Auntie Body For Auntie Anne's: Wednesday, March 18th, 2026

Summary

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The Toast – "Auntie Body For Auntie Anne's"

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: Wednesday, March 18th, 2026
Episode Overview:
This lively episode of The Toast is classic Jackie and Claudia: snappy banter, deep-dives into pop culture, candid confessions about daily life, and their ever-popular “Dear Toasters” advice segment. This week covers everything from family blanket wars to viral scandals in Mormon MomTok, with updates on co-sleeping, Broadway gripes, the latest White Lotus casting news, and excitement for the Hannah Montana anniversary special. The episode is a blend of personal revelations, culture commentary, and relatably hilarious hot takes.

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Main Themes & Highlights

• Personal Updates: Sleep struggles, parenting anecdotes, and “cover wars” in bed
• Entertainment Recaps: Thoughts on Ben Platt’s career, Broadway/movies, magic hobbyists, and the latest in Mormon influencer drama
• Pop Culture News: Taylor Frankie Paul’s domestic violence controversy, Sports Illustrated's cover drops, Hannah Montana’s reunion special, and new White Lotus cast announcements
• Advice Segment ("Dear Toasters"): Navigating co-worker relationships, grandparent boundaries, and “is my friend’s boyfriend gay?” dilemmas
• Memorable Banter: Magic tricks as a male hobby, the politics of breakfast potatoes, and the subtle art of panini making

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Detailed Breakdown

1. Opening Banter & Life Updates (00:03–11:31)

• Classic Toast Energy: The girls joke about “hump day,” migraines, and Jackie’s “anti-body” immunity (lighthearted riffing on antibody, “auntie’s body”).
• Claudia shares her experience overcoming a migraine and her (unexpected) mahjong triumphs.
• Notable Quote:
  Claudia (01:00): "Thank you to everyone who stood with me during that extremely difficult migraine that lasted all day long but didn't stop me from winning mahjong three times."

Bed & Blanket Wars (07:04–11:31)

• Claudia vents about her husband Ben yanking the covers back at night, calling it “the ick” and anti-feminist.
• "Covers are for girls. It’s like him boarding a lifeboat first." (Claudia, 08:16)
• The two discuss solutions (e.g., bigger duvets, getting an Alaskan King bed) and co-sleeping anecdotes – including family/dog pileups in bed.
• Claudia on next-life goals (10:05): “Dream, like, mood board for the next five or ten years… wherever I settle down… First purchase: Alaska.”

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2. Pop Culture Potpourri & TV/Movie Talk (11:31–26:17)

Magic, Mentalism & Men’s Hobbies (03:24–07:00)

• Jackie praises “Connor Leavitt, my businessman of the week,” for his magic tricks, lamenting that more men need hobbies beyond gambling apps.
• "What if you just did magic? Sleight of hand, like, duh." (Claudia, 03:53)
• The duo discusses tableside magicians, mentalists (ref: Oz Perlman), and how being “the magic guy” could change the vibe at parties.

Food, Cooking & Dining (13:28–20:48)

• Sourdough grilled cheese and tomato soup get the girls raving ("If you eat sandwiches like, somewhat frequently, making them in a panini press… it’s such an elite experience.” – Claudia, 19:14).
• Claudia on her husband’s “healthy” fried rice flop: “It was bad. I didn’t eat it… Fried rice just has to be fattening.” (15:16)
• The duo debates whether every meal needs to be “so delicious,” referencing toxic “skinny talk” on TikTok.
• Breakfast sides: What’s the deal with “breakfast potatoes”? The pair voice-memo ChatGPT to nail down “home fries” vs “hash browns” vs “breakfast potatoes.” (20:45–22:45)

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3. Main Stories & News Segments

Taylor Frankie Paul MomTok Scandal (26:22–44:44)

• Jackie and Claudia dissect TikToker Taylor Frankie Paul’s response to recent domestic violence accusations and the wave of public backlash.
• Notable Quote:
  Taylor Frankie Paul (audio, 29:30): “I’ve just been misunderstood for, like, years now… I’ve never touched my children. And so for me, it’s been… heartbreaking.”
• The hosts discuss the complicated history between Taylor and Dakota (her ex), the possible motivations for public statements, and the pattern of "sabotage" tied to both parties.
• “It reminds me of Johnny Depp and Amber Heard—both probably aggressors, no 360 view…” (Claudia, 33:06)
• They address brand fallout (Cinnabon dropping Taylor) and the uncomfortable blending of family, fame, and workplace.
• “Every single marriage [on that show]… things are not good for the slammus. They need a break.” (Claudia, 44:01)

Hannah Montana 20th Anniversary Special (45:20–48:46)

• “I watched the trailer and it gave me all the feels. I can’t friggin wait.” (Jackie, 45:46)
• Excitement is high for Miley’s singing (“The Climb,” “Best of Both Worlds”) and the nostalgia overload. The girls reminisce about Hannah’s wigs and changing looks over the years.

Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Release & Speculation (48:48–53:34)

• The duo debate whether Alex Earl’s newly released photo is a cover, speculate on who the cover(s) could be, and riff on Sports Illustrated’s approach: “I miss the days they’d decide on one person and that person was the biggest model that year.” (Claudia, 52:24)

White Lotus Season 4 Casting (54:19–56:41)

• “Max Greenfield, girl!” (Jackie, 54:35) – excitement for new and familiar names joining the show set along the French Riviera.
• Chatter about how White Lotus always mixes up famous faces and up-and-coming actors.

Zendaya & Tom Holland Marriage Rumor Debunked (59:45–62:22)

• Discussion of Zendaya’s appearance on Jimmy Kimmel, viral AI wedding rumors, and why it doesn’t matter to them if Zendaya and Tom are married.
• Fashion rewind: Zendaya rewears iconic white Versace gown and alludes to past “Fashion Police” drama.
• Claudia: “What I want to talk about is this movie … with Robert Pattinson – obsessed.” (60:34)

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4. Dear Toasters: Advice Roundup (62:29–76:03)

Three main dilemmas get addressed:

1. Workplace Boundaries:

   • A listener’s husband is being rumored to have a “thing” with an older female co-worker.
   • “Your husband needs what kids are calling boundaries.” (Claudia, 64:42)

2. Grandparent Boundaries & Childcare:

   • A mom struggles with her father-in-law ‘just showing up’ when MIL babysits.
   • “I need to know why he’s not your favorite person… But if it’s just that he’s rude or grumpy, still, he’s the kid’s grandpa – it’s fine.” (Jackie, 68:47)
   • The hosts draw the line between valid safety concerns (“is he unsafe?”) and basic family dynamics.

3. Is My Friend’s Boyfriend Gay?

   • Listener suspects her friend’s boyfriend is closeted due to his frequent solo/male-friend cruises.
   • Jackie: “Nobody needs to go on a cruise once a month unless you’re cruising.” (71:45)
   • Claudia pushes back: not everything about cruises is “gay,” maybe he’s just got a travel/points hobby, but, “Your friend’s boyfriend is hiding something major. Is it his sexuality?—I don’t think so.” (71:17)
   • Ultimately, they call out the letter-writer for being oddly invested and suggest “just ask.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• "Covers are for girls. It’s like him boarding a lifeboat first." – Claudia (08:16)
• "Speaking of magic… Connor Leavitt is my businessman of the week." – Jackie (03:24)
• "I need the bed that Khloe Kardashian has... that insanely large bed." – Claudia (09:15)
• "It was bad. Fried rice just has to be fattening." – Claudia (15:16)
• "I don’t know what highway Taylor found Dakota just sitting on." – Claudia (36:03)
• "If anybody I knew went on a cruise once a month I’d be like, are you okay?" – Claudia (75:03)
• “Maybe you need to look inward. Maybe it’s you.” – Claudia (75:52)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:03–01:21: Hump day banter, migraines, and mahjong wins
• 07:04–11:31: Blanket wars, bed sizes, and co-sleeping confessions
• 13:28–20:48: Food, panini presses, and breakfast potatoes voice-memo debate
• 26:22–44:44: Taylor Frankie Paul drama breakdown
• 45:20–48:46: Hannah Montana 20th anniversary special hype
• 48:48–53:34: Sports Illustrated swimsuit coverage speculation
• 54:19–56:41: White Lotus s4 casting news and thoughts
• 59:45–62:22: Zendaya rumors, Versace dress, and Oscars
• 62:29–76:03: “Dear Toasters” advice segment

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Tone & Style

The episode is energetic, fast-paced, and irreverent – full of playful teasing, sidebars, and relatable humor. Jackie and Claudia speak candidly, sometimes self-deprecatingly, and veer from dead-serious (child abuse accusations) to totally absurd (imagining a Cinnabon/Auntie Anne’s “antibody” collab). The language and tone are conversational, occasionally provocative, but always rooted in the Oshrys’ now-iconic “big sister” chemistry.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Mormon MomTok drama continues apace: The Taylor Frankie Paul situation is messy and unresolved, with consequences for both her career and the greater “momfluencer” ecosystem.
• Nostalgia reigns: The upcoming Hannah Montana special is set to be a highlight for fans of the genre.
• Jackie & Claudia’s advice is blunt but fair: Whether it’s blanket etiquette or whether to side-eye your friend’s cruise-obsessed boyfriend, the duo cuts through the drama to what matters.
• Entertainment world abuzz: White Lotus and Sports Illustrated both embrace unpredictability; pop culture watchers have plenty to anticipate and speculate over.
• The Toast’s community vibe thrives: The blend of deeply personal admissions and crowd-sourced dilemmas makes this episode a prime example of why fans keep tuning in.

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Summary by The Toast Podcast Summarizer | Episode: March 18, 2026

Transcript

[Jackie]

Good morning girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

[Claudia]

It's your favorite show.

[Jackie]

The best five things you need to know.

[Claudia]

We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.

[Jackie]

They sound amazing.

[Claudia]

Welcome back to the Toast. And happy hump day. Feels like a hump day because I'm sitting next to a girl who I know personally from my personal experience. She absolutely loves to hump and be humped.

[Jackie]

Me. Disgusting.

[Claudia]

This is a nice family friendly show and people listen in the car with their kids.

[Jackie]

It's so true. This is a nice family.

[Claudia]

But I'm just like. Like I. I have to be me, you know?

[Jackie]

And that's you. You can't help but let your freak flag fly.

[Claudia]

Cue wrecked.

[Jackie]

Well, welcome to the Toast. Happy Wednesday everybody.

[Claudia]

Feeling like an OG Wednesday. We used to do Dear Toasters every Wednesday. It was like hump day, Dear Toasters.

[Jackie]

And things got moved around TV recap.

[Claudia]

So we ended up sticking it on Tuesdays. But of course I had a migraine yesterday. Thank you to everyone who stood with me during that extremely difficult migraine that lasted all day long but didn't stop me from winning mahjong three times. Maybe I should have a migraine every time I play mahjong. Having. Sorry, I got derailed. No, no migraine today, Dear Toasters Will happen. No sunglasses. Even though these lights do feel very bright.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that's just the lights.

[Claudia]

I know.

[Jackie]

It is what it is. Glad you're feeling better.

[Claudia]

Me too.

[Jackie]

Glad you're feeling better. And Gruber is feeling better thanks to his aunties bodies. Hu wreck antibodies from his antibody from his auntie's body.

[Claudia]

Might I say it's looking fantastic.

[Jackie]

I've got the antibodies. I am anti body.

[Claudia]

I've got the magic in me. Ben Platter in that song.

[Jackie]

No, he made that song. Version is so good and it's so amazing. It's even better than how awful he is.

[Claudia]

Like yet again the plight of being Ben Platt's number one haters and having to acknowledge his enormous, like undeniable talent. Yeah, every time I touch that track, it turns into gold. I know, it's funny. Like, didn't his dad make that movie?

[Jackie]

No, I feel like that's one he didn't make.

[Claudia]

Oh, okay.

[Jackie]

He just got that role on his own marriage and that was really his first role.

[Claudia]

I was actually cracking up when we were talking about Ben Platt and somebody else wrote in the comments like the reason why they hate Ben Platt and it's actually so Valid. Ben Platt insisted, like, literally insisted beyond on playing Evan Hansen in the movie adaptation of the Broadway show, even though he was 28 at the time, having to play like a 15 year old. And honestly, he was wearing, like, prosthetic face and hair. He looked so stupid. Like, he did ruin the movie. I actually saw that movie, and I had to leave in the middle of the theater. I didn't like it. I was so bored.

[Jackie]

That movie did nothing. And it's crazy because the show was a cultural reset.

[Claudia]

Did you see the Broadway play?

[Jackie]

Of course. That's how you know. Because I don't take myself to Broadway.

[Claudia]

It was insane, the Broadway show. Like, insane.

[Jackie]

I had to see it. It was amazing.

[Claudia]

It was the best thing I'd ever seen.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And the movie was so bad, it did nothing, went nowhere. And, yeah, I would think I would say that that's Ben Platt's legacy.

[Claudia]

I, like, can't stop talking about Ben Platt. We talk about him every day.

[Jackie]

I was gonna say, like, speaking of. I've got the magic in me, two things. One, like, imagine how much more we would like it, like, if it was sung by someone. Of course it was. That wasn't Ben. So that's how, like, amazing it is, because still, I sometimes actually listen to that in my car. Two, speaking of magic, you know who else got the magic in him?

[Claudia]

Connor Leavitt.

[Jackie]

Connor Levitt. I just watched that part of slamu and I just want to say, like, Connor Leavitt is my businessman of the week.

[Claudia]

I love that Connor layout also.

[Jackie]

And now businessman, like, extends to just, like, people. Like, good people.

[Claudia]

Yeah, of course. And like, yes, he's not.

[Jackie]

Not a businessman.

[Claudia]

I feel like we're always talking about magical abilities, how, like, people, specifically men of this generation, like, need hobbies that aren't, like, gambling on their phones. Magic.

[Jackie]

What if you just did magic Sleight

[Claudia]

of hand, like, duh. And honestly, Zach Affleck's like, reception to that. Did you add up to that part?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Oh, you're pretty far. We're, like, almost caught up together now.

[Jackie]

Yeah, he. They were in, like, that cute, cute gym.

[Claudia]

Gym, like, when.

[Jackie]

Gotta go there.

[Claudia]

I just feel like Zach didn't receive the information in a manner that I needed him to.

[Jackie]

There's no perfect way to receive the news that your friend is magic. And I feel like he recovered very quickly. He did.

[Claudia]

He did.

[Jackie]

I think he thought it was, like, a little bit of. It's not what he was expecting. At first. He chuckled, and then he handled it like a supportive, good friend. And Made it like a thing, like o' Connor and his magic. And so, yeah, I would love to see you. If someone came to you in earnest and said, I've decided to do magic, let's role play.

[Claudia]

Come tell me you've done magic.

[Jackie]

No. Now you're prepared.

[Claudia]

No, I'm going to unprepare myself. Go.

[Jackie]

Literally could have said anything on earth and it would have been less surprising than I'm doing magic.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Only because it's not, like a popular hobby. No, it's sort of niche.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So then Zach was like, I want something like magic.

[Claudia]

Like, he totally saying your husband, like, husband loving magic. I know. He just, like, hasn't discovered that it's an option.

[Jackie]

The magic of magic.

[Claudia]

Correct.

[Jackie]

Even though we did see a magic show a few weeks ago that was fun.

[Claudia]

I mean, it was like, for toddlers.

[Jackie]

It was. But it was pretty magic.

[Claudia]

It was impressive.

[Jackie]

There were some things I'm like, how did he do that?

[Claudia]

Sleight of hand, actually. At the birthday party we went to over the weekend. Did you get in contact with magician?

[Jackie]

But I did not get in contact. Oh, he, like, love a table.

[Claudia]

He met his match. When he came over to me and Ben's like, I was into it, but to a certain point, Ben was like, another one. Another one. The guy did, like, all of his tricks on us. Like, he had none left.

[Jackie]

You love a tableside magician.

[Claudia]

I do. It is a fun, like, cool thing to throw at a party or a dinner party. I think it's nice and, like, it's good old family, good old fashioned fun.

[Jackie]

It's not really for me. It just goes into the bucket of, like, games and, like, things that are not for me. Unless you're Connor Lee of it. Then I will book you for every party.

[Claudia]

And, you know, there's also, like a sect. It's not really magic. It's like mentalism.

[Jackie]

Yes. Like that famous guy.

[Claudia]

Yeah. He was just on the good guys. Ben was shook.

[Jackie]

Did he guess Ben's pin?

[Claudia]

He guessed something, like, really deep.

[Jackie]

You ever see the clip of him on Joe Rogan where he guessed Joe

[Claudia]

Rogan's pen ATM pin? Yes. That's like his shtick. And it's like, written in his wallet, you know. Should we have him on?

[Jackie]

Sure.

[Claudia]

Yeah. My pin is 1, 2, 3, 4.

[Jackie]

So what did he guess of Ben?

[Claudia]

I don't remember. Ben was telling me, like, Ben never does what I need him to do. Ready?

[Jackie]

Do they have Oz on or, like, just a random mentalist Oz?

[Claudia]

Oh, the one Pelman, the Jew.

[Jackie]

Yeah, Yeah. I wanted to have a mentalist come for something. Oh, he should go on Traders.

[Claudia]

A mentalist.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

That's a great idea.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Free idea. Oz, though, I think he would win. Like, he would know in two seconds. Right, Right. That would be child's play for him.

[Claudia]

Right. Like, reading eyes and, like. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Lips. In two minutes, he would know.

[Claudia]

Totally.

[Jackie]

Unless he was a traitor himself.

[Claudia]

Right. But then I feel like everybody, they would automatically accuse him because he's a mentalist.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Same way. It's like you're a housewife or whatever.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But just, like, I think that would be cool.

[Claudia]

So, yes, we. I'm sure we have some secret lives and Mormon knives stories. Right. So we'll talk about the progress we've made in the show. We also have deer toasters. I wanted to ask you something.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

I had a conversation with my husband last night, and, like, okay, so he did something, like, kind of crazy, and it gave me the ick. Oh. So. And he's been doing it a lot recently. And I keep meaning. But it happens in the middle of the night, and I keep meaning to, like, talk to him about it. And last night before bed, I finally remembered. I'm like. So I guess I'm a bit of a cover hog. Like, okay, sue me. I'm just a girl. Like. And I don't. Like. I don't do it with bad intention. I don't think, like, I want Ben to be cold. I just think, like, I need more blanket. And recently he's been, like, tugging it back, like, really hard. And I just thought that was really, like, icky and weird. Like, don't you feel like the blanket is for the girls?

[Jackie]

Like, yeah.

[Claudia]

Like, find other arrangements. You're taking blankets now away from me, the mother of your child?

[Jackie]

No. And, like, being cold is so not manly.

[Claudia]

Men used to go to war, and now they're stealing blankets from women. I just. I thought it was insane and I meant to tell him. And he steals it very aggressively. And something that I do that I guess I just don't realize in my sleep is, like, when I take the covers.

[Jackie]

Yeah, you. Then you, like, bundle yourself.

[Claudia]

I take them with me. So when he pulls them back, I'm, like, wrapped up in it. And I do, like, a full 360. He unwraps me. It's a very. A jarring way to wake up. And I just. I don't know, I feel like he could find other arrangements, like put on socks.

[Jackie]

If a man and a woman both need covers. And there's only enough cover for one. Like, it would go to the woman. Yeah.

[Claudia]

I don't know. It's like him boarding a lifeboat. First covers are for girls.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I agree.

[Claudia]

Okay. I'm glad.

[Jackie]

Two things. So I feel like, one, I don't know when it happens in life, but, like, you stop fighting over covers, you know?

[Claudia]

Hasn't happened to me yet.

[Jackie]

But two, I actually saw something recently. Did you know that? Oh, I guess. I don't know what you would do for a king bed, but, like, if you're in a queen bed, like, you should get a king duvet.

[Claudia]

Yeah, of course.

[Jackie]

But what do you do in a king bed?

[Claudia]

California king. Or you get two queen duvets. But how do you make the bed?

[Jackie]

Yeah, no, I, I. In a king bed, maybe you get a Alaskan king. Because also, California is just tall.

[Claudia]

Yeah, right. Longer.

[Jackie]

But let me tell you, I'm eyeing an Alaskan king.

[Claudia]

A thousand.

[Jackie]

And I saw one. I think I sent it to Zach, maybe to you. It's called a Florida K. There's like, a company down here that makes huge beds because a lot of people like co sleeping. It's the new frontier. And it's not even co sleeping.

[Claudia]

Like, seriously, the bed is not big enough for the two of us. No.

[Jackie]

The bed is not big enough for

[Claudia]

the family or just the two of us.

[Jackie]

Always all of us in bed.

[Claudia]

Plus, Bruno do it.

[Jackie]

Like we need.

[Claudia]

I need the bed that Khloe Kardashian has, like, that insanely large bed. What's Alaskan? I've never heard of that.

[Jackie]

Alaskan is what you think California King is.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

California King is actually not much bigger. It's just longer. Alaskan is wider.

[Claudia]

And they sell them at what sorts of facilities?

[Jackie]

Like, online.

[Claudia]

You could order one, but I guess you can't be particular about, like, the mattress type because there aren't, like, a

[Jackie]

lot in the headboard. Yeah.

[Claudia]

What do you do? You have to have a custom made.

[Jackie]

You could do custom People get custom headboards. Anyway, even if we're a king bed,

[Claudia]

it seems like a big project. Like, maybe one day when I find

[Jackie]

my forever home feature in your life.

[Claudia]

Yeah, but, like, I bop around, you know, I'm a renter. Two years here, two years there. Like, I can be bringing around my Alaskan king bed. I don't think Roadway has enough room, actually.

[Jackie]

No, they do. Like, if they're breaking down a king bed, it's literally no different.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

My Alaskan king.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I don't know if it'll fit in the service Elevator.

[Jackie]

It will, like, it will definitely, like,

[Claudia]

dream, like, mood board for the next five or ten years of my life. Like, whatever I find, wherever I'm going to live, I don't know where the hell, like, when I settle down and I have my forever apartment, home, whatever. First purchase, Alaska.

[Jackie]

The only thing is, like, when it's just Zach and I sleeping in the bed, like, we'll never see each other. I don't know.

[Claudia]

That's what I'm saying. Like, me and Ben have always had a king bed. And maybe because we've always had it, we're like, take it for granted. It's tiny.

[Jackie]

It's tiny because we only got Romeo bed when we moved to Florida. Romeo, like, for the first three years of our marriage, in our whole relationship, we were rocking the queen.

[Claudia]

And I have to say, you and Zach having a queen bed together, like, okay, to each their own. You want to be crazy, Go for it was so beneficial for me because

[Jackie]

every family trip, when we would go

[Claudia]

on a family trip and we would, like, rent these houses, some rooms were king beds, some rooms were queen beds. Obviously the king bedrooms always were just better rooms because they were more like primary suites. Suites. Ben and I couldn't sleep in a queen bed. Like, we live in a king bed. So Jackie and Zach were like, well, we sleep in a queen bed. I guess we could take the queen room, the lesser room. So that was fun. I appreciated that. Over.

[Jackie]

I took time off and now it's game time.

[Claudia]

She remembered the viral tick tock sound.

[Jackie]

Who says it?

[Claudia]

Nicki Minaj. Wait, no.

[Jackie]

Sometime.

[Claudia]

Yes, yes, yes. And now it's game time.

[Jackie]

Now that's a good one. Game tunes rebrand.

[Claudia]

I love that.

[Jackie]

Let's get into the stories. We have a lot to discuss, a lot of news that will segue into other stories and such.

[Claudia]

Oh, I did something crazy last night.

[Jackie]

Crack.

[Claudia]

Actually crazier. A little bit crazier than that. I just remembered that I have free will. And so, like, I took Ruby out of his crib when he was sleeping and put him in my bed.

[Jackie]

Like, don't you do that every night?

[Claudia]

No, I like, rock him to sleep. It's like a whole process. I tried to do it last night and he was like, not having it. He was like, put me in my crib. So I put him in his crib. And then like an hour later, I was like, you know what?

[Jackie]

You need some Gruber. Yeah, Yummy.

[Claudia]

I know that psychos against, you know, sleep training 101. But, like, whatever.

[Jackie]

She's in her co sleeping era. Get her that Alaskan king.

[Claudia]

Correct. I need a bed with, like, a bassinet built in.

[Jackie]

I thought you were going to say that you took Romeo out of his crate.

[Claudia]

No. Why would I do that?

[Jackie]

No, honey. What kind of mother do you think I am?

[Claudia]

Romeo's actually been, like, kind of sweet recently. Ben went to New York for the Spritz Keels launch, and I had to. He was. Took the 6:00am flight and a 6:00pm flight. So, like, he was just gone during the day. Like, during the four walks. And I had to do them. Like, all of them. It was kind of insane. I can't believe I used to do that all the time with Romeo. Like, okay. Like, it was just like. Like, why am I standing outside at night? It was so weird.

[Jackie]

Like, yeah, that's rough.

[Claudia]

I know. I was thinking, and I was really, like, how long can I stretch? Like, can I cut? He does four walks.

[Jackie]

Can I do three brut to do stretches? He's a stretcher.

[Claudia]

Yeah, but Bruno has a backyard. You just, like, open up your back door.

[Jackie]

You'd be surprised.

[Claudia]

Yeah, right? It's just, like, it should be easier.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like, the other night, Zach was like, bruno needs to go out. He was, like, shouting to me. So I was like, okay. But the amount of things that came in my way before I could get. I never did it.

[Claudia]

This is how. This is how you take Bruno out?

[Jackie]

No, but, like, I was walking to the door to take him out.

[Claudia]

So you fell? No, no, no.

[Jackie]

Like, Charlie needed this and I needed that. He started the bath, and then, like, I totally forgot. An hour later, I was like, you need to take Bruno. Like, I never made it to the door.

[Claudia]

Well, you do have a big house.

[Jackie]

Things happen. Yeah, things happen on the way to the door.

[Claudia]

Now I feel like.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I feel like, oh, you know what I made last night? A tomato soup.

[Claudia]

You know what's a fun fact about me? She really liked tomato soup, but only when it's, like, a topping for my grilled cheese.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I made sourdough grilled cheese.

[Claudia]

That's delicious.

[Jackie]

It was very delicious.

[Claudia]

Oh, I gotta tell Ben to make that for me. If you guys ever find yourself in need. The Lowe's Regency Hotel, where Tom was spotted kissing another woman who wasn't his wife, Luann. They have the best grilled cheese and tomato soup. Like, it is fat, fat, fat. It's butter, cheese, cream. Like, it's fucking delicious.

[Jackie]

I'll have to try it. But honestly, I don't know if it could be better Than, like, homemade sourdough grilled cheese.

[Claudia]

Next time you're in New York, tomato soup from scratch. We'll do a Patreon taste test.

[Jackie]

Okay. You know, sometimes now, dining out, it's. It's like lost its luster.

[Claudia]

And maybe fried rice last night, better than the restaurant. Okay, so Ben went golfing. And because it gets so dark, it gets late.

[Jackie]

It's okay.

[Claudia]

What am I trying to say?

[Jackie]

It gets late. It gets dark late. So late.

[Claudia]

He did like a three o' clock tea time because it was raining. And then, like, whatever. He was golfing with his actual new best friend, Jared Free. Did I tell you that Ben's best friend. I always look over Ben's texting Jared Free.

[Jackie]

They're like, no, I knew that they were.

[Claudia]

And we knew that they would love each other.

[Jackie]

I knew that they were friends, but I didn't know they were best friends yet.

[Claudia]

Best friends. So they golfed yesterday. And so Ben, like, got home, like, super late, so he knew he would have to make arrangements for his family. So he made us chicken rocks. And I, I just asked for chicken rocks and rice, you know, and of course, Ben goes above and beyond. He's like, he calls me. He's like, I just left. The food is in the fridge. I made you chicken rocks and fried rice. I love fried rice. But, you know, it's on a bit of a health journey. So we made it like a, like, clean, like, you know, not a ton of butter. Because if you ever see that, make it up any. Hana. Oh, my God. It's insane. When I tell you it was so disgusting. Like, I'm sorry. Fried rice just has to be fattening.

[Jackie]

Oh, no.

[Claudia]

I'm like, what is this missing? Oh, yeah, the good stuff. Like, any.

[Jackie]

Is there egg?

[Claudia]

Yeah, of course. Egg is not fattening.

[Jackie]

No, no. But I'm like, he went. He made egg.

[Claudia]

He made egg. Yeah, yeah. Like, he went all out. And I felt bad. He was like, how was it? And look, when somebody tells you that some. Like, it was so thoughtful. Right.

[Jackie]

Was there anything wrong with it or. It just wasn't mighty tasty.

[Claudia]

It was bad. Like, I didn't like, here. I didn't eat it.

[Jackie]

I saw. But, like, as long as it wasn't rancid. I saw a reel that came across my. My desk from one of those, like, toxic skinny talk people. Not Liv Schmidt, but like, someone who

[Claudia]

wants to be like, here's how I say my calorie deficit by drinking boiling hot water.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah, but it was like, hot take, like, Food doesn't have to taste good. Like, it doesn't have to be, like, so not everything you eat needs to be, like, so delicious. Like, just eat something, like, healthy.

[Claudia]

Oh, I don't agree with you.

[Jackie]

No, like, that was her hot. And, like, I'm not saying I was like, not everything needs to be, like, the most delicious. Creamy.

[Claudia]

Like, well, that's.

[Jackie]

There wasn't anything wrong with the rice, and it was healthy good.

[Claudia]

It was bad good. These were the two philosophies. Like, people who treat food as. Who, like, eat to live and live to eat.

[Jackie]

I'm like, I. I don't live with that person. And I wouldn't say, like, everything needs to be, like, so creamy delicious. But I understand what you should be saying. It's like, not everything needs to be, like, so tasty all the time. Like, it's fuel.

[Claudia]

You know, it's a good thing.

[Jackie]

But I'm also, like. I'm like, it also. I like it to be tasty.

[Claudia]

It's a good thing that you are not, like, an active user on Tick Tock, because let me tell you, like, some of your takes, like, they would hate, like, wait, what do you mean? Like, skinny talk is the devil. Right? It's like, the most worst thing. And you see it. You're like, she. Oh, yeah.

[Jackie]

But, like, I feel like that's fair. Like, even some people who are really extreme, like, you could probably find, like, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Like, I can find some truth in what she's saying. Like, not every meal needs be, like, cinnamon.

[Claudia]

Right, Right. Like, savory, gluttonous.

[Jackie]

Sometimes you should just be like, an oatmeal. That's not going to taste amazing, but it's going to be good for you.

[Claudia]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, You. Well, that's why I had scrambled eggs this morning. Gagging in between. But don't I look stronger?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Starting your morning off with eggs, which has become, like, a thing Ben's been doing until, like, the last two days. Only when there's bread. I can't have eggs without bread. Do you feel that?

[Jackie]

Like, oh, yes. I need a continental breakfast.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Yeah. So we got wild. We finally. We have had a wild grain in the freezer for, like, three years, and we finally put it in the oven.

[Jackie]

It's so good. So good.

[Claudia]

So I saw the loaf, and I was like, sure, I'll have some eggs. And that was yesterday and today. And I do feel like, like, jacked.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I also like a little potato when I'm hat. When I'M going egg and horse.

[Claudia]

But Jackie, not everything needs to be like so creamy and delicious.

[Jackie]

It's true. Like, I'm sorry.

[Claudia]

So why are you having potatoes Patty?

[Jackie]

No, I'm not. I said I like it, but I. What, what potato am I having?

[Claudia]

You know what?

[Jackie]

Actually, potatoes take forever to cook.

[Claudia]

Let's. Oh. Last night I watched Joanna Gaines, Magnolia table. Magnolia table. Ben was looking for a cooking show. He was like non stop. I hate when Ben has the clicker. Like, it's just a painful. We finally landed on Joanna. He was just like choosing an episode. We watched brace short ribs and gnocchi. She was like, this is her like modern take on just like meat and potatoes, pot roast and mashed potatoes. Like she did.

[Jackie]

Oh, that's so fancy. Yeah, that's like, that's surprising.

[Claudia]

She took fore to make these noi, like everyone hand rolled and like to be honest, she kind of burned them and they didn't look great. Her. Her short ribs looked amazing. Her show was so random.

[Jackie]

What did Ben think about it? I could see them not vibing.

[Claudia]

He thought that her kitchen was so beautiful. Like every pot pan, like every utensil is really like chosen with a meticulous eye. It's very beautiful. He was like, I love that kitchen. Like that oven, you know she has like that weird old timey oven. Yeah. Insane. And he said, I just have a feeling this food doesn't taste good.

[Jackie]

Oh, I've made her recipes from her cookbook and every single one is great.

[Claudia]

So Ben will be making her hazelnut bread pudding that she made for dessert with this thing last night.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Oh, and you know, I originally got this tomato soup grilled cheese idea because I got my panini press when I was watching a lot of Aina when I was pregnant. Because she. It's actually her. Yeah. She inspired me to make a get a panini present. Honestly, it's been a better. One of my better purchases.

[Claudia]

If you do eat sandwiches like somewhat frequently and making them in a panini press, like seriously, no matter the type of sandwich, it's such an elite experience. Like those crispy lines. What's your favorite type of sandwich to put in a press?

[Jackie]

I've really only done the grilled cheese.

[Claudia]

A grilled cheese is like up there.

[Jackie]

But I should do like a tomato mozzarella.

[Claudia]

I love like a chicken panini. Like a chicken sandwich in a panini press. Like make that make now purchase. Yes.

[Jackie]

Oh. Oh, but it's different to make it.

[Claudia]

No, of course. But like, I'm just saying panini Weren't we talking about paninis?

[Jackie]

Panini, yeah. Yeah, I guess it is a panini press. You're just saying your favorite panini, but not to make.

[Claudia]

I asked you, like, what's confusing? I asked.

[Jackie]

I saw you mean my favorite panini, like, to make at home.

[Claudia]

Just like you leave your panini and you can make them or buy them. I don't discriminate personally, but it sounds like you do.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I do. Definitely. There's definitely something that only a restaurant could do that I. That immortal could not.

[Claudia]

You know what actually only a restaurant can do because you were just talking about, like, potatoes that go with eggs. I feel like sides of potatoes, like, with breakfast is so all like the stringy hate. I only like the little square ones. They kind of. I think they serve them in the Delta Sky Lounge. Is that what they're called? I think hash browns are the ones that look like stringy potatoes. What are the ones that are just like square potatoes and they have. And they have home fries. Okay, wait, home fries is what they serve at a diner. The stringy potatoes. Okay, what was hash browns?

[Jackie]

But hash brown is like a latke.

[Claudia]

Yeah, hash brown is a latke. What are the square potatoes that have,

[Jackie]

like, little chunks of pepper? Home. Home style. Home style potatoes.

[Claudia]

Me, home potatoes. What the hell are they called? You know what? You know who's gonna know what I'm talking about?

[Jackie]

Yeah, Ask Chat. Chat will know.

[Claudia]

Oh, it might just be breakfast potatoes. Okay. But you know, my new favorite thing to do with Chad is. Is not text, but like voice memo, you know? Do you ever do that?

[Jackie]

No, I don't.

[Claudia]

Oh, you don't?

[Jackie]

I do talk to text.

[Claudia]

No, this.

[Jackie]

Okay. Okay, so look, I'll let you go be nicer. You got.

[Claudia]

Hi. Okay, so I just can't remember what, like the name of this thing is. It's the potatoes that come with eggs. But it's not like the classic home fries that look are stringy. Like, it's those square potatoes that are, like baked and then they have little chunks of red peppers in them. Do you know what I'm talking about? I've got you.

[Jackie]

Yours is a girl of something like

[Claudia]

breakfast potato hash, or scrap skillet potatoes. They're often cubed, roasted, or pan fried. And those red pepper chunks.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Color and sweetness. They're a super popular. Can you show me a picture? I can't show you an exact picture on the spot, but if you picture golden crispy. She's having me use my imagination.

[Jackie]

She said actually the Other day, I

[Claudia]

asked her, like, I'm not loving your voice. Can we switch it up? Like, to a man? And she said, yes and then didn't change.

[Jackie]

I was shocked that that's a woman. I know my dad is a man. I just know it. Should I talk to it?

[Claudia]

Yeah. It also.

[Jackie]

Should I say, like, what?

[Claudia]

Like how they'll be like, hey, how are you? And then we'll see what type of voice it has. Mine's a woman. Because I support women.

[Jackie]

I will be so surprised. Hold on. I'm just. I'm having a rough one. Okay.

[Claudia]

With a boy?

[Jackie]

Yeah. Well, I just had to select one.

[Claudia]

Oh. Oh.

[Jackie]

Then that was Ember.

[Claudia]

Maybe I selected a boy.

[Jackie]

Okay. Should I do it still?

[Claudia]

It sounds like you just did it.

[Jackie]

Hello.

[Claudia]

Hello. What's on your mind? Oh, I don't know.

[Jackie]

I was just wondering what your voice sounded like.

[Claudia]

I miss you.

[Jackie]

You sound like you're flirting.

[Claudia]

I'm glad you asked. I'm here to chat with you however

[Jackie]

you need, whether it's just curiosity or something specific.

[Claudia]

You sound so sexy.

[Jackie]

Don't.

[Claudia]

Don't.

[Jackie]

Oh, my God. It was a video chat. Was he like,

[Claudia]

that's. I've never done that. Oh, you're. You're like, so you're saving.

[Jackie]

Oh, my God.

[Claudia]

You're. You're a cam girl. Like, we're in love. You kind of are.

[Jackie]

I gave him the wrong impression.

[Claudia]

We have dillied so much.

[Jackie]

We have. Let's get into the stories. Okay.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Without further ado, to do is time for the past five stories that you do need to know.

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Cozy Earth is my bedding of choice. It is so comfortable. The colors are so cute. I have a pink set and I have a cream set and so I switch back and forth. Also my bed is so comfortable that now like the boys won't go in their own beds because they're like your bed is so cozy. So then I got them Cozy Earth comforters for their bed. They have like twin sized.

[Claudia]

When I love it was pregnant I was at Jackie's house. Obviously I feel like I spent my whole pregnancy there and I was just like not doing well and Jackie was like let me make you a nap. Like she was like, she put like the special eye mask on I got in her bed. When I tell you I took and I wasn't a good napper in pregnancy, I took one of the best naps ever that I actually went home and bought like a shit ton of Cozy Earth. It's just really great. They make great pajamas, great bedding. Discover how care in every detail transforms simple routines into moments of true comfort and ease. Head to cozy earth.com use our code toast for up to 20% and if you get a post purchase survey be sure to mention that you heard about Cozy Earth right here on the toast. So the comforters and also check out their socks. I love like I feel like socks. That's what I was saying to Ben. Like in order to be warm you just need a good pair of socks. And I think that the ones from Cozy Earth I should get Ben a pair so I can start sleeping with the Cozy Earth blanket. If you get a post purchase survey when you shop at Cozy Earth, be sure to Mention that you heard about Cozy Earth right here on the toast and use our code toast for up to 20% [e-mail] thank you, cozy Turt. You're welcome.

[Jackie]

Not cozy shirt.

[Claudia]

Just you're welcome.

[Jackie]

Could I be cozy shirt?

[Claudia]

You're welcome.

[Jackie]

I didn't realize you were mad at me.

[Claudia]

Yes, I am. I'm waiting for you to bring it up.

[Jackie]

Our first story, Taylor Frankie Paul is breaking her silence after domestic violence investigation News. So TFP attended a press preview for her upcoming season of the Bachelorette. Yikes.

[Claudia]

Which yikes.

[Jackie]

Next week. And she spoke about the ongoing investigation and the drama. This is what she said. She said, honestly, just like, my heart hurts to see it, to go through it, especially at this time. Just the timing is hard and it's a big deal. I feel like every premiere that I've experienced, I've never enjoyed fully. So this is another one. It's extremely hard and it took everything to get me here today. It's just heavy. It's a heavy time and it's unfortunate. I'm struggling, for sure. But also at the same time, I feel like if I don't show up, then I'm just giving these opportunities away and not enjoying what we've worked on in something super exciting that's coming. I just feel like it was the right thing to do, show up, even though it's hard.

[Claudia]

So I've had a bit of a change of heart, and it was largely due to, like, seriously, two tick tocks that I saw discussing this matter. There was another statement she gave, I think, to Entertainment Weekly where she, like, flat out said, like, I've never put a hand on my children. Which I kind of, like, needed to hear her say.

[Jackie]

Yeah, because she doesn't say that.

[Claudia]

And this was a statement that came out first. And I was like, do you want to address, like, this sort of hate, this allegation being made against you? Now, I've listened to a couple of things that I don't know. I. There's. To me, there's two possibilities of what's going on here, and I just, like, really don't know which is the truth. Somebody left a comment yesterday that I actually really appreciated that in situations like this, the person who, like, makes the reports to, like, DCFS and calls the police is more often than not the aggressor. And, like, it's like a means of manipulating and, like, another form of abuse. And Dakota is the one. And then I was reading all these TMC articles that, like, said, Dakota, it's like, very much like, from his POV and a lot the situation that they're talking about, like, there was an incident in the car and another incident. One of those incidents was over a year ago, and the other one was, like, three months ago. Why they're coming out, like, the week of her premiere is giving me a little bit of suspicion. And then somebody posted this clip of Macy and Layla on the vial files, like, maybe last season. Like, Taylor was supposed to be there and she didn't come. And Macy and Layla are just very open with Nick being like, no, no. Like, when we have premieres or, like, there are exciting things coming out, like, Dakota, like, sabotages them. So, like, when we have good news or whatever, like, we don't tell Dakota because he, like, is obsessed with. With sabotaging it in the moment that it's supposed to come. So, like, when they were supposed to go on biofiles today, which they were really excited about, like, Dakota found out and, like, did something and then Taylor couldn't go on the interview or whatever. So I've just been like, watching all these tick tocks that I think are designed to, like, make me believe Taylor. And now I'm feeling like. Like I. Like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

[Jackie]

Here's the thing. I'm prepared to believe Taylor or, you know, champion her if I have anything to go on.

[Claudia]

I know, I know.

[Jackie]

It's just feeling sucks.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I didn't see the one that you're saying, but if she said, I never laid a hand on my child, like, I will pray and hope that that's true. It's really hard because I feel like then what we want me to play for you.

[Claudia]

I said on Liz would story, like,

[Jackie]

just of her saying it.

[Claudia]

Yeah. It was like an audio.

[Jackie]

And for the viewers, we all need to hear that. We need all of the. All of the pieces of information in this puzzle.

[Claudia]

Give me a second. She's got a lot of stories.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Yeah, no, probably.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Feel like show me.

[Claudia]

I've just been misunderstood for, like, years now. And it just would be so freeing to, like, tell the whole story of it, you know? And I feel like I've just done a lot of protecting for my child and my family to really not get into that. And, you know, I've never touched my children. And so for me, it's been. To see those headlines has been heartbreaking. And. And my family obviously is all affected. Like, they all know who I am. I know who I am. So for Everyone in the public eye to, like, just elude and believe it is really hard. But, yeah, it's just. Sorry. It just sucks to bring it to Bachelor. What do we have in store? She tried to talk about, like, a season, but I would say this is a dramatic one. But I think just because things were done a little differently this time. Did you go into this with an open heart?

[Jackie]

I did.

[Claudia]

I think I was very nervous to do it, obviously. Obviously. Now, part of the reason why I think people are having a hard time believing Taylor, Frankie, Paul is we're watching this play out while also watching the season. And it's one of her worst seasons. Like, she's just. And it doesn't even really have so much to do with Dakota, but it's also. She's, like, you're. It's. She's difficult to champion because you see, like, he's nice to her for three seconds at the pickleball thing, and she's, like, lit from within. And then she's, like, so awful to her mom. She's just in, like, a really bad spot. So it's difficult for people to see her in a positive light and, like, champion and believe her. No.

[Jackie]

And so when I hear that, of course, like, my heart breaks for her because if this isn't true, then her life is literally going to be ruined by this. Like, brand's already dropping her. Nobody wants to be associated with this. It's the worst thing that really you could say about a person. And so now she's. It sounds like she's saying, like, there's more, like, drama and toxicity with Dakota than we even know, more than just what we've seen, which is, like, the lying and the cheating and she doesn't share to protect her son. So what. I don't know what I'm watching. And if that's true, then, like, how are you in any way endeared to Dakota?

[Claudia]

I know.

[Jackie]

I know at these events, like, if he is more awful than what we've seen, which is pretty bad. And it's like, run. We're all saying run, even based on what we've seen, but there's even more. So it's like, why are you engaged with him at all? And I understand they have a child together, but she has said. And it seems like, though nothing is what it seems, he's a decent dad.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So can it just be, like, co parenting and, like, move forward? The fact that she's, like, stuck in the past and, like, like, loses her mind over the smallest things, it's like, yeah, he's terrible and he can be terrible, but, like, you can only control your reaction and you're failing on that part.

[Claudia]

Well, so this, what we're watching is what, like October.

[Jackie]

Like, when this is October Dancing with the Stars.

[Claudia]

So, like, a significant amount of time has passed. And then I also read an interview. She said, like, like I said, these incidents were actually a long time ago. And since then they have no communication. They do co parenting through a third party.

[Jackie]

Like, why did she call him 150 times in 990 minutes a couple months ago? Why even three months is she throwing a drink on him in the car?

[Claudia]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Jackie]

And I would be more like, if he has a story to share and so does she, Like, I am feel like more inclined to believe her. He is a proven liar.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Yeah. He's a bad trap.

[Jackie]

He lies like he breathes.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

He can't not lie.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And I guess, like, of all the things people do say about Taylor, Frankie, Paul, like, not being a truth teller is not one of those things.

[Jackie]

She's too much of a truth. Right.

[Claudia]

She blew up the swinging scandal.

[Jackie]

Like, she can, like, she can't help but be honest.

[Claudia]

But you also, like, don't really know what goes on behind closed doors. Like, it is entirely possible that, like, I don't know. I don't know.

[Jackie]

But the information that he does, like, blow up every premiere is germane here.

[Claudia]

And that's what she's saying in that statement, which kind of made no sense until, you know, that she's like, I've never been able to enjoy a premiere.

[Jackie]

Yeah. There's always something that on the show, even I think at the last premiere that was on the show, it was when she found out about the mom's friend thing.

[Claudia]

Correct. You know who these two remind me of?

[Jackie]

Who?

[Claudia]

Johnny Depp and Amber Heard, where it's like, they're both probably aggressors and abusive. I think it's like, worse from them coming from the man always. But, like, no one, we're never gonna get a true 360 view of it. And, like, you could argue both sides that they're both abusing one another physically, mentally, emotionally, fiscally, whatever, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

It just reminds me of that. And because I'm seeing extremely compelling arguments on both sides. Like, no, no, you're right. Oh, no, no, wait. Like, you're right too. I really don't know. Like, I don't know what the truth is.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And if anybody, like, made up the fact that she abused her child. Like, I'm automatically going to be on the other side.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And so I guess, like, that is a, like, a pattern of abusers is to, like, like, file reports. I don't know. That's just what somebody had said, and I thought it was actually a good call.

[Jackie]

Okay, so tbd, because otherwise, I'm watching the show. She's a mess. Of course, maybe I think it must get worse, because what I'm seeing right now, not the most meaning, but it's

[Claudia]

not when they go to Colorado, like, her and her mom, it's. It is seriously like, two crazy people being crazy.

[Jackie]

Oh, wow.

[Claudia]

And it's also so boring. I don't like storylines when you're going to hire a genealogist. To me, that's like Melissa Gorgo's worst season.

[Jackie]

But she does have siblings out there.

[Claudia]

Okay. And not to spoil it, because I know you're not there yet. So she goes to Colorado about spoilers.

[Jackie]

Go ahead.

[Claudia]

Her father has passed away, so he's not alive. The people that are there don't want to be on camera. So she goes and talks to, like, one of her dad's old wayward friends in a diner, and. And then they, like, take a trip to this other diner that's out of business where her dad used to work, and they stand outside in the parking lot and have an argument. Like, it's literally like, I don't know why they went all the way there. I don't know if off camera, she meets her siblings. They don't say anything about it. They just end the trip like, it was weird as hell.

[Jackie]

I feel like they're doing this. Take out all the stuff that's happening in real time.

[Claudia]

What they're doing is making a parallel between, because we learn about her dad, that Taylor's in a very similar situation with Dakota, that her mom was in with her biological dad. He was, like, a bad guy. The mom loved him so much, abusive, got pregnant, he disappeared. And she just chose to, like, do this on her own. And she ended up meeting, like, this amazing guy, Jeremy, who adopted Taylor when she was, like, four or whatever. And so it's really, like, the only parent she's ever known. But they're drawing parallels because, like, before, we now in real time, like, no, what's happening? We. I think they're aiming to, like, heal Taylor on Secret Life.

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Claudia]

So she can go straight into the Bachelor. So in order to heal that, in order to move forward, you have to look, take a look at the past. So they're drawing these parallels, and they are so that her and her mom understand each other. It's going very poorly.

[Jackie]

That's exactly what they're trying to do is, like, poise her to be the bachelorette. I think that the timeline they're working with is extremely crazy one on the show. It's a matter of weeks, like three to four weeks until she's a bachelorette. And, like, she's still sleeping with Dakota. So we have a lot of healing to do in a short period of time. And now as viewers, we're watching this, and in five days, we're gonna watch her be the bachelorette. That's really crunchy for us to, like, go on this journey.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Of, like, this girl needs a major healing and self discovery and self awareness, love. And I don't know if it can be accomplished in the three weeks for her and the five days for us.

[Claudia]

I just want to know, like, seriously, what highway Taylor found Dakota like, sitting on?

[Jackie]

Who is he?

[Claudia]

He's, like, so random. Like, he's not even cute.

[Jackie]

And, like, how is he, like, the.

[Claudia]

The guy?

[Jackie]

And it's not even her ex husband. It's not like she's loved him since she's a teenager. Like, she was also already, like, famous when she met him, and he was like a rando. What hold does he have on her?

[Claudia]

I have no idea. But it's a strong one.

[Jackie]

I think also for her, the idea of keeping her family together, of ever having, you know, parents together will always be attractive to her.

[Claudia]

Yes. And I did, like, even though her sleeping with Dakota was so moronic, when she said. And she, like, started crying, Like, I saw him walking by, and he was walking, like, ever. Like, like, I get it. I do.

[Jackie]

No. And, like, even if he is, like, not so you have two guys and, like, one of them is worse than the other one, but with the worser one, your family is together. Yeah. That is more attractive than, like, another person. Like, and so I understand, but, like, he just can't be the person that she needs. But it's also confusing because as a viewer who doesn't, like, know a lot of the other bad things that have happened, like, Dakota seems to be. Aside from the lying and the cheating, he seems to be set on Taylor and he's like, if you would have me, I would be yours.

[Claudia]

But Taylor's saying, you say that, and then, like, I get back with you and you're cheating on me. It's like the woman you love so much, like, why.

[Jackie]

But do they ever really get Back together completely with complete forgiveness and a complete tabula rasa.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

Or is she always sort of like have him at arms length? She's always mad at him because she's not forgiven him. And so he feels like. And he goes. And that's like justifying it at all. But he doesn't like feel like he has Taylor completely. So he goes around. I'm not like saying he wouldn't be a piece of shit even if she loved him even more. But like they've never had a. Just a clean slate.

[Claudia]

Yeah, it's sort of like annoying. And I also saw people and I guess this is a good call. Like, why is Dakota a main character?

[Jackie]

Why is. Why is dad Talk a main character? The Dag Talk concept is so awful. It's very demeaning to the women.

[Claudia]

I agree.

[Jackie]

I think the worst thing that you can do is in general is just like, like a cheater brand. Like copy someone. It's a bit of mockery. It is trying to ride their coattails. Every dollar that dad Talk makes takes away from the dollars that Mom Talk makes. Even dad Talk as a concept gives these men a reason to think that they have something going on to take away from like the true their wives. And it's a thing that's like sort of mocking their wives.

[Claudia]

And it keeps like, if this is Taylor's like abuser, right. He's now a full time cast member. They work together. Technically. They have to go to all these stupid pickleball tournaments together and they have to film together for weeks on end.

[Jackie]

Like, I don't even think dad Talk is the most destructive for Taylor.

[Claudia]

And it's not good for Jordan and Jesse.

[Jackie]

It's worse for Jordan and Jesse. It's worse. Macy and Jacob. It's bad for everyone. And I think it's really demeaning to the women. I agree. Really, really bothers me. And I think at first it was like a funny joke. You have dad Talk.

[Claudia]

I thought they made like a couple tiktoks and did hashtag.

[Jackie]

Yeah, like anytime they get together they call themselves dad Talk. That would be funny. The fact that they really think that dad Talking.

[Claudia]

The hat he's.

[Jackie]

Dad Talk is an entity. Just like Mom Talk is an entity. I find it to be really insulting. It's taking away from the show. And if I were one of the wives, I would really, really hate it. And I agree. Treat dad Talk like it's something.

[Claudia]

No. And seriously, Jordan walking around in a tank top and three different dad Talk merch hats that he made Himself at Custom Income. Like the. Like, I actually couldn't hate Jordan anymore. And then he made his own merch, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah. No. And like. Like, the women are better wives than I could ever be. Because if someone was, like, going around

[Claudia]

trying to be taken seriously, but in

[Jackie]

a way that's, like, totally riffing off of what they've built it and, like, they don't even respect them.

[Claudia]

It's true. Like, they torture them at home. You're not home enough. You're not a good enough wife. We're not having sex enough. You're not home with the kids, like, off. I can't do all those things because I'm being Mom talking. You're so desperate. Copying my thing.

[Jackie]

And I also have to lift up Dag Talk.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

Whatever that is. Mom talk isn't enough of these friendships and these gigs and these deals. Now we also have to throw you guys a bone.

[Claudia]

So true.

[Jackie]

For all of the brands that go to dad Talk. It could easily just be mom talk.

[Claudia]

It's true.

[Jackie]

It really frustrates me. I also saw the conversation between Zach and Jen, and I just love Zach. No, no. I'm not taking his side. No. Because again, I'm with the women. But I think that Zach is a good guy.

[Claudia]

I think. Which is too.

[Jackie]

Which is so surprising.

[Claudia]

I know.

[Jackie]

I know.

[Claudia]

I think he's a good guy. I think he's a good husband. I just wish he could, like, shut the fuck up a little bit. Like, when he.

[Jackie]

I have no doubt the marriage.

[Claudia]

Like, I have no doubt that this time is extremely difficult on him on his marriage, on his. On all elements, but not just understanding that it's a brief window of time. It will end.

[Jackie]

And, like, we're not gonna fix it

[Claudia]

right now because it'll be fixed when we leave Dancing with the Stars. Like, him wanting to have this sort of, like, difficult conversation about him, his future, the future of his family. Family. Like, while she's in this difficult time, just acknowledge that, like, this is a window of our marriage. It's going to be really hard. It's worthwhile. She's fulfilling a dream, and when it's over, we will get back together.

[Jackie]

I completely agree. Except for the fact that she's talking about staying in la and they did stay. Remember she said, like, John is her neighbor now.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And when he said, like, Hollywood is not good for marriages. This town is, like, not good for families. He's completely right. So it's not like what you're saying is irrelevant because she's not saying, give Me three months, and then I'm yours again.

[Claudia]

That's true.

[Jackie]

She wants to stay. And so he has to, like, wave the red flag and be like, this is not good for us. I also think a lot of the women are suffering. And I say the more episodes I watch, the more I'm just like, this show is breaking them.

[Claudia]

I know.

[Jackie]

And, yeah, there's money and glitz and glam and fame, but, like, they're not happy. They're all breaking down. And I think they've all sort of lost their religion a little bit. And I think that's also not good for them. Like, especially women who, like, came from religion. Like, if you never really, like, part of your life, like, then not being, like, like, close to God in a moment, like, wouldn't really matter, but, like, to go from it being the bedrock and the foundation of your whole life, of your entire life, to then really, like, nothing tying you to it. It's very untethering to, like, lose that foundation in such a short period of time.

[Claudia]

Every single marriage. Well, we know that Mason and Layla are broken up. Michaela and Jace are separated. I'm sorry. Jesse and Jordan are three minutes away from divorce. Jacob and Macy are, like, the best marriage, but they're starting to show cracks.

[Jackie]

Like, serious issues.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Because he's hanging out with just, like, bad influences.

[Jackie]

He's, like, trying to influence her business. He's like, why don't you respect my ideas creatively? And it's like, shut up. No, that, like, she doesn't want to work with her husband.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

Being, like, very patient. And he's a good guy, so.

[Claudia]

He is.

[Jackie]

I'm. I'm not even seeing it as nefarious. I think he really just wants to help, but, like, that will not end well.

[Claudia]

Yeah. It's kind of a train wreck.

[Jackie]

Like, it's a train wreck.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But I think, like, Jen and Zach, like, we're really religious in the beginning of the show. And then to go from the matter of, like, two years living in Hollywood. Not following.

[Claudia]

She just made a tik tok. Get ready with me to go to church for the first time in two years, so.

[Jackie]

Oh.

[Claudia]

So it was an ad for an AI calorie tracking app.

[Jackie]

Oh, they. That app loves the cal AI Calais.

[Claudia]

Somebody else.

[Jackie]

I actually was looking at Dakota. I was looking at Dakota's page yesterday. He said, let's make breakfast for me and ever. And then he's like, now we're going to order in. And he, like, starts caling. It was actually. I didn't Realize I was about to watch an ad. Right.

[Claudia]

Same with Jen.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Claudia]

They.

[Jackie]

They integrated it well.

[Claudia]

Yeah. That's funny. So I believe.

[Jackie]

And Jesse. I follow Jesse. Jesse does calap a lot.

[Claudia]

So I don't know if she's just going to church for the content or like, actually going back to church.

[Jackie]

The fact that she said, come with me to church for the first time in two years, like, that's incredibly destabilizing for the church to be a huge part of your life, your entire life, and the two years where you are astronomically huge, like, you don't have that connection. I think that's not really, like, great for them either, to just have such a. Like a change of faith.

[Claudia]

No, I agree.

[Jackie]

Especially like in your marriage. For your marriage is also centered on that. Like, I feel like for me, I can't even conceive it.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So things are not good for the slammus.

[Claudia]

No, I think they need a break.

[Jackie]

And I think that this. I don't know if I would have said this had this not happened, but this season has to be. Seems to be heading towards disaster. And this is the disaster.

[Claudia]

All of it.

[Jackie]

The Taylor and the domestic violence. Even if Dakota is sabotaging Taylor, like, this is an. Like, Cinnabon has dropped.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Oh, not Cinnabon. That's a huge loss. I'm available.

[Jackie]

But not everything has to be tasty. Claudia.

[Claudia]

Correct. Your cinnamon buns have to be. And that's why I love Cinnabon. Use code turny for 20 off an in store or online purchase. Not a real advertisement. Not paid for by Cinnabon.

[Jackie]

Don't use.

[Claudia]

Actually, we should do a Cinnabon collab. I just want to say, what's swirlier than a Cinnabon? It's cinnamon swirled in.

[Jackie]

You know who likes us? I think actually we need to do Auntie Anne's. Auntie Anne's. Because we're aunties, by the way.

[Claudia]

They're. They're owned by the same company because

[Jackie]

they're always doing, like, swirly and teas.

[Claudia]

Sure. I'm open to both. I actually really much like Britney's parents. Actually. I like, really do like Cinnabon and

[Jackie]

Auntie Anthony Antibody for anti ends.

[Claudia]

A breast milk pretzel.

[Jackie]

No. Frida. Frida.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our next story? I am. Miley Cyrus sings Best of Both Worlds. And the climb is. Hannah Montana has an emotional reunion with her parents in the 20th anniversary special trailer. So the trailer dropped for the 20th anniversary special. The Hannah Montana 20th.

[Claudia]

Since we last discussed, there have Been like a couple of videos, a couple of of still images.

[Jackie]

Restoring my faith immensely.

[Claudia]

While I'm still not thrilled about like going behind the scenes on how the set was built. It does look like there's a concert.

[Jackie]

I just want to say I watched the trailer and it gave me all the feels. I like, I can't wait. I almost feel like reposted to my story with them. I forgot like just being like this is it.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I'm so excited. First of all, she's singing. She's singing the Climb. She's singing Best of Both Worlds. You know what? I do want to see her closet from 20 years ago. That can barely.

[Claudia]

Sure, whatever.

[Jackie]

I want to see Hannah all tatted up.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I can't. I can't friggin wait. It looks amazing. And it's like really when I see that. Hm. I'm sad. Like literally I'm 12 years old again. I can't wait.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I agree. The content coming out is very promising. All I really cared about was singing and we're getting singing. So I'm thrilled. Everything else. Yeah, I'm a big fan of the show. So like I'm interested in. Sure. All the other parts, but not without a singing element of course.

[Jackie]

And you got your fucking singing.

[Claudia]

And I'm thrilled.

[Jackie]

Like 360. This looks amazing. And I march 24th. I can't frigging wait. That's how I felt.

[Claudia]

She can't friggin wait. I put it in my calendar.

[Jackie]

It's so crazy how Miley, like she has lived 1000 lives since being Hannah Montana. Bangers, dirty pets, like everything. And when she puts that wig on, she's Hannah.

[Claudia]

She's that girl.

[Jackie]

No, she. And when she's talking and she's. She's the same person.

[Claudia]

Which Hannah wig do you like personally resonate with?

[Jackie]

Well, of course, like the nobody's perfect long one. But then she did get a haircut.

[Claudia]

Yeah, she had bob ish mid and

[Jackie]

that was cute for season three.

[Claudia]

It was very mature too. Like when they moved to the house in Malibu and she was just like more grown up Hannah and I guess she didn't have bangs in that second wig. Right.

[Jackie]

But I do was so. No, she did. She always had me.

[Claudia]

Okay. Okay.

[Jackie]

But I do associate like the long Vaughn like nobody's perfect one.

[Claudia]

Agreed. And then the. I just saw. I guess they talk about it in the specials because it made news in the very first episode of Hannah Montana.

[Jackie]

She does have a different wig.

[Claudia]

She has a different wig. She has like seriously the most fakocked wig ever.

[Jackie]

It's like Sarah Vanese Farrah Fawcett ill fitting.

[Claudia]

It doesn't look even remotely like her hair. And the person who designed that wig was actually fired after the first episode because she did such a bad job at her job, which was putting a wig on. And she's in the special, which will be exciting.

[Jackie]

No, but like even this still of Miley from the special, like that looks like it could have been taken 20 years ago.

[Claudia]

She's ageless with the wig on.

[Jackie]

She is Ramona Stoneglasses, like, and the outfit, it's as if no time has passed at all.

[Claudia]

Yeah. It's the clown

[Jackie]

and the climb, like then and now has just meant everything to me in my life. Life.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And so seeing her perform it is. I. I don't know if I'll be

[Claudia]

able to handle it. I know, I know. Keep on moving, keep climbing. Keep the faith baby. It's all about. It's all about the climb. Keep the faith, Keep me o. Whoa. That was really good.

[Jackie]

I thought so. Yeah. Nice. So I can't friggin wait. Is the headline.

[Claudia]

Can't freaking wait.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our next story? Alex Earl is posing for Sports Illustrated in a pearl covered bikini. So a picture of. Maybe you have more context, but I have no.

[Claudia]

So I didn't know. Sometimes Sports Illustrated releases and it's like, oh, it's the Sports Illustrated. But then it's like, is it just

[Jackie]

sneak up on us with like a bunch of pictures that by the time the COVID comes out, like, I'm, I'm like, didn't we see the COVID Is

[Claudia]

this the COVID No. Okay.

[Jackie]

Like it says. Or is it just a cover or a picture? It only says Sports Illustrated on the bottom, right? Like it's just a water.

[Claudia]

It's just a spread.

[Jackie]

It's not a title. Yeah. So she is in a bikini for the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, which. Okay, so here the magazine revealed their first slate of models Tuesday which saw Alex Earl joined by Camille Kostic and three other models. So they just like drop some pictures from the issue.

[Claudia]

Like, what does that mean though?

[Jackie]

Including like five people that are in the issue.

[Claudia]

So Sports Illustrated swimsuit.

[Jackie]

And then like this is a really bad rollout. They do this every year. And then I'm like, wait, are there just like 12 issues of sports Illustrated, like, or is this the time? Usually winter is the time for Sports Illustrated cover. So it's coming any day now. Who do you think will be on

[Claudia]

the COVID So they went to Botswana.

[Jackie]

Of course.

[Claudia]

And that's where they did Livy Dunn.

[Jackie]

Oh, Libby Dunn is one of the five.

[Claudia]

Camille Caustic. Meredith Mickelson.

[Jackie]

Penny Lane. Is that what you're seeing?

[Claudia]

Is Meredith Mickelson. Phil Mickelson. The. No, no, she's just like, like a pretty model. Penny Lane.

[Jackie]

And who's that? A Gutu.

[Claudia]

Who's Penny Lynn? She's just a model with 400k. Okay. Yeah.

[Jackie]

And then.

[Claudia]

Then a Ching. A Gucci. Okay, so where's. And then Alex Earl. Okay, so not Libby Dunn. Sorry, my bad, my bad. I saw her in another one.

[Jackie]

Oh, okay. It's confusing. Yeah.

[Claudia]

No. Okay, so they released the first. But these are not the COVID models.

[Jackie]

No, these are just like five pictures of people from the magazine that's forthcoming. Question mark.

[Claudia]

Got it. Okay, so who do we think is going to be on the COVID Do they think we're gonna do like eight covers again? Like, of course.

[Jackie]

So do you have your top eight? Eight. And I feel like it's not going to be Alexar, because if it were going to be.

[Claudia]

No, they already released her spread.

[Jackie]

No, but they could have another picture of her for one of their eight covers. I'm just like, no, no, no, no, no.

[Claudia]

I think, like, when they release the

[Jackie]

COVID cover, it'll be a new person.

[Claudia]

So it's not.

[Jackie]

It's not Penny.

[Claudia]

Correct. Camille's already done it. These people are like rookies or whatever. Like, they're just the models.

[Jackie]

Who do you think it will be?

[Claudia]

I mean, it should have been Alex Earl. I thought that should have been Alex Earl a year ago. Two years ago. I don't know. Like, who's the young hot thing?

[Jackie]

It's not going to be the young hot thing. Right.

[Claudia]

So I don't know, because they're always doing, like. They're always looking to check a box, being like, Martha Stewart was the oldest one. This is the first Asian American queer. Like, they like to do, like. Yeah, someone who's like, not been done technically. So I. I don't know.

[Jackie]

I think they're gonna. I think they're gonna do like Amy Poehler sale.

[Claudia]

I would love that.

[Jackie]

I think that's what it's gonna be.

[Claudia]

That's a good guess.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

You think it's just one.

[Jackie]

Oh, another person.

[Claudia]

Like, I think they're gonna do like. But maybe they'll do like a comedy theme there.

[Jackie]

They won't do it.

[Claudia]

No. Okay, okay, okay.

[Jackie]

Who else would be on it? I don't know.

[Claudia]

What about the Secret Lives?

[Jackie]

No, they won't yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to think not obvious.

[Claudia]

Yeah. So I don't know. Because I'm an obvious person. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Like, no. And it's just like big celebrities.

[Claudia]

I'm actually excited. Like, I didn't realize we were waiting for this.

[Jackie]

Excited to see like what it is.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Because it's always so random.

[Jackie]

It's gonna be like what we think it should. No, no.

[Claudia]

I miss the days where like they would decide on one person and that person was like the biggest model that year. Like they were discovering people made people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then like the year following was like kind of like Miss America. You were like on a years long tour as the swimsuit girl. Kate Upton, Hannah Jeter, Nina Ogdahl.

[Jackie]

No. Now it's just like randos and celebrities

[Claudia]

and like business people. They're gonna. Barbara Corcoran on the COVID Like, like, yeah, honestly, I'm down.

[Jackie]

Nor like Joy Behar.

[Claudia]

Oh, please.

[Jackie]

No, that's what it's going to be.

[Claudia]

I don't think Joy would do it. Like, that's the only reason why I

[Jackie]

don't think it is Whoopy Goldberg.

[Claudia]

I think she actually would do it.

[Jackie]

It's literally going to be Whoopy Goldberg.

[Claudia]

All right. That's Jackie's official, I guess.

[Jackie]

Do you have one?

[Claudia]

Okay. If we're going like r. Like Nancy Grace, you know. No, I was going to say something insensitive. Sorry.

[Jackie]

I don't think Nancy Grace would do it.

[Claudia]

Oh, I do, actually. I don't know. She's like a God loving woman. Maybe not. Let me think, let me think. Think. Who was just like, oh, maybe like the Olympics. Oh, like Eileen. What's the girl with the Aileen with the hair that everyone loves? Alyssa Lou. Yeah. Or Eileen. Yeah. One of the Olympian.

[Jackie]

Okay, you're saying Olympian of this cycle of.

[Claudia]

I mean, it would be a really

[Jackie]

quick turnaround, but that's what you're gonna say.

[Claudia]

But yeah.

[Jackie]

Okay. And I'm saying Whoopi Goldberg.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Are you ready? Oh, also Alex Earl related. She just launched an Instagram account. What the is Alex doing about. And it's. The bio is something big is coming and it's a photo of her like

[Claudia]

obviously modeling for skincare line.

[Jackie]

Oh, you think it's skin care here in the. She's not wearing makeup, like wearing like a nude like bra. So like not clothes.

[Claudia]

And that's what she's so viral for. Like she had hormonal acne. She like Medicube is like her whole thing. Like her dermatologist. So she's very much like a. She does makeup. She's a really influential person in skin. Okay, so it's.

[Jackie]

What the. Is Alex doing? And we're just gonna, like, watch the space.

[Claudia]

Yeah, she, like, launched the Instagram account. She got like 100,000 followers, and she's just waiting for the launch.

[Jackie]

Got it.

[Claudia]

Yep.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our next story? White Lotus Season 4 casting news.

[Claudia]

Oh, I didn't even see this.

[Jackie]

I know.

[Claudia]

They're France, right?

[Jackie]

Yeah, they are going to be.

[Claudia]

Oh, actually, I did see this. A.J. michalka, right?

[Jackie]

She might have been in the past. Yeah. But the new people, it's very exciting for us because it's someone that we'll be able to have on Namesake.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Max Greenfield, girl.

[Claudia]

Sally. Who's his mom?

[Jackie]

Sally Greenfield.

[Claudia]

No, wait, doesn't he have a famous mom?

[Jackie]

Does he? I don't know him because I don't watch new girls, so he's like a blind spot for me.

[Claudia]

I don't watch it either.

[Jackie]

He's a Max, so I'll. I'll start to pay attention.

[Claudia]

His. I don't know.

[Jackie]

Then we have.

[Claudia]

I don't know why I thought his mom was Sally Field.

[Jackie]

Kumal Nanjiani. Okay.

[Claudia]

Chloe Bennett from Logan Paul's ex girlfriend.

[Jackie]

She's from agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Interior Chinatown.

[Claudia]

I think she's more famously known. Let me just make sure I'm right from that mermaid show. Continue.

[Jackie]

Charlie Hall. Oh, my God. Two people for Namesake, you guys. And you know who Charlie hall is?

[Claudia]

I don't.

[Jackie]

Julia Louis Dreyfus, son.

[Claudia]

Oh. Oh, I like him. He was in Secret Lives of Sex

[Jackie]

Girls, College Girls and Sex Lives.

[Claudia]

Yeah, he's cute.

[Jackie]

And Gerard Paul.

[Claudia]

Okay, we've got ourselves a cast then.

[Jackie]

Previously announced cast members are Sandra Bernhardt, Helena Bonham Carter, Vincent Cassell, Steve Coogan,

[Claudia]

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They never go. They never go. Obvious, though.

[Jackie]

Like, working actors who you can recognize and some new folks.

[Claudia]

Right. But, like, it's never like the most famous working actors. It's like people, you know, whose faces you recognize. It's like a star maker machine. Either of, like, brand new faces. Oh, I guess like, Megan Fahey was like. I mean, I knew her, but she.

[Jackie]

That sounds like Chloe Bennett. Like agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. like, we. If you've seen her show, she's worked before. I have, like, a big moment.

[Claudia]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

A.J. michalka, like, if you saw a Secretariat, like, you've been on notice.

[Claudia]

No, but like, AJ Michalka is a fixture in, like, millennial, the entire generations. Like childhood.

[Jackie]

No, but like she's Wayne, right?

[Claudia]

Was that wrong?

[Jackie]

She has waned and now we're gonna start seeing her on every red carpet. Like, I'm excited for that. That and I hope they ask questions about what it was like to be a part of Secretariat. Such a major movie, motion picture.

[Claudia]

Maybe if she does press we can get her and ask her that.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Caught in a moment. I hope they use some Ali and aj.

[Jackie]

They should. I wonder. She'll be playing a singer.

[Claudia]

She's always playing a singer.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

She sung in Secretariat.

[Jackie]

There will be singing. And this one is taking place in Paris in multiple locations along the French Riviera.

[Claudia]

Very cool.

[Jackie]

Very cool. Our fifth and final story shouldn't have been.

[Claudia]

Oh, wait, sorry.

[Jackie]

Got disorganized.

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Thank you Turt Positive. You're welcome for letting us know about O Positive.

[Claudia]

You're welcome Jert Positive.

[Jackie]

Oh, she's forgetting I'm back. Fit and final story.

[Claudia]

What are you looking at me for?

[Jackie]

Look, shouldn't have been vivid and final, but it's just the way she thinks. Now today Zendaya's addressing the Tom Holland and marriage rumors shares a spoof wedding video to clear the confusion. So Zendaya went on Jimmy Kimmel and discussed these like rumors and AI photos that she got married. Plus, like Law Roach sort of like opened a can of worms when he said that she did get married and she's like joking about it and people seem to really care about that. More notably, she was not asked any questions about Euphoria Season 3, which is about to come out, which is making people like questions. Her involvement in the promotion of Euphoria season three, well that is weird.

[Claudia]

Although like she's on a press tour right now for a movie and like, maybe they want to just promote that movie. I'm not going to, like, look into that so nefariously. Although everything with euphoria is nefarious.

[Jackie]

Everything, everyone hates each other, everything is drama, everything is toxic.

[Claudia]

I don't really care whether or not Zendaya is married or not, because she's in like a long term partnership. If they're married, great. If not, they will be like, I don't care. What I want to talk about is this movie that she's in with Robert Pattinson, which just like, looks really good. I'm like obsessed with the pair of wearing they. He looked so hot at the Oscars. And then last night was the premiere and she wore. Okay, so she re. Wore a dress. She wore this white Versace gown that was gorgeous. And apparently she had worn it like in the 20. 2015 to the Oscars. And it's just so interesting to see the side by side, how she's like, really grown up. Like, she, like, just looks so more like feminine and womanly. But what's interesting, and I remember when I first saw the picture, somebody was like, oh, my God, you wore this dress to the 2015 Oscars. She's wearing her hair in dreads. And I'm like, oh. I was wonder if that was the time that Juliana Rancic said that. She said that she smelled like patchouli oil and like, literally got fired and ended one of the greatest shows in like, that literally is what ended fashion. Yes. And so then Law Roach tweeted, remember the last time she wore this dress? And like, they literally, like, were referencing that.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

I can't believe that Law and Zendaya, like, know about that and talk about

[Jackie]

it and like, are joking about it

[Claudia]

because it was literally like, at the time, it was. Was the craziest, like, biggest deal ever.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And I have like, everyone's like, moved on. The show is over. But like, no, but I don't.

[Jackie]

They moved on in the sense that it was canceled. Like, it. It wasn't a. No small thing. It's very much like known as.

[Claudia]

But it's clearly like something they haven't forgotten. You know, Lawns and Linda.

[Jackie]

Yeah, of course not.

[Claudia]

She looked so beautiful in the dress. It's actually insane how, like, different the dress looked because she was just like a kid, you know.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Wearing this gown in 2015. And now she really looked like a beautiful, you know, woman.

[Jackie]

That's really funny.

[Claudia]

I kind of want to see this movie. It's called the drama. Everything is the drama. I know.

[Jackie]

Well, so, like, are they married? Are they. Not again. I'm with you.

[Claudia]

I.

[Jackie]

It makes no difference to me.

[Claudia]

They're like Goldie Hawn, you know, like, they're. They're married. Like, who? Like, seriously, who cares?

[Jackie]

Yeah, like, whether they had a wedding that you, like, you wouldn't saw invited you anyway.

[Claudia]

Correct. Correct.

[Jackie]

Not having anything to do with any of us.

[Claudia]

Let's dive into Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment where we try to give back to the community, try to help out the girls in need. If you ever need advice from us, you can email us dear toasters gmail.com or simply head over to our website, the toastpodcast.com scroll down. There's a little Dear Toaster submission box. Totally anonymous both ways. And you have just as good of a chance getting on the show no matter how you submit. Okay. Hey, Swirlies. My husband, who's 30, has told me multiple times that people at work are asking him if he has something going on with his co worker who's about 50. Safety. I know they're friends, that they have lunch together sometimes. She did call him once when she got into a car crash, which I thought was weird. I genuinely don't think he's cheating on me, but do you think he's acting inappropriately at work? And that's what. What is making people think this? What should I do? Well, I agree that your husband's not cheating on you because he wouldn't have told you. Like, everyone thinks I'm dating. I think he was saying it's funny because, like, she's 50 and he's 30. But why are people thinking that? Like, I feel like there's something you're not sharing. And her calling your husband when she got into a car wreck, Like, I guess she's 50.

[Jackie]

Like, I mean, I don't work in,

[Claudia]

like, a traditional office setting. Like, you are my, like, one of my only co workers, so. So, like, maybe I can't relate, but, like, how are you two behaving?

[Jackie]

Like, I know everyone with their work wives, like, so toxic, so wrong. And I feel like now people are turning on the concept. Like, for a while I was like, this is my work life. And now everyone's like, that's not a thing and that's not normal, and that needs to stop. And that's not. Not appropriate. This doesn't sound appropriate. If the genders were reversed, it would certainly not be appropriate. And I don't know that anything nefarious is going on, but like you don't, you just don't need this. Like, no, your husband's not so innocent

[Claudia]

in all of this.

[Jackie]

Like he's obviously, he's the younger subordinate.

[Claudia]

He's the man. And he's 30.

[Jackie]

Like he's 30, she's 50. Imagine if it's a 50 year old man and a 30 year old woman.

[Claudia]

Imagine if your father married someone your

[Jackie]

age and then like your boss is like calling you on the side of the road and like, like that's weird.

[Claudia]

Unless she's like a frail old woman. But like obviously not because people really think that they're dating.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And like she seems to be like his emergency contact.

[Claudia]

Your husband needs what the kids are calling boundaries. You know, your work people should not be calling you in the middle of the night from the side of the road. And if you're in a place where like you've become someone's number one person to call when their car breaks down,

[Jackie]

like given too much of yourself in the workplace.

[Claudia]

Correct. It's just a job.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Tell your husband it's just a job.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Hey, swirlies. Oh no, sorry. I just read that one. Dear Jackson Turdy, I actually feel very conflicted about this one. My mother in law watches my daughter while I work from home upstairs. Sometimes my father in law comes over unannounced to either hang out or go on walks with them. I've asked my mother in law previously to just send me a quick text to let me know so that I'm aware of what's going on in the house. She has repeatedly not let me know as not let me know as this continues. Am I crazy to be annoyed by this? He's not my favorite person. So I don't exactly love the surprise visit visits. It doesn't happen too often, but it still annoys me.

[Jackie]

Why isn't he your favorite person?

[Claudia]

Yeah, I'm gonna need more context on that because before that it's like, well, if your mother in law father. I know there are people who are like very strict about letting adult males near their children. I see. I see it on tick tock a lot. Like I actually just fell into this thing.

[Jackie]

These family members.

[Claudia]

Not family members, but you know, actually I'd like to get your take on this. I watched this woman, she like did like a whole takedown of her local daycare because she went in and her kid goes there all the time and it's all good. But she noticed that they hired her child. Did she say it was still in diapers? And so she had two kids. The older one's been going there, maybe three years old. So he's been going there for a while. So she just had a baby. Her six month old is now going to the facility as well. So she was dropping both the kids off and she noticed that there was a new caretaker, a man. So she had asked, oh, who's this new person? And they were like, oh, this is Jimmy or whatever. She said, oh, great. I would just request that he doesn't change the diapers for my baby. I'm only comfortable, comfortable with a female. And they were like so offended. Called her, threatened to throw her kids out. And she was like, I'm just not comfortable with an adult male changing the diaper of her daughter. The baby was a daughter. But I think regardless she would have said it. And everyone in the comments was like, oh yeah, I don't let like adult males near my baby. I guess like everyone's very on high alert for pedophilia, which is a more prevalent in the male species. So there are people who are like, that's why a lot of people don't let their parents, parents don't let their kids have sleepovers because you don't know what adult male is in the house. I think Khloe Kardashian has said that many times she does not let her kids have any sleepovers.

[Jackie]

There's a lot of. It's not even just that, but yeah, it's a big one.

[Claudia]

So I don't know why, like. And so if she, if this girl writing in is one of those people, like, I respect her boundaries, but it sounds like she just doesn't like her father in law. She doesn't want him in her house.

[Jackie]

Like so regarding the tick tocker. Yeah.

[Claudia]

What do you make of that?

[Jackie]

I'm with her.

[Claudia]

Yeah, of course. Okay.

[Jackie]

1, 1000%.

[Claudia]

And the daycare was like being really shady. And I think she ended up, I don't know what she ended up doing. I never got like a follow up

[Jackie]

video leave regarding this. Well, first of all, there's a difference between like random adult males being near your babies and your father. Of course this person doesn't have like a track record of engaging in harmful behavior with children. It sounds like you just don't like him. You want to know when he's in your house. Sure. She should give you a heads up. You want to know what's happening in your house. I would feel the same way with people. If you're upstairs and he's down, they're downstairs. But she probably, like, isn't on her phone all the time. You don't want her to be on her phone all the time. They're just going for a walk and they're hanging out. I need to really know why he's not your favorite person. Is it. Is it like nefarious behavior, he seems like an inappropriate, unsafe individual, or like he's insulted, you know, he's not the kindest and whatever. But if they're just going on walks and she's doing you a favor, like, I don't think it's the biggest deal. But I don't have all the information to make this call.

[Claudia]

All I do have a solution for you because it sounds like you just want to know when he's in the house. You don't want him not coming anymore. Anything. A nana would solve your problem. Or any sort of like, baby monitor. You're upstairs. Put a camera, like in the corner of your living room so you can see the whole living room or wherever they hang out, the playroom. Problem solved.

[Jackie]

Well, they go on walks. But what's happening on walk? If you trust the mother in law, she's not gonna let anything happen under her watch.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And it's like, I. Well, I understand that your father in law is not your favorite person. It is such a privilege to have childcare. That's your family. Like, it's just like, I think, I think it's something people would dream of. So even though you don't like him, like, is he a good grandpa?

[Jackie]

No. And like, if, if your concerns are have to do with like safety or appropriateness, like, then you should be concerned about the mother too. Because if he's like a known correct

[Claudia]

predator and she didn't say that. But like, why else wouldn't you want this person?

[Jackie]

Because if it's just like, you know, he doesn't stay rude. Yeah. Oh, grumpy.

[Claudia]

It's like, still the kid's grandpa, like,

[Jackie]

it's fine, it's whatever. But if it is more insidious, then you need to be looking at her too.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

She's married.

[Claudia]

I don't think that's what it is. I just want to say I don't know why I brought that.

[Jackie]

The thing is, if it's not, then I'm like, what's your problem?

[Claudia]

Correct.

[Jackie]

Like, two people want to look after your kids.

[Claudia]

No. And it's nice. Like, two adults is better than one. And their family, like, to have like your village raise your child when you have to work is like such a dream.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And so she doesn't tell you every single time he comes over. But, like, it's family. So assuming, like, nothing is wrong here. There's no like, bad man. Like, it's family. They come through the door. You need a text message. Like, what?

[Claudia]

Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. And it's not like you have other child care and then like your in laws just randomly show up. Like, the in laws are the child care. It's nice.

[Jackie]

It is nice. Wrong. Unless he's a predator.

[Claudia]

Correct. Then call police now. I like how we've become just like a destination for people who think that their partners are gay. Like, that is just sort of my life's work. And so here is. I have a new final submission.

[Jackie]

Have a new take now. After slamu, it just informs, like. Yeah, continue.

[Claudia]

Hey, guys, a little backstory. My best friend was a late bloomer. She didn't have her first kiss until college. She never really dated. And then fast forward to our late 20s. She's met a guy through a dating app. She is so happy to finally be dating that she's not picking up on some things that I think are quite odd. Like mostly that he goes on a cruise nearly every month. Month. He either goes alone or with another guy friend while he's on this cruises. He does not communicate with her. And he says he goes on them because he likes to gamble. Is he gay? How do I get her to realize that this is not normal?

[Jackie]

Well, you should definitely let her know that it's not normal. Just be like, do you know what he's doing? Because I don't have, like, an issue so much. If he's gay. Is. Is he cheating on you?

[Claudia]

Well, if he's gay, I do have an issue. Because you're a girl.

[Jackie]

No, but like, like, he wants, like, just if you love him, like, and he loves you.

[Claudia]

No, you guys, don't listen to Jackie. Here's the thing. I think you guys are gonna be shocked by what I have to say. There's nothing inherently gay about cruises. Like, there is really? Yeah. There are of course, gay cruises. There are Disney cruises.

[Jackie]

Like, go on a cruise with your male friend. So here's the thing.

[Claudia]

I believe greatly that your friend's boyfriend is hiding something major. Is that major thing his sexuality? I actually don't think so. Let me tell you what. Why again, cruises?

[Jackie]

No, it's not about cruise. Say it was a vacation. It's not about.

[Claudia]

She's not even. Like, she would have also said. And he, you know, was on Grinder.

[Jackie]

Like, the cruise is with his male friends, the only. And he disappears.

[Claudia]

She says sometimes he goes alone and sometimes he brings a friend.

[Jackie]

Well, maybe he's cruising on the cruise.

[Claudia]

I don't know. I. I don't know. When I think of cruises, like, maybe he's a really.

[Jackie]

He needs to go on a cruise.

[Claudia]

Maybe it's a Weight Watchers cruise, like, once a month. Maybe it's a New Kids on the

[Jackie]

Block cruise, you know, once a month.

[Claudia]

Know how many themed cruises there are? Other than being gay?

[Jackie]

Nobody needs to go on a cruise once a month unless you're cruising.

[Claudia]

And cruises are kind of like Disney. Like, it's a cult, people.

[Jackie]

So you're saying he's.

[Claudia]

I'm saying people are obsessed with cruises the way they are obsessed with parks. Like Disney parks.

[Jackie]

Like, I'm sorry, once a month. Don't you have a job?

[Claudia]

Well, of course there are other, like, lifestyle things that I have questions here about. But if you're just asking me if he's gay as truly the gay whisperer. I don't think so. I don't think so.

[Jackie]

But you're saying it could be a lot of things.

[Claudia]

I think if this girl wrote in and was like. And he's really. You know, he talks really. Like, there are other ways to surmise about someone's sexuality more often than not, unless you're a true professional. Like, there are a lot of signs in how you walk and how you talk, in your interest. The TV shows that you watch, stereotyping. Oh, is that bad?

[Jackie]

I know you just always like to feel bad.

[Claudia]

What did I say? But there are other things. Like, she would have written and, you know.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I heard my wear skirts.

[Claudia]

Like, I don't know. No, actually, I feel like gay guys actually don't even wear skirts. Like, straight men are always.

[Jackie]

No, I understand. Like, your mind, like, went towards gay because you watch this show too much.

[Claudia]

And I'm sorry. And by the way, for that I will apologize.

[Jackie]

But what we're saying is there's so many other things that could be wrong here, and you need to look at those.

[Claudia]

Okay. Like.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, the gayness. If it's like, we almost held a toast cruise. No, but I. It's not about the cruise, Claudia. You're focusing too much on cruise. How about that? That.

[Claudia]

Okay, maybe he writes for the points guy.

[Jackie]

Well, does he?

[Claudia]

I don't know.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like, unless he works in

[Claudia]

Here are the themed cruises coming up on Royal Caribbean.

[Jackie]

But why do I give a. You don't go to A cruise once a month. I don't care if it's Hannah Montana.

[Claudia]

Oh, you think the frequency is what makes it gay?

[Jackie]

Yes. More insidious. You can go on a cruise.

[Claudia]

Cruise your heart out. I don't think so. Maybe Wander. L. Maybe nobody understands him except for me.

[Jackie]

Hey, you go on 12 cruises a year. That's not normal.

[Claudia]

Where do they live? Maybe they live in, like, Fort Lauderdale, where there's, like, a pier where all the Crips.

[Jackie]

It doesn't.

[Claudia]

Cruise ships leave from.

[Jackie]

It doesn't matter. I know plenty of people live in Florida who don't go on cruise a month.

[Claudia]

Tell this man to call me. He's obviously looking for somebody who understands him. And your friend is not worthy of his love, and neither are you.

[Jackie]

Ask your friend. Like, what is he doing on these cruises? This is weird. Why does he have. I mean, maybe.

[Claudia]

Oh, yeah. Ask them about their sex life. There are a lot of sides. Like, people who are closeted are not

[Jackie]

getting, like, listen, I would start with just. Just, like, simple questions before you start making leaps. Like, what's this cruise? Who is he with? What does he do? Why can't he answer the.

[Claudia]

He goes on a lot of cruises.

[Jackie]

Yeah, like, just get some context clues first. She might have a perfectly good answer, and she might be fine. Just because she never kissed a boy till college doesn't mean she doesn't have a brain. Yeah, like, she's not that naive.

[Claudia]

Like, you did make her sound, like, uber desperate.

[Jackie]

Like someone who, like, can't handle herself in this world.

[Claudia]

Right. Just because she wasn't, like, a. In college. Like, I like how we're now turning on the person who wrote it because, like, she's just.

[Jackie]

I feel like she's telling us literally only the worst.

[Claudia]

Very specific. Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

She's making her friend look like a dumb. Dumb.

[Claudia]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's really funny.

[Jackie]

I'm crying, giving, like, my friend got a boyfriend. I'm jealous.

[Claudia]

Oh, that. I love that.

[Jackie]

Well, I just want to say, given the fact that you gave us no information and just, like, these breadcrumbs, that you thought we would just be like, oh, he's gay. Like, you tried to lead him leave us here, and now we've turned on you.

[Claudia]

That's what I'm saying. Like, when you make it so obvious. I don't know.

[Jackie]

I don't even think it's so obvious. Like, but definitely weird behavior. Let's get some more questions.

[Claudia]

Like, I think also, like, it's important to know. Like, while I think it's weird. And if anybody I knew went on a cruise once a month, I'd be like, are you okay? Like, some people just have different interests than me and, like, different ways to live their life.

[Jackie]

But nobody goes on a vacation once a month.

[Claudia]

Ryan Kelly does.

[Jackie]

That's his job.

[Claudia]

Ryan Kelly does.

[Jackie]

So unless that's his job, maybe he

[Claudia]

wants to be an influencer and he's doing, like, cruise reviews. Check his tickets. Tick tock.

[Jackie]

So tell us that maybe this friend

[Claudia]

hasn't cared enough to check his tick tock. I believe this man.

[Jackie]

I just know how to walk down the street. The dumb, dumb who never goes kissed in college.

[Claudia]

Yeah, right, right. Give your son.

[Jackie]

Your friend was never kissed, but she could handle herself in this world.

[Claudia]

And she would have known a queer man if he punched her in the face. Like, one thing about Josie, she was extremely discerning.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And so I just feel like you've stereotyped everyone here.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Including us. Thinking that we would just think he's gay him for cruising.

[Claudia]

Maybe you need to look inward. Maybe it's you.

[Jackie]

You tried to pit us all again.

[Claudia]

It's true. And we found you out.

[Jackie]

How you like them apples?

[Claudia]

Thank you guys so much for listening to the toast of Millennial morning show, where we deliver the past five stories that you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching this on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as a podcast and we're podcasts. We bounce at Spotify, Tune, Snitcher, Public Radio. I hear Radio Castbox. All the places we listen to the podcast by necessity at our beautiful setting in Wiggly. Talented we are.

[Jackie]

I had one more thought about the Taylor, Frankie, Paul thing that I think.

[Claudia]

Okay, the episode's not over.

[Jackie]

Germane information to this because I really want to do take her side. Because if what's happening to her is untrue, it's awful. Cruelest thing in the world. Why did all the girls stop filming with her? Yeah, that's all I'll leave you with. But there are also. They are sheep.

[Claudia]

So they are. There's so much group think in mom talk. I have to go to the bathroom so bad.

[Jackie]

We have to wrap cheap. Consider that they stopped filming with her. We'll leave you with that. Love you. Bye.

[Claudia]

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