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Good morning, millennials.
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Welcome back to the toast and happy Tuesday. That has, you know, a different kind of energy because it's the first day of the week, but it's not a Monday and it's 11 degrees and it's just. It's unique.
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It feels like a Monday, but it's a Tuesday, which is bless up. So fabulous.
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Send your prayers to the sky.
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Hopefully this means the week will go by quickly. Not to rush things along.
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B
Well, progressive your life along that I find unoffensive.
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A
Yeah, but you don't want to rush through things. Even though something really exciting is happening next week. But you don't want to rush through things.
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Attorneys moving. I meant to acknowledge. Thank you for opening up the space for me. This is my final full week in this studio which has housed us for so many years. And I'm not even remotely sad, but I feel we must acknowledge this monumental moment.
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Yes, it is our longest running studio that we've had.
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It is.
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We moved in in 2020. We took refuge on the boots of an addiction in the midst of coronavirus.
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B
Who remembers Chartie and Jax's eviction era? That was probably one of my most fun times.
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No, that. That wasn't a fun time. Before that when we were in that apartment, like things were busing. And then not only were we evicted, we had to go to Zoom Toast like dark times. So this studio was our saving grace. And we had so many amazing memories in that studio. So many wonderful shows both together and remote, and it deserves to be honored in a respectful way.
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It's true. We sought refuge here and it was a home to us, but nobody else would have us. And while I am really excited because my new studio is so much closer to my house and I don't know if I mentioned that it's 11 degrees today, I. I want to put. You're right. Some honor and some respect on these four walls. You know, these four walls came down around us. Do you remember that Miley Cyrus song?
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Yes, of course.
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Must have been something sent me out of my head. Oh, speaking of songs, I meant to text you this morning because we haven't. This toast theme song competition is completely over.
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Yes, that was on my notes of things to discuss because we have not you and I officially selected the winner. So if you haven't been reached out to. No one has yet. I really. I have still top two top twos in my head.
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B
Okay. I chose my winner.
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A
Like they've been stuck in my head.
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B
We will vote, but I'm sending you a picture of the Girl, like, who's my.
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A
Okay, I know who it is. It's between. It's the same as my top two, I think. It's not like a third, right?
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No, no, no, no. Like, we. I had three that I was like, mulling over that were like, I would have been happy with any of them. You saw who I texted you.
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I see it. Yeah.
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Like, it's her. It's always been her. I'm sorry. It's her. Yeah. So we will reach out to her privately, you know, get the paperwork sorted out and then we will announce and then we have to start the process of recording it. I've already booked studio time with the fabulous producer who produced the Grammy award winning song, 100% by Claudia Ashrae. So we're in really good hands and people seem really excited. I know you haven't seen the fanfare because it's all on TikTok and we are going to talk about TikTok, but, like, people are so invested in the winner. Because I did a TikTok last night, I was like, it's over. Like, I think I know who I want to win, but, like, who do you guys want to win? And a lot of the same names were circulating, which, like, my top three seem to be the Internet's top three, which made me feel good.
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A
Yeah. But also we have given away that it is a singular person and that it's not a man. So in just our conversation, we've given that away.
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B
Oh, my God. Fucking pronouns. You're right.
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A
Yeah. So I really wanted to tells you a little something.
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B
No.
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People are so invested. My friend Sam stayed with me this weekend. We had such a fun weekend. And her sister called because her sister is a huge toaster and she was with her camp friends and they're all toasters and they were calling to try and find out, like, what I was leaning towards. They're like, have you heard this one? And they're all singing it.
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Jackie. The people coming out of the woodwork, first of all, like, random people text me. Being like, I'm dying from this competition and to, like, people I know, like, Shannon is so invested. Being like, I'm getting DMS from, like, local Nashville songwriters, wanting to make sure that you guys see guys, I've seen every submission. Don't worry about me. My screen time this weekend for like a million reasons was so high. Like, I saw every single submission. Don't you worry.
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A
My screen time this weekend was so high. So many things were happening and I have to think, like, this was the biggest weekend in news, like, ever. I have never turned on like, cable news. Really? I rarely ever do this weekend. Like, it was constantly playing in the back of my house for one reason or another. Like the hostages coming home yesterday, the inauguration, waiting all day for Rascal Flats.
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B
TikTok, Tik tok.
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A
Like, I had the new. Like the. The news channels must be really happy. People turned on their little shows.
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B
Yeah, Media is a buzz and that's what we do. Here we are, women in media so.
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Much, breaking it all down.
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B
Are we making TikTok a story or should we talk about it now?
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No, we are not making TikTok a story.
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B
Okay, Like, I like how you say that like, as if it was stupid. Like, why?
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A
No, because. Because like the stories are like the fun fodder, not like world news. And two, we always keep putting into the pre fast five.
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B
Okay, okay, well, let me tell you my experience this weekend then. Because I'm. And I wonder if other people are feeling this way. Like, and I'm a big advocate. Like, I love TikTok. It's my favorite place on the planet. It's literally my personality. Like, this affected me. I was directly in the line of fire. And I'm like really getting to the point where these people are making me kind of like hate TikTok and like, not care anymore. It's giving fatigue. It's giving will they, won't they? Because on Saturday night, like, there was a lot of hoopla. They had said they were going to shut down opera operations as opposed to just like taking it out of the app store and they did. So it was kind of like this crazy historic thing. I was with a bunch of girls on Saturday night and like I opened tick tock and it was 10:30, it wasn't even midnight. And they closed down early.
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A
You were making a herstory.
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B
It was really crazy. So it was like, it was. It was just this, like, exciting. Not in a positive or negative way, but just like an exciting thing to be a part of. And it was really crazy to see, like, how the media landscape was shifting, how people were talking about it, where people were going. And it coming back less than 24 hours later was seriously like one of the lamest things anybody could have done. Like, it was so pick me. So like, attention seeking. I was just. When it came back, I wasn't even like relieved and I missed it. Like, I was Jimmy times I opened TikTok in that 14 hour span. Like when it came back, I was like, wait, no, like, go back. It was just not. It wasn't giving. It wasn't gone long enough. And first of all, I saw such, like, really crazy content from people, like, crying, sobbing, screaming, crying, throwing up. Like, it really kind of put into perspective for me. Like, we actually, as a society could have used a break, and I think we actually could have used more than 14 hours, but give it 24, perhaps, like, just so people could perhaps reset and touch grass. So. Oh, and now that it's back, like, people are, like, it's different. TikTok's not the same. Like, and I feel like we hyped it up so much because I actually know what people are talking about. Like, it's not hitting in the way that it did before because it was going away. So we were all excited. Now it's just this, like, thing.
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Like, you all smell.
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Yeah. Like, I. People are. And, like, Bethany Frankel is, like, starting a conspiracy that it's about the drones. She's like, I'm not seeing any more content about the drones. Like, a lot of people are thinking, like, Chinese Communist Party. Like, I don't think it's that. I just think it's, like, psychological. Like, we hyped this thing up so hard and then it came back and it's just an app, like, with dumb videos. Like, I. It's just. It's been really crazy, like, and I actually. I'm kind of over, like, the whole conversation even care anymore and not me telling everyone because, you know, I'm kind of like a social media expert, you know? Know, like, so when I was with a bunch of my friends on Saturday, they like, do you think, like, it's going to come back? Like, what do you think? And I was so adamant. I'm like, there's no way Trump is going to bring it back. Like, this was his thing. He hates TikTok, he hates China. Like, this is like, this is like the Trump thing. And I'm like, guys, it's definitely not like, being so, like, speaking with such conviction. Cut to, like, literally three hours later, it's back up. Like, I'm embarrassed.
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He said recently that he didn't want it to go away. He said more recently, like, yes, four years ago he said, like, national security issues. Then more recently, he was like, we want to make. Find a way to make it work.
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Yeah, no, I was just, like, speaking with, like, the utmost conviction. And I think people, like, you know, like, the respect what I say when it not comes to everything, obviously. But, like, TikTok. Yeah, what she was probably. And I was like, guys, it's not Coming back. Like, say your goodbyes.
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A
Travis has never met Taylor.
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B
Correct. It's giving. Travis has never met Taylor.
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A
Well, I thought it was coming back imminently. I did not expect it to only be 14 hours. So on that, I wasn't right either.
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B
The whole thing was just, like, really lame for everyone.
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Really lame and exhausting. And seeing the same content, like, from every individual over and over again, like, of them.
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B
The screenshot of Tick Tock Me.
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A
The screenshot of TikTok. Oh, my God. Adjusting to reels. Hey, how y'all doing? When it comes back, like, I am moved on, fatigued for sure.
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B
And, like, as for the future of TikTok, like, genuinely, I don't care anymore. Like, they've officially made me not care, which I guess is good.
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A
Yeah.
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And I think let this be a lesson to people who make a living on TikTok, whether that's, like, through TikTok Shop or your content creator. Diversify your platforms. We have 90 days now. That's three months. Like, really get to work. Because this is a platform that is, like, kind of finicky. Like, it's here, it's there. It's not there. It's China. It's America. Like, you've been given a warning. So now you have three months to hustle.
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A
We could do YouTube. We could bring it on reels. Come on over to reels. The water's warm. The more time you spend on reels, the better it gets for you. I think that's what people are noticing.
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B
And this was my biggest disappointment because I feel like it was such a wasted opportunity for Instagram because we have known for, like, a real month now that, like, TikTok has this date, and the fact that Instagram didn't do what they usually do and just copy TikTok's algorithm, their format, everything, we would have moved over. Like, if it was even remotely similar, it wouldn't have been such a big deal for TikTok to go. But, like, when Instagram came out with Instagram stories, like, we were all like, oh, this sucks. And then we all just eventually transitioned over and stopped using Snapchat stories. They do this thing where they copy everyone and we all make fun of them, and then we end up becoming, you know, primary storytellers on Instagram. So I didn't understand why, like. Cause we were left with nothing. Reels. I'm sorry. And I know you, like, love it. It is not a sufficient alternative to TikTok. Not only is the algorithm, like, not as smart, I don't really feel like, it targets what I need to see. The interface is not as user friendly. Like, it just. Why didn't they spend the last month, like doing their, you know, usual Control C, Control V? Like, copy that shit.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That was like a wasted opportunity from the man who's, like, known for copying other competitive platforms.
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A
Mm.
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B
Why do you think that is?
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A
Well, I just have some thoughts. Maybe a couple of things. First, I do think the more that you use reels, the more the content is tailored to you. Like right now, I like the things that I see, but I also, I'm not on TikTok, so it's not like I have the two to compare it to. I don't know what an even better algorithm for me is. But I also like that the algorithm on reels isn't as addicting as you say TikTok is because I will inevitably spend less time on it. And so I think that's good. Why Mark Zuckerberg doesn't want me to spend more time on reels and doesn't want me to be as addicted. I don't know. But overall, I'm happy with the product because of those reasons.
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B
Because of those reasons. I think that I wouldn't have been surprised. I think what the cool thing about TikTok is is that like, you're seeing content from people you really don't know. And when you scroll your Instagram feed, it's people you follow. Yeah. They sprinkle in, like things you might like. And it's never something I would even be remotely interested in. I wish that they had. Well, the opportunity is lost. But if they had created like a second feed where you could swipe and see, like, you know, people you don't follow things you might be interested just like a feed of not your following, but just.
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A
Well, when you go to your Explore page and you. And you click video here, I get so much like Sabrina.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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A
When you scroll down and then you start scrolling. I don't know who any of these people, I guess.
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B
Yeah, like, that's their. I'm getting all types of stuff of the fyp. It's just, it doesn't hit the same.
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A
That's where you go for outside content.
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B
Okay. Like, I don't know why I like, only get slime. I don't, I don't partake in slime culture. There's so much slime and I don't know, it's just TikTok knows me better than I know cloud self.
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A
Yeah.
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And that's what I'll miss.
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A
Well, it's back.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Nothing to miss.
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B
There's nothing to miss. It's back. We also, I meant to tell you, have your toasters today, and they are so crazy.
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A
Okay, good. We also have a lot of stories today. And I watched the Molly Mae documentary this weekend. First three episodes dropped. We're getting clarity.
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B
Oh, it's first three. I thought it was three total. I'm like, that's a lot of hoopla for, you know.
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A
First three episodes dropped, next three drop in the spring. But they showed the previews for the next three. And there's footage from January 1st where she sees everyone seeing her kissing Tommy on New Year's Eve. Like, the turnaround. They got me there. Good.
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I mean, they are from Love Island. Like, we are used to tight turnaround from these two.
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A
And, like, technically, you filmed this two weeks ago. Like, put it on my screen. It shouldn't be so hard. Yet it is for other people. Like, so here's what's going on between the two of them. And a lot of it was shrouded in mystery in the early episodes. And I wish they would have been a little more clear. They're like, what Tommy did. What Tommy does. I'm like, what does Tommy do? What did he do?
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B
Yeah. No, I hate when there's, like, this big thing. It's like, just say it.
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A
So here's what I've pieced together. He obviously has turned to alcohol since being injured from fighting and then drinking was ruining their relationship. I don't know exactly what he was doing at family functions, why she had to beg him not to drink at her sister's wedding, what he would have done.
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B
What is he doing? Embarrassing. Like what?
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A
Like drunk or angry drunk?
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B
Saying embarrassing things like how drunk people do.
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A
Yes. But I just don't know which exact one it was. But, like, he was drinking all the time, Making, like, half the time their relationship was just so terrible because he'd be drinking the other half. Like, she really loves him. Like, really does. She couldn't keep doing the cycle anymore. And she knew she had it to break up with him, but if she didn't announce it, she would have never followed through with it. So when she posted that over the summer, it was like a slow roll. Last resort. Not just like, Tommy came home drunk, I'm breaking up with him. She posted it and really did it, like, to hold herself accountable in, like, leaving him. You need to get help. However, throughout the documentary, she shares, like, the reason why I haven't been crying. And I'm not, like, totally a Mess over. This is because like I believe we're gonna get back together so that like comes out later in the episodes and you start to see how like they're working towards being back together. He's not in it once except for on the phone and just like talking about Bambi. I think in the second half it will be more about them making their relationship whole again. And then the first three episodes are really about her clothing brand maybe and all the work that she's put into it and like the launch event and a lot of like scandal that it had. I didn't even realize that she had a pretty big like oopsie with the brand because they launched these blazers that were like the hallmark of the collection. Did you see the blazers on TikTok?
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B
The pilling, the bubbling?
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A
Yeah. She said like the manufacturer, what they actually used to make the blazers was not the agreed upon fabric that she had been wearing every single day. Like she was wearing her own blazer and it was just really a bad mess. And then they had more stuff coming out in that fabric and I think she had to cancel it. I think maybe has kind of been like a complete cluster and I'm shocked to hear that. I thought it was such a slight. Everything I've gotten from there I love. And I also now find that because a lot of it is sold out, I go on like revol and look for pieces that are even this card today is maybe inspired. But it's lioness.
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B
I started on Friday night the Molly Mae documentary. And it occurred to me like as I started watching it, like I'm actually not a Molly Mae fan. Like I didn't watch Love Island. I don't watch her YouTube videos. I like her and her man as a couple and I feel like I like them like through osmosis from you. And I was like forcing Ben to watch it and like, like when I forced Ben to watch something, like I need to feel really passionate about it. And especially in the beginning, like they weren't talking about the Tommy stuff and I was just like I feel like I girl boss too close to the sun. Like this actually isn't for me.
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A
Yeah. It's. It's very slow pace. She is a comfort creator. It's not like comedy, exciting craziness, like.
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B
Hard hitting documentary in her life in her house.
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A
And like if you. She's. What's so remarkable about her actually is that she's just a. She's a very ordinary girl.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like who has created something that no other reality TV store star or Influencer has done. And, like, why her? It's so crazy. But, like, we are. I am drawn to her. I do. I don't need her to have, like, the biggest personality. Like, she has really lovely taste, but not so outrageous. Like, I don't know. There's just something about her that's.
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B
She kind of sounds like an equivalent. Not now, because she's, like, evolved so much past YouTube, but, like, an Emma Chamberlain. Like, why did Emma Chamberlain, out of all the YouTube swirlies, get this chokehold on America? She. Her original content. She was just, like, a regular girl who would, like, get manicures and, like, wear her hair in a high pony. Like, she was not. She had, like, a certain aesthetic that was, like, very, like, Gen Z. But it wasn't. No. Now she's like, a high fashion.
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A
No. But she has a big personality, too. And then she was also, like, dressing in a very distinct way.
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B
Yeah. I wouldn't say her personality in her YouTube videos that, like, shot her to fame, like, was so outrageous. Like, it was just like, she was literally just a girl. Like, she was when she was, like, living at home. Like, when she really, like, before she blew up, it was just like, girly, sporty content.
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A
Yeah. And I think for Molly, also, it's, like, about Molly and Tommy, but even without Tommy, like, it's really about her. So what she's done is just so impressive. And she's also very much like, a perfectionist. Like, very in the weeds on everything. Like, a post doesn't go out on any social media account related to her without her looking at it. Her. She was showing her camera roll. Like, she just went to take an aesthetic picture of her bath. Like, hundreds of photos of it.
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B
Like, like, seriously, so unenjoyable.
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A
Yeah. And she's like, it gets to a place of, like, it's absurd. And when we get to that place, like, then I just forget about it.
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B
Well, I have to tell you that when I stopped watching Molly May, I did watch the movie Conclave, and I've been meaning to talk to you about it, but you, like, ignored me all weekend because. Yeah. You had a friend over. Congratulations. School for you. So happy for you that you have a new best friend.
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A
My best friend was here.
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B
I absolutely have to tell you about this movie.
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A
Okay.
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B
Because me and Ben started to watch it, like, a week ago, and it was just clear that it was, like, not a movie we wanted to watch. And then I was like, let's give it a second chance. Josh had told be it was, like, one of his favorite Movies of the year. So we were like, you know what? Let's try it again. And I'm so glad we did because I actually enjoyed it. But, like, it was the craziest movie I'd ever seen, and I am going to spoil it. So if you have any plans on watching Conclave, just, like, who's in it? Jackie, you're never going to watch this movie. It's Ralph Fiennes, and it's about the selection of a new pope. It's like a hypothetical scenario.
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A
Okay, I don't want to watch that.
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B
Yeah, so the. I guess I didn't know. Like, the ceremony after a pope dies is called Conclave. All the archbishops and cardinals, excuse me, from all the world, like, the global ones, to come together and vote on which cardinal they want to make the next one. So it's very political. You know, people have allegiances. It's regional, too. Like, the Europeans want somebody who speaks Italian. The Africans would love someone black. Like, it's very. You know, it's a lot of personalities, a lot of cultures mixed. And Ralph Fiennes plays like the. The de. The deacon, the dean or something. Like, he's in charge of the procession. And so basically the whole time they're trying to pick a new. I didn't, like, understand what the movie was about because at first I'm like, oh, they're trying to pick a new pope, and Ralph Fiennes's team wants to put Stanley Tucci. And I'm like, sorry, Stanley Tucci is actually too famous to act now. In no world did I think Stanley Chuchu was a cardinal. And, like, when he was going to be the pope, I was like, sorry, it's just. I'm not seeing it. Like, I'm. I'm just not seeing it.
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A
He has a cookware line.
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B
Yeah. I want to see Stanley Tucci actually ruin the movie with his, like, with his own aura, you know?
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A
Yeah, yeah. So.
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B
And then they were explaining how it's very political. Like, Stanley Tucci and Ralph were like, a little bit more like of a liberal, very modern, progressive popes, whereas a lot of the others were like, very old school and whatever. So they were just like, we have to.
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A
Is this a true story?
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B
No, no. So then, like, these cardinals who were getting a lot of votes, they hadn't reached them. You needed like, 71 votes. They vote every day. They do a vote until somebody gets it. Then this guy was making a lot of progress. Turns out, you know, he fucks some nun and has a daughter. So it was like all these different scandals. So, like, where is this movie going then? They're doing one of the votes in this, like, special. They're under sequestering. Like, they're in this, like, secret Vatican room for weeks. One of the windows shatters. Turns out there's a suicide bomber outside. I'm like, whoa, this movie's taking a weird turn. So then all the popes start fighting because they're all on, like, different sides of the political spectrum, and they're talking about, like, other religions. And I'm like, damn, this is getting, like, kind of twisted. And then this one guy stands up and he's like, gives this whole speech about, like, peace for everyone. It was just, like, very, like, you know, middle ground hippie. And the speech was so powerful. The next time they voted, peacemaker is the Pope. So we're like, oh, okay. I guess that's. At first I was like, you know, I kind of like that resolution. It's like somewhere in the middle and this rando who people didn't even know, like, he didn't speak any of the languages. This rando became Pope. And it's like, okay, all right. But there's, like, something sinister going on while they're getting ready to announce the new Pope. I'm like, what is going on? Where is this movie taking us? Ralph fiends. Who's in charge? His guy. He's got, like, a spy who's, like, been talking to the outside world for him. Comes with some information on the person they have just elected Pope.
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A
The peacemaker.
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B
The Pope had this trip to Switzerland, but he never took the trip. Why was he going to Switzerland? He had to go get this medical procedure. The new pope is a hermaphrodite. The new pope has ovaries and a uterus. And I was like, me and Ben were like.
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A
And a penis.
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B
Yes. So he was explaining his whole life he's been a man. No. Like, he had a surgery for his esophagus. One time, they found his uterus and his ovaries. And he's been struggling with it in his faith. And he went to get the surgery, but he said, God made me this way. I'm not getting the surgery. That's why he didn't go to Switzerland. And, like, Ralph fiends is like, oh, my God. We tried to avoid the guy with a daughter. We tried to avoid the guy who was paying people off. We ended up with a woman. And then that's how. That's how the movie ends. Like, it was. Seriously, I didn't know where the movie was going the whole time, and the fact that it ended up, like, so left field. Me and Ben were like, what the hell did we just watch? It was actually so random because they think about the whole suicide bomber plot. I'm like, what was the point of that? Like, it was seriously the craziest movie I'd ever seen. I. I couldn't really come to terms with what I was supposed to learn.
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A
So did you like it?
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B
Like, yes. Because, first of all, the movie itself was just, like, it moved at a good pace. It was interesting. Like, I didn't know about this whole, you know, what a conclave was. I guess, like, some people know that word. I didn't. And the movie actually didn't explain, like, that that's what that was. But I put it together. But the ending, like, seriously threw me. So it was just, like. It was so kind of crazy, you know, and so random that I was like, okay. Like, okay, the popes are hermaphrodite. Like, I imagine if I was, like, a Catholic, I might have, like, stronger opinions about it, but I was just like, oh, okay. Like, we're just up in this movie.
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A
But I also, like, want to go back to the definition of a hermaphrodite, if I may.
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B
Sure, sure, sure. And by the way, actually, the movie never said hermaphrodite. It's my understanding that if you are, like, medically, like, a certain gender, but you have other parts, that is a hermaphrodite.
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A
Yes.
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B
I. I just put the label hermaphrodite. I don't know about the other. I'm like, 90. Sure.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It's a medical condition.
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A
Did you have a penis?
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B
Yes.
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A
And an ovaries?
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B
Yeah. Because, like, your ovaries are in, like, your stomach. Like, he didn't know. Yeah. It wasn't until he said he was, like, 35 that he had to get this surgery. The doctors were like, sir, you have a uterus.
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A
Got it.
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B
Okay. Hermaphrodite is an organism that has both male and female reproductive organs. 100%. Okay. So I was right. It's hermaphrodite.
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A
Wow.
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B
It was really, like. So, like, when I saw this movie about the Pope, like, I didn't think we were going to be going into the gender conversation.
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A
Like, it was just her date education.
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B
Yeah. And actually, I've been thinking a lot about hermaphroditism because I feel like.
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A
I feel like hermaphroditism isn't a lot a big part of the gender conversation. It's like, no, it's completely separate.
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B
No, no. I've been thinking about it because, like, when we were getting screened for all those genetic test. I think everybody does this, but a specific sect of Judaism, we are very on top of it because of Tay Sachs, which is like a genetic disease if you're Ashkenaz from Eastern European, and a lot of people with our backgrounds can carry it, and if both you and your husband are carriers, it's very dangerous. So we get screened for genetic testing. We just did it. And a lot of the genetic testings are about gender and reproductive genitalia. And actually, I came back positive for one that was like, if you have a boy, the boys can have a big penis, and if you have a girl, the girl is going to, like, have a big penis, too. Now, it didn't end up being an issue for Ben and I, but, like, some of these genetic diseases that, like, they discover new ones, like, every day, there's like a thousand that you could test for, and they're really, really rare. But it's just been top of mind for me. So.
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A
Yeah, no, it's. So it's basically like, you have a baby, you're not sure what gender it is, but, like, you're like, you make a call.
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B
Are you talking about her Aphrodite?
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A
Yeah.
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B
No, because it's clear what the gender is. Like, this guy was born a boy. He had a dick. Like, they couldn't see the baby's ovaries. And I guess, like, never in his life did he do a scan or anything where they saw he had a uterus. Like, it was just, you can function. You're a man. Like, you've, like, you've got balls and a. Okay, yeah, it was weird.
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A
But the thing is, like, not hermaphrodites. Hermaphrodites are lovely. Interesting movie.
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B
Like, plot, plot twist.
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A
Interesting movie.
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B
We're talking about it. Like, I'm telling you, it was so crazy. I was actually shook that that is what the. And I'm glad I saw it because I think it's going to be one of those Oscar contenders. And I'm really trying to. I'm trying to make my way across all the films, and I'm really doing a good job. So I don't think it should win anything. And I certainly like not to be a hater. I don't think Stanley Tucci should win. I actually think Stanley Tucci needs to stop acting and just commit fully to being, like, a chef influencer, socialite celebrity, because it's overshadowing his Acting career.
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A
Yeah, I agree. His personality is just so big. Like, it's not a. It's not a knock on Stanley self.
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B
No, I'm not saying. And he said he's a bad actor. It's that he's so Stanley.
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A
Yeah. You can't take the stan out of Stanley. Was he wearing his glasses?
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B
Yes. Like, it was just. At least, why is Stanley Tucci at the Vatican?
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A
At least take his glasses off.
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B
That's so Stanley. Like, and that hasn't been a problem for him up until recently. Like, I didn't blink at him in Devil wears Prada. I certainly didn't blink at him in the lovely bones. Like, yeah, he. He is now reaching a pinnacle where he has to choose.
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A
I feel like he would choose acting.
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B
I feel like he would too. I think there's more money in acting.
- [25:50]
A
No. And that's, like, who he is at his core. You can't take him out.
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B
He's, like, trained for it his whole life.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. The rest is just confetti.
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B
Yeah. Okay, well.
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A
Well, thanks for that recap.
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B
You are so welcome.
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A
And now, without further ado, to do it for the fast five stories that you need to know and the fast.
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A
Thank you, Turta Travel.
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B
You're welcome.
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A
Our first story, some musical news from yesterday. Two headlines to share. First, Carrie Underwood sang America the Beautiful Acapella after a tech snafu at the inauguration.
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B
So seriously, such a terrible thing to happen to a performer. Like, the whole world is watching. Especially Carrie Underwood. Like, you know, you take a risk when you're performing at an inauguration. You're going to divide. We're already so divided. So it's already like this big risk. And I know she, like, came ready to slay and like, whoever was in charge of the ox cord, like, seriously, the government is so embarrassing. Like, this would never happen at, like, the Grammys. Like, it's just. It's not even hard. And the music started and then stopped.
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A
And then it cut it.
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B
It was seriously just like butt clenchingly awkward. I felt so bad for her. And I was thinking, I'm like, this is like a Katie Heron, you know, moment. What a bright time. It's the right time. And I'm like, if this goes on a little bit longer, she'll. She should just like, you know, start singing acapella. And that's exactly what she did. She rallied the room, honestly. Thank God that they moved it indoors because if she was outside, there was like supposed to be like a hundred thousand people or whatever. I don't know how many go to inauguration and there was no music. She would have had to stand there. She couldn't then start singing acapella. Like, she would have had to stand there and truly wait.
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A
Well, actually, I think that would have been okay and I think she would have done acapella because I think I saw some people saying, like, the room was singing with her, which was really nice, but they were like all off key. And it was even harder for her to stay on key. And given all of the trials and tribulations, like, it was getting a little scary there for a second. She sang amazingly. And we actually just watched her on New Year's Rock and Eve and I feel like we were saying, like, it didn't sound the greatest.
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B
We were just saying, like, her vocals were like a little bit strained.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And the thing about Carrie Underwood is, like, we have faith in her as a performer because she comes from one of those shows. Like, right when you come from a talent show, like an expert, Kelly Clarkson, like, you have actual talent. There are so many singers who like, come up out of nowhere and who they actually can sing. It's really crazy. You can't win a competition like that.
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A
Voice raw. Many a time, however, I feel like people's voices change over the years. People lose their voices. No, you never know.
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B
She was. She was struggling at Rock and Eve. Like, she gave a great performance, she looked great, her music was great, she sounded fine. But like, we know her to be better than that.
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A
She didn't sound like, amazing. And here she sounded amazing, like perfectly sung. She didn't do anything extra with the song. She hit every note. It was like, seriously beautiful. And I actually think overall it turned out to be a really nice moment and probably a little more impressive than if she had had her track and she just sang it. So I think it actually turned out better than what it Would have been.
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B
But now she's being commended for, like, slaying it, but also, like, making the best out of a shitty situation.
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A
It was make it work moment.
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B
I know she was like, at first before, because, like, the accolades have really been overwhelmingly positive. I know that, like, when she got behind that curtain and it was over, like, she was so pissed.
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A
Like, she definitely was. And then she definitely, like, heard that everyone was like, no, that was amazing. Like, Katie Heron. Honestly, that was Katie Heron. Just, like she said, that was the.
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B
Best it ever went. Like, yeah.
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A
It got the people singing together. It was really, like, a beautiful, harmonious moment. Everybody was singing the song together. Everybody knows America the Beautiful.
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B
Yes.
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A
It was kind of like, we should do it like that on purpose next time.
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B
Now for her to have it happen to that song. I could just tell you, like, from a singer's perspective, it's actually a kind of easy song to sing. Like, you can make it big, but it doesn't have any, like, crazy high notes or anything. If you had to do that with the anthem and then everybody else is trying to, like, join in with you. The anthem is one of the hardest songs to sing. Like, so I'm glad that it happened with that particular song. But beyond unfortunate and, like, I would like an investigation done. Like, who's who fault is this? Like, I feel like we just moved on from it and then the music worked for the rest of the day. But, like, who? Who, Who? I want names.
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A
Well, the music didn't work.
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B
I'm sorry. Yes, thank you for bringing that up.
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A
We have to be the story's other headline news from inauguration performances. As we reported, Billy Ray Cyrus was performing at the Liberty Ball. All these balls. Oh, my gosh. Like, you really should participate.
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B
And the activities where balls fly at our nose.
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A
The fact that Rascal and Gavin weren't attending the same ball and, like, so confusing. It was just. It was a lot as, like, a number one fan of both of them. I didn't even get to see Gavin perform anyways. Billy Ray Cyrus performed at the Liberty Ball. Or did he? It was an absolute.
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B
You guys. Disastrous. And to be honest, I am like, now. I never thought much about Billy Ray Cyrus. I definitely like a soft spot in my heart for him as Hannah's dad on the show and then Miley's dad in real life and Iggy Breaky heart like he Old Town Road. Like, he's never given me reasons to dislike him. No.
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A
Except for Miley, the Devil don't need it to you and.
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B
Oh, yeah, right. Oh, My God, I forgot about that. That devil dumb slut Molly. Oh, man, he's so crazy.
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A
Beefing so, like, he's been a little bit on my shit list. But I do hold.
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B
I.
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A
Like, I do have this bit of nostalgia where I'm like, oh, maybe it's just, you know, it's.
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B
I think a lot of people have that nostalgia, like, for our age. Like, he really raised us. He was like, the television. He was a Disney Channel dad. And then for people older than us, like, Achy Breaky Heart, like, yeah, he really does have, like, ties to culture for a lot of different. Different people.
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A
Having said that, last night ruined.
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B
Our ties were severed. The ties were severed.
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A
Childhood ruined.
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B
You guys, it's. It is actually worth watching the whole thing. First of all, because he only sang. I don't know how many songs he was slated to sing, but it was very clear from the moment his performance started that he hopefully was high on drugs. Because if that's, like, who he actually is, like, that's best case. Best case, he's high on drugs. Worst case, like, that's who you are.
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A
So here's what happened, and I don't.
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B
Even know what happened.
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A
Okay, so he came out. I think they started playing the music video for Old Town Road on the screen.
- [36:11]
B
Now.
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A
I was watching a really terrible live stream that didn't cut. It was just, like, the back of the room. So it wasn't until it looked like he was singing it at the end of the song. Claudia's like, what is Billy Ray Cyrus doing? I'm like, he's not up there yet. Like, we're just watching the music video. Turns out he's up there. There's no lights on him. He's groaning, I thought. And I was, like, watching it while also on my phone, I thought I heard someone, like, mumbling in the background. I was like, that's weir. When you told me that. No, he's there. And then I went to a different stream, and you see him, and he is a mess.
- [36:40]
B
Oh, my God, the hair.
- [36:41]
A
Disheveled. The hair, the shirt, the scarf. Like, he looks like something that just, like, washed up on the beach.
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B
No, no, literally, it was bridge troll come to life. He was wearing his crazy hair, a beanie, and then a cowboy hat, a jacket, a shirt, a scarf. And he kept taking items of clothing off and, like, leaving it on the stage. So when it was time for him to leave, he had to, like, pick up all of his belongings. So let's talk about him leaving, because I don't know how many songs he was supposed to sing. But somebody clearly turned his guitar off after the first song because it was so disgraceful. And I think they were hoping that, like, he would just walk away. Oh, don't walk away. When will. You could not get Willy Way Cyrus off that stage. You couldn't have offered him $6 million in that moment. Like, nothing was stopping this man from continuing to sing. And he said, my guitar's not working. My guitar's not working.
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A
Not end. He's walking on the stage like, talk.
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B
Then he's saying, achy Breaky Heart. Like, whatever, we'll just do it.
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A
A Comparing himself to Carrie Underwood. He said he had tech issues too.
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B
Oh, my God. I actually was mortified. I could only imagine what it was like being there because. And honestly, like, shame on the event planners for not getting a security guard. And just like, okay, it would have caused a scene for one second. It went on. You would not believe. I think the whole thing, start to finish, was 10 minutes. Like, it was really long.
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A
And it's just like, how is is still happening? We're like texting. I could not believe what I was watching. And even if you watch it now, like, you'll see what he did. But like, that feeling of it happening live and it would not end was so crazy. And he's walking on the stage, talking to everyone. By the time and security's coming, they take his mic stand.
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B
This guy was ill equipped. The guy was secure.
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A
He was like a stage manager.
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B
Yes. He wasn't. Because somebody needed to give him a flask and grab him by the arm and escort because he kept going the wrong way. Whether it was on purpose or not, he would. He could not find the exit of this facility. And he wasn't trying.
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A
He wasn't looking for it.
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B
No. But even when he went down those stairs, I think he felt like he was leaving.
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A
Kissing on all the fans and taking pictures like he's Princess Diana. Like, it was so crazy, you guys.
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B
It was seriously the craziest thing I'd ever seen in my life. It was disgraceful. Like, seriously, to every. It was a slap in the face to every American. It was in my lifetime. In like, in terms of like, crazy performances. Top three, craziest I'd ever seen.
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A
Craziest I've ever seen. Like, it was traitorous to our country.
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B
It was Benedict Ray Cyrus. It was so crazy. And now I feel like I have a lot more understanding because while we've gotten a lot of intel on what's going on with the family's Cyrus drama. We don't know for sure. We just know that there's, like a divide between, like, Billy Ray and everyone. And then there's also that weird thing where, like, maybe Noah dated her mom's boyfriend. But I now have, like, a deeper understanding of, like, how you actually can't communicate or have a relationship with somebody who's that far gone. And I have to imagine that he was on some sort of alcohol or drug.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because that's really not how human beings behave. It was. I genuinely. I genuinely hope that he gets the help that he needs because it was a cry for help.
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A
It was a cry for help. I understand now why there's this. This divide between.
- [39:42]
B
Yes.
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A
Osiris family. So I'm sorry, Miley, that maybe I didn't see it sooner. Even though after we heard that clip of you don't do the Devil done.
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B
Made my daughter a daughter. What did he actually say?
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A
He's called her, like a skank.
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B
That devil skank. Miley, the devil skank. That's what he said.
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A
Now everything's going to be about this performance.
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B
It should be. I'm sorry, this is like a situation where maybe it could be a wake up call for him, but it's. It seems like he's been on this sort of bender for a while since the devil Skank con comment.
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A
Yeah. So it was audio that was leaked and. Yeah, he called her the devil skank.
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B
Such a crazy thing to say about anyone, let alone your daughter. Like, seriously, jail for Billy Ray, Lock him up and throw away the key.
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A
Yeah. So, so crazy. That was just a crazy thing. And then Jason Aldean came out and.
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B
Jason Aldean said, he's like, oh, we got a little bit more time. I think Billy Ray was supposed to, like, deliver, like, a normal performance of like, a couple of songs, and that created more time. And Jason Aldino picked up the pieces that Billy Ray left behind. So he was. He's at least, you know, a consummate professional.
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A
Yeah, he went on there like nothing had just happened. Even though we all saw what.
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B
We only imagine what was going on backstage because it's really all country artists. There's. It's a small circle. So, like, everybody must be talking about it.
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A
Everybody must be.
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B
Nashville is a blaze.
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A
It was so wild. And they, like, he's blaming it on tech issues. Like, even on stage, he, like, even on stage he was saying, oh, yeah.
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B
He said, my guitar is not working. The battery's dead.
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A
Saying, like, it's the audio. But, like, no I think that they cut him off. The video was playing, but they stopped. Like, he wasn't. He couldn't sing. He was grumbling. They cut him off because Jason Aldean had no audio issues or any issues.
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B
Correct. It was.
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A
What a wild time.
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B
It was just the absolute craziest thing I've ever seen. Great. It was so nuts. And it made the Carrie Underwood thing, like, look like. Not like, a big deal. Yeah.
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A
Are you ready for our next story?
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B
I am.
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A
Some fake news this morning, but I want to see what you think. Because Justin Bieber is unfollowed his wife news. So everyone said Justin Bieber unfollowed his wife Haley on Instagram.
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B
And by the way, I guess technically he did. Like. Yeah.
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A
And then today he posted. Someone went on my account and unfollowed. My wife is getting sus out here.
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B
And when I saw on Twitter this morning that he had unfollowed his wife, I feel like news like that happens all the time. And then I go and check, and the people still follow each other.
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A
He did unfollow her.
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B
Yeah. But when I checked this morning, he was following her back. So I was like, oh, fake news. And then he released a statement on Instagram stories. So I guess confirming for a period of time, he at one point had unfollowed.
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A
Yes.
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B
His account was no longer following Haley's. Now, you know me, I love to clown on people who, like, have social media faux pause and then say they got hacked. Like, it's seriously so embarrassing. But I don't know. I'm always very cautious when it comes to Haley and Jesse because there's so much drama around them. Always. And they couldn't, like, seriously be more stable? Like, they've never broken up. They have a baby. Like, they, like, time keeps proving them.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Strong. So I don't know.
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A
Here's what I think.
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B
Saying you got hacked is so lame.
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A
I agree. Here's what I could see.
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B
Angelina. Angelina account, like, in Turkey, getting on the hacking system and up.
- [42:53]
A
If I had to make a guess as to what happened. Just like I did with Tommy and Molly Mae. And let's not forget that. Like, I completely crushed that one.
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B
Absolutely. Slade.
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A
Oh, my gosh. Like, soothe alcohol soothsayer. No alcohol. And she can take him back if he can cut out alcohol. And she's taking him back and he's cutting out alcohol.
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B
Clairvoyant.
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A
Yeah. So here's what I think happened here. I don't think Justin Bieber was hacked by an unidentified third party. I don't even think it was a Julena stand on in Turkey.
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B
I happen to agree.
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A
I actually think that it might have been someone on Justin's team. Like, he's got a, like, someone nefarious actor on his team.
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B
Oh, wow.
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A
Did something like this.
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B
And he was ties to Jelena.
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A
Who has ties to Jelena or maybe doesn't like Haley. Like, there's always, like, rumors about their relationship that I agree with. You are on. Like, I think they're solid. I don't think this is a mark on them as a couple. I think it's a mark on someone who works for Justin.
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B
I had actually thought, like, because Justin is this, like, diva big star. I could see them, like, having an argument, like, a regular marital argument, and him getting mad and unfollowing her. Like, that's how I thought maybe that this went down. I agree. I don't. I. I do not think he got hacked. I think it's actually really hard for a celebrity's Instagram account to get hacked. It used to happen a lot. I feel like it doesn't really happen so much anymore.
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A
If I were to hack Justin Bieber's Instagram, like, I would post, I don't know, a link to follow at the toast.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
Not. And I'd say, like, new music, raising funds. Like, people would literally donate and the person could get away unscathed. Like, there's so many things you could do. Not unfollow the wife. And I just want to say, I actually think that if they got into, like, a fight and he unfollowed her, like, that would be really crazy. And, like, you know, I think bad.
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B
But these are. You have to remember, these are, like, Hollywood type folks. Like, they do crazy things.
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A
They do crazy things. No, but that would, like, that would be a serious red flag. That's a crazy thing to do, especially when, you know the whole world's watching. You want to embarrass her like that.
- [44:39]
B
Well, I don't know how to make sense of this then, because I happen to think that, like, there's a lot of hoopla around them, but at the end of the day, like, they're a really strong couple. And so I don't think that this is, like, a sign that they're getting divorced, but, like. But I also don't think he was hacked. So I don't know what happened here.
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A
I agree with both of you. I don't think it's a sign of their relationship, but I do think that a couple people have access to his instagram and are messing with him.
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B
One more thing about Conclave that just reminded me of something because the Pope's bikini model. Yes. It reminded me a lot of that time that the Pope's Instagram account had liked the photo from an only fan models account. And we were all wondering how that happened. And I feel like now that I know a little bit more about, like, the systems in place, there is 0% chance that it was the Pope himself. And there is definitely a cardinal who's like a young thing who's like taken it on to be. I don't think it's like an intern, per se. I think it's like an actual. A man of the cloth whose specialty is digital. And he was, you know, playing around with the girls.
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A
I agree. It was not the Pope self.
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B
No. It was like Conclave taught me that it wasn't the Pope.
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A
Yeah, agreed. Are you ready for our next story?
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B
What number?
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A
Number three, it seems.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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A
Some social media beef love. Spencer Pratt says he has beef with Caller Daddy host Alex Cooper for allegedly refusing to promote Heidi Montag's song. So Spencer Pratt is all over the interwaves, especially with Tick Tock going down in his big Tick Tock moment. But he's also sharing that he has some beef with Alex Cooper after she allegedly declined to promote his wife Heidi's new song.
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B
The couple made a lot of content about this, like, not only videos, but he also was doing an Instagram live. Excuse me, Tick Tock Live. The night that Tick Tock went down with like Alex Earl and Bethany Frankel. And while he was on with Bethany, he was talking non stop about it. It.
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A
Yeah. And a few other videos where he explained. So when this started happening, he was asking everyone to post Heidi song. He reached out to a bunch of people. He said she was the only one who wouldn't do it. He said at the time that she had said that we have a lot of people displaced from the fires at our house. And I'm like, post the song, girl. He previously had gone on her podcast and I think he was saying, like, he's worn her merch, like, always supported. And that he didn't get that same support from her. Like, he said, like, she's number one on the hit list now.
- [46:53]
B
And we're also getting intel into this, like, viral moment from their interview together because there has. He had walked off the Call Her Daddy show. And I guess a lot of people thought that it was. Up until now, we thought it was fake. I thought it was staged. And it was so Spencer is now making content about that viral moment, sort of pulling the curtain back and being like, yeah, I mean, it was fake, but, like, she did ask that question and, like, it was loaded and it was rude and we did two takes. So, like, he confirmed it was completely staged.
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A
What was the question?
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B
Does it, like, make you sad that you will never be as relevant as you once were? And, like, to Spencer, that's like the most hurtful thing you could say. And so he like, quote, stormed off and he shared that not only did she, she did ask that question, which he found to be like, really offensive, but they had done a take where he responded and like, said something like nasty right back to her. And they didn't want to use that take because they didn't want to include something like nasty that he said about her. So he's just sort of like any sort. Any dirt he has, like, he's throwing, like he's done.
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A
Yeah, but he didn't tell us what he said back to her. That was cut out, did he? No, I didn't see that.
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B
No, no, no, he didn't. He didn't. And then he was providing screenshots. Like, it's getting, you know, it's getting messy. Alex has since used the song. She put out a tick tock statement just about, like, places she's donating and encouraging others. And the song was playing in the background and it was after Spencer already did all of this.
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A
Right.
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B
So there's, you know, there's two things. One, it's like, it's not like Alex was making like a ton of content and like actively not using the song. I believe that was the first time she had posted on social media. Like, she is in la. She is, like, directly affected. But two, like, it's a low lift. Like, just do it. Like, everybody was doing it. Emily Radick house. He was like, literally everyone was doing it.
- [48:34]
A
Yeah, that. And that's just like what influencers and celebrities do for each other. Like, I send you my product, you post it, whatever. And this is just like a song and it couldn't be easier.
- [48:42]
B
Yeah. Like, this is not a time to be around with Spencer Pratt. Like, he's kind of got the world on your on his side. He's extremely powerful right now.
- [48:51]
A
He said, he said respectfully, if I keep my platform and I keep being an A list rich celebrity, she's so fucked because I have beef with her. She sounds like you and Ben.
- [49:00]
B
No, literally. Literally, if I keep being a rich A list celebrity. And so, like, moments like this are Kind of fleeting for anyone, but especially somebody who's like, in the cycle of, like, reality, star influencer, it's hard to. To keep the attention of the world. So the fact that he actively has the world on his side and he's, you know, it's kind of humbling to have to reach out to people, be like, can you please just stream my wife's song? So I get it. And it's crazy. Like, it's seriously, the beef I did not see coming.
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A
And Alex isn't coming.
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B
She hasn't formally, like, gotten in the ring, you know. She hasn't.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Responded. But she made the video sort of, I guess, like white flag, I guess.
- [49:36]
A
But he just kept going. Like, he posted before she made the video. She made the video and after still posting the video. So that didn't move the needle for him. I don't see her responding to this, though. I don't.
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B
No, no, I don't see it either. I think maybe she like, marked herself as safe. Like, I, you know, all in all, I did do the song. I did do the thing you asked me. And she does have a valid excuse, like living in la. She said they're like housing a bunch of people. I'm sure it's been like a crazy two weeks. But you could also make the argument that like, you could have posted like one tick tock. It takes like 10 seconds. Like. Yeah, yeah. You could argue both sides.
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A
Yeah. Spencer said that he's team Sophia with an F now. He said, oh, that was. Posted the song and did a dance.
- [50:13]
B
Not only did Sophia with it F posted the song, she posted it like the minute after Spencer made his first video about Alex. So she like, she saw an opportunity and she took it.
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A
Yeah.
- [50:23]
B
So this thing's getting. Getting deep. And also I found really interesting was the Alex Earl of it all.
- [50:28]
A
Yes.
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B
So I was saying that Saturday night, the night before TikTok, as the TikTok was coming to an end, Bethany, Alex, Earl and Spencer, who are like three big personalities on TikTok, did a live together and actually it actively stopped TikTok. It was actually. It was like kind of crazy. And earlier in the live, they were talking a lot about Alex Cooper. And so I feel like for Alex and Earl to have been a part of that, I think a lot of people are now questioning, like, is there beef between Alex and Alex?
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A
Well, I feel like the streets were saying that there were whispers that there's beef betwixt the Alexes because they were.
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B
Like every, everywhere, everything, all at once, like doing Events. I haven't seen them together, like, interacting, whether it's in person or even on social media in years. Her show is still a part of Alex's network.
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A
Years.
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B
Oh, I'm sorry. You know me and time a year.
- [51:15]
A
To me, like, I don't see that as like, necessarily a smoking gun, but I actually think, like, going on live with, like, your boss's arch nemesis at the moment is very telling. Like, that's.
- [51:26]
B
It's indicative.
- [51:27]
A
Like this. It's told. I'm not even like, oh, it's smoke now. I'm like, oh, there's beef betwixt the licks.
- [51:33]
B
But I also think, like, the not showing up to events, I think that's like a core part of Alex's network is throwing these events. And not only can you come and meet Alex, but you can come and meet all the other unwell swirlies. Like, they just did one in Philly. That's like, I think a huge part of their, like, business strategy. Yes.
- [51:48]
A
But I think. So you could make the argument. Maybe you are right, but I.
- [51:50]
B
For the biggest star not to. She hasn't been to one in a while.
- [51:53]
A
I would say the counter argument is that she was among the first to join the network and she was the first one in the early days going to all the events. And now there are other people and maybe they take up the torch right now. Like, or there's beef between them or there's beef.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I could also. I think a lot of these things, like, can be explained, but when you put it.
- [52:07]
B
Yes.
- [52:08]
A
The live actually can't be explained. And Alex Earl, like, keeps making videos with the song.
- [52:13]
B
With. With the song. Yeah.
- [52:14]
A
And that person was just, like, trash talking your boss and friend.
- [52:18]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's. It's definitely layered.
- [52:21]
A
Yeah, it's a layered one.
- [52:23]
B
My coccygeny is so bad today. Like, oh, if you're watching on YouTube, looks like an actual grandmother is hosting this podcast.
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A
Coccydini is strong.
- [52:33]
B
Thank you. Me and my community really want to just genuinely thank you for the advocacy you've done for us. And we are going to give you our Ambassador of Hope award.
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A
Oh.
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B
There weren't any other contenders, so thank you.
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A
That's so beautiful. Thank you.
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B
You're welcome.
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A
Are you ready for our next story?
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B
I am.
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A
Rachel Kirkennel's sister claims that Matt James broke up just three hours before.
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B
It's been so long since we did a show. Like, I forgot how much news there was.
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A
I know, but I just have to, like, put a pin Like a button on this. Because until Rachel speaks out, this is what we know. Rachel's sister says that Matt James broke up with Rach just three hours before the shocking Instagram announcement. He shared on Thursday. Trinity, the sister, shared the timeline hint under a Tick Tockers video about the breakup. Trinity had previously told the Tick Tocker that Rachel and James were still together. When he revealed they had separated, James posted the photo of them, including them meeting at the famous bachelor mansion with his prayer. Trinity said that he had broken up with her three hours before he posted that statement.
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B
I have to imagine everything. Trinity, because Trinity's been making news, you know, and I imagine it's all sanctioned by Rachel. So for that, like, I feel good.
- [53:45]
A
And my belief is that Rachel. And like, as a follower of Rachel, I believe her sister is, like, in her content a lot. Like, they are close.
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B
Yes. No, this is coming.
- [53:54]
A
It's not like Meghan Markle's sister. No. Samantha, who hasn't seen her in years.
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B
Right, right. And also another thing that came out, and, you know, I had seen a couple of dms about this. People being like, actually, I only got it from one girl. It must be the same girl who submitted to Duma. She was like, please don't include my name, but, like, I am in Japan. And I saw Rachel and Matt together the day they announced their breakup. And I was like, wait, what? And then that girl. Maybe it was the same girl. Maybe someone else wrote into Dumas being like, hi, I'm in Japan. And I literally saw these two the day they announced they broke up and showed a picture. So the timeline is coming together. It's still pretty vague, but they weren't in London, which I think a lot of us could have guessed them having. But they were together the day that they broke up, and they were also on a trip. That is really unbelievably strange. And the more. This is just like. It's seriously so weird, the whole thing.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I don't know who's going to speak first.
- [54:47]
A
It. Given the track record. Matt, how. Who we'd want to hear from Rachel.
- [54:51]
B
It's true. It's true.
- [54:53]
A
Yeah. So I'm waiting to hear from her. The more I hear about the breakup, the more I'm happy that they broke up because he. She deserves something different.
- [55:02]
B
You just really never know, like, what's going on. Because I think a lot of people would have considered them, like, a really, really strong. Everything seemed to be perfect couple. And not only is that not the case, but, like, now, of course, People do things like nefariously, but you know, people go back and say, well, this was something weird that Matt did. And a lot of like his comments or things that, you know, was pulled from a podcast. Like, it's not giving like supportive husband.
- [55:24]
A
Yeah.
- [55:25]
B
Especially when it comes to like, anytime they were asked about proposals, it was very much like him making her wait. And how funny is that, huh? It's literally not.
- [55:31]
A
Yeah. But it's also like hard to judge that stuff like on its face because sometimes it is shtick and like you have like a story about your relationship that you put out to the world, but like, we also don't know what it actually is. So I take that with a grain of salt.
- [55:46]
B
100. And it's not always in good faith. Yeah, like I'm not fully like all signs indicates like Matt being the villain here, but I haven't seen enough full 100. Foolproof. Like I need to know. Yeah, I need to know more before I can really agree.
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A
But it's not looking good. Three hours.
- [56:01]
B
No, it's not. It's not.
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A
Are you ready for our fifth and final story?
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B
If it's our fifth and final story that's brought to you by Good Ranchers.
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A
Yes.
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B
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A
Thank you/church.
- [59:02]
B
You're welcome.
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A
Our fifth and final story. A little hosting news. Host for The Grammy Awards 2025 has been announced. Oh, and it is Trevor Noah again. So Trevor Noah will return as master of ceremonies of the 67th annual Grammy Awards for the fifth consecutive year. He also will serve as a producer on the show.
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B
Okay, next.
- [59:23]
A
Yeah, well, you know what I actually just saw, I had two stories for the fifth and I went with that one and I bumped the other.
- [59:29]
B
Did we learn nothing from Nikki Glaser? Like, give it to the. Give it to the renegade. Like the same group of people hosting every. Like, Trevor Noah is now a Jimmy to me. Like.
- [59:38]
A
Yeah, but the thing, the host of.
- [59:39]
B
One of those daytime show nighttime shows. Excuse me. And it's just like, it's boring.
- [59:43]
A
He, they obviously like him. They think he does a good job. And I think last year we said like, it was fine. It was totally fine. I do think Nikki Glaser will force him to like step his Travis up.
- [59:55]
B
Because, you know, for Trevor, it's not his travussy, it's his tushy. You guys know I saw Trevor Noah one time in real life and he had like a really big tushy. It was just. It's something that doesn't get spoken.
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A
Is it on the list maybe?
- [60:08]
B
Yeah, you can add it to list of Claudia's favorite stories. We were at Soho House having brunch and it was buffet. So he got up to go to the buffet and it was definitely the pants because they were like tight khaki, which is just a choice when you have like a big ass. And he's wearing a belt too. That was like cinching his waist. And it was just, it was giving bbl like it really was.
- [60:23]
A
It's already on the list. I do think maybe he'll do a little bit more comedy now that Nikki Glaser set the bar so high. But I do remember remarking last year was totally fine and obviously it was fine. Grammys were fine with it. So the Grammys are not going to.
- [60:35]
B
Be giving like a diatribe like we did when Nikki Laser did the Grammys and then we Oscars and then we came on here and gave like a whole hour long speech about how amazing it was. There will be no such speech.
- [60:44]
A
No, I doubt it. I mean, always holding space, like for possibility, but probably not. Grammys are February 2nd, so that's kind of soon sneaking up on us. And also like the Oscar nominations keep getting postponed because of the wildfires, but.
- [60:58]
B
I do think that they've been Given a date.
- [61:00]
A
Yeah, I think they're gonna get the show. Must go on.
- [61:04]
B
There was, like, a theory that the Oscars were gonna be canceled this year. Oh, and it was so funny. It was making me laugh. Not that it's funny, but like, there was a tick tock from, like, cnn, like, something legit that was like, Oscars heavily considering canceling stream just because it's, like, so out of touch, right? And it's just like. And that's what people wanted Tart to do, right? Like cancel this sort of extravagant thing. Jackie, the comments were like, well, wouldn't it be better for them to put it on and donate the proceeds? So it's like you literally can't win if you cancel. Like, you're not helping. And if you go and donate, you're not helping and you're out of touch. Like, it was actually funny to me to see, like, both sides of the coin. I'm like, okay, well, people are just impossible.
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A
Well, that's the moral of the story. People are just impossible.
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B
People are also complex. And I think that's really reflected in this week's Dear Toasters. Jackie, there is the craziest one. I'll save it for last.
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A
Really? Oh, maybe I won't be able to stop thinking about. It's hard for me, you know, I know. To toggle between dts, but so I do my best.
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B
Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment where Jackie and I help three swirlies in need. They write to us about things that are going on in their lives, whether it's relationship related, work related, hygiene related, sometimes we have a hygiene one today. And so whatever you need help with, if you ever are finding yourself in a pickle being like, I would love to hear from this fabulous swirlies that I listen to every day, you actually can write into us deartoastersmail.com or head over to our website, thetoastpodcast.com scroll down, there's a little submission box. Both are totally anonymous. Are you ready? Hello, swirlies. Okay, you have permission to laugh at this absolutely insane conundrum I found myself in. My husband is perfect in every way, but over the course of our marriage, there have been a few times that he has forgotten to flush the toilet. Which is not the concern I'm of course bringing you today. Although it is insane, my concern is that the few times this has happened, there has been no toilet paper in the toilet. I'm starting and it's poop. Just to be clear. Yeah. My concern is that the few times as he's had this, you know, toilet paper. And I'm starting to get seriously concerned that he isn't wiping his tushy. Do I ask him or just like, let him do his thing? It's kind of embarrassing for him. For him. And I'm sure no man wants his wife asking if he wipes his butt, but I also need him to start wiping his butt. If that's the case, what do I do?
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A
So I think you could totally ask him. This doesn't seem like a man who's easily embarrassed or else he would think twice and flush the toilet. That's what someone who's like a. A shy, embarrassed person would do.
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B
I would like to offer like one sort of like saving grace alternative that like, maybe, just maybe the poops that he has not flushed are poops you took before a shower. Because sometimes if you're like about to get in the shower, like, unless you had explosive diarrhea, like, you don't need to wipe. Like I would, but you don't have to.
- [63:25]
A
Have you ever, ever done that?
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B
I've again, personally, like, yeah, okay. Like, I have like if I made like a pargie loaf that like was sort of.
- [63:35]
A
That is so crazy. It's a good. It's a good thing.
- [63:37]
B
And then you're going to shower to what? To literally wash your ass?
- [63:40]
A
I think it's something that's toilet paper.
- [63:41]
B
Gonna do compared to my body.
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A
It's step one for sure.
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B
I'm just offering an alternative and I just want to say for the record, like, I don't do that all the time.
- [63:49]
A
I would have never crossed my mind. However I do in thinking about it, think it's something that a man might do. So that could be one. But I think you just ask him, like, there's really no secrets like, of the, like this between man. It's not that embarrassing. Just be like, by the way, what are you doing?
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B
Ever heard of toilet paper?
- [64:05]
A
Yeah, just find out. Like, this would like, seriously curiosity would get the best of me.
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B
And this is just a great reminder of the thing one time. Speaking of your friend Sam who stayed at your house this weekend, who's your new best friend who you like, don't need me anymore because of her husband.
- [64:18]
A
One time said like for over 10 years.
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B
For sure. For sure. No, I'm kidding. Her husband one time said like, truly one of the most profound things to me that I never forgot. You know what I'm about to say I do. About wiping your butt. He was just like, it's really so crazy that like 99% of Americans feel it's sufficient to wipe their asses after, like, making a duty with toilet paper. Because, like, let's say you got a. It's like, it's duty on your skin, right? Let's say you got duty on your finger. Would you just wipe it away with toilet paper? Like, no, you would use soap. So I.
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A
Ever since then, she's not a fair comparison because, like, you eat with your fingers and it needs to be, okay, fine.
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B
But no, no, he. In his defense, he said your arm. He said your arm.
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A
Yeah. Also, like you, it's out in the world.
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B
So I just want to say, like, I. Ever since then, my house is always fully stocked. I use, like, adult wipes. Cotton L is my favorite brand, if anybody cares. But I'll take whatever I can get. And I think more people need to get comfortable. I know in other countries, bidets are, like, really popular. Like, they're even like public toilets. And that's, like, extreme for me. But I think a wipe, like, as a country, the fact that we don't use more wipes, like, there should be wipes in every major public restroom.
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A
Moral of the story, just ask him. He's not someone who can be embarrassed. And maybe he needs. And if he is going to be embarrassed, like, maybe he needs to be a little bit embarrassed so he starts flushing the toilet. Whether or not he wipes is his issue, if you hadn't noticed it, like, in an other way, you know, Right.
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B
Like, when you're having sex, like, does it smell like poo?
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A
Yeah. Like, then it's probably not an issue, but I would just want to know for fun. For fun.
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B
Okay, this one. This one's really crazy.
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A
Okay.
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B
Hi, Swirlies. I'm a working married mom of two. A few months ago, I got a comment on a TikTok video I posted from a fake account telling me that my husband was cheating on me. It turned out to be true, and that is being dealt with. My problem is whoever this person is that messaged me will not stop posting videos of me. Screenshots of TikTok messages she sent me. But when I blocked her, she tagged my business. Or she'll tag my sister. I can't get away from her. Who is she? What does she want? Do I ignore it? Sincerely, an annoyed toaster who doesn't have time to deal with this bitch.
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A
It might be her husband's mistress who wants 100% and wants to ruin your life and wants to ruin your life so that you leave him and that he's all hers. Who else could it be?
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B
This is, like, so crazy to happen to just, like, a civilian, you know, but not, like a celebrity.
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A
Yeah. But she also, like, has a business and it seems like maybe she's a little bit of a creator. So if she didn't have those things, like, I don't know if the person would have messaged her or emailed her or something. But either way, I think it's someone who is sleeping with your husband. Obsessed with your husband once you're in your life.
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B
Yeah. Or like, slept with your husband once and, like, didn't get the relationship out of it that she wanted, so she's trying to, like, take you down. There are, like, not services, but there are people on the Internet who, like our FBI investigators who can, like, find out who's behind a Finster. And if it's, like, really bothering you, because I kind of would want to know too. Or honestly, if your husband is in the doghouse, like, that would be a great opportunity. Like, I need the names of everybody you slept with so I can cross reference them with my stalker.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then once you find out the identity of the stalker, she's lost all of her power. Right, Right. The power is in the anonymity. So you can then go to her place of business and give her a little bit. Yeah. Go to the brothel where she works and give her a little bit of her own medicine.
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A
And if you are trying to reconcile with your husband, like, he can earn some points to come clean. He can earn some points by sharing some names and, like, letting you know who he thinks this might be. And if you guys are splitting up, well, he could still do you a solid.
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B
Yeah. Like, on your way out after burning the house down, if you could just be decent for 30 seconds, that would be great.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So I would start with him. Finding out the identity of your stalker is, I think, the first step in taking your power back. This third and final to your toasters is one of the craziest ones that maybe we've ever had on our show. Not to be dramatic. Hello, Jackson. Claude, I desperately need your advice. My husband and I are very close with two other couples. My husband has known the guys since college. We all have kids the same age. We take trips together throughout the year, and we're pretty much together every weekend. All this to say we are very close. Well, here's my dilemma. I was on my husband's phone looking for an email from my son's school to forward to myself. While looking, I noticed he had sent multiple naked Photos of me to the two guys in our friend group. And the two guys had also sent naked photos of their wives to my husband. Some of the photos were ones I had taken myself and sent to my husband and some he had taken of me that I had never seen before. Obviously I feel weird about this and I don't know what to do. Do I tell the other wives, AKA my closest friends, do I confront the guys about it? Help. Love ya. Now what comes to mind immediately, that.
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A
Guy in France, a thousand percent.
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B
Giselle Picolt or whatever her name is. If you don't know the story, it is probably one of the most sinister, disturbing. This woman who was married to her husband for like 50 years found out. Remind me how she found out again.
- [68:51]
A
So the guy, he was caught like at the mall taking pictures like up girls skirts. And so he was detained by the police. The police went through his phone, his.
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B
Computer and they found, they found all.
- [69:02]
A
Of these photos and videos of his wife. So basically what he would do was he was drugging his wife and then at night was letting men come and gang bang and rape his wife. And he had pictures and videos of it. And this was going on for years and years and years. And she had no idea. And of course like she suffered medical issues because of this and it was just a mystery to her.
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B
And her doctor, her name is Giselle Pellicott.
- [69:24]
A
Yeah. So he was.
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B
And the, the trial just happened. It was like 70 men were all found guilty of like gang rape and, and him like taking pictures of his daughters too. Selling them. Daughters in law selling. So it was one. I didn't even know humans could be that depraved. It, it was huge news in France and it made its way over here because it, they all were just found guilty. I haven't thought, I stopped thinking about that story. Like it was so upsetting. She would go to the doctor with all these like issues. Yeah, like health issues.
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A
Health issues, of course, like vaginal health.
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B
She had no idea she was being raped every night.
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A
Loss.
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B
Oh my God. Like seriously so crazy. And honestly, I don't want to be dramatic and I know everybody says charity gets dramatic. This is giving her husband energy. Like taking nude photos of your wife without her knowledge is such a crazy weird thing to do. Sending them to other people. Like now we are entering the territory of your criminal. To me.
- [70:20]
A
Yeah, that they have like a little thing and they have some.
- [70:22]
B
Yeah, you absolutely have to tell the wives.
- [70:24]
A
First step. Tell the wives. I would if you could like just get screenshots of Everything, get it to your phone so that you can like show them with their own two eyes. Like, it's so absurd they might not believe you. And then either confront the men, I don't know, like, go to the police. Go to their mothers. Like, this is so crazy.
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B
Go to their mother. I know.
- [70:43]
A
Like, of course, like you think about.
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B
Like on its surface, let's say like best case, they're just like freaks sharing, that's grounds for divorce, in my opinion. Let's say, even if it's nothing more disturbing, sinister, evil than that, like, like I'm walking around my house naked. That's the most like sanct. What's the word I'm looking for? Private, like intimate. And you're taking pictures, any of your friends, that's grounds for divorce. I think there's something even more disturbing going on under the surface. I don't even know what it is. So the fact that the three of you, them like do this, they're doing something worse with these photos. These are freaks.
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A
I agree.
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B
And even if they're not doing something worse, that is not your man. Your man protects you. Your man loves you. Your man would fight to the end of the earth to keep your body like your private space. This man is your enemy. He's the devil.
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A
Yeah. Call the police.
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B
Call. Call the police, comma, Call their mothers.
- [71:36]
A
Yeah.
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B
Sometimes calling someone's mom is more powerful than calling. But sometimes like, you know, people end up being so crazy because they have crazy parents too. Like sometimes you'll tell someone your son did this and they're like, so, so sometimes it's not a foolproof plan, the, the mother's thing. But sometimes calling someone's mom, especially if they have like a, you know, like an immigrant parent. Oh, they don't around like this like very. It's very cultural too. Sometimes call their parents.
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A
Yeah. I don't get.
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B
Jackie's right. Get all the evidence first before, before he knows you're on to him because you sat. Like, this is so far fetched. I don't, I've never heard of this. You need like take your phone and film the chat. Yeah, film the chat. Film his phone while you're scrolling through the chat. Like I think because too many screenshots, that leaves a paper trail. No. And video. This could be edited. Not a video can't be edited. Film the chat.
- [72:24]
A
Yeah, good idea.
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B
You send that to the wives. I like that. You know, and you have a little bit of head start because you need. People are going to think they're going to doubt you because it's so crazy. You need unequivocal evidence.
- [72:38]
A
Really disturbing.
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B
I'm really sorry. Like, that's such innovation of privacy.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And that's Dear toasters.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Did I by the way, did I over exaggerate or like hype up too much?
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A
I feel sick.
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B
I know. That's why I left it for last. So we can just wrap it up.
- [72:53]
A
Okay, let's wrap up.
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B
Thank you guys so much listening to the chosen Monday morning show. Wait. Thank you so much for listening to the chosen Monday morning show where we deliver the fastest stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching this on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as podcasts and where podcasts can be found so it's Spotify, itunes, Stitcher public radio. I have radio castbox all the places wherever you listen to podcast. Vanessa Toastley a five star review about a beautiful beautiful about a stunning and about how wickedly talented we are.
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A
Love ya. Bye.