Cooper, Earle and The Rural Juror: Tuesday, April 14th, 2026

Summary

The Toast Podcast Summary

Episode: Cooper, Earle and The Rural Juror: Tuesday, April 14th, 2026
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: April 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively Tuesday installment, Jackie & Claudia Oshry (“Jackson Claude”) break down the biggest pop culture story of the moment: the escalating feud between Alex Cooper and Alex Earl, widely discussed as "Licks vs Lex." The sisters also reminisce about family moments, dissect social media behavior, react to recent celebrity news—including a polar expedition, viral Coachella moments, and a shocking accusation against Katy Perry—and close out with their "Dear Toasters" advice segment. Their trademark banter and personal anecdotes keep the episode engaging, insightful, and always a bit cheeky.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jackie’s Breastfeeding Journey & Return to Botox

• Jackie shares her emotional journey of weaning off breastfeeding (00:47).
  • "It's definitely bittersweet, but I feel buoyed by the fact that ... it just all sort of came together." – Jackie (01:09)
• Looking forward to self-care: books her first Botox appointment in over two years.
  • "Can you believe? Over two years, no Botox." – Jackie (02:47)

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2. Social Media Etiquette and Family Nostalgia

• Claudia reflects on social media “liking” behaviors, underlining that online signals aren’t always indicative of real relationships (03:42).
  • "If I'm not liking someone, shit, actually, like, it's not a slight. Honestly, if I'm liking their stuff, you should be more concerned." – Claudia (04:17)
• The siblings revisit their Bat Mitzvah VHS, now digitized, recalling their sister Margot’s transformation from adorable little sister to formidable adult (05:13–08:39).
  • "I forget that, like, for the majority of our lives, she was like our chubby cheeked little sister." – Claudia (05:34)

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3. Mahjong Nights & Friendly Rivalries

• Recap of Claudia’s mahjong game, highlighting the intensity of friendly competition and etiquette debates (09:18).
  • "My friend Rachel is insane...She was moving the game along." – Claudia (10:08)
  • The group nuances between playing styles in Florida (day) vs. other locations (night) (10:52).

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4. The ‘Licks vs Lex’ Feud: Alex Cooper vs. Alex Earl

This is the major topic and gets the most in-depth discussion.

a. Background & Internet Reactions

• Both hosts have been following signs of tension for months, feeling vindicated as the feud goes public (03:04, 13:14).
  • "I have been following this story since the very beginning. I knew something was wrong the second she signed with Unwell." – Claudia (11:53)
• Claudia feels most of TikTok and Gen Z stan Alex Earl and see Alex Cooper’s move as calculated but not well-liked (13:45).
• A viral TikTok discussing the feud led to misunderstandings about the hosts’ stance (12:18).

b. Dave Portnoy’s Input & Social Media Sleuthing

• Dave Portnoy comments, hinting a falling out was about an Alex Earl Carl’s Jr. campaign and possible mismanagement or conflicts over who deserved credit/money (20:09–24:43).
• The complexity of “Unwell” as both a network and agency muddles the business side—questions arise about who should get a cut of what and why (21:38–23:39).

c. Publicist, Agent, and Business Decision Drama

• Connected publicists/agents and the difference between Alex Earl’s & Alex Cooper’s subsequent relationships with them complicate the narrative (25:11–26:51).
  • "Everyone’s responsible for their own selves...if you made me, like, led me to make a bad business decision, like, that's not the sort of business I want to be in." – Jackie (26:21)

d. Speculation on Next Moves

• The hosts weigh possible formats for Alex Earl’s response (YouTube, TikTok, a podcast with her dad) and stress the urgency of addressing the drama while it’s fresh (27:26–31:23).
• They strive to remain objective despite personal industry ties (31:25–34:41).
  • "I think it speaks to your character when you’re beloved in a personal sense. I don’t think Alex Cooper has that." – Claudia (32:25)

e. Deliberating Like Jurors

• The “Rural Juror” joke recurs as the sisters describe themselves as careful, evidence-driven observers (“jurors”) monitoring all sides before choosing allegiance (36:02–37:47).

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5. Other Noteworthy Stories

a. Brooks Nader’s Polar Expedition (Support of Women’s Health) (38:14)

• Brooks Nader and her sisters embark on an arctic journey for a women’s health study, with the hosts poking fun at the over-the-top campaign style yet supporting the cause.
  • "What the is this, like, genuinely?...They did, like, a sexy Arctic shoot where they're, like, naked in bikinis on a snow mountain." – Claudia (39:00)

b. Ruby Rose Accuses Katy Perry of Assault (42:11)

• Ruby Rose’s public accusation against Katy Perry is discussed; context, media responses, and skepticism over Ruby’s social media history included.
  • "It's disgusting if true. It's also just kind of like a crazy. I guess this is how she wants to share her truth now, but it's kind of like a crazy way to just, like, you know, throw this out there." – Jackie (45:00)

c. Kim Kardashian, Lewis Hamilton, and the Lewis Capaldi Mix-Up (46:24)

• A viral moment when Kim Kardashian is seen at Coachella with Lewis Hamilton, but a meme misidentifies him as Lewis Capaldi—Capaldi's troll response is celebrated.
  • "Wow, guys, not cool. Such an invasion of our privacy." – Lewis Capaldi via Claudia (47:46)

d. Amanda Batula’s 420 Jimmy John’s Campaign (54:24)

• Amanda Batula’s appearance in a Jimmy John’s “Dream [Sandwich] Rotation” campaign for 4/20 prompts a discussion about the shifting winds of cancel culture and “famous potheads” (54:38–56:35).

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6. Dear Toasters: Weekly Advice Segment (57:11)

• Push Present Dilemma: Listener’s husband wants a pricier “commemorative” watch post-birth.
  • "His commemorative gift being four times the price of yours is just unacceptable." – Claudia (58:35)
• Plastic Fork Reuse at Work: Office colleague’s odd habit disturbs a pregnant listener.
  • "She absolutely has to be stopped. You need to tell everyone about this." – Jackie (61:07)
• Suspicious Nail Under the Bed: Listener finds a fake fingernail under her side of the bed and wonders if her spouse is cheating or something else is at play.
  • "It's a brick on the yellow brick road. I would just keep walking. Keep your head on a swivel." – Claudia (64:00)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On public social media beef:
  • "The girls don't beef. It's cold war till the end...So when it happens, I am always surprised." – Jackie (03:19)
• On personal bias and podcasting:
  • "I just want to let [Alex Cooper] know, like, I can be bought." – Claudia (34:00, playfully)
• On industry relationships:
  • "I do think it speaks to...the content of your character when you're just constantly beloved by people in a personal sense." – Claudia (32:54)
• Mahjong competitiveness:
  • “I never want to play with Rachel again.” – Claudia (10:01)
• Family nostalgia:
  • "I just love Margo so much." – Jackie (07:17)
• The search for objectivity:
  • "I'm being like a jury member." – Jackie (35:54)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Jackie talks about weaning off breastfeeding: 00:47–01:52
• Botox/grappling with aging post-motherhood: 01:56–02:47
• Alex Cooper vs. Alex Earl feud deep dive: 03:04; resumes at 11:17 and continues through 37:51
• Portnoy’s speculation about the feud: 20:09–24:43
• Business/agency discussion & fallout: 25:11–27:13
• Debate over whether hosts can stay objective: 31:25–34:41
• Brooks Nader’s women’s health polar trip: 38:14–41:53
• Ruby Rose/Katy Perry accusation: 42:11–45:27
• Kim Kardashian and Lewis Hamilton/Capaldi meme: 46:24–49:53
• Amanda Batula’s Jimmy John’s campaign: 54:24–56:35
• Dear Toasters advice letters: 57:11–67:43

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Tone & Style

The conversation is consistently irreverent, self-deprecating, and peppered with insider podcast/industry commentary. The hosts balance personal stories, pop culture insights, and advice with humor. Even when facing serious topics, they approach them with a blend of skepticism and empathy.

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For First-Time Listeners

This episode provides a comprehensive, real-time analysis of one of pop culture’s buzziest conflicts (Cooper vs. Earl), layered with unique industry perspective, family camaraderie, and the kind of unfiltered hot takes The Toast is known for. If you’re interested in social media dynamics, influencer drama, and sisterly banter, this episode’s a perfect entry point.

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Transcript

[Jackie]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

[Jackson Claude]

It's your favorite show.

[Jackie]

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[Jackson Claude]

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.

[Jackie]

They sound amazing.

[Jackson Claude]

Welcome back to the Toast and happy Tuesday. That's right, it's Tuesday Tuesday, and I'm sitting down five foot, located in south Florida. It's Jacqueline Follet.

[Jackie]

The crowd goes wild.

[Jackson Claude]

97 pounds, 5ft tall,

[Jackie]

soon to be 95. Because updated my life. Today is actually the first day so far that I am not breastfeeding. Like, usually I start every day breastfeeding and today I'm like, I'm pretty much been weaning and like, if I get through today without, then I'm done.

[Jackson Claude]

Did you cry?

[Jackie]

No.

[Jackson Claude]

You're not emo about it.

[Jackie]

I am. Like, I have a lot of feelings about it, but not in like, I'm crying sort of way. It's definitely bittersweet, but I feel buoyed by the fact that as much as I was like, ready to stop in these weeks, it sort of happened naturally between allergy season, getting sick and traveling and just like, it just all sort of came together. Like last week I had allergies. I took Zyrtec. My supply went down. I was planning on stopping anyway, so, like, it wasn't. I had to do an abrupt stop. Like, it just sort of ended for me. That was like with Charlie too, when he like, popped a tooth, it was no longer a match. And that sort of made the decision for me. So I'm sort of glad that it worked out and I was on my way down at the time that I was ready to be done.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, welcome back.

[Jackie]

We're so excited to be all the way back yet. But like, we're back.

[Jackson Claude]

But you made your Botox appointment.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I made my Botox appointment. But like, she's so busy, so it's not until the end of the month. Which gave me like a little wiggle room in case I like, change my mind or whatever. I want to go a few days longer, change my mind in terms of like, breastfeeding. So it's not like, oh, I'm getting Botox tomorrow. Like, I'm done.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

You know, cuz if I still am, like, making milk, I could like, throw in a little top, a little. A little nursing session. So I'm so excited for my Botox. Like, oh, my gosh, I'm so sick. Like, Zach's always like, what's wrong? I'm like, it's just how my face looks.

[Jackson Claude]

My face? Yeah, it's just the way my eyes. Energy.

[Jackie]

Any bit of sunshine, I'm, like, furrowing any brightness. I look angry, but I'm not. I'm. That's just my forehead at the moment. So I'm, like, really excited for that.

[Jackson Claude]

Those who know, you know in deep inside. You're not an angry person.

[Jackie]

No, no. I just haven't had Botox in two years. Two years? Over two.

[Jackson Claude]

It was his 50th birthday.

[Jackie]

Can you believe? Over two years, no Botox. Because I, like, really, I. I didn't do. I didn't plan well, you know?

[Jackson Claude]

What a day. Don't you feel like yesterday was such a day?

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, my phone was just blowing up all day. And I love, love, love, love, love, love, love that when people see Alex Earl and Alex Cooper fighting, like, the first person they think of is me. I feel like I have been onto this since. Since day one. Like, if you listen to this show, none of this is a surprise.

[Jackie]

No, I'm sorry. It will always be a surprise to me when people. When people make things so public and such, like, an admission. You know, I've said before, like, these days, the girls don't beef. It's cold war till the end. Like, no one is unfollowing another talking trash. No one wants to be a mean girl. So when it happens, I am always surprised. I'm like, well, damn, this doesn't happen anymore.

[Jackson Claude]

It's true. You know, I was actually thinking about that on my way to work this morning because I feel like a lot of the ways that people speculate online that two people are beefing is by whether or not they've liked their recent Instagram photos. And I remember, like, a year ago, my sister Margo sat me down and she was like, you never like my pictures. I'm like, I don't. I've seen all of them. Like, so we together, like, went on our Instagram. Jackie. I hadn't liked a photo of hers in, like, three years. I scroll. Like, it's so much energy for me to leave a comment. Like, I try to be better about it, but just know, like, if I'm not. Not liking someone, shit. Actually, like, I. It's not a slight. Honestly, if I'm liking their stuff, you should be more concerned.

[Jackie]

Like, yeah, you have something to prove. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, I'm so bad about it. Like, unless I really, like, see something and I'm shocked at how gorgeous you look. Like, if it stops me in my tracks, or you announce something like, really big and major, and I'm, like, actually shocked. Like, then I will take. But for the most part, the way I engage, like, I say, yeah, no,

[Jackie]

I remember Margot being like, you guys don't like my stuff. And also, like, I know we're like a sisters. We should comment on every single thing each other does. Like, that's why you should do as sisters. But, like, first of all, she posts a lot. And, like, I've just. My brain has been mushing. Like, how many times can I be like, the bunk is jumping? Like, I just feel sort of like stupid and uncreative and so I get sort of nervous and I don't leave a comment. But then I realize, like, she'd rather just like a fire emoji than nothing.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, the place looks great. It always does. Thank you.

[Jackie]

The way she's an icon. She's a moment. I have not stopped saying that. And also, like, now when I'm excited for something, it's like, then one day I'll also know what it feels like

[Jackson Claude]

to be there, to be waiting for it for weeks. So we got our bar mitzvah. It's Olivia and Jackie's about. We told you guys this story last week that while we were cleaning out a closet, we finally found the VHS that we've been looking for for literally 15 years, which is the tape of Jackie and Olivia's Bat Mitzvah. I had it digitized. It's 90 minutes long. I have. It's on Dropbox. Like, I sent it to everyone and I haven't watched it. I think we plan on, like, watching it in full, but I scrolled through and like, found really cute clips that I shared on our Instagram. And it brought me back to so, like, I know Margo now our little sister as, like, you know, she's too cool for us. She's like sickening the house down, like, putting Luke's together. Corporate girl. I forget that, like, for the majority of our lives, she was like our chubby cheeked little sister who had like these two big front teeth and was just the cutest thing on the planet. Like, we were so affectionate with her, we couldn't keep our hands off of her. She was so cute and she loved us so much. And then she, like, grew up and hated us, of course. But, like, I forget that, like, that's what she used to be like, you know?

[Jackie]

I do know. And I feel like when watching the video and the clips that we've seen, but I also haven't watched the Whole thing. Like, of course, like, everyone's like shook by Claudia being so Claudia.

[Jackson Claude]

No, but there's nothing shookworthy about it.

[Jackie]

I'm exactly like, you know, living for like you and living for me and. But for me, the takeaway from that video is Sachi, of course, Margot.

[Jackson Claude]

Claudia, your infectious spirit leaves us all laughing like Margot.

[Jackie]

Like in all the scenes we didn't post these where we're like all dancing and she's like working so hard. At one point she's like out of breath and you know, she's like up past her bedtime, like trying to keep up with the big kids. This is like the best night of her life. She's like dancing with her little best friend who had like, we were family friends, so she had like a friend there and she's like up on the stage like following the moves of the dance motivator and like huffing.

[Jackson Claude]

It's just, it's actually too much.

[Jackie]

Videographer, like definitely knew that in 30 years, like we'd want to see her in this moment. And he's like doing close ups. He put some like remixes on her, like where she's in black and white,

[Jackson Claude]

like dancing, like a little montage moment.

[Jackie]

It's really special. And I just, I love Margo so

[Jackson Claude]

much, you know, I love Margo so much. And the funny thing is, like she was at the age where she had a guy.

[Jackie]

For all of you who tell her when we talk about her on the podcast, make sure to send her this.

[Jackson Claude]

What's funny is that like at that age, like we all had sort of started to like become who we are. Like, I can see so many similarities. I was watching the candlelighting ceremony and Olivia's being so ballsy, like. And that's Olivia.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

You are like giving side eye but like, you know, front facing, like, yes, this is. And that's so you me like cracked out, rolling my eyes, like life of the party, flipping my hair around. I am that girl. But Margo, like hadn't discovered who she was yet. So she's just this like, I can't take it. Like she's this little innocent, little like chubby cheeked and you know, she got her hair straightened like for the first time and it's the best night of her life. She's been waiting for it for weeks. And I just love her.

[Jackie]

I just love like it made me so emo because there's a lot of times the video where we're like talking and we're like so excited and you, I don't Remember it this way, but in watching it, it's, like, clear that for so many, like, weeks and months leading up to the party, like, in our house, it was just the biggest deal, like, all we've been talking about. We did so much planning, like, shopping for our dress and everything. And, like, you can just, like, see it on our faces. Like, we've been waiting for this moment and now we know how it feels.

[Jackson Claude]

And the place looks great. It always does. Thank you.

[Jackie]

It's a haiku.

[Jackson Claude]

I fucking love that video. Like, it has given me new life. Actually, I played mahjong last night with my friends, and it came up. And when I tell you I played the video again, they. We were. It was like silent laughter. Everybody had tears in their eyes. My friend Margot was actually crying. Just that the place looks great. It always does.

[Jackie]

No, and in the extended version, you, like, clipped a little bit for our Instagram, but you guys obviously spoke more like. She keeps talking about, like, the plate, like, the club and how the club looks.

[Jackson Claude]

I just. I can't. She's so sweet, Sachi.

[Jackie]

Like, she's so sweet. How did you play last night? Mahjong.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, ass.

[Jackie]

Really?

[Jackson Claude]

Well, actually, not like ass. So my friend Rachel is insane. This was. She's a savant. It was her first time even playing with the 2026 card. I was like, oh, you obviously have practiced for months. She was like, no, no, it's my first time playing. She's just, like, like, very skilled at mahjong. She won every single game. And so many times. I was getting so close, like, multiple times. I didn't even play bad, actually. Yeah, she played insane. I can't believe she's so toxic.

[Jackie]

She won every.

[Jackson Claude]

Every game. We had a wall game.

[Jackie]

Well, let me ask you something. Like, if someone wins every game and they're so, so good at mahjong, like, play with them. Not to shade Rachel. I'm just asking in general, does that make you want to play with them?

[Jackson Claude]

More or less. Less. I never want to play with Rachel again.

[Jackie]

Right, right.

[Jackson Claude]

I got into bed and Ben was like, you're really tense. I'm like, I lost.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It's like, you don't want to be too good because then nobody wants to play with you.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay. Except though, like, where Rachel lacks in, like, the always winning thing, she was moving the game along. Like, oh, my friends are so slow. Like, it kills me. They were chatting and on their phones and getting snacks, and Rachel was, like, literally handing everyone their tiles. She actually said her etiquette. I never heard this before her etiquette is when it's your wall, you're required to push a piece to everyone. Like nobody has to get their own.

[Jackie]

Well, I love that I'm always reaching over. I now I won't wear long sleeves. I'm playing Maj after this. I was trying to dress for Maj and the toast and I like, my brain was like breaking and I'm like, okay, let me just put on an outfit for the toast and then I'll change fromage because I can't wear long sleeves. I knock over all the tiles.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, it was kind of a good system. Unless, like it's your wall, like, who wants to push out to everyone.

[Jackie]

Oh, I don't mind. I'm really locked in when we play. Like, the difference between playing here is

[Jackson Claude]

like everybody plays at night in Florida. Everyone plays during the day. And I really, I definitely prefer day

[Jackie]

people play at night here too. I just, I can't partake in those sorts of activities.

[Jackson Claude]

Everyone was at my house till 11pm and honestly, I wanted to play. Three out of four of us wanted to keep playing. But Margot was like, not my sister, my friend Margot. She was like. And she lives the closest to me. She was like, I have to go home.

[Jackie]

I mean, it sounds like a late, wild night.

[Jackson Claude]

We're so crazy.

[Jackie]

We are so crazy.

[Jackson Claude]

Today's episode is just jam packed. Like Licks vs Lex has continued to develop. I imagine it'll be a developing story. Dave Portnoy has weighed in. Alex Earl has responded very briefly. People are like speaking out, giving their theories, you know, dissecting both videos, comments, history, and it's just an exciting time. I'm sorry, I hate to be like shot in Freud where like two girls are fighting, but personally, this is one of the best things to ever happen to me because like I said, I have, I feel so vindicated. Like I have been following this story since the very beginning. I knew something was wrong the second she signed with Unwell. It was one of the worst business decisions that I. There's nothing wrong with Unwell. This is one of the worst business decisions on Alex Earl's part. But a slayer on Alex Hooper's part on.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, a major get for a new network.

[Jackson Claude]

Our clip, you know, we spoke about it very briefly yesterday and I feel like I've had a lot of time to digest. And also it's been very interesting to see people's reactions because while I really wholeheartedly agreed with your assessment that whether you like Alix Earl or Alex Cooper better, you really like really can't deny that, like, the video in the position that that video put Alex Earl in was quite brilliant. Nobody agrees with that. Our video on Tick Tock, like, went so viral. They hate us.

[Jackie]

I feel like they hate they. We misunderstood because I felt like they thought we were taking a side in that clip because you said at one point, I'm on Alex Cooper's side just because I'm so glad she's bringing this to the fore, but so that I

[Jackson Claude]

could talk about it.

[Jackie]

But, like, they misunderstood what you meant because actually, I feel kind of agnostic about this. And that's what's, like, a little bit frustrating for me and also maybe for people listening, it's like, I don't really feel like I'm going to throw my weight behind one side yet.

[Jackson Claude]

Me neither.

[Jackie]

I'm waiting and seeing on this one.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, the Internet has completely thrown their weight behind Alex Earl. Like, they didn't think Alex Cooper's video was as like. And when I say the Internet, I mean, TikTok, like, this is really my whole for you page. Like, everyone is talking about this. So that's really where I think, like, I'm reading people. I don't know if they're talking about it on reels or Tik tok or Twitter or whatever, but TikTok, they just love Alex Earl. She's their girl. You know, she's never abandoned them, and she really is very beloved. And we were talking about last week how it does feel like the Q score, the general, like, audience approval of Alex Cooper has started to turn recently. I think she's like, people, you know, as they do. Likeability is a prison. You're only popular until you're not. People have just started to dislike her and then take a look back at Sophia, like, and all the things. And so I think that's just working against her. Although I don't think think that necessarily reflects any wrongdoing in this.

[Jackie]

In this situation. Yeah, yeah, no, that all makes sense. Like, you can, like, prefer Alex Earl more, but objectively, that was a shrewd move yesterday.

[Jackson Claude]

I agree.

[Jackie]

But let's get into it in the stories you want to jump in.

[Jackson Claude]

Anything else we want to talk about? Oh, broke my finger this morning about a new nightstand. I was just, like, feeling crazy and I was like, you know, moving around and, like, actually broke my finger. And of course, I had to text Ben that it was his fault.

[Jackie]

Was it?

[Jackson Claude]

Well, why weren't you home to help me with the nightstands that were delivered this morning, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

And why? Why was it. Because where was he? Correct.

[Jackie]

Wow.

[Jackson Claude]

And, like, literally my finger is gonna be dead ass broken. It still hurts. Ugh.

[Jackie]

I'm sorry.

[Jackson Claude]

It's just like. And I know I said yesterday, like, here I was praising Ben, like, let your husband do stuff, and it's like, I'm moving furniture.

[Jackie]

Right. You could have waited. Alternatively, you could have waited, but I understand the excitement. New furniture.

[Jackson Claude]

I can't wait.

[Jackie]

You want to see it in the space?

[Jackson Claude]

If there's something in my house that, like, will advance the house.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm setting it up come hell or high water. People who, like, leave furniture, like, in boxes, girl, like, that could never be me.

[Jackie]

Yeah. No. It's very exciting to look at something new.

[Jackson Claude]

100%.

[Jackie]

Yeah. That's like me in my kitchen.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

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[Jackson Claude]

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[Jackie]

Thanks. Period.

[Jackson Claude]

You know, I know that like all this stuck up period. This makes you feel so proud.

[Jackie]

Proud? Is that what you said? Yes, very proud. Our first story, continuing our conversation from Yesterday about Licks vs Lex. Two updates and change. But first, Alex Earl responded briefly to Alex Cooper's video. She reposted it and commented on the video demanding that she now spill the tea after weeks of passive aggression. I would say it months actually, she replied, saying okay on it with two exclamation points.

[Jackson Claude]

Do you think that the girl who made the original video, the Bravo mom, like, is she okay? I wouldn't be. Like, I literally wouldn't be.

[Jackie]

She may not be okay after Dave Portnoy's video.

[Jackson Claude]

Right? So then Dave Portnoy also chimed in, who is somebody I definitely like needed to Hear from. Yeah, he did come at it definitely from like a defensive stance on behalf of Alex Cooper and I respect that.

[Jackie]

Like, that's so I felt like he was very middle. I feel like he has good relationships with both of them. I feel like they are both big names in the industry and they're both not going anywhere. So I don't think anyone would want to be on the wrong side of either of them. I did not feel like he was taking a side in that video whatsoever.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I did.

[Jackie]

You thought he was taking Alex Cooper side?

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, not in like such a heavy handed way, but I think he's just defensive of her, which I get. And yeah, I thought he was taking it from her side. And he said something and then retracted. Because before he retracted, I was like, oh, this was a piece of tea. I didn't know. He said a large part of their falling out had to do with Alex Earl's Carl's junior Campaign, which, if you don't know, like a year or two ago, she became like one of the new girls in the Carl Jr. Commercials, which are like, in terms of pop culture, historically very iconic. It's like a sexy girl in a bathing suit eating a big burger, like on a car. Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan and the new age was the Alex Earl. I thought it was great. And he had referenced but then retracted that. That commercial played a large part in their downfall, either because Alex Cooper wanted the gig for herself or because Alex Cooper felt she was entitled to a piece of it financially.

[Jackie]

So here's what's confusing. Unwell is like a podcast network and a content network, but it's also a talent agency.

[Jackson Claude]

Yes. As far as I know, they signed one girl one time 10 years ago. And like, I don't know if they ever signed anyone else. And as far as talent, talent, that girl Halle, who, by the way, was spotted making out at Coachella with Chase.

[Jackie]

I saw that.

[Jackson Claude]

Secret Lives.

[Jackie]

But how do you know that she was signed as talent and not just podcast? Like, why is.

[Jackson Claude]

It was a big announcement? I remember they're also just. They made a big announcement when they were like becoming also a talent agency and they announced that their first girl was. Their first client was Halle. And you know, she has a bunch of podcasts. Grace o'. Malley. Grace o' Malley's not a client of them as an agency. I think she has her own agent,

[Jackie]

you know, talent network. So, like.

[Jackson Claude]

Right.

[Jackie]

Any brand deals or commercials.

[Jackson Claude]

That's what's confusing about Unwell. And I think they do well because they do so Many things. But they are like a dear media where they're a network that hosts shows and sells ads for them. They're also like a UTA WME talent agency where they have clients. Question mark. They also produce movies. So they're like production company. I don't know the names of any, like, you know, sire. The ones that make all the Bravo shows, like Sirens or whatever. They also host events like. So I'm not 100%.

[Jackie]

So in this capacity, it's unclear if, like Alex Earl was part of the Unwell as a talent agency. I don't think that she was.

[Jackson Claude]

No, she never was. They. They have the same agent that also is. They have the same publicist for many years, not anymore. They had the same agent at UTA who was doing all their deals.

[Jackie]

If Alex was doing Carl's junior Like that should not have been commissioned by Unwell.

[Jackson Claude]

Unless maybe Unwell, like a part of the thing was. Unwell could produce it. Produce it? The commercial. You know something?

[Jackie]

This is that when Dave said that, that was the first time I. I heard of Carl's Jr. Playing a part in the demise of the relationship. But it might have been the first thing. Like maybe Unwell wanted a piece of it. But that just doesn't sound right. Unwell should get no piece of that.

[Jackson Claude]

Agreed. But maybe that's why Alexar was pissed.

[Jackie]

So. So name them. Just say that name. And then I just want to say

[Jackson Claude]

I know that he then released another video saying he spoke to Alex Cooper and Alex Cooper said she would never do that commercial. So that's not what it's about. I feel like there's a sliver of truth to something about the Carl's Jr thing. Not that Alex Cooper wanted to be the one eating the burger, I don't think, because she doesn't give me that vibe at all. I don't think I've ever seen her in a bathing suit. She's actually quite modest, like always in her sweatpants, but maybe more back end.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah. And that might have been the. The kickoff for things going south and then, you know, bringing up things that happened before and things that happened after. So that was like an interesting tidbit. And then he also said the same thing, which is that Alex Earl should have never taken that deal. And that's what we said. And that's why it was never going to end. Well, because you go to a network like that or even Barstool, it's a similar thing because, like, you benefit from the distribution and everybody else and the

[Jackson Claude]

they market less because you rely on them so much.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Jackson Claude]

A million things.

[Jackie]

But to have such a big fish, she. It doesn't really work.

[Jackson Claude]

What I find so interesting about all of this is that I think Alex Earl would agree that going to Unwell was a bad call for her. And I think maybe even doing a podcast in general was a bad call for her, and she can, you know, take responsibility for that. But I also think, like, the people who encourage that decision, like I said, they shared a publicist and they shared an agent at the time. And Alex Earl still works with both of those people, but, like, I was.

[Jackie]

Alarius Cooper still work with both of those people.

[Jackson Claude]

So the shared publicist is actually not a publicist anymore. She, like, left the biz to do, like, brand consulting, and she does that.

[Jackie]

And that's that day port. And I was talking about, she does

[Jackson Claude]

that for Alex Earl, I believe. I think the Alex Cooper part is so curious to me because they were friends first. They were co workers, partners, and then friends first. Kate Bailey and Alex Cooper. And then I remember when Alex Cooper got married, Kate Bailey wasn't there. And I know, like, you don't invite your publicist. You're.

[Jackie]

What?

[Jackson Claude]

But they were so close.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

So that was the first time I was like, oh, they're not friends anymore. And then I heard a while later that they weren't even working together anymore. So I was like, oh, that's suspicious.

[Jackie]

But you're saying she's also not a publicist anymore.

[Jackson Claude]

No, she's not. She does, like, brand consulting work. So she still works with some of her clients. Like Alex Earl.

[Jackie]

Okay, but not Alex. Yeah, I guess she could have done brand consulting work over there.

[Jackson Claude]

Absolutely. So I think that's. But so they share an agent, they shared a publicist, and, like, don't you think Alex Earl would be mattering at the people who encouraged her to do it?

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Jackson Claude]

No, but, you know, everyone's responsible for their own selves, you know, like.

[Jackie]

Yeah, no, no, but it's business. And so, like, if you made me, like, led me to make a bad business decision, like, that's not the sort of business I want to be in.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, and I think that's why her dad is so involved in her business, because he thinks that maybe she was mismanaged in the beginning. Yes.

[Jackie]

So it is curious if Alex Earl wound up staying with these people who walked her into a bad business decision and Alex Cooper didn't. Even though it was a good decision for Alex Cooper, she had nothing, of course, everything to gain, which makes it not make sense. Which makes me feel like this isn't the story exactly.

[Jackson Claude]

No, I don't think it has to do with the public. A lot of people are looking a lot into Kate Bailey as something because she's not. I think her and Alex Cooper maybe had like a personal falling out and then she had a career change and ended up doing something else and doing it with Alex Earl. I don't think that that's what this is about. I really don't. I don't know what it's about.

[Jackie]

No. I don't think they're like fighting over the girl. But it's just curious to me if, like those people helped Alex Earl make this poor decision that, like, she continues to make decisions with them.

[Jackson Claude]

100.

[Jackie]

So something doesn't add up. And that's what I mean. Alex Earl has a lot of explaining to do.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. She said, what format? What do you think we're getting? Like, she could do her get real with me YouTube podcast.

[Jackie]

She could get real with me YouTube podcast with Sophia Franklin.

[Jackson Claude]

So a lot of people say she could go on Sophia with an F. Although that I don't think would be. It would be like tea. But I don't think it would be the best way for her to get her story across. I think she should seriously just sit down, do her makeup and do a tick tock. Like the way she. Because Alex's was tick tock.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Show her receipts or whatever. Like, I'm so sad.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

And just for anyone listening on today's show, like, if Alex Earl's drops a video or something, like, seriously sound the alarms. Don't let us go the whole show. Okay. Can everyone hear me? Yeah. Okay.

[Jackie]

She should do a Get Real with Me with her dad where he explains why the business was not businessing. Interesting.

[Jackson Claude]

Now people did, of course, do some digging. The video Alex Cooper posted is old.

[Jackie]

What does that mean?

[Jackson Claude]

So because on Sunday night. No, on. Did I say Alex Earl? I meant Alex Cooper.

[Jackie]

You said Alex Cooper.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay. So Alex Cooper on Sunday night was at Coachella, posted a mirror picture with her friends.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

She had red nails. Ruby red, like dark nails. The video, she has like a grown out, like. So it's like an old light, light, light nude manicure. And she has a pimple on her chin. And she has that same pimple. This is. Somebody put it together on Tick Tock. I think her name was Katie. Shout Out. The pimple was also featured in Alex Warren's podcast episode Covered Up. But we saw it, you guys.

[Jackie]

You can't breathe. First of all that makes no sense because Alex Earl hadn't reposted Bravo, Mom. When she recorded Alex Warren.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, that's really true.

[Jackie]

So I think it's literally. It's from like, Friday before she got her nails done from for Coachella. And she has a pimple in roughly the same area. Like, I'm sorry, girl can't even have a pimple. That makes no sense.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Jackie]

Right. Because she said reposts in her video. Right? Didn't she?

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, she did. No, you're right, you're right, you're right.

[Jackie]

It's really not that difficult, but.

[Jackson Claude]

Wow. Yeah. Wow.

[Jackie]

The nail polish, it's giving like the. The hills. When, like, Lauren Conrad, like, filmed a breakup conversation with Brody, like, after a night out, but her nail polish was different.

[Jackson Claude]

And oh my God.

[Jackie]

Realized it was like, not at the same time.

[Jackson Claude]

When I was pregnant with Ruby, like, people literally knew my due date because, like, when I found out, I decided to do this, like, insanely red bright. And then like, they matched it up with the toast and like, they literally knew when I was pregnant. So I get the same nails, like, and not for this reason, but, like, to one color.

[Jackie]

Like, sometimes I'll record an ad that needs to get, like, approved.

[Jackson Claude]

So.

[Jackie]

And it's like something with my. Like, I'm holding something so you can see my nails are going out. And then like, I have to post it the next day, but I got a manicure later that day. I feel like such a.

[Jackson Claude]

Such a fraud. Such a fraud. So I do want to say I think the best way because especially because TikTok is so on her side. They didn't think Alex's video was a slay. They thought it was cringe the way she was talking to camera. Like, they didn't think she was serving. And so they're just the comments I've heard. Alex Cooper is, like, deleting a lot of comments. I saw people saying that.

[Jackie]

People always say that. People say that about us all the time. I never delete comments.

[Jackson Claude]

No. Like, maybe your comment sucks. And so it went to the bottom.

[Jackie]

No, like, I never. I just don't. I don't know where your comment. When I didn't delete it.

[Jackson Claude]

No. And I love when I. When people comment like, oh, we're deleting comments. I see. And it's like, that's the number one comment. Like, no, we're actually not. Look at your comment.

[Jackie]

You know what I mean? You're still here.

[Jackson Claude]

Also, I think Tick Tock is the best forum for this for many reasons, including that.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it just, like, it kind of sucks. Like. Like, I just feel like for Alex Earl, it's just even her commenting on the video, like, okay, on it. It's like, Alex Cooper sort of, like, already winning and, like, telling her what to do.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Control. Yeah. Like, so I look forward to the video, hopefully. It's like, we're running low on time here.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. This. This needs to happen quickly.

[Jackie]

It does need to happen quickly. And I want to say, like, I know people on Tick Tock are saying Alex Uber wasn't as, like, whatever object. I'm looking at this objectively because I have no horse in this race, and I feel like I actually have a little bit of expertise on the matter because we do podcasts and we're in the biz and we work with the network, so I feel like a pretty good.

[Jackson Claude]

And I have to say, like, I've met Alix Earl. She's unbelievably nice. Like, a little. Really? Before she blew up, and she still, like, still follows me. She still likes my stuff. Like, she's actually, like, a nice girl.

[Jackie]

You actually have bias.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, I guess because I've never met Alex Hooper.

[Jackie]

We had a meeting with her one time.

[Jackson Claude]

She follows me, and I wouldn't say she's, like, heavily engaged with my content. If she does want the toast to start, like, skewing Pro Cooper, like, throw me a.

[Jackie]

Like, so you can be. Yeah, you could be, is what you're saying.

[Jackson Claude]

No, no, I can't be bought. I'm just like, you know, of course your own personal interactions with people are gonna sway. And, like, Alex Earl is just, like. She's kind of, like, above and beyond. She follows Sachi like, she's me and Sachi met her at, like, this. Yeah, she's like a queen like that. Like, I'm sorry.

[Jackie]

Well, you know, I met her right

[Jackson Claude]

as she was taking off, like, and you know what? I do feel like her. It really kind of speaks to her character that, like, she has so many friends. People love her. She's always making new friends in the industry. And I don't think you can really say that about Alex Cooper. I think, like, a criticism of her is that, like, she has no friends in the industry in terms of, like, the other podcasting swirly.

[Jackie]

And influencers.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, and influencers. Right. And, like, maybe she's just on another level. Like, she's friends with Margot Robbie.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Jackson Claude]

But I do think it speaks to the, you know, the content of your character when, like, you're just Constantly, like, beloved by people in a personal sense. I'm not talking about, like, the audience, and I don't think Alex Cooper has that. I think that's just, like, something people say about her a lot, is that, like, she's ever with the people and. But maybe she doesn't want to be, like, maybe she just wants to do her job and go home to, like, her family. So it's not 100.

[Jackie]

Miley Cyrus is calling her, like, sorry, I know she doesn't want to go to your influencer event screaming.

[Jackson Claude]

But, like, even. Even before she was at this level, like, she was never engaging. I think she's always had this kind of, like, superiority complex. So I think that's why people are just more inclined to side with Alex Cooper before. I mean, Alex Earl. Before they even know anything.

[Jackie]

Yeah. They just like her more. And I. So I feel like then I'm the last man standing for, like, really. I'm not gonna be biased about the situation, and I'm gonna call it like I see it. Yeah. Because does Alex Earl follow you? Nah, I don't think so.

[Jackson Claude]

I feel like she follows the toes. She's so generous with her follows. Do you know what I mean?

[Jackie]

And I don't even want to know if she follows me. And I think Alex Cooper follows me. And I'm still not going to take any sides.

[Jackson Claude]

No. I just want to let him know, like, I can be bought.

[Jackie]

Crying.

[Jackson Claude]

I can be bought.

[Jackie]

But, you know, insider will cheek

[Jackson Claude]

Sally. Let's see.

[Jackie]

Okay. Alex Earl does not follow me. Alex Hoover does. And I'm still not going to let that affect my decision. So all I was trying to say is I'm looking at this so objectively. I really have no horse in this race. And what I was saying, we have, like, some, you know, insider info, and we do this for a living. So objectively, I can say Alex Cooper's video was a sleigh. That's just a fact. And you might not like her. So you're saying that it's not, but it was. She put Alex Earl in a rough spot that she can come climb out of.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, but that's exactly what happened to James Charles. It was like, James is over party. This is Dramageddon. I'm telling you. Everyone was saying, James Tati's video. Bye, sister. James Jeffree star. Literally, James Charles was dead in the water. And then he put up that video. 42 minutes with receipts, proof, timeline, everything. It was a master class in how to get yourself out of a hole. I don't Even know if everything he said was true. Like, I didn't even care because I was just back on his side, like. And then people started ping ponging so much it didn't even matter. And it all came out in the wash, like. Yeah, so she absolutely can, like, call James Charles my friend.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but round one, Cooper. We have Cooper in the lead. But this is just objective. So, like. And I, Like, I'm not. I just want to see the story and I'll make my decision from there. I'm not going to let what peop other people's opinions or everyone's saying like, this or that. So I think it's just me, you know, I don't know that anybody else can really say that. That they're looking at this subjectively. Everybody else has, like, their favorite.

[Jackson Claude]

I have like a. I have like a. Like. Yeah, no, I feel like you have like, like you should have, like, a little bit of bias on, like, one particular matter.

[Jackie]

Text me the matter. No, I could have bias, but I'm like, I'm. I'm being like a jury member. You know what I mean? Where I'm like, yeah, but I think

[Jackson Claude]

it's hard for you to be completely. Objective. A completely unbiased.

[Jackie]

That's not a.

[Jackson Claude]

We have a typo. Oh,

[Jackie]

Okay. No, no, no. And there's things. But I'm. I'm committed.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, you're not gonna say it. Okay, okay.

[Jackie]

I'm committed to staying objective on the matter. I would really like to try and do that.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, you know, Alex Cooper once referred to us as that podcast.

[Jackie]

Oh, when she's.

[Jackson Claude]

Yes.

[Jackie]

Even though.

[Jackson Claude]

Yes, okay.

[Jackie]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm gonna be like, that was like, that was unnecessary.

[Jackie]

That wasn't. But even when you're like, on the jury, like, and sometimes you're like, oh, I have a conflict, you know, and they're like, nah, you're still gonna be on the jury. Put it out of your mind. That's gonna be me.

[Jackson Claude]

It takes a lot of mental fortitude to do that. I feel like I'm pretty unbiased as well. Honestly, like,

[Jackie]

even though you just said you're biased.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, it's hard to be completely unbiased. Like, we work with these people, we speak to these people. Like, we have interactions with these people. So I just want to be honest with everyone. Like, that's what I am speaking objectively, but also from a little. Colored by my own personal experience.

[Jackie]

I mean, I did get real activist pr, so they're going to find that, like, and kick me out of the jury.

[Jackson Claude]

Your honor.

[Jackie]

Exhibit A C. Jury member juror number nine.

[Jackson Claude]

You're so the rural juror. I so am. Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

And everything I can find. Everything I said about Sally.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. You are the opposite of a totally. What's the word I'm looking for?

[Jackie]

Unbiased. Objective.

[Jackson Claude]

Is objective like also mean unbiased?

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay. So that's the word I'm looking for. Okay. Okay.

[Jackie]

So, like, we're staying tumor watching the space. It should be any minute now.

[Jackson Claude]

I know something's gonna happen the second we're on alert.

[Jackie]

Like, someone can barge in and let us know.

[Jackson Claude]

No, I know. It's gonna drop, like, 20 minutes after the episode goes up.

[Jackie]

But you know what? I wouldn't really mind that because it's nice to have a moment to, like, process how you feel about it as, like, a juror on the matter. They do as a jury. The evidence. Right.

[Jackson Claude]

Deliberation.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

News that makes sense, I guess. Brooks Nader and her sisters are embarking on a polar expedition in support of women's health research.

[Jackson Claude]

So I want to say something.

[Jackie]

Alternate headline. Brooks Nader and her sisters will do anything for a check.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay. So before I dive in, I want to say two absolute truths. Women's health research is so important. It's a grossly underfunded sect of research. Yeah. And two, I would actually, like, lay my life out online, take a bullet for Brooks Nader. I love her so much. Okay. Those two things notwithstanding. What the is this, like, genuinely? This was so random. Like, on Brooks's Instagram. I was like, no.

[Jackie]

And they did, like, a sexy arctic

[Jackson Claude]

shoot to where they're, like, naked in bikinis on a snow mountain.

[Jackie]

I thought it was a skims campaign.

[Jackson Claude]

I thought it was a product campaign because they had a big Prada jacket.

[Jackie]

Yeah, no, it's. It's women's health research. So Brooks and her sisters will be experiencing sub zero temperatures, and they will face a polar expedition through the Arctic circle in order to have their bodies studied in these climates. The study aims to explore how cold temperatures, isolation, and disrupted light dark cycles, which are conditions that mirror those found in space, affect women's hormonal balance, menstrual cycle, sleep patterns, and overall physiological adaption. It sounds like they're trying to answer the question, what happens to your period in space?

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, okay. Never mind. I take back everything I said. This is a great initiative, and I love that Brooks is the face of it.

[Jackie]

When you put four girls from south Louisiana in one of the coldest environments in the world. There's going to be some, some drama. Brooks joked sleep will also be challenging. The sun doesn't set this time of year, which sounds magical until your body has no idea what time it is. But that's exactly what researchers are studying, how extreme environments affect our sleep cycles. I guess in the past, like they have had this information on how sleep disruption affects sleep cycles, but they've conducted it on men and they haven't conducted it on women. Now typically that would sound like an injustice, but I think it's really kind that they didn't make women go through this. And now we have four brave women ready to brave the odds.

[Jackson Claude]

I have a question, teacher. Who's paying them for this? Like, what's the brand? Do you know what I mean? Like, is it a hospital? Like who?

[Jackie]

Like, the initiative is by Extreme Research. Extreme Environment and Reproductive Sleep and Circadian health. It's led by a doctor from University of Arizona center for Sleep Sleep.

[Jackson Claude]

So again, is this like a big check or is it like what the hell is this?

[Jackie]

I think it's a big check and it's content for their show that still isn't back yet. Cuz this is so something Kardashians would have done those early seasons. Like a sleep study for sure.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, this is like the modern version of like those PETA campaigns. Or like the duck tape on your mouth. N o h8. No hate.

[Jackie]

It's not even. Because they're the only ones doing it.

[Jackson Claude]

I'd rather go naked than wear fur.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that was like a.

[Jackson Claude]

That was a storyline on Keeping Up Early.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but like all celebrities were doing that and all you had to do was like take a picture of yourself. Like that was like the Ice Bucket challenge. This is just like four sisters.

[Jackson Claude]

No, there was like a formal no hate. Yeah, you had photos and milk.

[Jackie]

Milk. Yeah, but.

[Jackson Claude]

But no, this seems like a one of one. Like seriously cracking up Brooks. They're so funny. I just love her. Like, I'm sorry. You will never catch me saying a crossword about her.

[Jackie]

No. And I guess soon we'll know what would happen to your menstrual cycle if you were in the Arctic. And that's a question that needs answering.

[Jackson Claude]

And as somebody who menstruates and spends a lot of time in the Arctic, I am glad for this.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Thanks girls.

[Jackson Claude]

Important work we're doing.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our third story? Ruby Rose accuses Katy Perry of sexual assault. Katie.

[Jackson Claude]

So what's so funny? Not that there's anything funny about this But I saw this story before the toast yesterday and I almost brought it up, but I thought it was AI because it was, like, so insane.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And you kind of need to, like, read the details. Can't just, like, be like, oh, she tweeted Katy Perry assaulted her. So here we have more information. And Katy Perry's rep is slamming the claim is categorically false in a dangerous lie. So it all sort of started sort of randomly because Katy Perry tweeted during Justin Bieber's performance at Coachella saying, thank God he has Premium. I don't want to see no ads. And, like, Complex posted Katy Perry's tweet saying, like that.

[Jackson Claude]

And everybody thought it was so funny.

[Jackie]

Hysterical. I mean, it's just really comedy gold.

[Jackson Claude]

She also said it, like, on video. Somebody was filming Justin set and then panned her. She's like, thank God he has premium. Like, it was such a genuinely, like, millennial joke and people were like, eating it up. I saw it all over. Katy Perry cracks hilarious joke.

[Jackie]

And Complex was like, they wrote it up as well. And Ruby Rose responded to their tweet saying, katy Perry has sexually assaulted me at Spice Market nightclub in Melbourne. Who gives a shit what she thinks?

[Jackson Claude]

No, by the way, I saw this on this on Twitter yesterday. I thought it wasn't real because she goes on to describe the incident, like, extremely graphically, saying, like, Katy Perry literally put her vagina on Ruby Rose's face

[Jackie]

and that Ruby Rose then threw up on her. And in the past, she's told the story to be like a funny little drunk story, she said, because she didn't know how else to handle it. Later, she said Katie agreed to help Ruby get her U.S. visa. So she kept it a secret, she said, but I did tell y' all she wasn't a good person. She said, I was only in my early 20s. I'm now 40. It has taken almost two decades to say this publicly, though I am so grateful to have made it long enough to find my voice. It just shows how much of an impact trauma and sexual assault takes. Thank you for seeing me. Now, just for Katy Perry side of things, her rep has responded to this and said the allegations being circulated on social media by Ruby Rose and Katy Perry are not only categorically false, they are dangerous, reckless lies. Ms. Rose has well documented history of making serious public allegations on social media against various individuals. Claims that have been repeatedly denied by those named.

[Jackson Claude]

I know this isn't the point, but, like, this whole story just reminded me of that, like, two year period where Ruby Rose was so famous, like Taylor Swift's best friend. Orange is a new Black. Like, and then she's, like, the coolest

[Jackie]

thing that ever happened.

[Jackson Claude]

She was the coolest, like, hottest thing, and then she really, like, disappeared. Not that's the point, but I just, like, was reminded of her. I forget about her.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I wonder why. I feel like it wasn't by accident, you know?

[Jackson Claude]

No, I feel like she, like, didn't want to play the game or like she made an enemy in Hollywood. Because it's giving blackballed.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it is giving blackballed. And I do feel like she has a lot of enemies.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Katy Perry now, number one. I don't know if this is true. I don't know if it's false. It's disgusting.

[Jackie]

It's disgusting if true. It's also just kind of like a crazy. I guess this is, like, how she wants to share her truth now, but it's kind of like a crazy way to just, like, you know, throw this out there. She said she doesn't want to file any claims. She just wants everyone to know. I don't know what we're supposed to do with that.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I. I agree with that assessment. Like, I don't know what to say.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Horrible if true. Horrible if false.

[Jackson Claude]

Right.

[Jackie]

I'm just gonna, like, set that one down and.

[Jackson Claude]

And, like, make your own assumptions or not.

[Jackie]

Or, you know, like. Or not. I don't think we should assume anything. I don't know, Ruby. I don't really know, Katie. I don't know, Katie. I guess.

[Jackson Claude]

I guess that'll be interesting to see if anybody else comes out, because I feel like that's when it happens. Like, when somebody makes an allegation and then, like, two or three people say, like, something similar or that always. I feel like it's like the nail in.

[Jackie]

This isn't like a movie. Pull once.

[Jackson Claude]

You know what a move. You pull once. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Rubbing like, and if night.

[Jackson Claude]

It's so specific.

[Jackie]

In someone's face.

[Jackson Claude]

I. I'm curious if anyone else will speak out. I'm not sure if they will.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So just. We'll just set that down. Our next story, some more Coachella adjacent news. My boy Lewis Capaldi is reacting to being mistaken for Lewis Hamilton on Kim Kardashian Coachella date. So, by the way, Kim Kardashian and Lewis Hamilton were at Coachella together.

[Jackson Claude]

They are confirmed dating and clap, if you care.

[Jackie]

I. I don't. It's didn't even make the recap, you know, for so long. It was like, rumored to be dating, spotted in Paris Weekend Tris. Then she was, like, on his Instagram in, like, a soft launch sort of way. And then they were together at Coachella, and they are.

[Jackson Claude]

I just. I don't care.

[Jackie]

No, I don't.

[Jackson Claude]

And I don't even feel like the Internet cares. I don't feel like people are. Sometimes someone. Something happens, and I feel like the Internet's trying to get me to care, and it's like, I don't. I feel like nobody's talking about this, but even though he's one of the biggest athletes in the world.

[Jackie]

He's the biggest athlete in the world. It'd be like if she were dating Cristiano Ronaldo, like, the.

[Jackson Claude]

Which I would care about.

[Jackie]

Well, I would care because he's, like, married with children, so that would be weird.

[Jackson Claude]

Correct.

[Jackie]

But, like, so he's like the male Kim Kardashian. She couldn't be dating a bigger star. And, like, nobody global.

[Jackson Claude]

And I just personally ship him with Nicole Scherzinger. You know, they were together for many years.

[Jackie]

Oh, very cute.

[Jackson Claude]

And I think he also dated somebody in little mix. Am I right about that or. No?

[Jackie]

I don't know that.

[Jackson Claude]

That I might be making that up.

[Jackie]

So anyway, someone posted, like, a video of Kim and Lewis at Coachella, and it said, Lewis Capaldi spotted with Kim Kardashian at Coachella. They obviously got his name wrong. And Lewis Capaldi responded saying, wow, guys, not cool. Such an invasion of our privacy.

[Jackson Claude]

So funny. He's such a good celebrity.

[Jackie]

How much more interested I would be in this story if it was Kim dating Lewis Capaldi.

[Jackson Claude]

That's what I'm always saying. Like, yesterday we were talking about Jacob Elordi and Kendall Jenner. Like, I just want to be surprised every now and then. Like, that's why Lewis Hamilton is so uninteresting to me. Oh, the most beautiful woman in the world is going for, like, the biggest athlete, the hottest guy. Like, great. Like, it's just so uninteresting. Like, that's why date someone ugly.

[Jackie]

That's why sin was so interesting.

[Jackson Claude]

Yes.

[Jackie]

That was.

[Jackson Claude]

Different world, interesting age gaps. Like, yeah, like, shake it up, Chicago.

[Jackie]

It's really, like, it defies logic how the most you would think it would be, like, technically, Kim and Lewis is like Kim and Kanye, two of the biggest people in their fields, and we just don't care. Even if she were dating Tom Brady, maybe we'd be a little more interested, but maybe not.

[Jackson Claude]

Maybe I'm also not that interested because I have quite Literally zero knowledge of F1 as a sport. Like, I know nothing about Lewis Hamilton's career. I know nothing about the sport. Like, Tom Brady, I'm more familiar with. Like, I'm invested in his personal life, and I watch football, and I was, like, watching his games when he was winning, so maybe that would be more interesting to me. But again, it's just, like. It's so boring to me. It's not a creative choice. I just want somebody to like. That's why she did ignore me. Yeah. Do something different.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm happy for Lewis Capaldi.

[Jackson Claude]

Me, too. That I'm glad. Like, I'm glad this happened.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I think maybe it could be like one of those meet cutes, where it's like, oh, I'm not dating Louis probably, but who's that? And then they just, like, sort of get together, and then you get Lewis

[Jackson Claude]

Capaldi to, like, sing you to bed every night and write songs for you before you go. You know, I. I know.

[Jackie]

He's another one.

[Jackson Claude]

I know.

[Jackie]

That's like a son to me. You know, he's. Yeah, he's one of my sons.

[Jackson Claude]

Louis Capaldi goes platinum in your Tesla.

[Jackie]

1000%. He's one of my celebrity sons. I have a lot.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, add it to the family tree. Harry Jowsey, Alex Warren. Lewis Capaldi. Who else?

[Jackie]

I feel like there was one more. Oh, Charlie Puth.

[Jackson Claude]

Of course.

[Jackie]

Of course. Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, my God. Right before Dear Toasters, is it our fifth and final story? That's brought to you by Roback.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Turn back.

[Jackson Claude]

So I think this happens to everybody every single year, and today's the perfect example of it. You know, spring starts, just kind of gets sprung on you, if you will, and you just have the will to live again. You know, it's the best season ever. The weather improves, everyone's in a better mood. It's getting dark later, and suddenly you have convinced yourself that you need an entirely new wardrobe. And you do. You do. This year, our spring shopping obsession is right back. Last month, we were going on and on about their active skorts and dresses that they launched, which are so cute, great for warmer. We. But they also just launched a new lounge set, and we'd like to discuss it. So, you know, whenever I'm talking about Roback, I'm always like, it's so soft. It's so soft. But this set is really on another level. I'm kind of a loungewear expert, and I only. I only accept the best and it's one of the softest fabrics. The Roback loungewear. It's perfect for spring because it's short sleeve the top and has matching bottoms and a very elevated, soft fabric that feels very luxe. It's called the Aspire set, which is very correct because when, when I put it on, you're going to assess Aspire to look like me. It's comfortable, it's chic, it's effortless. It comes in ivory coastal blue. Choosing between the two is going to be difficult. So maybe get both if you want to. And then also check out Roback's entire website. I'd love their stuff for men. A lot of people don't know that their men's stuff is completely slept on. And if you're looking for loungewear for your man so he doesn't look like, you know, unemployed, because I think a lot of men wearing loungewear is, like, icky. I love the ones from Roback. It's like very tailored. Use code toast on roback.com for 20 off. Your first order through the end of this week. That's Rho B a C k dot.com code toast for 20 off. Today's episode is also brought to you by a new sponsor, Salt and Stone. And you know, I was hanging out with Shannon Ford over the weekend and she, like, always smells so good and smells the same. And actually my hair started to smell like her when I hung out with her for like two days. And it just made me jealous. Like, I love the concept of having a signature scent. And I think Salt and Stone is a great example because they make so many good products like deodorant and body wash. Like, to have like a full body scent.

[Jackie]

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[Jackson Claude]

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[Jackie]

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[Jackson Claude]

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[Jackie]

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[Jackson Claude]

That doesn't surprise me. You're so Santal.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

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[Jackie]

No, nothing that I saw. Our fifth and final story, Summer Houses. Amanda Batula has the munchies for Jimmy John's in a new 420 campaign that just dropped. Amanda Botulia is teaming up with Jimmy John's to celebrate 420 and a couple other stars.

[Jackson Claude]

Famous potheads.

[Jackie]

Famous potheads. Who are these individuals? We have Cal, Pennsylvania.

[Jackson Claude]

You know him?

[Jackie]

I saw. What do I know him from? I guess I could.

[Jackson Claude]

So classic. Like, he's just like an actor.

[Jackie]

He's an actor. Okay.

[Jackson Claude]

I didn't know he engaged in cannabis drugs.

[Jackie]

So, yeah, the thing is that it's Jimmy John, so they're sandwiches, but it's like the Dream Rotation menu. And the sale goes from, like, April 13th.

[Jackson Claude]

It's like a play on the thing kids say, like, dream blunt rotation, but

[Jackie]

it's like dream sandwich rotation, and it's like a 420.

[Jackson Claude]

And on 420, I guess, like, you order a lot of Jimmy John's.

[Jackie]

So they, like, brought on some famous potheads, including Cal Pen, Cheech Marin, and Skyler Gisondo. And Amanda Batula, who, you know, in this season of Summer House, Kyle said that she smokes every night and she is, like, the darling of weed up until two weeks ago. But this campaign already shot and other people got paid. And so we're airing it. We're doing it.

[Jackson Claude]

I want to say something. I. Obviously, this campaign is not for me. I don't smoke pot or eat Jimmy John's. However, I imagine that they had a conversation about whether they would air the commercial. You know, Amanda Petula, you know, she was famously dropped from her most recent campaign after this big scamandival with Edie Parker. And I remember, I believe I made them Weenie of the Week because they're just, like, so fickle and weenie. And I kind of really respect the hell out of Jimmy John's for not, like, throwing this campaign away. It's a good commercial. Okay. And, you know, I'm into being in it. I would never be talking about this commercial before that. Like, even when she was beloved, like, okay, she did a lot of ads. Like, I don't know. I like that they kept this on air or wherever it was supposed to be.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it was on Instagram. All the comments were like, oh, I'm going to Jersey Mike's now.

[Jackson Claude]

And, like, you're not. Because it's so ingrained. People are so, like, it's your religion. Jersey Mike's versus all the other sandwich shops. Right. Or Jimmy John's. Whatever, people. You're not going to switch it up because Amanda's in a commercial. Like, sorry, you're just not.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I don't think they were even, like, Trying to take a stance against cancel culture or anything. They just like spent a lot of

[Jackson Claude]

money and it's dumb to cancel it

[Jackie]

over, like, the sale is happening. Like, we've got to let people know, so.

[Jackson Claude]

Correct. Yeah.

[Jackie]

And again, it's not like she's like a criminal or anything. It's just she's sort of fallen out of favor. But we've got sandwiches to sell, so here you go.

[Jackson Claude]

I just feel like in this day and age, like, no one would do this. Like, everyone's so afraid of being a part of any sort of conflict that. I do respect this. I'm sorry, I do. I don't think they were looking for respect. I think they were just looking to save money. Like big losers like Edie Parker. I'm sorry, I think that's loser. Oh, you liked them enough to include them with your campaign.

[Jackie]

Like, wait, you know, to see how. Yeah, sort of shook out.

[Jackson Claude]

Yep. Sorry. I like this.

[Jackie]

Agreed.

[Jackson Claude]

Let's dive into Dear Toasters. What do you say? Okay, our weekly advice segment. Every Tuesday, Jackie and I try to give back to our community a little bit of philanthropy. Sometimes you guys find yourself in sticky situations. Whether your husband's doing something weird, your co workers being a. You're in a bridal party, that's a nightmare. Whatever it is, if you need advice and you always wanted to get it from your two favorite podcasters, you can do it. Dear toasters, gmail.com, send us an email, write us, tell us what's going on in your life. Keep it brief, like need to know information, or head over to the toastpodcast.com our website, and scroll down. There's a little submission box says Dear Toasters. Both methods are totally anonymous. We will never say your name or any identifying details. Okay, you ready? Jackson? Claude. I just gave birth to my first baby a month ago and my husband wants to buy himself a four thousand dollar watch to, quote, commemorate her birth. For context, he did buy me a push present of my choosing, but I was much more realistic asking for a ring that was under a thousand dollars. Is this not ridiculous? It is essentially a push present for him when he didn't push out a baby. Please let me know if I'm just being a brat or if this seems like a frivolous thing for a new dad to do. Yeah, no, I mean, I guess if I. I just want to say I respect his ingenuity and like reframing it as you know, I'm commemorating her birth because you almost got me. I'm not gonna lie. But his commemorative gift being four times the price of yours is just unacceptable. And I, I hate when people are like, so frivolous with money at the wrong time. We just had a baby.

[Jackie]

No, but like, say they have like, you know, a ton of money.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And that's how he wants to spend it. I would say, like, fine then. But he also needs to get one for you. Like, his matching. His gift for the baby can't be bigger than yours. So if he wants to get a watch for himself, then he also has to get an equal value or nicer watch for you. So, like, just let him know that. Let him know that and see if he still wants to get a watch for himself.

[Jackson Claude]

I would, however, just keep an eye out for this man. He's not gay. I'm just, I'm not going there. I want you to know. But while it is funny that he's like rebranded his push present as like a commemorative, it's like low key. Manipulative. I could just see him being manipulative. I just want to say, like, I think he. I can sense that within him. Not that he's done anything so bad, but just keep an eye on it

[Jackie]

and like, a lesson to you, like, dream bigger next time.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay. A lesson to you, Dream bigger next time.

[Jackie]

Yeah. You're very sweet, Birkin, but I also

[Jackson Claude]

respect, because I felt the same way. Obviously it went the way of the horse and buggy, but like, when I was pregnant towards the end and giving birth, I was like, so stressed. Like, I was like, we need to cut down. We have to start saving for school. Like, I respect people who are like, fiscally responsible at a time like this. So, like, your husband wanting to get not one, but two gifts and his is four times the price. Like, it's giving. Girl, get out of here.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I agree.

[Jackson Claude]

No. How about just no? Yeah, no is a full sentence. You can't have your watch. Next. Go change a diaper. Hey, Jackson. Claude, I need your help as I've witnessed something at work that I still haven't fully processed. The other morning in the break room, I caught my co worker quietly dumping a handful of plastic forks from her purse into our communal plastic utensil box. I of course asked her what she was doing and she very casually explained it that after she uses a plastic fork, she takes it home, washes it, and then brings it back so it can be reused by her co workers. She does not inform anyone that she is doing this and acted like it was completely normal. Which honestly might be the most unsettling part. Now I can't stop thinking about how many lunches I have eaten with a fork that has been to a stranger's house. House, not to mention is leaking and toxic bpa.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Do I confront her or just accept that I will never touch that utensil box ever again? Signed a pregnant BPA Conscious toast toaster. There's so many elements of this that are so weird. Like I'm sorry. I know you can say what you want about plastic cutlery. It is disposable. It's not meant to be washed.

[Jackie]

No.

[Jackson Claude]

It's regular forks.

[Jackie]

So harmful is to put that stuff in the dishwasher. And the heat.

[Jackson Claude]

Not even. Not even hot water. Even like leeches.

[Jackie]

Plastic.

[Jackson Claude]

Yucky. Actually I keep my box of plastic utensils because it's just something I can't part with on top of my toaster oven. And I actually bleaching plastic. Yeah. Yesterday I threw it out. I was like, no, it's bad, it's wrong.

[Jackie]

So never use a fork from your office again. Obviously this woman needs to be educated and she needs to be stopped in her tracks.

[Jackson Claude]

What is she doing?

[Jackie]

Who gives a fuck? They're the office forks.

[Jackson Claude]

Maybe at your house if you want to save money and reuse even though

[Jackie]

like and you want to plastics in the name of saving of waste management.

[Jackson Claude]

That's your re using disposable cutlery. Like there's cutlery that's not disposable. So just use that.

[Jackie]

Yeah. No, she absolutely has to be stocked. You need to tell everyone about this. Everyone Tattle Paul Revere. Sound the alarm.

[Jackson Claude]

Revere.

[Jackie]

The BPAs are coming because that's also safe for everybody.

[Jackson Claude]

Even beyond. Even beyond the plastic. Because I know some people like aren't moved by. They say it's a conspiracy theory plastic. Like not everyone is plastic obsessed. Fine. The sheer unsanitary nature of taking home in your purse like loose and you don't know where she lives. Loose forks, hanging a purse with hair. She don't know where she lives and how she cleans them. It's so unsanitary.

[Jackie]

You should also so crazy. I don't think she could be trusted in the work. Like what is she doing in her work if she has such bad decision

[Jackson Claude]

making skills in her personal check her expense report too. She's obviously just like a liar.

[Jackie]

This is so wrong. And you don't even have to be like a crunchy crazy person to not want to use a plastic fork that's been in the dishwasher and like eat all that plastic. That's just obvious. Yuck.

[Jackson Claude]

Our third and final. Hey, Jackson. Claude. My husband and I recently moved houses. While moving, I found a very long fake fingernail under my side of the bed. This was very suspicious to me as his fingernail was not one that could have come from anyone that we know. I wanted to ask my husband about it, but I ultimately decided not to in the moment. We've been married for eight years. We have two kids and one on the way. But I can't stop thinking about this now. Do I ask my husband about it? I already threw it away. Is it too late? Should I just move on?

[Jackie]

I don't think it's an affair.

[Jackson Claude]

He's obviously like a cross dresser, right?

[Jackie]

What if it was like in the year that. How long have they lived in the house? I. Could it have been a cleaning lady? Like, could have been anyone who ever stepped foot into your room that wasn't you or him. Like I.

[Jackson Claude]

On her side of the bed, though. It's so specific. It's not like it was, you know, under the desk. Like, if he's. Let's just say he's entertaining women, he's obviously going to go to his side of the bed. Yeah.

[Jackie]

For himself.

[Jackson Claude]

Right. And so the nail being found on her side of the bed means the girl was on her side.

[Jackie]

How could someone be having an affair in your bed? As a mother of two small children, like, how could that have. When would they have the time? That room is booked and busy.

[Jackson Claude]

I don't think it's a 100. A smoking gun. And if you want to sit on this, especially you're pregnant. Don't do anything yet. But I feel as though maybe the Lord has given you a sign.

[Jackie]

Keep it in the house that you should.

[Jackson Claude]

It's. It's a brick on the yellow brick road. I would just keep walking. Keep your head on a swivel, you know, look for perfume, lipstick, things of that nature. Or, you know, a secret closet with wigs. Because I could feel like a lot of girls wear obviously press on nails, but a lot of like drag queens do too, or cross dressers.

[Jackie]

She didn't say it was a fake nail. She said it was like a no go, as if someone broke their nail.

[Jackson Claude]

H long fake fingernail fake, like a acrylic. Press on.

[Jackie]

Do you have daughters like that? No.

[Jackson Claude]

She said for a fact. This could not have come from anyone that I know.

[Jackie]

It could have been to the bottom of someone's shoe when they came in the house. Like, yes.

[Jackson Claude]

That's what I said it's not a smoking gun, but it's hella suspicious.

[Jackie]

How on earth could a man have an affair in your marital bed when you have, like, two small children and you're pregnant? You're pregnant, Aren't you in the bed all day?

[Jackson Claude]

You're getting, like. Like definitely stuck on the logistics, which I respects are impossible

[Jackie]

There. In your bed.

[Jackson Claude]

Because nobody can get in my bed if I never leave my bed. Right. That's the thing, ladies. If you want your man to stay loyal, never get out of bed.

[Jackie]

Well, stay loyal inside the home.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. So while. Okay, so I agree with you that it's not 100. This could be explained away in a million legitimate ways.

[Jackie]

Stuck to the bottom of someone's shoe.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay, but like, why, of all the places for this fingernail that was stuck to the bottom of someone's shoe, could have ended up in the kitchen, the living room, the bathroom, the dining room. It's under her side of the bed. Don't you think that's weird? No, I think you're being delusional.

[Jackie]

I know. I really don't. Like, I. I just. Unless you tell me, like, you're in the military and so you're out of the home for months at a time. Like, if you're home with two small children, there's no one having an affair in your bedroom.

[Jackson Claude]

Maybe she works and the kids are at daycare. There you go.

[Jackie]

And so the husband comes home in the middle of the day with his.

[Jackson Claude]

Maybe he recently got laid off. Even though I do think she would have told us that.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And she would say, like, I just think it's. It's seriously impossible. I think it's seriously impossible.

[Jackson Claude]

I wouldn't, like, write it off a hundred percent. I would definitely keep an eye on your husband.

[Jackie]

Yes, of course. But don't assume the worst. If this is all you have.

[Jackson Claude]

And you know what? I do feel like maybe you can and should, like, just do a very brief snoop and through his phone.

[Jackie]

Fine. If that makes you feel better.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But, like, I don't know. I think it could be so many things not impossible. I would say it's like 5% chance affair.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh. I would say actually 50 chance affairs.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Maybe someone kicked it through the window. Maybe, like, maybe it was a part of a. Got stuck to a UPS box. Like, maybe so 50. 50.

[Jackie]

Also let us know or think to yourself, like, how often are you out of the home? Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

I need you to take a look at your own logistical, like, schedule.

[Jackie]

And, like, is it a possibility? Because I know, like in my house that would be actually impossible. Don't you have like cameras or a ring doorbell? Wouldn't you say see someone enter your home?

[Jackson Claude]

Yes. An in home affair in the technological age is extremely difficult to pull off. That's I, I, I agree. Especially when you have babies. The nanit, you could hear audio on the nan it from three rooms down

[Jackie]

the hall telling you it, it has to be like very, very difficult.

[Jackson Claude]

And when I'm watching the nanit and me and Ben are in the living room and he coughs, I could hear the cough on the nanit.

[Jackie]

So just, you know your house, you know your schedule, look inward also let us know like oh, you know, if there is room for possibility, I'd like to know more. I need more information here.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I agree. Well that's our show. I'm exhausted from helping our listeners. Like it's exhausting just being so helpful. We do thank you guys so much. Listening to the test of Monday morning show where we deal the fast five stories you need to know every Monday the Friday on YouTube so watching us on YouTube please help you subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as podcast camera. Podcast can be found said Spotify agent Stitch or public video. I ordered a castbox all the place we listen to podcasts. Vanessa Toasty five Starview about a beautiful setting weekly. Talented we are.

[Jackie]

Love ya. Bye.

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