An Unremarkable Student: Monday, January 26th, 2026

Summary

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The Toast – "An Unremarkable Student": Monday, January 26th, 2026

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Episode Theme:
A blend of chaotic personal anecdotes, pop culture deep dives, and fiercely funny sisterly banter, with a heavy focus on reality TV recaps (especially The Traitors), viral moments like Netflix’s “Skyscraper Live,” and candid discussion about the ebbs and flows of daily (and celebrity) life.

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Main Theme / Purpose

This energetic episode opens with Claudia recounting a series of ridiculous morning mishaps—her fall at Trader Joe’s, a hazardous gas-station incident, and an accidental run-in with a fire truck—setting the tone for a show centered on relatable chaos and sisterly support. The hosts then pivot into dissecting weekend TV events (notably Netflix’s Skyscraper Live and The Traitors), pop culture news (Taylor Swift’s and Travis Kelce’s moms hanging out, Pat McGrath's bankruptcy), and Bravo buzz (a budding Summer House/Southern Charm romance). Throughout, they riff on fame, internet culture, and the wild world of reality TV—maintaining their signature wit and irreverence.

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Episode Breakdown

1. Claudia’s Chaotic Morning: Cheese, Schmutz & Flammable Toes (00:25–04:40)

• Trader Joe’s Mishap: Claudia shares how a quest for grilled cheese fixings led to her slipping on a dried fruit (“fig-like structure”) and (possibly) an impending lawsuit.
  • Quote — Claudia (01:12): “I slipped on a fig. Fig like, structure. I don't know what it was. And I caught myself at the—like I was on the floor, but I caught myself. Like, my ass didn't hit the floor, but it hurt so fucking bad.”
• Compounding Bad Luck: She then describes pumping gas (in sandals) and getting gasoline on her toe, fostering fears of becoming “flammable foot girl.”
  • Quote — Claudia (04:01): “And as I was, like, removing the nozzle... like a little bit of gas, like, dripped on my toe. Isn't that weird? And then I felt like I had this, like, flammable foot.”
• Embarrassing Encounters: Rounds out with confessions about not yielding to a fire truck (“I felt like such a low life...”), framing the rest of the episode as a comedy of errors.

2. Driving Woes & Societal Observations (04:40–08:02)

• The sisters compare tough/funny encounters on the road—Jackie’s anxiety at no-right-on-red train tracks, Claudia’s musings about urban vs. suburban driving, and the existential weirdness of coexisting with trains.
  • Quote — Claudia (07:24): “It's crazy that we drive amongst the trains.”
  • Quote — Jackie (07:56): “It's kind of like your period. You and the trains are synced up.”

3. Weekend Recaps: Beach Days & Water Sign Discourse (11:24–12:54)

• A quick update on family time, beach days (water sign affirmations), and zodiac skepticism.
  • Quote — Claudia (11:38): “What more could a water sign ask for? Honestly, what more? Nothing. Right?”

4. Book Club & Spooky iPad Swap (12:54–14:43)

• Jackie teases a format shake-up to their podcast “Redheads,” now letting whoever picks the book host the episode. Discussion segues into confusing identical iPad cases—another side plot illustrating their real-life entanglement.
  • Quote — Jackie (13:43): “Spookiness is a plenty here at the toast this morning.”

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Fast Five Stories (Pop Culture Breakdown and Recaps)

1. Skyscraper Live on Netflix: Death-Defying or Just Dumb? (17:58–26:40)

• Alex Honnold’s live-streamed free-climb up Taipei 101 delivers shock and controversy.

  • Claudia's Take (18:24): “I am a skyscraper truther. I have a very hard time believing Netflix was going to let a man die on television.”
  • Both hosts are skeptical: “He only got paid $500,000. Like that’s not a lot for that.” (21:15)
  • Morality & Safety: The sport is called “reckless” and “stupid,” with concern for copycat behavior.
  • Production Details: 10-second delay for safety, but hosts don’t believe major risk was ever present. Claudia details the anticlimactic reunion at the top between Honnold and his wife, both labeled “crazy people.”
  • Quote — Claudia (21:49): “Just crazy people doing crazy things. Obviously. I watched it like—I got got...”

• Memorable Moment: Jackie compares Honnold's dream to "Sully wanting to land on the Hudson" (24:48).

• Both hosts discuss media responsibility and the spectacle’s possible effect on future stunts.

2. Traders Recap: NFL "Scripted"? (08:19–11:41)

• Recap of The Traitors and NFL Super Bowl conspiracy memes. The hosts joke about “scripted” allegations and lack of entertainment value in this year’s teams.
  • Quote — Claudia (09:58): “Is not scripted because it’s boring as hell. Like, where are the celebrities?”
  • Picks: Both choose the Patriots but express overall apathy.

3. Bravo News: Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce’s Moms at Sundance (27:37–33:22)

• Andrea Swift and Donna Kelce sighting at Sundance prompts playful meme-comparisons (“Spiderman meme... they’re the same person” — 27:42) and speculation about the rumored Taylor/Travis engagement troubles.
• Discussion of how their dynamic mirrors celebrity and royal family wedding drama, with psychoanalysis of American vs. British perspectives.
  • Quote — Claudia (32:53): “Like, the US is Harry and Meghan.”
  • Both hosts reminisce about Entourage’s Sundance episodes as their main cultural reference.

4. Pat McGrath Files for Bankruptcy: State of the Beauty Industry (34:05–37:52)

• Jackie and Claudia dissect the unexpected filing, musing on saturated beauty trends driving out brands with legacy appeal or luxury pricing.
  • Quote — Claudia (34:13): “She has been very close to filing for a while, but how shocking because she has so many viral products.”
  • Pat McGrath’s style (bold, not “clean girl”) said to be out of sync with trends.
  • Tangent into Victoria Beckham’s successful pivot from fashion to beauty, and reflections on the cyclical, trend-driven nature of makeup commerce.

5. Bravo Crossover Romance: Carl (Summer House) & Venita (Southern Charm) (46:56–50:24)

• The sisters break down the budding relationship between Carl Radke and Venita, noting its potential value for both shows and comparing it to Paige & Craig's successful inter-show romance.
  • Quote — Jackie (47:39): “Is this the new Paige and Craig?”
  • Thoughts on cast member relevance, the natural evolution of the shows, and the complications of managing relationships for the cameras.
  • Mix of optimism and skepticism about longevity and motives: “Good for BravoCon. Like, it’ll be fun even if it’s just for a moment.” (50:13)

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TV Recaps: The Traitors (50:40–70:28)

Inside Baseball and Cast Dynamics (50:40–62:28)

• Alan Cumming's Interview: Teases wild twists ahead — a “banquet” that will deliver “the greatest TV moment in history.”
  • Quote — Jackie (51:40): “He was asked what’s the greatest TV moment in history? And he said... in season four of the Traitors. There’s something that happens that is just so insane...”
• Gameplay Discussion:
  • High praise for Candace Dillard’s performance as a “crushing” Traitor, but Lisa Rinna is criticized as “horrific”—propped up only because Colton (the “creepy” contestant with a notorious past) is a greater villain.
  • Quote — Claudia (54:28): “He had this... sort of manic twinkle in his eye... so you can see how he did stalk and harass someone because he’s kind of good at it.”
• Editing & Casting Criticism: The show’s psychological toll, intense groupthink, and casting of real-life controversial figures generate discussion about reality TV ethics.
  • Statement Analysis: Claudia and Jackie break down a social media anti-bullying statement by the show, accusing production of hypocrisy in light of their casting choices.
    • Quote — Claudia (64:20): “…If you really cared about bullying and harassment, you wouldn’t have cast a harasser.”

Predictions, Alliances & Banter (62:28–70:28)

• Predictions for Next Moves: Speculation over who Lisa Rinna will “kill” with her brooch, group dynamics, and the difficulty of being a competent Traitor or Faithful.
• Real-life and in-game personalities (Maura, Natalie, Kristen, Johnny, etc.) are discussed—many labeled as “unremarkable,” “group think followers,” or simply “not earning” a win.
• Broader reflection on gaming culture, show format frustrations, and who genuinely “deserves” to win.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Accepting Chaos:
  • Claudia (03:02): “No, I think we decided, like, 500 is my number [for a slip-and-fall lawsuit].”
• On Reality TV Groupthink:
  • Claudia (56:12): “It’s group thing. She’s just getting swayed by the group majority rules.”
• On Teaching Personalities:
  • Claudia (41:01): “She’s always, like, telling me my ideas are half baked and that I didn’t do my homework… which is just my office. I think I’d be a good principal, too.”
• On Being Unremarkable:
  • Jackie (42:40): “Yeah. I’m very unremarkable.”
• On The Traitors Statement:
  • Claudia (64:20): “If you really cared about bullying and harassment, you wouldn’t have cast a harasser.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:25 – Claudia’s Trader Joe’s/cheese-fall story and injury
• 02:20 – Claudia’s rationale for a lawsuit (and self-aware comedy)
• 04:01 – The “flammable foot” gas pump incident
• 07:24 – “Driving amongst the trains” existential tangent
• 08:19 – TV recap: NFL “scripted” meme and The Traitors
• 11:24 – Weekend & water sign discussion
• 12:54 – Book Club and iPad swap weirdness
• 17:58 – Major Segment: Skyscraper Live on Netflix and spectacle ethics
• 27:37 – Andrea Swift & Donna Kelce at Sundance, wedding/royal family parallels
• 34:05 – Pat McGrath bankruptcy and beauty trend analysis
• 46:56 – Carl (Summer House) & Venita (Southern Charm) dating rumors, Bravo dynamics
• 50:40 – The Traitors TV recap: Alan Cumming’s spoiler hype
• 54:28 – Discussion of Colton’s gameplay and real-life controversies
• 61:08 – Groupthink and critique of Traitor gameplay
• 62:28 – Analysis of Lisa Rinna’s possible next moves
• 64:10 – Show’s “bullying” statement and reality TV ethics
• 66:02 – Colton’s stalking backstory unpacked
• 68:47 – Speculation about future eliminations and tactics
• 70:28 – Outro banter

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Tone & Observations

• The entire episode is marked by quick-fire, unscripted energy, blending caustic humor and mutual roasting with niche Bravo/celebrity/fan-culture references.
• The sisters oscillate seamlessly between self-deprecation (“I’m very unremarkable”—Jackie), pop culture hot takes, and genuine moments of concern about the nature of modern reality TV.

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For New Listeners

This episode is quintessential Toast—equal parts relatable chaos, candid opinion, and smart pop-culture analysis delivered with sibling telepathy. If you want quick recaps of trending TV, a sense of what people are yelling about online, or just want to feel like you’re eavesdropping on sharp, hilarious sisters—this is the episode.

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Transcript

[Claudia]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast.

[Jackie]

It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

[Claudia]

It's your favorite show.

[Jackie]

The best five things you need to know.

[Claudia]

We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.

[Jackie]

They sound amazing.

[Claudia]

Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Mun Dairy. Hope everybody's having a dairy. That's municipal.

[Jackie]

Mundari's is your dairy Mun. It's as mun as it could be for this Mundaris.

[Claudia]

It's so true. Actually, I had sort of like a life altering moment at Trader Joe's this morning. And if you saw me, headline news.

[Jackie]

Claudia was at Trader Joe's this morning. I just picked up.

[Claudia]

Oh, yeah, wait. Yeah, I just needed some cheese, you know?

[Jackie]

What? For grilled. For a grilled cheese.

[Claudia]

Like, for grilled cheeses. Like, we eat them a lot in my home. And like, we were out of cheese, so.

[Jackie]

And so much so that you had to go on your way.

[Claudia]

Well, actually, I had to go to the bank.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

And there was a grocery store nearby.

[Jackie]

And you said, we need cheese. That looks like a nice cheese.

[Claudia]

I know. I almost didn't see, like, the Kraft Singles because it's like Trader Joe's.

[Jackie]

I'm very proud that you didn't buy Kraft Singles.

[Claudia]

They didn't have it. You know, Trader Joe's, like, just has to be different.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

So I got like, their organic. It's definitely made in the same factory. I digress. Okay. So I'm walking into the Trader feeling, you know, feeling fine. And I fell. No so bad. Now I want to say I'm feeling like. I'm feeling, like, fine right now because I can too. Like, it was so not my fault. And it wasn't this mom and pop grocery store. It was Trader Joe's. Like, where are we buying a home? You know, I am so in the right. The footage will tell my story.

[Jackie]

Can you tell us the story?

[Claudia]

I didn't see it. There was like some schmutz on the ground. It looked like somebody had stepped and smushed on like a. A raisin or a date or a fig.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

And I had no idea. Cause I was looking straight. Not at the floor. And I slipped. I literally cracked my ankle.

[Jackie]

I slipped on a fig.

[Claudia]

I slipped on a fig. Fig like, structure. I don't know what it was. And I caught myself at the. Like I was on the floor, but I caught myself. Like, my ass didn't hit the floor, but it hurt so fucking bad. And the only thing that was carrying me through was Knowing that the law was on my side and I can and will be, like, reaching out to an injury attorney.

[Jackie]

You should. I don't know.

[Claudia]

And there was a man who worked there being like, are you okay? And I just, like, wanted him to know, like, I'm fine. Your store, you're going down with issues. I didn't just fall, cuz I'm like a crazy person. I fell because there were schmutz.

[Jackie]

Yeah, in the parking lot or in the store?

[Claudia]

No, in an aisle. Oh, why did I fall in the parking lot?

[Jackie]

Like, I don't know who. Like, I just. When you're telling this story, it's hard to fall.

[Claudia]

Like, gravel is, like, sturdy.

[Jackie]

I'm imagining a parking lot.

[Claudia]

It was on a tile floor, so it was already not like the best, most resistant and. Oh, my God, you guys, my ankle hurts so bad. Like, it's throbbing.

[Jackie]

I'm really sorry, but I hope that you get $200 million so you can finally live a life of happiness.

[Claudia]

No, I think we decided, like, 500 is my number.

[Jackie]

Okay, but like, just be careful. That's how you get into, like, toxic secession vibes.

[Claudia]

It's okay. I just feel like my roots will, like, keep me grounded.

[Jackie]

It's true. Like, she has her family, she's close with her family, she's close with her friends. Like, and the thing is, I'm willing to try.

[Claudia]

Like, I show guinea pig, you know, it's fine. Like, I'm willing to take that risk, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah, you're a risk taker.

[Claudia]

I've always said that. And I've always said that I'm a huge risk taker.

[Jackie]

Looks like you'll have to learn the hard way, Claude.

[Claudia]

Ah. You know, so if you see me like, limping, that's what's happened. And then I realized Ben used my car. I have no gas. I had to go pump my own gas. It was like such a crazy morning. And I pumped my own gas. And as I was like removing the nozzle from the nozzle, like a little bit of gas, like, dripped on my toe. Isn't that weird? And then I felt like I had this like, like flammable foot. Flammable foot. And like, I was like, scared to walk near my car.

[Jackie]

Yeah, as you should be.

[Claudia]

And so, like, I was being really weird. Let me see.

[Jackie]

Which toe?

[Claudia]

The big one, the second one. And so I got into the car and I'm wearing sandals. So I just, like, took my sandal off and like, rubbed my toe. On, like the. On the exhaust? No, on, like the Floor mat. Yeah. And I'm fine. Like I just thought that was so crazy. Wearing open. I never thought about before. I very rarely pump gas. It's like not my problem.

[Jackie]

You need a closed toe shoe.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Like it's kind of crazy to pump gas and open toe shoes. Do they tell you that at driver's ed?

[Jackie]

No. They should teach you how to pump gas at driver's ed.

[Claudia]

It's humiliating.

[Jackie]

Which is why I had to get an electric car.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Oh yeah. You don't have these problems.

[Jackie]

No, I don't.

[Claudia]

And then one more thing happened to me that like I felt really like disgusting about. I was like driving, you know, as one does in a car, kind of mindlessly. And I was crossing a light. So the light turned green. I started driving. It was a two way street. So I guess like coming the other way was a fire truck.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

And he was also turning.

[Jackie]

Oh.

[Claudia]

And I didn't, I guess like let him in. And I guess there was an emergency because his lights like I guess were on. And he honked at me. And I felt like such a low life. Like, you know what I mean? Like, if only he knew.

[Jackie]

You're just an idiot.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And to be clear, like he wasn't even fully at the light yet. Like he was still pulling up. Like I really didn't gain reader. I didn't get in his way. If I delayed his trip, it was by a quarter of a second.

[Jackie]

No, I understand.

[Claudia]

I think he was just like feeling self important.

[Jackie]

I would feel awkward in that situation too. I wouldn't know how to act. And it's like, should I stop? But what if I'm not supposed to stop? And now I've just stopped. He wasn't.

[Claudia]

The lights were on, but there was no whale. Whale. Obviously I like wouldn't know about a whale. But the lights. I was just kind of in broad daylight.

[Jackie]

I don't know. It's giving. Want to make it to our brunch Rez?

[Claudia]

No. It's giving. Like we are just abusing our power.

[Jackie]

Because we have a brunch res.

[Claudia]

Thousand percent. Yeah. So it's just kind of like an embarrassing morning. Like a lot of embarrassing things. Like me with my toe, then my ankle and then the fire truck. It was just kind of crazy.

[Jackie]

I. I'm sorry. Maybe you should come straight here from now on. I never run errands. Tried to do the most when we were FaceTiming this morning because we just can't stop talking. Cause doing an hour and a half long show. It's not Enough for us. And she said she's, like, gotta go running errands before the toast. And I thought that was kind of crazy. Yeah.

[Claudia]

I won't be doing it again, that's for sure.

[Jackie]

I think that's a good idea because we need you here in one piece.

[Claudia]

Right. Break down after I almost, like, broke my ankle, went up in flames. That the fire truck would have had to put out, but they would have been late coming to save me because it was a girl blocking me because there was a girl who didn't know how to drive.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

It's kind of a tale as old as time.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Driving is so crazy, like, every day. Someone made me feel like such a square today. Okay. Because, like, he broke the law. But, like, I should have, too, because I was just being like a sheep following the law. That when there was no one around.

[Claudia]

What was the law? No right on red.

[Jackie]

So it was no right on red because there's a train track before it and then another light that the two lights are the same. But you shouldn't go to the next light because there's a train track. You could get stuck on the tracks at a red light. So we're both sitting at the two red lights, and no cars are coming the other way. And he went, like, around me, over the track.

[Claudia]

Oh, I don't think that's squarish. I think that guy's insane.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

I don't mess around with the train tracks.

[Jackie]

Mess around with the fucking train tracks.

[Claudia]

Yeah. That's just what I. To get stuck on the tracks. Like, that guy's actually an insane daredevil. You're not a square. You're so normal.

[Jackie]

It's crazy that we drive amongst the trains.

[Claudia]

I totally agree. And I realized that they run cross country, so it's, like, borderline impossible to not, like, engage with the train track. But living in Manhattan, like, I don't have these problems. Like, we obviously have other problems, but, like, driving on the tracks, my heart, like, I literally clench and I unclench when we're over the tracks.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like, part of my journey is, like, at some point I have to cross the tracks. Like, finding the right, most optimal way to do it.

[Claudia]

There is none. So just like.

[Jackie]

And, like, around the time that we record, like, a big train. A coup. Well, I guess trains, they just come all day, but it just feels like we're, like, synced up with one.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I'm always trying to outrun it.

[Claudia]

It's kind of like your period. Like, you and the trains are synced up.

[Jackie]

Yeah, Cycle Sisters. I guess so.

[Claudia]

We. I watched a lot of TV over the weekend. We are going to recap. Traders. We're going to recap. There's a big. I don't even know, like, how everybody knew that this thing was happening on Saturday night. Skyscraper Live. I did watch the whole thing live because I'm a loser. And I was left with so, so many thoughts that I cannot wait.

[Jackie]

A lot of TV to discuss today, Traders. Football last night. We have our super bowl team. Never in a million years could someone have predicted we'd have a Patriots, Seahawks, super bowl, actually. Who predicted it?

[Claudia]

You know, every year I'm gonna find this for you. Like, the NFL has the allegations that it was scripted. And if it was scripted this year, it was scripted by somebody who does not know entertainment. Because, like, I don't care about these teams whatsoever. Like, there's like, a little lore with, like, Drake May. But beyond that, like, no, what's the.

[Jackie]

Lore that, like, he's just hot, like, and she's.

[Claudia]

And he is, like, a cute little wife.

[Jackie]

Yeah, cute. Like, but, like, most players in the NFL, like, have wives. Have wives who make content, are part of their communities.

[Claudia]

But back at the beginning of every season, like, the NFL puts, like, a graphic up. Hold on. I have to find it. It's like a little cartoon being, like, race to the Super Bowl. And it's, you know, all the. The quarterbacks walking towards the trophy. NFL. Let me see. I saw it this morning and, like, it kind of was giving. Scripted. Hold on. Okay, what would I look for to find this, like, NFL graphic.

[Jackie]

NFL cartoon. Race to the Super Bowl. Graphic. Super Bowl.

[Claudia]

Oh, God. On Twitter. I found it. I was gonna get, like, penis. Yeah. Oh, wait, this is not it. Hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, all the quarterbacks walking. Okay. And who are the two quarterbacks at the front?

[Jackie]

Drake and Sam Darnold.

[Claudia]

May Darnold. Look at them.

[Jackie]

Wait. Okay, that's really crazy. They're. Yeah. And they're front and center because also, Ward is there, but he's not front center.

[Claudia]

They couldn't have made it.

[Jackie]

Neighbors, Mayfield, Hunter. Those are the five teams in the front. That's really crazy because I was going to say this proves that super bowl.

[Claudia]

Is not scripted because it's boring as hell. Like, where are the celebrities?

[Jackie]

Yeah. Where's the lore? It just is giving random.

[Claudia]

It is giving random justice for the 49ers.

[Jackie]

It was their year, but they didn't even. They weren't even in the championships.

[Claudia]

It was their year. I'll just leave it at that.

[Jackie]

Clearly wasn't their year.

[Claudia]

That's. That's what they want you to think. The NFL scripter.

[Jackie]

So who do you think will win, will take it all?

[Claudia]

It's so hard to guess when you, like, genuinely don't care. But if it's the Seahawks versus the Patriots, like, I'm. I'm a New England girl. Ish. I'm from New York, so I'm going to go Patriots.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I know you, like, are probably feeling conflicted because you are, like, a New England girl as well, but you also love draft day, which takes place, like, with the Seattle Seahawks.

[Jackie]

No, the Bears. The Brow. The Bear. The Browns. The Browns?

[Claudia]

Really?

[Jackie]

Cleveland?

[Claudia]

Yeah. Kevin Costner isn't the coach for the Seahawks.

[Jackie]

No, not even close.

[Claudia]

Wasn't there, like, are the Seahawks involved in draft day?

[Jackie]

Perhaps they're another team with a trade to trade.

[Claudia]

Oh, okay. So never mind. So you have no ties to the Seahawks?

[Jackie]

No, I have no ties to the Seahawks. And even when I think of drafted, like, I don't think of the Browns.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And I do love that Robert Kraft, that little. That little Bob. So. Sure. Go Pat. Go, Pats.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Hopefully it's a good game. We still need to finalize our plans because we don't have any. Oh, wait, we were talking about them this morning.

[Claudia]

We were. Because we talk so much.

[Jackie]

We're always talking.

[Claudia]

Almost like we do it for a living.

[Jackie]

And other than that, we played a lot of maj this weekend.

[Claudia]

We did lots of family time, lots of beach time. Water sign things you guys wouldn't understand. You wouldn't.

[Jackie]

Are you having your fill of the water? Like, do you feel like your full self?

[Claudia]

Do you feel, like, full of water?

[Jackie]

Do you feel like your full self like that you have, like, the water in your life?

[Claudia]

Yeah, I do, actually. Like, we went to the beach both days this weekend. Like, what more could a water sign ask for? Honestly, what more? Nothing. Right?

[Jackie]

No. Then the beach. That's like, primo water.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And I get, like, I. But it's probably difficult for you to understand because you're not a water sign.

[Jackie]

Even though I know.

[Claudia]

Because you're not a water sign. And that's how I know. Like, horoscopes. Sorry to who this offends, like, are fake and made up because Jackie's a water sign. When I tell you, like, nobody hates the water more than Jacqueline.

[Jackie]

I don't hate it. I just don't like love.

[Claudia]

She doesn't feel connected to it like I do. She doesn't mess with it.

[Jackie]

Like, I do. No, I can appreciate, like, the majesty of the ocean.

[Claudia]

Okay, well, when Susie Weiss was on.

[Jackie]

Like, she was talking about the ocean.

[Claudia]

She talked about the ocean in a lot of different ways. And I think about what she said a lot like, that the ocean is the new song space. And, like, there's going to be a lot more sea exploration. A lot, like, of tech money being spent down there, but also that, like, it freaks her out. And, like, she thinks it's spooky, whereas, like, I think it's the most magical. What do you make of the sea?

[Jackie]

Oh, I think it's. It's really majestic, and I think it's. It's very humbling to stand in front of the ocean.

[Claudia]

Wait, that's really beautiful. Go on.

[Jackie]

Like, it's just. No matter what's going on, like, the. The tides keep tiding.

[Claudia]

It's so true.

[Jackie]

The ocean. You're so, like, big, and, like, the ocean doesn't care.

[Claudia]

It's so true.

[Jackie]

It'll chew you up and spit you out.

[Claudia]

So, Moana.

[Jackie]

Yeah. We just read a book. I don't want you to read this book because I think, like, overall, you wouldn't like it, but there are. And we just recorded Redheads, which is why it's top of mind. But it's very much like oceanic, dystopian thriller sort of thing. And, like, a lot, like, these are big themes in the book. The ocean.

[Claudia]

Oh, it's called the ocean.

[Jackie]

Wild, dark shores.

[Claudia]

So oceanic, you know? Yeah, but.

[Jackie]

But I don't know that you should read it. Anyways, Redheads is coming out first Thursday of February, and it's one of my favorite episodes, so it's switching up the format. Yeah.

[Claudia]

You didn't update everyone that you like. Kind of were, like, underselling, saying it was gonna be the worst podcast ever. We changed everything. And then I never spoke to you after you said it was, like.

[Jackie]

I never said it was gonna be the worst podcast ever, but I was just, like, saying, like, Redheads is just. It's kind of like in a transitional phase. We were at sort of a breaking point where it's, like, very hard to, like, get it done every month. And one thing that I offloaded for myself is hosting the entire episode now. Whoever chooses the book is gonna be, like, hosting the discussion. So this was our first time doing that Rebecca host book. The episode was so amazing, so fresh. We all came away just being like that. Like, there's new life breathed into their.

[Claudia]

I love that. I love that.

[Jackie]

Necessity is the Mother of invention.

[Claudia]

That's beautiful.

[Jackie]

So I'm really excited for the episode to come out. Plus this book is like everywhere. Reese's Book Club, everyone.

[Claudia]

Oh, it's just good to be like in the mix with the other with the celebrity book clubs.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Especially like if we're not all reading that much. Like we need to read the buzzy ones. So stay tuned for that.

[Claudia]

It's interesting that we have the same iPad case, but they look different. Like what happens? Yours is like such a washed up pink.

[Jackie]

It's. Yeah.

[Claudia]

And also this is your iPad case because yours has a lipstick stain on it. Why do I have it?

[Jackie]

I don't know. But this is my iPad. My charge is not charging on my iPad. Cause it got used to your iPad instead of mine. Like my, like things are on.

[Claudia]

No, your passcode.

[Jackie]

My pass. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Interesting.

[Jackie]

Very interesting.

[Claudia]

Spookiness is a plenty here at the toast this morning.

[Jackie]

It is and so are pop culture TV recap.

[Claudia]

Yes. Let's dive in.

[Jackie]

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[Jackie]

Our first story was somehow the big Entertainment news of the weekend. Skyscraper live.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Netflix live streamed a man climbing to the top of the Taipei 101 skyscraper, which is this 1,667foot tall skyscraper in Taipei, Taiwan.

[Claudia]

So he free climbed it.

[Jackie]

He no.

[Claudia]

No harness, no rope, no net. Allegedly now.

[Jackie]

Oh, I have a very hard skyscraper truth.

[Claudia]

I am a skyscraper truther. I have a very hard time believing, like, yes, this guy is the best at what he does. So, like, if there was anyone who was going to do it, he's done things like this before. I have a very hard time believing Netflix was going to let a man die on television.

[Jackie]

Like, so I was just reading about this. They said it was on a 10 second delay, so that if he fell that they would just cut away and you wouldn't.

[Claudia]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Okay. So I keep learning, like different things about it. And also, everyone on the planet was watching this beginning.

[Jackie]

I didn't watch it because I had no idea it was happening because how would I know this was happening?

[Claudia]

I.

[Jackie]

How did anyone know this was happening?

[Claudia]

Like, Cynthia Erivo. I did not know this was happening. And my chat with my high school friends was like, is anybody watching this thing on Netflix? And another Margot was like, yeah, I am. So two of the girls that were like, it's so crazy, and they were hyping it up. I was like, okay, well I have to watch it. And then I was. It was a long thing. Like, I think it took him like 90 minutes to watch it. And there was like a whole broadcast, like packages. So as I was watching, I kept seeing people on Instagram. So I really felt like I was a part of something.

[Jackie]

You were a part of it.

[Claudia]

I was so, like, I was having a lot of feelings about it. Like, I hate this guy. I just want to say, like, he has a wife and kids and apparently he had a documentary.

[Jackie]

Yes. Called Free Solo. Yeah.

[Claudia]

That like, people had big reactions to as well. But he didn't have a wife and kids at the time, so. Or he might have just had a wife. No, I don't think so. And he was like, this guy's crazy, but he's free, you know, so like, whatever, now he's doing it. And they kept talking about the fact that he had kids and like, why would someone do this? And they had these really annoying correspondents. One of the correspondents was like a free climber herself who, like, has like, holds a lot of titles in the women's free climbing. And I just kept thinking, like, how stupid this sport was. And they kept talking about the sport. Like it was soccer. I mean it's not. And there's quite literally no reason to do that. And I was just getting mad. And when he got to the top, he was just so crazy, Jackie. Like he. I believe this was a very easy climb for him. So he was like doing little tricks and I wanted to kill him. Like at one point he did like had his legs wrapped around a pole and took his hands off. Like, look ma, no hands. Every time he got to like, it's.

[Jackie]

Just, it's this, Jackie.

[Claudia]

It was very like irritating to watch. The structure is like tiered so it's like bigger and then there's like a little platform and it gets smaller. So every time he got to a platform he would like look over fearlessly. Like because there was people. I guess this was a huge thing in Taipei. Like everybody knew about it.

[Jackie]

Yeah, people were inside the building and.

[Claudia]

He'S taking pictures with people. He is a lunatic. Like an absolute lunatic. And I just like, did not. Like, like, I don't want to. We should not be encouraging this type of behavior. It's so reckless. It's so stupid. I'm sorry. Like, I think the sport is dumb. If you're a part of the free climbing, like community, you're going to want to turn this off because I think it's incredibly stupid. It's incredibly reckless. Like for what, I wonder. One of the female correspondents was getting choked up when he made it. I'm like, girl, you need a life. Like, I just, I hated the whole thing. I hated the fact that like they might have been live streaming a man's death. Like, like, seriously, why? Like with all the violence and video games and tv, like now we're live streaming death. That's why I just kind of refuse to believe was real. And it was all.

[Jackie]

You don't think it was real?

[Claudia]

I don't know. I have no proof but like, I don't believe that. And also, you know, he only got paid $500,000. Like that's not a lot for that.

[Jackie]

It's not 200 million the correct.

[Claudia]

But you know, like if Netflix, like Netflix was doing this like, and so if he wasn't going to do it like some other crazy person. So he was like, yeah, and he's a household name out Alex Honnold. I never heard of him.

[Jackie]

And like, at least let it be someone who's experienced who like can get it done. He has. He's never climbed a building before. He only has climbed rocks, rocks, mountains, etc. I wonder if Climbing a building is like nothing compared to climbing a mountain. Maybe also like the building is built the same at every.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

You know, you said it was like repetitive.

[Claudia]

Yeah, it is.

[Jackie]

And the mountain, the majesty of God is just unpredictable every turn.

[Claudia]

Yes. They had a lot of like pre made packages about his home life. His wife is like also crazy. Like I just think she's crazy.

[Jackie]

She didn't think like any of this was weird.

[Claudia]

And then we saw like their reunion like on the top of this platform when she. There was an elevator. So she took the elevator and he met her like at the 101st floor or whatever. And they were like taking pictures and stuff. And I was just like, these are two fucking crazy people. I just like, I didn't think it was cute. I didn't think they were a good match.

[Jackie]

Like they're really sweaty.

[Claudia]

It was so crazy.

[Jackie]

And they all get off of it. They did. They helicopter. You know how like at the Empire.

[Claudia]

State Building, there's a spy an antenna.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

He went to the very top. And it's so funny because you see.

[Jackie]

It top of the antenna.

[Claudia]

You think the antenna is like a cell phone antenna? No, it's huge.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

Like 10 people could stand on it. So he went to the top. And Jackie's at the top of the antenna, like looking over, like leaning over. He's being insane. It's not even flat, it's round. He's a crazy person.

[Jackie]

He.

[Claudia]

Then there was a harness and a rope waiting for him up there. He belayed himself, he unbalaid himself down to like the hundred and twentieth floor where there was cameras, one of the correspondents and his wife. And they were the team pictures. They were all harnessed. He did not harness himself. And I just kept thinking about like the camera crew. There was a guy on a belay following him the whole time. So like literally all the way up until he got to the antenna. I believe they just had like a camera at the building next door just like zoomed in on him.

[Jackie]

A fellow crazy person.

[Claudia]

Just crazy people doing crazy things. Obviously. I watched it like I got got because you know, it was like this shock value entertainment. And I was shocked and I watched it. But we need to stop. We need to not be doing stuff like that. Like it was insane.

[Jackie]

I do fear this will encourage more because it was a great success. He did great. Everyone watched it. Everyone's talking about he's a star now. So I think this will inspire like a new generation of crazy people and like a new genre of entertainment like free climbing. Lie yeah.

[Claudia]

Remember? I remember, like, the only recent example, and it's not even that recent that I can think of. And I think it was Netflix or Red Bull. Always sponsors. He's like, crazy, that guy who, like, free jumps from the moon, like, you know what I mean?

[Jackie]

He. He. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Takes something all the way up to like, not the moon, but, like outer space. Ish. Like he can see Earth.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And he just jumps. He lost consciousness. But then like, when he's like a couple hundred feet above, he, like, takes a parachute.

[Jackie]

Yeah. There's content like this all the time. They just put it on Netflix. But, like, yeah, Red Bull does things like this all the time.

[Claudia]

I've always thought it was crazy and strange and I. I just have to believe that there is some sort of contingency plan, like. And I. I don't see other people theorizing.

[Jackie]

I feel like maybe if you know a lot about climbing, that this was so easy and if you're not afraid of heights and you're just like climbing some metal, like, and you take out being so high up. But if it's like a ladder almost, so you know, it's. It, like it's a random building.

[Claudia]

Yeah. This building, like, was his dream, though. Kind of how like, Sully wanted to land on the Hudson.

[Jackie]

Like, he's always been eyeing Taipei.

[Claudia]

Yeah. This is like his building. Like, he's like, in love with the building, you know?

[Jackie]

That's really funny.

[Claudia]

At least that's what they said. Also, one of the commentators did say that, like, I KE thinking about, like, he is such an experienced climber. Like, to him, this is like, akin to walking.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

It's second nature. I don't care. It's still, like, you're not going to convince me. You commentators who were insane, by the way, like, three of the worst people on the planet, you are not going to convince me that this is not an absolutely bonkers, crazy thing to do. You're just not for a father of two.

[Jackie]

I know. I think he knew that he could do it like, that this was like a climbable skyscraper.

[Claudia]

And the people in the streets, like, were being so, like. Like it was literally so dramatic. And he knew he was playing. He was literally performing for people. Yes. I don't believe that. This was hard at one point for him. For him, at one point, like I said, each tier had, like, a little platform. So we got like a break, like a couple of seconds in between till I catch his breath and his shoes. Because it's like a dirty building. It's, you know, Clean the outside of the building. His shoes were covered in grease, so he was like, I kind of got to wipe off the grease. And he used his hands. So I'm like, well, your hands are greasy now. And he didn't, like, wipe off his.

[Jackie]

Hands or anything, but did he chalk them again?

[Claudia]

He had a big thing of chalk on his belt. So, like, he kept reaching behind.

[Jackie]

So.

[Claudia]

Yeah. It's just crazy.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And everyone was watching it except Kim. I makes you think she has, like, a Netflix deal coming up. Because she was at Netflix. Like, this is crazy.

[Jackie]

She's definitely doing a big movie with Netflix, right? That was on the show. Like, Kim Kardashian. She has, like, a big movie coming on the show. They, like, sold a big movie to Netflix. I don't know what's happened with it, but it's supposed to be like the next Bridesmaids.

[Claudia]

Oh, okay. That'll be fun.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

It was insane. Like, I had a good time, of course.

[Jackie]

I just don't know, like, how anyone knew about it. The. How did the first person know about it?

[Claudia]

Well, so when I opened Netflix, it was right on the homepage because it was being live streamed. And I'm happy for Netflix because I think a lot of people watched it. And as far as I know, I think there were a couple of issues in the very beginning, but as far as I know, I had a seamless streaming experience.

[Jackie]

Had to be delayed 30 minutes because it rained and the building was wet.

[Claudia]

Oh, sorry. There was also, like, they were on earthquake watch. They had to delay. They delayed this a couple of times.

[Jackie]

Like days.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Oh, wow.

[Claudia]

So maybe that's why you didn't hear about it. Like, because it was, like, maybe not going to happen.

[Jackie]

And I wound up watching Traders Saturday night. By the time I saw everyone's stories, I was in bed.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Yeah. So Traders. It wasn't as good as Traders. Traders is the best show ever. I can't believe I like. It's so me. Like, I've been missing out on it. It's the best show ever created. And I can imagine watching a season where everyone cast isn't, like, stupid. It's probably even more fun.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

But I'm having the best, like, the.

[Jackie]

Time of my life when this is over, we should go back and watch last season.

[Claudia]

Yeah, that's, like, a good thing to do the next time I, like, give birth.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Or we could just do it sooner than that.

[Claudia]

No, I think I'll wait till I give birth.

[Jackie]

Our next story, Future in laws, Andrea Swift and Donna Kelce. Bonded at the Sundance Film Festival.

[Claudia]

It's a Spider man meme. Because they're the same person.

[Jackie]

Right? But it was crazy that they were, like, so chummy. I thought that was a crazy picture.

[Claudia]

Especially, you know, the rumors were swirling that Taylor and Travis are, like, on the rocks.

[Jackie]

Oh.

[Claudia]

So, like, this kind of disproves that.

[Jackie]

The mother in laws came out to.

[Claudia]

Like, because they said that they were on the rocks due to wedding planning and stuff. And the people that fight most during the wedding planning are mothers in laws. So these two are looking chummy.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Travis and Taylor's moms attended the Sundance Film Festival in Park City on Sunday. During the outing, they were bundled up arm in arm. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Like, seriously.

[Jackie]

Gal pals posing for pops.

[Claudia]

When Taylor and Travis were first spotted together, like, one of the reasons I knew that they might be forever is because their mothers are the same person and they love their moms and their moms are, like, public figures. It's seriously the Spider Man. I mean, I can't tell them apart. Except Donna has glasses. And I actually know Donna, like, a lot better now that she's been on Traders and, like, debased herself.

[Jackie]

Is she who you thought she was?

[Claudia]

No, not at all. She's, like, low key shy. But was she just being shy?

[Jackie]

Because that was her. Spoiler alert. Yeah, you got yourself a traitor.

[Claudia]

Maybe, maybe. Maybe we don't know Donna at all because she was faking it the whole time.

[Jackie]

But in her confession, actually, she didn't get confessionals because we didn't know the Secret Trader was. In hindsight, like, the Secret Trader bit was so obvious for Donna.

[Claudia]

Well, clearly everybody got her.

[Jackie]

I didn't even know, like, they did Secret Trader so that Donna could, like, be on the show in an interesting way, but not actually be on the show. Like.

[Claudia]

Correct. You know, and, like, I guess. I don't know, Like, I. I seriously, I. I don't understand why who, what, when, where, why, how when it can come comes to the Secret Trader.

[Jackie]

So, like, they never had one before.

[Claudia]

But, like, apparently they do it on the UK spin off.

[Jackie]

Oh.

[Claudia]

Which I've heard is amazing. It's literally like the new Love Island.

[Jackie]

And I also feel like we'll get to Traders recap. I feel like none of the traders or the faithfuls are, like, not that they should, because she was a Secret Trader putting together, like, who Donna was, like, allied with.

[Claudia]

Yes, they were, but they don't realize that she was a secret. That's why they every time they keep going back to the Donna vote Right.

[Jackie]

Got it. Okay.

[Claudia]

Which is fair.

[Jackie]

Yeah. That's what they should be doing. Are you ready for our next story? So, yeah, the two of them were.

[Claudia]

Spotted together, and, like, Sundance actually was, like, making waves. Oh. Maybe it's because I'm just, like, like, on Brooks Nader's close friend's story. And, like, she was there.

[Jackie]

She was making.

[Claudia]

There's a lot of, like, fabulous things happening at Sundance. Whatever. I think of Sundance, I think of Entourage, like, everything I know about the Sundance Film Festival, I know because they go there in Entourage, like, two or three times. It just seems like a fabulous event. And then, of course, like, Lisa Barlow is probably so busy.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I wonder what she's up to for Sundance.

[Claudia]

For Vita.

[Jackie]

I'm not caught up.

[Claudia]

No, me neither.

[Jackie]

But what were they doing at the Sundance Film Festival?

[Claudia]

Travis have a movie or something?

[Jackie]

I mean, is Travis there? Is Taylor there? This picture is just, like, there without context.

[Claudia]

Oh, yeah. Like, what sort of events were they attending? What's the meaning behind the trip?

[Jackie]

Right. There's really no information.

[Claudia]

Was it just, like, a ski weekend that happened to.

[Jackie]

But they're, like, in the middle. Like, there was a paparazzi.

[Claudia]

They're posing for a picture. They're not even, like, being caught together.

[Jackie]

They are turned and it's background photo. So it's paparazzi.

[Claudia]

They were, like, at an event.

[Jackie]

Puzzling.

[Claudia]

Extremely.

[Jackie]

But also, Larvis like to spend time in Utah.

[Claudia]

Yes, they do. There are a couple of key places that they like to attend.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So maybe they're all there calling.

[Claudia]

Right. Maybe they're having a wedding on the vendors.

[Jackie]

Maybe they're having a wedding summit. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Maybe they wanted to cancel on the vendors face to face.

[Jackie]

Just kidding. I don't think they're on the rocks.

[Claudia]

Me neither.

[Jackie]

Are you ready?

[Claudia]

But I do think, like, their relationship has reached new challenges, like any new relationship does. That's okay. Yeah.

[Jackie]

But what could their wedding issue be?

[Claudia]

Well, you know, it's not financial.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

Which means, like, the guest list can't be infinite.

[Jackie]

Like, the things that normal, maybe. Guest list. Yeah.

[Claudia]

No, but usually the guest list issues.

[Jackie]

Are because of money or venue. And if she wants to get married at build another wing, like, they'll build.

[Claudia]

You know what I mean? Like, the issues that normal people. It's not guest list related. It's not financial. Like, all wedding issues, whether it's the guest list or the band, are because of the money.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

They do not have that issue.

[Jackie]

But, like, the Belt Speckhams had so many issues, and they weren't Money.

[Claudia]

Right. But I think the Peltz. That's a great question. The Peltz Beckham issues were because of either like, you know, toxic mother in laws, which I don't believe we have here. Like these two ladies. It ain't them.

[Jackie]

They're dispelling all toxic mother in law.

[Claudia]

And like really young immature bride and groom from Brooklyn and Nicola, which I don't believe. These people are in their 30s. Like when you get married later in life like you do.

[Jackie]

Also Brooklyn and Nicola are spending their parents money. So they have to get approved. It has to be what the parents want. True. Where Taylor and Travis are spending their own money.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I've ended up on like Brit talk. Like sometimes my algorithm thinks that I'm like, I get like sometimes my algorithm thinks I'm Israeli and I get like content in Hebrew and I don't know what these people are saying and then like I end up in rabbit holes. And I've clearly like been on Team Victoria talk. So much so that they think I'm Britain British. Excuse me. And like so much of her music, her books are going viral again. She's like trending in the like, they're like, we don't mess with our national treasures. They ride. So I don't know what the. I feel like America is very like toxic mother in law. Whereas in the UK they're like spoiled brat kids.

[Jackie]

Like the US is Harry and Megan. Yeah.

[Claudia]

And Megan, the US is very like Brooklyn and Nicholas side.

[Jackie]

Set your boundaries.

[Claudia]

Get therapy, talk. Whereas the Brits are very much like they back the firm.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

The institution.

[Jackie]

I find myself in the same position.

[Claudia]

As Harry and Meghan and a lot of. There are a lot of parallels. Yeah. And I, I forgot that we reported that they had dinner. I don't know if that was like something we thought would be funny if it happened or if it actually happened. But they did.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

They had dinner.

[Jackie]

They did have dinner.

[Claudia]

Today's also the first day where we're styling our hair by ourselves. Like I had my.

[Jackie]

I washed my hair last night.

[Claudia]

Right, Me too. And I started fresh with our new hundred thousand dollar blowouts. Wait, I was somewhere.

[Jackie]

Tell us what happened.

[Claudia]

Someone was just like, I love your hair, period. They didn't know about the hundred thousand dollar haircut. Like I forget or it might have been. I think it was at the bank. The teller was like, I love your hair. And I was like, oh my God.

[Jackie]

Did you say like Chris Appleton had it?

[Claudia]

I literally pointed. I said 100,000 this hair.

[Jackie]

Hundred thousand.

[Claudia]

Is that Crazy. That's like. Everybody knows you could see it. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Thanks. Are you ready for our next story of beauty number three?

[Claudia]

Oh, yeah.

[Jackie]

Pat McGrath files for bank chapter 11 bankruptcy auction canceled.

[Claudia]

This is really crazy. There have been whispers. I saw it on Tick Tock. Like, I'm also like, sometimes I land on beauty talk and they think I'm like, you know, a beautiful woman, which they're right about that. She has been very close to filing for a while, but how shocking because she has so many viral products. But I guess, like, there was a. There was a Pat McGrath era, and I feel like it's a little bit over.

[Jackie]

I don't feel like there was like a trend. Like, it's been just. That's a quality product and people like it. Not like a flash in the pan.

[Claudia]

Well, I feel like it's very opposite of the current we got. It's very, like, Kylie. Like, it's lots of colors and it's like high end Kylie. It's. She's known for her shadows, which are like crazy colors, big sparkle. And that's, like, not what beauty people are buying right now. It's a very clean girl, which is why, like, Charlotte Tilbury is thriving. She doesn't do anything beyond the color beige. Like, it's very clean girl. So maybe that's why, or I don't know if the brand was, like, run poorly. But it's shocking because this is such a high end quality, celebrity loved makeup brand. I mean, Taylor Swift's like, iconic red that she wears Everywhere is Pat McGrath.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So Pat McGrath.

[Claudia]

I hope she buys some stock.

[Jackie]

Well, yeah, I mean, just because someone's Filing for chapter 11, like, doesn't mean it's over. But they put out a statement saying, during this process, the company will continue operations in the ordinary course of business while working to restructure its balance sheet and to forge a path to thrive. You know what?

[Claudia]

I feel like the makeup industry is, like, so oversaturated that, like, I feel like we've kind of been waiting for, like, the domino effect for, like, everybody launched a brand. Some people thrived, some people sort of like, fell into oblivion. Like REM Beauty. I'm waiting for them to announce, like.

[Jackie]

Right, that wouldn't be a surprise to me. And I agree, like, not everyone's gonna make it. And the cream rises. And to me, like, Pat McGrath, this cream.

[Claudia]

I don't know. I don't know anybody. I know you use one lipstick.

[Jackie]

It's in my purse.

[Claudia]

I don't know anyone who. I don't use any Pat McGrath. And I really don't know anyone who has in a while besides when. And the eyeshadow. It's a really expensive brand too. So, like, makeup these days, like, if you're going to be that pricey. I'm trying to think of, like, what, like Hourglass. Really pricey. But they have like key products that keep people coming back. The concealer being one of them. Like, I don't know what sort of like cornerstone product everybody uses.

[Jackie]

The things that were popular were like more makeup trends.

[Claudia]

Yes.

[Jackie]

At the time. Not like a foundation that you can't live without. Yes, I understand. Well, I feel like first of all, chapter 11, like, doesn't mean it's over. Someone could buy it, someone could restructure it and like, make it valuable once again, like Victoria Beckham.

[Claudia]

She's crushing it. By the way I've been getting.

[Jackie]

Maybe because I saw you liked a video that then was sent to me, like, by the algorithm. What was the video she was talking about her eyeliners.

[Claudia]

She sold every 30 seconds.

[Jackie]

One every 30 seconds. And then when you see that, it's such good marketing. Because when you see that, I'm like, well, then I need one, even though I don't even wear eyeliner.

[Claudia]

So I have never used a Victoria Beckham makeup product. And I feel like her whole brand, and I thought this after the documentary too, is moving from clothes to beauty. She must be at least in the uk, at least, like really successful in beauty. I've kind of felt influenced a couple of times to buy something. I might. Where do they sell it?

[Jackie]

I bought two things not from that video online. I got a.

[Claudia]

That's a fora.

[Jackie]

I don't think so. I got a, like a cream white eyeliner, you know, like green colored eyeliner. And the. Their lip balm. Everyone has a lip balm these days. I think the beauty is paying for the clothes.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Because I don't know if the clothes are like flying off the shelves and it's.

[Jackie]

That's expensive to run, but that keeps everything in the green. I don't think she's interested in running strictly a beauty brand that was like, not the dream, but, like, this allows her and her partner.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

For him to make money and for her to live her dream and put out party clothes, which the world does need. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Yeah. But I have felt compelled, like, if I. If I'm in a store and they sell Victoria Beckham, like, like I might get some beauty.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

I've heard the contour stick is like, it's like, tiny. So it's like, people love it.

[Jackie]

I. I have a contour stick that I love, but it's becoming increasingly harder to find. So it might be like, I just bought two because I'm scared of the day where they.

[Claudia]

Well, that's what Taylor Swift's gonna have to do with her red lipstick. Like, truly goes out of business.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So let's see what happens.

[Claudia]

I wanted to tell you one thing. So on Friday, after Friday's episode, Jackie and I recorded a Patreon episode. Kind of like a quarterly. No, no, like an annual installment we do called Toast Radio. And the whole theme was, like, commuter edition. It's a radio show that we record on Patreon. So if you ever want to, like, listen to music, but I' also listen to the toast, you can listen to Toast Radio.

[Jackie]

Brilliant.

[Claudia]

We talk about our favorite songs. We do, like, celebrity, like, chitchat. Haha. And one of the songs Jackie selected that she's, like, been listening to during her commute is Band Aids by Katy Perry. She's giving Katy Perry a second chance. So I listened to it on my commute this morning, and it's actually very good.

[Jackie]

I'm so glad that you agree. You influenced me. And I'm glad we're taking it to the main show because I know I said this on Toast Radio. Everyone's giving up on Katy Perry's new music, but it's a shame because Band Aids is a wonderful song and it's, like, about her divorce from Orlando Bloom. So it's, like, topical and it's beatsy, and I just feel like it's like no one's paying attention.

[Claudia]

And then as I was listening to it, I had, like, kind of a radical thought about Katy Perry. I'm gonna make an analogy, if that's okay. I feel like. I feel like Katy Perry. No, sorry. Justin Trudeau is Katy Perry's Travis. Kelsey, like, after this big, long relationship, this, like, celebrity couple that you might think is, like, a rebound, I actually think her and Justin Trudeau, if Kevin Brogan already, like, our end game. And, like, you don't think it's ever gonna happen after this, like, long breakup. It's giving rebound. But Travis was technically a rebound. Now they're getting married.

[Jackie]

Oh. But I don't see Katie and Orlando as. I saw, like, Joe. Why?

[Claudia]

They have a kid together. They were together.

[Jackie]

No, I. I don't. I, like, I don't consider Joe and Taylor that much. Like, oh, wow. I feel like they're less than. Oh.

[Claudia]

They were basically married, like, yeah.

[Jackie]

Like, I feel like Katie was, like, happy with Orlando. They had a kid. They had a beautiful family. Like daisies, everything.

[Claudia]

I think Taylor was happy with Joe. And, like, until wasn't.

[Jackie]

No, but the what was being put forth was, like, not happiness.

[Claudia]

Well, yeah, they were always, like, hiding and, like, like living in sin almost, right?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

But I do believe that they were happy. Even though, like, you listen to her music now, it's like, girl, are you okay?

[Jackie]

Like, if anything, I feel like Travis's, Taylor's, Orlando.

[Claudia]

So you think Katie and Orlando are otp? Like, do you think they'll ever find their way back to one another?

[Jackie]

I don't know the song. Like, it didn't sound like it was that. Like, yeah.

[Claudia]

Like, the worst thing he did was not ask her how her day was. Like, girl, okay, there. There are women out here accepting less. So, like, go back.

[Jackie]

Like, it didn't feel irreparable or actually him being with that girl who dressed as her for Halloween.

[Claudia]

Oh, that he is, like, now.

[Jackie]

Never speak to me again.

[Claudia]

Unfortunately. Yeah, I forgot about it. I forgot about that unfortunate situation.

[Jackie]

But, yeah, I, I'll hand you back your analogy. I don't feel like it's a little half piece.

[Claudia]

She's rebutting my analogy. All right, well, you'll be.

[Jackie]

Keep working.

[Claudia]

You'll be eating your words when Katy Perry's walking down that Canadian aisle.

[Jackie]

Okay, sure. Yeah, I, I, I would like to see that.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I'm not rooting against your analogy, by the way. Really?

[Claudia]

It feels like you really are.

[Jackie]

No, I just, like, the work is incomplete so far.

[Claudia]

You're such a teacher sometimes.

[Jackie]

Like, I.

[Claudia]

Actually, Jackie always does say that. Like, if she weren't doing what she was doing, like, she might have become a teacher. And you would be an amazing one because you're a. Okay.

[Jackie]

Like, I think I would be an amazing.

[Claudia]

She's always, like, telling me my ideas are half baked and that I didn't do my homework and that, like, she's sending me to the principal's office, which.

[Jackie]

Is just my office. I think I'd be a good principal, too.

[Claudia]

There are two different types of teachers. I think we all agree, like, teachers. Everyone has a teacher.

[Jackie]

Like Ms. Honey.

[Claudia]

Yes, everybody has a Ms. Honey and a Ms. Trunchable. Like, yeah, you are such a trunchable.

[Jackie]

Like, I think I'm a perfect blend of both.

[Claudia]

No, no. Like, I know who's your Ms. Honey. I have. I think I have two.

[Jackie]

Ms.

[Claudia]

Shine. Mine was my Ms. Honey and Ms. Bracho. Like, she was such a real one.

[Jackie]

That's really sweet.

[Claudia]

I'm obviously not going to say my Miss Trunchable, because everybody listens to this podcast every.

[Jackie]

All of our former teachers.

[Claudia]

Every time I talk about a teacher, like, it ends up DMS, like, please don't.

[Jackie]

So you cannot say you're Ms. Charal.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Even though I'm really trying to think, like, a teacher who, like, scarred you, like, said something so mean or, like, was so. Oh, I know. Sorry. I was talking about her the other day.

[Jackie]

Oh, itch. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Who was your Miss Honey?

[Jackie]

No one comes to mind.

[Claudia]

Oh. Maybe that's why you are a trunchable.

[Jackie]

But I don't have a trunchable either.

[Claudia]

Maybe every trunchable never had a honey, and that's how they ended up a honey. But I, Matilda, is like an eternal.

[Jackie]

I don't have, like, I, like, imprinted teachers on me, Good or bad. Good or bad. I guess that's good. Yeah. Like, they were just, like, you were just, like, doing.

[Claudia]

They were. You were doing there.

[Jackie]

Like, I wasn't, like, a student that, like, was stood out. For better or for worse.

[Claudia]

Oh, I definitely was.

[Jackie]

You know what I mean? For both.

[Claudia]

Like, for better and for worse.

[Jackie]

I'm trying to think. Yeah. No, okay.

[Claudia]

Mr. Levine, was your. Was your Ms. Honey?

[Jackie]

Yeah. I'm very unremarkable.

[Claudia]

Jackie the Toen. Do not. Don't say that. That's so not true. I've never seen you make that face before. I can't breathe. I've never seen that face before. I'm. Seriously.

[Jackie]

She's unremarkable. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Okay, then. Sorry I asked. So sorry.

[Jackie]

I hope you feel good. I do.

[Claudia]

Actually. Never felt better. Really funny stuff. You're not unremarkable. I mean, you couldn't be unremarkable if you tried. Like, when you were, like, the only redhead in your grade, like, please a part of this, like, All Star family, please.

[Jackie]

It's true. It's.

[Claudia]

You couldn't have been unremarkable. Wow. That was really, really funny. Like, thank you for that.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

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[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Our fourth story is some new couple news that needs to be discussed. There's a new couple brewing blossoming in the Bravo universe. Have you seen this? Carl Radke and Vanita from Southern Charm. Look at you are rumored to be dating. Well they've been talking about it. So they went on a date a few weeks ago and I think she shared that it was like an hours long date. Very good stuff. And then she was on watch what happens live saying that she's been going out on a few dates with Carl. They're getting to know each other and then on Instagram it seems as though they both traveled to London like together taking a couple trips. So they're like dating. I don't know if they're boyfriend girlfriend yet but like they are seeing each other.

[Claudia]

It's giving Paige and Craig.

[Jackie]

It is giving you.

[Claudia]

Is this the new Paige and Craig?

[Jackie]

The new Paige and Craig.

[Claudia]

I do feel like summer house like does sort of need like new something and you know with Paige leaving and it was kind of like and now Kyle and Amanda's divorce like will help ratings so anything to help help. Yeah these pre existing because there's quite literally no reason Carl is on this Show. He really has not provided much since his breakup with Lindsay. I think it's probably better for him to not be on the show. I think he would probably have it. Like, he's just, like. He's just sort of elevated beyond it. He's sober. I feel like he's doing really well in his life. I don't know what purpose this. The show serves him, besides financial. And he's now in so deep with his body.

[Jackie]

That's, by the way, a serious purpose, of course.

[Claudia]

So I do think he kind of needs things to keep him in the mix a little bit because he does feel sort of like an outsider now with, like, these younger cast mates coming in, like Wes and Jesse. And so this is great. If she's gonna be on Summer House, she's great on Southern Charm. I think, like, I think this is good for both of them. Like, I'm thinking of this.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah. But in terms of, like, a personality sense, I could see why they would click, but I don't know if, like, it could go the distance. And also, like, then again, it's the same patron Craig situation who's moving.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I think the difference is that, like, I don't know. I feel like Vanita would obviously move. Like, Carl is, like, such a storied. Even though she has more of a few. She has more of a future on Southern Charm than he does on Summer House.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And, like, I don't know. She, like, has her house and her thing. She's, like, very Charleston, I feel like.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And she's, like, settled, sort of. Yeah. I feel like he's a little more transient.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Except soft bar. Like.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

He's got $900,000 due in rent.

[Jackie]

That's true. So, like, these are big conversations. Have. Not to put too much pressure, but it's like, you know.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

It could become an issue down the line. I have. I am not caught up on Southern Charm. I've seen people, the Southern charm community, like, being like, where are the recaps?

[Claudia]

Oh, I'm gonna catch up.

[Jackie]

I'm behind on SC Southern Charm and Real Housewives of Beverly Hills because I've been watching, like, Traders and Tell me Lies, and I. There's only so many hours in a day.

[Claudia]

I feel like the stream. It's like, kind of like a streamy moment.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I just, like, got behind on Southern Charm, but, like, I will. I will find the time to get back to it, because, you know, that's my comfort show.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jackie]

And, like, Zach carried on without me. Like, it's the whole thing.

[Claudia]

Zach's been. Your husband's been watching Southern Traffic?

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like, we usually watch together because it's a show that we both like. And I don't know when he was. He's like, want to watch the new episode? I'm like, new episode? Oh, wow. Behind your back, right?

[Claudia]

Not very supportive.

[Jackie]

Not supportive. So then it's like, oh, well, we can't watch together because we're not, you know, so everything's just a mess.

[Claudia]

And, like, he doesn't want to watch the old episodes again. And, like, you don't want to be.

[Jackie]

I don't want to jump. I gotta get to know Charlie. What's going on with Sally?

[Claudia]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

So I'll try and pick it back up soon. But anyways, I think this is a cute couple and good for content, if nothing else, Right?

[Claudia]

Good for Bravo Con. Like, it'll be fun if it's just for a moment.

[Jackie]

Neither of them are filming right now, so, like, maybe just wait.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Wait a couple months.

[Claudia]

Yeah. So you don't, like, break up before you even get a chance to film and like it.

[Jackie]

See it?

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I feel like they're telling us about it, like, a little early on, which is never a good sign, but fingers crossed.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Our fifth. And they both seem like they want, like, a serious relationship. So if they're. If their intentions are both so true, then I think that's a good place to start.

[Claudia]

That's very true.

[Jackie]

Our fifth and final story leading into TV recap. Trayers, Alan Cumming.

[Claudia]

Oh, please. Is this about their statement?

[Jackie]

Oh, no.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

This is about. He gave an interview to Awards Radar.

[Claudia]

I'm talking about the banquet.

[Jackie]

Yeah, he said a lot of things about the show. Some, like, inside Baseball. That's really interesting. And, like.

[Claudia]

Like that they don't live at the Castle. They live in a Courtyard Marriott.

[Jackie]

Oh, that we already knew. But no, he talked about, like, the round tables, how they play, like, spooky music for five minutes at the round table before Alan comes in. They, like, make the environment very charged. She said, like, for a while, like, no one, like, speaks because we see that on the show. It's like, who's gonna. Who's gonna throw it out there? But then it gets, like, so heated.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

How? It's really, like, a psychological torture experiment.

[Claudia]

The fun thing about Alan coming is obviously him being really famous and, like, being the host. But I do feel like he loves his job. Like, he's so caught up on the drama. I feel like. And I don't know why this is coming as an example to me. But, like, like Ariana Maddox on Love Island, I feel like she has, like, no idea what's going on in the house. She just like, comes, does her twirls and leaves. I feel like Ellen is, like, obsessed. I feel like he's like a fan of everyone. I feel like he loves his job.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I think he does too. Yeah. He was asked what's the greatest moment TV moment in history? And he said, I think it's going to come. In season four of the Traitors. There's something that happens that is just so insane and they. So they go nuts. And there's some behavior that happens because of that. It's just outlandish. So I honestly, it's certainly the best moment of Traders TV history. So we know that the banquet is next week. But.

[Claudia]

And he says that when you hear the word banquet, it run.

[Jackie]

It will probably be. I don't know if it's going to be this episode. He said which episode it is. I think he said seven. I don't know if that.

[Claudia]

I think we're on seven. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Okay, so next episode is three.

[Claudia]

Two, one. They released three episodes. Two episodes, then one.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

That would make this the seventh, right?

[Jackie]

Well, I hope so.

[Claudia]

Me too. The. The trailer looked good, but it always looks good. So him saying this obviously, like, is. I don't know if he's just hyping it up, but it does sound like something really crazy happens when they all sit down at that banquet. It. This most recent episode was so good. I'm obsessed with the concept of this show and I feel like you really can never predict who is going to end up doing well. Because I feel like I remember saying at the beginning, like, Candace Dillard was out, like, such a bad choice for a traitor. She's crushing it. Like, I do understand why nobody has guessed her. And like, what I had said was that Lisa was such a good trader and Candace is not going to be a good one. It's the total opposite. I'm shocked at how not only bad of a traitor Lisa is how bad she is at confrontation and she should be counting her. Her stars like that the Internet, like, Colton thought he was going to come on the show and, like, undo a lot of the poor image issues he had. And it's just having such a bad effect. I don't think he should have done it. It's having the opposite effect. It's just. And he's being so creepy and weird and it's like, well, you've accused of being creepy, and you are creepy. So, like, creepy is going to creep. And so Lisa's sort of of like winning just because of goodwill. Like, everyone hates Colton, but in terms of the show, like, Colton is crushing Lisa. She's so bad when she's being accused. She just like, at least a nobody cares. Like, that's not a rebuttal.

[Jackie]

What she was trying to say is that she's more than a house. No, not even. Like, I'm more than anyone could say that. But it's like, she's not necessarily cast on the show because she was on housewives.

[Claudia]

Right. She actually hasn't been on housewives for.

[Jackie]

A couple of years. Right. Like, she has. Has 36 years of experience in the business. She's an actress. She could have been on the show as an actress. So she doesn't automatically just go into the housewife box.

[Claudia]

Sure.

[Jackie]

I mean, it was like a great. You know, it was a slay for the Internet. But I don't think Colton's buying it.

[Claudia]

I mean, if he was, like, suspicious of her, her reactions have just sort of confirmed for him. And nobody cares that he's playing well now because we hate him. I mean, he was being really creepy this episode even more. Like, you can. He had this, like, just sort of. Sort of manic twinkle in his eye when he was, like, on to Lisa. Like, that of a crazy person. And so you can see how he did stalk and harass someone because he's kind of good at it. Like, yeah, I'm gonna hold Lisa hostage.

[Jackie]

And he, like, has this very zeroed in.

[Claudia]

Insane. Like, I've never seen him so excited. Like, it's creepy. So Lisa's just winning popular opinion because she's up against the online, you mean? Yeah, but. And she's not getting properly criticized for being a horrific traitor. Her time is limited.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it is. I thought Rob is playing an amazing game.

[Claudia]

Okay. So when he turned around and said Lisa, like, he got very lucky that Lisa didn't end up getting home. Getting sent home, because while they are a team, they're also playing for themselves. He did. He has to protect the traders, but he also has. So I understand why he did what he did. And it was a very human moment for. For Ron. And I was just so glad. Like, everyone's pissing me off. You said it it you were like, the eight of them were deciding to go in on Colton and not get.

[Jackie]

Swayed because Colton always swing the whole thing. Johnny said, like, he always comes to the table and he sways Everyone, we have to get rid of him because he does not make.

[Claudia]

He's a swayer.

[Jackie]

He doesn't make good choices and he's leading us poorly. He's the leader, but he's leading us poorly. And we all get wrapped up in Colton. So they had eight people who were going to vote for Colton and literally at the roundtable, two of them got swayed by Colton. The reason why they were going to vote for him to begin with and didn't vote for him. Now, I. I don't necessarily want Colton to go home because I think he's good for the show and he is on to Lisa. The traitors can't send him home now.

[Claudia]

Because it's so obvious.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I feel like they have yet to name someone where, like, when they say it, it's like, aha. Like, you know, but when he said Lisa, like, now everyone, like, looking back at her gameplay so far, like, it's so obvious.

[Claudia]

I don't know. Sunglasses.

[Jackie]

No. But, like, the fact that she's this huge person. And yes, her rebuttal of like, what do you want me to dance on the table? Like, I'm not a housewife all the time. Like, but she does have a huge personality. If anybody has watched her shows, they know that, like, she's a big mouth.

[Claudia]

And that's Candace, too. And Candace is really leaning into that and it's very. It's working for her.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And Candace is like, you know, has a lot of camaraderie with the faithfuls. Like, the fact that Tara and Johnny are like, it's gonna trust her.

[Claudia]

Like, yeah. Well, also, like, the roundtable was so frustrating because when we're looking back, you know, Tiffany is very much Colton's doing and I get guess Porsche is Ron's doing. And Ron's like, but you also got Michael kicked out. And I know it doesn't count because we don't like Michael, but you did. And it was like, thank you for find like, everyone in this group is so easily brainwashed that, like, it actually it really is like a sociological experiment on how people who are even like, really smart and, like, tough otherwise a group think is so real because, like, yeah, like, Michael said something that we didn't like and it's like, well, you did falsely accuse him of being a traitor and like, yeah, you kind of got lucky that he said that. But you still, like, that's still a. A knock in your column.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And Ron's like, but that doesn't count because we don't like Michael. Guess Ron Stand up for yourself.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And he almost turned that table. It was actually when I was watching it, me and bam. Like, it's very tense. Like, I. I had no idea who was going on.

[Jackie]

If Colton were able to turn that table for Lisa, that would have actually been masterful and he would have been.

[Claudia]

Right and he would have been vindicated for everything.

[Jackie]

And he was so close to doing it because when they sat down, it was either Ron or Colton going home. He had the eight votes. They were going to send him home. So the fact that he, like, got that close. He is good at this game. If he didn't have issues, like, in with in his personal life that the audience didn't like, like he would be really goaded so far in how he's playing the game.

[Claudia]

Well, now I kind of worry for Candace because Candace has kind of been resting on Ron.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

She's like, I've said Ron from the beginning. So she hasn't had to make any hard decisions because Ron is still there.

[Jackie]

I agree.

[Claudia]

Now Ron is out. Lisa's name is being thrown around.

[Jackie]

But you don't vote for a housewife, so she can easily go with that.

[Claudia]

That's so true. Which is such a dumb rule.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Because it's like, it's not about what.

[Jackie]

If you really think the housewife is a traitor, you're not gonna vote for them because they're a housewife.

[Claudia]

Michael rapaport went on radio Andy and he said there's so much that hasn't been shown. There's apparently a huge, like, insane, like, housewives level blow up between Caroline stanberry and Dorinda and also Ron and dorinda, both of which they say that Dorinda's getting this, like, protective edit. Michael rappaport said that the fight between Caroline and Dorinda really had nothing to do with traitors and that might be why it didn't make air. But during the roundtable between Dorinda and Ron, it did, like, weirdly get heated when he was like, he's like, I'm my family.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And it was like, that's kind of weird. And he was responding to comments being like there is so much lore there that, like, nobody knows.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

I would love to know what happened. And there is a traitor's reunion. So I do think a lot of these questions will get answered because it seems like a lot of people are fighting about things like that have nothing to do with the traitors.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

So I'm curious.

[Jackie]

Well, it is a lot of personalities in one house and they, like that's what they're used to doing is fighting.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I guess, like, Dorinda and I didn't watch last season, but she was, like, the first person sent home last season, so people were really excited about her potential for being on the show. And, you know, just because the gameplay, like, she got sent home, so it was like, I don't ride for Dorinda, like, at all. I did not like her as a housewife. I think she, like, goes, like, really low and says, like, kind of the most evil you can say to someone, and she's like, oh, I'm Dorinda.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

So I could see her, like, saying really mean things to Ron, who's, like, just kind of, like. Like weak.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

You know, he, like, doesn't defend himself well, and now he's.

[Jackie]

Well, he does at the round table. Well, he did.

[Claudia]

He had a great round table.

[Jackie]

He doesn't have a lot of allies. He doesn't really care to make them. He's just playing the game. And if he were a traitor, he'd be the world's worst traitor because he's not even trying to, like, be with the faithful. So they're just, like, so surface level. I would love to watch the show played by people who are very smart and very good at gameplay. Unfortunately, they eliminated all the gamers.

[Claudia]

That's sort of the. The core issue with Traders is that it's designed to get rid of people who would be playing the game best.

[Jackie]

Well, first they just got rid of people who they know play good games. They got rid of the Raw and the Survivor people just because they know them to be smart. They didn't even do anything yet. Right. So it would be good, like, when they do Traders, regulars, it will be good because people don't have preconceived notions about each other, only keeping, like, the dumb fandoms around.

[Claudia]

That's very true. That's very much like Survivor. Regular Survivor. Because those Survivor people are regular people who won. Survive.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Who are just, like, good at gaming, but they're getting eliminated because of that. They didn't even start to game yet.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I feel like not enough. Like, they're always, like, they target Cult and they target people because they're kind of leaders, like, people.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And I feel like no one has targeted Natalie yet, and she's not a traitor, but I feel like she's the exact type of person that this group would come after because she's always steering people the wrong way.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And also, they need to understand maybe in the past seasons it hasn't been this way. And they're just going off of what people did last season because, again, like, not the brightest bunch, but, like, if someone is putting themselves out there and, like, taking shots, like, and putting a target on their back, it's likely that they're not a traitor because that's so obvious that then they're going to be.

[Claudia]

Going now in this particular group, too. Like, they're just sort of hunting people who speak up.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

Which is such a bad method because, like, okay, so what are we supposed to do, though?

[Jackie]

Yeah, like, really, you have to look at people who aren't speaking up who would otherwise be speaking up. Likely Serena.

[Claudia]

And the Portia thing is so crazy that people think Ron was a traitor because, yes, he did bring it up. But then at the round table, she flubbed her words again, and that's really what turned a lot of people. So it was like, yes, Ron's provided the evidence that did happen. He was just doing what he was supposed to do. But a lot of people said Portia and voted for her because at that exact roundtable, she said we killed. Like, she messed up again.

[Jackie]

But they. But we did kill Ian because they put. Put coffins in his grave. And then the traitor sent him home. Like, it was group effort.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, it wasn't all Ron.

[Jackie]

I agree. And it's like, Portia was way more popular than Ron.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

So how could he have gotten her sent home when she had so much goodwill?

[Claudia]

I just feel like no one was on to Lisa, so she got kind of lazy. And, like, the second there was any sort of heat on her, she just, like, sucks. Like, she's being so kind of. It's like, painful to watch. Like, she's just making that same Lisa right away. Like, and it's just not compelling. Like, and you know what? She should have taken that Colton deal.

[Jackie]

But what can she. What can someone do once the suspicions on them, really? Unless she could have told everyone at.

[Claudia]

The round table, like, you know, Colton is here for himself and he tried to make a deal with me. He thinks I'm a traitor, but I'm not. Except that really just confirms to people that Colton is not a traitor. Yeah. Because I wondered, like, why wouldn't she tell everyone? That makes Colton look so bad, and it makes her look like a team player. Like, look, he's trying to deceive himself, but, like. But then I guess it pretty much confirms that, like, in back door rooms, he's not. Not a traitor.

[Jackie]

But sometimes they need to eliminate people who they know. My faithfuls who are distracting to the game.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

Who keep bringing up names and their sniffer is off. Like, and if we're gonna. If this person is very compelling that we're gonna listen to them all the time and they keep giving us the wrong name, then they are getting in the way of the game.

[Claudia]

The game just can't stand Colton. Oh, and then, like, traders put out this statement on their social media.

[Jackie]

Very Love island usa.

[Claudia]

Very Love island usa. Except Love Island USA was like, kind of like responsible for a lot of the.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Us. So they put out this, like, black and white statement just like, about bullying.

[Jackie]

Who is. Who is like, being bullied.

[Claudia]

I believe Colton because, like, this was the first week that like, sort of like, you know, Demi from his season has been making a lot of tiktoks. Like, if you watch the Bachelor. And I feel like so few people now, like, who are in reality are. We're watching reality back then. So not a lot of people know. I feel like a lot of people at the round tables and stuff do not know that Colton has this, like, sordid past. So this week was like, the first time he, like, was acting really creepy and people are like, well, if you want to know his lore about being creepy. So they posted the statement. We are committed to making our cast feel safe, respected and supported on screen and off. The cast of the traitors are real people. And what happens is the game should never lead to cyberbullying or harassment. There's a difference between discussing a show and targeting individuals. So let's not ruin the passion for this show with unwarranted negativity and personal attacks. We appreciate your support. And I have to assume that means is regarded to Colton, right?

[Jackie]

Yeah. I don't really know who else is getting heat other than Michael Rapaport was. They didn't write that statement when New York magazine said, right, Michael Rappaport ruining traitors. Those things are always so full of shit.

[Claudia]

It's so, so, like performative, transparent. And it's like, well, if you really cared about bullying and harassment, you wouldn't have cast a harasser.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

So I don't know what could.

[Jackie]

I've been seeing a lot that, like, the edit, like the way the show is manipulated in so many ways is crazy. When they're filming the show, they're incredibly manipulated. They like even they do so they film so many things so many times. One to keep the scent off of people. But, like, they are literally in like, this crazy experiment.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Even Playing spooky music before Alan comes out. Like, they're manipulating the cast past. Then they manipulate the edit to make it look like other things. And then, like, we are just, like, piecing together stuff. So I feel like they're most interested in, like, high entertainment value, not, like, protecting people's mental health in a show that's literally like a stamp, a psychological experiment.

[Claudia]

Yeah. You know, I hate when. When shows do this.

[Jackie]

Like, they did the same thing to Love Island. They're with those people so bad. They're keeping people on who are. No, they're, like, unstable.

[Claudia]

They're letting people Instagram drama penetrate. They literally kicked out Sierra for, like, an old Instagram post. They, like. Like, they feed into a lot of that Internet drama, and then they're like, stop bullying. No.

[Jackie]

And, like, they're. They keep people on. They manipulate things to keep people on who are having a hard time in acting crazy because they want the crazy. And then when we're like, that person's crazy, and they're like, don't call them crazy. And it's like, well, you left the crazy person on and you cast them.

[Claudia]

In the first place, and you're making them crazy. Yeah, no, totally. I hate when. When shows do that.

[Jackie]

Just, like, be. Do be the show that you said you are.

[Claudia]

Like, if you really care about the show, like, implement changes to protect, but you don't actually care. So, like, stop yelling at us.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

We're just watching your show reacting to what you put out. Right, Right. In a crazy way.

[Jackie]

Right. And by the way, I didn't believe or harass anyone.

[Claudia]

No. And, like, if we're going to start accusing people of harassing, let's just start with the man who has a restraining order against his ex girlfriend. Like, please.

[Jackie]

It's crazy that she never talks about it.

[Claudia]

She must be traumatized. Like, we. Everybody talks about, like, the car, the tracker. The tracker, which in and of itself is a crazy thing to do to your ex girlfriend. Like, like, you put a tracker on her vehicle. But he was, like, textually assaulting, like, all of her family members. Like, it was, like, this thing, this really traumatic thing her and her family went through. She removed herself from public life after that. And, like, literally is married. Like, no, nobody knows anything. She. Her sister's famous now. Like, she does not mess with him. It must have been the most traumatizing thing. Oh, and all the while he's, like, coming out as gay. It would. It must have been the most confusing, weird thing. So, yeah, she was, like, quite literally never seen Again.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

It must have been worse than we even imagined. Like, like, we.

[Jackie]

And then the fact that she doesn't, like, chime in now, like, you know, with this. Like, anyone else would be, like, finally Instagram.

[Claudia]

Like, no, she wants no part of this. That's how, you know he's, like, really scary and crazy.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So, yeah.

[Claudia]

Please save the.

[Jackie]

The. Who do you think Lisa Rinna will kill with her brooch? I saw a good theory.

[Claudia]

I feel like theory.

[Jackie]

But it's not always. I know you don't care what Dorinda. Because one. Dorinda's, like, sort of the backup that Colton has in being like, Lisa Rinna's not usually like this.

[Claudia]

Yes.

[Jackie]

And I feel like she could easily get Dorinda to touch her brooch. Be like, oh, my God, feel my brooch.

[Claudia]

Yes. But how would they just, like, who could they blame that on being like, who would want to kill Dorinda right now? Besides Rana. She was beefing with Ron, but Ron's gone.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It could just be, like, a traceless killing. Like if she killed Eric.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe.

[Jackie]

Because why would a housewife.

[Claudia]

It's not traceless. Why would a housewife.

[Jackie]

Maybe they look like they're framing Dorinda. Framing Lisa.

[Claudia]

Yeah. It's not a perfect theory, but she really needs to get rid of someone. It can't be Colton.

[Jackie]

It could be Colton because if, say, she was a Faithful and they get rid of Colt. Well, a Faithful wouldn't get rid. A traitor wouldn't get rid of Colton because he's so good at, like, missing the mark. But it would be a great way to then put. To frame Lisa Rinna and then everyone.

[Claudia]

She could say, I'm being framed.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Which is a. And then she. And then at least she, like, gets rid of Colton.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Which is, like, before he successfully takes her down, which he's about.

[Claudia]

Or he gets a shield because he said, I'll get a shield every time. You won't be able to kill me.

[Jackie]

But if they don't kill him now, they're never going to kill him because we'll always lead back to Lisa Rinna.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I feel like not killing him is confirmation that it's Lisa Rinna.

[Claudia]

That is true.

[Jackie]

Like, no one's really thinking two steps ahead.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And it's not even about thinking two steps ahead. It's about, like, just being able to. To successfully argue your point and, like, make them believe that. Of course they wouldn't. They're gonna kill. They kill Colton to. Now you guys will all Target me. Like, you could really, like, manipulate infinity. They're not like, the brightest. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Because if everybody thinks Lisa's a traitor and she's not, the traitors would kill Colton because it makes Lisa looks like. Like the traitor. So she could say that too. Yeah, it's.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

It's just about being a good arguer and a good, like, verbal manipulator of which Lisa is like, not.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And Colton is right. Ron is.

[Claudia]

They gotta get rid of Colton.

[Jackie]

Ron was.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Rob and Candace are doing great. I feel like that. Has a trader ever won?

[Claudia]

I don't know. I feel like it's really hard. I would love to see it.

[Jackie]

Because none of the faithfuls who are still there unless Colton wins. And it would be well earned. Aside from his reasons we don't like him, he would have earned that win. No one, everyone else is just coasting by Mark Ballard Ballas. When he should win.

[Claudia]

I feel like Mark Ballas, like, I feel like he's a big personality and he might be getting, like, cut out because where is he but, like, you know who's giving quite literally nothing. Maura.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

She's been, like, wholly disappointing except that, like, her and Rob have to run away.

[Jackie]

Well, I feel like if they fall in love and then he's a traitor, like, it might make for interesting TV down the line.

[Claudia]

I love that.

[Jackie]

But so far she's not giving much but I'll hold out hope for because she has a big personality. But like Tara and Johnny and Jam. Jam And Stephen Coletti, even though he seems like a stand up guy.

[Claudia]

That was nice. Yeah.

[Jackie]

I don't want to see one of them win. They didn't earn anything.

[Claudia]

Agreed. They're just like being group think followers who were just the last man standing.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And Mark Ballas, I'll put him in that category too.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Even Natalie a little bit. Yes. Natalie.

[Claudia]

That was a crazy outfit she was wearing. And also Christine.

[Jackie]

Kristen. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Like, she. She's smart. I just get the vibe that she's like a smart person and she's just not being smart.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

It's group thing. She's just getting swayed by the group majority rules.

[Jackie]

She's just another number and I don't want to see one of those people win because. Because it's not earned.

[Claudia]

They're not taking risks and they're not like critically thinking.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Okay. Well, that's your traders recap. That was your show. Anything else we need to chitchat about before we go?

[Jackie]

No, I think that's all. And if we do. We could talk about it tomorrow. Such an amazing thing that's so great about the toast.

[Claudia]

Thank you guys so much for listening to the Toast and Landing morning show where we deliver the fastest stories you need to know every Monday the Friday on YouTube. So if you are watching this on YouTube, please help you to subscribe and give us video thumbs up. We're also available as podcast and podcast can be found. So it's about a five tunes stitcher public radio cast box, all the places web visit podcast. My notes of Toastly a five star review about a beautiful setting and oh I can lay down to about talk. We are.

[Jackie]

Love you. Bye.