Cardboard Coji: Friday, January 23rd, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast

Episode: Cardboard Coji: Friday, January 23rd, 2026
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: January 23, 2026

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Overview

This lively Friday episode of The Toast finds sisters Jackie and Claudia Oshry in peak end-of-week form. They discuss everything from luxury haircuts and million-dollar happiness to pop culture news, reality TV, viral scandals, and their personal lives. The episode maintains its signature blend of pop sensibility, irreverent humor, and cultural commentary, with key segments dedicated to media recaps, celebrity drama (special focus on the ongoing It Ends With Us saga), and the fan-favorite "Queenie & Weenie" awards.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Friday Vibes, Hair Talk, and Wealth Fantasies

• Short Week Reflections: Opening banter about MLK Day making the week feel both long and undeservedly short.
• Chris Appleton Hair Admiration: Both hosts are thrilled with their new hairdos courtesy of famed stylist Chris Appleton, with discussions about the absurd $100,000 price tag for a personal cut and how they “scored” theirs as podcast queens ([01:00]).
• Money and Happiness: Jackie quips that she won’t "truly be happy till I have a billion dollars" ([02:04]), while Claudia recounts from “comment section wisdom” that $200 million is the “sweet spot” for happiness ([02:16]), sparking a brief debate about wealth, happiness, and social circles.
• "We’re just like you – except, like, happier": The hosts joke about the relatability (or lack thereof) of the ultra-rich ([03:29]).

Binge Culture & The "Traders" TV Recap

• Streaming Model Frustrations: Both mourn the loss of full-season, “binge-watch” releases caused by Netflix’s evolving drop strategy, expressing conflicting feelings due to maternal responsibilities and modern life ([04:30]-[05:23]).
• Weekly Episode Releases: They discuss enjoying communal TV moments versus spoiler pressure and how viewing habits have changed in recent years.

Life Lately: Mahjong, Playpens, and Cardboard Insults

• Mahjong Nights: Recap of a social mahjong outing where, humorously, neither host ("50% of the table") managed to win ([07:03]).
• Playpen Purchase & Minimalist Anxiety: Jackie shares her new purchase of a collapsible playpen for her baby, riffed with Claudia comparing her to an “extreme cheapskate” who loves cardboard, sparking mock-offense and playful cash-flashing ([08:35]-[10:35]).

  "And what about this cardboard man reminds you of me?" – A ([09:04])

Bar/Bat Mitzvah Nostalgia & Parenting Reflections

• Groovy with Reuven: Planning baby Reuven's disco-themed bar mitzvah in advance ("Groovy with Reuven" is their chosen theme) ([11:11]-[11:38]).
• Teen vs. Parental Parties: Debate on how much teens and parents can truly appreciate the big Jewish rites of passage and their often illicit, but mostly innocent, fun ([12:06]).

Change vs. Consistency in Life

• On Routine: Quick introspection on whether change is good or bad, with each host asserting unique comfort levels ([13:28]-[13:53]).
• "Cardboard Koji": The playful episode title emerges as Claudia calls Jackie "Same old Koji. Same old cardboard Koji." ([13:49]).

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Fast Five Stories Breakdown (with Timestamps)

1. Harry Styles Drops “Aperture” and Announces Disco Album ([18:49]–[26:55])

• New Music Critique:
  • Both hosts agree the single “Aperture” is ambitious but “didn’t immediately make me feel like that’s my jam” - A ([20:21]).
  • Song described as long (5 min), “very techno, very dance-like,” not strictly “disco.”
  • Claudia: "The thing about disco, though... those songs immediately hit, hit." ([20:34])
  • Speculation about lyrics—Is "aperture" sexual, or drugs? Conclusion: trippy, not sexual ([21:27]-[21:47]).
• Tour Residencies:
  • Both discuss Harry's new model of “mini-residencies” and note how it reflects a desire for relationship stability.
  • Critique Harry's unconventional press appearances (e.g., John Mayer's SiriusXM show; BBC remote from the same couch).
  • "He's acting like a new mother!" – B ([25:52])
  • Light teasing: Should Harry act less domestic and more like a touring rock star?

2. Ryan Reynolds, Colleen Hoover, and the “It Ends With Us” Scandal ([26:59]–[45:22])

• Ryan Reynolds’ Cringe Email:
  • Full reading and analysis of an earnest–but cringeworthy–congratulatory email to Colleen Hoover ([27:49]).
  • Reflection: “In their writing styles, Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds are quite literally made for one another.” – A ([29:04])
• Who “Stole” the Movie?
  • Dissection of claims that Blake and Ryan took over the film’s production, sidelining director Justin Baldoni.
  • Hosts highlight the difference between egotism and criminal behavior.
  • Nuance: “Nothing Blake Lively has been accused of is criminal. If being annoying was a crime, she would be in prison. And if being insufferable was a crime, she would be in prison. But those are not crimes. Sexual harassment is.” – A ([38:38]–[39:15])
  • Stress on the difference between online consensus (“people don’t like her, so they doubt her claims”) and legal standards of proof.
  • Debate over burden of proof, #BelieveWomen, and the impact of public personalities on credibility ([43:44]–[44:12]).

3. Hayden Panettiere Announces Memoir ([45:22]–[48:38])

• Book Title Not Loved:
  • Both hosts think “This is Me: A Reckoning” is too generic for such a tumultuous story.
• Anticipation and Support:
  • Strong support for supporting Hayden given her struggles with motherhood, postpartum depression, and family tragedy.
  • “Everybody buy her book, even if you don’t know how to read.” – A ([46:18])
  • Hopes for content on Nashville, Raising Helen, Bring It On, and more.

4. Hollywood’s Open Letter Campaign vs. AI ([52:20]–[56:14])

• 700+ Artists Protest Unlicensed AI Use:
  • Core issue: Use of celebrity likeness and copyrighted work by AI without consent or compensation.
  • Scarlett Johansson, Cate Blanchett, Joseph Gordon-Levitt headlines—“If 500 Days of Summer has no fans, I have passed away. But, like, that's the third most famous person on your list? Seriously, good luck." – A ([55:39])
• Open Letter Fatigue:
  • Performative activism is dismissed as “so hard to care. They’re so performative…there’s an open letter and then like a bunch of celebrities sign another open letter…battle of the open letters.” – A ([55:08])
  • Suggestion: try “closed letters” for a change!

5. Kyle Cook & Amanda Batula’s Divorce & Loverboy Financial Drama ([56:57]–[59:43])

• Reality TV Divorce Speculation:
  • Reports claim Amanda might be financially liable for Loverboy debt due to personal loans.
  • Kyle clarifies: business loans don’t necessarily impact spouses unless personal assets are involved.
• Modern Marriage Reflection:
  • Claudia predicts a clean financial split due to lack of merged finances and Amanda’s independent means ([59:15]–[59:30]).

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Queenie & Weenie of the Week (Segment) ([59:46]–[65:13])

Queenies

• Jackie: Bridget from the bar (influencer, cancer survivor) for inspirational spirit and emotional “ringing the bell” during cancer treatment.

  "She finished her treatment and she did the whole Walk with the bell. Whenever I see, like, a bell video, I'm... I'm sat and I'm crying. This one just, like, seriously broke me... Bridget is a queenie, and she happens to be the queenie of my week." – A ([60:15]–[61:09])

• Claudia: Chris Appleton (hairstylist) for his down-to-earth energy, generosity, and willingness to join their on-air fun ([61:15]).

Weenies

• Jackie: Steven from "Tell Me Lies" (character), for diabolical on-screen behavior; criminal of the week!
• Claudia: Brooklyn Beckham & Nicola Peltz for airing family grievances in public, violating “keeping it in the family” etiquette—heavy side-eye for Brooklyn in particular. Discussion includes Alana Hadid chiming in on Nicola’s family estrangements.

  "The weeniness really weighs heavy on Brooklyn’s shoulders…” – A ([64:34])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On FOMO for Billionaires:
  “Us, billionaires—we’re just people. We’re just like you, except, like, happier.” – A ([03:29])
• On Changing TV Consumption:
  “Netflix just sort of ruined my life with that… and now watching one ‘Traders’ episode a week—it's just not gonna work.” – A ([04:30])
• On Open Letter Culture:
  “When I see an open letter, even if I agree with what they’re saying, I don’t agree… They’re so performative, it’s like, battle of the open letters. I prefer the Morgan letters.” – A ([55:08])
• Regarding “It Ends With Us” Drama:
  “Nothing Blake Lively has been accused of is criminal. If being annoying was a crime, she would be in prison… but those are not crimes. Sexual harassment is.” – A ([38:38]–[39:15])
• On Queenies:
  “Bridget is a queenie. And she happens to be the queenie of my week.” – A ([61:09])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro & Friday Mood: [00:03]–[02:29]
• Chris Appleton Hair & Wealth Chat: [01:00]–[03:29]
• Binge TV Discussion: [03:52]–[05:55]
• Personal Updates (Mahjong, Playpen, Cardboard): [06:44]–[11:08]
• Bar Mitzvah/Sweet 16 Nostalgia: [11:11]–[12:41]
• The Fast Five Stories Begin: [18:49]
• Harry Styles New Single: [18:49]–[26:55]
• Ryan Reynolds/Colleen Hoover/It Ends With Us: [26:59]–[45:22]
• Hayden Panettiere Memoir: [45:22]–[48:38]
• Hollywood vs. AI Open Letter: [52:20]–[56:14]
• Kyle Cook/Amanda Batula Divorce: [56:57]–[59:43]
• Queenie & Weenie Segment: [59:46]–[65:13]

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Closing Tone

With trademark snark and insight, Jackie and Claudia guide their audience through the week’s biggest (and silliest) stories. The episode balances pop gossip, personal anecdotes, and genuine reflections on fame, media, and the challenges of modern adulthood—always delivered in “swirly,” breathless Toast style.

For fans and newbies alike, this episode offers a perfect Friday mix: laughs, hot takes, and the best of pop culture’s messy buffet.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast.

[B]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[A]

It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.

[B]

They sound amazing.

[A]

Welcome back to the Toast and happy Friday. Yeah, that's right. It's the end of the week. Does feel a little bit undeserved because it was a short week thanks to Martin Luther King and the wonderful work that he did. So I'm just taking for what it is. I just want to acknowledge I got to work that hard for this Friday.

[B]

Oh, I feel like it feels deserved. Four days is still a lot of days.

[A]

I mean, you're telling me. Should we talk about your slut strands?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

These are Chris Appleton.

[B]

Chris Appleton. Now I can finally wear my hair like this, which is one of my favorite hairstyles, especially on a Friday. As you know, my hairstyles do correlate to the day of the week. And now I'm back with my strands.

[A]

Okay. Streisand.

[B]

Stranberries.

[A]

Totally. We're both, like, rocking our new Chris Appleton haircuts. I heard somewhere. And please, again, I just hear things in comment sections, so always take what I say.

[B]

When she says, I heard somewhere. I learned somewhere. I just found out it's from, like, a comment section.

[A]

Apparently, if you wanted to book Chris Appleton, like, for a haircut, it's a hundred thousand dollars. Like, because not anyone could just do it. So if you just. If you want Chris to, like, come to you, like, randomly, it's 100 grand.

[B]

Or you can start a podcast, work really hard for it at eight years, slay with your sister every single day. Never give up, Never back down. Never gave up on your dreams. He will come through on his book tour as a press stop to this podcast you've been working so hard on. And you can ask him to cut your hair as a bit for free.

[A]

Or you could start a GoFundMe, or.

[B]

You could pay $100,000. Yeah, I don't know. Both are a tall task.

[A]

I just want to say I didn't even style my hair this morning. This is still Chris's blowout. I didn't have any time to, like, put any heat on it. It's looking amazing, and it does feel like a hundred thousand dollar haircut.

[B]

Yeah, you look like a hundred thousand dollars.

[A]

Thanks.

[B]

Which, like, in this day and age. Yeah, it's not even a mil. Like, it's not a compliment.

[A]

Like, yeah, billion bucks. I just feel Like, I won't truly be happy till I have a billion dollars.

[B]

I've heard that, like, the best amount of. Amount of money.

[A]

Like, where have you heard this comment section?

[B]

Probably. Probably. Or like a. Something like to be super wealthy but not like, you know, out of touch and all. More money, the environment. The sweet spot is 200 million. That's what I've heard.

[A]

I don't know. I just don't think I would be happy. Like, I really don't. I feel like I would because you know me, I always worry about money and it's like, no, I think like, 200. I would still be worrying.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. I'm just telling you that's what I've heard because.

[A]

And then I feel like when you have 200 million, you start to run in, like, really fancy circles of people who have like 5, 500 or a billion, and then you just feel poor. Yeah. And I don't want to feel poor.

[B]

Yeah. But I feel like once you get into the billions, like, it's definitely toxic. And I just want to say. And so, you know, I've heard that 200 is a really good amount to have.

[A]

I believe that 200 is a good amount. But I just want to say, like, I happen to know just a few billionaires, okay. And they're wonderful people.

[B]

They seem happy.

[A]

But maybe that's just more so like a reflection on me. Like, I attract really positive billionaires, not.

[B]

The negative, toxic ones.

[A]

Even though I think that, like, billionaires. Billionaires is just a term now for, like, very, very wealthy. And, like, probably a lot of the very wealthy people that I think are billionaires are just like, multi, multi, multi, or 200 millionaires. No, like 500.

[B]

They're very happy with their 200 people.

[A]

You know, people, you guys, us, billionaires, we're just people. We're just like you, except, like, happier. We have an amazing show. It's Friday, so I just feel like the energy is going to be extremely positive. The Traders recap, which now Traders is releasing episodes on a one a week basis, which I do feel like I didn't know that. I do feel like I can maybe start doing Friday rec. You're open to that, but for now it's. I haven't watched.

[B]

We'll have to sync up on Thursday. Last night I was finishing my homework for the redheads. I finished the book we're recording today. So that was my homework last night. But I'm excited to watch Traders. One episode is tough, though, because once I get into it, like, I need.

[A]

More I mean, 100% episode, like, whoever. Netflix ruined TV by, like, giving us the entire season at once. It. We all became so accustomed to this way of, like, binging shows, and now they reverted back to, like, they'll drop, like, five episodes of a new season, and then one a week. One a week. And now everybody copies what Netflix does. So Netflix just sort of ruined my life with that. And now watching. Yeah. One traitor's episode a week, it's just not gonna work.

[B]

Yeah, I. I feel both ways about it. Like, yes, they've ruined us, and now they're, like, you know, subjecting us to withdrawals.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

On the other hand, like, the term binge is never gonna be a healthy thing to do in any sense.

[A]

Yeah. But they started it.

[B]

And, like, when the whole season comes out, it's like, you can't check Twitter in the season until you finish it because, like, there's spoilers everywhere. So I do kind of, like. Like, watching with the people. I'm a woman of the people.

[A]

So am I. But I just feel like my habits as a consumer changed because of Netflix. And now when things are getting released weekly, the pit, like, I'm in hell.

[B]

But as, like, a working mother now, if something was released all at once, I would not have the bandwidth to just, like, sit and binge it. The last time I did that was Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, and that was because I just had a baby. Like, it would be too much pressure. So you know what? The timing works for me in my life. If we go back to one episode a week, though, I like a little bit more, I'll be okay.

[A]

Yeah, they keep.

[B]

They leave you wanting more. That's the point.

[A]

We also have Queenie and Weenie today, and we have stories. And would you be able to describe those stories for me in perhaps three words?

[B]

I can. I could describe it in one word.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Arse. Oh. Stories are.

[A]

So here's three words. It's giving ours.

[B]

It's giving ours, but the stories are.

[A]

Where you make them.

[B]

Yeah. And it's more so, like, rounding out the week, putting a button on certain conversations.

[A]

This really was a crazy week with, like, a lot of crazy week and, like, developing stories.

[B]

Honestly, could not take on another new story.

[A]

It's true. Between the Beckhams, the Baldonis, and the.

[B]

Blakes, we're juggling a lot of stories right now, and we're going to set our balls down by the end of the day today. That's the goal for today's episode. That's the intention. I'm Setting.

[A]

Okay, so you're kind of being intentional.

[B]

I'm being intentional in my authenticity, for sure.

[A]

I don't feel like that's new for you. I think you are constantly showing up here with an intention to be authentic.

[B]

I think that's true. It would be so much energy to be anything but.

[A]

I think we're all authentic.

[B]

I think we are all authentic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

On this stage.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I don't think that's ever really been in question.

[A]

No. We get accused of a lot of things, but being inauthentic is certainly not one of them.

[B]

No. Wouldn't work for us. We do too much kind. And we wouldn't be able to, like, keep our. Oh, yeah. For an hour a day.

[A]

We also did mahjong yesterday. We.

[B]

We did play mahjong, and we went.

[A]

To this, like, busy card room, and everybody was stopping us being like, are those. Oh, my mahjong tiles? It's like, is that the Chanel jacket? The Chanel boots? Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Everyone loved our mat and tiles. They're from. Oh, my mahjong. They're so pary. And it was just really fabulous.

[A]

Neither of us got mahjong, and we were, like, 50% of the table. And so, like, the fact that neither one of us ended up winning was, like, a poor reflection on our family, I think.

[B]

I guess so. But, like, this was my third time playing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm still learning how to be good, you know? And I'm just. I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to be a part of it.

[A]

Yeah. I guess it's more a poor reflection on me. I just sat there the whole time talking about, like, how I've been playing since high school. Meanwhile, I didn't get much, maybe. Shut up. I just learned.

[B]

Sab telling.

[A]

I just learned yesterday. Yeah, I'm pretty good for someone who just learned.

[B]

Wow. She's really good.

[A]

She just learned. Can you believe that? Oh, also, major update in my life. Like, we're officially a playpen household. You know, I meant to send you a picture this morning because it arrived. Of course, I had to get, like, a collapsible one because I'm not about.

[B]

To, like, like, sacrifice your living room.

[A]

It's just not gonna work. But, like, in the recent week or two, we've started to move a lot. You know, moving and grooving. Grooving is grooving and moving.

[B]

Grooving with Reuven.

[A]

And so we would, like, put up pillows all over the room so we didn't, like, roll into a table or Anything. And I was like, I think it's time for these fools. So I got an Amazon, like this collapsible thing that I can, like, take with me when we go back to New York. And it's parchy.

[B]

Are you gonna build it up and break it down every day?

[A]

Of course. That's why I didn't get, like, the one. There's like 300 ones that, like, you set up and you leave.

[B]

It's like a playroom.

[A]

Yeah, this one's like a big ass pack and play that you just, like, you know, you pull it up and then it goes in some closet because, yeah, like, I may not be home, but I still, like, I still care about, like, clutter, things of that nature.

[B]

What I always used to think of that clip of that show. What's that show? I always tell you the guy. Extreme cheapskates. No, but the guy, excuse me, who lives in, like, an apartment, and he won't buy anything.

[A]

What do you mean? I buy so much, and he sits.

[B]

On a cardboard box on the floor.

[A]

That he.

[B]

Repurposes as his table. It's like this one piece of cardboard.

[A]

And what about this cardboard man reminds you of me?

[B]

It's just you, like, you're like a swirlier version of that. But, like, oh, my God, I've sent you the clip before. You were very offended.

[A]

I don't even remember. So I'm getting re. Offended all over again.

[B]

I have to find it.

[A]

No, I don't think that you do. And what about me getting a collapsible pack and play playpen item for my son makes me an extreme cheapskate who lives with one cardboard box?

[B]

Well, the thing. It was even with this guy just like you, it's not, like, just about money. You did mention $300, so it was a little bit about money. It's just about, like, the having of things and, like, things in the room. So he just, like, pushes his card for.

[A]

I'm deeply, deeply offended. Yes, I'm deeply, deeply offended. And I don't relate to this cheapskate. I don't know his name. I don't know him at all. I resent the accusations. I'm an extremely generous person. Here, look.

[B]

Oh, what is she gonna show us? Is that a new bag?

[A]

It's a new bag, a new wallet, and. Yeah, where I keep all my money, because I'm not a cheapskate. Oh, is that What. Oh, here. $100. Would a cheap person do that? Even though I just gave you a hundred dollars, like, for calling me A nasty name. Take it back and give me, you know, Give me that money back, bitch. What am I doing rewarding this wedge. No, Here, Jesse. See? Just to prove I'm not cheap.

[B]

I understand, but I'm not giving it.

[A]

To the girl who just called me cardboard box homeless man.

[B]

No, he has a home. He has a home. He has an apartment. Like, he just likes his box. He doesn't want to buy furniture.

[A]

I just like, I just can't fucking stand you. Okay.

[B]

It was at the having of things.

[A]

Yeah. So I care about clutter. Like, obviously you choose to live in a pigsty. That's fine. Different strokes. Of course. I would never make fun of you or compare you to anyone so derogatorily. Just different strokes, you know, you guys. And so, yes, I got to play pen. That was my major life update. Just kind of huge things happening at my house.

[B]

Well, I'm excited for you. I'm excited for Rayuvan to be Gray even.

[A]

Yeah, he is Gray Uvan. And may even. Me and Ben like, figured out Ruby's bar mitzvah theme like a year, not a year ago, because he's not even a year, but like three months ago. We've not been able to, like, stop planning it. Like, I cannot wait for the affair. Obviously it's going to be disco themed and like the merch and everything is going to say Groovy with Reuven. Because Ruby's like, Hebrew name is Rayuvain. His full name is Reuben. So groovy with Ruben. Or if you're like from the old country, Greyhuven with Reuben.

[B]

I'll be Grayuven with Rayuven.

[A]

And I'm looking forward to seeing you shaking that thing with the dance.

[B]

It's gonna be very Studio 54 Beckham.

[A]

Yes, exactly. I can't wait to see you inappropriate dance.

[B]

I can't wait. That is gonna be a time.

[A]

That was bar mitzvah season.

[B]

As a parent, huh?

[A]

Yeah. Because we thought like, we were crazy when we were 12, like in the photo booth. No, no.

[B]

And I didn't even feel like we were crazy. Like we were having fun, but it.

[A]

Did feel like, illicit. It was like a party.

[B]

A bar mitzvah is like kind of an interesting time. It is the cusp of manhood and womanhood. But, like, as a 12 and 13 year old, you can't really appreciate the party for what it is.

[A]

Like. No. Sweet sixteens are much more like, age.

[B]

Appropriate in terms of being able to appreciate the affair.

[A]

No, like, people like, might have like, been like, smuggling in, like, Wine coolers to a sweet 16. That really wasn't happening at bar mitzvah.

[B]

No, no, no, not at all. That would be really. And I'm sure some people like to drink at bar mitzvahs. That's insane.

[A]

When they're 12, you mean? Yeah, no, that's really. That's too young to start drinking.

[B]

Or 13.

[A]

How did we get here? Oh, my playpen. So, yeah, he's just growing up so.

[B]

Fast and he's gray.

[A]

Gray oven. Yeah. Ruble, what's it with you?

[B]

Not too much. Long night. Long night. Yeah, we had a couple good runs, but it was back. It was back to the three hour window, so that was rough. But we're here. We did it.

[A]

We did.

[B]

I can sleep in tomorrow. So I'm excited about that. And what else? We're recording redheads today, so huge day. Gotta get with my gals.

[A]

Huge day.

[B]

And today's the first day of the new format where I'm not.

[A]

Oh, hands off.

[B]

Where I'm not doing the whole episode. So I'm just sort of showing up to this podcast that's being produced for me. I can't wait.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Hopefully it's still good. Well, they.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

But you know, we're just changing it a little bit.

[A]

Listen, change is good.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

I. I don't.

[B]

You don't?

[A]

No. I'm really like an anti change person.

[B]

You are? Have you become more or less?

[A]

Well, my life has changed, like by design.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's been wonderful, so.

[B]

But has that made you, like, more?

[A]

But I also feel like my life hasn't changed. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm so me.

[B]

You're still same old Koji.

[A]

Same old carbard. Koji.

[B]

Title.

[A]

Cardboard Go Cheese corner.

[B]

I have to find the clip for you. I think you'll really find it funny. Like, it's really not offensive. He's on tv.

[A]

It's so true. He's more famous than us.

[B]

Okay, without further ado. Da doo da do. It is time for the Fast 5 stories that you do need to know.

[A]

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Thank you codetart yet welcome our first story. In no particular order, in no order of importance, Harry Styles drops his first new single in nearly three years with with Aperture. Not to be confused with Apata.

[A]

Also not to be confused because again, the song was in a circle and I was thinking rapture. I could not find the beginning of the word.

[B]

Turapair.

[A]

Correct. Literally Tupperware.

[B]

It's Aperture. So it's his first song from his new disco album. I heard it was like very techno, very dance like. So I was so excited to listen on my commute because I am a techno girl now. I didn't enjoy it, I didn't finish it. What did you think?

[A]

So it was five minutes long, which I just think is like a crazy length for a song.

[B]

Long intro, it did lots of synth.

[A]

I just think it's a big length for a song. And if you are gonna cross like the four minute mark these days songs are literally two minutes and 30 seconds. I hate that. I feel like the sweet spot is like 3:30. If you're gonna go above 4:30, it.

[B]

Has to be like all too, well, 10 minutes.

[A]

Like a hall of fame type rhapsody. Exactly. This is not that. And I do feel like it's a new sound. And I don't like to make a judgment on like a new sound. I've only listened to it once. Ask me on Monday.

[B]

That's fair. You can't judge a new sound. It takes a minute to get used to. But also, you can't break the mold.

[A]

And expect people to get it. It's literally Nicki Minaj. You're not gonna get the song the first time you hear it.

[B]

And we need people making new sounds. Like that's what a great artist would do. Yeah. So I will give him Runway. I agree with you on that.

[A]

I'm not making any sort of decree as to, like, it being terrible or being bad. It's different. Which is, you know, we should embrace different.

[B]

But it didn't immediately, like, make me feel like that's my jam. Turn it up.

[A]

Especially because, like, he said it Was like a disco album. Like, disco does have, like, a specific sound. Like, disco already exists. So it didn't. It was like new disco. I don't know.

[B]

I just want to say the thing about disco, though. Like, those songs immediately hit, hit. So again, I'll leave space for a new sound. Some of the lyrics, it seems he's talking about his lady love. Perhaps he said it's best. You know what you don't. Aperture. Let's let the light in now. Of course aperture lets the light in.

[A]

I didn't even.

[B]

Which refers to a camera's aperture. So controls how much of an image is visible to the photographer and affects the brightness and depth of the field of the image.

[A]

Right. So I didn't even listen to the lyrics because I was just, like, listening to the sound. But I didn't know that. Like, I wouldn't get it because I don't even know what the word aperture means. So it means an opening, hole, or gap. Okay. Hole. Do you think it's, like, sexual?

[B]

No, it's something about, like.

[A]

Or a space through which light passes in an optical or photographic instrument, especially the variable opening by which light enters a camera.

[B]

It's not sexual. It's drugs. You know, like drugs.

[A]

I thought it was like, media.

[B]

Trippy. It's like trippy stuff.

[A]

Oh, it was giving media.

[B]

It's giving like Sharon, you know, so.

[A]

It'S not giving media.

[B]

It's giving, like, light reflection, hallucination.

[A]

Oh, so you think him and Zoe are doing drugs?

[B]

No, it's just like. Yeah, you know, sort of like that foggy. You can't see, don't you know?

[A]

Yeah. And then he also announced a couple of residencies. Like mini residencies. We knew he was going to be doing it, so.

[B]

Toast coated.

[A]

Oh, my God. Like, I'm telling you, he's creating stability.

[B]

That was all right. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

That's actually a really good sign for him and Zoe. Like, the fact that he's, like, touring in this unique and different way so we can spend more time in one place, like with his lady lot and post up now. He announced it with a bunch of. It was like a carousel poster for London and then a picture of two people kissing. Poster. Poster of whatever. Amsterdam, and a picture of two people kissing. And it was like this, like, you know, very raw, like, unedited, like, sexy rape. Did you not see them?

[B]

So I saw some people kissing. I didn't realize. I didn't watch the whole carousel.

[A]

Yeah. And it was just like new pictures every time. And it was like. I Don't know what that, like, aesthetic is called where it's like no airbrush, like, sweaty, like rave make out. Like, and it was just like, not graphic because it's like everyone's clothed in kissing. It was just like a lot of tongue.

[B]

Okay, let's see Harry sty. Oh, yeah, Graphic.

[A]

Keep going.

[B]

Oh, I feel safe when I'm on.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

On the tour.

[A]

I just, like, don't understand. Yeah, right. Tongue.

[B]

Okay. Safe.

[A]

I don't really understand, like, the aesthetics so far of this album. Like, it doesn't feel sexual drugs.

[B]

It's sexual drugs. That's drug.

[A]

Those pictures are sexual drugs. Yeah.

[B]

I think it's sex drugs and Harry Styles. Yeah. And I would say rock and roll, but techno. Disco.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Discotheque.

[A]

Yeah. So, like, I hate to be negative because, like, that's my king right there. And he's always welcome, of course, in my home. But, like, it's not giving, like, what I was, like, looking for. But at least it's different, you know, I do respect when people, like, try new things.

[B]

The sound is different, but, like everything, you know, the kissing, the up close kissing, like. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So cool. Wow. I love to see your tongue.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel really.

[A]

But happy for everyone who's gonna get chose. Like, they don't have to come to New York.

[B]

Yeah. You know what?

[A]

Do not come. Like, we don't need all these people coming.

[B]

You know, we always knew he would, like, do stuff out of New York, but it's also cool that he's like, posting up in whatever location. Like, it's very toast coded. We've always said if we ever did a tour, that's how we would do it.

[A]

He's also doing, like a little bit of press. Like, very unique choices. Like, he went on. You know, John mayer has a SiriusXM show. I think it's on radio. Andy. And so Harry interviewed him. Excuse me. He interviewed Harry, like, talking about music and stuff. And then he went on some. I think it was like BBC Radio. And I was really appreciative that this person sort of followed up full circle, asking Harry why he was at the Pope's. Remember when they announced the new Pope and everybody like, ranch.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Harry was spotted there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He was like, I was in Rome and I was getting a haircut, and I'm getting my haircut and people start screaming and what? They've elected a new Pope. But in Italian, thank you. And he was saying, la papa, whatever. Everyone's screaming it and the hairstylist is screaming it. They finish up his haircut really quickly because a guy wants to go. It's like a historic thing. And Harry was like, well, I was there and, you know, it was like a big deal.

[B]

So I went, oh, cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I wonder what other shows he'll do. So far, the ones that you said seem congress with someone who's like, focused on the music. And then I do feel like if you want to get in the podcast gaming, you're focused on the music. Like, you talk to Jake Shane.

[A]

I know, but he's also. Harry was remote from ever. Like, he. Harry's like, I'm telling you, he's really happy in his relationship. He's doing John Mayer. He was sitting on some green couch, and he was sitting on the same couch with, like wired headphones in, like, very low budget production for the other radio show. He's not. He's not wanting to move.

[B]

He's not like, thirsting out doing a press tour. But I just want to say, like. And I like. I like choosing stability. But, like, you could go. Like, he could go.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

No, like, he's acting like he's a.

[A]

You're supposed to be a provider, like, get up and go to work.

[B]

Yeah. Like, he's acting like us. Who? A new mama.

[A]

At first, I think he said Malala. I'm like, okay, leave Malala out of this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So he's acting like a new mother.

[B]

And so I could say, like, maybe him and Zoe, like, are expecting or something. But, like, you could still go in person.

[A]

Yeah. No, and it's also like, at some point, like, leave your house. You are a man. You are here to provide.

[B]

He's acting like us.

[A]

He's acting like us.

[B]

Like, even the. The residency thing.

[A]

Yeah. And we do those things, like, to be comfortable and like, work, life, balance, be near our kids.

[B]

Like, like, as like new mamas, pregnant ladies, postpartum women.

[A]

Yeah, we're allowed to do that. Like, you kind of like men used to go to war, you know, you.

[B]

Could go see John Mayer in person.

[A]

I wonder if he'll do, like, any press outside, like, off his couch.

[B]

I hope so.

[A]

Yeah. And maybe he doesn't want to travel. So if Jake Shane goes abroad, everyone, like, we know why, but maybe he wants to, like, stay. He's in the uk, but, like, there's lots.

[B]

But I also.

[A]

Graham Norton.

[B]

Graham Norton. Yeah. I also feel like if he were gonna do Jake Shane, like, it would kind of be already happening.

[A]

Recorded, maybe.

[B]

Maybe it's coming out or like this week. You know what I mean, yeah. We'll see. We shall see. Are you ready for our next story?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We done trashing Harry Styles for the day?

[A]

I think so.

[B]

I feel good. I feel all set.

[A]

It feels right.

[B]

Next, Ryan Reynolds is torched by fans over his cringe email he allegedly sent to. It ends with us author Colleen Hoover.

[A]

There's so much. Every day we stop recording and there's more.

[B]

I don't even know which one to pick on a given day, but this just. Just feels like covers a lot of areas. So Ryan Reynolds correspondences are also being shared. He wrote, and I want to say.

[A]

Shout out to Dumois because there's so much stuff. I'm sorry, I'm not reading court documents. It's just, like, not what I want to do with my life. I didn't go to law school. Like, this is not my plate. But Dumont is finding the relevant media and she's then making graphics on her Instagram and, like, transcribing them. And they just feel like the text is bigger and it's like, I don't know why. It feels more palatable to me. So if you're wanting to, I need.

[B]

It to be editorialized a little bit.

[A]

Yes. And I think Dumas is actually doing a very good job.

[B]

I agree. So let's get into the email that Ryan Reynolds wrote to Colleen Hoover. I'm sending you literally every form of congratulations. I. I see this sky while jumping up and down and rapidly, happily clapping. At one point, I was three feet from you at the after party, but I wasn't able to extricate myself from the so nice studio's chairman's mouth. I'm still in here and I'm a little shocked I have service this. Holy. You guys really pulled it off. Like Colleen, this thing is on fire everywhere. And audiences have wrapped both arms around the film. You and B made something gorgeous out of ingredients you didn't ask for. Which is what makes you both in this whole post production team so clutch. I heard you guys got a tummy bug and you're stuck in New York. I can't think of anything worse. Although it might be your body ridding itself of any residual Baldoni. I'd rather be puking in a gulag than hijacking performative feminism while practicing personal growth cases catchphrases in the mirror. I hope you're taking a moment to enjoy this. I know the road wasn't always easy and clear. What a complete win this is. I know we all breathe rare air. I realize how lucky we are. But I also know how genuinely good you and B are. I could literally write you 84 more paragraphs eulogizing what this all means to me. But mainly I'm just incredibly proud and inspired by you and B.

[A]

So, like, just in their writing styles, Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds are quite literally made for one another. Like, there are not two people, like, more weird, like, in their verbose. Verbose, cringy. I kind of feel like Drew Barrymore interviews people and, like, touch his faces. Like, I feel like they're touching faces. Blankly. Help me with the word written writtenly. Like, what's the word?

[B]

Transcribally.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's the word?

[A]

Like, orally, Audibly, but, like, for writing.

[B]

Literally.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Probably now it's very. You know, what Blake and Ryan have been accused of from the very beginning is like, taking over this movie. And I feel like all the media that's been released, text messages, emails, screenshots, whatever, like, has sort of proved that. Right. Like, Blake thinks that, like, this no good first time director was not in K, was not capable of a movie this size. And she took it over. Her edit made the theater. So, like, they did successfully sort of take it over. And I guess that's bad because, like, it's mean, but it's like, not a crime.

[B]

I think the issue was about the second movie. Like, they took over this movie and then I think they were gonna try and like take the second one from him in. Because also his character doesn't really, like, exist in this.

[A]

It's. He's like a very subplot.

[B]

So I think he felt like he had put everything he had, like, buying the rights and producing the movie and they, like, were gonna cut him out of it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And now, like, it's just funny because there will be no second.

[A]

Right.

[B]

There never could be a second movie.

[A]

No. And I. If I'm like, if I'm trying to be like, like see things from Justin Paldoni's perspective, like, that sucks. Like, this was his idea. He bought the rights from Colleen. Like, he saw it before anyone else did. And he, like, probably was excited to cast Blake Lively, like this huge star. And her and her big time husband, like, ended up like, steamrolling the whole thing.

[B]

And it just, it could have gone on to be like a huge franchise a la Twilight. It's this beloved book. The movie was Star Sequel. There is a sequel. You could keep it going. And, like, like they were taking that from him. This would have been his big payday.

[A]

Now, how that has any legal or criminal bearings Like, I don't know why we're talking about this in court. It just seems like sort of like schoolyard. Like. Okay, yes. And I feel like it has been proven they stole the movie. They were probably difficult to work with. The whole thing that got us here is sexual harassment. Like, so I don't really understand. And this is. Yeah, I'm not reading the court documents, so maybe if I read every single page, I would understand. I'm not really understanding what them taking over the movie has to do with the allegations of sexual harassment and like onset inappropriate behavior has. Because one of those is. That is a crime. Like he is being accused of a crime.

[B]

I think that he said they took over his movie and then I think their rebuttal is like, well, you know, in addition to incompetence, there was on set inappropriate behavior.

[A]

So I know what it is actually. What it is is that.

[B]

Wait, like, I think they're. They pushed him. They're saying they pushed him out of the movie because he was in. In addition to incompetence, which we see like inappropriate behavior with Blake, with other people, sexual harassment. So yeah, we kind of pushed you out of your movie.

[A]

And so as far as I know, based on everything I've seen so far, like, it hasn't been disproven that he didn't sexually harass.

[B]

Well, it hasn't been proven.

[A]

Well, they deposed his. Blake Lively's driver who said like she would. He witnessed like a really uncomfortable conversation in Blake's car about like him having non consensual sex. And he said that he would after that, didn't feel comfortable leaving Blake alone with, with this guy. Jenny Slate, the podcast host, said lots of red like there. It has not been disproven and allegations have been made by like a couple people now.

[B]

Right. But I think you have to prove something. Like it's not about.

[A]

No, I think it's the opposite. You have to prove that it didn't happen. Right. He's like countersuing. He's countersuing.

[B]

I think. No, but I just think in general you have to prove that like it's you. The burden on of proof is on like the. A person making an allegation.

[A]

Yeah, but is she making an allegation like in court or just like in.

[B]

The public or just in the New York Times?

[A]

She filed like an employment suit.

[B]

There's a lot.

[A]

Right. So all I know is like, I don't know, I'm. No one wants to hear what I have to say. But like, I'm not like.

[B]

Where is the.

[A]

Where is the actual proof that Blake Lively wasn't sexually harassed and that she made it up? Like, where's that?

[B]

Well, that you can't, like, prove a negative, right?

[A]

But there is supporting evidence that he did. There's, like, the wit. The driver's the witness. Like, that stuff isn't getting blown up. Like, of course the Taylor Swift thing is getting blown up. But there was a deposition with her driver who said he witnessed, like, a. Definitely an inappropriate conversation. There was a voice memo when he was like, I'm sure your baby's laying on your breasts right now. Like, weird things you, boss, should never say to you. The young girl who said the inappropriate comment about her losing her virginity, Jenny Slate. Like, so what? So how does everybody know Blake Lively's making this up? Like, what piece of information am I missing?

[B]

I don't.

[A]

They don't like her. She's annoying. And her and her husband stole the movie. Facts, right? That's facts. Now, what does that have to do with sexual harassment? And, like, because she stole a movie, she's lying. Like, I'm genuinely asking, like, it's. It's generally been decided that Blake Lively made all this up. I don't. Like, that's what the Internet believes.

[B]

I. Okay, I can't go by the Internet. I'm just going, like. And also, like, the most strange people have takes on it. I don't, like, really read stuff about it by crazy people. So I'm just, like, going based on what I'm seeing. So I think, like, all of these things happened.

[A]

Yes. Stealing a movie isn't a crime creatively. And I also would love to know, like, why the Sony people went with Blake's movie, which was allegedly worse.

[B]

Also, then there's other documents that, like, show Sony sex. Like, kind of talking about Blake.

[A]

Right. And also, I don't know, like, that. Yeah, she's like, a big, bigger star. I don't know if they would, like, throw a whole movie away to appease this one person. Like, if her. If her version was so bad.

[B]

Well, her version is what you saw, so.

[A]

And I thought it was good.

[B]

So it wasn't so bad.

[A]

And it was a successful movie. It made over 100 million.

[B]

It was a real movie. Right.

[A]

But it tested worse. And I know those focus groups, like, are people. You don't live and die by the focus group. I think, like, you're supposed to, like, take it into account, but it's not like, yeah, it's not the end all be all. But, yeah, like, all this all these documents, like, her and Ryan. And if Ryan wasn't even hired, like, girl, get out of here. Like, they stole the movie. They hated Justin. It seems like they hated Justin because Blake felt like he was, of course, incompetent, but also inappropriate.

[B]

Yeah. But I will say, like, in these things that we're seeing, like, it's more so about hating him as a person. Yes. It's not like I feel so much like they say it was the nightmare to work with him. Cause he's this fake feminist and he's so obnoxious and whatever.

[A]

Narcissist.

[B]

There's not a lot of references to the harassment. Yes. Not that there has to be all the time.

[A]

No. But you're right.

[B]

It does seem to be more about, like, the personality clashes.

[A]

Yes. And her dislike disliking him just for that other. Not because of.

[B]

And, like, the hubris and ego of him.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I think all. Everything that everyone said happened, so can we just let it all go? You're all wrong.

[A]

Yeah. Except that, like, if everything that everybody said happened, happened, they're not the same. Like, her and Ryan stealing a movie because they think they're big stars and they're probably insufferable. Like, egotists is not the same as, like, your boss sexually harassing you.

[B]

You.

[A]

So I feel like people are treating both things as equal, and they're not.

[B]

Yeah. Like, inappropriate comments is what we've seen. Yeah.

[A]

He's being accused of sexual harassment. Walking in on her with the boobs out, breastfeeding. Like, you know all those things.

[B]

Didn't she tell, like.

[A]

Yeah, but if you tell someone to walk, like, you can come see me breastfeeding one time. That's not a free pass.

[B]

We know that.

[A]

Yes, I know that. And I've only recently realized that because it did happen to me where I was like, someone, like, saw me breastfeeding once, and then, like, every time I was breastfeeding, they kept coming in. I'm like, well, no, we know.

[B]

Like, but so, you know, everything is.

[A]

Like, no, but so Blake's allowed to feel some type of way about that.

[B]

Yeah. But he. He's. Let's. Be like, wait, I thought it was okay.

[A]

If it was. If that was, like, the one thing. Like, sure. But, like, it seems like there's a lot of uncomfortable situations from this one person. But then again, it's also, like, a movie about uncomfortable things. And, like, having a man direct all these women is already, like, a little. It's like, girl, get out of here. You also the star. Like, so it can. It can be uncomfortable no matter what.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know. I'm just like, I'm not ready to hop. Hop off yet. I'm not ready to, like, jump down Blake Lively's throat. Like, she's annoying. She's cringy. Her and her husband, like, definitely think that their. Doesn't sink. They could do whatever they want, and they almost got away with it. Yeah. All of those things. Yes. There's also other stuff that I think is, like, bigger.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. It's just in these filings. At least right now. Like, what we're. See, they keep alluding to, like, the.

[A]

Nightmare on the thing. Yeah.

[B]

Working with him was a nightmare. I can't even. This is all post production. We're not getting a lot of production stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Maybe that will come in his defense. Like, he'll put forth those things as we get closer to trial to defend himself. Like, there wasn't. I didn't do anything wrong. But they keep talking about what happened on set without telling us in a vague way. Yeah. Just in, like, a. In past tense.

[A]

Yeah. And maybe I'll feel differently. I just feel. I kind of feel, like, a little crazy. Like, everybody's, like, hates my takes, and I'm just like. I don't know. I feel like. And I. And I read a lot, and I. I, I watch, like, a lot of tick tocks and mostly from people who don't, like, who are Team Baldoni.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I don't know. I just don't find it compelling.

[B]

I.

[A]

And I'm not just, like, blind. I know I'm not just, like, digging. I'm not gonna care about these people. I'm not even a huge black Lively fan. I'm not a Justin Baldoni fan. Like, I'm not digging my boots in just because, like, I this whole time, said that I hate Justin Baldoni. And, like, I don't want to be wrong. If. If I really felt like my opinion changed, I would say it, like, and it would be, like, a whole thing. I. I'm not. Maybe I'll get there. But, like, I don't know. The more I read, I'm like, okay, nothing Blake Lively has been accused of, like, is criminal. If being annoying was a crime, she would be in prison. And if being insufferable was a crime, she would be in prison. But, like, those are not crimes. Sexual harassment is.

[B]

And I just feel like she stole a movie. Stealing is a crime.

[A]

No, it's not like creatively stealing. Steamrolling over someone is not a crime. And I feel like there's so much that's come out. And of course, like, the big headlines are the Taylor Swift and cringe text messages, but there are also things like, like the deposition of her chauffeur that, like, nobody's talking about because it does sort of support her claim.

[B]

When was that?

[A]

When was what?

[B]

The deposition.

[A]

It's in all these filings. I don't know when he was deposed.

[B]

Yeah. Also, I saw stuff yesterday, more about the birthing scene, which has always bothered me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like an uncomfortable set.

[A]

Actually, I. Whenever I think about, like, that, I think it's crazy that he said his wife gave birth naked. Like, how you can give birth without a bra is.

[B]

And in a hospital. I've never heard of. Like, but people who do home births and, like, give birth. Yeah. Give birth naked, but I've never heard of in a hospital.

[A]

So that's just, like, a fun fact. Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

[B]

Yeah. So that's like, I don't like that. It's icky and yucky, but, like, not a crime.

[A]

No. And the movie really does deal with, like, such sensitive topics that there was never going to be a world in which, like, nobody felt uncomfortable at all. So I do think some of the things you can chalk up to, like, it being just a really sensitive movie covering a lot of sensitive topics. But I don't know. Yeah, I just feel like the big storyline about, like, Blake being annoying and cringe and like, like a celebrity. What else do you expect from these, like, egotistical people who have their whole lives been told how amazing they are? Like, she's definitely difficult to work with. Why that is a bigger headline than, like, all of the weird things Justin Baldoni is.

[B]

Well, I don't think headlines can keep, like, there so many headlines.

[A]

That's what's like. Like, that's what I see.

[B]

Like, the takeaway.

[A]

That's what everyone's clipping is the.

[B]

Well, at least right now it's all her correspondences. So, yes, like, that's what everyone's really focusing on. Plus, with Taylor, like, that's always going to be the biggest.

[A]

Of course. Of course.

[B]

No, everyone wants to hear what Taylor said more than the driver.

[A]

Of course. But, like, the driver is more pertinent to the case than Taylor.

[B]

But I also imagine that. Well, also, like, Taylor was really involved.

[A]

And by the way, did you see.

[B]

Where and when they.

[A]

The correspondence where Blake wrote. You've like, thank you so much. You were amazing.

[B]

Another movie from the graveyard.

[A]

This will be the second movie you pulled out of a grave. What's the first?

[B]

No, and, like, what? And so when. A year ago or whatever, when he said, like, Taylor and Blake, like, conspired.

[A]

To take my movie from me, he sounded crazy.

[B]

He did. And she said, I'll release my dragons. They could be your dragons on my team. Like, he's talking about this. Like, they kind of did.

[A]

Yeah. Yes, definitely.

[B]

And that's crazy. And that's just, like, for me, that's tea.

[A]

Exactly. Like, this is, like, legal tea, though.

[B]

No, but it's like, that's tea. I don't know why you all are in court.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I've said this for a while now. They need to meet, the two of them. They are destroying each other and themselves, and they need to just say. And walk away from this.

[A]

That's so funny. I don't feel like Justin Baldon is being destroyed. I think there was a moment in time when she first released in that whole New York Times thing where he was on the brink of destruction. Like, he was basically there, and he fought back tooth and nail. And I think it's pretty overwhelmingly bad for Blake. And now Justin, I feel like he's been vindicated.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That's just how I feel based on public perception. And what ends up happening in court, like, might not even change that, what.

[B]

You just said, but it proves why he had to fight tooth and nail and do all of this. Because, like, he. When that New York Times thing came over. Goodbye, Justin Baldoni.

[A]

No, it's insane how quickly and how drastically it went from one extreme to the other.

[B]

Yeah. And don't forget, like, the summer of hating Blake Lively.

[A]

Yes. And then. Wow. It's been. It's been such a long time, because this was last.

[B]

Last year, it was the other.

[A]

And then in December, she did her big thing and almost, you know, almost won, and he did not give up. And now we're over a year later, not even in court yet. Yeah. It's been a long time. It's been a long time coming.

[B]

So. Yeah. It's a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I understand it's emotional.

[A]

Like, and if someone could just explain to me, like, how they know Blake Lively's lying, like, about the sexual harassment. Like, what?

[B]

It's not that they know that she's lying. They just don't. She has yet to prove it.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

That's all, I think.

[A]

Okay. And so we're just not. We just don't believe. I thought we were Believing women, Like, I thought that was the party line.

[B]

Well, it depends on the woman who you are.

[A]

And I think it also depends on the woman, like, okay, the woman's annoying and the women for other.

[B]

For other, you know, small pea brained people.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But I'm saying in general, like, here, like, yes, we, we shall endeavor to believe women, but you have to prove something as well.

[A]

Right. And so because she stole a movie, maybe that makes her a less believable victim. Is that I'm, I'm genuinely just trying to understand.

[B]

I can't get into the mind of a pea brain.

[A]

No, not even a pea brain. Somebody smart who, like, is Justin Baldoni believes. You don't believe Blake Lively was sexually harassed because she stole a movie and she's like a. Is that why, like, bitches can't be harassed?

[B]

I'm, I can't answer this question. I'm just curious on behalf of people that I don't agree with.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I don't listen to their takes on tick tock, so I actually, No, I do.

[A]

And like, the whole thing is like, well, look, look at, like, look at what's happened this week. What that has to do with sexual harassment? I'm not sure.

[B]

Not a lot has happened to do a sexual harassment this week, though.

[A]

No, but it has been proven that her and her husband stole the movie. Like, he was getting involved. It's not his movie. They were using their big A list, money connects powers. Even him saying, look, I was in the mouth of a Sony exec. Everybody in Hollyw up until recently, like, ate their ass. So they used all their powers to steal a movie from someone they didn't think was capable of doing it. Yes, that has been proven.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I personally would like to focus on, like, the crimes more so than the movie stealing.

[B]

Our next story, some memoir news. Hayden Panetier is getting the memoir treatment. She's revealed the COVID of her new memoir, not called Memoirs of a Hayden. It is called this is Me a Reckoning.

[A]

Okay. I will never say anything bad about Hayden Panettiere. Like, she deserves all of our love and support. It is a bad memoir name. As somebody who just like, for a living criticizes memoirs names, that is the.

[B]

Best part of our job. I would say. My criticism with this memoir name is that it could be anyone's memoir name.

[A]

Yeah. Right.

[B]

This is me.

[A]

Right?

[B]

A Reckoning.

[A]

It could be Kayala Settles. It should be Kayala settles 1000%.

[B]

But who's the last person that we said was writing their memoirs? Like, I know. And this is me. So I would have loved something else.

[A]

Now getting past. Because we're not supposed to judge a book by its cover nor its title. I don't think there's somebody more poised to write.

[B]

She's an amazing, banging memoir.

[A]

I mean, let alone her, like, prolific child acting career. And she almost made it out of, like, the. That trope of child actors. She was doing quite well until she had a baby. And I think that really sent her into, like, a very rare but. But not spoken about, like, enough case of, like, true postpartum psychosis, like, postpartum depression. She had to give up custody of her daughter, like, and then she had, you know, terrible things happen in her family separately from that. So it's really sad what's happened to Hayden Paneteria. And I feel like the way everybody feels about, like, Amanda Bynes, like, where we just, like, want to route. Like, Hayden Pantier doesn't get enough love because she's really not in the public eye. Like, she. She's taken a step back, but, like, she deserves all the love. Like, everybody buy her book, even if you don't know how to read.

[B]

I will be reading it. It's due this spring. I'm gonna read it.

[A]

I really hope she talks about raising my.

[B]

I hope she talks about Nashville.

[A]

Okay, so, like, where we're staying has, like, this TV that has, like, Samsung tv. Plus, I told you, that's where I found the Martha Stewart show. And it has the most.

[B]

Does my frame have Martha Stewart Show? That's my Samsung.

[A]

Yeah, but, like, this tv, whenever you turn on, just takes. You know how, like, in New York, you put on your TV, it takes you to New York 1. This takes you to Samsung TV or whatever.

[B]

Takes me to the weirdest channel. But aunt. Yes, I understand.

[A]

And so they're always playing the most random stuff. Last night, they were playing Nashville, and it was. I forgot that girl Scarlett. Oh, she was so annoying.

[B]

Oh, she was. But she was. She wouldn't even remember she was the whole show.

[A]

When I turned it on, she was, like, singing around on some stage, and I was. Now I remember why I stopped watching the show. Like, she literally ruined it.

[B]

Speaking of Nashville, Scarlet and Gunner and she, like, wouldn't take him back, even though they were meant to be together.

[A]

Gunner was there, too.

[B]

Gunner. He's cute.

[A]

He was sweet.

[B]

He always comes through our red carpet.

[A]

There's. There are so many things that Hayden Panettiere, like, needs to touch on.

[B]

Well, yeah, so she was in. Remember the Titans. She was on some soap operas. Like One Life to Live. She was on Heroes, Raising Helen Scream movie.

[A]

Wait, one more.

[B]

Bring it on.

[A]

Bring it on with Solange Knowles.

[B]

Bring it On. All or Nothing.

[A]

Where she learned to crump.

[B]

So good. So, so good. So, yeah, that's out this spring. Get your TBRS ready.

[A]

Who's publishing it?

[B]

Like, just Grand Central Publishing and Imprint. We all know that word from.

[A]

Yes, yes.

[B]

I watched Younger of Hatchet Book Group.

[A]

Okay, let's go.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

Like, I don't think often about Hayden Panettiere, so if you would have asked me, like, who. Which celebrity would write the best memoir? She wouldn't even come to mind. But she's really. She's up there with the greats. Yeah. I think this will be a great book. Book.

[B]

I think so, too. Our next. And you know, and memoirs don't have to be held back by their titles. Like, even if you think of our favorite celebrity memoir, Jessica Simpson.

[A]

Open book.

[B]

Open book. That could also be anyone.

[A]

It's generic.

[B]

It wasn't like chicken of the books, you know, tuna of the book.

[A]

Tuna of the. The literary aisle of the sea. Did you see, like, her theme song?

[B]

No.

[A]

Because we talked about them doing a partnership, right? And so she's like. And we literally said, bring back jingles. She made a jingle for them.

[B]

Oh, I have to go see.

[A]

Yeah, it was cute.

[B]

Okay, are you ready for our next story?

[A]

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[B]

T Our next story. Scarlett Johansson, Cate Blanchett and Joseph Gordon Levitt are among 700 industry backers of a new anti AI campaign.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

More than 700 artists, writers and creators, including the three people I just named, have united behind a new anti AI campaign calling out the tech companies exploiting copyrighted work without permission. While lawmakers on both sides of the Atlantic are weighing new regulations around AI training data, the campaign argues that stealing our work is not innovation, it's not progress, it's theft, plain and simple.

[A]

How are they stealing their work?

[B]

They use, you know, their name and likeness and stuff and also like sounds and.

[A]

Well, Johansson had that crazy saga where like an AI company that has like a, like a Siri type of voice, guy was using her voice, which is illegal. And I do too.

[B]

That's a big one.

[A]

They were found guilty. Like, I feel like this is confusing because our like the law is pretty clear like on copyright and stuff. So if any AI companies is using any of these celebrities name and likeness without their consent, like, that is illegal and they are entitled to compensation, I think. Are they taking a stance against AI in general or just AI, like skirting the law?

[B]

AI skirting the law in terms of using copyrighted material. Like, I imagine like using, you know, a scene from a film and putting someone else's face on it. Like stuff like that.

[A]

Like, yes, I remember Chat just recently they had like a, you know, they have like a different. They own a thing called Soma or whatever.

[B]

Oh, the video one.

[A]

Yeah, Sora. Sora, right. And they were using like a lot of movies and like Jake Paul's face and, and yes, that.

[B]

So that would be like. I think that's among the things that they're talking about and I think that they are fighting for like more licensing basically to get paid for like AI as they should, sorts of things as opposed to not using it at all.

[A]

Got it. So they don't really inherently have an issue with AI. It's more so I don't think you.

[B]

Can like fight AI happening.

[A]

Right? So this is just kind of like a niche issue for them. It's hard for me to personally care about like Scarlett Johansson not getting more money and. But like, even though like, I believe that she's right and like, sorry that.

[B]

Happened to you and like they weren't mad when robots were taking other jobs, right.

[A]

Of like coal miners. So like, again, that doesn't mean that Their cause is wrong.

[B]

Robots could my pole.

[A]

Coal mine.

[B]

Mine the coals.

[A]

Right. Like, sorry. Agreed. Good luck with that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Ttyl.

[B]

You know, everyone's got their own battle to fight.

[A]

And I just want to say one thing.

[B]

Open ladders.

[A]

Effective question mark.

[B]

I don't think so. And I think I. I'm personally open letter fatigued. And when I. So performative, when I see an open letter, even if I agree with what they're saying, I don't agree. Like, I. It's not that I disagree with writing an open letter. You know, say what you want, do.

[A]

What you want, read about the press.

[B]

I just.

[A]

It's really hard for me to care. Like, they're so performative, and it's like, there's an open letter, and then like, a bunch of celebrities sound like an opposing open letter. And it's like, battle of the open letters. And it's like, you know what? I prefer the Morgan letters.

[B]

I do prefer the Morgan ladder.

[A]

Yeah. So. So good luck with that.

[B]

And it's really just about numbers because they say these three people and then 700 others.

[A]

And I want to talk about these three people. Obviously you lead with Scarlett Johansson. It's like, wow, who is the second?

[B]

Cate Blanchett? You know, then we get to Joseph Gordon Levitt.

[A]

And I love Joseph Gordon Levitt. If 500 days of summer has no fans, I've passed away. But, like, that's the third most famous person on your list. Like, seriously, good luck.

[B]

No. And also, some of these open letters, I mean, this is like, whatever Hollywood stuff, but some of these open letters will be like 600 scientists said. And it's like someone who's in eighth grade science class, and it's the eighth grader.

[A]

They use a lot of big, like, generalization.

[B]

Yeah. So, you know, you really have to really look at the list of signatories.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm just like.

[B]

And I don't want to look at.

[A]

The list of signories. No. I'm just over open letter culture.

[B]

I agree. And I agree.

[A]

You know, and let me ask you this. So a closed letter is like the mail.

[B]

Like, I think a closed letter is like. Yes. You don't.

[A]

The public doesn't know that, like, you sent this letter to the AI companies.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why don't people try closed letters? Like, I'm just like, try something new.

[B]

Yeah. I think people like, a, you know, an open letter is a great way to get your name out. It's so true.

[A]

Because when they do.

[B]

Great way to, like, generate, press for.

[A]

Yourself, send out an open letter. It only almost always comes with like a press release.

[B]

Yeah. And then, like, you look cause driven, Your name is in the press and you didn't really have to, like, do that much. And it looks like you care about something.

[A]

Slay the house down Boots, Scarlett.

[B]

Yeah. Our fifth and final story. Kyle Cook is addressing potential financial implications in Amanda Petula breakup.

[A]

This was the weirdest.

[B]

Not a breakup. It's a divorce.

[A]

Right. And this was also the weirdest. You think?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

He's being, you know, speaking for the first time on his divorce. Ten years in the making, and it's literally like somebody following him around with a phone.

[B]

He's on the side of the road.

[A]

Yeah. And it's not. It's not like an airport TMZ or anything. It's just like his intern filming. Oh, it's Adam Glenn.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Actually, yeah, he is like a paparazzi who started his own social media and now has, like, he has really good relationships with celebrities. Reality starts too, because he is like a successful paparazzo. I think he's like a paparazzo for hire. So they all really, really like him. And now he does, like a lot of man on the street content. I actually see his stuff everywhere. So good for him. What? He got the scoop.

[B]

He got the scoop. So Kyle Cook is addressing online speculation that Amanda could potentially get saddled with some of his debt from lover boy.

[A]

He said he took out personal loans. Right. Instead of raising more money.

[B]

He said, I've seen a bunch of videos pop up talking about divorce and the financial implications. I don't think a lot of people really understand the intricacies of my business to begin with. Is there debt? Yeah, I took a small business.

[A]

Business.

[B]

Business loan. He said. I actually have no idea. He admitted adding that he and his estranged wife don't really plan to get to that point. So I guess hopefully they could just, like, split amicably.

[A]

I imagine they never really, like, merged finances or anything. Like a very modern marriage before you have kids.

[B]

Like, except that she was, like, very involved in lover boy. Lover boy building, you know, doing the branding, building into, like, helping out where it is. I. I don't know if she would just, like, walk away from all of that, but maybe for her piece she would.

[A]

Yeah. And I think, like, I think I said this the other day. There was a time where I do feel like it actually would have been really hard for her to walk away. I think the company at one point was actually worth a lot of money, and now the space is like, Very saturated. And I don't think they have, like, a huge market share anymore. And I think they did take on a lot of debt. And so now I think it's maybe easier for her to walk away. Be like, yeah, maybe this company will sell for a lot of money. It might not. And, like, for my piece, I can go.

[B]

Or maybe he'll give her, like, a percentage of it.

[A]

Didn't he say on the show that he had taken out a personal loan? A small business loan would not affect your partner. It affects the business. You take out the loan on the business where you get into troubles, where you start to take out personal loans and you can't, you know, if you default on those loans, then, like, your house gets taken. That's what happens, you know, like, in like, a lot of big scandals. So I remember him saying on the show that he had taken out a personal loan.

[B]

I don't know that I can't.

[A]

And if he did, that would be incumbent on Amanda. I also believe Amanda. Amanda. Amanda is personally wealthy, her family. So I just imagine, like, she's not terribly worried.

[B]

Yeah, I think I, I hope, I think they'll be able to just like, both walk away. Like he said, we hope to not get to that point. I think it should be as like, mess free as a divorce could be. Even though they do have this, like, entity between them.

[A]

Yeah, we'll see.

[B]

Well, wiener and wiener.

[A]

Queener and Wiener. Sabrina the wiener. Never. Today's Queenie and Weenie. Our fifth. No, our final, excuse me, segment of the week. Every Friday, Jackie and I like to do a little segment we call Queenie and Weenie of the week where we deliver to award swords a rose in a thorn, if you will. To a Queenie of the week, somebody who acted like a Queenie of the week and weenie. Somebody who was being major weenie energy this week.

[B]

A lot of choices.

[A]

And if it's okay with you, I'd like to go first with my Weenie.

[B]

Because we know we still start with Queenie.

[A]

That's what I said. Sorry, did I say.

[B]

You said Weenie.

[A]

Excuse me, I'd like to start with my Queenie because I've had my Queenie written my notes app since Monday, since I saw this video that literally brought me to tears. Bridget from the bar, influencer to the stars and also founder of the bar. She has been publicly battling cancer for the last, like two years. She's been documenting the whole thing on social. Just like, acting like a queen. She finished her treatment and she did the whole Walk with the bell. And whenever I see, like, a bell video, I'm. Oh, like, I'm sat and I'm crying. This one just, like, seriously broke me. She was wearing the cutest outfit. Like, she refused to lose her sparkle during chemo. She rang the bell. Her husband. The way I would take a bullet for that man.

[B]

We have chills. I saw the video, but you describing.

[A]

It, husband, like, obviously, I was watching Bridget, but I was watching her husband. Like, he was so overcome with emotion. He wanted to hug her, but, like, he did not want to take. Like, it is. First of all, the video is a work of art. Bridget is a queen. Bridget is. Excuse me. Bridget is a queenie, and she happens to be the queenie of my week.

[B]

I love that. That's a beautiful Queenie. Shout out to Bridget. My queenie is Chris Appleton.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For coming on the show, being such a trooper with our breath, like, with our breath, like, energy. Cutting my hair on his way out the door. Down to clown.

[A]

He was very generous with his product, his time, his skill, and his scissors.

[B]

Yeah. And he was down to clown, which is really, like, if you're coming on this show, you have to be.

[A]

You have to, like, join us down here.

[B]

Yeah. Like, so it might not always go that, like, but, you know, sometimes it's just an adventure. Over here at the toast. And he had such great energy, and everyone really loved yesterday's episode. You got an amazing haircut. I got fresh pieces. Like, he's the queenie of my week.

[A]

Yeah. And, like, you do expect somebody who, like, you know, is so. He was literally, like, the most famous hairstylist. Like, he was. You had never known. He was so normal and so cool. Like, how he was on the show is exactly how he was. Literally. We were, like, running out of the studio because he had, like, a book tour to do. Making tiktoks. He was so down. Like, he gave us everything. He left everything on the mic.

[B]

Agreed. Weenie.

[A]

So many good options this week. Now, what really took over my week was tell me lies. And I know it's like, I feel like weenie's not even a big enough term for Steven, but, like, the way he made me feel like, was so profound. That filming scene, like, it was really. It's like, I. I don't even want to give him weenie because how he behaved was so more than a week.

[B]

Diabolical psychopath of the week.

[A]

Criminal of the week. Like, seriously, jail for you week. But he was my meaning of the week. Like, seriously, I hate Steven. It's actually crazy when a show makes you feel. That's how you know it's a good show. Like, good and bad, like, makes you feel. It's such a good show. And his performance is really, really I hope it's a good performance. And he's not even remotely like that because he's so believable. He is awful. I cannot stand that man. Weenie. Also shout out to colton.

[B]

My weenies plural are brooklyn and Nicola, of course. I cannot believe that they did what they did.

[A]

Can we talk about a person whose name I swear I would never say on the show but it has to be said.

[B]

Oh, I just saw that this morning.

[A]

Okay. So Alana Hadid into it.

[B]

But I saw like, like Nicola's ex's sister is talking about how Nicola always wanted to be famous. I was like, which of her exes has a sister?

[A]

So alana Hadid, like the extremely irrelevant, awful, anti semitic sister of the hadid family chimed in. And you know what, I actually appreciated it because I had read in a TikTok comment like, so it really that, you know, Nicola dated anwar hadid for four years and I read that at the time he was really estranged from his family, especially his mom. And I was like, well, that's convenient if not true and interesting if true. And then alana chiming in basically echoing that sentiment and being like, you know, team victoria, While I hate her with every fiber of my being, her perspective is appreciated.

[B]

Oh, oh, I thought you were saying that she was a weenie.

[A]

Well, she is a weenie, but honorable mention. But I just wanted to talk about what she said.

[B]

Oh, yeah. It seems to just be a pattern.

[A]

Yeah. Which is not good.

[B]

And so, yeah, I can't believe the two of them wrote that. Especially, like, as we discussed this week. Like, no one was talking about it at the moment. Like, we weren't looking for an explanation. The two of you could have ridden off into the sunset and you don't have to like, I'll just never gonna side with the person that like publicly trashes their family when like the family it seems fine. Maybe they're like a little controlling.

[A]

And she danced and she's posh spice. So, like, what do you expect, right?

[B]

She shook her hips at the wedding.

[A]

May I suggest, like, I. I do feel like the weeniness really weighs heavy on Brooklyn shoulders. Like, honestly, nicholas slay, your man loves you so much. Like, like him like throwing your mother to Nicola. Victoria is just like a mother in law to Brooklyn. Like, that's your mom, dude.

[B]

Like, I agree the onus is more on him. But, you know, they're a unit. They're a unit. And it's like Megan and Harry. Like, it's about. I know you love to put. You're very consistent in that. You put all the onus on Harry. I think, you know, the womanly WS can't be understated.

[A]

So true.

[B]

But the men falling for it cannot be understated.

[A]

That's our show. Thanks for an amazing week, you guys. We're back on Monday with just more swirly energy, hopefully more breath energy.

[B]

Monday Traders recap.

[A]

Monday Traders recap. And that's all, that's all we've got for you. Thank you so much for listening to the toast on Monday morning show where we Deliver the Fast 5 stories that you need to know every Monday, the Friday on YouTube. So you're watching us on YouTube. Please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as podcasts anywhere podcast can be found. So that's Spotify, itunes, Stitch your public radio. I hear radio cast box all the places we have this on podcast f5 star review about a beautiful about how stunning and about how wickedly talented we are. Hope you guys have a wonderful weekend.

[B]

Love ya. Bye.