A Sad Day For Women: Thursday, April 3rd, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast – "A Sad Day For Women" (Thursday, April 3rd, 2025)

Release Date: April 3, 2025
Hosts: Claudia Oshry & Jackie Oshry
Description: Take a bite out of The Toast, weekdays with Jackie & Claudia Oshry.

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1. Introduction and Merchandise Highlights

Timestamp: [00:05] - [02:02]

Claudia Oshry kicks off the episode with enthusiasm, welcoming listeners to "The Toast" and teasing their latest merchandise drop. She proudly showcases their spring collection, featuring renowned supermodel Jacqueline Foley who modeled their "girly baby tee" flown in from Paris.

Claudia Oshry:
"Our new spring merch collection just dropped and wearing one of our models... She flew in all the way from Paris to model the girly baby tea." [00:26]

Jackie Oshry echoes the excitement, highlighting the popularity of the restocked items and encouraging listeners to pre-order through their website, shoptastmerch.com.

Jackie Oshry:
"I am wearing the little girly tee which we've dropped before, but we re-released it. It's a fan favorite. It's so cute. You can get it [e-mail]." [00:47]

2. Personal Anecdotes and Birthday Celebrations

Timestamp: [03:03] - [07:00]

The conversation smoothly transitions into personal updates, with Claudia announcing her husband Ben's birthday. Both hosts share their approaches to celebrating, opting for fun and goofy public posts over heartfelt montages due to busy schedules and merchandise launches.

Claudia Oshry:
"Happy birthday to you, My Aries king." [04:04]

They also discuss upcoming plans, mentioning that Jackie will be taking a road trip with friends to see their favorite band, Rascal Flats, highlighting her deep fandom and excitement.

Jackie Oshry:
"They’re my favorite brand. I feel like I can say that with certainty because I would not do this for anyone else." [08:13]

3. Debate on Horoscopes and Social Perceptions

Timestamp: [05:38] - [07:00]

Claudia expresses skepticism about the societal obsession with horoscopes, comparing it to being a "Disney adult." Jackie agrees, emphasizing the need for thick skin when engaging in horoscope conversations.

Claudia Oshry:
"But I feel as though we as a society have taken it way too far." [05:38]

Jackie Oshry:
"I like being a vegan. Do what you need to do. But just understand that people aren't going to understand it, but you have to." [06:29]

4. Upcoming Host Plans and Road Trips

Timestamp: [07:00] - [08:31]

Claudia mentions that this will be their last episode of the week as Jackie is embarking on a road trip with her sister and friends to see Rascal Flats. Claudia humorously laments feeling left out but assures listeners they'll stay busy with other plans.

Claudia Oshry:
"Today's gonna be fabulous episode. It is our last episode of the week." [07:00]

Jackie Oshry:
"They'Re going to see Rascal Flats. Like, the hits start coming and they don't stop coming." [07:29]

5. Story 1: Kelly Clarkson's Talk Show Departure

Timestamp: [49:00] - [24:12]

Note: The transcript indicates that advertisement sections are present between [16:03] and [49:06], which have been skipped in this summary as per instructions.

Story Overview:

Claudia and Jackie delve into recent reports from Page Six, revealing that Kelly Clarkson is contemplating leaving her afternoon talk show on NBC to spend more time with her children. Sources indicate that Clarkson's desire to relocate from New York City to a more family-friendly environment is a significant factor influencing her decision.

Claudia Oshry:
"She's playing Evita in the West End. She makes her West End debut IMD." [03:05]

Jackie Oshry:
"She says, I've not said that line to them since I've been back from the hospital." [31:50]

The hosts discuss the grueling nature of hosting a daily show and speculate on possible relocations for Clarkson's show, such as Nashville, to accommodate her personal life.

Claudia Oshry:
"Like, Kelly's not the elk of a New Yorker. And... she just wants... personal life." [02:23]

Jackie Oshry:
"She should go. I wonder if there are cities they could agree on where she would be happy and they could have their production." [22:00]

6. Story 2: Teddy Mellencamp's Battle with Cancer

Timestamp: [31:28] - [35:36]

The hosts share the somber news about Teddy Mellencamp, who is currently battling cancer. In an interview with Us Weekly, Teddy revealed that she is fighting for her life as doctors discover four more brain tumors, indicating that her condition has metastasized.

Claudia Oshry:
"She's fighting for her life as doctors discover four more brain tumors as her cancer battle rages on." [31:28]

They empathize with Teddy's struggle, reflecting on her resilience and the overwhelming support she's receiving from fans and the public. Claudia notes that Teddy has been open about her health challenges, which adds complexity to her personal relationships and public image.

Jackie Oshry:
"She said, I think they're going to make it easier to come out to a good place, which is really nice." [33:28]

7. Story 3: Katy Perry & Lauren Sanchez's All-Female Space Trip

Timestamp: [35:36] - [41:42]

Claudia and Jackie humorously critique the announcement that Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez are preparing for an all-female trip to space, slated for April 14. The trip includes notable figures like Gayle King and aims to blend glamour with space exploration, a move the hosts find both amusing and embarrassing.

Jackie Oshry:
"They are getting ready to blast off into space on April 14 with Gayle King... an all female crew going to space for the first time." [35:36]

The hosts mock the idea of combining "glam" with astronaut duties, expressing disbelief and disappointment over the perceived superficiality of the mission.

Claudia Oshry:
"This is actually so embarrassing for women... I'm humiliated to be of the same gender." [36:00]

They commend the civil rights activist on the crew for putting a more serious spin on the mission, while maintaining their stance that the primary focus on glamour detracts from the significance of space exploration.

Claudia Oshry:
"She said, we contain multitudes. I'm going to be wearing lipstick." [38:37]

8. Story 4: Rumor Willis on Co-Sleeping

Timestamp: [41:43] - [46:21]

Claudia and Jackie discuss Rumor Willis's revelation about co-sleeping with her mother and sisters, sharing baths together. They explore societal perceptions of co-sleeping and familial bonding, balancing non-judgmental understanding with personal discomfort.

Rumor Willis's Disclosure:
"She and her sisters all still take baths together. That’s just the kind of house that I grew up in." [42:41]

The hosts reflect on their own experiences, debating the normalcy and potential awkwardness of such practices, while emphasizing the importance of context and personal comfort.

Claudia Oshry:
"I actually would like to have my child still sleeps in bed with me when she's my age." [49:06]

Jackie Oshry:
"It's how mother and children are designed to be close." [42:47]

They acknowledge the American Academy of Pediatrics' stance against co-sleeping due to safety concerns but recognize the emotional bonds it fosters between parent and child.

9. Story 5: Kourtney Kardashian on Co-Sleeping

Timestamp: [46:21] - [54:18]

The final story centers on Kourtney Kardashian's admission that she sleeps with her son Rocky in her bed, discussing the practice of co-sleeping on her podcast episode. Claudia explains co-sleeping to non-mothers, highlighting the debate between natural maternal instincts and pediatric safety recommendations.

Kourtney Kardashian’s Statement:
"I wouldn't be able to sleep with my son Rocky in another room." [49:19]

Claudia Oshry:
"Co-sleeping is sharing a bed with your baby... It’s frowned upon by the American Academy of Pediatrics." [49:26]

Claudia and Jackie debate the practicality and safety of co-sleeping, acknowledging that while it can strengthen bonds, it also poses risks if not practiced safely. They encourage parents to trust their instincts while adhering to safe sleep guidelines.

Jackie Oshry:
"Sometimes it comes down to some people are like, I want to co-sleep. It’s like the natural thing to do. And that's..." [50:29]

10. TV Recap: Summer House – Relationships and Drama

Timestamp: [54:18] - [76:22]

The hosts turn their attention to "Summer House," providing a two-week recap of the latest episodes filled with relationship turmoil and interpersonal drama among the cast members.

Key Points:

• Craig and Paige's Relationship:
  The hosts express concern over Craig's inability to recognize the deteriorating relationship with Paige, who is increasingly frustrated with his lack of commitment and attention. They criticize Craig's inconsistent behavior and question his suitability as a partner.

Claudia Oshry:
"She has one foot out the door. They are so not compatible at this moment." [75:16]

• Lexi and Jesse's Dynamic:
  Claudia and Jackie dissect the unhealthy interactions between Lexi and Jesse Solomon, highlighting Jesse's unfaithfulness and lack of respect. They lament Jesse’s behavior as immature and detrimental to Lexi’s well-being.

Claudia Oshry:
"He's too damn horny. Until he can get that in check, like, you shouldn't be a one woman man." [59:58]

• Carl and Lindsay's Business Ventures:
  The hosts discuss Carl’s unsuccessful bar venture and the friends' mixed responses to his plans. They critique the support dynamics within the group, suggesting that true friendship should involve honest advice, not just polite disagreement.

Jackie Oshry:
"They could just blur out their faces... that's a good question." [62:31]

• Overall Cast Behavior:
  Claudia and Jackie express disappointment over the cast's inability to effectively support each other amidst personal and professional struggles, emphasizing the need for genuine solidarity over superficial camaraderie.

Claudia Oshry:
"So, like, we all agree that this is stupid. So you're actually like, you are being, you're being a safe friend, but you're not being a good friend." [65:03]

11. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: [76:22] - End

Claudia and Jackie wrap up the episode by reminding listeners to visit their merchandise store and encouraging them to subscribe and leave reviews on various podcast platforms. They reiterate their commitment to delivering the "Fast 5 stories you need to know every Monday through Friday," blending humor with candid discussions on women's issues and pop culture.

Claudia Oshry:
"We're here to let them know, like classic mix up. Hermes are bad. Yeah, won't happen again." [01:40]

Jackie Oshry:
"Love ya. Bye." [76:22]

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Notable Quotes

• Claudia on Merchandise:
  "Our new spring merch collection just dropped and wearing one of our models." [00:26]

• Jackie on Fan Favorites:
  "It's so cute. You can get it [e-mail]." [00:47]

• Claudia on Horoscopes:
  "I feel as though we as a society have taken it way too far." [05:38]

• Jackie on Keto Clarkson's Show:
  "She should go. I wonder if there are cities they could agree on where she would be happy." [22:00]

• Claudia on Teddy Mellencamp:
  "She is still in ongoing treatment for her cancer, which has gotten worse." [31:50]

• Jackie on Katy Perry's Space Trip:
  "They want to bring glam to space. Like, I'm vomiting." [36:00]

• Claudia on Co-Sleeping:
  "I'm starting to really dislike him." [66:32]

• Jackie on Summer House:
  "Why are they just reconnecting when cameras are out now?" [63:35]

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Conclusion

In this episode of "The Toast," Claudia and Jackie Oshry navigate a range of topics from personal milestones and merchandise promotions to in-depth discussions on celebrity news and societal debates. They blend humor with critical analysis, offering listeners both entertainment and insightful commentary on contemporary issues affecting women. The episode underscores their dynamic chemistry and commitment to addressing topics that resonate with their audience, all while maintaining an engaging and conversational tone.

Transcript

[Claudia Oshry]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your host. It's your favorite show, the Fast 5 things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.

[Jackie Oshry]

They sound amazing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Welcome back to the Toast and happy Thursday. Hope everybody's having a Gargy Pargy day. Perhaps they are because they scored a piece of Gargy Pargi merch. Our new spring merch collection just dropped and wearing one of our models. One of our featured models is world renowned supermodel Jacqueline Foley. She flew in all the way from Paris to model the girly baby tea. She is wearing it looking parchy. Hey, Jax, how you doing?

[Jackie Oshry]

Hey, Cogers, Voyagers, Folgers, Sojourners, Truth. I'm doing good. I am wearing the little girly tee which we've dropped before, but we re released it, restocked it. It's a fan favorite. It's so cute. Every time I wear it, I'm like, I'm so cute. So I'm just wearing it with some barrel jeans and a little cardigan and I'm feeling cute in my girly merch. And you can get it [e-mail] Some things have sold out, but now they're available for pre order. And pre order just means that you're gonna get it like how you would have gotten any merch before, which is just gonna take a little time.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. So I am wearing one of our sold out items. It is the green tuscaloos.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like only wearing the things that are sold out.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, they're sold out for a reason.

[Jackie Oshry]

You know, because you could get them.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, a couple of items, the mug and the tote. But you can still order all these things.

[Jackie Oshry]

The other thing that I have on hand.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes, exactly.

[Jackie Oshry]

Early mugs are available for pre order. This is a great mug.

[Claudia Oshry]

The website is shoptastmerch.com. i know that shopairmes.com got like a bunch of traffic this morning and they were probably like, what's happening? But we're here to let them know, like classic mix up. Hermes are bad. Yeah, won't happen again. Actually, probably will.

[Jackie Oshry]

They're not here for you.

[Claudia Oshry]

No.

[Jackie Oshry]

And they will.

[Claudia Oshry]

So that was exciting.

[Jackie Oshry]

See her and they will line up.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, you. Did you see that Rachel Zegler clip?

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm on a side and I can.

[Claudia Oshry]

Only hope that everything I do and every premiere, they will line up.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm on the side of X where they are serving me now. Sufferable Rachel Zegler Content.

[Claudia Oshry]

Do you think that she was quoting a monologue there? Because it's like is she doing a self tape for. For an audition?

[Jackie Oshry]

I think that the first half is a quote and then the second half is like her extrapolation of it. Because the quote doesn't talk about a premiere.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no, yeah, she's quote. There is a quote. But. But is the whole thing perhaps like a famous monologue from a play? It sounds like she's literally auditioning for something.

[Jackie Oshry]

I agree with you.

[Claudia Oshry]

She had to prepare a monologue.

[Jackie Oshry]

I feel like if that were the case, it would have been debunked so quickly. Like it would have been known already.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like oh, you guys are clowning on. That was an audition. But I did see like Rachel Zegler. We did talk about this on IMDb and then other people noticed she has no jobs lined up after Snow White.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no, she does. She's playing Evita in the West End.

[Jackie Oshry]

She make her West End debut IMD that's goes and go on IMDb, doesn't.

[Claudia Oshry]

Go on IMDb which is a big deal. But movie wise, no she doesn't. I don't know if like that's common in. I don't think it is.

[Jackie Oshry]

But yeah, everyone's got something in pre production even if it never happens.

[Claudia Oshry]

She is playing somewhat of a large sort of sought after role in the West End.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you going to go see it? You're like so up on it.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm not up on it. It's just like a fun fact that I happen to know and like it keeps coming up. Like I'm keep. I keep being able to pull it out of my back pocket.

[Jackie Oshry]

London.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't know if she's there yet. Actually she should, but I know she's plans to be there.

[Jackie Oshry]

She should go.

[Claudia Oshry]

Today's a special day. It's my husband's birthday.

[Jackie Oshry]

It is. I need to send him like maybe I'll post on Instagram.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm thinking I might post on Instagram to my prison crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

If I post on Instagram for him and I like barely post for my husband, but I just find it easier to post like a silly goofy happy birthday than like a heartfelt. Heartfelt one. Yeah, yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

With like the merch launch this morning I wasn't able to commit to like the heartfelt montage. I'll do it later today because I know Ben loves a birthday montage and like a public declaration of love.

[Jackie Oshry]

So does my husband. He's still waiting for me to post about our anniversary.

[Claudia Oshry]

So here's my public declaration of love. Even though he'll never hear it because he doesn't listen to my podcast. But if he did, he would hear me say happy birthday to you. Happy birthday. One delicious happy birthday to. I feel like Skyler from Bad. Breaking Bad. The fact that you haven't watched that show is so crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, I want to say thanks to Ben for a great year. You know, it wasn't like other years. We spent most of it inside, in bed. I loved every minute of it, but who knows if he actually did or if he's just lying because he doesn't want to enrage me. Either way, I'll take it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, it was only like, half the year, right?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I got into bed in September.

[Jackie Oshry]

So that's about six months. He had a. Like. And you guys were going to the Hamptons before that and the farm and the country club. Like, he got. He got kind of an active half a year.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, whatever it is, I love you. Happy birthday to you, My Aries king. Okay, Aries. I'm older. I'm so over horoscopes. I was never under them, to be clear, but I feel as though we as a society have taken it way too far.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, it's such, like, low hanging, intellectual fruit. Like, someone could say something, and because you don't have something to say back, you're like, that's just the cancer in you.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I forget where I was. Where was I recently?

[Jackie Oshry]

Maybe with Dana. She's really into horoscopes. It's so. It's so contradictory because she's so intellectual.

[Claudia Oshry]

Someone was asking me about, like, my horoscope and Ben's horoscope and, like, where the baby's horoscope is going to be. And I'm like, it was a nice conversation. Like, they were nice people. But I was seriously, like, please.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm surprised you don't tolerate horoscope conversation when it's about you. Like, because people do try and, like, give you insight into yourself, health.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's so stupid. Like, I actually. Even my obsession with talking about myself doesn't even help. Like, it's. I'm sorry. I know this is, like, offensive to, like, a wide ranging group of people, but I. I seriously think it's the stupidest thing ever.

[Jackie Oshry]

I just think if you're into our horoscopes, like, go ahead, but you need to have a thick skin. Like, you need to understand. I like that people are gonna clown on you. I like being a vegan. Right, Right. Do what you need to do. But just understand that people aren't going to understand it, but you have to.

[Claudia Oshry]

Be a Disney adult. You know, kind of like being a Disney adult.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. Take heed from the Disney adults. They're doing it, right?

[Claudia Oshry]

They are. Because, like, they have this weird hobby. But you know what? They don't give a. And they get made up, fun of all the time, and it only emboldens them.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, don't get offended. Block out the noise. Who are we?

[Claudia Oshry]

I got the noise. Who are we? We're Jackson Claire, host of the Toast. Today's gonna be fabulous episode. It is our last episode of the week. We. Which obviously is devastating for the listeners, exciting for the hosts, but it's kind of not. Because the reason why there is no show tomorrow is Jax is taking, like, a road trip with, like, her sister, who's not me, to go see their favorite. They're all going. It's not just Margo.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. And tr's going, too. And one of my mom friends. We're like a little girl gang.

[Claudia Oshry]

Wow. I've been really replaced.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, there's, like, four girls going, and.

[Claudia Oshry]

They'Re going to see Rascal Flats. Like, the hits start coming and they don't stop coming. I wish I was waking up tomorrow just to go to work for a regular Friday, but no, instead, I'll probably have to throw my phone out the window. Like, I know this is, like, a much smaller scale of how you felt when we all went to the ERA Store and had to leave you behind.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because of Circle Weekend and it was.

[Claudia Oshry]

All of your friends from college, so I can't even begin to complain and, like, relate to what you went through back then. But you also don't have crippling, like, FOMO like, I do. And it's good. I've booked plans for the weekend. Like, I'm gonna stay busy so I can. I seriously, I might have to block you and Margo.

[Jackie Oshry]

I.

[Claudia Oshry]

And Olivia now. I didn't realize Olivia was going.

[Jackie Oshry]

You do what you have to do. And it's just so crazy because I am seriously a Rascal Flat super fan. Like, what I'm doing this weekend, I would not do for any other artist under the sun, which is just, like, leave my bubble.

[Claudia Oshry]

What about the Gavin degras? No, you wouldn't. That's.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, he's more accessible, actually. I. I don't worry so much and I'll never see him again. But I feel like if I don't see Rascal Flats this time around, like, I might not ever see them again. And, like, that's how they're fleeting. That's how important they are to me. Like, I know Gavin will come back around, so I'm really, really excited. And this is like, yeah, they're my favorite brand. I feel like I can say that with certainty because I would not do this for anyone else.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm so jealous. Have the best time. Seriously.

[Jackie Oshry]

Tomorrow we are going to record something fun. When. When we have a moment. Remember we had that plan for Patreon?

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, no, I don't know.

[Jackie Oshry]

We're not gonna do that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh. I mean, I might be able to. I might be able to.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, we'll. We'll talk.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, it's Ben's birthday, so I've planned a little something, you know, a little spa weekend retreat. Yeah. But I think I'm free in the morning if you.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, we'll sync up. But you've been in rodeo. Have a such a cute weekend planned. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Not as fun as. Honestly, like, love my husband as going to Rascal Flats with my sisters.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, I know. Would you call this a baby moon?

[Claudia Oshry]

I mean, I would, because we didn't take anything else, but. No, I think that I was. I was just having this conversation with someone. The concept of a baby moon is, like, really nice, but it's so crazy to me because I know a lot of people go, like, far, you know, And I don't know. I feel weird about being any further from the doctor than Florida, honestly. Like, that's. I've been to Florida a couple of times. That's the only place I've really been in my pregnancy. And I don't know, I just feel like, what are you going to Zimbabwe?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. They're like, what about your doctor?

[Claudia Oshry]

What about your doctor?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah, but I wouldn't leave the country, but yeah, they'll go to, like, Italy for the baby moon.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's real. So you would have to go, like, not after five months, but they do.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because they're there, like, bumping.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. That's just not me. So sure. This is, like a mini baby moon.

[Jackie Oshry]

That implies a maxi baby moon is coming.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. So it's just a moon. Full moon.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh.

[Claudia Oshry]

I think the phrase full moon is really funny. Like, in terms of like. Like when you moon someone, like, it's your tushy, right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, that's funny. I was. I was thinking about the moon not moving whatsoever.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh. I was thinking about, like, tissues. And when you say you're mooning someone.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, that's flashing them.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, but it's tushy, right? It's Not.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think it could be.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I don't think lifting up your boobies is calling mooning. Like, that's flashing.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think technically it's all mooning, but you just associate it with tushy. But do some googling. Let's see what Gemini says.

[Claudia Oshry]

Mooning is to expose one's buttocks to someone in order to insult or amuse them. So it's just tushy?

[Jackie Oshry]

It's just tush.

[Claudia Oshry]

And is that because. I mean, I'm thinking through my own lens. Like, I know not everybody has, like, an ass as white as the moon, but mine is, like, so white. Literally. The color of the moon. Is that where the phrase originates from, or.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I don't think it's about the color. Maybe it's about the shape.

[Claudia Oshry]

The shape, too. Right. Okay, wait. My phone is easier to talk into. Hold on. Where does the term mooning originate from?

[Jackie Oshry]

Or maybe it's something that, like, you know, they did back during the full moon in the cruise.

[Claudia Oshry]

The word moon has been used in English to describe the shape of a person's buttocks. You were right. Shape. Not me. Centering myself in my extremely pasty white ass.

[Jackie Oshry]

It was a good guess.

[Claudia Oshry]

Mooning as a form of insult or protest can be tracked back even further.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm telling you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Historical accounts suggest that mooning was used by Roman soldiers as a form of mocking, and there are documented instances of it in medieval Europe as well. One famous example incurred in 1346 during the siege of Calais when a Frenchman allegedly mooned English troops. The modern usage of mooning as a term of deliberately exposing one's backside gained popularity in the 20th century, particularly in Western pop culture, college pranks and protest movements. Would you like to know more about specific historical mooning incidents? Thanks.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes, I would.

[Claudia Oshry]

Why? Yes, I would. Thank you.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's so funny. How did he get his armor off so quickly?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, it wasn't as easy to moon back then.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. You didn't have pants. You had, like, chain link.

[Claudia Oshry]

I guess, like, me, now that I'm thinking about it. Like, me and Ben definitely, like, moon each other.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like that does. I don't think that will surprise anyone.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, Ben would be, like, working. I'm like, look, it's my tissue. Like, I think it's, like, funny, but I guess it is mooning.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. What am I, like, a frat kid talking or amusement?

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm doing it for mocking. No, amusement. Exclusively entertainment. And then Ben will do it, too.

[Jackie Oshry]

French soldier.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm really cracking up. I don't know why. Like, Saying it is, like, mooning is just funnier than, like, I showed my tissue, like, whatever. You showed your tushy, like, whatever.

[Jackie Oshry]

Saying that Ben's working and you're like, hey, look over.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, no, like, not so much these days because I'm not, like, in love with my body. Not that I really ever was, but, you know, there were times in my life where I was a little bit more comfortable.

[Jackie Oshry]

The French soldier did it because he's in love with his pot body.

[Claudia Oshry]

Maybe he did it as, like a. A vicious act of self love.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's beautiful.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Such a little history and vocabulary lesson of the day. Word of the day. Mooning. Try using in a sentence. I hope not sporadically, of course.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's beautiful.

[Claudia Oshry]

We've got Southern charm. Nope. Summer house.

[Jackie Oshry]

Recap of the end. Oh, the same these days.

[Claudia Oshry]

Literally end. You and I weren't able to watch last week because we were gallivanting in New York City being socialites. So today's TV recap is going to be a little extra juicy. We've got two episodes to recap.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And there was a lot that went down.

[Claudia Oshry]

How about the stories?

[Jackie Oshry]

I say the stories, they come together in an obvious way. You know, like, I feel like whatever. Like, I shared, like, you've probably seen. I mean, it just needs disgusting.

[Claudia Oshry]

So what you're saying is they've come together. Very Beatles of you.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I don't think that part of the.

[Claudia Oshry]

Show where we issue corrections from the day prior. I have to take responsibility for. For something. I was on here bragging like, nobody got me for April Fools. Meanwhile, when I was, like, telling everybody that I read Mickey Madison. Mickey Madison was going to be cast as yoga owner. And that was, like, kind of crazy because she's not Asian. Turns out that was from an account called Pooh Crave, not Pop Crave. It's like a parody account. They make up news. And I, like, I. I more often catch myself. But I really believed it because it's kind of a good call.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's what I'm saying.

[Claudia Oshry]

And it's sad for Mikey Madison that she's not being even considered for.

[Jackie Oshry]

We don't know that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Maybe someone will see that and be like, that feels right.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like inspiration. So I'm sorry to have spread false information. You know, that goes against everything I believe in. And I'm here to do better and listen and learn.

[Jackie Oshry]

Thank you for clearing that up.

[Claudia Oshry]

And in the battle against disinformation, I, Turdi Lu Ashra Freebush, Softer will do better.

[Jackie Oshry]

Even though I did say, like, I didn't, I actually looked into it. I didn't see it anywhere else.

[Claudia Oshry]

So, yeah, I just didn't like fully put together like I'd been the victim.

[Jackie Oshry]

One letter off.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm always one letter off.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's all. But that's what, that's what's sad when April Fools are like, disappointing. Like, I know everyone wants, does want, like spritz, manage habits and it's like, well, darn, darn, darn. I want a dye brow.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. The Dyson eyebrow brush.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. There wasn't anything that, like, was launched, like, I really needed. There's always next year.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Well, I guess we could get into the aforementioned stories in the fast five stories that you need to know.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

The turd yeah. Our first story, a little Kelly drama. Kelly Clarkson. Elijah wants to quit her talk show and leave New York City, but NBC is desperate to keep her happy. So Page Six is reporting that Kelly is looking to leave her afternoon talk show when her contract expires next year. And NBC execs are searching for ways to keep her on the network. Multiple sources have told Page Six exclusively. So she was off the air for almost two weeks last month for what she described as a personal matter. Doesn't. We don't know if that's related to now sources saying that she wants to step down from the show, that she has been helming since 2019 to spend more time with her children. They say Kelly's number one priority is her children. They always will be. The show is grueling. It's a whole lot of work. And I hear that Kelly would like to spend more time down south.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Also, I think the show requiring her to live in New York is really crazy. Like, Kelly's not the elk of a New Yorker. And I forget why, but, like, a week or two ago, I was actually googling trying to find out where Kelly Clarkson lives. Like, not to be a freak, but I was just curious because we were talking about on the toes where, like, she probably lives in Westchester or whatever. People are like, no, she lives in the city. And I just, I don't see that. That for her especially and her kids, like, that's just not Kelly. So I actually understand, lifestyle wise, why she wouldn't want to live here. Although I'm sure they could make it work in which she does her show out of Nashville. Like, and if NBC wants her that bad, that's easy.

[Jackie Oshry]

That seems obvious. She's not the elk of a city slicker. And I do think she wants to get back to God's country. And she's been doing the show and living in New York for six years and. And that's a long time, especially. Maybe it is related to the personal matter, but maybe she just wants a different. I don't think it is life.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, when you do a daily show, like, things happen. So Kelly has to, like, so hard. And when she has kids, like, it's hard not to be, like, conspiracy theorist, but I actually don't think anything happened.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Sometimes you just need two weeks off and you don't want to tell anyone.

[Claudia Oshry]

Why, and that's okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I do agree with that. But I feel like for Kelly, you know, she needs to go back down south and the show can follow her there or they cannot.

[Claudia Oshry]

But, like, she's in a great position because she probably, like, doesn't need the money. Probably likes doing the show, but not more than she likes her life, you know, her personal life. So great. If you want to give me everything I want and build a studio in my house on a ranch. Sure. If not, like, being able to walk away. It's powerful.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I wonder if there are cities that they could agree on where she would be happy and they could have, like, guests come through and have their production and stuff.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. I guess the hard thing is, like, people who are doing press go to New York and they go to LA for press. Like, that's literally it. There's not, like, a stop in Nashville unless you're a country music singer.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So it's limiting.

[Jackie Oshry]

It is limiting. But she could just walk away, too. I don't know why. Like, I feel like she should. This show seems really hard even though it's really successful. Like, yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I also don't care. Like, I. I love Kelly and, like, I love her show. I love Kelly. Okay. I love what it's done for her, but at the same time, I'm not, like, a big fan of the show itself, so, like, quit. I love that for you.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Like, leave them wanting more. You can go out on top. Like, you had a successful.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, that's powerful. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, no, not.

[Claudia Oshry]

And nobody can say that. Nobody can say that they had a successful daytime show that, like, they usually used to rip it from their hands. Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So. And maybe this would leave time for her to, like, do more pop star stuff, which I would, like, do more music. I do like, her hosting era. Like, I love. But I was. I'm ready for her to be, like, a normal celebrity, like, who does interviews. She kind of does. And it's. A lot of her work is not about her. Right. She's, like, learning from other people. Boring. I want to hear about Kelly.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Even that story she told on Kylie Kelsey's podcast that we talked about yesterday about, like, the person who's hosting, who's judging the Voice right now, who was mean to her. Like, she is. Interesting. Let's hear what about Kelly?

[Jackie Oshry]

So I actually think if you watch her show, I think she shares personal anecdotes, and I think, like, when she has a guest, she also, like, relates it back to her experience. But you would, like, have to watch the show.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know. And it's not very Gen X of me, like, to not be watching it. I just.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's where you, like, draw the line.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know. I. I follow them on Tick Tock. Like, I watch all their clips.

[Jackie Oshry]

It feels like enough.

[Claudia Oshry]

It really does. You kind of get the essence of the show.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. No, and it's doing great.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I'm so happy. I'm so proud of her, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I think. I don't know. I don't really remember where she was at culturally in 2019, but this show did wonders for her. Right. Especially Kellyoke with Tick Tock. Like, really introduced her to a younger audience. She's now, like, the COVID queen. There's, like, so many jokes in pop culture. Don't like Kelly Clarkson cover one of your Songs. So I really feel like it was very good for her. She spoke, I remember on Watch Happens Live about how, like, she's had a lot of peaks and valleys in her career and, like, you know, it's been difficult at times to get people to want to make music with her. And now she's so, like, out of that. She's, like, a bona fide icon now, and I think in large part due to the show and then NBC, like, tapping her toast.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, seriously. Oh, yeah, it could be proper up anymore. Even before she was on NBC, like, nobody was stumping harder for Kelly Clarkson.

[Claudia Oshry]

Even though if Kelly has, like, a clock winding down on her time in New York, that means she also has a clock winding down on her likelihood of coming on the toast. So let's just put it out there again. Kelly, please.

[Jackie Oshry]

She doesn't want to come on.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no, she does. I'm telling you. We heard from her team once when she was doing chemistry.

[Jackie Oshry]

Press has done so much press. Like podcasts, swirly, like, you know, nonsense video press, whatever. Crickets. She doesn't want to come on.

[Claudia Oshry]

Stop saying that. Like, she does. I know she does, but then she. I know. Wait, I met her. I met her and I told her about the toes. Do we. Do we forget that? At the Celine Dion Amazon prime event. And she was obviously. She was aware of the swirlitude. She had a swirly next to her, and she was like, that's the swirlies. And she was like, so nice. And I told her about my 5K. Like, I love her. Jackie, she's coming.

[Jackie Oshry]

Stop. She's coming.

[Claudia Oshry]

Hashtag, Kelly is coming.

[Jackie Oshry]

I just, like, she's my fave. I've given up, you know, for so long. She's like my dream guest, but I. I feel like I forget what she was doing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Don't give up. No, I don't.

[Jackie Oshry]

Don't give up in, like, a negative way. Just, like, I move. I'm moving on.

[Claudia Oshry]

If they sing that, like, seriously, kill me. Call me if they do. Okay. Even though the set list is, like, is set.

[Jackie Oshry]

You know, Sachi Cratchy sent the set list. I didn't even look at it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, yeah, Run through it with me.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. Here.

[Claudia Oshry]

Hopefully it sucks.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's so funny. She literally works in music. Like, oh, no texting. Or what time do they go on? What's the set list?

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. Margo's so crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

They open with tears to you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. By the way. And it makes me feel better. I have seen Rascal Flats. You and I went in Dallas. We had the Best time. Like, so I've heard them sing that song.

[Jackie Oshry]

Then yours if you want it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Fuck.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay then. Fast cars and freedom.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, they didn't sing that when we were together. And I just want to say, like, actually, I'm Moving on is not the song that, like, I will kill myself if they sing. If they sing. How they remember you like that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, I heard that my 13th reason PNC Bank Arts center in New Jersey. And it was like very emo.

[Claudia Oshry]

I love that song. It's such a powerful message.

[Jackie Oshry]

But did you make them laugh?

[Claudia Oshry]

Did you make him cry? Did you quit or did you hide?

[Jackie Oshry]

They do say I'm moving on. But they're not singing that this time.

[Claudia Oshry]

They're not singing I'm moving on. Or they are.

[Jackie Oshry]

They are.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, damn.

[Jackie Oshry]

Then four was Stand Mayberry, which I'm having a renaissance with the Blake Shelton coverage.

[Claudia Oshry]

Shelton version's very good.

[Jackie Oshry]

Amazing. Yeah, My wish. Classic.

[Claudia Oshry]

I could live without it.

[Jackie Oshry]

You gotta play that. I wish though. Like, it's Rascal Flats. Banjo.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, I love banjo.

[Jackie Oshry]

Why wait? So good. I dare you. The Jonas Brothers song.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, that song's really good too.

[Jackie Oshry]

Then these days. So good. I was just listening to that. These this morning. No, that's a tear jerker. Oh, then they do Sweet Caroline Fun.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's so Gen X of them.

[Jackie Oshry]

Bless the broken Road.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course. Could live without.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, same. Oh, the blood of Jesus.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. They do some worship music. I. I do know that it's part of their set list. Maybe that's when you go to the bathroom or something.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, no, I'll partake. I'll support for my boys. I like the sound of that. So good. Cute. What hurts the most. Classic. Oh, I like that song.

[Claudia Oshry]

Their best selling songs like what Hurts the most. Bless the broken Road. Like I could like to me. But yeah, play your Justin Bieber collab.

[Jackie Oshry]

I actually love what Hurts the Most. Like, even though it's overplayed, kind of like Life is a highway. Like, it will always hit for me.

[Claudia Oshry]

Life is a highway does always hit.

[Jackie Oshry]

And then me and my gang.

[Claudia Oshry]

Me and my gang. That's literally me, you, Romeo and Bruno.

[Jackie Oshry]

We rock to live.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, I hope you have the best time.

[Jackie Oshry]

And then the concert. Summer nights and Life is a highway, which you know me, I leave before the encore. What are the Rascals? I know. And I think we're driving so like we kind of.

[Claudia Oshry]

You'll just have to.

[Jackie Oshry]

I will definitely stay for summer nights. I might like. It's not in me to like stay till the last song.

[Claudia Oshry]

I could be having the time of my life at a concert, but, like, when I know it's the time to leave, to beat the traffic, especially, like, an MSG or something. Like, I don't care what happens next. I'm out.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know I care more about the.

[Claudia Oshry]

Efficiency of the exit than anything else.

[Jackie Oshry]

Taylor Swift, gate.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course, I was also, like, in the thick of first trimester nausea. I was gonna die at that stadium.

[Jackie Oshry]

But it's like, I feel like people didn't believe me that I just, like, would leave. Like, I will leave during life as a highway. I will do that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. No, I am with you. Like, my obsession with efficiency and, like, beating lines trumps any song. No.

[Jackie Oshry]

And, like, when I think back, like, when Zach and I went to the Stanley cup, like, the joy I felt like leaving right before, like, the.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, you driving past all the cars that are still parked, people haven't even got.

[Jackie Oshry]

And we're like, that feeling hearing the buzzer in the stadium, and it's like, our team is about to win the Stanley Cup. Like, I'm happier to leave than to watch us win the Stanley Cup.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

But the Swifties, of course, took it personally, right?

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course they did. But that's just another problem. For that, I'm not going to forgive them either. And I don't. I wouldn't even be mad if you never forgave me for letting you take the fall for that when the reason we left.

[Jackie Oshry]

You know, I love it, coaches.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know. I know Jackie, like, loves to take. She's like, yeah, bring it on. Whereas I was, like, feeling so guilty. I was just, like, dying. And Ben was texting Jackie, like, can you please get Claudia out of there? Like, I was so not okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

And so we left when I know I've done nothing wrong. And then, like, people are coming at me with. Because, like, they don't know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Jackie is seriously, like, she is fueled on moments like that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And I just, like, have the higher ground. I'm like. I'm looking down like Regina George at all. Yes.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. On the mess you created.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Claudia Oshry]

Is it seriously only number two?

[Jackie Oshry]

It's only number two. And it's sad news about Teddy Mellencamp, but she is sharing, like, the tragedy in her life while also, like, still having a humorous spin on things, which is just so admirable. But she did interview with Us Weekly that came out yesterday, and she said that she is fighting for her life as doctors discover four more brain tumors as her cancer battle rages on.

[Claudia Oshry]

And it's metastasized, like, into her brain.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. She says as she continues her fight against her diagnosis, she has stopped using her famed phrase, mom always comes back with her family. She said, I've not said that line to them since I've been back from the hospital. They all know that I'm fighting the hardest I possibly can, but I haven't said it because I don't want to lie to them, and I don't know. So she is still in ongoing treatment for her cancer, which has gotten worse, and she's opened up about that. She also talks about the housewives bit of it and everyone who's reached out. And she.

[Claudia Oshry]

She's still a podcaster at heart. Like, she's still giving us the drama.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. She shared the one housewife who has not reached out, and that was Garcelle. She said that up until recently, Dorit hadn't reached out because she didn't, like, feel like she know if she should. Yeah. Which I understand that feeling, but then.

[Claudia Oshry]

I bet Garcelle feels that way, too.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Even though, like, Garcelle has less of a relationship with her than Dorit. Like, their time on the show, like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are they barely crossed over? Are they just strangers?

[Claudia Oshry]

See, I don't think it's, like, really contentious with Garcelle. I think it's like, they barely knew each other, and now, like, I'm sure she doesn't want to be surrounded by people she doesn't know. Like, that might be how I felt. I just feel like for Garcelle, like, the hits start coming, and they don't stop coming. Like, this woman can't catch a break right now. Whereas, like, I actually don't think it was, like, evil. Garcelle's not a mean person. Like, I. I just think I can understand how she got to the conclusion where I was, like, maybe Teddy doesn't need to hear from me.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I can understand that, too. But apparently Teddy noticed, and she also said Dorit, like, sent a really nice text. At first, she was like, whatever dirt sends, it's like, doesn't matter. But apparently the text to read scent was, like, so powerful that, like, I think they might be able to, you know, get out to a good place, which is really nice.

[Claudia Oshry]

So it really wasn't until yesterday that I saw this news about Teddy Mellencamp that, like, it actually set in. Like, she, like, has cancer. Do you know what I mean?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, I feel like up until this point, she's always been really vocal about, like, her melanoma. I know she's had, like, so many surgeries to get skin cancers removed from her back. And it's always like. Like she said, like, mom comes back, and then even with this tumor thing, it's like, okay, she had, like, a crazy brain surgery. Like, she's fine now. I'm, like, understanding, like, she has brain cancer. Like, yeah, there's like a high. Like, I think I was reading up. It's like a 50, 50 shot of making it through. And then also what I had read was that, like, when you have tumors pushing on your brain like that it can really affect your decision making skills. And so, so much of what I think what we were seeing before she knew she had the tumors, like, her alleged affair with her horse trainer, like, can perhaps be pointed to her tumors.

[Jackie Oshry]

Interesting.

[Claudia Oshry]

Which I thought was crazy. But you see that, like, on svu, like, when somebody has a tumor and then they start doing crazy things and they, like, plead insanity because the tumor was pushing on their frontal lobe.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, yeah, that makes sense. But she didn't seem like she was doing crazy. I mean, she might have just had an affair because she was also doing a podcast, which is very successful. I think she was, like, very cogent. Like. Like, I don't know.

[Claudia Oshry]

You know, I don't think she was, like, crazy, like, you know, chaos. But, like, when you do something out of character, like step out on your husband, like, maybe.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, she's not saying that, though.

[Claudia Oshry]

No.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. Honestly, if I'm getting divorced.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And she was talking about dating.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's a very complicated situation. Like, I. You would imagine that this would just, like, things.

[Claudia Oshry]

Forget the divorce for now on hold.

[Jackie Oshry]

But no, it's ongoing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Especially just, like, if anything happens, like, you're the kid's guardian. Like, you just want to, like, keep it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Cool.

[Jackie Oshry]

I mean, I can't begin to imagine, but that's just a little. Sounded surprising.

[Claudia Oshry]

Me too. I just assumed that they were, like, putting the divorce on pause for now. They weren't, like, getting back together, but.

[Jackie Oshry]

They were not, like, meeting with lawyers in between hospital chemotherapy. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I thought that was kind of strange.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, whatever works. Yeah. So wishing her the best. Like, I think the whole world is, like, rallying behind her, and she's just, like, on everyone's mind and.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's just.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's very, very, so sad. It really is.

[Jackie Oshry]

Our next story, I actually wish was an April Fool's prank, because as Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez prepare to go on their all female trip to space, Remember?

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

They are on the COVID of L&Katie says, we're going to put the ass in astronaut. Yes.

[Claudia Oshry]

She. She makes it so hard to be a kitty cat. Like, she's seriously indefensible when she does shit like this.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez are committed to wearing glam that's out of this world.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God, I'm vomiting. This is actually setting women back.

[Jackie Oshry]

This is awful for women. Listen, they are getting ready to blast off into space on April 14 with Gayle King, a former NASA, a former NASA rocket scientist, Asia Bo forma forma NASA, a civil rights activist Amanda Wen, and film producer Carrie Anne Flynn. So it's an all female crew going to splate space for the first time. Except previously, one female Russian astronaut went to space alone. So that was an all female.

[Claudia Oshry]

Very true.

[Jackie Oshry]

In 1963. But it'll be the first time anyone has ever journeyed to space in full glam.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. This is seriously so embarrassing. I identify as a man now. Like, I want no part of this. I'm humiliated to be of the same gender.

[Jackie Oshry]

Lawrence Sanchez.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I love how Gayle King was nowhere near this. Like, she's such a serious person all over this.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, she. She's.

[Claudia Oshry]

Is she in? Is she a part of the interview?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes.

[Claudia Oshry]

I think you said just Lauren and no, they're.

[Jackie Oshry]

They're. These ass and astronaut quotes are, like, coming from Lauren about, like, we're going to be the first ones to have glam in space. They want to bring glam to space. Katie said space is going to finally be glam. She said, let me tell you something. If I could take glam up with me, I would do that. We are going to put the ass in astronaut.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay? She's given us no choice. We have to leave her in space. Like, she is not of this world. And I mean, that's.

[Jackie Oshry]

This is so weird. Even the other. The.

[Claudia Oshry]

Not the civil rights activist, the NASA.

[Jackie Oshry]

Astronaut said, I also wanted to test out my hair and make sure that it was okay. So I skydived in Dubai with similar hair to make sure I would be good. Took it for a dry run. Like, these women going to space and only focus on their looks like.

[Claudia Oshry]

And their hair.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's like, this is something a man would say.

[Claudia Oshry]

Insulting. This is so.

[Jackie Oshry]

This is something men think of us.

[Claudia Oshry]

Meanwhile, like, we. Oh, my God, I'm humiliated.

[Jackie Oshry]

As we're going to have lash extensions flying in the capsule.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, no. Oh, no. This is really, really bad. Like, seriously, jail for everyone. Sorry, Gail. Gail goes to jail. Like, not. This is jail. Yeah. If seriously, if I was invited on this hypothetical. And I saw like my fellow passengers were doing this types of press. Like, I would actually give my seat up.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I want no part of this.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And then they said, joking aside, the civil rights activist said, of course.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course she did.

[Jackie Oshry]

She said, I think it's so important for people to see us like that. This dichotomy of engineer, scientist, and then beauty and fashion. We contain multitudes.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. She's trying to like put like an intellectual spin on these dumb remarks.

[Jackie Oshry]

She said, women are multitudes. I'm going to be wearing lipstick.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. Had that been like the only statement about makeup, that would have been funny. Yeah. And like.

[Jackie Oshry]

And yeah, I'm wearing lipstick.

[Claudia Oshry]

Very code name Helene. You know, she's parachuting out of a. Of a World War I chopper and she's putting on red lipstick before. That's fine. We're bringing glam to space. Like, I'm vomiting. And I actually don't forgive Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez for this. And I won't.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know. And I do feel like, who's do you think is like the driving force behind this stupidity? Like, I think it's Katie. And like she's bringing down.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And you know, Lauren, like, she maybe thinks differently, but she really cares about like celebrity friendships. Like, that's kind of a currency she now plays with her and Jeff and you know who's coming to the wedding. And so I think she just does what Katie has the power in this friendship. So she's just following Katie's lead because, like, Katie is known for saying and doing dumb things like the embarrassing astronaut.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, this is so embarrassing for women. Like that. This is the first female trip. And this is what we're focusing on. Like, it's actually a parody.

[Claudia Oshry]

I need someone to do me a favor. I need somebody to really quickly get together an all female crew and just send them up. Elon. Like some. Somebody just do it. So that this group of mor. Civil rights activists excluded is not the first to do it. Because like, these people don't represent.

[Jackie Oshry]

Take away their power.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Like, seriously, just get two women. That's all we need. I'll do it. You know what? I'll do it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Go to space to put the gabac.

[Claudia Oshry]

Just for this? Just for this? Yes, because, you know, I have no interest in going to space, but if it's to silence this group of morons.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes, but would you put the ass an astronaut?

[Claudia Oshry]

No, you wouldn't? No, I would not.

[Jackie Oshry]

The idea that you would bring glam to space, like you have to leave your helmet on. Like, that's just, like, stupid. I can't believe that this, like, made it to print.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, and not. I. I blame everyone. Right. Like, I also blame Elle magazine. Like, you're supposed to be a beacon.

[Jackie Oshry]

Of journalism, like, curating the dumb, they say.

[Claudia Oshry]

Agreed. This is really, really uncool. And in International Women's Month, you know.

[Jackie Oshry]

After whatever the month, just during the month after International Women's Month.

[Claudia Oshry]

How dare you to disgrace us like.

[Jackie Oshry]

This right out of the gate?

[Claudia Oshry]

It's. It's. It's disappointing.

[Jackie Oshry]

It is. It really, really is. And it's only going to get, like, worse from worse.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right?

[Jackie Oshry]

Imagine day of April 14. Where will we be?

[Claudia Oshry]

April 14, the day before tax day. So we'll probably all be hunkered down at home doing our taxes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Not me and you.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. Yeah, we already pay them. We pay early because we don't want to go to jail.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, it's, like, cool thing we do.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Like, fun fact.

[Jackie Oshry]

So, yeah, like, this is happening. It's.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, thanks for ruining my day. I appreciate that.

[Jackie Oshry]

And it's not April Fools, and I'm sorry to tell you that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Devastating.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Claudia Oshry]

Four.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's number four. It's like a little celeb outrage news, you know?

[Claudia Oshry]

What, are they outraged?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, no.

[Claudia Oshry]

The celebrity.

[Jackie Oshry]

Someone's making news that's like, outrageous. And I think.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

But I think it's her truth. So Rumor Willis reveals that she and her sisters take baths together, and she still sleeps in bed with her mom, Demi Moore. So rumor went on actually, like, Zoe Winkler's this podcast, the Lifer, that's friends with Kim. And they talked about, like, family. And she was also talking about, like, parenting her toddler because she's a co sleeper, and she's always been a co sleeper. She actually said some really, like, nice, insightful things about co sleeping. And she said, honestly, I hope Lou, her child, like, still sleeps in bed with me when she's my age. I still sleep in bed with my mom, and I don't think it's weird. She also said that her and her sisters all still take baths together. And that's just the kind of house that I grew up in. People might think that that's crazy and weird, but I don't. She said.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. So I think there's two things going on here. Her still sleeping in bed with her mom is not weird. Like, I'm sure it's not like an every night kind of thing.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. But if you're like, Staying over at mom's house.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's not a big deal.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I don't think she, like, lives.

[Claudia Oshry]

There now, her and her siblings still taking baths together.

[Jackie Oshry]

And you're a big bather.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I'm a big bather. I'm also, like a very. I'm not like a nudist, but I'm not, like, precious about nudity.

[Jackie Oshry]

You're a free woman.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm not precious about nudity. And I actually can recall the last time I took a bath with a sister when we were in Utah. I remember that me and Margo went in, like, the hot tub and we had, like, had a couple of drinks. Making it sound like a little lesbian.

[Jackie Oshry]

Sounds like White Lotus.

[Claudia Oshry]

White Lotus. Sorry. We, like, were drunk and we, like, needed to take a bath after the hot tub, and we just, like, took a bath and it was like, so, like, not weird, but I guess, like, in hindsight, it was a little weird. It was what, four years ago?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And you wouldn't then say, me and my sister take baths together still as adults. And it's.

[Claudia Oshry]

And before that, it was like when we were children. So I'm coming at this really from a non judgmental place and as an open person. And I think this is weird and I'm judging.

[Jackie Oshry]

And I also think that even in practice, like, because the way that we took that bath together that time in Utah was not weird whatsoever. So maybe every single time the Willis girls do it, it's not weird whatsoever. But, like, sharing that, knowing how it sounds, it's like rage, baby. Right?

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. It's kind of reminds me when Mila and Ashton Kutcher said they don't give their kids baths with soap.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Which in hindsight, like, isn't that weird? No, it is not really.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, it is. Like, we have soap. Why not?

[Jackie Oshry]

They said they don't do soap every day.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I think it's weird.

[Jackie Oshry]

I actually, I don't think of that is so weird. But, like, they know how that. How it comes off and that people are gonna.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

But when you really think about it, like, it's actually not that weird. If you're not, like, filthy, you don't need soap. And, you know, people did just fine bathing in just water. It's fine.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. People love to say, like, well, they didn't have soap back in the day.

[Jackie Oshry]

They did, but they didn't.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. They, like, use plants and they also.

[Jackie Oshry]

Took a bath once a year.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. And, like, things were just different.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

They also used to shoot each other in the street, like, we don't do that anymore. Like, it's okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, it's not nearly the same, but.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, like in the Coliseum. You know what I mean? Like, things are different. Like, stop. I hate when people, like, use history to justify, like, their lack of showers. Do you know what I mean?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, but. But it's just to show, like, what.

[Claudia Oshry]

The human needs and in a modern time. And maybe I come at this as like a person with a, With a really powerful nose these days. Like, there's just genuinely no excuse for smelling badly unless you have a medical condition and even then, like, figure it out.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, no, I. I think for adults it's different. Adults have like, like body odors and a bunch of shite going on. But like, babies and kids, they're. They're really not that, like, gross smelling.

[Claudia Oshry]

But Rumor Willis is a grown woman. Sorry, back to the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Rumor Willis is a grown woman.

[Claudia Oshry]

And to be clear, it sounds like she grew up, like, similar to us. Like her and her sisters and her mom. Like, yeah, like, and yeah. When we all were living in an apartment, all of us at the same time. Like, we weren't precious about things like that you would pee with the door open. Like, like, so I'm really not coming at this from, like, clutching my pearls.

[Jackie Oshry]

Where are the opportunities arising to bathe? Baths.

[Claudia Oshry]

Are you going over to your sister's house for bath time?

[Jackie Oshry]

Just to bathe? Because it's our favorite thing. Right together, right there.

[Claudia Oshry]

I feel like perhaps it's an issue.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, but that's just me.

[Claudia Oshry]

Who am I to judge?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Our fifth and final story is actually brought to you, related to our previous story, and it's brought to you by booking.combooking. yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

That's beautiful.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Our fifth and final story, a little co sleeping news. Because Kourtney Kardashian admits that she wouldn't be able to sleep with her son Rocky in another room as she discusses co sleeping on this week's episode.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, this is huge news for people who are Jackie.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, this is huge news for the co sleeping community because it's typically can.

[Claudia Oshry]

You explain like to us non mothers like what co sleeping is and why.

[Jackie Oshry]

It'S bad so why it's perceived as bad? Co sleeping is sharing a bed with your baby anywhere from newborn co sleeping, which is what Courtney was doing up. And I guess people who do that then they become the ones who are like sharing about with their two year old, three year old. So rumor was talking about sharing a bed with her two year old who she's been sleeping with since the baby was born. But you know, when babies are newborns you're told like put them on the back in the crib.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's not safe sleep.

[Jackie Oshry]

Not safe sleep. But a lot of mothers like feeling like it's the natural thing to do.

[Claudia Oshry]

What's safer than my bosom?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, sleep holding your baby. They compare ourselves like animals who would never be like separated from their children. Like they cuddle them up close.

[Claudia Oshry]

So like the American Academy of Pediatrics don't approve.

[Jackie Oshry]

They would say no, no, no, it's a, it's kind of frowned upon, you know, in those circles. But amongst mamas, like we're all whispering about it because one like if your baby won't sleep in the crib like and you're just so like tired and fed up and you just grab it and you just get in bed and you both fall asleep. Like it's partialish and they sleep. They're so happy when they're co sleeping.

[Claudia Oshry]

And like what position are we co sleeping in? Like on your chest?

[Jackie Oshry]

There are safe are ways to do it. It's like a sea snuggle. You know you're not supposed to use pillows, you're not supposed to use blankets. But I do think there's a lot of like merit to the fact that like yeah, this is what the body is designed then Children and their mothers are designed to do the idea. Baby should be in a crib in another room, like alone after, you know, just coming to this world.

[Claudia Oshry]

Let me ask you another question.

[Jackie Oshry]

Scary for them.

[Claudia Oshry]

Is it considered bad because you are asleep? Because, like, if a baby takes a nap and you're watching somebody on the couch, like, that's not bad, right?

[Jackie Oshry]

That's. That's part of delish. No, it's because you are asleep in there. You know, you could roll over.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right, right, right.

[Jackie Oshry]

There's a bunch of things that could happen that are scary. So it is like, frowned upon it, but a lot of women do it, and most people.

[Claudia Oshry]

I could have guessed that Courtney was. She was co sleeping.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's told us before, but now she's like, super open. So she. On this episode of Kardashians is when she's filming Skinny Confidential podcast. Him and her, Are they on the show? Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I haven't caught up on this week's episode.

[Jackie Oshry]

Me neither. But they have her because it came out five hours ago.

[Claudia Oshry]

Wait, Lauren and Michael are on the episode?

[Jackie Oshry]

I think so. They have her like, walking into the studio and I think they have like clips from the show. And then they also have very cool confessionals, like talking about the things that. Yeah, and she's talking about her decision to co sleep with the baby and also having baby brain. And she actually said, because, you know, we always talk about how your brain turns to mush, like when you're pregnant and when you're having a baby. And she said she actually likes having baby brain. She said, I love baby brain. I mean, I don't know exactly. I'm not a scientist, but supposedly so that you moms can focus on their baby, you can't really think of other stuff. And it's true, because I really can't think of anything else. So it might be like the body's way of having. Having you focus on your baby. It's not. You're just dumb. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I saw a tick tock that really made me reframe, like, mom brain, where it was like, oh, like ask the mom. Like, hey, like, where'd you put that hat? And she's like, I don't know. And then she was like, oh, my mom brain is so bad. My girl Shawna. You guys know I'm always talking about Shauna. She does the skits. So it was like they were asking the mom in the skit, like, when was the last time baby ate how many ounces? Like, she was recalling crazy information, like, about the baby's. Food. But it's like, okay, you can't find the hat. Like, who gives a. Like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, you're.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're kind of of elevated.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. It's not that like you.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're done.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's that it's like it's very much focused on a different area as it should be.

[Claudia Oshry]

So.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, Courtney's obviously like a natural girly.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, it is closely being considered like more like of the. The granola elk of mothers.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Okay. Because I wouldn't guess Courtney is a co sleeper.

[Jackie Oshry]

You would?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I like don't really want it like that. I. I don't really want to coastly mostly because like selfishly sounds like you yourself get really bad sleep. Sleep.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

But again like whatever the baby will do, the baby will do. But like if the baby could just like chill in the crib in the bassinet, like that would mean a lot to me.

[Jackie Oshry]

But like would you rather have like them have a two hour run in the crib or like five hours with you both sleeping?

[Claudia Oshry]

That's a good question. I don't know.

[Jackie Oshry]

So sometimes it comes down like some people are like, I want to co sleep. It's like the natural thing to do. And that's. No, some people, it's out of necessity.

[Claudia Oshry]

I feel like I can understand how you get there. Of course, if the baby won't sleep anywhere else, the baby's got to sleep.

[Jackie Oshry]

But then you start doing it and you're like, this really feels right. But I think about the thing about co sleeping, like, of course there's people like Courtney who don't give a. And they're going to be like, this is like the most natural and Right. But I think a lot of people like do it private. Don't share. And you go to your pediatrician, they're like, is baby sleeping through the night?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. You're like, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Being out of the crib like hasn't even been unpacked.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct, correct.

[Jackie Oshry]

So like for those people, it's always really nice when people do share because.

[Claudia Oshry]

You feel like you're doing something validated.

[Jackie Oshry]

And everyone's telling you you're doing something wrong, but to you it feels right.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

But of course, practice safe sleep.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course. And don't do what someone's doing just cuz they're a celebrity. Do what works for you and your family.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But trust your gut intuition.

[Claudia Oshry]

Cool. Well, we have TV recap summer house two weeks in a row now. I feel like for at least for us, like last week's episode was highly anticipated because it was like finally the conversation between Craig and Kyle. Let me tell you, I was bored and I didn't care. I am so, like obsessed with what's going on between Jesse, Lexi and Sierra and really surprised to see like that not a lot of people are sharing my thoughts on it. Right. Because I think a lot of people, especially in the house, are championing Jesse and Sierra and for so many reasons, it's so such a bad idea. One, like Sierra has to stop dating these guys from the house. Like, they just hurt her. She's so hurt still from West. Like, he's literally West 2.0. Like, he's. Look what he's doing. And so the fact that like you're a willing participant in what if Wes had done this to you last season with a different girl? Like, he would have. Like, the fact that she's a willing participant is actually really disappointing me. I feel like she's such a girl's girl and like while he was more of the aggressor and like the pursuing her, she didn't tell him to stop. And like she didn't not participate. And so even all the other girls being like, they have such great chemistry, like really shipping them, like, why are we doing this?

[Jackie Oshry]

That's bad friends. Because nobody should want her to be in this situation.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

By the way, the fourth time because is west. It was Austin and Luke.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, Luke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

So it's just a bad idea. I actually feel like Sierra, I don't see Sierra like being like heart eyes around Jesse or whatever, but even having these sorts of conversations is inappropriate. But I also feel like. And I know Jesse is being a scoundrel and the thing with Jesse is like, he's not a bad guy. He's just a bad boyfriend and he's not ready to be anyone's boyfriend and he's just too damn horny. And until he can get that in check, like, like you shouldn't be a one woman man. But I felt like even in that conversation with Sierra, which was really bad, like, what if it had been me here last summer? Like, I feel like there is a world in which they could have that conversation and it was devoid of like feelings from right now where it was just like we're just hypothesizing because.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. But the context of the whole weekend. Your leg is turning me on the foursome. Like him doing all of those things. Maybe if it has just been one conversation. Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Where it's like they felt into brother. Their sister friendship. Because he wasn't there that weekend. And. And that's where they are now. And that's like. That's their relationship. But, like, oh, what if that. And it's disrespectful to have that conversation when he's with Lexi. But I could see a world where there was really just, like, a hypothetical conversation and not like, well, let's get together now. Because I do think Jesse, as much as he's problematic, he's not really a liar. And so when he's, like, shocked that people think he's flirting with Sierra, like, I think that. That. That is real. But he came out of the room with Emeril and was like, I got my toe sucked. Like, he's not. I not seen him, like, really lie. He kind of cops to everything and the way.

[Claudia Oshry]

But, like, in his own time, like, him coming off of this terrible weekend, and then the first thing he does is take Lexi out and ask her to be exclusive. Like, that's guilty behavior.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And then, like, having sex with her. Just me. I feel.

[Claudia Oshry]

And then telling everyone, oh, my God, for her. I really wanted her to dump him right then and there. At softball.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. They obviously aren't gonna last very long, and she deserves.

[Claudia Oshry]

She's been making tiktoks.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And they're. They're, like, nowhere to be seen together anywhere. And once she sees these, even if they were together up until yesterday, when she sees the episodes, like, it's over. That's not a trustworthy person, and it's not her. Like, he really couldn't be that way for anyone because, literally, she's a perfect girl. She's so beautiful. She's so happy. She's so vibrant. Like, she's so excited to see you, and she just needs to make, like, a small shift in, like, her choice of men, because there are plenty of men. Like, honestly, Craig comes to mind.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. Who would be. Who would love someone like that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Exactly. Like that, who just wants to be, like, up in a relationship.

[Claudia Oshry]

I was really for, like, he was pissing me off so much. It was so the definition of, like, love bombing. The second she's gone, like, you're back to being. It was so disappointing. And then just to see, like, everyone in the house, like, gassing him up.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And, like, that really annoyed me because I like to think of it in the context of, like, let's say last summer, Sierra was gone, and Wes then had a party and was flirting with girls in the house and girls at the party. Like, they all Would have defended Sierra. Now I know they barely know Lexi, but they're all like self proclaimed girls. Girls. Like when Amanda was like, they really like, oh my God, it was pissing me off.

[Jackie Oshry]

So underhanded. And I think they are getting credit for like even telling Lexi about.

[Claudia Oshry]

But it was Lindsay. It was Lindsay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And I just. Yeah. Every time she comes up, Jesse's like, we're exclusive now. And they're like, that's what you want. No, like be like, oh my God, that's so exciting. And he's like, you know, and he's expressing like reservations about like being a one woman man. And instead of like.

[Claudia Oshry]

And by the way, that's the type of behavior they're always like wanting from these guys when it comes to like Sierra. Right?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So now a girl in their house finally got like one of the guys to settle down and they're not championing it at all.

[Jackie Oshry]

His behaviors is on him. But they're just like not doing anything to help Lexi. Like not shepherding him in the right direction. And if he's gonna up, he's gonna up and whatever. But like, I just really don't feel like they're having her back or like really want this relationship to work out. And it's like, why not? No.

[Claudia Oshry]

And they wanted to work out for Sierra and Jesse, which is honestly like bad advice to Sierra.

[Jackie Oshry]

It is. It really.

[Claudia Oshry]

She should not be with him. She needs to stop dating men in the house.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And she's too good for them.

[Jackie Oshry]

And so is Lexi. But like, at least this wouldn't be like the fourth try.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, Lexi's new. You have to like on your first season, like, remember Paige and Carl Radkey? Like you kind of just like have to. It's like a rite of passage. And I actually think she liked him.

[Jackie Oshry]

Who? Lexi.

[Claudia Oshry]

Lexi.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, I think she liked Jesse adorable together. And I think that they would actually really be something because I think they're really compatible except for like Jesse's issues with this monogamy and horniness. Like what is. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And it is, it's really crazy. Like they weren't exclusive and they weren't having sex, but like they were like for every weekend up until this point, they've been sleeping in her bed together. So for the next weekend you to be like so shamelessly flirting with multiple girls. And then the toe sucking thing, like, it's so wrong of him. It's such like, I know you. I agree he's not a bad person, but it's such bad mean behavior. Like I'm sorry. At some point, like, your recklessness and hurting people, while that maybe not is your intention. Like, you're hurting people. You're. You're bad. No.

[Jackie Oshry]

And it's so immature. He's like 16 year old that has his first boner and, like, doesn't know where to stick it. Like, get yourself under control.

[Claudia Oshry]

Agreed. I happen to have loved the kickball. It reminded me of when the Jersey house my monadies. Like, I don't know what it is about reality stars playing competitive, like, intramure. It's brilliant. Like, I was laughing so hard when Paige caught the last ball. Like, and then like Wes catching that ball and like, literally breaking his neck. Like, I thought that was so funny. I need more of that.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, they, like, seriously whoops that team's ass.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, oh, and who were those people?

[Jackie Oshry]

You know when you do, like ZOG sports, like a.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I know, but this is televised. So, like, I think it just, like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Knew that it would be televised. But how shameful for them. Like, they didn't get one.

[Claudia Oshry]

They got their asses.

[Jackie Oshry]

Emerald cut, everything that they kicked. And literally the most. The LVP of this show, least valuable predator. Like, he doesn't forge any friendships with.

[Claudia Oshry]

The cast, but he's the MVP of kickball.

[Jackie Oshry]

He's using the house as a brothel. It's actually disgusting. And I think in a few weeks Sierra says something to him about it because it's like, gross. You're just bringing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Why are you here?

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, these people? Like, you're literally like a border just taking a room.

[Claudia Oshry]

And is it. Even though that is how, like, summer share houses are? That's like what the show is about now. I know it's like a family. They have dinner, whatever. But, like, usually people use it as a. They pay for a room, they go out, they bring girls back. Like, that's what a summer share house in the Hamptons is. But yes, I agree with you.

[Jackie Oshry]

Go get a summer sharehouse in the Hamptons. Don't be on bikes. And not that I even want to see these girls because, well, is it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Because, like, he's getting home so late and there's no time for them to sign a release. But, like, why is the identity of every single one of the girls. We don't even see a foot.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's a good. Probably they can sign releases, but even so, you could blur out their faces.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, when I think of like Jersey Shore, how, like so much of the show was like, them bringing back girls. Some of the girls faces were blurred. But a Lot of them obviously signed releases and, like, were part of the drama. We. I literally don't even see what these girls are wearing.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, I don't know. That's a really good point, because I.

[Claudia Oshry]

Feel like it's because they bring them back in the middle of the night, and the middle of the night footage is all the house cameras. It's not like cameramen, they go to sleep.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. But they could still blur their faces.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

So I don't know.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's weird.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's a good question.

[Claudia Oshry]

Now I want to talk about Carl, Lindsay, and Lil. Lil. Thank you. I can never remember her name. Jackie was texting me, like, her thoughts on Summer House. She's like, lil is so. I'm like, who is Lil? Like, like, I didn't realize that was her name. I'm sure. I think a lot of the sentiment is, like, well, Lindsay, like, we're beating a dead horse. You're pregnant. Why do you care? Like, whatever. I am. So with Lindsay on this, like, I will go running.

[Jackie Oshry]

How many babies I have. I will clear my name.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. No, not only that, like, letting him. He's been running around like, Paige, I haven't had sex with anyone in a year. Like, I'm so hard. Therapy, meanwhile, like, were you actually, you know this girl while you're engaged? So know it's not all, you know, cut and dry. You're like, this victim mentality is a little unwarranted, especially because you broke up with her.

[Jackie Oshry]

Don't forget that he broke up with her.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Don't forget that. But I just wonder, like, why he didn't get with Lil in the last six sooner. Like, so they even connected over the summer.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Of course he breaks up with Lindsay. And I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's like, he needed.

[Claudia Oshry]

A couple of months.

[Jackie Oshry]

But, like, why are they just reconnecting when cameras are out now?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. I don't know. And this soft bar party, I. First of all, it was such a nice party, like, with the big coach bus from the city. And he said he already invested a hundred thousand dollars of his own money. Like, I have such a pit. It's giving Schwartz and Sandy. It's like, no.

[Jackie Oshry]

And everyone in their confessionals was like, I will support Carl. I'm happy for Carl. This is good for Carl. And then they're obviously asked, like, do you think this is a good idea? And, like, in a polite way, they all say, no. And it's like, it's easy to be someone who's just A friend who has this doesn't affect them at all. And support someone's bad idea because who gives a fuck? Let them do whatever they want and get themselves in debt and you get.

[Claudia Oshry]

To come off of as a hero, like as being supportive.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

Whereas like if you actually care about.

[Jackie Oshry]

This person, if you are that person's partner, what are you supposed to do if you're getting married to this person who has an awful idea who's putting tons of money into it? You're really not allowed to say this is a bad idea, even though everybody thinks it. But it's like, I'm going to support your bad idea, but like that's what real is that. I'm asking like objectively, what's the right thing as a partner to do? Because I think it's as a partner.

[Claudia Oshry]

Who'S going to share finances with you. What Lindsay did was 100. Right. But then, but as, but I understand the friends being like, this is so not my problem. So yeah, sure.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't understand the friends for is for like not supporting Lindsay and saying this is a, like, you know, not just at least agreeing with her that like, yeah, that someone should tell him that this is a bad idea.

[Claudia Oshry]

And now we have the gift of hindsight because we know that this is one whole ass year ago and the bar still has not launched. The bar is now raising money from the fans, which is kind of like a really terrible sign. And it looks even stupider.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And when they were doing that clip of everybody talking about how happy they are for Carl that he's like found this thing that he's passionate about, I was like, damn, this make Lindsay look really, really bad. But then you're right. They were then obviously asked like a more leading question being like, do you think that this is a wise amount investment? And everybody in their own way said no. And I'm like, oh, okay, so we all agree that this is stupid. So you're actually like, you are being, you're being a safe friend, but you're not being a good friend, not being.

[Jackie Oshry]

A great friend like someone like. Because yeah, maybe he's having fun and feels purpose right now, but like in a few years when he's hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and doesn't have a next career move because he put all like, you didn't protect him from that moment.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. And him having a zoom call that like appeared to have eight people on it about ice. Like I felt really sad.

[Jackie Oshry]

That caught me sad as well.

[Claudia Oshry]

I, I think this is such a Stupid idea. And the thing is, is, like, people in the sober community also think it's a stupid idea. I think. Yes. I think a huge part of, like, reaching, you know, peak sobriety is being able to, you know, go out to dinner with somebody who's having a drink. Like, you need to be around it to assume that, like, your trigger is not going to come up in the world. You can't really be healed until you're at a place where you can confront it. So I think spaces like this, while they. They are really nice. It's not a consist. Good way to consistently live. Right. Like, only going to soft bars.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, that's true. And also, like, there should just be, like, elixirs like this at regular bars.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right? There are. They're mocktails.

[Jackie Oshry]

But like, with this one has, like, functional mushrooms and stuff. So, like, it's a mushroom bar.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. I. Is that sober?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Like, everything has functional mushrooms. Mushrooms.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. Okay. It's just. It's. It's like a train wreck. I don't know how this whole thing is gonna end, but watching it.

[Jackie Oshry]

It was also funny to see Jesse Solomon stuff being a goofball for a second and actually, like, flex his financial prowess when he was asked that question because he works in finance. And he was like, right. Bars are actually, like, a really hard.

[Claudia Oshry]

And that's when you sell alcohol with your big. It's your biggest money maker.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's like, okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

Also, he made me laugh.

[Jackie Oshry]

J.P. morgan.

[Claudia Oshry]

He made me laugh when he was sitting with Paige and someone else and they were asking if he had sex with Lexi. And he, like, obviously didn't want to say it, and there was, like, some random guy sitting next to him, and I was laughing so hard, but I also was like, why was that guy sitting there? Like, don't. They set the scene. It's like a private party. It's not like, why was that guy there?

[Jackie Oshry]

That was really funny. He's funny. I don't dislike him. I just, like, I want.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm. I am starting to really dislike him.

[Jackie Oshry]

Just, like, be a better, more mature person. Like, I don't know what.

[Claudia Oshry]

What.

[Jackie Oshry]

Why he's like this. If this is something. He'll always be this way if he has to grow out of it. But I do think he's, like, 30. I just, like, want him to, like, grow up.

[Claudia Oshry]

It was shocking to see Bailey.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know I forgot about her.

[Claudia Oshry]

She was. I think I. I literally don't even remember anything about her. I understand why they showed her, because she was a little bit necessary. She Was, like, moving good information. Right. She was. She was a necessary messenger. But I do think that might be the last we see of her. Like. Like, she's really only shown on an as needed basis.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think that's fine. Not everyone has to be, like, a main player.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. So the. There's also, like, theories that she was kicked off the show mid production.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah. But, like, the way she's functioning now works for me.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, fine.

[Jackie Oshry]

And then other main storyline, Craig and Paige are really coming apart.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, right. Oh, yeah. So when they were. When they announced in December that they broke up, it was like the most shocking thing. If I'd seen one clip of this show, I would not be surprised at all. Like, this is clearly a relationship where the wheels are coming off. And Andy keeps saying this every time on Watch Shaman's Live. And he's really right for repeating it. Like, it's shocking that Craig doesn't see because he's so in love with Paige that she, like, she has one foot out the door. Like, they are so not compatible at this moment. There was a time where they were compatible. People change and that's fine. And he is not, not seeing or feeling any of that. Like, even that conversation by the door.

[Jackie Oshry]

Wait, about the phone, when she was like, sit back.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, that was funny.

[Jackie Oshry]

And he was just, like, so earnest and like, wait, why am I sitting back?

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, no.

[Jackie Oshry]

And the thing is, they were stressing her out.

[Claudia Oshry]

If this was in a good. If they were in a good place, like, that would have been funny. But now it's, like, not funny. And then that conversation downstairs by the door in front of Jesse Solomon about, like, being a priority, I was like, oh, this is like a relationship. Like, you see. You know when you see people fighting in front of you and you're like, oh, yikes. Like, this is. I never thought that they were that type. But now the. Clearly, the last few months of their relationship were not good.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, but they have never acted this way on camera. Like, that's why.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because we hadn't seen any moments like this. Like, the thing about their relationship is that there was always such a good friendship. They liked each other so much. They were always genuinely laughing and smiling. And, like, that's why when the news came out, it was shocking because it's like, how do you walk away from, like, just a love. Like. Like that you love someone. Someone like that. And now they're very. Well, she's very much, like, falling out of love with him and into hate. And so.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. And she's so visibly annoyed with everything he does.

[Jackie Oshry]

And then there are also, like, big fundamental issues in their relationship. And I was putting together what she was saying because when her and Sierra were whispering and Sierra was covering her mouth.

[Claudia Oshry]

Secret hater. Secret hater.

[Jackie Oshry]

But she was saying, like, he said off camera that I can't say that my stuff is bigger than his. And Sarah was like, oh, my God. And I'm like, what do you mean bigger? Like, my podcast, whatever. But then it looks like in. In future episodes, she said, I'm the breadwinner. Why would I move? So what he said she couldn't said was that I make more money, more money than you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Even though I could have guessed that, like, at this. At this point in their careers, just, like, knowing what I know about, like, the media landscape, they probably make of money. He probably makes a little bit more from reality TV because he's been on longer. But in terms of, like, her brand deals, her podcast, her Amazon fashion, her influencer stuff, I know what you get paid for that. And she's rushing it.

[Jackie Oshry]

But it was like, starting to sound.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like Craig is broke, literally, even though.

[Jackie Oshry]

He'S, like, the most successful one on his.

[Claudia Oshry]

On his show. But she has really, like, out. She's. She's kind of having a moment that nobody has had before.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, he has, like, a company and that does really well, but it doesn't. Like, sometimes it takes a while before you see that money.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, yes, yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

You know, irons in the flame.

[Claudia Oshry]

Whereas, like, she does a brand deal. She gets 100k cash cycle. Yeah. Yeah. She literally has, like, she's liquid.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

He's more, you know, investments.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes.

[Claudia Oshry]

So, but yes, he's not poor by any means, but she's just crushing it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And that does change your relationship dynamic. When it was always like, well, of course Paige will move to Charleston. Craig's businesses are in. The show is Southern charm. And he has retail stores there. His partners are there.

[Claudia Oshry]

But even her show, summer house, like, you can live in Charleston and vacation in the Hamptons.

[Jackie Oshry]

Exactly. And. And her job is, like, more intern, like, remote, like podcasting and influencing and whatnot. But yeah, when she's the one who's making more money, like, why would you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Then shake it up and, like, you.

[Jackie Oshry]

Do call the shots. And now he's in a relationship where he's not calling the shots. And, like, that's not the relationship that he entered into. That's a major dynamic shift.

[Claudia Oshry]

They have individually changed a lot. Lot. And it has. Sometimes that benefits your relationship, and sometimes it Destroys it. And I think we're seeing the destruction.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. It's, like, really getting awkward. I don't. Does he come back again this summer? I feel like. No, he.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't think so.

[Jackie Oshry]

But what was interesting was that Lexi never met Craig.

[Claudia Oshry]

You think that they're a good match?

[Jackie Oshry]

I do think they're a good match.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, I actually think Paige would champion that. Like, well, maybe not now, because it's, like, gotten contentious, but, like, it's, like, a little soon.

[Jackie Oshry]

But, like, remember when he said he couldn't date Rachel Kirk? And now because he met her with Matt and, like, you just, like, they met as friends, and, like, I know her, and I don't know her. Oh.

[Claudia Oshry]

But because he never met Lexi.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because he never met.

[Claudia Oshry]

Coast is clear. Even though he seems to be in a happy relationship, so.

[Jackie Oshry]

And I was happy about that until I had this revelation, because I think they would really be. So, like, all she wants is, like, love and affection and commitment, and that's like, what. Like. Like what he has, what he has in spades. And she wants to settle down, and he's, like, a romantic, and she's a romantic. Just say.

[Claudia Oshry]

Just. Just an idea.

[Jackie Oshry]

And they haven't. I don't think they've even met. I think they'll meet maybe at Bravocon. Sorry, I'm just thinking out loud.

[Claudia Oshry]

He has a girlfriend.

[Jackie Oshry]

They just got together.

[Claudia Oshry]

As far as we know.

[Jackie Oshry]

It couldn't have been that. Like, they just brought.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, but they've known each other for a while.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm just saying, like, a true life, if, you know, Natalie Buffett can withstand his meeting of, like, Lexi, like, and they can stay together. Great. But I'm just saying. Can I just have an option?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, of course. Ideate.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I want love for Lexi. I'm really heartbroken for her. I was gonna cry.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know. I know. And she probably was, like, so embarrassed to find out, like, information on camera. Like, you have to.

[Jackie Oshry]

And it's like a temper.

[Claudia Oshry]

Your reaction.

[Jackie Oshry]

Ew.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. And it's like, it kind of. Honestly, I'm glad it was the toe sucking, because something like that can give you the ick. And you know what? That's the easiest way to get over someone. Like, they did something gross.

[Jackie Oshry]

But it's like imagining you, my. Your dream guy. He's in love with you. He's obsessed with. You've been together three weeks. Like, it's a whirlwind romance, and in one afternoon at kickball, like, people are telling you things that in that moment, it's Like, I have no idea who this person is. This person is a liar.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. I want to shout out to Lindsay for being like an actual, real one.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

She has no, like, real stake in this. She's not super close with any of the girls besides Gabby. So, like, she has information and she's a reality star and she's given it. I'm sorry. I love her. Like, like, her scenes are so funny. When she said that she couldn't make it to the soft bar launch party because she's having her nursery painted and then she has to watch the paint dry. Funny. She's so funny.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's so funny. Did you see Andy was talking about her being on Roni?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like the rumor. The possibilities are becoming more real. Not that it's happening yet, but like, they know that that's what we want.

[Claudia Oshry]

We. She is a great reality star. I don't know if how much longer really her life can fit into Summer House. And we're getting so little of her. Like, like, it doesn't behoove her. It doesn't behoove us. And she. It's okay to like, grow out of things. And, you know, someone on this show needs to like, grow up. It's not going to be the 43 year old Kyle, so maybe it'll be Lindsay. And I think that's just what Roni needs. And I think it's just what she needs. I think it's a great idea.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I think it's definitely worth trying. Right? Like, it's better than some unknown. It's like art. Do they make good tv?

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. We know she has a proven track record.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And Andy did not dispute. He said, I've seen a lot of people saying that like, like Paige and Lindsay should be on Roni. And he said that he didn't think Paige would be on it. But he did not say that about Lindsay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I don't think Paige should be on it.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't think Paige should be on it. And he said about Lindsay, like, they. I think it. It might require a lot of paperwork because she's probably with one product. It's all like. Even though it's a Bravo, like, it's all different. It's probably not that easy. Don't just like jump. But agreed. I think it's worth pursuing and they're looking into it. So that's good.

[Claudia Oshry]

That is good. That's our show, you guys. Our final show of the week. I hope everybody has been able thus far to get merch if they haven't head to shoptastmerch.com we have a bunch of items still available and if any of your favorite items are not available, they are available for pre order. So they'll just ship in five to six weeks. Thank you so much for listening to the Toast, the Monday morning show where we deliver the Fast 5 stories you need to every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please don't forget to subscribe and give us video thumbs up. We're also available as Podcast Ever Podcast Me found that Spotify, itunes, Stitcher, Public Radio, Castbox. All the places I've listen to podcast five star review about a beautiful, better, stunning and about how wickedly talented we are.

[Jackie Oshry]

Love ya. Bye.