Amanda Batula and The Generational Fumble: Tuesday, March 31st, 2026

Summary

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The Toast: Amanda Batula and The Generational Fumble

Air Date: March 31, 2026
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Producer: Dear Media

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Overview

This episode of The Toast is packed with camaraderie, pop culture breakdowns, and a heavy dose of Summer House drama. Jackie and Claudia reunite in their original NYC studios after a stint apart, bringing a slightly chaotic, high-energy vibe back to the show. The main focus is the explosive rumor swirling around Amanda Batula’s rumored relationship with West Wilson, dissecting what it means for the Summer House cast, reality TV cycles, and fandom speculation. Listeners also get book club woes, content creator discourse, and quick dives into other trending reality TV stories and celebrity relationships.

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Episode Highlights & Key Discussion Points

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1. The Toast Reunion & Studio Switch-Up

• Timestamps: 00:03 – 02:56
• Claudia shares her dramatic return to the NYC studio after wintering in Florida; jokes about the crumbling state of the studio and potential rodent squatters.
• Jackie expresses joy at having her home studio routine back (“these studios, this chair... a joy to be here. And Bruno’s here. Bruno!” [02:05, Jackie]).
• Both hosts admit that doing remote podcasts is an adjustment and quash any fan rumors of tension or behind-the-scenes drama.

Memorable Quote:

“I feel also like I’m podcasting for the first time again. I don’t know why. It’s so different... I feel weird.”
— Claudia, [02:37]

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2. Redheads Book Club Drama

• Timestamps: 03:11 – 06:33
• Jackie updates on the Redheads book club’s “brink of extinction,” citing scheduling and burnout among members.
• Claudia jokes about joining or piloting “Redheads Next Generation” and the unique logistical struggles of book clubs.
• The duo reassures listeners that despite their gripes, Redheads isn’t ending any time soon thanks to its strong community.

Memorable Quotes:

“We’ve read over 770 books. That’s insane. Even if we bowed out now, I would consider [it] a success.”
— Jackie, [04:41]

“The Redheads will never die, because if they do give up on it, I’m picking it back up.”
— Claudia, [05:27]

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3. Content Creation & Motherhood: Positivity Over Venting

• Timestamps: 09:31 – 12:13
• Claudia reflects (with comedic flair) on the realities of traveling with young children and her aversion to venting negatively about motherhood.
• The hosts discuss the trend of “relatable” motherhood content online, expressing annoyance at creators who veer too far into negativity.
• They champion curating social feeds for a positive mental space.

Memorable Quote:

“I do feel like there are a lot of content creators who do that, but I think it very quickly just became, like, being negative all the time... it can penetrate your mind and your, like, your state of mind..."
— Claudia, [10:49]

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4. Summer House Scandal: Amanda & West Saga

• Timestamps: 17:41 – 37:40
• Main Theme: Is Amanda Batula really dating West Wilson? The hosts dive into the rumor, what fans are saying, and their own takes.
• Recap: Rumor surfaced via DeuxMoi that Amanda (newly split from Kyle) was seen kissing West (who previously dated her close friend Sierra).
• Claudia’s skepticism: “...Not only Amanda, like, turning on your friend... it’s so incongruous with what I thought I knew about her.” [21:14]
• Jackie ponders: Is the lack of outright denial a ratings ploy for the show?
• Claudia shares “exclusive” tea from a friend that there might even be video evidence and a joint statement forthcoming, but emphasizes that all the intel is coming from a single, possibly shaky source.
• They discuss comparisons to other Bravo cycles – the “scorned woman” trope, and the “generational fumble” if Amanda really did burn her goodwill for West.
• Social media engagement by cast members (cryptic tweets, non-denials) fuels the spectacle.
• The discussion weaves in analysis of Amanda and Kyle’s toxic relationship, the “girls’ girl” brand of Summer House, and the ripple effect on cast friendships.

Notable Quotes:

“If true, Amanda just pulled a generational fumble of goodwill.”
— Read from a viral tweet, [23:56]

“I just know Hannah Burner sleeps so well at night, you know? Like, these people were really awful to her... and the fact that she’s now more famous and successful than all of them—I just know she loves this.”
— Claudia, [28:45]

“There’s not one positive thing about [Amanda and Kyle’s] relationship. I don’t think that there is a singular moment of joy, especially towards the end.”
— Claudia, [34:24]

Discussion Touchpoints:

• The drama's connection to other reality TV betrayals (Vanderpump Rules/Scandoval).
• Jackie is adamant: “I don’t believe it still. I don’t believe it.” [35:47].
• Claudia: “That’s like when you didn’t think Kim and Kanye were getting divorced. ... We all have, like, things we are just in denial about.” [35:51]

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5. Reality TV & Media—Other Stories

a. Alex Cooper’s Reality Competition “Unwell Winter Games”

• Timestamps: 37:40 – 45:07
• Unwell Network’s new YouTube show brings together “polarizing” reality figures, including people with recent scandals and criminal backgrounds.
• Jackie and Claudia debate the ethics and optics of casting controversial figures (e.g., Huda Mustafa, Dakota Mortensen).
• Contextualize relative risk for a YouTube show vs. network TV (ABC).

Quote:

“Billing it as... polarizing and just sort of being like, here you go. Take it or leave it is how they’re gonna market this. But it does seem sort of incongruous with, like, the tone of Call Her Daddy, which would never stand for something like this.”
— Jackie, [43:18]

b. Netflix’s New Kennedy Series

• Timestamps: 46:28 – 51:56
• Announcement of a “Crown-style” drama about the Kennedy family, starring Michael Fassbender.
• Claudia and Jackie geek out about learning more Kennedy history, bemoan the lackluster “Love Story” series, and discuss America’s dynastic obsessions.

Quote:

“I personally need this as I really don’t know a lot about the family.”
— Jackie, [47:44]

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6. Quick Hits & Commentary

a. Alex Earl Says “No” to Bachelorette

• Timestamps: 57:45 – 61:27
• Alex Earl is asked about leading the Bachelorette and declines; Jackie and Claudia reflect on whether the franchise is better off “casting normies” instead of celebrities.

b. Kylie Jenner & Timothée Chalamet: Low-Key Couple Alert

• Timestamps: 61:43 – 64:28
• Both post separate vacation shots from what’s obviously the same beach, frustrating fans hoping for a soft-launch couple shot.
• Jackie jokes: “It’s actually insane that they’ve never posted a picture online together. Like, actually grow up.” [61:56]
• The duo analyzes Kylie’s book choices and speculate on the state of her fandom with “the Toast.”

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Memorable Quotes (by Timestamp)

• Claudia [02:37]: “I feel like I’m podcasting for the first time again.”
• Jackie [04:41]: “We’ve read over 770 books... even if we bowed out now, I would consider [it] a success.”
• Claudia [05:27]: “The Redheads will never die, because if they do give up on it, I’m picking it back up.”
• Claudia [10:49]: “It can penetrate your mind... your state of mind is very fragile and you need to, like, be really particular about what you consume.”
• Claudia [21:14]: “It’s hard to imagine someone could be so dumb.”
• Jackie (via viral tweet) [23:56]: “If true, Amanda just pulled a generational fumble of goodwill.”
• Claudia [28:45]: “I just know Hannah Burner sleeps so well at night, you know?... she’s now more famous and successful than all of them.”
• Claudia [34:24]: “There’s not one positive thing about their relationship. I don’t think that there is a singular moment of joy, especially towards the end.”
• Jackie [43:18]: “But it does seem sort of incongruous with, like, the tone of Call Her Daddy, which would never stand for something like this.”
• Jackie [47:44]: “I personally need this as I really don’t know a lot about the [Kennedy] family.”

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Notable Moments

• Claudia and Jackie’s on-air snack break and their musings about “eating on the podcast” being the #1 no-no in the industry, but embracing it anyway for Yasso.
• Jackie and Claudia’s “Kylie, if you’re listening” coded callout for reposting specific images, a callback to their past inside jokes with the Kardashians.
• Running bits about being “skinnier” if they didn’t eat on air and outrage over reality TV tropes.

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Content Structuring (Fast 5 Stories Rundown by Timestamps)

1. Amanda Batula & West Wilson Summer House Rumor: [17:41 – 37:40]
2. Unwell Winter Games Controversy: [37:40 – 45:07]
3. Kennedy Series Announcement: [46:28 – 51:56]
4. Alex Earl’s Bachelorette Response: [57:45 – 61:27]
5. Kylie & Timothée’s Soft-Launch & Literary Taste: [61:43 – 64:28]

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Tone & Style

The episode is informal, comedic, candid, and unfiltered—full of sisterly banter, teasing, and rapid-fire pop culture dissection. Jackie and Claudia’s dynamic makes the scandal analysis feel both salacious and relatable, often poking fun at their own hot takes and contradictions.

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For the New Listener:

• This episode is a masterclass in pop culture dissection with insider-y wit.
• Essential for Summer House fans, but even if you only know the headlines, their analysis and reality TV analogies are accessible and entertaining.
• The duo’s mix of deep-dive and side quests (from book clubs to Kennedy lore) keeps the hour spry and snackable.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, girlies.

[B]

It's the Toast.

[A]

It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

[B]

It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.

[A]

They sound amazing.

[B]

Welcome back to the Toast. Happy Tuesday. Or should I say, welcome back to the frames. That's right. The motherfucking frames are back. I'm back in New York City. It's transatlantic, terse once again.

[A]

I can't believe it. I feel like everyone is going to be shocked. Take a minute, process it.

[B]

Have a seat. I'm getting divorced.

[A]

We're not together in Florida anymore. It just happened just like that. Claudia's back in New York. I'm here. It's so crazy to be pen pals again.

[B]

I know. Okay, let me tell you. I'm in hell.

[A]

Okay, good.

[B]

So I come back to the studio, the studio that I once loved, and I forgot about, like, I forgot about this studio. Do you know what I mean? I forgot that, like, we don't have air. I have to like, call the handyman. I forgot I left this place, like, seriously to die. I just know for a fact that a mouse has been here. Like, I can just feel his presence. So, yeah, I have got to get the contractor, the exterminator. Like, I kind of just let this place rot in the middle of winter. And I just know a certain mouse had an amazing winter on my Mickey Couture blankets. There was no air conditioning. I just know he found. Sought refuge here. I hope he had a good time, but you better sit down for this. You're getting evicted, bitch.

[A]

Time's up.

[B]

So I forgot, like, about that. But other than that, I'm so happy to be home. I forgot that I, like, low key moved into a pargy apartment. Like, I. I'm back, back in the

[A]

New York cruise city that never sleeps.

[B]

I came back at such a great time. I really slayed. What I did. Just accidentally skipping one of the worst winters of all time. Blizzard after blizzard after blizzard. And I was just like in, you know, the palm trees with my sisters. With my sisters. So it's 70 degrees. It couldn't be more gorgina vegina. I slayed things. I did that.

[A]

Well, we miss you. We do. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not unhappy to be back in my home studio. I know I miss my commute. I do. If I have less of a Genesis quoi, I would say it's because I'm not listening to David Guetta. On my way into work, but I guess I could supplement. I could supplement listen while I do my makeup or something. But, like, I love these studios. I love this chair. After the chairs we've been on, it's. It's a joy to be here. And Bruno's here. Bruno.

[B]

Bruno. I feel also like I'm podcasting for the first time again. I don't know why. I just. It's so different. I know we're technically doing the same exact thing that we do together, but between all, like, the different digital elements, the connectivity issue, like, I feel weird. I feel it's going to take me a couple of minutes.

[A]

It's going to take a minute.

[B]

I could see people being like, does anybody else feel, like, weird vibes? And Claudia and Jackie, like, are they fighting? No, no, we're just adjusting.

[A]

I didn't feel that way. But, you know, we had to get back into our dance, our remote dance. We can't, like, talk over each other as much. We can't sing as much.

[B]

We should have done a practice episode, like, yesterday.

[A]

That's so not us. If we ever are doing a practice episode, like, just know. I guess I did an episode yesterday for my home studio, but it was redheads.

[B]

Let's talk about the redheads.

[A]

The redheads are on the brink, you guys. Per usual. Are you guys sick of hearing about this?

[B]

Are you like, the redheads are on the brink. The brink of what? Extinction? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I've had multiple conversations with various girls, and we're all struggling.

[B]

Okay. The thing is, is that I know I've never been a redhead, so I don't know the burden of, like, having to read the book and then, like, I don't. I don't know. So maybe I'm coming from a space of ignorance. Wouldn't be the first time. But I feel like you can't give up on the redheads. I will join the redheads. Like, maybe that's what we need, a breath of fresh air. Maybe we gotta kick someone out.

[A]

Maybe. I don't know if anybody would leave, like, without the whole group. Like, I think we're on this ship together, which is nice.

[B]

Can I start the redheads with, like, three people I know?

[A]

Oh, do you want to do, like, redheads Next Generation.

[B]

That's a great redheads 2.0.

[A]

We're passing the baton.

[B]

I just know my friend Abe would be so lit the fuck up to do it.

[A]

I would, like, love for you to do it just so you could see

[B]

like it is, because it's not even the recording. It's the reading.

[A]

It's the reading and, like, finding a time that works for all four. And, like, you can't just, like, back out because we'll not be able to find a time again anytime soon. And I imagine people are, like, sick of me talking about how much I

[B]

love change the redheads and hate the red. I don't.

[A]

I actually love the redheads. The reason why we've been doing it for so long, we've read over 770 books. Like, that's insane. Even if we bowed out now, like, I would consider a success. And I'm just gonna try and, like, get through this difficult period because I have so much on my plate right now that, like, it won't always be this way. And I'll be glad for the redheads one day. So if I don't keep with it now, like, I won't have that day to look forward to it.

[B]

I also need you to know, like, the redheads will never die because, like, I'm sort of waiting in the wings. Like, when the redheads were started, I didn't read. So obviously you didn't even think of me for a potential head. Then I just fell in love with reading. I. I follow, you know, book news. Like, it's kind of weird that I'm not in the redheads.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So the redheads will never die. Because if they do give up on it, like, I'm picking it back up.

[A]

Okay, you can have the ip. It's an amazing name. We've got great branding. Like, we've be really slayed. But if you do want to join the redheads, like, why don't you talk to Margot? I think she's the weakest link.

[B]

Oh, you think if I could get someone's seat, it would be hers?

[A]

I do. Even though yesterday she had to host the episode because it was her book and it was just so fun. Like, the episode was amazing. That's the other thing. Like, it's hysterical.

[B]

It's too good. Sorry, you have to keep going.

[A]

I know I say this, like, every month, and I'm sure it was sick of me because you're just like, then end it. And the thing is, like, we have listeners. Like, it would be a.

[B]

Like, you can't end it. You can't.

[A]

They, like, end their podcast. It's like, that's was fine. Nobody. Nobody was listening.

[B]

We didn't know that you ended it because we didn't know that you started it.

[A]

Like, the redheads has a very devoted community. I can't Let them down. I can't. So we. We march ahead.

[B]

Continue on.

[A]

So that's what I was doing yesterday. And then also last night I did something crazy and caught up on Summer House.

[B]

We have a lot to discuss today.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yesterday I was a hard day for me because I just, like, felt really sick and I just had so much to do in the redheads and everything. And then, like, at the end of the day, I was like, let me go read the comments.

[B]

Mistake. I just want to say, same with me, because I got right on a plane after, and it was like a truly treacherous travel day. It was, like, not easy. And when I got into bed, I'm like, I wonder if people like the episode.

[A]

Because I, like, it was short and we were sick and I was just,

[B]

oh, I was getting on a plane.

[A]

It was.

[B]

It wasn't our best. Like, we can't give every episode, like, 1,000%. Sorry. Like, we just didn't do our best yesterday.

[A]

I just needed to show up. And we had funny moments. But, like, sure, Tiger woods wasn't drunk.

[B]

He's a pill popper, not an alcoholic. My bad.

[A]

And yeah, I read the episodes like, fat, ugly, stupid, brainless.

[B]

Kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself. So it's like, never mind. Let's just go to bed.

[A]

Yeah. So I just want to say to everyone who hated yesterday's episode, like, I am sorry. I don't feel like it was the most amazing episode. So I'm not even gonna, like, come free for that. But I just want to say, like, everyone was like, why are you talking about Sierra and West? Nothing has happened. And we'll talk about it in the stories because I made it a story today because I watched Summer House.

[B]

Like, we report the news. And in terms of, like, there wasn't a news. Nothing has more so resurfaced since the last time we spoke about it. People still don't know 100 true and the vibes are leaning towards it being true.

[A]

The last time we spoke about it, we said we did not believe it. So nothing has come out that's been confirmation of the rumor. So there was, like, nothing to say. I didn't. I didn't realize everyone was, like, waiting for us to speak on it. But I will now speak on it because I've been watching Summer House and I have a lot of thoughts.

[B]

And then I took it upon myself in the last 24 hours to reach out to some people who I thought might know some stuff, and I got some good information that I'll share when we Discuss.

[A]

I can't friggin wait. And so I think we should get into everything you do. I don't know. I guess like, no, people love also your toasters today.

[B]

Although it does feel like dear toasters for the third week in a row should be pushed to Wednesday. We just have like a lot to do today in terms of the big summer house news. You and I just being back together. Like, I'm sure the frames want to speak and I wouldn't like to, you

[A]

know, impede on there needs his moment. He's been sidelined. We haven't podcasted in here. Like, I guess we did an episode in like November and December, but like, really since October. That's when I went on my maternity leave.

[B]

Yes. I did one episode from your house with Shannon Ford, but we haven't been in this. Oh, yes. Since before your maternity leave.

[A]

I did it with you, like in my maternity leave.

[B]

Twice the last episode. Yeah.

[A]

And also once before I gave birth because, like, I went over my due date.

[B]

You were bored.

[A]

Fun fact. I went over my due date with my third child. That's crazy.

[B]

When I see like girls walking around who are like 40, 41 weeks, I actually, like, I, I stop in my tracks and I pray for them.

[A]

Yeah. No, that was insane. That was me on Halloween. Imagine trick or treating with two toddlers insane three days before your due date. Insane, Insane stuff. Well, what else is new? How's Ruble? How's New York? Fu. How's Lish?

[B]

You know, I don't like to complain. I actually really don't. I do complain, like, as a joke a lot. But like, in terms of motherhood stuff, like, I just, I don't find it conducive. I think it affects your, like, outlook on life. And I just like, don't want to be one of those. Being like this 15 minutes I got for myself was like really important. And I also love my baby. Like, two things can be true. Like, we don't give a fuck. Like, we really don't. So I don't want to talk about how, like, the flight was difficult. It was just. I had flown with Ruby a bunch of times before. He was six months and traveling with a six month old. I'm sorry. Is nothing. Especially when their breasts had. They slept the whole time, like, and everyone was like, how was he? I'm like, he's such a good baby. I flew with a baby yesterday. Like a real baby who didn't want an app. Who did it. I bought him a seat. Waste of money. Didn't Sit in it for one second. The boy's mouth didn't stop moving. Eating and crying and eating and crying. And, like, seriously, as we're landing, he falls asleep on bed.

[A]

Like, of course, just.

[B]

Just hard, you know? So, of course I would never want to complain, but it.

[A]

It wasn't a breeze, is all.

[B]

You're saying it wasn't a breeze.

[A]

That's fair that.

[B]

That happens. Yeah, I. I don't want to go even more negative than that because, like, I would never speak negatively about the love of my life.

[A]

I completely agree.

[B]

And I just want to say in the effort, which I believe was, like, a valiant effort to make mothers feel less alone and, you know, talk about the hard stuff. I do feel like there are a lot of content creators who do that, but I think it very quickly just became, like, being negative all the time and complaining and, like, making jokes about how, like, you want to be away from your baby. And, like, I hate that shit. Like, when I see it, I actually block that type of. That energy. It can penetrate your mind and your, like, your state of mind. And. And I think that your state of mind is very fragile and you need to, like, be really particular about what you consume. I hate that. I hate that.

[A]

Yeah, you got to keep it positive, Manifesto.

[B]

It's like we're supposed to be being real. And being real is that some parts are hard. Yeah, for sure. And I commend you. And like, I. I don't want to turn on anyone for being real, but, like, seriously, shut up.

[A]

Yeah, I think you should be real. Positive.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, real.

[B]

I saw this girl make a tik tok. Being like, here are all the content creators I follow who are, like, not naggy bitch mothers. And I literally followed every single one of them. Like, it really is so important it. Your brain, even if you're just disagreeing with it and scrolling. That shit penetrates. Get out. I don't want that shit near me.

[A]

Yeah, I agree.

[B]

Having my morning coffee before my baby woke up was the best part of my day. That's not good. I hate that. Oh, my God.

[A]

Also.

[B]

And then they also act like it's revolutionary. Like, I know we're not supposed to say that. Really? People say it all the time.

[A]

No. And they're so brave.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I can't. I can't.

[A]

Brave for complaining.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The other day I was trying to think of a word, and it did come to me days later. So I just want to say, because I think it was a great word. Remember. Remember when I was trying to say

[B]

that we're, like, exonerating.

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

And that's the one you were looking for.

[A]

No, no. But you found exonerate when I was trying to say, like, we're turning the lights down on something like.

[B]

Oh, yeah, like submerging.

[A]

We're sunsetting it.

[B]

Yes, that's a good word.

[A]

Sunset.

[B]

The red. No, I'm kidding. That.

[A]

But. But it came to me later. That was the word I was looking for. And so if I just need to. For my own brain fog and brain camp, like, I need to hold myself accountable in finding the words that I've lost throughout postpartum.

[B]

And I want the redheads listening to that. I smell like you.

[A]

That I so happily lost.

[B]

By the way, you will always have a champion in me.

[A]

You've got a. Have you ever even.

[B]

And you might be looking at your next host episode.

[A]

Have you ever even.

[B]

That's not true. Yes, I have. Whenever I, like, posthumously read a book.

[A]

Oh, my gosh, I didn't even tell you. A little spoiler alert. Our next book for the redheads. And actually, this could be your time. Is It Girl by Allison Pataki. It's my choice. That's what I chose.

[B]

Oh, by the way, such a good book. I will happily join. Even though it's been, like, a while since I've read it. It will be, like, two months. But my next book that I just purchased was inspired by the redheads Next to Heaven. And I will be listening to episode.

[A]

Oh, I love it. Oh, I loved that book.

[B]

Yes. I don't keep up every month, but I go back and read books, and then I'm like, what did the redheads have to say about this?

[A]

Okay, that's great. No, I'm. This is like creating my love.

[B]

Jacuz.

[A]

Jacuze. You should Trues.

[B]

Jacuzatory.

[A]

Well, let's get into the stories. I really want to talk about the summer house drama now that you guys bullied me into talking about it. More. More.

[B]

Now, today's episode is brought to you by Yaso. And before we get into the episode, obviously, we have a lot to do. I think we should call for a quick snack break. We've definitely earned it with the. With the 13 minutes of episode that we've recorded. I'm exhausted and starving. Let's take a moment to reset and pause, and let's talk about our current obsessions, snack wise. Now, we are a Yaso house through and through. Like, literally, Ben goes through a box in a setting. They are the best. Like, ice cream treats. And they Have a new concept that I am obsessed with. A new product. They're called spoonables, and it's literally a container of their. Oh, my God. Of their most amazing.

[A]

Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to ice cream some ice cream on the toast. I freaking deserve it.

[B]

Now, what I like about Yaso is I feel like for years, as just consumers, we have just signed up for a trade off when it comes to sweet treats. Like, if you are looking for something, that's your nightly sweet treat, but a little bit more balanced. Like, you can never really have both. And that's why I love Yaso because it's Greek yogurt. And I know you're gonna say, like, I think Greek yogurt is so yucky. I. I can't believe that I love Yaso as much as I do because, like, the regular Greek yogurt, oh, my God. Insane. I think it's just. I can't believe people like it. Yaso. I don't know. It tastes nothing what I thought it would taste like. It's so unbelievable. And then, of course, they have great ingenuity with their flavors. What flavor are you eating right now?

[A]

This is cookies and cream.

[B]

Yeah, I think I have cookies and cream. Oh, no. Chocolate chip cookie dough. I love the cookies and cream Ben loves. They have, like a coffee flavor. They're so delicious.

[A]

I have the chocolate chip cookie dough bars here. I had two of them last night while I watched Summerhouse.

[B]

It was so sweet. It's a perfect sweet treat.

[A]

Those little chunks of cookie dough. Yum.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

I love this. Let's do this more.

[B]

Yes, we're open to more product placement. Yaso.

[A]

Anything that allows us to eat on the show. Even though that is like the number one rule of podcasting. It's true.

[B]

You can't eat.

[A]

We should be so much skinnier.

[B]

Okay, what's our first story?

[A]

Without further ado to do, it is time for the Fast 5 stories that you did do need to know.

[B]

And first, you might have Murat dude need to know it yesterday, but today.

[A]

And you might have Buddha dude bullied

[B]

us into talking about it. But we are Sudatu. Sorry, I didn't know. Everyone wanted us to talk about it

[A]

every day, even without new information.

[B]

But, and to be clear, there is no new information. If you're not following the saga, you're just, like, learning about it from us. There's really nothing new. Some of the cast members have posted, like, suspicious things, but at first I was thinking that they were all just being thirsty and this is like some coordinated prank.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because it's so unbelievable.

[A]

Okay, so the rumor is a couple weeks ago, Dumois posted that Amanda Batula from Summer House was kissing West Wilson from Summer House, who used to date her best friend Sierra. And they just have like a history, almost two years now of being, like, on and off and, like, liking each other.

[B]

She's still very much hung up on him.

[A]

It's clear it's hung up on her. And even this summer, they're flirting with Kyle just got out of a marriage with Amanda just got out of marriage with Kyle, who's best friend. So really, all in all, like, if these two are dating, it's his biggest scandal.

[B]

It is, it is. And the reason why I didn't believe it at first was because when it first came up like, a couple of weeks ago on Dumois, I feel like it was very quickly shut down by them. And then it came back again, and I don't know what caused the resurgence, but I did see Amanda responding to a comment about it being like, exactly like somebody was making a point. But beyond that, everything is pointing to it actually being true. He was asked about it on Watch Happens Live, and it was like an exercise and had how to, like, watch someone lie. Like, it was so, yeah, he really dodged the question.

[A]

He said, like, she's my good friend. He did ultimately say that it's not true. So that would have been a lie if it is true. But let me tell you how I feel about this. Like, for, from last week, I said, like, I really don't believe this. It's, it's too outrageous. Her friendship with Sierra is so important to her. She would never just, like, throw that away for a guy. That's so the antithesis of, like, the girls in this house, like, their best friends. They, they wouldn't, she wouldn't do that. Now people more and more are saying that it's true and, like, no one is confirming or denying it. And it's become, like, the biggest rumor ever. And it more so makes me think that it's not true. And I feel like the reason that people aren't debunking it is because this is amazing for the show. I, I, I said a couple of weeks ago I was, I wasn't really keeping up that much with the show. It wasn't interesting to me. Now I'm watching again with fresh eyes. There definitely is a thread between Amanda and West. Now, it could either be a very close friendship or it's like they've always had a little torch held for one another.

[B]

So I have thought that Amanda, while she was married, was always acting really inappropriate with a lot of the guys in the house, not just west, especially Jesse, too. Like, the leaving the comments. It was always so, so flirty. My best friend, my brother, my Brother. My brother. So there people are going back and being like, well, look at them here

[A]

and look at them.

[B]

They're all really weird and touchy. And especially I've always thought it was extra weird for Amanda because she was the only one who was married.

[A]

No. And she's, like, touchy with everyone except her husband.

[B]

Her husband?

[A]

Yeah. She's, like, sitting on the couch, like, so close to west or standing at the table so close to west or Jesse or even Ben, the new guy. And none of that energy for her husband. But obviously they, like, hate each other.

[B]

Yeah. So I think going back, I've always thought that it was inappropriate and weird, but, like, they've just really maintained that you would never date a cast.

[A]

Me, I talked up to immaturity, like, the way that they're all, like, super so close. Guy friends, girlfriends, brothers, sisters. Like, I'm like, oh, that's how you act when you're much younger. And so I thought it was just like. And, you know, you're in a sharehouse, you're on tv. I think it's just like, it forces people to be really close and they're just, like, all on top of each other, laying in bed together.

[B]

Brother, sister, a thousand percent. So I really, up until recently, was. And I, I think, also part of my disbelief in it. It's like, it's hard to imagine someone could be so dumb. Um, not only Amanda, like, turning on your friend. And she and Sierra, like, they. The girls of Summer House, really pride themselves. Like, I think every episode it's girls, girl, girls, girl, girl. And it's like, for her, it's so incongruous with what I thought I knew about her. And from just, like a business perspective, there is this sort of trope of the scorned women of Bravo going on to exceed the network and become she. Ariana's hosting Love Island. Paige desorbo, even though I don't consider her the same, because she was, like, gonna get there no matter what. It doesn't really have a lot to do with her breakup, but the breakup really accelerated her in a lot for a lot of people who didn't know her. Like, it is this sort of track that it puts you out. And it was starting for Amanda. Like, if you in the last couple of weeks slash months, the brand deals, the commercials, the events, like it was starting. She was going to end up hosting, you know, the reunion of Unwell Praise.

[A]

Yeah, I agree, but what you just said, I do not believe a person could be so stupid. I actually don't think that that's possible. She could have dated any man on this planet Earth and been championed for that, except for one person and one person.

[B]

The.

[A]

The. And the idea that she's so, like, diplomatized by west that she would throw away her friendships, her career, her reputation, I genuinely do not believe it. And I think that this rumor came out. Everyone thought it was, like, really crazy, but I think they saw how much people were caught up in it, and they were all like, let's sort of, like, let this fester. It's so good for the show. And I think in a couple days, they'll either say they'll debunk it or they'll continue posting as normal. And the people, not me, people, will look so stupid.

[B]

Austin Kroll posted like, everyone's getting involved. I think people 100. Except I did a little recourse. What I know is that the person I spoke to said that this is true, that there's actually a video that is either coming out or they're really trying to stop it from getting out. And we should be expecting to hear from, like, a joint statement. Amanda and West. That's just what I heard.

[A]

Text me who told you that? So I can, like, take the. See how credible it is. I also think you'll hear from someone who heard from someone legit. That's true. That it is true, but I'm telling you, I really don't think so. I saw a tweet that was, like, such a sleigh. It said, amanda. If true, Amanda just pulled a generational fumble of goodwill.

[B]

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. That trope of scorned women of Bravo is powerful. You know, they get their Call her Daddy episode. They get, like, the. The track she was on, and we haven't even seen the worst of it. Right. Last week was just the Kyle thing. Kyle responded to a tweet. The tweet was like, it's funny how we're all talking about, like, how Sierra feels, how Blake feels, and nobody's talking about how Kyle feels.

[A]

Like I am talking about how Kyle feels.

[B]

And he responded with, like, a little emoji with a crying tear. So they're all engaging in very vague ways, which does support your theory of them just playing it up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it's also hard to imagine Amanda would be okay with her reputation, even if it's not true, with letting this. Her. Letting her name be dragged.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So long.

[A]

I agree. But, like, this is really good for the show and the next show, and I think ultimately if you didn't do anything wrong, then you're sort of like sitting back laughing with Ciara, just being like, everybody is watching our show and we're the biggest story in the country and we didn't even do anything. And it's like based on nonsense. People can just say what they want. Yeah, I see who your source is. A good source. But I just want to say that's also the source of the friend of the friend that I heard. So it's like all coming from one source.

[B]

True.

[A]

It's all coming from one source. Yeah, a legit source. Jumoi is really the one carrying the ball down the field on this. I think she's taking her entire reputation on it.

[B]

She needs this to be true. She needs it to not be Brandon Chart us.

[A]

Like, and if it is not true, that's an L for her because she's really the one taking it up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm Weston.

[B]

See, after the rumor was first debunked like a week later, DEO had a picture of West End Sierra out together.

[A]

Yeah. But I also feel like there she announced or she soft launched like a guy. Right.

[B]

She a picture.

[A]

Amanda.

[B]

Who did Amanda. Oh, oh. By the way. So the other theory here is that all of this is getting mixed up because Amanda's actually seeing West's friend.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Who's not on the show. Who we don't know. He's like just a civilian. Like, he looks like Wes. He's Wes 2.0.

[A]

Yes. So she soft launched the friend. So when people saw her, like, said that she was kissing west, other people were like, no, it's the friend. I don't think this whole thing is just one big confusion. Like, no, it's so easily cleared up.

[B]

That's the thing.

[A]

No, but they don't want. Why would they clear it up right now when it's people are watching more episodes, talking about them like, well, one

[B]

thing we know about west is like, he cares deeply what the fans think about him. And I don't know if he would be okay with letting this go on. And Amanda has eight years of like six solid work on reality tv. People really like her. It's a lot of goodwill to throw away.

[A]

Yeah. But like, then it will come right back. And then people be like, how could we ever think that of you?

[B]

I know, I, I, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I'm not.

[B]

Lindsay Hubbard posted like, and Austin was like, and it's funny to think about Austin and all this because Austin Crow posted like, oh, I guess dating your friend's exes is back in style, and I guess he's talking to Amanda like your friend's ex, Sierra's ex. But also he is involved with Sierra, so maybe west is his friend. Do you know what I mean?

[A]

Like, or maybe he's just talking about something completely different. Also, like, Lindsay Hubbard is sort of his ex. Like, Right. It's all very confusing. I feel like everyone's playing into it to a degree that they can get away with. They're not. Like, no one said this is true. Yeah, everyone's just sort of, like, toying with the idea. I think, like, Hannah Burner had had some reposts that were curious about, like,

[B]

you know, on which platform.

[A]

Tick tock. Go to her.

[B]

Oh, Karma. Like, oh, about Amanda.

[A]

Yeah, go to her. Tick tock. Reposts.

[B]

Oh, by the way, that's the most interesting part of this whole thing. The Paige Hannah Amanda dynamic and how this splits it up even more.

[A]

Yeah, it does.

[B]

Okay. Hannah Burner reposts. Sorry. That real men do not care if

[A]

you're a man hater. Like, no, not that giggly squad. Hold on. This. That. I think it was that.

[B]

Oh, okay. Will villainize you more than a person

[A]

who realizes that you have clocked who they really are and not who they're pretending to be.

[B]

No one will villain I. And she also left a comment. Oop. But I feel like. Hold on. That could be explained away.

[A]

There's another repost that I saw on reels. Oh, but she unreposted it.

[B]

Unless it was fake news or maybe she thought people were, like, looking too much into it and she was just, like, reposting something she liked, not, like, giving commentary on the state of the

[A]

union, which would make it not true.

[B]

But Hannah Burner is a very interesting player in this game.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just know Hannah Burner sleeps so well at night, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, these people were really awful to her. And I know everybody's like, did you watch her season? Yeah. She was annoying and she didn't do the dishes, like, grow up. What they did to her was so crazy. And the fact that she was able to, like, recover a little bit and then a little bit more and is now more famous and successful than all of them. Like, I just know she loves this, you know, especially. And I'm so happy for her.

[A]

I. And I wonder how the, like, Amanda thing is and may they would have, like, become friends again eventually now that she's, like, left Kyle and who knows with this whole thing what's gonna happen, Right? But I think also, like, this Season, Lover boy is really struggling. Kyle is really struggling. Like, he's on the brink of bankruptcy. Because if lover boy goes bankrupt and then he goes bankrupt, he's on the hook.

[B]

He'll default on the loans.

[A]

$4 million. He's really like dire Straits. And it's like, that was the thing, you know, that's apples to apples because that was the thing that, like, they. Why they were so unhappy with her and did what they did. So I feel like that for her, it feels like justice.

[B]

And I feel like the last season of Summer House, like, we were getting kind of close to the possibility of maybe Hannah and Amanda, like, being okay with one another, not friends. But, like, I remember she was asked on Watch what Happens Live about if she went to see, like, a giggly squad tour show in New York, and she was like. Like, no, it's not my place. Like, I don't want to make anyone like, this is Hannah's big day, like, just as much as it is Paige's. And, like, I would never want to make her uncomfortable. And it was just the way that she was speaking about it, even though it's very, like, Taylor versus Kim. She's the Kim.

[A]

Yeah, I'm over it.

[B]

Yeah, she's the.

[A]

You're not the one whose life was ruined.

[B]

I don't know why I just felt like Hannah got to a place where she was so successful, like, it literally didn't matter anymore what happened.

[A]

Never forget your first.

[B]

No, I. By the way, I completely agree. Like, that was so awful, and I just. I'm very. So I feel like the idea of them ever coming together now even more so with all this drama, like, just feels like an impossibility. But it does put Paige in just such a terrible spot, especially because I think what one of Paige's, like, main characteristics and I think why people like her so much is, like, she just rides for her friends, right? Like, she doesn't really even get involved except for the Craig stuff. But, like, there's not, like, a lot of drama around her. She's just always, like, riding for her friends, her friends, her friends, friends. And now she's sort of stuck between two of her friends. And, like, who would you say she is a better friend with?

[A]

Like, Sierra or Amanda?

[B]

Amanda longer, but I feel like Sierra more deep.

[A]

I think so. But we don't know. We only know what we see on the show, like, which is like, yeah, three days of a One of a season. Like, yeah. What happens the rest of the year? I don't know.

[B]

I think that's true.

[A]

If it's true or not. I. I maintain that it's not. I'm sorry. Like, that would be the stupidest thing I ever heard. Except the only thing that I could maybe imagine is, like, what if they're in love all out and they just made out? Not like they're trying. They're in love and they're carrying on an affair and they have to, like, get everyone around them to accept it. Like, what if they just, like, up and made out, like, drunk?

[B]

Yeah, that's different. But I want to say when I picture this being true, I picture it as them, like, being actually in love. They're kind of really similar.

[A]

I heard that, like, no, they're staying together and they need to figure out how to, like.

[B]

Well, they have to.

[A]

But you're really going to risk it all for a guy whose shelf life is six months.

[B]

Well, a relationship. But what do we know about Amanda? She has some of the worst taste in men of all time, so. Oh, please don't.

[A]

What do you think?

[B]

I'm gonna say it's something positive about Kyle Cook?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

I was gonna say, everything else aside, they're kind of perfect for each other.

[B]

Yes. I think that they have very similar, like, just general dispositions. They're very, like, chill. I'm very calm. Like, I feel like it would be a quiet relationship. I. Aside from him being, like, a classic boy, never gonna settle down. Like, wastes people time. It's just, like, a bad call on her part. Personality wise. I do feel like they're better suited for one another than Weston, Sierra and Amanda and Kyle. Well, obviously, like, me and the man on the street are better suited for one another than Amanda and Kyle.

[A]

Like, it's really insane how long they've been together. How long they were married. On the episode I was watching last night, they had, like, a really bad fight. He, like, cursed at her the night before. It was, like, so nasty. Actually, I wouldn't even call it a fight because she didn't do anything. He just, like, walked past her and was like, you. Because she left. He was inside DJing. It was very pathetic, honestly. They came back.

[B]

He was inside.

[A]

They came back from the club to the house. He went to his DJ kit and, like, starts playing tunes. People are, like, dancing a little bit, but then everybody goes outside and he's, like, swimming and in the hot tub and hanging out outside. It's his birthday weekend and he's inside DJing for no one. And he was. He feels like Amanda should be inside, like, with him and, you know, getting people to, like, be with him, like, support him, whatever, instead.

[B]

Why don't you move your speaker outside?

[A]

He did, but then it was, like, too late. He put in everyone's face and was, like. It was really bad.

[B]

So pathetic.

[A]

It was really bad. And so he was, like, embarrassed, frustrated, drunk, and, like, butt hurt. And he, like. He's like, you to her. And then it was like everyone was shook. And then what? They go into the bathroom and he's still trying to, like, prove his point of feeling, like, alone, and he. Yeah, he's a wreck. And then he calls her, like, a dumb. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And then, like, west is, like, you know, the middle man, like, trying to get him to apologize to Amanda, like, defending his girlfriend. And so just watching everything now, like, through the lens. Is there something there? Oh. So anyways, after that fight, the next day, someone was like, why did they stay together after that?

[B]

Right.

[A]

No, no. Like, why are they together? And, like, nobody could answer the question. Why does she say, like, why? What's one thing?

[B]

There's not one positive thing about their relationship. I don't think that there is a singular moment of joy, especially towards the end.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think part of it is, like, not wanting everyone to have been right about you and your relationship. We told you before you even got engaged. Like, get. Get out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, you know how I feel about Kyle Cook. Now. Pass me. I want to tell you not to get lost in these petty things. Your nemesis will defeat themselves before you get the chance to swing Annie's passing by. Like, there was a time when, like, if I saw Kyle Cook on the street, like, I actually would have squared up and punched him in the jaw. Like, he called my husband a liar. Like, there was a time where he was my number one nemesis. And, like, now I actually just feel bad for him. Like, he's on the verge of homelessness.

[A]

I feel like calling him your nemesis. It's like, it's not even worthy.

[B]

Yeah, No, I agree. I agree. But, like, look, like, look at you. Like, yeah, look at me.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. No, it's, like, sad.

[B]

I know. It's like, I actually feel bad making fun of him because he's such a loser. Like, desperate, jobless, single, yellow belly loser.

[A]

So now can we talk about something else? Or, like, do you guys want us to talk about this more? Just kidding. I felt like I need to get to death. Yeah, we need to get that all out there. And I just want to say I don't believe it still. I don't believe It.

[B]

Wow. Okay. That's like when you didn't think Kim and Kanye were getting divorced. It's true.

[A]

Oh, yeah. And you didn't think Travis and Taylor.

[B]

We all have, like, things we are just in denial about.

[A]

Because. Because to believe that it's true. I'm sorry. Like, bigger than scandal. Worse.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Except that they were carrying on an affair and whatever, blah, blah, blah. Like, I feel like this was just like, this is like smaller and they weren't married or anything, but.

[B]

And also Raquel and Ariana were like very new friends.

[A]

Yeah. Vanderpump Rules is a mess. Like.

[B]

No, I know. And they live in la. Like, nobody is loyal to you. Expect your boyfriend to be loyal. But I do feel like Ariana and I think of Ariana and Amanda so similarly because they both were with people who were awful and like, we're always defending them and, like, stayed with them and then they became like this big victim. And it's like, I don't actually feel bad for you. Like, if anything, you're a victim of your own choices. And so we all have to be here being like Ariana, where it's like, up until the Scandal thing, every episode you were riding for him. And it's like, we knew he was this egotistical, narcissistic monster and you kept telling us how great he was and moved into a house and bought a house and froze your eggs with him. And it's like, same with Amanda. And we knew he cheated on you before you even got engaged. We have known for 10 years that he's a piece of and he was not going to end up, like, being the greatest husband. And then we're all like, she's free. She's free from a self imposed prison. She took herself, locked the key and threw it away.

[A]

Yeah. The difference is, is that even though Ariana, like, was in this relationship that none of us can understand, like, something unfair happened to her, you know, something happened.

[B]

Something wrong.

[A]

Something wrong. Like something. A betrayal of multiple degrees. So she was really like this scorned, wronged woman. Amanda Kyle just like, decided to end what they were doing. Yeah.

[B]

No, but like, all this, like, she's free. Like, all this free from what?

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

The consequences of her actions.

[A]

Our next story. We mentioned it a wee bit, but Alex Cooper is setting a YouTube reality competition show featuring reality TV veterans and villains and influencers.

[B]

I feel like I read it. It's being poised as sort of. It sounds like House of Villains.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know that E show where, like, people who come off reality tv. Sandoval's on it like crazy people. I think Kim Zolciak was on it. Polarizing.

[A]

Yeah, but I think reality TV people are polarizing. I think, you know, some of the people are. Maybe that's how she's selling it. Because some of these people are really not palatable. So it's like. Oh yeah, well, that's the point. They're polarizing.

[B]

Right. But then there's also like beloved influencers on there, like Julia Porter, Julian Julia Porter, Dylan Kevich, you know him, Shut the up. And me like, he's so crazy. No, he runs around the city like actually being crazy. So he's not polarized.

[A]

So here are the details if you. If, if I may. Now, Unwell Network announced their new series, Unwell Winter Games. Set to premiere next week on YouTube. The four episode series brings together 16 contestants at a luxury chalet in Park City to compete in a series of mental and physical challenges over four days. The competitors include from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Dakota.

[B]

That's why everyone's talking about this, mind you.

[A]

Yes. And Demi and

[B]

Huda.

[A]

Oh, well, that was from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Then we also have like Love island alum Huda Mustafa, who was just got a restraining order for threatening her boyfriend's

[B]

child and breaking and entering into the house.

[A]

Right. Then we also have Anna Delvey. Oh, and Huda's boyfriend's on the show too. Louie.

[B]

Are they still together?

[A]

I never saw otherwise.

[B]

Or maybe this was. Is this. Has this been filmed already?

[A]

Yeah, definitely. Because winter is like over.

[B]

Oh, right. But Park City's always winter. But.

[A]

Yeah, but it's April. Like.

[B]

Yeah, I know, you're right.

[A]

They definitely filmed it a couple months ago. Then we also have Anna Delvey, Juliet Porter, Alyssa Violet, who is Jake Paul's ex.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Andrew Vedder, Cameron Gerard, Dylan Kevich. You said Al Booker from Love Island. Akinsu from Love Island, Gleb from Dancing with the Stars, Harry Bachelder, Hannah Stocking, Joe from the back.

[B]

Was that.

[A]

What'd I say?

[B]

Go back.

[A]

Hannah Stocking before Halle Bachelder. Hallie Pachelder.

[B]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

But what did I say?

[B]

You said like how to betchy. Like you literally did not speak English.

[A]

Oh, I'm sorry. Hannah Botchilder. I'm trying out new ways. Love Joe from Bachelor and his wife Serena.

[B]

Oh, she's really polarizing. Stop.

[A]

She's actually the sweetest lady on earth.

[B]

I'm kidding. She's like the nicest girl ever. She's like so soft spoken. Yeah, but I don't know why she's House of Villain type show.

[A]

I don't think it's meant to be House of Villains. I feel like maybe that's how they're feeling.

[B]

I read a description about and it's being marketed as polarizing figures from reality tv.

[A]

Okay. Well, I feel like that's how they're selling it because in the months, because

[B]

there's a bunch of criminals on the

[A]

show, they filmed it. Dakota and Huda have turned out to be people that should not be on reality tv. And what are they going to do? Can the whole show, much like the Bachelorette, But I feel like ABC can do what they want. You know, the ABC brand is more important than one season of the Bachelorette.

[B]

Of course. And when you think about abc, they're a part of this, like, legendary Disney, like, they hold themselves to extremely high standard. Correct me if I'm wrong, this is a show on YouTube.

[A]

This is a show on YouTube. But I'm sure they put a lot of resources into filming it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's a big deal for them. And they're not just going to scrap it because two people are crazy. Like, I don't think that they have the same sort of things to worry about as ABC does. And instead they're just feeling it as, like, polarizing and hopefully, you know, that will cover the stink.

[B]

Right, Right. I, for one, will not be watching this, only because, like, this is not my type of show. I don't watch House of Villains. Like, I actually really don't like shows like that. People are taking a stand. I think a lot of people feel it's unfair. But you have to remember that, like, this is compared to abc Disney, like, a much smaller operation. But I literally saw an. I sent it to you. I saw a headline in New York magazine today. Where is that chat? So this is what the headline on Twitter is. So Dakota Mortensen can do Alex Cooper's new competition series, but we can't get Taylor. Frankie's Paul. Taylor for Paul. Paul's season of the Bachelor. Like Paul. So different. So different.

[A]

Yeah. Also Huda. I'm sorry.

[B]

Oh, she's just as bad.

[A]

She's apples to apples with Taylor. There was a child involved.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And also, I'll say, playing devil's advocate for Dakota for a second, even though I do think he's a bad guy. And I think it takes me, too. I think it was both of them. There's actually, like, nothing out there.

[B]

Tangent doesn't have a. Yeah.

[A]

A record of him being abusive no, there's no police.

[B]

There's nothing. She's the one who's been arrested.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Huda. She's got a rap sheet. Like, what are we doing?

[A]

Yeah. So I think the Huda thing is more comparable to be like, why is this person gonna be platformed? But I do think that, you know, billing it as, like, polarizing and just sort of being like, here you go. Take it or leave it is how they're gonna market this. But it does seem sort of incongruous with, like, the tone of, like, call her daddy, which would never stand for something like this.

[B]

Yeah. So that's what I also thought was shocking because I feel like up until now, Alex Cooper has really become very successful, and she's very smart about how she plays things, and she's, like, very pro. That's why when she had Colton on her show, she got a lot of backlash for it. I feel like she actually really internalized that and, like, never did something like that. Like, post traders. Post. No, no, no, no. Post Cassie, like, when coming, like, around the coming out. Colton era. Yeah. She had a lot of. For that, and I feel like she generally doesn't deviate from her sort of, like, safe, you know, Lane. And this is the first time she's ever done something that's, like, kind of controversial, you know?

[A]

Yeah. No, I just feel like it's two different mentalities. One where I'm like, call her daddy. These conversations, everyone's like, you know, talking about their trauma and their abusers and everything.

[B]

Safe space.

[A]

And it's like, you would never platform the sort of people that are doing this to other people. And then we have this show.

[B]

Unfortunate because I don't believe it was intentional. The Huda and the Dakota stuff happened literally last week.

[A]

I don't think they can afford to can it. So what should you.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think they can do there. So I think putting, like, the little spin on it. Yeah, you're right. By the way. Marketing it as, like, polarizing. That's not what it was intended to be. But it just so happens that two of the biggest names on there in the last month both committed egregious crimes.

[A]

And, like, the other 14 people are, like, fine. Oh, I guess Anna Delvey's also a

[B]

criminal, but nobody cares. She was on Dancing with the stars.

[A]

Yeah. And it was, like, white collar and

[B]

Adeli, like, stole from a bank. So, like, people don't care, you know? Yeah. No, you're right. They don't. It's a small. It's A, you know, it's getting bigger, but it's a small company relative to like the other ABC and canning it and like literally all the money that they spent on it, it's already been filmed is sort of not an option. So they're just getting creative and I respect that.

[A]

Yeah, it's one way. So that that's coming to YouTube soon. Are you ready for our next story?

[B]

Unwell's really kind of. They've been saying for a while like I think when people compare like media companies they always say like the female version of barstool, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I feel like actually unwell is actually the female version of our stuff for a while.

[A]

I don't think it's so female oriented. It that's, you know, it feels pretty neutral. Maybe it's more female. Call her daddy is more female.

[B]

But like no, reality TV in general is very feminine. And I feel like so much of what call her daddy does recently they've really dived into like reality TV pop culture versus like Jimmy Fallon type. And that's like exclusively female.

[A]

Yeah. But it doesn't feel like the female like I think which is good.

[B]

It feels just like when I think about like they, they have like a million random YouTube shows. Barstool with like their people, like I don't know, their, you know, stars save barstool. What are all those shows? You know, like and they do like they put Joey Kamasta like on a bus for a month.

[A]

Like oh yeah, like barstool beach house.

[B]

Yeah. And like road rules, Whatever. Yeah. And so it's starting to feel similar to that with it which I think is kind of smart because there's been like a feel like for so long. They're like, oh, that's the female version of barstool. And it's like not, you know, I feel like this kind of is.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story?

[B]

Three.

[A]

Three. Yeah. Some content news. A new Kennedy series has unveiled their star studded cast.

[B]

So the Kennedy and Wait, I finished love story last night.

[A]

The Kennedys are getting the crown treatment and we have some early casting. So Michael Fassbender will be playing Joe seniors.

[B]

And who's Joe Kennedy? Senior. JFK's dad?

[A]

I think so.

[B]

Okay. I don't really know what he looks like. But let's see.

[A]

Michael, he's the ambitious patriarch and self made multi millionaire who served as U. S. Ambassador to the UK from 1938 to 1940.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Then we have Laura Donnelly as Rose Kennedy. I'm gonna assume that's his wife.

[B]

Like I don't know what these people look like, but slay mama.

[A]

Nick Robinson as Joe Kennedy Jr. So that's Joe Kennedy Senior's oldest son.

[B]

Is that JFK's brother?

[A]

Yeah. I wonder why he was.

[B]

Oh, Nick Robinson's a cutie. What do I know him from? Oh yeah, love Simon.

[A]

Then Joshua Melnick is Jack Kennedy. That is jfk.

[B]

Oh, okay, wait. Oh, he's like a true like newbie. He has like one headshot on IMDb.

[A]

Oh. But I feel like this is the role of a lifetime.

[B]

Oh, big time. Because they're comparing it to the Crown where it's like very researched, thoughtfully done. More historical, less fiction, but historical fiction.

[A]

Yeah. I personally need this as I really don't know a lot about the family.

[B]

Me neither. And I feel like love story piqued an interest in a lot of people in the Kennedys. Although it didn't successfully scratch the itch because it, it was so bad. I watched a finale last night. Spoiler alert. They die. And what's crazy about the whole story is, and I didn't know this when I was watching it, like, like their, their plane crashed. Do you know like why the plane crashed?

[A]

He was pilot and they didn't have their, their co pilot that day.

[B]

Yeah, but so what happened? Like.

[A]

Oh, mechanically you mean?

[B]

Yeah, I don't know. Nothing. So he was flying at night. He was an inexperienced pilot. And there's something that can happen when you're driving above the sea at night where you're like rely on the reflection of the ocean to be your light. It can be extremely disorienting where the night sky and the dark ocean become one and you don't even realize that you are not flying straight. You're not flying parallel to the ground. Everything sort of just becomes black to you and you almost have like a panic attack. Your eyes like you go cross eyed. And he was flying at night above the sea with two young girls, like literally by himself. The co pilot couldn't come and he had like a broken leg and he just like starts going cross eyed and crash right into the ocean and kill them both on impact and himself, of course.

[A]

Oh my God. Who was the other person in the plane?

[B]

Her sister. So the mother. They show the funeral proceedings and I knew this. The mother is ended up suing the Kennedy family for wrongful death. And she won because it wasn't mechanical or weather. It was true pilot error.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Like he was not capable of flying.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

And only like a real, you know, like, wealthy. Like, cool. I could do it, you know? And Constance Zimmer plays their mother. She was really good. And it's. It. It's. It's such a crazy story. And it was so poorly done. Like, it was just really awful. The beginning episodes were kind of good. I don't know what the hell happened. But for me, at least, I really don't know a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

About the Kennedy dynasty. And at the time, like, now we

[A]

think of, like, the last.

[B]

We're always talking about, like, Jack Schlossberg, and it's like, okay. Like, that's.

[A]

You're always talking about Jack. No, but I'm saying that's the last remaining rfk.

[B]

Oh, sure. And also the Schwarzeneggers, Maria Shriver. Shriver. Shriver. But there's not like, this political dynasty. There's not this, like, beloved family. There's just, like, Connor Kennedy. They're just like stragglers, like, remnants of the family. And we weren't alive at the time.

[A]

Carol Radswell.

[B]

Right. So we weren't alive at the time. And I think it's so fascinating, and I love. Is this being done at Netflix?

[A]

Oh, I'm not sure. Oh, yeah, it's Netflix. Yes.

[B]

Brilliant. Like, so brilliant. I would love to know more.

[A]

Wyatt Russell's playing Charles Lindberg, who's the pilot. So I guess he's, like, a big figure in their lives. And Eddie Marson is J. Edgar Hoover, who's the FBI director.

[B]

Oh. And what's crazy also about Carolyn and John is when they died, they, like, they didn't know that they had died. They were the family. They were all meeting at Hyannis Port, and their plane never made it. So the plane was missing. And, like, the covers of the newspapers the following days were, like, missing, missing. So it wasn't like, you know, RIP it was like this sort of mystery at first.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they found. They were found. Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. So crazy story. Such a bad show.

[A]

Damn. Well, this. This sounds good. I'm excited for this.

[B]

Me, too. And, like, I feel like since the Crown ended, my life has been significantly worse.

[A]

Yeah. And stupider. And just, like, less. Less vivid and less rage, like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And just brain rot and just bad. Yeah. Agreed.

[B]

They should have continued it.

[A]

You should watch the Crown again. But, like, I did. I'll just.

[B]

I'm sorry.

[A]

Too much. Lizzy.

[B]

I watched the first season of the Crown postpartum. Ben was. We watched the Heiress and the Empress. What's that?

[A]

Empress? Yeah. Cece.

[B]

So good. And he was like, what's more like this. I'm like, yeah. And he was like, no. I don't know why we stopped it.

[A]

It's so good.

[B]

So good.

[A]

Are you ready for our fourth story?

[B]

No, Alex Earl, I'm not.

[A]

Oh, you're not ready for Alex Earl.

[B]

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Thank you. Code turt.

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You're welcome. Code jerk.

[A]

Our fourth story, Alex Earl. She's doing press for Real Octavies, which launch today, and she's answering the question of whether or not she would be the Bachelorette.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know that we were asking that question.

[A]

Jennifer. She was on the Today show. Jennifer Hager was, like, saying how. I guess a big question is, like, who's going to be the next Bachelorette? Like, where does the franchise go from here? Do they pluck someone from years of yore? Or, like, do they try to go for, like, a celebrity Bachelorette again? They asked her if she would be interested in doing.

[B]

I guess I haven't really thought about, like, what does this mean for the franchise?

[A]

Yeah. Like, what should happen next? Do they do another season of Bachelorette? Do they just go to Bachelor? Do they pick one of Taylor's guys? Do they go.

[B]

Maybe they pick the winner, like, Doug and do you.

[A]

Have you seen Doug and Taylor, like, flirting on social media?

[B]

I mean, honestly, based on what I know about her choice in men, actually, he would make a terrible Bachelor.

[A]

Yeah. Also, but it's like, it seems like they're still flirting. They should be together. I don't know. So do they go into the archives? Do they pick another celeb Bachelorette?

[B]

But anyway, she said no, obviously. Sorry. You don't get to date Tom Brady and then also be the Bachelorette. Like, you could. It's one or the other. No.

[A]

And it's like, again, like, she doesn't want to just be with, like, some rando wannabe influencer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think we need. I don't know.

[B]

I don't know. The franchise was on its last leg, and even though this has been, like, so much drama, I do feel like it's ultimately been good because we're talking about the Bachelorette for the first time in five years.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Although I don't know what this means for the future of it. And I don't know if this is a ringing endorsement necessarily for, like, casting people outside of the franchise. Like, maybe the beauty of it was that it was normies.

[A]

Yeah, I think it was. And, like, thoroughly, like, vetted people who don't have much of, like, a public history.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So back to.

[B]

To the drawing board.

[A]

Back to the drawing board. Anyway, she said no, and then she was talking about her new show, how she's a little worried her family's not media trained, so she's.

[B]

Oh, you know what? I forgot that we have that coming.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like it'll be a while, though.

[B]

I know.

[A]

I feel like they're filming right now. Like, the real.

[B]

They are. They are.

[A]

Because this is, like, interesting stuff. Yeah.

[B]

She's really crushing it. I'm so curious how her skincare line is going to do. Obviously, whenever, like, a celebrity launches something, the first drop is huge, you know, And I'm sure it's sold out already. I don't know if it's out whatever, like, immediate, because the reception online has been overwhelmingly positive about the products, the ingredients, the launch, yada, yada. But I wonder if, like, this is gonna be, like, her thing, you know?

[A]

Yeah. I will say I also think it's, like, pretty niche category, you know, even everybody loves her and wants to support her. Like, doesn't need this product, which I think almost, like, helps her sort of. Like, I think niche is good. And it's not like everybody just buys it once and then like, moves on. Like, it can really. I mean, I'm not like, very up on acne brands, but I don't feel like there are that many that blend, like, the modern aesthetic of, like, you know, clean skin makeup that aren't, like, medicine, that are a little bit medicinal, a little bit.

[B]

A lot of them are, like, dermatological.

[A]

Yeah. So prescription, you know, but this is just, like, over the counter, I think. I think the fact that it is niche gives her, like, is a good place to start.

[B]

Me, too. And for me, what it feels like is this Gen Z version of Proactive, which in our day. Oh, my God, the commercials, like, it was the biggest, baddest thing and it really worked for people. You didn't need a prescription. I think you just, like, buy it online, like, on a catalog.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, but it was the biggest thing

[A]

in the world, I guess, like, her cleansing balm. Like, I could use that. Right.

[B]

It's just, like, good ingredients.

[A]

Yeah, Good ingredients, good skin care. Right.

[B]

I'll activate reality acties. Yeah. Better ingredients, better skincare, real activities, real actives. They. Honestly, you could take that one. Alex. Free idea.

[A]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[B]

So soon? Yeah.

[A]

Kylie and Timothy drop into the beach snaps from relaxing vacation.

[B]

No, they don't.

[A]

No, they don't. They each posted separately that they're on.

[B]

What are we in high school? Like, come on, just.

[A]

You have to let them be Kylie and Timothy. At least they're letting.

[B]

It's actually insane that they've never posted a picture online together. Like, actually grow up.

[A]

I know, I wonder why. Like, why couldn't you.

[B]

It would have been fun fine if she posted her, like, sexy beach pics, but then he posted a carousel from the same beach and it's like they definitely took a million photos together and they had to go out of their

[A]

way and not to post them one of them. It's honestly so rude.

[B]

I am annoyed because I love them.

[A]

I love them so much. And it's like you posted Tyga.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Like, post Timothy.

[B]

I'm so upset.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What? Where do you think that was? I feel like they love Turks and Cakes.

[A]

I agree. I feel like they love Turks and Caicos.

[B]

I feel like that's where it was.

[A]

Or maybe the Bahamas. Do you think that, like, stories reading. Oh, my God. She was reading Houseguest.

[B]

I was looking into what she was reading too, and then I ended up on, like, this tick tock where they were, like, showing all of the books Kylie's ever always sitting next to. She was also reading Evelyn Hugo.

[A]

Oh, I'm sorry, she's a little late. Like, that's so unintelligible. But House guess is an interesting choice. I've read it. It's kind of Timothy.

[B]

Maybe Timothy read for a role in what's like a man in Evelyn Hugo. One of the husbands.

[A]

It's not like a great. No, I'm sorry. Evelyn Hugo's like, too commercial for Timothy. He would never. He would never.

[B]

Well, every Timothy movie I've seen, like, I don't like, I just want to say, right.

[A]

That's why he wouldn't read for Evelyn.

[B]

Because he only makes bad movies. Right.

[A]

He only makes, like, you know, non commercially interesting. I guess it actually has been a lot of commercial success. Wonka, call me by your name.

[B]

Yeah, but that was like an indie

[A]

film that blew up, like, but very successful. So it's not about success. I guess about like, dude, commercial appeal. Oh, dude.

[B]

Dune is like his big franchise. I'm telling you. He has a worst taste in. In scripts. Let Kylie pick the next one. Okay.

[A]

No, but he doesn't. Like, it's just not for us. We just have to be able to be objective and say, like, it's not for us. He has the worst season scripts for us.

[B]

For us.

[A]

Like, he's. He's doing really good job out there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She definitely was reading Houseguests. Like, please, Timothy. Even though she wanted to read Coho thousand percent.

[B]

You'd see one of those, like, fake book covers where you're like, reading porn. But there's like, you know, the Odyssey says It says the Odyssey on the outside.

[A]

He should play demon 1000%.

[B]

Actually. He would be a very good demon.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Why haven't they made Demon Copperhead into a movie?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I feel like once a book gets made into a movie, it's like, no longer considered, like, literary.

[A]

I don't know. I also feel like I've seen that movie before. I think I've seen this film before

[B]

and I didn't like the end. Yeah, because you Hillbilly elegy.

[A]

Hillbilly elegy is very like. It's like a non fictional version of that, of Demon.

[B]

And the demon is so popular also.

[A]

What was that show with Michael Keaton about the.

[B]

Oh, my God. My entire life. My entire life was changed. Like, I would be a different person sitting right here if I didn't watch that show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It taught me everything.

[A]

Yeah. So that's why I think Demon's not a movie.

[B]

You're right. I've watched Dope Sick. We don't need both.

[A]

Yeah. I think I've seen this film before

[B]

and I didn't like the ending. What else? I do think.

[A]

What else did this TikTok say that Kylie had read?

[B]

Well, I guess her and Timothy really like playing cards because on her nightstand, like we saw her books and then somebody realized that she had a deck of cards and the cards were a picture of Timothy and Kylie. Like, each card was from them. I think it was at like the first award show that they went to together for the Bob Dylan movie for the day. No, no, sorry. American award show that we saw. And they just had like a cute picture. They didn't walk the carpet or anything, but it was just like a picture of them at the table eating dinner. I feel like it was like the Golden Globes or something. She had a deck of cards with like that as the picture on the card, on the back of the card. Wow.

[A]

She should maj. She.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, she should.

[A]

I think she would like it. She shimage with us if she listens.

[B]

I mean, we're like an elite crew. It's just so hard to find four people. Like, that's the hard part about mahjong is like, I only have like one friend. No.

[A]

It's either like, I have two people to play with or I have six.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

Four is a tough number. Do you think Kylie still listens to the toast?

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah, she's moved on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I just want to say when that thing was happening where we're like, kylie, if you listen, like, post a picture of your nails. Post a picture of a tree. Should we try again? See if she still listens?

[B]

Okay, ready?

[A]

Kylie, if you listen, post a picture

[B]

of a book of you and Timothy.

[A]

No.

[B]

What did you say?

[A]

A book. A book. That's a good one. She's. She has. She's gonna be like, very low key. You have to troll her Tick Tock. I'll keep an eye on Instagram.

[B]

Yeah, I feel like it'll be Instagram stories because she knows that you don't participate on Tick tock. Kylie, post on your stories what you're currently reading if you're still a toaster

[A]

or like, any sort. If there is a book in Kylie's stories, it could be like a picture of a shelf. Like, that's how she did with nails. It was like an ulta new release and she, like, showed her nails.

[B]

Chloe also had a toast era, although I don't believe she currently listens.

[A]

No.

[B]

Who did I recently find out as a toaster? Oh, I told you. Madison lacroix. People DM me being like, oh, my God, I can't believe it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, girl, get with the program. But see, I was happy to hear about Madison Lacquer because even if I wanted to, we couldn't think of something negative to say about her.

[A]

Like, I don't care what you so much. That means the world to me.

[B]

But when somebody lets me know that they listen and like, sometimes I have thoughts like that are not overwhelmingly positive about them, it does put me in a hard spot.

[A]

Yes. But I do think, like, knowing that they're a toaster just makes me like, genuinely feel better about. Better than their sense of judgment, you know?

[B]

Yeah. Ultimately, I'm committed to the craft and I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say.

[A]

I'm gonna say it, mention it all.

[B]

So I do feel like today was very summer house heavy. I would feel comfortable moving to your toasters till tomorrow.

[A]

I feel very comfortable with that.

[B]

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