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Good morning, girlies.
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It's the Toast.
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It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.
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It's your favorite show.
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The best five things you need to know.
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We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.
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They sound amazing.
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Welcome back to the Toast. But D. Yeah, that's right. Welcome back to the toast. JTS leaving today.
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I'm not leaving you guys. That could be confusing. I'm sad.
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Yeah, it could be confusing if you're dumb.
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Well, you just never know when we're like making an announcement when we're.
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And leaving a one thing about us, we are constantly leaving.
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We're literally never leaving. You could have said that about us, like, in the past.
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The most.
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If we want to do toast out
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of the sources in the podcast industry.
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If you want to do toast at a glance, we can go there. Like, we can.
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I mean, it's too early on a Monday to start toasting.
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We have so much to talk about today.
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The Knicks are NBA championship. The Alex Cooper hit piece has arrived. Like, and I use the word hip piece extremely lightly. So much to this.
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The girls are back together. I barely spoke to you this weekend because you were on a co journey, Fred.
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I was. I barely spoke to you this weekend. I forgot. Like, how are you wearing a T shirt?
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Good. I'm wearing a T shirt. Yeah. A little yellow T shirt with a little pink pant.
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I've just like given up completely on Luke's. Like, I'm just not in my aesthetic era. It's fine.
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I agree. But I got two new pairs of pants that are keeping me afloat.
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I think we're wearing the same pair of pants.
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Minor rag and bone. Who's are yours?
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We're not. I don't know. But it's not like a company I've ever heard of. So we're not wearing the same.
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And of course, the two pairs of pants, like, are the same rag and bone pants just in two different.
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Different colors of.
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Yes, yes.
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If I like it, I'll just get it in another color.
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I know, but there's. It only comes in two colors.
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So, like, the pants that I'm wearing come in three colors and I have all three. They come in like a denim so I look like I'm wearing jeans. They come in a white and then a blush pink like you're wearing. Which is why I thought we were wearing the same pants.
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Oh, but you're wearing the blush. Oh, you're wearing.
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These are white.
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You're wearing the white. I understand.
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Yeah. How are You. How does my hair look today, you fucking bitch?
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Oh, my God, you guys, I'm so sorry. I did not. I'm at an angle. I am at an angle.
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I can't believe that Friday's episode, for literally 45 minutes, not seconds minutes, I had, like, an alfalfa sprout coming out of my hair. And my sister, who's literally staring at me for the 45 minutes, doesn't say one word.
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So I'm not staring at you the way that the camera is. Like, when I turn on the episode in two seconds, I'm like, is someone gonna tell her about her hair? But, like, from where I'm sitting, like, at an angle, and your hair is the same color as a headphone. Like, I did not see it like that.
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The crazy thing was that, like, I felt it and I keep, like, futzing with it if you watch the episode, but I can't quite tame it. Like, I wasn't 100% sure. Like, which was hair, which was headphone. I was like, oh, maybe I'm just, like, feeling the headphones. I'm so like, I can't, I can't. I. I didn't want to clip anything from Friday's episode. I'm like, it needs to go in the garbage.
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No, I know. And it's like, all of the comments are just about the hair, as they should be. Even though, like, you know what?
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We should have, like, up hair more often. Engagement was off the charts.
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Yeah, it's true. It's true. No, no, no. I'm very, very sorry for. For not stepping in and for the distraction. I. I'll. I'll look closer. I'll look closer and I'll see you. I'll really see you.
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Huge weekend. The Knicks are NBA champions on Saturday night. They took it home in the fifth game, an away game. I was actually out of town. I was in New York State still, but I was upstate. You know, I was actually kind of glad. I was a little afraid of, like, what was going to go down in the city. I wasn't sure if I wanted the team to win or not because I'm like, it's. It was actually very peaceful viewing experience because I'm like, if they win, great. We're NBA champions. If we lose, like, the fun continues. I get to go to the game. So it was really a very low stakes viewing experience. And I was pretty sure they were going to lose because they were stinking it up until, like, the last minute.
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Love that. The Knicks can only win when they're when they're losing.
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Yeah. And Jalen Brunson in the NBA, like, postgame thing, when he was being interviewed, he was like, I don't know what it is. We show up to the game 20 minutes late. But we showed up. And, Yeah.
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I don't know why they have this underdog mentality. No. Like, they only can win if they're losing. That's it. Even in every single game, they're always coming from behind. If they ever had a lead. Like, when they're three and oh, and they're Adam, everything's going their way. No, no, no. That's the worst thing for them.
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Yeah. They operate well under pressure.
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Yeah. And, like, being losers, which is great
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because that makes them winners 100%. It's such an exciting time. Like, the city, like, everyone is wearing their merch. Everyone is wearing their merch.
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It's kind of like a toast merch drop. It's like a similar thing.
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Exactly, exactly. But we obviously have just, like, better styles and, you know, not everyone can afford. Shoptoastmerch.com yeah.
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Quality. Top quality fabric.
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Just really an insane end to an insane story. And I love that the way that it ended was just very much like the Jalen Brunson show, because what I like about the Knicks is, like, it's not just like, LeBron and like, a bunch of others.
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Like, it really isn't Webb and Yama and a bunch of others.
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Right. It's really like, a team, a team effort. Like, even the bench players are, like, huge. And even though, like, it is Jalen's team, and Jalen was kind of quiet this series, and then. Then he wasn't like. I think they had 90 points total, and he had 48 of them. Like, it was just insane. And it was very much like Jalen Brunson beating the odds. I didn't know that he had this sort of, like, villain origin story where people have just, like, he's 6 2, which is a very large height, but he's considered really small.
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I mean, when he's playing, he looks really short.
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Like, he does. Not even just with.
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Not even just with. We, like, with Carl Anthony.
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Yeah, he looks really small. And he is small. He's a point guard.
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Point guards are supposed to be shorty,
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but it's very rare that, like, the team star and, like, the team is built around the player who's the point guard. And I guess when the Knicks, like, restructured and brought Jalen Brunson on as their star and they were going to build the team around him, There was a lot of criticism, like, from the league. I'm now watching, like, fan edits of, like, Stephen A. Smith. Like, everyone who's ever been, like, this was a really bad call for the Knicks. He was just really doubted. And so I think that obviously winning the championship is so amazing, but when you also prove everyone wrong, it's like, an even better feeling. I will beat the odds. I can go the distance. I can face the world Fearless, proud, and strong. I will beat the odds. I can go the distance like it's a movie.
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Yeah. It's also great news for the shorties, you know, huge for our community.
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And by shorties, we are, of course, talking about the 62 basketball players.
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He's a shorty out there on that court.
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He looks 4 11. He looks like our height. It's insane that he's 6 2. And. And I thought that in regular games, too, not just against the Giant.
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Yeah. I have, like, a lot of, like, short. Like, like, you have a chip on your shoulder. No, no, no. Like, I just feel kinship to short people and people who, like, live the short life. Like, we are living two different lives from tall people.
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It's so funny because we are short. Like, I don't know. I'm shorter than.
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If you've ever met us in person. We are shorter than you think we are. We are just make five one flat. We just make five one.
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I with our.
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With our flats on.
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And I am so short. Like, I am shorter than average. And I want to say, like, I don't even think about it. Like, I don't feel short.
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Like, no, I love my height. Like, I love being short, but we are living a different experience.
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No, I know, but I don't even think, like, I don't identify as short. I don't notice that, like, other people are taller than me or that other people, like, live differently. Unless I'm at a concert.
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Yeah, no, me neither, really. But when I see a short. And, you know, like, when I always talk about Sabrina, especially when she's always, like, with the tall girls. Like, Taylor only hangs out with tall girls. So, like, it's just different when you're a shorty.
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Yeah. And being a celebrity who's either really short or really small, like, it's not always easy to see, like, in pictures are on Instagram. I remember when I met Kim Kardashian. She's my height.
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Yeah. And that's like, Kim and Kourtney are very short, like us.
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Yeah.
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And so, like, that's our people, you know, like, as Much as we love Taylor, like, she's too tall to be our friend. We have one tall friend, and I do feel like it complicates things.
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Who is our tall friend?
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Kristen.
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That's what I thought you were gonna say.
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We have one tall friend.
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I know. And every time we take a picture, it's just, like, it's a gross inconvenience.
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Two different pictures. It's true.
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It's true.
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That's how much we love her.
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She's not even tall, by the way. She's, like, normal. Maybe a little slightly above average. Like, we are not normal. So I'm just really happy for my good friend Jalen. I think Mariska Hargitay. Like, I think, like, somebody needs to take her phone away. Like, I get that she's a really big fan, and I would literally lay my life out on the line for her. Like, she's contributed just as much to New York City as Jalen has. And, like, Jalen loves her. How exciting is that? Like, Jalen keeps doing interviews about how much he loves her, but, like, at some point, it gets to a point, and, like, Jalen Brunson is married, and, like, she's bordering on, like, yeah, she said that. That the Knicks winning was better than her wedding to Peter Herman. Like, where is Peter Herman? He's being thrown under the bus. That's where he is cracking up. She's kind of. And then she posted, like, a really intimate picture of, like, her hugging maybe OG or I think Shailen Brunson, and she blurred out the whole background. Her Instagram's an insane place to be right now. And I just want to say it
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gets to a point that's like Timothy saying that he'd rather the Knicks win than him win an Oscar.
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Yeah.
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Which I agree. Like, there's always going to be another
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Oscar, another movie, but, like, another opportunity. Yeah.
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For the odds of Timothy winning an Oscar are much higher than the odds of the Knicks winning a championship. Up until now.
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Yeah.
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I'm happy for Timothy. I was shocked that Kylie wasn't there. Genuinely shocked. I know.
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I. I understand her, like, not wanting to go to San Antonio, although there are far worse.
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Although she has Texas. She has a plane.
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Yeah.
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So she could fly in and, like, fly out after the game. She doesn't have to sleep there.
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And, you know, Timothy is, like, not as wealthy as Kylie, so, like, he has to charter and share. Like, I saw he flew with Fat Joe. Like, you know, if he gets to fly Kylie Air, it's just like him. And maybe Stormy. Like, it's much more private. No.
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And like, Sydney went with Scooter and
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Sydney bought tickets for Scooter and his family.
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Yeah. So cute. But like, they've been dating shorter and like, Kylie and Timothy are like Nick Staples. I was surprised she didn't go. I was really surprised. Disappointed.
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Wow.
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Disappointed that I didn't see her. Not like disappointed in her.
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You know what I mean? I'm not, I'm not mad, just disappointed.
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But they still won, so I. Maybe she thought they, like wouldn't win and then she'd be there for the New York game. But I was. I was surprised. I was surprised.
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I don't know when the parade is. It might be today. I think it might be tomorrow. I fear I have to go.
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Okay.
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I'm a little afraid and like, I wish it was like going to be like fun and family friendly and I could like bring the stroller, but, like, it's not happening.
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Yeah.
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I feel like it's going to be demonic.
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I don't really. I mean, we don't even know what a New York parade looks like.
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We've literally never had one in our lifetimes. Yeah, it was really beautiful.
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Like, how's that? I feel like I need to call him. Like, I feel like weird that I haven't called him. Like it's his birthday or he just like graduated birthday.
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The amount of time times his phone was blowing up when it was over, like people checking in on him, you
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know, I actually, like, I felt that way this morning.
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I'm like, is it weird that I
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haven't spoken to Ben to like congratulate him on his check on him?
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Yeah, he's doing really well. I think overall, like, his disposition is just so light and airy. I don't know when he's back in the cloud. Thank God.
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Thank God.
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Like taking up space in the cloud. And I think he loves it there. It's affecting all facets of our life. Like, he's very happy, he's very joyful, he's light. We haven't fought. Like, it's great.
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That is so, so great.
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Yeah, it's been really exciting. I love. I'm sad it's over. I'm glad it happened. I'm like kind of chasing the high of what I felt. Like I was watching soccer. Like, it.
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Yeah.
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I felt nothing, but I was trying to. Except when I watched Dan and Shay's national anthem. Did you hear it?
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I. I saw that they sang. Where did they sing it? There was a lot of sporting events
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this weekend, so FIFA World cup is taking place like all over the country.
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Yes, I do believe that. North America, Mexico too.
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So I think it was at MetLife Stadium. I have no idea. Yes, it was the official opening game, opening ceremony and you know, it's like the Olympics. You have to like stunt and do your whole culture. And I thought at first it was like a very strange choice to have. Dan and Shay, while I particularly love
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them, are the culture.
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Of course. No, I love them. I think they represent American music, but they're relatively unknown these days. I don't want to say yet that they're like has beens, but I know they're working.
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They're legacy artists.
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They're legacy on their comeback. I know they've changed management. Like things are going well and I think that while maybe I wouldn't have chosen them, I've seen the first of all. The performance was chilling. Like insane harmonies, the two of them, like, I've seen it everywhere. It is so viral and I think it's been really good for them and I'm really happy for them to have this global moment. It was beautiful. And for me with the anthem, like, I always have thoughts and criticisms about the choice but when it comes down, all I care about is the performance itself. So I could love you. I could think it was a good choice, bad choice. I am judging just your vocals. I don't care how famous you are. Once we start, we start. And this is a hall of fame performance. It was chilling.
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Oh, amazing. I have to go listen. Yeah, truly amazing.
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It was a truly amazing weekend.
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Yeah. As all weekends really mostly are. I love just the sheer fact of weekend.
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Gotta have more of them.
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Yeah. Oh, we had a big weekend here. Training season.
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Training season.
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Potty training season. We were supposed to do it last weekend but we got delayed due to schedule interferences. So we did it this weekend and it's really. It's going.
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And I. And I went into the potty.
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The Claudia now can make a pee pee.
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I am potty trained. I did four peas and one poop. We had a couple of accidents along the way. But I'm excited for this new co journey friend that I'm going on. And I love the party. The party don't start till I walk in.
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I've been seeing. We've been seeing like a lot of like videos and stuff and pictures from when we were younger. We've just been like in that era of like going through stuff and like you always had your potty with you.
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So I believe potty training was a Particularly fraught journey for me. And I actually have memories. I don't have a lot of memories from, like, obviously before I'm five. I remember me in that toilet.
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Yeah.
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That. Like, my friend, the toilet. I remember. I think at one point it got to a place where, like, I. It was just not taking. And I was relegated to the garage because I have a lot of memories of shitting in the garage. And I also remember being, like, afraid of that little toilet. I know it's, like, supposed to be colorful. It's not a real toilet. It's literally just, like, a plastic bin.
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Yeah.
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Like, feeling, like, afraid that I was, like, gonna be so close to my own, like, poop and pee. Like, I'm like, it's right there.
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I guess that's a good point.
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Yeah. That's how I feel now when I go to the bathroom on a plane. I could never take a poop on a plane. It's like my poop is three inches from my skin. Like, that's insane. Like, I need a big, long drop. No. And there's no drop. Like, so I remember. Yeah. My toilet and I, we were sort of thick as thieves.
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Yeah. They're in, like, every picture together. She's never far from her.
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Like, I remember it. It's the primary colors. It's like, red, yellow, and blue. I remember. Remember it so vividly.
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Yeah. Which is funny, because the way that we're doing it, it's like, we'll only use that toilet for a couple of days, and then we'll go to the
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big toilet, to the big boy toilet. I remember also being afraid of the toilet.
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Well, a toilet is a very scary thing.
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It is.
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Where does it come from? Where does it go? No.
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And it's like, what's coming. And I should never have watched that movie Spice World where the guy climbed out of the toilet, because then it made me realize, like, not only can things go down the toilet, things can come up the toilet as well. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I was like, okay, a snake is coming.
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Yeah.
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Agree that I blame.
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And like, girls, we potty train, like, before automatic flushes. But I imagine that's a major source of anxiety.
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And, you know, I've, like, never fully recovered since I flushed the Bentley toilet, the Jaguar keys down the toilet accidentally at the rest stop. So automatic flushes. And I, like, we have no trust. I think that they're. I. I love the sanitation element of it. Obviously, we're not all, like, kicking or pushing down the same little flush, but beyond that, they are so flawed.
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I actually.
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I Like the ones where you wave.
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Oh, I don't know. I feel like that's faulty technology. I think the kick flush is perfectly fine.
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Yeah, I never had a problem with it.
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We all kick it.
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We'd be kicking.
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Gotta kick it up.
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I'm caught up on Love Island.
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Oh, you watched last night. You were very quiet in the group chat.
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I went to bed at 8 o'.
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Clock.
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I watched it this morning while I got ready par g. I watched Real Housewives of Rhode Island. I'm so caught up. Ready to take on the week. Got nine hours of sleep. I'm ready to go.
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thank you, Doctor.
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You're welcome.
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Our first story, the Vanity Fair article about Alex Cooper Unwell and Matt Kaplan dropped on Friday called Daddy Issues Trouble behind the Scenes of Alex Cooper's Unwell media empire. Over 40 sources, including current and former Unwell employees, have spoken to Vanity Fair about Alex's company and the man calling the shots at the Gen Z media empire, her husband, Matt Kaplan.
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So I was underwhelmed, to say the least. People have been talking about this article for a while. When it was taking so long, I started to feel like maybe they had nothing. You're talking to so many people over months. She was said she was working on this before Alex got canceled. It was just sort of like a coincidence. And I don't know if it's that juicy. Like, it's not going to take that long. And. And then they dropped it behind a paywall on a Friday. And I was like, oh, wow, they really had nothing. And I wasn't gonna read it, but, you know, somebody sent me a PDF so I did read the whole thing to have to finish while I was getting my nails done. And let me tell you, there was nothing there. Like, like genuinely nothing. I guess the big crime against her is that, like, she's girl boss, femme queen, and her husband runs her company. And I just feel like a distinction was not made in the fact that, like, her husband runs no successful part of her company. I don't think he's got a foot in Call her Daddy. He runs all the other shit. And it's like, yeah, well, who else is going to do it? Like, not her. She, like the article said, is like never at work because she works on one of the only successful elements of Unwell, which is call her Daddy. Yeah, I didn't think that was so crazy. And like, yeah, girls get married. Even the girl bosses get married. And it's like, yeah, relying on your partner is not a crime. I guess when you're like, it's not
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just that they came to work for her and they're working for him. It's that he's like a toxic well.
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B
Yes, yes. I'm talking about her crimes. Like what they were accusing her.
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Well, she let her husband take over her company again. These girls are coming to work for her. And then she also lets her husband. She's. They made sure to say at a lot of these instances where he's berating people, you know, talking disrespectfully to them. She's right there.
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Yeah. And I don't know, call me old fashioned, but the workplace toxic allegations, like, don't do it for me. Those are not real allegations.
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Like, they don't do it for me so much too, because also they can be like, so subjective. Someone's feelings got hurt. Someone, you know, of course. So. But that's what does it. First, if someone went on call her daddy and said, my boss did all these things, she would say, how dare he?
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Abuse. Yeah. I think that it's like a very stereotypical, like, Hollywood, like, greasy guy whose wife is now, like, uber successful, like, sort of trying to make his bones on being, you know, the big man in charge. Nothing in the article was surprising. I. I feel like when the journalist spent like three paragraphs defending her self, like, I guess, like, they knew the article was coming and Alex Cooper and her company, like, sent very, you know, strongly worded legal letters, like, trying to get it to stop. There's. You really can't stop articles like this. The most famous, powerful people always, like, send their lawyers. But it's like, it's freedom of the press. Like, it is what it is. And so they also were alleging that this journalist was in bed with Alex Earl because the journalist opens the whole article with this Alex Earl thing. And she's weaving the Alex Earl thing throughout the episode, throughout the article. And I'm like, oh, thank God we're gonna find out what happened.
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Even she doesn't know.
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So it was like she just kept baiting us with the Alex Earl thing. And I would have thought, you know, weeks and months and interviews, you would know, maybe we would find some resolution as to what happened. She was again, and nobody knows.
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Yeah. Okay. We knew that, like an Alex Earl angle. I was getting more so, like, they. She was focusing on this, like, mean girl thing, which is now like, Alex
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Cooper's like, letter was alleging that this journalist was in bed with Earl because one time she, like, wrote a piece for Air Mail magazine.
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Yeah. It was like a fluff. He's like a what's in your bag? Sort of thing.
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That's just what these journalists do. They have to pay their bills.
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Yeah. And they, like, wrote a letter, like, if this comes out, like, we will ruin you.
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B
Yeah. And she's like this really young, novice journalist and she was just like, sort of defending herself. And I was just like, why am I reading your diary? It was like, hit pieces never hit. Like, I feel like the last Couple of ones. It's like, that's all you got. Remember like the long awaited Ariel Charness one. Like there was so she didn't know how to pronounce vivrel. Like it was so like we've lost the meaning of hippies. I, I, I. Yeah, especially when there's
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so much hype for something. I feel like when it comes out of nowhere. And especially so in the last month, I think, you know, the, the veil has been pulled a little bit from behind. Call her daddy from unwell. You know, let's say even three months ago, it was like the pinnacle of like girl boss feminism. Women supporting women. Fuck that man. Fudge men.
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Yeah.
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And slowly, like we've seen that that's like not the case like in her personal life and behind the ethos of
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B
the brand doesn't align.
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Right. And so if this had dropped, then it would have been more shocking. The man runs the company and he does it in a mean way. All of these things have been said over the past three months that now that you're saying them again, it's like, yeah, we know what's new.
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Yeah, welcome.
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Yeah, like, join us. So it never like hit in a way where it was a major shock. Now I'll also say, I think for us it's like not a major shock because like, people talk and like you've heard these things. But yes, I wonder if like for her fans, fans who listen to who really just like listen to her podcast, like believe every thing that she's putting forth in the messaging and then to see this, like, I would imagine that you're like, what? What? Yeah, who is, who am I listening to?
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She then took a very, you know, interesting approach. She didn't directly comment or even acknowledge the piece, but she was hella active on social media this weekend, which we've talked about this while dissecting this saga at great length, is that she's really not an influencer. She does not share most of her life, anything personal. And she's managed to get away with being like a really successful creator podcaster without really sharing anything about herself or her life or her personal life, which is kind of a slay, honestly. And I think that either as a distraction or to sort of like garner goodwill, just like sharing, she took this girls trip and just like lots of bump pictures and dogs, you know, you know you're in trouble, your dogs. So while she didn't directly acknowledge it, it was kind of obvious that she was just like putting shit out there.
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Yeah. And that's like saying like, I don't give a fudge. Like, you're not getting a statement. It's business as usual. I'm having a great time. I'm not like sitting in my house crying and I'm stressing out about this. I think she, like, she probably knew the article was dropping so she decided to get away. That's like a good thing to do. Especially like being pregnant and just like wanting to be like low stress and. Yes, because if she didn't post anything on Friday, which she probably wouldn't have if it was just a regular Friday, correct, people would be like, oh my God, she's running scared. When are we going to hear from? The next thing she posted would have been like a big deal, everyone reading into it. And instead it's like it really neutralizes the bomb. And it wasn't a big bomb.
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A Friday paywall, like, seriously, I'll take that any day.
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I agree. But you know when, when you don't go through like things like this often and all press about you is good press like this. This might be the biggest bomb she's ever dealt with.
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Yes, that's true. Also, what was the other thing I wanted to say? I don't remember. They touched briefly on like Sophia Gate and the article had the same title as her book, Daddy Issues, which is not like the most unique, but it was weird. Just said it.
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Yeah, I didn't really notice, but I guess that's just like the obvious title for. Or also it's more like Unwell is unwell.
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Yeah. You know, overall, this saga, you know, Alex Earl on like all of it. Do you think it has or will have like an overall like legitimate effect on her or. No. Her business, her popularity.
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No, I don't. I think that she has like transcended, needing like public approval. Yeah. And I think celebrities really like her. I think like their PR teams like her. I think they like the experience of going on call her dad. Yeah, it's a very premium experience. You get like great content, great clips, you're asked the questions that you want to talk about. And I think it like serves a need it. She's like, oh, so almost like ascended to this level of like cable like, or like these late night shows that actually I don't have a lot of viewers but like they serve a purpose in the larger ecosystem and like that's what she has. And it doesn't necessarily matter if she's popular today or not. Like, she is there, she's set.
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And that's part of like her show not being about her. So like when we talk about her not sharing anything or being. Yeah. It's not about you, so it's kind of works. Also about her husband because, like he is. He's the main topic in the article. But like, nobody cares. He's not famous. Like, whatever.
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No, but like the fact that she's like, you know, stands by for some of this stuff and is with someone who is like.
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Right.
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Who is this way is just so incongruous with everything she's ever girl boss.
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B
Yeah.
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If we're worried about like congruousness.
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Yes, yes, that's true. I feel like the article and like people are. They talk a lot about Unwell and I will say, like, overall, unwell has like, I think certain elements of it that like do well. But overall, I don't know, they're like a podcast network. They're an events company. They make drinks.
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Like they make reality tv.
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Right. I think that it's actually like a poorly run company. Like, I don't think he's doing a good job. And one of the really only successful elements of it is call her daddy, which like, I think she runs entirely and he doesn't.
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It's not even like a successful element. It's not like unwell built that and.
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B
Correct.
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So it's just like a separate entity.
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B
Yeah. And that's why she's like, if you work for call her daddy, you'll work with Alex. Yeah.
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And I don't even think of call her daddy as part of unwell, which is really crazy. Me neither.
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B
Yeah, I know.
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I actually, I feel like it might not even be in some way. Like it might be like licensed to undue. Well, you know what I mean? But still hers. Because if she actually made it part of Unwell and then that's his and she actually didn't call her dad. Not just like unwell, which is a thing that they're building together. Fine, build it together.
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B
Well, if they're married, like it would be half. Oh, no. I guess if she started it before. Right. How does it work?
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Yeah, it should be hers.
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Yeah, that would be bad.
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That would be crazy, them having unwell together. 50 like that makes sense.
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Sure.
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They're working on it together. And by the way, he's doing a lot of work apparently.
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I just feel like unwell is like not worth the trouble. I feel like this happens a lot with like celebrity started brands where it's like, I don't know why. Just being a successful podcaster and building a successful media company around Just call her daddy. Like, wasn't enough. And why they had to go and do all this? They, like, I think almost 100 employees. Like, that's fucking crazy. Like, for what? Like, just be a podcaster. Like, and that's still to this day, like, really what you are. And like, what the company is known for is call her daddy. All these things. Like, really, Was it worth the hip piece?
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No, I. I don't know. But it also like, allows you, if it goes well, it allows you to like, not have to work so hard one day.
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B
Yeah, but I think she likes working hard at like the thing. The one thing.
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Yeah, the. Yeah, the.
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At the thing. Call her show. Her show and.
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Yeah, but she is also. She does a lot for like these events and stuff and like, you know, just putting, like.
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B
Yeah, no, like, putting her. Like, for what?
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A
I don't know. I don't. Maybe.
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No, like, if that was me, like, you would not catch me working that hard.
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A
Maybe all of this, like, will make her reassess. Maybe like becoming a mother will make her reassess. Like, you know, where she wants to invest her time.
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She's just like in too deep a little bit now to shut down operations of Unwell.
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A
And I'm sure like so much money has gone into it because, like, it operates at like such a high level.
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B
Right. And that 125 million dollar deal she got from SiriusXM, like, is for Unwell. Yeah, it's to. To, you know, create shows. Oh, an interesting piece from the article that I didn't know was that Phoebe Gates, like, low key drama.
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Drop.
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Drama.
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Oh, sorry, I thought you said Loki
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Droppa, the Unwell show with Phoebe Gates and her like, co founder. We were talking about them last week. Fia. Bill Gates is order. She's like this entrepreneur. If you watch Love Thy Neighbor, she had like a podcast and I was saying how weird it is that like, this is Phoebe Gates, Bill Gates, his daughter. One of their first guests was Kris Jenner. Like a business podcast about. Kris Jenner signed me up. This podcast, I can't get arrested. I see it everywhere with three views. Like, it's just not popular. And the article was like, unwell, let us know or release a statement that like Burnouts is not coming back for season two. While Burnouts let us know they're actively looking for a new network.
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Interestant. Yeah, interestant. Watch this space.
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Watch a space. Weird. I. I feel like when we were talking maybe a few weeks ago about like, what's coming up for Alex Cooper, we were talking about this Big article and then Sophia's book. And it would sort of be like a falling of the dominoes. I don't really feel. I didn't see a lot of people talking about it again. Friday dropped behind a paywall.
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A
I actually, I didn't think I saw anyone talking about it.
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B
I saw like a couple of like. And a lot of people are very excited to, like, talk about Alex Cooper and like, bring her down because I think that, like, it somehow makes them feel better. Like, there is a huge element of jealousy from, like, other women, like, creators. I saw like a bunch of women doing, like, here's everything from the article that you. I read it, so you didn't have to. There's a lot of that.
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So they're gonna like, cherry pick the things that sound the most outrageous. But, like, if you actually read the whole thing, it. There's not. And especially because we have the. It was already neutralized. We knew this.
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Yeah.
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You know, we knew it.
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B
Yeah. I guess there's still the book. And I feel like when we talk about Alex Cooper holistically at a glance, like her biggest crime, like, if we're gonna.
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Is Sophia the original sin.
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It has always been Sophia the original sin. I love that. Yeah. So I feel like when the world starts talking about that, there's much more to pick from in terms of her crimes.
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Yeah. Also, don't forget Alex Earl show talking about the drama. Oh, another domino. I think that's the only thing because also, as much as, like, I'm like, read Sophia's book, you know, support a fellow swirly. I don't know that, like, the audience here wants to read a whole ass book on this.
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Agreed.
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They want a sound bite. Maybe someone will clip the audiobook or something. But like, yeah, they. This has all been done snackably and no one's reading a whole book. Yeah.
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But it's also, like, I don't think people care as much. People, like, live for the Alex Earl, Alex Cooper, like, the Sophia stuff. Maybe it's because, like, it's so long ago or like, everyone really just took her side. And I think people maybe still stand by what she did. But, like, people aren't as moved by that as we were.
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A
Yeah. Yeah, I agree. So that's the disappointing article. Do better.
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B
I also wanted to ask you one more question. Who are you talking to? Like, what do you think is the. Should be, like, the ethics policy around writing a hit piece? That's not like, you know, if. Yeah. She was out here murdering. Or like, that's not really necessary. On a pregnant person.
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Pregnant woman.
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Sorry. Yeah, pregnant woman.
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I mean, I don't. I have a different moral code then.
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Yeah.
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Journalism.
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And I feel like in terms of what was actually alleged in here, like, it wasn't necessarily, like, need to know information.
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Honestly. Honestly, like, I mean, journalists gonna journal. But for me, like, this, like, lukewarm piece, like, didn't need to come out. And especially because she's pregnant, but they don't care.
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I also want to say, like, investigating someone's whole life for weeks, talking to old friends, colleagues. And this is the worst when you think about it at a glance, like. Like they kind of sound like nice people. Like, honestly, like, that's the worst that you got. He was like, yelling at other co workers and like, yes, I do think workplace, like toxic workplace allegations are very subjective because it's like, yeah, there's a power dynamic. You can just.
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These were the worst things. He made their assistant change her name because it was that. Okay.
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By the way, that is an old rumor started by Dumois that Alex Cooper has actually addressed saying how absurd it is. And the article just recirculated the fact that this rumor once existed. They did not confirm or deny it. And I actually feel like it's not true.
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Thank you for. For that clarity. Asked an employee about their sex life. But, like, isn't it a sex.
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You're working at the company, right? Seriously, it's Glucklock Incorporated. What the fuck do you guys expect? And you guys loved that about her so much that you went to work for Gluck Lock. Like, what are we talking about?
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It's true. It's true.
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It's a sex positive company.
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Yeah, it is. That's like the whole point.
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It's a whole point.
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So, yeah, I agree. So, yeah, if this is like all the wind up, I actually think, like, at a. Yeah. If this is the worst of it all, not so bad. But you know what I feel like for her being pregnant, like, knowing this was coming, it's kind of just better to have it out, be done with it instead of like the waiting and like the wondering what's in there. Like, now she can just deal with it however she wants. And like, I think sometimes, like, the waiting is worse.
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Absolutely.
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That was like Lucy and. And tell me lies. Not wonder, knowing when it's gonna come out.
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Of course, it always comes back to Lucy.
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Are you ready for our next story?
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Yes.
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Kyle Cook and ex Amanda Batula were spotted smiling and laughing together. Dave's after his bombshell People magazine interview about their Split. So pictures emerged out of nowhere. Paparazzi photos of, like, Kyle and Amanda, like, thriving, leaving.
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I thought it was an old photo.
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They just look, like, so happy. And not to say that they're together, but, like, we haven't seen her smile in months. And so here's what happened. So Kyle and Amanda filmed the in the city reunion, and afterwards, the whole crew went to a bar. Amanda was, like, with Kyle, you know, because they're friends, and he's looking out for her. And then as they were leaving, Kyle said that, like, he made a joke to her. Like, imagine the paparazzi spotted us leaving together, and as they walked out, there were cameras there, so they both started laughing. And we got these, like, like, funny candid photos. Very beautiful, Very beautiful. The lighting's amazing. She looks, like, truly happy.
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Thank God she actually, in, like, recent photos, has just been looking so depressed. Oh, I guess. Wes Wilson, on his podcast that nobody listens to, said that he wanted the Knicks to lose on Saturday because the next game would be on Tuesday, which is when that, like, Summer House bonus episode airs. And so it would just be really helpful for him if everybody was watching something else besides that. And, like, thank God they didn't. I guess everyone's free tomorrow.
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Yeah. Also, Lindsay Hubbard then, like, got so mad. What did she say? She called him trash for, like, hoping people would skip their episode. I guess that does make him, like,
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a bad worker, bad friend. Yeah. I also heard that Lindsay Hubbard is dating Dustin lynch, this country singer.
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A
I love that. No, I didn't. But I'm going to go into one
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B
of his concerts because, you know, she, like, spends a lot of time in Nashville. She went to, like, this private concert. I don't know.
- [42:41]
A
Oh, I love it. She said, west Wilson, you are trash. Trying to get people not watch our show that I brought you on. You should move immediately.
- [42:49]
B
She said. It's so true. This is, like, the show that Lindsay Hubbard built.
- [42:52]
A
Brother, you get paid for that episode. Just be thankful you still have a paycheck from our show.
- [42:57]
B
Ooh, slay not for long.
- [43:00]
A
So, yeah, these were, like, cute photos. Like, happy. Like, I don't need it to be all bad. All hate all the time for her.
- [43:06]
B
Like, no, same. Like, I. I watched Sierra on Love Island. Like, she is so in a different stratosphere. Like, let the poor girl smile, okay? Like, no, you don't have to let the mouse go, but, like, it's okay. Like, you know what? It's kind of now, like, I stopped feeling bad for Ariana Maddox in scandinaval because it's like you're so rich and famous now and you got rid of this enormous loser in your life. No, it's win, win, win, win.
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A
The best thing that ever happened to her.
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B
It is the best thing to ever happen to Sierra. This is finally. This is a person who was never going to get over West. Like, literally never. But he did the thing that she can't ignore. Great. You're free, you're rich, and you're famous.
- [43:44]
A
Yeah. And you sniffed out a rat in your midst, too.
- [43:46]
B
Oh, yes. Yes.
- [43:48]
A
Yeah. And it. And for sure it hurts. Like, when it happens. And then, like, once, like, the shock wears off and the opportunities roll in. Like, okay, let's.
- [43:56]
B
You're too booked and too busy.
- [43:57]
A
Yeah.
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B
To really think about it.
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A
Yeah. Are you ready for our next story?
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B
Three.
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A
Number three.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Emily Ratajkowski penned an essay for the Cut about the end of her marriage and her single era. And she makes a shocking confession about her sex life with her ex husband, Sebastian Bear McClure. McClard. If you think thought I wasn't going to pick an article about Sebastian Mayor McLard, you were wrong. And also, it's kind of tea filled.
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B
One thing about Jackie is she is not going to let Sebastian bear McLard sleep.
- [44:28]
A
No, I will not.
- [44:30]
B
She keeps her foot on his neck.
- [44:33]
A
He is so integral to the lore of this show. You would not be turdy without. If Emily Ratajkowski had not married Sebastian
- [44:43]
B
Baron, this random person, this.
- [44:45]
A
You would not be turdy.
- [44:47]
B
And I don't think it gets talked about enough that literally last summer I met Sebastian Bear McLart. We took a picture together. He told us that he knew about the lord of the podcast. Like, this show's impact is just never ending. Like, really.
- [45:01]
A
So now we're getting, like, more information from their divorce. I didn't realize they were married for four years.
- [45:05]
B
Like, yeah, it happened quickly. It was also crazy because when they met and dated and got married, she was like the hottest thing in terms of, like, popularity. And she. Everyone was like, who will she date? Who will she date? And she dated this, like, random nobody. And like, the whole saga, like, the arc of it was so strange.
- [45:23]
A
It was strange. But I actually don't think he was, like, such a random nobody because he's tall. He's taller than her, and she's tall.
- [45:30]
B
And he's friends with famous people.
- [45:32]
A
And he's friends with famous people and he's very handsome. And I just feel like he's an heir.
- [45:37]
B
No, but, like, the name Sebastian Bear McClair like we hadn't heard it. He was not famous.
- [45:41]
A
No, no, we hadn't heard it. But oh yeah, he was shipping her with Zacapro. He was random in that sense.
- [45:46]
B
Yes.
- [45:47]
A
In terms of being unknown. But you know the models, they like to go for like a business, like a. Yeah, in the back.
- [45:53]
B
Remember when they like were squatting in their apartment and like to pay rent?
- [45:56]
A
Of course.
- [45:57]
B
As some sort of like political statement.
- [46:00]
A
Yeah, statement.
- [46:00]
B
But it's like, girl, pay your rent. We do.
- [46:03]
A
Yeah. No, that was very defiant and brave of them.
- [46:06]
B
Extremely.
- [46:07]
A
So she said that she stopped having sex with her ex husband six months after their son Sylvester was born. And then six months later they divorced.
- [46:16]
B
Got divorced.
- [46:17]
A
So, yeah, it's all about. She wrote this essay for the cut, including a photo of her breastfeeding a doll. And it's all about, you know, her divorce, her transition and her single era. Um, it's pretty, it's pretty detailed. Detailed, yeah, I would say so. She said her marriage collapsed over a period that felt both instant and excruciatingly slow. Apparently he cheated on her. That's what the source said. I think we knew that.
- [46:48]
B
I think we did too.
- [46:49]
A
That he's a serial cheater is what an insider said. Then she talked about, you know, being a divorced woman dating as a single mother, what she thought it was going to be, how she went through like sort of a. A big sex era. She talks about a bunch of the different guys that she dated. She said there was a vegan graffiti artist, a chef who thought he might have Bobby.
- [47:11]
B
Bobby Fly.
- [47:12]
A
That's so Bobby Flay. A Spanish gen zer who couldn't stop sending nudes. A heavily self medicated son of a billionaire with questionable politics, several Italians and of course another dj. She said the list.
- [47:21]
B
Sorry, we have to go back to the billionaire son. Say it again.
- [47:25]
A
A heavily self medicated son of a billionaire with questionable politics. Several Italian. Oh, then comma, then there's also several Italians that she dated a billionaire's son. I feel like it's like someone like the guy that Camila Cabello was just dating.
- [47:42]
B
So funny. I was thinking.
- [47:43]
A
Or like the one that Anna de Armas.
- [47:46]
B
She did like a Cuban like politician
- [47:49]
A
Son, son the sun. So maybe he's a bit of a dictator.
- [47:55]
B
He was a dictator, now that I recall.
- [47:56]
A
Thank you. Yes. So that was controversial.
- [48:01]
B
Okay. One thing about me is like I don't keep up with Emily Ratajkowski.
- [48:06]
A
I do keep up with Sebastian Bear though.
- [48:08]
B
I feel like happy and pleasant in my life because of that decision. Like, I thought. I, I. You guys are sick of me talking about this, but I find, like, her whole brand of, like, being a writer who always shows her boobs. Like, don't look at her boobs.
- [48:23]
A
Don't look. Because she's a writer.
- [48:25]
B
Feminist and a writer.
- [48:27]
A
And don't look.
- [48:28]
B
And breasts.
- [48:29]
A
Even though I'm showing you my boobs.
- [48:31]
B
Yeah, I. I'm very off put by, like, her whole thing.
- [48:38]
A
Yeah.
- [48:39]
B
It's not me. We don't talk enough that she made out with her. It's not me.
- [48:43]
A
It's her.
- [48:45]
B
Yeah, it's. It is her. So sorry that happened. Wishing you well. Good luck.
- [48:51]
A
Good luck. You would actually. There are a lot of, like, bits and bobs in this article.
- [48:54]
B
You would hate it. You would actually feel like when her book of essays came out, like, it was floated to me. Like, you should read that book. And it's like, I actually should not.
- [49:02]
A
No, you should not. You should not listen to that podcast.
- [49:05]
B
Speaking of, I still have Lena Dunham's book unopened on my nightstand. It is on my list of things to do. I feel pretty good about the fact that, like, the hoopla's over, so, like, whenever I pick it up, I pick it up. Nothing's gonna get spoiled. Like, it's all good.
- [49:17]
A
Yeah. Speaking of people that we love, Molly Mae and Tommy Fury had a boy, and the name was revealed at his big fight this weekend. And the name is Midas.
- [49:30]
B
It's actually crazy. So many things. One, that both of their babies have been born, like, around the time. I don't think he fights that much around the time of a big fight, which is just, like, really inconvenient.
- [49:38]
A
Or maybe he, like, spends the whole time that she's pregnant, like, training, so that he's, like, right. And then he's like, oh, I'm looking for a fight.
- [49:44]
B
Two, it's crazy that she went to the fight wearing a bodycon white dress two weeks after giving birth.
- [49:50]
A
No, no, that's crazy.
- [49:52]
B
I don't know which part is crazier, like, the bodycon or the white.
- [49:55]
A
I think the bodycon is crazy. And, like, I just. It's just, like, so not the Molly that we know. You know?
- [50:02]
B
It's not necessary.
- [50:03]
A
It's not necessary. And it's like, I would love to know more about that moment and that choice.
- [50:09]
B
Maybe we'll see it on season three.
- [50:11]
A
I think that we will.
- [50:11]
B
Maybe.
- [50:12]
A
And she'll be yelling at everyone while she tries to find interest. I know that we will. And that's why we love her. And she'll be, like, crying, and she can't find something to wear. And she's like, probably when. And she was so miserable.
- [50:20]
B
And their name. They did have a son, by the way, not a daughter. And the name is Midas.
- [50:25]
A
So let me think about it. Now, what I did realize is they all have five letter names. Molly, Tommy, Bambi, Midas.
- [50:31]
B
So is that a thing for them?
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A
I. I don't think it was a thing until they must have realized. And now Midas really does fit. Now people have said, like, you know, the. The lore of King Midas is, like, not an amazing. It's kind of cursed. It's not an amazing story. But what does the name Midas mean? Mighty.
- [50:52]
B
I think it means gold also. I just want to quickly circle back.
- [50:54]
A
Does it mean gold or like, King Midas just liked gold? Everything he touched turned to gold. But that doesn't mean the name Midas means gold.
- [51:05]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [51:06]
A
He's a legendary king in Greek and Roman mythology, famous for being granted the ability to turn everything into gold. But it wasn't a good thing. Like, he turned his daughter into a statue.
- [51:16]
B
I just want to, like, quickly go back to something I said about Lindsay Hubbard dating Dustin lynch because I'm not caught up on in the City. Apparently she talked about on the show, said they made out. So, like, I wasn't just making that up.
- [51:25]
A
It was legit. And why not, like, pursue it further?
- [51:29]
B
I'm not sure.
- [51:31]
A
So taking out, like, you know, the end of the King Midas story. I like if you just look at the name Midas, you know, M I D A s. I like it.
- [51:38]
B
I guess the theme of their baby names is, like, more mythical creatures. Like, that's a good theme.
- [51:44]
A
I. It works with. With Bambi. Bambi and Midas. So cute.
- [51:49]
B
I think in the States, somebody might not use the name Midas because it's a brand of tires.
- [51:54]
A
Bam.
- [51:55]
B
But that doesn't.
- [51:56]
A
It. That's different from Mavis.
- [51:59]
B
Yeah, Midas tires. And they. Their slogan is they've got the Midas touch.
- [52:04]
A
Okay. Midas tires near me.
- [52:06]
B
You don't know Midas tires are there.
- [52:09]
A
Midas. Are you sure it's Midas, not Mavis?
- [52:14]
B
I'm like, a hundred percent sure.
- [52:16]
A
Midas.com tires for sale or it's like an auto shop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Perhaps in the States they would not. But yeah, very, very happy for them. Like muscle to them. I'm really was so shocked that she went to the fight.
- [52:30]
B
Yeah, same.
- [52:31]
A
I hope she's home, resting, cozy, nesting. It looks like she was like, based on her stories. Can't wait for next season of behind the scenes or whatever.
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B
What's it called?
- [52:40]
A
I don't know.
- [52:41]
B
Behind it all maybe is her.
- [52:43]
A
It's her brand.
- [52:45]
B
Call me maybe.
- [52:46]
A
I think it's called like Behind It All. Right.
- [52:49]
B
Behind it All.
- [52:50]
A
Something like that. Are you ready for our next story?
- [52:53]
B
What number four can you tell me, like the order of events?
- [52:56]
A
So four is a story and then five is. Goes into Love island recap. It's like Love island news and recap.
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B
Well, you know what? Let me tell you that the remainder of today's show is brought to you by Dolclex. And yes, that's right. You are listening to a podcast hosted by the two new faces of such a historic and iconic brand. We're honored. Jackie, how does it feel to be the face of such an iconic brand?
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A
It feels really, really amazing. And to not only be the face of the brand, but to see spread the. Spread the brand message. An important message that people need to hear and people need to know.
- [53:23]
B
So Jackie here is holding one of the new products. It's the Dulcalax Daily Gut Support gummy. It is so important to take care of your gut health. And magnesium matters so much. But you know what? Sometimes, like, staying on top of your gut health is like a full time job and we can't really do that. Let me tell you something about these guys.
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A
We have a full time job, correct?
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B
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- [53:56]
A
this is the flow. Things are flowing.
- [53:59]
B
I love that. And I feel like you and I are like such different swirlies. Don't you find we have two kind of like different personality types, would you say?
- [54:05]
A
I would say.
- [54:06]
B
So whether you love routine or you're a little bit more relaxed, whether you're personality type A or Type B and 1 or anagram.
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A
Three dual collects.
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B
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A
Thank you, Tertz.
- [58:27]
B
You're welcome.
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A
Our next story, Kiki Palmer and Sean Evans fuel romance buzz with a New York City date. So after we discuss the potential of these two possibly connecting, Kiki Palmer further fuel dating rumors after being spotted on a date with Hot Ones host Sean Evans in New York City. According to tmz, the duo were seen having dinner at Italian restaurant locale in Brooklyn on Friday night.
- [58:51]
B
No, I'm scared. Like, I really worry that he, like, she doesn't like him because we know he likes her. Like, he's been so forward, and so it's really about, like, whether she likes him. Like, because once she likes him, we're good. And you always want to be in the situation as a woman. Like, the man is chasing, like, you are playing hard to get. I love. I really hope she likes him. I don't know why I'm, like, scared. I have a lot riding on this. There's two ships right now that, like, I'm on, and I'm really hoping set sail. This is one of them. And then Brett Goldstein, Jennifer Lopez, I'm also, like, really riding for. So I just have a lot invested in this as a Kiki Palmer number one fan. So I'm scared.
- [59:29]
A
I feel like she's gonna like him. I feel like they like each other. So I just hope, like, you know, everything else that it takes in order to form a relationship sort of clicks in.
- [59:38]
B
Yeah, I feel like this is a little bit of a departure from her usual type, and I think this is also the first time she's been in, like, a public relationship where the other person is famous, too. So I hope she likes the experience. Like, I hope she likes everything. I hope, you know, the person who, like, took a picture didn't ruin it. Like, maybe she hates this. Like, she's never really had. And the one time her relationship was public was when, like, her man was saying something about what she wore to the Usher concert. Like, I'm scared.
- [59:59]
A
Right, right, right. No, I think it's good to try something different in general, like, try something new. And I. I'm wishing them the best.
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B
I just know he would, like, treat her like a queen.
- [60:09]
A
And also, like, this is what we asked for. Like, just go on a date, see what happens. So, like, they did that and who even knows? Maybe it's not their first date.
- [60:17]
B
Right.
- [60:18]
A
So. So, so.
- [60:21]
B
So I'm nervous. I'm excited, but nervous.
- [60:25]
A
Yeah, excited but nervous. Like, optimistic. Cautiously. I don't want to put pressure on them.
- [60:31]
B
No, of course not. Of course not. Whenever.
- [60:35]
A
Never. But what do you feel like?
- [60:37]
B
I feel like Kiki Palmer. I feel like you and I have, like, a list of people when we were talking about, like, our dream guests or, like, people who we love and, you know, it kind of ebbs and flows. Some people you love and then you, like, get over them. I feel like Kiki Power is such, like, a mainstay on our favorites. Like, we've been favoriting her for, like, ever.
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A
Yeah.
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B
This is a nice feeling. She's a stable force in our lives.
- [60:56]
A
Yeah, she is. And it's just.
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B
It's not the only person to ever make it off the dream list.
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A
It's not a phase.
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B
It was never a phase.
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A
No.
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B
No.
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A
Okay, let's get into our fifth and final story in Love island recap. Because we have some news coming out of After Sun. Love island, usa. Sean Rifle reacts to Mayer's comments. After leaving the villa, I felt sick.
- [61:16]
B
I felt sick. And I have to say one thing about me is I'm not gonna watch After Sun. That's. I've never. I'm never gonna. I've never watched After Sun. To me, like, the day off that they give us is I'm taking that
- [61:26]
A
day off, and I have to catch
- [61:27]
B
up on sleep, on email. I have to eat. Like, I just can't.
- [61:30]
A
I will be watching any relevant clips or read the article.
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B
Absolutely. So I saw, like, you know, some things Beyer said. I saw, yes, the mayor. I saw the pertinent clips, but I'm sorry, I cannot physically devote more time.
- [61:44]
A
But it also seems like the strategy this year for after sun is, like, when the person comes out of the villa, let's, like, tell them, like, the lore of what's going on on social media and get their reaction, because they did that for.
- [61:55]
B
I saw a clip of Bay's sister telling her that everybody on the Internet thinks she's lesbian. Yeah.
- [61:59]
A
So I think we're going to get, like, a lot of that from after sun, which is, like, good content. So first, Sean reacts to the video. He. They film him, like, watching the video of the mayor, which we've discussed at length of the mayor saying how disappointing it is that they've trained up this guy and that he would go on violent. And the police force is competing with
- [62:14]
B
Love island and he was so confused. He was like, what are you talking. I literally did what I was told.
- [62:17]
A
Yeah. So he said, sorry, this is Sean's comments. Sean said.
- [62:26]
B
What did Sean say?
- [62:27]
A
He said, I guess he's upset. That's interesting. I definitely had to sit down with my job and told them exactly where I was going and what was happening. And they asked me to put in for unpaid leave. It does bother me because they just, before I left, gave me awards for, like, with my partners, taking a lady out of a building on fire and talking someone off a roof that was mentally ill. So it's like, to give me those and then do something like this. I just don't understand. Or, you know, the mayor would say, like, you got those, and then you. You went on the violin. But. Okay.
- [62:53]
B
Are you the mayor? No.
- [62:54]
A
I just like you sounds like you're an amazing police officer. Like, seriously.
- [62:58]
B
And you get all of that up. What, to spit in someone's mout, Love.
- [63:01]
A
And, like, be the first person sent home and, like, the better officer that you are, like, the worst decision. The worst. The decision seems to leave it to go on Love Island.
- [63:11]
B
I will say it definitely does sound like a lapse in judgment.
- [63:14]
A
Like, you should tell us that you were the worst police officer, that you didn't have a knack for this, that
- [63:18]
B
it wasn't a fit.
- [63:19]
A
It wasn't a fit, and you wanted to try something new, because then I would understand. But, like, you were amazing behind such a legacy. You were saving lives. How many lives were lost while you. You went to vg?
- [63:28]
B
A thousand percent. It was really sad. Like, I can't think too hard about Sean. It really makes me upset.
- [63:35]
A
It does. And, like, I'm. I'm upset that. I'm upset too, because I'm like, no, he had to go. Like, he is a father, first of all. And by the way, I'm going to judge all parents equally and not equally, but, like, I'm. I'm judging the dads as much as I'm judging the moms. Like, to go on this show that is so vulgar. So, like, not family friendly. So, like, you don't even want your parents to see you doing this. And, like, to do that with a child in the world, I just think is, like, really? There are so many other shows he could go on if you really.
- [64:03]
B
I agree.
- [64:04]
A
Like, I'm not.
- [64:05]
B
I just want to say I'm not judging the same as women.
- [64:06]
A
No, I'll judge them harsher. I will. But I'm judging the fathers harshly as well.
- [64:13]
B
Of Course, yeah. No, it's disgusting. And the thing that I'm realizing about this show is that I feel that I am very easily manipulated by the editing of it. And I think that there's so much footage that it really makes it very easy for the editors to just, like, show us what they want. And it's crazy how, like, in one episode they have me hating Bea, and then the next episode, like, they made me like her.
- [64:32]
A
Like, I never hated her.
- [64:34]
B
I really did. I feel like I'm very easily manipulated by them. And so, like, maybe, you know, Sean is a great guy. Maybe he's not. Like, I really don't know. And that's why, like, the voting, having us vote and then watch an episode and then one more, like, when the results come in, it's like, it's so manipulative because they show us one thing to get results and then they show us something else that fuck up those results, you know? Yeah, we all voted for Jen and Gabriel and everyone seems confused as to why Jen and Gabriel would be put up as a couple. And it's like, well, you made us hate Bea and then you only show Jen talking to Gabriel.
- [65:06]
A
But it's like. And we didn't know that that would meant Bea would go home. But it's like, yeah, Jen likes he. But who else will be voted? Jen for now. If we had known how it was going to go down, we could have voted Jen and Corbyn, because that is
- [65:17]
B
what now everyone's saying we should have done. Well, yeah, but they. They knew how to manipulate also, like,
- [65:22]
A
so we had three people who were vulnerable. We've never had one of the vulnerables then ask the other to be in a couple. Like, they did that to make Melanie and Corbin a couple in front of Soul and sincere space and, like, keep the story moving. We are not in control. The producers are in control. Because even if. Even if we coupled up Jen and Corbin, which would have only made Melanie vulnerable, she would not have been sent home. She would have been single in the villa. It's whatever they want. I so, like, it genuinely doesn't matter. And America voting in that was the same as if the Bombshells got to pick their new partners, which is what they usually get to do. They usually get to pick their partner. Jen would have picked Gabe. We didn't do anything crazy. The only time it was crazy was when we put Iris with Jeremiah, who
- [66:04]
B
was, like, iconic in a series we've ever done.
- [66:06]
A
But, like, of course Soul would have picked in two year. So the America Vote. We didn't really fuck anything up. We did what would have happened organically. Yes.
- [66:12]
B
And you're right. The show really rewards craziness. So Melanie was never going home, even though, like, Melanie's not even my number one op right now. Like, she is definitely a crazy person, a very emotional person, really immature, but sincere. Is a genuine bad guy.
- [66:29]
A
I, like, this is.
- [66:31]
B
I hate, hate and, like, sincere soul,
- [66:36]
A
like, makes me so sad.
- [66:37]
B
I'm. I
- [66:40]
A
feel so strongly for her every time she.
- [66:43]
B
I'm like, man, this villa. First of all, the girls are.
- [66:48]
A
Yeah, they are.
- [66:49]
B
I. And seriously, Kenzie is the only one who sat her down. Was like, by the way, and I think it must have been worse in, like, in the villa than we realized, because Kenzie, to go out of Ray and be like, I just want to let you know, like, if you need someone, I'm here for you. That means she had no one to talk to. And I think while her and Jen came in together, like, Jen's not having the same experience as her. Like, so it's hard for her to relate. And I don't think that there's, like, a lot of depth in their friendship. She has no one. All the girls are so up Melanie's ass. Like, sorry, Anaya, you're my favorite loser. Trinity loser. Like, the way they're so obsessed with Melanie, and it's like, melanie this, Melanie that. It's like, girl, what are you talking about? And I'm sorry. Bea was the only one who was, like, holding Melanie accountable.
- [67:22]
A
Yeah. And when Bea said, like, they're pying soul for all these things that they should be pying Melanie for, and, like, the pine thing, it gets to a point. This show is so humiliating. Like, and even in the challenge that we watched last night, when they're having, like, the ketchup and the mustard, like, hot dog and the hot dogs, like, they actually want to seriously embarrass these people. It's real, and they have such a good attitude about it. But I can understand why if it's your first day, you're already feeling ostracized, and now everyone's, like, telling you we hate you, and here's pies in your face. Like, it's actually something out of, like, a 90s high school. Like, humiliation.
- [67:55]
B
Hazing.
- [67:56]
A
Yeah, it's a hazing. And I don't know why they, the producers, want to humiliate the contestants like this. It just is so awkward. Like, I can't even imagine, like, Sierra and Teffy, like, watching these girls get, like, pied in the face. Like, who is that empowering?
- [68:11]
B
So also, yes, 1,000%. This is reminding me a lot of last season where, like, the OG villagers have this, like, really toxic bond with one another. Because, yes, everyone was pying soul for that should have been in Melanie's face. And the fact that not every single person dumped their slime on sincere is how, you know, the show is rigged. He got slimed, like, literally once, maybe twice, when every question was about him.
- [68:32]
A
Yeah. Yeah.
- [68:34]
B
I hate him.
- [68:36]
A
Wait. And I just want to say, like, Sol and Sean
- [68:41]
B
Solen, like, literally anyone. I'm sorry. These guys are just disgusting. First of all, I'm.
- [68:45]
A
I.
- [68:45]
B
There's. Now it's funny how they. They really can make you love or hate. I hate everyone now. Zach saying that thing in bed like, Kate now, I think likes him more than she. He likes her. Him being like, I don't know if we should do stuff because, like, what if someone comes in? It's like, who's thinking like that?
- [68:58]
A
I. Well, I think what he meant, and he's, like, saying all the wrong things and, like.
- [69:02]
B
Yeah.
- [69:03]
A
And he doesn't deserve her. Someone who's, like, so committed to him and, like, it isn't looking left or right. But I think what he meant is, like, someone could come in and it's out of our control if we couple up with them. Just, like, how America put sincere and soul in a couple. Like, he could. One of them could wind up in a different couple just based on how the game goes. Not even because that's what he wants and it. Will it not be weird? Like, try. And apparently now if you're in a new couple, you have to say goodbye to the person you used to like and. And make a go of this. Like, that's new. So, yeah, say he wound up. One of them wound up in a new couple, and they have to make a go of it. And, like, America's breaking up Zach and Kada. Would that not be weird if they've had sex? I think it was, like, a stupid thing because it's like, even if America breaks you up, like, you. What you would say is, I'm not
- [69:49]
B
having sex with anyone.
- [69:49]
A
And you could also say, like, I'll fight for you until we're back together, because there will be another recoupling. They'll have a choice again. And, like, even if I wound up with someone else, like, I'm coming back to you.
- [70:00]
B
Yeah. Kenzie's pissing me off. Like, everyone's pissing me off.
- [70:03]
A
Kenzie, she's so weird. Like, she doesn't talk to anyone about her feelings. Like, the girls, first of all, like, we have no idea what's going through her head. And she's, like, really struggling between these two connections.
- [70:13]
B
No, she's not struggling. She doesn't even like Caleb.
- [70:15]
A
No.
- [70:16]
B
They need to send someone for Caleb.
- [70:18]
A
Caleb. And so I think. No, Caleb. Like, her head is telling her Caleb. Like, it's what she's like, it's obvious to. And he's very nice and he very much likes her and. But, like, her heart and her vagina are telling her. Corbin. She, like, really likes Corbin.
- [70:34]
B
Corbin is so creepy. Can I get a kiss? Can I get a kiss?
- [70:39]
A
Like, I can understand. I understand. Corbin, you want to kiss. There are other ways to go about it than saying, can I get a kiss? Like, even use other words. Like, yes.
- [70:47]
B
You know, he uses the same sentence.
- [70:48]
A
May I kiss you?
- [70:50]
B
I would love to kiss you right now. He is so spooky to me. And even when he's talking about real stuff, he's like, I'm a videographer. Like, kinda what? What do you do for work? He's like, I know, I know. And he was like, I've always been really creative. Like, when I was a kid, we had this art box. And she's like, wow, really? He was like, yeah. And it makes sense because now I'm like, creative. Like, I do, like, videography, kind of. And she's like, no way. That's perfect. Because, like, he's like, I like to make movies. She was like, I like to write movies.
- [71:26]
A
Who likes to write movies?
- [71:28]
B
Melanie. She was like, and I love to do, like, she was like, I love to do, like, storyboards. He was like, oh, wow. We're like yin and yang. Because, like, I need a videographer. And I'm like, I thought you just said you were a video.
- [71:45]
A
Is this a job interview?
- [71:47]
B
It was dead ass art box. It was one of the craziest conversations. Like, and I feel for. I don't feel for anyone. I take that back. Like, I hate all.
- [71:57]
A
I only feel for. So, like, I'm genuinely going to cry tears soon.
- [72:01]
B
For soul. For soul. I got very, very close when she was like, man, this villa. When right after she got pied by Zach. And I feel bad for Zach because I don't think he was, like, intending to. He was sort of like the straw after, like, a bad day. But, like, nobody knows her, so it's like, how are you even pying her? You haven't taken three seconds to get to know her. Even Casey, who was, like, one of the only people interested in talking to her, did it. So it's like, quite literally, no one is even acknowledging her. But they all like her too.
- [72:25]
A
Yeah. And, I mean, she's, like, a bombshell. Amazing to look at.
- [72:30]
B
Like, I love her. Like, I feel so sick. And you know what? I hope she shows not one fucking ounce of loyalty to any of these girls. Go for Casey.
- [72:39]
A
Yeah.
- [72:40]
B
Go for Sincere. Go for everyone, because not one of them has given her the time of day. She does her makeup alone. She cries alone. These girls, seriously.
- [72:48]
A
No, it's so.
- [72:49]
B
So I'm really disappointed in a couple of them. Like, Trinity. I thought she was nicer than that, Honestly.
- [72:54]
A
She always looks like she's on the verge of tears.
- [72:57]
B
Who wouldn't be?
- [72:58]
A
It's really hard to watch. And now she's, like, with Sincere, who's such a piece of.
- [73:03]
B
Ugh, I want to throw. She. By the way, she's too good for the. On his show. I hope she runs from him.
- [73:07]
A
And, like, he is lying to everyone, like, saying, I'm not exploring, talking to Soul. I'm so happy to be with you. And then saying to, you know, I wish I wasn't with her. Like. Like, it's really disgusting. He has lost all, like, credibility to me. He's so insincere. It's insane that that's his name.
- [73:26]
B
It's also interesting that, like, he doesn't realize that he's the villain, because there was a. A question in the challenge which was, like, who do you think America, like, dislikes or something? Who's the villain? And. And they poured it on Bryce. Like, okay.
- [73:44]
A
Oh, wait. Because, like, Bryce spoke to Keita, and
- [73:47]
B
it's like, they have no idea. Like, Sincere.
- [73:51]
A
Yeah. I actually haven't been, like, following along on Twitter so much because, like, the episodes end so late, and I just go to sleep.
- [73:58]
B
But what a love. Soul. It's devastating.
- [74:00]
A
It's devastating.
- [74:01]
B
It's actually, like, on a human level, like, very hard and sad to watch.
- [74:05]
A
I need the producers, but they won't do anything kind to anyone because they're actually, like, evil individuals. But I need them to.
- [74:10]
B
I know. She. She just feels so alone.
- [74:12]
A
I need them to go into the hotel of bombshells and waiting in their
- [74:16]
B
rooms and grab Sean.
- [74:17]
A
No. And grab, like, the perfect person for Soul.
- [74:20]
B
Oh, I was thinking that, too. There's a couple of people, like, I think that once you're in the bombshell, like, hotel, they ask you. I think they show you pictures of the contestants you watch the show? Oh, do you?
- [74:31]
A
Yeah, up until a point, I think you see like up until like two days before you go on or whatever.
- [74:35]
B
So they know who's coming in, like with eyes for X. And so, yeah, they need to bring someone hot, as in for soul and
- [74:43]
A
nice and kind hearted.
- [74:44]
B
And you know what? They actually need to bring someone in for Melanie too, so we can. So nobody likes sincere?
- [74:49]
A
Well, no, she likes Corbin.
- [74:52]
B
Corbin likes Kenzie.
- [74:53]
A
Does he. He does like Melanie, but, like, does he. Is he, like, capable of, like.
- [74:58]
B
I mean, robots need love too.
- [75:00]
A
I know. I just feel like he doesn't have, like, a lot of feelings. It's crazy that him and Kenzie are like so connected and that they can't quit each other.
- [75:07]
B
AI chatbots need love.
- [75:10]
A
Yeah. Kenzie is, like, very surprised.
- [75:12]
B
She's not surprising.
- [75:14]
A
Yeah. And I like her too, but it's. It's weird. I feel like I don't know her at all.
- [75:19]
B
She was supposed to be like our, you know, designated southern sweetheart and she's kind of messing everything up because her and Caleb are obviously like, were meant to be put together. I think the show thought that they would. And so now he's sort of left and he's not making any other connections.
- [75:37]
A
He's like, so mature. I do understand that he's 21 and like, that's weird for her because that's really young. It is, but, like, it's just the villa, you know, none of you guys are going to be together after this. I just want you to know, like,
- [75:48]
B
don't worry, it's not that serious.
- [75:50]
A
Zero. How many couples are still together from last season? Just Iris and tj. Tj.
- [75:55]
B
And they weren't even like, barely together on the show.
- [75:57]
A
Yeah. And I mean, I'll say, yeah, like obligatory Nicolandria, but, like, that's not a couple obligatory Nickelodeon. That's a business arrangement.
- [76:05]
B
But I just want to say I also, I need them to send someone in who's like, number one choice is Bryce. I feel like he has a lot of love to give and nowhere to put it. Like, Trinity does not like him.
- [76:14]
A
They're very confusing. And I also feel like you can tell a lot from a couple by, like, what they do at night. Like, do they kiss? Do they cuddle? And Bryce and Trinity, like, they make out.
- [76:24]
B
Do they?
- [76:25]
A
Yeah. And then also I think Bea said on after sun, like, like, she really likes him. Like, they are very much into each other, but it's like, you know, I'm
- [76:32]
B
glad to hear that.
- [76:32]
A
But like, it Is weird when every conversation is like, do you like me? Show me you like me. From both of them. Both of them feel like the other doesn't like them.
- [76:39]
B
Something's not working.
- [76:40]
A
Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what it is. And then also, like, with Bryce and Kada, like, yeah, that was cringe. But, like, I saw a tweet that was like, he did it in a respectful way. He, like. And I understand what he's saying, which is, like, you know, if he winds up single or, like, something happens, like, you do have to try and. And, you know, go down every path. So, like, he looked down there, and she said no, and great.
- [77:02]
B
I just want to say, I don't know if I'm alone in this. I had not one problem with him doing that. He did it so respectfully. That's exactly what you're supposed to do. And, like, everyone in the village is just annoying because they, like, encourage people to explore, and then they get mad at people who explore. It's like, which fudgeing one do you want? And Zach and Kada, they're. Every single one of their problems would be solved if they just closed off.
- [77:23]
A
Yeah.
- [77:24]
B
And it's him who won't. And it gives me pause. And I think it's a red flag.
- [77:27]
A
Yeah. Well, they're going to the hideaway. I wonder if they'll seal the deal.
- [77:32]
B
And, like, if you go to the hideaway and have sex and you still
- [77:34]
A
don't close off, well, then that's on you, girl. You know?
- [77:41]
B
Okay.
- [77:42]
A
Yeah. You know, like, yeah, so maybe they'll have sex.
- [77:45]
B
I was getting the vibe that, like, she was so excited to have sex. Like, he wasn't like, oh, well, also,
- [77:49]
A
the producers want us to think that he's gay for Brad Bryce.
- [77:52]
B
Okay.
- [77:53]
A
Because the audience, like, I would love that the audience is, like, you know, shipping the two of them. Seen the edits, Zach and Bryce. And also they do have, like, a best friendship in the house. Even the girls walk past. They're like, it's everyone's favorite bromance. Like, they do have, like, a special friendship. And now producers, like, see that. So they're, like, showing us more of that. They showed us, like, Zach with the hot dogs, like, very closely. They're really trying to, like, play up,
- [78:15]
B
like, play into that.
- [78:16]
A
That Zach is gay.
- [78:18]
B
Thought that, like, they were into one another. Like, I would say, like, yeah, like, that's an exciting plot twist. Let's do it. I don't think that they are. So, like, let's Stop.
- [78:25]
A
I think, like, having them seem, like, having him seem, like, reticent about sex with Kada, like, feeds into thinking about Zach and Bryce are the Nickelandria of this season. Like, the unlikely to who people are shipping. I, I. You've seen that. Yes.
- [78:39]
B
Yes.
- [78:39]
A
And now producers are playing into it.
- [78:42]
B
Yeah.
- [78:43]
A
So maybe it's fake. Maybe he does.
- [78:44]
B
I think it's fake. Much like Nickelandria.
- [78:46]
A
Yeah. I think they're just best friends. But then people are, like, finding all this stuff from his social media that's like.
- [78:51]
B
Yes. I actually did see a couple of things from Zach's social media that were leaning queer.
- [78:56]
A
Yes. Yes. So it's not.
- [78:59]
B
Maybe it's not so fake.
- [79:00]
A
Yeah. Or like, or even when Kada was like, I'm so excited to go to the hideaway with Zach and have all of his attention, you know, like, Bryce won't be there. She literally said that. But I also feel like it could be, like, producers being, like, people are, like, making a lot of jokes about their friendship. Like, make a joke.
- [79:13]
B
Yeah.
- [79:14]
A
But they're definitely. Although they play, like, fan theories a
- [79:17]
B
lot, it's annoying because the fans are dumb.
- [79:20]
A
Yeah.
- [79:21]
B
Sometimes it's funny and sometimes it's just straight up dumb.
- [79:23]
A
Yeah.
- [79:23]
B
And, like, and it's like, why don't you play into, like, the fan theories of, like, bringing Sean back? Like, that's the type of we like
- [79:30]
A
sending Melanie home fan theory, getting sincere out of there. I actually, I don't want Melanie to go home yet.
- [79:36]
B
No, no. I actually, right now, my problem is genuinely with.
- [79:39]
A
She's a genuine crazy person. I'm not fatigued of her yet. Like, with Hood, it got to a point. Point that, like, it was not good.
- [79:45]
B
There was evil among us.
- [79:46]
A
But Melanie still has, like, much to give to this villa. I don't want her to go home. I agree. And even if, even if Corbin and Jen had coupled and she was vulnerable, I wouldn't say send her home. I'd say, yeah, she should be single and be, you know, this, this dramatic element in the villa. Eventually, though, you know, if she fails to grow and it's just so cyclical and we're watching the same thing over and over again, then it's time to go. And that's what happened with Huda. But she never went.
- [80:08]
B
But she never went.
- [80:10]
A
So it's not Melanie's time. I don't feel that way. Like, she is good for television because I'm having time. I'm having strong feelings. It's sincere time. He should not be allowed to, like, speak to women in the villa and, like, get any one of these beautiful women's time.
- [80:21]
B
He's an actual, like, he's a danger. I hate him.
- [80:24]
A
I hate him. And I gave him, like, so much leeway. I really did.
- [80:28]
B
I gave him so much, you know, time, my heart, my energy. You bitch.
- [80:33]
A
Yeah. And then also, Beatriz has reacted to speculation about her sexuality. She was FaceTiming with her friend. Her friend was like, bro, these bitches swear that you're gay. It's a big thing on the Internet. And she clapped back, saying, athletes are always put in that box. Like, if you're a female athlete, you're probably gay. She said, I'm just a tomboy. Let me live my life. I love dick. Please. I know.
- [80:57]
B
And I. I thought, like, a lot of it was a stretch, but, like, so many sneakers that, like, it gets to a point with the Jordans in the dress. But also, I feel like, because she's an athlete and it's probably. I. I don't know if this is, like, okay to say, like, more prevalent to, like, be gay in her field that, like, if she was, she would be.
- [81:15]
A
I don't think it was for, like, when I saw people saying that, I wasn't thinking about, like, the sneakers or the athleticism. I. I felt like it was her personality.
- [81:24]
B
I thought it was, like, a lot. The sneakers, like, for real, like. But then I think also, like, you have to consider the fact that, like, it's probably more comfortable when you have a prosthetic leg.
- [81:33]
A
Of course.
- [81:35]
B
That, like, what I have to be, like, it's hard enough to wear heels when you don't have a prosthetic leg.
- [81:39]
A
No, she was just, like, you know, very much like one of the guys, sort of. But I guess that's what she's saying. When you're an athlete, like, people just think of you that way. It's sort of like the conversation she was having with Melanie, too, where it's
- [81:47]
B
like, they just see me as not being so.
- [81:48]
A
Because I can play football with them. And, like, Melanie.
- [81:51]
B
And Melanie's like, I'm so jealous. I wish I could throw craziest, worst conversations. So many backhanded comments.
- [81:58]
A
Conversation ever.
- [82:00]
B
I would have liked to be at a stay for a lot of reasons. One, I got, like, very upset with her conversation with Gaudia. Like, I think that them. I don't know if they're being forced to speak in English, but I think that it definitely, like, hindered his ability to, like, share his feelings. And he said, like, I'm just much more able to speak from the heart when I speak my own language. So when they said goodbye and it automatically started talking Spanish, like, I got, like, really choked up. And I wasn't even such a believer in their love. I thought, like, maybe he didn't even like her. But now the way he's, like, so quickly with Jen, like, he definitely didn't like Bea.
- [82:29]
A
No, I think he liked her. I think he likes everyone and loves everything.
- [82:32]
B
Yeah, he's a lover.
- [82:33]
A
Dtf.
- [82:35]
B
He's a lover.
- [82:36]
A
Yeah. I think he loves women. I think he loves women.
- [82:40]
B
I love him. I just want to say he's getting, like, a, you know, a bad rap for being, like, freaky and maybe not having liked Bea, but that goodbye was, like, hella emotional. And I just want to say Bea being like, guys come down. I'm not dying. Like, when everyone started crying, she was the only one. And, like, I hate that they made me hate her because I feel like all the OG girls, like, have a really tight friendship, except Bea, like, hates Melanie, and we need sort of more conflict amongst the girls.
- [83:04]
A
Not just, like, she was the one holding Melanie accountable. Like, actually.
- [83:08]
B
Actually.
- [83:10]
A
And Beatriz and Trinity were very close because Trinity is very.
- [83:14]
B
Trinity can't stop crying. Yeah. I think Melanie and Kenzie are, like, starting to drift. But like, this core girl group from the original villagers, like, being so toxically loyal to one another, it's really starting to piss me off. Like, when I said I wanted the girls to be mean to each other, this is not what I meant.
- [83:29]
A
No, me neither. Me neither.
- [83:32]
B
Steal each other's man.
- [83:33]
A
Yeah. Don't be afraid. I'm glad that Soul and Casey are talking.
- [83:36]
B
And then.
- [83:37]
A
And then that's what I was. Zach, Casey, Anaya, the challenge.
- [83:43]
B
So once again, like, Zach is being honest, and I don't really have a problem with him. And, yeah, I guess they showed us, like, one time when he was like, oh, so looks like my ex. But I guess it was, like, more of a thing that he had wanted to talk to her and decided not to. And, yeah, Zach is kind of. Kind of being like, Ace. Like, last season being sort of the Villa police. And it's a little annoying. It's getting to a point.
- [84:03]
A
But he was. He was asked. The Casey thing is not the same thing to me as the Soul thing, because I don't even remember what she was accused of, but it's like, you don't know this person. Why are you piring her again? But. And it's. It's funny because if anybody else had been asked the question, if it wasn't Zach, they would have done it to Zach. Because, like, he does think he's one. He has the strongest couple there. And that's fair. So when he dumped it on Casey and, like, and he didn't dump it on Naya, so, like, if he had dumped it right, like, that would be wrong. But, like, to dump it on a fellow guy, who cares? And I guess he was a little tea spilled. I don't even think he realized when he was like, you know, you wanted to talk to Soul and you didn't because, like, you think.
- [84:37]
B
I don't think Anaya knew that.
- [84:39]
A
Yeah, she knew that, like, he was her type, but didn't know that. And you know what? I'm glad to see, like, the strong couples, because if you're that strong, like a wrench thrown into your coupling, like, how can you dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge that wrench? And Zach and Kada will have wrenches thrown at them at some point. I also think, like, the hideaway, some things will come up, but it's also interesting that they got the hideaway, like, right after they sort of, like, took a big job, Casey and I. Because would Casey and Anaya have gotten the hideaway?
- [85:06]
B
I just want to say I think that Casey and Anaya will make it through. I will. I do. I don't have a good feeling about Zach and Kada. More so Zach, there's something really, like, weird about him to me, and I don't think he, like, is appreciative enough to be with a girl who's, like, so hot and loves him so much. Like, it's a dream.
- [85:28]
A
Yeah.
- [85:29]
B
He doesn't seem content.
- [85:30]
A
Yeah.
- [85:31]
B
She's, like, so into him when, to be honest, like, I'm sure, literally, if she wants to be with any guy in the villa, he would leave their connection for her. Like, she's definitely one of the hottest in the villa. And, like, I don't know, in a second, I just don't like him anymore.
- [85:43]
A
Kaden needs to get a little smarter, and she needs to start playing games, too.
- [85:48]
B
She's, like, lovesick. She's got puppy dog eyes. She can't see.
- [85:50]
A
She gives him, like, whatever he wants, you know, she doesn't give him a hard time about stuff, and she needs to make him work for it a little bit. And she's not. Not being smart enough. And she. That's how you get hurt. And, like, I don't. I'm not one for games in general, but, like, he is not deserving of her unbridled love and affection, and she needs to bridle it a little bit in the challenge. She needs to start flirting with other guys and making him jealous and being like, well, you don't want to close off, and so I'm gonna, you know, talk to people because we're not closed off and make him sick.
- [86:20]
B
They did confessionals as couples during the challenge, and Zach actually said something like. Like, hella derogatory towards her, and she just, like, laughed it off. They were talking about how he was trying to get the ball up her body and couldn't do it, so they switched, and she got the ball up his body. He was like. And it worked because she's used to being down there. That's how you talk about your girl. Like, I don't know. I'm getting really bad vibes from her. I just want to say I don't like him.
- [86:42]
A
Yeah. I feel like it's producers trying to make us think that he doesn't like her and he likes Bryce, just so you know. So, like.
- [86:47]
B
Got it. But I feel like that derogatory comment has nothing to do with Bryce.
- [86:51]
A
Yeah, no, no, no. I know, but if there are, like, wonderful routine moments where he' constantly affirming her, and that's why she's so sick, they're not gonna show us. Maybe.
- [87:01]
B
Okay, maybe I'm, like, once again, getting swept up in the producers because I'm so easily manipulated.
- [87:05]
A
Yeah, but she needs to get smart, like.
- [87:07]
B
Yeah, because. And I feel like she came in with this sort of, like, edge to her, and, like, she wasn't easy to read.
- [87:12]
A
She's, like, the happiest, bubbliest girl on the planet. She's so pretty.
- [87:15]
B
It's like she's in love. Like, she's literally in love.
- [87:17]
A
I know, but, like, you could. She's so close to, like, you know, selling the deal with him, but she's gonna have to work for it a little bit, and, like, you know, she's
- [87:25]
B
got to be a little bit more
- [87:26]
A
hard to make it happen for herself.
- [87:28]
B
Yeah.
- [87:29]
A
So I don't know. Maybe he'll fall in line. Let's see what happens after the hideaway. And if they close, if they do have sex, like, they should close off, but they won't.
- [87:35]
B
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A
Love you. Bye.