Baby Mama Trauma: Tuesday, March 17th, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast

Episode: "Baby Mama Trauma"

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: March 17, 2026
Producer: Dear Media

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Main Theme

This episode of The Toast is a quintessential blend of sharp pop culture commentary, personal anecdotes, and playful banter. Jackie & Claudia dissect the latest drama surrounding "Secret Lives of Mormon Wives" (aka SlamMU), reality TV controversies, influencer headlines, and viral moments—all through the lens of modern motherhood, friendship, and internet culture. With Ben co-hosting (presumably subbing for Claudia), the conversation is energetic, candid, and honest, tackling topics big and small: domestic incident scandals in reality TV, color theory, celebrity trajectories, and the politics of #MomTok.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter: Breast Milk, Migraines, and Color Theory

• Timestamp 00:22–04:41
  • Jackie jokes about "Two's Dairy" (Tuesday + dairy/lactation) and the magical, almost spiritual power of breast milk to deliver antibodies.
  • Ben is wearing sunglasses due to a migraine, leading to a riff on bright lights in the studio and the challenges of working through pain ("Not a headache, a migraine." - Ben, 02:43).
  • Jackie's deepening appreciation of breast milk: "It's not even science. It's magic. It's God." (01:28)
  • Playful riffs on color theory and the perception of color—"If I showed you a color, how would you describe what you're seeing?" (Jackie, 07:50)—segue into talk about an upcoming in-studio color analysis ("I want my true colors are beautiful, like rainbow." – Jackie, 09:10).
  • Both hosts wrestle with whether a creamy paint shade called "Mayonnaise" is the right move for Jackie's decor.

2. SlamMU (Secret Lives of Mormon Wives) Recap & Reality TV Drama

• Timestamp 03:43–15:10, 20:34–32:23
  • Immediate focus on recapping key developments on "Secret Lives," now in the middle of episode 7. The show is hard to spoil due to its public nature, so the recap focuses on reactions and personalities.
  • Discussion of favorite and least favorite cast members and the show's dynamic changeability.
    • Notably, past "villains" like Whitney now appear redeeming; Michaela's emotional journey is seen as complex and relatable.
  • Notable Moment (13:14): Jackie’s insight: "You can only, like, really do that for so long. Especially when you're a woman with agency, you have children...You have to be mature and better and, like, want more for your life and your family."
  • The personal nature of the show for both hosts, especially during their postpartum periods, highlights the emotional role of reality TV in everyday life.
  • The conversation delves into agency, personal responsibility, and the emotional toll of fame on young reality stars: "These girls are so young. They got so famous so quickly...No one knows how to handle that." (Ben, 14:52)
  • On Current SlamMU Scandal:
    • Breaking news about Taylor and Dakota’s domestic incident—including allegations of child and spousal abuse, conflicting accounts, and DCFS psych evaluations.
    • Jackie's stance: "Honestly, I am in disbelief...If that's true, that's the most disgusting thing you can do. So I think I'll wait till there's more information…But if there's even a sliver of truth, I'm out." (26:00-33:17)
    • Ben is unequivocal: "I think these people are, like, disgusting trash...They should both be fired from the show." (23:25)
    • The entire season of the Bachelor is now "null and void" if these allegations have any truth, and the potential PR impact is discussed.
    • MomTok’s internal culture—expectations to support each other's brands/events—becomes a point of contention with some cast opting out for family or paid gigs, exposing underlying resentments within the influencer/mom community.

3. The Business of Being Women: Influencer Trajectory & Career Pivots

• Timestamp 32:25–39:12
  • Speculation on SlamMU cast member Whitney's reported intention to leave the show—Should she?
    • Both hosts agree the show is the “bedrock” of her success, and that a safe pivot is to go, try new things, but always keep a foot in the reality game.
  • Debates on which reality stars or influencers have successfully crossed into true stardom. They settle on Awkwafina as a rare example.
    • "It will be a really hard, hard trail for her to blaze. Not saying that it can't be done…" (Jackie, 38:46)
  • Brief comparison to Ariana Madix and the fleeting nature of reality TV fame: "You're so hot, then you’re not. It ebbs and flows." (Ben, 35:36)

4. Influencer and Reality TV Scandals—Love Island Huda Drama

• Timestamp 40:11–44:05
  • Love Island’s Huda Mustafa involved in a legal drama—accused by her boyfriend’s baby mama of making suicidal threats and approaching the family home, prompting an order of protection.
  • The hosts draw a clear distinction between "toxic but entertaining" behavior and crossing moral/legal lines, especially involving children.
  • Jackie: "When you're endangering a child...the buck ends there." (41:20)
  • Huda's decision to join Love Island as a single parent is judged harshly: "There were better ways to spend your summer." (Ben, 41:43)

5. Hot Takes on Viral & Celebrity News

• Timestamp 48:57–56:13
  • Donna Kelce’s new windows and the absurdity of modern news cycles—a light palette cleanser.
  • Social media personalities at Vanity Fair, e.g., Jake Shane’s awkward red-carpet moment and his place as interviewer or interviewee.
  • Post-Oscars: Joe Burrow, Alex Earl, Stassi Baby, and Tate McRae sharing a car—what does it mean?
    • The hosts humorously debate who the real connection is in the car, ultimately concluding, "Who you're in a car with isn’t always who you’re with for the night." (Jackie, 55:11)

6. Other Noteworthy Segments

• Notable Quotes

  • On motherhood and schedules: "It's one of my dreams as a mother to wake up before my children. I feel like that's how you really optimize your day." (Jackie, 52:11)
  • On influencer responsibility: "Honestly, being on the most popular reality show...I wouldn't detach so quickly from it because I don't know what's next. It's a big wide world." (Jackie, 35:36)
  • On viral slang: "Nightmare Fuel. Is that what the kids say?" (Jackie, 44:05)

• Quick Mention: Lizzo’s Children’s Book

  • Lizzo releases an empowering rhyming children’s book—sample lines are read and given a thumbs up by the hosts (59:37–60:23).

• Children’s Content Recommendation

  • The hosts praise "David," likening it to "The Prince of Egypt" and recommend it for families (60:25–61:20).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Breast Milk Magic:
  "It's not even science. It's magic. It's God." (Jackie, 01:28)
• On Color Theory:
  "If I showed you a brand new color, how do you describe a color without using other colors?" (Jackie, 08:18)
• On Reality TV Villains:
  "You either die the hero, or live long enough to become the villain." (Ben, 14:48)
• On Outgrowing Fame:
  "These girls are so young. They got so famous so quickly. Like, makes sense. No one knows how to handle that." (Ben, 14:52)
• On Drawing the Line:
  "When you’re endangering a child...the buck ends there." (Jackie, 41:20)
• On the Nature of Fame:
  "So hot and then you’re not. It ebbs and flows." (Ben, 35:36)
• On Influencer Career Moves:
  "I wouldn't detach so quickly from it because I don't know what’s next." (Jackie, 35:36)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:22–04:41: Opening (Two's Dairy, breast milk, migraine talk, color analysis tease)
• 03:43–15:10: SlamMU catch-up, personal favorites, dynamics in reality TV
• 20:34–33:17: Taylor & Dakota incident, domestic abuse allegations, show impact
• 33:25–39:12: Whitney’s possible exit, discussion of reality star career trajectories
• 40:11–44:05: Huda Mustafa drama, influencer accountability
• 48:57–51:38: Donna Kelce’s windows, modern news absurdity, motherhood routines
• 53:39–56:13: Oscars carpool photo mystery (Joe Burrow, Alex Earl, etc.)
• 59:00–60:23: Lizzo’s children’s book debut and sample reading
• 60:25–61:20: Children’s content recommendation—“David” film

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Overall Tone & Language

• Witty, irreverent, and quick—reflects the casual, inside-joke-heavy rapport of longtime friends and digital natives.
• Blunt and unsparing when addressing toxic or abusive behavior, especially in the reality TV/influencer space.
• Conversational, with soft moments about motherhood, personal growth, and nostalgia for comfort pop culture.
• Ready to pivot between snark, support, and earnest advice—embodying the "big sister" vibe the show is known for.

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Conclusion

This episode is a perfect snapshot of The Toast at its best—pop-culture-obsessed, deeply plugged in, and able to balance the frivolous with the substantial. Jackie and Ben (in for Claudia) offer not just recaps but nuanced commentary, drawing boundaries about what’s entertaining and what’s unacceptable in influencer/reality TV culture. If you missed the episode, you'll feel caught up on the week’s messiest stories—and entertained by their take-no-prisoners wit.

Transcript

[Jackie]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

[Ben]

It's your favorite show.

[Jackie]

The best five things you need to know.

[Ben]

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast.

[Jackie]

They sound amazing.

[Ben]

Welcome back to the Toast and happy.

[Jackie]

Great question. Tuesday, actually, it's a twos dairy. Because you're lactating and I'm wearing dairy boy.

[Ben]

No, wait, why is it a two?

[Jackie]

You're drinking dairy.

[Ben]

Dairy, like milk. Yeah. Are you. Oh, you brought me breast milk this

[Jackie]

morning because I brought you breast milk this morning.

[Ben]

In a lot of breast milks.

[Jackie]

In a breast milk exchange. A back alley breast milk exchange.

[Ben]

It was extremely sade what went on in the back alley here. Ben drove up in, like, a unmarked vehicle. Jackie pulled out a ciete branded lunchbox full of breast milk because there's a little virus running through our family and Jackie's producing antibodies. So the dairy farm. Yes. Today is Tuesday.

[Jackie]

It is too's dairy. In that breast milk are the latest antibodies that I've produced. Pumped fresh last night for Groovin.

[Ben]

We're looking forward to the antibodies joining us in our home.

[Jackie]

Yeah, breast milk is really amazing. I feel like I never, as I get older and, like, have more babies, I appreciate more, like, the science behind it. It's not even science. It's magic.

[Ben]

It's magic.

[Jackie]

It's God. Yeah, but God is science. If you believe like I do. If you're a believer. And I've always, like, known. It's amazing, you know, but, like, I just learn more and more about it, like, every single day. And it's like, as long as I confront the germ before Max does that he doesn't confront the germ with. To a person that I'm not confronting, which wouldn't happen.

[Ben]

You're always. You are always confronting germs.

[Jackie]

Always confronting the germ. Uh, then I will produce the antibodies and protect him before he has to confront that germ. Like, that's amazing. It's. I mean, don't get me started on the Architect, but I actually.

[Ben]

I will not get you started on the Architect.

[Jackie]

She should write a song about breast milk.

[Ben]

Well, she has to go on that journey first.

[Jackie]

She does. There are a lot of artists who I need to.

[Ben]

Who I need to breastfeed. No, I don't need to breastfeed them. Sorry. I need them to start breastfeeding so that they can write music about the magic of it.

[Jackie]

Oh, the magic of breastfeeding. Like, where's Gabby Barrett? Honestly, it's on her.

[Ben]

She's. Yeah, she's sort of like carrying.

[Jackie]

She's holding up. Women and mothers in music.

[Ben]

Now I just like to address some of like the obvious speculation about what's going on here today.

[Jackie]

That you're hungover.

[Ben]

People think I'm hungover, I'm sure. Or ready to deliver some harsh truths. Now I am, of course ready to deliver harsh truths, but that's not why I'm wearing my three blind mice sunglasses today. Actually, these are Jackies. What brand are they?

[Jackie]

I think they're Bottega.

[Ben]

Okay. Bottega.

[Jackie]

Yeah, Bottega. Just a casual sleigh on a Tuesday.

[Ben]

I have a migraine. Like an actual. Not a headache. Not a headache, a migraine. And under these bright lights, big city has big stars. I just. I needed to protect myself and my family.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I've been there. I know that.

[Ben]

I don't know if I've ever actually done the toes with like a full blown migraine. Oh, it has really just been creeping up on me all morning since I woke up.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that. It's the worst. I'm sorry. That's why, like, sometimes we're in our home studios, like I've asked if I could like do the show without like my bright lights on.

[Ben]

Yeah, right.

[Jackie]

And like you said no.

[Ben]

Well, you could have just worn sunglasses. Look at me, I'm doing it.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I guess I could have.

[Ben]

It's actually like I have to do it with the lights on because I don't let you, you know, but like

[Jackie]

if we here, I don't know what it would look like without our lights on. But like if we were in our home studios, like, I would. We're sitting in a lights off. It's a huge light sitting right on top of us. That can't be good.

[Ben]

I don't know.

[Jackie]

Workers comp.

[Ben]

We're. We're talking about the light and it's like making it worse, you know?

[Jackie]

Okay. Why don't you close your eyes for a couple minutes while you talk?

[Ben]

Okay. I feel like that's actually hard.

[Jackie]

It is. I watch Feels like a game.

[Ben]

A lot of secret lives and Mormon wives last night. And then there were also like a bunch of news stories coming out. We are going to talk about it today.

[Jackie]

Lead story is slammu news and recap.

[Ben]

And I guess I am. So I'm up to. I want to say the middle of episode seven, if you haven't watched it, there aren't going to be a lot of spoilers. We were just saying before this is Like a show you can't really spoil because it's all happened publicly already, so

[Jackie]

we just get to see the when and the why and who. What?

[Ben]

When, where, why, how?

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, but there's not really spoilers in terms of events or things that happen. Just conversations. Lots of conversations. Were always conversing. Oh, you know who was on the episode I just watched?

[Ben]

Your boyfriend, Harry Jowsey.

[Jackie]

Not my boyfriend. My son.

[Ben]

Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Your brother, Alex Warren.

[Jackie]

My son, Harry Jowsey was on slammu.

[Ben]

We need to make a family tree. Hold on. Like all them Jackies. Surrogate children like Harry Jowsey. Alex Warren. Who else?

[Jackie]

Charlie Puth. I look at him like a son.

[Ben]

Charlie somebody. I'd like to thank the person who commented this. Reminding me. We obviously have been talking a lot about our future project called Namesake, which is a podcast where we only interview people whose names we share. And then we decided to, like, as of yesterday, expand a little bit. And, like, we could interview people, like, named Ben or people named Trout. You know, unfortunately, that means we might have to interview Ben Platt one day. So we can't. We have to go back to the original plot where it was just people named Reuben, Harry, Max, Charlie, Claudia, Jackie.

[Jackie]

Okay, Benzak.

[Ben]

No, no, not Benzak.

[Jackie]

Not Ben.

[Ben]

Because I'm Ben. Plat be.

[Jackie]

No, but that doesn't mean we have to have on Ben Platt. Like, we can be discerning. We don't have to have on every Ben who walks through the door. It's still up to us.

[Ben]

Besides, for Ben, softer, like, who's your favorite Ben? You weren't expecting such a tough question from a girl whose eyes are closed. Are you?

[Jackie]

I was.

[Ben]

My eyes are so close.

[Jackie]

The only person who comes to mind right now would be Benson Boone.

[Ben]

Not the same. I said Ben. Just Ben. Benjamin. Ben Affleck. Ben Higgins.

[Jackie]

Oh, Ben Affleck. No, Ben Higgins. I'll go Ben. I'll go Ben Higgins. Besides your husband, who's your favorite pen?

[Ben]

We're talking about famous people.

[Jackie]

The question is open to interpretation.

[Ben]

I'm gonna go fan. I'm go celeb.

[Jackie]

There's not a lot. Benjamin Button. That's my favorite movie that I never saw.

[Ben]

You know who I love?

[Jackie]

That's my favorite movie to quote that I never saw.

[Ben]

Benjamin Moore.

[Jackie]

Ooh, that's a good one.

[Ben]

Makes really good paints.

[Jackie]

That is a good one.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I've got my eye on a shade of paint called Mannies. Has anyone used that?

[Ben]

My husband. If he decorated his house, it would

[Jackie]

be All I'm painting something I'm looking for, like, a nice, creamy color. And they're all, you know, white dove, Chantilly lace. And the one I have my heart set.

[Ben]

You know, decorators love white dove. Benjamin Moore.

[Jackie]

I know, but the one I have my heart set on is mayonnaise. Has anybody used mayonnaise by Benjamin Moore? I meant to pose it to my stories, but I thought it would be too random. But because it just came up organically in this conversation with Let me know.

[Ben]

I don't know if you can paint your house mayonnaise or whatever you're painting. It is so disgusting. Like, and if you run the risk of someone coming over being like, I love this color. What color is it? And you have to say mayonnaise.

[Jackie]

I can't decide if it being called mayonnaise is, like, drawing me to it because it's like, I want to, like, do something crazy, or if it's like, I like it so much despite the fact that it's called mayonnaise. I must love it then.

[Ben]

Well, I do often think about more so with nail colors. The person whose job it is, like, keep coming up with names for these colors. So I have a little bit of sympathy that, like, they maybe ran out of names for all these different variations of white. And Mayna's, like, it's quite. It's very direct, like.

[Jackie]

But if you think about, like, the creamy color that I want, mayo feels

[Ben]

like a little bit of, like, a yellow base.

[Jackie]

Actually, I like a little yellow. There's always going to be a base of something, so I prefer it to be yellower than gray or blue, like a creamy. I guess if you took the shade all the way up, you would hit the yellow sphere.

[Ben]

Don't you find that, like, colors and, like, color theory is so crazy.

[Jackie]

You want to hear the craziest thing I ever heard about colors?

[Ben]

I know what you're going to say. I heard it, too, and I actually, like, wish I didn't.

[Jackie]

What are you going to say? I'll say. I'll say, like, if I showed you a color.

[Ben]

Yeah, I'm going to. Yeah, mine's the same.

[Jackie]

If I showed you a color, how would you describe what you're seeing?

[Ben]

Like, so how do we know what we're seeing is the same?

[Jackie]

That's what I'm. Oh, that's not what I was going to say.

[Ben]

Okay, so we both agree that this is pink, right?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

How am I to be sure that, like, what I'm seeing is what you're seeing? You could Be seeing like yellow.

[Jackie]

As far as I know that is true. And what I was saying, it's like if I showed you a brand new color, like how, how do you describe a color without using other colors?

[Ben]

Right. Or you can like reference it to the sky.

[Jackie]

To the sky.

[Ben]

No, but what if what you think is blue is what I think is gray, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah. We are saying two different things.

[Ben]

We are, but that's what I mean.

[Jackie]

That's just color is just kind of. We're actually, we're doing a color analysis soon. We are, we are doing like a full in studio color analysis. She said that we shouldn't wear makeup. And I know you don't want to do that, but like I'm going full monty. I'm going to take my head off.

[Ben]

Okay. I won't wear makeup.

[Jackie]

I thought for sure we're always like without makeup on vlogs and stuff. I guess it'll be weird to be like in the lights without makeup. Like you really see.

[Ben]

She was like, if you must wear makeup, a little chapstick and mascara. I'm like, excuse me. I think you mean like a full beat. That's me wearing a little bit of makeup.

[Jackie]

I'm cracking up. No, but I'm like, we're doing this. We wanted to do it for so long. We have the specialist coming. Like, I want my true. I want my true colors are beautiful,

[Ben]

like rainbow. I actually saw a video speaking of, of somebody doing a color analysis on all the secret lives of Mormon wives in their ugly blue dresses from the finale, which, I mean from the intro theme song, which you sufficiently ever earned for me and somebody. You were like saying how the dresses like turn from beige to blue and they're all wearing. And you're right, the dresses are terrible.

[Jackie]

It's like two separate interests. Yeah.

[Ben]

Together. I saw somebody do a color analysis on what shade of blue each of them should be wearing instead. Like, you know, Macy should have gone, whatever. And it was quite interesting and I really do see the difference. Yeah.

[Jackie]

I'm very excited because there are colors that I like think are my color just because I enjoy wearing them. Like, of course pink comes to mind. But I do think I look amazing in pink and there are colors and I know that she's going to tell me, like, jewel tones.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I don't want to wear. I don't want to wear jewel tones. I don't want to be wearing emerald all the time. I prefer a mint green, so.

[Ben]

But no, mint green is like probably really not your color.

[Jackie]

Right. I wonder what she's gonna say, but I love pastels. If she tells me pastels aren't my color, like, I'm seriously gonna give her the boot.

[Ben]

I don't know, like today maybe it's because I'm wearing glasses.

[Jackie]

I feel like jewel tones are everyone's color.

[Ben]

I know you're looking kind of like and a creamy.

[Jackie]

What does she think about creamy mayonnaise?

[Ben]

You're definitely like a difficult person to analyze color wise because you have like red hair.

[Jackie]

But I do know that red and orange are not my colors. Watch. Of course. Actually, when I was like in my Cheryl Blossom era, I really enjoyed red. That was short lived and it was just a moment in time. It's not my color. I'm so curious what she's going to say. I'm excited about that. That's on Friday.

[Ben]

That's on Friday. We're also getting our birth charts read. We've decided to bring in like professionals to the Patreon. I'm really excited about it. I don't like really believe fully in the whole birth chart thing, but I'm excited.

[Jackie]

I'm open. I'm definitely especially as like we have children. Like, it's like, oh, do I need to be thinking about that?

[Ben]

A Saturn rising.

[Jackie]

Yeah, like you're such a Saturn rising.

[Ben]

Leo moon.

[Jackie]

You think so?

[Ben]

What kind of vibe do you get for me?

[Jackie]

Water sign facts. Do you think she'll say you're a water sign if she doesn't?

[Ben]

I mean if she's good at her job.

[Jackie]

Yeah. If she doesn't, like, we'll all know.

[Ben]

Yeah. That like it's fraud. Little programming announcement due to the migraine and my inability like really read fine print off the iPad. Dear Toasters has been moved till tomorrow.

[Jackie]

But I think it's fine because there's a lot of stories today. I have to whittle them down during the ad break and slammu recaps story. Like there's just a lot going on today.

[Ben]

Yeah. I do love like the eras. I feel like it happens twice a year because ever since Secret Lives came out and they're just churning out lots of seasons, like when we're in the Secret Lives like week. Do you know what I mean?

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Ben]

Like when the, when the episodes come out and I love that they always release them all in batches. Everybody's watching it for a week and then there's stories coming out, people going on podcasts. It's such like a fun time to be a toast podcast host.

[Jackie]

It is. And I just remembered that that was my postpartum show, which doesn't even feel like that long ago. Like, that's how quickly they're working. But I guess it's been like four months. Maxi's in this fourth.

[Ben]

It was my postpartum show, too, the previous season, and that's why I like so much.

[Jackie]

And then four months, I'm.

[Ben]

I feel, like, very endeared to it for that reason.

[Jackie]

It's been nine months in, four months out.

[Ben]

Nine and a half, actually.

[Jackie]

Nine and a half. And Maxi's like four.

[Ben]

When my nipples were, like, seriously bleeding, cracking, screaming, crying, throwing up, and, like, you just needed to distract yourself so that the bab could eat. Secret Lives and Mormon Wives were there for me in such a deep and meaningful way.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ben]

I love them. Girls, who's your favorite?

[Jackie]

Oh, that's a great question. So I am very impartial to Jesse because I met her and she came on the toast and she was incredible.

[Ben]

And she's just like a lifelong toaster supporter. Buys our merch.

[Jackie]

Usually. Like, I have to really just judge the art. Like, a lot of people I've heard watch the. Not from Secret Lives, but just in general and really doesn't inform how I see them on the show. Like, I'm just. But, like, she gave an amazing performance on the toast. She was so sweet. Everything about her. Like, I was just dazzled. Dazzled. And I thought she was an amazing woman. And I like her on the show, too. I think she has, like, pretty good judgment. So I am impartial to Jesse. Then. It used to be Taylor, Frankie, of course, this is not her season and just. It's just a roller coaster. You know, in the beginning, I wasn't, like, a huge TFP fan because I was just, like, not my. My type of person. Like, someone who just operates in chaos all the time. Like, that's literally the opposite of me.

[Ben]

I agree.

[Jackie]

But then, like, I started to just feel really, like, badly and, like, soft towards her. And that grace period has ended.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But we'll get into the stories, and it's not even just because of last night, but you can only, like, really do that for so long.

[Ben]

Yeah. Especially when, like, you're a woman with agency, you have children. Like, it's on you to be mature and better and, like, want more for your life and your family.

[Jackie]

I am loving Whitney.

[Ben]

Of course. Me too.

[Jackie]

And it's.

[Ben]

That's what's so funny about the show and why it's so good is that it's so dynamic. It's always changing I don't have a

[Jackie]

clear favorite at all.

[Ben]

Even some seasons, I, like, really hate people. And then the next season, I really like with Whitney. We all hated Whitney so much. And now she's, like, literally America's sweetheart.

[Jackie]

Even with Michaela, like, watching, like, the second season or whatever, it was like she was hardcore the villain. Like, being so nasty to Whitney for really, like, give it up for no reason. Like, just, like, loving hating her. Even when they flash back to that scene of Demi being like, if Whitney doesn't walk into the event right now, all unfollow her and they're all losers.

[Ben]

Like, yes. That scene was so embarrassing. I remember that.

[Jackie]

And so, like, Michaela's had some really low moments for me. And then last night, I was watching her, and there were so many things I could relate to her when she started crying, feeling bad that she wasn't there for Whitney when she just had her baby. And because she was, like, with her baby and just realizing she.

[Ben]

That was a very human moment.

[Jackie]

It was. And, like, I felt it to my core.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I'm like, you know what? And also, like, Michaela grudges hard and sometimes necessarily, like, with Chase and stuff. And like, the. We need that. So she went too hard with Whitney. Didn't agree. I am agreeing today with how she's operating this season. So I think that's what makes the show really strong. It's not like it all hinges on one person. There are aspects of. To me that I really like.

[Ben]

Right.

[Jackie]

And that I.

[Ben]

She was my favorite for the first. I think a lot of people, that's. You either die the hero or live long enough to become the villain.

[Jackie]

I think that's what made her a really quick turnaround. Yeah.

[Ben]

I mean, these girls are so young. They got so famous so quickly. Like, makes sense. No one knows how to handle that.

[Jackie]

No. And I think, like, net. Net. It's just been. It's really hard. I think they're all like, we were touching on it yesterday, and we'll get into it with this next story. But, like, it's not all it's cracked up to be.

[Ben]

We have Huda from Love Island Story. Okay. That is also, like, the craziest thing.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And it feels good to know, like, I hated Huda from, like, the very beginning, and I never gave her a second chance because I knew there was something, like, deeply sinister about her. And, like, the show sort of rewrote her story. And, like, I just never bought it. And it feels good to have been right. You know, it' happen to me all the time. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Okay, let's get into the stories, because we're like, getting into the stories. So without further ado, here are the fast five stories that we're going to get into.

[Ben]

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[Jackie]

Heck yeah. Turdy Rosie.

[Ben]

I'm so rosy.

[Jackie]

Oh, okay.

[Ben]

Sorry, I did the wrong one. No, no, that's wrong, guys. Who am I?

[Jackie]

She's just saying stuff now.

[Ben]

We need like, a bandana.

[Jackie]

Slay mama.

[Ben]

Slay mama. Rosie ate down with that pesty.

[Jackie]

Our first story. Crazy news update from yesterday. Secret lives of Morm arrives. Taylor and Dakota are undergoing a psych eval after domestic incident. So yesterday we reported that pause filming had been paused because there was an incident between Taylor and Dakota. Honestly, I don't know why I didn't take it, like, more seriously to realize that, like, if filming was paused, like, it was big. It was really big. But production has been put on ice after allegations of child and spousal abuse. And we've learned it's gotten so crazy that Taylor and Dakota have been ordered to get psych evaluations.

[Ben]

This is an article clarifying that actually just Taylor's required to get the psycho.

[Jackie]

There's a lot of, like, things flying. So there is flying. Sources with direct knowledge tell tmz. Dakota has called the Utah division of Child and Family Services more than a few times alleging Taylor has been physically abusive to their son. Ever who turns to this week. Sources say Taylor denies the allegation and Dakota has become frustrated that no action has been taken. Things came to a head last month when Taylor and Dakota were driving in his car and got in a heated argument. Were told a drink was spilled on the seat and on Dakota and he became enraged. Sources connected to Taylor say he got physical with her. TMZ is told Dakota called the police and said Taylor was the one who got physical. Taylor sources say that Dakota went MIA for nearly three weeks after the incident and that's why production stopped. He has an important part in the show and producers wanted to wait until he resurfaced. Sources connected to the show tell a different story. That cast members refused to continue filming despite producers wanting to keep filming because of the child and spouse. Yeah, obviously separate from the car incident. Since DCFS has received number numerous calls from Dakota alleging abuse. There is currently an open investigation and TM's learned TMZ has learned that both Taylor and Dakota were ordered by DCFS to undergo a psych evaluation. The psych eval has not been performed. Sources say production is about to resume. It's unclear what role Dakota will have moving forward. There were also allegations that she was physical with Dakota choking him with a necklace. Him with a necklace. And that then he then called the police and she convinced him to change his story and say that he was fine. And then a few days later she, like, scratched his face and a friend saw like the damage. And then police were called again.

[Ben]

There's so many elements of this to discuss. Like one, how did all of this happen without anyone knowing? And then literally he was in LA with her at the Oscars because she was at the Oscars. And then the next morning we're reporting that something happened.

[Jackie]

So I don't think this has anything to do with the Oscars. I think this has been ongoing for a month and we're just finding out about it. Some of this sounds like it's what happened and there's a lot of conflicting stories. So I think that either they stopped filming because no one was filmed with them until this was settled. Maybe the whole cast knew those this was going on for the last month and they've been trying to sort it out and they've been filming and now production has been paused indefinitely, maybe because of the investigation. But the allegations are that there was physical abuse in the house between Taylor and Dakota. Maybe both A's, maybe One way. And that abuse of ever.

[Ben]

Yeah. So I just want to say, like, personally, I'm out now. Like, this is not funny. I think these people are, like, disgusting trash. And I don't, like, think it's funny or entertaining. And I think they should, like, seriously both be fired from the show. And if you're, like, watching the season, I don't think either one of them is the villain. I think that they're both abusive. I think, like, two things can be true. And if you're watching the show now, she's, like, so on a spiral. Like, she has this disagreement with her mom. No, no. So she sleeps with Dakota, and then

[Jackie]

she kind of has the one at. In la.

[Ben]

In la. And she comes back and, like, has to tell her mom. And it is, like, the craziest. Her mom is, like, awful. It is the craziest conversation. Just, Taylor's, like, so nuts. She's, like, screaming so disrespectful at her mom. And it's just, like, I feel, like, emblematic of the fact that, like, she's clearly unwell at this point. And that's why I'm, like, more inclined to think that, like, especially because this is not their first domestic violence, like, police call. There was one, like, two seasons ago, and that was Taylor also being the physical one. So, like, I think that he's really toxic in a lot of ways. I never thought or felt like he was physically abusive. Just, like, really narcissistic, toxic loser.

[Jackie]

Like, can't stop cheating, can't stop talking to girls.

[Ben]

And, like, her thing was the physical abuse. And, like, I don't know now that, like, there are allegations being made of the kid. Like, I personally, like, will not be getting involved in this sort of thing. I don't know how this makes any. Like, what does this mean for the Bachelor? Because the crazy thing is that, like, she came and filmed the Bachelor, and now we know she's hanging out with Dakota. So it's like, you slept with him before and you're. So this is not a he. This is not a person.

[Jackie]

I saw a screenshot from Reality Steve, that Dakota's roommate shared with him, where Taylor called Dakota 150 times in 90 minutes. And she's supposed. And this is post Bachelor, she's supposed to have another man. She obviously probably does not have another man at the moment. Maybe that's why she's going back to Dakota. But, yeah, this makes the whole season of the Bachelor at Null and Void, not only because she's, like, back with Null and Void. But because like she's now being accused of abuse of her partner and child abuse. And I just want to say, like, I honestly am in disbelief. Like I actually cannot imagine that that's what happened. And these are all rumors and I pray that that part's not true. And I pray that that's just like someone slinging mud at her. Because if that's true, that's the most disgusting thing you can do. So I think I'll wait like, like till there's more information. But I think there was child abuse allegations, but also the fact that like the choking happened with ever in the room. Like when she was abused, her and Dakota were violent and she's abusive that it was the child was in the room. And by the way, this is all alleged, so we don't know what's what, but this is what's being reported.

[Ben]

And I will say from watching the show and I was texting you this last night, there's so many times what Taylor walks into her parents house and ever is there, like, I don't know if she like spent the night there, he spent the night there. And I remember thinking like how odd that was. But honestly, like, thank God.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Because I don't like her parents. I think they're so mean.

[Jackie]

Mean in general. I mean to her.

[Ben]

To her. And there's just been like a lot of instances where like her stepdad like says crazy things and then her mom's like the worst, but it's better than what's going on at her house. Yeah, I'm so like over this. And so when I was watching the episodes last night, I watched like episode five, six and seven and they were very Taylor heavy. And like she's just so manic. She's going with her genealogist to go find her half siblings, opening the wound of like her birth father who she met once. And it's a lot of like random plot lines for Taylor that like I personally don't care about. And second of all, she's acting so crazy. And then I also had seen the news and I was just like, I. I have actually like written her off. So it's so Taylor heavy when actually there's so many other interesting things happening in the show where I feel like mom talk is kind of becoming like this. It's almost like a burden for some of the women. And I get what they're saying, like the beauty of mom talk. And like one of the benefits of being in mom talk is like you get a book deal or you get a brand Deal. You know that all the women are going to show up for you, making it a bigger deal. And you have to go to other people's so that they come to yours. Macy has this book event and it's actually really interesting. Macy has this book event and she asked Jesse to, like, moderate the conversation. Jesse said yes. They ended up having to move the book event one day.

[Jackie]

And it was that because of the sales thing. I saw the conversation with her.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Jackie]

They moved it to a different place.

[Ben]

A different place. And they pushed it back one day.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Ben]

And Jesse was like, well, I can't do that. I agreed to do unwell event. And all the girls are like, that's really lame of you. Like, to choose this unwell event over our book event. Like, you know, mom talk. You have to be here for mom talk. Mom talk. Mom talk. And Jesse was like, you know what? I would never want to hurt your feelings. I'll say no to the event. And like, you're right. So she goes. And it was like, okay. They strong armed Jesse into going. Even though, like, all the girls are always taking opportunities to further their own careers, they all support that too.

[Jackie]

I imagine the unwell event was paid.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And the Macy event was not paid.

[Ben]

So then for the Macy event, Jen and Whitney were gonna fly in for it. And Whitney has been flying back and forth. She had to go to Utah for an event. She's sobbing with Connor, like, a couple days before. She just feels so overwhelmed. She feels like she's really not being present with Billy and the kids. And this is just her dream. And, like, she's just feeling so torn. And Jen had a similar conversation with Zach about, you know, he was complaining about how she's not being a good wife. It's like, not the time. Like, seriously, not the time. Shut up. And so she's like, I know that if I go to this event, like, I have to fly back to Utah, come back for rehearsals, like, it's just gonna break me. But I don't know how to prioritize myself. And Connor really encourages her to be like, you don't have to go. Like, you don't have to go. You have to go. So she doesn't go. And then Jen gets sick, and Jen also doesn't go. So it's like all the girls who aren't being tapped for Nancy with the stars sitting at Macy's book event just sort of being like, you have to be here for mom talk. Like, if mom talk doesn't and then mom talk doesn't, and it's like, well, y. Yes, but they're on Dancing with the Stars. Like, I feel like that's a valid excuse.

[Jackie]

I agree.

[Ben]

When you're all in Utah, like, you gotta go. You know, there's literally Layla's sitting there being like, you know, like, I would love to go and Call her daddy one day, but, like, you know what? I would still go to Macy's. And it's like, girl, no, you wouldn't. Like, it's easy for you to say that because the idea of you being on Call Her Daddy's, like, actually never gonna happen. Jesse was saying, like, I'm really hoping to line up an interview on Call Her Daddy in the fall when the show premieres. Like, she's just being very honest about her. I actually respected that. And Layla was like, you know, maybe, like, if I got invited on Call Her Daddy, like, I would still, like, my time would come, it would come again. Like, you know, and it's like, it's very easy for you to say because there's no invitation coming.

[Jackie]

Yeah, there might be, but still, like, you gotta make moves and I understand that. That's really tough.

[Ben]

Also, it's becoming like this ball and chain thing where it's like all the girls are kind of. They haven't been bitter this entire time. But then Layla's like, you know, I post every week for Jen and Whitney's voting and they're not here. Like, Layla was really taking up and Michaela too, and I just thought it was really loser. They just looked bitter and.

[Jackie]

No, it's very, like, unsympathet. You know, they also have little babies and they're. So it's a flight for them, it's not a flight for you. There's a difference between having, you know, a baby and first of all, for Jen, a newborn baby. For Whitney, her baby's probably 1 years old. Like, there's a difference between leaving a baby versus, like a toddler and flying. And for them not to, like, have any sort of grace is actually surprising. I know.

[Ben]

I. I think the whole, like, you have to show up for Mom Talk, that's actually a very good philosophy. I think that's why Mom Talk is so successful and they all get these deals and. But of course, everybody living in LA having to compete on this, like, highly competitive, very time consuming show, you do get a pass.

[Jackie]

No, I would think.

[Ben]

And they're like, well, Whitney. Oh, Whitney's scarred because she'd go to baby mama, right? And they keep bringing up. It's like. And she was like, literally shaking. She was like, but baby mama, you know?

[Jackie]

And it's like, this is not baby.

[Ben]

You don't have to go.

[Jackie]

She should have gone to baby mama to support her best friend's event down the street. And she only didn't because she was like beefing with other girls and she was being a coward. This is not that. That, no.

[Ben]

But she has baby mama trauma and they just keep bringing it up and the girls are bringing it up and Connor's like, Connor is the voice of reason. I was so bored on the episodes last night. I am tuning in for one thing and one thing only. I have got to know what the happened between Jen and Whitney on Dancing with the Stars. They keep teasing. They're both doing glam, having this explosive fight where Whitney's like, I haven't seen it yet. Whitney's like, you don't get to co opt having a dream. Like, you're not the only one who wants this, this. And storms out. I need to see it. Like, I'm literally only tuning in for that because 5, 6 and 7. The genealogist taking a trip to go meet your half siblings. Like, bored to tears.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I guess Taylor has to sort of resolve her daddy issues before she starts the Bachelor.

[Ben]

But now knowing what we know, now

[Jackie]

knowing, you know, it's all moved. But I guess like, she slept with Dakota. The next day they run into Jesse Palmer. I think all the girls were like, that was hilarious. Not understanding, like, she's acting like it's not a big deal that she slept with Dakota, but it is a big deal. Yeah.

[Ben]

I think she also like looks at the Bachelorette thing. It's just like a gig, not a journey to find yourself.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Like, she's a reality star, a professional influencer and like, this is just her next job.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And so like the fake dating with

[Ben]

the dating coaches on the show, like, please spare me.

[Jackie]

Yeah. No, it comes from within. And I am seeing more of like what you were saying about how Miranda would have been a good tap. It just wouldn't have been as buzzy.

[Ben]

I don't know if anyone would have watched, but do you think that overwhelmingly this like Taylor Dakota drama will end up being good for the Bachelor or bad? Because it's like everyone is talking about the lead and her show starts.

[Jackie]

This is really bad.

[Ben]

Yeah, I agree.

[Jackie]

I think that they are in crisis mode right now. And yeah, maybe it. Maybe it would be good for like the first episode numbers, but when you hit like child abuse allegations, like there nothing good. There's not it's not buzzy. It's not really interesting. Like, that's a hard line that people draw. And we're all waiting to hear more. But, like, if any of that is true, like, I'm not watching. I was so excited.

[Ben]

I know, I know.

[Jackie]

And she's still, like, with toxic Dakota. Like, I'm gonna give it a couple days to hear more just because none of this is verified, but. And if you're Taylor and, like, maybe you didn't do those things and now the worst is being said about you. Like, and if it's not true, that would be really awful. But if it is true or if there's even, like, a US Sliver. A sliver Sniff.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Of truth to it. No. I'm out.

[Ben]

Agreed.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So I don't think that. I don't think that's good.

[Ben]

I don't think that's good either.

[Jackie]

Oh, also, it's well put. More slammu news, because when Whitney's hinting at leaving Secret lives in Mormon.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So she admitted that it feels like it's time to leave the show after four seasons. She told the Hollywood Reporter, I wouldn't be where I am without slammu, but it feels like time to change, challenge myself in other ways and fulfill these dreams and passions that I've been trying to get even before the show. Well, I'm figuring it out in real time, she said, adding that her and her husband are figuring it out together.

[Ben]

Well, the thing about Shalom is, like,

[Jackie]

the trajectory of where it's going.

[Ben]

Of course, the thing about secret lies that I actually really like is, like, people kind of come and go, like they quit and then they come back in the same season. So it feels a little bit, like, transient. Then it's always like, a storyline, like, are we letting you back into mom talk? So I do feel like she actually could take a season off, fulfill more of her dreams. I don't know, like, in terms of, like, dancing and performing, like, beyond Broadway. What else is there? Like, she did Dancing with a Star. She's on Broadway. So what else? I think she did say she wants to be in the movies.

[Jackie]

That's how I feel. Like, maybe I should be dreaming bigger. Like, maybe I can't see the vision that she sees, but it's like, what else can you do with, like, this amazing razzmatazz dance being that you are. Is she gonna get other Broadway roles?

[Ben]

Perhaps?

[Jackie]

Does she sing enough to get other mother roles?

[Ben]

She sings like. She sings good. She does. She there actually have been lip syncing allegations so.

[Jackie]

Oh, that's how good it is.

[Ben]

Yeah, but she sings like very.

[Jackie]

I guess you could also lip sync and if you're selling tickets like people will want to have you on Broadway. Okay, so I guess like a career in Broadway but like that's not going

[Ben]

to pay the bills.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I don't know that that's like

[Ben]

better for a family of five in New York City.

[Jackie]

Reality TV star. And so my opinion, and I might be wrong because I just can't see the bigger picture, see what she's dreaming of. And she might, might have dreams and that she will achieve, but my opinion is that she should stay on the show. It is like the bedrock of the success of her career. And come in and out and do whatever she wants, say no to nothing, but always try to give back to the show. And that does not mean running to Macy's Book of Ann in Utah. And the women will have to be understanding. But if she's looking out for number one, like I think being a part of the show is a good thing and I wouldn't detach so quickly from it because I don't know what's next. It's a big wide world. It's so scary out there and I, I don't, I don't see the vision but maybe I just don't have vision.

[Ben]

But also the thing with like the nature of this industry is like you're so hot and then you're not in. It like ebbs and flows. So like I, I don't know if I would be mad if she took like a one season break like to finish in this episode that I just watched. Her Christmas movie gets greenlit and she's like hysterically crying like this is her dream. So I do think she has dreams beyond maybe just dancing and performing to being like an actress. I, I think honestly like doing some like random Christmas movies.

[Jackie]

It's

[Ben]

pales in comparison to being on the biggest show on Hulu.

[Jackie]

I agree. Also I can't cite one person who has successfully made the jump from reality TV to actual movie star. Not just like get some gigs or whatever. Like everyone who joins reality TV like wants that like Vanderpump rules. Everyone's living in la, they want to. I cannot think of one who successfully made the jump. And it's not just like, like bits and bobs of acting things.

[Ben]

Can you tell me any reality stars or influencers? No, not influencers.

[Jackie]

Cuz like some influencers have like to say influencers. It would be just good to get

[Ben]

context or influencers who have made the successful jump into movie stardom.

[Jackie]

Yeah, there's definitely someone. I feel like I'm cracking up.

[Ben]

By the way, did you see, like, Jake Shane is in hot water for something. He sat on the Vanity Fair red carpet.

[Jackie]

What does he say?

[Ben]

He was talking to Julie Fox and she was just kind of being like artsy and patronizing about like, how the film if I had legs, I'd kick you, yada yada. And Jake just interjected, was like, yeah, but wasn't that kid annoying? Like, funny? And like, and now everyone's using it as like a statement on journalism. And it's like, well, you hired funny people and they were being funny.

[Jackie]

Like, he wasn't hired to be a journalist. He was hired to be a funny.

[Ben]

And it was a Vanity Fair after party. Like, it's just supposed to be light. It wasn't like, you know.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And it was like, funny.

[Jackie]

That is really funny. How did Julia handle it?

[Ben]

You know, she's like so artsy. She was like, well, okay, Jamie Chopped started on the Real World San Diego, and she did act in The Hangover Part 2 and Sucker Place.

[Jackie]

Yeah, she did. Okay, good one.

[Ben]

This doesn't count. But Jennifer Hudson, she was on a competition show. That doesn't count.

[Jackie]

Okay, but that's. These are good. And it's showing like the what there is show. Continue.

[Ben]

Here is a good one. Awkwafina.

[Jackie]

Amazing.

[Ben]

Started as a viral Internet personality slash rapper and then became a legit film star.

[Jackie]

Great.

[Ben]

Emma Stone. No, they say that she appeared on a VH1 reality casting show up. No big names who tried but didn't cross over. Actually, like Kim Kardashian.

[Jackie]

But she's still on her show. She's still on her show.

[Ben]

And Logan Paul Chat says, like, didn't do it successfully. Honestly. Aquafina. That's it.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Okay.

[Ben]

Addison Ray. But no, she did one movie.

[Jackie]

Addison Ray. But she did cross over from digital to a traditional.

[Ben]

But we're also. We're talking about like actual, like, like,

[Jackie]

I guess it's easier for the singers cuz like, Alex Warren is another one of like, influencer. You're talking about movies. No, no, no, I'm. I'm saying it's easier for the singers.

[Ben]

Yes, yes. Because like, having Internet.

[Jackie]

She wants to become a pop star.

[Ben]

Having Internet background as a singer gives you credibility in the music industry. Like, oh, you have followers who will buy tickets. Having influencer roots in like movie stardom is just considered. It's like frowned upon. It's like, look down on So I

[Jackie]

think it will be a really hard, hard trail for her to blaze. Not saying that it can't be done. And I think ultimately, being on the most popular reality show, it's like. And I also compare her a little bit to, like, Ariana Maddox, just because of the.

[Ben]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Jackie]

And, like, now Ariana has the Love island hosting, which I think is. Things have simmered, but things have simmered. And I think if Vanderpump Rules was in its heyday, like, it would be a good thing for her to be on it. Yeah.

[Ben]

Like, she left the show, but then

[Jackie]

the show also ended.

[Ben]

Like.

[Jackie]

No, I don't.

[Ben]

It was a bad show.

[Jackie]

No, it literally ended when she walked out, and they followed her out of the party and talked shit about her, and that was, like, the last of the show. So I think. I don't know, but maybe I'm just thinking too small.

[Ben]

Yeah, maybe. She must not be taking this question, like, this decision lightly. It's a big decision. I think she should stay. If she leaves, I think it's okay to leave for a season, have all the girls talk about you, and then come back, and then it's like, you know, we're back.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But I feel like the girls should understand if she leaves her season, she should still support the women as much as she can to leave the door open to her coming back. Back. Because if she, like, leaves and doesn't, like, forget the thing, forgets, like, the thing that made her what she was, which it doesn't sound like she's talking that way. She.

[Ben]

But she has been stepping out with, like, Demi a lot. They were paparazzi together. That's, like, also a weird element. Yeah. Also, I think something that we don't think about with other shows because, like, they're all fake friendships. I think there are a lot of real friendships here, like, her and Michaela, like, being best, best friends. Like, so I think that there's also, like, an emotional element to it.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Yeah. We'll see our next story. Huda Mustafa from Love island allegedly threatened her boyfriend's young son.

[Ben]

So her son's mother, her boyfriend's baby mama, has now put out an order of protection against herself and her son, against Huda, because apparently a night in February, like, the craziest thing happened. She thought that her man wasn't answering the phone, that he was out cheating. She was sending him, like, rage texts. I'm showing up your baby mama's house. I know you're at baby mama's house. Woman's house. Literally goes to this woman's house where her son lives, is sending pictures of the stairwell to the boyfriend, being like, look, I'm here. Come out. I know you're cheating. Like, really crazy behavior. And literally goes to this woman's house.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Now, if you watch a season of

[Jackie]

Love island, it's really not that surprising.

[Ben]

But again, because that was her being, you know, behaving.

[Jackie]

There's a difference between, like, being toxic with your fellow toxic partner and just, like, living in a state of toxicity and. Yes, you know, whatever. And then there's children.

[Ben]

No. And then it's like other people who aren't a part of it. Oh, yeah.

[Jackie]

But, like, children.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So if she was just, you know, at her ex's house, like, banging down the door. That's like classic Huda and that's just toxic. People doing toxic things. But, like, when you're endangering a child.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

The buck ends there.

[Ben]

And so she actually sent a text message that was like, you know, very classic manipulator being like, I'm gonna kill myself if you don't call me back. I'm gonna kill myself. And then she goes, I swear in my daughter's life, I'm gonna kill myself.

[Jackie]

Forgot she has a child.

[Ben]

Yeah. And I just feel like maybe now is a time, like, a safe space where I can say, like, I think it was weird that she went on Love island when she had a kid at home.

[Jackie]

As, like, a single parent 1000%.

[Ben]

Now I feel like I can say that. Like, I just feel like there were better ways to spend your summer.

[Jackie]

I agree. Especially if you are looking for a partner. There are even better shows where you could find a real. You're not finding. It's not a love of your life on Love island unless you're Molly Mae.

[Ben]

When people leave their children to go on, like, Love is blind, I'm like, you know what?

[Jackie]

What? You could be serious, Find an amazing connection on Love is Mine. It's a don't do the heart rate

[Ben]

challenge in your underwear.

[Jackie]

You're not serious.

[Ben]

You're not seriously looking for a partner. Like, that's insane. Yeah. And I just feel like that's something that.

[Jackie]

That we're gonna, like, just judge you on out of the gate.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Love island with a child.

[Ben]

Plus, she's a crazy person. There was so much crazy behavior on that show. And, you know, she was. She knew she was on camera. So, like, this was her version of the brain did. Yeah. A crazy, crazy. Like, this is not surprising. I, like, don't stand. I don't follow. Like, this is not for me, but

[Jackie]

she's had a lot of drama since the season. This is, like the biggest news. But there's always, you know, the crazy posts and things that she's.

[Ben]

And the show just kept her on. Like they were doing all these different votes and challenges just to make sure she never went home.

[Jackie]

Rehabilitate her with, like, her happy ending with Chris at the end. And even he couldn't.

[Ben]

I forgot about that ending with Chris.

[Jackie]

Hold it together.

[Ben]

Yeah. Because he. He obviously I would love. Like, like, yeah.

[Jackie]

And they really thought they were, like, doing something. And who was Chris originally into? Shelly, remember? And then, like, he chose Hood over Shelly and they were like. And.

[Ben]

And Shelly was.

[Jackie]

No.

[Ben]

And Hood was like, I'm bringing him back to the villa for you.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And then they had, like, literally two episodes where things were quiet before she was, like, starting yelling at him in the night for not having sex with her in the three hour window. They got to sleep.

[Ben]

That was really crazy.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

She's so crazy.

[Jackie]

She is. She's really scary.

[Ben]

She's scary.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Yeah, it's like that.

[Ben]

Funny.

[Jackie]

In the documents obtained by tmz, the ex, her boyfriend's ex, Lewis's ex, her name is Nicole, claims that Hooda swore on her daughter's life that she was going to kill herself and then made a bunch of terrifying, quote and quote, extremely mentally unstable threats against herself, her daughter and Nicole's son before showing up to Nicole's home and breaking into the building.

[Ben]

Oh, my God. Like, and the thing is, I think a lot of people would be like, oh, well, this baby mama's just, like, trying to get clout. She is the most private person. Like, you can't even find a picture of her. Like, she wants no part of this.

[Jackie]

Yeah, what a nightmare. Like, to have that relationship ex and your baby daddy, like, start dating, like, the most toxic, crazy woman on the

[Ben]

planet, and then you have to let your kid go hang out with them.

[Jackie]

Like crazy nightmare.

[Ben]

Nightmare fuel.

[Jackie]

Yeah, Nightmare fuel. Is that what the kids say?

[Ben]

Oh, yeah. You don't know that one?

[Jackie]

No.

[Ben]

Is that great?

[Jackie]

Like, I guess so.

[Ben]

Sometimes the kids eat, like some people.

[Jackie]

They used to say this stuff of nightmares.

[Ben]

Yeah. Now it's nightmare fuel.

[Jackie]

Now it's nightmare fuel. Okay, bestie, say less. Are you ready for our next story?

[Ben]

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[Jackie]

Thank you. Turd back.

[Ben]

You're welcome.

[Jackie]

Our next story, an update. In one of the biggest stories of the year. Donna Kelce's windows have been installed.

[Ben]

Do you think she got free windows like for all.

[Jackie]

I don't know. I feel like no. I feel like no one is really optimizing. I also feel like she doesn't really. She just wanted to replace her windows. Like I think she needed impact windows.

[Ben]

Right?

[Jackie]

There was old windows and so she just needed something sturdier. But TMZ is on the scene. Thank God. I saw of the workers install installing her new windows, installing some chocolate. So it's new South Window Solutions. They believe they found a solution to Donna's old semi sealed windows. They showed up with bright shiny four panel windows. We're told they're not.

[Ben]

How did TMZ know to have a photographer like that? That today was the day.

[Jackie]

I feel like they've been staking out the place.

[Ben]

You think like for four days.

[Jackie]

For days. Yeah. It's the biggest story in the world. It's the biggest thing that they've done in a while. They are treating this story like first they reported it just because it must have been a slow news day and they had the docs that filed a permit. So they were like, okay, It's John and Kelsey. It became the biggest story. The fact that they reported the story and now they are treating it like

[Ben]

the serious story that it is.

[Jackie]

Serious news that it is, is. They said as they said, as we reported, Donna will replace nine windows total. We don't know the status of the six doors she plans on replacing.

[Ben]

Maybe that's a project for later.

[Jackie]

They said story developing.

[Ben]

Okay. I like that they're like getting in on the joke 1000% because they inadvertently. That's what's so funny about, like, online news. It used to be, like all the news that's fit to print. Like, obviously this would never make news because it was like limited space on the newspaper, but thanks to the digital age, like, you can just report endlessly.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And so we just found ourselves in a very funny pickle. This is honestly, this is something that would have ended up on. On sgn.

[Jackie]

Some good news. No, smn. Some mindless news. We should start that.

[Ben]

Hosted by Kelly Ripa.

[Jackie]

And I love that. I love mindlessness. It's crazy that they're like taking pictures of her house and posting them.

[Ben]

Yeah. I'm like, waiting. Oh, my God. Forgot to brush my teeth this morning.

[Jackie]

That's really weird.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

No, it was like, how does that happen?

[Ben]

It was like a crazy morning. I had to like, rush up. I was making soup for rue Rue. Sick.

[Jackie]

What kind of soup?

[Ben]

Chicken.

[Jackie]

I made soup yesterday and you want to know something that happened in my soup that was an accidental act of beauty. So I put egg noodles in my soup. They're supposed to cook for seven minutes, then they would be ready to enjoy with your soup. But I got busy and the soup disintegrated. They disintegrated into the soup, making it so creamy. It was so, so good. No, no. Why? Yucky.

[Ben]

I don't know.

[Jackie]

Like crazy that something can disintegrate. And instead of having just like clear broth with like chunks of vegetables and. And it was like. You had a stew. I had. And I had a creamy chicken soup, which I usually can't have because I wouldn't put butter in it or a parmesan rind like they say to do.

[Ben]

I forgot to brush my teeth.

[Jackie]

So it was a non dairy way of having a creamy chicken soup.

[Ben]

I don't know that this has ever happened to me. I'm like obsessed with taking care of my teeth. Like, I'm always like, oh, right, you didn't explain.

[Jackie]

So you made a soup to brush your teeth.

[Ben]

So like. No, no. There was just like a Lot going on. Like when Ruby woke up, he usually wakes me up. But I was able to like get a few things done before he woke up. Same thing.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Like, so I got the soup, I put it in a bottle. Cuz he said sick. And then I also. He's on flamotine so I got to get his meds. Like I was just like being a mom.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it's my dream. Oh.

[Ben]

And then like he took a really long time to take the soup. So I was like laying in bed for 20 minutes with him. By the time I was ready to

[Jackie]

get up, it was already the second portion of the morning.

[Ben]

And normally I would have already brushed my teeth by then.

[Jackie]

I understand, man.

[Ben]

That's so crazy.

[Jackie]

It's one of my dreams as a mother to wake up before my children. You know, I feel like that's how you really optimize your day.

[Ben]

Yeah. Like how much time do you need?

[Jackie]

I need seriously five minutes to get yourself ready. Ready?

[Ben]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Jackie]

Oh, I don't need to. You would like to have five minutes before they get up, just like scroll

[Ben]

on my phone, make the coffee, brush my teeth and like get his stuff ready so that he's not like waking up crying like, where's my bottle?

[Jackie]

Like, oh yeah, yeah. No. I would like to like do my makeup.

[Ben]

I know that there are mothers who wake up and work out.

[Jackie]

Oh. That I've tried waking up with like doing early morning workouts even before I had kids. And I'm just too tired and it's not a good workout.

[Ben]

It's effective.

[Jackie]

It's a, it's a waste of time. But I saw Kris Jenner was talking about how she like her key to success is getting up at 4:30. She feels like, like she has more hours in the day than other people. And I do feel like I don't have enough hours in the day and if I want to like unlock some hours, I could wake up earlier.

[Ben]

Another thing going viral is Kris Jenner at the Vanity Fair talking to Jake Shane, being like, how'd you get this gig?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And like she didn't mean it. Condescending. I'm like, what are you doing here?

[Jackie]

Yeah. No, it was just like my daughter's friend.

[Ben]

Yeah. And she know, like, it's cool that she knew him. I thought it was good.

[Jackie]

Oh, I thought it was hysterical. But then I was starting to and people are like saying Jake Shane is miserable. Like, no, I love it. But he recovered quickly. But like he's, you know, he slipped bit a little. Little bit. Why Would Jake Shane want to do that? You know, I feel like he should be being interviewed. Jake Shane doesn't have to say yes to everything. I feel like he thinks, oh, Vanity Fair wanted me on the red carpet. How do I say no? Right? You could say no. Like, I feel like, net net. It wasn't like the most amazing thing for him if people are going to pick apart everything.

[Ben]

Well, of course. And also, like, people on his level were actually at the party. He was like, interviewing Alex. He should be on the other side.

[Jackie]

I agree.

[Ben]

Maybe this scared him.

[Jackie]

I feel like, yes, sometimes you need to, like, say yes to too many things to be like, you know what? I'm going to start saying no. Because I feel like he does everything. He gets every opportunity and he says yes. Because how you say no to such big things, but, like, you can say no and you should say no because not everything, like, needs to be your thing.

[Ben]

Did you see actually also, like, at the after party, Alex Earl left with in a car with Jake.

[Jackie]

That was our next story.

[Ben]

Okay, good, good.

[Jackie]

Well, what a perfect segue. Joe Burrow was spotted leaving an Oscars party with Alex Earl Stassi baby and Tate McCray.

[Ben]

And Jake Shane.

[Jackie]

And Jake Shane. But he's been left out of the headlines.

[Ben]

Well, also because he's not in the picture. Like, he's in the car, but it's like a kind of a tough angle. Also, he's probably like behind the driver's seat and I can't see him.

[Jackie]

And I think he's not germane to the story, which is like, Joe Burrow and like these three girls. Who's gonna be with him? Unless, you know, Joe Burrow has the hots for Jake Shane, then we're missing a key part of the story.

[Ben]

I don't, I don't feel like that's what's happening, but I appreciate your, you know, looking at it from multiple angles.

[Jackie]

Otherwise it's just about him and his trio of hotties. Alex Earl Stassi baby and Tate McRae. And for me, like, okay, Joe Burrow, like, what happened to the girl who's in. You got robbed.

[Ben]

But they were actually, like, they were together for a long time. They did recently break up.

[Jackie]

What I like more about this story is Alex Earl Stassy baby and Tate McCray being friends.

[Ben]

Yeah. So I think that, like, when you're at these fabulous parties, like, you go from one place to the other and like, you all just share a car because this is such a random crew. I don't think that, like any of these people. This means anything. Like, I don't know.

[Jackie]

I'm sorry. Who you share a car with isn't

[Ben]

who you're with for the night.

[Jackie]

Who you're vibing with. And you don't just, like, share a car with the hottest quarterback without one of you, like, having.

[Ben]

There's no, like, connection. Like, a friend who knows.

[Jackie]

I think these girls are, like, friendly enough to get in a car together, but, like, at least one of them is the reason why.

[Ben]

It's Joe Burrow. In the car. In the car, yeah.

[Jackie]

Now which one?

[Ben]

Alex.

[Jackie]

Alex Tate is with Jack Hughes and she breaks his heart. Like, seriously, I'm gonna just.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

He's so mad, and I just.

[Ben]

I. I don't know. I don't think it's Stoss. Like, and also his previous girlfriend looks like Alex Earl. Like, tall, thin.

[Jackie]

Who's the girlfriend? Livy Dunn.

[Ben]

No, Livia Pontoon. Ponton.

[Jackie]

Another Olivia. So just give me Grace Stassi. Baby can really handle herself. Meaning, like, it. She runs in a fabulous circle of people, and I feel like she'd be a great girlfriend to a very elite high profile. You know what I mean? Like, she knows how to handle herself.

[Ben]

Yeah, she's been running in fabulous circles. Circles for a very long time.

[Jackie]

Yeah, she's, like, privy to some of probably the biggest secrets of the biggest celebrities.

[Ben]

She was dating Jaden Hossler, the Tick Tocker for a while.

[Jackie]

Not for me. She saved a lot of Tick Tockers. She dates, like, weird people.

[Ben]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Anytime. She's always dating, like, some teeny bopper. Yeah, yeah, right?

[Ben]

Yeah. She's bad qualified. Agreed.

[Jackie]

Remember when she dated Tyler Cameron? Now, that was something. It was literally like a week. Week.

[Ben]

I don't remember that.

[Jackie]

It was like. I don't think they even dated. They just, like, hooked up.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

Like my favorite ship.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

Oh, wait, he has a lady love who's lovely. We don't.

[Ben]

No, we don't, Chip.

[Jackie]

We don't. So, yeah, I'm good with Alex or

[Ben]

Stassi, but, you know, Tom Brady was spotted. Alleged. Whatever. With another woman. And I like that she, like, gave him a big knife in the back with just another football player because you know that.

[Jackie]

Like, just one of many.

[Ben]

And you know at one point, like, when Tom Brady was actively in the NFL, this, like, hot young thing. Joe. Joe Burrow. You know, like, Tom Brady was worried about him. Like, you know, is he gonna be

[Jackie]

like, Yeah, I don't think it was Alex Earl. I think it's too cliche.

[Ben]

Okay.

[Jackie]

I think it's Ms. Baby.

[Ben]

Ms. Baby.

[Jackie]

But then where was Kylie? Like, with her best friend? Like, why wasn't she with her best friend?

[Ben]

Well, Kylie was with, like, her man who's, like, she's, like, married to.

[Jackie]

I know, but Stassi's like, her sister.

[Ben]

I don't think that. I think there are some of Kylie's boyfriends who, like, entertain her sister, like, friends, you know, like the whole Jordan woods living in her house, saying, I could. Timothy being like, we're grown and your friends have to live at their own houses. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Your friends have to go home.

[Ben]

Yeah. Like, your Stassi doesn't live with us in Stormy.

[Jackie]

But Tyga was just happy to be there too.

[Ben]

Obviously.

[Jackie]

She was like, I know.

[Ben]

And even Travis, I feel like he didn't want to, like, hang out a lot. So the fact that Kylie had, like, people to occupy her time, like, I think he was grateful for.

[Jackie]

I agree. Timothy wants all of Kylie.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

As he should.

[Ben]

Like a true partnership.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story? I feel obligated to talk about this, but if I'm being honest, I don't really care. The HR executive at the center of the culp.

[Ben]

I don't care. I do not care.

[Jackie]

I'm just gonna say this headline and then let's move on to a story I almost chose.

[Ben]

Okay, why don't. Okay, fine.

[Jackie]

The headline is just that the lady from the Coldplay kiss cam went on Oprah to talk about her very close relationship with the CEO, and she's trying to explain that they were, like, bonded and work, and it was more so a bonding experience than an affair.

[Ben]

The most interesting thing about the clip that I saw was I didn't realize Oprah filmed her podcast in front of a live studio audience audience, which is actually a very cool concept.

[C]

It is.

[Jackie]

So do we.

[Ben]

Should we? Yeah, right?

[Jackie]

There are three people in this room of our audience. Should we remember Fan Fridays?

[Ben]

You think Oprah was inspired by us for sure, right?

[Jackie]

Not by her years long show where she did it in front of an audience and probably doesn't know how to do it without an audience. That's, like, central to the way that she interviews.

[Ben]

I like that she does that. She's like, taking the format and flipping it's flipping it on its head.

[Jackie]

I love updates to the format.

[Ben]

Correct.

[Jackie]

Fan Friday's coming back.

[Ben]

So what's the other story?

[Jackie]

Lizzo's writing a children's book. Book.

[Ben]

Oh, another thing I don't care about.

[Jackie]

It's called Lil Lizzo. Meets Sasha B. Fluten.

[Ben]

Okay, that's funny.

[Jackie]

Yeah. She said, I want to teach every young person out there that your passion can give you purpose, belonging, and lead you on a journey to fulfill your wildest dreams.

[Ben]

Okay, that's actually a good message. Like. Like, bring back playing the flute. You know, I love, like, OG hobbies, and that's isn't like Roblox, you know? So if Lizzo's inspiring a young generation to pick up. Pick up a classical instrument.

[Jackie]

Yeah. She said, when I was young, I struggled to fit in, but playing the flute helped me find my voice.

[Ben]

That's actually cute.

[Jackie]

I want this book to teach every young person out there that your passion can give you purpose, belonging, and lead you on a journey to fulfill your wildest dreams. There's a sample page in this article, and first of all, it rhymes.

[Ben]

Okay, well, I'm sold.

[Jackie]

And here's how it goes. Just on one page. Lil Lizzo and Sasha were fluting so loud, before they knew it, they'd attracted a crowd. The whole school was there, and they started to jam. The fingers went snap, and the drummers went ham.

[Ben]

The drummers went bam.

[Jackie]

And do you mean ham, as in hard as a motherfucker?

[Ben]

No, like, I guess that is what you mean. But.

[Jackie]

But like. But drums go bam when someone goes ham. Like, that only means hard as a motherfucker.

[Ben]

Yes, it is an acronym that turned

[Jackie]

into a word that's not like a real word. Okay. Drummers going ham.

[Ben]

I don't like, love that, especially because drummers sound is bam. So you could have just done bam. Yeah, but, you know, I love the rhyme.

[Jackie]

I'm never gonna climb. I'm not gonna make perfect the enemy of the good. I like a rhyming book, so that's good.

[Ben]

I love that.

[Jackie]

Speaking of children's content, do you know what I started yesterday? I finally got. We did turn on the TV as fitness turned into a number of days. David.

[Ben]

Oh, you know, it's so funny. Ben was, like, hawking me about watching that the other day. Jackie put on the soundtrack. That music sounded very good.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Follow the light. My kids saw David with Olivia and her kids and my husband in theaters. But Max and I didn't go. And they loved it so much. Zach said it was amazing. He said it was like if greatest showman in the Bible had a baby. So when we were.

[Ben]

I feel like it's this generation's version of the Prince of Egypt.

[Jackie]

Oh, for sure. So we put it on yesterday. It's so powerful.

[Ben]

I know I need to See it.

[Jackie]

It's amazing. If you guys are looking for, like, good kids content, it's about King David.

[Ben]

You will when you believe.

[Jackie]

There's a song called Shalom. It's like, shalom, Shalom. Peace be with you wherever you go. Beautiful. It's really beautiful.

[Ben]

It's kind of crazy in hindsight to think of, like, the Prince of Egypt was like, such a big deal when that movie came out that, like, Whitney

[Jackie]

and Mariah did a collab song for it.

[Ben]

That movie's so good.

[Jackie]

Well, I was listening to Follow the Light. It came out of my integrated Spotify this morning. And then the next Phil Wickham is on the song. I don't know who that is. But then the next song was that everybody always thinks. I think it's part of Shannon's comedy special.

[Ben]

Our God is a Isn't awesome God, he reigns.

[Jackie]

And that's Phil Wickham.

[Ben]

That's funny.

[Jackie]

So I guess he's like a big in the music community in the Christian pop scene. But no, Follow the Light. And it doesn't matter because this year was the year of K pop demon hunters. But, like, if we lived in a proper world, like, David should have been nominated for an Oscar and Follow Light should have been nominated for a song, but golden still should have won.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

So it doesn't really matter.

[Ben]

Oh, my God. I can't believe I kind of slayed this episode with a migraine. Don't you feel. Do you feel like you had to talk more like, you know, I did

[Jackie]

feel at times like I was being allowed to finish my sentence and I didn't know how.

[Ben]

She just didn't have the energy to interrupt you today.

[Jackie]

And I was like, hmm.

[Ben]

And so we got the glasses.

[Jackie]

Oh, shall we wrap this up?

[Ben]

Like, made me. It's kind of a burden to be the one who talks, right?

[Jackie]

Sort of. No, no. I'm just so used to not never finishing my sentence that I don't know how to conclude them. And I find conclusions to sentences to be sort of redundant.

[Ben]

So what you're saying is that you

[Jackie]

need me to keep interrupting. Sometimes I need you to just give me, like, three more seconds, but then come on in. Jump in, the water's warm.

[Ben]

That's our show, you guys. And Jackie's gonna wrap up because I'm not feeling much.

[Jackie]

That is our show. I'm gonna wrap up in the only earnest way I know how. Thank you so much for listening to the toast. We love you dearly, and we will see you tomorrow.

[C]

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