Cream Queens: Thursday, March 5th, 2026

Summary

The Toast – "Cream Queens" (Thursday, March 5th, 2026)

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Theme: Creamy fashion, pop culture deep-dives, reality TV, celebrity news, and the elusive “Kia Asylum”

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Main Theme / Purpose

Today’s episode embraces “cream” as a literal and metaphorical fashion theme—dubbed “Cream Queens”—and unfolds with the signature Oshry blend of gossip, humorous personal anecdotes, and spirited pop culture commentary. Jackie and Claudia banter about everything from short sleeve discourse and standardized test trauma, to reality TV drama (Traders, Southern Charm), the Kardashians, and trending celebrity news.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Creamy Fashion Vibes, Short Sleeve Hot Takes (00:25–02:52)

• Jackie and Claudia both wear creams/beiges, jokingly calling themselves "Cream Queens."
• Playful banter about the implications of short sleeves:
  • Jackie: "Wearing short sleeves as a person who had a baby somewhat recently is kind of a brave thing..." (01:09)
  • Turt (Claudia): "Short sleeves are just so juvenile. Like, it's so middle school." (01:21)
  • They bemoan cap sleeves, labeling them “not a real thing.”

Notable Quote:

"A mature woman has a long arm. But I also say, I love your sweater. I'm really not knocking your sweater." – Turt, 02:08

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2. SAT Tutor Trauma & Family Anecdotes (02:52–05:14)

• Jackie shares the hilarious yet stressful story of her SAT tutor fainting mid-session because of gluten in soup, leaving young Jackie quite panicked and alone.
• The sisters reminisce about various tutors and standardized testing.

Notable Quote:

"If she was gonna have a medical episode, like, please do it in the lobby... I'm a child, and I personally just can't take this on." – Jackie, 04:25

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3. The “Kia Asylum” and the Culture of Celebrity Vanishing (05:14–09:27)

• Spotlight on pop stars who have faded in and out of attention:
  • Ice Spice: Discussed as a current "Kia Asylum" resident.
  • Doja Cat: Debate whether her distance is self-imposed or perceived.
  • COVID’s impact on pop careers and sudden fame.
  • Doja Cat’s "Say So" named a tremendous pandemic-era hit and industry template.
  • Reflect on Taylor Swift's pandemic success.

Notable Quotes:

"Covid’s impact on the Kia Asylum can't be understated. There's definitely like a Covid wing." – Jackie, 08:07

"People are always trying to, like, make new sounds. [Doja Cat] created a new sound that was good and that, like, people copied." – Jackie, 09:05

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4. Dream Friendships & Hailee Steinfeld Admiration (09:17–11:10)

• Claudia muses that Jackie and Hailee Steinfeld should be friends due to their similar vibes and life paths.
• Jackie auditions for Hailee's friendship by breaking into “Flashlight.”
• Playful dislike for Anna Kendrick cited as a bond with Hailee.

Notable Quote:

"I also hate Anna Kendrick, if that helps." – Jackie, 10:46

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5. TV Recaps: Southern Charm, Love Story & Ryan Murphy Universes (11:23–15:55)

• Claudia previews a Southern Charm recap for later in the show.
• In-depth theorizing about Ryan Murphy's “Love Story” anthology and what real-life couples could be profiled next (Elizabeth Taylor & Richard Burton, David & Victoria Beckham).
• Discussion of Kylie Jenner’s surprisingly good acting in a cameo.

Notable Moment:

They place Kylie Jenner and Hailee Steinfeld in potential future biopic roles, with Jackie vouching for Kylie’s recent acting chops.

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6. Reality TV & Pop Culture News Breakdown – “Fast Five”

A. Traders & The Birkin Gift – Rob Roche and Maura Higgins (21:01–29:42)

• Overview of Rob gifting Maura a Birkin on Watch What Happens Live after betraying her on Traders.
• They explain the Birkin bag acquisition process, industry insider gossip, and sponsor speculation.
• Lisa Rinna’s book and her increasing Q score post-Housewives discussed.

Notable Quotes:

"Lisa Rinna... really picked herself up by those bootstraps in a way that only Serena could." – Jackie, 27:31
"More got her Birkin burgundy with gold hardware, which this was like what she wanted." – Jackie, 28:46

B. Housewives on "The Traders" & Bad Takes (30:12–31:17)

• Claudia calls out The Cut for its “bad take” about Housewives’ presence ruining Traders.
• Jackie defends the Bravo-leb participation in reality crossovers.

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C. Kelsea Ballerini, Morgan Evans, & Chase Stokes Drama (31:38–38:32)

• Recap of the social media fallout after Morgan Evans’s interview about his divorce from Kelsea and Chase Stokes’s aggressive comment.
• Jackie & Claudia label Chase’s behavior as “toxic masculinity,” and observe Kelsea may not appreciate the drama.

Notable Quotes

"This is about the most pathetic excuse of masculinity I've ever seen. Get a fudgeing life." – Chase Stokes, via Claudia (34:39)
"Excavating more drama between these two, like, isn't good for Kelsey. Like, she's moved on and now you're their problem." – Turt, 37:07

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D. Kardashians & the “Celebrity Brand Extraction” (38:34–45:55)

• Chloe Kardashian reassures listeners of her ongoing involvement with Good American.
• They analyze how celeb-founded brands transition from personal to standalone (Fabletics, Skims, Lemmy).
• Discussion about Chloe potentially expanding her family and the realities of surrogacy & frozen embryos.

Notable Quote:

"I feel like she had such a bad experience with surrogacy that I don't know if she would do it again." – Jackie, 44:17

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E. Britney Spears Arrested for DUI (50:26–52:22)

• News breaks of Britney’s arrest in Ventura County.
• The sisters express concern and compassion for Britney, touching on the continuing struggle post-conservatorship.

Notable Quote:

"If she was gonna have a medical episode, like, please do it in the lobby... I'm a child, and I personally just can't take this on." – Jackie, 04:25

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F. Masked Singer Reveal – Jack Wagner as the Eggplant (52:27–54:39)

• Eggplant unmasked as Jack Wagner.
• Jackie and Claudia riff on themed nights and pitch guest panelist ideas (Glee night, Broadway night).

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G. Southern Charm Recap (55:40–60:39)

• Detailed rundown:
  • Craig’s problematic outburst, and lack of timely apology.
  • Yurt-based wellness retreat for cast healing.
  • Shep and Whitney highlighted as MVPs for maturity and comic relief.
• Reflection that Southern Charm’s real drama stings more when you know the cast in real life.

Notable Quotes:

"It's easier to be the person who had someone yell at them, versus the next day being the person who feels a lot of shame." – Turt, 59:26

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6. Notable Timestamps

| Time | Segment / Topic | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------| | 00:25 | "Cream Queens" fashion banter and theme launch | | 02:52 | Jackie’s SAT tutor story | | 05:14 | “Kia Asylum” and Doja Cat discussions | | 11:23 | Southern Charm / Hulu / TV catch-up | | 21:01 | Fast Five: Traders, Maura’s Birkin, & Lisa Rinna | | 31:38 | Kelsea Ballerini & ex-spouse drama | | 38:34 | Kardashians and celebrity brand transitions | | 50:26 | Britney Spears DUI news | | 52:27 | Masked Singer reveal | | 55:40 | Southern Charm in-depth recap |

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Memorable Quotes

• “You’re not seeing creamy double, you’re seeing creamy trouble.” – Jackie, 11:16
• “Covid’s impact on the Kia Asylum can't be understated. There's definitely like a Covid wing.” – Jackie, 08:07
• “I also hate Anna Kendrick, if that helps.” – Jackie, 10:46
• “Lisa Rinna... really picked herself up by those bootstraps in a way that only Serena could.” – Jackie, 27:31
• "This is about the most pathetic excuse of masculinity I’ve ever seen." – Claudia (on Chase Stokes), 34:39

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Overall Tone & Vibe

Light, self-aware, slyly irreverent, and filled with an inside-baseball feeling for pop culture aficionados. Jackie and Claudia toggle skillfully between personal digging, media analysis, and tongue-in-cheek hot takes—with an audience that relishes both the industry gossip and the sisterly realness.

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For Southern Charm and “Kia Asylum” watchers, the analysis is lively and opinionated. For fans of The Kardashians or 2020s pop, the off-the-cuff insight and nostalgia offer a cozy, snarky joy. As ever, The Toast spotlights the drama, connects it to the broader cultural moment, and keeps its audience laughing and informed.

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Recommended Segments & Timestamps

• Cream Queens/Short Sleeves Debate: 00:25–02:52
• Jackie’s SAT Tutor Fainting Story: 02:52–05:14
• Kia Asylum/Covid Pop Culture Reflection: 07:57–09:27
• Traders Birkin Recap: 21:01–29:42
• Kelsea Ballerini/Morgan Evans/Chase Stokes Drama: 31:38–38:32
• Britney Spears Arrest News: 50:26–52:22
• Southern Charm Recap: 55:40–60:39

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If you missed it, start with the “Cream Queens” intro for a feel, and the Birkin/Traders section for classic Toast pop culture coverage.

Transcript

[Jackie]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast.

[Turt]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[Jackie]

It's your favorite show.

[Turt]

The best five things you need to know.

[Jackie]

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.

[Turt]

They sound amazing.

[Jackie]

Welcome back to the Toes and Uppy Thursday. Yeah, that's right. We made it to the latter half of the week. Pat yourselves on the back. Pat yourself on the back. Hey, Jax, how you doing during?

[Turt]

Good. Excited that it's Thursday.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Turt]

Excited that we're both matching today. Creamy vibes.

[Jackie]

The theme category is cream.

[Turt]

Creamy. Cream Queens.

[Jackie]

Sounds like a porno, like, title. I love it. We're always thinking very titillating title. Like, that'll kind of force people to click. You know, curiosity. Cream Queens.

[Turt]

But that's us today. We are so creamy.

[Jackie]

Yes, we are. I'm wearing a shirt that I put on. I was like, I feel like I'm wearing Jackie's clothes.

[Turt]

I love it.

[Jackie]

Thanks.

[Turt]

Where'd you get it? Nudes. I figured.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I don't know how I feel about wearing short sleeves, you know? Don't you feel like wearing short sleeves as a person who had a baby somewhat recently is kind of a brave thing to do?

[Turt]

No, it's not even short. Short sleeves are just so juvenile. Like, it's so middle school. Well, but no, I'm saying not. I said, I love your sweater and I want your sweater. It's not about you and your sweater, but there is something just so juvenile about short sleeves.

[Jackie]

Certain types of short sleeves. I don't know what it. Something about my shirt today is so short sleeve. Like, I'm kind of walking into the room. Sleeves first.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I feel like we talk about this the last time Maggie Rogers went to the Grammys and wore short sleeve gown. Like, a short sleeve gown is insane.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Certain types of shorts sleeves are just more obvious than others. And I feel like, yes, mine today are just so obvious.

[Turt]

Yeah. But it has nothing to do with, like, arm size or anything. It just has to do with, like, attitude. You know, short. It's like, oh, I have gym class today. I'm wearing short sleeves.

[Jackie]

Pe.

[Turt]

Yeah. But a mature woman has a long arm. But I also say, I love your sweater. I'm really not knocking your sweater. I'm actually. Of course, of course, of course. I wish I were wearing it comes

[Jackie]

with matching pants, but it was too hot.

[Turt]

Oh, wow. I wish I were wearing. It's not about you. But they're like, we need to discuss short sleeves because I feel like we

[Jackie]

Actually talk a lot about cap sleeves where. Which are just, like, insane.

[Turt]

No, that's not a real thing.

[Jackie]

Not in.

[Turt]

That's not a real thing. I don't even want to, like, dignify cap sleeves or the discussion.

[Jackie]

Yep. Short sleeves are just crazy.

[Turt]

They're not crazy. They're just. They're just interesting, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah, I do.

[Turt]

I don't have a lot of short sleeves. Unless my T shirt, in which case, yeah, I have pe.

[Jackie]

T shirt is different, though.

[Turt]

I'm taking the Presidential fitness test today.

[Jackie]

T shirt is different. Oh, my God. All those tests. Like, the Presidential Fitness test. The BJ is. If you didn't go to a Jewish school. You know, the bjc, the read, the Regents. The Regency is where Tom cheated on his wife.

[Turt]

I took my Regents at the Regency.

[Jackie]

She's a high class woman. You know, the Regents. The BJ is like all those standardized tests. Of course the SAT is like, please, I can't get back.

[Turt]

Everyone knows the SATs. I tell a story.

[Jackie]

I was just talking about this over the weekend to ever tell you guys a story about the time my SAT tutor, like, fainted, like, in our session?

[Turt]

I don't think so. But that was the same tutor I had, right?

[Jackie]

No, no, no.

[Turt]

Different tutor.

[Jackie]

We went through a couple of tutors. And this was before I. Like, my tutor that changed my life. His name was Snehal. It took me a while to find him. So before Sneh, how. There was a woman. She would come to the house for, like, little sessions. And I remember one time I was home alone, which, like, we weren't kids who were home alone a lot, like, either, just because we had, like, a lot of siblings. But also, we just didn't grow up in a house where we were left home alone.

[Turt]

No.

[Jackie]

It was kind of, like, against the rules. And I was home alone, which was just freaky. And she came over and she was like, is it okay if I eat my soup during our session? I was like, of course she had her soup. She was, like, slurping on it the entire time. And towards the end of the session, I was like, all right, thanks so much. She was like, you know, I feel like there might have been gluten in that soup. I'm really not feeling well. I'm allergic to gluten. And I was like, oh, can you leave? Like, I was so uncomfortable. And she was like, do you mind if I just, like, lay my head down for a second? And I was like, okay. So she, like, dead ass, like, collapsed on the dining room Table, like, head on, like, sprawled out. And I just sort of, like, sat there and watched. I really didn't know what to do. I was so scared. Mostly I just wanted her out. Like, if she was gonna have a medical episode, like, please do it in the lobby or, like, just elsewhere, because I'm a child, and, like, I personally just can't take this on. I'm taking the SATs. Like, I have a lot on my plate right now. And so she just sort of laid there for a while, and then she picked her head up and was like, okay, thank you. I'll go. And I said, that's amazing.

[Turt]

I'm calling Sneha.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I do believe that was one of our last sessions. And when everyone got home later that night, I told them what happened. I don't know if you remember. And everyone was like, that's really weird. I'm like, no, it's really weird. Like, what if she was, like, started to throw up or like, well, I

[Turt]

would have been in college, so I. I wasn't home.

[Jackie]

Where the hell was everyone?

[Turt]

I was in college. Olivia was in college.

[Jackie]

Really? When do you take your SATs?

[Turt]

You start studying your year.

[Jackie]

You study as a junior?

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Okay.

[Turt]

You were in college, So I was in college.

[Jackie]

Olivia was probably home because Olivia went to nyu and she was, like, always hanging.

[Turt]

Wasn't home. And that's why, like, this.

[Jackie]

That's why I was empty. Yeah.

[Turt]

Margot to, like, carry the torch.

[Jackie]

She, like, seriously didn't care because, like,

[Turt]

if it was, you know, if we were all home, we would have been like, remember?

[Jackie]

Family story. Oh, my God. That was so. And I remember she looked a lot like Sara Bareilles. She was like, so just like a girl, you know?

[Turt]

Sarah Bellarrellis. Oh. I had someone I wanted to induct into the Kia Asylum.

[Jackie]

Let's hear it.

[Turt]

Who I believe is spending time there right now? Who I spice.

[Jackie]

Yes. When I. When the discourse does include Ice Spice. Okay. But I feel like the key Asylum. Sometimes people then loop in, like, the conversation we were having about, like, people who were so. What? No, actually, no, you're right. You're right. You're right. Ice Spice. Yeah.

[Turt]

But there's a lot of different. Like, not everyone's there for the same reason. And I don't know the reasons. A lot of them are there. Sometimes it's audience Q score. Sometimes it's industry. They didn't, you know, play the game, shake hands. So I don't know the. I don't know why. I also don't Know why Ice Spice was all of a sudden like, Ice Spice, you know, is everybody knowing Ice Spice?

[Jackie]

What were the circumstances that, like, led to her being eligible for a Taylor Swift collab?

[Turt]

Right.

[Jackie]

I hadn't really heard of her before that.

[Turt]

Yeah, I missed that. And then everybody's like, of course it's Ice Spice on Karma.

[Jackie]

And I'm like, of course, of course it is. Yeah. You don't know that.

[Turt]

And now that she's not around, I'm

[Jackie]

like, yeah, where is she?

[Turt]

I, I, I miss her.

[Jackie]

You know who's kind of in the key asylum? Doja Cat.

[Turt]

Doja Cat.

[Jackie]

But I think that's through her own, like, sort of wacky behavior.

[Turt]

Asylum. She is off the grid. Like, she.

[Jackie]

But she's not.

[Turt]

No, but like, she went somewhere. She took herself there. To a retreat.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where she's in, like, she's in isolation.

[Turt]

Yeah, but self imposed. Yeah, self imposed. Like, whenever she decides to come out with, like, more music or whatever, like, it's gonna be bops and everyone's gonna love it, but she just, like, doesn't want to be in the scene.

[Jackie]

I think that might be, like, how you perceive it, but that's not true. I do believe she's, like, released music somewhat recently, and she, like, does a lot of live streams.

[Turt]

Like, she does love a lot of lives.

[Jackie]

Yeah. To promote. I, I don't, I don't know if the self imposition is.

[Turt]

What was she talking about recently?

[Jackie]

She's always saying crazy stuff. That's kind of my queen right there. Like, she.

[Turt]

What was she? What was her subject? Reese, I just saw her talking about something. I have no idea what it was.

[Jackie]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Turt]

Really. She was just going back. I mean, she's always going viral. Oh, she was yelling at everyone, slay mama. But I forget why.

[Jackie]

I don't care. Sometimes people need to be yelled out.

[Turt]

Yeah. I forget why. I forget what impression it left me with, but no clue. Yeah, that's not someone who's, like, caring about.

[Jackie]

No, but do you remember, like, the year where everything Doja Cat made was the biggest thing on the planet?

[Turt]

Why don't you say so?

[Jackie]

Didn't even notice. No punches left to. Wow. The fact that I know that whole TikTok dance and that song actually just brought me back to such a dark time.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

She was like the Queen of 2020. She was somebody who got, like, lifted up in Covid. I actually think Covid's impact on the Kia Asylum can't be understated. There's definitely like a Covid wing. People who like, had a lot of momentum leading up to Covid and then like, Covid changed all the culture and like, sort of sidetracked their career. Also some people Quibby. Quibby. Some people who wouldn't have ever been famous had it not been for Covid and people, like losing their minds and thinking, like, yeah, I'm going to listen to this. You know what I mean? I feel like the impact of COVID on Taylor Swift's career can't be understated. Like, Folklore was a successful album due in part to depression everyone was experiencing.

[Turt]

Yes. And the cancellation of Lover Fest was probably a good one.

[Jackie]

A good thing for her.

[Turt]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

So, yeah, just Covid continuing to make impacts.

[Turt]

Yeah. You know when people in the industry talk about say so the song.

[Jackie]

Do people in the industry have conversations?

[Turt]

They talk about say so. Like, that's the template. Like, she did something totally new and everyone's. She did like chase it ever since.

[Jackie]

She also, like created a new sound. People are always trying to, like, make new sounds. She created a new sound that was good and that, like, people copied.

[Turt]

Yeah. People are like, I was, you know, going for say so.

[Jackie]

Oh, do they say that?

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

When I create music, I'm always going for Love Myself by Haley Seinfeld.

[Turt]

Oh, that's nice.

[Jackie]

Like, whenever they want me to, like, send references, I'm always sending Haley Seinfeld's catalog of music.

[Turt]

You should meet her. I think you guys would be friends.

[Jackie]

I like how you say that. Like, I've had the option and I turned it down. I would.

[Turt]

I feel like you, like, you know, you think when you think about, like subs that you would want to meet and be friends with, obviously it's like Taylor, but I think you and Haley would be really close.

[Jackie]

I agree. Like, we both love music. We both, like, could have pursued music as full time careers but decided, like, our talents were better suited in other places. We both are married to, like insane athletes.

[Turt]

I think Josh and Ben would get along. He loves a Josh.

[Jackie]

He does love a Josh. She's, you know, preggy.

[Turt]

She. Yeah, she's in her mama era. New Yorkers.

[Jackie]

Yes, New Yorker.

[Turt]

The elk of New Yorkers.

[Jackie]

Both former friends of Taylor Swift.

[Turt]

I think that you should, like, pursue a friendship with her.

[Jackie]

Now that we've had this conversation, I

[Turt]

feel like Miles Teller's grandma. Like, you could be friends with.

[Jackie]

What if you just called Haley up?

[Turt]

Yeah, why don't. What if you asked her to lunch?

[Jackie]

Well, I do always like Leave, you know, supportive comments on her Instagram. And I've never even received so much as a like. So I'm getting the vibe that she's not interested in reciprocating a friendship.

[Turt]

I, I, I don't think she's noticed yet, but I feel like if she knew.

[Jackie]

Okay, here's my application for being Hailee Seinfeld's new friend. Stuck in the dark but you're my flashlight not gonna go well, you're getting me Getting me through the night

[Turt]

oh, man.

[Jackie]

When you're shining in my eyes Knowing about me It's a sweet life. I also hate Anna Kendrick, if that helps.

[Turt]

I think we just blew it.

[Jackie]

No, I think, like, our chances are better than ever. Everybody loves us. That's literally us after, like, texting each other, like, the most vile, nasty gossip. Everybody loves us.

[Turt]

It's true.

[Jackie]

You're not seeing double. You're seeing trouble dream.

[Turt]

You're not seeing creamy double. You're seeing creamy trouble. So everybody loves us.

[Jackie]

Chilling. Today's Thursday. No special segments.

[Turt]

Actually, we do have a special segment. Me recapping Southern charm.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Turt]

I know the Southern charm community. Things are getting crazy.

[Jackie]

I hear it's getting bad out there for Craig fans.

[Turt]

It's getting bad out there for the Craig fans and for Craig. Craig self. We should have him on. I have questions for him. You know, I like, like, yeah, I have questions, and I'll do my recap at the end because I know everyone's, like, waiting with bated breath. And also, major news in my household. I got back into my Hulu. I went to Hulu just in time

[Jackie]

for the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives premiere.

[Turt]

I went to Hulu with Zach last night. I was like. Because we were going to watch jfk, and I was like, you know, we'll just make a new account, because, like, every night, it's posing an issue.

[Jackie]

We'll succumb to corporate greed.

[Turt]

We were just let in. Thank you, Hulu.

[Jackie]

Oh, they opened the gates.

[Turt]

So we watched one episode until I realized Southern Charm was on last night. And we also watched that together, so we did one and one. Okay, so I watched the episode, you know, the one they keep talking about, page Six at the end or whatever.

[Jackie]

Right? So now, like, the world knows.

[Turt]

Why is he putting on her skirt?

[Jackie]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Turt]

And see, maybe the boat gets wobbly.

[Jackie]

But that's what happened, though, on the actual. Yeah, boat. But don't you feel like the actor playing JFK Jr, like, doesn't give, like, off the vibes of A guy who, like, puts on your shorts.

[Turt]

So here's the thing. You think his poor performance is a referendum on the actor?

[Jackie]

I do.

[Turt]

I'm interpreting it as a referendum on jfk.

[Jackie]

It's not. Because now, like, every news outlet is posting their archival interviews with JFK Jr. And I see him outside. He was hosting an event with Paul Newman. He was so that guy. Like, he was so handsome and, like, so smart and maybe behind closed doors, like, he was like a weenie who was putting on. But, like, I don't get that vibe whatsoever from his, like, front facing interviews.

[Turt]

But it's not like the things that he's saying. It's like the things that he did, like, bring her to his sister's dinner without telling neither her nor sister.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And in the show it's giving. He's like ditzy and losery. But maybe in real life he wanted to, like, test her.

[Turt]

And you know what? He's acting without intention. Like the Men of Bravo.

[Jackie]

He is Jesse Solomoning.

[Turt]

Yeah. And Austin Crowling and West Wilsoning.

[Jackie]

A thousand percent intention. One other thing. Don't you. Who do you feel like the real Carolyn Bissette looks like in real life? This isn't gonna, like, ring true for our. Our readers.

[Turt]

What do you mean?

[Jackie]

Like who? Like, in our personal life, don't you feel like she looks like our friend Casey? Like they're twins.

[Turt]

Oh, I have to look at her now.

[Jackie]

Oh, they're twins. You need to catch up, like, in full. There's one more episode and then one more coming out, I think, like tonight.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So I guess, like Monday Love Story recap.

[Turt]

Sure. Okay. Love Story. I could talk so weird that that's the name of it endlessly. And Ryan Murphy, when he did American crime story. O.J. then it was like, he's gonna do a lot more American crime stories. And I think he did Versace. And that was it.

[Jackie]

Monica Lewinsky.

[Turt]

Oh, that was Three American Crimes. So we'll get more Love stories then.

[Jackie]

Oh, is Love Story like a category? And this is just the first, like sort of untold. Jake, Paul, Lamar o'.

[Turt]

Dono. Because American crime was OJ and what I just say. Versace got it.

[Jackie]

Was Monica Lewinsky an American Crime?

[Turt]

I don't think so. Because you just said.

[Jackie]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you were saying. Okay.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

American Crime. Ryan Murphy. Good question. So it's like a category?

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Yes. So season one was oj, two was Gianni, three was Impeachment.

[Turt]

Okay.

[Jackie]

And then he also does Monster which is like, Serial Killers. Dahmer was the first season. Second season was Eric Menendez and Lyle Menendez. Got it. So now Love Story. Oh, got it. So he has, like, these sort of franchises. Oh, I like that. I never put that together.

[Turt]

Yeah. So what do you think the next Love Story should be? I feel like he should do. There's so many.

[Jackie]

That's a great question.

[Turt]

Thank you.

[Jackie]

Actually, like, an amazing question. Hold on. I really want to think.

[Turt]

You know what I would like, like, Elizabeth Burton. Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton. I love that, like, someone explained that they got married and divorced, and she also had time to get married, like, six other times. Yeah. That's a blind spot for me.

[Jackie]

Me, too. And that's a great one.

[Turt]

Kim loves her. And, you know, they're like, Kim could

[Jackie]

play not Elizabeth Taylor, but, like, maybe a receptionist or something.

[Turt]

I think Kylie should play Elizabeth Taylor.

[Jackie]

Let's talk about Kylie in the moment.

[Turt]

Do you see the clip of her? Of course.

[Jackie]

Apparently she's only in the film for one scene.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And which I watched literally some of the best acting I've ever seen in my life. She out acted the. Out of Charlie xcx, like, who was kind of doing. I mean, obviously I don't know how to act, but I feel like you're, like, supposed to. Supposed to be, like, not so drama. You know, it's like, it's supposed to be all in the subtleties, but I

[Turt]

also don't know the context of a scene.

[Jackie]

I think Charlie's supposed to be playing, like, very frazzled.

[Turt]

She just came from a session with Maria, who I want to say is like a guru of sorts or facialist, maybe. And then. And then she runs into Kylie and she's, like, obviously having, like, a manic episode. And Kylie is playing herself, you know,

[Jackie]

heightened, Cool girl, collected, like. Yeah, well, calm collected.

[Turt]

Also, like, a little bit condescending, but

[Jackie]

sweet and very industry. Like, oh, you must be so busy.

[Turt]

Yeah. And she really slayed.

[Jackie]

She went to the Timothy Chalamet school of acting.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I don't know if he, like, passed on a coach or coach. It was so impressive. And I feel like the Kardashians a couple of times have, like, waded into acting outside of Kim's now, like, acting career. You know, Kim was in a movie once, and, you know, Courtney was in movie. Courtney was in the. She's all that. And whenever the girls act, it's, like, very camp, and it's, like, not good. You know, this, like, seriously needs an ancient.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

It was so impressive.

[Turt]

By Elizabeth Taylor. Don't you think? Elizabeth Taylor, don't you think?

[Jackie]

Do you? I do.

[Turt]

She looks like her.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Body, like on point. Hips, very feminine. Yeah. That's a great love story.

[Turt]

Okay, what's another one?

[Jackie]

I don't know. Maybe like, the Jacqueline F. Tur Lu Freush love story.

[Turt]

That's true.

[Jackie]

I love that. Or maybe it's literally. By the way, love story is literally fear famous couples throughout history.

[Turt]

I'm not okay.

[Jackie]

It's a giving prom theme.

[Turt]

I'm not okay. It literally is. We could also do Even though at this point I feel like the story is told, but it might be time for a fictionalized or, you know, like a scripted version. David and Victoria.

[Jackie]

Oh, wait. That's really good.

[Turt]

Thank you.

[Jackie]

Is that a story?

[Turt]

No, but it was.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It was Brooklyn Beckham's birthday yesterday, and she posted these, like, just honestly pathetic pictures of them. It's like he clearly, like, you know, he was their firstborn, like, change their lives. All these pictures of the three of them, and she was like, happy birthday at Brooklyn Beckham. We love you so much.

[Turt]

And then it was pictures of, like, them with him as a baby, like, 1 and 2 years old.

[Jackie]

So sad. Like, it was. It was heartbreaking.

[Turt]

The boy mama in me.

[Jackie]

I know. And then I do want to say Nicola also posted, like, a video. She, like, set up this, like, donut cake and bunch of presents. And honestly, like, he looked really happy. Like, they have a nice life. Like, it was a nice video, too. I don't know. I'm just like, it was really sad. Yeah.

[Turt]

And she's. Even though, like, he did what he did, she still loves. She, like, doesn't hate enough to, like, not love and wish him. Happy birthday. Oh, sick.

[Jackie]

The Beckhams is a great one.

[Turt]

Thank you. So look forward to that.

[Jackie]

Let's dive in, shall we?

[Turt]

Yes, we shall. Without further ado, it is time for the best five stories that you do need to know.

[Jackie]

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[Turt]

S T thank you, Turt.

[Jackie]

You're welcome.

[Turt]

Our first story, Traders winner Rob Roche gifts Maura Higgins, a Burgundy Army's Birkin on Watch what happens live. So the story has come full circle. Rob, who betrayed Maura on Traders, shared on the reunion that Maurice said if she got. If he got her a Birkin, that all would be well because he won over 200 grand by, you know, betraying her. So last night, they were both on Watch what happens live.

[Jackie]

And he was in an amazing mood. Like, he was. So I think he's very, like, taken by Maura. No, because I know you're gonna say a lot of times, like, when there's, like, a young thing, Andy, like, perks up. Like, he loves the young guys of Bravo and he's, like, kind of mean to the girls, but always nice to the guys. No, he was very taken by Maura. Mora had the first seat. He was like, I tink he was being really funny. Like, he was giving OG Andy. And I think he was just excited to be in the presence of like, a really, like, fabulous young girl. And I think it's very exciting for Andy that Traders is so popular and it's on Peacock, so he gets to, like, make it about himself a little bit.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I think he was excited. It was a great. It was like a vintage episode.

[Turt]

Yes. And Rob gifted Maura the Birkin that he got her. So it was a very. A big journey for the Birkin. Yesterday, Rob went to Madison Avenue consignment with Jake Shane.

[Jackie]

I was meant to text him, like, what were you doing there? I still haven't gotten clarity on his involvement.

[Turt]

Yeah. Nobody knows Jake Shane's involvement, but Jake Shane was there because Jake Shane is always there.

[Jackie]

He's going to be there.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I love that. I don't know somebody on the Internet who was so universally liked by both his peers, but also the fans, like, because sometimes, like, you know, somebody blows up and all the comments are like, I don't understand the hype or whatever. He is so genuinely funny. And he's also, like, a nice guy, so, like, everyone who comes on his podcast, like, becomes his friend. He's, like, very affable with both, you know, the fans and his peers alike.

[Turt]

I don't think Jake Shane has haters.

[Jackie]

I think Jake Shane has one hater.

[Turt]

Do you know. Oh.

[Jackie]

Do you know who I'm going to say?

[Turt]

Do you think I know what you're going to say? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah. I just think he has. I do. I do.

[Turt]

I do think he has one hater. I don't think there are communities that organize, like, talk shit about Jake Shane. Because there's, like, really nothing.

[Jackie]

No. Like, I haven't ever gone. But I doubt there's, like, a Reddit thing about Jake Shane. He's just, like, the best.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

He's Jewish, though, so he probably. And he's friends with Sophia Richie, our Zionist queen.

[Turt]

So, like, I'm sure there's, like, there might be that.

[Jackie]

There might be that. But other than that, like, who could hate Jake Shane?

[Turt]

No, everybody loves him.

[Jackie]

But actually, like, we say it as a joke when everybody hates us. And he, like, it's serious. We're being for real when we say it, because usually we're saying it as a joke.

[Turt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we know that you guys are discerning and that you know when we're joking and when we're serious.

[Jackie]

Yeah. The fact that we have so many haters genuinely blows my mind. It's really true. No, no, my mind is blown. I meant it when I said it.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

You know?

[Turt]

Yeah. Anyways, Rob spent the day with Jake shopping at Madison Avenue Consignment. At Madison Avenue Consignment.

[Jackie]

Cause a lot of people were like, the bag is fake. You can't just walk into a store and buy a Birkin. And while that is true, you can buy secondhand. Most people don't even buy Birkins at Hermes.

[Turt]

No, you can buy them secondhand from a consignment shop. They're more expensive. They're more expensive. But also, this one looks to be, like, fresh out of the box. Like, apparently Rob was wearing gloves. He said no one has ever touched this Birkin with their hands until Maura. He also shared that Lisa Rinna was helping him get a Birkin. He was going to go to Paris because, like, yeah, if you want to get one from the store today, like, you either have to be, like, a client with a lot of history or not even.

[Jackie]

They, like, order it. Like, you can't just get one today,

[Turt]

but maybe someone Could.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Turt]

Or, you know, travel around the world.

[Jackie]

You have some of the stores, you

[Turt]

have to pull major strings.

[Jackie]

Some of the stores are a little bit more lenient. Like, you can get a leather appointment in Paris.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So.

[Turt]

And you have to pull major strings, which, you know, if you've never shopped there before, you have strings.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Turt]

So Lisa Rinna was helping him. He was going to go to Paris, and then this came about where he was connected with Madison Avenue consignment. It's obviously, like, sponsored, because of course, I've said Madison Avenue consignment three times now. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Now we're ready for our Birkins Madison Avenue consignment.

[Turt]

And it's really brilliant. But he's. He still owes her.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Because he didn't pay for it.

[Turt]

It was supposed to come from the prize fund.

[Jackie]

Now, also, I want to talk about Lisa Rinna, who's really having a moment, I feel. And I was like a Lisa Rinna on Housewives. Like, I was not ever really on her side. And when she. I was one of those people who was, like, glad that she left. And then afterwards, I was like, wait, she's kind of necessary. And then I've been hearing really good things about her book, which she's been doing press for. It just came out. People are mad that she said this thing about Sutton, that she had, like, a weird body. But beyond that, the book is getting rave reviews. And I do feel like she's really interesting. I only know her from, like, 2016 on, but I forget that, like, she was that girl for a really long time in Hollywood. Like, she married Harry Hamlin. Like, you can just be nobody, you know?

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I think I might read her book.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Now that I read. Yeah.

[Turt]

I read before Bed, I think would be a good one. Like Melrose Place.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Turt]

Like, she was there for all of it.

[Jackie]

And plus the Nicola Sheridan of it all.

[Turt]

Sheridan.

[Jackie]

She used to be married to Harry Hamlin, and I believe they have a child together. Right.

[Turt]

Really?

[Jackie]

Yeah. Let me just triple check before I just make stuff up. But I'm almost fairly.

[Turt]

No, I. I don't think that that's true. I think it's something with Michael Bolton. Michael Bolton?

[Jackie]

No, he does. Dimitri Alexander Hamlin. Parents are Harry Hamlin. Oh, no. And Ursula Andress, children of Nicolette Sheridan. Oh, she doesn't have kids. Okay, my bad. I was confused.

[Turt]

Yeah. I mean, we could learn all about it in. In her book, right? Yeah. And like, the Traitors. And I'm sure she planned it this way, like, for Traitors and her book to coincide. But also, I feel like she's really riding the traitor's wave. And she's, like, teamed up with Rob. They're doing, like, a bunch of shit together. And I feel like it's so Rinna, because I feel like she would otherwise, like, be mad at him because he really did throw her under the bus. But she knows it's better for her to be aligned with.

[Jackie]

She's a businesswoman.

[Turt]

Yeah. And she's not gonna take it personal.

[Jackie]

It's not personal. It's not business. Do you feel like a return to Bravo is in the cards for Lisa? Like, she is. Her Q score has gone up immensely just over time. You know, time heals all wounds, and she's, you know, she's very big in fashion. She goes to a lot of the couture. Couture. It's couture, honey. Do you know that sound? Couture?

[Turt]

No.

[Jackie]

It's a trending sound on Tick Tock, where she's, like, wearing this really crazy. I want to say it's like Schiaparelli, so this sort of, like, costumey outfit. She's at Paris Fashion Week, and one of the Parisian reporters is like, is this couture? And she's like, it's couture, but it, like, looks kind of nut. He's like, it's couture. It's couture, honey. Check the label. It's the funniest interview ever, and it went viral on TikTok. So she's, like, very big in fashion in, like, a serious way, like, with her girls. I don't think she needs to return to Bravo. I think she could. I think at a time when she wasn't asked back and she was, like, hated by the fandom, it was kind of devastating for her. But she really picked herself up by those bootstraps in a way that only Serena could.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And that's sort of what she was saying on Traders, which I do understand. Like, everybody on this show and people watching the show know her from the last eight years, but she was Lisa fucking Rinna before all of that. So I could see her not wanting to return. Like, she kind of doesn't need it.

[Turt]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Jackie]

I would welcome it.

[Turt]

She was, like, happy when she wasn't on Housewives. I think she would be happy to be on Housewives whenever this all settles down. Traitors in the book. Like, maybe she'll see how she feels, but I think she could really go either way.

[Jackie]

Is she still really tight With Erica.

[Turt]

Yes, I think so. I don't have reason to believe that they're not.

[Jackie]

I kind of feel like I'm ready for Elisa Rinna return.

[Turt]

I like the idea of bringing back old housewives, even if they didn't need a break.

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Turt]

You know, so I. I think we should normalize that concept.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And she was on Watch, Rap and Live, and I guess I didn't realize that she had, like, left it poorly with Andy.

[Turt]

Yeah. And he, like, wrote about her in her book in a way that she didn't like. He, like, shared her text messages.

[Jackie]

Yes. So that was, like, sort of the big betrayal that she felt. But I guess her going back to watch Happens Live was like a. Yeah.

[Turt]

And he, like, gave her, like, a big moment owed to Rinna. Yeah. Not, like, an apology for anything, but a moment of appreciation. Yeah.

[Jackie]

It was nice.

[Turt]

Lisa. Yeah.

[Jackie]

I think it was as close to, like, an apology as Andy can give a housewife. Like.

[Turt]

Yes, yes, he's Andy and their housewives. Well, more. Got her Birkin burgundy with gold hardware,

[Jackie]

which this was, like, what she wanted.

[Turt]

And I'm very happy for her.

[Jackie]

I'm happy for her, too. She was fabulous on watch Ravens Live. Like, it. I was thinking about what you were saying about how, like, the traitors will end up being, like, this huge, amazing thing for her because she will now become, like, a fixture in fashion and in media in these states. Like, she does major things in the uk. She's, like, a correspondent. She's goes to, like, whatever their version of the Oscars is the Baptist. But she doesn't really have that recognition here. And she's just, like, really making the most of this moment. And I do feel like it will end up converting for her. Like, she's gonna be.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I'm trying to think of, like, a comparison, almost like a. Like a Paige to Sorbo.

[Turt]

It's a situation like, all press is good press.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Turt]

Yeah. She could be an influencer. I mean, I think she has TV aspirations and also correspondent.

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Turt]

But I feel like also modeling, movies and television.

[Jackie]

Fabulous.

[Turt]

So not just, like, being an influencer because she has that, like, on law.

[Jackie]

Of course. Of course she pays her bills, like, quite fine.

[Turt]

Yeah. She didn't have to come to the States for that, but I think she wants Hollywood.

[Jackie]

Are we to believe that she doesn't own any other Birkins?

[Turt]

Like, this is her first, So I don't believe that. And I feel like if we cruise her into. She never said, this is my first Birkin. She said she Wants a Birkin. Okay. Okay.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, she definitely has.

[Turt]

Yeah, she definitely. Or like, a mini Kelly, because. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But no, she's not, like, trying to make us think that she doesn't have one.

[Jackie]

I think she's really tight with Lisa, too. That was the vibe I got from Watch Dr. Evans live.

[Turt]

Oh, cute. Yeah, that's a good, nice friendship. Are you ready for our next story?

[Jackie]

Did you see the cut with their. They make the worst takes on traders. I don't know who, like, their correspondent is on the Traders beat, but they were the one who wrote the article, like, Michael Rappaport's ruining Traders and saying that housewives, like, shouldn't be allowed on Traders.

[Turt]

I saw the headline, but what was the argument?

[Jackie]

That, like, I guess they're too emotional and like. Like drama.

[Turt]

But, like, it's reality.

[Jackie]

It's such a bad take, too.

[Turt]

That's really the thesis that, like, pulls people in. Wait, that's really the reason I only

[Jackie]

read, like, the first two lines. I. I'm not like, stop quizzing me. I don't know.

[Turt]

Oh, sorry. Okay. I'm like, I'm just a girl who

[Jackie]

read the headlines like everyone else here.

[Turt]

But, you know, like, any good essay, you should be able to establish your argument in the intro, let us know what we're in for.

[Jackie]

I didn't even read the intro. I just read, like, seriously, read the headline in the first sentence and then

[Turt]

prove your points in the body.

[Jackie]

I'm sure they did.

[Turt]

And then summarize it.

[Jackie]

I'm sure I would just disagree with it. The housewives are the most interesting part, especially for someone like me. And I think a lot of people who watch traders who just are a part of the Bravo universe. I don't watch Survivor. I don't watch Big Brother. So, like, what are you talking about? They're huge gets. Some perform better than others. Dorinda, like, stunk it up, but who cares?

[Turt]

Fine. Plenty of other people who are in house have. I stunk. Agreed. So that's not cool.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Turt]

Stupid take.

[Jackie]

Bad take.

[Turt]

Yeah. But I would like to know the argument before I officially. You can read it yourself or I officially adjudicate. I matter. You're obsessed with reading cut articles that you hate.

[Jackie]

They're always, like, making the crate. And I guess that's like, they're the point. Like, provocative headlines, but they're always dumb and bad. That Michael Rappaport one really pissed me off because that was, like, some of the best traders when he was on.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Michael Rapaport is ruining Traders like, no,

[Turt]

your article is if you're a trader and you know it, clap your hands. Are you ready for our next story? Some drama. The men are fighting. Chase Stokes slams Morgan Evans's masculinity over his remarks about Kelsey Ballerini divorce on Bobby Bones podcast.

[Jackie]

And Bobby Bones got involved and like really took Morgan Evans's side, which I feel like was a big deal, but we have to separate all the people here, you know.

[Turt]

So Morgan Evans, ex husband of Kelsey

[Jackie]

Ballerini, subject of her EP that really went viral and made her a household name, rolling up the welcome mat and

[Turt]

subject of her Call Her Daddy interview about her divorce, Morgan Evans, who's also a country artist who doesn't like share that much about his personal life and just like puts out music.

[Jackie]

He really went off the grid for many years after Kelsey's. After his divorce, he moved to New Zealand and he's just now resurfacing with a fiance, I think, or a girlfriend, some new music in a very small, non threatening way.

[Turt]

And so he went on Bobby Bones, his podcast called Bobby Cast and they dealt a little bit into his divorce from Kelsey. So in the interview he admitted that he was not expecting the conversation. When Kelsey told him that she wanted a divorce in 2022, he said, quote, I definitely wasn't expecting.

[Jackie]

Were you blindsided or were you just blind?

[Turt]

And it took me by surprise. But yeah, that whole time is such a blur. It almost feels like somebody else. Just from where I'm sitting now, I just look back and I'm like, oh my God. Yeah, it was just kind of a whirlwind, life changing moment. Elsewhere in the interview, he argued that he was characterized unfairly in the narrative surrounding his divorce from Kelsey. He said, in my case, it didn't feel like it necessarily had a lot to do with me. I think maybe I was presented or made out to be or became an archetype for any guy that had done any woman wrong during that period of time. Like some of the stuff was just like, what? What are you even talking about? It doesn't not hurt, especially if it was real vicious or something. And then I click on whoever said it and just have a look and just be like, oh, yeah, it's ok. That looks like somebody going through a tough time. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Because the album became this like sort of empowering thing for women who had been like scorned. He sort of did become like, like a punching bag almost. And everyone was like relating to Kelsey in their situations, which were much worse. Now Kelsey in her interview Told a lot about the marriage and in the album, a lot about the marriage. He never did anything, like, really bad. He just, like, wasn't an amazing husband. And they really were not well suited for one another as they grow up.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But then everybody started to put, like, their trauma marriage and be like, yeah, he's a Morgan Evans. It became like a verb almost. And so I feel like he's never talked about his divorce. His reaction to being the subject of rolling up this viral album, this viral interview, this viral moment. So, like, six years later, however many years it's been, he talks about it in a still really respectful way. And Kelsey has even written music and spoken about how, like, she does regret a little bit how much she shared and she wrote the song the Revisionist about that. Just like, you know, did she share too much? And, like, whatever. And he's not even, like, so mad, you know, I thought it was like, such a nothing interview.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And then Chase sort of leaves this

[Turt]

crazy comment commented saying, this is about the most pathetic excuse of masculinity I've ever seen. Get a fudgeing life under Bobby in the comment section of the interview from Bobby Bones. So then Bobby also deleted it, replied to that comment, and went off on Chase. Also, he did delete the comment. He's like, if you're going so hard, go. Go all like, who goes? That's, like, so crazy. Honestly, we need a wellness check on Chase Stokes. This is insane behavior.

[Jackie]

Yeah. This is, like, the second time where he's done some really wild social media behavior while him and Kelsey are not together. It's giving the vibe that he's, like, a really toxic boyfriend. Like, I actually think this is so crazy, especially because nothing in this interview was really bad or mean to Kelsey. I think if Kelsey. I'm sure she didn't watch it, but I think if she did, she maybe wouldn't find fault. He's allowed to think he was a good husband. Like, that's just what a divorce is. Everybody has their own version of the truth.

[Turt]

He's allowed to, like, share his experience. Six years later after she thoroughly shared

[Jackie]

hers a thousand percent. I don't think she would take issue right. With this at all. I think she likes Bobby Bones. I don't think that she's never gonna go on the Bobby Bones. Like, I don't think anything about this was bad. Like, the man was beaten to a pulp. Like, literally, he's allowed to say one thing. I get vibe. But, like, Chase didn't even watch or listen to the interview. He's just, like, doing this, like, kelsey, I'm gonna get you back. Look at me defending your honor. It's so cringe. It's so yucky. I believe they're broken up.

[Turt]

Yeah. I hope they're broken up.

[Jackie]

And it's, like, so yucky.

[Turt]

How about you just stop cheating on her?

[Jackie]

That's, like, kind of toxic masculinity, you know?

[Turt]

Like, you don't need to get in the comments and start yelling at her ex from six years ago. You could just stop cheating on her and be the man that she needs, because she's looking for a man with intention right now.

[Jackie]

I kind of want to argue, like, what he did to Kelsey was worse than what her husband did.

[Turt]

Like, 100.

[Jackie]

Like, his only real crime was, like, maybe not being, like, the most attentive or whatever. Like, things that are sort of stereotypical in a marriage falling apart. Like, nothing bad. No cheating, no stealing, no lying. Like, I would sit down.

[Turt]

Yeah. I would just stop cheating, bruv. And then, like, stop with the comments. And if you're gonna go hard, like Bobby said, leave the comment. Go hard, be hard. Right. He was Chase Stokes, who's also, like, sensitive.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I feel like this is, like, his, like, version of a grand gesture on her behalf, and I just know she, like, hates this.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Like, seriously, leave Morgan alone. I actually think Kelsey feels now, like, leave more like, Like, I think that's her how she looks on the whole situation.

[Turt]

Like, excavating more drama between these two. Like, isn't good for Kelsey. Like, she's moved on and now you're their problem.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Turt]

Not Morgan.

[Jackie]

A thousand percent. It's so weird how that relationship turned out, because it was really, like, everything to the men who love women after heartbreak. Like, it was this kind of how her old relationship became the stereotype, like, the archetype of, like, a bad marriage and a bad divorce. It was like, the hope, the eternally

[Turt]

hopeful story about, like, a rebound. That's the one. And he knows all the words.

[Jackie]

Yikes. Yikes. Bikes.

[Turt]

I think this guy is, like, trouble.

[Jackie]

Me too.

[Turt]

I'm seeing trouble.

[Jackie]

The erratic behavior also, like, makes me think, you know, I don't know, but

[Turt]

I don't think I want you to say.

[Jackie]

I'm not going to. But, like, people who act crazy like this.

[Turt]

No, I just think he's, like, crazy and, like, he tries to over correct his errors right by. Oh, grand gestures. Yeah, with grand gestures that, like, don't really mean that make it worse. That cause issues, and it's like, just Stop cheating, bruv. And commit to her, bruv. That's it. It's that simple. Be the man that she needs.

[Jackie]

Come be the man I need. Tell me you got something to give. I want it. Yeah, exactly.

[Turt]

Yeah, it's pretty simple.

[Jackie]

That was really crazy of him.

[Turt]

Yeah. Really embarrassing. Loser sneeze.

[Jackie]

Loser sneeze.

[Turt]

Loser sneeze. Next. Khloe Kardashian is sharing on her podcast about a bunch of things, including her status with Good American.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I feel like we sort of blew this up. Shout out to my girl Georgie, who made the tick tock about it and put me onto it.

[Turt]

So Chloe did like a Q A on Chloe in Wonderland, which is just becoming like a great forum for Chloe to discuss Chloe things and her family.

[Jackie]

Like the fact that they haven't had always had this like, in house podcast where they can address things head on is such a mistake.

[Turt]

Yeah. So she's addressing speculation about a change in her current role at her brand, Good American. So she shared that she's still co founder and owner of Good American. At first she said, I think you really want to help build the brand as much as you can, and we've definitely done that. But Good American is doing so well and Good American is strong enough and stable enough to sustain on its own. She concluded that she's still very much co founder and owner of the brand.

[Jackie]

So I feel like I always bring up this example. Do you know what I'm about to say?

[Turt]

Fabletic? Yes.

[Jackie]

Because it's like a perfect example of how, like there was a time where Fabletics was Kate Hudson's athleisure company. They used her. I'm sure she has, like an equity partnership in the brand, but they used her to act like it was her company. And then it eventually became so big, people forgot, is it Kate Hudson's? Like, she. I don't even know if she's a part of it. She doesn't post for it. I don't think it's in her bio. You know, it's like this way of building brands off of the backs of celebrities where eventually they're supposed to exist outside of that celebrity and thrive without them. And I feel like Good American definitely got to the place where, like, it wasn't like Chloe posting the drops anymore. Right. It's like in every major department store, they have their own stores. It crushes. So I feel like they sort of ripped the band aid off maybe a couple of months ago with like removing Chloe from it. Publicly facing. But people noticed, you know, they didn't notice when Kate Hudson did it.

[Turt]

Yeah. And they just assume that it's bad. But no, it's just like the next iteration of a brand. Sort of like Carolyn for Road.

[Jackie]

Correct. Like removing the celebrity from the center of it.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Road is doing it slowly as they should. It feels like good American. Maybe did it a little too quick.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

It has to be like a really one step at a time.

[Turt]

It's also hard like depending on the celebrity. I think Haley will have a hard time ever without for it to ever feel like not Haley's brand. And I feel like the same for all the girls in their brands. Like they're just such brand, you know, Skims like Skims. Kim can really never will never think of skims as anything other. Sorry. We love it and will always wear it. But like if Kim ever tried to like remove herself.

[Jackie]

That's so funny. I so don't see it that way. I feel like I'm a.

[Turt]

Something went wrong. I feel like she's always like posting like videos of her.

[Jackie]

Oh my God. I never see those. I always see just like skims like it's like its own company. I never, I feel like I haven't seen her do those like try ons like guys, we're launching these undies.

[Turt]

Oh, I feel, I feel like I

[Jackie]

haven't seen it in years.

[Turt]

I feel like I'm always seeing.

[Jackie]

Maybe it's just like our algorithms, but I feel like she has really successfully extricated herself from the brand. But like she's still always promoting it. She's still like you know, posting about it. But I don't even think of it so much as Kim's brand anymore. I think it's like this mega thing she built.

[Turt]

Oh really? Oh, I don't have that experience. I feel like for the girls it will be hard for them because they're just like so forward facing. Kate Hudson does so many things and most of them we like know about fabletics not because of Kate Hudson. And then it's just like a fun fact. Oh, it's Kate Hudson.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Turt]

So it's not the same.

[Jackie]

I feel like that's the sort of core issue with Kylie cosmetics is that she doesn't really want to be like so involved in it anymore. But she can't not. It's first of all literally her namesake. Maybe that's like what makes it hard. But it's like I think products only sell when she posts about them. Whereas like skims is getting, you know, thousands of orders a day, I imagine. And When Kim posts, it's like a little bit of a bump, but the company exists without Kim and her, like, supplemental promotion. Whereas, like, Kylie Cosmetics, I don't think they get one order until Kylie posted TikTok.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And then it's like a couple of weeks of lots of orders and then she posts another one.

[Turt]

Yeah. And that's fine.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Turt]

Posting.

[Jackie]

Yeah, keep posting. But I think good American, like, with their retail presence, I think that they very much operate without Chloe successfully.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Same with Lemmy.

[Turt]

Really?

[Jackie]

Yeah. Let me.

[Turt]

I mean, all really well, but, like, it's still, to me, like, Courtney, if Courtney ever stopped posted about Lemmy and Lemmy was still doing further launches and she wasn't posting about it, I would think something went wrong. Now she could say, oh, nothing's wrong. You know, you just can live on its own. I'd be like, oh, okay.

[Jackie]

I think that the brand could live on its own, like, without. Without Courtney. I think they have, like, really good, like, they're. They do, like, great social, like, Instagram partnerships. They're all over Target. Like, whenever I walk into a place, I feel like she supports, but I think every time she posts, like, it doesn't necessarily move the needle that much. Like, I think it's sort of. It's just funny what takes and what doesn't, you know?

[Turt]

Yeah. But I think with that, she's more so, like, the face of it. Like, not about, like, direct to consumer, like, click this link.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Turt]

But it's the Kourtney Kardashian awareness style.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Turt]

She's like the Gwyneth of Sprinter. I don't know where that falls into this.

[Jackie]

I feel like I don't even know if. When Kylie posts Sprinter, if people buy it, honestly.

[Turt]

Yeah. But. Yeah, I don't even know.

[Jackie]

Even though I think it's doing well.

[Turt]

That's about. But then Chloe also shared in her Q A that she has a frozen embryo that she's concealed considering having another baby, either on her own or with her next partner.

[Jackie]

But does that mean an embryo is, like, has a dad?

[Turt]

Yes.

[Jackie]

So it's Tristan's.

[Turt]

Oh, yeah. So she has another partner, but it would still biologically be Tristan's.

[Jackie]

I just feel like he's messed up so much, he's not allowed to, like, say, you know, it's so true. Like, it's her embryo, period.

[Turt]

Yeah. Yeah. I. That. I guess that's fair.

[Jackie]

Yeah. You know, and he has, like, a lot of kids.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So I actually don't feel like he's that precious. Yeah.

[Turt]

He literally but she said that she wants to give True a sister, and she thinks, like, you know, she's obviously grew up with sisters and one brother, so she doesn't feel like Tatum needs brothers because Rob didn't have brothers.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Turt]

All's well. But that she really feels like True needs a sister, and so she contemplates, like, you know, unfreezing that embryo. I know.

[Jackie]

I feel like she had such a bad experience with surrogacy that I don't know if she would do it again. Yeah. I feel like that's probably something that

[Turt]

plagues her, but maybe having, like, her expectations now, having done it right and having done it, like, she maybe do it differently and whatever about it, that she didn't, like, love. She could change, but. And she said True knows that she has a frozen girl in the fridge. She tells people that she has a.

[Jackie]

Her sister's in Elsa.

[Turt]

Her sister's in the freezer.

[Jackie]

Like Elsa.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

That's cute.

[Turt]

But that would be interesting. But I also feel like it's maybe a little different because True's growing up with her cousin so close.

[Jackie]

She's one of the triplets.

[Turt]

She's one of the triplets of Shy Dream and True.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Turt]

And then there's Storm, and they're just. I feel like they have that sisterly.

[Jackie]

They go to, like, the same. I think they're in, like, a homeschooling cohort where, like, they made their own school.

[Turt]

And so it might not be, like, what Chloe grew up with, but it's akin to sisterhood.

[Jackie]

I agree. Like, I think True would be okay.

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But I think it's more so, like, maybe Chloe wants more kids.

[Turt]

Does Chloe want more kids?

[Jackie]

Is Chloe gonna date?

[Turt]

Like, I find it stupid. So exciting when they have more kids.

[Jackie]

I know.

[Turt]

I'm, like, itching for one.

[Jackie]

You just had one.

[Turt]

No, for them.

[Jackie]

Oh, okay, girl, slow down. No, no, no, no.

[Turt]

I meant for them, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Turt]

And, like, of course, I don't want to put pressure on Kylie and Timothy.

[Jackie]

No, that's definitely happening. Yeah. His partner.

[Turt]

His partner. And she wants a lot of kids.

[Jackie]

I just know he watched her in that movie, which is, like, definitely, like a turn movie. But, like, her.

[Turt]

No, but for his sort of people, I think it's like a 24. A 24. It's the highest honor.

[Jackie]

I think he saw that and probably cried. Like, it was so impressive.

[Turt]

That's his queen right there.

[Jackie]

Big time queen. Btq.

[Turt]

So I won't put pressure.

[Jackie]

No, of course.

[Turt]

And Chloe. I won't put pressure but like, that would just be very exciting.

[Jackie]

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[Turt]

Thank you. Feed the turt.

[Jackie]

I wanted to say something like I, I think people would find something interesting, you know. Recently we got an offer to re

[Turt]

homeo re home Romeo operation re homeo

[Jackie]

Ben's parents which I've always said like if we ever re home Romeo just because I'm really not at like a place in my life where I can give love to a dog. I would only do it if it. If he went to Ben's parents, he basically like has lived there half his life between being pregnant and just like us taking trips and stuff. So when we saw them recently, they said, you know, we'll take Romeo home with us. And you know what I said? No. I said no. I feel like I'm really feeling back to myself. He's not bothering me nearly as much as he's getting older. Like he is becoming less annoying. Still not perfect of course, but I feel like, I think also now maybe like knowing I have the real option to rehome, like I'm open more to, you know, life's possibilities. But yeah, not to brag but did

[Turt]

they say like we'll take him or like we want him? Both. They want him.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I know that they, like, you know, want him.

[Turt]

I feel like if they really, really want him, well, then who are you to deny them? Right.

[Jackie]

But for right now, like, I think I'm okay.

[Turt]

Okay. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Maybe when we get back to the city, like, he'll start to annoy me again.

[Turt]

We'll monitor the situation.

[Jackie]

But our time here has been really good for me and Row.

[Turt]

Yeah. Like, the Florida sun has been good for Romeo.

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[Turt]

For his mental health.

[Jackie]

And he's just like, sort of, like, stopped, you know, stabilized a little bit stabilized. Perfect. Word.

[Turt]

Our next story, some crazy news. Britney Spears was arrested in California for a dui. Yeah. On Wednesday night.

[Jackie]

Oh, my God, I totally miss this.

[Turt]

Yeah. There's not a lot of information, but she was arrested in Ventura county on Wednesday night for dui. Lauren law enforcement told TMZ she was handcuffed by the California highway patrol around 9:30pm Wednesday night. And she was booked by the Sheriff's Department around 3am. She was released from jail around 6am According to inmate records.

[Jackie]

Is there mug shot?

[Turt]

I have not seen one yet, but we are closely monitoring the situation. Yeah. What do you have to say?

[Jackie]

Unfree Britney. Like, I don't know.

[Turt]

Do better.

[Jackie]

No, this is my. My take on DUI's is obviously always met with, like, a stern talking to. But I don't think, you know, I wouldn't put her in the same basket as Justin Timberlake. Right. I just feel like, like, the. Those who freed Britney, like, maybe shouldn't have, you know?

[Turt]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I feel like it was never really for me and, like, you couldn't say it at the time.

[Turt]

Right.

[Jackie]

Because it was like, free Britney. Yeah, of course. But it was always like, well, I don't think she should be in this conservatorship, but she should be in a conservatorship. Like. And I feel like it's so terrible that, like, her time in that conservatorship, like, made her worse because they were putting her on lithium that she didn't need. And, like, you don't bounce back from that. This is so sad. And obviously, like, DUIs are, like, my thing, but I don't feel like yelling at her, you know, I feel really. I feel like hugging her. Like, this is so sad. Do you know if anyone else was in the car?

[Turt]

No, there's not anyone else that is mentioned.

[Jackie]

This is just devastating.

[Turt]

Yeah. Well, it doesn't sound like, like, she was arrested before she could cause any harm. Harm.

[Jackie]

Well, that's always good. Of course, that's the number one concern.

[Turt]

Yeah. But things aren't, like, looking good, sound good, you know, Brittany.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Turt]

Our fifth and final story is my new favorite category of story for Thursdays, and that's masked singer reveal.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah. I was keeping up last night, but I didn't know who the guy was.

[Turt]

Yeah, me neither. So the eggplant has been revealed as Jack Wagner, who was this alum from Maurer's Place in General Hospital. He's, like, a 90s actor. Like, the male Reese Al, Lisa Rinna.

[Jackie]

I guess so. Like, his trailer was right near mine. This one doesn't hit for me, you

[Turt]

know, I don't have anything to share.

[Jackie]

I'm sure some of the viewers, like, like, loved him, and it was exciting for them. But, like, for me, like, where's Philip Phillips?

[Turt]

The. The theme was Ozfest night, which was not about Wicked. It was actually about Ozzy Osborne.

[Jackie]

I'm so glad I missed that. I don't know one single.

[Turt]

Kelly Osborne was a panelist. Talk about Kelly Osborne on the guest.

[Jackie]

You see her at the bath. Says people are really, like, worried about her.

[Turt]

Why?

[Jackie]

She was looking, like, really face. New face, very frail. She looked like the same, like, she looked like her mom. And her mom's much older, 30 years her senior.

[Turt]

Well, she was a guest panelist last night for Ozfest.

[Jackie]

I don't know if everyone at the Mass Singer, like, hates me because I did quit, but I would love to be a guest panelist. I just want to put that out there. I feel like I would be really good.

[Turt]

Yeah. I don't know if that's.

[Jackie]

I think that chip has probably sailed. But if Kelly Osborne can't make it next week, like, I am available.

[Turt]

Yeah. You know, and what sort of night would you want to judge? Glee night?

[Jackie]

Is there a Glee night?

[Turt]

There should be, but there would be a million people. They could ask before you.

[Jackie]

There are middle people that could ask before me who would say no, but I would say yes.

[Turt]

No, but there are some that would say yes. You know? Yeah, there are a couple that would definitely.

[Jackie]

I would love to. If there was, like, a Broadway, like, musical theater. I would love to do that one. A lot of people.

[Turt]

Yeah. So we need to.

[Jackie]

So what if there's a song. If there's a night. A week where they sing my songs.

[Turt]

No. Or like, a week of, like, pop culture week or something? Yeah. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Podcast week.

[Turt]

Yay.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I'll do it.

[Turt]

So, yeah, we're getting closer to the end. I'm really, really excited to see who wins. I'm excited to get confirmation also. Someone gave another good clue about pug caso. Pablo Picasso. Philip Phillips P elana marble.

[Jackie]

Flip it around. Phillip Phillips.

[Turt]

Exactly.

[Jackie]

Yeah. No, that was a good clue. Like right in front of our eyes too.

[Turt]

Yes. Sort of like Queen Corgi, right? Oh my gosh. I'm so excited.

[Jackie]

So you watched Mad Singer and Southern Charm last night. Kind of a busy night for you.

[Turt]

I didn't watch Mas Singer but I am keeping up with the meals because I'm really interested to see who is competing alongside my sister who I adore and I just am very interested.

[Jackie]

Just didn't everything to do with it. It's all about your adoration.

[Turt]

It is. I mean, would I be sharing Mass Singer reveals every week.

[Jackie]

I was not being facetious.

[Turt]

Like, I'm so involved.

[Jackie]

Why are you attacking me? I was saying I felt like you

[Turt]

didn't feel like I was being genuine when I was.

[Jackie]

I think you're projecting.

[Turt]

I've never ever. I don't even. I never even clicked Mass Singer reveals before my sister was on the show.

[Jackie]

I agree. Like, I'm agreeing with you.

[Turt]

I wonder the eggplant.

[Jackie]

I think we need to know more about Josh Self. Was that his name?

[Turt]

Jack?

[Jackie]

I think we need to know more about Jack Self.

[Turt]

That's kind of a crazy one. You would think it would be like a porn star.

[Jackie]

Okay, I guess. Also if you were cream, it could be a porn star. Creamy, girls. All right. Are you gonna do the Southern Charm recap or not?

[Turt]

I know you really want to hear it.

[Jackie]

I actually don't because not to. I have to say this every Thursday. As somebody who knows Craig Conover in real life and knows he's good person, like, I can't be swindled by what's going on in this show. Like, that's my friend.

[Turt]

So here's what's going on. It's a fallout from the night of Craig

[Jackie]

Toxic Craig Santa.

[Turt]

I have. I have some things that I want to share. So he yelled at Sally all night long in the car. And the thing is, like, she did like antagonize him, but like, you should let it go like that to anyone, let alone a woman in a combined space for an hour long card where they can't get out. And he's just like yelling obscenities at her. They were drinking for 12 hours. All right, so the circumstances for which it happened, like are not good and it should never have happened. However, now it's the next day and it's like, let's deal with what's happened and let's try and make it right. You know, like, an apology can go a long way. So, I mean, look at us in hilly Shalazmit, right the next day, everyone's just sort of like, yikes. And it's like, has anyone heard from Craig? And he's just like, in his room till 3 o' clock where he goes and has lunch with Whitney. And I just want to say, the star of last night's episode, it was between Shep and Whitney. Whitney is so growing on me. Wow. So, like, hysterical. Some of the things he says. Zach was, like, cracking up. And I don't know if I just never, like, seen him in this light or he's just like, he's barely on the show, but when he is, he's

[Jackie]

just like, a delight.

[Turt]

Not a delight, but, like, just, like, funny and weird and you can appreciate him for who he is. So he's having a good showing, as is Shep, because he's just like, I've been where Craig is, like, the morning after, like, hating yourself. He's. Nobody's madder at Shep, at Craig right now than Craig is. So I just want to, like, be there for him. He needs support and he needs his friends and, like, it's just the worst feeling in the world. Now, unfortunately, Craig's not really, like, projecting that, you know, apologetic. Apologeticness and shame as he should.

[Jackie]

And you must humble yourself always.

[Turt]

And he was like, you know what? I obviously, like, I reacted too much. I shouldn't have done that. And what knee is like to him, you know, maybe you should apologize. And Craig's like, to who? Like, to who? Sally Austin.

[Jackie]

Where do we begin?

[Turt]

Charlie's done with him, by the way. She was in the car and they were like, you know, they had something nice budding. And part of Craig's grievance with Sally is like, Sally's completely coming in between Charlie and Craig. And she is. She's like, now, Charlie, why don't you tell me about your relationship? And meanwhile, she's like, craig's the worst person. So.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Turt]

Of course. Like, her best friend disliking the man she's interested in has made their relationship slow to progress. But again, you don't braid someone in the car for an hour. And so now Charlie saw this very ugly side of him, and she's like, yeah, I'm done. And I can totally understand that. They barely even. They have only kissed. And it's like, I just saw the worst side of you. Like, why would I ever want to get into a relationship with Her. So then they did this, like, big healing thing. They all were in, like, a sweating tent. That was the whole point of the trip. No, no, they went to Mexico, like, for this wellness trip. And like, the last day. Yeah, they were in a yurt sweating it out.

[Jackie]

I love a yurt.

[Turt]

Of course, Whitney did not sweat it out because that's my king right there. Whitney. He said he hates hippies. Yeah, he said he, like, went to a hippie school growing up. That's why he hates hippies. And he's turned to punk rock instead. So he's just, like, on the outside judging everything, but at the end, he, like, does come in, like, for one big jump, which is just funny. So they're all sweating it out and everyone. I think it's very cathartic moment. And even, like, Craig and Vanita, they wound up at, like, holding hands because of the exercise. And it could have been a moment of forgiveness. And I feel like Craig has sort of missed his opportunity to apologize and like, he. He needs to apologize because his behavior was totally wrong and he's just, like, not seeing that the next day. But I just want to, like, shout out to Shep because I feel like he's really matured over the last year and he's been such a good friend.

[Jackie]

I mean, better late than ever.

[Turt]

Yeah, yeah. He's been a good friend to all of the guys as much as he can be and, like, gives pretty good advice that he can't take for himself. But I really appreciated his take on, like, yeah, everyone's upset and everyone had, like, a horrible night. But it's, like, easier to be the person who, like, how to, you know, someone yell at them versus, like, the next day being the person who feels a lot of, like, shame. And it's very isolated. And so I thought Chep took a very mature approach to that. It also seemed like Craig and Austin reached a little bit of a reposhmoi during the year, but next week is the finale and all goes to again.

[Jackie]

And hopefully it's never Craig's fault, right?

[Turt]

No. But I'll be curious to see if he does eventually, like, apologize and just own up to his behavior. And, like, the drinking and it was just. It got to a bad place. And I feel like it's fair for him to not be in the best place right now.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Turt]

But he has to, like, show, open up and share that with people and not just, like, push through, be destructive and justify what he did, because that wasn't cool.

[Jackie]

Well, there's always next week. Craig I believe in you.

[Turt]

Yeah. And sometimes, like, you need a minute to process. It's not like, you know, and you want the apology to be genuine, so you want the person to feel bad immediately after they don't feel bad because it hasn't, like, dawned on them yet. Like, I can give a little more time, but, like, let's not that much. Let's get to that apology.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Turt]

How about that apology?

[Jackie]

Anything on tonight?

[Turt]

Yeah. Beverly Hills. Oh, right.

[Jackie]

And I did catch up.

[Turt]

Beverly Hills.

[Jackie]

I don't know if I'll be able to watch in between all my reading. I read again last night.

[Turt]

Oh, speaking of reading, Redheads will be out today.

[Jackie]

Wow.

[Turt]

It's all ready to go. It'll be up right after this.

[Jackie]

So. So go listen to that. Now that we're done.

[Turt]

Now that we're done, it's safe to go.

[Jackie]

Yes. Don't listen to the good guys, though.

[Turt]

No.

[Jackie]

Thank you guys so much for listening to the Toast, the millennial morning show where we deliver the fast five stories. And you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give us video thumbs up. We're also available as a podcast anywhere podcasts can be found. So that's Spotify, Tune stitcher, Public radio. I read a cast box. All the places we listen. Podcast Fantastic. To see if I start void I. Beautiful sounding and wickedly talented. We are. Hope you guys have an amazing day and we'll see you tomorrow for the final episode of the week.

[Turt]

Love ya. Bye.

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