Navigating Divorce & Co-Parenting feat. Kayla

Summary

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The Southern Tea: Navigating Divorce & Co-Parenting feat. Kayla

Host: Lindsie Chrisley
Guest: Kayla
Date: December 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this candid and heartfelt episode, Lindsie Chrisley welcomes her friend Kayla for a real, unfiltered discussion about divorce, co-parenting, and life’s complex transitions. The episode centers on their personal journeys—Kayla’s experience with a turbulent, abusive divorce and Lindsie’s with a more amicable (but still deeply painful) separation—offering insight, humor, and advice for anyone facing similar crossroads. The conversation weaves between practical preparations, emotional health, dating after divorce, single parenthood, internet scrutiny, and what it means to find “home” after everything changes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter, Jail Stories & Vulnerable Moments

Timestamps: 01:06–04:56

• Lindsie and Kayla set the tone with playful banter about Facebook Marketplace and the absurdity of what people try to sell.
• Kayla shares her mugshot story and brief jail stint (for assault and battery in a domestic dispute), leading to some very honest—and humorous—reflections on “what actually happens in jail,” like not getting to wear a bra.
  • Kayla (03:00): "Mine was horrible because I was extremely pissed at the time. So I literally look like an assassin…I’ve still posted it on the Internet…because I’m so proud of it."
• Both discuss irrational fears about getting arrested and how these moments shape self-perception.

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2. Deciding on Divorce: Emotional and Practical Realities

Timestamps: 05:57–11:43

• Lindsie introduces a listener question about deciding to divorce and “going back and forth” on the issue.
• Kayla explains the long emotional process of “checking out” before formally ending a marriage, a process common among women:
  • Kayla (06:25): “Women tend to check out far before men do…mentally, I got divorced about a year, maybe even two, earlier.”
  • Shared wisdom from Kayla’s Southern mom: “You’ll know when your belly’s full.”
• Lindsie echoes this progression, describing the difficulty in being “the filer” and the emotional responsibility that comes with it.
• Both stress the importance of preparation: securing funds, finding the right attorney, and the feelings of secrecy or guilt that accompany the planning process.

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3. Financial Independence & Abuse

Timestamps: 08:42–10:39

• Kayla and Lindsie dig into financial vulnerability in relationships and the nuances of financial abuse.
  • Kayla (09:03): “Financial abuse…is so sneaky. You don’t realize it’s happening until it’s too late.”
• Lindsie highlights the challenge for stay-at-home parents, emphasizing the critical need for personal financial security before leaving an unhealthy relationship.

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4. Comparing Divorce Experiences: Amicable vs. Abusive

Timestamps: 15:40–17:45

• The women draw sharp contrasts between their divorces: Lindsie’s being amicable but tough, Kayla’s being traumatic and hostile.
  • Kayla (16:03): “Mine was extremely abusive and toxic…I would have done anything to have a partner willing to have a conversation about it.”
• Both agree: No one marries expecting divorce, and regardless of the path, it’s one of life’s most difficult transitions.

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5. Allowing Yourself to Feel: Healing, Trauma, and Growth

Timestamps: 17:27–21:26

• Lindsie and Kayla advocate for moving slowly through the divorce process—feeling each phase rather than rushing to “just get it over with."
• Kayla reflects on how unaddressed trauma inevitably resurfaces:
  • Kayla (18:28): “All those things I chose not to deal with in the moment, I’m now dealing with eight years later.”
• The conversation expands to how trauma shapes post-divorce relationships, boundaries, and hypersensitivities in new partnerships.

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6. Dating After Divorce & Trauma Patterns

Timestamps: 21:33–23:01

• Both share their methods for self-reflection post-divorce: pro/con lists, deal-breakers, and therapist advice.
• Lindsie emphasizes that what she would accept then is not what she’ll accept now, demonstrating her own growth.

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7. Co-Parenting Dynamics: Philosophies, Guilt, and Growth

Timestamps: 23:15–28:47

• Lindsie answers the perennial fan question about whether she’d ever reconcile with her ex-husband, Will.
  • Lindsie (24:15): “We got divorced for a reason…those reasons would still exist.”
• The core difference in their co-parenting philosophies becomes apparent: Will is “rules with an iron fist”; Lindsie is a “gentle parent.”
• Both agree that it’s healthier for Jackson to witness two peaceful, separated homes than one in perpetual conflict.
  • Kayla (25:58): "It's much better to have the best of both parents and live without the worst of them."

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8. Social Media, Public Opinions, and Privacy

Timestamps: 34:11–35:27

• Lindsie and Kayla discuss the impact of parasocial relationships—the tendency of internet followers to project their own narratives onto public figures’ lives.
  • Kayla (34:53): “They’re only seeing a portion of the reality, and that’s okay. But it does make it complicated and it adds pressure.”
• Kayla notes her choice not to speak about her own divorce online to avoid this scrutiny.

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9. Parenting Differences & Co-Parenting Challenges

Timestamps: 35:27–39:17

• Lindsie shares a real-life example: negotiating with Will about taking Jackson on a special trip. She describes herself as the “yes parent” and Will as the “no parent.”
• Kayla, who has sole custody, reflects on how different her journey is and her anxieties around the idea of ever having to co-parent.

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10. Singlehood, Healing, and Revisiting Relationships

Timestamps: 42:01–54:44

• Lindsie discusses her recent breakup, the need to be single to heal, and the courage it took to let go—only to later reconnect with David when she was ready.
• She emphasizes that people’s perceptions (via the podcast or social media) often lag behind her real life and emotional journey.
  • Lindsie (49:04): “I did not have the capacity…to be emotionally and mentally available.”
• The women affirm the importance of setting boundaries, focusing on mental health, and giving one’s all in a relationship—or walking away.

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11. Personal Identity & The Last Name Debate

Timestamps: 55:37–62:38

• Lindsie addresses questions about changing her last name—publicly and privately—and the complicated emotions tied to "home" and family names.
• They share a strange situation where Lindsie was reported on TikTok for “impersonating herself,” illustrating the absurdity of public scrutiny.

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12. Light-hearted Closing: Living in the South, Drones, and Modern Life

Timestamps: 64:24–71:00

• The episode ends with some levity: coverage of a local news story about a drone delivering crab legs, steak, and drugs to a South Carolina prison (much laughter and disbelief).
• They segue into technology’s invasiveness—drones, robots, Google Maps—and reminisce about "simpler times."
• Lindsie shares a weekly devotional about trusting God’s plan, reinforcing the episode’s themes of faith and hope.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Kayla (06:25): “Women tend to check out far before men do...I got divorced…but mentally, I got divorced a year, maybe two, earlier.”
• Lindsie (07:14): “For the majority, women are far gone emotionally before they actually ever take the steps to file for divorce.”
• Kayla (09:03): “Financial abuse…is so sneaky. Right. You don’t realize it’s happening until it’s too late.”
• Kayla (18:28): “All those things I chose not to deal with in the moment, I’m now dealing with eight years later.”
• Lindsie (24:15): “We got divorced for a reason and those reasons would still exist. Right. We are very, very different people and choose to live very, very different lives.”
• Kayla (25:58): “It’s much better to have the best of both parents and live without the worst of them, which would be…no kid wants to watch their parents fight."
• Lindsie (49:04): “I did not have the capacity to be able to provide anything that would have been positive for that other person’s life…that’s the most unselfish thing you can do.”
• Lindsie (71:05): “God’s plan is always the best. Sometimes the process is painful and difficult. But don’t forget, when God is silent, he is doing something for you.”

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Deciding to Divorce & Emotional Preparation: 05:57–11:43
• Financial Abuse & Independence: 08:42–10:39
• Amicable vs Toxic Divorce: 15:40–17:45
• Self-reflection & Growth After Divorce: 17:27–21:26
• Co-parenting and Parenting Differences: 23:15–28:47, 35:27–39:17
• Public Life & Social Media Pressure: 34:11–35:27, 55:37–62:38
• Drama, Drones, and Southern Stories: 64:24–71:00
• Weekly Devotional: 71:00–71:48

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Tone & Takeaways

Woven through with Southern humor, blunt honesty, vulnerability, and practical advice, this episode is both a comfort and a guide for anyone navigating divorce, co-parenting, or messy life transitions. The voices of Lindsie and Kayla are supportive, relatable, and unafraid to spill the "whole tea" on what it really means to move forward—one day at a time.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

I'm just like, weird. Maybe I'm crunchy. This is the Southern Tea with Lindsey Chrisley. I think it's so funny when you get Christmas cards and all of these people write their children's accomplishments on the back. I don't love them. A Southern girl and a boy mom who's trying to navigate life while staying.

[C]

True to her roots.

[B]

I am a functioning, non functioning human being right now. Join Lindsay each week as she swears to spill the tea, the whole tea.

[C]

And nothing but the tea.

[B]

That is the tea.

[C]

Here's Lindsay.

[D]

Good morning and welcome back to another episode of the Southern Tea. It is so morning that I am laying in my bed and I have a friend named Kayla on the podcast with me today, and this girl is absolutely insane. I'm immediately going to call her out for some of the reels that I've recently seen her posting on Instagram.

[C]

I can't wait.

[D]

Hi, Kayla.

[C]

Hi, Lindsay.

[D]

Can you please tell me why you feel like it's a necessity of your weekly life to go and look like what's on Facebook Marketplace?

[C]

You know what? I think we all like to enjoy a nice Facebook marketplace after a long day. At least everyone around me does. So I was like, I had FOMO and I wanted to look. But the unfortunate part for me is that I live in a very remote part of Appalachia and our Facebook marketplace is completely diabolical. So once I saw that, I was like, oh, we're going to stay here and we're going to look at this every day because if I have to see it, you have to see it. You know what I mean?

[D]

Well, I'm just so taken aback by the things that people think are sellable items. That's number one. And number two, like my brain rot is or used to be looking at local mug shots.

[C]

Yeah, I did that until my mugshot appeared on that local mugshot page. And now I can't look at it anymore because every time I see somebody, I'm like, been there.

[D]

Wait. I always talk about, like, if I had to get a mug shot. Like, what would it look like? And I've practiced in the mirror before and I just know it wouldn't come out good.

[C]

No, mine was horrible because I was extremely pissed at the time. So I literally look like an assassin. I look like the I. My hair is like, imagine. Have you ever seen that? TikTok creator. Her name is Trailer Park Tammy. She always had greased back here. That's exactly what I look like. So stop. I've still posted it on the Internet before because I'm so proud of it. You know what I mean? It is what it is. It happened. But I can't anymore.

[D]

One of my most irrational fears is getting pulled over. And for whatever reason, like, I wouldn't even be doing anything illegal, but I'm like, this could end up in a mug shot. And I have eye gels on.

[C]

Honestly, they would make you take the eye gels off, you psycho.

[D]

I don't think they would.

[C]

You think they'll be like, oh, yeah, we're just gonna book you in with these. Peter Thomas Ross.

[D]

You know, it's like part of the.

[C]

Lore, you know, mine was, you know, there was a lot of surprises for me in jail, if I'm going to be honest with you. Backstory. I just went to jail for assault and battery. Not that that's not a huge deal. It is, but, like, it's not like I didn't kill anybody. You know what I'm saying?

[D]

Why do you say it so casually, like, I just went to jail for assault and battery?

[C]

You know, I think it was because in my mind, it was justified. I didn't do anything too terribly bad. I just did what I thought had to be done, you know what I'm saying? Like, it wasn't one. Nothing but a thing. You know what I'm saying? But there was a lot of surprises in jail. Like, obviously I knew it wasn't going to be a fun time, but what I did not know is that you don't get a bra.

[B]

Wait, what?

[D]

Yes, they take your bra.

[C]

They take your bra and what?

Because it has wires in it. So you could potentially hurt somebody, which I understand, but I also happen to have G sized boobs.

[D]

That's wild work.

[C]

Yeah. In itself. Completely wild in itself. But imagine. So imagine they're like, hey, here's your jail clothes, or whatever. And then I'm like, where's the bra? And they're like, you don't get one of those. I said, okay, cool. And then I had to go in court in front of everybody with no bra on, with G boobs down to my belly button.

[D]

Wait, were you wearing, like, a jail suit?

[C]

Literal stripes? No.

[D]

No.

[C]

Yeah. I've had. Definitely had better days. That was not the best day for me.

[D]

How long were you there?

[C]

I was only in there for two days, which doesn't sound like a long time, but when you're in jail, it feels like 15 years, so it was not great. I thought I was going to get bonded out. It was a domestic dispute, so, you.

[B]

Know, not a domestic dispute.

[C]

Y. It was a. Yeah, it was a. A baby daddy issue. You know what I'm saying? I feel like we have started this off on an insane note, if I'm going to be honest with you.

[D]

Honestly, it's insane. Assault and battery is absolutely insane. But while we're on the topic of just being insane, I had posted, like, a little questions box for this episode. And someone wants to know about getting through a divorce and going back and forth in your head if it's the right decision. And I felt like since you're divorced.

[B]

And you've been through it, you could.

[D]

Also give some perspective on that, too.

[C]

You know, I think someone told me a long time ago that women tend to. Tend to check out far before men do. And I never understood what people meant by that until I lived it. And, you know, I got divorced. But I'll be honest with you, mentally, I got divorced about a year, maybe even two earlier. So at the time, you know, and my mom, you know, she's pretty Southern, so. But you'll understand what I mean. She says you'll know when your belly's full.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Have always. I. I think about that every day with a lot of different things. You'll know when you've finally had enough.

[B]

You know, I relate to that so much. I definitely feel like for the majority.

[D]

That women are far gone emotionally before they actually ever take the steps to file for divorce. For me, I know that it was.

[B]

Really hard because neither one of us.

[D]

Wanted to be the filer.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And, like, that was an issue within our dynamic of whoever files it is who's responsible for it. Right. And I was already so mentally gone that there was no coming back from that at that point.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. And I think that that's pretty common. It definitely was for me. But I think people are always used to. You know, obviously my marriage was not super happy, and it was very obvious on a personal. Like, anybody who knew me knew that. And there was a lot of confusion or a lot of, like, talk from my family. And friends like, why don't you just leave? And I don't think that people truly understand how nuanced those situations can be and that sometimes it takes a lot. Like there's a lot of preparation that goes into leaving. And I think if I had any advice to offer anybody who is considering divorce, whether it's amicable or not, take the time to prepare, you know, because you never know if things are going to go good or if things are going to get nasty. And when they get nasty, you need to have things in place to protect yourself. Meaning you have your own money, you.

[D]

Know, and that's hard for a lot of people. A lot of people, you know, you've got moms that are stay at home moms and the dad is primary income or maybe only income. And so I know a lot of people have written to me over the years saying I, I literally can't get out.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. And I think it took me a long time to understand all the facets of what is and is not abuse. And financial abuse, in my opinion is so, it's like so sneaky. Right. You don't realize it's happening until it's too late. And I'm not saying that being a stay at home mom is financial abuse by any means, but I'm saying you'll find in those situations sometimes where men will, or the, you know, the primary partner will, the maker of the money towards the money. And if you don't have access to that money, if all hell breaks loose, what are. That is the scary. I think that's the most vulnerable situation you can be in.

[B]

You know, I mean, I just, I.

[D]

Can'T imagine being in that situation and feel for those who are in that situation. I think financial independence, whatever that looks like for you, is so important to have because you never want to be in a relational situation where you feel financially stuck and that's the only reason that you're staying. I won't lie.

[B]

Like, I was a little bit worried.

[D]

Just because when you do marry like you do marriage for such a long period of time and that's all, you know. And you know, he had all the bills set up on auto pay and.

[B]

You know, he's the one that was.

[D]

Dealing with the mortgage and all of our money was pretty much combined. But to your point, I do think like being prepared is so important. The first place I started was in it.

[B]

And this is, you know, if you.

[D]

Have children, involved family, finding a family attorney, that was a good fit for me and my personality.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

And so you know, I had preliminary.

[D]

Calls with multiple attorneys and you almost feel sneaky like when you're doing it. Because I would wait until I would go to the gym to do that.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Because I never wanted him to overhear. And like I feel bad about it now. Right. Like in hindsight I just wish that I would have gone to him and said, hey, like this is truly not working and I don't want to feel like I'm sneaking around behind your back doing something that feels very icky. But it also was like a self protection, if that makes sense.

[C]

Absolutely. I think it's just an extremely complex situation to begin with. Right. And I think making yourself, I, you know, if you look at it from another perspective, like imagine you did have those calls in front of him, how like that would have been uncomfortable, you know?

[D]

Well, and I think a lot of times when it's the woman going to the man requesting the divorce and you want your marriage dissolved, I think a lot of times and, and it was.

[B]

My experience and have heard other people have the same experience that men don't think that like cow horns will actually hook until you do it.

[D]

So a lot of mine was like him not believing that I was actually going to follow through with it.

[B]

And he's like, even if you are.

[D]

Doing whatever preparedness that you know you're doing behind my back, you're wasting your time because you're never going to do it.

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[C]

Interesting about you and I, Lindsay, is our divorces were astronomically different. Yes, I would call generally quite amicable in the grand scheme of things, like rough because divorce is rough. But like not. I mean if I could pick it, I would pick your situation sometimes, you know, mine was extremely abusive and toxic. And so it's interesting to hear like different people's perspectives. Right. Because like when I think of divorce. I think of, like, that was one of the worst times of my life. Right. And how I would have done anything to have a partner who would have just been willing to have a conversation about it.

[B]

You know, I think divorce at all.

[D]

Regardless of the circumstances that are surrounding the divorce, like, yours was abusive and toxic. Mine was not that, thank goodness. But it still was the hardest time of my life.

[B]

And if you get married with the.

[D]

Intention, I don't think most people get married with the intent of it getting.

[B]

To the point of getting a divorce.

[D]

Like, if that was the case, then.

[B]

We just wouldn't be getting married, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

But it felt like so much pressure because I can relate so much about the back and forth, and I did that for years. Like, reached out to a divorce attorney in 2016.

[C]

We.

[B]

What do you call that? Like, we.

[D]

Oh, we reconciled.

[B]

And then I reached out to the.

[D]

Same attorney that I found that I felt really comfortable with again in 2017 and started the process.

[B]

And I will say, like, taking things.

[D]

Day by day is the best thing that you can possibly do and let yourself feel.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

Because I think if you get too caught up in doing stuff too, too fast because you just want it to be done, your emotions are eventually going to catch up.

[C]

And I think that's true with a lot of things. A lot of. Like. And I think in our. In just. In life in general, we gloss over a lot of things that are traumatic. Lindsay, you and I have had those conversations before. Some things that, you know, life keeps moving. And unfortunately, even during the worst times of our lives, we still have to show up at work. We still have to get the kids to school. If you have children. We still have to care for our loved ones. You know, the list goes on and on. And for me personally, I did that a lot in my life. I choked a lot of things down because I just did not have time to deal with it. And what I'm finding now that I'm in a much more peaceful time of my life, all of a sudden, all of those things are making a comeback. All the things I chose not to deal with in the moment, I'm now dealing with eight years later. And I just think that's so interesting.

[B]

And, I mean, I feel like things.

[D]

Always will come up over time. I know that y' all didn't have a child together, but you were raising one jointly.

[B]

And so I feel like because you.

[D]

Still are raising that child that have, eventually things are going to come up, and it just is what it is. I don't think that you're ever truly healed from those parts of your life?

[C]

No. And, you know, I have moved on. I'm engaged to someone else now. And, you know, I have pretty much the perfect situation. Joel, my fiance, is absolutely amazing, but I tell Joel pretty often. Unfortunately, I feel like Joel gets the worst part of me. In my first marriage, I let a lot of things slide. I let. I wasn't really clear on my boundaries. I wasn't really clear on things that hurt me or may have hurt my feelings for fear of, you know, the emotional gaslighting and things like that. And now with Joel, even though Joel is, like, pretty much a perfect human being, I'm, like, so hyper aware of, like, you know, for example, my ex husband was extremely abusive and probably called me every name in the book during the duration of our marriage. If Joel hypothetically even looked at me and was like, okay, idiot, I would have been. I would literally freak out. You know what I mean? It's weird how those experiences transcend into just different behavioral patterns the older you.

[B]

Get, you know, 1,000%. Like, things that I would have accepted.

[D]

In my marriage, I am so hypersensitive to those things now. And I have to check myself a lot of times because I'm like, okay, well, this person is, like, just getting to know these parts of me, and so I have to be careful about not trauma dumping from something else onto that person that doesn't deserve it.

[C]

I also think for me, it was hard, and I'm sure some people can relate to this because my marriage was such a traumatic situation. It is a part of who I am, and it's the reason for the. For why I do a lot of things I do in my life. So when I met Joel and we started dating, I was really trying to explain why I am the way I am, but also trying not to trauma dump, you know what I'm saying? So how do you explain, you know, why you're, you know, sensitive to certain things or why you do you move the way you move when the reason you moved was traumatic, you know, so.

[B]

True for everyone just in life in general. Like, we are all essentially a product.

[D]

Of what we've been through, right?

[C]

Totally.

[B]

And so when I started dating post divorce, it's like, in my mind, I.

[D]

Had sat with myself for, like, eight months and truly just, like, focused on myself, found shows that I wanted to.

[B]

Watch, like learning to go to dinner.

[D]

With girlfriends, which is not something that I did whenever I was married. And yeah, having Jackson 50 of the time, it's like, all an adjustment. But I was making these lists, like my therapist kept telling me, make pro con list. And like, deal breaker list. And at the point that you see the things that are on your deal breaker list, if you aren't going to have a conversation about them, then that relationship is not for you.

[C]

I am the queen of a pro and con list. I feel like I have been doing that with every boyfriend I've ever had. And the cons were always so much longer than the pros.

[D]

Right.

[C]

And I remember just like at the time, like, if I looked at those pros and cons lists now, I would be like, oh, girl, absolutely not. But back then, it's crazy. When I was younger, I'll be 30 in July. It's crazy what the things that I would justify and the behaviors I would justify. Just, I think I. I try to. I think it was because I was younger and just maybe more naive or maybe I just didn't have the level of self respect that I have now. I really, truly, you know.

[D]

Yeah, no, I get it. Actually, just piggybacking off of this question, someone, actually, lots of people, but I'm just going to read one of them said, would you ever get back together with Jackson's dad if everything fell into place?

[B]

And, you know, over the years since.

[D]

We'Ve been divorced, I feel like we've both kind of like gone back and forth at different times on the stuff, but ultimately it always ends up in the same place, that we got divorced for a reason and those reasons would still exist. Right. We are very, very different people and choose to live very, very different lives. The way he goes about things is very different than the way I go about things. I mean, all the way down to our parenting, which was a huge issue, you know, in our marriage. He's very much like by the book, Rules with an iron fist. What he says goes. You will do what he says when he says it, and there will not be a conversation. And my parenting, what would you say? I'm very much like a gentle parent.

[C]

Yeah. I would say that you lead, you lead with your heart in a lot of things that you do, but most importantly, your parenting.

[D]

Yeah. And so that was a very high conflict situation in our marriage. And although I absolutely hate the idea that Jackson's growing up in two homes and splits time, like, it's gut wrenching, but at the same time, he gets the best of me when he's with me and he gets the best of his dad when he's with him. And he's no Longer seeing the conflict that we were having in parenting and, and stuff like that. I could never imagine getting back with Will ever.

[C]

And I think, like, what you did and the decisions that you and Will made were so healthy, in my opinion, because I see a lot of people, both in my personal life and my professional life, who stay with their partners because, like, for the kids.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't think people truly understand the damage that that does. And if I can speak, you know, I can speak on behalf of my own experiences, it's much better to have the best of both parents and live without the worst of them, which would be like, what? No one, no kid wants to watch their parents fight or there'd be tension in the house, you know what I'm saying? My parents got divorced when I was like 14 or 15. And I remember feeling, the first feeling I had about it was relief. Now, my parents didn't have any knockdown, drag out arguments, but there was a tension in our home when I was a child. And it was palpable. Even as a child, you know, you.

[B]

Can just feel it. And that was my biggest concern. You know, we did wait until Jackson was eight years old before, you know, finally decisions were made that we needed to go our separate ways amicably.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And a lot of that was me being controlling, truly. Like, I couldn't fathom not having him every single day. And not that because he was 8 made it any better. It just felt like, okay, at 8 years old, he can somewhat advocate for himself and he doesn't need me to do that advocating for him all the time.

[C]

And when I was talking earlier about our situation being very different, something that you experienced that I did not was the 5050 custody. For reference. Vinnie is Vinnie's biological father. Lost. That's Vinnie's my son. And his biological father lost parental rights to Benny. So it has always been just me. So when I divorced my husband, who was not Benny's father, I walked away with Vinnie 100. And I think it would have been so, so much harder for me.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

Knowing because I love my kid so much and the thought of, you know, not being able to have access to him 100% of the time or every holiday is not 100% mine. Like that is really hard. And watching you do that with Jackson, you do it with such grace and that's amazing, but I'm sure it's extremely hard.

[B]

Well, I did.

Have a lot of messages coming in to me within the past week of people being like, oh, well, I thought since you went through your latest breakup that you and Will, like, if the stars aligned and like, the timing was right, that y' all would eventually end up back together.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And I just want it to be very clear that there are zero intentions of us getting back together ever on either side. Like, I love him as a human being and he is family to me.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

But I can have those feelings and also know that it is not in my best interest or his best interest or frankly, my son's best interest for me to ever do that. And it was something like, really, really hard for me to cope with that. One of our biggest conflicts in our marriage was our parenting.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And you know, you play the game.

[D]

Of, well, if we never had a.

[B]

Kid together, like, would we have stayed together? And, you know, if we could just.

[D]

Have reasonable conversations about this parenting stuff.

[B]

Like, would it be better? But ultimately the, the parenting situation stems from we are just two totally, very.

[D]

Very different people wired completely differently.

[B]

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[C]

And I think while I see why the public would want to see you and Will together, I think it brings up another topic. It is has become so few and far between these days to see two co parents who act who are friendly. Not just friendly but family. And I think sometimes you, I mean I just, I think it's fair to say you can be friendly and be family with your co parent and there is no pressure to get back with them. Right? And you have, you guys have both done the work and I think when it comes to the parenting issue, maybe if you all had not had a child those specific issues may not have came up but they would have presented themselves differently in a different way but with the same level of issue later down the road, you know.

[B]

Well, I mean it's just like yesterday for example I went to pilates in the afternoon and went over to Taco Mac and you know I saw one of Jackson's teachers and you know we.

[D]

Just chit chat for a little while.

[B]

And I was waiting on somebody to get there to meet me. And so she and I were talking, and she said, it's so crazy, you know, to see that y' all split the custody in the way that you do. And just how Jackson presents himself, even at school, like, between the two homes.

[C]

You can tell that he feels the stability between the two of you. Yes, you can tell. And I don't mean this in a negative way at all. I think we all can. Not a lot of us say it out loud, but I. You know, Vinnie, my son, will be nine in February, so, you know, he has lots of little friends. And I can definitely tell which one of those friends does not feel stable at home because it presents in different ways. And that makes. That's hard. It's. You know, I think it's hard on the parents, obviously, because they're the ones in that high conflict situation. But that stuff rewrites the way that kids see the world and love and all of those things. And if I. Yeah, if I can offer anyone any advice, it's just to keep that in mind.

[B]

It's just so hard in a situation. And, I mean, you can relate to this because you also have social media following that. You know, people have so many opinions about things. And I. I do think Kristen and I talked about parasocial relationships. Yes.

[D]

A minute ago.

[B]

And I do think that people get invested in other people's lives, that it kind of becomes a part of their life in a parasocial way.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And so I think sometimes people see things for the way that. That they want to see them and not for what they actually are. But at the same time, I can't be upset by it because there's only certain things that they're seeing. Does that make sense?

[C]

Absolutely. Yeah. They're only seeing a portion of the reality, and that's okay. But it does make it complicated and it adds pressure. Right. I was always. I never spoke about my divorce.

Online because I was afraid of that very thing. You didn't necessarily have a choice. It was just out there.

But that's why I made that choice, because I've watched enough people who have followings, and it's a tough thing to go. To go through. You know, it is such a tough thing.

[B]

And just to talk about some of the differences, like in our parenting. Last night, I was just sitting at Taco Mac, and Jackson calls, and he's.

[D]

Like, hey, Mom, Clemson's going to the.

[B]

Pinstripe bowl in New York. And haven't you always Said that you wanted to take me to New York. And I said, yeah, buddy. Since the movie Pets came out, you were so obsessed.

[D]

I do want to take you to New York.

[B]

And Will was in the background, and he was like, no, that would be so expensive for you to be able to take him to do that. And this is coming right off of Disney. And I said, yeah, but his birthday is also right after Christmas, so instead of doing, like, a physical gift, I could take him to New York, mark that off the bucket list, and then.

[D]

Also go to the game.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And Will immediately was just like, no, that's not happening. And since you're taking him on some of my days to go to Disney, I'm gonna exercise those days for him to spend with me and my dad. And so I'm just like, as a parent, I'm always probably going to be the yes parent. And I've. I've just accepted that to some degree. Yeah, Will's always going to be the majority no parent. And it's okay. It's just. It's so hard when you have a child, you're divorced. They have dreams, they have bucket lists, they have things that they want to do. Stuff is, you know, like, the game, I think, is on the 27th. So it's not like if we went to New York again, then he would have the opportunity to go to the Clemson game.

[D]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

So, yeah, it's just hard.

[D]

And then I look back on it.

[B]

And I'm like, well, would I have been able to do that if we were still married? And I think the answer to that is also no.

[C]

Agreed. Agreed. And I think I. Again, that's a part of this whole scenario that I haven't had to deal with and talk about differences in parenting because I haven't had to co parent with anyone. And I have been able to make the decision decisions, which is such a privilege in a lot of ways. In a lot of ways it's hard. But most of the time, you know, it's. That's all I know. So I'm getting married, and obviously, you know, Joel and I are still young, and so the conversation about children comes up because Joel doesn't have any children. And, you know, we're both kind of in this situation where, like, if, you know, maybe, maybe not. Either way, it doesn't really matter. We're just grateful for Vinnie, and that is what it is. One of my fears about having a child, like, with someone who is, like, super involved, and that's exactly how Joel would be. I don't know if I would know what to do. And I think co parenting is so much harder than you ever realize until you have to do it yourself.

[B]

You know, I think the hardest thing that any person will ever do, whether you've been married or had a child, you know, within a relationship, outside of a marriage, whatever that dynamic looks like, sharing a child or children is truly the hardest thing that you will ever do in life.

[C]

Yeah, I think it's like. Because I think the most intimate parts of who you are come out right for your children because there's no love like the love you have for your kids. And, you know, there's never been anybody in my personal situation that's been able to tell me no when it comes to wanting to do something with Vinny or take Vinny to do something. So the thought of having a child and having to. And this is. It seems stupid when I say it out loud, but it is a real fear of mine, like, would I be able to function?

[D]

Well, it would be harder for you.

[B]

Now if you had a child with someone with the fears that we all, you know, go into either, you know, next relationships after marriage or second marriages. When you're bringing a child into that and in your situation, you have had every ounce of control and then to do it with someone that even though you're married and hopefully everything's good and great, there is going to be conflict at some point whenever you're raising a child. And so I just think that will be a very interesting dynamic and just shift in your life if that's what.

[D]

You choose to do.

[C]

I think, you know, some. I had Vinnie when I was a teenager. So.

To me, I also wonder what parenting would be like at my age now.

And also, like, do I want to start all of that over again? Because right now as it sits, I will be in my 30s when Vinnie graduates high school. And, you know, do I want to start that clock all the way over again? We've talked about this before. That's a big decision. And I think sometimes people just. It's easy to just have kids, you know what I'm saying? And I'm trying to be really intentional about, you know, is this something that I really want? Because I do think if people took a little bit more time to think about it. Alessandra said this to me one time, and I'll never forget it. She said the majority of the time, not majority of time, but a good portion of the time, people have children for semi selfish reasons. And that was one of those moments in my life where I was like, damn.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I think it's a very natural thing to get into a next relationship after divorce, be married to somebody else, and to want to procreate with that person. Like, you want something that is part.

[D]

Of both of you.

[B]

And I do think, you know, a lot of people look at that as, like, a connection piece within a relationship, that you have a child or children that.

[D]

That are a little bit of both of you.

[C]

Yeah. And I think my situation is complex because of my adoption. I. I didn't grow up with people who were genetically.

Like, kin to me. So, like, that means something completely different to me, you know? Yeah. Vinnie was the first person I ever saw that was biologically related to me, and that was such a wild experience, you know?

[B]

That's so crazy. The next person wants to know about my relationship status because I have been talking about being single and, you know, just doing the single things. And for me, the single things that I've been doing has been somewhat a healing process. It's not, you know, going out on the town and dating and doing all.

[D]

Of that kind of stuff.

[B]

It's literally been reading and going to bed early and taking an extra Pilates class and solely focusing on Jackson and focusing on my work and that kind of stuff. And I think relationships are just, in general, hard. And I think when you have been through a divorce and you are raising a child and you're with somebody who's been through a divorce and is raising.

[D]

A child, that just makes that situation.

[B]

So much more complex. And I feel like at the time that David and I broke up, yeah, that was a really, really hard time for me in my life. I could not.

[C]

Oh, absolutely.

[B]

I could not function. I was functioning, but I wasn't at the same time.

[D]

Does that make sense?

[C]

100%. You were. You were entering a different chapter of your life. You were prepping for us a series of episodes regarding things that happen with your family, which has its own set of emotional feelings. Right. And I just think that was where you were at at the time. And you're a lot like me. I think when things get hairy, you're like, you. You lock yourself in.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

You know, when things get a little squirrely, you're like, okay, so you're not gonna see me or talk to me for a few days, like, you know what I mean? And I think that was a lot of it for you.

[B]

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[B]

And, I mean, I very much needed the time to be able to process some of the things that I was processing that I had, like, pushed down so deeply in my soul for so long.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That it was.

[D]

I know it wouldn't have been impossible.

[B]

But it felt impossible for me to be able to navigate both of those things. Like being fair in a relationship and being emotionally and mental and, like, mentally available.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Like, knowing that I wasn't who I needed to be to be able to show up, to be that person.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So the best thing I thought of doing was, you know, what's the saying? Set it free and if it comes back, then it was meant to be.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. You know, if you love something, let it go and see what happens.

[B]

And, I mean, I. I did let it go. And I think that people who listen to the podcast, whether you're listening to this podcast or you're listening to coffee combos or you're following me on socials.

[D]

A lot of times I think that.

[B]

People think that they're getting stuff in such real time.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And it's like, no, there has already been, like, a mental and emotional process that I've gone through before I ever say anything about anything.

[C]

So.

[B]

David and I were broke up. What?

[D]

Kayla? How long?

[C]

A while.

[D]

Three or four months, I would say.

[C]

Four months?

[B]

Yeah. We were broke up for a good period of time, and there was no.

[D]

Communication.

[B]

Through that breakup whatsoever. I needed to take that time to focus on myself mentally and to focus on myself emotionally. And I. I will still stand by the. The statement of needing to be single, because I did need to be single at that time.

[D]

I did not have the capacity to.

[B]

Be able to provide anything that would have been positive for that other person's life. And I feel like that's, like, the most unselfish thing that you can do.

[D]

Right.

[B]

When you're in a situation like that, walk away from it, because you are not going to provide that person what.

[D]

They need and what you feel like they deserve.

[C]

Absolutely. And I think it just goes back to, you know, our culture really pushes us to keep going and keep going and keep going, and it's okay to take a step back. And I think in my brain, that's what you did. You Just took a step back because there was a lot going on emotionally for you. And you were. You know, when you're in relationships, from what I've seen and observed, you are all in. And if you can't show up in that way, to you, it felt like it was better. You weren't there at all. And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, we. You learned a lesson here.

[B]

I did. And I mean, the whole. The whole point of saying single is because I had no desire to be with anyone. Like, I. Just because David and I broke up doesn't mean that I was going to be with someone else. I didn't need to be with someone else if I didn't need to be with him, who is someone that I love and I adore. And we have such a good time together. And the love is like a love that I have never felt before.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

I needed to just set it free and see if it came back. And it. It did come back. And we are trying to privately navigate that. But when you've got, you know, people all over the Internet saying, you know, I thought you were single, and I thought you were this or that, like, okay, yes, but I'm also allowed to change my mind, and I'm also allowed to heal, and I'm also allowed to be in a better place. And, like, I don't want to be a person who just is out here, you know, breadcrumbing something and then not addressing it. Like, yeah, yes, I didn't need to be single.

[C]

Like, I think you did what you had to do for yourself to get through the time that you were in. I think it took a lot out of you, too, emotionally, mentally, even. I would go as far to say physically to put on the project that you did this year. And I think, you know, also, I think you've been through a lot in the past decade, and I think you were finally at a place where you're like, okay, let me take a step back. Let me actually feel all these things. Because those four months, you were not out on the town, you were really going through it. You know what I mean, girl?

[B]

I was going through it. I was picking up food on the way home after doing a Pilates class, coming home, taking a bath, getting in my bed, reading my Kindle. I've watched more shows within the last four and a half months than I think I have in four and a half years.

Like, I needed to take. Take the time to just focus on myself. And it's also, like, an embarrassing thing for me, being In a relationship with someone that you do love so much, and they're navigating things in their personal life as well, and then you're navigating all of these heavy things, and it's. It's embarrassing. So it's just easier to be like, I don't want that person to see me like this. Although I do know now on the other side of it, I'm like, you know what? Isn't that, like, what a relationship is? Shouldn't they have been able to see me in that state? I just was not ready for that.

[C]

Absolutely. And I think that you can never, you know, like, none of us have the keys to everything. None of us know the answers. We're just doing the best we can. And you were doing the best that you could, and you learned. I think you've learned a lot about yourself through this process. And what more could you ask for as far as an ending to all of this for you? My hope for you is that you go into 2026, and I know you will, with a clearer mind and a better sense of, like, a mental and emotional stability. And I see that happening, and that is exciting for you.

[B]

And, I mean, when David and I did reconnect, I have told lots of people that are around me, like, hey, nothing's wrong if you call and I don't answer. Right. Like, yeah, I am taking the time right now focusing on my personal life, focusing on the individual time that I have with Jackson that I absolutely cherish, focusing on my parenting, focusing on my healing, because I don't think none of us are ever fully healed. People.

Taking the time to be able to do that and not be a slave to my phone and a slave to conversations and things that maybe aren't serving me the best at the current time. And part of my commitment to David, if we were going to try again, because this is what. This second time that we've tried.

[C]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So.

It. My commitment to him was, I'm. I'm gonna give you everything that I've got, because I am definitely a type of person that I put all of it that I have in it, or.

[D]

I don't want it at all.

[C]

Exactly. And I think that that's one of the things that caused this entire thing to happen. Right. Because you did not want to show up any less of. Of who you are. And if you couldn't show up as 100 yourself, you were out. You know what I mean? And that is what it is. But I don't. I don't blame you for it.

[B]

People listening to the podcast and following on social media. Like, I do feel like I am in a better place to be honest and forthcoming about the things that I'm going through. But, like, what people aren't saying is the last four months of my life of me bedrotting and crying myself to sleep, like, those are all very real and serious emotions and I needed to be able to take that seriously. I know that there was a lot.

[D]

Of questions about me changing my last.

[B]

Name back on Instagram. And to just be quite frank, I probably would have never changed my last name back from, you know, putting his last name on my Instagram had it not been for statements that were, you know, being said all across social media. Oh, well, drop the last name. Like, using it for clout or whatever. Like, there has been serious implications.

[C]

That's timing, to be honest with you. It like. And that's really what it was, just horrendous timing.

[B]

It was horrendous timing. And yes, I did change my last name back and I stand by what I said. The last name feels like, like home to me more than any last name has ever felt like home to me. And so I feel confident in that decision. And I want to protect and cherish and spend intentional time with my relationship and in my home with my child. And I will not apologize for that.

[C]

And you shouldn't have to. I mean, it's. It goes back to the parasocial relationships thing. I think there's a difference. And in my opinion and in my experience, there's a difference between people who support you and people who are just watching. Right?

[B]

And I mean, that's just part of it. Like, that's just part of being on the Internet, right?

[C]

Like 100 comes with it.

[B]

You know, it's like the territory. And to some degree, you and I.

[D]

Have had this conversation before.

[B]

Like, to some degree, do we sign up for it and choose to be tortured?

[C]

Yes. Yes.

[B]

But in some degree it's like, okay, can you like, lay off just a little bit?

[C]

Like, yes, we sign up for it. And it's just hard sometimes because I'm like, I am a real person. Like, you know what I mean? And I think me personally, for before I had a following or did anything social media related or was in the public eye at all. Not nearly to the degree that you are. So I can't imagine. But I used to consume a lot of content from other creators and I would see them as almost characters instead of. Because of just the way that. The way that we're viewing them as position. I saw them as part of like characters in some sort of a reality series that I'm, you know, you're watching. That's the way your brain. You don't. It's different when you're. Someone's in front of you. When you're watching someone navigate these complex issues, there's just more natural emotion tied to that. So I think a lot of people tend to fall into that where it's like, what's good? What's, you know, what's next, what's going to happen next instead of, you know, know. But yeah, to your point, we did sign up for this. So it is what it is. At the end of the day, it is what it is.

[B]

Well, someone asked me, are you going by Lindsay Lansman and why not go by Campbell? And it's like I gave that man his last name back whenever I divorced him. While I can use that last name in certain settings when it comes to Jackson and I do.

That doesn't feel natural for me to do that. And I don't think that that is in my best interest. Like, I gave it back at one time, my last name of Chrisley is my government given last name. And so I think when I was working on that project and you know, there's opinions flying everywhere about everything, part of it too was a little bit of a, a power move to be like, no, this belongs to me. This episode is brought to you by.

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[C]

Yeah, and it does the same as it belongs to the rest of that clan. You know what I mean? Like, you. That is your name. Despite what people want to, that is your name. Whether you feel at home with that name is a different story. And from our conversations before, like, I do think this is a journey for you. You don't feel at home with your government name or your. Your given name. You don't necessarily feel at home with the Campbell last name for obvious reasons. And you're searching for, like, somewhere that feels like home. And that is something that we're all doing in different ways in our life. We're all searching for a sense of stability, security, etc, and we find those things in different ways depending on what our lives look like. Your life is incredibly public. And so the last name is. It means something different, if that makes sense. And I can see that, and I can see why you feel that way.

[B]

And I mean, it. It even made me more upset with the last name situation when I go to Kayla this week and I'm like, hey, you know a lot about Tick Tock. Like, I'm just like a noob on Tick Tock, you know what I mean? Like, I don't really know what's going on. I'm just an innocent bystander there. I'm consuming this stuff. But I don't really know that much about Tick Tock. And I'm like, like, why is something going on with my freaking TikTok?

[D]

It's saying it's like, not a recommended account.

[C]

Yeah. And like, as soon as she said that, I was like, oh, I know exactly what the problem is. And I believe. I mean, I know. I don't believe. I know that basically TikTok has decided that you are impersonating Lindsay Chrisley, which is crazy.

So that means that you had to have been reported as a fraud at some point, which you can imagine. That's uncomfortable. That's weird, right? Like, how can you impersonate yourself? So we're working on, oh, I'm gonna help you get that fixed. But it's so weird.

[B]

And it's really weird to me that, you know, we uncovered that it was a verified account that had reported my account.

[C]

Yeah. And that, to me, is concerning. And there's obviously a lot of inference here, but I can imagine where that came from just because. Based on the timing. And again, it's. It's another that. That goes right into this conversation. It's about feeling at home that you carry.

[B]

Yeah, that was some worship music that just decided to play on.

[D]

Honestly.

I'm like, what. What is exactly happening?

[B]

But, yeah, you know, I am just navigating everything day by day. I have made commitments to people and myself on how I want to move forward in my life, and I think I am in a lot better place than I was four months ago.

[C]

Switching gears really quickly, there's a story that I wanted to tell you about only because we are both South Carolina girls to some degree. I live in North Carolina, but I spend a majority of my time in South Carolina there. I saw a story on the news today in Bishopville, South Carolina. Okay. And it was talking about. A drone delivered crab legs, steaks, and drugs inside of a Piggly Wiggly bag to a prison in South Carolina.

[B]

Wait, what?

[C]

Yeah. I am so blown away by this. It says that a drone, it delivered a black netted bag to the.

Grounds of a correctional facility in Bishopville, South Carolina. The bag contained crab legs, steak, two large bags of marijuana packaged meat, and it was raw, and it was all inside of a Piggly Wiggly shopping bag. And the drone dropped it.

[B]

I. I would like to say that I'm shocked by this.

[C]

I'm not.

[B]

Not at all. But based off of what I know.

[C]

About prison and about South Carolina and.

[B]

About the state of South Carolina, nothing about this shocks me.

[C]

No. But I'm like, who concocted that plan? Who was like, oh, let's do it with a drone, and we'll wrap it in the Piggly Wiggly bag.

[B]

Like, it's literally somebody on the outside's friend who was like, this is how I can get it to you?

[C]

Yes. And I'm like, what in. First of all, where did y' all get the drone from? Second of all, why do you think this would happen or work at all? And third of all, what are you gonna do with raw crab legs and raw steak in prison?

[B]

I mean, this is, like, indicating that whoever requested these things have a friend inmate that works in the kitchen. Because, like, yeah, for sure. You know, that's the only way that this is. This is making sense to me.

[C]

It was just the Most bizarre thing. And there was just a lot of thought and no thought at all. You know, like the drone seems like a really well thought out thing, but then dropping it on prison grounds as if no one's going to see that is just wild to me.

[B]

I mean, speaking of drones.

[C]

So I'm scared.

[B]

Number one, drones freak me out. Just like in general, I feel like they are so invasive. And the fact that there is technology that people can just get this device and then have it hover over your home and it has ability to like video and take photos.

[C]

Some of them have infrared so they can see where you are in your house. Like that scares me.

[B]

Like that's absolutely terrifying. But what, what's so crazy is earlier this episode we were talking about like mind numbing things.

I love to look at addresses on Google Maps and see like what photos have been taken from like street view and shit.

[C]

Me too.

[B]

You do?

[C]

Some of them are diabolical.

[B]

Why, why do we feel like that that's appropriate or usable on the Internet? Like, like it will be of people.

[C]

Yes. Like just sitting out in their lawn chairs per se, or like doing some gardening or doing really insane things because they know the Google car is driving by so they like do something crazy. There's like a whole Reddit thread where you can go and find like the most insane things that people like. Yes. And I do it all the time because I just think it's so interesting. My dad's like a private investigator, so sometimes to like during like pre surveillance stuff obviously like he'll just take a quick glance at the Google Earth and he's like sent me some things over time that I'm like, that's crazy. Like what are you doing out in your yard? Like just the weirdest things. But I do think drones freak me out for a lot of reasons also because like you said you can fly them and I'm sure that I think there are regulations on them.

[B]

But like to me who's regulating it, that's my biggest thing.

[C]

I think it's the same governmental agency that regulates airplanes, like flying and stuff. You have to register them if they have the ability to go so high, like their certain height. And I do not know it off the top of my head, but I do know you have to register them them if you're flying them. And I. That just freaks me out. The whole thing freaks me out because it just feels like such an invasion. And I have it again. I live really remotely in Appalachia. I have a neighbor. When I say neighbor, I Mean, like, across the mountain. But he shot down a drone one time.

[B]

I was about to say, I'm telling you right now, not that I have a firearm, but if I did and I saw a drone hovering over my house, you better bet I'm shooting it.

[C]

It. Yeah, I'm taking it down. Also, people who are receiving their Amazon packages via drone or via drone, however you say that. What I've seen, like, in, like, Los Angeles, I believe I've seen video of people receiving their Amazon packages via a drone in their back. And it just drops the package in the backyard. No, ma', am. I'm okay. I'll go pick it up.

[B]

We've just taken things too far at this point. Too far, babe, that we really need to, like, take it down a notch, get back to the 90s and, like, operate with that mindset. Because, I mean, have you ever seen, like, the little, like, chick Fil. A robot thing, like, driving around the roads?

[C]

Okay, first of all, I live in the middle of nowhere, so if you think there's a chick Fil a robot out here, you're wrong. But thank God I have, like, the Internet, and I have seen it on the Internet, and I do not know what I would do if I saw one of those.

[B]

It's just.

[D]

It's really wild.

[B]

I actually have to get dressed for Pilates, but I wanted to share something for weekly devotional this week with you guys. It says, God's plan is always the best. Sometimes the process is painful and difficult. But don't forget, when God is silent, he is doing something for you.

I could not agree with that more.

[C]

Amen.

[B]

When I tell you I just sat and bawled my eyes out.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm like, thank you, God. Like, I prayed so hard for just whatever was meant to be and supposed to be for my life, that, you know, God would provide that. And I feel like I've somewhat arrived. I've got a long way to go, but I've somewhat arrived and feel good about it. I really do appreciate you taking the time to share some of your story with me on here. And for everybody who is listening, David is also joining me for Pilates this evening.

[C]

Well, I hope the two of you. I wish I could be a fly on the wall for that endeavor, but I hope the two of you have fun. You will never find me in a Pilates class a day in my life, but I love that for you, babe.

[B]

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[D]

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[B]

I hope that you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon.

[C]

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