Confessions of a Mucus Plug: Tuesday, April 8th, 2025

Summary

The Toast Podcast: "Confessions of a Mucus Plug" – April 8th, 2025

Hosts: Jackie Oshry & Claudia Oshry
Episode Title: Confessions of a Mucus Plug
Release Date: April 8, 2025

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1. Introduction and Personal Anecdotes

The episode kicks off with Jackie and Claudia engaging in their signature banter, setting a lighthearted tone for the morning.

Claudia Oshry [00:05]:
"Good morning, girlies. It's the toast."

Jackie Oshry [00:23]:
"I sound amazing."

The sisters delve into topics of self-love and personal growth, emphasizing the importance of choosing oneself to foster stability and support others indirectly.

Claudia Oshry [01:12]:
"Practicing self-love. In this day and age, I really don't have the time or space to choose anyone but me."

2. Pregnancy and the Mucus Plug Discussion

A significant portion of the episode addresses pregnancy-related experiences, particularly the concept of the mucus plug—a mucus barrier that can indicate impending labor.

Claudia Oshry [05:00]:
"I've only recently learned about the mucus plug, and ever since I found out about it, I just think it's so interesting."

Claudia shares her anxiety over possibly losing her mucus plug prematurely, while Jackie reassures her based on her own experiences.

Jackie Oshry [06:02]:
"There was no confusing it."

The conversation highlights the emotional rollercoaster of pregnancy, the excitement of potential childbirth milestones, and the normalization of sharing such intimate experiences between the hosts.

3. Meghan Markle's Lemonada Podcast Launch

Post-advertisements, Jackie and Claudia shift gears to discuss Meghan Markle’s newly launched Lemonada podcast, "Confessions of a Female Founder." They critically analyze Meghan's choice of guests and the podcast's direction.

Jackie Oshry [27:43]:
"Her first guest was Whitney Wolf Heard, the founder of Bumble. And I do believe that Coach predicted that."

Claudia expresses skepticism about the originality and entertainment value of Meghan’s guest selection, despite acknowledging Whitney Wolf Heard's success.

Claudia Oshry [28:16]:
"It's just so unoriginal and corny. Like, the fact that I guessed it and I'm not even a particularly smart person."

They question the podcast’s potential longevity and Meghan’s strategy in the crowded podcasting space.

4. "White Lotus" Season Three Finale Cut Scenes

The hosts discuss recent developments in the popular TV show "White Lotus," specifically the removal of a controversial sex scene between characters Piper and Zion.

Claudia Oshry [44:20]:
"Yes, Belinda's son. And apparently took Piper's virginity."

Mike White, the show's creator, explains that the scene was cut to maintain narrative coherence, leading to mixed reactions among fans.

Jackie Oshry [45:00]:
"He was trying to do too much narratively, which I can understand why he felt that way."

The discussion underscores the challenges of balancing character development with overarching plotlines in serialized storytelling.

5. New York Knicks Game Highlight

Jackie and Claudia share their excitement over a recent New York Knicks game where OG Anunoby delivered a stellar performance, possibly inspired by Olympic gymnast Suni Lee’s presence courtside.

Claudia Oshry [47:01]:
"Suni Lee went courtside to the Knicks game, and she looked so unbelievably gorgeous."

They explore the interplay between athlete performance and the influence of high-profile spectators, adding a touch of light-hearted basketball commentary.

6. Caitlyn Bristowe and Jason Tardick's Dog Naming Feud

In a dramatic turn, the hosts delve into the public fallout between The Bachelor alum Caitlyn Bristowe and her ex, Jason Tardick, over the naming of his new dog after her long-desired baby name.

Claudia Oshry [55:40]:
"My husband is wanting to invite his sister's family to things... They are insufferable to be around."

The dispute escalates as Caitlyn publicly criticizes Jason for naming his dog "Teddy," a name she had reserved for her future child. Jackie and Claudia discuss the implications of such public standoffs on personal relationships and public personas.

Jackie Oshry [58:50]:
"It's that picture of her holding, like, J14 magazine when she's actually 11, being like, I love Justin Bieber."

7. Dear Toasters: Advice Segment

The episode culminates with the beloved advice segment, "Dear Toasters," where Jackie and Claudia address listener-submitted dilemmas.

a. Husband's Emotional Affair via Secretary

Submission Overview:
A listener discovers her husband has been emotionally involved with his secretary, leading to distress and uncertainty about the relationship.

Claudia Oshry [65:21]:
"She would have been like crying secretary could be a crying secretary, but your husband's like, normal."

Jackie Oshry [66:38]:
"They could have been like just talking. She could have been crying and you could have been like, still unclear. But you have clarity."

The hosts emphasize trusting one’s instincts and prioritizing personal well-being over attempts to rationalize suspicious behavior.

b. Handling Unwanted Gifts from Mother-in-Law

Submission Overview:
A listener grapples with her mother-in-law gifting her a bag filled with used eggs, which she finds gross and impractical, leading to tension.

Claudia Oshry [67:26]:
"You absolutely have to be okay with throwing things away."

Jackie Oshry [68:23]:
"Throw it away and keep your mouth shut and keep the peace."

They advise setting clear boundaries and prioritizing one's comfort and hygiene over maintaining a conflict-free relationship at all costs.

c. Inviting Difficult In-Laws to a Private Club

Submission Overview:
A listener is conflicted about inviting her husband's insufferable sister's family to a prestigious private club, fearing embarrassment and discomfort.

Claudia Oshry [71:05]:
"Just change your mindset. Stop feeling defensive of the sister."

Jackie Oshry [71:22]:
"Tell them the dress code. They'll be within dress code."

The sisters recommend pragmatic solutions such as communicating dress codes and reassessing personal biases to handle familial obligations gracefully.

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Conclusion

Jackie and Claudia wrap up the episode with reflections on the discussed topics, reinforcing the importance of self-love, trust in personal instincts, and maintaining healthy boundaries in relationships. Their candid and humorous approach offers listeners both entertainment and practical advice, staying true to The Toast's mission of delivering the "Fast5" stories that matter.

Claudia Oshry [72:19]:
"Someone has a glareless home. Just for them to come with their ugly, like, I hear you. It's disrespectful. Don't. If you're coming over for dinner, don't bring me a gift."

Jackie Oshry [73:00]:
"Love ya. Bye."

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Notable Quotes:

• Claudia Oshry [01:12]:
  "Practicing self-love. In this day and age, I really don't have the time or space to choose anyone but me."

• Jackie Oshry [06:02]:
  "There was no confusing it."

• Claudia Oshry [28:16]:
  "It's just so unoriginal and corny. Like, the fact that I guessed it and I'm not even a particularly smart person."

• Claudia Oshry [55:40]:
  "My husband is wanting to invite his sister's family to things... They are insufferable to be around."

• Jackie Oshry [71:22]:
  "Tell them the dress code. They'll be within dress code."

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the key discussions, insights, and advice shared by Jackie and Claudia, providing a valuable overview for both regular listeners and newcomers to The Toast podcast.

Transcript

[Claudia Oshry]

Good morning, girlies. It's the toast.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off. Swirly. It's the toast.

[Jackie Oshry]

I sound amazing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Welcome back to the toast and happy. What is it? Oh, only Tuesday. Oh, Dave.

[Jackie Oshry]

Choose. You choose. Make a choice quickly.

[Claudia Oshry]

Myself, Bruno. Claudia.

[Jackie Oshry]

Bruno.

[Claudia Oshry]

Turdy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Bruce is my choice today. He's in the studio with me looking handsome as ever. Handsome. Diablo.

[Claudia Oshry]

Diablo.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, he's a handsome devil.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, is that what diablo means? I should know that as a tosada.

[Jackie Oshry]

You should.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm pretty sure Bruno's not a handsome devil. He's a handsome angel. Angel.

[Jackie Oshry]

He's a devil. On opposite day. Broody. Hey, Turdy. How you doing?

[Claudia Oshry]

You know, darn.

[Jackie Oshry]

Choosing yourself, though, that's good.

[Claudia Oshry]

Practicing self love. In. In this day and age, I really don't have the time or space to choose anyone but me.

[Jackie Oshry]

But. But in choosing yourself, you're choosing your unborn child, which is so beautiful.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, and also in choosing myself, I'm choosing others because, like, if I'm stable, a lot of other people are going to be okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know.

[Claudia Oshry]

And if I'm not stable, like, just. I worry. Oh. You know, Ben and I discovered something really funny last night. You know how we're always talking about Ben's feet?

[Jackie Oshry]

Sure. In what sense?

[Claudia Oshry]

In the sense that, like, they don't see each other. Like, they're always going, like.

[Jackie Oshry]

We also talk about his toenails, so. No, that's not what I was thinking.

[Claudia Oshry]

And we also talk about, like, the pace in which his feet move, which is very slow.

[Jackie Oshry]

So the pigeon, like, nature of his feet.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, if you guys. It's not pigeon, actually. It's duck.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's anti pigeon.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, it's duck. It's the other way. So basically, his toes, like, one's a conservative and one's a liberal. Like, they never see eye to eye on anything. And we discovered that Ben, actually. And I'm surprised that, you know, because his mom is very into, like, very into. She always tells me, like, when they were growing up, they did, like, so many activities. She's very into, like, you know, keeping the kids stimulated. I'm surprised she never threw him in a ballet class because it turns out, first position, he has incredible, what they call turnout, which is your ability to turn out your feet. He was born in fifth position. So we last night went through all the positions that you can do in ballet. Let me tell you, Ben didn't even flinch. He executed them all flawlessly. And even, like trained dancers, like, you have to train your feet to turn out, like, to have this natural inclination to be able to, like, Ben can make his feet, like, into an equal sign. Like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And he does it. It doesn't hurt. He's not even trying. I fear he really missed out on a career as Valerie.

[Jackie Oshry]

On his calling.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

I understand. He could have been the next Mikhail Baryshnikov.

[Claudia Oshry]

Alexander Petrovsky.

[Jackie Oshry]

Instead, he's the next Alex Gordon Shelley.

[Claudia Oshry]

Also good.

[Jackie Oshry]

Also good. That's how I feel about Dana being a gymnast, because Dana is 4 8, which is, like, a great height to be a gymnast. You're compact, but she has incredibly long arms. Like.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh.

[Jackie Oshry]

And so could you see her on the bars?

[Claudia Oshry]

I could.

[Jackie Oshry]

So she missed her calling. Her and Ben can go live with their regrets.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Do you feel like you missed your calling in any particular skill or sport?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I feel like I gave. I tried everything.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

And my calling is to be a podcaster and a mom.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. Oh, that's beautiful. I'm holding space for two truths. My calling is totally to be a podcaster. But I do wish I had applied myself a little bit more in, like, the theatrics department. I think I could have. I could have made something of myself.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could have.

[Claudia Oshry]

If I had, like, you know, done show choir or, like, whatever. Maybe joined an acapella group at nyu, I think I could have a career both as a podcaster, but also a pop star.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. That's a bummer. Sorry.

[Claudia Oshry]

I have no regrets. I'm happy with where life landed me.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I think Ben is, too. And I don't think he's lamenting over, like, a career loss as a ballerina. I don't know if, like, that was his dream, but he has a natural inclination for it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, he definitely does.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I'll send you a video. You will die at his feet. Like, I'm like, I know them.

[Jackie Oshry]

I could see it. Nothing.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're saying to third position. He was already in it, you know? Yeah. Flawlessly. It was so funny.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's hysterical.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm also just, like, experiencing this kind of terrible phenomenon where I have, like, I have to pee so bad. I have to pee so bad. I have to be so bad. And I go. And there's no pay. What is that?

[Jackie Oshry]

Uti.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. Really?

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, that is like.

[Claudia Oshry]

Is that just, like, pregnancy stuff?

[Jackie Oshry]

That's literally exactly how someone would describe a uti.

[Claudia Oshry]

But someone who's not pregnant.

[Jackie Oshry]

Both People like, you could have a uti, but also, it could be like your baby's pushing down on your bladder, making you feel like you have to pee, but it's phantom because there's nothing in there.

[Claudia Oshry]

Should we tell everyone?

[Jackie Oshry]

Tell them what?

[Claudia Oshry]

What we did yesterday on FaceTime.

[Jackie Oshry]

Tell them what? Tell them what? I mean, it's your story to share.

[Claudia Oshry]

I called Jackie.

[Jackie Oshry]

Wow.

[Claudia Oshry]

From the toilet, which isn't new.

[Jackie Oshry]

No one can ever say that she holds back on the show.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, I called Jackie because, you know, I had a question for my doctor, but I. I think that, like, at first, I was being, like, a little dramatic, so I was like, I'm not gonna call Dr. Fox. Let me call Jackie. And I. You guys know my obsession with catching my mucus plug. Like, I have only recently learned about the mucus plug, and ever since I found out about it, I just think it's so interesting. And for those who maybe don't know, Jackie, you told me about this. Your mucus plug is like, kind of this, like, clump of mucus that falls out of your uterus when you're, like, due to give birth. Like, they say it could be, like, an indicator of, like, a week before.

[Jackie Oshry]

It was for me the first time.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's just sort of like a. Hey, how y'all doing? Were coming. No, it's still really early for me to have lost my mucus plug, but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I don't know. I was just, like, looking at my undies, being like, it's giving mucus. Mucus.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But it was a false alarm.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. So I did show to. Just to be clear, because, you know, Jackie's, like, squeamish like, that. She did let me, like, show her my underwear, which was really nice, and she was really cool about it, and she assured me that it's probably nothing, but just to text Dr. Fox, Dr. Fox said it doesn't look to be terribly alarming stuff. Yeah. But, like, I do. And I know it's, like, a common thing where, like, you take pictures of, like, your bodily fluids during pregnancy and share them with your health care provider. It's really not something through the portal. Right. It's really not something I'm, like, I'm ever going to be okay with. Like, there's so many things I've gotten used to. Like, people sticking their hands up my vagina probe. Like, the. Sending pictures of my knickers. Like, it's not. It's not going to ever be normal to me. Sorry.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's so I.

[Claudia Oshry]

Even though we are taking. Taking the picture, you're.

[Jackie Oshry]

You are so open. So it's funny that that's where you would draw the line. But I will say, I think if you were ever really concerned about something like what you saw yesterday wasn't alarming, if you were alarmed, you would send that picture off in two seconds in a negative way.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're right. You're right. You know, I lowkey, like, wished it was my mucus plug because I'm just, like, waiting for the day that just know when I lose a mucus plug, you guys will be the first.

[Jackie Oshry]

She'll be bringing it in the Ziploc onto the show.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, wait, that's why the frames are empty. They're waiting for my mucus plug to be smeared on the wall.

[Jackie Oshry]

Ye might not lose it. I know. Apology way. Like, I think with my second, I didn't like, it was still in there when I went into labor. And Dr. Fox. Yeah, some people don't lose it to me.

[Claudia Oshry]

Some people don't lose it, and some people don't even realize that they lost it. Like, what if I pee in the middle of the night? Like, it's dark. I'm not looking at the toilet bowl.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, some people.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I. I'm just on high alert.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know. I really want that for you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Me too. Like, I just think it'll be a really beautiful full circle moment. We have to listen. I think it's on the Patreon Jackie's first birth story, which I mentioned. She just low key, casually name drops the mucus plug, like, as if I know what that is. And my reaction, like, that was a pivotal moment for me as a woman. I think that was one of the things that made me want to get pregnant.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But I just want to say I didn't know what a mucus plug was either. But you know what? You read about it on the bump app. They're like, right. It could happen. I didn't know what it was. And when it happened, I knew what it was. There was no confusing it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, that's good. That's good. To the fact that I had doubts.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, yeah, you won't have a doubt.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. It's too early when you know, you know, so beautiful. So I don't know if there's like a Vegas odds on when my mucus plug is going to fall out, but it's as far as I know, it's still inside.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. But hedge your bets, you guys. Yeah, it's anyone's game.

[Claudia Oshry]

I Can't wait. I'm just as excited for the mucus plugs arrival as I am for the babies.

[Jackie Oshry]

Hopefully you get a little distance between the two so you could focus on your mucus plug. And of course, I don't want the.

[Claudia Oshry]

Plug to look overlooked.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

We also need a name for the plug, like Pluggio.

[Jackie Oshry]

No.

[Claudia Oshry]

Would you like to be the name?

[Jackie Oshry]

That would be my plug. So yours would be, like, Pluggy Lou.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yours would be Plow Yours, Blow Yours, or Pluggy Lou.

[Jackie Oshry]

I like pliers. I think it embodies the plug.

[Claudia Oshry]

Plojers. Sounds like something you read on Urban Dictionary. Like a blumpkin or something. Like what?

[Jackie Oshry]

A mucus plug is something from Urban Dictionary. You have a plungers.

[Claudia Oshry]

Can I tell you that today we have deer toasters. We actually have an update from somebody who wrote in somewhat recently. And it's like, people always say, like, we're being dramatic, right? For once, we were in.

[Jackie Oshry]

Let me tell you, every time you say we have deer toasters or that we have an update, like, my stomach drops. Like, no. How to deal with this feeling? Like, I get so worried for the girl.

[Claudia Oshry]

The one girl, of course for her.

[Jackie Oshry]

But just in general. Like, it's just a worrisome thing. That's because I'm an empath yet.

[Claudia Oshry]

So it's hard to do, like, an advice segment on your podcast when you're a deep empath.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because I'm still holding on to, like, every. Dear toasters from the beginning of time.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, of course. They all take a little piece of.

[Jackie Oshry]

Your heart, and they all, like, make their way into my DNA.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't know what it is about me. Also this year, do you feel, like, always people are, like, talking about the Sephora sale, like, every time it happens every year, and I kind of just, like, let it pass. Like, I don't buy. Like, I don't go crazy. I have placed three orders, and I actually want to go into the store today. I think it's because I feel so ugly that, like, I think makeup's gonna help. And it actually is helping. Like, I've been replenishing all my makeup, trying new things, and it does make me feel better. Like, the things that I can control. But I can't remember a year where I've ever. Maybe sometimes I'll, like, place one order. But people are always like, what'd you get at the Sephora sale? I'm like, nothing. This year I have. Can I have the Sephora app on my phone? Like, I'm being really crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's so crazy. No one is talking about the Sephora sale more than you.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know. And it's. By the way, it's amazing bringing it to the four.

[Jackie Oshry]

I will say it did come at a really good time because I'm low on every. Like, I've been meaning to place an order at Sephora, and I'm like, oh, it's a Sephora sale. So I did my restock of the things that I use, but I also plan on going to the store because I really want to try House Labs foundation, and I tried to order it online, but, like, they literally have a shade that's, like, pink.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, you need. Like, you need to go get matched.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I. Well, yeah, I just need to. I'll probably get, like, two colors. People say that, like, it would be a really great weekend foundation for me, and that's what.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, restocking your makeup is so expensive. Like, it really adds up. Everything is. Literally every good piece of makeup is $40. Like, it's really crazy. So 20%. I. I think I'm gonna have to place another order.

[Jackie Oshry]

I always spend $120 at Sephora. Like, no matter.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, that's, like, your number.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's always $120.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. I feel like it could be worse.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, unless I'm doing, like, oh, my God, you guys. Jackie has started sending me, like, cheapskate hack videos. Like, so dramatic. Like, she sent me this video. I'm like, why are you sending me. This is like, because she's cheap. You're like, yeah, maybe you could do it. Literally, this girl squeezing every last drop of product out of her toothbrush.

[Jackie Oshry]

Metal product. It looks like what they put in your vagina for a pap.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's like. Yeah, it's like a clamp where you twist every little piece of.

[Jackie Oshry]

You put your toothpaste in the bottle, and it moves everything down to the bottom so you don't miss a draw.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's actually meant for paint. I'm gonna get it. Jackie was like, you should try this. Like, please, I am not that cheap.

[Jackie Oshry]

You. You've always been, like, very economical in a very.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

In a. In a good way. In, like, you know, admirable head. A good head on her shoulders. But you have recently beard. I think it's like, you're so scared.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of all of the financial burdens coming my way.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. That you've really, like, tighten the purse strings.

[Claudia Oshry]

Really. But I just went to the Prada outlet, and I spent so much money. You saw?

[Jackie Oshry]

I saw. I did.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, I crushed it at the Prada outlet. Yeah, that's good, you guys, I got a pair of shoes and three bags.

[Jackie Oshry]

You didn't even tell me what bags you got. You're being so weird. Was one for me.

[Claudia Oshry]

You were not being helpful on the phone. That's why I was like, sending everybody pictures and you were chiming in so late. Be like, what about that one in the back? I'm like, girl, we've moved on.

[Jackie Oshry]

I was not by myself.

[Claudia Oshry]

And by the way, the Prada outlet was seriously, like, you had to be so crazy. The sales lady was like, do not. Do not leave this, like, hold. You have to hold this bag. Someone will take it. There's only like, one of each. And then I gave it to Ben. All of a sudden, I see this male salesman walking around with my bag. I said, excuse me, get back here. That's my bad.

[Jackie Oshry]

Ben set it down.

[Claudia Oshry]

Ben. Ben had given it to my saleswoman to take to the front desk. And she gave it to this man. She brought it.

[Jackie Oshry]

It was still yours.

[Claudia Oshry]

It was still mine, but it was. You had to really act quickly and swiftly. There was a line to get in the store. Like, it was really kind of all the other cheapskates showing up.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So you were like, dilly dallying, answering me like 20 minutes later about a bag.

[Jackie Oshry]

Sunday.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Which is the worst day to go.

[Jackie Oshry]

Morning.

[Claudia Oshry]

I was at the product store, probably about 1:00.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, we might have been napping.

[Claudia Oshry]

So like I said, and I was like, I was asking you if you wanted a bag. Like, it was seriously.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, it was kind of.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And you didn't answer. So I actually plan on going back to the Prada outlet. It was really a fabulous outlet.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think I might go to the outlet, too. The Prada outlet.

[Claudia Oshry]

Now, is there a Prada outlet by you? At this outlet center that I went to, the Woodbury Commons, there was a Le Creuset as well.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, there's a Le Crusade outlet near me as well. And I've been.

[Claudia Oshry]

I only knew to look. I only knew to look because you had such a fabulous experience.

[Jackie Oshry]

Did you get anything?

[Claudia Oshry]

No. It was. Let me tell you. So the. The outlet mall is huge, like where you park. And good luck finding a spot like is where you have to be. So we parked, like, in the luxury section because I wanted to go to Prada and Ben when to go to Theory. So we walked around a bunch. Le Crusade was actually five miles away. On our way out, we drove past it. We couldn't find a parking spot, and we Just left. Like, I just. I did not. Oh, going to the outlets. As a pregnant person, I needed like an ada. You know what? Actually I've had a thought. Maybe people are going to call me for. I think that pregnant women should get, starting at the fifth month, a handicap placard.

[Jackie Oshry]

I agree. Or just like pregnant. Like a pregnant parking spot. Yeah, something also for mothers with small children. They should get like parking at the front. They shouldn't be in the back of the parking lot.

[Claudia Oshry]

I agree. Like, the parking situation was so crazy and there were so many.

[Jackie Oshry]

I actually seen signs for family parking, like in some of the bigger places like that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, really?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I forget where, but I would say it was like, probably. I don't know if it was Target or Walmart, but like where they have huge parking lots and everybody gets a spot. And I've seen family parking, but like, it should be at the grocery store. It should be everywhere.

[Claudia Oshry]

I agree. It should be everywhere. That like a handicap placard is. Yeah, yeah. My father in law has a handicap placard and he like, is so he only recently got it, let me tell you, changed his life. And like, I'm jealous.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, but you don't.

[Claudia Oshry]

And then something. No, of course not. Something's so funny about my father in law. He loves these outlets that we go to. So on our way home, Ben calls him just like brag that he crushed it at theory. And he was so excited. And he. Ben was telling his dad like, oh, Claudia did so well at Prada. She got like great shoes and bags. And Bruce Ben said, was like, oh, that's great because you know, you can wear that at any size. And I'm like, yeah, like, exactly. No, wait. So when he said it, I was not. I was not miffed. I'm like, no, exactly. Like, Ben got a whole new wardrobe to get that. And I'm can't like, I wasn't gonna buy any clothes at the outlets. Like, I'm not buying for this size Prada dress at.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. Pregnant.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. So I was like, yes, Bruce, exactly. Thank you. He was like, I'm happy for you, like, that you were able to get stuff. I'm like, thank you. And then we, like, kept talking. And then he said it again. He was like, and that's so great because, you know, you can wear these bags and shoes at any size.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, Bruce.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I was like, say it again, Bruce. Say it again and again. He didn't mean it maliciously, but I was cracking up so hard. I'm like, you like, I liked that he saw me the first time. Yeah. The second time, it felt a little redundant.

[Jackie Oshry]

I understand.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. But it is nice that I can wear them in any size.

[Jackie Oshry]

It is still, you can send me your three bags that you got.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. Do you want. You want me to send them to you right now?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I'd like to see.

[Claudia Oshry]

Even though, like, if you read the chat. I did. Like, I did show everyone the wind.

[Jackie Oshry]

Up with the birthday bag that I got you, remember, from last year.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. That's still my bag.

[Jackie Oshry]

What? Do you want to wear it this summer?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, of course.

[Jackie Oshry]

Give it to me.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're more than welcome to borrow it.

[Jackie Oshry]

I need a bag like that for summer. Like a raffia tote.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, I'm sending you. Okay, so.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, parchi Mew mew.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I got that one.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. Very cool.

[Claudia Oshry]

And then in the second picture, I got the two bags in the front. You guys, they were half off, blue.

[Jackie Oshry]

And white and tan.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yep.

[Jackie Oshry]

Love.

[Claudia Oshry]

And then these. They were inspired by you. I was surprised you didn't answer me. Jackie has this fab pair of mew mew heels.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

That are so comfortable. They're like, great basics. I've worn them once.

[Jackie Oshry]

Colors. I wear them every time I go.

[Claudia Oshry]

Out, and every time I wear them, I'm like, oh, I need to buy them because they're so comfortable. They're so classic. And I don't really, like. I. I find heels really uncomfortable, and they're so expensive. But, like, you know, it's worth the investment. But, you know, me and my cheapie. So they had them at the outlets, and they had them in two colors, but one wasn't my size. I would have gotten them in both.

[Jackie Oshry]

We should go to the outlets together, because that would be fun. It's like a blast patreon of the things that we love.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. Designer and deals. Yep. That's so us Designer deals.

[Jackie Oshry]

So I'm happy for you.

[Claudia Oshry]

So all that to say, I'm not that cheap. I bought three Prada bags on Sunday. Okay. Yes. They were 50 off and fell off the back of a truck.

[Jackie Oshry]

But still they said Prater.

[Claudia Oshry]

But I did just get my 4.95 breast pump in the mail.

[Jackie Oshry]

Insurance.

[Claudia Oshry]

Insurance covered. And I got 1, 000 milk bags. God willing, I should need all them.

[Jackie Oshry]

What breast pump did you get?

[Claudia Oshry]

The spectra.

[Jackie Oshry]

What color?

[Claudia Oshry]

Blue. Blue. Well, I called Shannon yesterday. Did you see Shannon Stories?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I didn't catch up. What's. What's. I'm still finding out if James passed his driver's test.

[Claudia Oshry]

He did.

[Jackie Oshry]

Of course. He did. He can drive. He just.

[Claudia Oshry]

So Shannon was like, you know, I know we all clown on, like, health insurance and how it's, like, the worst thing ever, but it is, like, amazing that you get a free breast prompt. And hers had just arrived, and I was like, oh, my God. Say mine just arrived. Like, this is so exciting. And then she was unboxing it, and she got the pink Spectra.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, she'll be.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I said. I called her. I said, shannon, you gotta go blue. You gotta go blue. Everybody knows. Jackie told me that. But then everybody echoed, like, blue, blue, blue. And she was like, wait, what? Taylor told me pink. And I was like, really? And like, Taylor's a trusted source.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Taylor's like, her mom best friend who has, like, a thousand kids. And so I was like, maybe she got confused. So then Taylor and Shannon spoke, and actually, she had a really good explanation. She's like, no, I said what? I said as, like, your main pump, it being plugged into a wall, which is what the pink one requires. It's much more powerful. Your portable pump can be whatever. But, like, if this is gonna be your main one, like, yeah, get the one that plugs into wall. Where are you going?

[Jackie Oshry]

So pink is more powerful than blue.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's what Taylor said.

[Jackie Oshry]

Wow, that kind.

[Claudia Oshry]

So did you lead me astray?

[Jackie Oshry]

Turns his whole. Well, I'll just say Chantal never said that. I don't want to.

[Claudia Oshry]

You know, I don't want to pit Mama against Mama.

[Jackie Oshry]

Taylor's lived experience. Experience.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course. I. I actually feel like you do want to doubt Taylor's lived experience.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I don't. I respect Taylor. I respect her, but I just hadn't heard that before.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. So lots going on in and. And it was only 4.95. And Shannon, when she did the Spectra, she was like, oh, this. The blue one was $4.95 with insurance, and the pink one was free. I'm like, yeah, they can't give it away fast enough.

[Jackie Oshry]

Just. I feel like that tells you what you need to know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct. But you only get one free one with insurance. Like, per child. Per child? Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

You only need one.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. But if you wanted to switch, I'm.

[Jackie Oshry]

Saying, oh, you can't send it back.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't know. Shannon's like, I'll have to call my insurance company. All the paperwork. It's not worth it.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's fine. She'll just need an extension cord.

[Claudia Oshry]

Don't we all need an extension cord? Yeah, you've actually reached, like, peak living when you have Multiple extension cords.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm in a bad place with my outlets in my room right now. I only have, like, one that I can get to.

[Claudia Oshry]

And so, like, you own your home. Like, what's stopping you from calling an electrician and putting in an outlet? Nothing. Like, I rent an apartment where the outlets are. They are, like, it's. It's done. You know, there's nothing I can do about it. But that's your home. You built it. Like, put an outlet literally on your bed.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, yeah, yeah, maybe I will.

[Claudia Oshry]

My outlet in my bedroom, like, the one that's, like, my main hub for my heating pad and my phone charger by Hatch. It's in the worst spot. Like, I've actually thrown my back out trying to plug my phone in.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I. My. My bedside outlet is in a good spot. I just need more outlet.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, well, you got to go on Amazon and get that thing. Yeah, it's like, it plugs into both outlets and it gives you six. That's what I have. Okay, I'll send you an affiliate link.

[Jackie Oshry]

Send me the link. Get the always.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm always sending my friends and family affiliate links.

[Jackie Oshry]

Of course we are. I hope everyone is. Who signed up for these programs.

[Claudia Oshry]

Thousand percent. Well, we do have stories today. Tell me a little bit about them.

[Jackie Oshry]

I would say they're varied. I would say they're good. Oh, and it seems as though they're female focused.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God, we are such female founders. Confessions.

[Jackie Oshry]

Confessions. Of course we're talking.

[Claudia Oshry]

Please. Is that a no?

[Jackie Oshry]

You're lying. It's lemonade day.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's lemonade day. I just want to let you know, like, I'm actually at my wit's end.

[Jackie Oshry]

We literally don't even talk about her. And seriously, I know could, like, go to the moon, and I wouldn't even mention it because I don't want to upset you.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm not saying. I'm not saying with you. I'm saying, like, with the. With people. Like, I've actually had enough of her.

[Jackie Oshry]

I've had enough.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's Megan overload as well.

[Jackie Oshry]

And, I mean, we'll talk about it, but just, like, the idea that she's a jam maker and a podcaster and a cooking show host is insane. Like, to do all three things in one month when she hasn't worked one month in 10 years is so crazy and just, like, a bad business strategy. And we will get into it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Great.

[Jackie Oshry]

We shall get into it. But we have. Of course, it's lemonade day. The window is open. So is that Door.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know. Unfortunately, it's Lemonada day.

[Jackie Oshry]

We've been waiting for this day for so long. I gotta cross it off my list. We have ceremonies to do.

[Claudia Oshry]

I guess. I guess. Yeah. This is where I'm in a prison of my own making.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. It's major podcasting news. And it's Claudia was right news, which we'll get to after the break. So without further ado da do, here are the fast five stories that you need to know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, I'm like, what's the spoiler? What was I right about? Did I say Whitney's gonna be her first guest?

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Thank you Cogers Wojers.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're welcome.

[Jackie Oshry]

So our first story, the first episode of Meghan Markle's Lemonada podcast called Confessions of a Female Founder is here. And her first guest was Whitney Wolf Heard, the founder of Bumble. And I do believe that Coach predicted that. Really when we were saying like the elk of guests that she would have.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes, I remember who we were. I remember that we were guessing like female founders.

[Jackie Oshry]

Sarah Blakely would be a good guest. You said Whitney.

[Claudia Oshry]

Did I?

[Jackie Oshry]

I think you did.

[Claudia Oshry]

If I had remember, if I had remembered that, I would have been more excited about this story.

[Jackie Oshry]

So assume that you did say that because I don't know why I would think that you did. I remember you said I was like, oh that's so that's such a good call.

[Claudia Oshry]

It really doesn't bode well for like Megan's show that I was able to guess her first guest. Like it's because everything is so generic and corny. Like female founders, you know.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah. And she's like the classic female founder.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. It's just so unoriginal and corny. Like I. The Fact that I guessed it and I'm not even like a particularly smart person. I can't even remember that. I guess, like, I don't think it bodes well for the. The future of this show.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, well, they're having some girly chit chat talking about women in the workforce, working moms. Megan actually shared for the first time that she had postpartum preeclampsia, which Whitney had as well. She was saying it was so rare. It's so rare. And it was so scary going through that after having children, like trying to be there for your kids and. Or your baby and because it's unclear if it happened after Archie or Lilibet being a new mom and also having a serious health struggle.

[Claudia Oshry]

The interesting thing about podcasting is what, what we always say, right? Like, the cream rises, you can't fake it. And so with like the jam, and we didn't even talk about last week, the jam went on sale and sold out instantly. And, you know, it looked to have been really successful. Now we don't know if she made a hundred thousand jams or she made 10 jams and they all sold out. So a lot, I think, of being a celebrity and having brands or an influencer even is like smoke and mirrors, right? You can, sure, you can pretend that you have all the influence in the world, but only you really know, like, what, what coin you're bringing home with a podcast. It's really interesting to see who flies and who falls, and I will be very interested to see how this episode debuts. The charts don't lie. I looked this morning, now it is really early. I didn't see it anywhere, but it did just drop. So I give it 24 hours.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, give it 24 hours to see, like, where it lands. I will say the charts don't lie unless you're exclusive with one of the networks and networks, like, who knows? Because also, it's all very concentrated. But there is some vagueness in podcasting. Like we will never know how many people listen to her episode. Like, it's not so out there.

[Claudia Oshry]

I do think YouTube, like you, if you put up a YouTube video, the public can see exactly how many views it has.

[Jackie Oshry]

There are no. There's no way to know how many downloads somebody's episode gets. So I do think you can still, like, feign success.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes, yes, point.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because eventually no one wants to pay for your ad spots or to pay you if you're not bringing in money.

[Claudia Oshry]

Now, speaking of her ad spots, Liz woods did point out, because I was curious about this as well. You know, part of being a podcaster. You guys just heard me do three ads. Like you read ads. And I actually, I meant to tell you this. So on the good guys, they were talking about how Gavin Newsom just launched a podcast. Like how crazy that is. And Ben was like, well, he does ads. Like, that's crazy. He's the governor.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I actually went to listen to hear the ads, and they're pre recorded commercials by like someone else.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's not a commercial, a real commercial.

[Claudia Oshry]

And it's an iHeartRadio podcast. So it sounds like a radio commercial that you hear in the car. And so Megan's is the same as Gavin Newsom's where it's not Megan reading. Even though she had like premium sponsors of this episode, like Discover, credit card. It was not in Megan's self voice.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't like that. You know, I know part of being.

[Claudia Oshry]

A podcaster, you got to get in there.

[Jackie Oshry]

You got to get down in the mud. We want to hear your take on the ads. Tell us how you use code turt in everyday life.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God. Speaking of women in podcasting, I have to say something. I. I'm actually really worried about Kylie Kelsey. So I don't, I don't listen to a lot of podcasts, but I don't listen to any podcast, honestly. But hers comes across my desk all the time because she's always like, talking about, like, mom stuff and she has like different celebs on. And I guess her thing is like, she tells it straight, right?

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, not gonna lie is the name of her show, so she won't lie.

[Claudia Oshry]

And so she is always like, responding to people who like, say ludicrous things about motherhood. And I, I just genuinely want to know, like, who the hell she hangs out with because who the fudge is saying this shit to you. Like, she. I saw a clip and it was like, C sections aren't real births. And like, people say that to her. I guess she's had a couple of C sections. Like, who the fudge says that? Like, I. Like, that's insane. And nobody I know would ever say that. And I feel like, yes, it's like produced content for a podcast, but, like, it makes it seem like literally she knows the worst people because it's like, oh, people will say to me who I talk about, like social media, maybe like trolls.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, maybe they're like searching in the gutter for the, like, the worst things that people say are just like bad tropes. You know, I've Heard people. I've. I've not heard anyone that I know say that, but I am aware that that is a narrative out there that's like C sections aren't real birds. But like, no respectable person says that with their whole chest.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct.

[Jackie Oshry]

So, yeah, she's responding to, like, these gutter trolls.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. So, but. But the way she says it conversationally sounds like, like somebody, you know, like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Her friend when they went pta.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And I'm always like, girl, you need new friends. Like, you need a new social circle. But it. Maybe she is just, like, responding to general, like, things, not, like, specific instances.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think it's more so like, stereotypes and just the. The nasty things that people say.

[Claudia Oshry]

And she really made me worried for, like, who she hangs out with.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, okay. No, I. I feel like I do. I think it's probably a little more produced than that, I hope.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. I hope so.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, I'm. I welcome Megan, of course, as a female founder myself and a female podcaster. And good luck.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. A woman in podcasting.

[Claudia Oshry]

Good luck. Like, I don't, like, I don't care, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, Yeah. I. I mean, I should, like, just, like, I would watch, you know, as ever tv. I should, like, listen to this. Even this morning I put on Rascal flats instead of, like, listening to see what's up. I have no.

[Claudia Oshry]

Because you chose yourself.

[Jackie Oshry]

I have no desire to listen to this.

[Claudia Oshry]

Zero.

[Jackie Oshry]

Not even for R D purposes or, like, for the tea. Like, not even, like, to hate listen. I have no desire.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, she's taking it really seriously from, like, a business perspective. And that, to me is just uninteresting. Like, I don't know who the next guest is going to be. And there are women especially that I'm sure she knows who are really entertaining but also have amazing businesses. Like, she should have Reese Witherspoon on, you know, not there's anything wrong with Whitney Wolf. Heard she's, like, built an amazing billion dollar business. But, like, from an entertainment perspective, it's not an entertainment show. It's a business show. And for that, I'm just, like, bored.

[Jackie Oshry]

I. I don't think it's fair to say that we're bored because we didn't listen.

[Claudia Oshry]

Because we didn't listen.

[Jackie Oshry]

But bored by the concept.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And I know that they're not in a studio together, both looking pargy, wearing, like, Laura piano sweaters because I know it's done remotely and she's in her living room and it's audio only. So, like, seriously, I'm out.

[Jackie Oshry]

Is There anyone she could have on that? You would. Gwyneth, you would tune in.

[Claudia Oshry]

Thousand percent.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, so there it is. I feel like she will have her on. Maybe not this season because the season's probably wrapped and they just became friendly. Maybe next season.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know we already had this conversation, but I. My money is more on Megan going on the Goop podcast to promote her own new podcast. And like, Gwyneth wouldn't go on this unknown show.

[Jackie Oshry]

Pod Swap. That's what we call around these parts. Yeah, we need a pot.

[Claudia Oshry]

Maybe I'll be. Maybe I'll be two for two with pod predictions.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think so. I think it's.

[Claudia Oshry]

I can't believe I said Whitney. Like, somebody find the clip for me, please. Like, I don't believe it. I'm literally so smart.

[Jackie Oshry]

Let me know if you guys remember what I'm remembering.

[Claudia Oshry]

By the way, I remember the exact conversation and I remember making a prediction that you thought was good because I remember feeling good about myself. And then I remember, like, you couldn't think of one. I'm like, oh, she's so dumb.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm so smart. No, mine was Sarah Blakely, like, from the get.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, like, you couldn't think of one. I remember.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, so. Okay, I see. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And like, you were dumb and I was smart.

[Jackie Oshry]

I gave you the highest of compliments. Taking up to bring me down. It's not enough for me to practice. Stomp on me below you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct. So I remember that feeling. I just don't remember exactly who I predicted.

[Jackie Oshry]

Got it. Well.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I don't. I don't think of the Bumble founder a lot. So, like, I'm surprised she was in my brain.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I don't think of her a lot either. Even though she's so ubiquitous and she's a classic girly female founder.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

So check it out. Check it out. And. And if you do, listen, like, let us know your thoughts. As toasters who obviously have a high bar for content, I trust the toaster's opinion on it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Agreed.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you ready for our next story? Oh, I'm gonna move some things around. I don't think you're ready for the next one. This next one was a Turdy sent to me, but I had seen and I too was interested. Shout out to Liz woods for posting the premium content because Francesca Farago is claiming that influencers have been offered money to promote negative Haley Bieber narratives on tick tock. So Francesca Farago took to Snapchat to walk up her stairs and wash her face and casually like, Drop this bomb.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. That she's doing skincare.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But like, she was. It was such an afterthought. Like, she's literally. I know. She's also a new mom. She's like, huffing and puffing up the stage wins to twins. Like, she's pumping breastfeeding and just decides to share that. Apparently influencers are being paid to hop on this tik tok trend smearing.

[Claudia Oshry]

She got an offer herself.

[Jackie Oshry]

So she had said, like, in the past, people like herself get offered to get paid to do trends, whether it's dances or use certain songs or certain music.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

I could see that, like, we would. I don't think we would do this. But then I started thinking, like, maybe we should pay influencers to use some of our sounds from our show.

[Claudia Oshry]

My God, that's money I'll spend.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right? That would. But they do it anyway, you know?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Not enough.

[Jackie Oshry]

A delight. What is it?

[Claudia Oshry]

The fact that we have so many haters genuinely blows my mind.

[Jackie Oshry]

Anyways, yeah. We're viral, so it'd be akin to that. Like us paying people, but it's. I don't know who. They pay people to use their music, so maybe it's labels, maybe it's artists. She said she got it, by the way.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's a bunch. I've been offered to, like, use someone's song. Like, it's a bunch of them. It's nobody you heard of, right? It's. It's a bunch of people who do it. Like music labels, management companies. But then I feel like after the Justin Baldoni article and like, the. We were all introduced to the concept of, like, astroturfing. Um, you'd always felt like certain things were getting, like, unfair treatment on social media and you were like, who's behind this? And like, if you feel like a conspiracy theorist. And that's why that Blake Lively, like, her initial complaint with all the screenshots, like, actually was so, for me at least, like, eye opening. Because he actually sent a Hailey Bieber tweet.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Remember, he was like, we need this for Blake. And it was like 10 times Hailey Bieber has been a woman hating mean girl.

[Jackie Oshry]

But I saw it more as, like, bots and bot farms and like, like a company creating a bunch of accounts making, writing viral tweets and then having their thousands of accounts like that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

And not paying real people, real influential people to say stuff that they don't even know to be true.

[Claudia Oshry]

That maybe this is just like the next step in astroturfing.

[Jackie Oshry]

This was surprising to Me. She did not name anyone specifically, but implied that certain trends in popular sounds on platforms like Tick Tock may be part of a larger smear campaign. So she said she got an offer to do this Hailey Bieber trend that's going around. It's like, he thinks I. We just met, but turns out I was stalking him. And it's like a picture of Haley Bieber, because that's the narrative about her right now.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, you know what? I've seen that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, so now influencers.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's that picture of her holding, like, J14 magazine when she's actually 11, being like, I love Justin Bieber. Oh, my.

[Jackie Oshry]

So, yeah, she. She didn't do it. She thought it was, like, nasty. And she's letting everyone know. Thanks.

[Claudia Oshry]

Good. Yeah, thanks. Because I feel like if you're a rational, media literate person and you watch what goes on on social media around certain people, Hailey Bieber being one of them, you feel like it's an abnormal reaction. There's so much being said. And it's also nasty. And you're like, you don't want to sound like a crazy person, but you're like, this feels coordinated. So something like this, like, does give validity also, like the Justin Baldoni introduction to Astroturfing and that company in Dallas that, like, does this for a living. You're like, oh, no, these things do exist.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. But then who's paying for this?

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, yes. So a lot of the. The initial, you know, I mean, I saw it and I'm like, oh, it's Selena. Right? Like, and I think that's the natural. Everybody, even. Because even the Selena fans are now hating on Francesca, sending her so much hate and death threats. She never said it. So it's like you're self identifying.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, so, I mean, who else, for real, who hates Hailey Bieber? Even though, like, Selena Gomez doesn't hate Haley Bieber as far as we know. Right. Like, they were photographed together at lacma.

[Jackie Oshry]

Claudia, you have to let that go.

[Claudia Oshry]

I can't.

[Jackie Oshry]

It was three years ago and it means nothing. Like, so much has happened since then.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

A hatred between them, but I just.

[Claudia Oshry]

Refuse to believe it feels like Selena Gomez is, like, the happiest she's ever been. Like, maybe there was a time where I could see Selena Gomez being so miserable that, like, yeah, I'm a billionaire. Let's spend some coin ruining Haley's life. But now she feels like she's in the best place she's been in in, like, actually 10 years.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Also, I don't Know if this is, like, an organic movement or. I've been Astroturf successfully, but I've been getting served all these clips of Benny Blanco.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, he's having a moment.

[Jackie Oshry]

Various podcasts, talking about his music. What a cogent, intellectual, insightful man. Like, I feel like, you know, Nikki Glazer made that joke at the Golden Globes. Like, he's just lucky to be with Selena. Like, he is such a catch. He is such a good guy. He says really wonderful things about her. But also, he's such a great music creator. He's been, like, showing how he's made certain songs for years. Even, like, he did one of the Kesha songs. He showed how he made the bridge. He had, like, no more money or time left. And so he used, like, dj, turn it Up. He had. She had said that once in the beginning of the song. So, like, he made that the bridge. And he's, like, showing how he writes all these songs. He's a very smart person, and I'm really impressed by him.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I actually think that, like, the Benny Blanco turnaround, because at first, like, they started dating, everybody's like, ew, right? And then they started doing a lot of press together. And I think a lot of it had to do with their interview on Jay Shetty, where they talked a lot about their relationship.

[Jackie Oshry]

And he said, comes from Jay Shetty.

[Claudia Oshry]

He's extremely emotionally intelligent. And it's like, you know, Internet talk. It's like, guys get you a guy who will do. And it's like, that's literally Betty Blanco. And you're all clowning on him. What? Because he's short and has curly hair. Like, he's actually a very good partner. And, like, he really is gonna be, like, an amazing husband. And so I think a lot of people. I don't think it had it was astroturfing. I actually think it was. It was. Because I watched it slowly unfold. Extremely organic. People being like, wait, we're clowning on him. Because he, like, took that picture with Selena's feet and he has, like, a gap in his tooth. But, like, wait. He is so respectful. He's, like, saying all the things you are always saying you want your boyfriends to say.

[Jackie Oshry]

And he's very smart and he's very well spoken, and he says interesting stuff. I'm very impressed by him. Just wanted to make note of that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. So why would Selena now be, like, going on another astroturfing campaign when she really seems to be, I think, for the first time in a really long time, like, genuinely happy, personally, professionally. Like, she's crushing it in all corners of her life.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't see her being behind this. But if not her, who? Because it's definitely. You're right. Like, okay, so it's a coordinated thing. There's an agency paying people on behalf of who. Who's paying the agency?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, that's my question.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, also, I forgot to check off on my. On my notepad. Lemonade. It's a big day. I brought it up. Brought out the list. So the only thing that we're still waiting for in our countdown list is Keeping Up With Sports.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I do think we'll be waiting quite a while.

[Jackie Oshry]

We should have them on this show.

[Claudia Oshry]

I would absolutely love it. And I think we could. Even though I think that part of the reasons by Keeping Up With Sports is not here, nor will it ever be, is, like, I don't think that they worked well together, and I don't think they would agree to do an interview together.

[Jackie Oshry]

Maybe we could have them on separately and they could separately sell their side of what happened.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. Oh, I love that. Like, sort of a group therapy doing. Love that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

White Lotus still making news after the premiere. And now we are learning that a scrapped sex team sex scene between two unlikely characters in the season three finale was cut. So apparently the White Lotus scrapped an unexpected sex scene between Piper and Piper Zion.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. Belinda's son. And apparently took Piper's virginity.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. The show's creator, Mike White, revealed that they were supposed to hook up, even though viewers never saw them cross. Cross paths at the resort. He said the part that was cut, which is very disappointing, is that she decides to lose her virginity in the script in the last episode, and she actually has sex with Zion, which is Linda's son.

[Claudia Oshry]

I mean, I guess it's in the very last episode, so she's already back from her monk trip, and she knows she's not gonna move to Thailand. So I understand why if they needed to cut stuff, like what, this didn't serve any purpose. It would just be, like, for fun.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I think people actually would have really loved it. He said, I was trying to do too much narratively, which I can understand why he felt that way. But when you watch the whole show, it's like there actually kind of wasn't enough narratively.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And he addressed that in the podcast too.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. He said something like, edging you guys to get out of my bed if you don't like it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. He was basically like, I've seen the backlash. Saying, like, nothing happened in this show. And he's like, this is not the type of show. It's a world building show. You're just like, getting to know people for one week. All roads are not supposed to connect back to the murder. Like, it's not that type of show. It's not Murder on the Oreo. Like, it's just a show. And this. If you don't like it, scram.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, well, he said a little harsher than that. And he made it very sexual, which I guess he did.

[Claudia Oshry]

And so I chose to paraphrase.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, he said, like, this is my bed. Don't sleep with me. Get out of my bed. I'm edging you. You like edgy?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

You don't like edging? Leave.

[Claudia Oshry]

Maybe he saw the Toast podcast talking about edging and he was inspired.

[Jackie Oshry]

I. I think fans would have went wild for this. I just want to say I. It might have been a miss to cut it. Like, people like.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like this is the second thing I heard.

[Jackie Oshry]

And then the one about Lori's daughter was.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. Carrie Coon had a trans daughter. And they, like, talked about it and that whole scene was cut. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess it was more so to serve that conversation about, like, all their different lifestyles. Like Leslie Bibb, who goes to church and voted for Trump, and the other two who didn't. So I guess it was, like, meant to be political. I don't think either of those two, like, really either of those missing scenes. And that's the whole point of deleted scenes, right? They can be deleted.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

They don't impact the. The plot at all. I. I am fine with not seeing. I found Belinda's son to be annoying. Like, I'd had enough of him, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, he was crazy.

[Claudia Oshry]

He was crazy and he was, like, barely in the show. I just found his energy, like, so overwhelming.

[Jackie Oshry]

Do you think he got the same 40, 000?

[Claudia Oshry]

An amazing question, actually.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes, but it's not per episode, so.

[Claudia Oshry]

So he's in the first and the last, maybe the last two. So maybe he made 120 grand. Yeah. Whereas everybody else, except for Sam Rockwell, he probably got paid the same as Sam Rockwell. He. Everybody else is in every single episode.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, true that. Are you ready for our next story number four, Our fourth story that you sent me from an interesting website?

[Claudia Oshry]

This.

[Jackie Oshry]

You guys take the buzz dot com.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, sorry. There wasn't like, a lot of widespread media coverage because it's like, pretty much an Internet thing, but it's also a very New York thing. If you want to know what's going down in New York, like, something's going down.

[Jackie Oshry]

The New York Knicks took down the Phoenix Suns, 112 to 98 on Sunday night. But the real fireworks came from OG Anunoby, who erupted for 32.6 rebounds and three assists, possibly powered by Olympic gold medalist Suni Lee's courtside presence.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. So Suni Lee went courtside to the Knicks game, and she looked so unbelievably gorgeous. And there are a couple of videos of. What's his name? Sorry. Ben is obsessed with him. OG, like, walking past her and, like, doing, like, good basketball moves, like, right in front of her. And he had, like, a particularly good game. And the Knicks aren't, like, amazing. They're not bad. And he's a good player, but this is sort of, you know, some. Something had to be different. Right. Why was this game different from all other games? Sunni. And people think that, like, you know, there was a pretty girl in the front row, an Olympian, you know, and he kind of was showing off.

[Jackie Oshry]

Do you think she's the best of his to begin with?

[Claudia Oshry]

So the narrative online, which is completely made up, like, everybody's just larping, is that they're totally not connected. And I think when, like, you come as a guest of a player, you get, like, much worse seats. They don't give you a courtside. But when you're sunny and, like, the Knicks invite you, you take a courtside seat. You know, I think she was there, like, for press.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. So I think she could have still gotten seats if she was, like, his girlfriend. She could have gotten.

[Claudia Oshry]

But there's no. There's no reason to believe that they're boyfriend and girlfriend.

[Jackie Oshry]

But the way he was, like, looking at her, it could have been like, that's my girl.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, and I absolutely love this for Suni. I think that that's a great boyfriend for her. And we don't even talk about how, you know who's, like, a prominent New York Knicks wag right now?

[Jackie Oshry]

Who?

[Claudia Oshry]

Jordan Woods. Carl Anthony Towns plays on the Knicks.

[Jackie Oshry]

And.

[Claudia Oshry]

And she, like, low key. Has been with him for a while, and he's a really good basketball player.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, that's cool. Good for her.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Like, he's legit. She's not, like, married to, like, not married. Excuse me. They're dating, but, like, you know, like a sad basketball player. I think some girls just want to take basketball players so they'll pick up anyone. Yeah, no, he's, like, He's a real player.

[Jackie Oshry]

And if you make it to the NBA, like, you're probably good, you know?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. You're getting choked up.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's emotional to think about all the players. You aren't good enough.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, no, but like, some, some girls just want to say that they're dating an NBA player. So, like, there's a scrub who like, still wears jeans to the game. He just. Because he's not gonna get played and he makes 200, 000 a year. And like, you have a boyfriend in the NBA. Yeah, but that's not what this is. So I just wanted to be clear. Like, she low key has like a boyfriend who's really good, I assume.

[Jackie Oshry]

Get the vibe she's always at like Sushi Park.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. She was there once, but yeah, that we saw.

[Jackie Oshry]

Always there.

[Claudia Oshry]

Always.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Thank you. Slash Ter. Are you welcome to experience your own colist drum? Like, is that something that's exciting to you after all the talk about it?

[Claudia Oshry]

No. That's a good question. I. I don't know if I would say I'm, like, excited. That's not. That's not one of the parts that excites me.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, it's not like a mucus plug level of.

[Claudia Oshry]

No.

[Jackie Oshry]

No Interest and intrigue.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. I'm like, things I'm actually looking forward to most. Ready? Obviously. Mucus plug.

[Jackie Oshry]

One. He just plugged two babies.

[Claudia Oshry]

Two. Yeah. Meeting the child. Three. Like, the smells. Like. I feel like I'm so excited to see what my baby smells like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, baby smell, newborn smell. Not like, but.

[Claudia Oshry]

But it's my baby, you know? Like, all babies smell good and your children have smelled amazing. Like, seriously, some of the best smells of my life. And I can only imagine, like, this one's gonna be even better. It's mine.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I feel like when you're so close to it, you don't smell it as much. Like, it's.

[Claudia Oshry]

No.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, it's like your house because you're in it.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're in the bubble.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because, like, yeah. Now when I think about it, I feel like it wasn't every time I pick them up.

[Claudia Oshry]

But maybe you weren't taking the time to acknowledge the smell.

[Jackie Oshry]

Maybe. Maybe.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, well, I'll let you know. I'll report back. And then third kisses. Like, no one can tell me, like, how many kisses.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, they're all much greater than my kisses.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

I love that for you. Our fifth and final story is actually a little bit of baby adjacent news because Kaitlyn Bristowe and Jason Tardick continue to fight as she is slamming him for using her dream baby name for his new dog. Have you seen this?

[Claudia Oshry]

I have.

[Jackie Oshry]

It is extremely awkward. So we actually talked about on Patreon last week how.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Oh, that was Patreon.

[Jackie Oshry]

Patreon. How she has started to share some stuff about why they broke up. She talked about him getting into podcasting, how she felt like he was sort of reaching her coattails, mooching. He wasn't paying half the rent.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. She would have to, like, beg him to pay bills even though they were living in her house that she fully.

[Jackie Oshry]

Paid off that she didn't even want him to move into. And now she is going on her podcast to talk about how he used her dream baby name for his new rescue dog. She said, I'm making this clear. It's not that I'm not over him, but to get a dog and name that dog my dream baby name that I've had in my baby names for 10 years. I even have a text that says to him, I said the day I met him, quote, I want to name my baby Teddy. She doubled down that she's very much over him after breaking up with him in August 2023, after four years together, she said, I did not want to be in that. It felt icky to me. I did not want to be in it. I know I seem very angry, but it's more like I don't like feeling disrespected, and I just have so many gross feelings from that because for so long, I was made to feel crazy, and now I'm like, oh, I'm not crazy. I just saw what other people are seeing now. Are people, like, turning on Jason Tardick?

[Claudia Oshry]

I think that she's making a compelling case with everything she shares, right? Like, she's just. And she. I feel like she keeps maintaining, like, a level. Even though she's, like, dragging him through the gutter, she keeps maintaining, like, a level of respect. Like, even with the. We talked about this on the Patreon, so I won't repeat. But when she was saying, like, he would never pay bills, she was like, I wasn't perfect either. Like, yeah, I was crazy not letting him podcast because I had a podcast. So she keeps, like, owning her. So if you're gonna drag someone like you, you have to be perfect, right? But she keeps owning her with every breath that she also drags him in, which I think is, like, making a compelling case. And I think that. I mean, this is kind of crazy. So I just want. I wanted to go to his Instagram.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because I think there's something for his side of things. Like, he. He got a new dog, and then he said, my new buddy needs a new name.

[Claudia Oshry]

I was just pulling up. He was asking people on March 4th on Instagram, what should I name my new dog?

[Jackie Oshry]

Polling people. And then he wound up going, people had suggested Teddy, which is the name, by the way. He named his dog Teddy, and that's her baby name. And there was another name that people had suggested that it was, like, between the two. And he went with Teddy, which is her dream baby name. And he knew that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Now, to me, the weirder thing about this is. And I want to know, like, I would like to hear from Sean Booth, okay? Because now there are three people who are, like, obsessed with golden retrievers. And it all started with Sean Booth. Do you remember that?

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, Tucker Doodle.

[Claudia Oshry]

So Tucker Doodle was Sean Booth's dog. And then when him and Caitlin got engaged and moved in together, like, it was their family dog. But when they broke up, like, he was Sean's dog first. And people were, like, really following along the devastation of Caitlyn losing Tucker. Now, he wasn't wrong for taking Tucker, but It's just, like, a sad part of a breakup, and people were so sad for her.

[Jackie Oshry]

And then she got a ramen noodle.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. She got a rescue golden retriever and another one. Pinot. Pinot Noir. Yeah. So she has two golden retrievers. Then Jason comes, and she becomes, like, the Sean Booth. Jason comes to live with her. He falls in love with these two dogs who are not his.

[Jackie Oshry]

Ramen and Pinot.

[Claudia Oshry]

Ramen and Pino. And then they break up, and he's dealing with the fallout of losing, so he gets a doodle or whatever. What is it? A golden retriever?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, it's a classic golden retriever.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's. It's the dog from Full House. And so to me, like, that's the funny thing here. Like, not the name I can't get over. Like, what does Shawn Booth think of all of this?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And it's just a cycle that's gonna keep repeating because the next girl, Jason's.

[Claudia Oshry]

Next girlfriend, is gonna fall in love.

[Jackie Oshry]

With Teddy, and then she's gonna be.

[Claudia Oshry]

Heartbroken, and she's gonna get snickerdoodle.

[Jackie Oshry]

I. I don't know if Sean Booth, like, cares about the dog, the canine aspect of things, but I wonder what he thinks about, like, this infighting. Because it was crazy that after she moved on from Sean, she started. She dated Jason for four years, which is a really long time, and they were engaged, and that was, like, a really serious relationship relationship. And the fact that it went south is really surprising, because when you're with someone for four years, like, like, you would get married, because, like, yeah, if you hate them, like, you'd hate them at two years, too.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct.

[Jackie Oshry]

So I just wonder, like, what he thinks of the whole thing. But what I want to say.

[Claudia Oshry]

Name.

[Jackie Oshry]

I want to talk about the name, but I also want to say about, like, her sharing the details. I do agree with you that she is still being respectful, because I feel like a lot of times people get out of a breakup, and the next day, they just start a laundry list of everything this person said or did that, like, we should never know. Like, yes, you tell us. You tell us, and it's not good. But, like, I would never want to date that person next and know that anything that I said, like, there's nothing private here.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. It is now common for you to be in a public relationship, break up, and then within the next month, go on a podcast or your own podcast and share every dirty detail. Like, yes. Even if somebody wasn't great to you in a relationship, barring, you know, like, really bad things. Like, relationships are two people being human, and you're. You should be allowed to, like, keep that private. It's like, an icky thing. I don't like it. And so she actually never really talked about him. He had a whole relationship since then with Kat. It's been a long time, and I still feel like she is being respectful.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's been two years. And even the things that she's not saying, things that he said to her, like quotes, like, just generally speaking, he wanted this, I wanted that. I didn't like this. And I think that's just, like, a fair way to talk about a relationship at a glance. But now she's pissed.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Now she's.

[Claudia Oshry]

Now with the name. I've seen, like, you know, two schools of thought online. The first being like, oh, this is so disgusting of him. And two being like, I think, like, you know, men. We're giving more men this man more credit. Like, that he was even listening, that he knew, like, your favorite baby name, you know, she swears it's like, a core part of their relationship. It was, like, from the beginning of their time together, like, it was a thing. So you think it's.

[Jackie Oshry]

She told him what she wanted to name her baby the first day she met him?

[Claudia Oshry]

No. Like, girls are just, like, crazy, you.

[Jackie Oshry]

Know, I think he's the type of man who listens and remembers. I don't think that this is, like, a coincidence, but I could see for him being like, well, what does that have to do with me and my dog? Like, it's not like, you know what I mean? But.

[Claudia Oshry]

Because then if Caitlyn has a baby and she names intended there. It's weird.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's Jason's name, but I can see for Caitlyn that it's like. You named your dog my baby name.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, the fact that one's a human and one is a dog is obviously, obviously an issue as well.

[Jackie Oshry]

But I think it actually would have been worse if it was a baby, because then, like, if Caitlyn's baby and Jason's baby have the same name, like, that's even weirder. But Teddy is also Theo, so.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct. Trailblazer. Trailblazer.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, it's. It's definitely.

[Claudia Oshry]

All right, well, Caitlin, now that you can't use the name, might I suggest Dora do dadu. Just an idea.

[Jackie Oshry]

Crunchy Angel.

[Claudia Oshry]

What a weird saga. What?

[Jackie Oshry]

That was, like, a weird development that made me feel weird.

[Claudia Oshry]

Agreed.

[Jackie Oshry]

And I feel like this is not the end, because he has no. When his next Trading Secrets come Out. He's got some. Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

He hasn't responded.

[Jackie Oshry]

He hasn't responded. But maybe he won't, because I think that then she'll respond and make him look even worse and, like, maybe this is as bad as it gets for him. And. And he could come back from this.

[Claudia Oshry]

He could take it. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. It's nothing like really crazy. It's just, you know, breakup stuff. But I don't think he should respond. No, me neither, because she'll come out swinging.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, let's dive into Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment, where every Tuesday, Jackie and I select three submissions from swirlies who have written written in tests from around the globe about things going on in their lives. Today we have one update and two submissions. If you ever want to write to us, It's Dear Toasters gmail.com or head over to our website, thetostpodcast.com. scroll down, there's a submission box. Both methods of communication are completely anonymous. Do not worry. Now, which one do we want to read first? The update, maybe.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, you've teased us long enough.

[Claudia Oshry]

Sure. So the original submission was, like, maybe two or three weeks ago about her husband who got a new secretary. And he. She, like, calls him crying a lot. And then they were in the car and she was like, are you alone? And he was like, no one hung up, remember? Do you want to read the full submission?

[Jackie Oshry]

I think so. For other people. People might not be as plugged.

[Claudia Oshry]

My husband recently got a new secretary. She always calls and texts him and cries to him every day about her marriage issues and that she might be getting a divorce. She barely shows up to work, but my husband has not fired her. Last weekend we were away, she called to ask a work question. She was on speaker, and at the end of the call, she asked, are you alone? He quickly said, no and hung up. When I asked him about it, he was like, oh, it's probably nothing, but I don't think it was nothing. Am I crazy? Is it something nefarious going on? I want to snoop, but, like, I don't want to snoop, but maybe I should. And we told her, like, this woman sounds crazy and unprofessional, but trust your gut. Like, just keep an eye on her. Jezebel's must be washed. Hello, I'm the swirly who wrote in a few weeks ago about my husband's secretary calling him after hours to complain about her divorce and asking if he was alone. After writing in, I decided to trust my gut and I went to surprise him at work Last week For his birthday. His office is the last one in the hall. It's private. Nobody can enter from the main office unless they're buzzed in. But I have a key. To make a long story short, I walked in on them making out. I ran out. He ran after me, crying, pleading, saying he's sorry. It's not his fault. He's a sex addict, and I need to give him a chance, and he'll go for help. I want to be there for him and help him. I just really can't move past this. I'm currently at my sister's house, just still in shock and unsure what to do. Anyways, your podcast is the only thing that makes me smile daily, so thank you, swirlies. Love you. Bye.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, my God. It's so crazy, because when you reread the submission, I'm like, this could really be nothing. Like, yes. And maybe, like, I know we dig into everything, but, like, it's probably nothing. Oh, my God, do not go back to him. It doesn't sound like you have kids, so this sex addiction is not your problem. And like, anyone with agreed to not even be like, oh, I messed up to make it about a sex addiction. Like, no. To, like, your first.

[Claudia Oshry]

You. You've just been caught.

[Jackie Oshry]

No.

[Claudia Oshry]

And your first thing is to come up with an excuse. No. No.

[Jackie Oshry]

But the excuse is worse than if you just made a mistake. Because I don't want to go on this journey through sex addiction with you. I don't. I don't want to worry about it for the rest of my life. Like you literally just said, I have a chronic issue. I will never stop.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. And the issue is fidelity. Like, come out.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, no, no. Good day, sir. And I. She would have mentioned if she has kids, so, no, she doesn't run for the hills.

[Claudia Oshry]

Agreed. And I think the lesson here is, like, it's hard not to get carried away, but you really should trust your gut. But sometimes your gut is so crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, also, like, sometimes people are so normal that they don't do so. Like, a crying secretary could be a crying secretary, but your husband's, like, normal, and it's just like this.

[Claudia Oshry]

And when you love your husband as you should, like, you see them as in the best possible light.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. I'm really sorry that that happened to you, but I'm glad you found out. Me, too. Before it was, like, too late. And gets so complicated with kids hooking.

[Jackie Oshry]

Up that you just walked in on one random afternoon.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

And you caught it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. That's what's crazy, you know? God was on your side. Yeah, because they could have just also been working, you know.

[Jackie Oshry]

They could. Yeah, they could have been like just talking.

[Claudia Oshry]

They don't spend the whole workday making out.

[Jackie Oshry]

They could have been talking. She could have been crying and you could have been like, still unclear.

[Claudia Oshry]

It would have been. It could have been something that was excused away.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, but you have clarity. There's nothing better.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I'm sorry. Okay. Hello. I'm in dire need of your help. Trie. I know you can relate since this is your worst nightmare. My mother in law loves to give us gifts, AKA junk for Easter three weeks early, she gave us a bag of that weighs more than my 1 1/2 year old. Upon opening it, 95 of it was old and used. There was cat hair on it. I'm allergic and I hate cats. So I kindly asked if she wanted the bag and the used eggs back. She was mad and told me that I could throw it away. I explained how I don't love clutter and I feel guilty throwing things away. Plus I'm a busy working mom, so donation a trip to the donations bin isn't an ideal thing. She was passive aggressive and now I don't know what to do. I can't handle more junk. And in my house, do I throw it away and try not to feel bad? Do I not accept the junk? Hell. Okay, this is so occasional.

[Jackie Oshry]

Claudia can answer this question.

[Claudia Oshry]

I am someone who, like, if you bring something to my house, I don't even care if it's like plated in gold, it's going in the trash. Like, I hate shit. And I agree, like, it feels so stupid and wasteful and you just want to tell the person bringing you the shit. Like, stop. But we have to act right? And so I don't think you should say anything. I think the fact that you did say anything is like kind of rude. This is your mother in law.

[Jackie Oshry]

So you want to make used eggs back?

[Claudia Oshry]

You need to make peace with throwing shit away. You. It's Marie Kondo is a sparking joy. No, you absolutely have to be okay with throwing things away. Because if you're going to be as militaristic about junk as I am, you can't like tell every. Sometimes people are just being nice. Like you can't tell them that it's ugly and gross and you don't want it. Even though it's ugly and gross and you don't want to just throw it away. You have to get comfortable feeling uncomfortable. And while it's admirable, you Want to go to the donations bin? Please. The people who are using that bin deserve better than your used eggs.

[Jackie Oshry]

Throw it away and keep your mouth shut and keep the peace.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, but that's a real issue. I have it too, and that's what I was just saying. Like, please. And I think. I think my friends and family who listen to this podcast heard me. Like, if you're coming over to my house postpartum, don't bring anything. A cupcake, of course, is always welcome. But, like, don't bring crap.

[Jackie Oshry]

We wouldn't dream of it.

[Claudia Oshry]

And don't bring it with, like, ribbons and cellophane. Like, that's more trash for me.

[Jackie Oshry]

Joyless.

[Claudia Oshry]

Joyless.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes, Joyless.

[Claudia Oshry]

I want to live in a joyless home.

[Jackie Oshry]

Wow.

[Claudia Oshry]

I so stand with this girl. I know, it's. And you work so hard to make your home party. And you especially, like, how hard do you work when you're having company over, Right? Like you, Your house is never cleaner than the second before company comes. Just for them to come with their ugly, like, I hear you. It's disrespectful. Don't. If you're coming over for dinner, don't bring me a gift. I'm good.

[Jackie Oshry]

I won't.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, this one's, like, kind of crazy. Okay. Hi, ladies. I'm feeling like such a brat, but give it to me straight. Am I? My husband and I have worked really hard to make a good living and provide for our family financially in a way that we've always wanted to. And recently, our success has afforded us the ability to join a private club that we are absolutely loving. The club does allow us to bring a limited number of guests, right? Well, here we're gonna find out. Ready? The club does allow us to bring a limited number of guests on site for special events. So my husband is wanting to invite his sister's family to things. Sorry, I don't know why I just stuttered. My husband is wanting to invite his sister's family to things. And here's where I might be a brat. My sister in law and her family are not the elk of country clubbers, if you know what I mean. They don't work if they don't even try to work. They live off of their parents. They're in their late 30s, they're older than us. They do not own the proper attire to event attend events at this venue. To make matters worse, I find them insufferable to be around and impossible to relate to. This makes holiday events especially hard. My PJ of a husband Wants to invite them to country club events and doesn't have an embarrassed bone in his body. He doesn't understand why I have so much anxiety around this. What do I do?

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't like this of her. I don't like people who are embarrassed of their family for reasons like this, that they don't have the right clothes. Like, if you don't want to be around her because she's insufferable, that's a different problem. But, like, agreed. You're at a club and there's a buffet and a million things going on. It's not. You guys really have to chat, but.

[Claudia Oshry]

No one's looking at you.

[Jackie Oshry]

Be, like, embarrassed of them because they're not the elk of country clubbers. Like, that's really snobbish.

[Claudia Oshry]

Agreed. And if there is a dress code, like, a lot of clubs, like, require a man to wear, like, a collared shirt or whatever. Just let them know, yeah, you know.

[Jackie Oshry]

Have a collared shirt. It might be ugly.

[Claudia Oshry]

Who gives?

[Jackie Oshry]

But it will be within the code.

[Claudia Oshry]

I care more about, like, what's on top of the buffet, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're really. You need to completely rejigger your priorities. Sounds like you just hate these people and, like, you're looking for an excuse for them not to come. But Jackie's right. Like, you should never be embarrassed of your family. Like, family's family.

[Jackie Oshry]

Family not want to spend time with them because of their insides, but not because of their outsides.

[Claudia Oshry]

I mean, she just. Mom, do hard. Like, you've been mothered.

[Jackie Oshry]

Sorry. I know. That's like, I. I don't like that to be like. No.

[Claudia Oshry]

But I do think you have a responsibility as the club member to let them know about the dress because you.

[Jackie Oshry]

Don'T want them showing up. And then they'll be embarrassed that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

And they can't come into the dining room. So. Yes. Tell them the dress code. They'll be within dress code. It might not be pretty, but it will be.

[Claudia Oshry]

But they need to know if they can't wear a hat or shorts or flip flop.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

So just like. Like, get over it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Just change your mindset.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Stop. I'm, like, feeling defensive of the sister.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know.

[Claudia Oshry]

I mean, I'm not having jobs. Like, is a little crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. And it's like, they're not the ultra country clubbers, but they're just like these Nepo babies who live right.

[Claudia Oshry]

Their parents are rich enough.

[Jackie Oshry]

Sounds like country clubbers.

[Claudia Oshry]

You so. Sounds like lovers to me. That's a good, good inconsistency. You pointed out.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Interesting follow up. Do let us know. Yeah. Guys, that's our show. A nalafi for you. Is it off?

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm flying.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, it's like an hour 10. I know. You are flying blind. You need to get a clock.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, the thing is, I look at. I know what time we start and then I have a sense how we're pacing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, I have a sense that today's episode is over and I've had such a pleasure being here with you, but my spidey senses are telling me to wrap up.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm older than me too. Thank you so much for listening to the toast of Monday morning show where we Deliver the Fast5 stories you need to do every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching this on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as podcasts anywhere podcast can be found. So it's Spotify, Tune stitcher Public radio. I cast box all the places where we listen to podcasts. Find us the toast. Leave a five star review. Yes, yes, of course about how beautiful, about a stunning and of course about how wickedly talented we are.

[Jackie Oshry]

Love ya.

[Claudia Oshry]

Bye.