B (2:46)

Like, good morning, everybody.

A (2:48)

So, needless to say, I'm excited to go to Delaware, but also more excited to go to Delaware now so I can get away from whatever this shit is going on.

B (2:56)

And then you didn't mention that having no Internet, like, fucked up your whole week, too, on Monday. Was that on Monday or Tuesday? Monday. I don't remember.

A (3:06)

Well, it started the initial thing, went out on Sunday, and then it came back for a little while, and then on Monday, it was just done. And I just need to know other people who are listening to this that, like, work from home. What do you tell your boss when you just, like, don't have Internet? Like, do you take pto? Like, what do you do?

B (3:26)

I put on a hotspot on my phone and see how long, like, that lasts for. Or I go to a coffee shop. But in this scenario, when we're recording something, we're, like, fucked.

A (3:36)

So I'm like, I don't think the hotspot has enough speed to, like, do what we need it to do for this. Mm. Also, anybody who listens to coffee combos will hear an episode with Kale where I said, I am bringing a travel buddy with me to Delaware. Madison knows that executive decisions were made yesterday that that is not transpiring. And I. I just want to be really clear for everybody who listens and regularly listens, that there is an episode coming up that is going to be filmed and recorded while we're in Delaware regarding the situation that has transpired with David. But that's. That's not, like, the entirety of that project or those episodes. There's going to be two parts of that, and it's really gonna. I feel like the best place to start is from initially when we met.

B (4:33)

I agree.

A (4:35)

Because there has been so much that has gone on from that time to now that the, you know, cheating gate that transpired is, like, such a small portion of that. Right?

B (4:50)

Yeah, I agree. So many people think that you're gatekeeping information and by, like, not telling it right away. And I think instead of being like, lindsay's lying, Lindsay's lying. I'm like, Lindsay's processing, like, Lindsay's processing how she's going to deal with herself, and then we will address it publicly. I think so many people have issues when you're not getting into all the details, and I'm like, well, there's a time and a place to unpack those things and doing it in the correct way. And people.

A (5:21)

I think people also don't understand that there's a lot that goes on, like, behind the scenes of stuff. Like, outside of the healing, outside of the processing, outside of the relationship, outside of our kids, there is a creative aspect of that, to make sure that everything is properly covered so that nothing is missed. Because then I record that, somebody's gonna say, oh, well, she missed. You know, October, November, December. Like, I have to process all of that while that's also creatively being done so that I don't miss the mark on anything. And I also want to be completely transparent. This episode was actually supposed to be recorded with David. When Kayl and I went to Dallas and I got there and Madison can speak on this all the way up until the very last second, I said, it doesn't feel right.

B (6:16)

Yeah. And that's completely okay. And I'm happy you went with your. Your gut always, like, you have to trust your gut. So, guys, stay tuned. Conversation is coming.

A (6:27)

So there's just so much to say. But I also think that it's better to say it in a state when you're no longer angry. There's not, like, extreme emotions that are going on. And when I was in Dallas, I feel like I was still in that fight or flight of. I'm not ready to let this go, but I need to. And I want to be honest, and I want it to already be out there. But then the other side of my brain is like, I'm processing. I need to heal. I don't need to publicly talk about this right now. I was somewhat encouraged by another influence to not do it immediately. I still don't regret my decision not doing it in Dallas, but I think that it would have maybe prevented any type of prolonging had I already done it. Does that make sense?

B (7:16)

Yeah. Yeah. Because remember what you said to me on the phone the other day? Once that's up, we're, you know, throwing it in the trash and lighting the fire, so.

A (7:26)

Lighting that fire, baby girl. What is this that you want to discuss with me regarding a pregnancy test? Yeah.

B (7:36)

So I don't know if you talked about this. Did you talk about this on coffee combos or. No.

A (7:42)

Kale was just like, how do you. Just. Let me tell you how this all transpired. So I had sent Madison photos of, like, the last, what, couple months?

B (7:56)

Yeah.

A (7:57)

And I said, hey, like, these are the things that I want to post. So I knew what was in it? Yeah, but I forgot what time you were posting it. So Kale's like, you can't just post something like that and then literally ghost. Like, you weren't texting, you weren't calling, you weren't active on Instagram. Like, literally, you just posted that and exited stage left.

B (8:22)

Correct.

A (8:23)

I was shopping in Target for Easter when you did that, and my phone started blowing up, and I was like, what. What is happening? What is going on? Is there an emergency? And it was a lot of, like, my personal friends being like, okay, yeah, life really just got unhinged. But the whole thing with the pregnancy test was that it had been said. And. And we'll get into this. Into the episode that's going to air later. It had been said that I was somebody's baby mama that I am not.

B (9:00)

Oh.

A (9:01)

And so in my mind, in a state of fight or flight, it's like, okay, I'm traumatized by what I just heard, because why would somebody just, like, bleed, blatantly lie about that? Right? But then the second part of it was, how could you do something like what you did to me, lie about something like that? And then I'm just supposed to sit back and not defend myself? Like, was the intent for the Internet to find out all of this stuff? And now I have this pregnancy rumor. Like, was that the intent? And so I'm like, okay, well, I'll just go get a clear blue, like the ones that say, like, the digital, you know, not pregnant.

B (9:46)

Yeah.

A (9:47)

Because this is what I'm not about to do.

B (9:49)

Yeah.

A (9:50)

And so multiple people, like I said in my personal life, saw it. One being my ex husband, one being my child, and they're like, thank God. Thank God.

B (10:03)

See, as a lesbian, I never have to be. Like, when I want to have kids one day, it's gonna be like, please, pregnant. Please, pregnant.

A (10:10)

I will.

B (10:11)

I've never had to worry about that in my entire life.

A (10:15)

Wait, so you've been a lesbian your entire life?

B (10:18)

Yeah, in my.

A (10:19)

You have?

B (10:20)

Yeah.

A (10:21)

Oh, wow. So you've never been with a guy?

B (10:24)

No. Like, kiss them. But didn't, like, progress. Because I was like, no, this doesn't feel right.

A (10:31)

See, I'm strictly dickly. I'm like, I just. You know what? That's the problem. I've said to myself so many times, I'm like, if this next situation doesn't work out, I'm just gonna try to be a lesbian.

B (10:43)

Lindsay, Becky and I will hold the gates open proudly for you to come. We will be there, greeting, being like, come over to the other side of the rainbow. It's gonna be okay.

A (10:58)

I know, but I'm just, like, the dickly part, you know?

B (11:02)

Well, you could have that in a lesbian relationship and you don't have, like, the way that.

A (11:08)

The way that y' all move is so interesting and, like, terrifying to me.

B (11:13)

What do you mean?

A (11:14)

I would never be able to go on a lesbian first date. Because if that's how long y' all do it, like, I'm trying to go to bed, and when I say to bed, bed by myself.

B (11:24)

Yes, but it's like, you're hanging with at least, like, if you get along like a bestie, you know? Like, my girlfriend is my best friend, and we just, like, never. Well, I mean, I get sick of her like anybody else. But, like, you're supposed to be enjoying the company, and it's not like you're hanging out with a man where you're like, I gotta wrap this up, you know?

A (11:44)

I mean, I don't know, because I've been in relationships where every person that I've been with was, like, my best friend in that moment. Okay, you know, that's true.

B (11:54)

That's true.

A (11:55)

And actually, it's so funny because I've had multiple people that I've dated be like, okay, so what happens to our friendship now that we're not together? Oh, no, sir. Like, that also went out the window because the friendship was based off the relationship.

B (12:07)

Yeah, yeah, I get that.

A (12:09)

Like, could you ever see yourself still being best friends with your girlfriend if you guys were not romantically together?

B (12:16)

I think it would be hard to. Yeah, I think it would just, like, suck no matter what, though. So.

A (12:23)

I mean, I don't know. It's weird because I used to get in arguments with David all the time because he. He didn't really understand the dynamic of Will and I. And it's like, that's been my best friend since I was 19 years old. Like, yes, we are no longer romantically together, but it doesn't negate the last, like, 12 or 13 years of our life and we have a kid together. Just because you don't have that dynamic with your ex doesn't mean that I can't.

B (12:55)

Yeah, exactly. I think once you have a kid together and you know somebody for so long, it builds so much of a history.

A (13:02)

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A (15:41)

you been following the Samantha Guthrie stuff?

B (15:44)

Of course. I put that thing in the sheet because she's set to come back to the Today show recording this a little bit ahead I mean, but she's coming back April 6th, so like on Monday, which is crazy.

A (15:58)

I just can't imagine being in that situation. I mean, obviously she has such a huge platform. We're talking the Today Show. But I know what I felt like trying to navigate some sense of normalcy and like do my recordings and live my normal life and be a normal mom and be present at the school while my parents were being indicted and then also a federal trial and then sentenced and prison. Like I knew what that felt like. I can't imagine being a host on the Today show, my mom still missing, like my elderly mother still missing, and then being able to pull it all together to do what I needed to do for my job.

B (16:46)

I know, I know. And apparently there's like an agreement in place or some. I mean, it's obviously like not a set in stone thing, but it's a rumor that there's agreement set in place. Like if anything happens, she can just go. Like they're allowing her to have flexibility, which I think is great. But I think, yeah, I'm surprised she's even coming back because I think if that were me, I don't know if I would ever be able to come back in such a public way like that.

A (17:13)

It's like a double edged sword, right? It's this big, heavy thing is going on in my life, but also me not doing my job might not bring her back. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like that would be such a sticky situation. I did see an interview that she did. She already sat down and, you know, did an interview talking about her mom. And I believe it was a conversation that she either had with her brother or her sister. And it was a statement, something along the lines of, you don't think it's because of me? And I think that that would be such a heavy burden to carry and to not have the answers and to possibly maybe not ever have the answ. Yeah, it's awful.

B (18:03)

I just, I. I wouldn't know how to operate. Like if my mom, wherever I'm knocking on wood right now, were ever to be in that scenario, like I wouldn't know how to live with myself. I would just be sick. I would be absolutely sick. I would be scared to move because I would feel like, is someone going to do that to me? Is someone going to do that to my kids?

A (18:24)

What do you think actually happened?

B (18:27)

I think, I think it was targeted for sure. Like I think somebody was watching and had some alter, alterative motive. But the thing that's always like, doesn't make sense to me is like the ransom situation not being real and not real clarity on that. I'm like, okay, if they kidnapped her, you know, maybe two days, they want $3 million, they can give it to her and that would be done. But the fact that it's gone on this long, I think she's dead somewhere in Mexico. Like, I think that's unfortunately what happened.

A (19:01)

I initially thought that the cartel theory was like, very far fetched because I'm like, what would the cartel want an 80 something year old woman for? Yeah, you know, like, that was my initial thought and now I'm kind of leaning on that could have been like a, an inside job that the cartel was used to do that. I don't know. I also keep going back to Savannah's link to the interviews with the Epstein files. If you look at the timeline of everything, there was new information dropped regarding the Epstein files. What, like days prior to this happening?

B (19:45)

Yep, yep.

A (19:47)

So it's like, was that a warning sign?

B (19:50)

I don't know. It's just so chilling. Like the whole, I just, I wouldn't be able to exist and the fact that she's going to be like, hi, everyone, I'm back at the Today show. Like, here's what's going on in the world. Like, I. I don't know, I'm very interested to see how she moves because every time I've seen a photo of her or that interview, she was very choked up. So I don't know, maybe it will help. But it's very, very interesting.

A (20:17)

I mean, there have been times, and maybe other people can relate to this, that you're in a state of grief, that you're kind of sitting in it for a little bit and then you want everything that you know, that you can control of the normal things to be normal because it helps you cope in some way.

B (20:39)

Yeah.

A (20:40)

I have been there before where I'm like, okay, yes, I'm sitting in this. I'm in a state of grief, but I also need to get my shit together and put on a big girl pants and whatever I can do to control for it to be normal. Those are the things that I'm going to do.

B (20:56)

Yeah.

A (20:57)

And maybe it's that.

B (20:58)

Yeah, maybe that's that for her. I don't know. I just think I would be scared to go anywhere, like, alone. I would, you know, constant security all the time. Like, I wouldn't be able to like, rest.

A (21:10)

Listen, I, I don't. And maybe she does in that situation. I don't know that I could not have, like, Secret Service. Mm.

B (21:22)

Constant security.

A (21:23)

Like, what if I'm the next one, you know?

B (21:25)

Oh, exactly. Exactly. I would constantly be on high alert and like, my.

A (21:31)

But that whole situation genuinely, like, has been botched from truly day one. I don't understand how there were, like, all of these items found around the area allegedly tested for DNA. They arrested somebody that was, I guess, a potential suspect, ended up not being the guy. Apparently, DNA didn't match anything in databases. I'm like, how many people are walking around with essentially a boxing glove? Like a singular boxing love. Right.

B (22:02)

I know. It just. Everything doesn't add up. It just doesn't. Nothing makes sense. Nothing is, like, usually, okay, here's the DNA. This is him. This. And then the security footage thing was really odd as well. When they released that, it was very delayed. I don't know. The whole case just doesn't make sense to me. And I feel like one day in, like, 10 years, it will just be like, sipping my coffee in the morning. It'll be like, Savannah Guthrie's mom found.

A (22:28)

Well, I know I'm waiting on it, like, and I hope that it's a good. I hope it's. She's found alive. But unfortunately, I. I think based off of statistics, that if you're not found within a certain amount of time, the likelihood of you not being alive is very high.

B (22:47)

Yeah.

A (22:47)

I think it's. It's maybe a situation where there will never. Either one of two things. There will never be any answers or it's going to be the worst.

B (22:56)

Yeah. I don't know what would. Okay, this is a crazy question, but if you were in that scenario, would you rather find out that she has passed away or just like, never know?

A (23:09)

I think the unknown in any situation is way scarier than the known.

B (23:15)

Yeah.

A (23:16)

So even if the known is absolutely horrible, at least you can cope with what you know. I find it hard to cope with what I don't. You wouldn't want to know.

B (23:28)

I don't know, because I think, like, there might be a glimmer of hope there. Like, even though the stats, like, show what they do. But I would be like, maybe she's still alive. Maybe I'm holding on to that. I don't know.

A (23:42)

I mean, the only thing that I can, like, relate this to in any way would be, like, if I was JonBenet Ramsey. Like, that is something that lives rent free and everyone's mind that are true crime watchers and consumers. Right. What happened to JonBenet? I feel like if there was just an. Like, this is what happened and this is what is known, number one. It's sad to say, but I don't think people would really talk about it as much anymore because there would be some sense of closure. I guess the question would be, would you want closure? Because a glimmer of hope is also living in a perpetual state of grief.

B (24:27)

Yeah, because of the what if? But also, like, closure. I think of it. I always think of. When I think of the word closure, I always think of relationships, Right? And when you want a relationship, you're like, wait, I just want the closure from him. I just want the closure from her. Well, and then, like, the closure doesn't really do anything. So I'm thinking of that mindset with this situation, too. I'm like, well, does it really do anything in the end? Like, this is how I'm coping.

A (24:53)

So funny that you say that, because when I started therapy on Saturday, I said that I was like, if I could just have closure. And she gave me great perspective. She was like, the closure is going to come within you. You're not going to get the closure from someone else. Like, you have to give yourself the closure.

B (25:14)

Yeah. 100. I've been in that scenario too, where it was just a toxic cycle of dating somebody. And I would like, oh, I just need that one more conversation. And then I got the ick. And I'm like, I gotta go. Like, I was. I gotta. I looked myself in the mirror and I said, I've got to like that. I'm a. This is a joke. I deserve way more peace out.

A (25:38)

So there were some things that were said this week to me that very much gave me the ick. And the ick is such a real thing. Once you get it. Almost. The ick is closure.

B (25:51)

Yes.

A (25:52)

Right? Yeah.

B (25:53)

I would say 100%. It's almost like you're realizing, wait, what am I doing?

A (25:59)

People's mouths would be on the floor if they knew some of the things that were said this week. I was actually having a conversation with my best friend this morning, and we're all kind of going through different things in life right now, and nobody is very well. And she was talking about listening to this podcast, and she said, girls, always. And it typically is girls. And maybe there's, you know, some guys, but that would be mostly an outlier that it takes you a while to get over it and not want the communication. But if you can last for a period of time of no contact, you're gonna get over it. And that's when the guy's brain starts waking up and they come back at that point and it's too late because you've gotten over it. And it's so true. I had that conversation through therapy when I went through my divorce. It's like I had already, by the time I was ready to file for divorce, I had already processed a lot of the emotional stuff. Living in the same home with him every single day. And I don't think his process started until after the reality sank in that, like, this is what we're doing. I was kind of already 10 steps ahead of him.

B (27:19)

Yeah, I mean, that's how it usually works with emotional maturity with men. What are they, like 10 years behind or something than women?

A (27:26)

Listen, I don't know how far behind, but based off of the age gap between me and David, he's 52 and I'm 36. It's got to be longer than 10 years. I mean, it's gotta be.

B (27:39)

Also just like some people don't have the tools, you know, and they don't want to work on themselves and like, improve. So you can only do with how they're dealt and also how they're raised. And if they don't, like, like, if you learned, okay, I have to have a certain amount of conflict to resolve something, and I can't just listen to a person. And you never untrain yourself from that habit or recognize that you're going to still be reacting those ways 1,000%.

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B (30:07)

Of course I'm locked in.

A (30:10)

Oh, I think the entire Internet is locked in right now. I am just so confused. So I went to my hair appointment to get my extensions earlier in the week and my hair girl is one of my good friends and she loves secret lives of Mormon wives. So we always are like talking about everything about it. And she was like, what do you think really happened? Like, do you think that what's her name, Kiss Chase?

B (30:38)

Jesse.

A (30:39)

Yeah. Do you think that Jesse kissed Chase or do you think it was a deflection from all the stuff that Taylor's, you know, going through and they want to try to like stir up enough drama and controversy to get essentially boots back on the ground with production to be like, okay, we're missing a bunch of stuff and like, we need to be filming this.

B (31:01)

I think. I don't think, I don't think so. I think Jesse Chase, I mean, listen, if it's up to the man, the man is always just gonna do whatever is in front of him. Like, let's just be so fucking for real. But Jesse, I think that's really messed up because to betray Miranda like that, like girl code, where is it?

A (31:22)

I would be so it's so weird, the timing though, for me, because she went on Alex Cooper's podcast, did that whole interview, and I feel like a lot of people, if they listen to that and follow, you know, the, the show and the girls, that they would be like, okay, I have a reason to like have some empathy for her right now.

B (31:48)

I listened to it. I'm like, wow, like that's really shitty. Like I'm.

A (31:53)

Yes.

B (31:53)

Got out of that situation and then that came out right after and I'm like,

A (31:59)

if I had to guess, they probably got caught up in a moment. There was probably drinking that was going on and it happened. It's not an excuse, but I think Chase is messy as.

B (32:14)

Yeah, I know he's always a little bit. Do you see how he like comments on all of Miranda's posts and like anything Mormon wives like, he's always up in the comments. I'm like, he. And I'm like, our tick tock that we posted with Miranda Chase even I know.

A (32:30)

And I'm like, boy, like, what are you doing? And also get off the Internet and go to therapy. And what world do you think that it's okay to be connected to all of the these girls and now it's not only like affecting friend groups and stuff like that, but it's also impacting the work environment.

B (32:51)

Yeah, work environment.

A (32:54)

Like I. Absolutely diabolical. And then I'm like, okay, so Jesse and Chase get caught kissing at said party. Then that news comes out and then Jesse sends Miranda flowers. I just don't know that that's appropriate either.

B (33:15)

No, I think the whole thing is just like, we need to. We should make merge. Get off the Internet and go to therapy.

A (33:22)

Get 1,000%. We should, we should do that. But then it got my wheels spinning and I'm like having conversations with some of my girlfriends and I'm like, how would you feel if you were divorced and multiple girls in the friend group ended up sleeping with your now ex husband? Like, how would you feel? And I can tell you right now,

B (33:48)

no, no, it's inappropriate.

A (33:51)

I would not.

B (33:51)

Inappropriate girl code. It doesn't matter if he's single. I'm single. Especially they have children together. Come on. Come on. Like there's a billion people in the world like anybody else. It would be different maybe if it was like a boyfriend you had 10 years ago, you didn't have kids together. Maybe something like that.

A (34:09)

But no, but isn't general girl code? Like it doesn't matter if they're an ex husband or an ex boyfriend? Like if you are a part of a friend circle and group, when you break up that person that you were with, one of, one of the two of you are likely going to leave the. The friend group, right?

B (34:29)

Yeah.

A (34:30)

Why are you now like dipping back into the friend group? For what?

B (34:35)

I don't know. So messy and like he has a platform. He can get literally anybody else and he has to get Jesse. Like, okay, okay.

A (34:44)

I do need to ask you, do you see the appeal of Chase? Because I do.

B (34:51)

I see it. I see it somewhat. But also men shouldn't like run their mouth on the Internet and I feel like he does. So I think he would be a little more appealing if he was just a little more quiet.

A (35:03)

So it's so weird because I feel like we do have a double standard with the Internet with like men and women. It's like the girls can girl and like do whatever they want to do, but it is a red flag flying very high if you've got a boisterous man online.

B (35:17)

Yeah. Chronically online. Men shouldn't be a thing. And if you are, it's weird. It's weird.

A (35:23)

And. And what are you doing online? Like, as a man, what are you doing online? I don't know.

B (35:29)

It's always like the thing, like if a man's on his phone too much, like, who is he liking on Instagram? Who is he? Like.

A (35:35)

Yep. Oh yeah, I did a, I did a scroll like not too long ago and I'm like, oh, that's interesting.

B (35:44)

Like, so if you're, if somebody you're dating, let's say likes a photo of, let's say it's like a celebrity in a bikini. How do you feel about that? Like somebody you don't know?

A (35:56)

I mean, is it like a completely untouchable celebrity? Like we're talking like Jennifer Aniston. Yeah, I don't care.

B (36:04)

Okay, but if it's somebody like not untouchable, if it was like a friend in a bikini and he liked that photo, you would be like, that's weird.

A (36:13)

Yeah, I'm like, that's disrespectful as fuck. Because he could potentially be in communication with that person in a way that I'm unsure of. Like, chances are he's not going to be in communication with like a Jennifer Aniston.

B (36:28)

Yeah, yeah.

A (36:29)

You know, why would you?

B (36:33)

I don't know. I feel like it kind of depends. Like, at least in lesbian world, like, we're all, if I like a girl's photo that's in a bikini, I'm not thinking, oh my God. Like, it's more like, oh my God, she looks so cute. I love that bikini. Where did you get it from? Like, that's how it is. But I feel like for men, they're very one track minded, so.

A (36:55)

Okay, well, let me tell you how big of a deep dive that I did on the Instagram part of Internet.

B (37:03)

Okay.

A (37:04)

Literal FBI, CIA could solve a crime by dinner time. Yeah.

B (37:09)

Okay.

A (37:10)

When I was putting timelines of things together from my relationship from like start to finish, I needed to go and investigate certain things. Okay. And it's like things were liked during periods of time. So I looked at like the posting date of where something was liked from somebody else. And then it's like, okay, obviously chances are he liked it when that person posted it. Like, that would be given creeper status if you went back like months and started liking somebody's stuff. Right. And the timeline was just like, very interesting. And it's like, okay, based off. And then I'm like going to my text messages from the timeline of that stuff and I'm like, okay, based off of these events, it's starting to make sense.

B (38:04)

Oh, oh, honey.

A (38:06)

I took it back two years.

B (38:09)

Lindsay, when did you do this?

A (38:12)

When I was laying in the bed by myself.

B (38:14)

Lindsay, just like scroll, tick tock.

A (38:17)

No, I just needed it for. It's like research.

B (38:22)

It's like journalism. Yeah, it is.

A (38:25)

It's literally journalism for what's to come.

B (38:29)

Right, okay. Journalism. Right, right.

A (38:36)

Okay, girl.

B (38:37)

Oh my gosh. Okay. Have you seen what's going on with the Duggars?

A (38:46)

Okay. Yes, I have. I was just watching a tick tock right before we got on this recording. Supposedly Joseph Duggar's emails were like leaked from inside the jail. And it was saying who had actually emailed him. And only part that I saw on there was Jim Bob and his wife. And I'm like, what are the contents of the emails? Like, why can't we get those yet?

B (39:16)

Oh, there. That hasn't been released.

A (39:18)

It might have, but I didn't see that on that TikTok.

B (39:22)

Yeah, that whole scenario is just so crazy because I just can't like the way they grew up and there's so many kids and there's no birth control involved. And I don't know if you. I linked it in the sheet, but the way that they have their house laid out is very creepy. Extremely creepy. Watch this TikTok.

A (39:46)

Why? What's the house layout?

B (39:48)

Yeah, go down the chilling layout of the Dugger home and then click it. Hold on. Let's see.

A (39:55)

Oh, yeah, I see this. Okay.

B (39:57)

It just makes sure.

A (40:00)

We'll make sure that we post this as well.

B (40:04)

Okay.

A (40:04)

What the heck is this layout?

B (40:06)

Okay.

A (40:07)

Laundry room, playroom. Oh, that is weird. Why is it like that?

B (40:17)

I don't know.

A (40:18)

What are they saying? That it's like sus for things to go on. That's just insane. I've never really understood the appeal of the Duggars But I also never understood the appeal of Honey Boo Boo. I never understood the appeal of what's that other show?

B (40:38)

Kate plus eight.

A (40:40)

Yep. Kate plus eight. Never understood any of that. And I just feel like things that I've heard through other people is that the Duggars are like complete and utter frauds and it stems from Jim Bob and that he is an extreme, allegedly control freak. And his sole purpose is not to care about what actually happens, but care about what the media is saying and how it affects the, the income, which is insane to me. I am honestly not shocked by the news though.

B (41:24)

Yeah. I just think like, it's just crazy and jarring and I don't, I don't know, I just feel so bad for all the victims of these scenarios and it being your own sibling, like it was one of like his sisters. Right. And then somebody else. I'm pretty sure.

A (41:44)

I believe so. Yeah.

B (41:45)

Yeah. And it's just so like, it's just bone chilling to me. It just doesn't sit right with me. I'm like, how disgusting of a freak do you have to be to do that?

A (41:55)

Well, so I guess I was on like the other side of TikTok where it was a family member who I guess is separated from. What are we gonna call them? Like, I don't want to say a cult, but like the church on that side or essentially. Yeah. Like she's completely separated from the family and she was like, oh well, exactly. What Jim Bob is gonna do is come out and say, you know, send a family group text and everybody's gonna be on the family group text and it's going to be directives on how to handle this and like, just don't talk about Joseph online. Like you can talk about your life and you can talk about your family, but like leave Joseph out of anything that you're talking about. It's like, who sends a family group chat to everyone to tell them how to conduct themselves online?

B (42:50)

Yep. As adults.

A (42:51)

Like that is, that is cult like behavior.

B (42:55)

Yeah. That's. It's just crazy. Like I remember watching the show, like I love TLC shows. Like I got it. Like I was into that whole era of TV and that one I could never fully get behind. It was just so odd to me. And just the way it was just very old fashioned and reminded me, I know it's different, but reminded me of Mormon culture and how women had to be a certain way. And the fact that they live this certain way in like modern times is just very interesting to me. And that the Men dictate everything, and it's just, oh, I just. I hate it.

A (43:33)

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B (45:35)

That is true.

A (45:36)

Yeah, you know, it is as much as I can say, okay, well, I don't like the, the whole Honey Boo Boo show and I don't like Kate plus eight and the Duggars. Also, to some extent, they were preyed upon because TLC knew that that was going to be ratings. And so I just don't. I don't agree with it at all. Yeah, I'm like, for what reason do these people have a show?

B (46:06)

Yeah, it's. It's a crazy situation. I turned on Capless eight the other day because I like to have. It's. It's an ADHD thing. You have to, like, have something going on in the background.

A (46:18)

Yeah.

B (46:18)

And just like the arguments between John and Kate, like, in front of their kids, I'm like, what the hell are you doing? Wrap it up. Have those conversations in private, like, what are you doing? And I was watching that when I was young and I was like, yeah, like, I want that.

A (46:35)

But also like, does it make entertaining tv? Yes. But also as a network, what. What you are putting out there for other people to see. It's almost like you're trying to normalize. Not normal behavior.

B (46:51)

Yeah, exactly.

A (46:53)

And it's like, I don't know of anybody in my friend group who is having knockdown drag outs in front of their children.

B (47:00)

Yeah. And especially back then, like one where these shows premiered like 15 years ago, mental Health was not talked about at all whatsoever. Go to therapy. No. You must be really going through it if you're going to therapy.

A (47:11)

I have said any reality TV contract should absolutely have a clause in there that the network has to pay for therapeutic services for cast and crew.

B (47:23)

I mean, 100%. 100%.

A (47:26)

Because reality TV is a trauma in itself.

B (47:29)

Yeah. And it's not normal to go on half the things that you've been through in your life. And it's like recorded.

A (47:36)

It also completely disrupts your brain in a way. And I don't really know how to explain it, but it's like when you're, when you're in it, you're almost conditioned to be like, everything is a storyline. And I need to think about how this can be used for story on whatever show that I'm. I'm on. That is not a normal way of thinking.

B (48:01)

No.

A (48:02)

So, like, everything in life is not a storyline.

B (48:04)

Yeah. Like, when you would be filming something, would you be like, okay, this needs to complete the storyline. Like, I need to say this. Would they script anything or was it completely just.

A (48:16)

Oh, my God. So I remember the first time we went and did like a press circuit in California. It was like other shows that were a part of NBC Universal.

B (48:30)

Yeah.

A (48:31)

And so we were there doing interviews and stuff. And so we would go from like one place and do an interview and then on the same property go to like another type of interview. And some of the questions that were asked was, is the show scripted? And it's like, you don't want to lie in that moment, but at the same time, why are you asking if the show is scripted? Have you watched the show, like,

B (49:02)

why

A (49:02)

are you putting us in that situation? Because then also you have contracts with the network and you have contracts with the production company. So it's like you don't want to misstep anything. But at any point that now I would say a show like Teen mom, with it being a docu series, did they have like a specific film cycle and time to get a certain amount of footage by a certain date for it to be able to air for TV for that season? Yes. However, Chrisley Knows Best was filmed very, very differently than that. There was a lot more crew, a lot more producers that were around. There were call sheets, there were, you know, a storyline, B storyline. And while they would attempt to intertwine, like real life things that were going on, it was always paired with something that wasn't necessarily real life. So I believe there was an episode when I told my parents about my divorce. That was the real life part of it. Like that I was filing for divorce and this was what it was going to be. I think that that was paired with like a Mother's Day celebration or something like that.

B (50:22)

Right.

A (50:23)

And so one of the storylines was the one thing and the other storyline was, you know, the Mother's Day stuff. But all of that was produced by the network and by producers where it's like they're setting up, you know, where they can go. Go and film at a certain spot. And what people don't understand, like behind the scenes production has to get clearance to go to certain places.

B (50:51)

Yeah.

A (50:51)

You have a film cycle where it starts, let's say, like in August and it ends in October or November. You have to get a certain amount of episodes in in that amount of time. So if there's not a ton of like, life stuff that's going on, they're going to make up story.

B (51:11)

Yeah. And fabricate it for the show because we gotta get this done.

A (51:14)

Yeah. And that's exactly what happened. Oh, wait, let me tell you. So I just got finished watching Love

B (51:23)

Story and so good.

A (51:25)

I. I have been watching all of the people's like, tick tocks and stuff. I don't know if you saw some, like, ex employees of Calvin Klein have gone out and done tick tocks and oh, wow. But I thought it was really good. I did not like the way that they released the schedule because I felt like I watched all the first stuff and then I had to wait an entire week or whatever for the next one. I hate when shows do that.

B (51:53)

I know, I know. It's very annoying. It's Very old school, if you will.

A (51:58)

What did you think of it? I loved it.

B (52:00)

I mean I personally and I think Gen Z can relate to this. I did not know about that story at all. I have no idea who they were. No idea really? No, no clue, no clue that that existed at all whatsoever. Obviously I know the Kennedys did not know anything about John. Did not know Carolyn Bessette. It was a hyper fixation of mine. While that show was out, I'm like, I saw the apartment in New York that they lived in. There was a bunch of other people taking photos because I happened to be in the area. I'm like, oh, let me look it up. Right by didn't know anything about that lore. I find their dynamic, obviously the show is like a little bit fabricated. But having. What is your thoughts on having to stop what you have going on for like a relationship? Like she, her career was growing, you know, in Calvin Klein and then it had to be put on a halt because her soon to be husband was in the limelight. Like he was like, what would you do in that scenario?

A (53:09)

Actually that was what I hyper fixated on when watching. I mean, obviously there was like a lot of other stuff that, that we could fixate on. But I have two thoughts on it. If I had a daughter, I would hope that I would raise her to not give in to a man. That she would have to quit what she loved, enjoyed and was working for to satisfy and pacify him. Because in that show I feel like a lot of their relationship was built resentment and it's because she didn't have an identity at one point outside of him. And I think that's so, so important. I have thought about in the dating world, if a guy came to me and was like, hey, I just think that I want you to be a stay at home mom. And let's say like money was not a factor. Like he has enough money, has a place, like I don't have to pay for anything. I want you to be a stay at home mom. The initial appeal to me would be like, wow, that actually sounds really great. After more thought and processing I would feel like, why does this man just want me to be at home? Like, this is weird. This feels controlling. I couldn't do it.

B (54:32)

No, I couldn't either. I couldn't do it. And it's very interesting. Back to the Mormon wives. A lot of dad talk, you know, they're in that traditional, you know, male and female stereotypes that they, it's, it's, it's inverted. I mean, because in all these women are making so much more money and it doesn't make sense for the dads to be working and they have to be stay at home dads. And like so many of them, I forget Jesse's ex husband's name, but like he had like such an issue with that. And I still think in a society, like we have such an issue with women being the breadwinner, such an issue.

A (55:11)

I mean, I'm actually going to touch on some of that when I do my relationship episode. But I could see, I could see why in Love Story they would have had like this push, pull, resentful dynamic because there's two sides of it. It's like, okay, he's a socialite, if that's what we're going to call him. And he wants to go to all these events and like be photographed with her and elevate his career and his public presence. And she working at Calvin Klein, completely different path. Lived like what I would say a pretty normal girl life with a. I don't know if working for Calvin Klein would be in that era of like what the 90s would be considered like, normal girl. I think that's actually really awesome that she had that job job, but she was still proud. I feel like she was super talented, but like very private. And so how do you mesh someone who, who lives very privately and someone who can't even leave where they live without cameras being in their face, like, how does that mesh?

B (56:26)

I don't think it does.

A (56:28)

And then what really pissed me off was at the beginning I really wanted them to be together.

B (56:34)

Me too.

A (56:35)

I was like, okay, like, this will bring him like down to earth a little bit with her being so normal in private, he'll be able to see like a completely different side of life outside of his raising and now his adulthood. And then the longer the show went on, I'm like, okay. To some degree it felt abusive.

B (57:00)

It was, it was a crazy, manipulative cycle. I think at first he was trying to be like. I remember she didn't even want to be with him. You know, she turned down his date, I think multiple times. Even if the, yeah, real life in the show, it was like once or twice, but. And she wanted to just be like, no, I don't want that attention, whatever. And then she got pulled in and then everybody at her office was treating her differently and everything like that. And he, at least in the show, like never really empathized with that.

A (57:32)

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B (59:23)

Sorry.

A (59:24)

Okay, let me ask you. This could be for lesbians listening. Could be for the straights. How do you feel about a guy sending or or a woman sending you flowers to try to get something out of it?

B (59:38)

Thanks for the flowers. That's all I'm gonna say. But nothing.

A (59:42)

No, I'm throwing them away.

B (59:43)

Oh, I. I won't throw them away.

A (59:45)

Oh, I'm throwing them away. Thank you for wasting your money and thank you for wasting your time. Thank you for looking like a fool. Flowers are not intended for makeups, breakups, manipulation. I have been through that with two people and it's like, you're not gonna get me back because you sent me flowers on Friday.

B (60:11)

Yeah, I know. It doesn't really do anything for me, but I'm like, thanks, I guess for wasting your money.

A (60:16)

But I think because I love flowers and like plants and like, pretty stuff so much that it feels like it completely taints that part of the relationship for me. So if they've ever used it for a reason to be like, okay, we got in a bad fight, so I'm gonna send you flowers. Okay, now you have ruined you sending me flowers for the rest of forever, so immediately probably need to break up.

B (60:43)

Yeah, I get that. I'm that way about cards and letters. Like, if somebody would send me, like, a card or, like, handwritten note, being like, I'm sorry and try to get me back, like, I don't know, that would be hard for me. So I.

A (60:57)

That also about the cards. So I was in this relationship once, and cards were very early on in the relationship and. And continued for a period of time until I got a card after I was cheated on that was put on my car as an apology, as a mending of the fence, and it's now, like, never give me another card ever again.

B (61:26)

Triggered by cards.

A (61:28)

Lindsay is triggered by cards 1000%. Do you want to talk about the Southern Tea rebrand?

B (61:35)

Yeah. I think a lot of you guys have noticed in this year of change that is 20, 26 in all facets, Lindsay is rebranding, and, you know, the layout of the show has changed a lot. I hear you guys. You love the conversational episodes, but we are just kind of testing the waters on mixing things around. I think we've been recording episodes with guests, and I think as Lindsay gets her feet more wet and having these guests on with people that we don't necessarily know, but they're very smart and they can bring so much knowledge to the show. I think it's a good mix of. Of, you know, episodes like this and then having guests on as well, so.

A (62:23)

And then also Becky, and it's just been. Honestly, I am always scared of change, like, and I have always been like that in my entire life. Like, anything that disrupts the normal pattern of what I feel like I know and expect, it's scary for me.

B (62:44)

Yeah.

A (62:44)

But at the same time, I see through all the things that I've been going through really, since December that, like, change is good and to be able to embrace that change. And I'm really excited for the future, for things that are coming up. I will be in Delaware this. This week. By the time this airs, I will wait, be heading home from. From Delaware. And so I'm excited. I think Kayla and I are going to have a sleepover. Going to be great. We're going to trauma bond like we regularly do. Then I Come home, then where do I go?

B (63:22)

Then like that next week we have the photo shoot.

A (63:26)

Then the next week we have a photo shoot for complete rebranding of the Southern T. I'm super excited about that. And so, you know, preparations for that, I cannot wait for it to be done. The creative, so good. And I also can't just wait for everybody to see it. It's so exciting. And then I am up in the air if I'm going to LA or if I'm not, because also the Webbies are. The plan was for me to go to LA for a couple days with Kale and we would be in Podcast One Studios recording and then come home. I don't even know if it would make sense to come home or go directly to New York. Yeah, I don't know, like, what that logistically would look like. But then we have the Webbies on May 11, and then obviously that backs up. I do not know why they do it like this. Like, they do it on Mother's Day weekend. And so Kayl and I have been having conversations about possibly taking our kids to be together for the first time to New York.

B (64:30)

Oh, my gosh.

A (64:31)

And so it would be Jackson's first trip to New York, our kids being together for the first time, us trying to do the Webbies, like, the amount of chaos that. That sounds like is insane, but also would probably embrace it because my kid could get a trip out of it. And he's always. Since the movie Pets, he has always wanted to go to New York City. And so I'm like, we can go. Like, it would be so much fun. So then that's going on. And then I would come home, have basically end of the school year stuff going on, and then tour starts. So I think a couple people got pissed off thinking that I was going to be on the Atlanta tour date. That is still up in the air. Don't know. I know I am from Atlanta. I live here, but logistically, like, we're trying to figure out all the logistics for that. So then we'll be on tour. We will be in a freaking sprinter van going across the freaking United States. Sounds like a great. A great chaotic time. And so life's. Life's just life.

B (65:39)

And yeah. Yeah, definitely is. Wouldn't have expected any of this in my 2026 bingo card.

A (65:47)

Listen, the bingo card, this is not what was on it for me.

B (65:51)

No, no.

A (65:52)

But I'm very excited. All right, guys, next we're gonna listen to one voicemail. Please do not forget. If you want to Submit a question, ask advice or spill tea. You can call our Southern tea hotline at 929-333-6386. Please leave us your message and we might be able to play on the show.

C (66:14)

Hey Lindsay, I know I just sent you an email, but girl, my life is the definition of the tea. Now this one's a little more of a trigger warning. So I do want to say that there is trigger warning of domestic violence and murder. So just to preface with that. But anyway, I am currently 25 and married to my high school Sweet Yahar. But before I started dating my now husband in high school, I was dating a much older guy. So I actually started dating him when I was in eighth grade and he was a junior in high school school. So try and, try and picture that my family was, you know, I had a lot of family issues going on, so they didn't give a shit about what I was doing. So I would go to this guy's house every weekend and spend the entire weekend there. He was super abusive, super manipulative, gave me super bad trust issues with relationships, was always cheating on me, meeting up with other girls, gaslighting me, going to colleges and talking other girls. And I'm literally not even in high school yet. So come to find out, we were dating for about two years, about a year and a half and we broke up towards the end of my freshman year of high school. I'm sorry, excuse me. My sophomore year of high school and he broke up with me after I found out that he was cheating on me with another girl. And then this girl has the audacity to text my 15 year old little girl self. I hope you enjoyed this sleeping in my com. Excuse. Okay, okay. I mean that's, that's a lot. That's a lot. But that's not even the point of this story. The point of the story is this man had anger issues and he would like Zoom at like 110mph when I would find girls in his phone. He smashed a brick through this kid's window that literally messaged me on kick when kick was a thing. Because this kid that I went to school was messed up me, he threw a brick through his window. So we broke up. I'm with my boyfriend, I'm in college, walking to my next class. I get a call in college that I need to come in to the county sheriff's office to make a statement for my ex boyfriend because he murdered his girlfriend and I ended up having to testify against him. And it was a really sad Story long story short, he beat her to death in his front yard because her ex boyfriend was texting her. They were arguing in the Uber and Uber driver reported it. And then he took her dead body in an Uber and took it to the emergency room and said she got jumped. And I had to hear the autopsy report. It was very traumatizing. But I just, I want you to share this because girls need to be aware that if men are violent or acting violent, get the away before it's too late.

A (69:01)

That is so insane. There are so many levels of the insanity.

B (69:07)

I know.

A (69:08)

Eighth grade and a junior in high school. Obviously everybody parents differently. Everybody has different standards for their kids. Everybody has different rules and regulations on how they want their household governed. I can tell you right now, if my daughter was in eighth grade and she was trying to date a guy that was a junior in high school, that is not happening.

B (69:30)

Yeah, no.

A (69:31)

Like under zero circumstances, I will pull your ass out and you will homeschool and you will go nowhere.

B (69:36)

Yeah.

A (69:37)

That's number number two. What is it with the older men that should have their shit together that prey on these younger girls and they're out here habitually cheating?

B (69:52)

It's just. For what? It's just crazy.

A (69:55)

But it's not. And I used to get wrapped up in, in the process of, of thinking and my head just being like, what the just happened? I used to think, okay, well, maybe it's something like I did until you get out of that mindset eventually. And maybe that's through like the process of grieving it and processing it. But it's like, it was never you. Right. It was always them. And a lot of it has to do, I believe, with. And I'm not saying this is, this is all situations, but I do think that guys that are significantly older and they're dating a significantly younger girl, it's. It's most of the time that they are insecure, they have ego issues because the, the average person that would be their age isn't going to put up with your shit.

B (70:53)

Yep. You hit the nail. Yep. You're like, yeah, period. No, but like actually. And then she could have been murdered too, which is absolutely insane.

A (71:05)

It also wasn't the other, other girl who he murdered. Right. That was just like, truly who he was as a human.

B (71:13)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (71:14)

The capabilities were always there. I believe that if somebody can like, do something like that to another human, the capability was always there.

B (71:24)

I agree. I agree. It's just so I, I would be sick to my stomach every day.

A (71:31)

And on that Note, I actually have a hair appointment. I'm going to go wash the pollen off of my car. I have to go finish some last minute shopping for Delaware and then I think I'm going to grab myself some takeout, come home, take a bath, take my ass to bed, and finally sleep in. So. Period. That being said, if you guys have not followed us on at the Southern Tea Podcast on Instagram, you can follow us there. You can also follow us on Tik Tok at the Southern teapod. There's also an official Facebook group. If you have not followed us on Facebook, you can join our group and connect with us and our community. If you have not subscribed to the show, you can do that from any podcast app. Wherever you get your pods, always first at Podcast one. We hope you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon.

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