Couch Potatoes Deserve Love Too: Thursday, October 16th, 2025

Summary

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The Toast – "Couch Potatoes Deserve Love Too"

Hosts: Jackie Schimmel & Claudia Oshry
Episode Date: October 16, 2025
Podcast Description: Weekdays with Jackie & Claudia Oshry, serving up the top 5 pop culture stories you need to know, plus candid sisterly chats.

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Episode Overview

The Thursday episode of The Toast delivers the signature blend of relaxed banter and sharp pop culture commentary from hosts Jackie and Claudia. The show covers everything from TV recaps (notably Love is Blind) and celebrity sightings to fashion world news, including a comprehensive breakdown of the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show comeback, Sofia Richie Grainge’s new brand launch, and controversial Kardashian-adjacent headlines. The hosts also thread personal anecdotes about life, LA oddities, and the existential woes of couch potato shaming, culminating in a deep dive into media’s portrayal of celebrity parents—especially couch potatoes who still "deserve love," as the title cheekily asserts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Celebrity Sightings in LA

• Nicole recounts seeing Shane Dawson emerge from a Tesla Cybertruck at the Beverly Hills Hotel, sparking a nostalgic discussion of the Shane Dawson/Jeffree Star “Conspiracy” era and the power of internet “group think” in marketing.
  • Memorable quote [02:54, Jackie]: "No, it’s a master class in mass psychosis."
• There's debate over LA hot spots for celeb sightings (Kathy Hilton at Cheesecake Factory, Nobu Malibu). Nicole jokes she may have glimpsed Al Pacino... or not.

2. Dog Culture & LA Observations

• Nicole is struck by how dog-obsessed Angelenos leave their pets off-leash everywhere, even in non-fenced parks. Jackie is blasé, as long as owners control their dogs.
  • [13:31, Nicole]: "People here, like, I have seen more dogs off leash than I have on leash."
• Tangential musings on soda pitchers at restaurants, lush LA parks, and the hosts' personal comfort zones with “incline” walking.

3. TV Recaps: Love Is Blind & More

• Jackie and Nicole discuss the latest batch of Love Is Blind episodes. They critique "over-long" editing, particularly the tendency to show minutiae instead of summarizing key developments.
  • [06:36, Jackie]: "I don't know what happened to the editor... these episodes are not being edited."
• They analyze relationship drama, notably Annie and Nick’s dysfunctional dynamic and Sparkle & Jordan’s endearing storyline.
• Brief sidebar: Jackie catches up on TV show “Nobody Wants This,” riffing on the Foster sisters and how fictional podcasts shape public perception.

4. Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show Comeback

• In-depth coverage of the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show return, including fashion, inclusion, nostalgia, and what’s now "missing":
  • Celebration for Jasmine Tookes opening the show while nine months pregnant.
    • [24:24, Nicole]: "She's pregnant with her second baby. She's a former Victoria's Secret model. She's insane looking… Loved. That is probably the only positive thing I have to say about this."
  • Critique of the event’s lack of exclusivity and the lost “spark” of the original show. Both hosts agree VS can't recapture past magic, despite checking all the boxes for a contemporary audience.
    • [28:27, Nicole]: "It’s not moving me because I’ve moved on, and I think a lot of people have, and it’s just, like, the harder they try, like, the sadder it is."
  • Discussion of notable models and performers (Jasmine Tookes, Adriana Lima, Madison Beer, Angel Reese, Madison Beer not performing), nostalgia for past iconic performances (Rihanna, Taylor Swift).

5. Fashion Launches

• Sofia Richie Grainge’s SRG Atelier launches as a Revolve-powered bodywear/outerwear brand, drawing comparisons to Helsa and House of Harlow.

  • Jackie praises the collection’s elegance but notes the high price and brand name challenges. Both hosts laud the strategic Revolve partnership.
  • [39:15, Nicole]: "It’s really pretty stuff. You guys, I’m shook. I was ready to be a hater. You know me."

• Brief aside: Gwyneth Paltrow’s upcoming fashion line “Gwyn” is teased, adding to a trend of celeb-driven, elevated DTC lines.

6. Gwyneth Paltrow, Kylie Jenner, and Timothy Chalamet Triangle

• Amused dissection of Gwyneth’s admission in British Vogue that she didn’t know her Marty Supreme co-star Timothy Chalamet was dating “young mom with two kids” Kylie Jenner.
  • [41:45, Jackie]: "Like not Gwyneth thinking it’s like some down on her luck single mom when it's literally billionaire Kylie Jenner."
• Reflections on the absurdity of celebrity perceptions and boundaries of “relatability.”

7. Selena Gomez Exposes a Scammer

• Claudia breaks down a cryptic Selena Gomez Instagram story publicly sharing a phone number to expose someone pretending to be Wizards of Waverly Place co-star Jake T. Austin.
  • [45:41, Nicole]: "If even Selena Gomez, like, a billionaire pop star, can get scammed, really, there’s no hope for the rest of us."
• Jackie: We’re all fighting our own battles with scammers and spam calls.

8. Splits & Scandal in Celebrity Relationships

• News breaks during the episode: Tom Cruise and Ana de Armas have split after a brief romance. Nicole speculates about the dangers of dating Tom, especially relating to Scientology. Jackie is unconvinced the relationship (or the breakup) ever made sense.

9. Kevin Federline's Tell-All Memoir & Britney Spears’ Response

• Kevin Federline’s upcoming memoir accuses Britney Spears of dangerous behavior (including watching their kids sleep with a knife and alleged cocaine use while breastfeeding).
  • Hosts discuss the public's tendency to dismiss "couch potato" Kevin as lazy, but Claudia notes his role as the present parent.
    • [60:33, Nicole]: "I’m just not one of these people who’s, like, jumping to Britney’s defense because, like, Kevin’s a couch potato. Couch potatoes deserve love, too, okay? And couch potatoes could be good dads."
  • They deliberate the ethics of airing such claims, potential legal implications, and Britney’s Instagram statement denying the allegations.

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• On the Shane Dawson/Jeffrey Star era:
  [02:54, Jackie] "No, it’s a master class in mass psychosis."
• On LA dog culture:
  [13:31, Nicole] "People here, like, I have seen more dogs off leash than I have on leash."
• On editing of TV:
  [06:36, Jackie] "I don't know what happened to the editor... these episodes are not being edited."
• On the Victoria’s Secret Show comeback:
  [28:27, Nicole] "It’s not moving me because I’ve moved on, and I think a lot of people have, and it’s just, like, the harder they try, like, the sadder it is."
• On Sofia Richie Grainge’s line:
  [39:15, Nicole] "It’s really pretty stuff. You guys, I’m shook. I was ready to be a hater. You know me."
• On Kevin Federline and couch potato parents:
  [60:33, Nicole] "Couch potatoes deserve love, too, okay? And couch potatoes could be good dads."

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TV Recaps: "Love is Blind" Highs & Lows

• Annie & Nick's toxic cycle, the editing challenge, Sparkle & Jordan’s likability, and the perennial “engagement caller-offer” speculation.
  • [62:03, Nicole on Annie]: "She's so insecure. It's like, nobody wants to be around that."
  • [63:12, Jackie]: "It's not even what she's saying, which is, like, one of the most annoying things a person could say, but it's also, like, the way that she's saying it... her facials are. I couldn't."
  • [66:48, Jackie]: "Joe’s not enjoying anything. Joe is not, and KB and Edmund are not. There’s no good times, really."
  • [72:06, Nicole]: "I have a lot riding on Jordan and Sparkle. I did not expect to, like, love them so much..."

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Overall Vibe & Tone

This episode is quintessential Toast: conversational, funny, tangent-friendly, and self-referentially aware. Claudia and Jackie’s rapport shines through as they jump from cultural nostalgia (“group think” makeup era) to trendy TV commentary, celebrity fashion critiques, and hot takes on media narratives, all while candidly sharing their personal slow mornings and life updates.

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Timeline of Key Segments

• 00:40: Start of show, host banter
• 01:10: Celebrity sightings recap (Shane Dawson, LA hotel/restaurant circuit)
• 04:45: Thursday mood, TV catch-ups begin
• 05:56: Love is Blind breakdown, discussion of changes in season structure
• 13:06: LA dog culture, parks, and lifestyle commentary
• 16:36: Daylight savings and baby life
• 23:32: Fashion stories: Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show review
• 35:17: More fashion: Sofia Richie Grainge’s SRG Atelier launch
• 40:51: Gwyneth Paltrow, Kylie Jenner, Timothy Chalamet discussion
• 45:21: Selena Gomez vs. scammer
• 51:39: Tom Cruise & Ana de Armas breakup
• 53:54: Kevin Federline/Britney Spears memoir controversy
• 62:00: More Love is Blind breakdown, predictions and critiques

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode encapsulates why The Toast is a daily favorite for pop culture obsessives: rapid-fire news, deep TV dives, ultra-relatable personal asides, and sharp—but still affectionate—skepticism of celebrity branding and reinvention. If you’re after a thorough rundown of what’s happening in reality TV, celeb culture, and women’s lifestyle brands, with plenty of laughs along the way, this Thursday Toast will hit the spot.

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Transcript

[Nicole Richie]

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[Jackie Schimmel]

It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host, your favorite show, the Fast 5 things you need to know.

[Nicole Richie]

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I sound amazing.

[Nicole Richie]

Welcome back to the Toast. Happy Thursday. Hey, Jacqueline. How are you?

[Jackie Schimmel]

I am good. Happy Thursday. Latter half weird week.

[Nicole Richie]

Gang Gang.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Latter half weird week. Energy WWE.

[Nicole Richie]

Agreed.

[Jackie Schimmel]

100 Summer Slam.

[Nicole Richie]

WWE. And speaking of, that reminds me, I really have not seen enough celebrities during my time in la.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Like, have you been going to there? Well, you saw one yesterday.

[Nicole Richie]

Who?

[Jackie Schimmel]

Shane Dawson.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, my God, you guys. Wait. Yes. Wow. I had the longest day yesterday. Okay, I saw Shane Dawson.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So there's your celeb spotting for the day.

[Nicole Richie]

Great. We were at the Beverly Hills Hotel having lunch, and this enormous cyber truck pulled up, and I was like, oh, I wonder what, like, tech douche lord it's gonna be. Shane Dawson comes out, and let me tell you, it looks exactly the same as he did when we, like, were all watching his docu series. Like, the tight black jeans, the combat boots, like, same look and everything.

[Jackie Schimmel]

As much as I'm not a fan of Shane Dawson, like, I do miss that time.

[Nicole Richie]

I miss who I was.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Like, I miss every. The energy around it. The Shane Dawson Jeffree star collab. What was it called? Conspir. Yes, the conspiracy theory palette or something.

[Nicole Richie]

That was the conspiracy palette.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Like, that they had us buying those eyeshadows from, like, inspired by Shane Dawson selling makeup. It just goes to show the power of marketing.

[Nicole Richie]

It's so true because, like, why would I be. Does Shane Dawson know about makeup?

[Jackie Schimmel]

Why would I be inspired to buy makeup from Shane Dawson? Like, I don't know, but I did it.

[Nicole Richie]

And the whole point of the docu series was, like, trying to turn Shane Dawson into some sort of makeup guru when he doesn't wear makeup. Like, I.

[Jackie Schimmel]

That's also the power of Jeffree star because, like, Jeffree star's stamp of approval on to Shane Dawson made it.

[Nicole Richie]

It meant everything.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I was buying the palette. And then what was even crazier was that, like, after the show aired and they had shown colors they Were going to put in the palette and one color didn't make it. And the fans were like, oh, my God. But we love that color.

[Nicole Richie]

It was a green.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So then they made more palettes and they just swapped out one color and, like, it's still sold out, Jackie.

[Nicole Richie]

Like, to this day, it's one of the highest grossing makeup palettes of all time. Like, it was insane.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No, it's a master class in mass psychosis.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah. In group think.

[Jackie Schimmel]

You just had to be there. So I don't.

[Nicole Richie]

Jackie, the fact that you.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Me, me. I remember.

[Nicole Richie]

I remember at the time, Jackie, the fact that you.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Is what makes most powerful marketing campaign on the planet. That I infiltrated your mind Makeup from Shane Dawson.

[Nicole Richie]

The communist party of China has not even been able to get to Jackie. Like, she's really not infiltrated.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No.

[Nicole Richie]

But Shane Dawson got.

[Jackie Schimmel]

It's really Jeffree star. I just want to say it was really Jeffree star, like, because I really fell in love with Jeffrey self. And I just remember, like, watching all those episodes of the docu series on YouTube. Like, I remember we were flying to LA. I'm, like, downloading them on YouTube so I can watch them on my flight. I do miss that time, even though, like, I don't recognize that person. Like, I was a part of something massive.

[Nicole Richie]

And it was fun to be excited about something.

[Jackie Schimmel]

It really, really was.

[Nicole Richie]

So thank you for reminding me. I have, yes. I've seen now two celebrities, but are.

[Jackie Schimmel]

You gonna seek out more celebrities?

[Nicole Richie]

Well, I was pretty sure I saw Al Pacino at the cheesecake factory last night. I just. I couldn't 100 confirm it because I don't really know what Al Pacino looks like.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. So it probably wasn't him.

[Nicole Richie]

I don't know. We were in Beverly Hills.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Like, you should go where the celebs go.

[Nicole Richie]

Well, Kathy Hilton goes to that cheesecake factory once a week.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Well, I told you, she go to Nova Malibu.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah, I know. There's a lot of things I should do. Sorry, I'm busy.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, but you have to eat.

[Nicole Richie]

So true.

[Jackie Schimmel]

You still have to have dinner and lunch. And breakfast. That's three times a day that you could see a star.

[Nicole Richie]

Nobu Malibu. It's so true.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

Today is Thursday, which means the show is so chill. Right. We're just. Did you catch up on Love is blind?

[Jackie Schimmel]

I watched the first episode that dropped.

[Nicole Richie]

Me too. This is like, the part of love is blind. I'm not gonna spoil anything that, like, I feel like they really drag it out. Like, there doesn't need to Be four or five episodes. Drop batches, like two or three.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Well, I said this to Zach last night. I feel like when Love is Blind first started, the apartment living part was, like, longer. The process wasn't like two to three weeks. It felt more like four to five to six weeks. And I felt like cameras picked up like, once a week in the apartments, and they would, like, recap us on, like, the fights that they had that week. Right now, I feel like we're seeing every minute they're only two weeks in the apartment or less before they get married. And I feel like we're seeing every waking minute because they're literally saying, this morning my mom came over, and then the afternoon they're doing tuxes. Like, yeah. I feel like in the past, they've let them sort of breathe a little bit and then caught us up every few days. Whereas now we're watching everything. Like, we watching that. And then also, they don't know how to edit. I guess their editor got sick because they don't know how to trim a fight to, like, the amount of fight that we want to see. Because I don't want to see all that. I'm talking about Annie and Nick's fight her drunk.

[Nicole Richie]

I'm sorry.

[Jackie Schimmel]

That's. I don't want to watch a drunk girl telling her boyfriend he doesn't love her enough. Like, I don't. That's not interesting television, and I don't need it to go on forever.

[Nicole Richie]

Like, she's fucking awful. Like, I fucking hate her.

[Jackie Schimmel]

She's awful. I. I think the temperature is that, like, Nick is the bad guy in the relationship. We'll get to the reason.

[Nicole Richie]

I don't think so, but I.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But even among the cast, like, they're all saying, like, Nick feels so calculated and, like, everything he said was always just, I'm sorry.

[Nicole Richie]

Like, she's crazy. You're not gonna get me to be on her side.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No, I actually really started to come around to him in the last few episodes. Like, this is a man who, like, has his together.

[Nicole Richie]

No. Okay, you know what? Territory.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But anyways, the editor. I don't know what happened to the editor. I hope refer a schlema. You need to get back to work because these episodes are not being edited.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And they're, like, not the most interesting people on the planet.

[Nicole Richie]

So we'll do a TV recap. And then the stories are.

[Jackie Schimmel]

The stories describe them are good. It's like, you know any. Like, if it was a different Jacks today, like, I could have even picked, like, five different stories. They're all sort of, like, interchangeable, you know, nothing like, oh, heavy hitting. So up.

[Nicole Richie]

Feeling. Feeling very spontaneous.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No, not spontaneous, just interchangeable.

[Nicole Richie]

You know, maybe with a dash of spontaneity.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No, I don't. I don't think that there's really a.

[Nicole Richie]

Because I feel like what you just described is kind of, like, textbook definition of spontaneous.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No. Well, then I described it wrong, because they're not spontaneous. They're just sort of, like, interchangeable. There's just, like, a lot of, like, mid stories today, so maybe.

[Nicole Richie]

Maybe, like, sporadic.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I mid. I would say.

[Nicole Richie]

I hope not sporadically, of course.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And then I also started another show yesterday.

[Nicole Richie]

Okay. She's the queen of tv.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Nobody wants this.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, my God. She's four years late. Thank you for finally watching.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And I'm really enjoying it, and I'm excited for season two. Season two is coming out. We've been reporting on it a lot. A lot of, like, new familiar faces are coming in the cast. So I was like, I'm going to get in on this. And I'm like, halfway through the season. And it's just so crazy how, like, the. The sisters on that show, like, they're so Sarah and Aaron Foster. Like, that actress who's playing Sarah Foster.

[Nicole Richie]

Justine Loop, I think her name is.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. She's from Succession. She deserves an Emmy. Like, if I close my eyes, it's Sarah Foster talking. Even, like, the things she says, the way she says them, like, greatest actress of our generation.

[Nicole Richie]

She was pregnant at the time of filming, like, super early days, first trimester. She was talking about that and how difficult it was.

[Jackie Schimmel]

You'd love to see do. And I feel like that show has really influenced the way random people on the street perceive our session. Like, when I tell people that I do a podcast with my sister, they're like, oh, like. Like that show. Nobody wants this. And I'm like, oh, I guess so. And now watching it now I know, like, how to respond because it is sort of like that. But not entirely. We're very. Not entirely.

[Nicole Richie]

They're little, like, a sense of legitimacy.

[Jackie Schimmel]

They're a little crazy, of course, but.

[Nicole Richie]

So are the Foster sisters.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I know, but, like, they're crazy with their podcast. Like, they're always fighting in front of, like, executives.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We would literally never.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, no. And I feel like their. Their relationship is, like, gonna have some tension soon because, like, they keep, like, putting each other down and, like.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah. And, like, one is evolving while the other's not, and, like, that makes it.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But, like, Kristen Bell's also, like, a. To.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Sarah. And, like, didn't think she could take that meeting, but she did a great job in the meeting. Meanwhile, Kristen Bell's in and out of the meeting with her boyfriend. Like, be professional. And you think you're agreed, the better businesswoman.

[Nicole Richie]

Agreed. This is the Better Business Bureau.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Meanwhile, Sarah's there. Sad.

[Nicole Richie]

Exactly.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And is something gonna happen between Sarah and the brother? Please, Lord, no.

[Nicole Richie]

So I feel like they were suggesting that a lot, but then I think that was squashed, like, after the series got really popular. Sarah or Aaron, like, was talking about it, and they were like, no.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Okay, good. Because, like, he's happily, unhappily married.

[Nicole Richie]

And the crazy thing is that, like, the actor. I don't know his name. Like, he's Jonah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, he's Jonah from V. She wasn't named his character Jonah just for, like, continuity.

[Nicole Richie]

Continuity. And it's like a very Jewish name because I will never be able to know him as anything other than Jonah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, he is Jonah, I guess, in the show. He is Sasha. But. But his relationship with his wife, that.

[Nicole Richie]

Doesn'T feel right, though.

[Jackie Schimmel]

It's not like, you know, they're not in the honeymoon. They're not like, Rabbi and.

[Nicole Richie]

Right.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Sarah. They all have four names because they have their cast names, they have their based on. And then they also have their real name in real life.

[Nicole Richie]

Cohen.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So we have Kristen, Sarah, Kristen, Aaron, and what, Joanne?

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah. Well, thank. Welcome. We're so glad to have you here.

[Jackie Schimmel]

We can't wait to hear season two.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah, she made it. Her content plate is slowly getting cleared, you guys.

[Jackie Schimmel]

The wheels of content consumption move slowly, but they grind mighty fine.

[Nicole Richie]

Listen, it's not about the destination. It's about the journey. Not here.

[Jackie Schimmel]

How.

[Nicole Richie]

What else do I want to tell you? I went to the Beverly Hills Hotel yesterday. Didn't see any celebs that had a purge. Alicia Slunch.

[Jackie Schimmel]

You know, I had the celeb.

[Nicole Richie]

You know what I was.

[Jackie Schimmel]

That other people had spotted.

[Nicole Richie]

I was thinking you were somebody.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Shane Dawson. That's beautiful.

[Nicole Richie]

Was that nice? That's true. Actually, I did run into a couple of toasters. Yeah. And just like a. You know, something I wanted to remark on because I've been really negative about la. I had, like, an amazing experience where I ordered a Diet Coke. Me and Ben both did. And I guess the waiter could tell we were, like, chugging them. You know, we weren't gonna be polite. And he just, like, sort of, to make his life easier, brought us a big carafe of D.C. and he kept just like, refilling the carafe and, like, we were free to refill our own drinks. It was really. It was special. It was. And I feel like, bring the pitcher back, you know, whatever happened to the pitcher.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, yeah. I'm team pitcher, craft, whatever you want to call it.

[Nicole Richie]

This one was a carafe, you know, like, it was very, like, very hotel.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But nowadays when I get a soda, when I go out, like, it's my one soda, you know? Okay.

[Nicole Richie]

But not everyone's pregnant now.

[Jackie Schimmel]

We know too much about soda. So I'm not like, I don't want bottomless soda. I want, like, my treat of soda, but I'm not gonna be drinking it like water.

[Nicole Richie]

Okay. But I am, so I think the picture should be an option. Okay, picture, picture. What else do I want to tell you? I haven't even talked to you, like, all day.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No, I literally spoke to you like three times yesterday.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, yeah, I went to the park and had a big chat with you. I forgot about that. We're so caught up. Yeah, I went to the park.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. She's a park goer. She loves.

[Nicole Richie]

They do have nice parks.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I do love to realize that about Turdi.

[Nicole Richie]

Give me a flat walk. Oh, I'm so in. Give me something with incline. I'm not as in, but I'll do it begrudgingly, but it'll be cut short. I went to a really nice park yesterday, and yeah, they got nice parks here.

[Jackie Schimmel]

They do parks and rec.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

That's good. They should.

[Nicole Richie]

Lots of them. Yeah, there's. That's all there is here.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Land, land, nature, High taxes to sustain correct facilities.

[Nicole Richie]

Although I did, like, notice something at the park, and now it's just like, something I'm noticing. Like, people here are obsessed with their dogs. Like, it's very, like a dog friendly town. But more so than that, people are obsessed with having their dogs off leash. I literally, like, was in the hallway of this office building today. There was a woman with her dog off leash. Like, it's very rare in the city that you see a dog off leash. And when you do, everybody in the sidewalk is like, whose dog is that? Like, is he lost? Like, it's so. It's crazy.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

People here, like, I have seen more dogs off leash than I have on leash. When I was at the park yesterday, just chit chatting, gabbing away with my girly on the phone, this dog came up to me. I thought it was a coyote. It was like a. It was black. It was the scariest looking dog ever. And you Know they do have coyotes here. And he, like, came up to my leg. I was like, twice.

[Jackie Schimmel]

She thought it was a. She's evaluating it. She's like, how do I know? But I was like, taking pictures and chat GPT. She was like, oh, you know, he's wearing a collar.

[Nicole Richie]

Then I saw he was wearing a collar, so I figured. But the owner was nowhere in sight. Like, I looked around, I thought somebody would make eye contact with me. Like, yeah, hi. Like, that's my dog. No, nothing. People are obsessed with not having their dogs on leashes here. I guess it's like a flex that you, like, spent a lot of money on training and like, your dog's well behave. Who gives a. And like, it's not even that inconvenient. Like, I understand. Like, yeah, sometimes, you know, I'm not gonna put my seatbelt on. You know, like, it's like, whatever. Putting your dog on a leash is like, not hard. And I'm the laziest person ever.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. I guess I don't have a strong opinion about it. Just don't bite me. And if your dog does bite me, I'm gonna sue the out of you Just know.

[Nicole Richie]

Well, then I feel like we're always hearing, like, about like celebrities or reality stars who go on their Instagrams and tell like a story about something that happened to them at the dog park. And it's always about some bitch ass dog that was off leash.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But at a dog park. Dog should be able to be off leash.

[Nicole Richie]

At a dog park. At a dog park. I was at a park and the park was not enclosed. There was kids everywhere and it wasn't like fenced in. So that's on the street.

[Jackie Schimmel]

It is crazy. You must be really confident. I would let strike. Like, I'm confident in shy guy enough to know that he wouldn't like go and bite someone, but he would go steal someone's food out of their purse. Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

And for that, steal someone's lunch money.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, he really would. So, like, I couldn't have him off leash for that. Romeo would never come back.

[Nicole Richie]

Devastating.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Bye bye, Romeo.

[Nicole Richie]

You know, I could never put Romeo off leash. That's insane.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, I don't. I don't understand the urge is what I'll say.

[Nicole Richie]

Correct.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I don't have that. I don't have those sorts of urges.

[Nicole Richie]

That's good that you can control your urges.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I don't even have them, so I don't have urges of taking my dog off leash. And for those of you who do.

[Nicole Richie]

Like, why and when you hear Dog leash? What do you think? Okay, we don't. We don't have the exact same brain, it turns out.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Like, what?

[Nicole Richie]

Ms. Dog Leash?

[Jackie Schimmel]

What's that from?

[Nicole Richie]

The Downton Abbey movie? She's the American actress who comes and stays at the house.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Oh.

[Nicole Richie]

And then when they turn into a talking movie, she, like, can't talk, so Mary subs in for her.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Right, right, right.

[Nicole Richie]

No, not Mr. Gleesh.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Not even. Not. Okay. The new Downton Abbey movie is available on demand, by the way, I saw.

[Nicole Richie]

It on pay per view in my tv.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I'm gonna have to treat myself a little popcorn, but I'll have to watch it at 4 o' clock for my acid reflux because I can't have popcorn that late. But I'm not watching the movie without popcorn.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah, but watching the movie during the day doesn't hit.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, well, I. Blackout shades. Oh, okay.

[Nicole Richie]

Okay.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I'll just. Like, that counts. I'll put myself.

[Nicole Richie]

Should be on LA time.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I'll put myself on daylight savings.

[Nicole Richie]

Like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Which is coming up, by the way.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, is it?

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, of, like, getting dark super early. Like, cherish these last few days.

[Nicole Richie]

This is gonna be my first daylight savings with a baby. I feel like they say it hits harder because, like, bedtime and stuff, sort.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Of, but it's really not that disruptive. And especially like Fu, he handles every challenge with such grace and poise. And, like, seamlessly, he will crush daylight savings.

[Nicole Richie]

I had a major milestone today.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Okay?

[Nicole Richie]

So I always see. I always feed Fu, like, on my breastfeeding pillow, like, in my lap, like, he lays across my chest. But I've seen, like, on TikTok and stuff that, like, you can, like, feed laying down in bed. Like, you're on your side, baby's on their side, and they just, like, feed from your boob. From your boob. Yeah, sorry, I'm exclusively talking about boob and, like, just the way my jugs are. Like, I can't do that without suffocating him. And this morning I was so tired, I'm like, if I could just be one of those girls on Instagram who sleeps on her side while the baby feeds, like, I would be okay. And you know what? I made it work. I did it. We both survived.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Once again, handling every transition seamlessly for Mr. Fu.

[Nicole Richie]

Yes, exactly. So I'm not really worried about daylight savings. Like, kind of. Ruby's, like, living, like, a bi coastal life right now.

[Jackie Schimmel]

He already has jet lag. Like, he's three. Like, nothing is going to get between him and his sleep schedule.

[Nicole Richie]

Correct.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So honestly. And also, like, this daylight savings, like, where it gets darker earlier, it's, like, cozier. Like, you want to sleep more.

[Nicole Richie]

Yep, yep.

[Jackie Schimmel]

The body, like, oh, I have to go to sleep.

[Nicole Richie]

The body yearns.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But when it's in the summer and it's still bright and parchy out and the kids are like, I have to go to bed. I don't think so.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, that's sad.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I don't think so. And then you wind up going to bed with the sun at 9 o'. Clock.

[Nicole Richie]

9 o'. Clock.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So anyways, they haven't changed daylight savings yet because they were supposed to.

[Nicole Richie]

Even though I know there's legislation up on the hill about it.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Canceled. Usually I'm abreast of what's going on, but it is what it is.

[Nicole Richie]

Listen, maybe next year.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Maybe next year. But, like, I think it helps the farmers and, like, some kids in Alaska going to school with the sun and not having to go to the bus stop in the dark.

[Nicole Richie]

Well, they could use a flashlight, but it's fine.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So for the Alaskans, we, you know.

[Nicole Richie]

If I need to be slightly inconvenienced to. Some kid in Alaska can make it to school on time. Like, you know what?

[Jackie Schimmel]

It doesn't have to, like, go to the bus in the dark.

[Nicole Richie]

Stop. I'm gonna cry.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Not the bus.

[Nicole Richie]

There's something about. I don't know if this is me being, like, an empath or just, like, being extremely postpartum. Like, something about, like, a kid on a bus, like, makes me cry. Yeah, like, it's so precious. Like, your yellow school bus. Like, I'm. I'm seriously gonna cry.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I know the short one.

[Nicole Richie]

No.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Stop.

[Nicole Richie]

I need to, like, move to the suburbs just so I can, like, get my kids on a bus.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So you can cry.

[Nicole Richie]

Literally.

[Jackie Schimmel]

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[Nicole Richie]

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[Jackie Schimmel]

Thank you. Slash church. Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

Welcome.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So last night was the Victoria's secret fashion show. Victoria's secret is back again. For a while.

[Nicole Richie]

They're misappropriating funds because it seems like they spent all their money on paying every model on earth to attend and none on promotion. Because I, along with millions of americans had no idea that this event was taking place last night. Not a commercial, not a TikTok ad, not nothing.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, I don't even know where it streamed. I, of course, did not watch it even once I knew that it was happening. However, there were some highlights. And let's just talk about, like, the overall vibes first. Like, the highlight for me was that Jasmine to opened up the show nine months pregnant. Like, looking part two, which is all I've, like, really wanted the last few years, is like, like, put pregnant women, like, in positions of power, put them on the COVID of Sports Illustrated. Like, opening the Victoria's Secret oneway. Like, that's so gorgeous to me.

[Nicole Richie]

I completely agree. She's so insane looking. She's one of my. I follow her on Instagram. She's one of my favorite people to follow. She married, like this very, very wealthy, like, diplomat or something for like a Spanish country or something. Like, really power delicious. So she's always attending, like, world affairs. She's pregnant with her second baby. She's a former Victoria's Secret model. She's insane looking. Her body looked amazing. Like, seriously insane. Loved. That is probably the only positive thing I have to say about this. Yeah. Obsessed.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Me too. And especially, like, for a brand, it's a big one. Meant to, like, celebrate women like other brands do too. Like, I think being pregnant, having babies is like the most impressive thing that a woman does with her body. So celebrating it is just, like, really beautiful.

[Nicole Richie]

And agreed.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I. I felt seen. Of course. Of course.

[Nicole Richie]

No, I loved it. Other than that, like, I was unimpressed and I have such a hot take and I don't know if the world is ready to hear it.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Okay, so the models included, like, a lot of the former bombshells. Adriana Lee, which is fun. Candace Swan, Pole. Honestly, most of them were like the former Victoria girls. There were a couple of new peeps, like, Angel Reese walked.

[Nicole Richie]

But no, you're like, they were people who aren't traditionally models. Like, Madison Beer walked.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

Influencers walked. Angel Reese, who's an athlete, which is fun to like, throw people in from different. I'm not. I'm not partial to only models.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, I wasn't mad about that. Like, Amelia Gray walked for the first time. She's a model. So, like, she's a new model. Angel. She's like next gen. Irina Shake walked. The classics. Bahati Prince Lou. Mm. So we had a bunch of.

[Nicole Richie]

So it seems like they checked a lot of boxes.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yes. Classic Suny Lee.

[Nicole Richie]

Yes. They did athletes, they did influencers, they did singers. Carol G. Walked and performed. They had Their OG models, they had the new generation of models. And I just have something to say. And I feel like it goes against, like, this new world where it's like, everyone's invited to everything, and it's, like, inclusion. And I. I'm a big fan. Like, I. To see, obviously, I've, like, seen. I've been different bodies my whole life. I love to see different bodies. But it is fun when something feels, like, a little bit exclusive, you know, like, kind of. It used to be. It used to be too exclusive. Right. And, like, nobody could even get booked. And it was the same, like, 12 girls every year. And every time there was someone new, it was, like, great. But she looks like everybody else. Like, I understand why it wasn't perfect, but now it's like, well, why don't I just walk? Like everyone's there. Like, it's just, like, not. I don't know, like, exclusive at all interesting.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But it's like, when it was those 12 girls who all look the same, like, that was when it was great. So it's.

[Nicole Richie]

We loved it. Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

It's weird. And I actually, like, I have no advice to give Victoria's Secret, because I actually feel like this year they kind of went back to the classics. They picked all the old supermodels. They got the new models. Like, they got all the big names. And, like, still, it just kind of feels old and tired and. But I feel like in the last few years, they tried to do, you know, swing the pendulum the other way and did, like, it was even more inclusive and, like. And that was also a mess. I genuinely don't know how to advise them to, like, get me to feel something about this show ever again.

[Nicole Richie]

They're unadvisable. And you know what it is? It just feels so forced. I just know that everybody's there because they were paid a lot to be there. Whereas I feel like, you know, Sports Illustrated in Miami swim week have really put Victoria's Secret on the balls of its ass. Specifically, like, their annual event where they have all the models come.

[Jackie Schimmel]

The sports illustration suit. Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

And, like, they had Stassi, and I thought that was, like, great. And they tap influencers. They tap people from different areas, and it feels like those people are so excited and they're. I don't know this to be a fact. It feels like they're doing it for free, like, because it's just, like, an honor to be there.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Not.

[Nicole Richie]

I just feel like everybody was paid to be there last night.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. I. I really don't know what to tell them. I feel like they. And the thing is, even when they stopped doing the show, I'm like, bring back the show. Don't give in. Now the show's back. I'm like, maybe stop doing the show. Now the show has all the OG bombshells. And I'm like, maybe don't have them. And then when they don't have them, I'm like. I'm like, bring back the bombshells. I think it was. So, yeah, like, nothing that they do is going to move me. And, yeah, I know what didn't. Because even though this should be, like, on a report card, like, a plus, you got the big names, you got the new names, you. You got a little performance. You had fun.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah. No, it's not moving me because I've moved on, and I think a lot of people have, and it's just, like, the harder they try, like, the sadder it is.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. I don't know how you turn it around.

[Nicole Richie]

I don't know either. I feel like we have this conversation.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Every year, but every year, like, I have a bit of advice to give. Like, hey, why don't you bring. I don't know how you can get me to care or, like, feel anything or be, like, inside.

[Nicole Richie]

I know how, like, Alex Earl should have opened the show.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Well, Alex Earl should have opened the show, by the way.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah, she's busy, but, yeah, she probably.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Was offered to do it.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah, her sister was in attendance. I saw, like, Page Six posted stars. Yeah, she definitely was offered. Like, she.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Who were all the performers? Carol, actually.

[Nicole Richie]

I don't know. She has, like, that Sports Illustrated relationship, so maybe she doesn't want to, but.

[Jackie Schimmel]

A lot of these girls do.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah, I guess.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Did Tate McCray perform?

[Nicole Richie]

Did she? That would have been a good performance.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I heard someone walking to her song, but I don't know if it was live.

[Nicole Richie]

Did Tate McCray perform?

[Jackie Schimmel]

And Carol G performed, and I feel like there was a girl group that performed.

[Nicole Richie]

It's just like, they were too successful. We're just always comparing it, right to, like, when Rihanna sang and Taylor Swift SAG and Fall Out Boy and, like, all those iconic performances that I've watched on YouTube a thousand times. Like, they're competing against themselves, therefore they will always lose.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. So I'm sorry.

[Nicole Richie]

No, she did not. She did not. But her song Sports Car was featured on the Runway portion. And by the way, Tate McCray would have been a perfect choice. Young. They're using her music anyway, so it's, like, seamless. She has an insane Body.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And she would have been like.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

There are actually a lot of great people who could have performed who are like, the elk of Victoria's Secret. Performer.

[Nicole Richie]

Right. Like, that's the best. When someone's a performer and you're like, well, are they also a model? Like, when Taylor Swift was walking, she looked like every other.

[Jackie Schimmel]

That's kind of like Madison Beer. Like, she didn't say Madison Beer.

[Nicole Richie]

No, she walked, right?

[Jackie Schimmel]

Why not?

[Nicole Richie]

She should have sung. Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Why not sing? But I'm excited for her that she walked. It's actually a really big deal for her.

[Nicole Richie]

I'm here for the comeuppance of Madison Beer. I feel like I don't know how exactly. I just feel like the industry has wronged her. She was, like, Justin Bieber's prodigy. She's, like, the prettiest girl alive with the most amazing singing voice. There's no reason she's, like, not famous. I know, but, like, something happened. Like, I don't know, something fishy.

[Jackie Schimmel]

You think? Sometimes.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah. There's, like, a lot of rumors about her.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Sometimes people just don't take.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah, but, like, there are. There are things, like, out there about her.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Oh, okay.

[Nicole Richie]

And then she had, like, beef with her management. She left Scooter Braun. Like, there was, like. There was, like, drama.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Okay, well, I'm just, like, happy for her boyfriend now.

[Nicole Richie]

Me too.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Like, that feels like a win.

[Nicole Richie]

Did you see Josh Allen gave an interview about his wife and said, like, seriously, the most beautiful thing anybody's ever said. I, like, wanted to smack Ben after I saw it. I'm like, you never say anything like that about me.

[Jackie Schimmel]

You sound like Edmund.

[Nicole Richie]

Stop. It was, bar none, the sweetest, most amazing thing anybody's ever said.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

Let me. Throwing Ben under the bus. Sorry. That was mean. Like, Ben says nice things about me all the time.

[Jackie Schimmel]

He does. Do you want to tell everyone what Josh said?

[Nicole Richie]

I can't remember, but I just remember being deeply moved by it. Do you want me to find it?

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, I saw, too. They were asked, like, what's, like, the best thing, what she's taught you, and.

[Nicole Richie]

And he said, like, I'm more than a football player.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. No, it was really beautiful.

[Nicole Richie]

Josh Allen reveals biggest thing he's learned from his wife, Hailee Steinfeld, maybe that I'm more than a football player. My whole dream as a kid was to be in this position, and I never thought of anything outside of that or beyond that. But there's life after it as well. Getting married, it was the coolest. It was the most important Day of my life. And then all that other stuff is just kind of the cherry on top. Stop. I love him. My wife. My wife is unbelievable. Undeniable rock star in her world, in her life, and as a person, she's everything that I need in my life. No, I'm sick.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I'm sick.

[Nicole Richie]

I love him so much. I love them. Honestly, I'm. I think it's time, like, I become a Bills fan.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But I also feel like now that they're married and, like, settled, I'm ready for Madison and Josh.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, I thought you were gonna say, I'm ready for her to have a baby. And I'm like, you're so toxic.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No, no, I was gonna say, like, I need something new and exciting. Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

To get excited.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And, of course, like, Taylor and Travis, we have. But, like, Madison and Josh, like, really remind me of Josh, of a young Haley, and.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So. And she could, like, leave it all behind, especially this toxic industry that has wronged her, as you say. And she could just, like, be there for her charger.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah. For her charger.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Her charger's not charging on his iPad. Because it got you.

[Nicole Richie]

Because he's got your iPad instead of mine. Yeah, Love.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So that's good. And now, like, his girlfriend's, like, a Victoria's Secret model.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, wait. And Hailee Steinfeld would have been an amazing performer slash model.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

If she were to have been invited. She has so many songs. Like, so most girls, myself. No, most girls. Yeah. Like, she has so many good anthems.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

For this type of event. Honestly, put us in charge. That's my advice. I feel like every year we need to give advice. Here is my advice. Put me in charge.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No, that's always what we say about everything. And this is the first time I'm saying, like, I can't offer my services to you. Like, you're.

[Nicole Richie]

No, I can't.

[Jackie Schimmel]

You're beyond help.

[Nicole Richie]

There are certain people, like, if you attach them to a project, like, it will be a success no matter what.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Now, obviously, like, Sean McNamara.

[Nicole Richie]

Correct.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Kenny Ortega.

[Nicole Richie]

If they could have swindled by the. Put Kitty Ortega. The Victoria's Secret Fashion Show. Give those models some dancing, some choreography also.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. Like, you know, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna critique the models because I'm not one, but, like.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah. Because they're just doing their job.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Just, like, get in there. Give me a little.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Something popping long. Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, Shout out Barbara Palvin. She's just my favorite. I feel like the Victoria's Secret Fashion show is the only opportunity I get to talk about her. And that one time she was like a size six, maybe she gained like five pounds. And they considered her a plus size model. And they were like, look at us. We're inclusive. And she had like, the most normal, amazing body on the planet.

[Jackie Schimmel]

You always say that. But then someone said like, that she wasn't like. She wasn't.

[Nicole Richie]

She was. She was considered, like, mid size.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Okay.

[Nicole Richie]

When she was just normal. And her husband, Dylan Sprouse was there all night passing out little pins for endometriosis.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Awareness.

[Nicole Richie]

Awareness he brought. He was like. When he was getting interviewed and anybody asked him, he had extra pins in his pocket and was giving them out because he said, Barbara just had her endo surgery. Like, stop. I love them.

[Jackie Schimmel]

That's really sweet. They did look like hostage pins, which was also like.

[Nicole Richie]

I know. Which I was excited about.

[Jackie Schimmel]

A nice nod to the hostages.

[Nicole Richie]

It is. But the good news is that there are no hostages right now.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Alive.

[Nicole Richie]

Right.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So that is good news.

[Nicole Richie]

So it would have been. It would have been a little late for the pin, honestly.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So that's the BS Fashion show. Like, hopefully it's not. Doesn't come back again next year, but we'll keep you posted.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah, hopefully it doesn't come back.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Next story. A little more fashion news. Sophia Richie Grange. His new brand launched today. So SRG Atelier is a container.

[Nicole Richie]

I have a question. Am I just, like, out of the loop because I'm in LA and like, I go to bed, like, at a time where everybody else is asleep, and I wake up and it's like, late? Or was the Victoria's Secret Fashion Showdown marketed well? And neither was this launch because I didn't hear about either of these things.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Victoria's Secret Fashion show was not marketed well. I think I mostly learned about it from Madison lacroix because she was going and getting ready all day, and she was amazing. Zandra also, who was going and getting ready all day. That's how I learned about it.

[Nicole Richie]

I learned better from Sandra as well.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So you're not wrong for that. SRG Italia, it's. I mean, it's. It's the launch of a fashion brand. It's like a collab with Revolve. It's not gonna be like, oh, it is, it is. But it's meant to be a standalone brand. They're comparing it to, like, Helsa by Elsa Haas, which I think is a really good comparison because, like, she's the face of the brand. But now the brand has legs, like, outside of Elsa.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah, but it's like is hot. Elsa's backed by Revolve too.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, I think it started as that got it. And right now like SRG Atelier has their own website, but it's like powered by Revolve.

[Nicole Richie]

That's actually smart. I like that business wise.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And I think also it's. They're comparing. It's like Nicole Richie's House of Harlow, which is also like powered by Revolve Forward etc and exists outside of Nicole now. But it didn't start as a result.

[Nicole Richie]

It started as like a self funded brand by Nicole and then she, I, I think partnered with Revolve to like, you know, they have all the infrastructure, they make clothes. Like, it's actually a really smart business move for Revolve.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, exactly. So SRG Atelier launched today. It will be on Revolve and Forward as well as on the DTC site for srg, which is also operated on the back end by Revolve. So it's all the same. But she gets to like have her own site. It's a 56 piece collection.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, wow.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Reminiscent of Sophia's personal styles. Neutrals mixed with pops of color, linens, beige coats. The prices range from about $250 on the lowest end to almost $2,000 for a coat. So there.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, it's expensive.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. But they like, they're really emphasizing the quality. They're saying for the quality of these pieces, the prices are as low as they could possibly be.

[Nicole Richie]

Okay. I just want to say I have been tough on it because I really don't like the name, but it's really pretty stuff. I think it makes sense for her that it would be like a little bit more high end because this is like kind of like the Ariel's charness effect, where it's like you're selling a $40 sweater, you wear $4,000 sweaters. Like, why would we believe you? And I think that's where she really struggled to like wear her own clothes. And everything Sofia Gritchie Grange wears is a million dollars. So if she had done like a, an Amazon line, she didn't have made sense for kids.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I loved it for kids.

[Nicole Richie]

That's different. So I kind of obviously, like, I don't like that the prices are more expensive. But for her, like it does make a lot more sense. It makes her look like a little bit more authentic.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

And I'm looking at the pieces. Oh, this coat is really nice. Oh, it's really, it's. So I gotta get back to New York. I gotta get out of here. I gotta get out of here.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I want to get on.

[Nicole Richie]

The jackets are sick. Honestly. Go to the Lincoln bio for I.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Am on the Revol, like, brand side.

[Nicole Richie]

Wait, this is weird. I'm on forward.com.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Okay.

[Nicole Richie]

And you know when, like, there's an item and it says new or, like, selling fast, some of the items it says it's in demand. 10 sold in five days.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Oh, that's weird.

[Nicole Richie]

In demand. Six. Six sold in five days.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Even here on Revolve Trending. Seven sold.

[Nicole Richie]

That's weird.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

By the way, I'm gonna shop. Oh, let's see. Is it size inclusive? Oh.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Oh, I like this Laurel jacket.

[Nicole Richie]

No, wait. It's all really pretty.

[Jackie Schimmel]

500 doll hairs.

[Nicole Richie]

She loves an asymmetrical hemline or, like, an asymmetrical neckline. It's. Everything is either, like, mullet on one side or one arm. It's really pretty stuff. You guys, I'm shook. I was ready to be a hater. You know me.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. It is really nice, elegant stuff. I'm sure the quality is really good because she will be held to a different style standard if she's charging $2,000 for things.

[Nicole Richie]

Right.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And I think this is, like, a really great idea with endless potential.

[Nicole Richie]

I agree. I'm very impressed.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And I think that Helsa and House of Harlow are really good comparisons for what it could be.

[Nicole Richie]

You know what I'm thinking? But maybe it's just in my brain because I just watched that documentary, Victoria Beckham. It's giving a little bit. Victoria Beckham.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. Except kept a little bit lower end than that.

[Nicole Richie]

Yes. It's not a fashion house because it's, like, partnered with Revolve. But it being on Forward too, makes it, like, a little bit more, you know.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

Sorry, I mean, forward. Forward.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So that's what Ms. Richie Grange has been up to, and I'm glad that it's here. I'm excited.

[Nicole Richie]

Me too. I'm ready for the rebrand, though. The name is not working for me. Products. It doesn't roll off the tongue.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Product launches Excite me. Doing what you said we're gonna do. Doing what you said we were gonna do excites me.

[Nicole Richie]

You know who else is doing this we didn't even talk about? Gwyneth is launching, like, a true fashion label. She already had, like, goop clothing, but this one's called. She just posted about it. I forget what it's called something, you know, G.P. gwyneth. It's called. What is it called? It's Gwyn G W Y N Gwen Gwyn. And I love that too.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. Actually our next story is about Gwyneth.

[Nicole Richie]

So if I may I any opportunity to talk about the most amazing woman. I just love her.

[Jackie Schimmel]

It's actually about three of our favorite people.

[Nicole Richie]

Kylie, Timothy and Gwyneth.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yes, Gwyneth Paltry.

[Nicole Richie]

That's literally, that is literally this show. This is like, that is like this era of the show. You know, we always get like obsessed with people but like we've been in this era for a while.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. Gwyneth did not know that her co star Timothy Chalamet's young girlfriend with two kids was Kylie Jenner. So Gwyneth gave an interview to British Vogue and she confessed that her, she's.

[Nicole Richie]

On the COVID September edition.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. She's starring in this new Marty Supreme Ping Kong movie with Timothy and she said that in general she gets made fun of for not knowing anything. And one example of that is that when she was shooting this movie with Timothy she like had no idea who his girlfriend was and she actually was praising him for being a 29 year old man who was involved with a young woman who has two kids. She was like I, I was like.

[Nicole Richie]

Like not Gwyneth sinking. It's like some down on her luck single mom when it's literally like billionaire Kylie Jenner. Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

That he just like you know, embrace.

[Nicole Richie]

I mean picked up this woman off.

[Jackie Schimmel]

The street is Kylie. But he is with a single mother of two kids. That's just not how you think of her because you know her of so many other things and like, like no.

[Nicole Richie]

But also when you hear the phrase single mom, you a billionaire doesn't come to mind. You think of somebody who's like using you know, one Reese, one set of resources for an entire family.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

You think financial, she said.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I was like that's so cool. I really love to hear that from a young man like you. I understand a 45 year old who has his own kids going out with a woman with kids. But it's a cool choice for him. I respect it. I think it's kind of punk rock because you know she has two kids and when she was technically she's a blended queen. She was a single mom with two kids. When she met Brad Falcha. She could understand, understand why he with his own kids would connect with her. She confessed that she did not know it was Kylie Jenner who is the young single mother girlfriend of Timothy Chalamet.

[Nicole Richie]

Hilarious. Do you think that they hung out at all? Yeah, maybe they will like you know Press coming out for this movie. But did the three of them get together? I could so keep see Kylie and Gwyneth actually getting along amazingly. What if it's like, a girly?

[Jackie Schimmel]

I feel like, yes, they were definitely, like, on set, on location. Kylie was definitely there and they definitely got together.

[Nicole Richie]

I like, this is who Kylie needs to be hanging out with. Not Charlie xcx. Gwyneth.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Charlie xcx.

[Nicole Richie]

Like, no, not the vibe. Kylie.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. Everyone's talking about Marty supreme, though.

[Nicole Richie]

I'm looking forward to seeing it because, you know, I've only seen one Timothy Chalamet movie. Like, fun fact about me is that I've never seen any of his popular movies. I've never seen Wonka. I've never seen Call me by your name. I just saw that Bob Dylan one and I'm gonna say it. It was terrible. And he was terrible. Like, the whole thing was awful. So I'm coming to this Tabula rasa. I'm gonna pretend like Marty supreme is the first movie I've seen that Timothy Chalamet's in. I've also never seen him in Little Women. Like, I. I really don't. I don't think I consume his work right.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I mean, Zach watched Wonka and I was in the background. Oh, Jackie making a brisket. But I didn't.

[Nicole Richie]

We watched. We watched Ladybird together.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Oh, we did. I don't recall him being in it.

[Nicole Richie]

I think he was. Oh, no, he wasn't in it.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But, like, he wasn't the Ladybird himself.

[Nicole Richie]

Tell me, do you feel this call? Do you get Timothy Chalamet confused with Saoirse Ronan?

[Jackie Schimmel]

No.

[Nicole Richie]

They to me are like, I don't struggle with that. I struggle.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Oh, we watched A rainy day in New York. That was a lot of Timothy.

[Nicole Richie]

We did Woody Allen, Selena Gomez.

[Jackie Schimmel]

We liked it.

[Nicole Richie]

We did. We did. It was cutesy.

[Jackie Schimmel]

It was full on. Timothy Selener Leaner.

[Nicole Richie]

Is that a story today?

[Jackie Schimmel]

What about her.

[Nicole Richie]

Her weird Instagram story last night, what was it about?

[Jackie Schimmel]

Crying?

[Nicole Richie]

No, she posted a phone number.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No, I didn't see this at all.

[Nicole Richie]

It was just like a random picture of a wall. And she posted the phone number and she said, let me just pull it up. Posted the phone number and it's important. Worth noting. I learned to the comments that the zip code. No, no area code. Was South Jersey. Okay. Taking advantage of me and my love for that. Sorry, let me start over. Taking advantage of me and my love for my friends. Enjoy that person's number. When Jake T. Austin is in trouble, I need to hear from him and him only. So, for those who don't know, Jake T. Austin played her little brother in Wizards of Waverly Place. I have no idea what this is referring to, but.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Okay.

[Nicole Richie]

Blew up someone's phone number.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So I did. See, she exposed a scammer that was impersonating J.T. austin after, like, a fraud attempt. So that's a crazy.

[Nicole Richie]

Sometimes I feel like she forgets she has 400 million followers.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So the person seemingly fabricated a crisis to exploit her loyalty and her emotional connection to J.T. austin, and so she put him on blast.

[Nicole Richie]

Well, you know what? I do feel like this is an important lesson. That, like, if even Selena Gomez, like, a billionaire pop star, can get scammed, really, there's no hope for the rest of us. Like, she. You would think she has, like, things in place to stop her from being the victim of, like, a phishing scam, but yet here she is. Here we all are. You guys call your parents. Make sure they're not giving anyone their credit card information over the phone.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, it's definitely a weird story. And, like, the person who the phone number was linked to, like, has been linked to Jake T. Was it Jen Shaw? No, the person. I'm not gonna. Like, I don't want, like, seriously, what a stupid story. No, I know the person had previously. Austin. Jake Johnson had previously mentioned working with someone with a similar name to this person who the phone number drives you in June. So he's, like, affiliated with Jake T.

[Nicole Richie]

Where it sounds like Jake T. Has, like, you know, scammers in his camp.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Why is all of our problem so true?

[Nicole Richie]

Like, we all are all going through.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Our own difficulties getting pot spam calls.

[Nicole Richie]

Like, we are all just trying to not go throughout the day with getting our identities. Tollen.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But we are all missing important calls because we're screening them because we think that they're spam calls.

[Nicole Richie]

So true.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And we are all, every day, being told that we're not. That we haven't paid our taxes, even though we have. And the IRS doesn't call you, but you still start to question yourself when it's every single day.

[Nicole Richie]

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the IRS will not call you. You will get a letter in the mail. If anybody calls you from the IRS for, like, your Social Security number, it is a scam. Put the phone down and walk away. You're gonna be okay. They'll get you by mail.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. So, like, we're all sort of, like, on our own journeys with spam, right? And no one is immune.

[Nicole Richie]

And I can't take on, like, your spam issues, Selena. Like, I just can't.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No. So that's what happened with Selena.

[Nicole Richie]

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[Jackie Schimmel]

You're welcome to have some broth right now.

[Nicole Richie]

Yummy broth season.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Our next story, Splitsville for Tom Cruise and Anna de Armas.

[Nicole Richie]

Really? Yep.

[Jackie Schimmel]

They have reportedly split after less than a year of dating. It feels like less than four months of dating. But the two no longer felt a spark and realized they were better off as friends. A source has told the Sun. The spark has gone between them, but they still love each other's company and they've both been really adult about it. They're remaining friendly.

[Nicole Richie]

If anyone listening to this podcast knows Anna's arm is personally, like, keep an eye on her. If something. I just feel like if anything happens to Anna de Armas, like, we know why.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I just feel like it wasn't that deep. Like, she's not. She wasn't like, in it enough for her to feel like the full wrath.

[Nicole Richie]

Or maybe like, she saw how crazy this was because he wouldn't date anyone who's not in Scientology. Or maybe like, you know, they say the Jews are on Hollywood, but like, it's really the Scientologists. And I think that maybe she thought it would revitalize kind of like a dwindling career in, in TV and film. And maybe the roles weren't coming in in the way that she thought it was. And she was like, all right, dating this old man is not worth it anymore. I'm out.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But I just, if that's the case, she didn't give it enough time.

[Nicole Richie]

How long was.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Feels like it was just, let's see, six months even.

[Nicole Richie]

Like, even she could see, like, the auditions. Like, maybe it just wasn't picking up. And maybe she just had a hard time stomaching it. Like, it's really not attractive.

[Jackie Schimmel]

They met on a set of something. I feel like they were working together. That's why in the beginning it was like, are they dating or are they just, like right after? So, like, the movie hasn't even come out yet. Like, if that's the case, she didn't give it enough time, so. I don't think that's the case. Like, I. I just feel like she should have, like, you know, seen it through, maybe just the spark.

[Nicole Richie]

I don't know. I just feel like if she's gonna use her dating life to, like, elevate her career, like, she could just date like, so many other people. I mean, she's beautiful.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, she could.

[Nicole Richie]

She's a hundred.

[Jackie Schimmel]

He. I know, but, like, he has, like, a track. Like, his movies are so successful. He, like, he's a true traditional movie star. His relationships are always a big deal. They never even went on a red carpet together. They didn't even give it a, like, the full shot is what I'm saying.

[Nicole Richie]

Maybe they were never dating.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I think that they were, but, like.

[Nicole Richie]

The story makes no sense to me. Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Because I just feel like he doesn't do anything halfway.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah. Them dating makes no sense. Them breaking out makes no sense. Like, the whole thing makes no sense.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But it's over now, and I don't believe in love anymore. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Some really crazy allegations, because Kevin Federline has a new memoir coming out, and he is sharing a lot of really, like, negative stuff about Britney. And she has issued a statement in response to some of the headlines coming out from excerpts from his new memoir. The book is called you thought you knew. And it. There's an excerpt that was published in the New York Times where there, he claims that their kids woke up to Britney watching them sleep, quote, with a knife in her hand. In the penultimate chapter, he writes of her condition, saying, the clock is ticking and we're getting close, close to the 11th hour. Something bad is going to happen if things don't change. And my biggest fear is that our sons will be left holding the pieces. He also alleged that she did cocaine while breastfeeding their son. So there's just, like, a lot of crazy allegations in this memoir.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah. And I think people automatically dismiss anything Kevin Federline says because, like, he just, like, they. The joke is that he's a couch potato who never works and just cashes Britney's checks for child support. And now that both of the kids are 18, he's not getting child support anymore. So he has to write a book about Britney to, you know, pay for his life. And while all of that may very well be true, I don't think enough gets said about the fact that, like, you know, and Britney has admitted herself, like, she hasn't been able to fulfill her duties as a mom and he has been there as a dad and I. I'm inclined to believe him. I know like everybody just dismisses everything he says because he's like thirsty and poor or whatever. But no, really, like he just. Nobody takes him seriously. But I don't know of everyone there, he has been there the whole time, you know?

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

And also, I don't think you can.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Say stuff like this about someone. I mean, you can't without having something to back it up. Because she could sue him for like defamation and libel. Right.

[Nicole Richie]

She would have to prove that that's not true.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. So I don't think he's writing a book and I don't think anyone's publishing a book book that's just made up.

[Nicole Richie]

In the New York Times.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And like major publishing house is publishing a book with sounds.

[Nicole Richie]

Who's publishing it.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Such claims that is he self publishing could potentially be. Not true. I don't think his self published memoir would wind up in the New York Times.

[Nicole Richie]

New York Times. I just want to say you thought you knew. Yeah. Here. It's crazy that he was like a backup dancer. I just want to see who published it. Like if it's legit.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Listen.

[Nicole Richie]

Publisher is listening. I don't know what that is. Let me just look it up.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, it's probably like us, you know, an imprint. We all watch younger.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

We know the book world.

[Nicole Richie]

It's listening, not listening. Punisher. I hate these people.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Listening Publisher.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh God. Random House. There we go.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No, are you sure they have a listening library?

[Nicole Richie]

Like that's just a hard word to Google. It is. Oh, you're right. It is a listening library.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I got. Wait. Listen in. Do not auto listen in.

[Nicole Richie]

You know they're autocorrect me. Who. Who owns. Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Random House. No. Listening library. I said listen in.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, listen in. I have no idea.

[Jackie Schimmel]

By the way. This publishing house does not exist.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, you think? Okay, that doesn't bode well. But why would the New York Times publish it then?

[Jackie Schimmel]

I don't know. Audio for it's an audio first publishing company listening. So it's like an audiobook. Okay, you guys, we have to dig deeper. But anyways, I want to share what Brittany's response has been because that is fair. So she posted to Instagram on Wednesday saying the constant gaslighting for my ex husband is extremely hurtful and exhausting. I have always pleaded and scream to have a life with my boys. Relationships with teenage boys is complex. I have felt demoralized by the situation. I've always asked and almost begged for them to be a part of my life. Sadly, they have always witnessed the lack of respect shown by their own father for me. They need to take responsibility for themselves. With one son only see me for 45 minutes in the past five years and the other with only four visits in the past five years. I have pride too. From now on, I will let them know when I am available. Then she talks about the book. She said, trust me, those white lies in that book, they're going straight to the bank. And I'm the only one who genuinely gets hurt here. I will always love them. And if you really know me, you won't pay attention to the tabloids of my mental health and drinking. I'm actually a pretty intelligent woman who has been trying to live a sacred and private life the past five years. I speak on this because I have had enough and any real woman would do the same.

[Nicole Richie]

You know, I so badly want to like Champion and believe her. I do. But there's something to be said about the fact that those boys choose not to live with her and not to speak to her.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Well, it's not. They're 19 and 20 now, so it's not even about living together, but 45 minutes in the last five years.

[Nicole Richie]

No, but I'm saying that's their choice. And even before they turned 18, they were living with him. That was their choice. The breastfeeding while doing cocaine is such an insane allegation. I've obviously taken it personally since I'm breastfeeding and I won't even take Ozempic. I don't know. I don't know. I. It begs the question, you know, you know, I don't know.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I know. It's like, it's really sickening. It's sickening if it's true and it's sickening if he made it up. Like everything is, I don't know.

[Nicole Richie]

Kevin Federline. And I'm not saying he's like the best, most amazing, honest, truthful guy. He definitely like, doesn't have a job and he definitely like uses Britney's money at his own discretion, but he does also use it to did as a single dad. As a single dad? Yeah. Maybe when, you know, using it in the best, most perfect way. But of all the people stealing from Britney over the last 10 years, I'm really not that mad at Kevin Federline.

[Jackie Schimmel]

The one doing it, raising the kids.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah, maybe he was using half the money on like sports betting, but the kids Were getting dressed and going to school, you know?

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

So I don't know. I'm just not one of these people who's, like, jumping to Britney's defense because, like, Kevin's a couch potato. Couch potatoes deserve love, too, okay?

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

And ketchup potatoes are good. Could be good dads.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. And he's never going to beat those allegations. Like, I've just never heard Kevin Federline. That really changed. Never say, like, Kevin Federline, author. Right, right.

[Nicole Richie]

It's always Kevin Federline. Crackhead, Crackhead. Oh, my God. Couch potato.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Always Kevin Federline. Gold digger.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah. Now, by the way, it's not a crime.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Now he can add author to his resume.

[Nicole Richie]

Doing cocaine while breastfeeding. That is a crime. Being like a. I'm trying to think.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Of the word in Yiddish.

[Nicole Richie]

It's like, yeah, like, being a kaza. Not a crime.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No.

[Nicole Richie]

I just never heard anything about Kevin Federline that has, like, definitively changed my opinion of him in such a negative way. Like, no, people are not perfect, of course, but, like, I don't know. I'm just not.

[Jackie Schimmel]

What?

[Nicole Richie]

I'm not inclined to, like, always defend Britney against him. What? Because he's lazy? So am I. I have to say.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I read her book, and if there was, like, a time to, like, you know, and he didn't come off well or anything, but I actually don't remember really anything that he did that was, like.

[Nicole Richie]

Like, so awful.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. Aside from, like, the custody stuff, but.

[Nicole Richie]

Well, I stand.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But, like, if someone's.

[Nicole Richie]

I mean, I believe that she should not have had custody of those boys.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Like, yeah, it's. It's a mess.

[Nicole Richie]

It's a mess. And it's like, it's getting worse, and.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I need to relatively.

[Nicole Richie]

Quiet.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I know. Sickening to talk about. Let's talk about Love is Blind.

[Nicole Richie]

Okay.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I watched Crazy Denverians.

[Nicole Richie]

Okay. So many thoughts. Mostly about Annie and her crazy hair. It's, like, not talked about enough that she's a hairstylist. Like, that's insane. No, the. For the crazy thing is that, like, she basically manifested this breakup into existence. Right.

[Jackie Schimmel]

The whole time she spoke it into existence.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

She's so insecure. It's like, nobody wants to be around that. Like, I. And it comes out really bad when she's drunk. Like, I feel like I like you more than you like me. I feel like you're gonna say no. She's just so insecure. And so, you know what? Like, he spoke his truth. Because I don't know if that would have been his truth if she hadn't been such a misery.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. And as much as I think he's gonna get, I really do think publicly, like, people just didn't like him to begin with. And in the pods, I didn't like him. I didn't get him. But then throughout, like, getting to know him, seeing his house, seeing his family, I'm like, oh, this is. He's, like, very athletic. He's very industrious and, like, entrepreneurial.

[Nicole Richie]

Unique fellow.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. Like, he has his together and he has his life together. And, like, I think he's really serious about, like, wanting a wife and starting a family. Family. And so, like, I'm, like, trusting his reasons for, like, being on the show. And I actually thought they were one of the stronger couples, but, like, so did I. Every time, like, we see them especially, I think now it has to do, like, more with the drinking. She's like, you don't love me. And the way.

[Nicole Richie]

So annoying.

[Jackie Schimmel]

It's not even what she's saying, which is, like, one of the most annoying things a person could say, but it's also, like, the way that she's saying it. Like, the way she's like, her facials are. I couldn't.

[Nicole Richie]

Swallowing her words.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And, like, eyes closed. Like, I could not live with that for the rest of my life.

[Nicole Richie]

Seriously. Go to sleep.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah, go to sleep. Don't drink if that's how you're gonna be. But I think people are gonna fault him for, like, ending it when he did. And I think the other couple.

[Nicole Richie]

Why, it's nicer than making her go to the altar.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I think the other couples are, like, probably saying the same. That, like, you know, he seemed fake.

[Nicole Richie]

Whatever.

[Jackie Schimmel]

There are three other couples who should. Who should be ending it right now as well.

[Nicole Richie]

Okay, so can we agree that Jordan and Sparkle are so cute? Like, I'm obsessed with them.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. They should get married. I hope they do get married. He's all in. He said, like, unless, like, she punches my son in the face, like, I'm saying yes. Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

And obviously, for her, it's just, like, not who she thought she was going to be with. And obviously he has a kid, so that's just, like, a big life change. But I need Sparkle Megan to just, like, dive head in. I love them together.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I think she stove and head in. I think it's a little weird for her that, like, she is going to marry someone who has a kid who she's gotten the opportunity to meet once. Because once he's not filming, which I don't like, of course not.

[Nicole Richie]

Of course.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Like a really big decision.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah. But at least the kid doesn't live with him full time. So it's not like a. I don't think he lives with him ever.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No, but I think he. I think they have split custody because in the first episode they said he's a single dad. So I'm like, oh, where's the. When I hear that, I'm like, so the mom's not in the picture.

[Nicole Richie]

She died. Right.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But then the mom is very much in the picture. She said, like, they talk and they're talking about him. Luca, right? That's his name.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Or not. And then he said it's pretty much 50. 50 custody. Because somebody asked him.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah, but then somebody asked. I think they were out with her friends and they were like, so does he live with you? Is he gonna live with you? No, never.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But he. But he. But Jordan.

[Nicole Richie]

Maybe they meant in, like, in the apartment. Like, this big apartment?

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yes, I think that's what they meant.

[Nicole Richie]

Okay.

[Jackie Schimmel]

In Jordan's apartment where he lives, it's a one bedroom and Luca has the bedroom. Bedroom, which was so sweet. Oh, my God, his apartment was so cute. I don't know if you saw that episode. I did, and it was like rocket chips. I just did.

[Nicole Richie]

Anybody read the book part of your world?

[Jackie Schimmel]

No.

[Nicole Richie]

It was like this cute smut book. I talked about it on the podcast because it was like the one smut book I read where, like, it was like, this really poor guy and this very wealthy woman, and, like, money was like such a thing with them, and it was so cringe and so awkward, but, like, he had a big dick or whatever. Like, I feel like that's literally Sparkle Megan's story right now. Like, she can't get over the fact that, like, she has more money than this man. And I don't think that's why she. She thought her life would end up. But she, like, loves him so much and it's kind of a fairy tale.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. No, I don't think she's hung up about the money because I think she has enough money for herself and, like, her life.

[Nicole Richie]

The house hunting scene. Like, they really didn't need to do that to us.

[Jackie Schimmel]

They didn't need a six bedroom house. And like, they. They need half of that house. Like, they can easily get the sort of house. They can use all the proceeds from her LA house. So I think, like, she does. She's not looking for money. Maybe she was used to it, but, like, she has enough and now she has love. Like, I think that she's going about this experiment in the complete right way of, like.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Not. Maybe not what I thought and not what I'd gone for in the past, but this is what's right for me. Anyways. I agree. They're getting married. If they don't, like, they're the only ones.

[Nicole Richie]

I'll be upset.

[Jackie Schimmel]

They are the only ones who have a chance of getting married. No one else is getting married.

[Nicole Richie]

Let's talk about the nurse and the alcoholic. That scene with the tequila was nuts. That was such a liar. Is the tequila still in the fridge? Oh, I don't know. Let me check. Like, he didn't chug the whole thing, and it's completely gone. That was crazy. And I. I really. I like her a lot, but I will lose respect for. If she goes to the altar because, like, it's clearly not. You gotta call it. Of all the people in the mix right now, they have to call it. No.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Joe and Madison. Oh, my God. When he was having dinner with her family, and they were light years ahead of him in terms of, like, things. They're talking about excitement, like. Like, you can see and feel him getting so overwhelmed. And not that they did anything wrong, because if he were, like, all in, that would have been a lovely dinner, but considering he's not, like, their behavior was just, like, frightful for him. No, they acted like a normal way that you should act when you're meeting and, like, oh, my God, we're getting married. And. But, like, it was so much like if he was.

[Nicole Richie]

She's a nice family.

[Jackie Schimmel]

She does have a nice family. And they were acting the way that you should act when, like, like, two people are getting married. But considering, like, he's not getting married, like, I think it just pushed me even further and, like, really overwhelmed him. And sometimes with the families, when two couples are. When a couple is, like, not in a good place, sometimes the families actually bring them together. I think that happened. That happened with Anton and Ali. Even meeting his mom, it's like, oh, wow. Like, I could be a part of this. I think also with Edmund's mom, like, I think KB really liked her. I'd like. And they always help move things along of, like, wait, you work with my family. My family likes you. Like, let's make a go of this.

[Nicole Richie]

That was when people are having doubts. It does help, like, most of your life together. Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I think they've really pushed him away just by being, like, so excited about this thing that he's not excited about.

[Nicole Richie]

And he's, like, literally counting the minutes down until he can go home.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. And then he's having a nervous breakdown during the tux thing. Like, being rude. He won't even try on pants. Like, they. If they don't break up today or on the next episode that I'm about to watch, then they're both a bunch of liars. And I feel like they don't because I feel like I've saw footage of her, like, on wedding day.

[Nicole Richie]

Right.

[Jackie Schimmel]

So I've.

[Nicole Richie]

There are a lot of brides. They show us the back of their heads, but they're all clearly, like, different shape sizes and, like, hair colors. So I think there's a lot of brides. I think there's a lot of weddings, but there should. There should be one and that's it. Like everybody else.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But if.

[Nicole Richie]

If Edmund and Clamber went, like, okay, even though that fight scene was so awkward, you know what? She's really looking for, like, a very toxic alpha male. And she has found, like, a real, like, sweet little beta. Like, they are so not compatible.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No, I'm sorry, I can't run and get the accessories from Ross. Like, are that really.

[Nicole Richie]

No, I know, I know, I know.

[Jackie Schimmel]

She has to do her hair and makeup. Like, she needs, you know, an hour minimum to get ready. Like, he doesn't have to do anything. He's sitting at home. He didn't work. She was doing errands all day. Like, you can't just go a mile down the road to Ross to get the western belt and the bandanas.

[Nicole Richie]

I know, but, like, him. Her berating him was like, gentlemen, genuinely painful. It was like a school principal. Like, it was.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But as viewers, we needed the context to know why.

[Nicole Richie]

Of course. And it's. It's really. It's a universal story for women.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Being a disappointment to her that. Then he goes. And you don't say anything nice to me in front of everyone. No.

[Nicole Richie]

It's like you're doing a million things and you just need him to go pick up one thing and he can't do it or he's late. Like, it's kind of a universal story for women.

[Jackie Schimmel]

He needed a dressing down down, and that was what he got. It was painful to watch. And I think they have existing issues and just, like, personality differences.

[Nicole Richie]

They're not compatible.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But yes. You know, plenty of women, they don't get enough. I'm always like, I take a long time to get ready and I'm ready before my husband. That frustrates me.

[Nicole Richie]

Same.

[Jackie Schimmel]

That frustrates Me, you know?

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Not a huge deal. Just everything compounding. And then in front of everyone, being like, you don't say anything nice. Like, and they're just, like, having.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, that comment. She's right for being mad at that comment.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. In front of. It's like, why would I say something nice to you? Or right now, you couldn't go to.

[Nicole Richie]

Ross, but you pissed me off all day. Like, be. Just be lucky I'm here.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Especially because she said, like, she actually did move on. They were making videos. Like, you wouldn't know if I was mad at you.

[Nicole Richie]

Right. Right.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And, like. And then you're gonna go back to, like, starting a fight in front of people.

[Nicole Richie]

I will say she had a lot of things to be mad at him for. And I feel like she laid it out very well. Like, in terms of She's a good arguer. Right. Like, I felt bad for him because he was, like, getting berated. But everything she said, like, she made her point. Like, she said what she said.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. And, like, he was objective.

[Nicole Richie]

I don't think he internalized any.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No, he was objectively wrong. But then when he said, like, can you say something nice to me? Like, I. I felt for him, like, a smidgen in that moment.

[Nicole Richie]

Oh, I didn't.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I did. No, when he said it in the apartment, not at the thing. Like, he was like, yes. He's just accepted this dressing down. He's, like, kind of apologizing. He still doesn't know what he did wrong, but he just wants to hear, like, something nice about himself after everything. And if I were, like, kb, I wouldn't say anything nice. Of course, as a viewer. I'm just saying it's like, he just needed to hear something nice about himself. But, like, that's just where you can. Like.

[Nicole Richie]

But the fact that that was his reaction is why they're really not right for one another.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And, like, then they're still filling out their marriage license. Why.

[Nicole Richie]

Right. And remember, she was the one who wanted him to, like, beat up a guy if he came and talked to her at a bar. Like, that was so never gonna happen. He can't even go to Ross.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No. So of course these two are not getting married. They should call it now. Like, Annie and Nick weren't even the first ones that I felt, like, needed to call it, like, saying they were having, like, issues.

[Nicole Richie]

Relationship issues.

[Jackie Schimmel]

But I think they also were really, like, in love. Like, enjoying each other while also struggling to figure out, like, their relationship. No one else is even enjoying each other.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah. Anton, a Lot of them are counting down the minutes until the experiment is over.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Joe and Madison. Joe's not enjoying anything. Joe is not, and KB and Edmund are not. There's no good times, really.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah. I have a lot riding on Jordan and Sparkle. I did not expect to, like, love them so much. They've just sort of come out of left field, and I feel like I can't think of a person in recent memory who I feel is doing this. So for the right reasons. Like, Sparkle really gives authentic energy.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. Also, the editor was out sick for the wedding dress shopping episode because they showed every girl in two dresses. They've never done that before.

[Nicole Richie]

I just want to say there are certain parts of every Love is Blind season that I will fast forward trying on tuxes in wedding gowns. Fast all the way forward. And then the 30 minutes before the wedding.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Richie]

I was talking to my mom running outside.

[Jackie Schimmel]

They tell a bunch of hooey. That doesn't matter. They act like they're getting married, and then they don't get married.

[Nicole Richie]

Right. I skipped right to. Do you. I do those two things. I didn't even watch.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I watched the wedding dresses just because, like, we were watching the episode, and I'm scared. Zach loves everything so much. I can't fast forward when I'm watching with him. And they showed every girl in two dresses, and I thought each one, like, dreadful. Chose the wrong dress. Like, they should have gone with the first one. But usually they show us one dress. So they are trying to extend this season and showing us a bunch of that we don't need to see.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah. And they just announced that there's a reunion, which that should be, like, the standard there should have been.

[Jackie Schimmel]

We need a reunion. We need. It's been a year. Like, let's talk about it. I do feel like. Just feel like Nick is about to, like, have his ass handed to him now that, like, it's out that he ended the relationship. I know that Annie went on vial files. I don't know if she's meant to be, like, the sympathetic character, but, like, for me, she's not. Oh.

[Nicole Richie]

She's literally arianimatics. I just. I wanted to say that they have the same face.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. I just, like, I. I was shocked that he ended it as abruptly as he did because it looked like they were sitting down. Hey, brunch was good. Drink too much last night. And, like, he comes with, like, ending it, but, like, yeah, it needed to end.

[Nicole Richie]

What?

[Jackie Schimmel]

He should wait till the end. He should wait.

[Nicole Richie]

No, I have respect.

[Jackie Schimmel]

He should have blindside someone. Like. And her reaction was just all weird too.

[Nicole Richie]

She's so dramatic. Like, packing her bags, like.

[Jackie Schimmel]

No. And she was like, chill. And on the one hand, she's like, yelling at him, then she's like, begging him to, like, give it more time.

[Nicole Richie]

No. And then she was like. And I knew it. I was right. Well, yeah. You spoke it into existence. You were right.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Congrats. You manifested this for yourself.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Things you did that Madison's next. Not that it's all her fault, because Joe was just not.

[Nicole Richie]

Because he was never into it.

[Jackie Schimmel]

I mean, he's like, you know, on the one hand, like, you're allowed to call off your engagement if it doesn't feel right, but, like, he called off his engagement as, like, invitations were going out. Like, he's obviously cold footed.

[Nicole Richie]

I feel like he's just been struggling since the beginning with not being attracted to her and not wanting to pull out because of that. Because it's just such a bad look. Look. Yeah, that happens every season. There's somebody who just, like, cannot get past the looks but doesn't want to say it. They're just sort of like waiting for the other person to say it or just waiting till the very last minute. But then the reality starts to set in that, like, you're inviting people to your wedding.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Yeah. But I think he's also annoyed by her. I think, like, her personality is coming off more annoying than it did in the pods.

[Nicole Richie]

Yeah.

[Jackie Schimmel]

And it's unfortunate that he just has this history of, like, having called off an engagement because he looks like an engagement caller offer.

[Nicole Richie]

Right. But this doesn't count. I don't. I don't count it.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Just saying.

[Nicole Richie]

Just saying. Well, that's our show. You guys, thank you so much for listening to the Toast and Millennium morning show where we deliver the fastest stories you need to know every Monday through Friday. YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please don't forget to subscribe and give us video thumbs up. Also available as podcast and where podcast can be found. So it's about fighting Stitch publicly. Your guest works all the places. Review about a beautiful setting and talented. We are.

[Jackie Schimmel]

Love ya. Bye. Leave a message.

[Nicole Richie]

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[Jackie Schimmel]

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[Nicole Richie]

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[Jackie Schimmel]

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[Nicole Richie]

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