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Good morning, girlies.
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It's the Toast.
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It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.
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It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.
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They sound amazing.
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Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Monday. The air is clear. So are our hearts and minds. Welcome to the Toast.
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Hey, co Jerna. Fred.
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What'd you just do? Okay, so, like, yesterday, Ben and I were in town, and for those who
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don't know, I did half a hard.
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Half a hardhead, which is like, what the kids do.
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Oh, is that what the kids do? Because I sort of made it my own thing, and I. I just thought it could be like, a Toaster Bat signal.
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I did it yesterday. I felt, like, so young. I was, like, walking through town, and somebody drove by in the car, and they're like, turdi, we love you. And, like, I was just kind of overwhelmed, so I didn't know what to do. So I was like, heart. It was so, like, it's a toaster.
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Young kids do.
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No, they do their, like, blood hands.
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Yeah. But no, what's the other one where it's like.
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No, it's. It's like this.
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Yeah. So they go like this. They go like. Yeah. No, no, no.
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This is the millennial chuggy version. And then this is the Toaster in the wild Bat Signal.
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It was so, like, I was hoping the person, like, recording if you have that video, like, post it.
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I was like, so cute.
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So cute. Happy Monday. Hope everybody had a great weekend. It was kind of a crazy weekend in a sense. Like, it rained a lot, so I actually watched a lot of that. I need to talk about you guys.
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I started off campus. I feel like that has to be the headline news.
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Absolutely.
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Headline news.
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I'm afraid I haven't really spoken to you about it.
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I told you a little bit. And I didn't get to watch that much because I'm actually, like, embarrassed because I didn't start it with Zach.
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You can't watch it in front of another person.
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No. Like, and if we had started it together, then, like, we're on this journey together. No, but, like, now I can't just, like, play it and have him see what this is. So I sort of got stuck duck. And I can't press play.
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What are you up to?
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Literally this. I'm on the episode called the Orgasm.
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Oh. And that's like, episode three or four. Like.
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Yeah. And she got to his house, and I can't just press play.
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Right now. Also, like, you're about to reach, like, a very pivotal scene for reasons, like,
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it's not what you think, like, plot driven, but also, like, if I just press play and he sits down to watch a scene about, like, a girl
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being as heavy, it's horrifying.
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I just. How can I explain myself?
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I told you, I watched the entire show over the course of, like, two separate nights where Ben was playing basketball with your husband. Like, you can't watch in front of.
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No, I think if we had started together, we'd be, like, on this journey together, and there would be, like, no judgment from each other because, like, it's 50. 50.
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No, but, like, you were the one who suggested it, so there's, like, more, I guess.
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70.
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30.
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So here's my thing with the show. I want to like the show so badly because it's everything that I love as I knew that it would be. College campus cuties love romance. Like, feel good. This couple does not give me butterflies like Ellen Miles do.
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Okay?
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I'd hate to be the type of person who watches a porno and then, like, complains about porn, but, like, the plot is not strong enough. Like, this deal that they have so that she could, like, talk to Justin, and he's gonna literally upend his whole life to help her talk to Justin to work on his oral of Kierkegaard. Like, it's just not strong enough. So every time he, like, goes above and beyond, like, holds her hand and, like, does the most to fake their relationship, I'm, like, the. The core reason isn't there.
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So it's a very common trope in, like, smut, which is, like, romance. And I think that maybe because, like, you don't read a lot of, like, fake boyfriend, that it, like, seems kind of stupid. And, like, it is stupid, but if you're, like, immersed in the world, like, classic. It's a classic trope.
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But even in Elle, they did, like, a fake boyfriend episode, and it worked. And, like, they. They dropped it after, like, the jig was up and, you know, they didn't have to go and prove this, like, big, huge thing. And, like, she's already, like, working with Justin on music. Like, you guys, like, the Kierkega Guard ghosting exam. So, like, they could just drop it.
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They do eventually.
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Well, so that's my issue is that, like, they're not tethered in, like, a strong enough way, and the plot, like, isn't strong enough. But I really do want to like it. Garrett Graham. Garrett Graham.
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He's a Cutie.
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Now. He's cute. She's cute. I like that she's so bubbly.
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She's Kate Middleton in the Crown.
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And I just. I, like, want to like it even more, but I. Maybe I just have to watch more.
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So my experience was, like, around the third or fourth episode, I, like, stopped watching. Was like, yeah, it's like, corny book. Whatever. You just have to be in the right headspace for it. I feel like maybe I was Ludal. And then when you get to follicular, like, you're open to it because I did stop around where you were. I'm like, oh, this is, like, silly,
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but I don't want to stop it. Except for my embarrassment.
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No, you should keep going.
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I am in the right headspace because I just watch Ellen. I'm like, I would love to watch, like, a young romance. Like, nice looking people. All the hockey players are so cute.
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So cute. And then, like, they all eventually, like,
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one of them, the ones who, like, fixes up cars and obviously likes her.
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So I want to hear some lore about him. I didn't know. First of all, he has, like, a huge Broadway background. He's, like, an amazing. I just saw a video of him singing the national anthem at, like, a football game. He is the former boyfriend and kind of the subject of all of what's her name? Renee Rapp's, like, popular music is about him. And I'll dance with your ghost in the living room. It's about him.
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He's a major cutie.
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He's a major cutie. He does start to piss me off. Like, you'll see when they get to, like, the charity event, it's like, okay, we get it.
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Like, he obviously likes her. That's, like, not gonna work. We have now three people liking her.
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Yeah.
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And. And two days ago, no one.
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She was, like, a nerd who, like, took off his glasses.
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Meanwhile, she looked the same old time. She had those jugs. The who?
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The jugs? Yeah. Yeah.
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She's 18. Okay, so you're saying, like, watch. What?
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No, I'm. I just. I didn't know if you Knew she was 18. She's, like, much younger than every actress herself. Yeah.
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No. Why? I. I wouldn't know that.
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She's much younger than everyone and they're all like, 24, 25. She's younger than all of them.
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Got it.
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So I think that's why she doesn't do any nudity.
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Well, that's always funny when it's like, a nude show and then the lead sex in the City doesn't do it.
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We never saw them titties on Carrie Bradshaw. Not once.
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But like, Sex and the City was also a show. Like, this is a. A porno.
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But I will say he was also like, a porno.
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True. But I will say, considering how much everyone said it's like, so sex, like, you'd be embarrassed to watch it. Like, don't watch it on an airplane. There's actually not. There's a couple of montages because when you have like, an enemies to lovers or a fake dating relationship, you actually don't get to like the sex until 80%. So they start putting in all these wet dreams just to like, it's true at the audience.
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It's so true.
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But so, yeah, it's actually not that much porn.
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Porn. No, it's more corn than porn. Like, it's really corny at times.
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Yes. I don't mind the corn.
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Me neither.
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Just so you know, I just want it to be, like, a little more real.
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I will say I had a similar experience. Keep going with it. I think you will end up liking it a lot.
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I think so too. It has all the makings, all the
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things that I watch. Something that had all the makings of something we both would like. I watched Five Star Weekend. I still have, like, two more episodes, but feeling so torn. First of all, it's all coming. I'm remembering so much about the book, and I kind of feel like the show's better off if you don't know the big twist. Because really the show isn't good enough if you already know, you know. And the thing. It's like an Ellen Hildebrandt book. It's supposed to be all about Nantucket. Like, what Ellen Hildebrand does so good is, like, she builds this magical world about Nantucket. I've never. I mean, I've actually been to Nantucket once, but I don't even remember. Yeah, we went. But, like, they really make Nantucket a character in the house. And, like, they're just not doing that at all. Like, I don't know if it's on a set or if they really film in Nantucket. But, like, it's so not Nantuckety. I'm like, give me the. There's no vibes. There's no aura. Like, I remember when I watched that show Sirens. I'm like, I hated it, but I loved that house. Like, we don't even see Jennifer Garner's house. But a lot of the characters are growing on me. And I'm remembering, like, a lot of the plots between the different characters. I do think you would really like it. It's so corny. It's like, literally a Hallmark movie in a show. I don't know why they had to make it, like, corny. Like, that Jennifer Gardner, like, is actually, like Gardner. Yeah. She's being, like, like, not a good actress. I don't know if she's, like, doing it on purpose, but it's, like, very corny. Very, like J. Lo and office romance. It's actually good. I can't decide. I love Duran, and I love that freaky mom from Wellesley.
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I would say if a. Wellesley.
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Wellesley.
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Wellesley. Hey, Wellesley. I would say if you're not disliking it, that it's good. That's the bar nowadays. Yeah. If you're confused on if you like
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it or not, it's good not to be that girl. Like, maybe it's just because I read the book.
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I mean, that literally is always the case. Like, not even, like, being facetious.
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Like, it's just like, all of Elden Ellen Hildebrand's book. Even if, like, the bad ones, like, they're all pargy. Right. They all have, like, that very nautical, beachy. I don't really feel like they're doing a good job of, like, world building. Not to be, like, such a narc, but, like, make it more pargy, more aesthetic, give me more vibes, give me the ocean.
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Like, that happened with Perfect Couple also. And I think it's because they don't film on Nantucket. And maybe because they can't film on Nantucket, but if you can't film on Nantucket, like, don't adapt the books.
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Agreed. Because Nantucket is a character in all the books. And I just feel like it's, like, weird. Yeah, it's fine. It's good. It's good. It's good. I didn't realize that, like, that miserable friend Tatum is Chloe Sevigny. She's so random. I saw her in the. On, like, Good Morning America talking about it, and she was, like, kind of being rude. The anchor was like, what's it like for you to do something so mainstream? Like, you always pick, like, really artsy or whatever. And she was like, I did it as a gift to my mom. Because, like, my mom is always. People are asking, like, what's your daughter in? And she only knows what she's talking about. And then she goes to the grocery store now, and everyone knows what she's talking about. But she said in, like, a really, really disrespectful way. I was like, do you hate the project?
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I just want to say. One, I think that's a pretty good answer. Two, it's kind of a rude question. Yes. But three, a good question.
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Well, Chloe. Seven. You was like, I didn't. When I got the script, I was like, I don't know if, like, my fans are gonna get this or, like, this, because, like, it's so different from what I usually do. So she did, like, open.
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Okay. She opened it up for us to be like, you're criticist, you're weird, and this is cool. Yeah.
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Why are you doing weird?
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Yeah. Yeah. But it is a good question. So, like.
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Because she's.
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Congrats.
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Random congrats on the cajones. For what I've ever seen her in. But, like, I know her.
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Yeah.
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She's like, a classic.
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Not a classic.
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She's like a Nepo.
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She's just around.
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Yeah. So. Yeah. Did I watch anything else? No. I didn't get into any more L. Ben and I restarted Mad Men. No more L. No more L. Like, I'm not drawn to it.
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That's really sad.
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Excuse me. Oh, my God.
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Bless you. You didn't get to a place yet, though, where, like, you could really call it.
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Well, so Ben and I were sitting
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down for a show. I won't torture you.
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And he was like, l came up because we were on Prime Video. He's like, what's that? I'm like, oh, it's like a prequel show. He was like, I would watch that. I was like, okay, but we have to start episode two. I'm not re Watching episode one.
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And I agreed with you.
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And he was like, well, I don't want to start a show from the second episode. I'm like, okay, well, then we're in a standstill. He, like, wanted to watch.
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It's Ben's fault.
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Yeah. Just, like, miss one episode. I could explain to you, and not a lot happened.
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Yeah.
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I fell asleep in the middle of the second one.
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Like, I. I didn't realize it was Ben's fault.
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That's crazy that you didn't realize.
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Actually, I'll be speaking with him. Forth with.
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Always is forthwith.
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I'll be speaking.
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What else can we tell everyone?
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Our butterflies haven't hatched yet. They're still cocooning.
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Congrats to Spin.
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Spin. Oh, my God. I didn't know what you said. Yeah. We have World cup story. Okay, we'll get into the stories.
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I tried so hard. Like, I meant I can't believe the World cup is over. And I actually cumulatively watched like 10 minutes of the whole thing. It's like, I really meant to get involved.
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We watched a bit yesterday. Like, we tried. We did, like, you know, it was the topic of the day. We were out and they were playing it, so, like, of course they were playing it everywhere. Stood and watched it for, like, three minutes. Then in the car on the way home, we listened to the game and that was really fun for everyone.
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So old school. Yeah.
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And then the halftime show came up. I was like, thank God.
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Yeah, right?
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Music makes the people come together. Meanwhile. Oh, we were listening to exact. It was on the radio. And I see that he has his phone watching it.
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Were you driving?
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No, he was in the front and I was in the third row. So, like, he was able to see. But I listened to the halftime show as an audio only experience.
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Like a podcast.
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Like a podcast. And then we came home and we finished watching the game.
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And they lost the team that you were rooting for?
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We were rooting for Argentina. At the end of the day, that's where our loyalties lie.
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Congrats.
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Who's been. I guess we'll get into it.
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Yeah, we're gonna get into it.
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Should we get into it?
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I guess. Like, what else can we talk about before? Like, just want to make sure we're, like, fully caught up.
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I feel.
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I feel caught up too.
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Yeah.
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The skies have cleared, thankfully.
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That was really crazy. Like, Canada. You're unnoticed big time. Like, that's not good neighborly behavior.
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Did that when the California wildfires happen, did that happen to, like, in Mexico? Probably.
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I don't know if it happened in Mexico, but yeah, definitely. The surrounding areas, like, experienced a lot of smokiness, but that's not very neighborly. I just want to say it's not
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a thing a neighbor would do.
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No, not a good neighbor. Hey, how about that, right? Without further ado to do to do it is time for the Fast 5 stories that you do need to know.
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No, Jackie, I get it. And real toasters knows. Guys, research the kingdom. You do not have to live like that if you're constantly bouncing between apps just to find something to listen to. There's a better way. It's Amazon Music. I'VE been using Amazon Music Unlimited because it has all my music, music, podcasts and now audiobooks all in one place. So it's made things so much easier. And speaking of audiobooks, I finally started Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir on there.
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No, you can. It's a long year, you know. Our first story, FIFA World cup final game yesterday in New Jersey.
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I did not see a minute of it.
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Like, Argentina versus Spain. Spain one one zero. Sad for Lionel Messi.
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It's crazy that people, like watched a game that was like many hours long to see one goal.
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Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. It was a fierce competition and Justin Bieber, Madonna, BTS and Shakira divided the World cup audience with what some say was an underwhelming halftime show.
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What I heard was that it was just like a little, like a lot.
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A little. A lot.
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Yeah, it was like a little all over the place.
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Well, so from. I think my thing is like, so they picked like five artists. And truly these artists worked in a silo. Right. Madonna came out. She left. Sank her way through.
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That's our girl.
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Then BTS did a performance of Dynamite, which stellar choice. Just stellar. Now that is a global hit. I guess. So is like music. So is music by Madonna. But when we were listening to the audio only version in the car and Zach and I were saying, like, this song is just so good.
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It is.
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And I don't know why it doesn't get played at more weddings.
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I feel like it does.
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And he said this should be A wedding song. Like, I feel like it is. And then we're thinking back, I'm like, I guess I haven't heard it at a wedding. If you're having a wedding, Add dynamite
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to walk down the aisle to dynamite.
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Add dynamite to the playlist. Right?
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It's a real crowd pleaser. It's just, like, joyful.
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It's so good. So happy to see. Well, here the boys, then they went to Ted Lasso presenting Justin Bieber.
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So Jason, that's like, Americans only know soccer from Ted Lasso.
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Okay, so he, like, made a cameo and he presented Justin Bieber, who sang Hallelujah.
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Right.
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Which is not the vibe. I know. I'm always very happy to see Justin Bieber, like, successfully complete a performance and sound good and look good and feel good. So, like, bring home a check to
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that wonderful family of his.
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I'm not going to criticize. And that song is huge right now. Everything. Hallelujah.
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Yeah. You should have done this. Just take it. Time, honey.
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I get it. I get it. I get it.
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I love that.
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No, I'm sorry. You know what he should have done, because this song is like. I don't know why it feels like it's being played more than ever.
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Beauty and a beauty.
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Yeah.
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Where was I? Just.
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We were just at the fair.
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Oh, it's like a children's fair, let me tell you. Like, and they obviously played the clean version, but, like, I was.
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Didn't play the clean versions of songs. Like, they played California Girls and Snoop Dogg said all that ass hanging out looked at each other. You're kidding.
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Like, all that. What? Hanging out? That's crazy. No, Beauty and a Beat is a timeless song. And, like. Yeah. BTS sang a song from five years ago.
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Yeah.
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Works for me.
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Yeah. So, I mean, they can't.
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He can't really sing that song to completion for.
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Because he's got to keep an eye
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out for Selena and, like, nobody wants to bring on, like, that crazy energy.
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But if. If Nikki didn't come and do it with him and he just does it and, like, skips the bridge.
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Like the rap part.
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Yeah, we could do it anyways. There are so many songs of his that he could have sang. The Hallelujah song is actually very viral.
B
Like, yeah, it's so popular.
A
Everyone is
B
like, I saw, like, it was, like, a bright, colorful, like, big thing I saw. People were crying because it was just like, very emotional. Like, you know, so many people from so many different countries all coming together, and it's like. Yeah, that's just like, A random slow song.
A
Yeah. It's just too slow. Then Cole. Oh, Shakira. I think Shakira won the halftime show.
B
I agree.
A
She did what she was called to do. Correct.
B
Like, the vibes, like, the aesthetic, the dancing, the energy. All, like, what you would come to expect from the FIFA World cup halftime show.
A
Yes.
B
And then.
A
Oh, and at some point, the Muppets were there.
B
Okay.
A
And then Coldplay and the children's choir, and it wasn't really amazing. Like, it looked amazing, but I don't know what song they sang.
B
And Jennifer Hudson singing the national anthem.
A
But that was not in the halftime.
B
No, no, I know, but, like, she did exactly what we thought she was gonna do.
A
But the Coldplay, like, what was that song? Well, I don't even know what it's called.
B
I feel like Coldplay has, like, a lot of, like. Like, really emphatic fans. I've never been, like, I have no problem with Coldplay. They're lovely people. And, of course, viva la vida. I'm always saying viva la vida. I just, like. And people, like, go to their concerts and, like, do ayahuasca, and it's, like, a really meaningful thing. I never really, like, got into it. I. I like the beat, of course, but they don't. But. But I think, like, when they perform, like, people can't criticize it. It's like, here. Religious experience.
A
I'll go.
B
Yeah.
A
What the was that song like? Sing viva la vida.
B
Sing sky full of stars fix you. Yeah, well, those actually don't sing fix you yellow.
A
Sing fix you yellow. Like, I'll be brought to my knees for a fix you yellow.
B
That's true. And, like, the whole show doesn't have to be, like, upbeat the whole time. Like, we can have, like, a moment,
A
like, if we have the children. Lights will guide you home. And it's little kids, and they're holding candles. Like, I'm sad for that.
B
Oh, wait, also, there was a lot of celebrities there. Did you see Jay Z's major transformation?
A
No.
B
He looked so different. Like, obviously, Beyonce was like, yeah, Beyonce was like, it's time. Like, your dad bod. Like, because he looked so fit.
A
But he was just at the party, and he looked like Jay Z, I think.
B
Wait, what party?
A
Are you talking about Michael Rubin? Yeah.
B
I think that was where he debuted his new look. We didn't get to talk about on the toes, but, like, he looks. He looks like a young J. Like, he looks really good. I'm happy for him. Yeah.
A
That's nice. Kylie and Timothy were there And Timothy, like, brought out the game ball. The World cup was just, like a mishmash. It was celebrity and clout chasing and, like, just, I guess it's cool. And I'm never gonna be mad that Timothy brought out the game ball, which made Kylie go to the World cup and kiss, which she's being heavily criticized for. Kiss on camera because her grandmother died. You guys don't give about mj. Kylie does. If that's how she wants to heal, let her.
B
You guys don't give a About mj.
A
Like, I don't. You don't know.
B
It's not your grandma.
A
Right. Like, the idea that, like, people are saying, oh, you should be grieving.
B
You care more about MJ than Kylie does. It's like, MJ would want Kylie to go kiss her boyfriend at the FIFA World Cup.
A
100.
B
Like, because that was what they keep saying about MJ. Like, she was like, her whole legacy is just, like, life and love and, like, yeah, go, life, love.
A
And, like, if it's not the funeral.
B
Right.
A
What do you want her to do?
B
Like, hang around. Right.
A
That's not what MJ would want.
B
No. No.
A
And what are you accusing her of not loving or caring about her grandma? We know that's not true.
B
It's a major accusation.
A
And we know it's not true because we know her. And you should trust your faves. I'm sick of this.
B
Absolutely.
A
I'm sick of this. Like, please, please. Disgusting.
B
100.
A
And they kissed. Like, you're welcome.
B
Thanks, MJ.
A
Thank you. For real? Yeah.
B
She was probably, like, so overcome. She needed support, so she got a kiss.
A
Yeah. She was wearing all black.
B
It's actually really crazy how long they've been together.
A
I know.
B
Like, they're a real couple. They're a couple that feels like a real couple.
A
One, of course.
B
Like, I'm sort of waiting now for next steps.
A
I am waiting for another step to be taken.
B
Yeah.
A
Whether that's an engagement or a child.
B
Speaking of things we're waiting for, still no Taylor Swift wedding pictures. And I'm starting to think, like, maybe we won't get them.
A
Perhaps. But you know what? That's a great segue to our next.
B
The wedding pictures. We did get.
A
The wedding pictures we did get this weekend. First up, on Friday, we got Paige Lorenzo. Excuse me, Paige Paul. Nay, Lorenz.
B
I love. First of all, when, like, a girl, like, the night of her wedding decides that she's going by Lauren Lane, like, I don't even remember when she was Lauren Bushnell. And sometimes you just Get a really good married name, like Lauren Lane. So cute. Paige Paul. So cute. Like, I love when girls just, like, dive in. Change Instagram. So, like, I'm gonna have to start calling her Paige Paul.
A
Yeah.
B
I, like, have a hard time moving on from, like, women's maiden names.
A
It's the feminist. I feel like you'll be okay moving on from Lauren.
B
Absolutely. It was kind of, like, the worst thing about Paige Lorenz, like, being her number one fan was her sharing a last name with my mortal enemy.
A
So this is beautiful.
B
Yeah, totally. If I didn't even put that together.
A
Yeah. Paige Paul dropped the wedding photos with a Vogue exclusive on Friday. So they got married last week at Old Westbury Gardens in Long Island. The bride wore custom Carolina Herrera. The groom, more Burberry.
B
The bride wore custom Carolina Herrera and did, like, a whole video series of with the fittings, like, with Wes Gordon himself. I'm sorry. That's, like, so iconic for an influencer, whatever you want to call her. I don't even know what the hell she is. She's like, a mega whatever. But, like, I'm sorry, when I saw Wes Gordon, I was like, oh, my God. Like, it's a real Carolina, not, like, off the rack.
A
Yeah.
B
No, a Wes Gordon original. Like, that's insane.
A
Yeah, that's insane. It is insane. The content and the rollout was 100 perfect. Not that you would expect anything else, but, like, you're also getting married, so it's, like, hard to also, like, get the pictures. Do the selects on all cylinders. Do the selects between Wednesday and Friday. And then they also. It's good that they did that fitting interview because she's, like, dressed, like, for her wedding. She's like, you know, has her hair and makeup done, but she doesn't have to do it on her wedding day. Like, talking about the dress selection.
B
Yeah. We got, like, a bunch of photos. We got a couple of videos, like, of them at their rehearsal dinner. Her dress was insane. It was, like this strapless, like, a very interesting different neckline with a drop. Like, it was so classic drop waist. I don't know what I was expecting because, like, she is a sort of, like, modern woman, you know? But it was oddly, like, traditional ball gown. She looked.
A
And she's traditional, and her aesthetic is, like, very, like, cottage. So it was like, she could have gotten so many different directions. And I'm sure it's also a lot of pressure. A thousand. Because, like, the bar is so high for her.
B
Yeah.
A
And she met it.
B
She had two outfit changes. Right. I Saw her and then like a halt or very Megan Markle second dress.
A
Yes. With like a big bow on the tush. And then she also said the bow comes off. And then she changed into like a mini dress. A Weeterhoff mini dress.
B
So cute. We got so many pictures. We got confirmation that Olivia Jade was there with Taylor Fritz. Like, it was genuinely too much. It was genuinely too much. And I feel like this is something I personally had FOMO from. Like, I saw the pictures. It looked like such a regular wedding. Like a bunch of like just friends dancing and drinking. Obviously it was like very high budget regular wedding. But it didn't look so like over
A
the top or like a lot.
B
I think a lot of celebrity weddings are like so formal and weird and like everyone doesn't know each other and it's just like, not like, like your friend from college's wedding, which is like always so much fun. It just looked fun. Yeah, fun like her with her beer showing, throwing her bouquet.
A
Yeah. And like not huge in terms of people.
B
No, they did like an aerial shot. I would say like 150 max.
A
No, I think this wedding is like, it's the Sofia Richie wedding of this year.
B
Or of like the influencers.
A
No, in terms of like setting the trend. And I feel like this is more of like a regression in terms of like sort of stripping back, you know, it was very like Monk's nature. It wasn't like razzmatazz. I think her getting it in before Taylor, like, if you're following wedding trends. Yeah. I feel like she's. This is going to be a trend of just like a classic traditional wedding.
B
Do you think that we're gonna get Taylor picks? Like, I'm just now starting to feel like maybe we won't.
A
Yes, I do.
B
And why wait so long?
A
I like, they're not coming in any like sort of of IG dump or whatever. But also you don't think we're getting
B
like a Instagram dump? How would else would we get it?
A
No. Music video, Something.
B
Music video?
A
Yeah, like something different. Maybe in a couple months. Like it's not like coming any minute.
B
Yeah.
A
But also, like, I was actually feeling like overwhelmed for Paige and then also for Taylor. Like you wake up from your wedding day, you have to sort through all these photos, edits, etc, approvals, send this to this publication. Like, it's a lot of like, like logistical work and Taylor's run out the clock. She has. But like, it does take a week and Paige turned it around really quickly. No.
B
And when you have a. An Event that's full of influencers, celebrities. Like people just take pictures sitting on their hands.
A
No one's posting because they're waiting for you to post. But like, if you take too long to post, then the other influencers aren't going to post like that much. Two weeks from set date. They have their own content.
B
It's very tight.
A
But she got in under the window and I said by end of week and she got it in by end of week. Because when it gets into the next week, like, like, of course we're on to next week's business, the World cup, etc.
B
She got that Vogue exclusive.
A
And she got the Vogue exclusive.
B
She got that Vogue exclusive.
A
Very beautiful. And I heard it was also very like emotional. Tommy was crying.
B
Love.
A
Yeah, love. So like love was in the air. I think Remy caught the bouquet.
B
I think, I think she did too.
A
I think I saw them gave it to someone. I don't know if it was a known person. They were like fighting over the bouquet and then.
B
Lol. Have you ever caught a bouquet?
A
I feel like yes.
B
I feel like I can't remember a time where I've been to a wedding where they threw the bouquet. It's like not a. Is. It's not done at like every wedding, is it? No.
A
It's like a cute thing to do.
B
No, it's so cute. But I think most of the weddings I have been to are like modern orthodox and like that's not a thing.
A
But although I don't know why, literally
B
I can't remember a time where I've ever seen a bouquet being thrown.
A
It might be, it's towards the end of the night. Like you might not be always leaving early. The dance floor for sure. Yeah, you're gone.
B
One thing about me, I'm leaving.
A
I do think I caught the bouquet once and that was exciting. But it's a lot of pressure.
B
And it worked.
A
And it worked. Yeah, it's a lot of pressure that everyone's looking at you or I guess
B
maybe like you're not supposed to stand there if you're already married. So maybe that's.
A
I've been married since I'm 12. It's more so that maybe that's it. Yeah, it's more so that. Our next story is some more wedding news. Maddie Healy and Gabriette Bechtel married in a star studded LA wedding at Madonna's former estate. So Matty Healy, the 1975 frontman and his model fiance, now wife Gabriette Bechdel. And I just looked and I Don't think she's related to the Bechtel test.
B
Yeah, I was thinking that too.
A
They got married this weekend at Madonna's former LA estate. Some aerial photos dropped. You know, that's exactly what Taylor didn't want to happen. We haven't gotten the official photos yet. And they look very happy.
B
It's like very aesthetically them. Like, you know her. Okay. Her dress was made by. I'm sure you saw the recent Odyssey premiere where's in day a war like that. Sick. And I saw an interview. It's a brand called, like, Matthias, which is Fecal Matter. That's the name of the brand. That's what Gabriette wore too. Fecal Matter.
A
Well, that makes sense for Gabriette, but
B
like, why is that the name of your company?
A
I don't know.
B
Doody.
A
I don't know. I'm just gonna say it's like above my pay grade. Like, I don't understand.
B
She wore duty. The bride wore a dress by duty. It was star studded with like, that particular corner of Hollywood that, like, I don't like.
A
Yeah.
B
1975 Crew Stoss was there. Sauce, baby, baby styles.
A
I think Stoss is a grand old time.
B
Yeah.
A
Everybody wants to be around her and invite her to their affairs.
B
I think we can confirm there was zero crossover in terms of people who were invited to both weddings. It is really crazy that, like, I guess after this, like, decades long, tawdry relationship that Taylor and Matty Healy had,
A
they both got married, got married in
B
the same week, but also like the next relationship after each other, like, was the one.
A
Yeah. Well, I do feel like Taylor not to say, not to like, disparage their relationship at all because these two seem like two peas in a pod. But I do think Taylor put him on notice a little bit, like, sort of calling out his behaviors. Oh, maybe that like, like, you know, he wants to prove her wrong and so the next one is gonna be the one.
B
Maybe. Yeah, baby. It's just weird. Like, what are the odds?
A
Yeah. It's also crazy that, like, this was the life that at one point Taylor wanted for herself. Like, this vibe, this energy.
B
Yeah.
A
It's people, it's.
B
I mean, it's.
A
And instead she wound up having like, the biggest glamorous.
B
Like, this is so, like, artsy cigarette.
A
Yeah. Except like, like the actual ceremony is like, not very traditional.
B
It does.
A
It's not really artsy cigarette. No.
B
But their whole vibe.
A
Oh, and everyone wore black.
B
Oh, yes. The dress code was like funeral esque. The dress aesthetic was like it was, like, shredded at the bottom and had, like these big bell seats, like, very. What's her name? Victoria Wednesday Adams. Mom. Morticia. Very Morticia. Which is like her thing. She has, like, pale skin and dark
A
hair, but also the hair.
B
And Taylor went. I know. We don't know what her.
A
But also the hair.
B
Very Amy Winehouse.
A
Very Teresa Giudice.
B
Yes. Inspo pick. So we don't know what Taylor's vibe was, but based on what we know about her, it was like very grand. Romantic love story.
A
Princess, fairy tale, castle. Yeah. Raffles, chanel bags.
B
So if she did end up getting with married to Maddie Healy, like, what would the vibe have been?
A
Her life would be completely different.
B
It would be so dark physically, I mean, like, like literally.
A
But these two are perfect together.
B
Agreed.
A
Mazel tov. There's a lid for every pot, 1,000%. And I have no doubt in their love.
B
They're together forever.
A
Well, I don't know about that because they're famous. People in life happens and things get crazy, but I have no doubt in their love.
B
Yeah. You know, and their compatibility.
A
Yes. Yes. So mazel tov to all the weddings. I guess it's wedding season.
B
Oh, yeah. It's butterfly season. I'm finding my wings. Yeah. I guess it is wedding season.
A
Yeah. We've had a lot this month. Very exciting.
B
Yeah. Mazda tough. To all the happy couples.
A
Our next story is very interesting. I don't know if you've seen this yet, but a report has come out about the Love Island USA season eight contracts.
B
Oh, no, I didn't see this.
A
Yes.
B
So I just saw that Melanie had her hair picked.
A
I saw.
B
People are saying it's a breakup haircut.
A
I. I think it's like a wig.
B
No, it's like a breakup hairstyle. Yeah.
A
Yeah. She's just, like, doing something different.
B
Yeah.
A
No, but people were talking about Kenzie on Dancing with the Stars. Right. Oh, and Hollywood Reporter put out an article saying A Love Island USA season 8 star on Dancing with the Stars. Don't bet on it. So basically, for the first time this season, the contracts are different than they've been in previous seasons, where the Love Island Islanders have a one year exclusive with Peacock. And not only do they, like, have to approve any other shows, which Dancing with the Stars would be outside of that, but brand deals, everything so that they don't compete with, like, Love island and Peacock's own brand deals. I think they're gonna, like, really manage what they do and, like, slot them in. I'm sure they'll Also get them brand deals.
B
Amaya, Papaya and Hannah from last season doing a big Maybelline commercials.
A
All.
B
It's like every time you open Tick tock, it's right there.
A
Yeah. So I guess, like, for this season, I mean, it makes.
B
Makes.
A
No, actually, I don't know that it makes sense, but, like, it's crazy.
B
I mean, it's a good financial managerial decision on the network's behalf because, like, you are making these people huge stars and you have a lot of sponsors. Like, I totally get it, but it's just crazy because, like, even in, like, the craziest of contracts, like, I feel like Bachelor Nation, like, those contracts were so crazy. They never really restricted anyone's brand deals.
A
Yeah. Yeah. So I guess it's like a price that you have to pay now to go on the show. And I'm sure they'll get them great brand deals, but it is, like, very limiting and it'll probably keep them from doing, like, like shitty stuff.
B
Yeah. But I guess it also means that, like, so, okay, so what? There's traders. Like, what else? You know what I mean? Like, you can't go on shows that aren't peacock. So what else do they need more shows? I guess they have that. No.
A
Yeah. But also it's like, they could go on it after a year, but in. After a year, it's sort of like we don't care. Yeah. So that's a bummer for Kenzie, but I feel like they should approve her going on Dancing with the Stars because that's stock of everything.
B
A thousand percent. But they won't. That's like, their biggest competitor. Hulu, abc.
A
Yeah. And even though, like, Maura.
B
That was years ago.
A
Years ago. Sierra is an NBC, but they don't
B
have contract stipulations like that.
A
No.
B
Because people from Bravo and other networks, like, go on other shows.
A
Yeah. Yeah. So it is, like, sad for Kenzie. It's sad. Not sad for the islanders, but I definitely feel like they're. They're limited.
B
That sucks. I wonder if they, like, if a single one of them read the contract, because it's not the type of contract you can, like, negotiate. Yeah. Like, you just sign it.
A
Yeah. And it's like, this is the cost of 2 million followers. But, you know, you play their game for a year and they'll get you brand deals and they'll put you in stuff. It's just what they want it to be. And then in a year from now, you have a career.
B
Okay.
A
Yeah.
B
And you're busy for that year. Like, they do a lot of like, integrated partnerships with Peacock. Like I just said, like the Maybelline thing with Amaya. Like, they get the gigs.
A
Smearing off ice with Nick.
B
They get them gigs.
A
I feel like people are finally starting to talk about what Nick did to Sierra. Do you feel that?
B
I thought you're talking about Nick vile and I was just like nodding my head. I have no idea what you're talking about. I mean, I don't know because like the people I surround myself with have been talking about it for a while.
A
I just saw like a couple of viral tweets.
B
Oh, I did too, because, like, you beat a dead horse.
A
Nicola Andrea did an interview. Was that with the New York Times or they just use the same font?
B
Oh, was it you?
A
It's in our chat.
B
Oh, was it? Mm, my bad. Hold on.
A
Check it out.
B
Okay, so they didn't interview with. Yeah, it's our. It's our competitors. I think it's popcast. Right? Like that New York Times.
A
Good for them.
B
Wonder where they got that idea. Here, I'll play it for you guys. This is a clip from their podcast game. And then they see him yearning. Like, you don't really see me in the yearning for women in this day and age. And then with him being a fair skinned male and I'm dark skinned female, but seeing him seeing me being loved out loud resonated with a lot of people in my community. It's like, oh, this is beautiful. Like dark skinned black woman being yearned for and loved out loud by some. That looks like Nick. It's like, this is beautiful. Like this is like healing the world in a sense because you don't see this often, especially not in real time. So that was an interview they did with the New York Times and people. Yes, this account hashtag Free Melanie. He spent the whole summer in Sierra's guts and they painted that as yearning. If old girl never got sent home, he would have left that house with her. No shade yet. It's a viral tweet. We have been saying those exact words and like, it's very hard to watch them pretend that that's not the case. There has been, I do feel like there's been a little bit of justice for Sierra. I followed her on Tick Tock, like since last season and she's always just been like doing her influencer. The way people change up is so quickly because like for the first couple of months after Love island, her comments were vile. Like, seriously, I don't know how she didn't quit the Internet entirely. Now people are like, I'm so glad I never like this comment. If you never hated Sierra, like, they're all gassing her up and there's also, like, a lot of drama going on with their particular cast and, like, Clark and everything. But people are.
A
What's the drama? I don't know. Did Taylor cheat on Clark?
B
No. Like, Andrina, Andrea. Something about Andrina. I don't know. I can't keep up with, like, I. I'm sorry, I can't keep up with everyone. But it's just funny to switch up. Like, people love her now and I do think, yes, we're taking. But you know what? It's the same thing with Amaya. People are like, a video of her, like, saying one of her crazy, weird things went viral again. And people are like, that this tweet went viral. I quoted it and it was like, what did we do? And we didn't do anything. So, yeah, I think a lot of people are having reflections on how crazy they were last season. I don't need to reflect because, you know, the proof is. Is. Is on my podcast. I never believed that Amaya should win, and I never believed those two were in love. No, I never. And I always believe Nick was. Was wrong for what he did to Sierra.
A
He certainly wasn't loving her out loud.
B
They kissed once, and they both said that. That it wasn't the right match. What are we talking about?
A
He was being like a good friend to her out loud. And. And that was really, like, they had a nice friendship, supportive king. But, like, every time they did their, like, you know, speeches, they are re.
B
They are. Now that a whole year has passed and another season has come, I do think they're feeling a little bit more free to rewrite history because they are retelling things that never happened.
A
Yeah.
B
Yeah. Loved out loud.
A
Okay, are you ready for our fifth and final story? Oh, my God, that was so quick.
B
I'm not. Sorry. Is it our fifth and final story that's brought to you by Weight Watchers?
A
Yes.
B
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A
After the final story, we actually need to talk about Gracie Abrams new album. New album called Daughter from Hell. She's like sitting down with Olivia Rodrigo to explain the lyrics and meaning behind a lot of the songs. Now there's one song on the album called Death Wish. Have you listened to it yet?
B
I have. And Liz woods did like a whole investigation into the song being about Taylor Swift. Kelly Teller then used a song on Instagram twice.
A
Yes.
B
Yeah. Thus fueling.
A
And it's not like a single from the album. It's just like a random song on
B
the Album right now, people, there is proof that the song was written, like, many years ago. Also, Gracie just went to Taylor's wedding. The whole Joe Alwyn screenshot in the carousel is still weird to me. I'm not talked about enough, and I'm not letting her get away with that. But, like. Like, I want to. I want to go down the rabbit hole with Liz, but, like, the fact remains, like, she was just at the wedding.
A
What else could this song be about?
B
It's just about, like, someone fucking hate.
A
And then Olivia is talking to Gracie, which, first of all, she's talking to the enemy to begin with. So she's obviously.
B
I think both Taylor and Olivia would maintain publicly that there's no issue between them. They both hate each other. But I don't know if, like, Taylor would stop Gracie from, like, doing a promotional thing with Olivia, you know?
A
But if Gracie and Taylor are really close, then, like, you would just ride for your friends, be so public. And then. Yeah, okay. So then they're doing their interview, and Olivia starts talking about how Death wish, her favorite, so much to her, and it makes her, like, so emotional. This is what. And I need to read the lyrics because, like, I can't even conceive they're so pointed about the.
B
The Kelly Teller thing. Just want to check something really quick. Does Kelly Teller. Hold on.
A
Okay, so this is what Olivia Rodrigo said about.
B
About this song in particular.
A
Thank you.
B
I remember watching the video of you performing at the O2 and being like, oh, my God, that song is so, so beautiful. And every lyric feels so poignant. Like, it feels like there's no filler lyrics in it. It's just, like, perfect. And I love that song. And that was another one that was making me really misty eyed yesterday and can't talk about it. Like, it was so, so gorgeous. Thank you. Like, yes, all of these things. But the fact remains, it's not like Gracie was just at her wedding. The song was written and the album came out long before you could have turned down the invitation. You hate this person so much.
A
Listen to the lyrics. My love you love your time machine, your power trips and diamond rings? The walls you built on teenage dreams? The well you dug for sinking things. Your words to kill are evergreen so you must not feel anything at all. But how'd you get so bulletproof? You trade your time for inside truths Trade your time for any clue of what to do or not to do. Hate to say it's nothing new. Aside from those.
B
Nothing new is a Taylor song.
A
Aside from those few girls you Keep around.
B
Yeah, for sure.
A
And what's the proof that this was written so long ago?
B
Like, I don't know, but it was. Like, this song has. Has
A
just. How would anyone know that?
B
Oh, because, like, a lot of Gracie songs, like, the first song close to you, like, that she literally was like, a tik tok sound, like she made a video of it. You know, you, like, you tease a song on Instagram.
A
Listen, how.
B
And also, like, the wedding, like, what are. Like, I. It almost feels like. Unless maybe did Gracie not go? Like, was she going somewhere else in a ball gown that night? I think a lot of people, like, who were in ball gowns that night, like, took advantage of the narrative and, like, let people think they went to the wedding. Like, maybe she didn't. Like, why the. Did she post that picture of Joe Alwyn? Like, we. We as a cult. Sure. We moved on from that too quickly.
A
Listen, how will it end? How long will you give?
B
Okay, wait. Oh, sorry.
A
Till you twist the knife with a smile while you kill me then you ask me to dance if there's someone around you don't look the same when I look at you now honey pie, you're haunting honey pie you're haunting me I fell for your faux fantasy you poured the wine there's poison in it disregard my disposition proof is in the subtle things your eggshell floor is splintering and it freaks me out I'm old enough to know you as a gateway drug you're everything I'll never be you live to look for enem. Enemies.
B
So, like, there is a thought, a school of thought.
A
Okay.
B
No, no. I'm just saying, like, for people, maybe don't know, school of thought that, like, Taylor uses other rising artists, you know, for her benefit, just so no one can, like, really overtake her. And I think that Olivia Rodrigo was the first time in a really long time where anyone, like, really ever threatened to impede on what Taylor has built, you know, her songwriting and all that. And then, so, you know, Taylor destroyed her because of it. Even though Olivia goes completely fine, I don't think that.
A
That's what I just want to say as someone who's, like, looking into this, I don't think that it's that. It's that.
B
I think that Taylor engages with young artists in a way that's convenient for her.
A
Agreed.
B
And I actually think we were talking about this literally last week that, like, you could sit, like, you know, I think sometimes, like, I think she was actually very generous with Gracie. Like, I think of all the artists she, like, brings into her fold that she, like, lifts up. Some people think she just keeps them close. But like, with Gracie, like, she had a song on Gracie's first album. Like, that's huge. So I think of all the people who maybe could complain, Gracie's like, don't bite the hand that feeds you. I think a lot of people only know about Gracie Abrams because of Taylor. Taylor brought her out, so I don't know why she would be mad.
A
She seems to be, like, acknowledging that how will it end? How long will you give me? Like, she is.
B
Well, you're still in it, so what are you complaining about?
A
Or maybe. Or maybe she's not.
B
I do also think Taylor has changed up. Like, how she. I think it was, like, a little obvious how she was, like, interacting with people, you know, and like, the whole Olivia Rodrigo thing, so that when the time came for her to lift up like Sabrina, I think she has changed up how she interacts with the young artists because it was, like, a little obvious. Do you know what I mean?
A
That she was like, just sort of like, keeping him closed or only really, like, could.
B
Could she lift up anybody more than Haim? Non threatening. Like, she only really lifts up people who are non threatening. And I do think she has changed that because people look like it's very. It's kind of obvious, like, what was going on. So now, like, with Sabrina, like, you can't say she doesn't support other. Sabrina opened for her and she did a song with Sabrina. So, like, she doesn't do that anymore because it was obvious. But I do think, just as like, a person has a lot to lose, like, you are meticulous with how you engage with your competitors. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But maybe if I was in it, I would feel differently, like, if I was a young artist, you know?
A
Yeah. And then there's just like this basket of discards.
B
Yeah.
A
Who are seen to be talking to each other.
B
Who are the discards? Well, I would have thought that, like, Kelsey Ballerini was a discard, but then Kelsey Ballerina was at the wedding. You know what I mean? There are people who she was, like, super tight with.
A
No, but not all, like, musicians. Not mad at them. Them.
B
Right, right.
A
And so it does feel like she
B
also like everyone she sits next to at an award show. Halsey, not the wedding.
A
Camila Cabello, but still best friends.
B
Like, they went to. Like, that's what I mean. The wedding was sort of affirmative of a lot of relationships. Like, for me, Kelsey Ballerini.
A
No, but it's like, so say, you know, she lifted up Kelsey while it was convenient for her, and then, like, didn't when it was no longer convenient and moved on. Whatever. She has no issue with Kelsey, so she would invite Kelsey to the wedding. Now, why would Kelsey not go?
B
Right. Unless Kelsey had an issue with her. Maybe Halsey has an issue or.
A
I'm sure Halsey has an issue. Like. Yeah, but no. Even if Kelsey has an issue with her, it's like, this is. It's like being invited to the Met Gal. I just have an issue with Anna Wintour.
B
I'm going 100%. 100%. That's why it makes people who weren't there Lana Del Rey, like, like a really big deal.
A
That's insane that Lana Del Rey wasn't there.
B
Yeah, yeah. The only thing I'm confused about is, like, why Gracie Abrams would go to a wedding that she then the next week releases a song about, you know. But the Joe Alwyn thing, Like, I was actually thinking about that before. Be the other night. Like, that was weird. You're weird for that.
A
I just.
B
If you hate Taylor, like, stand on business, you know, I just. People who hate Taylor and then, like, go to the wedding, well, that's lame.
A
I just would like someone to present and tell me what this song is about, if not Taylor. So for those of you four years ago, could it be about a guy? I guess so.
B
Right? No pronouns were used in the making of this song, which also feels intentional. Intentional.
A
Your light of a million suns Burns through people and bridges and cities Till ash covers ground A breath of your air is a death wish and you're forcing my hand But I'm a drop in your ocean.
B
Okay, Ron Pope, Like, I ruined the use.
A
I ruined your plans of some grand self promotion.
B
Well, I do want to say Gracie thinks, like, extremely highly of herself. Because when I do think about the artists who, like, at one point in time could have or have, like, threatened Taylor's position in the music industry. Industry. Like, no offense, Gracie's name never crossed my mind. So I think she thinks quite highly of herself. But also, I do think when you were reading the lyrics, the use of the phrase nothing new, which, of course, Taylor didn't invent that lyric. But Taylor does have a song, and Taylor has a lot of songs. But to reference that that song is about younger artists. Will you still want me when I'm nothing new? It's about, like, a younger version, like, coming and superseding. It's like Taylor's Worst nightmare come to life of, like, younger artists who. Who can shine brighter than her coming and taking over what she's built. That is what the song is about.
A
Okay, here's more information from genius.com. it was produced by Aaron Dessner.
B
Oh, yeah. Which people have pointed out, like, couldn't possibly be a Taylor diss track.
A
It was. This song was debuted live at the O2 that Olivia was talking about on March 2025 at the London stop of her tour.
B
Okay, so it's a year ago.
A
She said, this song is about a friend of mine who recently was dating, like, a mega narcissist. A sincere friend of mine was recently dating someone who kind of sucked. And I was listening to them talk about it a lot. And so this song is about that.
B
It's convenient.
A
Yeah, you could say that about any song. And I think, yes. I think you should lie about what your songs are about, like, plausible deniability.
B
And let people, like, envision their own lives through music.
A
Yeah, yeah.
B
Because, like, she went to the wedding
A
and what does it say about us that we think it's about Taylor?
B
And I think that, like, maybe if there are people who, like, want to complain about how Taylor has treated them, like, there could be people with valid arguments. But I just want to say, like, Gracie Abrams is not one of those people. She's somebody who's just, like, exclusively benefited from her closeness to Taylor.
A
Well, as far as we know right
B
now, I'm talking about, like, fame and popularity. Right. She's like. She's like a major pop girly now. And that has a lot to do with her proximity to Taylor. Taylor, like, collaborating with her.
A
Yeah, like.
B
Like, I think Sabrina would have taken off whether she opened for the ERAs tour or not. Like, her time was coming. She was having this moment on Tick Tock. And it was really helpful that she opened for the ES tour. And obviously being near Taylor is, like, great. But I'm telling you, she was taking off no matter what. Like, Gracie Abrams was not. Because Gracie Margaret was talking about Gracie Abrams for, like, a couple of years. She, like, couldn't get arrested musically and successfully. And it wasn't until, like, she was, you know, orbiting Taylor that she started being considered by people like myself, you know.
A
Interesting.
B
So sometimes it's gonna happen no matter how close you are to Taylor Swift. I think there's no greater example of that than Haim.
A
Than Haim.
B
I mean, like, talk about people who have no success. Sorry.
A
They have that one song, it's so good.
B
The Wire. And they have a Song with Taylor. And as Taylor Swift's biggest fan, I couldn't even sing it for you.
A
Like, seriously, a skip.
B
So I just want to say, like, being in Taylor's circle isn't like, an auto.
A
No, no, no. You've got to have this stuff.
B
I'll take some of that. That's a pretty lip color.
A
Thank you. It's Westman Atelier.
B
Oh, okay.
A
Westman.
B
That's right.
A
Haute couture by Westman.
B
I prefer Eastman.
A
I prefer West Wilson.
B
I prefer Madame Morrible. Garrett Graham.
A
Garrett Graham.
B
Karen Reed. So all that to say, I actually don't think that this is about Gracie.
A
I think it says a lot about us that we think it's about Taylor. We're doubting. I don't know. Don't you feel like the little people are going to start to, like.
B
No. Actually revolt?
A
Yeah, I just feel like. I feel like. No, no, not. Maybe not. They will believe.
B
Sometimes you can feel circumstances, like, shifting. Like, we were talking about that with Alex Cooper. Like, it felt like the landscape was turning against it.
A
Might not be a successful uprising.
B
No, I'm telling you, I don't think there's even an uprising being had. Like, the villagers are not even thinking about leaving their houses. I don't think so. I don't think there was ever a time to strike. It ain't now.
A
No, no, no. Not with, like, the wedding and everything.
B
Yeah,
A
yeah. And clearly she has a lot of a thousand people on her side that she invited to her wedding. That attended.
B
Correct.
A
So.
B
Well, that's our show. Hope you enjoyed every minute of it. It really was. It was just good. Like, how could you not enjoy?
A
You know, I. I hope that you enjoyed, too. I didn't think about it, but, yeah, I guess you always felt you even
B
made it to the end of this.
A
And you can hear.
B
Remember when we used to do that thing where, like, if you made it to the end of the episode, like, rose emoji, drop a rose emoji.
A
A rose. Why rose?
B
It just came to me.
A
It just came, like, not symbolic of the episode.
B
Oh, okay. What did we talk about? Music.
A
We talked a lot about weddings. Maybe, like, the bride emoji.
B
If you made it to the end of the episode, like, drop a bride emoji in our Instagram comment section of the car. The, like, episode announcement.
A
That was a fun game.
B
Oh, yeah, that was. We used to do it every day to, like, generate engagement.
A
We used to sing the final story.
B
We, like, things come and go. We can't just, like, keep good morning, Millennials.
A
Yeah.
B
I'm so glad we dropped that.
A
Yeah.
B
Well, that's our show. You guys, thank you so much for listening to the Toast Online morning show. We deal with the fastest stories and every Monday through Friday and YouTube. Stay watching us on YouTube. Please feel free to subscribe and give us a thumbs up. Podcast. Podcast. Hope you guys have an amazing day and we'll see you tomorrow.
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Love you. Bye.
Podcast: The Toast (Dear Media)
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: Monday, July 20, 2026
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This episode dives into a jam-packed weekend of celebrity weddings, pop culture events—including the FIFA World Cup final and its headline-grabbing halftime show—and the latest intrigue in reality TV and the music world. Jackie and Claudia offer their signature blend of quick wit, pop-savvy commentary, and relatable hot takes as they run down everything from streaming recs and influencer etiquette to Taylor Swift wedding conspiracies.
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The Oshry sisters wrap up with cheeky callbacks to old podcast traditions and encourage listeners to drop a bride emoji if they made it to the end—because it’s wedding season, after all!
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