Bye Bye Bachelorette: Friday, March 20th, 2026

Summary

The Toast – "Bye Bye Bachelorette"

Podcast: The Toast (Dear Media)
Date: March 20, 2026
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry

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Brief Overview

This Friday episode of The Toast is dominated by discussion of the unprecedented cancellation of the upcoming season of The Bachelorette, centered on contestant Taylor Frankie Paul, following the release of a disturbing 2023 abuse video. Jackie and Claudia dissect the wider pop culture impact, compare it to past reality TV scandals, and explore the fallout for the broader ‘MomTok’/Secret Lives cast. The conversation also touches on secondary stories in the pop culture universe, including celebrity altercations, magazine interviews, and music news, before winding down with their trademark Queenie/Weenie of the Week.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Reflections on Happiness and Show Tone

[00:57-02:44]

• Jackie and Claudia muse on happiness: Are people ever "Capital H" happy? Both hosts consider themselves generally happy, with Claudia noting:
  • "I feel like I am one of those people. Like, I really feel like I’m a truly happy person." [01:26]
  • Jackie distinguishes between "always happy, special people" and generally happy people.
  • Emphasize the importance of aspiring to happiness, but acknowledge bad days.
• Sets a contrast for the show’s generally upbeat nature vs today’s much heavier subject matter.

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The Bachelor Franchise Crisis: Context and Comparison

[03:03-05:03]

• The hosts compare the scale of the Bachelor scandal (Taylor Frankie Paul) to other pop culture moments:
  • “It’s like a Mount Rushmore, honestly, of pop culture news.” [03:51, A]
  • Emphasize how rare it is for an entire filmed season to be pulled, especially from a juggernaut like the Bachelor. “This is unprecedented.” [04:03, B]
• Reference to past scandals like Scandal/Vanderpump Rules and Bachelor in Paradise’s filming pause for comparison.
• “What makes it different from Scandal is, like, this is not fun. This is really, really disturbing and upsetting and criminal…” [05:03, A]

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Taylor Frankie Paul: Timeline & Fallout

[13:45–27:20]

What Actually Happened

• Taylor Frankie Paul’s Bachelorette season canceled following TMZ leak of 2023 domestic violence video [14:49].
• Background: 2023 arrest led to a “pause” in other filming, used as a storyline on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, but full details weren’t public until now.
• Details of the video:
  • Taylor is visibly intoxicated, throws barstools at Dakota, while her 5-year-old child is hit and cries out (TMZ video).
  • “I actually, I started watching it yesterday and when I heard the kid crying and I read in TMZ.com that like, the kid was hit, I turned it off…” [16:18, B]
  • Confirmation that child was injured—a “goose egg” on head, treated by police [17:11, A]

Hosts’ Analysis

• Acknowledge both Taylor and Dakota are abusive in different ways (“two things can be true”) [19:19, B]
• Strong condemnation for keeping kids in this environment:
  • “You two toxic idiots…go do that by yourselves. Leave the kids out of it.” [25:13, B]
• “ABC cannot run her season. They cannot, like, have this. We can’t just go and watch her season as if we didn’t just see this video. Like, it’s over now.” [19:51, A]

ABC, Vetting, and Industry Impact

• Dissect ABC/Hulu’s responsibility—this information was public (police report), and vetting failed.
• “They vet everything from tweets. You think they’re not going to vet criminal history?” [07:24, A]
• Rumors ABC might take legal action against Taylor Frankie Paul for damages [06:23, B]
• Host skepticism over blaming Taylor alone—production and network enabled and protected her to chase ratings [17:49, B]

Broader Social Takeaways

• The hosts raise gendered perceptions of abuse:
  • “When you hear about a domestic dispute where, like, the female is the aggressor, it’s way different of a reaction than like, when the male is the aggressor.” [15:39, B]
  • Later, compare it to Ray Rice, Cassie/P. Diddy, and the Depp/Heard case [30:09–31:45].
• Reflections on cycles of self-loathing, toxic relationships, and the responsibilities of mothers to “find strength” [25:13-25:44].

Notable Quotes

• “You have to have strength. And it’s really hard to do. But you, it can be done, and there are women who do it.” [25:28, A]
• “If that isn’t the thing to pull you up by your bootstraps out of rock bottom, but then continue to have that behavior, like, I can’t champion you, I can’t help you.” [25:50, B]

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Aftermath for MomTok and the Franchise

[27:41–29:45]

• Questions about the future of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives:
  • Jackie & Claudia think the show will get at least one more season due to national attention, but the central draw is gone and damage is deep.
• Discussion of other women on the show—were they all complicit? Did anyone know the details of the video?
• “She was so powerful…The production always took Taylor’s side.” [28:32, A]
• “The first season, Whitney didn’t really want to be associated with Taylor… I blame production.” [28:33, A]

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Jesse & Jordan Divorce – Secondary Scandal

[32:00–37:44]

• On the heels of the main drama, another headline: Jordan files for divorce from Jesse, timed for maximum visibility.
• “No more separation. Boop bop. The house is listed like, divorce. They are getting divorced.” [32:33, A]
• Detailed debate about prenups, Utah divorce law, and Jesse’s business JayZ Styles [36:01–37:44].
• “I’m genuinely so happy...The husbands have ruined one of the greatest shows.” [37:49, B]

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The Cultural Machine: Vetting, Videos, and Gendered Narratives

[30:09–31:45]

• The difference between rumors/allegations and the impact of actual video evidence.
• “There’s a difference between hearing, ‘Oh, yeah, [Ray Rice] abused his wife…’ But then seeing the video, there’s no coming back.” [30:25, A]
• Broader debate about societal responses to female vs. male aggression in DV cases and double standards.

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Pop Culture Lightning Round

[43:02–53:02]

• Usher and Justin Bieber altercation at Beyoncé’s Oscars afterparty.
• Olivia Rodrigo’s British Vogue cover – tension with Sabrina Carpenter still a thing; Claudia: “Well, you started it.” [45:38, A]
• Demi Lovato addresses viral ‘Heart Attack’ performance at American Heart Association event:
  • “They asked me to sing that. I flagged that beforehand and was like, isn’t this, like, not the vibe?” [49:16, A]
• Chuck Norris’ passing—hosts note his cultural legacy and Internet meme status.

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Queenie & Weenie of the Week

[52:04–56:09]

• Queenie: Jackie chooses Connor Lee Abbott for “rising above.” Claudia gives it to the reunited Florida Georgia Line, commending their maturity after feuding.
• Weenie: Jace Matthews (for being “an ugly little frat”) and Zach Affleck (“he does deserve it”—for relationship issues on the show). Jordan described as “beyond weenie, should go to jail.” [54:52, B]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It’s like a Mount Rushmore, honestly, of pop culture news.” [03:51, A]
• “This is not fun…this is really, really disturbing and upsetting and criminal.” [05:03, A]
• “There’s nothing to say after seeing this video. ABC cannot run her season…It’s over now.” [19:51, A]
• “You two toxic idiots…leave the kids out of it. Like, now that the kids are involved, I don’t even care about getting down to the bottom of like, who’s who.” [25:13, B]
• “The husbands have ruined one of the greatest shows…Let this be a lesson, keep your ugly, smelly, thirsty ass husbands off of women’s TV.” [37:49, B]
• “There are women who do it with no money, with no family, with no resources. You have every resource…to, like, take up for yourself and your kids.” [25:34, B]
• “If even at that lowest moment you…accidentally hit your kid in the head with a chair, if that isn’t the thing to pull you up…like, I can’t help you.” [25:50, B]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Show Opening & Happiness Chat: [00:00–03:00]
• Pop Culture Scandal Context (Scandal, Bachelor): [03:00–05:00]
• Bachelorette Scandal Timeline and Analysis: [13:45–27:20]
• MomTok/Show Future: [27:41–29:45]
• Gendered Abuse and Video Impact (NFL/Depp): [30:09–31:45]
• Jesse & Jordan Divorce, Business Implications: [32:00–37:44]
• Celebrity Lightning Round: [43:02–53:02]
• Queenie & Weenie of Week: [52:04–56:09]
• Wrap-up/Patreon/Announcements: [56:29–End]

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Conclusion

This episode stands out for its mix of sharp cultural analysis, ethical hand-wringing, and signature Oshry sister wit—even as they wrangle with heavier subject matter than usual. The conversation is engaging and relevant for anyone interested in reality TV, influencer culture, or the complexities of public scandals in a social media age. The Toast’s authenticity and willingness to “say the quiet part out loud” make their coverage a must for pop culture enthusiasts.

Transcript

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Good morning, girlies.

[B]

It's the Toast.

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It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

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It's your favorite show.

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The best five things you need to know.

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We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.

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They sound amazing.

[B]

Welcome back to the Toast and happy Friday. Hope everybody had a pargy weekend and is getting ready to have a pargy weekend.

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I hope everybody.

[B]

Hope everybody had a party week period and is getting ready to have a party weekend.

[A]

It's been a crazy week. Honestly, looking forward to putting this one to bed.

[B]

It is. It is like a historic week.

[A]

Oh, yeah. News wise. I mean, I was just like, talking about myself. My pargy week every week is par. It's just been like a lot. So I'm excited for a relaxing weekend. Well, not relaxing, but to not get out of my jamas.

[B]

Can I ask you a question? I was watching TikTok this morning, as I do when I get ready to prepare for the show, and I was watching a podcast clip and something somebody was asking the other person, like, are you happy? And then, you know, happy, like, do you have happy moments? Because I don't believe that anyone in this life is like, truly just like, happy, capital H. And I was like, wait, what? Like, first of all. So I wanted to ask you, you think you're happy, like, a happy person?

[A]

Oh, that's two different questions.

[B]

Yes, I agree. But then also, do you agree with that sentiment, being like, no one in this world is like, capital H happy?

[A]

No. There are people who are happy people. They're rare.

[B]

I feel like. I know. I feel like I am one of those people. Like, I really feel like I'm a truly happy person.

[A]

Generally speaking, you're a happy person. But when I think of the. The people who are happy, capital H, who, like, never have, like, an unhappy moment, like, Margaret, you're not one.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So. But yes, you are. Compared to the gen pop. Like, you are a happy person.

[B]

Yeah. Josh Peck talked a lot about it in his book. His book was called I hate Happy People and how, like, he used to be jealous of those people who would just, like, have that innate, like, joy. And I'm like, I read the book. I'm like, oh, he's talking about me.

[A]

No. So I think there's, like, happy people who are just, like, always happy and they're, like, special. And then I think there are people who are happy in their lives who are just, like, enjoying life. I feel like I'm both, like, actually, and I am. I don't think I'm, like, radically happy.

[B]

You're not happy?

[A]

No, but I am. I'm very happy.

[B]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

You know, and, like, I'm very happy. Lowercase H. Lots of happy moments. I think I'm happy. I think we're happy people, and this is a happy show, and I think

[B]

that's why we are, like, extremely drawn. Tough.

[A]

Yeah. I think it's. It's nice to be happy and to aspire towards happiness because you don't have to be happy all the time. Like, we're not psychotic, but, like, that. That's always the goal, and that's what, like, we hold in high esteem.

[B]

Yeah. So you agree? You think we're really happy?

[A]

I think we try to be.

[B]

Yeah. We do.

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We do.

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We do.

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And that's.

[B]

Some days are hard. Yesterday was hard for me, you guys. I had such a bad day, but it's, like, hard.

[A]

You can't measure day to day. It's like, there's so many different measurements of happiness, like, overall happiness, day to day, moment to moment, you know, like moments of joy. That fuels the rest of. Even if the rest of your day was like, shite. It's like, oh, I'm joy.

[B]

Yeah. Well, today's episode is just crazy. Yesterday was, I want to say, like, one of the biggest days for pop culture entertainment news in the last decade. Like, I can't remember. The thing I keep thinking, like, comparing it to is a little bit like, scandal, just in terms of its bigness and how much it's, like, breached.

[A]

Just pop culture, where I'm like, is the president going to address this? I know. And like, yeah, scandal is a good comparison. I was thinking, like, that Bachelor in Paradise pause. That happened. It happened so long ago. So we forget how big it was, but at the time, it was the biggest thing that ever happened.

[B]

Yeah, that's a good comparison. And also, I compared it to Scandal because I remember thinking at the time, like, if you didn't watch this show, like, you were missing out on, like, such an interesting saga. And I feel like so many. So funny. Like, Morgan Stewart responded to one of my stories being like, can you explain this? Like, what's. I'm like, you are like. And my friend Abe text me being like, I'm gonna start the show. I'm like, girl, it's too late.

[A]

And now, like, you shouldn't start the show.

[B]

Correct. So it just reminding me of, like. Like, it's a Mount Rushmore, honestly, of pop culture news.

[A]

I cannot think of anything crazier. The idea that the Bachelor Was set to premiere next week. It's filmed, it's done and dusted, and they're pulling it.

[B]

This is unprecedented, right? Like a TV show being pulled.

[A]

I can't even remember that has been completely recorded. That's. Maybe people pull TV shows, like, for whatever reason, but nothing as big as the Bachelor.

[B]

They pull episodes. They don't pull whole seasons.

[A]

Yeah. Before it even starts.

[B]

And I just want to say, like, there's so many, like, so much weird Internet behavior. But, like, my whole timeline is filled with, like, people's takes. And I actually. It's such a dynamic, complex situation. I actually, like, like hearing people's takes, and it's all colored by their own, like, worldview and experience. But what's annoying me so much, I've seen so many people being like. I mean, I predicted that they would cancel this. Like, oh, wow, you predicted it. Like, duh.

[A]

No, there's a lot of different takes. I agree. I'm appreciating them because this thing is so layered. But what I will say and what makes it different from Scandal is, like, this is not fun.

[B]

No, no.

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Like, Scandal was, like, so salacious. Like, the worst thing someone did was, like, cheat on their boyfriend and girlfriend. As we said so many times, like, not a crime.

[B]

It did get dark, though, like, towards the end when they just wouldn't stop beating the fuck out of Raquel.

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But that was, like, on the flip side, you know, like, the thing that Raquel and Tom did like, was not criminal. So it was just like, you know, salacious. This is not that. This is really, really disturbing and upsetting and criminal. And so it's not like, oh, my gosh, tea. Like, I don't feel like tea. Or like, being like, no, I had sat pit, you know, I'm not enjoying this. I feel, like, really awful thinking about it. I thought about it all day yesterday, like, talking about it. I feel like it's so layer. There's so many different parts of the story, so we can just get into it.

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And then there was more breaking news between Jesse and Jordan, which I've, like,

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so have to see the backseat. They're the second story.

[B]

Yeah.

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And if you were mad that yesterday was too much slammu, like, I'm sorry, today's going to be more slam.

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Of course.

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And then it seems like we're going to be moving on from slammu.

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We'll talk about no Bachelorette. They aren't filming.

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But the thing is, like, what's so crazy about the situation is that this is what happened in 2023, when they took the break from filming Slammy, like, this is what happened then. And then they picked up cameras and gave an entire show and made this person the Bachelorette. Now I don't follow her closely enough to like, have read the court doc.

[B]

Police report. Right?

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Police reports about what happened that night. But the people in her life do. The people who were like putting her on television, like, they have a vested interest in these things. Like, this was not secret, this video. Right. Someone saw this video.

[B]

There is like a rumor like line out there that, you know, ABC is thinking about taking legal action against Taylor Frankie Paul for all the damages. Like, they're. They've lost so much money when it's so interesting to note that all of this information now. Yes, again, I didn't read the court document. I knew there was like a domestic violence call and I, I don't even know if I knew she pled guilty. But, like, I knew there was like a drama. It was a part of the show. I didn't think it was like that big of a deal because they use the body camera footage on the show.

[A]

Yeah, I thought she was just like a drunken. Maybe like, you know, her and Dakota spatting. I didn't realize, like.

[B]

But all of this is in the police report that she hurled a chair and ended up hurting her child. All of it. That there was a video of the video to the police to corroborate his story.

[A]

Right. So this is not.

[B]

Well in morality. Like, what Taylor Frankie Paul did is just abhorrent, evil. Legally. She actually didn't do anything wrong. And she doesn't really owe Hulu or ABC any money.

[A]

I don't think she owes him any money. Because they went into this.

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All of this was public information from 2023. She was cast in 2025.

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They should find Dakota for the video to TMZ and ruining their season.

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Correct.

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Like, this is all known. And if you are like in the business of Taylor Frankie Paul, like her producer John Samu, the people on the Bachelor who do so much vetting because they, they vet everything from tweets. You think they're not going to vet criminal history? That's the first thing a background check pulls up.

[B]

Well, this is the interesting.

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Still on probation.

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This is the interesting thing about this whole saga. Like, it couldn't have happened to a more like woke franchise. Like, this is a franchise that has had many scandals and like, in doing so has like always sort of sided with the. The backlash. And you know, they, they love to throw their people under the Bus.

[A]

There's another one next month. Right.

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And the show's not really popular anymore, but there was like a big era where the show was going through these sort of growing pains, like kind of, you know, ushering itself into the 21st century. And every time there was a bit of a snafu, whether it was Rachel Connell, Chris Harrison, there were so, like, they always sort of leaned into the backlash. And so how they ended up with a lead with a dark cr Criminal history and video footage of the, like, it couldn't have happened to a, like a worse franchise, I guess.

[A]

I don't know why. And they said, like, we just don't care and we're just excited to have, like a buzzy bachelorette. Maybe they were just like, like, so low excited to have people excited about something. And I think when she was announced, like, everyone was really excited. We were all really excited because I guess we didn't know the extent of what had happened.

[B]

See a decent amount of backlash.

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I saw a couple people being like,

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this is a person with a criminal record. This is a person with, like, multiple kids, by multiple dads. Like, is that who the Bachelor should be?

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Right.

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Platforming.

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Right? And they were right.

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Correct.

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And all of us who are like, rah, rah, were wrong.

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Right?

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Let's get into the stories because, like, literally it's going to be 40 minutes. I have so much to say. So without further ado da duda do it is time for the past five stories that you do need to know.

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Thank you. Terts and conditions.

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You're welcome.

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Charts and conditions. Our first story. So here's the story. If any of you guys aren't following this as closely as we are, but you've been paying attention this week because ABC has canceled Taylor Frankie Paul's season of the Bachelorette in the wake of horrifying abuse video. So starting earlier this week, we said there was a pause on filming of slammu. Something happened between Taylor and Dakota. Seemed kind of innocuous, but then actually

[B]

the timing was confusing because she was like, literally at the Oscars the night before. Sunday night, Monday morning, everyone stops filming.

[A]

Then the news came out that there was, like, a domestic dispute with them. There's an investigation going on. He alleges, like, physical abuse. Choking with an adult.

[B]

Abusing. Yeah. Physical violence with a child.

[A]

And that investigation was ongoing. So we're like, okay, wait and see. We're also watching the season unfold like Taylor is unraveling.

[B]

The Bachelorette is coming up.

[A]

The Bachelorette is premiering next week. And on the show, she's days away from the Bachelorette and she's still, like, involved in this toxic relationship with Dakota. And then yesterday, a video came out on TMZ of a domestic incident between Taylor and Dakota from 2023. So not the one that's like, got the show to pause this.

[B]

Not the necklace choking, but this is the one that is associated with her arrest. We knew she was arrested in 2023 on a domestic violence charge.

[A]

They had started filming for Secret Lives of Mormon Mives before she was arrested.

[B]

Then it became a storyline. They use the body camera footage they

[A]

didn't film for months. The show, like, almost didn't even make it. And this was before the show ever premiered. They had filmed like one episode and main character was arrested and it was really bad. And then months later, they picked up filming again and she's pregnant. In the video, when she was arrested, she was obviously drunk. She wasn't pregnant. She was fighting with Dakota. When they pick up, months later, she's pregnant with Dakota's baby. So, like the first season, she's going through this pregnancy.

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She had two children from a previous marriage. This was going to be her third.

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So it was always known that, like, there was something that happened that got her arrested. I don't think anyone, like, paid that. The fans didn't, like, pay that much attention to the Details of it, other than the fact that it was like domestic violence, drunken disorderly, content between, like, neighbors called the police.

[B]

Yeah. And I think, I think we can all acknowledge, like, when you hear about a domestic dispute where, like, the female is the aggressor, it's way different of a reaction than like, when the male is the aggressor. Especially just looking at them like, she's tiny and he's much bigger. Like, you don't think it poses a real threat. So I think part of, at least my reasoning for, like, I knew this. Did I think she was like a physical abuser? Like, no, not really. Just because, like, she's the girl.

[A]

I just thought she was a drunk, crazy person, like, causing chaos. The neighbors heard, they call the police.

[B]

It was more so like a noise thing.

[A]

Yeah. And I, I just assumed it was that she pled guil guilty. She's been on probation ever since.

[B]

But they, like never talked about it again on the show.

[A]

Well, now. And so the video that dropped yesterday on TMD is the video from that night. And it is horrible.

[B]

I actually, I started watching it yesterday and when I heard the kid crying and I read in TMZ.com that like, the kid was hit, I turned it off because it was like, really upsetting me. And then this morning I was like, well, we have to talk about it. I probably made it the first 60 seconds. And then today I was like, we're gonna talk about it. Like, let me watch the whole thing. And I still actually couldn't even make it all the way through because when the kid is screaming, mama, mama, Mama. And Taylor is just in a fight.

[A]

She's rage like a zombie. She's chucking barstools, metal bar stools at Dakota with both hands. Yep. And that. And Dakota is filming. So, like, first she. He's like talking to her and be like, look at you. And she's like, you did this. And then she like puts him in a headlock again.

[B]

He was able to film the whole thing, I don't think at that point was he like, really in pain? And then he had to put the phone down because she's literally wielding furniture.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the kid, they're in their living room. The kid is on the couch.

[A]

The kid. The first they show that the kid is on the couch. So this is just happening in front of at the time, their five year old. Her five year.

[B]

Five year old from the previous.

[A]

Not his child. And then I guess the child gets hit with some collateral barstool. And in the police report they do say the child had, like, a goose egg, and then they had to be treated for the injury. Insane. And she was arrested that night. She's been on probation for three years. She's still on probation. It was actually funny because Jesse said in the last episode, Taylor's not going to be at the Halloween party, so we can have alcohol. I guess she has not been allowed to be around alcohol. We have not seen her drink on the show. So I think she's also sober now. And now, yes, I did pick up on that.

[B]

And I didn't know what she was referencing.

[A]

And so that video is the reason that, by the way, that's just another

[B]

example of production, like, protecting Taylor. Like, you can't be around alcohol now. All the parties have to be sober.

[A]

Well, you just can't come otherwise she can't come. But they want her. But they were going so out of their way to have her on the show.

[B]

Even when they were at the titles and Jesse was like, oh, how long have you guys been here? You're ready and glam? She's like, yeah, well, that's what happens when you don't get special treatment. Yeah, yeah, she. It was in that moment I realized, like, yes, she is sort of like the main character, but recently they've all sort of been holding their own weight, and they all, like, are. And that's why I thought it was weird that she was on the swing, like, and everybody else was beneath her.

[A]

She's a swinger. That's what everyone said.

[B]

Sure. But she was, like, higher up and in the middle, and everybody was beneath her.

[A]

But she definitely is, like, even look, she's the biggest story in the country right now. She was the most, like, interesting character on the show. And I think she has a really hard time period. I think she has a hard time getting up. I think she has a hard time getting places. I think she, like. And so they give her the latest call time because they just want her to show up.

[B]

I want to talk about that, actually.

[A]

Let's finish what happened. So yesterday, the video from 2023 made its way to TMZ.

[B]

Everyone, you know, it's three horrifying minutes.

[A]

Their minds is that Dakota sold it to tmz, obviously.

[B]

And while I think a lot of people think that this video, like, vindicates Dakota, it doesn't. No, they are both one. Two things can be true, right? He's not, you know, like, this enormous victim. I also have heard that preceding the video, he locked her in the garage.

[A]

I saw someone say that that, like, in the moments before this video, he had locked her in the freezing garage.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For a number of hours.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then she comes out and then he starts recording. And this is what happened.

[B]

Now, none of that excuse it, but just to be clear, it's not like, oh, well, now we know that Dakota was the victim and Taylor was the aggressor. These are two abusive people. I think her method of abuse is more physical. I think his is very emotional and, like, verbal and, you know, that sort of invisible abuse that you can't really see. Psychological, if you will. So this is not like some big moment for Dakota.

[A]

No.

[B]

I think to me, he's still very much a villain. And I think any you. I've been flip flopping so much with, like, how I feel and obviously this has sort of cemented it for me.

[A]

Yeah. There's nothing to say after seeing this video. There's nothing you can say. ABC cannot run her season. They cannot, like, have this. We can't just go and watch her season. As if we didn't just see this video. Like, it's over now.

[B]

It's over.

[A]

It's over and it has to be over.

[B]

She has to be off. Secret lives.

[A]

Yeah. It's just crazy because this has been out there. And so now thinking about her in the last few years, I feel like Dakota has been holding this over her entire time.

[B]

Stephen DeMarco.

[A]

It's funny because watching her on the show, it does not appear as though she has enjoyed any minute of this success.

[B]

Baby. Yep.

[A]

She seems so sick, like, riddled with anxiety. She hates herself. She talks. When she talks to her family, she'll say, like, I'm a bad person. They have to tell her, no, she isn't. And when I used to watch that, I'm like, why? Because you were a swinger, right? Because you, like, had a crush on your friend's husband.

[B]

But no, it's because you hit your kid in the head with a chair.

[A]

So all this time she has been sort of like, repenting and, like, for

[B]

this invisible thing, for this thing that

[A]

we had no idea what it was. And now we know, and now we're like, mad. As mad as we were.

[B]

Like, as mad as she is at herself.

[A]

Right. But, like, she has been punishing herself for that. Like, she has been hating herself. I think unless there's more than this, Like, I think that this ruined her life. She never enjoyed anything of last few years. I think she's always been waiting for the other shoe drop. I'm shocked she even said yes to the Bachelorette.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Because that would, like, ignite Dakota, But I think she's in this hole, and she doesn't know how to get out, and she can't get out. And now she's stuck again.

[B]

Now, I had thought this when I was watching the finale and she wouldn't come out of her room to get on the plane, and the girls are outside. She's like, I'm so tired. I'm so tired. I'm so tired. And then when she gets on the phone with Dakota, he's like, yeah, me too. Me too. I just want to throw out the possibility because I had thought it at the time, but I feel like, why are you so tired? You know? Like, it's sort of. I felt. And this is all alleged allege that, like, perhaps they were using hard drugs. Like, why are you so tired? Because you were at Dakota. You had sex. Sex doesn't make you tired. People do it every night. Like, you know what I mean? He does have, like, a history.

[A]

Yeah. I didn't get that impression. But now, thinking about the state of her life, every time they show her house, it's an absolute mess. The way she appears, the way she. Her hair, the way she dresses when she's not going to event. Like, I know it's like, cool, girl. I like to wear Uggs and Crocs, but it gets.

[B]

It's more, like, dirty now.

[A]

It's like, the same one shirt. Like, to me, I never was getting, like, maybe you're right. But now it's just crossed my mind. This is a person who's, like, abused.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is a person who is so sick.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, doesn't know what to do and hates themselves. And of course, if. If something like this, like, it's unforgivable. How could she ever forget? Like, now I understand why she never forgave herself, why she doesn't let herself enjoy anything of the last three years. All these girls are, like, loving secret lives.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She never had that energy. And maybe at the time, you could have thought, like, oh, she. It's just not affected, right? No, it's, like, very dark.

[B]

Yeah. I think also. This is so crazy. I think also. What was I gonna say?

[A]

Oh, I thought you were, like. It just didn't know.

[B]

I was trying to be sensitive. No, no. Like, I think also. I don't know what I was gonna say. Like, there's so much here. It's actually the craziest thing I've ever lived through.

[A]

Yeah. It really is. And I think this The Stephen and Lucy analogy. Like now I'm holding on to something for so long. Yeah. And then like dropping it at the worst possible moment and like, oh, sorry, I knew what I was ruining this person. But my issue with Taylor, in addition to like what she did in that video but like in this season, like, she's just so weak. Like, I'm sorry if Dakota's moving on with Shania. Like, that's. Now I understand the final scene.

[B]

That's also why she's Lucy.

[A]

That's why I understand the final scene of Tell Me Lies. Like, actually it has to be his idea to like stop with her. And why, like, why is she still so in love with him? Like falling into bed with him, mad when he's with other people. Like, you should be glad if he's going to leave you alone even though he's doing it to get back at you. Like giving him that reaction and like being so weak. If he is really like the person that he seems to be given the season and giving the timing of this video going to tmz, like, why are you still in like in this dance with him? Like, why can't you be strong? Like you need to be strong at some point.

[B]

Like you can't really. While I, I do believe she is a victim of his abuse but also an abuser herself. And that's why I said it reminds me so much of Johnny Depp and Amber hear word. I really can't. And that's how I felt with Lucy too. Like, and Lucy, she was a college aged kid. This is like a 31 year old mom of three. Like at some point, like if you can't fight for yourself and your family and your kids and your kids have now ended up in this mess. The fact that after that incident, yes. She spent the next three years being like self pitying, hating herself. Like, why don't you throw yourself into motherhood? Like, I actually at this point, like I don't give a anymore. Like who's the abuser of him versus her. Like, all I care about is the fact that there's three kids now and one of them is shared by both of you and, and quite literally no one except Taylor's mom seems to care about this kid. Like, I don't, I actually don't even care so much anymore about there when I saw that, heard the kids screaming. Oh and I just want to say, like, I think anyone who hears their kids screaming like that sound. Mama, Mama. That could literally wake you up out of a coma. Taylor is so. I Think like a minute goes by before she addresses her child who she just hit in the head. Like, I'm sorry, I don't care. Like, I literally don't care if she's the victim, if he's a victim. You two toxic idiots who cannot take accountability for your own lives that go to go do that by yourselves. Like, leave the kids out of it. Like, now that the kids are involved, like, I don't even care about getting down to the bottom of like, who's who.

[A]

Like, no, it's over. It's just over. And I think.

[B]

And you really just, like, as much as while you want to have like sympathy for what she's going through, because I do believe he's like an evil person at some point, like, you gotta just stand up for yourself, for your kids.

[A]

You have to have strength. And it's really hard to do. It's hard. But you, it can be done and you can do it. And there are women who do it.

[B]

There are women who do it with no money, with no family, with no resources. You have every resource in the to like, take up for yourself and your kids.

[A]

And like, you haven't done it. Better choices and you haven't done it.

[B]

So, like, actually I just really can't

[A]

have three of the best reasons on earth to do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so I.

[B]

And if even at that lowest moment where you, I believe, accidentally hit your kid in the head with a chair, if that isn't the thing to pull you up by your bootstraps out of rock bottom, but then continue to have that behavior, like, I can't champion you, I can't help you. You can't even help yourself. Like, yeah, so I just think she's disgusting. You're both white trash, quite frankly. Yeah, that's a perfect quote.

[A]

What were you going to say when you lost your train of thought?

[B]

Oh, that, that like the fact that she didn't like throw herself into motherhood because. And you know you can't say these things when you're recapping a show. But like, it is weird that every time we see her, she's going to her parents house to pick up ever.

[A]

Yeah. Like, no. And sounding like she has him full time. So.

[B]

Correct. Like, and I understand people to juggle mother, but it's like, like, I don't know when are we gonna start prioritizing the kids? Like, yeah, that's what I was gonna say. And like, you can't say that when she's just like a regular person. But now we know that she's like a deeply problematic abuser. Like. Yeah. Also spend time with your kids.

[A]

Yeah. And they never stop really filming. So it's not like, oh, we'll film for two months. Okay. You know what? Motherhood will just like, like.

[B]

But all the other girls manage to do it.

[A]

Yeah. No. Yeah.

[B]

They're all always with their kids and

[A]

they're family friendly show. No. And they're full time parents. Like when you're co parenting, that means you have your kids half the time. So that the, the, the half that you have them, you're. It's not even 100.

[B]

But also, I don't believe that she has ever full time half at the time. I think that like, because remember we were saying Dakota took off for three weeks. Like, I think that he comes and goes as he pleases.

[A]

I don't you think she has him for more than half the time?

[B]

I do.

[A]

Oh, I thought you're about to say that he has.

[B]

No, no, no. I believe she has. I think the other kid, she co parents very well with the old husband and I need to hear from him. Yeah, they co parent very well. And I do believe like they do 50, 50. Because I think he has like a very stable home life. And I think for before the video came out, a lot of people were using that in defense of Taylor. Like, look, she co parents really well with her ex. It can be done. But Dakota's the problem. No. The two of them are just radioactive.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I truly only wish them both, like, truly the worst.

[A]

Like, yeah.

[B]

And I never want to see them again. Like, why am I talking about this? This is so low.

[A]

It's so low. We're not gonna see them again. So now it like, it just begs

[B]

the question, like, will mom talk survive this?

[A]

Will the show. Do you think there will be another season of the show?

[B]

Absolutely one. Because this is a national news story and I do want to know what the other girls do. And we were like, a core problem with this show is like, the girls are sheep. Right. They don't ever really stand up for what they believe. They're. They're young girls who are very, very influenced by online rhetoric and online hate and online public opinion. So they just go with whatever the comments say or what they think the comments will say we never really get to hear. Because now apparently they've all known this. Oh, please. Like, you know what I mean? If you didn't know it, that is just awful.

[A]

Yeah. But I feel like even if they knew this and they were disgusted with Taylor from 2023 she was so powerful. They were never. No, but the production always took Taylor's side. Like, if you really.

[B]

She always revolved around Taylor.

[A]

The first season, Whitney didn't really want to be associated with Taylor and we were like, oh, you're judgmental. You know, like, I blame production for like making Taylor. You have to be the one that you have to get along with in order for you to have a place on the show. Otherwise you're like cast out of Mom Talk.

[B]

Yeah, that's so true. No one really ever, unless they were

[A]

just like, I'm not going to be on the show because I don't want to be associated. Which, like, at 23 years old, when, like, it's a big thing, offered a show, like a life changing amount of money and fame, you, you'll be like, okay, I'll figure it out.

[B]

So to answer your question, I do think the show will go on at least for one more season. Same with Vanderpump Rules. Like, while the show was on its last fucking leg, they still got another season. And it was interesting and good and after that it was just not worth watching.

[A]

So I do.

[B]

And I think that if they try hard enough, like, they can have a successful show. Because I will say, like, as somebody who's watched a show from the very beginning, and I knew about Mom Talk drama before, I wasn't new to all this. Like, she was kind of my least favorite part of the show. Like, she's so crazy. I like the other girls, I think they've all done a good job of like, establishing themselves.

[A]

When I think of Mom Talk, I actually don't think of her. And then I like, remember, like, she's in her own or like, crazy orbit over there. Like when I think of like Macy and Michaela and Jesse and I agree there's at least one more season here. And I just want to say in thinking about it, I don't think the women had seen this video. Me neither.

[B]

No, I think it was something that, like, stayed between the two of them.

[A]

Very Steven and Lucy and no police and investigators. And then anyone who's running a background check.

[B]

It's just insane that like, the, like these people are so famous, right? We talk about them all the time and all this is out there.

[A]

Yeah. I saw someone say, like, she did talk about this on vial files once. I think she like, tried to explain, like, how bad, like, I don't think she was trying to hide what she did ever. But I don't think people realize.

[B]

Right?

[A]

You know, when it's like There's. Oh, I saw a really good comparison. It was like, some NFL player, I think Ray Rice, he had been like. There was a story that he had abused his romantic partner, and he got suspended for two games. And then the video came out, and he never played in the NFL again.

[B]

Like, did you see the video?

[A]

He should never leave his house dragging by the hair.

[B]

It's fucking.

[A]

There's a difference between hearing, oh, yeah, Abuse his wife. Okay. Suspend. Even though the NFL just sucks.

[B]

It's a joke. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

But then seeing the video where it's like, there's no coming back.

[B]

It's on par with the Cassie P. Diddy city hotel security footage. Like, in terms of, like, the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

[A]

Yeah. So, like, they heard that she. The domestic violence incident. Okay, we'll pause the show. We're not. Well, pick.

[B]

And I just want to say that's what the difference is. And I think you can't talk about this conversation without talking about how different it is when, like, a female is the aggressor versus the man being the aggressor. Because there was absolutely nobody saying when the Cassie video came out or when the Rice video came out, being like, well, he was. She was also kicking him, you know, but, like, because you. Excuse me now, it's just interesting how there's so much discourse and people are making really valid points on both sides. Like, I agree with everyone.

[A]

So what are you trying to say? That it should be the same?

[B]

No, I'm just saying it's not the same.

[A]

No, it's not the same. I mean, biologically, we're not the same. No stronger than women.

[B]

I mean, there's a reason why he thought he could film her abusing him physically, because up until before she picked up the chair, she was not a real threat.

[A]

Yeah. When the woman was in. Heck, you wouldn't just.

[B]

You need both hands.

[A]

Yeah. No, like, by, like, physically speaking, like,

[B]

you can't talk about this. It's different. And there's a reason why. Like, like.

[A]

Oh, I wasn't comparing.

[B]

Because if this was revolved reverse, we'd be like, well, you're a victim blaming Dakota. Like, no. Because he's also an abuser.

[A]

Yeah. No, I. And I'm not even saying.

[B]

And that's why people had such a hard time also with the Johnny Depp. Amber heard case. Like, because it's inconceivable.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, but she did that shit. Like, so did he. Yeah, so did he.

[A]

And then.

[B]

Can we just quickly talk About Jesse and Jordan. Oh, yeah.

[A]

That's our next story. No one is surprised of all of this.

[B]

Jordan, in the middle of the day yesterday, Everyone is reeling from this video.

[A]

That's so Jordan.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's like, do you think there.

[B]

Okay, there's two things happening. One, Jordan is obviously jealous of all the attention the other two are getting. And two, you know, him and that loser are best friends, which I just want to say match made in fucking heaven. I could see him being like, bro, let me help you. Maybe the tides were turning. The comments were turning negative towards Dakota. It's not panning out the way he thought. It was being like, here, let me drop this. Because Jordan filed.

[A]

Jordan filed for divorce from Jesse. So no more separation. Boop bop. The house is listed like, divorce. They are getting divorced. He did it on the day that the video came out, which is so. Because I know. I feel like he, like, wanted to cap. Like, get a part of the action, obviously, but it actually buries his story. Who gives a fuck, right? Like, if he really wanted his moment, he should have waited. Of course.

[B]

Like. And you know what?

[A]

Good. But I just want to say I think he filed when he saw the episode about the prenup. He. I don't think he knew that.

[B]

I don't think he knew that he had his chance.

[A]

I don't think he knew that he was entitled to this.

[B]

I think that the prenup is gonna stand because I don't think she would be dumb enough to, like, put that out there and give him, like, you know, a big signal being like, hey, if we get divorced because we don't even like each other, you could get half my empire, you know?

[A]

But if. If the prenup doesn't stand, period, like, if it just. If it's not going to, then what does she have to lose by saying that on the show? And at least now we know. At least now we know he's taking half and, like, we can ride at dawn.

[B]

Well, yeah, now that you've officially separated, Everybody go to JayZ Styles.com, buy the merch. Because now that they're separated anymore, now that he's filed.

[A]

Okay, so now we can buy everything now.

[B]

Support Jesse. Did you see? She also posted with Sasha Farber from Dancing with the Stars being like, a video. She's like, I barely know how to dance, but Sasha Farber's teaching me. Jesse for the Bachelorette. Okay. Jesse for Dancer with the Stars. Jesse for Traitors.

[A]

Well, I don't think as much as we can now say who would Be a good Bachelorette. I think the bachelorette is so done with these people.

[B]

Well, so where did does this mean for the franchise?

[A]

Like, well, and they also are losing like tens of millions of dollars. The guys who thought they were about to have their big break, who quit their jobs. Back to work.

[B]

I just want to say the guys who quit their jobs, that serves you right for being like a man who quits his job to go on reality tv. Like, that's for girls. Sorry. Like, that does suck big balls. Like, that just fucking blows. Yeah, it happens a lot. Because you can't take like really like a 10 week hiatus from work. A lot of people quit their jobs.

[A]

Oh, I read the spoilers for her season.

[B]

I guess, like, we can share them, right?

[A]

And actually it was surprising. I'm gonna share them. Who gives a. It was surprising in the fact that nothing crazy happened. She made it to the end with a guy, Dakota. Like, nothing. Based on what I saw, he didn't show up. Dakota or Chase or no one.

[B]

The guy from the.

[A]

No, not that I think. And she like chose a guy at the end.

[B]

Was his name yes.

[A]

Yeah, I saw people in the comments, by the way. Year three, like didn't even make it. But I had chose to wait. I can say. Who cared? Yeah.

[B]

By the way, it's never airing. So do they get engaged?

[A]

I believe they got engaged. No. And then in January, they broke up.

[B]

You're kidding me. I'm sorry. Like, even if the season had aired. Such a waste of time.

[A]

Yeah, they broke up and then she was like back doing like toxic shake with Dakota. But, like, obviously she's not with either one of them right now.

[B]

Okay. Just we go back to Jordan and Jesse because, like, I hate that this is getting buried because, like, this is the best thing that's personally ever happened to me. I hate him so much. And like, if she does have to give him half, like, just do it. Like, it's worth the price of admission. It's worth the price of your freedom.

[A]

But imagine, like, imagine if slammu kind of tanks after this. Like, I don't know how many brands will want to be like. And especially for now, like, I think things are going to cool off.

[B]

But she's the only one who has like a really legitimate business outside. They said that she was really rich before the show even started. She like, always had the nicest house.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

With her salon, which is enormous. And then it also, like, she has a line of extensions. Like she makes certain hair. You could buy her products online. It's very Successful.

[A]

Yes, but it's like the peak years of her earning. Yeah, it was when she was married.

[B]

Let me ask you a question. If you start your business, I don't know what the Utah you know. Let me just ask chat like in

[A]

Utah marriage, start your business before you get married.

[B]

In Utah law, if someone starts a business before they get married and they end up getting divorced, do they owe their partner half of the business? Searching the web. No, not automatically. And you tell your spouse does not automatically get half of the business you started before marriage, it can get more nuanced. So Utah is an equitable distribution state where the courts divide marital property fairly. Not necessarily 50, 50 slay fare depends on things like the length of the marriage, income contributions. I love that because he hasn't made, he doesn't work.

[A]

Hopefully the judge A business started before

[B]

marriage is usually separate property. If you owned a business before getting married, it is generally considered your separate property. That means your spouse does not automatically, automatically get happy craft but part of it can become divisible. And this is where people get tripped up. Even if the business started before the marriage, your spouse maybe may be entitled to a portion of the value if the business grew during the marriage.

[A]

A portion of the value that grew.

[B]

Or if the growth was due to marital money. No, your spouse's efforts helping run into support.

[A]

Actually, I would say the opposite.

[B]

No, her whole family works.

[A]

I would say despite the of Jordan's behavior on the show, she is still a success.

[B]

Or your own work during the marriage. Damn.

[A]

I'm sure he'll fight tooth.

[B]

When was Jay Z Styles in Utah Incorporated? Why is it called Z? Her name is Draper. I don't know, maybe she started like with a business partner.

[A]

Well, she said that her dad like runs the business, helped her with the business.

[B]

Okay, so Jay Z Styles Hair LLC was established in 2016 and they've been married for five years. So. Yeah, she started five years before.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay, great. Yeah.

[A]

Praying for her.

[B]

Praying for her. And I'm. I'm genuinely so happy. Oh and I just want to say, I think that we just need to acknowledge and say loud like the husbands have ruined one of the greatest show like let this be a lesson like keep your ugly smelly, thirsty ass husbands off of women's tv. Like you really ruined.

[A]

Unless they are Frank Catania. Oh yeah, Joe.

[B]

Unless they're happy being like like subplot characters who are the butt of the joke. Like that's why the house husbands of Jersey were so successful because they literally like never like never acted like they were better or what are bigger. Like, they just enjoyed the scraps that they were given. The men of Utah have ruined one of the greatest shows of all time. And let's not forget that.

[A]

Okay, yeah, yeah, it will be.

[B]

Taylor also ruined it. Like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And really, like, I guess the show

[A]

always had it from the start.

[B]

The show always had an expiration date.

[A]

It's crazy that this happened really. Before the show was green. Before any of the.

[B]

No, the show was greenlit.

[A]

No, but then it was red lit. Yeah, of course.

[B]

But they knew they were gonna be on tv.

[A]

No, but then it happened and they didn't know that if the show was gonna move forward, they had filmed one episode and it happened. So it's like, oh, we have no show. And everything that came after came after this incident.

[B]

I wonder if the court.

[A]

So it was like always set to fail. Because the moment we saw this, it was gonna be over.

[B]

Oh, and Whitney is obviously not returning to this shit show of a franchise.

[A]

Honestly, Whitney will come out unscathed. Like, because now I think when you, like, if you are branding, you want to book like a Mormon wife. There's a bad association at the moment. At the moment.

[B]

Except with Whitney.

[A]

Maybe they could bring it back. But not with Whitney.

[B]

She lives somewhere else.

[A]

Like, honestly, good onto me, Slay onto me. Not that I know what she's gonna do next, but at least she's not like completely attached.

[B]

She posts to this just being like, you know, it was a quote. And she responded like, I'll die on this hill. And the quote was like, as long as you have like a happy home life and you know, nothing else matters, like, you're richer than.

[A]

Also, it's worth mentioning that, that Taylor's team did put out a statement that's very confusing.

[B]

Yeah, very garbage.

[A]

Their spoke. A spokesperson said it's sad to see the latest installment of his never ending, desperate, attention seeking, destructive campaign to harm Taylor without any regard for the consequences for their child. Releasing an old video which conveniently omits context on their son's birthday is a reprehensible attempt to distract from his own behavior. Thankfully, the public has seen this act before and knows who he is. And sadly, many will recognize this pattern of manipulation both in his actions on the show and from their own experiences.

[B]

Well, while I can see a world in which this is very like Stephen DeMarco and yeah, he. All of that is true. To not open your statement being like, I'm horrified. Like, this the worst moment of my whole life. Everyone has now watched on tmz. Like, I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, that part.

[B]

That's bad. That's bad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. And like, if there is context missing, which she said, which is that. Which is rumors online are that he locked her in a freezing cold Utah garage for hours while their kids were inside. Like, like, tell us what context. What's with the vague. Tell us.

[A]

Yeah, I wonder why they're not.

[B]

I wonder what she's going to do. Like, she going to do a sit down interview. And like, who would take this on?

[A]

Who would take this on? I don't know.

[B]

I think if Alex Cooper did it, she would get like a lot of hate. But like, that's what I think of like a sit down interview on a podcast.

[A]

You think Alex Cooper should do it?

[B]

Like, I feel conflicted between, like, let's stop giving this trash more platform just to like, like, you know, continue being awful. But also, like, I, I can see a world in which there's a really. The context she speaks that there is

[A]

a lot more to the story and we are all wrapped up in the story now.

[B]

We're all wrapped up in the story. And I just want to say everything we see and hear is from Dakota. So it's very easy to be Team Dakota when it's like we're getting all. Where maybe Taylor has videos. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like. But I don't think it would help because I think at the end of the day it's like, she still did that.

[A]

No, it's. It's over. But like, but did she go out,

[B]

like, in her worst moment?

[A]

I don't.

[B]

Maybe in five years she writes a book. I don't know.

[A]

No, but like, by then she'll be like, solidified as, as what we just saw.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As opposed to like, her in some way trying to rectify. Yeah, but yeah, as much as, like, you don't want to platform this anymore and we want to move on. Like, we are.

[B]

I'm interested to hear from her and

[A]

we are all involved in this. Like, we are all paying attention. Everyone is like very emotionally invested in the story. So if there's more to the story, then know the rest of the story. Yeah, I wonder. I mean, can you imagine, like, what her day is like, what yesterday was like for her?

[B]

I actually imagine maybe there's a part of her that's relieved. Like if he was sort of holding this thing over her for three years and she knows how much she has to lose, she can't enjoy any of her success and it's like yeah, it's the worst thing ever. But it's happened. Like, nothing worse can happen.

[A]

Yeah, maybe. Yeah.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Like, if you think about the way she's acted on the show, it's not normal. It's like she's been holding her breath, like, and hating herself. Now we know why. She hated when she always used to cry and have her break down. I'm a bad person. Like, and we just didn't get it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, well, that's slammu for the day. We'll see what happens over the weekend. Our next story. Ugh. Like, who cares?

[B]

I know, I know.

[A]

Genuinely, like, do we have an ad break?

[B]

Should we just end? Should we just end?

[A]

Can we, like, do Queenie and we, like, seriously, do you care? That's Aston. Usher and Justin.

[B]

I kind of do.

[A]

I kind of do Usher and just. Austin Bieber had an intense altercation at Beyonce's Oscar. Oscar's afterparty. TMZ has learned.

[B]

Yes. Which is, like, kind of crazy.

[A]

It is because of their history, of course.

[B]

And there is something, like, always eternally weird about Justin Bieber's, like, rise to fame.

[A]

Right? Yeah, I guess because, like, people insist, you know, there's something weird because he was young.

[B]

Because he was young. There's something weird. Like, whenever we talk about, like, Internet or. No, sorry. Like, Hollywood weirdness, like, Justin Bieber always gets brought up. So this is weird. And, like, when you think of the people who are very. Who were very involved in his upbringing, you think of Scooter Braun and Usher. Now, both of them don't talk to Justin Bieber, but they talk to each other. Interesting.

[A]

That's, like, not so crazy to me. Like, people have falling out. So, you know, especially if you, like, if you look back on your life. Oh, I didn't like, how this was done or that. Or I feel like that person took advantage of me. It's like, okay, you were there for a season. But.

[B]

Well, also, another interesting part about this is that Taylor Swift was at this party.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you're telling me Taylor Swift was in the same room as, like, Justin Bieber? I don't know why I think that's so weird. She has, like, so many, like, landmine enemies. Like, when you think about, like, the connections from, like, all the different people in her life, life, former friends, you know, foes.

[A]

And it's like, she literally, like, step on him.

[B]

Oh, yeah, of course. I don't think she's afraid of him.

[A]

I'm surprised Justin went like, yeah, but he doesn't he doesn't care about anything.

[B]

Yeah, he doesn't.

[A]

So he's. He doesn't. Probably doesn't even know he has beef with Taylor Swift.

[B]

Like, I imagine when Taylor confirms her RSVP at a party, she also gets, like, a copy of the guest list, making sure that, like, you know, Carly Claus is maybe at a point, but

[A]

I feel like now when she shows up somewhere, especially, like, with Travis, it's like, yeah, yeah. Nothing else matters.

[B]

No, not only that. Nothing else matters. Like, everybody's an actual plebeian compared to, like, even at Beyonce and Jay Z's Oscar party, it's like, well, Taylor Swift is here, right?

[A]

So, like. And I'm sure plenty of people in that room have beef with each other, whether, like, people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Famous or just, like, business people.

[B]

Speaking of beef, are we gonna talk about Olivia Rodrigo?

[A]

No.

[B]

Can we?

[A]

Sure. What did she do?

[B]

She's on the COVID of British Vogue.

[A]

Right.

[B]

She actually looks really pargy. She's gearing up for another album. And the. I just have to say, the person who interviewed her, like, obviously listens to the toast because they asked her about Sabrina Carpenter, and she gave her very political answer. But then the writer writes, like, you know, she insists that it's all good, but Olivia looks visibly uncomfortable or, like, agitated.

[A]

Well, that is bias by the writer.

[B]

Yeah. And Olivia basically said, like, I love Sabrina, like, so happy for her success. And it's just like, you know, it's this thing that everyone's, like, always gonna bring up, and it's just, like, annoying. And it's like, yeah, well, I'm gonna bring it up always.

[A]

Well, you started it.

[B]

Well, that's. That is why I wanted to bring it up.

[A]

So, yeah, it's annoying. It was annoying for Sabrina had to climb out of the hole that you dug and pushed her into.

[B]

So that's what I wanted to say. I'm actually really glad you said that.

[A]

You forever intertwined yourself with her, though.

[B]

Olivia is so lucky that, like, the one in a million thing that happened to Sabrina Carpenter did. Because it was on its way to being, like, in, like, a tragedy of Olivia's doing. Like, what now? In hindsight, like. Like, it's fine because Sabrina's the biggest star in the world. Like, maybe she wouldn't have been that without the drama, but she did really got that, like, all on her own, like, just out of sheer talent, but not enough people talk about, like, how. If that didn't happen, like, how awful that was. And so sorry if. Like, if your punishment is having to Be asked about it in every interview you do. Like, I think that's fair because, like,

[A]

you decided to get in the ring and now people are keeping in the ring, like. Right, okay.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm sure at one point, like, Sabrina's rise to fame, like, maybe bothered Olivia, but now she should be grateful for it because she would have just ended up being, like, in, if you look back at the story, like a big bully.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, bullied this girl out of the music industry.

[A]

Yeah. But she was also 16 and she was just like writing about her feelings. That's also true, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She didn't have to be so specific, but I think that's how she, like, communicates her feelings. So all things are fine. Just, like, prepare to always be associated with it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And don't ask me to feel bad for you.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I'm streaming Skin as always as Sabrina

[B]

also headlined last night Lalapalooza. Like, international. I forget where. It was like, somewhere huge. It was like 100,000 people. I was watching, like, somebody put like a 30 minute video of the concert on Tik Tok today. And I was watching it. It was amazing.

[A]

Oh, Sabrina Den.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Brini.

[B]

Brainy. She looks so cute.

[A]

South America.

[B]

I want to say Sa Paulo, but don't quote me on that.

[A]

You just wanted to say.

[B]

I did just want to say some Paulo. So.

[A]

Yeah. Cheetah girls.

[B]

Cheetah sisters. Was I right about Sao Paulo? Oh, no. Okay. I was right.

[A]

Oh. Our next story is actually very exciting news for here at the toast. For here, for here. Because Demi Lovato is a dress.

[B]

I'm cracking up. She's so funny.

[A]

Viral heart Attack performance at the American Heart association event. So one of the greatest stories ever. That's now sort of like my bubble is burst a little bit.

[B]

But I wish she was never asked.

[A]

Demi Lovato performed at the American Heart association, like five years ago event, and she performed her hit song heart Attack.

[B]

If I ever did that, I think I'd have a heart attack. I think I'd have a heart attack. Like she said heart attack probably 50 times. A room full of people who have either, like, you know, have heart conditions themselves, been affected by people who have, like, lost people to heart. And the Internet was just questioning the choice.

[A]

And so it went viral for all the wrong reasons and the right ones. And it was just like a really funny piece of Demi Lovato lore. Now she is doing press.

[B]

Her cookbook. She's right. Wrote a cookbook. Oh.

[A]

One plate at a Time.

[B]

Because she started doing, like, TikTok.

[A]

We had reported that she was going to do a cookbook.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm not sure about this, but I think, like, a huge part of, like, her eating disorder healing journey is, like, learning to cook. So it's been, like, this big thing.

[A]

And so I think in her cookbook, if I'm remembering the reporting that we did, the stellar reporting, it was, like, part cookbook, like, part memoirs. Memoirs of her eating disorder, struggle and food healing her.

[B]

Yeah, right, exactly.

[A]

So it's so like, part story, part.

[B]

So that's why she's going, like, a little deep in part of the interview.

[A]

Part herstory.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Part cookbook.

[B]

Her story.

[A]

You know what? There's a lot of cookbooks out there. Like, you kind of have to do

[B]

something, switch it up a thousand percent.

[A]

You need an angle.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So she said, I want to. She talked about the event on Elvis Duran. Like, shout out to them for bringing.

[B]

For asking this question, the important questions.

[A]

She said, they asked me to sing that. She said. I flagged that beforehand and was like, isn't this, like, not the vibe? And they said that her. The fan. The AHA told her that fans would want to hear the 2023, 2013 track. So she agreed. And then, of course, people online are like, why did she sing that? I'm like, y', all, it wasn't me. I flagged it.

[B]

I just want to say that AHA has got a wicked sense of humor. I think a lot of people are, like, so afraid to offend or whatever, but I don't know. I, like, love that they did this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She was also recently on Kiki Palmer's podcast. It's like, an amazing podcast. She, like, baked cookies for Kiki and brought them in a Tupperware. It was really cute. But then I was reading people's comments, and when we were talking about people who could replace Kelly Clarkson, we didn't mention Kiki Palmer. And I just want to say she absolutely could.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Her podcast is really funny, and she interviews people. She sings. I think it's actually. And she did do the GMA circuit.

[A]

It's the same syllables. The Kiki Palmer Show. Yes.

[B]

And she. She has background in, like, network talk tv. She did, like, the third hour of GMA or two, whatever with, like, Michael Strahan. It was, like, it got canceled, but I think people really liked it. Not enough people, but give Kiki Palmer a chance. I actually think that's a really good call. Call.

[A]

Great. I agree. We just got breaking news in our phones.

[B]

Somebody hold on. I want my genuine reaction.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Oh, Chuck Norris died.

[A]

Yeah. Rest in peace.

[B]

That's so sad. He's an American mar. Like, obviously I know his face. Like, what is he from?

[A]

And he's just like iconic from what?

[B]

Yeah, I feel like he's was in Entourage a lot, you know, as everyone uses his name.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes. But he's like, apparently a martial artist king.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Of karate, taekwondo, tang, SUU chun kuko, Brazilian jiu jitsu and judo by the Internet. Wastes no time. Like, he's already dead on his Wikipedia, you know.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

That's insane. March 10th to March 19th, 2026. Like, that's crazy.

[A]

How old was he?

[B]

He. How old? 86. Oh, wow. A life well lived.

[A]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

SNL launches a short form series called the Rundown.

[B]

Let's dive into Queening and we need of the week.

[A]

But SNL has launched a new short form series on Peacock and YouTube titled the Rundown. In each episode, SNL alum like the Faves, Dana Carvey, Mikey Day, Bonier Low and Yang Quest Love will select a favorite segment from the show's history and add it to Lorne Michael's famous the Rundown board. Building an All Star episode over time.

[B]

So just old clips, like, stitched together.

[A]

Yeah. To make like for the best SNL episode. I guess that's like what happens when you don't have like when like the

[B]

past is behind you.

[A]

Like the best is behind you. Yeah.

[B]

All right, let's dive into Queenie and Weenie of the Week, our weekly segment. It was actually very hard to choose Queenie Weanie because obviously like, like Queenie. Right, let's.

[A]

But obviously Queenie, Honestly, because we only have weenies. I'm sorry, that's my queenie right there.

[B]

Actually, I had a couple of Queenies.

[A]

That's my queenie right there. Connor Leavitt, like, rising above. I want to hear from Connor Leavitt on the matter.

[B]

Connor does not want to talk about it. Like, they are so happy to be out. So Queenie Mean of the week is our final segment of the week where Jackie and I wrap up the week in a little bow, turn around, take a look at a glance and give out two awards. Queenie of the week and Weenie of the week. It's very self explanatory. If you acted in a Queenie like mattress, you might find yourself as Queenie of the week. Don't get too comfortable, sweetheart, because next week you could be the weenie of the week. Too. It's a seven day title. It's all in good fun. Obviously. Like you know Dakota's not the weenie of the week.

[A]

Right. Like if you've committed crimes, you are not the weenie. Like you're going to jail instead.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To perhaps.

[B]

Oh, I have an interesting Queenie.

[A]

Who's your Queenie?

[B]

I don't know if you saw, but last night the members of Florida Georgia Line reunited for a concert.

[A]

I saw.

[B]

Now actually in recent weeks we haven't talked about it, but the four of them, the two players of the band and their wives lives went on a trip, a vacation together then posted a selfie being like a great weekend of healing, yada yada. They have exclusive like each individually talked a lot about their breakup and more so recently. And I think that they both tried. I think they got back together for whatever reason, but I think it was that they both tried to be individual singers and flopped so hard and it's hard to reclaim they were so successful.

[A]

Like insane lightning in a bottle.

[B]

Lightning in a bottle. And honestly I don't think them getting back together is going to be that lighting again.

[A]

Like, like it's ruined and like we've moved on, you know. The Ella Langley is now crooning. Of course.

[B]

And like your wives hate each other. Like I know.

[A]

Are you still lib and you still Maga? Like they claimed. They claimed she's still.

[B]

They claimed it had nothing to do with being Lib and maga. Like they, they both maintain that so hard. Even though that's obviously what it is.

[A]

That's obvious. No. And it's obvious that like the two wives I didn't want, like they just don't be associated.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

I don't even think it's that. I think it's like they just don't, they're not friends, they don't vibe and like when you're so intertwined mind with this other couple that like you actually don't want to spend time with and now you're going on the road together every event. Like they're literally like by your side for everything. Like that's not fun if that's not someone that you're actually close to.

[B]

But I do want to commend them for putting whatever political differences aside and trying to reclaim the magic. I'm cheering you on if you want to start releasing bangers like Cruise. Like I personally am down. I'm ready to receive that kind of information. So Queenie of the week to both of you for being mature adults 10 years later. Later.

[A]

Respect. My queenie of the week is Connor Lee Abbott.

[B]

No explanation necessary.

[A]

No, it's got the magic in him. Magic in me.

[B]

Oh, you know what? Whenever we can think of a weenie, we should just make a Ben Platt. I love that we need a Ben

[A]

Blood, but my week is like, full of weenies.

[B]

I know. So I was trying to think. Obviously my beanie had to come from Secret Lives and Mormon wise, but there are so many people who acted actually above and beyond weenie dumb.

[A]

Like, but I feel like Jordan is your weenie.

[B]

No, Jordan needs to go to jail. My weenie, Zach Affleck. I'm sorry, I know that's hard for

[A]

you, but, like, it's okay. It's a temporary title and he deserves.

[B]

He's does deserve it.

[A]

But like, also, Jen sent it. I know, I know. The woman is supposed to know, but

[B]

I'm not going to blame the postpartum woman. I'm going to blame the man. So, Zack Affleck, you are weenie of the week.

[A]

My weenie of the week is Jace Matthews.

[B]

Jackie hates Jace. Like you. Actually, people don't even know, like, the extent that you really hate him. She said these crazy voice memos when she's watching the show, being like, you ugly little frat. Why get the away from your wife who just had a baby. I hate.

[A]

I can't stand him.

[B]

Oh, my God, no. And you're so valid for that. He doesn't get enough hate.

[A]

He does not get enough hate. And like, once he gets enough, hey, like, we can move on from it. Like, and I want them to be together and I just like, want him to shut the up for a minute. Like, let your wife breathe. Yeah, let her breathe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like she moved to California.

[B]

Did you say no?

[A]

That's bad news?

[B]

No, she said for her healing, like, she was on the beach.

[A]

Oh, she needs fresh air. That's like, you know when you back in the day, if you had had like, consumption, you had to like, go drive Arizona. Right.

[B]

So she said like, pov, you moved your family to California so that you could heal. And, like, all the kids were at the beach. It was cute. But like, I didn't see Jace.

[A]

Interesting. Is she healing mentally, emotionally or physically? It was giving.

[B]

Physical.

[A]

I hope so. I do. That sounds nice because. Yeah. That people also said they were living with mold and that's what was causing her.

[B]

Yeah. Outbreaks.

[A]

So hopefully they can fix that up. But I understand she needs a little vitamin C. Sea love that. Not vitamin D at the moment.

[B]

Vitamin J. A Great week of shows. A pleasure as always. We're actually recording a Patreon after this. So we. So yesterday we recorded.

[A]

Oh, we didn't even talk about this.

[B]

Oh, my God. The craziest episode we've ever done on Patreon. We have been told for years to get our birth charts read. Jackie and I don't really buy into that. Nevertheless, we had a professional astrologer create our charts and then do a reading of them for us. And I will say, like, as skeptical as I was, she kind of nailed it. On a lot of friends.

[A]

He nailed us.

[B]

She joined us virtually. She read our charts, explained everything. We talked a lot about, like, our compatibility cosmically, which, like I said yesterday, remember when I said Jackie and I were Irish twins? Like, she totally corroborated that. Yeah, more so like soul mates.

[A]

Soul sisters. Sisters. It's true. Like, our. Our stars are aligned.

[B]

Our stars are aligned. Share a lot of, like, degrees.

[A]

We share at 22 too.

[B]

So that's on Patreon.

[A]

And then today, what's your biggest learning of yourself?

[B]

I'm actually like a very self aware person. It's something I really like.

[A]

She told us a lot that I'm like, yeah, facts, but, like, what was the biggest thing that you took away? Like, that you're an artist.

[B]

Oh, she did say that. I forgot about that. She did say that I was an artist.

[A]

And like, she really took you seriously in your art and like, this is your art. Like, yeah, it's not like you're gonna go painting, but, like your comedy. You are an artist.

[B]

No, she saw me for really the artist that I am.

[A]

She did, yeah.

[B]

So that I really appreciated. And then also my favorite part and like, the thing I took away is like, we are literally like, connected in an interstellar level.

[A]

Oh, that's so beautiful.

[B]

Yeah. I was telling Ben. I feel like now I'm also looking out for the number 22.

[A]

Oh, also I need her to, like, make charts for my children, obviously, like, and my husband.

[B]

But I need, like, the number 22. I've never had a favorite number. Like how Taylor Swift, like, she sees 13 and everything. I've never had, like, a number that means anything to me. And she did say that, like, both

[A]

of our charts, Our number is 22.

[B]

We're very heavily, you know, know, influenced with the number 22.

[A]

The number 22 was showing up a lot.

[B]

I just feel like now when I start, like, looking at the clock, it's going to be like 1041 guess, but

[A]

41 is 22 plus 22 minus 3.

[B]

I love that. So she joined us virtually. It was a really fun episode where we got both of our charts read. And then today Jackie and I are. We're like all about bringing in professionals to the Patreon. We've also.

[A]

Because your time here is winding down. So like everything we've ever wanted to

[B]

do, like, we're in studio. So today we have a color analyst. I've actually this is something I want to do for. For myself, like getting your colors done. I've been told I'm a deep winter. I don't know what that means. We have an actual professional coming to do an on camera color analysis for both of us. So we're gonna finally like walk away knowing who we really are.

[A]

Yeah. And we're gonna. She want us to take off our makeup and I'm gonna need to her to make a case.

[B]

We bought makeup remover.

[A]

Like, I'm open to it, but like, I don't need my colors for when I'm in my pajamas. Like, this is what I look like.

[B]

Yeah. No, I'm also like, I'm just not

[A]

doing that, you know, but like, I want my colors for this face.

[B]

Yeah. Right.

[A]

Not my.

[B]

Because if I'm wearing color, I'm also wearing makeup.

[A]

Right.

[B]

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[A]

If you love the toast, it's inflation proof.

[B]

It's five extra episodes a month now. Those episodes are sometimes vlogs, sometimes, you know, professional on camera analysis consultations. Vlogs with the family cooking. Like, it's really fun behind the scenes stuff. More pop culture deep dives if you're ever looking for that too too. Once you become a member, you get access to all the patrons we've ever done, which is like 300 episodes accounting some historic episodes like the great chili cook off of 2020. Like so many iconic episodes. And most recently, one of our kind of biggest episodes to date. Headbands.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

We are recording one more next week.

[A]

Okay. Before you leave. Yeah, like, that was so much fun.

[B]

So head over to patreon.com toast It's a great way to get more content and support your girls. And thank you so much for listening to the Toast and Monday morning show where we deal the fast five stories that you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give us video a thumbs up. We're also available as a podcast anywhere Podcast found so Spotify itunes, Stitcher Public Radio. I already castbox all the places. Wherever you listen to podcasts, find us the TER and leave a five star review ass about how beautiful, stunning and wickedly talented we are. Hope you guys have an amazing fun part. Delicious, safe weekend and we will see you on Monday.

[A]

Love you. Bye.

[B]

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