Big Al-mageddon: Monday, April 20th, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast

Episode: Big Al-mageddon: Monday, April 20th, 2026
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Air Date: April 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode of The Toast, Jackie and Claudia Oshry return post-Coachella Weekend Two for a jam-packed pop culture round-up. The sisters reflect on their weekends, catch up on home renos, and dive into headline-making stories including the ongoing Alex Earl vs. Alex Cooper saga ("Al-mageddon"), Summer House drama, major Coachella moments, and a deep-dive into recent reality TV storylines. Their signature sharp commentary and insider knowledge makes this a must-listen episode for anyone wanting to stay in the loop on digital culture and reality TV drama.

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Personal Catch-Up & Banter (00:24–13:32)

Home Life and Renovations

• Jackie updates on her kitchen renovations and the milestone of finally getting a built-in microwave—"major gains for me, and I'm so excited." (01:36)
• Discussion about heating trends: warming drawers vs. microwaves—"what the mamas are saying." (02:33)

Weekend Recaps

• Both rehash their weekends, highlighting mahjong marathons and the effort to teach friends and neighbors the game.
• Jackie muses on friendships, mothering, and suburb visits—"Ben’s never lived anywhere outside of the city…he’s ready, he’s ready." (07:22)
• Safety concerns about moving to a house versus life in city apartments, referencing SVU and “living beings” aspect of houses. (08:08–08:34)
• Claudia’s TV binge: she starts the 14-hour documentary Rick Burns’ New York and reflects on cultural shifts—“I get in bed and I watch, like, a historical documentary. And I actually really enjoy it, except for the fact that it’s so boring and sleepy. I cannot stop falling asleep.” (09:34)

Technology & Reading

• Claudia reveals the saga of her lost Kindles and her struggle to start Strangers by Bell Burden.
• Jackie points out: “Sometimes when something comes so easy, it’s easy come, easy go. But you buy one, you know how you feel when you buy something.” (13:24)

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The “Al-mageddon” Saga: Alex Earl vs. Alex Cooper (21:34–29:19)

Alex Earl’s (Non-)Response

• Discussion on Alex Earl’s pointed use of “You Don’t Own Me” in her pole dance TikTok—“Very pointed, I would say. And not just to Cooper herself, but to everyone.” (21:56)
• Debate on generational differences in handling PR dramas; the sisters agree Alex Earl’s methods feel “so unexpected to me…We’re from a different time.” (23:38)
• Strategic silence: Jackie: “Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake.” (24:03)

Brianna Chickenfry's Role

• Brianna Chickenfry’s podcast teases and her defense of Alex Earl are critiqued: “That’s kind of been the only, like, bad look for Team Alex Earl.” (25:33)

Dave Portnoy’s Tea by the Sea

• New revelations: allegations that Alex Cooper blackmailed Alex Earl to keep her on the network, to which both hosts have “zero tolerance for blackmail and cancellation.” (27:37–28:16)
• Jackie: “I have a zero tolerance policy for blackmail and cancellation.” (28:04)
• Claudia adds: “Who does she think she is, James Gandolfini? Like, that’s insane.” (28:25)

Naming the Drama

• Jackie pitches: “What about Al-mageddon? Just think about it.” (26:51)
• Claudia: “I love it. I don’t know if we can also use Armageddon again…but I love it.” (26:56)

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Reality TV & Summer House Drama (29:55–41:07)

Amanda & Wes at the Yankees Game

• Recap of their appearance and awkward jumbotron kiss: “Act like you like me…” (30:42)
• Both hosts sceptical about the authenticity and prospects of this new couple: “He has one foot out the door.” (31:11)
• Claudia: “It’s hard to champion people who don’t champion themselves.” (33:24)

Other Sightings & Scandals

• Kyle Cook seen kissing Megan King Edmonds: “The most unlikely pairing…craziest, most disturbing kiss I’ve ever seen.” (36:26–37:44)
• Discussion about the trend of faking illness for attention, referencing both Bravo scandals and social media personalities. (39:51)

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Reality TV Deep Dive: Taylor Frankie Paul Drama (41:26–47:53)

• Review of Taylor’s public statement post-domestic violence case dismissal—her framing of healing and starting over amidst public scrutiny.
• Claudia distinguishes between mistakes and evil: “I can forgive a person who makes mistakes. I can’t forgive an evil person.” (47:23)
• Jackie: “She’ll always have an audience…she shares, like, all the ugliest parts of her life so she’ll always have, like, an audience and can work in that sense.” (45:39)

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Coachella Weekend Two Recap (52:22–63:02)

Major Moments & Cameos

• Madonna’s surprise appearance with Sabrina Carpenter: “To see her sort of pass the baton to a younger performer, that’s not the Madonna way…so I was happy to see that for Sabrina.” (54:06)
• Olivia Rodrigo’s crossover with Addison Rae: Both hosts are critical—“I think she [Olivia] did have this big weekend…just kind of a weird launch, don’t you find?” (57:49)

Musical Generational Differences

• Confusion over Addison Rae’s music: “It’s not music. Not to sound like an actual grandma, but it’s literally just noise.” (56:35)

Biebers, Billie, & Coachella Couples

• Justin Bieber’s improved performance: “He took a little bit of the criticisms from the prior week…he added a bunch of older songs.” (60:40)
• Observations about Kylie Jenner’s solo attendance and relationship boundaries—“With couples sometimes…you have to honor your personal hobbies and not drag your partner into them.” (62:35)

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Fast 5: Last Headlines (63:07–65:50)

Anne Hathaway as People’s 'Most Beautiful'

• Jackie and Claudia agree this is a fitting pick: “To me, when I think of People’s Most Beautiful…to me, it’s like always Julia Roberts.” (63:46)
• Anticipation (and nerves!) for the new Devil Wears Prada reboot—“The acting was giving corny. Like, I’m scared. I’m really scared. It better be good.” (64:27)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “I finally have a built-in microwave. Major gains for me, and I’m so excited.” – Jackie (01:36)
• “Never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake.” – Claudia (24:03)
• “I have a zero tolerance policy for blackmail and cancellation.” – Jackie (28:04)
• “It’s hard to champion people who don’t champion themselves.” – Claudia (33:24)
• “It’s not music. Not to sound like an actual grandma, but it’s literally just noise.” – Claudia (56:35)
• “To me, when I think of People’s Most Beautiful…to me, it’s like always Julia Roberts.” – Jackie (63:46)

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Memorable Moments

• Jackie and Claudia bicker playfully over who “discovered” key pop culture phenomena first (12:11–12:53)
• Claudia and Jackie reflect on the emotional cycles of reality TV forgiveness and redemption (43:15–44:39)
• The sisters fondly recount unique phrases and quirks from their friends, ending on a classic: “I just folded like a cheap suit.” (68:03)
• Lighthearted confusion about pop music (55:52–57:40)
• Observations on social media-driven drama and generational differences in response style (23:38–26:25)

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Episode Structure & Key Timings

• 00:24 – Home and Life Updates
• 07:19 – Suburb Visits & Relationship Chatter
• 09:34 – Claudia’s Documentary Binge
• 13:32 – Book & Kindle Chat
• 21:34 – Alex Earl vs. Alex Cooper (“Al-mageddon”)
• 29:55 – Summer House and Reality TV Drama
• 41:26 – Taylor Frankie Paul Story
• 52:22 – Coachella Weekend Two
• 63:07 – People’s ‘Most Beautiful’ and Final Headlines
• 68:03 – End of Show Banter

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Tone & Takeaway

With their breezy, incisive style, Jackie and Claudia deliver an episode rich in pop culture gossip, personal anecdotes, and sly humor. From reality TV deep-dives to sharp takes on influencer drama, this episode is a snapshot of online culture, seen through the lens of two veteran pop-commentators. Expect playfully critical takes, lots of in-jokes, and a refreshingly personal (sometimes sisterly snarky!) perspective.

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This summary is intended to serve those who missed the episode, offering both the big stories and the small moments that make The Toast a beloved morning fixture.

Transcript

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Good morning, girlies.

[B]

It's the Toast.

[A]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

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It's your favorite show.

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The best five things you need to know.

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We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.

[A]

They sound amazing.

[B]

Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Monday. Monday after weekend two of Coachella doesn't hit quite as hard as the Monday after weekend one of Coachella, but the girls were out. They were having fun.

[A]

Yeah, it's like a third story, you know, it's not a first story.

[B]

Yeah. And there actually is a lot to discuss. It was kind of a juicy weekend between west and Amanda going to the Yankee game, which is, like, seriously the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. Alix Earl gave us, like, nothing 2.0, but it's worth discussing, and we just, like, have to catch up with one another because we're fabulous ladies who, like, you know, probably partied all weekend.

[A]

Oh, yeah. It's also been, like, one whole week since Licks vs Lex.

[B]

That's insane, because it was the best week of my life. That is insane that it's only been a week because it was, like, happy Monday.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What you hear at, like, the gates of hell. How was your weekend? I barely even spoke to you. How's your kitchen Renault coming along?

[A]

It's going really well. They're actually working right now, so if you hear anything, just know that it's the sweet, sweet sounds of having a microwave installed.

[B]

Wow. What are you gonna do with, like, your antique microwave that you just have to, like, bring out and plug in?

[A]

I'm gonna throw it away. I'm gonna throw it in the bin.

[B]

Really? 15 years old?

[A]

No, that one is, like, three years old. But I've had a version of it for the last 10 years because, I mean, it's on the vlog, but I've actually, like, weirdly never lived in a place that has a microwave built in. So this is going to be major gains for me, and I'm so excited.

[B]

I'm surprised. To mess around with a microwave. Like, it's so, so not you.

[A]

I'm definitely cautious about the way in which I engage with my microwave.

[B]

Yeah. I want to say the older I get, the more I understand Lizzie Lohan's mom and Confessions of a Teenage Drama. Because one thing about my son, he eats cold food. I will never. Because we batch a lot of his, like, solids. We, like, freeze stuff. We make stuff for the week, and sorry if a mama forgets to take it out, like, an hour before you're eating it cold. I'm not putting in the microwave.

[A]

Yeah. But when I do engage with my microwave, like, of course, like it's in glass, not never plastic. And I try and be thoughtful about it, but sometimes, like, you do need a microwave. And for my guests, like, I just don't want to be that person that's like, oh, we can't go over there. She doesn't have a microwave. Like, I'll have a microwave. Sure, use it if you want.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But you know what I've heard, you know what the streets are saying about the wave. The new thing in heating technology is a warming drawer. That's what the mamas are saying. That's.

[B]

What are you having put in your new kitchen?

[A]

So I'm not, because it wasn't in the plans. And I think that's like, you know, in, in my next kitchen, I'm gonna have a warming drawer. But just know what's trending, apparently, are warming drawers. Because, like, you could cook dinner at like 3 o', clock, keep it in the warming drawer.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It stays warm till dinner.

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I love that.

[A]

I love that too. So I'm just sort of letting that idea percolate, not to use the word, since Dave Portnoy made use that word in his Tea by the Sea video. And now I'm just like feeling like the percolaciousness.

[B]

I'm definitely feeling the partialicious percolation as well. I did something crazy over the weekend.

[A]

What did you do? I can answer however I want.

[B]

Oh, no. Jackie's succumbing to the hate.

[A]

No, I'm not. But it's like, okay, I'm down to evolve with it. Like, I. I don't want to throw it in the garbage, but like, let's workshop.

[B]

You know, I shot Tachi how to play mahjong.

[A]

Oh, I knew that.

[B]

I taught that Chad to play mahjong. So, like, my crew is growing. I just like to have that was in the house. Yeah, I need to have it in house. Foursome. That's a hard part about mahjong, when you love the game. But you also, like, are quite insular. You need three other people when you

[A]

hate the players, but you love the game.

[B]

Love the game. So I got Ben, even though actually for my mental health, I need to

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stop playing hard to play with him.

[B]

He is so slow. And yeah, of course you need time to think, but that's not even what I'm talking about. Like, when you need to pick up a tie, like a normal person goes like, this Ben will go like this. Like, I just can't play with him. But I'm desperate. So Ben is my second. My friend Margo is my third. She's, like, always down. And now I have Satchelu, and she played with me twice this weekend. I need to keep growing my, like, insular circle of, like, people who have, like, flex jobs.

[A]

You need to, like, teach Ruby how to play.

[B]

Literally. Well, I was thinking of actually hosting a class at my house. Like, anybody wants to play, and it's gonna be, you know, available to me. Come learn.

[A]

You have a lot of friends who don't know how to play.

[B]

I would say most of my friends know how to play. But, like, I keep encountering people, and they're like, oh, I want to learn, learn.

[A]

Like, oh, so you're gonna teach everyone?

[B]

Well, that says all those people in my house. I know. I just, like, want to sort of spread love.

[A]

You need to make a leader in my community. You need to make neighbor friends.

[B]

I did Annette, like, and she doesn't know how to play, so she was gonna come to my class, too.

[A]

Okay. So that needs to learn how to play. Like, my next door neighbor plays. And so it's, like, nice. This weekend, I was talking to Olivia. We sort of had, like, the itch to play at night, but, like, in a casual manner where, like, kids go down. Like, we're in our pajamas. Let's just play. So I was like, let me text my neighbors, my next door neighbors. We can play on the lot line.

[B]

Yeah, I know two of my neighbors, and I asked them both, and neither of them play.

[A]

Oh, oh, okay. So they're gonna have to educate themselves.

[B]

Cube wrecked. And everybody's like, well, I want to learn. And it's like, okay, so start.

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Claudia, if you wanted to, you would.

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A thousand percent.

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If you wanted to, you would.

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So I took the time to teach Sachi, which I was glad for. So I spent a lot of time with Sachi this weekend. Yeah, I was with her last night and the night before last, so.

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And what's, like, the headlines from Satch Worldwide?

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From Satchella?

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No, like, just from, like, Satch. From the Satchy Times.

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Well, the place looks great. Of course. It always does.

[A]

Oh, my God. Last night, the kids and Olivia's kids, we all played in my house, like, all afternoon, tore up the house and just, like, go crazy. I. I literally have no energy. And then we were eating dinner, and the place was, like, upside down. I go, the place looks great. It always.

[B]

It always does.

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Thank you.

[B]

So Sachi was in. In. In the presence. I was in the presence of statue. We just like pretty much kept saying that the whole night.

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I can't stop saying it. And there's something that I.

[B]

It always does.

[A]

Something I've been like, really excited for coming up and it's like, soon I will know how it feels.

[B]

Of course. No. And Sachi actually texted me last night about something she was looking forward to for wikes.

[A]

We need to watch more of the video because literally in the. In the one minute that we watch, we have sound bites for life. Sound bites for life, Totally.

[B]

So I feel like, in terms of, like catching up in a personal sense, I don't really have a lot to share.

[A]

Oh, that felt like really quick. No, I know.

[B]

It was just kind of like a low key weekend. We were transitioning to one nap. I know. Like, we're really advanced. I don't want to talk about it. And I really don't want to talk about, like, stop asking me, you guys. And what else? What else? You know? Tum tum Tam.

[A]

The life of me.

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The life of a mother.

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The life of a mother. Lots of mothering this weekend, I would say from your girl.

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Yeah. We took a trip to the suburbs and I feel as though like, Ben

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got the itch, you know, you gotta scratch it.

[B]

Well, you know, Ben has never lived anywhere outside of the city. And it's so crazy because he's so house, right? Like barbecue, putting green, you know? And so we went to visit our friends who had recently made the journey to Scarsdale. And we just had a fabulous time. Like a back deck bbq. And when we were in the car, like, Ben was just like, talking about it and I was like, oh, he's ready, he's ready.

[A]

Oh my gosh. Are you ready for house? I just feel like you're never going to live in a house.

[B]

I can't.

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They have a Scarsdale, right?

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Like, I cannot live in a house, like, because somebody could just walk right in. It's insane. The fact that people like, you know, live on the ground level. I just. It's insane to me. Like, aren't you afraid all the time?

[A]

Well, you could have a gate.

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Who cares?

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And a fence.

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People jump them like they don't care. Yeah, I've seen svu. I've watched way too much SVU from such a young age.

[A]

They all take place in the city in apartments.

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So, like, they go to the outer boroughs. They're in Yonkers a lot.

[A]

No, like, it's literally only that shouldn't Scare you off of a house. Other things could, but SVU should literally only scare you off of the city.

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And, like, houses are sort of like living beings. They just breathe, you know, they make sounds, they fart, they burp. Like, I could, like, I would just have to sleep with one eye permanently open.

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One eye open when I'm sleeping.

[B]

One eye. One. I open when I'm sleeping. When I remember, like, the toast, like, week or month where I could not stop saying that.

[A]

Yeah, we. I remember. I think we were on a vacation. We were vlogging something and I think we were doing shot or truth. What's that game? Sipper Drinker.

[B]

Truth. Yeah, whatever.

[A]

Sipper C. And you were, like, drinking. And that's all. That's all you contributed to the vlog was one I open when I'm sleeping.

[B]

Sounds like an amazing vlog. So glad to have been a part of it.

[A]

Yeah, it was really cute. I think we were upstate. I think I was pregnant.

[B]

Oh, we're so cute.

[A]

There's so much cute stuff on the Patreon. It's all there still. Like, if you join today, you could go watch that vlog from 2021.

[B]

It's sort of like a historical. Oh, I cannot believe I talked about my weekend without talking about what I actually did all weekend. I watched Rick Burns, New York. Now, Obviously it's a 14 hour documentary, but I understand now, like, why you made it, your personality at the time. Because it's like, yeah, I'm watching Rick Burns, New York. What are you doing, Slob? Like, I am so elevated. I get in bed and I watch, like, a historical documentary. And I actually really enjoy it, except for the fact that it's so boring and sleepy. I cannot stop falling asleep. I keep having to start over the next day. I did finally get to the Central park part, and I fell asleep right when it started.

[A]

Like, tonight you'll watch it.

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I saw, like, the first 10 minutes and then I fell asleep because it was during, like, Ruby's nap time. So I started taking a nap and it was just like. It's so. It's so good. It's so sleepy. Like, the voice and the music and just, like, soothing. It's very soothing. I feel like I'm learning a lot and I love learning, you know?

[A]

Yeah, Ben likes it too. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, Ben loves it. And he's telling everyone about it. Ben is, like, so funny. He, like, just can't keep things in home. Not that it's like a secret that we're watching it, but like, literally week every Time we were playing mahjong, we saw his parents, we went into Scarsdale telling everyone. And all these people are texting me. What was that documentary called? So, like, we're truly spreading the word of Rick Burns

[A]

Three years. When did I watch it? I think I watched it when I was pregnant with Harry. Like, why don't you just listen to me when I say things the first time?

[B]

Okay, So I would have watched it then and hated it. Is that what you want? Like, I would have liked it then. Yeah. I wasn't in the space for it.

[A]

I'm in the space for it now.

[B]

My God. Like, I'm giving you credit.

[A]

I wasn't hearing a lot of credit, but it's not even about the credit of the Rick Burns. It's like, of course.

[B]

What's it about?

[A]

It's about going forward, you know?

[B]

In what going forward?

[A]

That you could maybe, like, we could be simpatico on them, you know?

[B]

Yeah, I understand. You have a chip on your shoulder because you, like, did a couple of things first and then I years later, like, finally watch him. But I feel like years ago.

[A]

Because I could have enjoyed it together. That's why. Because I just want to do this with you.

[B]

I acknowledge that. Like, yeah, you're on to things before me. Like, congrats, like, that's great. I'm happy for you.

[A]

Credit for being onto them before you. I'm just hoping on the next one, like, we could sync up.

[B]

Great. Like, sorry, that already happens. Like, I don't know what you want me to say about.

[A]

So for the next one we'll sync up. You're saying, like, what?

[B]

Like what? Because I feel like we're synced now. Like, I trust you now and I'm always listening to your recommendations. But sorry, you watched Downton Abbey and you got a Kindle and you watched Rick Burns New York, like 10 fucking years ago. Sorry. You're like an 80 year old living in the body of a 25 year old. I'm sorry that I'm just my age.

[A]

25. I'll add it to the list.

[B]

How old were you when you watched Downton Abbey?

[A]

I was pregnant with Harry.

[B]

Oh, so clearly, like, you went through like a grandma phase when you were pregnant. Like, sorry, I wasn't also pregnant.

[A]

Like, it's not a phase, It's a lifestyle life. Also. Did you start Strangers?

[B]

Oh, my God, no. I tried to order it on Amazon.

[A]

What do you mean you don't have a Kindle?

[B]

I do, but I'm like, really not in my Kindle. Phase. First of all, I don't know where it is. Like, I can't buy another one because

[A]

you don't have one.

[B]

And the one that I do have, like, I cannot find the charger for. And you guys know me. I have, like, a saga.

[A]

I have lost everything I've ever owned on your Kindle.

[B]

I. I just cannot buy another Kindle. So I ordered it on Amazon, and it must be, like, going in for a second printing because it was prime, but it's gonna take, like, four days. Oh, I think it'll be here tomorrow.

[A]

I can't believe you don't have a work like a Kindle right now. That's really crazy.

[B]

Like, if I went looking for it, I might find it.

[A]

I feel like you just, like, fart Kindles. Like, you say Kindle and one falls into your lap. Like, everyone's always sending them to you.

[B]

The Amazon team is extremely generous with their gifting. So when I say I've lost every Kindle I've ever owned, just, I've actually never bought one, which is on my part.

[A]

Maybe if you bought one, you.

[B]

I would know what it's like to, like, know the value of a candle.

[A]

Yeah. Like, sometimes when something comes so easy, it's easy come, easy go. But you buy one, you know how you feel when you buy something, it's like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I'm also, like. I like these days, like, reading a book, getting in bed.

[A]

It's very. Because you guys do it together. Like, the lights are on.

[B]

No, no, but just, like, something about, like, turning a page. It's so natural, you know, so quaint. Yeah. And then, of course, if I ever leave the house with my book, how will people know that I'm, like, reading something?

[A]

Reading, like, the book of the moment, which is Strangers by Bell Burden. Yeah, it really is. Everybody's talking about it, don't you find?

[B]

And they're adapting it. Who's playing quick?

[A]

Gwyneth Paltrow is playing her, I believe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I love that. I've seen pictures and videos of Ms. Burden, but I don't know what the subject of the book is, but between her con. I know it's about a divorce. And, you know, Gwyneth obviously has experience in the conscious uncoupling. And it's not like a wealthy blonde woman. If there's a story about a wealthy blonde woman. I only wanted to be played by Gwyneth Paltrow.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. I look forward to discussing the movie once you've read the book, because I have some. Some thoughts, but I don't want to spoil anything.

[B]

The Internet was ablaze this weekend. I do feel like we can dive in between the Yankee game and just like so much going on, let's do it.

[A]

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[A]

Thank you to Turt.

[B]

You're welcome. Jerk.

[A]

I was just like looking at the stories again on People magazine and who do I see? My sister, me, Claudia Ashray. You were one of the topic came out an hour ago. You're talking about, like your good stuff, you know, you're talking about, oh, like your new partnership and your relief.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I forgot.

[A]

I sort of once.

[B]

Thank you. I sort of buried the lead. I'm one. Yeah. Some like big major news coming out today. I totally forgot.

[A]

You're the news. Yes.

[B]

You know, I get a lot of requests from high end brands, right. You know, fashion, beauty, and a lot of people want to work with me and I. I'm very choosy. Of course. Right, of course. And so, yes, that People magazine article today is announcement. I am very proud to be one of the new faces of Dulclex. It just feels right, you know what I mean? It just feels right.

[A]

Feels right.

[B]

Like I didn't even need product. Do you know what I mean? They were like, can we send you products? I was like, no, I'm all set.

[A]

I'm all set. Thanks.

[B]

Thanks so much.

[A]

Well, what a fun treat to see you in the news. As I scrolled about my day, our first story, Alex Earl seemingly sends pointed message to Alice Cooper with a song choice in her new pole dancing video. So as we wait for the Earl response, we are getting a video of her pole dancing along to the track, you don't own me. Which for those who don't know goes.

[B]

Don't you.

[A]

Don't tell me what to do. Don't tell me what to say. Very pointed, I would say. And not just to cooperate himself, but to everyone who's like, tick tock on the clock. You have to say your piece.

[B]

Oh, I thought it was actually like exclusively directed at Alex Cooper. Because she didn't. And I think now in hindsight, like when her immediate response was like, okay, I'm on. It was more sarcastic being like, I'm not listening to you. Like you're gonna tell me what to do. You're not my boss anymore.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I don't. I didn't feel like she was talking to me. Maybe she.

[A]

No, I felt like she was like number one Alex Cooper, but also like everyone else. Don't tell me what to do. Don't tell me what to say. She's gonna do it on her own. I think that we can sort of say now, like, oh, response. Tik Tok is not coming.

[B]

No, no. And there were, you know, theories that because her original video of her waking up with Sally and her sister was filmed horizontally, that it was being used for their reality show. And this was just like a sneak peek and this. And yes, I. I agree now. And in that video, she's doing, like, a stripper pole class dancing. And you see there's a camera crew. They keep, like, popping in and out of frame on the left side. So, yeah, she pretty much confirmed that this whole thing will be addressed in her reality show. And, like, I do respect the hustle, and, you know, it's like us with Patreon. Like, I get it.

[A]

Yeah. But Patreon, we can do it immediately.

[B]

It's instant, and this is actually just simply not gonna work for me.

[A]

Yeah. I want to just also say, like, this is a crazy response. Like, the pole dancing. The pole. And that's what I like about her. Like, and because I do feel like I'm really a different generation than her, the way that she's like, like, moving in this saga is so unexpected to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Even posting the video of herself watching the thing and then just, like, laughing and nothing else, I'm like, wait, that's. That's just, like, not what I would expect. So, again, this pole dancing video, I'm like, these are crazy ways to handle it. But she's like, seriously, such a pro and so good at what she does that I. I have no doubt in her. I'm just like, wow, we're. We're from a different time.

[B]

And also, I don't know if this is a part of it, because so much of what she's been posting doesn't seem strategic at all. But, like, you know, never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake. Like, she. Alex Cooper posted this video. I think it completely backfired. Had such a negative. I'm now seeing. I met Alex Earl on a plane once, and she was night and imax Alex Cooper. And she bullied me. You know, like, going back, combing through every video she's ever posted, it's had a very negative and I think backfired effect on Alex Cooper. So, like, why would Alex Earl interrupt that? Like, you started this. I'm all good. Everybody loves me. And I haven't even said anything yet. Like, I'm sad.

[A]

It's true. That's a really good point.

[B]

I mean, I wouldn't respond, like, because, you know, the Internet is so. Remember dramageddon it was like, James's video came out. Oh, yeah. Justice for James. And the Tati's videos came out. Oh, James is disgusting. He's a pedophile. Like, the Internet is so fickle that, you know what? Like, yeah, I would be sad, too. Even though, like, personally, I'm disappointed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In terms of, like, she's trying to win this. Even though she does need to tell her friend Brianna Chicken Fry to shut the up, because I think that's kind of been the only, like, bad look for Team Alex Earl is Brianna Chicken Fry like, inserted herself right in the middle and hyped up Alex Earl Moore being like, well, I hate you because what you did to my friend. And I cannot wait for my friend to tell everyone. Then her friend doesn't say anything. And then Brianna Chicken finally keeps teasing this podcast episode where she spills, like, all this tea. And I guess it came out yesterday, and I don't think it moved. Nobody moved. I don't think it made a real impact. And she's just, like, going on and on about her and Grace again, and it's like, so that's, like, the only thing that's sort of, like, not rocking on Team licks.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And because I think out of all of this, Alex Cooper has looked the best, and I think, like, provided the most proof. And, like, she. I feel like she's been sort of vindicated, Justified in the Alex. I mean, in the Brianna Chicken Fry thing.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, I would agree. So this is where we are at now. I guess we'll wait for the show. Hopefully they can do it lickety split. And I guess it does incentivize Netflix to put her on the air sooner. You know, sometimes you have to, like, wait for your air time. Like, look at Love thy nadir. But, like, if you're dangling this in front of Netflix, like, this is literally one of the top three stories of pop culture this year so far. It's just been a really competitive year so far. They're gonna feel incentivized to get it up. And that's. That's a pretty good move on her part. But I agree with what you said. It's just, like, not strategic the way she's moving, and that's just, like, so refreshing to me. Like, I. I. And just so unexpected.

[B]

I guess it's very Gen Z. I don't know.

[A]

This is.

[B]

These are not my people, but, yeah. And, like, in the days of yore, like, the drama I've always participated in, it's been, like, extremely well timed, extremely strategic. Crisis pr. Like. I guess she doesn't give a like. Or. Or at least that's what she wants to put out. That she doesn't care. Unbothered.

[A]

Also, for how history will remember this saga, I would like to propose, like, another title.

[B]

We don't have a good one.

[A]

Okay, what about Al Magaddon? Just think about it.

[B]

So I love it. I. Like, I don't know if we can also use Armageddon again, you know, like. But I love it.

[A]

Okay. Just, you know, I feel like I've thrown out a lot of options. Like, at, like, licks for select.

[B]

You've done your part.

[A]

Licks for sex is just a little chewy.

[B]

A little chewy.

[A]

Chewy. Like, it's got a lot of syllables. Like, like, you know what I mean? Al Mageddon sort of rolls off the tongue. Speaking of, we also need to talk about the most recent tea by the sea that Dave put out about what he. And also what he has heard. Because I feel like he's been waiting for both sides and now he's just like, wants to pontificate on the situation and so he's sharing what he's heard, which was.

[B]

Yes. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Which was a new tidbit that Alex Earl wanted to leave unwell, as we all know. And Alex could have really wouldn't let her and instead more or less blackmailed her into staying.

[B]

Yeah. Like with a recording or something.

[A]

And like, trying, like, threatening to cancel her.

[B]

Well, that backfired.

[A]

Yeah. And if that's true, I have a zero tolerance policy.

[B]

Of course. I would hope so.

[A]

I have a zero tolerance policy for blackmail and cancellation. Just so you know.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I don't give grace there, but I will.

[B]

And I feel like you're referencing like, that where that's happened before. Who.

[A]

No, no. I just think that's an awful thing to do.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Like, that's different. Like, because all who acts like that,

[B]

who does she think she's James Gandolfini. Like, that's insane.

[A]

No, but also, like, I could understand, you know, Alex R. Wants to leave the network. But you signed a contract. Sorry, you don't like it. Sorry. Like, so I'm just not automatically team Earl for wanting to leave. Like, I understand this is a business, you know, blah, blah, blah. So I could have a little bit of tolerance for running a business, but I don't have tolerance for blackmail and extortion.

[B]

I'm glad to hear that you and I are aligned, like, philosophically on that. I think a lot of people are as well.

[A]

I'M just saying, like, that if anyone wanted to know where I stand, that's like, Liz was always posing. What's that meme from?

[B]

I think I hate crime. I'm violently against it.

[A]

I'm against crime slay. Yeah. So, yes, I'm against blackmail, extortion, and threatening cancellation.

[B]

Agreed.

[A]

No good.

[B]

That has no place in our community.

[A]

I'm crying.

[B]

So I guess this sort of, like, marks the end for now.

[A]

We'll put a pin in it, and then what do you.

[B]

I don't want to put a pin in it. I was having so much fun.

[A]

I think little things. Well, like, it could be, like, fourth and fifth stories, like, maybe throughout the week, you know, if chicken fry keeps yapping, and I don't want that yapping.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And De Maximo.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So we'll see. Let's just set it down for. It's gotten. You know, I think we do need to cool off.

[B]

It got a little crazy.

[A]

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Something that's getting crazier is summer house drama. Two things. Two things. Things. First, Amanda and Wes Wilson were spotted enjoying a baseball game. They were at the Yankees game. They were put on the jumbotron, and they kissed.

[B]

Okay. They were put on the jumbotron, which is so crazy because, like, where they put us on the jumbotron. When you go to a sporting event, there are two types of people on the jumbotron. They do, like, a celebrity row, you know, like, famous people at the game. And then they also just put, like, randos. And I have a hard time believing they just, like, have to been to have chosen these two random.

[A]

They're. The person doing the camera knew who they are.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

And then the lip readers say that when they were on the jumbotron, Amanda

[A]

said, look like you, like, act like you like me. And I just want to say I usually don't go for stuff like this, but I. Someone slowed it down, and they played it over and over and over again. And by the end, you can see act like you like me, you know? And then he gives her a peck. And then he, like, looks, like, so miserable, and, like, he's regretting every choice that he made over the last two months. Obviously. Also, like, doesn't want to look that way and appear that way. And I think does care about Amanda. It's not gonna just, like, leave her. But I'm just telling you, this guy is not having a good time.

[B]

Oh, my God. He has one foot out the door. But I think they both have made A commitment to one another. Because this thing is so bad if they don't at least date for a couple of months. Like, if it was just a one time thing. It's so bad for her. It's bad for both of them. I think he knows that, like, the situation will get worse if he ends up doing to Amanda what he does to every girl. So he has to, like, act like he's not a piece of shit for a couple of months. But I think he can't stand her.

[A]

I just want him to. I don't need him to now prove, like, that he's not that guy. Like with Amanda, like, no, but like

[B]

we always say, like, well, if they get married, like, this wasn't so bad.

[A]

He's allowed to stay being him. They're not getting married, Claudia. They can't even make it away.

[B]

It's not, of course, but the situation lessens, like the crime lessons the longer they are together, you know?

[A]

Yeah, but if they.

[B]

It wasn't just this one night stand,

[A]

it would have been better as a one night stand. Because that's a mistake that can be forgiven. The situation that they're in right now, this moment is the absolute worst one of, like, we are going to throw away everything we don't care about. You, your feelings, our fans, etc. To explore a feeling that's like, not even really strong enough. Because we're not gonna make it.

[B]

Yes. I also don't know. I think they're both, like, relatively committed to just emerging 100, not like a slow re entry. They just want to be out and about. Like, I think they think it'll, like, quicken up the process of whatever's gonna happen. But I don't know why the hell she went to that game. She was so fabissa. Now the whole time, every picture, every video, she has her feet up on the chair in front of her, which is just disrespectful, you know? And she just looks so miz. And then she's on the jumbotron.

[A]

Child sits like that.

[B]

She looked like a. Like a petulant toddler.

[A]

Like, I was like, mad that they had to go to this event, so don't. Yeah, not a good. Not a good showing.

[B]

And I think this week is a summer house reunion taping. So, like, I personally cannot wait. I need them to just air it completely unedited. Like, I don't want to miss a minute. I'll watch. I know they take like 12 hours. Okay, I'll watch. 12 hours.

[A]

Yeah. Like streaming on Peacock. The Way I feel about Amanda now is like, how I felt about Lucy and Tell Me Lies.

[B]

Like, yes, that's the perfect.

[A]

I think, like, I guess Amanda could, like.

[B]

No, she really can't.

[A]

To a different country or something. But that's a bummer. Yeah.

[B]

It's hard to champion people who don't champion themselves.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's the great Gracie Lou Freebush once said, people care about people that care about themselves.

[A]

But it seems like she only cared about herself in this situation and that. And that didn't work.

[B]

No, I was just making, like, a movie reference. But I appreciate you using it as a moment to not agree with my call.

[A]

No, I was just using it as a moment. You know, I was really internalizing what you said. So next time I should just skim over what you say when.

[B]

Like, when it's a movie reference. Yeah, Like, I was just referencing a great quote.

[A]

So I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm actually disagreeing with Gracie Lou Free Bush and the writers.

[B]

You do not agree with. People care about people who care about

[A]

themselves to a degree. But I would say this is the exact.

[B]

She was saying it on, like, a more physical level. Being a girl. Put a clip in your hair. People care about people who care about themselves.

[A]

That I. That I agree with.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, like, I think Amanda care about men's self a little too much here.

[B]

Agreed, agreed.

[A]

Should have cared about other self care.

[B]

Yeah. Sierra's Glamour article, like, was extremely well received. She was talking about that kind of now famous photo of her in the. In the white dress sitting on the street. And she was.

[A]

She's not filming.

[B]

But she's not filming.

[A]

You said it like that.

[B]

I did. Honestly, it is my new vocal stam. Oh, my God. And what's her name? Out with Marciano. Is she okay? She's lost me. Do you see? They went to a concert together, like, holding hand.

[A]

She was on his shoulders up until now. I just was able to tell myself that she's, like, doing this for the show and, like, to me, move the story along.

[B]

But Jackie. But they're not filming.

[A]

But they're not filming. And, like, going to a Lonnie concert, like, that's. That's a lot. And I think they're, like, actually seeing each other, which is really, really crazy.

[B]

It's crazy because it is a check in Jordan's column, which is insane because nobody hates him more than me. Yeah, but maybe your emotional affair was more serious than everybody made it out to be, like.

[A]

No, I just can't understand the Idea of like this person Marciano, like, almost ruined your life at the time, like, spreading this lie. That was a clear lie. Like, how you could ever, like, want, love and like, be attracted to someone like that ever again. I don't understand that.

[B]

Yeah, you're big age, like, making such a bad decisions. I genuinely, like, I cannot support you.

[A]

I don't understand how you can like, love some like, or even engage with someone who tried to take you down.

[B]

I know Jesse listens to the show. Like, Jesse, listen, we can help you, okay?

[A]

But I am hopeful that she, that there's more than we don't know because she was really so fantastic when I met her. Like, I'm gonna trust my. I'm trusting my fave here.

[B]

I know. And like, the girl that you met, like, wouldn't make a decision like that.

[A]

I'm trusting my fave. I'm going to. Okay.

[B]

Okay. That's really beautiful. Jesse, if you need help, reach out. Okay?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Every time I make like a call to action to Jesse, she responds like, the last time I did it, I was like, jesse, I know it's hard and you have young kids, but please leave your husband. And she DM me like two days before they announced. She was like, we're getting a divorce. Okay, Like, Jesse, tell me this Marciano thing is fake. Like, tell me something.

[A]

Make it make sense. Just make it make sense. Whatever it is, make it make sense.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Also summer house related is that Kyle Cook was spotted King kissing Megan King Edmonds in the streets.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay, Kyle, not only King Edmonds spotted

[B]

after Paige jacket, just Megan King. She dropped the Edmonds for me.

[A]

Like, I.

[B]

She will always be mke.

[A]

Yes. Yes, Jackie.

[B]

When I saw this, first of all, this is such an amazing, crazy, psychotic story for two reasons. One, like the most unlikely pairing, even though we all forget because he acts like a 17 year old, Kyle Cook

[A]

is well into his 40s, he's 43 and she's 41.

[B]

Oh my God. That's insane that he's older than her. Okay, so like, yes, on its face, it makes sense, right? A 43 year old and a 41 year old who work on the same company. It's like it's giving astronomer. Like, it's just whatever. But this is so crazy for two reasons. Like, one, I. I think this is the craziest, most unlikely pairing of people on the planet. Like, I just can't get over it. And two, the video itself is one of the most disturbing kisses I've ever seen in my life. Like, it's insane. And if a moment, like, it's so personal and intimate, not in, like a sexy way, in an embarrassing way. Like, I could never really be famous. I couldn't like having moments like this recorded and shout out to, like, the random stranger who knew who these people were and, like, stood on the street corner and filmed it.

[A]

They were leaving a Page Six party, so it might have been like another party goer. I don't think it's like, so random, you know, like, they weren't just like, having a quiet night out. And it was like, do you think this is their first kiss kiss?

[B]

I mean, it looked like their first kiss ever with any other human being. Like, the kiss was so platonic.

[A]

That gives, like, not your first kiss with this person then because, like, you do your big one for your first kiss. Like, you kiss in random ways when your later kisses.

[B]

He had both. And he's shorter than her. He had both hands on her shoulders in a sort of like, bro y, like, football kind of way. And then the second it was over, she just, like, grabbed her phone. It was so weird. Like, I seriously, I watched it a hundred times. Like, I couldn't believe it.

[A]

So do you ship?

[B]

No, no, no, no, I don't.

[A]

I don't not ship. Like, I don't hate.

[B]

Megan King Edmonds, like, continues to be one of the craziest women on Bravo. Like, yeah, her impact was like, she. Her time was so short, but her impact was so long lasting.

[A]

Brooks. Brooks. That's so crazy. That was the craziest thing that ever happened on Bravo.

[B]

That is like, forget it because, like, Scandival and now Scamanda.

[A]

But like, yeah, a psychic signal to them that Brooks was faking his cancer. Do you know how crazy that is?

[B]

And she and anyone else who brought it up, it was kind of like Munchausens with Yolanda. Like, obviously this woman had Munchausen. Like, she was completely fine. And yeah, like, shout out. In hindsight, she was the villain. But Lisa Rena was so real for that. Like, there was something deeply wrong with Yolanda Hadid. Mentally, physically, she was fine. And she kind of became the villain for that. Like, for saying the unpopular thing. But I guess you can't prove Munchausen's. You can prove if somebody is faking cancer. And it was extremely brave of her to actually say it out loud. Like, yeah, we all just could have, like, tossed aside what the psychic said, but she called that facility Newport Imaging.

[A]

That is so crazy. That was so crazy.

[B]

Faking cancer is like a thing, is it? Yeah, it's like a trope. Like, people do it a lot. There's a girl on Tick Tock who I didn't know the backstory. Her content comes up for me all the time because she makes, like, big Sunday roast dinner. She's British, and then she had twins, and, like, I don't know why. She's just, like, always on my for you page. Jacket potato. Like, and then I didn't know. Her backstory was that, like, she had to go fund me and, like, literally faked having cancer. Yeah. Like, it's just a thing people do. It's so crazy.

[A]

I'm unfamiliar.

[B]

Oh, yeah. No, the crazies are. Are holding it down.

[A]

Are you ready for our next story?

[B]

Three.

[A]

Number three.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's a little more reality TV news. I would say. These were the first three stories are the top three stories of the year. Number three right now being Taylor, Frankie Paul, speaking out in the most direct way that she has since all of the Bachelor drama went down. And now that her cuss, her domestic violence thing was thrown out, she is speaking out. So she posted three pictures of herself looking very thin and unwell. And she said, here come the ugly parts of what healing actually looks like. If you know me, you know I'll admit my parts flaws and faults. I'm well aware that's a part of it. We'll get there. This public atrocity that I not only lived through once, but twice now on an even bigger scale was ultimately the cost of my freedom. I wouldn't wish this upon my worst enemy or even to the ones who publicized it. I cried on my knees in pain while also saying, thank you. We have a road ahead. But regardless, I'm forever freed from a certain living hell I couldn't find my way out of. Metaphorically, someone witnessed me bleeding out and poured salt all over me. Somehow, I'm still here, as we can see, barely. Because I believe God helped me through and sent help. Plus an army, which makes me cry because thank you to all of you that supported, even without full context.

[B]

Next.

[A]

God undoubtedly had a hand in this because after waiting seven weeks, on the seventh day exactly, I received the call. All charges dropped. Those are his numbers, symbolic for his plans, which I'm nervous to see. What's in store. Steps moving forward are the very basics we're working on. Eating, movement, rest, and retraining the nervous system. I'll be sharing the process, because if my worst is shared, better bet I'll share the rebuilding too.

[B]

That's great. I just want to Say one thing. I saw this, and I saw also a lot of the pictures that were released. I don't know where they came from, if she released it or, like, it's public pictures.

[A]

I got scrapes and scraps, scrapes and

[B]

bruises on both of them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So while I do think the public doesn't 100 understand, and I can see, I do agree, like, she was in a personal hell, like, and she was being tortured. And I understand what she's saying. Like, the second this all came out, obviously, she was, like, terrified, but also relieved. Right. And I appreciate her, like, you know, sharing this, but I do think the narrative, like, of her being completely blameless is not, like, I. I'm not 100 buying that.

[A]

Oh, I don't think there's a narrative that she's blameless.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No.

[B]

And it's like. And look. And her abuser got her again, and he got her season canceled. And it's like, he's the real abuser. And it's like, I think that it. That they both are.

[A]

I think that they both are. I don't think that she's blameless whatsoever, but I think that she did this really terrible thing because I. I mean, the stuff about with her and Dakota is, like, one thing, but the chair throwing and whatnot, and it all happened, like, very publicly, but I guess, like, she understood that we didn't understand it.

[B]

And.

[A]

And I think in all the seasons, like, she felt like such a bad person. And, like, I felt like even though she was asking for forgiveness, essentially for the last few years, she couldn't get it because nobody knew what they were forgiving. And I feel like now that everything is out there and that, like, this really separates for her from Dakota completely, so she's able to, like, move on from him. Like, everyone can start the process of, like, knowing who she is and what she did. And if there is a way to come back from that, to start that now. But, like, when you can't even start that. She's, like, been in this purgatory. And so I don't find her to be blameless whatsoever. But at a. What. At what point can forgiveness begins?

[B]

Right. Right. And I guess that's the road she's taking. Just, like, religion and. And healing, which I respect and support.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So I'm. It was interesting to hear, though, that that's how she saw it. It's like, the worst thing that ever happened. Like, not the worst thing I ever happened, but, like, a horrible thing to go through it twice now and, like, have Your whole life completely ruined. But it was, like, very freeing for her because it's over. It's over now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And probably getting all these things, like Bachelorette, like always. She always felt unworthy.

[B]

Right. Like, the higher you climb, the farther you fall.

[A]

Right. And so there was really, like, it's. I think she'd rather not have those things and not feel that way.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And feel like a fraud and now just, like, be her and move forward.

[B]

I mean, I can see a world in which she continues filming.

[A]

I could, too. I feel like they're not filming right now. I do imagine that. That the executives are taking the temperature of what people would watch again, you know? Right.

[B]

And how all this is, like, being received.

[A]

They seem to really love her because even when she did this the first time and they picked back up and they always gave her special treatment, they've always, like, I imagine that they want her to film.

[B]

Yeah. And the show has not picked up cameras since this whole saga.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what the path forward would be. I wonder if she even wants to. Or she's like.

[B]

I know. Like, it's just being an influencer. Like, enough. Like, you can make money. You can make a living.

[A]

And, like, made so much money over the past few years and lives very modestly. Modestly. You know, even her clothes. She's borrowing dresses from Jesse. She was living in the same house, but she moved to just a different house of the same size just to, like, clear herself of the memories. I wouldn't be surprised if she has a lot of money in the bank.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

And doesn't need to be a celebrity like this anymore. And she. She'll always be an influencer because she always is just sharing. That's who she is. That's why her fans, like, love her so much. She shares, like, all the ugliest parts of her life, so she'll always have, like, an audience and can work in that sense. Not at the level that she was, but I think she has a lot of money.

[B]

Yeah. I agree. She definitely lives, like, a low, low budget.

[A]

She wears, like, Crocs and men's clothing, like, sweatpants.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't. I don't know where she would have been spending her money over the last few years.

[B]

I just think that, like, if she were to be asked to film again, I feel like it does also give a pass to Dakota, like, that he can also film stuff again. Even though I guess he is. He's on that turn.

[A]

Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

[B]

I Mean, I feel like nobody gets that, actually.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's the secret lives of Mormon wives. Dead beat husbands.

[A]

And I think that one, she could, if they wanted her to film again, she could say, I will not film with him. And they don't have to put him on just because she's on, because it is the wives and they're not together, you know, so you sort of lose your spot. That's simple to me.

[B]

No. And that's what's annoying.

[A]

And Hulu did edit him out of Vanderpump Villa, so they're obviously not with him.

[B]

Good. I like. Good. I hate him so much. I don't hate her. Yeah, I hate him.

[A]

Yeah. It's just hard because, like, we still don't have, like, you know, it's all inferencing and I feel like. I know.

[B]

No, there are things that I know. I think she's made a lot of mistakes, like, really bad judgment, especially when it comes to her parenting. But I don't think she's a bad person.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think Dakota Mortensen is a bad person. Evil walks among us.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's the difference.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, so I can forgive a person who makes mistakes?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I can't forgive an evil person.

[A]

I think there's no reason why he has to film if she is like, period. And Hulu should know.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I feel the same way about Jordan, too. Like, once you're out, you're out. Please. I don't want to keep seeing these guys.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Unfortunately, though, I think we will.

[A]

I do think they realize that they sort of ruined the last season with the men and they would. They would pull back from that, regardless.

[B]

Good guess. And they don't forget that the men ruined this show.

[A]

They would be fools to not have realized that.

[B]

Agreed.

[A]

So we'll see. We shall see. Are you ready for our fourth story?

[B]

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T U R T. You're welcome. J U R T. Our next story, Coachella weekend. Two lots of cameos. We had Madonna on stage with Sabrina. We had Olivier on stage with Addison or oh, that was weird. And Billie Eilish and Big Sean on stage with Justin Bieber.

[B]

Okay, I want to say something. Also Kylie was there. You know, she's Like Justin Bieber's number one fan. And like, it hurts my feelings that she doesn't go to Sabrina and. Or if she does, she like doesn't post about it. Like, does she not like Sabrina? I feel like Kylie's. So Sabrina.

[A]

I do too. And she did a tick tock to house tour, so she's not like anti.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I think maybe it's like too early and she's not gonna be there like all night long. You know, I feel like Sabrina's the night before.

[B]

Sabrina's the last one the night before.

[A]

Right. Oh, I don't know.

[B]

I love Sabrina. Love that Madonna moment. You know, I always remember one of my favorite movies to reference. What am I about to say? Gaga, 5 foot 2, one of the best celebrity documentaries out there, like, ever. And she's like really drunk, talking to Mark Ronson, smoking a cigarette outside. And she's talking about. They won't, they won't say what moment she's referencing. But the Internet people were quickly, you know, able to gather that she's talking about how like Madonna. I guess it's like Lady Gaga's idol, Madonna. And like, I guess I could see it. She fancies herself like a modern Madonna and Madonna, like hates Lady Gaga. Especially when Lady Gaga, like first came on the scene, Madonna, like was making really nasty public statements about her. So it's like clear like Madonna. And you can see based on like how she looks, she's not. Not like down to be sunsetted. Right. Like, there is no new Madonna because Madonna's still here. She tours, you know. And so to see her sort of pass the baton to a younger performer, that's like not the Madonna way. You know, she doesn't play like that. So I was happy to see that for Sabrina. But like, I. Part of me was thinking about Lady Gaga.

[A]

Oh, interesting. Yeah. It's like if I thought about who the next Madonna is, I wouldn't have thought about Sabrina. But I do think that, like, what they did together was sort of perfect. Especially like a prayer. The imagery is very briner and very Madonna.

[B]

It's very briner. And the, the musical transition was fabulous. Wanna try it on?

[A]

Freaky.

[B]

Have you ever tried this one? And then it was Madonna. I like that. The beginning of it just like, I'll take you there. It was. Yes, I agree. Like, the aesthetics, like sex aligned and I had no problem with it. Like, I just thought it was interesting. And I wonder what Lady Gaga thought about it. Yeah, because Lady Gaga was where Sabrina was at. Not only did Madonna not Champion her. She actually put her down.

[A]

I understand. And I feel like Lady Gaga has worked through that. You know, I feel like Lady Gaga

[B]

now, like, hates Madonna and, like, she, like, really does.

[A]

Yeah, probably great. But Madonna wasn't ready then.

[B]

Great.

[A]

And that was, like, 15 years ago.

[B]

No. Five foot two. Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Lady Gaga was coming up like we were in high school.

[B]

Yeah. I guess, like, just dance.

[A]

Yeah. So I think, like, now Madonna feels more ready to pass the baton, and she's passing it to Breener. Or we're just reading too much into it. It was just a cameo and, like, she just sings and, like, who would

[B]

turn down an opportunity to be at Coachella?

[A]

Yeah. And, like, I don't know that it's a passing of the baton more so it's just a collaboration, but I know she doesn't see.

[B]

Maybe she doesn't see it, but it is a passing of the baton. It is.

[A]

Speaking of Sabrina, Olivia Rodrigo joined Addison Ray. Love what you just did there, Addison Ray for headphones on a live debut of Olivia's new single, Drop Dead. So Olivia sort of had a big weekend because she put out a new single and music video. She joined Addison on stage when it was very bright out, and when Sabrina performed at night, yeah, it was really bright.

[B]

I, like, one thing about me that's so crazy is, like, I've been an Addison Ray fan since day one, and I think she's, like, one of the weirdest, worst performers. Like, I don't like her music. It's not made for me. Like, I can't believe, like, that my girl who, like, I loved her and she's all that, like.

[A]

Like.

[B]

Like, this is what she does. Like, her music. I get that it's like, performance art and sure, I don't get it. Like, sue me. I don't get it.

[A]

I. I honestly don't watch it because I find it to be, like, upsetting for, like, my belief in her. Like, I don't want it.

[B]

Maybe we're just old. Sachi loves it.

[A]

I know. I don't want to know what's going on. Like, I. I've recognized that it's not for me. The outfits are not for me. The songs, like, everything, they're not iconic to me. Like, I can't believe people even know the words to some of them.

[B]

Like, it's not music. Not to sound like an actual grandma, but it's literally just noise.

[A]

And so then she's, like, wearing this, like, showgirl outfit with, like, a purple American apparel sweater. Like, I'll never understand. I'll never understand.

[B]

And then Olivia Rodrigo.

[A]

I just don't think about it because it's incongruous for me with what we've,

[B]

like, known Addison to be like. And everybody slept on, I think, her original attempt at being a pop star. Do you say you're obsessed with me? So I took a second and I said, me too. And I don't even think she sings that song. Like, that's what's so insane when she performs now. And then her, like, lesser known follow up hit, which was to die for my nails. To die for. This sexy die for. We all want something to die for. Like, it was good. And then people didn't appreciate it. So she, like, rejiggered and, like, worked with Charlie xcx. Like, this is what we got. And I'm sorry, Like, it's not for me.

[A]

And that song, baby, I don't like it.

[B]

And that's the only song that I feel sounds like a song. And, like, it's not my favorite, but I can see how it's a song. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I see, like, there's a verse and there's choruses. Like, I get it.

[A]

I actually don't even want to talk about this because it's, like, hurtful.

[B]

No, sorry. All that to say Olivia Rodrigo comes on.

[A]

I don't think about it because it's, like, in congress with what I wanted for her.

[B]

I just want to say about Olivia Rodrigo, like, yeah, she did have this big weekend because she had a new single, and I feel like it was just kind of a weird, like, launch. Don't you find?

[A]

Like, yeah, I think going on stage with Addison when it's so light outside when Sabrina's headlining, like, you can't do that if you're Olivia Rodriguez and you shouldn't do that because we're just gonna compare the time of day.

[B]

And I think if you want to criticize Olivia Rodrigo, like, you could if you wanted to. I don't, but, like, she's an amazing performer. And I thought the performance with Addison was so bad and, like, vocally off, visually off. Like, the whole thing was so weird.

[A]

And it's like, Olivia Rodrigo could perform on her headline at Coachella. Maybe not headline, but maybe the. The one before. And. And not to say that because she can do that. She shouldn't go on during the daytime because, like, Joe Jonas went on with Teddy Swims and Jonas Brothers. It just, like, when it's Sabrina, like, you just can't do it. I'm Sorry, don't put yourself.

[B]

And by the way, it's vice versa because I remember when I went to Jingle Ball like four years ago, it was like awkward because we literally went for Olivia Rodrigo. Ben was the biggest fan. And Sabrina played like, like two hours before and had like three songs and it was just like, you know, she was on her way up and it was just like. It was awkward.

[A]

Yeah, it's awkward. And those.

[B]

I feel like everyone was talking about

[A]

they need to watch out for one another and they should not be in like the same state on the same weekend or else we're just gonna compare. And in this comparison, Olivia comes out the lesser. Her new song sounded good and I saw her music videos, like her running around versus I in her pajamas and I thought it was so cute.

[B]

Yeah. I also watched this like whole long ass dissertation on her album cover and somebody was talking about like the lost art of the album cover. Like people just put up like blurry pieces of garbage and like make it an album cover. And people like were really applauding her album cover on the swing. It references like a great work of art.

[A]

It's called. Her album's called Love.

[B]

Is it?

[A]

What's it called?

[B]

No. What is it called?

[A]

New album.

[B]

You seem like you like me or something. You seem pretty sad for a girl. What? So in love. That's a long ass title.

[A]

We'll just call it Love.

[B]

Yeah, and she's like flinging backwards through the air on this swing, like a really girly dress.

[A]

That's really cute.

[B]

Yeah. And I think it like references. And maybe it's. It's a painting that's at Versailles. It references like a famous work of art.

[A]

No, and also in her song like, she says something about Versailles, like. Like you look like.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

The angels are playing on the ceiling or something. And so they shut down Versailles and let her run around in her skivvies.

[B]

Soleil. Yeah, the meat cake.

[A]

So cute. I thought that was really cute. I. So I only heard bits of the song, but I liked how it sounded.

[B]

One thing about Olivia Rodrigo, she makes good music.

[A]

Yeah, she really does. So.

[B]

So. Yeah. Oh, and then there was Biebercella where he like kind of gave his all, you know. I feel like he took a little bit of the criticisms from the prior week.

[A]

So he didn't do the YouTube thing again?

[B]

I don't know if he did, but he added a bunch of like older songs that people. When you smile, I smile, like, and sing it in full, you know?

[A]

Yeah. And he's saying one Less lonely girl. Billie Eilish went up as the lonely girl. She's the business. I know, but she is, like, the biggest Bieber fan, so.

[B]

No, it was cute. It was cute, actually.

[A]

And then Big Sean came out too.

[B]

And then I also saw Phineas. Yucky. He was there, like, with Billy and his girl, his girlfriend, Claudia. And so, like, Claudia was filming her and Billy, like, singing. And I feel like he doesn't get enough hate for actually, like, living with a girl who is his sister's twin. Like, and I know everybody subconsciously, like, you know, looks for someone who looks like their mom or whatever, but I'm sorry, he, like, went to a factory and had a Billie Eilish clone made. Like, I couldn't tell them apart.

[A]

I just want to say I feel like when Phineas and Claudia started dating at that point in Billy's career, like, Claudia did not look like Billy.

[B]

Oh, I agree.

[A]

Do you think that, if anything, like,

[B]

Billy has, like, she was inspired by Claudia, like, maybe.

[A]

I think people should be looking into that more because I think over the years, Billy has one just matured and also just started looking like Claudia more. But you start to look like the people you hang with. Oh, where do you get your lips done? I'll go there, too. Oh, what hair. Interesting. I feel like Billy's sort of morphing into his brother's girlfriend.

[B]

Maybe she was jealous. Very Teresa and Joe coded. Like, I'm telling you, there's something weird going on there.

[A]

So I don't. I think. I think people have it reversed. Just saying.

[B]

I smell barbecue. Do you ever just, like, randomly smell somebody grilling? I love a smell of barbecue.

[A]

Yeah. Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[B]

Was there anything else from Coachelli?

[A]

Nothing meaningful, I would say. No.

[B]

Kylie was there. Timothy was in Miami. They. She went to Coachella, like, twice in a row and, like, didn't go with

[A]

him, but they do think that he was there weekend wise one. And that just, like, might not be his scene. And she loves it. And with couples sometimes, like, Justin Bieber, you do have to honor, like, your personal hobbies and. And also don't drag your partner into them if you know they're going to be unhappy, because that's how, like, totally fighting and ruining the thing that you once loved.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

Which was like, your weekend at Coachella and you're.

[B]

And then you're crying at Biebercella.

[A]

Yeah. Like, and that stinks up the relationship too. Like, it's good to, you know, know thyself. I think Timothy knows Thyself.

[B]

I would agree.

[A]

Our fifth and final story. He knows.

[B]

He knows Tim self.

[A]

He does know thyself. Anne Hathaway's People's World's Most Beautiful cover Store.

[B]

Store. I love being World's Most People Beautiful covers.

[A]

So Anne had People's Most Beautiful issue is here. And Anne Hathaway is the most beautiful. And I would say everything about this is congruous.

[B]

Yes. I love when things align, and I love when things make sense. Because to me, when I think of People's Most Beautiful or whatever this award is called, to me, it's, like, always Julia Roberts.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like, and I feel that Anne Hathaway is sort of a Julia Roberts of our time. She is where she has this beautiful smile. People just love her. She's so affable. And her movies slay after. Like, there was a time where Julia Roberts. Every movie, boom, boom, boom, hit, hit, hit. And that's kind of Anne Hathaway right now. Like, her picker is good. And she's in every big movie every year.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. This just makes sense. Makes sense. And she's promoting Devil Wears Prada. So she's, like, you know, sitting down for stuff like this.

[B]

Oh, you know what? I'm a little scared because I saw a trailer for Devil Wears Prada. Like, and it wasn't just, like, a kitschy trailer, like, the big one. It was like a different trailer with, like, other scenes, and it looked kind of bad.

[A]

Why?

[B]

I'm scared. Just the acting was giving corny. Like, I'm scared. I'm really scared. It better be good.

[A]

It better be good for all this hoopla.

[B]

Like, I'm. My ass is going to the theater. Like, I'm getting a sitter. Okay.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can't believe it's not out yet.

[B]

We've been talking about it for so long. I know. And the promo is giving, like, a little bit Barbie. They're doing, like, collabs and stuff, but not as annoying. Yeah, they're doing, like, Old Navy.

[A]

They have, like, Starbucks straight drinks for every character.

[B]

Oh, that's cute. Because I guess, like, half the job was getting coffee. That's cute. I will say, like, the partnerships.

[A]

Does Miranda drink Starbucks? Does she drink?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Storebucks.

[B]

She does. You don't remember. Like, she drinks a latte. It has to be, like, a certain number of times. Yes.

[A]

Oh, okay, good.

[B]

And I. I think that, like, the marketing department has been, like, more selective than Barbie. And I think it's been, like, the partnerships. Everything I've seen has been really Good. Like, the Oscars was good. Good. It's good. But, like, just release the movie, you know?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, congratulations to Anne, People's most beautiful. She could also be the COVID of Sports Illustrated.

[B]

She could. As we. Wait, who did you say it was? Oh, Whoopi Goldberg. I guess the jury's still out.

[A]

It could be Whoopi Goldberg, and I think it will be.

[B]

Okay, I'm gonna hold.

[A]

You think it is an Olympian?

[B]

I, like, rescinded. My bad guess, like, weeks ago, so don't hold me to it.

[A]

Okay, well, that's the Fast life stories. I feel as though you needed to know them. That's our show, Turd and I.

[B]

And I feel as though a lot of people will try to take credit for it, but it is ours.

[A]

Yeah. And I feel like you guys know that.

[B]

Dear reader, hopefully, Ben, when you can snap when you have. That's literally Jackie in a line bend. When you can snap when you have to. Because when they. About Jackie, she has like a. I would say, like a tricentennial snap.

[A]

Yeah. You know, I always say I have a very long fuse, but the bomb at the end of it, Shrapnel everywhere.

[B]

Moab. Yeah, it's true.

[A]

Yeah. And. And, yeah, I.

[B]

What does Moab mean?

[A]

Mother of all bombs.

[B]

You're literally like Pete Heg, Seth. Do you know what I mean? Like. Like, your energy is, like, extremely Pete coated.

[A]

1000%.

[B]

I'm cracking. Like, I'm cracking at Moab actually dying. I never heard that. Oh. Oh, my God. I heard the funniest phrase last night. My friend Margot, who, you know, she's just like, so, like you always say, like, a classical piano follows her. She's just not of this type.

[A]

She's an elegant woman.

[B]

She has porcelain skin. She's so, like, seriously, she could have been born in the Victorian age and

[A]

she had to fit right in. Yes. She's a time traveler among us playing.

[B]

We were playing. She is a time traveler. Like, it's insane. Her and her sisters, too, they all have this, like, very classically beautiful look, but it's not.

[A]

Yeah, they're just gorgeous. Yeah, they're beautiful.

[B]

And then their personalities, they're very refined, polite women.

[A]

Elegant women. Yeah. Like little women.

[B]

Yeah. Literally. And so last.

[A]

Not that we've ever read it or saw the movie.

[B]

And we will, though. We will. We were playing mahjong last night, and she was like, oh. And I just folded like a cheap suit. The whole room went silent. I'm like, what did she just say? She was like, oh, she doesn't know that phrase.

[A]

It was a giveaway.

[B]

Her time machine is waiting for her. One more slip up and she has to go back. And like, her hand started to evaporate, you know, because she says to go back. And I just folded like a cheap suit.

[A]

What did she fold over?

[B]

Because we were playing, like, she always wants to leave early. Of course, because the time machine, like, I like to, like, I want to play a lot of games. And she was like, I have to be home by 9:30. I have to be home at 9:30. And Margot Wash was also like, yeah, I want to leave. I want to leave. So we're finishing the last game. And I was like, we please play one more. And Margot Astray was like, no. Like, I'm like setting a boundary. And Margot Fish was like, I mean, I could play. And then Margot Ashtray was like, okay, fine, I will too. And Margot Fish was like, oh, look at me just folding like a cheap suit.

[A]

That's so funny. Did Margot Washer really say she has to set a boundary on time for mahjong?

[B]

So actually, Ben was cracking me up. We did, like, it was actually a hilarious game of Bajang. Like, we were playing this game and Margot, the Margos had both decided that it was going to be their last. And Ben was like, no, come on, let's play one more. And oh yeah, this is how it went. Marco was like, I'll play one more. I feel like this is a boring story. Whatever. She's like, I'll play one more. And Margot was like, no. Who's no? You know what? I decided I want to tell the story anymore because I don't really remember how it happened. And everyone's name is Margo. And I'm like, I just want to

[A]

say if Margo said, you need to set a boundary for the end of mahjong, you need to beat that out of her.

[B]

She said to Margot Fish, who was like, yeah, I just fold like a cheap suit. And Margo's like, no, I'm good about setting boundaries.

[A]

And those are from different time periods, kids.

[B]

Margaret Roshi is from the future. Like, okay, now that's our show, ttfn. Thanks so much for listening to the Toes of Money morning show. We live the outside stories. You need your money friend on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe. Give us a thumbs up. We're also available as podcast. Podcast found Spotify public video. I kiss on the place. Podcasting a weekly Talented. I hope you guys have an amazing day, and we'll see you tomorrow.

[A]

Love you. Bye.