Break Up Season: Wednesday, January 8th, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast - "Break Up Season"

Episode Details:

• Title: The Toast
• Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry (Dear Media)
• Episode: Break Up Season
• Release Date: January 8, 2025

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Opening Banter

The episode begins with Jackie and Claudia welcoming listeners and engaging in lighthearted conversation about surviving "hump day." They humorously discuss Claudia borrowing a favorite sweater from Jackie, highlighting their close friendship and adjustments during Claudia's pregnancy.

Jackie [00:51]: "What's meant for you will find you. That sweater is meant for you."

Devastating Wildfires in Los Angeles

Jackie and Claudia address the catastrophic wildfires ravaging Los Angeles, emphasizing the unprecedented scale and the acute disparities between affluent communities and those with fewer resources. They reflect on the visual devastation and express deep concern for the firefighters battling the relentless blaze.

Claudia [02:16]: "It's a biblical level of atrocities happening in Los Angeles right now."

They discuss the poignant image of celebrities evacuating in helicopters while others flee on foot, underscoring the stark socioeconomic divide exacerbated by the disaster.

Claudia [03:11]: "It really highlights the discrepancy between what people live like in LA."

Political Accountability: The Role of Mayors

The conversation shifts to the critical role of mayors in city management, particularly during crises. Jackie and Claudia critique the public's tendency to blame mayors for broader issues, questioning the effectiveness of local leadership and the complexities of political accountability.

Jackie [28:00]: "There's no right way. There's no way to tell what happened without pissing the other person off a little bit."

They debate the challenges mayors face in addressing large-scale problems and the public's often oversimplified expectations.

Health Trends: Salt and Cholesterol in 2025

The duo delves into current health trends, noting a resurgence of salt as a dietary staple and shifting perspectives on cholesterol. They examine how these trends reflect evolving understandings of nutrition and wellness.

Jackie [07:41]: "Cholesterol is good for you. They said one day it was bad for you."

Claudia connects these trends to personal health experiences, offering insights into family health and the broader implications of these nutritional shifts.

Navigating Pregnancy and Health Challenges

Claudia shares her recent experience with a pelvic exam, discussing the discomfort and the doctor's recommendations for physical therapy to address her coccydynia. Jackie empathetically supports Claudia's journey, emphasizing the importance of following medical advice.

Claudia [08:32]: "She told me to sit. So if you ever see me sitting like this, just know I'm trying to survive."

Fast Five Stories

In their signature "Fast Five" segment, Jackie and Claudia cover five major stories of the day:

1. Austin Butler and Kaia Gerber's Breakup

   The hosts discuss the end of Austin Butler and Kaia Gerber's three-year relationship, speculating on the reasons behind the split and its impact on Kaia's career trajectory.

   Claudia [23:24]: "If you're not growing together, you're growing apart."

2. Craig Conover and Paige DeSorbo's Split

   Craig Conover reveals that Paige DeSorbo initiated their breakup after three years together. The hosts empathize with Craig's experience, comparing it to personal feelings about breakups.

   Claudia [26:08]: "It made me so sad. Like, that is literally like your life partner."

3. Nikki Glaser's Golden Globes Hosting Fee

   Nikki Glaser discloses her $400,000 fee for hosting the Golden Globes, with promises of increased compensation for future hosting gigs. Jackie and Claudia debate the fairness and transparency of pay discrepancies among hosts.

   Jackie [55:00]: "The job is the same amount of work for everyone, so people should get paid the same."

4. Scarlett Johansson Co-Hosting NBC's "Today with Jenna and Friends"

   Scarlett Johansson is set to co-host NBC’s "Today with Jenna and Friends" for a week. The hosts speculate on her motivations, considering potential projects or personal reasons behind her guest hosting role.

   Jackie [61:20]: "Maybe she saw Morning Show and it's just like the idea for a week."

5. Allison Twitch's Memoir and Public Fallout

   Allison Twitch, the wife of the late Twitch (a dancer and public figure), releases a memoir detailing her late husband's struggles with addiction. Her revelations spark controversy and backlash from friends, family, and the public, leading to heated discussions about privacy and public perception.

   Claudia [43:11]: "It's morally bankrupt to do."

TV Recap: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

Jackie and Claudia provide a detailed recap of the latest episodes of "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills," focusing on Erica Jane's ambitious home renovation and the evolving dynamics among the cast members. They express admiration for Erica's personal growth and critique the show's production quality and narrative choices.

Claudia [68:05]: "She looks so at peace. It's really crazy, the journey that she's gone on."

They analyze character developments, emphasizing the authenticity and emotional depth portrayed in the latest season.

Closing Remarks

The episode concludes with Jackie and Claudia encouraging listeners to engage with their content across various platforms, highlighting their commitment to delivering informed and entertaining discussions.

Claudia [82:19]: "Thank you so much. Love you. Bye."

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This detailed summary captures the essence of "Break Up Season," highlighting key discussions, notable quotes with timestamps, and providing a structured overview for those who haven't listened to the episode.

Transcript

[Jackie]

Good morning, millennials.

[Claudia]

Welcome back to the toast and happy Wednesday. It's hump day.

[Jackie]

It's Wednesday, Claude. Want to see if we can make a W with our hands? I know we can.

[Claudia]

How? We would do it like, that wouldn't even be a W jacket. It would be, like, a square.

[Jackie]

Like, we're just a couple of squares here.

[Claudia]

It's hump day. Don't forget to hump someone you love. And speaking of somebody I love and who I'm hoping isn't too mad at me right now, why would I be mad at you? Because I took the sweater from your closet and brought it home with me.

[Jackie]

What sweater is that?

[Claudia]

It's a Hatch maternity cardigan. Like, oh, my gosh.

[Jackie]

It's a staple in a pregnant lady's wardrobe. I would bequeath it to you. I'm glad that you.

[Claudia]

Okay. Because I've been, like, wanting to wear for a couple of days. I'm like, let me just soften the blow. Like, not come back from her house and immediately, like, show the spoils of my. My raid have you.

[Jackie]

What's meant for you will find you. That sweater is meant for you. It was one of my favorite pregnancy staples.

[Claudia]

Tell you, it's a little snug.

[Jackie]

I'm glad it's made its way to you.

[Claudia]

Thank you for your support and for not being angry with me. And that's definitely a fun part about being pregnant. Like, people really don't get angry with you.

[Jackie]

But you also know a fun fact about me that I think is unexpected is that, like, I love to share my things with people.

[Claudia]

I'm so glad you brought that up. I was thinking about that the other day because I was taking stock of my clothing and my life and all these beautiful things that I have. Like, I really won't be able to get back into for quite some time. And how I kind of feel detached from these things that used to, like, I felt kind of possessive over in a material way. And I'm like, oh, that must be, like, where, Jackie. Because I think it was around the time where, like, you really started being very generous with your things. Like, you always lend people purses and beautiful jewelry and clothing. And I think it was also around the time where you, like, started to have babies, where you just feel, like, less detached, less attached to these material things. And I'm definitely feeling that. But that's mostly because, like, I don't fit into any of them.

[Jackie]

Right. So now would you feel like, oh, I want to. I want Margot to wear this.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Like, If Margot came over and one of my, like, my dresses, I'd be.

[Jackie]

Like, go, yeah, that's how I feel. And even now, like, I. The most recent thing that I bought, like, if you wanted to wear it, you had the perfect occasion. Like, I would joyously let you borrow.

[Claudia]

I'm feeling that way. Honestly, I am. And for me, it's less, like, out of the goodness of my heart and more so, like, well, it's just sitting there.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

You know. Right. Right before we dive in would be. Rdh. Not to mention the absolute, like, biblical level of atrocities happening in Los Angeles right now. I feel like I'm seeing so much stuff because so much happened overnight, but these wildfires that have, like, literally ravaged entire communities, and I feel like this happens. Like, it's definitely seasonal. I feel like we talk about it once a year, but this one definitely feels bigger and different and really scary and, like, unstoppable. And it gives me such a pit because, like, just the footage of it is so apocalyptic. It's like, literally things you see in a movie, and it's so sad. I know we have, like, a lot of listeners who live in the area and are either evacuating or. And you know what else? Like, these. Whenever we talk about this, I feel like in L. A it always also, like, really highlights, because we're always, like, reporting. I even saw this morning, like, so sad. Spencer and Heidi's entire house burned down. Like, obviously, that's so sad. But they got out their kids, like, they're okay. I feel like it also really highlights, like, the discrepancy between, like, the rich and poor in LA because, like, literally, these celebrities are out, like, with their helicopters, just, like, jetting out.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Going to their other house.

[Claudia]

And then, like, literally, people who are in the hospital, running on foot, like, it makes. Abandoning cars on the highway, like, it makes me so sad, like, the discrepancy between, like, what. Just what people live like, in that area. I mean, everywhere. But in la, specifically, with all the celebrities, it gives me so much and.

[Jackie]

What their options are also for, like, older people, I know. Just. It's really, really sad. Biblical is, like, a good way to describe it because it's, like, such a crazy scale and it's not being extinguished at the moment. Like, it's raging. It's.

[Claudia]

I don't know, advancing.

[Jackie]

Will go on for so. Really. Yeah, I agree. Thinking of them today, and even as we talk, as we will talk about celebrities later in the show, like, that's kind of the big thing going on with Celebrities, a lot of them evacuating their homes. And it's just a really terrible thing.

[Claudia]

It really is. And just like, firefighters are the most brave people in the entire world, and I'm just praying for them and their families and, like, may this end swiftly.

[Jackie]

Yeah, agreed.

[Claudia]

Although it doesn't appear to be the case. So just wanted to, like, it feels like, to open your phone and like, that's all I'm seeing, that this feels so trivial. So I just wanted to, like, acknowledge that.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Stay safe, seriously.

[Claudia]

And evacuate. Like, if you're being told to evacuate, it's for a reason.

[Jackie]

Right, right.

[Claudia]

So important to listen to evacuation policy.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So.

[Claudia]

Oh, and not. Not the mayor of LA being, like, out of town. Yikes.

[Jackie]

Yikes.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I'm just feeling like actually recently, like, targeting a lot of mayors, you know, that's like, kind of my thing.

[Jackie]

I feel like sometimes people act like politics, it's too big to understand, you know, they can't actually change things on the ground. Like, people act like that. But when it comes to, like, mayors, it's like, no, you did that. Like, you did or did not do that.

[Claudia]

That happens a lot in New York, like, directly. But that's also the New York culture is to, like, whenever there' convenience in your life, great or small, like, it is always the mayor's fault. And I love that. Like, as a community, we are always collectively, like, just blaming the mayor, but, like, it is a thousand percent, you know, and it's like everyone, no matter what you do for a living, all walks of life, socioeconomic backgrounds, even the greatest of mayors, like, hate, you know?

[Jackie]

No, but I feel like then when you're a good mayor, like, if you could be a good mayor, I don't know why it's so hard for some people. Like, it seems pretty common sense, some of the policies.

[Claudia]

Let me tell you something.

[Jackie]

I don't know, I guess because I guess they have a hard time.

[Claudia]

Would you say, like, was the last good mayor of New York who, like, everybody agrees was good?

[Jackie]

Oh, well, I mean, I think a lot of people think that Bloomberg was a good mayor, but, like, Giuliani was a great.

[Claudia]

No, that was like, like a different time. But I think, like, Bloomberg, like, everybody.

[Jackie]

Like, now is like 2000.

[Claudia]

Yeah, it was the 80s, but with Bloomberg, like, everybody now would, like, respects Bloomberg. His legacy is, like, pretty intact, let me tell you. At the time, every cab driver, the worst, every bodega owner under their fucking Bloomberg, like, it's just a part of culture here. It's kind of Really a beautif. Bipartisan thing. We all do that. We hate the mayor.

[Jackie]

Well, he was, like a good mayor compared to what came next. But, like, at the time, like, he was doing those little times squares.

[Claudia]

No, let's not forget Bloomberg was the one who, like, wanted to ban the big sodas. What are you doing?

[Jackie]

Wanted to take salt off the table. It's like, get a job.

[Claudia]

Get a job, bruv.

[Jackie]

There's bigger things.

[Claudia]

Yeah. It's so true.

[Jackie]

And like, salt. You see what they say about salt? Now, salt is good for you.

[Claudia]

We talk about salt briefly. Yeah, it's so good. Like, I.

[Jackie]

It's so crazy how you can make a recipe, use thousands of ingredients, and you taste it. It's like salt. You just need salt.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And I feel that, like, seasoning and this is, like, a big. It's also kind of. It happens a lot on social media, and it's, like, very racial, where, like, white people don't like seasoning. And, like, different cultures are more.

[Jackie]

It's cultural.

[Claudia]

It is. It is. And I just want to say, like, as a Jewish white person, and, you know, obviously, I'm not a cook or anything, like, I think a lot of the times salt is sufficient.

[Jackie]

Honestly, like, salt is enough.

[Claudia]

It's. Diana, it's enough.

[Jackie]

I agree. And salt is, like, you know, used to be the oil.

[Claudia]

Natural earth.

[Jackie]

No. But at one point, was the biggest commodity before refrigerators. How did you keep food? Salt?

[Claudia]

Is that true?

[Jackie]

Yeah, it's like a preservative.

[Claudia]

Okay. Love that. It's going to be natural preserve. Yeah.

[Jackie]

No, it's just salts is rooted in history, and I feel like now it's got its way on a list. On a. On a list of things that, like, we're not doing, but now it's coming back. It's like, in for 2025. I love that thing. I love that it was out for the last 20 years.

[Claudia]

Yes.

[Jackie]

And you know what else I'm seeing is in. Based on my algorithm, cholesterol is in.

[Claudia]

Cholesterol's in.

[Jackie]

Have you heard that? Well, cholesterol is good for you. They said one day it was bad for you. But, like, cholesterol is what, like, protects your brain, feeds your brain?

[Claudia]

I have always been ahead of the trends, and genetically, like, we all actually suffer from high cholesterol. Our father died of a heart attack, so I don't know how, like, him dying of a heart attack helps the argument for cholesterol, but whatever. It's a fluke. It's. It's kind of makes sense that I would be so ahead of the trend.

[Jackie]

And I'm just saying, like, this is what I've been seeing, and I actually don't seek it out. These are, like, the things that come up in my algorithm that I don't follow. And they're saying, cholesterol is good for you. And I'm just repeating that and letting you know, like, I just saw it in a reel, right?

[Claudia]

She doesn't have any. Like.

[Jackie]

Like, maybe that. That's not true, But I'm just letting.

[Claudia]

You know I'm going round.

[Jackie]

That's what's swirling.

[Claudia]

Okay, Speaking of what's swirling, literally, I had a pelvic exam yesterday. My coccydynia is not solved. It's not healed. I have learned that I sit incorrectly. Whatever. I'm going to physical therapy.

[Jackie]

Right. Claudia told me how we're supposed to sit.

[Claudia]

I just want to say I was trying to explain to the doctor. She was like, can you sit this way at work? And that you hate to be obnoxious. Being like, I'm actually being viewed by millions of people. So I was like, not really. A lot of my work is, like, on camera. She was like, okay, but this is. If you're watching on YouTube, this says, she told me to sit. So if you ever see me sitting like this, just know I'm trying to survive. Okay, spread them. I'm not sitting like this.

[Jackie]

Like, so, like, for those listening, spread them.

[Claudia]

She said. She. You really are supposed to. All human beings, not just pregnant, you are really supposed to be off your ass. When you sit, all of your weight is supposed to be on the bottom of your thighs. And you're supposed to tell you leaning forward and engaging your core. But most human beings tend to pull back and relax because of that core muscle. Like, who wants to be engaging their muscle while they're just trying to sit?

[Jackie]

Your doctor would hate these chairs because they slope back. They're actually pushing us backwards. And maybe your coccydinia has ramped up since we've had these chairs because they're forcing us to sit even worse. And like any chair, it would be a struggle to sit the way that is proper. But this is making it worse, 100%.

[Claudia]

So she prescribed me, but not prescribed, referred me to a physical therapist. I'm going to do pelvic floor therapy, whatever.

[Jackie]

Are you going to take your pants off?

[Claudia]

Okay. So the lady before the doctor came in was like, take your pants off and put this gown on. I was like, oh, okay. But it's my vagina Like, I'm pregnant. So I was like, I needed to be really specific. I'm like, underwear as well? No, thank God I asked. Like, people really need to be more specific.

[Jackie]

We need to ask.

[Claudia]

We need to ask. And I. Unfortunately, it's a lesson you have to learn the hard way because you have to embarrass yourself once before. Every time you go to a doctor, a spa, anything you say, what exactly am I doing? I literally was like, socks, question mark. I needed to know everything, but whatever. Towards the end, she wanted to feel my pelvic muscles. And. Did I tell you this?

[Jackie]

You told me, but have you ever.

[Claudia]

Had your pelvic muscles checked?

[Jackie]

I don't know. I.

[Claudia]

Now, as a. I don't.

[Jackie]

I can't distinguish as a woman.

[Claudia]

As a woman in my second trimester, like, I'm. I'm not really that uncomfortable anymore with, like, certain things going on. My vagina specula. I'm a probe. Like, it is what it is. This pelvic exam was different. It was quite intimate. I literally got figured, like, it was so crazy. Like, she put a latex glove on. And by the way, I. Like, she did everything up to code, but she was. Are you comfortable? Like, I'm not. No. I'm not making an accusation. It's just what it is that it entails. She put on a latex glove, and then the nurse lubricated just one finger, and she literally had to feel all the muscles, like, in your vagina. Like, up, down, left, right, northwest, south. Like, everything. Like. Oh. Like, completely circular because there's like eight different muscles on all the different walls of your vagina. And it was just, like, so intimate, you know? And I, I. Yeah, I have now gotten used to, like, foreign objects up there, medical devices.

[Jackie]

But a hand that's, as you say, foreign, not intimate.

[Claudia]

Right. A hand is just kind of like husband's zone, you know, next to penis. What's next? A penis. Exactly. So I have to say, she made me feel very comfortable. She's like, a plus all around. Like, for the. I just. I didn't know that there was any part of pregnancy that, like, you literally get figured.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Well, you know who's a really big pelvic floor advocate?

[Claudia]

Let me ask you one more question. Lauren. Elizabeth.

[Jackie]

Yes, she is.

[Claudia]

I was thinking about her yesterday.

[Jackie]

You talk to your local.

[Claudia]

When they check your cervix dilated hand, what do they use?

[Jackie]

Hand.

[Claudia]

Okay, so I'm getting ready.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And. Yeah. So you got answers, but they're not solutions that you can implement until you're done being pregnant.

[Claudia]

She was like, listen, all these things I'm going to give you might help when you're done being pregnant. Like, there's a whole host of things you can do. Like, this problem will be solved and I should have taken care of it before I got pregnant. But in the meantime, I'm starting physical therapy. She said it actually might really help or not at all. But even if it doesn't help at all, pelvic floor therapy is really good to do before labor. So it's fine.

[Jackie]

Well, I'm glad that you are finding answers.

[Claudia]

And then I tripped, like, leaving the fucking doctor's office. Like, as I was waving goodbye, I was like, thank you so much. And I tripped. She was like, oh, be careful. And like I wanted to die. Like, I just. I was wearing these stupid big platform Uggs.

[Jackie]

What are you doing?

[Claudia]

I don't know. Like, I'm wearing them today. Oh my God. I really need to stop.

[Jackie]

And Uggs are not snowshoes.

[Claudia]

It ain't snowing.

[Jackie]

I thought you said it was snowing.

[Claudia]

In New York three days ago. For like a couple of hours. It's. But it's.

[Jackie]

There's not like snow on the ground. It's okay because cuz my really shouldn't.

[Claudia]

Wear snow song obviously didn't work.

[Jackie]

Damn.

[Claudia]

No, I have my moon boots for when it snows. This is just like chilly, you know? It's 25 degrees today. Feels like 8.

[Jackie]

It's very cold here as well too. I'm loving it.

[Claudia]

It's very cold here as well.

[Jackie]

Like I have to. I can wear any coat I want. Any coat. Can you believe?

[Claudia]

Do you even have one day a year closet in your house? Cuz you live in Florida.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I do, I do. And when I get to across from the supplies closet, like next to the guest room, you probably never even saw it. We also keep luggage in there.

[Claudia]

Supplies closet. Oh, I know. Like by the guest bathroom. Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

Okay. There's two closets facing each other.

[Claudia]

Cool. Cool. That's like a nice thing about moving out of a cold weather area. Like how much square footage I dedicate to like big puffer jackets. I could, I could build a whole other closet if I wanted to.

[Jackie]

I should probably sell them, but I can't. I love them so much. And for the one day, or like the one time you go to Utah or when I come to New York, like, I want my pick of the litter. Um, my neighbor though, she got rid of all of her codes, so I. I offered if she Wanted to borrow one.

[Claudia]

Yeah, that's definitely like a tough spot to be in because you grew up in New York. You've been collecting coats your whole life. And coats are expensive.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I love, I. I love them. And it's not posing an issue right now. So it's a problem for another day.

[Claudia]

Did you watch Real Housewives of Beverly Hills last night?

[Jackie]

I did. I watched the last two episodes and I enjoyed myself.

[Claudia]

So did I actually have a lot of thoughts even though, like, not much happened. Just want to just say this to one Sutton's track. Excuse me. One Camille Grammar. Like, I don't remember a time in history where somebody's been a bigger loser on TV than Camille Grammer was at that party.

[Jackie]

No, it was really odd. And I also want to say the second to last episode that came out a few weeks ago, I sat down to watch it like three separate times and I couldn't even make it through 30 seconds without just like getting distracted and moving on. Because they start with Jennifer Tilly in every episode. Like, I don't know why I don't even know this person.

[Claudia]

The Jennifer Tilly agenda.

[Jackie]

I don't know. Like, I don't mind her in the context of the show, but like opening with a Jennifer Tilly scene. I didn't realize Kyle was coming to her house until I made it through the full minute last night.

[Claudia]

And then suddenly.

[Jackie]

But like, starting with her and her dolls and her.

[Claudia]

I completely agree.

[Jackie]

Faux butler. I just like, literally couldn't even make it through.

[Claudia]

And every time like somebody asks her about something, whether it's like a material item, she always has to say how much it is. She's literally Dana25,000. Like when she was. Oh, what a cute dress she's got.

[Jackie]

Except she's got this stuff to back it up.

[Claudia]

Yeah, of course. But like, it's so obnoxious. Like when the Chucky doll was wearing a Gucci dress. Gucci custom made. John Galliano. Like, shut up. Like, so if that was my friend, like, that is the most annoying trait in a friend. Like just name droppery. Like one upper E. Yeah.

[Jackie]

And is she going to show us the house that she lives in or just this other house for her doll?

[Claudia]

And I'm glad she addressed that because, like, she's so wealthy. Everything she has is custom. And she was like, in this little bungalow. It's not adding up, even though it is in Bel Air. But her addressing that this was like her entertaining house. And then like her dwelling for like lodging is down the road. I appreciated that.

[Jackie]

So crazy. So yes, Beverly Hills at the end, we actually have a lot of really good stories that we need to discuss. I feel like you're gonna be like, oh yeah. Oh yeah for everything.

[Claudia]

Okay, great. Well, there's lots. Kaya.

[Jackie]

Kaya.

[Claudia]

That's really crazy. Like we need to discuss.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So let's get into it. Without further ado to do, here are the fast five stories that you to do need to know and the best.

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

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[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

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[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Sash Turt.

[Claudia]

What can I say?

[Jackie]

Our first story. I actually forgot about this story until you just mentioned it and I had to bump something. That's how many like premium stores are today. I know. Austin Butler and Kai Gerbera Splitsville no longer dating. TMZ has learned that Austin and Kaia have kicked off the new year with a new relationship status single. Sources told TMZ that the couple ended their romantic relationship around the end of the year, which explains why he wasn't on Kaia's family trip to Mexico for the New year, even though, like he would usually go and the brother bought social girlfriend. Yeah, of course he wouldn't miss it for the world. TMZ says there's no bad blood between the couple, just relationship Brandon's course after three good years together.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I believe that. I don't think either one of them cheated and I'm not like desperately surprised by this or I'm Definitely not upset. I think, like, the future holds great things for Kaia Gerber, and I do actually think that this relationship was starting to hold her back. Like, at the height of Elvis, it was all good, right?

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Claudia]

She was dating Jacob Elordi, and then she hopped over to Austin and they fell in love, and he was having this moment, and it was great. But. And we've spoken about this at length. I'm not gonna, you know, wax on about why I dislike Austin Butler, just from, like, a personality perspective. He's never done anything to personally off me, but I think that now he's, like, annoying. I think it's kind of like a little bit. This is gonna sound mean. I feel like it's like a little bit of a joke. Everybody's just always making fun of, like, his voice and Elvis. I don't know. I feel as though he, like, squandered a little bit. Like, that moment, he could have gone.

[Jackie]

Even though people said that he was in Dune 2.

[Claudia]

Yeah, he was.

[Jackie]

I didn't see him at the Golden Globes table.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I'm just saying he didn't pop off in the way that you would have expected somebody to after that type of moment with Elvis. So I feel that now Kaia Gerber can go on to do bigger and better things and as, like, one of the world's leading models and Nepo babies, who you date is a huge part of your career. It is. It's fascinating to me, and I'm happy to lay this to rest.

[Jackie]

I agree. I feel like, just like we were talking about Zendaya and Tom and a little bit Kylie and Timothy. Like, at three years, like, you're either marrying this story, you're breaking up with them. Same for our next story, which is Paige and Craig, which we'll get to. But, like, yeah, when you're a certain age, if you don't see a future with this person, like, even though we're having fun and I like you, like, it's a breakup because you got to move on with your life.

[Claudia]

And I remember the last time we were talking about Austin Butler, he was cast. What? Remember, we just were talking about that as a story. He was cast as someone.

[Jackie]

Oh, psychopath.

[Claudia]

Patrick Bateman.

[Jackie]

American Psycho Patrick. Yeah, but it's like Christian Bale Bates. Patrick Bates, formerly played by Christian Bale.

[Claudia]

Whatever. Like a serial killer energy.

[Jackie]

And she doesn't want to be around for the method acting.

[Claudia]

Well, not only that, but I had referred to her as his fiance. Like, I. I did actually think that they were Engaged. So they did reach this inflection point where, like, if you're not growing together, you're growing apart. And so this is actually not surprising to me at all.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And I'm happy about it. Sorry. And you know who else is happy about it? Even though I know she's, like, too busy being happy?

[Jackie]

Olivia. Jade.

[Claudia]

No.

[Jackie]

Vanessa.

[Claudia]

Vanessa. Don't forget the Ann Hudgens. Like, that, to me, is one of the greatest injustices in Hollywood. And I know she's moved on. She's literally married with a baby. I know she's, like, genuinely happy, but what was done to her.

[Jackie]

You can be happy while also, like, being happy when the people who have wronged you fail.

[Claudia]

It doesn't mean you're not.

[Jackie]

That doesn't make you a. Not a happy person.

[Claudia]

It's true. It doesn't mean you haven't moved on if you're, like, happy that the person who wronged you has. Is now being wronged. Sorry. Like, that's just. That's life. I. I don't believe in, like, happiness for everyone. I'm healed. No. No. So I hope she's having a good day.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story, which is some more Splitsville news? Because Craig Conover has spoken out about his split from Paige, and he is revealing more details, which is that she broke up with him. And previously, they didn't tell us who broke up with who. I assumed that he broke up with her. I felt like it was kind of mutual. I don't know why. I had this idea in my head that they, like, we're like, if we're not engaged by the end of the year, then we're going to break up. Because, like, it's three years now.

[Claudia]

The way I had envisioned it was, like, mutual, but, like, definitely Pages not wanting to progress. Like, he. Him basically being like, listen, I am at this point in my life, I want to get married and have kids, and I want to do it with you. Her being like, I'm not there yet. And so then both being like, well, we're at a standstill. So I was.

[Jackie]

I feel like he was waiting. I feel like he was waiting for her. And I had thought that he got to a point where he couldn't wait any longer. I really thought it was like, him. Because she would have kept doing what they were doing. But no, he didn't, like, give an ultimatum, it seems like, or anything. And then she broke up with him after Thanksgiving, before the holidays. He said in his video that he was shot. It was A bit shocking right before the holidays. I was very shocked. He said, it's okay. It takes two people to be in a relationship. You can't control other people. You can only control how you react to it. And so he said, remember to be kind to Paige and me and yourselves and all that good stuff. I'm still processing everything, which is normal. Three year relationship. It's your best friend who talked to all day, every day, and then they're just gone.

[Claudia]

No, let me tell you, like, there's.

[Jackie]

So much subtext here, don't you find?

[Claudia]

Yes, yes, definitely. I also, I've never been through, like, a breakup. And Paige and Craig feel like they just kind of reminded me a lot of me and Ben. Just, like, personality wise, like, really nice guy. Like, girls, like, funny and, like, bitchy and, like, you know, strong personality. I mean, bitchy in a good way. Not me. Comparing myself to Paige and the video made me so sad. Like, yeah, that is literally like your life partner. You, like, they literally live together in multiple states. But they.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

It made me so sad. I've never experienced a breakup in the way he was just talking about it. I was like, damn, it sucks.

[Jackie]

No. When he's, like, sitting in front of the house that he built for Paige, like, waiting for her to come home on this season of Southern Charm, he says it multiple times to the point of, like, are they airing? Are they playing the same sound bite over and over again? So he keeps saying the same thing where he says, like, I built this oasis for Paige and I an oasis away from the world. And now he. He's like, there alone in the backyard is like, Mayfair. I think she helped, like, decorate it. It was their idea of an oasis. And now 50 of the person is gone.

[Claudia]

And Paige had also spoken briefly on her podcast about the fallout from the breakup and just how, like, there's so many rumors about her. Nothing really bothers her. But the one thing she wanted to address is, like, people saying that she was, like, dating Marcello from SNL and cheated on Craig with him. And she's like, that's just not true. But I actually had to text Marcello because I felt so weird. Like. Like, she's like, I've never. I only texted him once before in my life. Like, I actually felt so weird. But you, like, want to apologize when, like, all this drama. He's like, I don't even know. She said, like, he might have a girlfriend. Like, I feel weird.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

So rumor cleared. What was that?

[Jackie]

I didn't think that for one second. I Didn't even think that they knew each. I'm sorry. She even had his number. That's more than I would have guessed.

[Claudia]

Well, it sounded like not out of the realm of possibility for me because he's friends with Hannah.

[Jackie]

Oh, okay. So that's how.

[Claudia]

So that's like, connection.

[Jackie]

I don't think she cheated on Craig.

[Claudia]

Of course she didn't.

[Jackie]

Not with him. She also said. Which I also found there was some subtext she said. And no one defend. No one in the situation defended me, which I thought was interesting. So I think she's trying to say, like, Craig should have said something.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I think that, like, cr. Now, not that it's getting contentious at all.

[Jackie]

No. But I think this Craig video.

[Claudia]

Paige and her fans are perceiving this video as, like, trying to make Paige into the villain, like, throwing her under the bus a little bit. And everyone's like, he's saying he was blindsided, but were you just blind? And then Craig and his fans being like, craig is a victim. Like, look at him. Sweet little man in his oasis. Another thing about. And I. I don't watch Southern charm, but I know, especially when Craig came on the podcast and talked to us about how, like, he's really evolved past a lot of his castmates just in terms of maturity and growth. And a lot of that had to do with being in a happy relationship and thinking about the future. And it pains me to, like, think about how he's kind of was in such a different place than so many of his, like, male friends from the show. And, like, not that he's left them behind, but he's sort of carved out and grown for himself. And now, like, he's in that life alone. Like, he's. Is he gonna have to, like, crawl back to Austin and be like, let's go out?

[Jackie]

Well, Austin and him, like, they have their disagreements, but they're always connected. They do a podcast together. You can't do that with someone that, like, you're not friends with. And I think even though now his, like, day to day might look a little different, like, I think he knows what he wants his life to look like. I don't think it will be a long time before he finds the person that wants the same things as him. Austin is in a serious relationship now, though.

[Claudia]

Wait, but you had said a couple of days ago that you wouldn't be surprised if, like, a couple of months go by and these two realize that, like, it wasn't the right choice, yada yada, because that's when we Thought it was, like, amicable and feel that way more. No, no.

[Jackie]

But the thing is, like, it was amicable and mutual, and I just don't feel like. I just don't feel that way anymore. I thought it was because, like, they had given themselves this timer and if they hadn't made a decision, like, they knew it was best to move on. But I think it's more like what you said, where it was like, it's not the person. Maybe it's very close to being her person, but it's not the life that she wants. Like, that's not going to change.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And now I do feel like the small things that they're saying, and I guess maybe it just goes to show there's no right way. There's no way to tell what happened without pissing the other person off a little bit. Because, like, both of them have been so respectful in everything that they've said, and I could still see how the other one would be misplayed.

[Claudia]

Yes. Yes. But that's just right. Even the best of breakups are impossible.

[Jackie]

And then, of course, when you see that person, like, with the next person.

[Claudia]

That'S where it gets.

[Jackie]

Yeah. That's why I don't like to speculate on who they would be with next. You know, Craig and Ka and Paige and Austin Butler.

[Claudia]

Craig and Ka. Paige and Austin.

[Jackie]

I do see it.

[Claudia]

I see both. I don't even know which one I see more. Austin, like, okay, Paige, like, needs a guy like Austin and Craig needs a girl like Kaya, and Kaya kind of.

[Jackie]

Needs a guy like Craig. She's kind of a homebody. She's kind of a nerd.

[Claudia]

Very, like, family first. Very.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Hamish, Salt of the earth energy. Even though I've already never met her.

[Jackie]

She likes to read.

[Claudia]

She read a book once. Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I think Austin. I mean, Austin would love Paige and, like, looks like his type, you know, he.

[Claudia]

She looks like Kaya.

[Jackie]

Yeah. She looks like Vanessa.

[Claudia]

She looks like Vanessa.

[Jackie]

And I think Paige would love Hollywood.

[Claudia]

I think Hollywood would love Paige.

[Jackie]

I agree.

[Claudia]

What if we just did. What if we just swap?

[Jackie]

Swap.

[Claudia]

Yeah. But, you know, it does feel like a third big celebrity breakup is gonna come at us. Like, these things happen in threes.

[Jackie]

Okay, so then maybe we could add more names to the mix.

[Claudia]

Let's cross our fingers. Who do we hope is next? Who's dating Selena and Benny?

[Jackie]

No, I like. I like them together.

[Claudia]

Okay. Okay. Sound off in the comments. Who do you want to break up next or.

[Jackie]

No, who do you think will break up Next. Whether you want them to or not.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Well, are you ready for our next story, which is some tea? More fallout from the Brianna Grace chicken fry. Zach Brian, like, just kicked the hornet's nest.

[Claudia]

Oh, it's Zach Brian.

[Jackie]

No, like, this is what's made everything unfold the way that it has. Like, he kicked the hornets, and now, like, oh, yeah, he didn't even know.

[Claudia]

What he was doing when he broke. Like.

[Jackie]

Like this.

[Claudia]

Now it's not even about him.

[Jackie]

No. This most recent update, though, is part of that story. Because it all happened.

[Claudia]

Yep. Because catalyst is the word you're looking for. Yeah.

[Jackie]

That's why I say he kicked the hornets, man.

[Claudia]

I understand. Yes. I watched this whole video because you know how much money other podcasters make is my favorite subject in the world.

[Jackie]

Agreed. She screen shared with me on FaceTime so I could see it.

[Claudia]

I was like, jackie, you have to watch his TikTok. I tried to download and send it to you, but Dave Porter's video was too long. Okay, so read the story.

[Jackie]

Okay. So Dave Porter is setting the record straight on Grace O'Malley's exit from Barstool Sports. So a couple of things happened in the last few weeks. Grace left Barstool. She left the podcast. We had shared. We talked about that on the show.

[Claudia]

Broke it down on. No, it was on Patreon.

[Jackie]

Oh, okay. No, first, her leaving pan re being over was on this show. Then on Patreon, she left Barstool, and she's actually doing a new podcast with Unwell, which is Alex Cooper's network. So that was just interesting. And she's going it on her own. No more bar stool for Paige, for Grace. And then she went on the Ovon's podcast this week, and she's talking about a lot of things, but among them, she was talking about how much she got paid at Barstool.

[Claudia]

And so funny, because the clips that I had seen going around were her talking about Brianna. I didn't even see, like, actually any of the clips of her talking about how much she got paid at Barstool. And I actually thought her speaking about Brianna was really, like. It was respectful. Like, it felt like, like, perhaps these two could come back. It wasn't like a knockdown drag out. She really didn't say anything bad. The whole thing was just, like, kind of had a sad undertone to it. So I was like, oh, okay. I didn't even see the Barstool stuff until Dave posted this video because he was mad about some of the things Grace had said regarding her compensation package at Barstool.

[Jackie]

Yes. Wait, I have it. I just want to pull the quote of what she said because she said he was talking. She was talking about, like her time at Barstool. Theo. She said that she made a salary. She didn't like, just actually the show.

[Claudia]

She said she, like made no money from her podcast. And then Theo pushed her, was like, well, you made like an annual salary. Well, you made like an annual. You had an annual contract. And she was like, oh, yeah, I had a salary. So it first made it sound like she was doing the work for free.

[Jackie]

Right. And then he says, was it a good salary? She says, it was decent. My buddy was making a little bit more. A lot bit more. A whole shit ton more. And that's Bri. She's saying Brace was. Bri was making a lot more than her. So Dave broke it down because that's like one thing.

[Claudia]

I guess this is like one of his pet peeves. There is like a kind of a stereotype that, like, they don't pay their talent very well and that if you work at Barstool, like you're taking a pay cut from if you were doing it anywhere else, like for yourself.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Because at Barstool, unlike other networks, at Barstool, if you do a podcast with them, it seems as though you get paid a salary regardless of how big or small your podcast is. Which is good for smaller creators because they're going to get paid even if their show is making no money. And then bigger people, like famously call her Daddy, might not make Will don't make as much as they would if it was if they own their show. But they're getting the benefits of Barstool marketing promotion. It's advertising.

[Claudia]

Interesting setup they have and not a lot of. I actually don't know anyone else. Any other media company that does it that way. They salary all their talent, which almost no talent makes a salary. And they also help facilitate brand deals for the talent on their social media sponsorships at like different shows and stuff. And then they have like a rev share. So he had shared that Grace was getting 70% of her social media. I'm sure the bigger you are, the better contract you have. You can get 80, 90, but 70.

[Jackie]

Is actually like a 70 is pretty industry standard. And also the bigger you are, the more money that you are making. And so the more money you are earning, the 70% is just of a bigger pie. But anyways, he just said flat out, we paid Grace $175,000 a year to do the Podcast. And then she also made 70% of anything we could sell her on, so social media, and roughly made an extra75.75 that way, for a net total of like $250,000 in the last year, which is a lot of money.

[Claudia]

It is. And I think that people I've seen, like. Like, you know, when I was reading the comments, it's like, oh, my God, that's so much money. And then people being like, quarter of a million for an influencer. I think that a lot of people, like, see Grace now as she's nationally recognized, right. She's on the Ovon, like, one of the biggest podcasts at the time. And this is what we were saying on Patreon that was so interesting. We're talking about Plan Brie. Plan Brie. Plan Brie. That podcast, like, it's Call her daddy. Right? It's really important to note at the time, it's a relatively small show. It's not unsuccessful. You can look at their numbers on YouTube, which are. Which I believe is their strongest platform. It wasn't like a gangbusters, you know, millions downloads per episode. It's a kind of. I want to say it's an average sized podcast. So at the time, now seeing Grace, oh, my God, making $250,000 a year, she's a bigger star than that. At the time, the work that you were doing and you get paid for, like, your output, which is Plan Brie, it was kind of a small, successful show, but small. 250 salary, like, and, you know, no matter how bad or good the show.

[Jackie]

Does, salary for the show.

[Claudia]

Yeah, sorry. That's actually very good. If you were doing that podcast of that size at, like, another network where you just earn. You keep everything you earn. I don't know their numbers, but based on what I think that they are, like, you would be making less than that.

[Jackie]

I agree. I was running some rough numbers and for like, a standard strong podcast, but not, you know, top 100, not top 200, maybe.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Like, let's say they took Plan Brie to podcast one. They got a good deal. They did it had somebody selling ads for them.

[Jackie]

You.

[Claudia]

You get a rev share. You keep, like, most of your revenue and they're splitting it.

[Jackie]

No, but they're also what Dave was saying. Yeah. Her buddy Bri was making more. Because when Bri came to Barstool, she already had a lot of followers. She was an influencer. She was doing her show already, so she had a higher salary. As Bri told us, like, she brought Grace into Barstool, kind of like on the, on the bottom floor of working your way up. So this is kind of her entry salary read to be not 50%. The show's called Plan Bri. Like, yeah, she's not even 50% of the show. So it's actually like really a good, generous deal.

[Claudia]

I was surprised.

[Jackie]

Dave said, and then there's opportunity to make more money by selling your social media. And then Dave also said typically Barstool talent can't do outside projects because they want to like commission it and sell it.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But she like went and started doing other things and I think, like stand up comedy. Yeah, Dave looked the other way because typically, like that's not done. But I think he just like, I think he's actually really generous with people even though they have like, he just like kind of lets them break their contract a little bit. Like, he's not gonna fight every battle. He's not gonna like squeeze out every penny from someone. So he was also giving her like leeway to make more over here. And I feel like he feels like he was really generous with her. So for her to say that is just untrue. And I also, it just really also harks back to call her daddy for me, because at the time when call her daddy went down, they were making half a million dollars, $500,000 each.

[Claudia]

Well, that was the offer, right? Remember their contracts? They were nobodies. They signed to Barstool for three years and it was $65,000 a year.

[Jackie]

Right. But then they made more. They had points on merch and they wound up taking home like a bigger salary than that. But that was so insane because they were literally top five podcasts. They beat Joe Rogan every week, all time. Like that they didn't get a huge increase to keep them happy for what they were doing. Like, bigger. The biggest podcast at Barstool, like Clandri was not that. It was just like a good podcast.

[Claudia]

It was a mid tier successful show.

[Jackie]

I feel so feel like what they. She got paid was very commiserate with the work and, and, and not a, a low offer whatsoever.

[Claudia]

No, I agree. And like you, you have to think about when you're an influencer and you decide to go to Barstool, you. You have to think about what you're getting from that, which is like a million eyeballs who never would have heard of you. But you're also giving up for sure, different opportunities of being like a freelance influencer, going to whatever events you want, doing any brand deals you want. Like, like and so there is a little bit of a push, pull, trade off. Yeah. And so I had thought that, like, you get a. When Dave made that video, I was like, oh, damn. I wonder what he's gonna say. Because probably, like, 50, $60,000 a year. Because I knew what the caller daddy girls had gotten, and I was shocked when he said 175. It's much more than I had thought. Especially just that salary was to do the podcast.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

So you know what a podcast that size can earn.

[Jackie]

The only thing he didn't respond to, which I'm just curious, she said that she didn't make any money from the tour. They did their plan retour. He didn't even talk about it, but, like, who earned those ticket sales that all went to Barstool.

[Claudia]

That goes to Barstool. But then he had said that one of Barstool's things they do is they sell sponsorships for live shows. So there was probably. I think it was like pirate water, like that. Something that sponsored their tour. I don't know why Grace wouldn't get a piece of that lot.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

If she's one, like, actively traveling and doing the work, too.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But also, when you're salaried, whether you work less.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So, like, here's the thing. She's doing tour, she's working more, but she's making the same salary. But the last few months of 2024, they weren't doing episodes of Plan Brie, and she's still making the salary. So that's like the trade off of being salaried is you get paid when you're doing more work or less work.

[Claudia]

That's true, actually. And you also just think about, like, all the barstool shows that do live podcasts. A lot of them do chicks in the office, like, like those, the talent, the hosts don't get the ticket sales. That's. You work for a big company.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

I was thinking that maybe Brianna was getting the ticket sales. No, nobody was. They both were getting salaried and working for their company.

[Jackie]

And I'm sure also everyone has different contracts. I imagine other pot, like. Right.

[Claudia]

Well, that was the other.

[Jackie]

So many tours.

[Claudia]

My chicks in the office have been there for so long. They definitely have an amazing contract. Like, they seem really happy.

[Jackie]

They seem really happy.

[Claudia]

But they, like, they were, you know, small potatoes at one point too. And they've worked, work hard, and they're the biggest female show at that.

[Jackie]

I'd love to hear from them on this.

[Claudia]

I feel like they stay out of drama.

[Jackie]

Like, I feel like they do. Really.

[Claudia]

And that's.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

Like, huge to their benefit. Like, there's so much barstool drama. They never get involved. They show up every day and they do their jobs.

[Jackie]

No, they get involved. Sometimes I feel like they spoke on, like, call her daddy stuff, but, like, there. I would love to hear how it went for them, because I feel like when they started their show and they were, like, interns, they probably weren't making a lot of money, but their show, like, grew, and they've probably been growing with it, and I think would be, like, a good, just testament of the barstool model.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Well, wait. There was one more thing I wanted to say. Oh. I did feel now when we look at Grace and Brianna, like, they're equals, right? In terms of fame, success, followers, engagement. Like, they really are on equal playing fields. So for Grace to say on the Ovon, like, my buddy was making a lot more than me. That's, like, so up. Right. And I'm glad that Dave addressed it. And it is kind of. It's misleading to say because the implication is that we were doing equal work and we were, you know, of equal stature and equal size and equal followership and getting paid differently, which is inherently wrong. It's morally bankrupt to do. But that's not the case. It is now, but at the time when she was brought on, she was. I hate this word. But, like, before things went sour, she was very much like, Brianna's, like, sidekick, Right?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

I hate that word. It's like, it's so derogatory. I'm sorry, that's not what I meant. I mean, like, there are so many.

[Jackie]

Podcasts that have support.

[Claudia]

Support.

[Jackie]

There are so many podcasts that have a host, and then, like, it's like Howard Stern and Robin.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Does she make the same as Howard Stern?

[Claudia]

No, but they do. They have, like, the same amount of air time.

[Jackie]

They're on this. But it's like, it's a Howard Stern show.

[Claudia]

Exactly. Like, it's. It's support.

[Jackie]

I would be shocked if Howard Stern and Robin made the same amount. Maybe they do. That would be shocking.

[Claudia]

Like, this saga. I feel like this is like, Nick.

[Jackie]

Vile has, like, five cast of characters on the show. Do they make the same as Nick Vile Files? No.

[Claudia]

I feel like this is exactly what happened with Call Her Daddy. Every time we were, like, reporting on it, we were getting further and further away from the potential of these two reuniting. Reuniting. And this is technically between Grace and Dave, so maybe it doesn't impact The Brianna of it all. But Dave, like, really does a lot of the time speak on behalf of. Of Brianna. And so I do feel we're getting further and further away.

[Jackie]

Oh, we're so. No, something happened. I remember we said, like on the show, if nothing more happens, like, they'll be fine. But then something else happened. They're not coming back together. I actually started listening to Grace on the Ovon this morning. I didn't get to any of this stuff, but I think she's just completely moved on. She took her show off of Barstool. She's joined the new network. But what was surprising about that is I felt like every time they talked about the situation on BFFs pod, like, Dave spoke, spoke really well of Grace and, like, was holding space for both of them working at the company and it being fine. So for her to, like, leave and, and do that and now say this, like, now the blood is bad.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Between Dave and her. Like, Brianna and her were always whatever. But you're right. And Dave actually said in his video that he was like, pissed about what he saw in the Ovan and he texted Grace. I wish he told us how that conversation went, but he confronted her, like, directly.

[Jackie]

Also, what Dave said, which I thought was also interesting, is that Grace was then supposed to do her own show at Barstool after plan.

[Claudia]

Yes.

[Jackie]

And this was going to be the.

[Claudia]

Pace they had a role for her.

[Jackie]

She was going to make $175,000 a year from her show. When Bar earned that exact money back from her show, she would get a cut of all 50 revenue going forward. 5050. Which it's like, then she's operating, like, with no risk, only reward.

[Claudia]

Yeah. You don't have to pay for production as a podcast or like, everything. Social clips, audio editing, studio rentals, that's all on you. And that's one of the benefits of working at Barstool is like, you have access to the best tech in the world and you have to spend a dollar. Like, so it's like we were saying, it's push, pull, risk, reward. Like, yeah, you're giving up opportunities to do X, Y and Z, but you don't have to take on the. The financial risk that is launching your own show.

[Jackie]

And it seemed like for Grace, she wasn't even missing out on opportunities because she was doing the stuff everybody wanted to do and nobody said anything right.

[Claudia]

Dave was like, we let her do her stand up without, like, you know, intervening. I feel like what I away from this saga because I definitely was the type of person who thought, like, Barstool paid their employees, like, actual pennies on the dollar. Like, I. That my takeaway is that Barstool not only salaries, but also, like, their pay structure. I didn't even know you could get a cut of your show. Once you earn back your salary. I feel like it's not such a bad deal. I thought. I always thought, like, if you went to Barstool, like, you were giving up so much, you're literally not.

[Jackie]

No. And you're gaining so much. And I guess until, like, because we do it on our own, we, like, do all.

[Claudia]

We know how the numbers work. No.

[Jackie]

And we. We know what it entails and, like, the things that they benefit from. Just like the network, the distribution, ad sales, video editing, a million things. Until you, like, know what all of that is, you don't. I feel like you can't appreciate what Barstool does for people.

[Claudia]

No. And I feel like there are some people who had shows up Barstool and then went on to do it outside. And I. We can't include Call Her Daddy in this conversation because the level that it got to was it was as. Just as big as Barstool, So it kind of is, like, the exception to this conversation. But people who just have had shows at Barstool and then have decided to either leave or do them on their own, like, it's, I think, like a slap in the face when you leave and everything is your responsibility financially, but also, like, booking a studio, you know? Yeah, it's. It's kind of nice.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I feel like also at Barstool, people, like, just, like, don't do the show for, like, a week or, like, something's. Like, drama's happening, but, like, you're still getting paid when you're not at a network like that. Like, if you don't do a show, you're not.

[Claudia]

You don't do a show. You don't get paid. It's true. Like, you're. That's actually so. So much of this particular line of work, which is fabulous. I'm not complaining. Is a little bit unstable. Like, you earn as much as you earn, and that's it. It's not like a.

[Jackie]

You earn as much as you work.

[Claudia]

Yeah. So to have, like, the creative freedom to do podcasts and Instagram stories, but also have a salary to fall back on. And I imagine health insurance, that's kind of crazy. Should we work at Barstool, like, don't even. It sounds amazing.

[Jackie]

The health insurance maternity have, like. Like, in Their contracts, you know, you can't do zero. They probably have, like, episode minimums, but it just seems like someone's having, like, a hard month. We're not doing a podcast this month. We're taking, actually.

[Claudia]

So even with Call Her Daddy, like, they were protesting and they just stopped doing episodes.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

Selpa, help us. Remember.

[Jackie]

Right? Help us.

[Claudia]

I'm sorry. They were funny.

[Jackie]

That was a crazy time.

[Claudia]

That was one of the best times in my life, honestly, like, that was just seeing women in podcasting, like, take the world by storm. And then we had something to talk about every day.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Obviously us with, like, you know, our informed takes, like, that was just a crazy time.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So the wind up here. Grace is doing it out on her own now.

[Claudia]

I'm actually really curious. Well, she's been launched to a new level of stardom, so it would be an unfair comparison. But, like, what is she making now? Like, with her stand up comedy tour, which is super successful, a show she's gonna launch and then just like, being an influencer. But she's much more famous now because of the scandal, so it wouldn't be a fair comparison, like 2025 to 2024 earnings.

[Jackie]

Right? We'll see. Yeah, we shall see. Are you ready for our next story? Number four. Number four.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Okay. I have to go to the bathroom. Let me know when would be a good time to do that.

[Claudia]

Well, it's not really ever going to be a good time because you are one of our spokespeople today.

[Jackie]

I know.

[Claudia]

Okay, you know what?

[Jackie]

You go, I'll go quick.

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

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[Claudia]

Thank you, Jackie. I, you know, I'm looking forward to the day when I can do the Dreamland Baby at reads. I plan on being a Dreamland Baby mama.

[Jackie]

I love that for you.

[Claudia]

Yeah, especially you were telling me about the zipper, like how it's a game changer oh, yeah.

[Jackie]

It is a game changer that the zipping makes like diaper changes in the middle of the night so much easier.

[Claudia]

Right, Right. So, like, that's gonna be exciting for Ben when he does that.

[Jackie]

He'll be doing dreamland on good guys 100%. Our next story, a little more pay news. Nikki Glaser revealed her pay for the hosting the Golden Globes and the Golden Globes wants her back. So she'll be making more next time. But here's the tea. The Rose Queen was paid a bit more than $400,000 for her stint hosting the Golden Globes. She said that the fee will rise significantly. A well placed source said, not her. Sorry. If and when she comes back to host the Globes for the third year in the five year deal the Globes has with CD cbs.

[Claudia]

Well, brilliant of her to use the momentum, all the positive feedback from this most recent event to cinch herself not only another deal, but one that I'm sure is more. I didn't realize that they paid hosts. Honestly, I thought it was a gig you do, like, for.

[Jackie]

For the opportunity. Super Bowl.

[Claudia]

Yeah, but the super bowl is sponsored, so actually, I believe you do get paid, like by Pepsi or Apple Music.

[Jackie]

Oh, interesting. Are you sure?

[Claudia]

I don't think the NFL pays you, but I think like, if you're gonna be out here promoting Pepsi, like, yeah.

[Jackie]

Oh, I just feel like there's not enough money and like, then we're talking like 50, 100 million. Also, I wanted to see what Jo Koy made because I had heard that she made less than him, which is so unfair.

[Claudia]

What?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

You're kidding me. That's so crazy because even though, like, he did a bad job and she did a good job, when they both booked this gig, Nikki Glaser was a bigger star than Jokoi. Like, she's a bigger get.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I don't know. I'm not seeing how much exactly he got paid.

[Claudia]

No, the NFL does not pay artists directly for performing at the super bowl halftime show. Instead, artists are paid on a union scale, which is a minimum wage guaranteed by a union contract like sag, aftra. So contracts, you know, you have to get paid at least like a thousand dollars a day for it to be legal. The NFL does cover all the costs associated with the show, including production and travel expenses. However, artists can still profit from the halftime show and other ways like increase album sales, streaming, etc. So you're right. There is no fee.

[Jackie]

Got it. Got it. Well, so Nikki was on Howard Stern and she like, kind of recapped her time at the Globes, and what she had said was there was. Sorry, not Jo Koy. Then this is what she said. I don't know why. I just assumed it was him. She said there was a past host who said how much he got paid in his monologue. And I got less than that, but that's okay. I'll get more next year. She said. She said, I feel well paid for what I do. I'm all right. Yeah, I agree. I thought. I thought it was gonna be less than what I said it was. So I'm like, for nights, a night on the town, 400k, I feel better.

[Claudia]

I feel better because, like, if it was like, Jimmy Kimmel who said when he got paid, like. Like, for some reason, Hollywood has decided to make him, like, an enormous star, even though I believe he's undeserving of that due to, you know, lack of talent. So. But if he had gotten, let's say, like, you know, $750,000. Okay. Like, fine.

[Jackie]

Okay. So it was Gerard Carmichael who said at the 2023 Golden Globes that he was being paid $500,000.

[Claudia]

Oh, that's interesting because, like, Drud Carmichael is very funny, but he's really not taken off in the way that people thought he would when he got the Carmichael show. Like, he's super talented, but in terms of, like, stardom, I would say Nikki is a much bigger star than he is.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I just feel like it's. The job is the same amount of work for everyone. So, like, people should get paid the same.

[Claudia]

That's actually a really good point.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

And then based on, like, your Q score afterwards, you should get a bonus.

[Jackie]

Like, oh, yeah. Stuck so well. She will probably do it again next year. She'll definitely get a bonus well earned.

[Claudia]

I think that to negotiate herself a deal, like, three days after, while people are still loving it, and Golden Globes has confirmed, like, she is returning. I wouldn't be surprised if they offered her, like, 750.

[Jackie]

A million. Make it a million.

[Claudia]

She's worth it.

[Jackie]

She's gonna.

[Claudia]

She's gonna continue to do, like, amazing things this year because she has, like, so much momentum and wind at her back. So. And she. The thing about Nikki Glazer that's nice is, like, if I had, like, a gig I needed to book someone for, it's always a risk. Like, are they going to do a good job? Not with Nikki. Like, even when I think she would consider herself, like, not having done the best job, like, everybody would love It. She's just like. Like, she's just good at what she does.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

You know, but for educate. Okay. Not bad. Even though it's a lot of work. Like, a lot of rehearsals, a lot of writing.

[Jackie]

Yes. Yeah. It's not just the night of a lot of.

[Claudia]

It's not like a four hour gig.

[Jackie]

A lot of prep goes into it. Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[Claudia]

Oh, devastating. Bidding is such sweet, Sarah. But we do still have the TV recap, so. Yes.

[Jackie]

Yes. Well, Scarlett Johansson will co host NBC's Today with Jenna and Friends in January for one week. So as we move into the new year, Hoda is out, Jenna is looking for her replacement, and she's having Jenna with Friends, and Scarjo is guesting for a week. Perhaps auditioning. Probably not, but I. I wouldn't be surprised considering this is surprising.

[Claudia]

And this was just like adding fuel to the fire of a conspiracy theory that I saw on Twitter that Colin Jost and Scarlett Johansson are in debt. Um, and honestly, when I was just talking about pop culture Jeopardy and how weird Colin Jost's presence is, them being in debt, like, actually makes a lot of sense. Like, what are these gigs these two are picking up?

[Jackie]

So, like, him being in debt makes sense. Her.

[Claudia]

So true. Like, she's Transformers or she's like, Marvel.

[Jackie]

She's the face of a million brands.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I feel like his job doesn't pay as much as he wants it to pay, and I think he's got, like, he's got lofty dreams of how he should be living, I think.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And maybe like, marrying Scarjo wasn't enough.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Or maybe she's just not, like, open with the purse strings like he thought she would be.

[Claudia]

This is weird because, like, that doesn't.

[Jackie]

Explain why she's doing this.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Guest housing. The Today show, obviously, like, is prestigious, but it's kind of a, like, terrible gig. It's super early, It's a lot of hours. It's a lot of research. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of criticism. And for a lot of people, it's like a stepping stone. You know, somebody who's on the rise. This is a huge opportunity. I wouldn't say it's a huge opportunity for Scarlett Johansson. It's an opportunity for the Today Show. The fact that she's committed to this.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it's. It's interesting. Maybe it's just for a bit of fun. Or maybe she wants the stability of, like, a daily gig or.

[Claudia]

Or her and JBH are Like friends as, like, New Yorkers. And you're doing it as a favor.

[Jackie]

To a friend or she has, like, something big coming out and this will be, like, her week of press.

[Claudia]

Oh, okay. Yeah, Maybe.

[Jackie]

Maybe just to be sat at the Today show. That's not bad.

[Claudia]

Who else are we throwing, like, names in for? I feel like you have to think about who lives in New York. And so that's another thing. I think they're definitely limited. Someone would come, but, like, somebody who lives and can come by, like, on a dime.

[Jackie]

So here's who's co hosting in this. Jenna and Friends. But I don't know if that means it's an audition or just, like, we're having fun.

[Claudia]

Stopping by.

[Jackie]

Taraji P. Henson. Eva Longoria, Kiki Palmer. Now, of course, Kiki Palmer.

[Claudia]

Palmer's an audition. Kiki Palmer's an audition. And Kiki Palmer absolutely should get the job. She literally has done the job before. She was in, like, the 11th hour of GMA or whatever with Michael Strahan and Sarah. The other swirly. Give her the job. I feel about Kiki Palmer the way I feel about Nikki Glaser. Like, truly talented job, well done. It's. It's not for lack of opportunity. It's not for lack of talent. It's for lack of opportunity. The fact that she hasn't taken, you know, the world by storm, so.

[Jackie]

And it's not like a risky bet, like, you know, that she's going to.

[Claudia]

Do a good job 1000%. What about Andy? Is he gonna. I feel like he's just one of the people they just throw in when you need someone.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I feel like too much. I feel like you can't do radio.

[Claudia]

Andy and watch Rapids live, like, two.

[Jackie]

Daily shows and then a third. I just.

[Claudia]

He, like, used to host all the time with Kelly Rippo, and she was like.

[Jackie]

And I don't think he wants to wake up that early looking for a mate.

[Claudia]

That's so true. Two young kids.

[Jackie]

Like, if there was a job he was going to do, it would have been Kelly Ripa. That's the seed he would have filled.

[Claudia]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I.

[Jackie]

And he has late nights with Watch what happens Live. You can't drop it.

[Claudia]

Live is barely live ever anymore.

[Jackie]

I feel like it was live last night. They did polls, so. Yeah, it was a lot.

[Claudia]

Okay, so if they did polls, that's live. But I think they're operating at a once a week live.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Because you can tell when the guest is, like, posting Instagram stories from, like, a couple of Days before.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Or when they're actually at midnight still in. In Tribeca, like, you can tell also with the paparazzi pictures, they literally leave the studio in their outfit. It used to be every night there was, like, paparazzi and people would wait outside. People don't even wait outside anymore because it was filmed at, like, noon.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

So. And that's nice for Andy. That's like a. It's like a dad. Like, it's probably so nice to get home by 5:00. I think he literally keeps nine to five hours.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So that would mean no to today's show. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Anyways, also, actually, I think it's hard because a lot of the people that would do this, you know, out of the goodness of their heart as, like, a friend, like, would do it for Hoda. Like, to do it with Hoda. She's the one who's, like, friends with everyone, I feel like.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But over the years, Jenna has.

[Claudia]

She has a circle. For sure.

[Jackie]

Has a circle. And also, it's the job a million girls would kill for. So whether or not you know the other girl so well, like, I'm sat. We'll get to know each other.

[Claudia]

I think the Scarlett Johansson thing is so weird.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It's pretty random.

[Claudia]

It is. Like, if I was Scarlett Johansson, you literally cannot pay me to wake up at 4am every day for a week for, like, a thankless job.

[Jackie]

I think once she does it, maybe we'll see why she's doing it. Maybe she has. Maybe she's like us. Maybe she saw morning show and, like, this is the dream and it's just like the. You could live the idea for a week.

[Claudia]

I think the theory that you floated that, like, she has a big project coming out that particular week is brilliant. That's probably what it is.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And so it's like a project she's really passionate about, not like some big movie that doesn't need her to be waking up at 4am every day.

[Jackie]

Yeah, we shall see. But that's the latest but make a choice soon. Jenna, what story got the Boot? Twitch drama.

[Claudia]

We. I'm sorry. I can't believe you gave that. Sorry. The Boot. We have to talk about it.

[Jackie]

Okay, Pull it up. Pull it up.

[Claudia]

I have actually don't have a lot of thoughts. I'm curious what other people's thoughts are. I don't watch. I never was, like, into him on Ellen. I didn't watch so youo think you can dance, but this is a man and his wife who are, like, tons of Fans on social media, from the dance community. And there's like a lot of lore here that I'm not personally a part of, but this is really crazy.

[Jackie]

So, Steven, and let me tell you.

[Claudia]

The way I came to this story was I saw a tweet from Candace Dillard Bessette, former Real Housewife of Potomac, kind of coming for Alison, being like, what are you doing airing this man's dirty drawers?

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

She's like, I'm not going to say it, but. And then she said it. I was like, oh, okay. And then I started seeing it everywhere. I'm like, oh, Candace Steeler Brissette was onto something.

[Jackie]

So I saw it from Liz woods because Ben Platt's sister posted and it took me a while to like orient myself with like, who are these people?

[Claudia]

Because you're in law Ben Platt's bed, Platt's brother's wife.

[Jackie]

Oh, that like, just makes it a little less connected. But still, she's a Platt, Courtney and Platt. And so I just had to orient myself to the story because I didn't really know Twitch. And he's also from Ellen too, which I'm not like an Ellen person. And so you think you can dance. And then a few years ago, he passed away. There was like some mystery, like shrouding the circumstances, but also I'm sure as like a measure of protection. You know, it's very personal sort of.

[Claudia]

But what the public was told, and I believe this is the truth, is that he, you know, suffered with his mental health and took his own life wife. And it was so shocking because him and his wife, but him in particular, like their whole thing was dance and music and love and joy. And it was just like so incongruous with the public facing Persona that we knew. And I think a lot of people, like took it really hard. He like, yeah, he was just kind of this light to a lot of people. And so it did oddly, you know, put a lot of attention on his wife. And they were like a couple on social media together. They posted a lot. But he was the star.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So she is writing a memoir and she just started promoting it. It's called this Far My Story of Love, Loss and Embracing the Light. She sat down with People magazine and disclosed that she to talk about the memoir. And she disclosed that she allegedly discovered a cornucopia of drugs, including mushrooms, pills and other substances that she had to look up on her phone hidden in his closet. So she's giving very like intimate personal details about his addiction. And then that created like a Wave.

[Claudia]

Of, of news stories, everybody picking this up. Well, because there hasn't been a lot of details about his death. And now it's like, well, we're throwing addiction in the mix and nobody knew that.

[Jackie]

Right. And. And these are very private details. I think even in the book, she's including excerpts from his journal. Like, it's getting very personal. Especially when I feel like people had a lot of questions when he passed but had moved on because you recognize, like, people are going any respect. And he has kids. And she is now putting this all out there, talking about the issues that he had and sharing, like, very intimate, personal things. And so she did her sit down with People magazine in promotion of this memoir. And now people, including Courtney and Platt, who former.

[Claudia]

Former friends of his, who. Former best friend in the dance community.

[Jackie]

You, like, know them also his brother and his friend, they're all slamming now. Everyone's now coming out who was close to him, like, just, just slamming the wife, the widower, and sharing, like, little.

[Claudia]

Things about her and their situation since his passing that we might not have known. Kind of how I believe it was the brother saying that, you know, what's her name? Allison. The wife.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Allison is keeping Twitch's mom from, from their kids, her grandchildren. Like, it's getting really. The fact that so many public, publicly known, well known people associated with Twitch family members, former co workers, are speaking out publicly. Because I think that if we had done this as a story, we would say, like, oh, that's kind of weird. She's sharing journal excerpts, but it wouldn't have become like a real thing. It's becoming a big thing because people are literally like other celebrities and other members of his life are calling her out. And then also drawing on the last couple of years of weird behavior, you know, just kind of accusing her of, you know, doing like, a little too much press when your husband passes away.

[Jackie]

And they changed her name on Instagram two days later. Two days later, his last name.

[Claudia]

Like a lot of thirsty behavior, which, you know, at the time, I think maybe a lot of people thought to themselves in private. Like, I, I remember thinking like, oh, that's like, really like she did a People magazine interview or like a cover, like, really somewhat recently after. But everybody creates in their own way. So you never say it, but you think it to yourself. Obviously. Yeah, now we've said it.

[Jackie]

No. And now everyone's saying it. So Courtney, who was his friend, said, anyone who knows me knows I go straight to the source during a conflict and handle my business. But since there's clearly no shame in being so public. I haven't said a word in two years, but here I go. This is by far the most tacky, classless, opportunistic act I have ever seen in my entire life. She went on. She referenced that bosses that Twitch's friends and family had to sign some weird NDA in order to attend his funeral. She added that Allison the wife treated her mother in law like garbage this entire time. So it's Twitch's mom. Elsewhere, she said she called her out for smearing his name and attempting to dim the bright, loyal, loving light that your husband. That was your husband and my friend, you're a living, breathing bulldozer. Stick to your own demons. Shame on you, Allison. Shame on your money hungry team. Let my friend rest in peace. Not your pr.

[Claudia]

No. It's really crazy. And everyone like, sharing this post, all their members, from the say yes to the say yes to the dress.

[Jackie]

His brother shared it and said no lies told.

[Claudia]

Yeah, it's. And then also somebody else from, I believe a different family member saying not only is this classless and tacky, it's also untrue. Basically saying that Twitch smoked weed and that was something that his wife didn't like and they were like, actively, like, arguing about and trying to get him to stop doing, but it wasn't like an addiction to drugs.

[Jackie]

Got it.

[Claudia]

So that she's also just sort of stretching the truth a little bit.

[Jackie]

Oh, interesting.

[Claudia]

Yeah. It was an accusation someone had made. Not me. This is like really crazy.

[Jackie]

Yeah, really, really crazy. To go from being like, so private, you know, even though there's things that people don't know, like, we're not going to share because we're just gonna protect. That's okay.

[Claudia]

Because that's okay.

[Jackie]

So then this not only she's sharing, but then, like, everyone is like, tearing it up. It's actually as public and messy as you could get overnight.

[Claudia]

It's really sad.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Like, I think this happens so many. You keep things to yourself. Like, if you do keep things to yourself, it's always like, to protect the kids. That's like what the priority always is. And I think that's why, you know, none of this has happened over the last two years. But at a point you, like, do get to a place where it's like, like you're actively slandering the legacy of someone and if it's your brother, like, you feel a certain type of way about it. And so I'm all for, you know, keeping family business private, but, like, I Don't know. I hear them.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Crazy. But this is also, like, a blind spot for me in terms of I don't watch. So you think you can answer? I don't know the players. I can't, like, judge based on character. I really don't know these people.

[Jackie]

I agree. Which was why it was sixth booted. And I was like, maybe we'll talk about it tomorrow. I'm sure more stuff is going to come out. Yeah, but we talked about today.

[Claudia]

No, I'm glad. I'm glad we talked about it. Let's do TV recap. The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. The swirlies were swirling. Jackie and I both caught up on the most recent two episodes because I was behind from December. And let me just tell you, I continue to be dazzled by Ms. Erica Jane. Like, first of all, Ben was watching. Ben was watching with me, and he was obsessed with her home renovation. And then I went to her Instagram because this was obviously filmed a year ago. Like, where is the after. I want to see what he did with that cabana.

[Jackie]

I didn't go to her Instagram. I went to his Instagram. Martin Lawrence blog. No, not hers. I just wanted to see what his design is like, because I just wanted to see what the vibes would be. And he has a collab with ruggable, so that's exciting. If you like his vibes, you could get an affordable rug with ruggable. But yeah, no, he seems to be, like, super legit. And I'm so excited for her. And I was thinking, like, I don't. We don't realize it. How produced the show is, whereas everyone has to have a storyline every season. And that's why people get made fun of when they have, like, a boring storyline like Sutton buying a horse. But obviously Erica's storyline this season is redoing her house and. And, like, her life and how liberating that is for her. And let me tell you, it's the most interesting story of all time. Like, I could go for an hour of it. I know how the on its face is. Like, she's redoing her house. That's your story? Yes.

[Claudia]

Who cares?

[Jackie]

That's how.

[Claudia]

No, I completely agree. It's, like, actually makes me emotional for her. Like, I'm. I'm actually so happy and proud of her. And every time they flash back to, like, and what, like, the years of, like, really crazy things that she went through, and you look at her now and she, like, you can tell she's just even more, like, stripped back. She wears, like, less makeup. She's still, like, fabulous and everything, but she looks so at peace. It's really crazy, the journey that she's gone on, and I love her so much.

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Claudia]

And she's such a good friend to.

[Jackie]

Dorit, and Dorit needs that. And as this season, like, Dorit is my number one. And I watched a little bit of watch what happens live last night, and I was glad to see the audience is like team dorit over Sutton and team to read over Kyle at the moment. So I think everyone's rallying around Dorit and the fact that, like, Eric is really there for her. I do need her to, like, you.

[Claudia]

Know, go a little further.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Come off the fence a little bit.

[Claudia]

But who came off the fence, boss? Bose. I loved it because I like. I know that she likes to read better than she likes Sutton, but she has maintained this, like, level of neutrality. And even in her confessional, she's like, oh, these women are always fighting. I hate when new housewives do that. Claudia, you don't know the premise of the show.

[Jackie]

The same thought. And it's like, they never stick around to actually get involved. I'm sure Sutton's first season, she's like, these women are always fighting. And now, like, you're the one always fighting. Like, last season, I forgot the name of the other housewife, but she was, like, always commenting on the fighting. Except she did try and get involved, and it was premature. But, like, they always have one out. Jennifer Tilly, always someone commenting on how much these women fight. And then, like, they don't stick around to, like, actually see why they're always fighting.

[Claudia]

And it's.

[Jackie]

I feel like we know they always fight. Thank you. That's the point.

[Claudia]

The point. But bows, like, took her time. She surveyed. She, like, wanted to get to know people a little bit more. Actually think that was pretty smart of her. And she dipped her toe in, and I thought she was really.

[Jackie]

And on the right. The right. Because, like, Sutton went too far. Everyone could thousand percent.

[Claudia]

And she was being so hypocritical in that moment. Like, and that's the thing on the sprinter van. And then at the cowboy party, it's like you keep making these great declarations of sisterhood while saying, like, the nastiest shit alive. So how. How do we reconcile that? And Bose was just pointing out, like, the hypocrisy. Like, seriously, how do you say, like, sisterhood sister? And then you go and say something so mean to somebody who's going through something so hard that you've been through, so you know how hard it is. Like, you're using it as a weapon. And I don't like, weaponized. Like, shut up.

[Jackie]

Also, you know what? She didn't like the word violate from Sutton.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And, yeah, it reminded me of that. No, not from Sutton. From. From.

[Jackie]

Sorry, Crystal. Crystal. And in that moment, like, it was a strong word, and she. And I think she had success with that line of argument. Like, I don't like that word.

[Claudia]

So dramatic.

[Jackie]

I don't like that word. It's too strong. And now she's doing it again. It's like, no, no, no. You literally textbook weaponized.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Yeah. And I like how she explained it to her. Like, she was stupid. Well, you took something and you fashioned it to hurt someone else into a weapon. It was really brilliant. So I love to see Bose getting involved, and I feel like Dorit is really tough. Like, she can handle a lot. And she has Erica supporting her, but not vocally. So to have somebody, like, step in.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And this is somebody who I feel like, holds power in the group because they're waiting to see, like, where she falls, and everybody's kind of, like, kissing her ass a little bit, being like, we want to get to know boat, too. To try.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Like, her over at her home.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

Went to her home. Like, you act. You have to make a friendship.

[Jackie]

Right. Happen.

[Claudia]

It just didn't just, like, work that way. And so I was really happy to see her getting in there and shaking that thing.

[Jackie]

No, same. Dorit has been so strong. And I feel like in the beginning, she was, like, lashing out at Kyle, and it felt kind of like an overreaction. Like, she wasn't wrong in how she was feeling, but, like, it was just, like, a lot after nothing, and they're fighting over subtleties that we have maybe missed. So it just felt like an overreaction. But I felt like in the last two episodes, like, she really explained herself so well and had an answer to everything that was, like, charged at her. Like, she's going through a lot. And when she said, like, I'm going through a lot, I cannot tolerate, like, one more piece of in my life. So, yes, like, I am angry. Like, I felt that, and I feel like she's explaining herself so well and being, like, just a very strong person. When she chewed up Camille grammar and spat her out, oh, my God, that.

[Claudia]

Was the greatest moment of my life. Because, seriously, when I was not started talking, that I. That's probably one of my least favorite tropes, like, keeping around random housewives. And like, they're trying so hard to have a moment. And it was so clear that that's what that was. That conversation, that group of people, it had literally nothing to do. And the Camille's going on about her house burning down. Like, objection, relevance.

[Jackie]

When you zoom out, why was Camille at the party? Why was she in this conversation? Like, that's Kyle and that's Kyle, like, working behind the scenes to undermin, to undermine, to read and have bring one more enemy to the table so that she doesn't have to do the heavy lifting. And, like, that's the. That Dorit doesn't like that she's trying to tell us about.

[Claudia]

And why I'm gravitating so much towards Dorit is because she's actually the only person who speaks and makes sense. Like, when Sutton at the Aspen part or not. I keep saying the Aspen party, the cowgirl party was just like, literally saying words that were not English. It was so frustrating. I feel like Kyle does that a lot too. Just. Just talking for the sake of a scene, not because it's how you feel. And so she's making a lot of sense. Every time someone comes from. For her. I feel like she has a legit rebuttal. And now with this PK thing, I didn't think about it until actually, who was it? I feel like it was Garcelle who. Who stated. Like, it's weird.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I was trying to like, as much as. And Erica said this on Watch what happens live. Like, the texting and the meme sending between them. It's innocent. Totally innocent, but inappropriate. And I was trying to, like, just. Just put myself in, like, someone else she should use of, like, two couples that really get along. And if, like, they were all splitting, if the man and the woman, like, we're still communicating at all, like, how wrong that would be. And when. At the end of the day, like, I want to fast forward to when Dorit and Mauricio get together because that's how the story ends.

[Claudia]

Kyle and her confessional saying that, like, PK has been a better friend to me than Dorit has. Like, that's wait.

[Jackie]

While also saying at the table that no matter what happens, I'm going to take Dorit's side because I'm a girl's girl. And then going and saying, well, pika's a better friend to me. So, like, you wouldn't take to each side.

[Claudia]

Then she said a couple of things that were so crazy. She took a picture with Kesha and was like, oh, no. I'm taking a picture with a musician. Let the rumors start. As if the only thing she did was take a picture with Morgan Wade. She had a full blown relationship.

[Jackie]

She was like, confession.

[Claudia]

That was so crazy.

[Jackie]

Oftentimes, when I'm watching her confessionals, like, I get a really, like, weird. A weird vibe. Last night, too, there was, like, her confessionals were just, like, not hitting for me.

[Claudia]

No, it was really, like, not her gaslighting us. That, like, that whole saga didn't happen.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

The whole relationship didn't happen.

[Jackie]

That they weren't kissing in the music video.

[Claudia]

And now, like, they don't give your.

[Jackie]

Kitchen caster in the music video. Like, yeah, there might be rumors. Yes.

[Claudia]

No, now her and Morgan Wade don't talk. Oh, because you broke up. Like, like, it's just like the gaslighting. I. I don't remember it going down that way.

[Jackie]

Right. That is really funny.

[Claudia]

I just love Erica. Like.

[Jackie]

No, I know. Same. And then I just wanted to mention.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God. That story Garcelle told about Oliver. Wow. I was shocked because I was getting to the point where I'm like, I feel like of all the personal stories, we're getting so much Garcelle, like, family, personal work, and it was kind of getting boring. And then they sat down for dinner at beach house.

[Jackie]

And then I actually like the beach house story.

[Claudia]

When she was telling that story about Oliver. Oh, my God, like, I was clutching my pearls. I was like, holy, that's such a crazy story.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And she's always alluded to, like, we've always haven't had the best relationship, which, you know, could mean a million and things. So her sharing that now was really crazy. But I did really like seeing how far she's come, how much the beach house means for her entire family. Like, I actually. I really, really liked it. Even though when it comes to her role with the women, like, she is. So she's been.

[Claudia]

She's on the wrong side of his.

[Jackie]

Diametrically opposed to where I stand.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Also, someone said, I forget who it was. But, like, Sutton, for the last three seasons, has always been beefing with the person who was going through a hard time. And then the following season, she's like, I was too hard on you. I should have been a better friend. I'm sorry. Like, that's literally what she's doing right now to Dorit. Last lesson. It was the season before. It was Erica.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Because I think at first it came as, like, especially with Erica, we all had a lot of questions, so we Were kind of like, thank you, Sutton. Like the only person who's asking, like, what we all want to know, like, did you know LA Times, like all that stuff?

[Jackie]

I do think maybe she was emboldened by that because, yeah, she was like, oh, the viewers want me asking these. Emboldened. I almost, like, I almost went down like that path.

[Claudia]

And Galinda helped come true. We deserve each other, me and Bach.

[Jackie]

Glinda emboldened him. The audience has emboldened Sutton to think that we want her prosecuting everything when someone's going through it. So just like the violation, that was a strong word. She interrogated Erica, then she interrogated Kyle. And you know, with Kyle, we did have some questions and I do think at the time, like, she was being a bad friend, but viewers felt like she was the voice of the people. I think, I feel like Dorit has.

[Claudia]

Been so open with us. Oh, my God, she goes into drinking. No, literally, separation. I actually don't need an investigation. As an audience member, I feel like Dorit has been incredibly forthcoming.

[Jackie]

She's been so forthcoming to the point of like, oh my gosh, it's shining a light on how non forthcoming people are. They go to four hour therapy and she comes out and tells everything that went on on the inside. Like, I feel like people actually so acts like her life is perfect when she's literally sharing everything as it happens.

[Claudia]

There were so many questions around Kyle. Not only her divorce with Mauricio, but the Morgan Wade of it all. And she was like acting really weird. And so the questions were justified. For Erica, there was so many questions, but she was so limited in what she could say. So that must have been so fudgeing frustrating for her. But this, like, I have no further questions and if I did, I would ask to read directly and she would tell me.

[Jackie]

So. I do think that's why Sutton always finds herself beefing with the person who's going through it, because she thinks she's the voice of the people. And no.

[Claudia]

And by the way, her role as a housewife, like, is necessary.

[Jackie]

Yes, someone asked.

[Claudia]

It doesn't make her popular amongst the group.

[Jackie]

But in this situation, like, I actually don't have questions that I need. One of the women, like, Dorit is answering every single thing. And she will speak more when she's talking to someone who's being kind to her versus someone who is just being nasty to her. Like, she's. Just have lunch with her and you'll get all the information.

[Claudia]

You know, it was like such an annoying Sutton moment. Like, when they all arrived at the Pride party, and Bose arrives and, like, the first thing she says, oh, Sutton's like, I like your bracelet. Are you gonna use it as a weapon? Cringe, like, shut up. Like you thought you slayed the house down, Boots. And now I just, like, I feel uncomfortable.

[Jackie]

No. And, like, I think she, like, felt the weirdness too. So she, like, buttoned it up by saying, well, I think we all need a drink first. Like, that's what you say when you have nothing left to say. When you've made.

[Claudia]

Yikes.

[Jackie]

Weird.

[Claudia]

Yikes.

[Jackie]

It was just like. Like, Ako.

[Claudia]

Okay, okay.

[Jackie]

And I also want to shout out to read Stoddard, who is a burgeoning ballerina, because I saw over the break that Phoenix was the lead in the Nutcracker and Wizard of Oz on the same day. And PK and Duri were both posting a lot of videos of her. And usually I'm like, okay, I don't care about your kids, like, musical theater, extracurriculars. But Phoenix is a. Is a star. We saw a little bit of her dancing on the show. You could tell. Dorit's so proud. Like. Like, she's one to watch.

[Claudia]

Both of her kids are very sweet. And look, she's. She's really. Oh, my God, that thing at the end, like, where she's like, listen, do you know how hard it is for me to, like, know you're talking to my husband Kyle when I can barely get in touch with him? We're trying to co parent while also shield the kids because we don't know if we're gonna end up getting divorced. Well, you can't shield the kids forever. Sutton, shut up.

[Jackie]

I didn't say I'm shielding the kids.

[Claudia]

She didn't say she was. And two, like, I think it's perfectly reasonable to want to shield your kids from your separation. A lot of people get back together, so it's, like. To torture the kids for what? And they're super young. Like, it's so reasonable. And I feel like she's doing everything she can. I go to tennis, go to ballet. Put your sunscreen on. Like, she's working so hard, and everybody's just bothering me. Like, leave her alone.

[Jackie]

Yeah. No, it's so crazy. And you could see.

[Claudia]

Well, you can't shield them forever.

[Jackie]

You could see in her physical appearance how she's, like, changing through the season.

[Claudia]

Yeah, she looks, like, weathered, too.

[Jackie]

Like, very slim. She's always been slim, but just, like, skinnier than ever. And why more people aren't just being compassionate for her when literally every person in this group is divorced and has been through it. Like now is not the time.

[Claudia]

No, the only person like being compassionate is Bose and Erica and like that's my team. When they were sitting on one side of the couch, it was giving dream team. It's like literally giving Yolanda, Lisa and Brandy.

[Jackie]

It is the dream team.

[Claudia]

It is dream team. All right, you guys, that is our show. A nice long one for you. Thank you so much. The Milani morning show where we deliver the Fast 5 stories you need to every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So watching us on YouTube please help you subscribe this video. Thumbs up. We're also available as podcasts anywhere. Podcast to be found at Spotify, June Citra public radio cast box, all the places we send a podcast. A beautiful setting and goodly talented. We are.

[Jackie]

Love you. Bye.