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Good morning, millennials.
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Welcome back to the Chose and Happy Monday. Hope everybody's having a Gargy Bargie Monday. Oh, it's. I'm feeling so musical after watching the Grammys. It's a Gargy Bargie Monday. Yeah, that's right. Jack's here. Cleared here. Time to recap the Grammys. Time to recap our weekends. So much to discuss. How you learn.
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So much to discuss. Yes, this will be a musical episode. Not that the other ones aren't, but we are recapping the Grammys. The five and a half hour show. Was it. I don't know because eventually I had to go to sleep. So I did miss the last three hours, but I watched most of it.
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B
I would say I watched. Well, it's so insane. Like, I went to bed at 11:15 and I would say I watched most of the Grammys, but I definitely didn't see the most important part until this morning, like having to watch clips on social media. We're going to get into like a full Grammys recap. But I do want to say, like, I do take major umbrage with the abuse of our time.
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Yeah, that was really crazy, especially because there were so many parts that were easily cuttable like there. It just felt like they got a five hour time slot this time and they were going to use it. The beginning was really strong and I'm sure the end was strong because that's when the big awards come out. But like, they genuinely wanted to waste our time 1,000%.
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And, you know, I feel. I feel like I know what I'm going to say is, like, about to get me canceled. But I felt as though the Quincy Jones tribute was like, far too long. No disrespect to the dead. Like, seriously, Quincy Jones is an amazing, amazing person. His work speaks for itself. But like so much Will Smith, like, so much.
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A
There was a lot. And at a certain point I didn't know, like, what I was watching in respect of. Do you know what I mean? Like, it went from Memorandum to Quincy Jones, back to the fires, back to another tribute tributing Alicia Keys by Queen Latifah.
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What am.
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I didn't know who I was tributing at certain points.
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I feel like in terms of tributes, they spread themselves a little thin.
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Too many tributes, too many tributaries.
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And I thought that Chris Martin was about to sit down and sing a One Direction song and I was so fucking excited. And he sang a song I didn't know. So that was a missed opportunity. Like, what song?
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A
I thought when I was nice.
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B
Yeah. Like a very acoustic piano. Like Night Changes.
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A
Night Changes would have been nice because everybody's always listening to Night Changes and using it in their reels.
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B
Yeah. There's just no reason that they shouldn't. Like, they.
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A
That would have been really part. I didn't even think of it. Now I'm like, feeling Boat.
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Oh, I thought for sure. And I'm like, this is so sweet. Like, you know, kind of the OG boy band guy, Chris Martin.
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What did he sing?
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I wasn't familiar with Coldplay song. I wasn't familiar.
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A
Everyone was also liking that. Playing songs that aren't theirs. And then also everyone was singing songs for California. And there are only so many great songs about California. And then we're just like, singing. And they didn't even sing California.
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Lots of covers.
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Why didn't they sing that one?
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Why didn't they sing. Oh, never mind.
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A
Why did they sing California Girls by Katy Perry? Like, they're actually been better songs.
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Was Katy Perry. I knew she wasn't nominated.
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A
Brutally snubbed. Not that it's a snub if you don't deserve it. She was, like, completely left out.
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I don't know. It's not a snub if you're not qualified.
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I don't know how she could have shown her face.
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I know when all of her peers.
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A
She wasn't nominated. So do you even get an invitation at that point?
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I mean, if she wanted to present, they would have, like, totally thrown her a bone. But I think it's. I think it's a pride thing. Like, it would have been so glaringly obvious that she wasn't. No one was talking about how many nominations lifetimes got. Because it deserved none. But if she was there, we would have been talking about, like, oh, that's weird. How many did she get? Oh, none.
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Has Katy Perry ever won a Grammy or is she in that category?
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I fear she might be in the category of, like, your pop girlies who've never won a Grammy. Or she. She has Katy Perry Grammy.
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A
People who've never won a Grammy who deserve at least one. I feel like it's her.
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B
Yes, she's been nominated, but she's won a grand total of 0 of her 13 nominations.
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A
She can't go. I'm sorry. She can't.
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B
For Katie Self, I just want to say Prism was snubbed for Best Pop Vocal Album.
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A
No. Like Firework when it was nominated for best Song.
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B
She was not. By the way. She's been nominated since her foray into music. I Kissed A Girl was nominated. She's so. It's not for lack of nominations.
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A
They should have brought her to St. California girls. That way she could have come. I'm sure she was free last night.
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B
And, you know, she was just, like, sitting at home. I don't think she's checking her phone.
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A
Beefing, though, like, because Ariana Grande doesn't go because she has beef with the Grammys and, like, Eternal Sunshine, even though it's nominated here and there. Like, it was. It got some snubs also. She, like, will never go to the Grammys again. Ari.
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B
Yeah, she's kind of like the female weekend. Except if she were to come back, people would care.
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A
Shade. I don't think there's, like, beef for Katy Perry. I think it's just like, we'll get them next time.
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I actually don't have beef, per se, with the weekend. I will say, after last night, I think I actually understand him more than ever before. It was just funny how, like, it was like this big grand reveal, and I don't know if, like, the American people were super conscious that the weekend was actively boycotting the Grammys. It's like, he's back and we're like, oh, he left.
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Yeah.
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So it was a good performance. And I did realize he's kind of like one of the only male straight pop stars. I was thinking that because you asked me if Benson Boone was gay and. And I was like, actually, I don't know. But then I was like, well, who are like, the pop boys? And it's like Harry Styles, but he's very, you know, gender. I mean, sexually fluid. And I'm like, who are like the. The straight pop boys. And it's literally the weekend Post Malone. Okay. But he's like a rapper, I guess. He's like, so genre.
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A
He's also country, but like, yeah, put him there.
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B
Okay. Yeah, fine. Who else?
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A
Drake, Kendrick Lamar. Okay, so rap Pop, you want to say?
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B
Yeah, pop.
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Well, yeah, pop is a girly category. So if you're a man in the category, like, you're gonna be girl.
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B
You're a little girly.
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Well, Ed Sheeran. Ed Sheeran.
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B
Ed Sheeran holds it down for the straight boys.
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A
Ed Sheeran.
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What about Ed Sheeran? Very good. Yes, very good.
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That's why he has, like, so many streams, because it's like, everyone has to go to the one if they're looking.
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Same at the weekend. We're always saying, like, is the weekend an industry plan? No. Maybe he's just sort of like the winner by default. When it comes to male superstars.
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Yeah, it's interesting to think about.
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B
Yeah. So we will do, like, a full Grammys recap. All the performances, the outfits, the awards. But, Jax, how was your weekend?
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A
So my weekend was very quiet. We were in bed at home getting over the flu, which wasn't, like, actually so terrible to just be cozy watching tv. And, you know, I can only watch so much Spidey and his amazing friends. So I actually read my book for the redheads while they were watching tv. And it is so good. This book is so good. And it's been so long since I've read Wedding People. The Wedding People. So it's just like a fiction book. A girl, it's, you know, present day, she's going like. It's just a one woman telling her story of what she's up to, which.
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B
Add it to my goodreads.
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It's hard for me to like.
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B
I'm surprised that you like it.
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Yeah, no, I'm shocked that I like it so much. It has, like, a lot of depth. It's not just, like, a surface lyrics, girly book. Like, there are so many interesting touch points. Just, like, good banter, good writing. I was talking to Dana about it. Not to spoil it, but, like, she is.
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No, don't spoil it. I just added to myself not to.
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Spoil the book, but Dana is loving the book. And it's been so long since, like, I've liked just a fiction nonsense book, even though this book is not nonsense, just because it's really well written. It's hard for me to care about things that aren't true, that aren't, like, based on a true story, that aren't telling a larger message of something important. It's just good writing and good reading. And I. I'm loving it. Like, I'll be sad when it's over. You should read it.
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B
That's so good. I was, like, gonna read it, but the fact that you liked it is shocking. So I'll read it.
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A
Yeah. No, it's not, like, just swirly stupid. You know, boy meets girl smut. It's real. Even though, like, it has that sort of COVID Yes.
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B
I thought it was for sure that.
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A
No, there's some, like, really.
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B
I judged a book by its cover.
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Big themes and really good writing.
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B
I failed at my one mission this weekend, which was to see the Brutalist. I did not do it. I didn't. I couldn't find the four hours.
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A
Did you watch DaVinci Code?
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B
No, I watched hours and hours of Desperate Housewives. Oh, And I came up with a thesis. I don't know.
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A
So educational.
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B
Also educational. I posted a tick tock about it. It kind of flopped, which was like, disgusting. But I was watching the show and, you know, I feel like we've had this conversation before about how Susan Meyer is very Carrie Bradshaw coated, right?
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A
Yeah.
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You know, insufferable leads. Think they're so cutesy and they're just awful friends, awful decision makers, awful. You know, women in finance, like, they're so poorly, like, with their house. So we've always made that comparison. And it wasn't until this weekend that I had this sort of breakthrough because I was watching Lynette and I was feeling this familiar feeling with Lynette that I really felt when I rewatched as a grown woman for the first time. Sex and the City. Lynette Scavo is very much the Miranda Hobbs of Wisteria Lane, you know, the unsung hero. And when you watched it the first time, it was just like nobody wanted to be the Ly.
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It was glamorous.
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Glamorous.
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But she was the voice of reason.
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And when you rewatch it now as like, you know, someone who runs a household who has a husband, who, you know will be a mom, like, you have so much respect for how she deals with everything in such a funny way. So it's very relatable. And she, I'm sorry, she's literally the best character. And you couldn't have paid me to say that when I was a kid. And then I realized I'm like, all four of the Wisteria women are literally the sex of the city women. Because Gabby is so Samantha, like fun, flirty, sexy, like a little outrageous. I mean, and Charlotte is so Brie Vandekamp. It's almost. It is a four perfect parallels.
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A
It is so much so that, like, this doesn't feel like new information or a breakthrough idea. Like, we either have this conversation or it's just so obvious that it's like, well, duh.
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B
No, okay. Like, not you like clowning on my original thesis. No, it's original and it's brilliant.
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A
And to take it a step further, like other four, like, maybe. Maybe this is actually a commentary on the fact that like, showrunners can only show women. And one of women woman. That time I did it women in one of four boxes. Because also, like girls. There's actually pretty even comparisons. Like, obviously Lena Dunham is the Carrie in. In a Brooklyn sense, but there's like Shoshana is the Charlotte.
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B
Okay. It doesn't Feel as perfect to me.
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A
Jessa is the Samantha. Samantha. Yes. And then I guess Miranda is the Marnie. It's not as perfect, but, like, it's these, like, four stereotypes of women. Are we only one of four?
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No. See, I don't think that girls fits into this box at all. But there are, like, so many shows with four female leads and four distinct personalities. I would be curious to see if there are other, like, perfect matches.
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A, B, C, and D. Although I.
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Can imagine that Mark Cherry was just, like, inspired by Sex in the City, like, as a showrunner himself, why wouldn't he be?
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Yeah. And I do think most women can really identify as one, if not like, a fusion of two.
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Yeah. Who do you think you are?
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I think I'm a fusion of two.
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Yeah. I'm definitely like Lynette with a sprinkle of Gabby.
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A
So I'm Lynette with a sprinkle of Brie Bray.
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And when it comes to Sex in the City, I can't lie. Like, I don't relate to any of those. I would say by. By that same logic, I'm a Miranda with a sprinkle of Samantha because I'm, like, funny and outrageous, but it's not a perfect fit for me.
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No. But, yeah, it would be the same thing. Miranda with the sprinkle of Charlotte.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I just feel like Miranda's just. She's. I don't know why you just don't want to claim her.
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B
Of course. That's the whole thesis.
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That's how the Miranda claim Lynette is what I mean.
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Yeah, of course. Because, like, seriously, they did Miranda absolutely no justice in those first couple of seasons with her hair, her outfit, and then, like, some of her choices. It was just, of course, nobody would immediately be like, yeah, I want to be that one. Like, she had a buzz cut. She was wearing, like, overalls, and she just, like, she seriously looked horrible while all the other women were so fabulous. Like, above and beyond fabulous. It's like they lost their budget for a stylist when it came to Miranda.
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A
But Miranda wouldn't have a stylist. She need not be styled.
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B
No. You can't put Miranda in a box, though.
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A
We just.
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B
That's what I did. I watched so much Desperate Housewives. Ben is obsessed with rewatching it. Honestly, it's such a good show. It's, like, one thing we can really agree. So I pretty much rotted. Oh, I went to Times Square, and I saw our billboard. Jax and I are on a huge billboard in Times Square. I know. On 44th and 7th. And it's so funny because we've both posted about it on social media so much, and one thing we've, like, kind of majorly left out of this big story is, like, right after our billboard is a billboard for the good guys. We, like, did it together.
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Yeah. Like, they helped us and, like, it rotates between us. And you would never know that from our content.
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Social media. Yeah. So we also saw the good guys Billboard.
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A
Also saw the good guys Billboard.
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B
Right.
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A
Very cool.
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Huge. I wish you could see it, Jackie. I don't know how big the building is. It must be, like, 30 stories. It's insane.
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That's insane. If you guys are in Times Square, like, please take a picture and send a picture, because, yeah, I will. That was. That's something that will never not be the coolest thing to me. Like, I don't care how many, but we've had two so far. But I don't care how many billboards we have in this world. Like, I. You will always catch me posting an emotional reel about it.
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B
A thousand person.
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Like, I will never get over the coolness.
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It's so cool. So that's what I did. I don't think I did anything else, like, worth recapping, especially when we have such a big recap coming up with. With the Grammys. Like, yeah, it was my whole day yesterday. I got. I, like, sat at, like, six to watch red carpet, and by the time it was 11:30, I still hadn't even seen, like, Song of the Year, and I actually got angry and turned it off.
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Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts. It was a very much, you know, if you were taking my blood pressure and emotional roller coaster because it was so strong to start, and I always feel like the Grammys, it's like they have all these big ideas of collaborations and performers, and it just kind of does nothing. But I felt like everyone who performed, like, really proved themselves last night is, like, why? For the Best new Artist, that whole medley was.
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B
Oh, I love that.
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A
And it just was like, who could possibly win this category? Anyone could win, and it would feel right.
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B
It was a really interesting Grammys because I can't remember one in recent history where every category was, like, truly so stacked. Like, best new Artist, Song of the year, record of the Year, Album of the Year. Like, there were seriously three or four in each category that could have won, and there would be no contest for me, you know?
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Yeah.
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So it was really fun to be on, like, the edge of your seat and really not know who was going to win. Now I have my thoughts obviously on the winners. Not Taylor going home with seriously no.
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A
Awards and Billie Eilish.
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Yeah. That doesn't mean as much to me.
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But upsetting to you but like it doesn't feel right. Like a birds of a feather. And I think the album that it came off of, like for Billy fans, very high streamed. It's insanely like successful and. And good, like musically.
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Yeah. And I will say something because I'm like extremely hard on Billie Eilish. I'm not like a big fan of hers. That song is partial. It's so amazing. Yeah. And that's what music does. Like it transcends everything. Because when that song comes on, I'm sorry. Like, I want you to stay. Like, it's really. And I love you till the day. Like, I'm sorry. That song is beautiful. Like, try not crying. Seriously.
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No, it's really beautiful. That's why I'm saying regardless of my feelings, I could put those aside and say like the girl was snubbed for something.
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She definitely was.
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She got zero off of this album that like fans have said it is her best.
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B
Yeah. So I, I thought her performance left much to be desired.
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A
Well, she's not like a big on like the bells and whistles, you know.
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B
No. And you don't have to be big on the bells and whistles if you're gonna like show up with like one really strong category. No, no category. Like some people really just show up with their vocals. Some people show up with their dancing. Shakira, you know, I feel like she was lip syncing the whole time, but who gives a shaker? Dancing was so amazing. You have to lead really strong with one thing if you're gonna be like sort of a stripped back type of performer. And I didn't feel like she was leading with much for her.
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It's that song.
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Yeah. And it was kind of crazy because like Sabrina was right after. And Sabrina was firing on all cinder cylinders. 10 out of 10, wardrobe, set design, hair, vocals, choreography, tap dancing, feathers, like everything. And then it was like Billie Eilish in a field in her basketball shorts. It was just like.
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Yeah, it's good that Billie went first is all I was saying.
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So I think we've already started. But should we dive into our first.
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Thank you, Claudia.
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B
You're welcome.
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A
First up, Grammys recap. We will start with the big winners and probably branch off into performances from there. Sounds good.
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Yeah.
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So first up was best pop vocal album, which was the stacked category that would perhaps set the tone for album of the year.
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So many of the nominees were Billy was there, Taylor was there, Sabrina was there.
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And Sabrina won, which I was so happy. And I think that it was the best pop vocal album of the year. Like, it so felt right. It was right after her performance, which was so amazing. She showed the room what Briners about, what Briners have been about and what you all had been sleeping on in the industry. Those people sitting those boxes should be ashamed.
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B
Yeah. And she already showed up to the awards as a Grammy winner because she won like one of the non televised ones which was probably just such a good feeling for espresso. So going in like, you know, no pressure. She looked, her red carpet look was by far my favorite. She looked such a vision and like of course she looked insane. The dress was pretty. Like everything worked but it's so cohesive. Like everything she does. I mean, her red carpet dress really like matched the vibes of her performance and it overall matches her vibe of everything. Like this very feathery old Hollywood feminine. Like I love that she's so like specific with her aesthetic and she doesn't really stray from that while also not being boring.
- [22:00]
A
Like some people have like a specific look that they have and then you can predict what going to wear on every carpet and while you can like predict the vibe that she's going to put out with her hair makeup will be like, it is so exciting to see what she does every time. And that's hard to nail.
- [22:14]
B
So I thought she just looked absolutely radiant on the red carpet when she won. I was so happy for her. And yes, like she stunted on every hoe in that room. Like that performance was really. And you know, these are songs she's performed 100 times and she tried. She like, I like that she did something different while not really straying from the original form of the song. I just. I loved every minute of it. The tap dancing, Like, I was just blown away. The burlesque, feathered, bejeweled, like, everything. She's just such a star. I love her.
- [22:43]
A
Love, love, love. She could tell. She was so surprised.
- [22:48]
B
Yes, of course.
- [22:49]
A
Her speech was very, like, party and professional and, you know, thanking, thankful, and that was it. I thought it was a really great night for her. But then what was surprising to me was, like, I felt like her performance was 10 out of 10. And, like, you know, usually the rest would kind of, like, fall off from there. But I thought the rest of the performers were really strong, like Chapel Roan, obviously. You know, she's not, like, my girl, but great performance.
- [23:10]
B
And that song is so good. I agree. The. The theme of, like, clown rodeo. I wasn't, like, 100, like, understanding Christmas Chap.
- [23:17]
A
And, like, the more. The more I see Lady Gaga, the more Chapel Roan makes sense to me. Like, these are, like, the artists. You know, Gaga's gonna gag. Like, I'm not gonna question it.
- [23:28]
B
She was being very.
- [23:29]
A
So crazy. Like, when she was singing, she was.
- [23:31]
B
Being so crazy with Bruno Marsh.
- [23:33]
A
She was singing her song, and I love that song, and I love the two of them, and I love Lady Gaga's music. Like, she is so crazy. And, like, stop trying to fight it. Stop trying to make sense and want her to act like a normal person. Like, no, she's a creative. Let her be. And I feel that way about Chapel Room, too. Like, Chapel's gonna chap.
- [23:48]
B
I feel like we have stopped asking Lady Gaga to be normal. Like, we get it now, but we're sort of putting all those questions we once asked Lady Gaga, we're putting them onto Chap. And you're right.
- [23:55]
A
No, she's going to be art Chapel makes sense to me where it's like, just enjoy the song.
- [24:01]
B
Yeah. The song is what it is. Like, did I understand her red carpet look? Absolutely not, like, not understand any of it?
- [24:08]
A
No. Am I no longer trying to?
- [24:10]
B
Yes, Correct. So. But the thing is, I think that's why we like Sabrina so much. Like, we understand everything she does. And, like, if that were us and we looked like her and we had her talents, like, we would seriously do.
- [24:20]
A
The same thing a thousand percent.
- [24:22]
B
So we see our. We see ourselves in Brainerd.
- [24:24]
A
Yeah. We don't have to not ask hard questions.
- [24:27]
B
Yeah, exactly. We don't have everything just sort of linear. It's all linear when it comes to Brainer.
- [24:34]
A
Next pop duo group performance went to Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars for Die with a Smile. This was actually a stacked category. Us, Gracie Abrams and Taylor, Levi's Jeans, Beyonce and Post Malone, Charlie xx, Billie Eilish and Ari was also nominated. But this song is so beautiful. Like, it's on another level of, like, musicality.
- [24:52]
B
Yeah. And I thought I was, like, the only one who appreciated it, but I'm coming to learn that, like, the song has enormous global success and they just won a Grammy. So, like, this hold that I thought I had on it is not a thing.
- [25:01]
A
No. And one of my favorite Instagram accounts, Lizard P. Woods, posted a really interesting statistic. Statistic. It was all the songs that were nominated for song of the year. She posted how many streams they've gotten on Spotify. And Die with a Smile is number two from all those top songs. Birds of a Feather is number one. Die with a Smile is number two.
- [25:20]
B
Wow. Birds of a Feather.
- [25:21]
A
Yeah. Good luck, babe is number three. Please, Please, Please is number four. Our bar song is number five. Not like us. Kendrick Lamar, which swept in those categories, is number six. Fortnight is number seven, and Texas hold'em is number eight.
- [25:36]
B
Wow. I mean, Taylor leading, like, her categories and nominations with Fortnite, like, she also was for music video. It just really doesn't make sense to me. I actually don't think there's a worse song on ttpd. Like, I really don't like it.
- [25:47]
A
Well, that's classic Taylor. And also, Taylor has never won song of the Year Record of the year. And that, yeah, even though she's one album of the year more times than anyone else.
- [25:56]
B
Crazy.
- [25:57]
A
That's because the singles that she puts forth are bad and the worst on the album, and she's more of an album girl than a song of the year girl. And I think, like, as we talk about Beyonce and, like, the album of the year, her finally getting it, like, some people write fire songs and some people write fire albums.
- [26:12]
B
That's actually a really good point, and you can't be both. And Taylor's kind of proof of that. Even though I do find it shocking that, like, Blank Space wasn't song or record of the year that year. That's, like, the only one of, like, Taylor's lead singles. That is probably one of her best songs and also did the best, like, when you think of, like, Shake It Off. Even though Shake it off also could have been, like, song of the Year.
- [26:30]
A
Honestly, now, I would say so, but at the time, I wouldn't have said so. This has been, like, a relatively new thing, I would say, since Red are the worst songs. The singles, it's just pretty much like Love Story, you Belong With Me. Those are the best off of Fearless.
- [26:46]
B
Yeah, yeah. But it's like a thing about Taylor and that's why people who don't spend time listening to Taylor, all they know is like the radio hits, which are just like very kind of built for radio. They're very strategic and that's why they are so popular. But they're not her best songwriting and so they think that her. Her abilities are just shake it off. Like.
- [27:04]
A
Yeah. And that's so much more than that. Fans can't agree on the best songs because we've all sort of gone on our own journeys in search of the best songs. Because she has.
- [27:11]
B
There are also just so many.
- [27:12]
A
She hasn't been fourth.
- [27:13]
B
Yeah, she's put them fourth.
- [27:15]
A
Right. Like Getaway Car. She never put that fourth.
- [27:18]
B
That was a mistake.
- [27:19]
A
Even Cruel Summer never put fourth and only had its renaissance for the level.
- [27:23]
B
Summer put itself forth.
- [27:27]
A
Anyways, then. Okay, next best pop solo performance went to Espresso Sabrina, which was a chubby, non televised best new artist Stacked. And that medley everyone performed, everyone was so good. Benson Boone, Sabrina Do Chi, Crunching Bin. I didn't see that.
- [27:45]
B
Yeah, that was like kind of the only part of the award ceremony I didn't understand in its entirety. Crumsy.
- [27:50]
A
What was that?
- [27:51]
B
Like the band. That guy like with the bangs and that like band of people.
- [27:55]
A
Okay, that's what that was.
- [27:56]
B
Okay, yeah, that was confusing. But that medley was so party. I don't even know what my favorite part was. And it was very hard on Friday on Benson Boone and he was amazing.
- [28:05]
A
He was amazing. My favorite part was Shabuzzi, who was amazing and show them all why he is shaboozy and why I stay standing. But also Teddy Swims was amazing.
- [28:14]
B
Okay, so to Shibuzzi's point, I want to say like, you were. You have been so right about Shibuzzi since day one. Like, I just can tell. Also, he's like a very kind soul. Like when he talks on interviews. Like, his outfit was so cute. Like, I just love him. I loved that song he played before. He obviously had to play bar song. Good news, I added it to my liked songs last night. Like I. You were. You've been so right about your music from day one. Just good for you, honestly, for seeing that. I know this is an original thought. Oh my God, I love Teddy Swims. And Ben thought it was jelly roll. Like classic. I love Teddy Swims. I love that song. And I Know, he's so sick of singing it.
- [28:52]
A
Yeah.
- [28:53]
B
But it's. It's amazing. And you know what? No one's making music like that, which is why he stands out so much. I don't know if he. I don't think he should have won. You know, compared to, like. It's also weird how, like, Chapel wasn't a part of the medley.
- [29:04]
A
Neither was Greener, right?
- [29:08]
B
Oh, yeah, yeah. But they all won other things individually.
- [29:11]
A
And they were nominated, like, for big categories. That's why they had their own performances. But Chapel 1, which was fair, you.
- [29:18]
B
Know, like a thousand percent. And you knew she was gonna get on her soapbox about something. I wasn't expecting health care, but yeah, pop off.
- [29:25]
A
That feels right. Like, people who have worked for you.
- [29:27]
B
Should have health care 1000%.
- [29:30]
A
So go off chap.
- [29:32]
B
Go off chat with her notebook, which was so Jackie O Coded of her. No, it was nice to see people, like, either don't write anything down, which is fine, or they come up with their phones, which I fudgeing hate, so. Sure. Get your leather bound notebook. I love that.
- [29:47]
A
Be prepared.
- [29:48]
B
Yeah. She knew she was going to win something.
- [29:51]
A
Yeah. Something that would. Yeah, she was nominated for a lot then. Song of the year, Stacked category, as we've said, went to Not Like Us by Kendrick Lamar.
- [30:00]
B
And as did Record of the Year.
- [30:01]
A
As did Record of the Year. So I turned off after Song of the Hour, so I didn't see that he won both categories, which, considering the other songs were so strong, of course I feel like this is a disappointment, but I know that this song is, like, massive with people. It's like the diss track and Drake and the Lore and, like, it's a really good song in its category and so, like, it deserves to win. Obviously it was not my song nor Record of the Year.
- [30:22]
B
Right. So it's important to take yourself out of the category sometimes.
- [30:26]
A
Like, I feel as though so many of these songs, like, were so obviously the song or record of the year, whether or not they were mine. So it's like it was one that I couldn't even see. But okay, I don't.
- [30:37]
B
I don't take any umbrage with this. Was it my song of the year? No. But can I respect that? It was a lot of people's song of the Year and, like, how it entered so many different parts of culture. Yes. I can also like the lore. I mean, like, how unfortunate for Drake that, like, the diss track somebody wrote about you literally won Grammy for Record of the Year. Like, that's embarrassing. He wore a Canadian tuxedo. Kendrick Lamar, like, I admire his commitment to disliking his enemy. Like, that is something that I find admirable. And that's something you see a lot in men. You know, it's kind of like a girly thing to do to hate your enemy and, like, hold a grudge. So I really respect that. I do in a proof in a profound way. So I'm not mad. It wasn't what I was expecting because I think I probably would have said Sabrina or Chap.
- [31:19]
A
Yeah. Or honestly, especially seeing those streaming numbers, Billie Eilish. Because one, I don't know which one's which, but one song of the year is about how the song is written. Like, the musical perfection and production. The production. I think that's maybe song that's record.
- [31:34]
B
That I think that's record.
- [31:36]
A
Okay. And then the other one is about popularity. What was success? Song of the year. And I do think Birds of a feather or Espresso were the songs of the year. But I'm like, I'm not that mad about it.
- [31:48]
B
I agree. And this is where, like, while I found the Weeknd's, like, public tantrum to be really lame and embarrassing, I do understand how frustrating it must be for there to be, like, no criteria for these awards. And, like, there are all these rumors, you know, they say you have to sell X amount. They say you have to do this. But there really is no way of knowing what qualifies a song and what disqualifies the song. So that frustration and lack of transparency, what they were talking about, like, I. I agree that's definitely annoying. I don't know if it's enough to, like, boycott the affair, but because for this, like, I don't necessarily understand, it wasn't the most streamed song.
- [32:24]
A
Is that why they kept saying the 13, 000 voting members?
- [32:27]
B
I think so. Like, they wanted us to know. That's them being transparent.
- [32:31]
A
Okay. I do feel like they vote and that's what it is. They don't just, like, give it to people based on who's coming because everyone comes.
- [32:38]
B
Agreed.
- [32:39]
A
But maybe those voting members, like, do feel swayed in one way or another. Like, based on gender.
- [32:45]
B
No, I'm kidding.
- [32:45]
A
Based on a million different things. Based on Jay Z yelling at them last year. I don't know.
- [32:49]
B
Right. Well, so when we get to album of the year, I do want to talk about that.
- [32:52]
A
Next is album of the year. And also must be said that country album of the year went to Beyonce Cowboy Carter. So then it Was like very clear it's going to be between like her and Sabrina. Sabrina. Because if you won one, you would have to win the other.
- [33:04]
B
And album also notable notable is that she won some, I think one or two off air Grammys, but Charli XCX did not pick up any Grammys on TV last night. Did you have any of the major categories?
- [33:17]
A
No, I haven't had a chance to yet. And I'm so curious how it was because I've been really hard on her and I wanted to know like how she did. I'll watch it.
- [33:24]
B
I saw various clips and I know that there was like lots of underwear being thrown around. I don't know that it was like, you know, for you.
- [33:33]
A
I will watch it with an open mind.
- [33:35]
B
Okay. But album of the year. Yes. This was kind of always the big category. This was so stacked between Sabrina Chap, Billie Eilish Taylor, the Beatles brat. Right. So, yes, it became increasingly clear over the night, over the course of the night that it was either going to be Beyonce or Sabrina because they both won there. I don't know how you could have the best country album and then that album is nominated. You know what I mean?
- [33:59]
A
Like, no. Or how like Taylor could win when she didn't win best pop vocal against Sabrina. So. Yes.
- [34:04]
B
So Sabrina kind of disqualified all the girls when she won that pop vocal. And then. And then Beyonce put herself in the race when she won. And Beyonce's reaction to winning country album was so hysterical. I think she sat in her chair three seconds before she was not expecting to win. And why did they stop, like putting the camera on everybody's faces when they announced the winner? Do you know what I mean? They used to like have a camera face of every nominee. I love that they didn't do that. Okay. Lame.
- [34:28]
A
Yeah, they showed people, but I don't.
- [34:30]
B
Know, not in an organized fashion.
- [34:32]
A
Yeah.
- [34:33]
B
So her reaction was hysterical. Blue Ivy was like, get the hell up. And you could tell she was really shocked. I was shocked, I'm not gonna lie. Because it was a really. First of all, this is a country album that's been like very highly contested by the country community. Like, she actually.
- [34:48]
A
It wasn't nominated for one. Cma.
- [34:50]
B
Cma. So that's really kind of shocking. And then for it to go on and win album of the year was really shocking. Now I feel this way about so many award shows that Beyonce's either attending, performing, or just like a part. The way that other people. I think I said this before. The way that other artists other. The Host who we have to talk about. The way they talk about Beyonce is so weird to me. Like, when Miley was giving the award to Bruno and Lady Gaga for a duo, pop, whatever, and she opened the envelope, and before she read it, she was like, I'm gonna say it's Beyonce, even if it's not like this. It borders. Everybody in the room respects Beyonce so much. And I think that a couple of years ago, they took it to a point that's almost now inappropriate, where it's not like a reverence, it's an obsession.
- [35:33]
A
It's like idolatry. And I feel like it does circle back to that, like, conspiracy theory that people were saying that people always.
- [35:40]
B
That's why the conspiracy theory became so popular, because the way people talk about Beyonce is actually not normal like her. Her peers.
- [35:48]
A
And maybe I'm a Miley apologist. Though I do feel like Miley actually genuinely loves her. They are for sure friends. They did collab, like, she's been talking about. I just want to say she was talking about Beyonce like that before. Everyone was so just like.
- [35:59]
B
But Trevor, Noah. Noah in the monologue, standing in front of, like, the biggest artists in the world and just talking about how we like Beyonce. Like, I think that a lot of people have.
- [36:09]
A
So that it would have been weird if she didn't win album of the year because of, like, how he set it up in the beginning. Yeah, no.
- [36:15]
B
And it's like, this is a special night for everyone involved, including Beyonce, but also, like, the first time artists nominated people from different genres. And I just feel like so many times these award shows feel like Beyonce's bat mitzvah. Not. Not. And by the way, not because of anything Beyonce does, because of the way people act around her. And it actually feels like not a level playing field.
- [36:34]
A
Yeah, I agree. Because I think you could say the same thing about Taylor. Sometimes it gets like, that's the Taylor's bat mitzvah.
- [36:41]
B
Yeah. But I think a lot of times it feels like Taylor's about mitzvah because she acts like it's her mom, so she's, like, dancing and stuff. Like, not because everyone around her is acting that way. Do you know what? Yeah, I think because she's sort of the main character of her own life, and she's just always having fun. She caught the jacket, like, that sort of attention. Like, just she. Like, it kind of follows her around. Whereas I feel like everybody acts really weird about. Around Beyonce.
- [37:01]
A
It's true. Beyonce's just sitting there. Like, she's just sitting there like trying to enjoy her night with her family.
- [37:06]
B
I actually think she doesn't like it. It's weird. And it's like, it's, it's so much attention when like, even in that moment, the attention should have been on someone else. Like if she wins, obviously like the attention's on Beyonce, but people are just like always like Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars won and it was like a Beyonce thing. I'm sure Beyonce was actually horrified.
- [37:22]
A
Yeah, it was weird.
- [37:23]
B
And no shade to Miley. Like, I love Miley. I just think it's indicative of like people always are acting so weird.
- [37:30]
A
I don't know, I feel like if she really like hated it so much, like it would get out there and people wouldn't do it. And, and now I think about the theory like that people are just not Miley. Miley is separate case, but like people do that to make themselves as safe.
- [37:43]
B
Now the Beyonce thing also now it's obviously not her problem, but it is really crazy that she showed up with her husband. And I guess as like a community, we're just like moving past the MeToo movement. Like we just are done with that.
- [37:57]
A
I think we're picking and choosing. Right.
- [37:58]
B
Because there was a time like that if a man who was accused of trigger warning raping a 13 year old showed up to an award show, nobody would be dancing with him, nobody would be high fiving him like it was. It's probably one of the most egregious allegations I've ever heard. And it's fairly new, so I have a hard time like seriously looking at him. It's so crazy to me and everyone. It's like totally normal. And this is like, you know, with the P. Diddy stuff all coming out, like I would think people would be like a little bit more.
- [38:28]
A
Yeah, well, it's full of like unscrupuled people who until like Jay Z is finished, like they are still gonna like hobnobbin, hobnob and kiss ass to whoever they think. Like that's just who these people are. So trying to find like, you know, your morality in the crowd. Like it's not gonna happen. That's.
- [38:45]
B
I know. It just very jarring.
- [38:47]
A
So jarrings.
- [38:48]
B
Enjoy the jarring to see, like, I can't. It's like it's really a jump scare.
- [38:51]
A
Yeah. And I think you said on Friday that like people wouldn't no longer like be intimidated by Jay Z into like doing what he. Like last year when he was like, how is my wife never won album of the year. She's the most awarded woman. That makes no sense. And I was like, I think she'll win this year, like, because of that. And you said, no. Like, Jay Z doesn't have that power anymore. Like, I think he's still very much does. Because Cowboy Carter was not the album of the year.
- [39:11]
B
No, it wasn't. And does it. I imagine it hits different to win the award, like, after the year before. Like, your husband, like, throw a tangent.
- [39:16]
A
And it's also. It's like when Leonardo Fabio won the Oscar for Revenant, and it's like, no, he deserved it for Titanic.
- [39:21]
B
Yes, exactly. And there's so much, like, lore around it. He probably didn't even want it at this point. It's, like, embarrassing, you know, like, yeah.
- [39:27]
A
No, I get it for, like, the thing that you actually don't really deserve it for. It's like, but you. And you were worthy other times.
- [39:33]
B
It's just many times.
- [39:36]
A
I don't know. I mean, it's still nice to just get. And I. I do think the Oscars are also cumulative. Like, it's about a person's, like, body of work. I think we've, like, learned that on this show before, but which also doesn't make sense when they give it to someone random who's in one thing one time, and we never hear about them again. But sure, this was not the time to win album of the year.
- [39:57]
B
No, I think the Leonardo DiCaprio comparison is a perfect one, because these are two people who, like, got to a point in their careers, and we're all looking around being like, how. How have they been stumped for album of the year so many times? And then they get it, and it's like, well, good. They deserve to have that award in there in their artillery, but not for this particular work. Cowboy Carter was not the album of the year. When you think about albums as a whole body of work that, like, took the culture by storm, There were just others that did it bigger and better.
- [40:22]
A
You could see it in the streams. Even Brat got more streams than Cowboy Carter.
- [40:28]
B
Yeah. And the thing is, like, even though I didn't think Brat should win, I could have made an argument for most of the nominees. Not the Beatles. Yeah. But I could have made an argument for, like, different albums to have won. And I don't have an argument for Cowboy Carter.
- [40:42]
A
Yeah.
- [40:42]
B
So. And I just want to say it's probably the most I've listened to any Beyonce album because I love country music. So.
- [40:48]
A
Yeah.
- [40:49]
B
It's not that I don't think it was good I'm just talking about how it was perceived and how it was received by everyone.
- [40:54]
A
Right. And just because she's never won it before, like, didn't. It would be like, if everyone was up in arms, that Taylor never won Song of the Year, so she thinks she won Song of the Year for Fortnite. Like, that was not the song of the Year and it wouldn't.
- [41:03]
B
Right.
- [41:03]
A
Be deserving of it. And you want to correct an old error, don't now air someone else, because someone else in this category in a few years will never have one album of the year. It's like, oh, well, they should have won that year.
- [41:11]
B
But. Exactly. It's so true. Because if they didn't give it to back, Beyonce would have it.
- [41:16]
A
Right. And why did they give it to back? Because he was like the single sole songwriter that was. It was like every song was, like, written, produced, everything by back. And then you look at Beyonce's album and it's like a million people.
- [41:27]
B
Who cares?
- [41:28]
A
I don't care how many people. Like, was it the best album? Was it good?
- [41:30]
B
Yeah. I want to talk about Trevor Noah and how it's time to retire, like, from this particular line of work. He was so unfunny and so unnecessary because every time he showed up, he was just introducing an introducer.
- [41:43]
A
Yeah. Yeah.
- [41:44]
B
So I really felt like he was so unnecessary, like, just being there. His jokes were not funny at all. He didn't even, like, try to push the envelope in any way.
- [41:53]
A
Was he even making jokes? I didn't hear jokes. It was just like a lot of, like, telethon, which, by the way, I.
- [41:59]
B
Think if you were in the room, if it was like an in person event, his, like, pushiness with the telethon and the QR code, like, that's funny and that's what you're hired for. But the people in the arena are 1-80th of the people watching. Like, you're not performing for the people in the arena. You're performing for the people at home. And it was just not translating at all. And I don't know if we're all just collectively like, we. The bar has been raised in a significant way by Nikki Glaser. Like, or. Or he was just particularly awful, but he was really not entertaining in any way.
- [42:27]
A
Yes. But also something about the Golden Globes. Like, I feel like the people in the room need to be roasted.
- [42:33]
B
Yeah.
- [42:33]
A
I don't feel that way about the Grammys. I don't think it needs to be a roast. Like, these are no, like, me Neither. So I didn't need that.
- [42:39]
B
But you were still funny.
- [42:40]
A
But like there are so many funny. Like just things to say, harmless jokes to be made.
- [42:46]
B
No, you can be funny and poke fun without roasting a group of people. I agree. That's not the vibe. Like Golden Globes. It's so hoity toity. That's why they love to poke fun at like Hollywood elite. Grammys is like a lot of real people from all different walks of life, all different genres. It doesn't need to be. I completely agree. Speaking of, I want to talk about Dochi whom I was a little familiar with from TikTok, but I don't listen to a lot of rap music. But I know that she's like the up and coming, like big hot thing. So when it came time for her to win her award, I had a pretty good feeling that she was going to win. And I was so pleasantly like surprised by her, I didn't know what to expect. So when she came up and was brought her mom, which I thought was so sweet, and she was just talking about how she loves Tampa, her hometown and how she like gives. Gives all the credit to her sobriety. Like, she was just not what I was expecting. I thought she was so lovely. And then her performance I was like actually really sat for because I was like, oh, she's, you know, got a little something going on and it was so different. I don't know what I was expecting but like everyone in the school uniforms through the choreography, like, I really loved it. I thought she was fabulous.
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A
I loved it too. I didn't know who she was until I read her name on Friday that she was going to be one of the performers. And I was very impressed. Very impressive. Yeah, it was a great performance.
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B
Yeah. And she just seems like she's a really good head on her shoulders too.
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A
I liked a lot of the speeches, actually. They were just. They were very professional. Like very thankful. Stayed like, yeah, hard on message and.
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B
Yeah, her message being like, you know, because she clearly got to where she is like just by sheer talent. Right. Being discovered in Tampa, which like isn't like a hub of. But she was saying no, like it really is like such an artistic town. Record labels come down. She took that opportunity to like lift up her community and I found that really admirable. I don't think a lot of people would do that. So I just like, I just like her now.
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A
Yeah, I agree. She gave a good impression.
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B
Other performances worth discussing. Shakira was kind of amazing. Like, I like that song. And she's such a good dancer. And it's like kind of. It's like her stick, her party trick. That doesn't get old.
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A
The belly dance.
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B
It is really crazy. She could roll her belly like that.
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A
Yeah, it's. And it's like, can you learn to do that or is that just something you're bored born with?
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B
I think it's a little bit of both. It's definitely a God.
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A
It's something you can hone. Maybe it's like singing. Like, you definitely have the. The natural talent, but you can perfect it.
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B
Gaga and Bruno sang a cover for what purpose?
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A
It wasn't a tribute for California.
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B
Oh, right. California. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, Got it. Okay.
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A
Anyone else?
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B
Definitely red carpet looks that I loved. Kelsey Ballerini. I thought she looked so pargy. She always. She. She never looks bad, but, like, I feel like she stepped it up a notch. Like with her hair, her Gl Glam, the jacket. I really loved it. Sabrina was one of my favorites. Taylor's look, it was very Taylor.
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A
Like, not entirely perfect. Perfect. Like, no, but she looked perfect. Her hair was like, completely like, in her makeup, it was much better than last year, but just like, not like. I just feel like people always just want to do like a little bit.
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B
More with her, but high fashion. It was cute. I thought it was cute. I don't. I think she knew it wasn't going to be like her. Some nights she goes and it's like she knows she's gonna win every single award. Folklore was her year. Midnight's was here. I think she knew like, a. Because other categories were so stacked and be like, TTBD was amazing, but I don't think it had the cultural impact that some of her previous albums had. So I think she really went for fun. And her dress was like that of a girl who was there for fun. I thought the red was a really cute nod to Travie and the Super Bowl. And the tea on her thigh was so cute.
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A
I actually think that if she swapped this year's look in last year's look, it might have made a little more sense because last, like, this red look was like very Travvy, but also midnights, like, with the sparkles.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then this year she would be going like, in tribute. Now I know she's always forward thinking and showing us what's next, but, like, this was the year of ttpd and this is when I would have wanted to see her in that outfit and it would have made sense to me.
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B
Yeah. I think in the future. We will look at the year she wore the TTPD outfit and just assume it was the year she was nominated.
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A
For TTPD and it was the year she announced ttpd. And then also, were you getting any, like, subliminal messages from this outfit? She obviously wore the tee was mitten mine on my upper thigh, blah, blah, blah.
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B
Yeah. Which was I wasn't getting cute.
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A
I like that as a bit of joy. Like, I like that as a trend.
- [46:53]
B
Yeah. Like a thigh chain. I never heard of it, but I like it.
- [46:57]
A
Were you not getting any reputation vibes?
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B
No. Red is not right. Like, reputations. Like, I guess, like black and red.
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A
There was something like reading rep. Oh, okay.
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B
God love that. Reading rap. Like the blood, by the way, the.
- [47:12]
A
Stones on the chain. Like blood. Like, very rep. Oh, like blood drops, right?
- [47:18]
B
No. And maybe I saw people saying it's rep, but everybody's just, like, looking for what they want to see. You know, you're creating the theory that you wish to see in the world.
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A
Yeah.
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B
There was also a lot of girlies there, like, with beef. And I was very interested to see how, like, the Olivia Rodrigo of it all would play out. Now, let me say this. I thought Olivia Rodrigo looked the best she'd ever looked.
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A
I completely agree.
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B
Something about, I don't know, she didn't do anything different and the address wasn't so, like, crazy. But she looks very mature. And remember I was saying she needs to chop her hair because it's giving, like, 8th grade long hair. She was able to circumvent that 8th grade look last night, even though she kept her long hair. I thought she looked, like, absolutely radiant. I loved the dress.
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A
I thought so, too. She looked truly beautiful.
- [47:56]
B
And it was just like. It must have been hard for her to, like, walk in when it's like, you know, Taylor and Sabrina, they're at their table. Jack Antonoff. He. Gracie Abrams, Margaret Quailey. It's like their girl gang crew. And she has beef with Taylor and she has beef with Breener.
- [48:07]
A
Yes. But I do feel like then. So on that side, she's very close with Chapel Roan. Who? I could see Chapel. Not even though there was some. Oh, Chapel. Rune's dancer was Taylor Swift's dancer, Cam Sanders. With having beef. Anyone else not having beef?
- [48:22]
B
I could see Chapel Roan hating Taylor because Chapel Roan is like, the communist pop star and Taylor Swift is like the capitalist pop star. Like, literally, one is Karl Marx and one is Winston Churchill. Like, they just. They wouldn't see eye to eye on anything.
- [48:35]
A
Yeah. I could just see her being about that and then don't forget, like, Billie Eilish has run her mouth. So I actually feel like Olivia Rodrigo might have some.
- [48:43]
B
Some allies in the audience. Enemies, by the way, Charlie.
- [48:47]
A
Enemies are her friends. Charlie.
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B
Charlie.
- [48:49]
A
Gabriette. I know Gabriette was there.
- [48:53]
B
A lot of people have run their mouths about Taylor. It's true. It's kind of like a thing people do for fun. So Olivia Rodrigo could find a port in that storm if she wanted to.
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A
I'm just saying, like, maybe there were more people that she felt comfortable and she brought her man. She was okay.
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B
And I saw a video of, like, in the background. You could see Olivia going up to Sabrina and giving her a hug, which I found to be so crazy. Like, if I was Sabrina, I'd be like, get off me 100%.
- [49:15]
A
Like, in that situation, Sabrina will never forgive.
- [49:18]
B
And she shouldn't because she wants to forgive you and she wants to forget you.
- [49:21]
A
Yeah. No, she was seriously burned. That's like Kim forgiving Taylor. Like, nobody asked. Taylor has to forgive you.
- [49:28]
B
Right.
- [49:29]
A
Kim's like, I'm over it.
- [49:31]
B
Are we missing anything else to cover?
- [49:34]
A
There was one thing that I was just like, we had to talk about. I feel like it had to do with tailored, but it's evaded me. So I think we can move on from the Grammys 2025 in the books.
- [49:49]
B
I will say I. I would give the first, like, 50 of the Grammys, like, a true 10 out of 10. I was enjoying every minute. Although I don't think they did a good job of like, getting people's reactions in the crowd. Like, we got very little, like, footage of just, like, random things. But the second half was truly dreadful. Like, I think they need to be punished for abusing our time like that. There's no reason an award show ends past 11 and it was 11:15 and the major. Three out of four of the major awards hadn't been given out yet. Like, I feel like it was really disgraceful.
- [50:12]
A
A lot a longer time slot than usual. They're like, okay, guys always go over. So, like, we'll give you four and.
- [50:17]
B
A half hours and it's a telethon.
- [50:19]
A
I think it's better when it's like, you're feeling rushed towards the end, but, like, leave us wanting more.
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B
Yes.
- [50:25]
A
They did not do that.
- [50:26]
B
No.
- [50:27]
A
Our next story actually will be a little bit of Grammys adjacent news because Beyonce has announced her Cowboy Carter tour. So this was the news that Beyonce was going to announce, but then she postponed the announcement of the announcement fires. And the announcement is that she is going on a 2025 Cowboy Carter tour. So she.
- [50:44]
B
The announcement has been announced?
- [50:46]
A
Yes. She confirmed an Instagram post on her Instagram after the Grammys that she'll be heading out on tour to la, Chicago, London, New York, Paris, dc, Atlanta, Las Vegas and Houston. So this seems like a small tour, no? Or am I missing something?
- [50:59]
B
No, it's definitely a small tour. I think that she just finished Renaissance. Like, maybe she. And also I think comparatively, Cowboy Carter is not her biggest album, so it wouldn't garner the biggest tour.
- [51:10]
A
Yeah, but still she's Beyonce. Like, she's going to what, 10 major cities?
- [51:14]
B
So maybe she's just tired. Like.
- [51:16]
A
Yeah. I don't know. Or maybe she. I feel like she might be doing it in like a. What kind of venues? We don't. Or she'll do more.
- [51:22]
B
Or she'll do more. Like, you and I announce a little bit at a time.
- [51:25]
A
Right. I know I'm like, I'm here for it. But we're just so used to like a global world tour. And like, this seems very intentional.
- [51:32]
B
And I just want to say, depending on the time, I feel like I want to go.
- [51:35]
A
Yeah, I'm sure I take a lot of.
- [51:37]
B
About everything, but I happen to really like Cowboy Carter, the album. Yeah, no, like, it's the most I've listened to a. Actually that's not true, but because I've.
- [51:46]
A
Listened to even ttpd. Like, you love that album. It was your whole year. You've not once said it was snubbed. Snubbed?
- [51:52]
B
No, I don't think it was snubbed. I think that I love her and it was the album I probably listened to the most. But if I were to say which album really deserved it in terms of streams and overall cultural impact, it would have been short and sweet.
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A
Yeah. So I'm just saying, like, you can be like non biased even though you're favorite. Like.
- [52:09]
B
Yes. No, I'm definitely. I think I'm Especially with this year in particular because, like, obviously I always want Taylor to win. Some years I think she. Like, it's required that she wins. And some years not so much. And I didn't think this was a year and that's a knock. I think TTBD is seriously the best album of all time. I fudgeing. Love it.
- [52:23]
A
Yeah.
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B
Comparatively to other works and their impact. I don't know.
- [52:27]
A
Yeah. So anyways, Beyonce's going on tour. Cowboy Carter, that was the announcement that she was waiting to announce.
- [52:33]
B
I really liked the artwork. I'm into the bleached eyebrows.
- [52:36]
A
Well, I will always be into bleach eyebrows because I feel seen.
- [52:40]
B
Did you see Beyonce's underwire coming out of her last night? People could not get over that.
- [52:45]
A
I. I just assumed it was, like, part of the dress. But no, like, she's seriously being stabbed by her own dress.
- [52:50]
B
I mean, we've all been there wearing our bras to fucking filth. So much so that the material gives out and the underwire pops out, and you, like, get a knife in your boob, and you're like, what is that? Oh, and it's an actual needle poking in to your rest.
- [53:01]
A
Yeah, it didn't come up when she was on stage. Right. I'm seeing it, like, backstage.
- [53:06]
B
I saw it when she was sitting. No, no, when that. That moment that went viral when she won country album of the year. And she's, like, completely shocked, literally, the underwire in between her boobs, both of them is popping out.
- [53:16]
A
Oh, that's so interesting, because right under it is, like, a little bow of sorts, like, a little embellishment. So I was like, maybe it's like the strings on top of the bow. Like, I would have just assumed it was a style choice until you said that.
- [53:26]
B
I think Beyonce was very flustered, like, the way even, because her reaction. I think she got there maybe, like, a little late, and she was just, like, flustered. She was a little all over the place when she won country album.
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A
She was late because Trevor Noah said she can arrive whenever she wants. Once.
- [53:37]
B
Right. Her underwire was popping out. Like, I think she was just, like, a little frazzled.
- [53:41]
A
Got it. Okay. Well, out.
- [53:44]
B
The funniest is Blue Ivy's face. She's like, okay, girl, get up. You've won a million Grammys before. Why are you being dramatic?
- [53:49]
A
Like, I feel like she wasn't listening because she was just like.
- [53:52]
B
No, she was flustered, too. She got there three seconds before they said her name. Like, she almost missed it. She probably didn't think she was gonna win. I don't even know if she knew it was her award. Yeah, she was so flustered. And Blue Ivy's like, girl, get up. Like.
- [54:04]
A
Like, yeah, you're on tv. But because she was the only country award nominated from album of the year, she therefore already won country album of the year now.
- [54:13]
B
Correct. Oh, what I was really good point.
- [54:15]
A
The one other note I needed to make about the Grammys is that Architect by Casey Musgraves one Country song of the year. And so, for me, that Was everything as it was the country song of the year to me.
- [54:27]
B
I agree.
- [54:27]
A
And it's the Grammys13,000 voting members respecting par genus.
- [54:31]
B
I was really surprised at Casey Musgrave's outfit because she's such, like, a red carpet slay. Like, she always crushes it. And for her to show up in a tank top, I was really surprised.
- [54:41]
A
Oh, yeah. Like, not my favorite either.
- [54:43]
B
And I don't care if the tank tops Ralph Lauren. Like, ugly's ugly.
- [54:46]
A
Yeah.
- [54:47]
B
She always. She always kills it with, like, the country twang. Like, it's. It's never, like, overtly, like, campy. It's always got a little country in it. She always kills it.
- [54:57]
A
Yeah. But the deeper. Well, aesthetic is very stripped back. I'm shocked she wasn't wearing the, you know, the thing in her hair. Babushka.
- [55:05]
B
Yeah. I found a deeper. Well, I liked what Lainey Wilson was wearing, just, like, that black tuck suit with her hat.
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A
Lainey Wilson, I just want to say, is growing on me.
- [55:16]
B
By the way, I love her. And I. I just. To be clear, I have always loved her. That doesn't mean you can't be critical of, like, people you love winning awards that you don't think that they deserve.
- [55:25]
A
Yeah.
- [55:25]
B
I mean, when she was in. She was amazing in Yellowstone. Her music is so good. She performs. She's never performed badly. Her tribute last night, like, she was amazing.
- [55:33]
A
It's just surprising to me is, like, why does Lainey Wilson get tapped for that tribute? Like, she's always. Well, because she was.
- [55:40]
B
She was nominated. So they were obviously looking for, like, a woman in country. So it was what, her or Casey Musgraves.
- [55:45]
A
Right. I'm just. What surprises me about her is that, like, she gets all these huge opportunities for me. Like, she seems like she's been around five minutes. Like, Kelsey Ballerini is there. Like, you could write something. So I'm just like, why is it always her? But taking that out of the equation, like, she's saying she was so good last night. And, like, I think she really showed up for country music. And she is very authentically country. And, like, yeah, I'm gonna start my Lainey Wilson, like, re education of myself.
- [56:07]
B
Because Greece and Hang tight, honey.
- [56:10]
A
Yeah. No, even four by four by you.
- [56:13]
B
I actually hate that.
- [56:14]
A
I don't love the song, but every time they play a clip of it, like, because she's always nominated for it, I'm like, that's Pargie. Okay.
- [56:20]
B
She's really talented.
- [56:22]
A
I listened to the two songs you told me To.
- [56:24]
B
Did you like them?
- [56:25]
A
They weren't enough to get me on the train, but I think I will listen to her album because after CMA's, I listened to Cody Johnson like I said I would, and I had heretofore been asleep on Cody Johnson.
- [56:37]
B
She's putting in the work.
- [56:39]
A
Cody Johnson is really good. Yeah. Okay, now to our next story. Actually, a little more Grammys adjacent news, because this was the craziest thing that.
- [56:48]
B
Happened is this story number three.
- [56:49]
A
Khloe Kardashian blasts 2025 reporters for cutting Babyface interviews short to talk to Chapel Roan.
- [56:55]
B
I am so glad we're talking about this, because I meant to bring it up. And we need to name shame and blame these two abhorrent, disrespectful, shameful journalists who work for the Associated Press.
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A
Yes. So two women who work for the Associated Press were doing red carpet interviews. They were talking to Baby Face, doing an interview with him, and one of them saw Chapel Roanoke passing by and literally, like, screams Chapel as Baby Face is talking and brings her over. And he was like, oh, okay. And starts walking by, and they're like, yeah, sorry.
- [57:27]
B
And, yeah, he was just like, oh, okay.
- [57:29]
A
Bye, Chapel Roan. Yeah.
- [57:31]
B
I was so horrified when I saw that. It's such a bad look for literally everyone involved. And I don't think Chapel knew exactly that. Like, you know, I don't think actually kicked off.
- [57:42]
A
This was no mark on Chapel for me.
- [57:44]
B
Holy. Like, I had such a visceral reaction. I don't know why. Maybe it's because, you know, you always have, like, a soft spot for older people. And by the way, as somebody who's done red carpet, like, it's awkward. You'll take an interview and then somebody, like, better passes by, and you, like, kind of need to wrap up. So it's an art, wrapping up while someone's talking without being disrespectful and then grabbing the person you really want to talk to. And if you're not skilled at that, you should not be hosting the Grammys. Red carpet for Associated Press.
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A
No. And for the Associated Press, I do think their listeners and viewers, whichever ones they have, like, would rather hear from Baby Face and hearing from Baby Face, like, know where you're working. They probably don't even know Chapel Roan. And, like, you probably thought, oh, how could I miss this moment with Chapel Rowan, like, best new artist, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, in the grand scheme of things, like, whatever interview you had with Chapel Roan, like, was no big moment. But you snubbing Babyface was so Khloe Kardashian actually put to words, I think, how a lot of people were thinking.
- [58:37]
B
The video went so viral. And I love to see Chloe standing up. We know that they're, like, friendly. I love to see her standing up for her friend. Like, it made me so upset. And I don't even know, like, Babyface music. I'm not like a fan. I thought it was so disgusting.
- [58:51]
A
Well, I think to do this to anyone, for anyone would just be so rude. So it doesn't even matter who it's for and who it's to. Like, there is no person that's more interesting to talk to that you would snub one person then to come to find out someone who's been in this industry for so many years has contributed so much to music. It's not just a random person.
- [59:09]
B
No. And the girl at the end of the stream, I don't know if you saw, she, like apologized. It must have been going viral as their stream and then she, like, got wind of it and she gave, like such a blanket shit apology. Like, I can't even tell you how, like, how visceral, Visceral of a reaction I had to this and how much I thought her apology was a piece of shit. And I. And I literally hate her.
- [59:27]
A
No. Like, everyone is so mad at this person. Like, she's better off having a boring Baby Face interview that nobody talked about than this chap. Like, yeah. Anyways, Chloe Kardashian posted. This is so disrespectful how Babyface was treated in this interview. Baby Face has had such a significant impact on the music industry in so many ways. It is maddening to see a legend not get the respect and attention they deserve. He is a pioneer and deserves so much better than this. With decades of groundbreaking work as a songwriter, producer and performer, he shaped the sound of multiple generations. I love you, Baby Face. And I'm a forever fan and thankful for all that you have blessed us with. By the way, what a class act you are. P.S. big or small, older, new, you don't treat people like this. There's a way to handle Love Chloe. And this was wrong in my opinion. No, I love Chloe. She's been going off a lot recently.
- [60:10]
B
She has. She's been doing a lot of text based stories.
- [60:13]
A
I. Maybe it's the podcaster in her.
- [60:15]
B
This is so a thing a podcaster does. It's an amazing point. I love that, like another famous person is sort of using their own celebrity to Stand up for. And you're right. He acted with such grace. He didn't act, you know, miffed at all. I was so upset watching this. Like, I can't even explain. It was so disgraceful. This, like, it. Honestly, I just. I hate it. I hope this girl gets fired. Honestly, like, I'm sorry. I know that's terrible to say. Like, it was horrible. It's such a bad look for the Associated Press.
- [60:45]
A
Yeah, it's just a bad judgment call.
- [60:47]
B
You know, I just felt like I watched it and something in me, like. Like, seriously broke. I was so upset.
- [60:54]
A
You.
- [60:54]
B
And I know that sounds. I know that sounds dramatic, but it's right. Like, no matter who it is, like, you treat an older person with respect, and you're just like, two young girls, like, trying to be cool with Chapel Rowan. And it's like, you're so disrespectful. Never mind that the person in front of you was, like, a living legend.
- [61:09]
A
Right.
- [61:09]
B
It was just. It bothered me so fudgeing much.
- [61:12]
A
No. And, like, this doesn't happen, even though I'm sure things like this happen all the time. Like, there are ways that this goes down. Like, I mean, also, they have, like, people who can hold the person. Like, you know, does this all day, every day. They don't have people disrespecting people, even when someone more interesting walks by. Like, there is a way to do this. And this was just so wrong. Amateur.
- [61:31]
B
Wait, also, can we talk about Wells Adams?
- [61:35]
A
We. You can, because I didn't get to watch it.
- [61:39]
B
I was really surprised. I was, like, when Zuri hall was, you know, doing her thing, and she crushes it. And then I saw them, like, I don't know why. This holiday award season, E. News has decided to, like, give Kelty the shaft where she doesn't interview any celebrities, even though, like, she's the most, like, highly trained entertainment journalist in Hollywood. She gets. They threw her at the top of the carpet at the last couple of award shows. Talking about fashion with Zanna Roberts Rossi. Like, somebody at at E is mad at her. So, like, oh, who's the other person? Because they usually have the big stage with Zuri, and then, like, a satellite interviewer, it's been Heather, so I wonder who it is. They cut to Wells from the Bachelor and color me shocked. Wearing the weirdest outfit I've ever seen in my life. I have to say, like, like, no shade. I happen to really like Wells. Such a nice guy. Happy for him to have gotten that opportunity. Poor choice on E's part Like, this is a Grammys.
- [62:30]
A
Yeah. Why are they still doing this? I felt like they went back to entertainment journalism.
- [62:37]
B
Where's Justin Sylvester?
- [62:39]
A
I don't know. Always a good question.
- [62:42]
B
I mean, when you think of the talent they've let go. Of course. Morgan Stewart, like, all Carissa. True professional. Where the hell was Justin Sylvester?
- [62:50]
A
So who was doing all the celebrity interviews? Zuri.
- [62:53]
B
Zuri and Wells.
- [62:55]
A
That's so.
- [62:57]
B
No. Jackie was so weird.
- [62:58]
A
Maybe he's trying to, like, be the next Ryan Seacrest. He does host on the show on the Bachelor. Like, I'm just saying, this is definitely a big next step, but maybe that's where he's trying to go.
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B
Notino shade. Lovely man.
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A
Yeah. Surprising.
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B
Extremely.
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A
Next up. Okay, so that's really it for the Grammys now?
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A
Thank you, Claudia.
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B
You're welcome.
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A
Our next story, major update in the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively. His website dropped.
- [66:30]
B
Oh, right, right.
- [66:31]
A
So Justin Baldoni's website that he had said was coming has dropped. It is called the lawsuit info.com and in it is everything everything.
- [66:41]
B
I'm surprised it's not. I hate Blake lively.com every text email.
- [66:45]
A
Exchange with the studio with Blake throughout the filming of this movie from the time he got the book rights from Colleen Hoover. And the tide had already turned pretty completely against Blake. But this is really the nail in the coffin. People are, like, cherry picking text messages that from her that are really cringe and also just paint a different sort of picture than what we had gleaned from the New York Times. And some.
- [67:10]
B
He puts so much out there that I think, like, whatever your theory is, like, some people think, like, Blake had a crush on him and he was unrequited. You can find like, a text text or an email on this website to substantiate whatever your theory is.
- [67:22]
A
Yes. And I have not read through everything yet, though I plan to, because I'm so confounded and confused by this whole thing that, like, I can't really have a take on it until I can wrap my head around as much information as it as is available. However, like, I'm getting ready to eat my words.
- [67:39]
B
You are?
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A
I am. I think that my initial assessment of Justin is still fair, which is, like, that's not my kind of guy. Like, cringe. But I think that. And it's funny because we were always on to Blake and Ryan until this. And maybe because everyone was hating them, like, it just, like, made us. It made us, like, them defend them. But from what I'm seeing this, these texts and everything portray, it's like, they did this man so dirty. I'm not gonna say that until I read it all, because right now I feel like I'm just being swayed by other people's takes. So I want to come to my own conclusion. But I'm just letting you guys know, like, I'm warm enough to say if I was wrong about this.
- [68:14]
B
Yeah. The thing is, is that I trust my gut here. Like, I feel like you're right. We've never been, like, huge Blake Lively or Ryan Reynolds fans. And I think there's definitely, like, weirdness abound with them. And I think that my gut on Justin Baldoni is and was 100% right. And I think that a lot of the theories that we're seeing in the public opinion being swayed is, one, like, because this is, like, an issue that only women are discussing. Like, women are in love with Justin Baldoni, and, like, they're. They refuse to see him in any other light other than, like, male fe king. And two, I'm sorry, I have no. And maybe you guys are gonna be, like, clutter. You're just saying this because everybody disagrees with you and maybe. But I have a hard time believing that like this is somebody who has been proven to have astroturfed right to have paid for positive campaign. I have never seen because I was somebody. I was just looking at Amanda from not skinny but not fat story because there have been a couple of podcasters who have been like very vocally anti Justin, Nick and Natalie Vile Nuts game. And I've had. And everybody sort of like stopped talking about it. So people are like, well, they were wrong. They're stopped talking about it. If you guys knew the amount of hate I fudgeing got literally like cancellation level for talking about Justin Baldoni. Amanda Hirsch was someone was like, are you going to eat your words Talking about. She was like, no, I'm not talking about anymore because I get so much hate. Natalie from via files DM me. She was like, are you getting so much hate? I'm like, yes. So you're telling me this is a person who has proven astroturfed like, you're telling me he doesn't have like money out there right now? Getting. There's so many bots involved. I'm just saying, like, I know you guys are going to be a clutter. You're just saying that. Like, like, I'm just saying. And so I'm not. I'm seriously not getting involved. Like, you guys know how I feel. I don't think this is a good person. I don't.
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A
Okay. I think that's fair. And I'm not saying, like, I, I feel like with this I find myself like being, I am being swayed by easily swayed the turs and the boss. And that's because I just don't really have a stake in it. So I can't like stick up for one person because I don't know these people from Adam and I was never a fan of any of them in a strong way to begin with. So that's why I'll read this and then decide. But it's again, I'm sorry.
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B
Oh my God. I saw this thing about the vial files and just to be clear, like, I have no skin in the game with the vial files. But people are like, well, Mint mobile.
- [70:20]
A
Oh God.
- [70:20]
B
Is one of their. Is one of their sponsors and Ryan Reynolds is an investor and that's like his company now. I could tell you guys 1000%. Like perfect example. Skims is one of our biggest sponsors and we talk about Kim all the time. Sometimes, you know, we agree with her, sometimes we don't. Sometimes we say she was wrong. That does not affect Your sponsors whatsoever. You can say. A sponsor would literally never tell you not to say something.
- [70:44]
A
That's really so crazy. That's when people, like, really get carried.
- [70:46]
B
Away and they don't understand.
- [70:48]
A
Sometimes the industry is so nefarious, and there's all these things that go on behind the scenes and you couldn't even fathom it. And then other times, it's like you're assigning all this credit to something that isn't even a factor in someone's decision. So I'm just saying these texts and the fact that he has all these texts and he is sharing everything from soup to nuts. This man is trying to clear his name, and he will do anything and spend whatever because. Because if he does not come back from this, he has nothing. The two of them, like, are fine.
- [71:14]
B
We'll survive.
- [71:15]
A
I actually.
- [71:15]
B
Maybe I'm biased, but I think that, like, the concept of setting up a website for public consumption, like, and his obsession with getting people to, like, agree with him, like, I actually think it's weird and creepy, and maybe I'm biased because I think he's weird and creepy, but I think this whole thing of, like, setting up a website, releasing your voicemails, your voice memos, like, you're trying a little too hard, like, what are you hiding from? Sorry.
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A
Oh, I disagree. I feel like if you have been, like, so thoroughly slandered and, like, nothing else like this, what would he ever do again? Yeah, this. And. And he's say he was so wrong. Like, just operate under the premise that he's so wronged. Like, would you not do everything that you could to clear your name?
- [71:57]
B
No, I guess I would. And it's not just a matter of really hard.
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A
It's not just a matter of, like, agree to disagree, we'll go our separate, separate ways, and, like, we just all don't like each other. And I'm going to take the high road. Like, there's no high major allegations because he has nowhere else to go. He doesn't have an agent. He doesn't have his podcast. And then there are things to me that still don't add up. Like, why did everyone in the cast take Blake Lively side? Why did Colleen Hoover take her side? Why, when she finally released her lawsuit, why did everyone speak up for her, speak up for her? Like, that always is a little bit weird to me, the astroturfing. Like, why did that campaign happen when nothing had happened yet? Well, it seemed like he sort of, like, started this, but then it seems like they were trying to take his movie from him. But then I also have a hard time, like, caring so much about sympathizing with the movie.
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B
Yeah, yeah. So I hear you. I think it's fair to question. Of course. Like, and. And also, I think it's so easy for Justin Baldoni to be, like, big hero, big hero when nobody's responded to him. Well, in a legal or public way.
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A
For you. Yes. Like, you are waiting for Blake to respond, and you're gonna, like, wait to call it until you see everything that's out there. What he's saying is, like, this is every. This is what happened.
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B
Right. Right now he's saying everything's out there now.
- [73:15]
A
Yeah.
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B
No, I get it. I just. I just. I seriously cannot be swayed by this man.
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A
Yeah, well, so that's just. The jury is out for me now. Now I have to review the evidence.
- [73:28]
B
A diverse echo. It's good not to be in an echo chamber. Diverse opinions here on the show.
- [73:34]
A
Yeah. But I also feel myself being, like, really wishy washy about this because I just.
- [73:38]
B
I don't care.
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A
So confused. Like, yeah. And I'm just confused. And then, like, yeah, all this stuff that happened on set, that's what I guess I'll have to read about now. But, like, then she sends these texts. It's like, who talks like that? So anyways, this is the text that's gone super viral.
- [73:49]
B
Yeah.
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A
She said, I can send you my pass at the roof or just read with you when we get together next week. Let me know what you prefer. If you knew me in person longer, you'd have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting would play. It's my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth. And him serving it back to her is just as it's blocked out. You don't usually see both the man and the woman with spicy and humor. Anyway, I can act it out for you next week to make sure it comes. Comes through. Or I can.
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B
Yeah, that's what I want you to act it out for me.
- [74:19]
A
Or I can send now. Let me know what you prefer. When. When Colleen Hoover was sitting in her house 10 years ago writing this rooftop scene, did she ever think that it would be the end of multiple people's careers?
- [74:29]
B
No. And, like, so hotly contested. Like, no, I don't think she did.
- [74:34]
A
And now Colleen Hoover is, like, being dragged.
- [74:36]
B
Yeah. So she deactivated all of her social media. There's, like, something going on with her son. Like. Like, she has a couple of sons, and one of them, like, Got himself in some, you know, bad situation about sexual harassment. And so I'm not clear on all the details, but it's like, you know, it's not looking good for Colleen. And, like, the Internet found, you know.
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A
Everything separate from how she's behaved in this situation.
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B
Separate.
- [75:02]
A
Okay. I'm.
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B
But it's. It's.
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A
That sounds like a different problem.
- [75:07]
B
Yes, but it's the same conversation, right? About, like, sexual harassment.
- [75:11]
A
It. Right, but in that conversation, she, like, downplayed the woman's experience, and then in this one, she's not just up playing.
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B
Yeah, I don't know. I don't. Seriously. I don't know.
- [75:19]
A
So, like, relevance. Let me know is important. I haven't seen, like, the relevancy. You guys are just questioning her as an individual now. Okay.
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B
Correct. Correct.
- [75:27]
A
After, like, reading her books and loving her.
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B
Yeah, Right. Right.
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A
Now we hate her.
- [75:31]
B
Right. No, cancel. Colleen is over party.
- [75:34]
A
So that's where we're at. I thought it was gonna get. Get quieter from here on out. No, it's getting louder.
- [75:42]
B
I would love to know what the conversations inside the lively Reynolds household have been like.
- [75:46]
A
I'm sure it's like. Well, it's playful with teeth.
- [75:51]
B
Oh, let me go. Let me go to the basement and get one of my dragons.
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A
I don't know. I. I feel like those two basically, like, I. I don't know. Do they know how. I don't know that it's this bad. Maybe they're preparing their next thing, like. Like, Blake Christmas Day bomb, which I also. I like. It's crazy how two people can read a situation because, like, when she dropped that, like, right before Christmas, I was like, that's a weird time to drop this, like, evidence that's going to clear her name. No one's really paying attention. It's the holiday break that's a bad time to make news. And then other people were like, she did it to ruin his Christmas.
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B
Well, to be clear, she didn't actually drop anything. She filed something with the drop with the government, and then the New York Times ran it.
- [76:31]
A
She dropped the file in conjunction with the New York Times story on that week when she could have done.
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B
It's unclear, like, if that was her publishing it or the New York Times just ran it. But, yes, I'm sure it seemed like.
- [76:41]
A
They had an inside.
- [76:42]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [76:44]
A
But, like, why that week? To me, that week seems like poor.
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B
Timing, but where you would bury something.
- [76:47]
A
Right. But then other people see it as she wanted to ruin Justin's Christmas. So that's Just like how we all see it differently.
- [76:55]
B
Yeah. We're in Justin's Christmas.
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A
Christmas. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Some lighthearted news that we've all been waiting for.
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B
What?
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A
Christina Hawk has a new man.
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B
Who?
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A
Chris LaRocca.
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B
Oh, but I gotta look. This is gonna be in the flip off season two.
- [77:12]
A
Chris Lahaka.
- [77:13]
B
Wait, what is she going by now? Christina Hack? Is that.
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A
Yeah, that's her original name. I think she's like stripped back.
- [77:20]
B
Oh, wow. Sexy pics of them.
- [77:22]
A
Yeah.
- [77:23]
B
You know what she finds like these hot men.
- [77:26]
A
Some girls just never stay single for long.
- [77:29]
B
She's so. It's the seven husbands of Christina Hack.
- [77:32]
A
It is. And you know who else I was thinking that about recently? Who weirdly, always has a man, even though, like, I wouldn't have put her in that box? Lady Gaga.
- [77:41]
B
Oh, yeah, because we saw him last night and he was not what I was expecting.
- [77:44]
A
Lady Gaga always has a man. But you would think she'd be like the independent type, not really in a relationship and she like low key. Always in a committed relationship.
- [77:54]
B
So they were spotted at the LA airport together and they're jetting off on a romantic getaway to Paris.
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A
Yeah, they were spotted first together in October.
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B
His name is Michael Buckner. He is a professional headshot. So what does that mean?
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A
Wait, I'm looking at Christopher LaRocca.
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B
Oh, wait, am I on an old article? I mean there's so many articles. I literally, I literally searched and no, wait.
- [78:16]
A
February 2, 2025, Christina Hawk spotted kissing photo boyfriend Chris LaRocca.
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B
Wait, wait, are you on People magazine?
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A
Yeah. February 2, 2025.
- [78:27]
B
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, who's this guy? Why do they side by side of.
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A
Her photo was taken by Michael Buckner.
- [78:34]
B
That's no credit.
- [78:35]
A
No, that's the photo credit for Variety.
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B
Oh, oh, that's a photographer. My bad. That's who took the headshot. If anybody needs a new headshot, his.
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A
Name is Chris LaRocca.
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B
He's very handsome. What does he do?
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A
I just want to say Christina LaRocca. Oh, and then they have like the same first name. Also because he's.
- [78:56]
B
I'd rather see you LaRocca. The stage at Arrow.
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A
She's Christine and he's Christopher.
- [79:03]
B
Oh, Chris, Chris. They're the Chris's.
- [79:05]
A
That's cute.
- [79:07]
B
So he's the CEO and president of Network Connects. She loves a businessman.
- [79:12]
A
I love that for her.
- [79:14]
B
Now let me look up annual revenue.
- [79:16]
A
For the CEO of Network LaRocca.
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B
Yeah, I'm just like, I'm a busybody. Does this have a real job? Okay. Oh, my God. Network Con X, estimated revenue they're based out of Chicago is about $80 million a year. That's. He's the CEO of a company that does $80 million a year strong. Yeah.
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A
Christina, what's his name? Your time, Chris.
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B
She does not waste her time.
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A
Chris. What was his name?
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B
Chris LaRocca. Salary, maybe it's on Glassdoor. So his net worth according to this website is at least $9,126. Thank you.
- [79:55]
A
That's good.
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B
I figured it might be.
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A
That's good there.
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B
He's a private citizen, so it's like, really hard.
- [80:02]
A
No. And also, maybe he's like CEO of this company, but maybe he, like, sold a company previously. Like, it's hard to know.
- [80:07]
B
Okay.
- [80:08]
A
Bad debts. You could.
- [80:10]
B
He has a Bloomberg profile. Like, that's how you know you're like a legit business person. A part of the.
- [80:15]
A
This headshot by Michael Buckner is also giving legit business person a thousand percent.
- [80:20]
B
Thank you, Michael Buckner. Like, that's seriously at a ringing endorsement for you. I'm literally crying. I have tears coming out of my eyes. I kind of need to do a headshot. Should I call up Michael Buckner?
- [80:29]
A
I think that you should. Do you think that what Michael Buckner knew the day he took this man's photo change his life?
- [80:36]
B
Do you think Michael Buckner's daughter is a toaster?
- [80:39]
A
I hope like a niece out there is. Like, maybe we'll get free headshots.
- [80:44]
B
Uncle Mike, is that you? Oh, my God, I'm cracking up. Well, Christina knows how to pick them. Like, she really always turns out with someone handsome, someone successful. Now it's never like a long lasting thing, but that's. He seems kind of seems like where she's comfortable.
- [80:58]
A
Christopher seems different.
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B
So does Michael.
- [81:01]
A
Maybe if it doesn't work out with Christopher.
- [81:04]
B
There's always Michael.
- [81:05]
A
There's always Michael. No, he seems different because he's, like, not in the public eye. Doesn't seem like he's gonna go on to date Renee Zellweger.
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B
Yeah.
- [81:10]
A
And go to her premiere of Bridget Jones. Did you see Andre instead?
- [81:14]
B
Are they still together, him and Renee?
- [81:16]
A
He was at the premiere of Bridget Jones with her and.
- [81:18]
B
I don't believe you.
- [81:20]
A
That's so crazy.
- [81:22]
B
They're still together.
- [81:23]
A
Yeah, they're still together. They were together last week on the red carpet of her new movie.
- [81:27]
B
Okay, I need. Yeah, I see.
- [81:28]
A
I say, I think his daughters came along too. So she's just like yeah, he has.
- [81:32]
B
A son and a daughter who both came. So she. She's really a part of the family.
- [81:35]
A
Yes.
- [81:36]
B
Well, maybe they should hire Michael Buckner to take a family photo.
- [81:38]
A
Do you think she'll be watching the flip off 1,000? You know, she is not with him, though. Like, late at night when he's out doing his. Well, he's things.
- [81:48]
B
He's. He's on the Flip Off. He's one of my guests.
- [81:50]
A
That's why she's gonna watch. Just like Taylor listens to Travis's podcast to get insight, right? He wants to know what happened between. She, like Renee Zellweger is just a girl. She wants to know why Ant and Christina didn't work out.
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B
Renee Anstead.
- [82:03]
A
Got a nice ring to it. It's a lot. It's a lot of vowels.
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B
Claudia Buckner.
- [82:09]
A
That's nice. Lot of consonants.
- [82:13]
B
Yeah. Hard. Well, thank you for ending, like, putting a nice sort of bookend on the stories for today, because I. That's the sign. That's something I need.
- [82:22]
A
We do good news here. I need some good news. Sitting on, sipping on some cold true. Nobody knows what I'm going through. Cause the devil don't walk in my shoes.
- [82:36]
B
That is our show. Thank you so much for listening to the toast and Monday morning show. We Deliver the Fast 5 stories you need to every Monday, the Friday on YouTube. So you're watching us on YouTube. Please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as Podcast Anywhere. Podcast Me, fans on Spotify, Twitch, Republic Media, Cast Box, all the places we visit. Podcast Rev. A beautiful sun and wickedly talented. We are.
- [82:51]
A
Love ya. Oh, hit him with the heart, turd. We're so close.
- [82:54]
B
Okay, I just want to say, like, I am getting over this.
- [82:56]
A
Claudia. We're so close. Move over.
- [82:59]
B
No, I was. I was out of frame last time. So were you.
- [83:02]
A
No, we were far. We. There was distance. Love you so much. We're gonna make it one day. Never give up on your dreams.