Another Year in the Garbage Can: Friday, February 13th, 2026

Summary

The Toast – "Another Year in the Garbage Can"

Date: Friday, February 13th, 2026
Hosts: Jackie & Erin
Podcast: The Toast (Dear Media)

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Episode Overview

On this lively Friday episode, Jackie and Erin bring their signature mix of pop culture dissection, millennial nostalgia, candid personal updates, and biting humor. They discuss everything from influencer Michaela Nogueira’s public divorce and Gen Z nostalgia for American Apparel, to a baby brand controversy, and dramatic reality TV recaps (Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, The Traitors). The episode is packed with playful banter, thoughtful hot takes, and the duo’s trademark cheerful honesty.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Updates & Millennial Nostalgia

• Colgate Day & Family Celebrations:
  Jackie shares it’s both her baby's and Colgate Day, noting the “meshing of all beautiful things” (00:36).
  Quote: “It is an emotional day. It's my baby's birthday...and this is the first time his birthday has fallen on a Colgate Day.” - Jackie (00:36)

• Name Changes Post-Marriage:
  Erin laments her inability to adjust to friends changing their names post-marriage, highlighting generational attitudes and identity. Quote: “She's Lauren Bushnell, you know? She's Lauren Bushel.” - Erin (02:04)
  Quote: “Maybe it's like, the feminist in me.” - Erin (02:06)

• Leotards & Postpartum Fashion:
  The duo debates practicality, comfort, and the evolution of bodysuits, offering candid insight into postpartum identity and millennial wardrobe staples.
  Quote: “There's just something crazy about being a postpartum woman wearing a leotard.” - Erin (05:38)
  Quote: “It's a T-shirt bodysuit… they've made great strides in the bodysuit world.” - Jackie (06:54)

• American Apparel Memories:
  A nostalgic dive into the millennial clothing brand’s cultural impact—how its staples symbolized status and sparked sibling fights.
  Quote: “What drugs were they putting in those T-shirts? It was crack for kids.” - Erin (09:27)
  Quote: “If it's not American Apparel, everyone's gonna know.” - Jackie (08:02)

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2. Influencer News – Michaela Nogueira’s Divorce

• Major Story:
  Beauty influencer Michaela Nogueira announced her divorce from Cody Hawkin via TikTok (16:33–20:00), stating the split is amicable and private despite rampant speculation.

  Quote: “I am getting a divorce. Take a minute, take it in. Cody and I love each other so much... but this is very amicable.” - Michaela Nogueira (17:13)

• Public Persona vs. Private Life:
  Erin criticizes the clickbaity nature of Michaela’s video, noting the tension between influencer oversharing and public demand for details. Quote: “While I actually like her message... her delivery is so... almost like she's baiting people.” - Erin (19:12)

• Changing Internet Personas:
  Discussion about Michaela dropping her accent and the pressure to keep up fabricated identities online. Quote: “Everything that you've seen on my page in the last couple of years has been a complete lie.” - Erin (22:00)
  Quote: “Everyone has a role to play on the Internet... Everybody is, you know, a little extra.” - Jackie (22:29)

• Reflection on Authenticity:
  Jackie and Erin joke that their own honesty is "why we're failures... that's why this is a tiny show and we'll never take off." (22:58)

  Memorable Moment:
  Erin and Jackie refuse to theorize further about Michaela’s divorce:
  Quote: “I don't really want to theorize because she literally asked us not to.” - Erin (23:51)

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3. Blake Lively, Mahjong, & Celebrity Court Case

• Blake Lively Court Case:
  The hosts relish details of Blake Lively showing up for court mediation (27:02) armed with a luxury mahjong set, interpreting it as a flex and discussing PR optics and downtime activities during high-profile legal proceedings.

  Quote: “One step closer to Taylor playing mahjong.” - Jackie (27:19)
  Quote: “Are you having your show for fetch your mahjong? This is a serious court about sexual harassment. And it's like, yeah, but this is... a real life thing.” - Erin (29:03)

• Fashion & PR:
  Praise for Blake's “stylish, not flashy” courtroom outfit (30:09) and speculation on mediation tactics and celebrity courtroom optics.

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4. Reality TV Recap & News

a. Dancing with the Stars Spin-Off

• New Competition Show:
  The announcement of “Dancing with the Stars: The Next Pro”—with up-and-coming dancers competing for a pro spot—gets enthusiastic approval (33:59-36:39).

  Quote: “This is a great idea. It takes a lot to be a pro, as we saw...” - Jackie (34:45)

b. Frida Baby Marketing Controversy

• Backlash over Inappropriate Humor:
  The hosts delve into viral outrage over Frida Baby’s sexual innuendo marketing, such as the rectal thermometer ad referencing a “threesome” (39:36, 40:12), and more suggestive slogans.

  Quote: “This is like an industry that's kind of archaic... what they've done for mothers can't be understated... but this is destabilizing for the mama community.” - Erin (38:45)

  Both hosts call for accountability and improved oversight: Quote: “If you find yourself writing a piece of copy that even remotely could be interpreted as, like, sexual—delete. Like, what's wrong with people?” - Erin (41:41)

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5. Olympic Engagement & Sports Controversy

• Olympic Engagement:
  American Olympian Breezy Johnson got engaged at the Olympics finish line, sparking debate about whether proposals overshadow female athletes' achievements—though the hosts clarify Johnson herself wanted this (48:51).

  Quote: “She has said that if she ever got engaged, she wanted it to be when she won.” - Erin (49:25)

• Taylor Swift Olympic Involvement:
  Taylor Swift's engagement with the Olympics, from social media comments to supporting Team USA, highlighted as "just a girl" living life (50:22).

• Figure Skating Judging Scandal:
  Erin's “Weenie of the Week” goes to a French figure skating judge, Jezebel Dubois, accused of scoring bias that cost American skaters the gold.

  Quote: “If the Olympics don't have integrity, nobody does.” - Erin (70:02)

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6. Reality TV Recap – The Traitors & RHOBH

The Traitors

• Game Strategy & Flaws:
  Praise for Rob's traitor gameplay, critique of the show's tendency to reward underwhelming players by virtue of being unthreatening, and suggestions to improve game incentives (53:45–54:32).

  Quote: “It rewards the least interesting, most boring, worst game players because they stick around because they are bad.” - Jackie (54:17)

• Participant Dynamics:
  Frustration over remaining cast, challenge confusion, and the lack of climactic payoff as the season continues.

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

• Season Dynamics:
  Detailed breakdown of dinner party alliances, new cast members, and tension between Dorit, Kyle, Amanda, and Mauricio (61:03+).
  Quote: “Kyle in her confessionals is so nasty... so quippy for no reason.” - Erin (63:42)
  Their empathy aligns with Dorit, expressing skepticism about Kyle and Mauricio’s PR, and praising Rachel Zoe’s guest appearance.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Internet Authenticity:
  “Our greatest strength—it's our Achilles heel, is our weakness, is our honesty and authenticity... That's why this is a tiny show and we'll never take off.” - Erin & Jackie (23:06–23:15)

• On Frida Baby’s Marketing:
  “You literally bought me something Frida yesterday... I wouldn't have bought it if I’d seen this. The thing is, there's a change in the company. I'm sorry. This is disgusting.” - Jackie (42:38)

• On Olympic Figure Skating Scandal:
  “She [judge Jezebel Dubois] gave the Americans such a low score, eight points lower... because she cheated.” - Erin (69:30)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:36 – Jackie’s baby’s birthday and Colgate Day
• 05:38 – Leotards and postpartum bodysuit talk
• 09:27 – American Apparel as “crack for kids”
• 16:33 – Michaela Nogueira’s divorce (TikTok audio)
• 19:12–23:15 – Influencer authenticity and Internet personas
• 27:19 – Blake Lively’s mahjong set in court
• 33:59 – “Dancing with the Stars: Next Pro” announcement
• 39:36–44:00 – Frida Baby inappropriate marketing controversy
• 48:51 – Olympic engagement debate
• 53:45 – Critique of The Traitors’ game mechanics
• 61:03–66:59 – Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap
• 67:00 – Queenie and Weenie Awards (Utah – Queenie; Jezebel Dubois & Frida Baby – Weenie)

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Queenie & Weenie of the Week

• Queenie:
  Both hosts pick Utah’s Olympic gold medalist, with Jackie noting, “She can finally, you know, celebrate that. Move. Get married, Jake. Get married. Have babies. Like, I'm so, so happy for all her hard work that we watched on Paul American.” (67:33)

• Weenie:
  Erin selects French judge Jezebel Dubois for Olympic skating scoring bias (68:03); Jackie picks Frida Baby: “Frida Baby is the weenie of the week.” (70:39)

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Episode Tone

The tone is upbeat, irreverent, and refreshingly honest, with the hosts balancing pop-culture savvy, personal anecdotes, and sharp cultural critique—never shying away from calling out industry missteps or riffing on their own limitations as “honest” podcasters.

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Summary

This episode is a quintessential Toast mix: a blend of friendship banter, timely pop culture news, relatable millennial commentary, and candid opinions. Highlights include deconstructing influencer authenticity, skewering inappropriate branding, dissecting Bravo and reality TV drama, and delighting in Olympic surprises and scandals. If you missed it, you’ll get the fast five stories—and a heavy dose of swirly, self-deprecating wisdom.

Transcript

[Erin]

Good morning, girlies.

[Jackie]

It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[Erin]

It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off.

[Jackie]

Swirly.

[Erin]

It's the Toast.

[Jackie]

They sound amazing.

[Erin]

Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Friday. Hope everybody's having a great day. Kicking off, acknowledging the space, etc. Etc. Hello, Jacqueline. How are you today?

[Jackie]

I'm great. Today It's Friday.

[Erin]

She's getting emotional.

[Jackie]

I'm getting emotional. It is an emotional day. It's my baby's birthday. It's my babe's birthday, so that's emo. And then Dana texted me this morning. It's also Colgate Day, so every Friday the 13th is what we call Colgate Day in the Colgate community. And this is the first time Harry was born on the 13th, but this is the first time his birthday has fallen on a Colgate Day. So it's really just a. A meshing of all beautiful things.

[Erin]

And they say white people have no culture. Colgate Day. That's so, like, you got.

[Jackie]

Colgate is like, don't be rude.

[Erin]

No.

[Jackie]

So jealous that I went to a college with Lore.

[Erin]

Okay, okay, Moving on. Happy Colgate Day to all who celebrate Dana Holzberg specifically. Oh, sorry, I cannot. There are some people, like, it's funny how, like, you remember, like, you're married people, like, who they like, whose names change forever. And. I'm sorry, She's Dana Holzberg forever.

[Jackie]

Oh, she's done a really good job of morphing. She will be Dana holds for because, like, that's how we know her. But she peeps in with the webman for me. Like, she. As much as she could change, in my mind, she has.

[Erin]

Yeah. It's just, like, it's never going to happen for me. I'm such, like, a stubborn person for, like, all my married friends. Like, try. Like, Dana went extreme. Like, the second she got married, she changed her Gmail. Like, she changed everything. Yeah, like, everything. And then some people slowly transition. I just can't.

[Jackie]

The slow transition doesn't work.

[Erin]

No. Like, changing your Instagram handle is a really. It's an expedited way. Like, I will start. But, like, even. No, I just. Sorry. She's Lauren Bushnell, you know, She's Lauren Bushel.

[Jackie]

She's so Lauren Lane.

[Erin]

I'm so. Maybe it's like, the feminist in me.

[Jackie]

Oh, you want to keep women as their independent selves.

[Erin]

I want to keep women down. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Or up.

[Erin]

Oh, my God. I called you Last night, did you just remind me after the show? Like, actually, I called you from Ben's phone, so I.

[Jackie]

What?

[Erin]

Yeah. So you didn't pick up.

[Jackie]

Let me see.

[Erin]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

No, I would never miss a call from Lish and. Oh, a FaceTime from his. From his icloud.

[Erin]

Oh, Ben's having icloud issues, so maybe.

[Jackie]

My phone screened that.

[Erin]

Yes, Ben is very boomer in the sense that, like, every time his phone rings, his computer starts ringing, even if the computer's closed. And now every time he facetimes me, it's the icloud.

[Jackie]

Got it. I think my phone must have screened. I'm not gonna blast his email, [e-mail].

[Erin]

Yeah, no, it's actually been, like, an issue for the whole family.

[Jackie]

I wonder what you had to say to me.

[Erin]

Just remind me after. It's nothing of great import. You guys don't need to be, like, jealous about what I'm telling Jackie. It's just, like, minor, like, administrative tasks, like, things for the family.

[Jackie]

O, great.

[Erin]

Yeah. We such a busy show today. First of all, did you watch Triass?

[Jackie]

Of course I did.

[Erin]

And Real Housewives of Beverly Hills?

[Jackie]

Of course I did.

[Erin]

And then we also have Queenie and Weenie, and I feel. I just feel excited about the potential for today's episode, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah, there's a lot to discuss, and, like, we have five stories. The stories are storying.

[Erin]

Oh, and. Yeah.

[Jackie]

What?

[Erin]

Yeah, the stories.

[Jackie]

Yeah, Michaela Nagaro.

[Erin]

Things we, like, didn't predict, but it's just crazy how on the pulse we are.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Unless, like, the two things are related, because. I guess.

[Erin]

But of course they are.

[Jackie]

So we were just sort of putting a magnifying glass to that. I don't feel, like, predict. I feel like we magnify the situation.

[Erin]

We are just, like, radioactive. Like, everything near us, like, everything in our orbit, like, is on fire in good and bad ways.

[Jackie]

It doesn't sound good.

[Erin]

Like, Michaela Nogueira doesn't get spoken about on, like, podcasts a lot, but when she does, like, she gets divorced. I just.

[Jackie]

She's always. But also, is it like she was spoken about once and she got divorced or, like, she's always doing something. She's always in the zeitgeist.

[Erin]

She's crazy.

[Jackie]

Everyone's obsessed with her. Just you.

[Erin]

Oh, my God. Joey Kamaska.

[Jackie]

No, everyone is. Remember the mascara?

[Erin]

Oh, yeah, of course. You know, they're still talking about it.

[Jackie]

They're obsessed with her because she just.

[Erin]

Got a campaign with l' Oreal for A mascara. And, like, now they're making a joke about it. Like, because it's on TikTok, it's referred to lovingly as Mascara Gate. And she became, like, a global face of l' Oreal for their new mascara launch. And they were talking about, you know, mascara. So, yeah, she's made coin off of the mascara fiasco.

[Jackie]

Good.

[Erin]

Yeah. Joey Commander texted me last night that he was on the floor. He said his pillow was wet from the tears. He was crying at that clip that we posted about you seeing the. Let me add for the first time. He's obsessed with, like. Like, when you're uncomfortable, like, and sexual innuendos. Because when you guys did the episode during my maternity leave, it was like, a lot of that because Joey's very, like, R rated and you're not. He was crying. It was so funny.

[Jackie]

It was really funny. It was very unexpected.

[Erin]

How were you celebrating the big day?

[Jackie]

The big day? Well, it's a big weekend. It's a holiday weekend, which is so fun. So it's just like, bus club. Another bus club. And I think we're gonna do a little beach day today perhaps. Let's see, if weather permits.

[Erin]

I'm wearing shorts.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I packed a T shirt. I have a beach bag in my car.

[Erin]

Oh, a good T shirt.

[Jackie]

Back to the beach.

[Erin]

Oh, you're so.

[Jackie]

I know this is looks like a T shirt, but it's actually a leotard. And if I'm gonna be, like, breastfeeding by the beach, I need a T shirt, not a leotard.

[Erin]

That's really crazy that you're wearing a leotard.

[Jackie]

Well, it's. These are, like, my nudes. Bodysuits. I have them in every color. I wore them a lot before I got pregnant. I wore them every day. They're just, like, they're better than T shirts. I know.

[Erin]

There's just something crazy about being a postpartum woman wearing a leotard.

[Jackie]

It's a T shirt bodysuit. So, like, I don't want anyone to.

[Erin]

But it clips at the machine.

[Jackie]

It clips. And, like, if your breasts.

[Erin]

It's not a thong, is it?

[Jackie]

No, it's. Well, I'm wearing undies.

[Erin]

Okay. But, like, sometimes the bodysuits are, like, thong.

[Jackie]

It's not thong. And it's not. Not thong.

[Erin]

Full cover.

[Jackie]

Oh, like, it's not. I'll show you later.

[Erin]

Oh, how exciting.

[Jackie]

The beach.

[Erin]

Okay. That's just crazy.

[Jackie]

I have not changed into my T shirt.

[Erin]

I haven't worn, like, a leotard bodysuit long before I Got pregnant.

[Jackie]

Like.

[Erin]

Like, to me, that's just a part of my former life.

[Jackie]

It was just the shirt for the job today.

[Erin]

Okay.

[Jackie]

I don't know how else to describe it. And I feel good about it. It's not bothering me.

[Erin]

It's not?

[Jackie]

No.

[Erin]

I imagine, though, and I don't want to get too personal, but I imagine wearing underwear and then a thong, like, bodysuit is kind of weird.

[Jackie]

Not if it's not. These are why the nudes ones are great. Have you seen them?

[Erin]

I don't wear bodysuits.

[Jackie]

If I showed it to you, you would understand. It's a T shirt. Looks like a T shirt, and then at the bottom, it just, like, has a stretchy undercarriage. It's not like what you remember from American Apparel of, like, a bodysuit.

[Erin]

You just unlock.

[Jackie]

I know, I know that's what you're thinking is happening.

[Erin]

Actually, that's not what I mean.

[Jackie]

They've made great strides.

[Erin]

Let's talk about American Apparel. Can we?

[Jackie]

They made great strides in the bodysuit world.

[Erin]

Did they make a documentary?

[Jackie]

I think they did. I didn't watch it. Okay.

[Erin]

Because they should make a documentary.

[Jackie]

I can't give any more of my life to American Apparel. I already did.

[Erin]

Should make a documentary, obviously, about American Apparel, but just about that one store on 3rd Avenue and, like, 66th Street. The way it shaped a generation, it shaped the culture. That store in particular was insane. Like, the draw, it was literally, like, so house. Like, it was such a place to see and be seen. When it went out of business, like, it was devastating for the community. And, like, what were we even buying their hoodies and, like, V neck T shirts. Yes, the V necks.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It was like the modern. And now there are so many brands that, like, do what they did. It's not as revolutionary concentrated into one brand. It's like, everyone.

[Erin]

Melville.

[Jackie]

Yeah, Madewell, J. Crew. All the staples. You know, you can go anywhere for your staples. Skims. Back in the day, there was one, and it was American Apparel. You need a T shirt. American power. You need a sweatshirt. American Apparel. You need leggings. American Apparel. And if it's not American Apparel, everyone's gonna know.

[Erin]

It was such a status symbol, even.

[Jackie]

Though it wasn't, like, the most expensive, like, but it was, like, high.

[Erin]

Like, it was elevated staples.

[Jackie]

Elevated staples. Fugly staples.

[Erin]

Like, purple zip ups.

[Jackie]

Fugly staples.

[Erin]

And when I look back on pictures from high school, like, it's like I was wearing it every day.

[Jackie]

Every day. And it's like, today I'm gonna wear my Nice purple.

[Erin]

And like, my black dressed up today.

[Jackie]

I'll wear my yellow purple zipper and the thing.

[Erin]

Oh, oh.

[Jackie]

What's your timer for? I don't even know.

[Erin]

You could set a timer.

[Jackie]

Sure.

[Erin]

No, for real.

[Jackie]

You don't have to take like, a vitamin or something?

[Erin]

No, I don't take vitamins. That's why I have, like, these white lines on my fingernails.

[Jackie]

You don't have to do an injection?

[Erin]

No, I took my step down last night. What else? I don't take birth control. Like, what else do people set timers for? I'm not.

[Jackie]

Wake up.

[Erin]

I'm not hard boiling eggs. Like, I don't know what the hell my phone was going off for.

[Jackie]

Okay, well, she's awake. Her eggs are boiled.

[Erin]

Yeah. What are we talking about? Oh, and as sister is like, we had a. Like, you know, you had a bit of a. A uniform. We didn't wear uniforms at school. But, you know, you always wore, like, a white T shirt or whatever, and you had white T shirts that were American Apparel and white T shirts that were not American Apparel. And, like, you would always have to keep them in the rotation, like, of when you laundered them. And then if, like, a sister took, like, the good American Apparel T shirt, it was such a fight. Like, what drugs were they putting in those T shirts?

[Jackie]

I don't know.

[Erin]

It was crack for kids.

[Jackie]

It was.

[Erin]

What is crack for kids today? Roblox, K Pop?

[Jackie]

Demon Hunters?

[Erin]

Yes.

[Jackie]

Labubu.

[Erin]

I feel like that came and went. Like, I think Labuba's over. I don't know, though. If you're young, let me know.

[Jackie]

I think they're cute. What's the. I don't know. The point. Is it a point to wear it on a handbag?

[Erin]

Well, on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, when I saw Dorit wearing one on a handbag, it felt like a throwback because they filmed this obviously, like a year ago. And I don't think Labubus are boobing.

[Jackie]

Really. I feel like they've sort of settled into, like, whatever they're going to be.

[Erin]

No, I think they've actually faded, like, as faded. I believe they were, like, a marker of the time and the time has moved.

[Jackie]

Did you ever get one?

[Erin]

No. Did I got one in pr?

[Jackie]

I got one in PR from the bar.

[Erin]

Me too.

[Jackie]

And it brought great joy to my household.

[Erin]

There was someone in my life who, like, loved Labubu, so I gave it to them.

[Jackie]

Wow.

[Erin]

Yeah. I'm generous of spirit.

[Jackie]

That's really sweet. So I'm glad to have had one. Yeah, I get it. I got it. You know, like, they are stinking cute.

[Erin]

Yeah. Are we gonna make it a story? The Frida baby thing?

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Erin]

Okay. Because I really actually want to talk about that.

[Jackie]

I'm feeling sick inside.

[Erin]

I kind of am, too.

[Jackie]

I'm feeling sick.

[Erin]

All right, so I feel like the stories are.

[Jackie]

Actually, there's a lot of stories, plus two TV recaps, so. Oh, my God, let's go. Plus cleaning weenie. So let's just get into everything that we need to discuss. Without further ado, da do, da do. Here are the fast five stories that you need to know.

[Erin]

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[Jackie]

Our first story of the day, the aforementioned divorce news between influencer Michael Negaro and her husband, Cody Hawkin. She has shared that they are divorcing. So she announced on Thursday in a TikTok video that she and her husband decided to split. And last year she said, I'm getting a divorce. Take a minute. Take it in. I'm getting a divorce. Can you play the video for me?

[Erin]

Happily. I literally have it saved.

[Jackie]

I want to hear it from Michaela's.

[Erin]

Mouth, from Michaela cell.

[Jackie]

God forbid I follow her.

[Erin]

It's a long video. She posted it on both platforms.

[Michaela Niguera]

This video by saying, I appreciate you.

[Jackie]

Can I see her?

[Michaela Niguera]

And I love you.

[Jackie]

I love her.

[Michaela Niguera]

And you're gonna want to sit down for this video.

[Jackie]

I'm sad.

[Erin]

I love her.

[Michaela Niguera]

I am getting a divorce. Take a minute, take it in. I am getting a divorce. Cody and I love each other so much.

[Erin]

Not enough to stay together.

[Michaela Niguera]

Each other so much. We would do literally anything.

[Jackie]

That's a great. That sounds like a great marriage.

[Erin]

Stay married.

[Jackie]

That sounds like a great marriage.

[Michaela Niguera]

Well, I'm not going to be sharing any details whatsoever as to why Cody and I have made this decision. I love her for that main reason I am doing that is because I want to protect Cody. Cody deserves that. We both want to heal. Cody deserves to be happy. Cody deserves to be happy. So do I. This is an extremely shitty thing. No one gets married to get a divorce. Absolutely no one. But what I can tell you is that this is very amicable. We talk every day. He comes over for dinner. He sees the dogs. He and I were together for five years, married for two. And they are some of the best memories of my life. Memories?

[Jackie]

No.

[Erin]

Okay, so.

[Jackie]

So they're perfect best friends and they love each other and respect each other and they love to talk and have dinner. You should get married.

[Erin]

Yes. So lots to discuss in case you are just listening as a podcast, you know, full beat, you know, Michaela J.

[Jackie]

Nothing less.

[Erin]

Full beat, natural sunlight. Her face pressed up against a window. Okay. It was so dramatic. Like, you know, turtleneck sweater. Like, I lived for the staging. Okay. I knew what she was going to say before she even said it. There has been so much speculation about Cody. If you've been following this for, like, literally two years, he's been missing a lot. And then, like, a year ago, she shared that he relapsed with his addiction. So everybody just sort of backed off and, like, didn't look so much into, where is he? He's not in the videos because obviously he's going through active recovery. And everybody just sort of, like, backed off.

[Jackie]

There have been.

[Erin]

So then she, like, at the end of last year, which she said that they decided to get divorced at the end of last year, she posted content for, like, a month that she was in bed and consolable. Grieving, grieving, grieving. She can't tell us why. Can't tell us why. Like, a lot of, like, really annoying, like, clickbaity type of stuff.

[Jackie]

But now we know that all of those things was the divorce.

[Erin]

Okay, Now I just find this annoying because while I actually like her message being like, I'm not telling you bitches what happened, like, people are so awful to her. Like, really, really awful.

[Jackie]

People share too much in general, 1,000%.

[Erin]

And he's a private person. This is, like, not at all what he wanted for his life. So I respect the message, but her delivery is so. Almost like she's baiting people. Like, the video goes on for, like, two more minutes. I'm not telling you why. Don't even try and guess. It's not about his recovery. Like, so what is it? Like, I wouldn't have even cared if.

[Jackie]

It was, like, creating more mystery. Obviously, that's because she's great at her job.

[Erin]

She's amazing at her. Now, do we want to guess? Like, what?

[Jackie]

Listen, I didn't even know that her husband's name was Cody. I think I remember that she got married because there was some drama that.

[Erin]

Like, she kicked out. She disinvited, like, her actual family members and friends so she could invite influencers, which was, like, a lie.

[Jackie]

Was there a drama with her wedding dress? No, I feel like there was a drama surrounding something in her wedding. And it's not what you just said, because that doesn't sound familiar.

[Erin]

No, but, like, the drama was, like, how many influencers were there? And, like, A girl made a video being like, I'm her best friend from college and I got kicked out of the wedding so, like, you know, Remy Bader could come.

[Jackie]

Not obsessed with Michaela, the girl.

[Erin]

Yeah, no, the Internet is obsessed with Michaela. And there have been so many scandals, drama, and a lot of them are rooted, rooted in complete lies. Like, the wedding thing was a lie. She deals with so much, this girl. Like, I actually feel bad for her. She's just so polarizing for people, and when all she does is make makeup. Now, I saw something to note about the video, and I'm surprised you didn't mention it. Is her accent is completely gone.

[Jackie]

It is.

[Erin]

Yeah. Listen. Yeah, no, listen.

[Jackie]

Let's hear it again.

[Michaela Niguera]

I do not regret a single thing, nor does Cody. So much speculation.

[Erin]

But in the past, she would have. There would have been so much speculation. I sound like Julianne Moore in 30 Rock when she plays out of Irish Boston, girlfriend of Alec Baldwin.

[Jackie]

Then it's good.

[Erin]

No, Nancy.

[Jackie]

So you crushed it.

[Erin]

And then actually, like, two weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago, Michaela made another video. She's always, like, making these grand, sweeping statements and then, like, going back to normal, but basically being, like, her entire Internet career has been a lie. She hates that. Like, you know, I do feel like I actually thought she was being really honest in this video, being like, she got so famous, so wealthy overnight, and she's like, it changed me completely. I became obsessed with, like, influencer lifestyle, money. She said, everything that you've seen on my page in the last couple of years has been a complete lie. I think she was referring to the accent because she's, like, very slowly dropped it. And it's funny because the accent was a thing on the Internet for, like, a year. People did not. They were finding videos of her from college talking normal, and then no one's talking about the fact that her accent is completely gone. Kim Kardashian.

[Jackie]

Well, I think that's like, everyone has a role to go to pot, too. Like, everyone has a role to play on the Internet. Have you been seeing the Becca Bloom stuff?

[Erin]

I've been seeing the Becca Bloom stuff, yes.

[Jackie]

They say she's poor, that she's not nearly as wealthy as she's been, like, acting on the Internet. Okay. She's playing a role. She's telling us a story.

[Erin]

Kayla or Niguera.

[Jackie]

Niguera is playing a role on the Internet. Like, you play up, whoever you are. Everybody is, you know, a little extra.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Except for us.

[Erin]

We're so.

[Jackie]

We're ourselves.

[Erin]

And that's why we're failures. Like, we. That's why we will never be, like, big stars, because all we do is tell the truth.

[Jackie]

I completely agree. Like, if we amped it up, if we turned it up, if we, like, made ourselves fit into a box and then blew up the box, like, we would crush it. No.

[Erin]

Like, we just started, like, telling lies. Like, we're just so honest. Like, I come over here and tell you guys, like, what color my poop was. Like, nobody wants to see that. And that's why we're failures. Like, that's why this is a tiny show and we'll never take off.

[Jackie]

It's true. It's actually 100 true.

[Erin]

I know. Anyway, like, our greatest strength, it's our.

[Jackie]

Achilles heel, is our weakness, is our honesty and authenticity.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

It's the year of authenticity.

[Erin]

So unfortunately for us, another year in the garbage can.

[Jackie]

Maybe next year will be, like, the year of putting it on.

[Erin]

Like, the thing is, I don't put it on because I'm literally so lazy. Like, do you know creative and, like, how much thought and time you have to, like, put into, like, making videos that aren't just, like, your conscious. Like, stream of conscious?

[Jackie]

Yes, but. And for also, like, talking technically, like, you can put it on for three minutes in a video on Instagram. We're, like, sat here six hours a week. Like. Yeah, yeah, it's going to slip.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Michaela, we didn't even talk about the Lemmy ad and how this plays into it, like, well, of course.

[Erin]

So I don't really want to theorize because she literally asked us not to. Oh, but.

[Jackie]

Right. Sorry.

[Erin]

A lot of what she was saying.

[Jackie]

No, but also. No, I don't even want to theorize. Oh, maybe they divorce because he never, like.

[Erin]

Well, no, but she said.

[Jackie]

But he.

[Erin]

They're divorcing because. Blank. And that's why he never blinked. That's. That's what. That's what the Internet's saying, by the.

[Jackie]

Way, for me, more so it's like, because they are divorced, she could make that ad.

[Erin]

Well, I'm relieved to hear that they are divorced because she made that ad. That's your man.

[Jackie]

And you went back home like, hey, honey, how was your day at work?

[Erin]

Good. Just told everyone you never ate me out. Like insane.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Erin]

So I'm actually thrilled that they're divorcing for that reason alone.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Because they don't have to live with the aftermath of the ad.

[Erin]

They don't have to have dinner together, like, knowing that exists.

[Jackie]

Yeah, well, they still do have dinner together.

[Erin]

She said, yeah, for the dogs.

[Jackie]

The dogs.

[Erin]

I mean, I don't know what's next for one Michaela Niguera. Like, she's kind of in a transitional period. Like I said, she made this, like, huge video at the end of the year. Being like, everything has been a lie. I just want to go back to, like, the normal girl that I am and stop lying to everyone. And, like, I got so caught up with, like, the money and the fame, and I'm just, like, going back to being the girl that I am. So that means no man and no accent. Like, I'm down.

[Jackie]

I just, like, I don't know why it's so hard to keep up, like, the lie.

[Erin]

Like, I think it was, like, taking a toll on her mental health.

[Jackie]

Really?

[Erin]

Yeah, her life. Like, she was hysterically crying in the.

[Jackie]

Video to get on, like, to put on a little show. Like, a couple videos a week, whatever. Like, being this, like, extra person. Like, rake it in and then go and enjoy your private life. Like, why is that? Like, so.

[Erin]

So it's like. It's, like, five videos a day.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Erin]

It's mostly makeup, so, like, she doesn't have to get personal with it. I think that maybe is, like, what she's gonna do now. She's, like, closing the chapter on her personal life being. And, like, I literally. For makeup, I'm always buying that. Like, I literally do not give a How many dogs she has, how many boyfriends she has, like, for me. And I think a lot of people, like, we come to her. We come to this place for makeup. Like, so just do that. You don't have to share with us. Like, if I had a.

[Jackie]

No, but people demand it. Like, you're sound of mine. But, like, people I know.

[Erin]

She's so young.

[Jackie]

She's so young. Yeah. And it's like, you feel. So. I understand why that feels compelled on your mental health. But, like, faking an accent, like, just.

[Erin]

Just do it, you know, it's like, it's theater.

[Jackie]

It is theater. But if it's more than that, if she, like, really feels like she's giving a piece of herself to the world, and then everybody, like, beats her up, right? That hurts.

[Erin]

Yeah. Charlotte Tilbury.

[Jackie]

I love her.

[Erin]

Charlotte.

[Jackie]

If she has no fans. Claudia, stop showing me her TikTok.

[Erin]

Literally. No, she is a character. And, yeah, like, you can't put Michael in a box. You can't.

[Jackie]

No, you can't. But looking forward to see if she dates next list of eligibles.

[Erin]

Literally add her to the list.

[Jackie]

I would love to.

[Erin]

I mean, she's also like Boston Strong. Well, no, that's what they said with the marathon. Like, she's Boston proud. Thank you. So, like, maybe she could date Mark Wahlberg.

[Jackie]

Mark Wahlberg? Yeah.

[Erin]

The two of them together with their voices match made in heaven.

[Jackie]

If they make another Ted, she has to be in it.

[Erin]

You know, they're making a Ted TV show. It's on Peacock. Thank God I still have my Peacock subscription for the Olympics.

[Jackie]

Well, she should be in it.

[Erin]

I saw a commercial for it. Like it's Our boys are back in town.

[Jackie]

She should voice like Ted's wife.

[Erin]

Girlfriend. Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

Free idea.

[Erin]

It's a great idea.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our next story? Some really adorable news from, like, some positive news from Lively v. Valdoni because the two of them have started court proceedings and Blake Lively had her chauffeur fetch her pricey mahjong set and bring it to her in court on Wednesday. You guys, one step closer to Taylor playing mahjong.

[Erin]

Not only that, any hopes that, like, I would have backed off on being Team Lively are now in the garbage.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So page six here is that she showed up for court around 8:30am on Wednesday for a day of mediation in her suit against former co star Justin Baldoni. And the proceeding got underway at 10am by 11am Apparently, Blake had grown weary of the wheels of justice turning slowly and called for her diversions. We're told that her driver showed up at the door of the courthouse with a mahjong set. She's previously talked about her mahjong habit. I didn't even know this.

[Erin]

Me neither.

[Jackie]

Have been paying attention in December when she told Vogue, quote, I've been teaching friends how to play mahjong, though I need to say I'm not a certified teacher, but I know enough to teach my friends how to play with me. And in the end, I always end up gifting them my own set because they are obsessed and want to practice. Apparently, she favors sets from oh my Mahjong, which runs as high as 500. A basic set costs about 25, and an ultra luxe one like by Bruno Cuccinelli is $15,000.

[Erin]

Oh, somebody better get that for me.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Even if it just came out with a majong.

[Erin]

A friend of ours was telling us that, like, for a birthday gift, her husband got her the Hermes mahjong set. And it's like literally impossible to play with. It's all like, it's beautiful, like wooden. It has no numbers on it. It's all like Authentically in Chinese. So unless you speak Chinese, you can't use it.

[Jackie]

Oh, wow.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

No, I love a mahjong set.

[Erin]

Okay.

[Jackie]

And I just bust the case wide open. Who does she play with in court, though?

[Erin]

Well, so I imagine, like, you bring a support system with you. Like, we just saw her getting out of the car.

[Jackie]

That's true.

[Erin]

A lot of people noted that Ryan wasn't there. I think it's better that he wasn't. I do, like, think he's a distracted distraction. And right now they're both so unlikable. Like, them together in the same room is just, like, bad for pr.

[Jackie]

And.

[Erin]

And I think a lot of people are like, she's not taking it seriously.

[Jackie]

Like, this is serious.

[Erin]

I imagine there's a lot of downtime during these proceedings.

[Jackie]

Like, oh, is that what people saying about the mahjong?

[Erin]

I imagine, like, are you having your show for fetch your mahjong? This is a serious court about sexual harassment. And it's like, yeah, but this is also just, like, a real life thing she has to go through. And so, yeah, mahjong is an amazing way to pass the time.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Erin]

Like, you should. They should have mahjong rooms in every airport.

[Jackie]

Honestly. Sounds fun.

[Michaela Niguera]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

No wonder why she's, like, not in a rush to end this thing.

[Erin]

I just want to say, like, when all is said and done and this court case is over, whoever, like, wins. Right. I do think, like, Blake Lively should compensate me for my, like, steadfast belief in her with a gifted mahjong set. Like, if it doesn't show up in my P.O. box, like, I'm gonna be upset.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Erin]

Because I've taken a lot for her.

[Jackie]

Well, and she can make it really nice. Like the flowers from the press tour.

[Erin]

I don't think she ever wants to remember those flowers. Like, I think she's probably triggered by flowers now. Like, she was trying to be thoughtful with her costumes, and she got called, like, a woman hating.

[Jackie]

I think the BAMs would maybe be, like, locks of hair because of her. Blake Lively.

[Erin]

Oh, Blake Brown. Well, let's talk about the Lukes. So we got paparazzi pictures of both her and Justin entering the courthouse, obviously, totally separately. But this is a very high profile case, and unfortunately, like, what she wears is gonna be talked about. I was obsessed with her outfit.

[Jackie]

I think she looked great. She looks stylish, not flashy.

[Erin]

No. And that has been, like, a big point of discussion.

[Jackie]

She dressed any differently than how she normally dresses? It would look like she's trying too hard. Like, trying to put on a show. So I think she really nailed it.

[Erin]

And her hair looked insane.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Erin]

Let me see. Turn around. This is, like, the green suit. Yeah. It's very cool.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it is. And then he was matching her.

[Erin]

Now, I know, like, I'm very being, like, stereotypical, like, you know. Yeah. But, like, for me, these things matter. And so, so far, like, between the outfits, the mahjong, like, I'm.

[Jackie]

She's in my book. Yeah. Like, the first week, just for, like, the superficial thing. Also, apparently, they went to mediation, like, to try and see if they could settle it, you know, they really should. They really should. That's what I've been saying the whole time, and they couldn't.

[Erin]

Do you think that Justin wants. Media wants to settle? Because this actually has been good for him. The more things come out, like, nobody is turning on Blake.

[Jackie]

I actually. I could say he is getting. He's improving as the case. This is good for him. He doesn't want to settle. She, I think, has so much to prove that if she settles now, she settles. She only does what? Loser.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So I actually think neither of them want to settle.

[Erin]

Yeah. Like, Justin should just take the W and go.

[Jackie]

But she agree to that.

[Erin]

Yeah, I know, but you're saying she's the one who's not even. Wouldn't she want this nightmare to end?

[Jackie]

I think they're both not okay when they both need to be are.

[Erin]

And so this is in New York?

[Jackie]

Yes, at the Daniel Patrick Moynihan courthouse.

[Erin]

Oh, I've been there many times. It's beautiful.

[Jackie]

Have you?

[Erin]

I guess I have, because I've done jury duty.

[Jackie]

Are there not multiple courthouses?

[Erin]

Yeah, I've been to 60 Center Street.

[Jackie]

That's.

[Erin]

Yeah, that's where you get your marriage license.

[Jackie]

Pearl Street. Pearl.

[Erin]

Yes. Chinatown.

[Jackie]

Pearl.

[Erin]

Pearl.

[Jackie]

I. I not been to that courthouse.

[Erin]

So. Yeah, I actually quite enjoyed, like, this part of the court. Everything has been so dark and so, like, unfun. Yeah. That this was. I'm sorry. Fun. The mahjong. It was very interesting.

[Jackie]

It was. Do you think she taught Taylor how to play before the. The Bragis?

[Erin]

No, because I'm telling you, if Taylor played mahjong, we would know. Did you see the video of Donna Kelsey being TMZ outside the airport?

[Jackie]

No.

[Erin]

It was such a funny and lovely conversation. The guy was like. Like, you're a celebrity now. Like, you go on reality shows, like, as yourself. Not just as, like, someone's mom or whatever. She was like, no, I'm really not. And then she talked about Traders and it's clear that, like, she was like, they didn't know how to film me. They. She kind of was like saying, not in a bad way. She was very smiley the whole time. Really lovely being. She said it was just like something that she wanted to do, but like they didn't know what to do with her. That's what she said.

[Jackie]

What do they have to do with her? Like, why can't she just.

[Erin]

I think because she couldn't do the challenges. Yeah. And because they, spoiler alert, like, made her that dumb secret traitor. They put her in like a terrible spot. So she was like, it was fun, but like, I could have stayed longer if you have to watch a video was weird. And then they were asking her what she'll dance to with Travis at the wedding. And she was like, she was very open. She was like, I danced with Jason at his wedding to like a song from the Bee Gees Love Shack or something like that. So maybe something like that.

[Jackie]

Mark Anthony. Do you think they'll do? Yeah.

[Erin]

And then the interviewer, who was really lovely, by the way, was like a very positive paparazzi experience. And Donna was with a friend who was like cracking up at everything Donna was saying. Then the final question was like, you know, did they make you sign an NDA for all the wedding stuff? And Donna was like, oh, no, they know I can keep a good secret. Bye. Thanks. Like, it was a great interaction as the secret trader. You're right.

[Jackie]

Secret trader can keep a secret.

[Erin]

Not really. If I was Taylor and I saw Donna's time on Traders, I would have had that. My lawyer, like putting the agreement together.

[Jackie]

They're not gonna make her sign an end know. I'm saying, like, what a silly question.

[Erin]

I don't know. Taylor's like, very, very private.

[Jackie]

I'm sorry, you.

[Erin]

No, I mean, that's a. A quick way to become like a daughter in law that you hate.

[Jackie]

Nicola.

[Erin]

Yeah, literally.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our next story? It's some exciting TV news. Dancing with the Stars sets a spin off series to find their next pro. And Robert Irwin is eyed to host it.

[Erin]

Oh.

[Jackie]

So Dancing with the Stars is getting the Glee project statement. A competition show. Dancing with the Stars, the next next pro. It will feature up and coming professional dancers who will live in a house together and compete in a grueling audition process. The winner will land a coveted spot as a pro dancer on the next season of Dancing with the Stars.

[Erin]

Zachary, this is like very smart.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And they're saying that Robert Irwin will host it.

[Erin]

Well, they Love to promote. Like Alfonso was a contestant who's now the host of the show. They love to like create talent, which I think is so smart. They're literally like an incubator. And there is this like a lot of people watch Dancing with the Stars and then a smaller, but you know, still big amount of people are about obsessed with the pros. Like the culture, who dates who, the history. I personally don't give a. But there are like, those are the people who like go to the tour. So there's a real built in audience for it. And yeah. The Glee Project.

[Jackie]

The Glee Project. I think this is a great idea. It takes a lot to be a pro, as we saw, like we thought they did to yawn.

[Erin]

What do you think it's going to be?

[Jackie]

Hulu. It is going to be on abc. And Hulu it says.

[Erin]

I can't. Yeah. I can't see this being like on.

[Jackie]

Cable on ABC and Hulu.

[Erin]

I know. I just can't say. Being on cable.

[Jackie]

Why?

[Erin]

Like, I don't know.

[Jackie]

To me, reality says to air over the summer. I think it's like summer is a lull.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Like weird.

[Erin]

I just like, I think of like, just old. Like, to me, reality shows that air on cable with commercials are so old school. Like they're not the future. Like the Bachelor.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Also, Mark Ballas is being eyed to judge along with his mother, Shirley Ballas, who is a dancer known as the Queen of Latin.

[Erin]

Wait, that's so cute. I didn't know that.

[Jackie]

Yeah. A lot of like personalities to choose from. You know, she get to judge. Even though I don't know him, I just know that he's like, nasty.

[Erin]

Let me think, like someone who's nasty in dances, in.

[Jackie]

In the world of Dancing of the Stars. It's not like that. Like Maxim.

[Erin]

Of course.

[Jackie]

Yeah, he would be the sign.

[Erin]

Yeah, yeah, they need that.

[Jackie]

They need that.

[Erin]

That's a great call.

[Jackie]

Bring Maxim.

[Erin]

Oh, yeah. And then they have like also like, you know, pros who have sunsetted who are still really influential and big in like, they have a ton of people to choose from when it comes to like all. So this is very smart. It's like making use of the talent. Although I did see like, because I follow a lot of the pros on Tick Tock. Like that's where it goes down. And a lot of them were like, hyping up this big announcement. Big announcement. I saw people were like a little disappointed that like, this is the announcement.

[Jackie]

I think this is a great announcement. What were they hoping for? Like, another tour?

[Erin]

I don't know. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Like, yeah, but no, I think this is cool.

[Erin]

No, I love this. Do they have a name for the show? Is it called the Dance Project?

[Jackie]

It's called Dancing with the Stars. The next pro. Okay.

[Erin]

I don't love it. It's, like, a little chewy, but it's fine.

[Jackie]

It is chewy. What about America's Next top Dancer?

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Love dancing with the next pro.

[Erin]

Dancing with the pros.

[Jackie]

Yeah. That sounds like a reality show about the pros.

[Erin]

Would love that too.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Erin]

No, this is a good idea.

[Jackie]

This is a good idea. I'm happy for Mark that he's gonna get more work after traders, because if.

[Erin]

That was, like, the worst thing he ever did, I don't want to talk about traders yet. Cause it's like a.

[Jackie]

Except you see when he shut the door and twirled after.

[Erin]

Oh, that's. That's funny. When.

[Jackie]

When I tell you I was watching.

[Erin]

With half an eye last night.

[Jackie]

I know. And I was shocked that I saw it. I was like, wow. Usually I miss stuff like that. He came back from the challenge, and he shut the front door and sashayed.

[Erin]

Turned, like, that's the most he's.

[Jackie]

I was like, that's the Mark we know. And he talked about dancing at the round table, about having a partner. You can trust him. Like, he's like, in my sport, I'm like, what are you? Who are you?

[Erin]

But okay, love that relevant work experience.

[Jackie]

No, I agree. And then he made a relevant. Good point. And I was like, thank you, Mark, for your.

[Erin]

Try doing it more for your contribution. Let's not talk about traders yet, because it is a gateway drug, and I don't want to spoil anything.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Erin]

But I'm just thinking, what other shows or like that, like, could you give the Glee Project treatment to, like, finding the next housewife where you put, like, a bunch of turn women in a house? That would be kind of a good idea.

[Jackie]

That would be scary.

[Erin]

Yeah. I love this. I love it.

[Jackie]

Toasty lion, perhaps?

[Erin]

Well, let's see how it goes.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But for ideas, it's a great idea. Are you ready for our next story?

[Erin]

What number?

[Jackie]

Our fourth story. Yeah, we spoke about this at the top of the show, but popular baby care brand Frida Baby is facing backlash over inappropriate marketing. Marketing campaigns. Okay, so some posts are going viral in the last few days about Frida Baby, some screenshots of their products.

[Erin]

Just. Sorry to cut you off. Anybody who doesn't know what Frida Baby is, it is a company. It's Like a cool millennial company.

[Jackie]

That premier brand for baby products and for postpartum products.

[Erin]

They make everything. If you had a baby and you need something from a nail clipper to a bath to a thermometer. Big things, little things. They make one of everything. And their shit is really good.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I don't want to, like make this an endorsement for them, but I think what's so shocking about this is not just like a baby brand. Whatever. They make something. It is the best in category.

[Erin]

That fudgeing nail clipper you guys like, it's insane. I.

[Jackie]

The baby. The three in one baby bath.

[Erin]

Love that.

[Jackie]

The no sucker.

[Erin]

The undies. Like the postpartum diapers of the postpartum kit.

[Jackie]

The. The. The squeegee bottle.

[Erin]

Perineal.

[Jackie]

Perineal bottle.

[Erin]

Like everything. So it's like this is like an industry that's kind of archaic. Like, you know, the baby nail clipper has been the same since, and they make one that's a little bit different and 55 times better. Like, what they've done for mothers can't be understated. No. I think it's before we drag them.

[Jackie]

Everything that they make is better. No. That's why it's destabilizing for the mama community. It's not like, oh, I'm just gonna boycott this random baby brand. It's like, these are the best products.

[Erin]

You can't boycott it. Like, if you need to live.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Erin]

But let's tell everyone what happened.

[Jackie]

So a couple posts and product packaging are resurfacing. No.

[Erin]

So what happened was they posted something on Instagram about a rectal thermometer.

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Erin]

And that's what set the whole thing off. Now people are going back at all their packaging. But this Instagram caption really rubbed people the wrong way. For good reason. Obviously. It's a rectal thermometer. When you take a baby's temperature, you don't put it in their mouth, you don't put it in their ear, you put the temperature in their tushy for, like, the most accurate reading. They make a great one. I have it. And the caption that they posted to promote this product was suspicious.

[Jackie]

It says, this is the closest your husband's gonna get to a threesome. Meet the new three in one true temp thermometer. The Swiss army knife of temperature taking accuracy. Then here are a few more reasons to love it. We've got options. Rectal Under Armour Oral light for the end of the tunnel. Parent proof stopper. So you don't stick it in Too far. Then along with that, people started finding other posts that had, like, you know, questionable, inappropriate. Not even questionable. We can just say straight up inappropriate marketing. And then also their product packaging, it's always been, like, quippy and.

[Erin]

Yeah. Like, supposed to be different, Right? Like I said, they're like a new age millennial. This is like an archaic industry. And they were such a disruptor because they made, you know, all the best baby products in pargy packaging and funny captions and they, like, definitely took it too far.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And so, like, here, this is. I don't know what this is. Like a pacifier or something. It says, I'm a power sucker. There's another one of a forehead touchless thermometer says, how about a quickie? And then another one for a. What is it? Oh, this is like a humidifier or something. It says I get turned on easily.

[Erin]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

No, it's all disgusting. And there's more and more and more. I can't believe we've never noticed something like this.

[Erin]

I know. I guess I'm not, like, looking in hindsight, it's like. Well, yeah, it's all weird. And it just took this one Instagram caption to get people to talk about it. I think when it comes to, like, baby products, Baby. Some people are really, like, it's funny or whatever. I don't think you can really ever take it too seriously, like, or be too extreme in how careful you are. And there's a difference between, like, being, like, a funny company. They're like, you know, saying funny things versus being anything even remotely sexual when it comes to kids. Like, sorry, no, like, I call me I'm woke. You know, Like, I'm so cancelling with this. Like, get out of here with that.

[Jackie]

Agreed. Some of the Instagram captions have been archived there from 2020 and 2021. They reportedly include terms such as threesome and lube. Then people identify current members listed on the company's website. They all had, like, quotes about, like, being parents. Those were also weird. And now the team page was removed from the site.

[Erin]

It's giving Balenciaga. The difference is that, like, this is a company. Like, Balenciaga was weird, but it was like, a company for adults. Like, you're making things for kids. If you find yourself writing a piece of copy that even remotely could be interpreted as, like, sexual delete. Like, what's wrong with people?

[Jackie]

I don't know. And this seems to be, like, their strategy. I need to now look at everything in my house. Like, because I think A lot of them are like, do you know on the head.

[Michaela Niguera]

No, no.

[Jackie]

And, like, they get it right, you know, about, like, whatever gas or whatever. They make, like, little jokes about farts.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I don't read the packaging that intently. Like, no.

[Erin]

When I got something from freedom, obviously in a state of distress and I'm, like, tearing it open to take the temperature, like.

[Jackie]

But seeing this all, like, spelled out like this, like, it's disgusting. And I also think that there's probably a difference between, like, the product team and the marketing team for a company like this. Like, there's people who make great products for babies and then they hire these packaging experts. Yeah. And these experts are disgusting.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And they need a change of experts.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

No, and I'm as a mom and I know that they make the best of everything, but, like. And you literally bought me something Frida yesterday.

[Erin]

I did, and I bought myself something.

[Jackie]

Frida yesterday right before we saw this. Because I wouldn't have bought it. The thing is, there's a change in the company. I'm sorry. This is disgusting.

[Erin]

It's disgusting. But I really don't feel like I should have to suffer. Like, do you know that until I found that nail clipper, I was making Ruby bleed every time. So I'm not going to make Ruby bleed just to take moral high ground. But having said that, now that you.

[Jackie]

Have your nail clipper. Oh, we're good.

[Erin]

No, in case I misplace it, like.

[Jackie]

I will be replacing you and you will misplace it.

[Erin]

No, but I'm saying Frida do better. For real.

[Jackie]

And they're also the ones that did the breast milk ice cream. And that was weird.

[Erin]

It was weird.

[Jackie]

At the time, I didn't think it was like, they did a collab with.

[Erin]

Like, Van Leeuwen or whatever making ice cream or.

[Jackie]

I don't know if it was ice cream. They like, it was a bunch of influencers.

[Erin]

Like, yeah, I was mad because they paid a bunch of influencers. I mean, they didn't pay me when I was actively breastfeeding. It's like, well, support mothers. Like, I have. The people that they worked with weren't even mom.

[Jackie]

Like, have nothing to do with, let.

[Erin]

Alone I'm here bleeding out, breastfeeding, and you can't even pay me. That's why I was upset.

[Jackie]

But when you think about it, like, why? What are we eating?

[Erin]

Eating breast milk. It's weird.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Erin]

Obviously everything in hindsight now, like, feels weird because it is.

[Jackie]

At the time, I think I maybe even report about and I Can imagine being like, oh, yeah, they're celebrating breastfeeding breast milk. But now, like, putting it all together paints a different picture. It's very yucky.

[Erin]

And there was, like, a boob on the container. Yeah. It's weird. I just think you can't be ever too sensitive around these things.

[Jackie]

No.

[Erin]

There's no such thing as being too cautious. You should have so many systems in place that nothing like this can ever happen.

[Jackie]

No. But this seems to be the point. This isn't like, oh, we fucked up.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

We didn't see it that way. Sorry. Like, this seems to be the intent.

[Erin]

Yeah. My pitchfork is out. Like, I'm being.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I'm being.

[Erin]

I want.

[Jackie]

I want heads to roll.

[Erin]

Yeah. No, I need people fired. And, like, I need names.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Which we never get. But I do need some change in leadership.

[Erin]

One thing about, like, a community to piss off. Like, you don't want to piss off the mamas.

[Jackie]

And not in this way. Like, this is the worst thing you.

[Erin]

Could do, especially given the current climate.

[Jackie]

And I feel like people like to act like Balenciaga has bounced back, but I know in my heart that it hasn't.

[Erin]

Only within celebrities. And, like, maybe, yes, over time, when all these celebrities are wearing it, like, I saw who. Oh, you know what I literally saw? Who was it? If someone's kid wearing a Balenciaga bag, I'm, like, yucky. Like a celebrity kid. I can't remember who it was. The celebrities are, like, back full force. And I know there has been, like, a change in designer, but, like, I don't feel like, ever, like, accountability was.

[Jackie]

No, there was no accountability. And the mamas don't forget.

[Erin]

No, the mamas don't forget. And so, like, this is really bad.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I'm really icked out. And I'll be looking for the products differently.

[Erin]

I know, silly.

[Jackie]

And I'll be thinking, yeah, the ones I already own.

[Erin]

I'm not like, yeah, because I. I won't suffer.

[Jackie]

I'm not giving them new money.

[Erin]

Like, me and my family won't suffer.

[Jackie]

No. But when the time comes to give new money, like, I am gonna look for another brand.

[Erin]

I'm gonna read the packaging.

[Jackie]

Oh, for sure.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I'm gonna be following this closely to hear any statement from free to self.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

We're not gonna let this go.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So messed up.

[Erin]

Before we dive into the remainder of the show, I'd like to let you guys all know that today's episode is brought to you by hers. So, Jackie, tell me if you've Ever had this experience where you leave a doctor's appointment, like you technically have results but you don't have like a real understanding, you don't know what to do next and you're basically like left guessing with what's going on with your body. I feel like this is a very relatable thing for mostly women. Like women's health is such a mystery. That's what you're just saying earlier in the week about how like, you know, advancements in women's health like moved the movement forward. Yes. So significantly.

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Erin]

Well, hers has rethought the outdated health care system to finally give women what they deserve. And I do feel like we also talk a lot about how like, healthcare is so outdated and that definitely disproportionately affects women because like so much of what goes on with women in the life cycle, of all the things that we go through is so mysterious.

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Erin]

Like we're just kind of mysteries in that way. No.

[Jackie]

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[Erin]

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[Jackie]

Yeah, it's just like deficient in this. What should I do?

[Erin]

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[Jackie]

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[Erin]

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[Jackie]

Thank you, Ters.

[Erin]

You're welcome, Jers.

[Jackie]

Our fifth she's back. Our fifth and final story. Olympian Breezy Johnson gets engaged after boyfriend proposes at the Olympics finish line. So yes, our bonkers Olympic news of the day. We have an Olympic engagement, which it's not an Olympics if someone doesn't get proposed to at the finish line.

[Erin]

No. And there's lots of controversy around this. People being like, he's stealing her money moment. And people are just insufferable because I feel like like the last Olympics, some girl proposed to her husband and like everybody was up in arms, rightfully so. And now like it's flipped. He's stealing her moment. She has said that if she ever got engaged, she wanted it to be when she won.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Erin]

And so he's just doing what she asked. Like, leave her alone.

[Jackie]

She said this is what she wanted. And it's also like, yeah, she won gold, but she doesn't know if her man's going to propose. So like you can't just like say do it here. Like you still have to play the game of like, is he or isn't He.

[Erin]

I mean, also, like, no wonder she won gold. Like, the potential of getting engaged, that will propel a woman forward.

[Jackie]

I agree. Do you think that you can get engaged if you won silver or bronze?

[Erin]

No, I really don't.

[Jackie]

I don't think you should.

[Erin]

Yeah. Like, you lost.

[Jackie]

No, you didn't.

[Erin]

And then there's also a Taylor Swift element here. She commented.

[Jackie]

She commented with some lyrics from the Alchemy.

[Erin]

Because that little proposal he gave her, like, this little thing that said, who are we to fight the Alchemy? Which is all about, like, being in love while also being an athlete. Who are we?

[Jackie]

Touchdown.

[Erin]

Got the amateurs and won the winning team. So, like, it was very. It was very. You know, it was very. It was athletic, like, you know, and so she commented, like, which is just as exciting as getting engaged, honestly.

[Jackie]

Maybe more. Yeah. Taylor's really loving the Olympics.

[Erin]

She's just a girl.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And she still has her peacock subscription from watching her mother.

[Erin]

What do you mean she's loving the Olympics?

[Jackie]

What else? She also made a video for the women for the Olympics Olympic team, like, saying, like, go get him. Okay. Goats. Goats. Get them.

[Erin]

Goats. Gonna go.

[Jackie]

She just made, like, a testimonial. It honestly looked like a cameo of her being, like, go, Team usa. You guys have worked so hard, you know?

[Michaela Niguera]

Sweet.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And now she's following this closely.

[Erin]

I love that she's literally just a girl. And, like, she doesn't go to work every day. I'm sure she. I'm sorry. She works every day, but she doesn't go to nine to five. So I imagine she does have, like, big chunks in her day to fill with time while she's, like, off tour. So.

[Jackie]

And I imagine the Olympics is like, you know, the Venn diagram of Taylor Travis. It's like the Olympics is in the middle of.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Watch together.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

In addition to Love is Blind, which, by the way, is, like, coming back. We have to watch.

[Erin]

Okay. I find Love is Blind. It's literally a factory now. Do you know what I mean? I could not name one person besides Sparkle Megan from the last season.

[Jackie]

Okay. But I just want you to know, Sparkle Meghan has given me more than anything has given in a while.

[Erin]

I Find Love is Blind.

[Jackie]

And it was worth it.

[Erin]

Factory. And, like, I'm so over it. But sometimes I'll start the season with everyone. And, like, of course, it turns out to be a season that no one's watching and, like, I'm recapping it and nobody cares. Then sometimes I'm like, you know what? I'M not doing it. And it's like the banger season, so I'm just gonna see. I don't see really anyone talking about.

[Jackie]

Can I say something that's gonna lead into our next subject, which is Traders. I feel that way about Traders. If we weren't watching it, like, we would be have. Everyone's talking about, you have to watch Traders. It's amazing. And I'm watching it last night, and I really. And I'm not. Not enjoying myself. But objectively, it's not very good.

[Erin]

So I agree with you today, and I think that last night was the first time I felt that way. Now spoilers will be watching it.

[Jackie]

I'm excited to recap it. But I was also watching it with Zach, who's only watched a couple episodes with me, so I sort of, like, sensitive to how he might be feeling about the show. And I'm, like, a little embarrassed because it's very stupid and not good.

[Erin]

Well, I have only felt that way starting last night. Up until last night, every episode I watched, I'm on the edge of my seat. Me and men talking about how this is the best show ever made. Like Michelangelo could never. And last night, Ben and I were watching, like, Larry half on our phones. It was such a bad episode, especially when they opened the episode. And I was just saying yesterday how, quite literally, Dorinda is the only person on the show I'm, like, even remotely familiar with, and I guess I'm rooting for her.

[Jackie]

And I. Last week, we were toggling between rooting for Dorinda or Steven.

[Erin]

No. And literally, the two remaining people on the show who I was remotely familiar with and, like, kind of liked are gone. We are left. And it's exactly what you said when we first started recapping the show is that it seems like anyone who. Who stands out, who has a personality, who goes for things is punished for that. That's exactly what happened. We are left with the six most unremarkable people. Sorry.

[Jackie]

And the herd. And the people who aren't really thinking critically, who are no threat to the traitors because they're so off the mark.

[Erin]

And now people are like, well, Kristen figured it out. There's no one left. There's, like, six people left. And apparently they don't even know how many traitors technically there are. So, like, her looking at Eric, it's like, well, it only took you 11 rounds.

[Jackie]

You have to. There's six people left. We all have to look at each other. And you're actually not looking at the One mastermind. The one.

[Erin]

It's really insane what Rob has done. Like, I know people are saying he's a villain, whatever. It is remarkable, the game he has played. Alan Cummings was on Watch Ravens live, and somebody asked, like, who's the best trader? He said, rob is the best player I've ever seen in the. In the entire game.

[Jackie]

I will. Now that I am, like, moved on from the last two episodes with Rena and Candace, and, like, I'm back to the game and just, like, watching. Watching the game and my feelings are no longer involved. Yes, I can agree that Rob is a great trader. I think the game is flawed in a number of ways. One, it rewards the least interesting, most boring, worst game players because they stick around because they are bad. And there needs to be a way for traders to not turn on traders because then you can be. You can turn on your trader immediately. You get a trade.

[Erin]

That's an easy way to win.

[Jackie]

It's an easy.

[Erin]

So crack the code. I don't think anybody's ever done that before. He definitely cracked some sort of code.

[Jackie]

Needs to be an incentive for the traders to win together. They ha. They should have to look out for one another because. Yeah, it was like he just threw them under the bus.

[Erin]

Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Erin]

I don't even know what to recap except. Was anyone else so confused by that challenge? Like, I was not following it at all.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Erin]

Some of the challenges are so confusing. Actually, a lot of them are. And when they explain the rules, I feel like you. When someone explains a game to you.

[Jackie]

You'Re just like, okay, yeah, they're not really for me. But you got less. Less physical challenges. Yes.

[Erin]

Yes. That box was giving me pit like I could never.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it's funny. Tara and Johnny's friendship was really put through the Winger this episode.

[Erin]

Not only that, when they, like, said their big reveal, like, first of all, you could hear a pin drop. Nobody cared. The fact that they kept it the secret this entire time was so, like, lame. Maybe it would have been a good idea if things had panned out differently. But them sharing that to an audience of three people, quite literally, who were not shocked and didn't care.

[Jackie]

No one just said, oh, so you're, like, years. Okay.

[Erin]

Yes. Rob was right. Like, them saying it now, to what benefit? I'm not sure. Except now that everyone knows that you're capable of keeping a big secret. Well.

[Jackie]

And they were able to save themselves for one more day, I do think.

[Erin]

Rob should save both of them because it Looks like they both might be traitors. Like, if. So if one of them gets out, it's like, well, Tara's fine because Johnny was not like.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Erin]

So they should work hard to keep them both. Who do you think that they killed at the end?

[Jackie]

Who did they have to choose between?

[Erin]

They had Kristen.

[Jackie]

Oh, I think Natalie. I think they find Rob.

[Erin]

Should have Kristen go. Because Kristen said if I get sent home, it was Eric. Yeah. So he's just like, his game plan has been working, which is throwing his.

[Jackie]

He did let Eric know that.

[Erin]

Oh, this was just the first time. Yeah, I know. So he's not gonna let.

[Jackie]

Right. So he's not doing the. Candace.

[Erin]

This was the first time, though, that I feel like something kind of Nobody noticed it, of course, but maybe they'll look back. The Rob thing with the double dagger, Natalie being like, you have to tell everyone. It was kind of a bad look for him. Like, I don't really understand why he kept it. And then being, like, forced to tell it from Natalie under distress, like, it's giving. Liar.

[Jackie]

But also, why did Natalie need him?

[Erin]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Jackie]

Maybe if they send home Natalie, they would look back at that, but they just think Natalie is a stronger player than she is and that she'll figure it out, which she won't.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But I guess out of the people who are still there, she's the biggest threat because she's the smartest.

[Erin]

I guess.

[Jackie]

So who's up for killing Natalie? Kristen Tarajani.

[Erin]

Natalie. Kristen Tarajani.

[Jackie]

Yeah. They're not going to kill Tarajiani.

[Erin]

They shouldn't. And that would be dumb.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Erin]

And I don't care about the others. If he wants to throw Eric under the bus, sure, get rid of Kristen.

[Jackie]

But I don't think, like, he already told Eric that. So they're not going to do it. I think they're going to kill Natalie.

[Erin]

But there's so much suspicion on Natalie. That's the other thing. Like, it's a good distraction. But there's no suspicion on Kristen.

[Jackie]

No.

[Erin]

But she said then it leads everyone to Eric. So that's a good. Another distraction. Kristen, like, let people keep splitting the vote over Natalie, Johnny and Tara.

[Jackie]

No, Natalie has pretty much gotten out, like, out from under the suspicion. Like, she was in the hot seat for a little bit with the antidote, but people seem to believe that she's not a traitor.

[Erin]

I loved Steven's speech, being like, you blew it. Like, you blew it.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Erin]

He literally told everyone, I'm a fucking Faithful. It was such bad evidence, too. And how does nobody to this day know how to spell his name? I understood, like, in the beginning, they were spelling Portia's name wrong. But, Kate, they spend everyone's name wrong.

[Jackie]

But why? When would they ever learn the spelling?

[Erin]

I don't know. Is somebody gonna tell them? No.

[Jackie]

I think that's, like, part of the game. It is funny.

[Erin]

There should be an award, like, an extra bonus money at the end if there was a contestant who spelled everyone's name right.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I love Steven. I think the show has been so good for him. I don't know what being in his personal life right now, but I hope him and Kristin get back together.

[Erin]

And the thing is, like, he is that guy. Guy. Yeah. He's been that guy since high school. He was such a.

[Jackie]

He's even better than that.

[Erin]

The show was so good for him. He was the only one who stood up for Ron. He played, like, an honorable game. He never threw anybody under the bus. He was always letting the girls get the shields and the girls go up the hill first. Like, this was a great. I'm sure he doesn't have a hard time, like, catching tail, but, like, spread him.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Erin]

He's such a cutie. And he's so. He's aging so beautifully.

[Jackie]

Yeah, he is handsome.

[Erin]

Handsome boy.

[Jackie]

No, they're all just, like, looking at each other, and they don't like feeling. You know, they feel like, oh, I don't feel like it's Johnny. I don't feel like it's her. I don't feel like it's Stephen or whatever.

[Erin]

No one has said the name Rob.

[Jackie]

Look at someone else.

[Erin]

What we're doing isn't working.

[Jackie]

And why doesn't anyone look at Mark?

[Erin]

We're Maura. Oh, and Mora's, like, such a stereotype. Like, she's so blinded by love. Like, they're all, like, nobody's thinking of Rob. It's definitely, like, a male privilege thing. Like, he's playing it really well, but also, like, he's a tough guy. He's gonna protect us. Maura's just like. Like, okay, Rob. Like, she's in love with him.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But she. She's also, like, he's also the only person who she knows she knew going into it. So that's like, Tara and Johnny would be, like, if one of them were a traitor.

[Erin]

And I wonder if one of them had been a traitor, what they would have done?

[Jackie]

That would have been interesting. They probably would have, like, had a mental breakdown, like, trying to keep it from their best friend. Yeah, but why doesn't anyone look at Mark? Like, why do they just assume Mark is a faithful?

[Erin]

And can I ask people who watch the previous seasons, is it always this, like, I feel like the climax is really in the beginning, like, finding out who the traitor. And with each episode, it gets less and less climactic. Is that just this season in particular, or is that just a thing with the show?

[Jackie]

And also, unless you are the traitor who wins, it's actually kind of embarrassing to win. To go all the way to.

[Erin]

You look so stupid. Even people who are smart. It's just a hard thing to figure out.

[Jackie]

No, it just means that, like, nobody found you threatening. Yeah. More interesting or interesting enough to eliminate earlier on.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Because if we have. If we get the faithfuls winning, and it's like, Mark. Sorry. Mark, Kristen, Maura and Natalie.

[Erin]

Okay. But I'm thinking of last year because I remember when they were on watch Happens Live, like, it was Dorinda, Zac Efron, and Gabby Wendy.

[Jackie]

Like, no, it wasn't. Dorinda got out night one.

[Erin]

Oh. Oh, sorry. Not to Dolores. Sorry.

[Jackie]

No, I don't think it was Dolores. I think was a traitor. It was Gabby Wendy.

[Erin]

Exactly.

[Jackie]

Nephron, Dylan, Lord Mountbatten.

[Erin]

Yeah, it was. You're right.

[Jackie]

And a fourth. I remember when we found out that four people won Traders.

[Erin]

We were like, what?

[Jackie]

Kind of.

[Erin]

But thank God, if we had to wait three more extra weeks.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I know. In her. Okay, let me see if it was Dolores.

[Erin]

Maybe not. I just remember her being on watch Driving's Live because she was on. Oh, no. She won. She won. Okay. Okay, Good for her. But they were all faithfuls.

[Jackie]

The last meaning trader was Brittany Haynes. They were all faithfuls. All faithful. Victory. Okay, I won't spoil any further seasons just in case I decide to watch.

[Erin]

Let's also talk about the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which was also kind of a dud of an episode. But the dichotomy of both dinners, like, was cracking me up. Like, that turn dinner. And Erica finding out, like, in real time, that she wasn't invited to the Hamptons. And they're, like, having this.

[Jackie]

They're clear. Why didn't Rachel only invite Kyle and Dorit? Because they needed a night out and she's trying to, like, get them back together. I guess I wanted it to be a big group trip.

[Erin]

No. Even if it wasn't, I understand her inviting to read, but, like, I don't really. She doesn't like Kyle. Like, I don't know why. She invited her. It looks like they're having the best time. Like, just Donna Karen. Like, it was so everything. And cutting to this, like, extremely weird dinner when they're all, like, manifesting in journals, and I didn't even know that other girl there. Like, it was so weird.

[Jackie]

It was. I want to say about that dinner, maybe I didn't watch as closely as I needed to, but I'm not really with Sutton. I kind of am feeling for Amanda in this one situation of, like, she didn't really bring up this. Like, Kyle drove that conversation with her about Dorit saying too much. Then she went to Kathy's house and recounted that conversation and said she didn't recount it.

[Erin]

She regurgitated it as her own thought. And that's why Sutton told Dorit she never said I. She didn't say that's what Kyle said. Okay, don't you guys feel like this is bad for her marriage and son's like, who the are you? I'm actually so team Sucker Sutton.

[Jackie]

Okay. I just feel like when Amanda said, like, you're teaching me how to clean up this mess that you made, I'm like, yeah, well, that's the show. Sorry, show a little bit, but it just made me feel like, oh, this is a little stupid. Like, it is. I'm gonna tell someone what you said, and I'm going to also tell you how to fix it. It's like, what if you just never told them what I said? Because I just, like, was sharing an innocent thought with you.

[Erin]

In the real world, yes, but in.

[Jackie]

Housewives world, like, but in Housewives, we need something a little more thick than that.

[Erin]

Yeah. I can't stand Amanda. Like, I just hate.

[Jackie]

And I'm not saying that I love her or anything, but in that moment, I'm like, this is, like, pretty stupid what we're talking about.

[Erin]

Yeah, but.

[Jackie]

And that she's gonna be taken to task and that she. Nobody can move on unless she's, like, cops to it. The cops to it. Saying something that everybody else has said. And as a viewer, like, I am feeling a little bit. It's a little like. And I love Dorit so much, but I'm worried. Just like Kyle said. Like, I'm worried that she's saying too much. This isn't good to say on national television when you're in the middle of, like, active, tense negotiations.

[Erin]

I think they really want you to, like, suspend disbelief and just, like, imagine this is, like, a normal group of friends and this random new girl who's, like, rubbing people A bad way. Saying it as like her own thought. Like, yeah, she can go back and forth with Kyle. Kyle has earned a right to comment. This random girl who she's actually at that point had met twice, has no right to make any sort of commentary whether she thinks she's being helpful or not. I just also can't stand her.

[Jackie]

No, I know.

[Erin]

Also, let's talk about the Mauricio dinner, which was really weird. Like, any hopes for them to having an affair is out the window. I don't know. It's just like frustrating when someone's saying a and someone's saying b. Like, which one is it?

[Jackie]

Yeah, like, was their term sent or not?

[Erin]

Did you get a Google spreadsheet?

[Jackie]

The sort of friend that Mauricio is to PK is the sort of friend that Kyle needs. Supposed to be being towards Dorit.

[Erin]

Kyle and her confessionals is so nasty about, like, I. She acts like a. She doesn't act great in front of Dorit, but her confessionals are so nasty. Like, so quippy for no reason.

[Jackie]

Yeah, because she's holding her tongue in front of Dorit because she's been told that that's what she should do, that she shouldn't express.

[Erin]

God forbid she's supportive. She can't be supportive, so she has.

[Jackie]

To be quiet because in her heart she's not supportive. And I don't. I don't care what Mauricio says, what PK says, what Kyle says is true. Like, I just know what's going on and that it's. Dorit is holding everything together and PK is out globetrotting and then comes home and says at 3am I want to see the kids. And she's like, you can't see the kids. And then he's like, says, she won't let me see my kids. And it's like they're sleeping.

[Erin]

No, I know that Kyle and Mauricio are like, claim they have proof that negates everything she says. But I believe Dorit.

[Jackie]

No, I just know she's home with the kids.

[Erin]

She has the stories about her dad. Like, she's the one who says, I've noticed a change in Jagger. Like, I'm sorry, I just believe Dorit.

[Jackie]

No, she's the one, like, keeping them on their schedule.

[Erin]

And the fact that Kyle, who's also going through a divorce of her own and just as like, a woman who's been around other women who have gone through divorces, the fact that her first instinct isn't to defend, to read sometimes. Like, maybe she. Her first instinct would be to believe, to read. And then she starts hearing things and maybe she starts adding no from the get go last season. She just does not believe Dorit.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I've seen people speculate that, like, you know, this is sort of keeping her in mo tight. Tight. And, like, her being on his side might help favor in his eyes. Also, I think even at the Hamptons thing, when they're like, we're all divorced, and she's like, I'm separated.

[Erin]

Like, she refuses.

[Jackie]

I think she's just still holding on and she doesn't want to be in this, like, basket of divorce scorned women with dorit. And so she's like, no, I'm over here. Everything's copacetic. Dorit, you're wrong.

[Erin]

No. So true. Loving Rachel Zoe. Like, can't say I have to say that every recap.

[Jackie]

Loving.

[Erin]

Whose house was that in the Hamptons? Not hers. I thought it was hers. Just interesting. Like, even her packing, Like, I just. Everything about her is fascinating.

[Jackie]

No, just, like, watching her. She's like, just her hair.

[Erin]

Yep.

[Jackie]

It's so shiny.

[Erin]

Her and her sister look exactly like.

[Jackie]

Oh, I didn't see her sister. That was her sister. Yeah.

[Erin]

They're at the friend's house. And then the sister was there waiting for them. The blonde one.

[Jackie]

God, I must have missed this.

[Erin]

Pamela. Or maybe that was the friend.

[Jackie]

I must have looked down.

[Erin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, like, a boring episode. Erica's commentary was cracking me up, and I just.

[Jackie]

I can't keep, like, going over this point about the Amanda and who said it and, like, just drop it and move on and let's find something new to argue about. Agreed.

[Erin]

We'll find something quickly because it's just.

[Jackie]

Not that, like, it's not that. It's not big enough to be multiple episodes.

[Erin]

The trailer that we got was for.

[Jackie]

The remainder, fighting to reverse everyone.

[Erin]

And I feel like that's gonna make Kyle feel, like, so vindicated, but, like, Kyle's so wrong.

[Jackie]

Well, Dorit, like, is in a bad spot. Like, she has so much going on that she can't help but make every conversation about herself. She can't help but relate everything back to herself because, like, that's what's going on. Like, how can she be any other way? I imagine it's exhausting as her friend at a certain point, but, like, that's what. Is she gonna show up and pretend like she didn't just have the worst fudgeing day?

[Erin]

The walking away with the cigarette in the corset. Oh, the Italy Trip looks good. They like a good trip.

[Jackie]

I feel like Rachel and Bose will continue to have Dorit's back, but I did not like what appeared to be Dorit and Erica fighting.

[Erin]

Well, that's sort of been like, an undercurrent. Is that Erica A is a real moral compass. Like, she's not super involved anymore, but she gives it to everyone straight. And she, like, refuses to hold Kyle accountable in the least, but she's so excited to do it for everyone else. It's, like, annoying. If you're gonna be, like, an impartial moral compass, you got to come for everyone, and she doesn't.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Erin]

Let's do Queenie of the weenie to wrap up the week. Okay, Queenie and Weenie is our final segment of the week where Jackie and I give out two awards. Queenie of the week and weenie of the week. Don't take it personally. If you acted like a queenie this week, you might be queen of the week. And if you act like we need of the week, you might be a weenie this week. Week side of the deal, seven day title. You could be queenie one week, and we need the next. You know how it goes. Who. What do you want to do first?

[Jackie]

Queenie. We always start with the positive.

[Erin]

Okay.

[Jackie]

My Queenie is Utah.

[Erin]

My Queenie is also Utah. I wrote junta, but I meant Utah. Agreed.

[Jackie]

Genta is how you spell it. Judah.

[Erin]

No, I wrote J, U, N, T, A. Oh. In case you're looking at mine thinking like, I copied you.

[Jackie]

No, junta means Utah.

[Erin]

Yes, exactly.

[Jackie]

One gold. She can finally, you know, celebrate that. Move. Get married, Jake. Get married. Have babies. Like, I'm so, so happy for all her hard work that we watched on Paul American.

[Erin]

Very full circle for us too.

[Jackie]

Very full circle for the viewers. Like, it was just amazing.

[Erin]

Happy for the Dutch, then the underthals.

[Jackie]

Yes, me as well.

[Erin]

My weenie of the week is Olympics coded as well. And it brings me to a story I've been dying to tell you.

[Jackie]

Oh, okay. Okay. Why didn't you add it to our bonkers Olympic news segment?

[Erin]

Because I had already had it for my weenie.

[Jackie]

Oh, were you nervous every time I brought up the Olympics?

[Erin]

No, I know. You have no idea what I'm about to say, because my weenie of the week is a French woman named Jezebel Dubois. Do you know her?

[Jackie]

No, but I love for that name.

[Erin]

So I'm sure you know Chuck and Bates, the figure skating duo, man and woman. Like, like, really the leading figure skaters for America. They're A married couple there. She is gorgeous. He is super cute. They're like kind of the it couple this year. And it was just a matter of time before they won. And a couple of nights ago, it was their final dance, and they came in second to a clearly subpar couple from France. Now, okay, people, you know, it's sports. Very sad. Some people win, some people lose. But there is, like, a bit of a scandal going on, thanks to a woman named Jezebel Dubois. Now, how it works in figure skating is there's a delegation from each country that gives a score for each competitor. So I think there was, like, eight countries competing. Us, France, Italy, all of them. And each of the judges was from each country. Now, it should be. I now have a problem with the scoring because from your country, you shouldn't be able to vote. Whatever. But Jezebel Dubois of France gave the Americans such a low score. Eight points lower than the French couple and much lower than all the other judges. Like, for the most part, all the other judges, like, a couple of points max.

[Jackie]

4.

[Erin]

Theirs was 8 points lower because she cheated. Like, it's. First of all, it's such a flawed system. I didn't even realize that's how people were voting. Like, you shouldn't be able to give a score to your own delegation. She gave them eight points higher. It's like everyone has a vested interest, so people are gonna be shady. They came in second when they clear, like, the other. The French team, like, was up. Like, they were not the winner at all. Then there's also drama with the man. He's, like, has some, like, allegations. Like, just bad Jezebel Dubois. Like, if the Olympics don't have integrity, nobody does. Like, it's supposed to.

[Jackie]

I didn't realize they were so subjective.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I realized that they were to some degree subjective, like, for the judging of, like, skating and gymnastics.

[Erin]

But it's more. It is.

[Jackie]

It's not like you scored a point.

[Erin]

Yeah, right.

[Jackie]

But that they could be, like, so willy nilly Jezebel Dubois.

[Erin]

Say her name.

[Jackie]

I would love to say that name. Jezebel Dubois.

[Erin]

Of course her name is Jezebel.

[Jackie]

What a Dubois. Acting like true to her namesake, Allison Dubois.

[Erin]

Of course, your figure skater will. Will never emotionally fulfill you.

[Jackie]

Jezebel Dubois.

[Erin]

Who's your weenie?

[Jackie]

My weenie? I, I, I'm remiss to name them Weenie. I fear they might like it too much. Is Frida Baby.

[Erin]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Frida Baby is the weenie of the week.

[Erin]

That's beautiful. That's our show. You guys, thank you so much for listening to the Toast Millennial Morning show where you deliver the fast five stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as podcast anywhere podcast can be found so it's Spotify since Republic Radio cast folks all the places we listen to podcast, meditator to Toasty via five star Voda, beautiful sonic thing and wickedly talented. We are programming reminder there is no show Monday. We are off for President's Day. So hope everybody enjoys a long weekend if you have it off and we will see you on Tuesday.

[Jackie]

Love Love ya. Bye.