As Ever, With Love, Orchard: Tuesday, February 18th, 2025

Summary

The Toast Podcast: "As Ever, With Love, Orchard" – Tuesday, February 18th, 2025

Hosted by Jackie and Claudia Oshry

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1. Welcome and Behind the Scenes ([00:02] – [02:58])

Jackie and Claudia kick off the episode with their usual banter, discussing the lingering effects of a recent bank holiday that made Tuesday feel like a Monday. Jackie shares her extended stay in Florida due to the physical toll of a five-day Moroccan-Syrian wedding, highlighting the challenges of traveling while pregnant. Claudia humorously remarks on the abundance of podcast studios in Southern Florida, hinting at their continual search for the perfect recording environment.

Notable Quote:

Jackie ([01:31]): "And we're also testing out all the different podcast studios Southern Florida has to offer today."

2. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and AI-Generated News ([03:00] – [08:07])

The hosts delve into recent AI-generated news related to the "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills." They express concern over misinformation, particularly an AI story falsely claiming that Harry Hamlin engaged in inappropriate behavior. Jackie criticizes the term "mental breakdown" used by Kyle Richards, finding it delegitimizing and unserious for such a significant condition.

Notable Quote:

Claudia ([02:29]): "Let's honest, name a phrase I dislike more than menti B."

3. Moroccan-Syrian Wedding Experience ([04:00] – [08:47])

Jackie recounts her experience attending a multicultural wedding in Florida, emphasizing the blend of Moroccan and Syrian traditions. She humorously compares the event to "My Big Fat Greek Wedding," noting the groom's minor Moroccan heritage and the family's humorous attempts to embrace it. The discussion shifts to the physical demands of pregnancy, with Jackie highlighting her struggle to find seats at gatherings despite her modest baby bump.

Notable Quote:

Jackie ([05:09]): "Her family's so funn wedding was just par. Like, you know, when you meet, like, you know, someone, like..."

4. SNL50 Anniversary Celebration ([20:18] – [31:05])

Skipping the advertisement segments, Jackie and Claudia shift their focus to the recent 50th-anniversary celebration of "Saturday Night Live" (SNL50). They critique the event, feeling it lacked the cultural impact and iconic moments of past seasons. The hosts mention notable attendees like Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively, discussing their participation in sketches and the overall reception of the event. Jackie remarks on the diminishing influence of SNL compared to its legendary status in shaping American comedy and culture.

Notable Quote:

Jackie ([22:25]): "Like Wayne's World. Like superstar."

5. White Lotus Season Recap ([53:03] – [70:51])

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Jackie and Claudia review the latest season of "White Lotus," expressing mixed feelings about its direction and character development. Jackie admits to not enjoying the first episode, questioning changes in the theme song and overall execution. They discuss Patrick Schwarzenegger's role and his controversial comments about landing his part in the series. The hosts critique the show's ability to maintain its iconic status, comparing it unfavorably to previous seasons that led to blockbuster movies like "Wayne's World."

Notable Quote:

Claudia ([60:02]): "It just sounds like I'm being like. You're like, I'm calling him gay."

6. Dear Toasters Advice Segment ([70:00] – [83:20])

In their weekly advice segment, "Dear Toasters," Jackie and Claudia address listeners' inquiries:

• Listener 1: A nursing mom feels uncomfortable and violated when a friend unexpectedly nurses her baby without permission.

  Response: Jackie and Claudia empathize, emphasizing the importance of personal boundaries and communication. They suggest confronting the friend and reassessing the friendship's value.

  Notable Quote:

  Claudia ([72:08]): "She makes good choices. Like, it's about the act of doing it."

• Listener 2: Concerned about her husband's best friend running a snark page that criticizes influencers, potentially affecting their relationship.

  Response: The hosts advise direct communication, recommending that the listener inform her husband's girlfriend about the snark page to address the issue transparently.

  Notable Quote:

  Jackie ([77:21]): "You have to really put myself in this situation. Imagine like a friend."

• Listener 3: Recently came out as lesbian and is distressed that her ex-boyfriend discusses their past relationship on his sports-focused podcast without her consent.

  Response: Jackie and Claudia encourage the listener to let go of the negative emotions and focus on her new relationship, advising against engaging with the ex's podcast.

  Notable Quote:

  Claudia ([82:04]): "Just let go of it. Move on from it."

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Conclusion

Jackie and Claudia conclude the episode by reiterating the value of their listener interactions and providing information on how others can submit questions for future advice segments. They hint at upcoming discussions and encourage listeners to subscribe for more engaging content.

Notable Quote:

Jackie ([83:19]): "We are podcasting founds on Spotify, itunes, Stitcher public radio, I box all the places where we listen to podcast."

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Final Thoughts:

In "As Ever, With Love, Orchard," Jackie and Claudia tackle a blend of personal anecdotes, pop culture critiques, and heartfelt advice, maintaining their signature conversational and humorous style. From dissecting the evolution of long-standing TV shows to navigating the complexities of friendships and relationships, the episode offers listeners a comprehensive look into the hosts' perspectives on contemporary issues.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, millennials, and welcome back to the toast. Happy Tuesday. That feels like a Monday. Because yesterday was a bank holiday that we, of course, observed in the most honorable and respectful of ways. Thank you to all the presidents. Whoever, you know, served, did their thing, and it's Tuesday. It feels like a Monday. It's the beginning of a new week, beginning of a party week where Jackie and I. Well, first of all. Hey, Jax, how are you?

[B]

Hey, Turtle.

[A]

Oo.

[B]

I'm good, thank you. Yes, I am here. Things, plans changed as they often do around these parts.

[A]

We let the chips fall where they may. And I am still in Florida now. I was supposed to be back after the wedding today, back in studio, back to our beloved frames. Yeah, and of course I'm not. And I know there's like a running joke, like every time Ty comes to Florida, she ends up, like, extending. I really was not planning on it. I really was not planning on.

[B]

She said up, down, left, right, center. Like, I'm not coming to see you. Like I'm not doing.

[A]

Don't count on me.

[B]

Yeah, no, I'm. I'm seriously, like, not coming. So we planned accordingly. And lo and behold, the thing is.

[A]

I really wasn't expecting the physical implications of a five day Moroccan wedding to hit me so hard. You know, as a pregnant person, the idea of waking up after the wedding and going on a plane, it was just kind of unfathomable. And I'm like, what am I going home for? You know, besides for Romeo? I don't really have much waiting for me back in New York, so I figured I would spend a couple of days here at the beach, extended with Ben. We're staying at a hotel, we're not staying at Jackie's. So it's still very much like vacation energy. But we've met in the middle. We're also testing out all the different podcast studios Southern Florida has to offer today. There are a lot, by the way, so many options you'd love to see the business of podcasting.

[B]

Boom, boom. Business is booming.

[A]

I like to think that's our influence.

[B]

But we're happy to be here in a new setup. A great American tour of podcast.

[A]

Sitting across from a desk from, you.

[B]

Know, it's very intense.

[A]

It's giving News desk the morning breath.

[B]

It is giving.

[A]

I also love having the lower half of my body behind a desk. Like what the lower half of my body looks like these days is of really no interest to me or anyone.

[B]

Yeah, no, you definitely dress differently for this environment.

[A]

Yes, yes.

[B]

Every podcast studio, podcast Studios are more personal than comedy.

[A]

I know.

[B]

More personal than food.

[A]

This particular podcast studio has a lot of natural light, which I'm feeling a little nervous about just because I'm not in a state where like I'm loving how I look naturally. So I am wearing sunglasses. If you're watching on YouTube, you're like, why is this girl wearing sunglasses? I'm just, I'm feeling a little self conscious. I also like, I'm doing a slick back button. Like, who the do I think I am?

[B]

We're a little nervy.

[A]

We're were giving like nervous curlies.

[B]

Nervy. Menti B.

[A]

Honestly, name a phrase I dislike more than menti B.

[B]

When I was watching Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Kyle Richards said that she had had a menti B and she did have a mental breakdown.

[A]

Did she say I had a mental breakdown or had a quote? Mtb.

[B]

Mtb.

[A]

But then now that I'm saying it, I'm like, is it an acronym?

[B]

Menti B? She said she had.

[A]

And this is like a 55 year.

[B]

Old woman invalidated everything that she'd been.

[A]

Through up until this point.

[B]

Yeah, like that is such an unserious term.

[A]

Agreed. For such a serious condition.

[B]

It's really true. I don't know how they got away with that.

[A]

Wow. And it just like delegitimizes in my eyes, like everything. Wait, speaking of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, I saw, I don't know, you know, I get a lot of like, AI generated Bravo news. So I saw, I think it was Kathy Griffin, who's friends with Lisa and Harry Hamlin, said that when they were in Amsterdam. And you know, we don't want to talk about the husband. And everybody's like, well, what was Kim gonna say about Harry Hamlin? Apparently this AI generated news story said that Harry Hamlin. This is from the mouth of Kathy Griffin, that they. That Kim Richards was going to say something about Harry Hamlin having sex with dogs.

[B]

Hmm. Not what I expected.

[A]

Of course not.

[B]

She should have just said it.

[A]

And now we've said the fact that.

[B]

Like Lisa didn't let her say that.

[A]

To make right it would have invalidated a thousand percent.

[B]

Huh huh.

[A]

So we have a par show today. Actually it's Tuesday, which means we have Dear Toasters, our advice segment. We also have White Lotus recaps. So the new season of White Lotus started on Sunday. Jackie and I both watched the first episode last night, unfortunately.

[B]

We did. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And I didn't enjoy the episode and I wasn't sure if it Was because before, I wasn't sure if it was because, like, before the episode even started, I was disappointed. Where was the song?

[B]

I know they kind of remixed it.

[A]

Totally new song.

[B]

They put a little regional flair on it, I thought.

[A]

Okay. But the last two seasons were in different parts of the world, Italy and America. And they both have the same theme song.

[B]

I just think they are trying something new.

[A]

So we'll do a little bit of a TV recap in the fifth and final story. Is that correct?

[B]

Yes, we will.

[A]

Let me just tell you, I spent the weekend at this beautiful, I would say, part delicious definitions wedding, which I don't know if I mentioned, was my friend Alicia, who's Moroccan, of course. And actually the groom was Syrian.

[B]

I was on the cusp of forgetting.

[A]

Right.

[B]

For reminding me.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, and the groom is serious.

[A]

Yeah. So it's very kind of, like, multicultural. And it was reminding me a lot of my Big Fat Greek wedding. Because my friend Alicia, she has this huge family and they're, like, really Moroccan. Both of her parents are Moroccan and they're so proud. And they really remind me a lot of the family from my Big Fat Greek wedding. And how, like, Alicia married someone who wasn't Moroccan but, like, in his 23.

[B]

Miller.

[A]

But she did marry an eon Miller because her husband has, like, a very small strain of Moroccan in his blood. And like, the whole weekend, different speeches, they were all just sort of like, clinging to his little piece of Moroccan. I didn't know he had, like, a little bit of Moroccan in himself. It was cracking me up so much. Her family's so funn wedding was just par. Like, you know, when you meet, like, you know, someone, like, for. I've known her since I'm in the eighth grade. Like, to me, she's always just like my friend from the eighth grade. But you see her, like, you know, grown into a woman and a bride woman. She had a chignon. Like, she looked.

[B]

So she's a woman, elegant lady, but she's just Alicia from eighth grade.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. It was kind of, like, confusing. It was really par. And it was just fab. But I really wasn't expecting. I feel like. I feel like I hit an inflection point in my pregnancy, like, at the same time as the wedding where, like, things are harder for me. As of, like, a week ago, I really can't stand much. Just like, a fun fact about me.

[B]

Well, you should sit more.

[A]

That's what I've been saying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, just in general, but specifically hard.

[B]

For you to find a seat.

[A]

Okay. Actually, I. I thanked Ben, like, after the wedding, because there were so many wedding festivities, and once we got to every place, I'm like, ben, I will go say hi to the bride. Go find a seat. The idea of being without a seat and someone, like. And so many of the girls there were pregnant, and they're, like, more visibly pregnant than me. So when you have, like, a really round bump, like, people get up. Right. I wear a lot of flowy clothes. My bump isn't, like, super bulbous. And so I'm not the type of gal you just get up for. So I find myself, like, rubbing my.

[B]

Rubbing my tummy outside of pregnancy. Like, you're the kind of gal one gets up for, like, oh, wow.

[A]

Thank you, Gupta. The queen is coming, Right? And I thought you were gonna say outside of pregnancy. I'm the type of girl who, like, a skill set of mine is finding a seat.

[B]

That too. But I just feel like if we're in a group, like, even if we're in a group of friends and there's one chair and none of us are pregnant, like, it's for Claudia.

[A]

I'm so glad you said that. I actually agree. I am a sitter. Like, and I'm also really special in the sense that I can find a chair anywhere. Like, yesterday, we were waiting for our car at valet at the hotel, and I literally sat on a luggage cart. Anything can be a chair if you really, really try hard enough.

[B]

Yeah. So as long as you're finding what you need, you should be okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I know you just missed me so much, and you just weren't ready to part with me.

[A]

Well, you threw a beautiful birthday party for your son yesterday, and I was really thrilled to be able to attend.

[B]

I wasn't going to so many times you weren't coming.

[A]

So it's so crazy to me. Like, your are my life. And, like, every time they, like, fart, we come down and we celebrate.

[B]

Right. So I would, like. I threw a birthday party, but I was being selfish.

[A]

I said, listen, yeah.

[B]

No, no, no. And I. I was like, okay, yeah, you can't come to, like, every single party. It's a kids party, whatever. But just due to all the different circumstances, like, everyone wound up coming to this party, and it was already such, like, a party event. Like, really fun. I love a kids party. And then my family was there, and it was so beautiful.

[A]

You did a really nice job. Like, them kids, they were just having the time of their life on their rocket ship.

[B]

They were Literally playing in all the blow up stuff. And they, as they were breaking, like.

[A]

The re company was breaking down the bouncy house and the kids were like, nope, we're still here.

[B]

Okay, we'll go to the next one. Yeah, you go and break that.

[A]

They were so, so cute. It was a great party. You throw a great kids party.

[B]

Thank you. I really enjoy doing it. I do hire a party planner because I can take that on and I make it as easy as possible for myself. And I would recommend doing so because it was just. I had so much fun. It was space themed. Zach and I wore, like NASA jackets. We were all, like, dressed like a little space family.

[A]

I also feel like it's definitely a fine line between like, throwing a party that's like, fun and then extravagant.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

$60,000. Of course.

[B]

You don't want to be Taylor Armstrong.

[A]

Correct. It comes to mind. And I feel like you do it really perfectly where it's definitely, like, extravagant, but it's all for the kids. There's like a coffee bar for the adults. And it's like a super nice party. But it's like, nice because there's so many fucking activities for the kids. You know, there's not like gift bags with Chanel perfume.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You really do it well. It's a fine line.

[B]

Yeah. And it's just like a couple of things, like a ball pit, a bouncy house, like the regular stuff. And they'll have fun. Not to put mark washer and blast, but I had a coffee car. And like, the whole theme of the party was like outer space. So the coffee cart had a sign that said space coffee.

[A]

Like, just to be, like a part of the party. Like, it wasn't like. It was just like, thematic.

[B]

And Margo is like, what's space coffee?

[A]

It's giving, like chicken of the sea.

[B]

I'm like, it's just coffee. Space birthday party.

[A]

Right. It's just like. It's just a theme that's, like, really embarrassing for Satch.

[B]

So funny.

[A]

No, it was so nice to all be together, like, so randomly on this one afternoon.

[B]

The photographer was like, let me get a picture of the sisters. Like, oh, my God, are we all here? All present and accounted for.

[A]

It's seriously crazy of us.

[B]

It was so random.

[A]

It was so nice.

[B]

It was so nice. It was so, so nice. It was a really nice weekend and we got to spend the day together after we worked really hard on Friday.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Guys, what did you think? Friday's episode, we had a special new studio. We were really just kind of banging out content clips. What did you think? And tomorrow we'll find out what you thought of this one.

[B]

Exactly. We celebrated game tunes with so much love and tunage.

[A]

Did you celebrate game tunes?

[B]

I did not celebrate game tunes in an official capacity.

[A]

No, me neither. And at what time of day did your husband wish you happy game tunes?

[B]

So I clocked it because I could tell he had no idea. And then when we were all by the pool, I was like, do you have anything to say to me? And he was like, you look pretty. Happy anniversary. And then he realized and it was 2:37pm I clocked at the time that he remembered it was Valentine's Day after being prompted.

[A]

Could be worse.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, could be better. Listen, he dropped the ball on Valentine on game tunes.

[A]

Did you get flowers?

[B]

I got flowers in the evening. Like, I don't know where he, like.

[A]

They picked up the remaining roses from the floor of the florist shop. Was clearly sold out.

[B]

Had already thrown hers away and he got them out of the bin. But yesterday was our anniversary and so he really made up for with cards and he got me the most beautiful flower arrangement.

[A]

Oh, that's nice.

[B]

So it was nice yesterday to have the party and then it also be like a celebration of our anniversary and just a nice moment. This week is always, you know, our big. But we still haven't gone out for our dinner.

[A]

I'll say you have a bunch of like important events in your life, like all in the same week.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Valentine's Day, Harry's birthday, your wedding anniversary. Do you like that?

[B]

I do because it's always just like a really nice special week and I look forward to this time of year. Plus it's around like President's Day, so sometimes we'll do a staycation, do a little something. I really, I do like it because I'm sure it'd also be nice if it was all spread out. But we have other stuff, you know.

[A]

I don't want to be like an ingrate.

[B]

You don't like your timing?

[A]

Well, you know what I was just thinking about? Mother's Day is like, I think my first Mother's Day. God willing. God willing, Bro Hashem Leon Hara will be when my kid is 1 years old. Like, or like 11 months, whatever it is, I think I just miss it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I have to like wait a whole ass year to be appreciated.

[B]

Oh, but you'll be having Father's Day.

[A]

Probably the next month.

[B]

That ain't right.

[A]

Not to sound like Matt of Matt and Abby. But I do feel like we should Skip Father's Day 2024. It's only right.

[B]

I completely.

[A]

A month after. God willing. God willing. God willing. Like, I go through the trauma of labor.

[B]

No, I.

[A]

You get celebrated.

[B]

I just want you to know. God willing. God willing.

[A]

God willing. God willing. God willing.

[B]

I am not texting Ben that day.

[A]

Good.

[B]

I am not. You better not get a. I'm so sorry, Ben, but, like, this has to be.

[A]

It has to be this way.

[B]

It has to be like a calendar year. And you don't. You do not get him a card. I could just see you be like, he's been so amazing.

[A]

He probably will be like, I should get him a gift. O. I totally will. Also speak of Matt Nabi. Have you heard about their latest scandal?

[B]

No. What are they up to? Those crazy kids?

[A]

So they released a podcast episode and I just want to say they have, like, a lot going on, but we don't talk enough about how high quality their content is. Like, yeah, even his, like, cringe music videos. I don't know what sort of equipment he's using. If they have, like, a director of cinematography that works for them, everything they put out.

[B]

A director of cinematography.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. Everything they put out is so party. And so he put up this clip.

[B]

And I should reach out to them.

[A]

They live in Phoenix. So, like, I don't know if we'd be able to work with this person.

[B]

No, but just, like, to understand their, like, workflow. Yeah, no, not for their person, but just for their workflow. Like, how do you keep the content consistent in part.

[A]

I just think you have to be crazy. So he put up this podcast clip. And I know that it wasn't the point of the podcast clip, but I was thinking, like, how high quality and well made this this clip was. It was kind of felt like there was a camera on the ceiling and he's laying on a mattress on the floor in his closet and he opens up with everybody that he has been sleeping in the closet. And that's not a metaphor. I'm sorry. It sounded like it was. He brought them. The crazy part is that so him and Abby aren't sleeping in the same bed, which by the way, is like, whatever. But instead of sleeping in the guest room, he took the mattress from the guest room and put it in the closet. Because the clip was very much like a teaser for the podcast episode, which I did not listen to in full. And every person, like I talk to about this in comment section, I read nobody Actually listened. Nobody knows why. They're just like, why are you sharing this? And why didn't you just sleep in the guest room?

[B]

Well, I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason, as there always is, as there always is with Matt and Abby. But they're like, rage bait, clickbaiters, and they want you to listen to the podcast. And I'm not gonna give into it. I'm not gonna be like, oh, my God, he's so crazy. Like, I'm sure there's a perfectly logical in Matt's brain reason.

[A]

Right. There's like, a mouse in the guest room.

[B]

Yeah. Or like, there's a mouse in the closet and he's, like, trying to trap it.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Just like, something so Matte.

[A]

So, Matt, are you more of a Matt or an Abby? You are such an Abby.

[B]

I am an Abby.

[A]

Because if you are an Abby, I know the thing. And that's why we're too successful podcasting. You can either be a Matt or an Abby. You're totally an Abbey. Because, like, and I think this is the. The lore on the Internet, it's like, Abby does so much. She's like a really, really invested mom and businesswoman, and she's like a fitness. Like, she's like. She's one of those people where it's like, how does she have enough time in the day to be doing all of this? And then it just seems like Matt's in the closet working on his music.

[B]

Which is so me, which is so you.

[A]

And I can't stress enough how he's physically in a closet. It's not, like, a gay thing. It sounds like he's in the. No, no, he's literally in the closet.

[B]

Yeah, he's in the closet.

[A]

As in a physical space.

[B]

I understand.

[A]

Not a place.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It just sounds like I'm being like. You're like, I'm calling him gay. Yeah, I'm not.

[B]

No, it's just the closet.

[A]

Right. The closet is also a physical place in addition to figurative 1. A mental place as well.

[B]

I understand. Well, I think that's enough.

[A]

Matt and Abbey.

[B]

Good speed. To Matt and Abbey. Good luck.

[A]

I hope you speed.

[B]

Good Godspeed.

[A]

Also good speed.

[B]

I hope you catch that mouse.

[A]

Tri raid.

[B]

Tri raid. And I think, without further ado, to. Do you think time? Yeah, I think so. We've got a lot to talk about. We've got a lot to do today. White Lotus Deer toasters.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Dear toasters, Dear Tysons, you're being, like, really slow. Give me your time.

[B]

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[A]

Very much the mat. And so I am loving an app. I love a website. Jax is a little bit slower, lifestyle wise. She likes to talk to her agent on the phone, maybe even in person.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Thank you, Turt.

[A]

You had a welcome.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Our first story, SNL50 went off this weekend. If you were looking for the celebrities, they were all at SNL 50 except for Turdi.

[A]

She was at a wedding that was both Moroccan and Syrian, of course, but.

[B]

But the Syrian had, like, also Moroccan in him as well.

[A]

Correct? Correct. Very Mueller.

[B]

So I would say it was like. Would you say 60, 40. Moroccan to Syrian in terms of the guests, in terms of the.

[A]

The vibes?

[B]

Just like, in terms of the lineage of the couple? Because he has a little bit of Moroccan.

[A]

No, I would say it was like 90 10.

[B]

Oh, he has 40% Moroccan.

[A]

Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah. 60, 40.

[B]

60, 40 feels right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cool, cool.

[A]

So everyone else was at snow 5,000, 149. Like, that's how it was. He's just like, a little bit of Moroccan.

[B]

Everyone else was at Snell 50. They really made the most of this moment. I don't know who decided, like, hey, let's have, like, the biggest deal moment for our 50th anniversary.

[A]

I remember SNL 40, and it was also a really big deal.

[B]

I agree, but not like this.

[A]

No, not like this. But maybe I just wasn't super socially conscious at SNL 40. I was 20 years old. I probably had better things to do.

[B]

I feel like I remember SNL 45, and that was just like a. Hey, we're 45.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think 45 should be, like, as big as 50 or 40.

[B]

But everyone really has, like, a really big 50th birthday. So, like, all the celebrities who have ever hosted us now, like, everyone was there in the audience. They had a three hour live show. They also had, like, another thing the night before.

[A]

Yeah, I thought that was the thing.

[B]

And my, like, Miley performed.

[A]

What the was that at Radio City? I don't know. And also I feel like while it's super impressive to like, sit back and look at, like, the legacy of this one particular show, I feel like it didn't paint current SNL in the most positive light because it just sort of reminded me of, like, how many iconic people have come through that door, how much, like, culture they actually changed and influenced and how many, like, references and comedy and even how many movies ended up getting made from, like, things that started on snl. Like Wayne's World.

[B]

Like superstar.

[A]

Right? Mary Katherine Gallagher. Yes. And like, that era of SNL is so over now. It's like a fun show. People like, it makes, like, cultural buzzy moments, but it so doesn't have the impact that it once did. So while it's cool to, like, look back and celebrate, I was like, oh, we're pulling, you know, Domingo Espresso. You know that sketch?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, we all enjoyed it. It's not even remotely as, like, viral. Well, it is viral, but, like, impactful as some of the past sketches that have went on to become like billion dollar franchise movies.

[B]

Yes, I agree. So is that what they did? They redid old sketches?

[A]

Kind of.

[B]

Because I saw the Sabrina one, like, bits and bobs of.

[A]

They brought people back to, like, revitalize iconic sketches that, like, have lived in the SNL hall of fame. They brought famous people who have co hosted, like, they've. They just sort of like, played up on their own history.

[B]

And for three hours.

[A]

Yeah, there were performances as well, different monologues. So it was a lot. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. So a few of the noteworthy moments that I've seen because I didn't watch the whole thing, but it was on. Like, Zach was watching it. So I, I caught a little bit. I've seen some stuff online, like Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds were there. That's kind of like the headline. Not only did they show up, but, like, Ryan participated in like, a bit in the monologue.

[A]

There's a short little where.

[B]

Who was the person talking to him?

[A]

Oh, so funny. Like, irrelevant. We don't know. I actually don't even remember.

[B]

Oh, it was the girl. It was Tina Fey and Amy Poehler.

[A]

They were like, Ryan Reynolds. So many celebrities. Ryan Reynolds is here, and he stood up and he's like, hey, everyone. And they're like, ryan, how are you? And they're. He's like, like, fine. What have you heard? And I have seen, like, pretty much 50, 50 reception. I thought it was actually one of my favorite things when a celebrity is going through, like, a big scandal is to, like, face it head on, make a joke. I think that's a really good PR move. I just think if you hate Ryan Reynolds and you think Blake Lively is, like, a disgusting woman who made up her sexual harassment, then you hated this. And if you feel like they have been. If you're like, team Blake or you just, like, don't care. I think it's. I. I thought it was a good PR move. Like, yeah, I've been, like, hiding. And that makes you look guilty.

[B]

I agree. I do think it's a net positive. I'm someone who's, like, been pretty much Team Blake, but now I'm like, yeah.

[A]

Jackie's, like, tiptoeing out of the room.

[B]

Actually, I'm not even doing it quietly. Like, I'm letting you guys know, like, I am.

[A]

You're sharing your thoughts.

[B]

Flip flop, flippity flopping on this. Because I don't know these people. I don't know the situation. I don't understand it. So anytime someone says something, I'm like, well, that sounds bad.

[A]

You make a good point.

[B]

I'm like, that's really bad that you did that.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Not a good thing.

[B]

So I feel like I'm actually, in that sense, unbiased. I'm not. I'm not stuck on a team that I now can't get off of. So for my pov, this was good for them to just, like, see them out, to see them laugh about it. The only thing that I thought was a little confusing was, like, Blake's reaction to that. Everyone said she was in on the bit. Ryan's not standing up without her knowing about it, but she's not that good of an actress.

[A]

Okay. That is true. She is a particularly bad actress. However, there's. There's literally, I know, zero chance in hell he, Ryan Reynolds, forced Blake to go to this event and didn't tell her about this bit that was going to be televised, referencing this huge scandal.

[B]

That has rocking talk about every day. They, like, this is their.

[A]

Jackie. They're still fucking. I know.

[B]

I know that logic A lot of people watching it. That was a look of genuine shock.

[A]

And confusion and horror. And so a lot of people thought that, like, Ryan. And so this also does play into a big theory of people who are Team Justin being like, Ryan is in charge of this whole thing. He ruined the movie. He rewrote the script. Blake is a victim of Ryan's. And so this sort of only feeds that theory. I think. There's literally no chance in fucking hell that she didn't know about it.

[B]

I do agree with you, and I have seen things turn towards. This is like a Justin vs. Ryan situation. And, like, Ryan bamboozled Justin just like he does Blake. And I just want to go back to what we thought about these two a year ago before any of this. It ends with us, because the blinds.

[A]

We have long referenced this one particular.

[B]

Blind item about this couple from Crazy Days and Nights. Auntie Lawyer.

[A]

I never, like, cared about Ryan Reynolds or Blake Lively. Like, they weren't celebrities in my periphery. And the only thing I sort of knew about them was this, like, one blind item we had read, like, 10 years ago just stuck with you. That Ryan Reynolds was, like, really controlling. That, like, any script that came into their house was vetted by him. And any movie she ended up doing was like. Like, he approved. And that made sense why he did, like, why she does the worst movies ever. And it was just something, like, I read and just believed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, stuck with me. And then this whole thing has caused me to, like, look at them differently. And I'm, like, shifting my perspectives, but.

[B]

It'S kind of coming back.

[A]

We must forget about that blind item.

[B]

Yeah. So that's a theory, too. And that also, I think, would be a relief for people who don't want to think, like, Blake is that bad of a person because they're like, oh, it was Ryan.

[A]

Right. Manipulated.

[B]

Yeah. But I don't know now, like, I.

[A]

Also hate theories like that because it's just like, you're operating under the assumption that, like, this woman, successful businesswoman, mother of four, has no agency over her own life.

[B]

Right, Right. And I actually don't think that anymore in seeing her in interviews and the way that she talks, like, I. I do see her differently.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But something. I know there's a something there.

[A]

There was also a lot of, like, interpersonal relationships, different conflict conflicts at SNL50. Pete Davidson and Kim Kardashian were both there. And I actually saw a video of them at the after party, which looked like the. Probably more the most amount of famous people to be In a room. Like an actually famous people. Not like, you know, socialites. Like, really, really famous people all in one room. Kim and Pete, like, kind of like.

[B]

The Met Gala, but probably even more famous people, because there was also probably people that wouldn't ordinarily get invited to.

[A]

The Met Gala and half the Met Gala. That's what I meant is like, really, like, high society. We don't know you.

[B]

Yeah. But I'm sure you're very welcome patrons.

[A]

Right. This was just such, like, really, if you weren't there and you're a celebrity right now, like, best of luck to you. Like, it was really the who's who.

[B]

So I would imagine that anyone who's ever hosted got invited. And everyone who's ever performed, like, no.

[A]

Actually, so many people have hosted, and I don't feel like they were all there. But also there were some people, like, famous castmates who weren't even there. I saw a lot of people, like, upset that Nassim Pedrad wasn't there. Not everyone was there.

[B]

They didn't want to go.

[A]

Yeah, maybe.

[B]

Is there.

[A]

Aubrey Plaza was there, which I think a lot of people found to be really shocking. She just did a very brief. I think she introduced Miley, given that her husband just. She just went through something really tragic, like, a month or two ago. But, yeah, everyone was there. So Kim and Pete and I saw a video of them, like, literally walking by one another without acknowledging. Now, maybe they had already said hello. This was just one moment in time. But I just kept thinking about that thing you told me about the episode of Kardashians where she said, like, the minute she broke up with Pete was when he suggested she stopped working. So I'm like, maybe these two did end, like, not well.

[B]

Yeah, no. Or work less. I actually feel like they probably ended fine. I don't know.

[A]

Serious.

[B]

Yeah. But it was so serious.

[A]

So serious.

[B]

Nothing was ever more serious. No. I saw, like, some crowd shots and tweets, like, Kim Kardashian. Oh, my God. And in front of her is Lady Gaga. Oh, my God. And then, like, Adam Driver sitting there in the tux, like, just so crazy.

[A]

It was also a big night for power couple Martin Short and Meryl Streep.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They were both there separately and together. You love to see her showing up supporting her man.

[B]

Yeah. So I do think that Snow50, like, had the effect that the intended effect people wanted it to have. They had their moment.

[A]

Bill Murray, like, the great.

[B]

They also had their, like, documentary too. So there's, like, a lot of like, just news coming out and like old clips resurfacing and behind the scenes tidbits. So, like, everyone's talking about snow. I'm happy for them. The show fudgeing stinks all the time. Just make it better, hire better people. Like, bring it back, you know, restore it to its glory. Maybe, maybe this would be a good reminder of that.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, it really highlighted this thing that was once great and it's still here. And I know there are, like, people who really like it, but I think overall, like, you can't deny that the impact of SNL on like comedy, on American culture is nominal compared to what it once was. And that's so cool to see like Chevy Chase there. He's like, really, like the biggest thing to ever come out. Chevy.

[B]

I love Chevy.

[A]

He's so chevalicious.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like, who is the Chevy Chase? Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Of today? Of course.

[A]

Because I like to think of like the biggest male lead right now on.

[B]

SNL day is Keenan.

[A]

But like, Keenan doesn't have like, Keenan.

[B]

Had a. Keenan's not a movie star.

[A]

I know.

[B]

He's an SNL star.

[A]

He did a sitcom and it didn't like, it didn't do well. It's. I. I just think SNL's like, impact is not what it was.

[B]

And so it's Mikey day.

[A]

It's thousand percent.

[B]

It's always Mikey day.

[A]

And it's always been Mikey day.

[B]

Okay, get that finger out of my face. We're so close. Hey, heart.

[A]

Okay, back the hand hug.

[B]

Do we? My palms are a little sweaty.

[A]

It's hot in here.

[B]

Yeah, we're just working hard. We're hard working ladies out at the office.

[A]

I'm working late.

[B]

I can't believe I didn't even talk about my commute. Like, let me tell you, Jackie commuted to work today.

[A]

As somebody who works from home, like, this is revolutionary. What podcast did you listen to?

[B]

As somebody who works from home? I was listening to the Short and sweet bonus tracks. But then I realized I can't listen to new music on a new drive. I need familiarity in these new streets.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I went. Went back to F1 trillion. But as someone who has always lived in a city, but I never had my license, I have never in my life driven myself to work, to work. Oh, my gosh. Does it ever get old?

[A]

I think it does actually, like, very quickly.

[B]

Oh, my God. Me and my coffee with my lipstick. Like, hey, wave to your neighbors. Took two highways to get here. What's going on?

[A]

Yeah, it does get old.

[B]

Hey, truckers, what's good?

[A]

I think it's at first something like, exciting, and then it's just a. A 20 minute dread fest.

[B]

I'm living the dream.

[A]

She's so American.

[B]

It was so exciting. Like, I just. Oh, my gosh. You guys.

[A]

You and Tessie.

[B]

Me and Tessie, we had a great drive over here. Next time we'll like, we'll work some coffee into the route. But, you know, I just wanted to get.

[A]

You don't wanna.

[B]

I want to get my route mapped. And Tessie definitely took me like a crazy way. There were so many turns when there did not need to be so many turns.

[A]

Insane.

[B]

She wanted to see me turn. I'm like, girl, stop.

[A]

She said, do a flip.

[B]

I said, tessie, stop challenging me.

[A]

I just see you in the Tesla, like, talking to your car.

[B]

I'm getting a new car soon and I feel like I haven't even made a big deal about it.

[A]

No, you haven't.

[B]

Even though I did a whole vlog test driving different cars, you have made.

[A]

A somewhat of a big deal.

[B]

I was this close to getting the Cyber truck. This, like, seriously, if. If Jerry had called me on a different day, like, it would have been the Cyber.

[A]

And for those who don't know, Jerry is your local sales associate.

[B]

He's like the guy who's been assigned to my account. He's been so patient with me, really talking through all the options. But at the end of the day, Jerry and I decided that I love my car. Like, I seriously wouldn't change a hair on its head. I'm so happy. I'm so comfortable.

[A]

And you and Jerry, like, need to do what's best for you and Jerry, right?

[B]

Of course. And of course what's best for me is what's best for Jerry because, like, he'll get the commission.

[A]

Commissions commit.

[B]

And I told him, like, I am Tesla loyal. Like, you don't have to worry about me going somewhere else. But, like, let's talk it through Cybertruck. Model X, Model Y. But, you know, I do want a little new something. I've had the car two years. Luckily, yeah, they make a new Model Y now.

[A]

Luckily.

[B]

So I have an extension. I've had my car for two years, so I'm on a lease extension until the new Model Y drops. So I'm getting my car. But, like, the newer version, they say it looks like a cyber truck.

[A]

I haven't heard that. I haven't heard that.

[B]

So, yeah, I'll have to commute in that one.

[A]

Big things coming. Big things coming.

[B]

Big things. You know who else has big things coming? Meghan Markle.

[A]

Okay. Not only does she have big things coming, she's embracing transparency.

[B]

She is embracing transparency. And I want her to go back the other way.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

I want her to go back into opaqueness because this is too much that she's telling us without telling us enough. First of all, she has her new business launching, as she said.

[A]

She posted a video formerly American Riviera Orchard.

[B]

Yeah, I feel like people might not be putting this together because it took me a minute. Same American Riviera Orchard, which was. Was launched almost a year ago, because I remember that was the week that you were off, and I was talking about it with, like, Stassi. Everyone came on the show. I'm like, let's talk about it. So. And that was in April. So almost a year ago. Aro Then nothing came of it.

[A]

And it's supposed to be, like, a jam company.

[B]

It was supposed to be, like, wares, like, a million things. It started with jam, but then it went nowhere.

[A]

We actually didn't even get much. We just got, like, a logo.

[B]

I think there were trademark issues, and she had to, like, stop what she was doing. So now it has been rebranded. It's called as Ever. Now, if you've been following Megan as an influencer for the last two weeks, you will see she signs her posts as Ever Megan.

[A]

Oh, I didn't even put that together. I thought what you were gonna say. If you've been following Megan's new career. Well, actually revitalized career as an influencer, you wouldn't be surprised to know that, like, she shared all this information on her Instagram, and my Instagram must know that, like, I die for these videos. Because every time she posts, it's the first thing that comes up in my feed. And recently I've been getting, like, strangers in my feed.

[B]

Have you always, like, every fourth thing is a first thing?

[A]

It's like someone's engaged. I'm like, wait, who do I know who got engaged or had a baby? People I've never heard of with 300 likes. Who are you? Literally, who are you? So the first thing I saw this morning was Megan, and I was like, oh, my God. Freaking. And I thought it was just gonna be like another one of her sort of mindless Billie Eilish lunchbox videos. But this one was kind of full of. Of tea.

[B]

No, I think she wanted you to think it wasn't a big deal, but it Was a very big deal, but.

[A]

She was being really open. Not only like, her spilling the beans, that American Ruby Orchard, whatever the company, is her company, but also like Netflix invested in it, which I thought was really interesting.

[B]

Yeah. So she's doing her show with Net Netflix, and then she's also doing her business with Netflix. Now she kept using the word business like Romeo and Michelle do. Like, I've got a business.

[A]

What kind of business?

[B]

Seriously, what kind of business, y'all?

[A]

And you know, calling it a business as opposed to like a company is weird.

[B]

She kept saying, like, I have my show and I have my business and my business and my business. It's like, what kind of business, y'all? And so she's gonna have to clear that up. What's so crazy to me is that they chose American Riviera Orchard. I'm sure it was Q score tested, focus groups, etc.

[A]

Lawyers, they didn't check the trademark marks. No.

[B]

And the fact that that was like a non usable name because she said in her transparent video, which I do feel like is not all the way transparent, which is why it's like, go back to opaqueness. She said if they did American Riviera Orchard, which is like the nickname for Montecito and her neighborhood, she would have been limited to only sell, like, things.

[A]

That come from locally sourced in Santa Barbara.

[B]

Says who?

[A]

Yeah. No, that's not a good reason to change your name. And that's not the actual reason.

[B]

So the fact that she had to change her name before her business even launched is so crazy.

[A]

It is.

[B]

However, these businesses have been years in the making.

[A]

However, let's not forget that one of the most successful, influential, billionaire status companies was once named Kimono.

[B]

True.

[A]

It isn't necessarily. Because I remember when that happened to scams. I'm like, this is the end, like, before they even launch. It's such a bad omen. She got so much backlash. Cultural appropriation.

[B]

The mayor of Tokyo.

[A]

Yeah, right. And so we were like, oh, this company's never going to take off. And you literally had forgotten about it up until right now. Like, it. It didn't hinder its success. So it's not an automatic.

[B]

It's not an automatic. I just want to say that was like a two week period and it was very swift and like, it's crazy that no one like had the thought up until that point. But like, okay, but this is like years, years. And whatever stopped them from being able to use it. Like, I just don't know how that didn't come up. In the year long process. And she keeps saying, I've been waiting years to put this out. Like, what? Why years?

[A]

Yeah, it just sort of.

[B]

You want to launch a business, get started.

[A]

You could put this in the file of, like, things Megan does from a business perspective that either never launch or don't make sense. Like, really, it's. It's so on brand for her, to be honest. And I actually like this approach. And she references the Tig in her video. She's like, for those of you who have been following me since the Tig, you know, like, I love gardening, crafting, cooking, et cetera. And this is like a.

[B]

She just called the Tig.

[A]

Oh, yeah. By the way, let's talk about that. Because the Tig is actually a great name. It is for like a blog. And you. I could see it turning into. If I had like a pan and like, what brand is it? And I looked over as a Tig. Like, I like that. And it's hard to get recognition. She already has that with, like the OG fans. But now everybody knows, like, Megan, who was a princess, also used to be a blogger. So why. Maybe she doesn't own it. Like, I have to. And also it would just be such, like a nice homecoming type of thing. Like back to her roots.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't understand.

[B]

Also, why not call it With Love, which is the name of her cooking show? There are so many, like, and I said this a few weeks ago, there are so many isms in there under her umbrella.

[A]

Umbrella.

[B]

Duke, Duchess, Hari, Megan, Mount Harvey. Hari.

[A]

Hari. Yeah.

[B]

Archwell. Archetypes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

With Love, as ever.

[A]

American Riviera, Orchard, the Tig, Sussex.

[B]

Too much. And also, like, With Love. And as ever, like, those are like the same thing. The same thing. They're also like nothing isms.

[A]

They're like signatures.

[B]

They're not like hard names.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I also, like, don't love that the E in ever isn't capitalized.

[A]

It is or it isn't.

[B]

It's not. And it's like, bothering me. That's interesting in what I've seen. Yeah. Every time she writes it, it's capital.

[A]

A lowercase E. That's a pretty logo, though. I want to say, like, the font is pretty.

[B]

It's like script.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You can find that on Instagram. Okay.

[A]

You're such a hater.

[B]

Like, sorry. Like, I've given her so much Runway. I was excited for this show. I, like, I've been begging for the show. The show's still not here. The brand is a mess.

[A]

The show is still not the show.

[B]

Still not here. The brand is a mess. Mess. These videos are a mess. She can't even make a video without cutting every three seconds.

[A]

The cuts were really bad in this one phrase.

[B]

Like, it's just. She's being the person that, like, everyone said she was to look out for.

[A]

Well, I'm holding space for multiple truths.

[B]

You know, that's what you have to do.

[A]

Yes. By the way, if you are, like, a fan, and actually in moments like this, like, I often think of Stassi Schroeder, who is, like, a die hard Meghan Markle fan. It must be really unexciting to be, like, a big Megan Markle fan, because it's so many announcements and no releases. Right. It's kind of like, what do they say? Like, edging, when you, like, masturbate to the point of ejaculation, but you don't ejaculate. Like, there's so much hype. Oh, show, company, documentary, book, and then never comes podcast.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where is the ejaculation?

[B]

I don't know where the ejaculation is.

[A]

And I'll leave you with that.

[B]

That. No, it's a pretty good metaphor.

[A]

It is, right?

[B]

And I've heard the term edging.

[A]

Yeah, I forgot. I think I learned in, like, a TV show.

[B]

I think I learned it in, like.

[A]

A. Reals are so crazy.

[B]

Real people are real people.

[A]

You know what it is? Reels is a little too filled with real people. Like, I'm good.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

They say social media is a highlight. Real. Like, it's not real. You know what? I think I prefer it that way.

[B]

I prefer it that way.

[A]

The alternative is just maybe, like, someone's.

[B]

Edging experience was their highlight.

[A]

Oh, wow. Okay. Pop off, queen. Now that our phones are, like, sitting right next to us, we're gonna get so much edging content.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

Because it's picking up. Edging, edging, edging. I like to edge.

[B]

Sourdough gardening. Meghan Markle knitting power tools.

[A]

Jackie's phone. I need you to be.

[B]

Give me your phone.

[A]

Meghan Markle. Positive, positive. We love Meghan Markle. Meghan is a queen. The royals were wrong for what they did to Megan Red 40.

[B]

Vaccines.

[A]

We need to both be radicalized. Wait, let me think, let me think. Oh, wait. Blake Lively. Innocent. Innocent. Blake Lively. Justin Baldoni.

[B]

Interesting facts about the Titanic that I wouldn't mind. Historical anecdotes I would find interesting.

[A]

Beef stew.

[B]

Beef stew recipes.

[A]

Oh, Pop Tarts. Cereal is good for you. We like sugary cereal. Sugary Cereal is good for kids and adults, especially pregnant women. Pregnant women can take Advil.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Oh, I need your phone still.

[B]

Oh, enjoy.

[A]

That was fun.

[B]

I hope you enjoy your new life.

[A]

You too. By the way, let me set you free from the shackles of health and wellness. It's true you need to be unburdened by what has been, but, like, I.

[B]

Actually think Megan falls into my bucket of life.

[A]

Definitely.

[B]

So I think it will be good for you. And that's why I want her show to come, and I want her products to, like, influence.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, like, when there's nothing. I'm sorry. I'm getting impatient. I'm sorry for that.

[A]

It's also really hard to, like, our job is to talk about her, and, like, there's a lot to talk about, but there's also nothing to say because we have yet to see a piece of content.

[B]

No. And, like, when you're rooting for her, it's like, yeah, she's got a Netflix show, and she's got a business with capital B. And it's like, until that day comes, she doesn't have those things.

[A]

It's fair there.

[B]

And I've really been hyping up, like, this era of content creation for her.

[A]

You have?

[B]

I'm looking like a fool, and I just have one.

[A]

Now you know how I feel.

[B]

What kind of business you win?

[A]

That's a good question.

[B]

What the Is she selling? I know she said. I know she said she's gonna sell jams because, quote, jam is my jam.

[A]

Loved that.

[B]

What else is she selling?

[A]

No, now you know how I felt. Well, feel when Blake Lively.

[B]

What about it?

[A]

Like, when you're rooting for someone so hard and they, like, kind of, like, it becomes hard and embarrassing.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm. I'm like. Because I don't freaking know these people, I'm woman enough to say I'm out of here.

[A]

I just want to say I know a lot of people, like, hate me. Hate me for my Blake Lively takes, and I've definitely pulled them back, and it's like, oh, well, Claudia knows she's wrong, so she's not. I'm really not afraid to admit when I've wrong. When I've been wrong. Like, I was wrong that Travis Kelsey did know Taylor Swift. Like, I was 100 wrong about that. I have not been convinced. And if I. I will keep you guys updated. If I ever do get convinced, I will be woman enough to say that I was wrong.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

In this moment, I know you guys don't agree with me, I still stand firmly on where I was before. Like, I do not think that this person is a good guy.

[B]

That's not the question.

[A]

I do think he did all those things. I do think, like, Blake Lively. Yeah. She's like a mean diva actress. I think. I think she was the victim. I'm sorry. I do.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That's the question of both an online attack and an in person attack by this. Like, what. Who?

[B]

I think a freak unprompted.

[A]

Well, okay, let's say she was a.

[B]

No, that's not. That's fine if she's a unprompted, meaning, like, she wasn't on the attack. So then he attacked her.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Unprompted.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Okay, cool. Our next story. Craigie Conover is on the Tamarind hall show. Oh, yeah, sorry, I said it like, bad news. No, it's just like Craig noises has a single man. It's been.

[A]

Been a lot of days since we did a show because this happened a few days ago and I had forgotten about it.

[B]

It's been a lot of days. I still didn't watch Southern Charm because now I'm going to batch them because my friend told me that this Week in the Bahamas episode is kind of like a primer for next week. So I'm like, that'll be more fun to watch together. But I do think that ever since that clip teased a page saying, Craig texting two bitches. Like, Craig's gonna kick it into high gear. Kick into high gear. Like, hey, guys, I'm still Craigie. Like, I wouldn't do such things.

[A]

Yeah. And up until this point, he is definitely, like, people are divided. Especially like, like, Paige is like, a really loyal fan base for her podcast. So people have, like, her fans have been on her side, but for the most part, like, it's been pretty equal. People really still like Paige. People really still like Craig. Craig hasn't, I don't think, received any sort of, like, backlash or anything because he has kind of been like, perceived as the victim. Like, he's the one who got broken up with. So this is the first time where he's like, kind of on the defense.

[B]

Yeah. Because, like, nefarious behavior, he has been used. So on the Tamron hall show, he was asked if he started dating again. He said, I'm trying to move forward. So I downloaded a dating app. It wasn't what probably Raya. He said, it wasn't what I. It didn't feel as good as I thought it would be. He said. He confirmed that he's matched with people, but he's not talked to anyone yet. He said, I'm still healing on myself because I really did think I was going to spend my life with Paige, and it's okay, but I don't think rushing into something. He. He began to say before cutting off his thoughts and changing his tune. He said, well, I don't know if the right person comes around, while Tamron interrupted him and pointed out that he's giving mixed signals.

[A]

It's confusing.

[B]

Yeah. He acknowledged his differing views, but also explained that he has never done this before and is still just figuring it out. The weird new chapter. He said, I just think for me, I think it's about going back to my routine and living my life, and I'm. If I meet someone through that, then just go with it, but I'm not going to overthink it. I feel like I get what he's saying, which it's like, I'm not. Like, I want to find someone. I also recognize that I'm ready, but if the right person came around, like, I would be ready.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it also leaves a lot of space for the wrong person to come around and then him, like, give off bad energy. Right. But, like, if the perfect girl was in front of him. But would he even be able to identify the perfect girl when he's not. Not healed?

[A]

This was a quick turnaround from Tamarind. Let me say that TV is known to, like, really sort of lag behind. It's not a live show, so. Good get.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like she's, like, stepping into Bravo stuff a lot. Yeah.

[B]

She like, on the same network?

[A]

No, I think she's on, like, Fox 5. What was I gonna say about this? I feel like there's not a shortage of, like, nice girls who want to date Craig.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I really feel like he should work on himself.

[B]

But I'm sure there's also a nice queue of, like, girls who want to use Craig.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they might all look alike, so he's gonna have to really have his picker strong.

[A]

Yeah. I also. I had thought this, and then I saw people on social media saying it. When Paige is referencing the two different girls he was texting throughout the course of their relationship. I felt like the first girl she's referencing is Kristen Cavallari.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Like, that is, like, the way they started their relationship. Like, we forgot, but, like, it was a little murky. Like, he was talking to two girls at once, and he decided to go with Paige. So I feel like that might have been Like, a thing in their relationship, like, the whole time. And she just, like, always remember. I feel like that might be one of the girls.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, it sounds bad the way that she said it. Like, I caught him texting two. I. I need more information before I'm, like, gonna drop the gavel on it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, but that's disrespectful.

[A]

Right? We'll have to.

[B]

But, like, I also. I'm gonna trust my fave. I'm gonna. I'm gonna hear Craig out on this.

[A]

We need to hear, like, the final.

[B]

And then I. Both of their scenes.

[A]

Whatever.

[B]

Craig says that. I need to hear Paige's response to that.

[A]

The thing is, it seems like Paige is gonna get the last word because Southern Charm is, like, in their, what, fifth or sixth episode? And Summerhouse just premiered. So we'll hear at the very end of Southern Charm season, we'll hear what Craig has to say about the relationship.

[B]

That's a flaw.

[A]

Him saying that he got the ring. What. Whatever. Making Paige look like the villain. And then Paige will be able to respond being like, well, actually, you were texting. Yes or no.

[B]

That's a flaw. Add Paige's clips to the episode of Southern Charm. Just think about it. Bravo.

[A]

No add.

[B]

Wait, like, we're gonna watch Craig say whatever he says on Southern Charm, then they should play pages. It's the same, like, day that it happened. So, like, put the Southern summer house footage in Southern Charm.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Let them speak to one another. Center, center.

[B]

Guys, it's time to synergize.

[A]

I completely agree.

[B]

Are you ready for our fourth story?

[A]

Is it our fourth story? That's brought to you by Vivrel.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

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Thank you honeylove.com Turt you're welcome. Jenny Love Even though it's slash toast. Like, that could get confusing sometimes actually.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Sponsor being like, what the?

[A]

You see them backing out.

[B]

Like, seriously are you doing this is what kind of business you in?

[A]

What kind of business y'all in?

[B]

Our next story. Can I have some of your coffee? I've been eyeing it.

[A]

Oh, it's disgusting. Enjoy.

[B]

Been like, sort of a problem with my commute is I was. This is only my first coffee.

[A]

It's been like a consistent issue after day one. Is that what you would say?

[B]

Oh, the coffee's like, not good.

[A]

Yeah. Well, it's just like I said, right. It's not amazing.

[B]

You're not a good judge of coffee.

[A]

I know when something's disgusting.

[B]

Well, coffee is like, gross. Gross.

[A]

That's so glad you said it. Get real.

[B]

Like, it's not like, actually tasty.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

People don't space coffee.

[A]

Of course people need to treat coffee like they do alcohol, you know?

[B]

Yes. No, that's exactly what you just like.

[A]

You just drink it. It's a means to an end.

[B]

I don't actually like the taste. I like what it does for me.

[A]

Right? Like even the world. Because, like, sometimes, like, unless I'm having.

[B]

Like a vanilla bean macchiato fresh.

[A]

That's not coffee. No, that's not coffee. But even when I like, crave like a really. Even the world's best margarita, which, like, I love a margarita Yucky. Give me water.

[B]

Like, it's like if you gave it to a child, the coffee or the obviously wouldn't get margarita, but they would say that's gross. Yeah.

[A]

And so the first time I ever tried alcohol, like, ever, like hard alcohol, I remember somebody gave it to me in like a water bottle. It looked like water. I'm like, I didn't know what. I didn't know what it was going to taste like. And I thought for sure that somebody accidentally gave me like a bottle of gasoline. Like, I. I didn't think. I'm like, there's no way. This is what people. People drink in the movies, right? It's impossible. And it was like, wait, what the. It was shocking.

[B]

Yeah. Well, our next story is also really shocking.

[A]

It's kind of the theme of the day.

[B]

The Jonas Brothers have revealed Jonas Con, a one day fan event in New Jersey centered around the Jonas Bronus.

[A]

It's like, makes me sad.

[B]

In honor of their 20th anniversary. Yes, you are old. If you are listening, you are old.

[A]

And I just want to say the Jonas Brothers put out a statement on the 20th anniversary, which was a couple of Days ago. And I'm reading it, I'm like, oh my God, they're breaking up again. It was such like the way it was written.

[B]

It's very nerve wracking to be a Jonas Brothers fan. Like, don't get comfortable.

[A]

It's unsettling. Yeah, yeah. They cancel tours, they cancel the band. They can't fight.

[B]

Yeah, they fight. They can't look at each other on stage like, this is their last show. This is how it ends.

[A]

I only like ever would be interested in having a body language expert on the toast. If they can tell us what the hell's going on with the Jonas Brothers.

[B]

That's really funny. In honor of their 20th anniversary, the Jonas Brothers are giving fans once of an election lifetime experience. On February 14th, they announced that they'll host a special one day event called Jonas Con in their home state of New Jersey. The event will feature live performances, DJ sets, Q A panels, fan activations pop up, surprises, immersive experience, and special guest appearances to celebrate the band's 20th anniversary. Now, of course, the Jonas Brothers will be there.

[A]

I should hope so.

[B]

And I imagine they'll be playing Play my music. Unclear.

[A]

Remember they played that on Dick and Rock and Clark did.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So randomly. That's my favorite Jonas Brother song.

[B]

It's so good.

[A]

It's Camp Rock.

[B]

We rock.

[A]

Camp Rock.

[B]

Oh my God, that's so crazy. Have you seen? Oh, no, that wasn't the Allison Stoner clip. The Allison Stoner Demi Lovato.

[A]

I have.

[B]

I love them for that. But the Jonas Brothers, like should be there performing. Unclear. Who else is performing. Like, who's doing the Q&As and the DJ sets. They have a lot of DJ friends actually, so I could see like, you know, the boys coming through.

[A]

I just, I find my job really difficult because even like. And maybe people tune in for me to be like such a negative complainy bitch. But like every story I'm like, Megan's like, I hate to put.

[B]

And I would just like it was the negative complaining bitch about Megan. I think, you know, tune in for the truth. So whatever that is.

[A]

I would love to be like, this is so great. Jonas Brothers fans are gonna have the best time. But seriously, like, this is so low brow. Like there's something particular. I mean, it's giving Tanacon, remember in Tana Mojo had like the most up convention for her fans. Like people died on the streets. Like, it's really something you do at the bitter end. And the Jonas Brothers. And this is what I feel like I said about Them the last time. They're always do. It's like they don't know how famous they are. They're always doing really weird, like, cash grabs. Cash grabs.

[B]

And I just feel like they always think it's the end because they don't know what, like, what's gonna set off Joe and Nick next. So it's like, let's make the money. They live on the edge, like, just like their fans.

[A]

Yeah. And like, I remember we were talking about this because I think a while ago.

[B]

What?

[A]

Do my feet smell?

[B]

No. I was wondering, am I touching your feet? I'm touching something. Okay, you're touching my shoe.

[A]

I thought you smelled my feet or something.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

No. I took my shoes off.

[B]

I'm just, like, playing footsies with something. I was like, is it her?

[A]

So I remember saying this, like, maybe a year or two ago when the Jonas Brothers really decided to invest in TikTok. And there's a very fine line between, like, being an artist on TikTok and then becoming. Becoming a TikTok artist. And I think that, like, you know, Meghan Trainor is a great example of somebody who was making TikTok music and then was actually just became a pop star, even though she was one before, but she used tick tock. And I think the Jonas Brothers, like, they're investing so much in TikTok. They're doing, like, collabs with different TikTokers. I keep seeing a new one every day, like Joe Jonas popping up on all these random songs. They are doing things where they, like, really don't know how famous they are. And this is one of them. And while it's nice to, like, give back to your fans, this, to me, is not why they're doing it. It. It's very clearly, like, I. I actually don't know. It just doesn't align with what I know the Jonas Brothers to be, like, this very famous band.

[B]

Yeah. Marshmallow will be there.

[A]

Correct. Even though, like. And that's the other thing about the Jonas Brothers. There are a few people making music as good. Like, I don't know why they're doing so much. Like, they feel like they have to prove something.

[B]

Yeah. I would. I'll be curious to see, like, how many people. Like, maybe this is like a big. Maybe they can make a couple mil in a day. Like BravoCon. Yeah. Where everybody comes to see them. They don't have to go on tour. They do all have young children. So it's like, this could be a good model.

[A]

It could.

[B]

It could.

[A]

That's a good way.

[B]

It just doesn't sound like it and it like what's. It also depends what's the venue like?

[A]

Right? Like the Jet. Like, is it premium? The jab? Well, I think.

[B]

Is it like a convention center? That's not the vibe. Convention center is like giving retired, you know, come see your favorite stars from the 80s.

[A]

No, but there are conventions that are still like, really? Like, think of BravoCon. I also think of like RuPaul, DragCon. It's huge. But it's because. Because these are like shows.

[B]

They're world huge.

[A]

Like cast. It's just three people. It's hard to have a convention. For one thing, it would be cool.

[B]

If it's like in an arena or a stadium.

[A]

That's more of a festival though.

[B]

Yeah, but maybe it's more of a. I think they're still thinking what it looks like.

[A]

And it's called like Jonas Fest. Something con is if you meet your.

[B]

Favorite stars from the 80s, it's giving a.

[A]

It's a con.

[B]

Oh, for me, it's giving Legacy.

[A]

Johnny Drama.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Saved by the Bell will be there.

[A]

Yes, the cast of Saved by the Bell. Viking Quest.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, are you ready for a fifth and final story that will lead into our White Lotus recap?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because one of the biggest names on the new season of White Lotus is Patrick Schwarzenegger. Making a lot of headlines. He sat down with Vanity Fair to talk about the role and the fact.

[A]

That we saw his penis and how.

[B]

He quote, I fucked his way onto the White Lotus.

[A]

Oh, no. Because the thing is, and me and Ben were talking. It's so funny. I just met Patrick Schwarzenegger. I don't even know if I told you that this he. I was out to dinner and he was sitting with somebody that I knew. So of course, like, I'm so obnoxious. I'm like, oh, my God, Bo. Hey, how are you? And I'm like, oh, who says? Such a nice guy.

[B]

Patrick's the one that dated Miley.

[A]

Yes, of course.

[B]

Because I confused him with Conor Kennedy.

[A]

They are the same, but Patrick greater than. Oh, just like famous wise. Like, Connor never like became as famous as he could have been.

[B]

Maybe he's worked. Maybe he's toiling away somewhere. Maybe he's like in a military academy or something. No, no, he's going to be like the President.

[A]

I think, like, he really did not not like being famous as like Taylor Swift's boyfriend and like reverted back after that. He never like aspired greater after. After being that I Don't know.

[B]

I feel like he's at West Point.

[A]

No, I. Like, I saw him in the elevator at Zero Bond. He's literally not. He's not at West Point.

[B]

He's not at West Point.

[A]

The last time I saw him, he was at Zero Bond wearing a leather jacket.

[B]

Okay. So I had high hopes. Maybe I'm wrong.

[A]

Maybe he enlisted after or maybe the night off. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

He came into the city.

[A]

The military loves to go to Zero Bond.

[B]

And West Point's not that far from Cirban.

[A]

No, for sure. For sure.

[B]

Patrick Schwarzenegger. You saw him. What happened next?

[A]

Such a pargy man. And I think he's engaged, like, a really pargy man.

[B]

Abby Champion.

[A]

Really just pargiliciousness. And so his. I don't know him as an actor, but after watching the episode, I was like, wow, he's an amazing actor, because he's fucking insufferable. And I just met him in person. Really? Very, like, Hamish. Nice guy. But the article is, like, giving his character.

[B]

Yes. A little bit. There are some, like, cringy tidbits, but also interesting. Like, first of all, he was set. It opens how he talked about, like, every Sunday night, he would, like, get together for dinner with his family, and they all watch White Lotus together, which is just, like, weird.

[A]

That's, like, normal behavior. What?

[B]

No, like, oh, it's just, like, a random sexual show. And it's like, that's what you guys are, like, glued to. It's not like Game of Thrones.

[A]

That's a really good point.

[B]

So. And then how it was his dream to one day be on a season.

[A]

I think it's a lot of people's dream because, like, look at, you know, Megan Fahey. It makes a star.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Jennifer Coolidge.

[B]

Every time we would watch, my family would just be yapping at me, why aren't you on this show? Why didn't you audition?

[A]

It's actually funny.

[B]

You need to talk to someone to get you on this show.

[A]

Really funny. Oh, also, I saw Maria Shriver on the street the other day.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, something is, like, bringing you into their orbit 1000%. What do you think it means?

[A]

No, literally, I was walking on Lexington Avenue. She was just, like, walking the other way, just giving. Businesswoman, like, wearing trousers.

[B]

Interesting. Maybe she was commuting to work.

[A]

She was, like, outside a big business.

[B]

Building because we all kind of do business and we.

[A]

Right. The American Riviera Orchard office building.

[B]

Yeah. We have to get to where work. And that's probably what she Was doing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If only she had, like, was driving herself.

[A]

They have so many different, like, corners of fame within that particular family.

[B]

Well, Chris Pratt, he's talking about Chris. He talks a lot about. Not a lot, but he talks a bit about Chris Pratt in this interview. First of all, his whole family went to the premiere, and then he was asking for. He got an audition. They didn't tell him it was the White Lotus, but, like, I don't know how much I believe this. He said. They said it was a show called, like, Secret Garden, and they gave him, like, one line about who this character is, and he has to, like, make it his own. And Chris Pratt was like, you know, they only really watch five seconds of. In the first five seconds, they know if you're right. Right for the role.

[A]

I just want to say I do believe that.

[B]

That he didn't know it was White.

[A]

Lotus, that I think that that might be how they have a lot of people audition for White Lotus because it is this, like, larger than life, and people are so lame. And the best part of it is, like, how people. How the actors take these random characters and, like, really make them their own. I feel like a lot of it is the actors doing that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I can actually see that being, like, the challenge kind of when you. When you do a. A job interview and there's, like, a riddle they give you to solve, like.

[B]

In finance or it's like, Undercover Boss.

[A]

We're in a blender.

[B]

Oh, that too. But, like, Undercover Bus, like, he has to go undercover because everyone knows the. Everyone knows the formula.

[A]

I kind of get. I kind of see that.

[B]

So Chris had told him, like, they'll know if you're right for it within the first five seconds. So, like, do something interesting. So. Because he knew this guy was, like, kind of, like, misogynist. He was like. He said, they're. The first five seconds, he kind of, like, I. The camera and was, like, acting like it was a girl, like, and that he got the role. And then when he knew it was White Lotus, very exciting. And even when they were filming in Thailand, like, the whole family, Parker, Park, Posey and the gang, they, like, did everything together as a family. Like, people would be like, you want to go to dinner? They're like, I'm having dinner with my family.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Watching movies. And, like, they would all. Even before they started filming, like, do zooms to, like, get into this.

[A]

That's cute.

[B]

It's giving the Millers, like, witness protection program. This is my new family.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I guess that's Good. Again, like, it's just acting.

[A]

It is.

[B]

You have a nice family at home, but. Oh, hey, sure, yeah, yeah.

[A]

The first episode of White Lotus was like actually hard for me one because I didn't think it was so good, but. But that is White Lotus. Like it's real character development. You have to like put in the time. But mostly because I spent the entire episode on IMDb like, Am I the only one? First of all, I could not fucking figure out who of the three girl best friends, like the loser who nobody liked who she is, you know, she is who The Gilded Age. She's the rich new family mom.

[B]

Oh my gosh. Across the street.

[A]

And I can't say her name because she is such an unfortunate last name. Do you know what it is? I'm not saying it.

[B]

Wait, I'm gonna go Gilded axis. Oh my God, she is. Tied her hair blonde. She thought we wouldn't know Jackie's.

[A]

This is her last name.

[B]

Oh, I see. I see.

[A]

I'm not saying that.

[B]

Okay. Bertha Russell.

[A]

Bertha Russell. Yeah. Yeah. So Jackie, it was bothering me so much then I could not figure out who Parker Posey's husband was.

[B]

Well, Parker Posey, Josie and the Pussycats, please.

[A]

I knew that almost immediately when I.

[B]

Saw Parker Posey, like on the credits in the beginning when they changed the song, I was like, excuse me, Josie.

[A]

I knew Josie was going to be there without the cats and I was really excited. But you know who her husband is? KO you probably don't know. Lucius Malfoy. Draco Malfoy's dad. I just watched Harry Potter.

[B]

Oh, beautiful.

[A]

Then the girl who has the boyfriend. The girl with the teeth.

[B]

Yeah, who's that?

[A]

She is like a classic. She was in Game of Thrones. I think she was like one of the hookers. Yeah.

[B]

Like a bedwench.

[A]

Yeah, she was a bedwench. Thank you.

[B]

Okay, let me go to just White Lotus Season 3 cast.

[A]

I was just.

[B]

And the little brother, what is he from? Because I. Oh, he's like, you know.

[A]

Classic up and comer.

[B]

He's classic like Samurai Terry from Pretty.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

But like actually, what is he from?

[A]

It was just so distracting. I was like, I need to spend. And then I also wanted to know what hotel they filmed at because I find that really interesting. It's the four Seasons in Thailand and you know that's going to become like the next big hot thing. Like that Italy hotel. Like good luck ever. Every hotel that's ever been featured.

[B]

Well, you know, I never watched season two, but that's not Like, I like the show, actually, because you can kind of jump back in, except that you kind of can't. The little brother's from Perfect Couple, so we just saw him.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, he's a little bro. That's, like, kind of like all he gets. Cast.

[B]

Classic little brother.

[A]

So. Oh.

[B]

Oh, my God. I didn't realize that the celebrity of the three Friends girls, Jacqueline. That's Michelle Monahan.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I didn't know that was Michelle Monahan.

[A]

And our queen, Leslie Bibb. We love Leslie Bibb.

[B]

Give Leslie Bibb all the jobs. All of them. She should be in every show. She's such a good actress. And. And she did amazing. But I saw in the credits, Michelle Monahan's in this. I'm like, oh, I love that for her. Like, after Tom Brady and everything, she'll.

[A]

Be on the Brutus.

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

That's Bridget Moynihan. I want to say you're not the only person who gets Bridget and Michelle, and they don't even have the same last name. Monahan and Moynihan.

[B]

Are you sure?

[A]

Positive.

[B]

Okay, so who's Michelle Monahan?

[A]

Classic actress. She reminds me of, like, an Amanda Pete, you know?

[B]

Yeah. She's just a gal.

[A]

Oh, that's so funny that you thought it was Tom Brady's ex wife. No, the one thing because I watched with Ben, and Ben had not seen season one or two, and I said, it's fine. It's just one of these shows that you can pick up. There is, like, a running theme that I. I don't think you know about with the Greg orange shirt guy.

[B]

Something to do with Jennifer Coolidge season one. He was her boyfriend there, right?

[A]

They meet at the hotel.

[B]

Oh, yeah, they have.

[A]

He's, like, fake locked out of his room. He's giving, like, con man we can't really figure out. But, you know, she's this lonely old woman. And then he, like, sees this wealthy woman, and he immediately, like, you know, drops everything to be there for her. And I think he was probably planning something with her. Then season two, which you missed, they show up as a couple, so they're, like, you know, together still after meeting in Hawaii. And he's very shady the whole season. He's, like, taking weird phone calls, and he has to leave early. And then she's, like, hanging out with these gays who are trying to murder her. And she.

[B]

They do, right?

[A]

Yes. But she's in their house, and she sees a picture of these gays and her man Greg, but he left. Like, how do you? So she's like, oh, my God. I'm being set up. Like, a lot of different things.

[B]

These gays are trying to murder me.

[A]

So he leaves the trip early, and then we find out last night he's been living in Thailand for the last year with this lady. So he is nefarious. But I do feel like. And I missed. I missed a lot of it. I didn't even realize.

[B]

So he's involved in her murder.

[A]

So he's just weird and shady, and that's, like, really all we know. And I kind of missed that. It wasn't until I saw, like, a TikTok recap being like, did you catch this White Lotus moment? I'm like, no. Yeah.

[B]

He's like, greg.

[A]

Yeah. I seriously, like, oh, guy in an orange shirt. Cool.

[B]

Yeah, cool.

[A]

The episode was boring, but we're setting the stage exactly.

[B]

And it's a nice environment.

[A]

It's par. Delicious.

[B]

I miss a pineapple room guy. Like, that was peak.

[A]

So pineapple room guy. I think, like, that role is the Patrick Schwartz.

[B]

Like, enraging, of course, but, like, I reference the pineapple room guy all the time.

[A]

Like, yeah, we've all been the pineapple.

[B]

If someone's, like, complaining about anything, I'm like, don't be the pineapple guy. And it's a really good and important lesson.

[A]

Yeah, it's so true.

[B]

And then there's some. So I didn't watch the second season. I'm sure I would enjoy it. They're just, like, very established characters. A little bit infuriating. Obviously very entitled. It's the way people behave on vacation. So we'll see what this season holds.

[A]

We will. But literally, when you're, like, obsessed with TV and celebrities, like, watching the White Lotus, this requires 20 minutes of research prior. Because it was just infuriating trying to place people.

[B]

Yeah, I was just. I didn't watch with anything else in mind. I was just, like, trying to be present. I feel like I was present.

[A]

So good of you.

[B]

And then also the guy in the first scene, Zion. Like, when does he come?

[A]

Because he was Belinda's son. Because she said, my son is coming.

[B]

And then he's looking for his mom.

[A]

Yeah. Right. So I think he gets there in a little bit.

[B]

Okay, that makes sense. I thought he was. I guess, but then I'm like, he's not here.

[A]

This is just the first season.

[B]

Belinda's in the second season. So she's also, like, a. Belinda's in every season. She's the common denominator.

[A]

Yeah, she's Exactly. Her and Jennifer Coolidge. But then Jennifer Coolidge is no longer with us. The last thing I wanted to say was this is the first time that it's not like a traditional hotel. It's like this wellness program. It was giving nine Perfect Strangers. I didn't finish it, but it was like that annoying.

[B]

Like, I didn't finish nine Perfect Strangers either, but it was.

[A]

Was. And I kind of. My favorite thing about White Lotus is, like, how classic hotel it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so much of this with, like, taking your phones away and, like, a diet program that's not really, like, what we've come to expect.

[B]

I was like, what is this, a fat farm? And I was laughing so hard. I didn't realize that's, like, a term everyone uses.

[A]

I. When. When her. When his girlfriend said, that is so on brand for you, being a victim of your own choices, like slay. I need to start using that. It's so true.

[B]

Is that even his girlfriend. There's something. There's something not girlfriend like.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, we'll see.

[B]

There's something weird with everyone. So we'll see on all counts. That's your White Lotus recap, and we'll try and stay up on it.

[A]

Yeah. The final part of today's show is Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment, where every Tuesday, Jackie and I read three submissions from girlies who have written into us desperately seeking advice from two extremely beautiful women. Beautiful. I want to say smart. I want to say stunning. And so if you ever want to write into us, you can do so one of two ways. Email us deartoasters gmail.com or head over to our website, thetostpodcast.com and there's a submission box. Both of those are totally anonymous. Thank you to everyone who wrote in. So, first up, we have a little bit of a breastfeeding issue. Hey, swirlies. I'm a nursing mom. I'm in the thick of postpartum. A good friend of mine who's also a mom and she's nursing came over to visit me this week, and we talked about how trying to get a shower in in a day can be really challenging with a newborn. My baby was napping, so my friend just told me to go take a quick shower. I've known her my whole life. I know she's safe, so I decided to go ahead. When I was in the shower, I heard my baby cry, and I got out. When I came into the room, my friend was nursing my baby. I confronted her, and she said she was trying to help and Comfort the child. She said I was being dramatic and that she didn't want to disrupt my shower. I'm deeply disturbed by this, and I feel like it was a huge violation and honestly, creepy. I honestly feel like our friendship is over. Is that weird? Is it not weird? Am I being dramatic?

[B]

Okay. Obviously not cool. You have to really put myself in this situation. Imagine like a friend. We're both like nursing mamas.

[A]

The friend is what makes it weird. Like, I think that if I was. If you were doing me a favor coming over and getting in the shower, the baby started crying, and you happen to have also just had a baby, and I came back and you were nursing my baby, like, I would not think that's weird because we're family.

[B]

Right? But I would ask you still, even being your sister, like, I would have to know. So that's like, really crazy that she did that. If it was a friend, I would just, like, also I would want to know, like. Like, are you guys aligned on other stuff? Like, what is she eating? Like, is it so perfect? Do you think, like, her milk. If her milk is like, fine and you guys are on the same page about everything. And so, like, it's more so about the, like, the not asking versus, like, what actually your child got. So I'm gonna go ahead and say, like, the milk was fine. It was just about the act of doing it. Right.

[A]

She's not like, doing meth and breastfeeding.

[B]

Right, right, right, right. I would have a conversation with her, but, like, there's a path to forgiveness, I think. You know, it's. I guess, like, she was trying to help.

[A]

It's not a militia coming, like, from a madness.

[B]

And just like, give yourself find comfort in the fact that, like, for centuries, this is what women did. Like the village.

[A]

What is that called? Wet nurse.

[B]

A wet nurse. Children breastfed off. It's really not a big deal. People even go to, like a breast milk bank and get other women's breast milk. So.

[A]

Yeah, but that breast milk has been tested, like, thoroughly.

[B]

Right? So that's why I'm like, if you. If this woman's milk, like, seems good.

[A]

To you, she makes good choices.

[B]

She makes good choices. Like, it's. You're aligned.

[A]

It's really crazy. Like, it's really crazy. Now. I think what you're saying is true. Like, there. I don't think there are gonna be implications, like, Right. Like negative health wise on the baby. But it's really crazy to nurse someone else's baby whom you're not related to. And you didn't ask.

[B]

Yeah. I just feel like anyone that I'm super, super close with would 100% ask me because I'm not close with a crazy person. Right. And so if it was someone that I'm not that close with that they felt like they wouldn't ask me. Yeah. I don't need to be your friend anymore because we weren't that close.

[A]

Yeah. But let's also. Let's put our. Our caps on. What is this woman going through? She's also postpartum because she's nursing.

[B]

Like, maybe she is out of her mind.

[A]

Heard the baby cry and it woke something in her instinctually. I don't know.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

The fact that she won't hear you out. Like, you told her that this upset you, and she, like, says you're being crazy. Like, that's a. That's a bad sign. Like, she should be receptive to your feedback.

[B]

Yeah, you're not being crazy. But, you know, it's also hard to make friends, like, especially mom friends, Motherhood. So, like, sometimes we just gotta be like, okay, you go this way. You think this. I think that. But let's, like, still.

[A]

But, like, touching someone's baby, like, I do fear.

[B]

Well, touching is. She was always going to touch him.

[A]

He was crying, you know, Sorry. Sticking your titty in someone else's baby.

[B]

Maybe we're all a little too uptight about it.

[A]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[B]

I don't think so. I mean, if it were me, like, seriously, I would punch you in the face.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I actually don't know some. I would not have someone in my house who would do this. So, like, it's really hard to put yourself in her. It is. What kind of friend? What level of friendship that the person is in my house when I have a baby? Like, so we're close.

[A]

So they're alone with the new babies.

[B]

But doesn't know me well enough to know. Like, this is just something I would ask.

[A]

And I just want to be clear. You are not being dramatic. You are not wrong for being upset. Your friend, who probably had good intentions, like, not being receptive to you saying this upset me. Like, that's probably, like, the most egregious part of this whole thing. Because she was trying to help. I don't think she was trying to be malicious. And she made a call and it was the wrong call. But so if you said, like, I don't like that, and that upset me, and she's like, well, you're wrong. That's where she's a bad friend because she was trying to help the baby.

[B]

I think, really, when I think about who would do this to me, it's like, is this someone that I like low key, want to cut out anyway? Because if it was like, let's evaluate the friendship. They say it was you. And I was like, claudia, what on earth are you doing? Don't ever.

[A]

Would you be mad?

[B]

Well, you're my sister, so like, it's kind of similar.

[A]

But no, I eat sugary cereal.

[B]

You do eat sugary cereal. I wouldn't like, be about it. I wouldn't be like, do that again. But I would 100% forgive you and we would move on because, like, I love you and I cherish our relationship and I want to work on things.

[A]

It's worth salvaging, you're saying?

[B]

Yeah. So evaluate the friendship.

[A]

Is the friendship worth salvaging?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This next one is so crazy and I wanted to tell you about it before we started recording so we could like gossip and giggle about it. But I think it's better to get your genuine reaction. My husband informed me this week that his best friend Johnny has been running a snark page for one of the biggest influencers of the moment. Johnny screenshots every single thing. This influencer post on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, et cetera and picks apart the girl's body, the girl's personality, life, everything. My husband told me that he refers to this as his second full time job. He has stopped conversations at their boys night multiple times to update the snark page. He responds to comments. I believe you guys have had stories and about this in the past, but I don't know if you have, so please help me out. Johnny has been seriously dating a girl for a few years now and she's become one of my best friends. My husband says that Johnny's girlfriend has no idea about this and my husband and his other friends have even told Johnny that he needs to be done with the snark page because it's really consuming him. Johnny's response was that he, quote, has created a community that he cannot abandon. Johnny has even told my husband that he will tell his girlfriend he's running errands, but really he just sits in his car needing to update the Reddit page. I feel like she needs to know about this. I mean, I would like to know if my husband spent 75% of his day picking apart another woman online, but is it my place? I do not want to ruin my husband and Johnny's friendship at this point. My husband can barely be around him due to Johnny being distracted by the Reddit page. If this was your best friend's boyfriend, what would you do? Is there a way I could drop Easter eggs that lead her to this without telling her her explicitly? Please help.

[B]

She needs to know 1000%. Because you just walk on over there and you tell her straight up. You don't need Easter eggs. You don't need to write us note. Dear Sam, the other night at Karma. Tell her straight up.

[A]

Yeah. This is so crazy. Like one. When I first read it I assumed it was just like a. Like a man influencer. I don't know why. So the fact that it's a man starting a snark page about. About anyone is so crazy. Like true sign of mental illness. But about a girl that's like freaky, like serious, like leads to violence. 100 this is really crazy behavior. And if. If my friends knew that my husband was doing something like this, that not only is like, you are. You have a job, you have a family. Like you have time commitments and you're spending half the day in your car on Reddit, like rotting. That's unacceptable. But also the implications on your mental health, like, actually scare me. I would not want to be living in a house with somebody that does that.

[B]

I 100 agree. Also, they're just dating right now. Like she like stop her from making like a big mistake.

[A]

Right?

[B]

You should 100. It's not like they are married.

[A]

Let's take it back to you. By the way.

[B]

I don't care if he talks about.

[A]

It with his friends. Like it's not everybody know.

[B]

Right? Everybody knows. But seriously, once this episode's over and listen till the end, walk on over there and tell her, yeah, you don't need to come up with some hijinks in order for her to know.

[A]

What, we should wait for something bad to happen? Because this person's like, obviously really crazy.

[B]

Just tell her straight up. And maybe she won't. It won't matter to her and she won't see it as an issue. And now she has all the information. Maybe she's the only one who could get him to like get to stop and come off his phone and pick up his head up and.

[A]

Yeah, did you see that? I forget which one it was. Like New York Magazine or New Yorker did a huge article on snark pages. And they interviewed anonymously. Like 10 or 20 girls who do influencer snark. And they just talked about how it's like one of the best things that ever happened to them. None of their friends or family know about it. It's just like really good like for their health to like. It was really crazy. You should read it.

[B]

I. I did not see it. I will read it.

[A]

Yeah. So this felt very appropriate because I was just reading. I was actually watching a TikTok recapping it because, you know, I wasn't reading the article. But it's really crazy behavior.

[B]

Yeah. Especially I mean for many women. Especially a man.

[A]

I know a lot of people like who lurk on pages like that and they like find it enjoy. Enjoyable. Very like schadenfreude. So there's different levels like lurking, participating, moderating.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. Our third and final. Hey Jackson. Claude, how you doing? I came out as a lesbian about five years ago. I recently and publicly started posting on my Instagram about my new relationship with a woman. Before coming out, I did date men and I had one year long relationship with a man. My ex boyfriend. And he has a podcast that I do not listen to as it's very, you know, for the guys, it's just him and his two buddies mostly talking about sports. They had a recent episode titled and discussed how my how my Ex turned me gay. I only found out because a mutual girl we have in common told me to listen to. So shout out to her. They never mentioned my name, but if you know us, it's extremely obvious that they're talking about me. If it was just a joke in passing, I wouldn't be bothered now. No, no.

[B]

How my ex turned me gay.

[A]

Yeah, I guess like they just are talking about her on the podcast.

[B]

But like, do you not see how the pronouns are confusing?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she's saying like they're making a joke. It's like my ex turned me gay because she's gay.

[B]

Oh, okay, sorry.

[A]

So she said if it was just a joke in passing, I wouldn't be as bothered as I realized my coming out probably did shake him up quite a bit. We broke up a year and a half before I came out. By the way, the podcast, he goes into detail about our sex life, things I did that should have been rainbow flags, which is like basically playing college sports and not wearing makeup. My girlfriend says I should just let it go, that he's a loser.

[B]

Rainbow flags. It's funny that term.

[A]

I cannot help but feel hurt. Our breakup wasn't good, but no one cheated or did anything nefarious. We have not spoken directly since the breakup, but we occasionally bump into each other at weddings and cordially say, hey, how are you? Should I text him and say, what the fuck? Take the podcast down or just let it go? Sincerely, your lesbian listener.

[B]

I think you got to let it go. This is his story. This is his life and his experience. He's telling it on his show now. I hope he has an audience. Otherwise, this is just, like, sad.

[A]

And by the way, you should find solace in knowing he most likely doesn't.

[B]

So, yeah, it's hard to get a.

[A]

Podcast to get listened to these days.

[B]

And it's unfortunate he's sharing, like, really private stuff. But it doesn't sound like he said the sex life. That. I don't like that. I don't like that. That's what people do every day on podcasts.

[A]

Yeah. It's like the culture. The thing is, in order for you to be happy, you have to let this go. Like, living in the past and judging up things, it's not good for you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To not let it go. So I wouldn't say anything. I don't need to, like, reinvigorate the conversations with this guy. But it does feel like Taylor Shreker's ex husband wrote into us because that's.

[B]

Literally her favorite thing to talk about, a podcast. But she does it, too.

[A]

No, no, I'm saying the listener is Taylor. Says Taylor Swift.

[B]

Right. But Taylor Strecker would never, I don't think, be mad if her husband went on a podcast and started talking about. Because she goes on her podcast and talks about her.

[A]

Was her former life. Yeah.

[B]

Right. So I think the answer for you is to start a podcast and take your power back.

[A]

Back. No, I wouldn't get in the mud with these actual losers. Like, why don't you go be happy? Like, it sounds like you.

[B]

Yeah, no, he did his episode.

[A]

You're in a beautiful relationship.

[B]

He told his story, like, okay, and. And then next week, there'll be a new episode. And. And that's it.

[A]

Yeah. And that's like. I also feel like the hard thing. It's like, obviously I'm not gay, so I don't know. But, like, when you come out, it's like, so your journey. Right. Like, it's. It's really all about you. But there are other people, especially if you've been romantically involved with them, who are a part of it in some small way. And while, you know, it might not be the way that you want it, like, they do have every right to, like, you know, say what that was like for them, even though it's not about them.

[B]

And it's like any breakup or any. So I think you just.

[A]

Just ignore, by the way.

[B]

Ignore. Yeah.

[A]

Don't give like the one thing.

[B]

His podcast shouldn't have even listened to it.

[A]

The one thing is podcast. Everyone else probably doesn't garner his attention and so you don't want to give that to him.

[B]

Yeah. Just move on from it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's all.

[A]

That's our show. You guys. Hope you enjoyed this partylicious episode. We're back tomorrow with lots of fun things in store, so don't forget to for sure tomorrow. What'd you say?

[B]

Trips to the cake?

[A]

Yeah. What about Clam B?

[B]

Oh, I would. I would love that.

[A]

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[B]

Love ya.

[A]

Bye.