Dishin' With Lish with Ben Soffer: Monday, March 23rd, 2026

Summary

The Toast – "Dishin' With Lish with Ben Soffer"

Date: March 23, 2026
Hosts: Jessica (filling in for Claudia Oshry) & Ben Soffer
Podcast: The Toast (Dear Media)

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Episode Overview

In this lively Monday episode, Jessica welcomes Ben Soffer (Claudia's husband and host of "Good Guys" and "Lish on the Dish") as guest co-host while Claudia is out sick. The episode is a whirlwind of pop culture commentary, reality TV deep-dives, trending news, lighthearted banter, parenting anecdotes, and plenty of humor. Ben brings his unique energy and perspective, offering both fresh takes and playful self-deprecation. Together, they discuss everything from Disney on Ice and Justin Timberlake’s DUI footage, to Bachelor franchise chaos, to the Chapel Roan controversy, comedy news, trending TV shows, book adaptations, and more.

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Key Topics, Discussion Points, and Memorable Moments

1. Pop Culture & Life Catch-Up

Timestamps: 00:03–09:22

• Ben’s Reading Habit & Shabbat:

  • Ben has been reading "Remarkably Bright Creatures" (03:02). He shares that he only reads it on Saturdays due to his personal Shabbat, savoring progress to prolong the enjoyment.
    • Quote (Ben, 02:43): "No, I love the book so much that I don't want it to end."
  • Jessica teases Ben’s pace and reading rituals, noting Claudia picked the book for him—"she's friends with an octopus, that's so me" (03:01).

• Ben’s Kindness Anecdote:

  • Ben recounts saving a ladybug from his car and returning it to nature rather than making a wish, quipping he gave the ladybug her power back "like Aladdin with the genie – she's free" (03:47).

• Disney on Ice Recap:

  • Both attended Disney on Ice over the weekend (03:50). The atmosphere, nostalgia, and childlike joy of the show are highlighted.
    • Quote (Ben, 05:02): "Anybody that says that they're not a Disney adult is a liar."
    • Quote (Jessica, 05:56): "Would you say it's the happiest place on earth, family?"
    • Quote (Ben, 05:56): "I would say that it's the happiest place on ice. The happiest place on ice."
  • Discussion about Panthers Arena and plans for a hockey game segue into the current popularity of youth hockey in the US (07:01).

• Sports & Parenting:

  • Talk of youth hockey surging, Ben cracking jokes about Jews typically playing floor hockey instead of ice hockey. Jokes and genuine interest in their own kids possibly playing (07:21).

2. Weekend Recap: Miami Open & Family Moments

Timestamps: 08:19–09:22

• Ben shares about attending the Miami Open ("what an event"), partial jokes comparing it to the US Open and misadventures with tennis names and characters.
• Brief heartfelt shoutouts to their children and a promise not to dwell for fear of "just wanting to go home" (09:13).

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3. Pop Culture Headlines & Deep-Dive Stories

Timestamps: 14:32–72:24

A. Justin Timberlake DUI Body Cam Footage

Timestamps: 14:32–23:00

• Story Recap:
  • The long-awaited body cam footage of Timberlake's DUI is out. Jessica summarizes the public and legal back-and-forth about releasing it.
• Ben’s Reaction:
  • Finds the video “very, very, very sad,” expressing empathy more than scorn (15:41).
  • Asserts: "I don't think this will do irreputable harm to his reputation. If anything...I think it will do the opposite. ...I feel bad that that video was released." (15:41–16:21)
• Jessica & Claudia’s Contrasts:
  • Jessica notes the video "softens the blow" of his DUI (16:46), detailing Timberlake’s polite, non-“celebrity entitlement” behavior on camera.
  • Plans to revisit with Claudia, who traditionally has a much harsher stance: "She thinks it's the most disgusting, reprehensible thing a human being can do." (17:53)
• Banter About Responsibility:
  • Both agree: “Nobody of means should ever be driving drunk. …Justin Timberlake could never be stranded” (18:41–18:56).
  • Light-hearted tangent about Teslas and speeding (19:26–21:58).

B. GLP-1 Medication Side Effects & Honest Weight Loss Talk

Timestamps: 23:11–25:27

• Ben discusses switching from Zepbound back to Ozempic due to sadness and mental side effects.
  • Quote (Ben, 23:34): "Like, sad. Isn't that weird? I went off and I'm like, oh my God, I feel so much better."
• Fun banter about food temptations and the eternal "would you rather be fat and happy or skinny and sad?"
  • Quote (Ben, 24:31): "I would 100% rather be fat and happy. If you don't have your brain, you're fucked."

C. Bachelor Franchise Scandal: Taylor Frankie Paul

Timestamps: 25:38–38:16

• Story Recap:

  • The season premiere of "The Bachelorette" was canceled due to resurfaced domestic abuse video of star Taylor Frankie Paul.
  • Details around Taylor's personal/legal scandals and the show's “will-they-or-won’t-they” relationship with airing morally complicated content.

• Hosts’ Take:

  • Both dissect ABC/Hulu’s culpability, noting, “they cast her knowing full well” about her history. (27:44)
  • Ben observes: "You are literally platforming a woman with a history of...she's currently with an ex in a toxic relationship. ...How are you the Bachelorette?" (27:52)
  • Jessica speculates the cancellation is also due to new, unreleased revelations—possibly more recent child abuse allegations—making airing the show impossible (29:16).
  • Broader discussion about the integrity (or lack thereof) of the Bachelor franchise and reality TV (33:19–34:28).

D. Social Media Drama: Weenie of the Week & Online Clipping Ethics

Timestamps: 38:16–41:35

• Jessica apologizes for the out-of-context virality of her "Weenie of the Week" segment directed at a "Mormon Wives" cast member, explaining the segment's intended lightness and humor but regretting its harshness in isolation.
  • Quote (Jessica, 40:00): "Taken out of context, it comes off a lot harsher. And usually we don't clip it....I was in shock. This is my worst nightmare."
• Hosts reflect on the pervasive reach of podcast commentary in reality TV communities.

E. Chapel Roan Controversy

Timestamps: 41:36–48:20

• The recent scandal: Chapel Roan allegedly sends security to "berate" an 11-year-old soccer player's daughter for simply walking near her at a hotel breakfast in São Paulo.
• Hosts’ skepticism about Chapel’s denial, noting her “track record” of being hostile towards fans and the media.
  • Quote (Jessica, 45:48): "Back to the matter at hand...this is not surprising."
• Ben draws parallels to other difficult celebrities and pop-culture entitlement:
  • Quote (Ben, 47:52): "If you don't want to be in the public eye, stay home. ...Don't go to Paris Fashion Week."
• Broader reflection on celebrity boundaries, fan relationships, and the right to privacy.

F. Quick Hits: Comedy & TV News

Timestamps: 48:22–62:11

• Kevin Hart’s Netflix Roast
  • Both hosts are excited and speculate about the lineup (55:10).
    • Quote (Ben, 54:02): "I love a roast...I can't believe this is live."
• LA vs. NY Life
  • The merits of living on the East versus West Coast, warm weather, and alternatives across the US (56:56).
• Allergies & Meds:
  • Ben recommends Flonase over Zyrtec for allergies because of less brain fog (58:53).

G. Book & TV Adaptations

Timestamps: 62:11–67:08

• "God of the Woods" Netflix Series:
  • Maya Hawke has been cast; "Redheads" book club excitement.
• Ben’s Book: "Remarkably Bright Creatures" Becoming a Movie
  • Sally Field is cast as Tova.
    • Quote (Ben, 62:18): "I gotta finish the book before the movie comes out."
  • General discussion about the perils of loving a book before its adaptation.

H. Final TV, Home, and Cooking Tangents

Timestamps: 67:09–71:12

• New dating show "Age of Attraction" on Netflix—premise and casting.
• Chip & Joanna Gaines' recent lake house series and cooking show.
• Ben’s home cheese & labneh making hobby.
• Playful recurring "Nigel with the brie" in-jokes.

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4. Notable Quotes

• Ben on Disney on Ice:
  "Anybody that says that they're not a Disney adult is a liar." (05:02)
• Jessica on Out-of-Context Clipping:
  "Taken out of context, it comes off a lot harsher...I was in shock. This is my worst nightmare." (40:00)
• Ben on Chapel Roan:
  "If you don't want to be in the public eye, stay home. ...Don't go to Paris Fashion Week." (47:52)
• Ben on Skinny vs. Happy:
  "I would 100% rather be fat and happy. If you don't have your brain, you're fucked." (24:31)
• On Bachelor Franchise:
  "They were gonna choose this, like, crazy toxic person, hopefully redeem her, give her, like, a beautiful fairy tale ending....But now they have none of that. ...They can't air it. We cannot. ...Like, it's over." (35:40)

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Timestamps for Main Segments

• Opening Banter, Shabbat, Books: 00:03–03:10
• Disney on Ice & Hockey: 03:50–08:09
• Miami Open & Parenting Chatter: 08:19–09:22
• Justin Timberlake DUI Footage Commentary: 14:32–23:00
• GLP-1 Weight Loss Meds/Health Tangent: 23:11–25:27
• Taylor Frankie Paul/‘Bachelorette’ Scandal: 25:38–38:16
• Reality TV Community/Online Drama: 38:16–41:35
• Chapel Roan, Celebrity-Fan Boundaries: 41:36–48:20
• Comedy/Netflix Roast News: 55:01–56:59
• East vs. West Coast, Allergies, Meds: 56:59–62:11
• Book Adaptations Discussion: 62:11–67:08
• TV Tangents, Cooking Talk: 67:09–71:12

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Episode Tone & Style

• Upbeat, unscripted, chatty, and approachable
• Humorous, with a mix of hot takes and self-deprecation
• Honest and sometimes irreverent, balanced by moments of real empathy
• Pop-culture savvy and reality TV-obsessed
• Full of personal asides, friendship chemistry, and inside jokes

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For Further Listening

• The hosts promise even more pointed takes (especially from Claudia) in upcoming episodes, particularly on timberlake and Chapel Roan (“if you felt like we went too easy, don’t worry…”).
• For more of Ben’s take, check out his podcast "Good Guys" and recent episodes with guests like Andrew Santino and Spencer Pratt.

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This episode is perfect for Toast fans who want the lowdown on the latest scandals, pop culture chatter, reality TV drama, and genuine laughs, all delivered in the signature Oshry/Soffer rapid-fire style.

Transcript

[Jessica]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host. It's your favorite show. The best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to the Toast. Happy Mondays, you guys. Today's such an exciting Monday because I am joined by Bungalish Ben Safer, Claudia's husband, host of the Good Guys. Lish on the Dish.

[Ben]

Lish on the Dish. Happy to fill in. My coders has fallen ill.

[Jessica]

I'm actually really. I'm sad that Claudia is sick, but I'm really excited to be co hosting with you. Just, like, shake it up.

[Ben]

I love coding.

[Jessica]

I needed a little disruption.

[Ben]

Yeah. You know, we could do this all the time on the Good Guys. Like, you're always welcome. I think I invited you to come on, like, a couple of weeks ago. I was like, come on. You said, yeah, maybe.

[Jessica]

I think I said, yeah, but, like, set it up. Make it easy for me. Like, you know, I'm a guest. Not yet.

[Ben]

We're here. It's easy.

[Jessica]

No, no. We need to, like, spread out totally. Otherwise, you know, people get sick of us.

[Ben]

I totally agree. I totally agree. Lish on the Dish.

[Jessica]

Lish on the dish. I'm excited to just shake it up, get your perspective. There's so many ongoing stories right now that Claudia and I have sort of circled the drain on, so it's, like, time for a fresh perspective.

[Ben]

You're also lucky. Like, you know, I live with my head in my ass, and I know nothing about. And I somehow know everything about what's going on right now in pop culture.

[Jessica]

That's so great.

[Ben]

I know everything. I've been consuming, I've been watching, I've been doing. Claudia's controlling the remote, and I am focusing. Okay.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Ben]

I think that has to do with, you know, I've been keeping my version of Shabbat where I shut my phone from Friday night to Saturday night and then torture the people around me.

[Jessica]

Do meaningful things to use their phones. Yeah.

[Ben]

But, like, I can't just, like, be on my phone. So she puts on something. I'm watching Mormon Wives.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Okay. I'm watching Love Story by jfk. I can't be doing anything else. I'm reading my book Miraculously Bright Creatures. Wonderful, isn't it?

[Jessica]

Remarkably Bright Creatures.

[Ben]

Wonderful book. I'm about 60% of the way through, age 205.

[Jessica]

Do you think you'll be finishing it anytime soon?

[Ben]

Yeah, I'm doing about Maybe in, like, three Saturdays. I'm doing about 20% a Saturday.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Ben]

So this was. I think this was my third Saturday.

[Jessica]

And it's not good enough that you feel like maybe reading it on a Sunday?

[Ben]

No. When would I read it on a

[Jessica]

Sunday instead of watching tv?

[Ben]

No, I could. We really don't watch that much tv, like, at night, and then we just, like. Like an hour at night and then we go to sleep. But, like, I've had such a long day. I'm gonna read.

[Jessica]

Well, if you love the book and you wanna know what happens next.

[Ben]

No, I love the book so much that I don't want it to end.

[Jessica]

Okay, listen. To each their own. We're glad that you're reading.

[Ben]

It's a great book. It's a great book.

[Jessica]

We're never gonna clown on you. And. Yeah, you can read at your own pace. I'm not gonna judge you.

[Ben]

It's a great book. And I just, like, Claudia picked it for me and it's just so me. Like, she's friends with an octopus.

[Jessica]

Like, that's so.

[Ben]

Yeah, that's so me.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

I would be friends with an octopus. Like, I don't have octopuses in my orbit to be friends with, but if somebody introduced me to an octopus, I would be friends with an octopus.

[Jessica]

You're just a friendly guy.

[Ben]

I'm friendly.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

So friendly. Drove the car here today, noticed there's a little ladybug as I brought down my window. Little ladybug. And I was thinking to myself, what do I do with this ladybug? I stopped. I turned off the car. I returned the ladybug to where she belongs.

[Jessica]

Did you make a wish?

[Ben]

No, I just said, I hope you have a great day.

[Jessica]

You're supposed to make a wish on a ladybug.

[Ben]

Really? Do I still have the wish?

[Jessica]

Yeah. No, no, no. It's like when you encounter one.

[Ben]

Good.

[Jessica]

Well, so you missed out.

[Ben]

I gave her back her wish.

[Jessica]

Oh, wow.

[Ben]

You steal her wish from her.

[Jessica]

You gave her power back.

[Ben]

I gave her power. It's like Aladdin with the genie. She's free.

[Jessica]

Oh, my God. Speaking of Aladdin, we saw Disney on Ice yesterday.

[Ben]

Yes, we left before Aladdin.

[Jessica]

Oh, we did. I walked out.

[Ben]

What song did they sing?

[Jessica]

I walked out with you. Did you not see me huffing and puffing behind you? You guys left right after intermission because, like, your Ruby's a little bit younger, so he had, like, a shorter threshold.

[Ben]

Cogers had a shorter threshold. Ruby was great. Ruby was fantastic. He would have been. He was ready for another four hours. Koji was like, I gotta get the fuck outta here.

[Jessica]

Zach was like, oh, why did the stoppers leave? I was like, I think Ruby was fussy even though he was quiet.

[Ben]

I love. I love that I'm calling her cogers because that's what your family calls her. I've never once called her cogers to anybody else. They're probably like, what the hell?

[Jessica]

No. But in the conte of all of us going to Disney on Ice, like, she is coders. She's anti Cody co. She's mama.

[Ben]

She's mama.

[Jessica]

And she's mama. You guys left right after intermission and I walked out with you because I had Max with me and, like, he was in the carrier but, like, starting to wake up, and I was just like, you know what? We can go for a walk in the concessions. Like, I don't want to sit down here anymore. But the first half that we did see was so amazing. What were your thoughts? That was your first time going as an adult.

[Ben]

It was amazing. And anybody that says that they're not a Disney adult is a liar.

[Jessica]

It's so joyful.

[Ben]

Like, if you're put in a situation where your son or daughter is on your lap, you are watching a whole new world. You are watching Beauty and the Beast. Whatever song that was. What song was that?

[Jessica]

Be our guest.

[Ben]

Be our guest. Be our guest. Put a service to the test. Tie a napkin round your neck, Sherry. And you control the rest. Scoop du jour. Oh, that's the name. Yeah, that's the name of my chicken salad place. I forgot. It's soup du jour.

[Jessica]

Oh, I thought it was an index of your recipe.

[Ben]

No, no.

[Jessica]

Chicken salad.

[Ben]

If you can enjoy that, you're a monster.

[Jessica]

No, it's seriously magical from. We actually walked in right when it started, so we were, like, walking down the stairs and it was taking place on the ice. And it's just, like, transformative and so magical.

[Ben]

It's beautiful. Yeah, it's a beautiful event.

[Jessica]

Would you say it's the happiest place on earth, family?

[Ben]

I would say that it's the happiest place on ice. The happiest place on ice. Yeah, I would.

[Jessica]

I would say so, too.

[Ben]

I would. It's lovely. And shout out, Panthers arena. What a beautiful arena.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Fabulous. Great parking.

[Jessica]

We've got to do a Panthers game.

[Ben]

I'm down. I don't know if we can park where we parked. We parked in, like, player parking. Can you park there when there's actually a game?

[Jessica]

Oh, can you park in the garage? You can you can. But, like, can. Can you? No. Just. Just if you're special. She said you'll give us her parking pass. Wow.

[Ben]

No.

[Jessica]

That entrance was sick.

[Ben]

That entrance was sick. And I told you I love hockey. I went to arrange. First of all, normally I hate hockey. Okay. Hate hockey. I went to a Ranger game like, three and a half months ago. Right up against the glass, they're slamming on the glass, the puck's hitting you in the face. This is the thrill of a lifetime.

[Jessica]

So you like hockey now?

[Ben]

I love hockey when you're sitting there. Otherwise I'd rather watch it at home.

[Jessica]

Okay. I feel like it's hard to watch mtv. You can't see the puck.

[Ben]

I don't know why I said that. I don't want to watch it at all.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

I'm either there or you're on the glass or I'm not interested.

[Jessica]

Yeah, but I don't know. Hockey's, like, pretty big down here because the Panthers, like, he slay.

[Ben]

Yeah, they're good.

[Jessica]

Like, many a Stanley cup have been won and. And ice hockey is having a big moment in the country. Of course, Team usa. But also, like, youth hockey numbers are the biggest levels we've ever seen.

[Ben]

Really?

[Jessica]

Younger kids signing up for hockey.

[Ben]

Wow. Are we thinking about hockey for Harry? Charlie would be great.

[Jessica]

They love hockey. They love all sports, but they love hockey.

[Ben]

Wow.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

That's crazy. That's crazy. Like, Jews don't do ice hockey. We do floor.

[Jessica]

The Hughes brothers.

[Ben]

No, but, like, it's really cool to do ice hockey, but we don't do ice hockey. Yeah, no, I would love them to do ice hockey.

[Jessica]

No, there's a lot of.

[Ben]

Don't get me wrong, we do a lot of floor hockey, which, by the way, is not real hockey. I don't know what it is. No, it's like it's basically Hogwarts. It's like. So you know Quidditch. Quidditch, yeah, exactly. Except Quidditch. If you didn't fly and you just, like, were on your broom running around, that's floor hockey.

[Jessica]

Yeah. It's like field hockey, but indoors.

[Ben]

Indoors and really sad.

[Jessica]

Yeah, it's fun.

[Ben]

Did we mention that Codiers was a world class floor hockey goalie? Do the people know that?

[Jessica]

Goalie? No, and I'm not sure that that's true because I feel like that's something she would have told us when we talked about the Olympics.

[Ben]

Like, world class, world class hockey goalie.

[Jessica]

Maybe she doesn't want people to know. Maybe that's her secret.

[Ben]

Well, now they know.

[Jessica]

Well, that was a great way to spend the Sunday was Disney on ice. The dis.

[Ben]

And the day before, we went to the Miami Open.

[Jessica]

Oh, right.

[Ben]

And my goodness, what an event. People are always, U.S. open. U.S. open. The Miami Open.

[Jessica]

Greater than.

[Ben]

No, definitely not greater than, but amazing.

[Jessica]

Just as good then.

[Ben]

No, no.

[Jessica]

Oh. So that's why they do say US Open. US Open.

[Ben]

I guess so. But, like, you hear so much. US Open. I've never heard of the Miami Open. I was thinking, like, what the hell is this? Is it golf? Like, I didn't know.

[Jessica]

No, it's like. Yeah, it's another.

[Ben]

But like, we saw Sinner. He's fantastic. Vamos, Sinner. That's what they were saying because he's from Italy. Vamos. And he was great.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Ben]

Vamos.

[Jessica]

I wasn't there with them.

[Ben]

No. We had such fabulous seats.

[Jessica]

How's Grey Ouven? Is he moving in Grey oven?

[Ben]

He's moving in Grey Ouven.

[Jessica]

I love him moving in Greyuv. I love Greyu.

[Ben]

He's groovy and chunky and beautiful.

[Jessica]

The groober.

[Ben]

He's the best.

[Jessica]

He is the best. We can't talk about the kids on the show because then we just want to go home.

[Ben]

I know. Ruby.

[Jessica]

Charlie.

[Ben]

Charlie's so cute.

[Jessica]

Hearts.

[Ben]

They're beautiful boys.

[Jessica]

Maxi.

[Ben]

He's beautiful.

[Jessica]

Let's go. Okay. Nine minutes.

[Ben]

Show. We love you. All right, see you later.

[Jessica]

No, we have work to do. We actually have a lot to do. And if it weren't for Justin Timberlake's DY video, maybe I would get up right now. But we have much to discuss by way of pop culture.

[Ben]

We do.

[Jessica]

So if that's all between you and I, and I guess we'll do good guys and podcasts together at a later

[Ben]

date, I think that's it. I don't. There's a lot of. There's a lot of pop culture to

[Jessica]

talk about, and we can weave in and out of bunge and swunge dynamics.

[Ben]

We can. We'll weave. We'll bop and weave.

[Jessica]

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[Ben]

Thank you to our sponsors. Well done.

[Jessica]

Our first story. We're actually going to go Justin Timberlake for our first story. I know. Taylor. Frankie. Seriously, like the story of the year. Yes, but we both just watched the video of Justin Timberlake getting arrested we had reported a few weeks ago that he was trying. He was suing to stop the release of this video, saying that it would cause severe harm to his reputation. It will be embarrassing. They said public dissemination of this footage would cause severe and irreparable harm to Justin's personal and professional reputation, subjecting him to public ridicule and harassment, and serve no legitimate public interest. However, the body cam footage was released. There were things that were redacted that were either, like, personal information or private details. So, you know, probably, like his address.

[Ben]

Sure.

[Jessica]

Or other things. I don't know what exactly was redacted. I'm just assuming, because when he gives over his license and it cuts to the next thing. So it has been redacted, but the video is here. We see him getting pulled over, saying who he is, what he's doing. We see him doing his walking test that he utterly fails.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Jessica]

He declines a Breathalyzer. And then we see him in the police station. He makes a little joke. Honey, I made a little joke.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Jessica]

About his race. And I want to know what you thought. Do you think this causes reputational harm to Mr. Dustin Timberlake?

[Ben]

I thought this was a very, very, very sad video to watch. I felt very sad the whole time watching it. I felt sad when he was in the police station, and I didn't need to see it. That said, I don't think that this will do irreputable harm to his reputation. If anything, if I feel this way, I think it will do the opposite. I think that there are so many people that are gonna watch that and be like, I feel bad that that video was released. It's not like he looks like a sad drunk guy. That's sad that he was pulled over and sad that he was in this situation and tried to get out of it and couldn't.

[Jessica]

I have a lot of thoughts, but I do think ultimately softens the blow of his dui. Like, yeah, it's not really embarrassing. He didn't act in a manner like, I'm Justin Timberlake. You don't know who I am. He, like, was trying to say, he's on a tour, a world tour. He sounded drunk in the way he was saying it because it made no sense, because, like, only, you know,.0001 of people are actually on a world tour, so. And we know that the arresting officer did not know who Justin Timberlake was.

[Ben]

Very. It was very clear that he didn't know.

[Jessica]

He was, like, a much younger guy. That's not his artist.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And then I Think some of the friends that he was following home, when they came back, they were like, you know, talking about sexy back and Justin Timber and nsync. Bye, bye, bye. But Justin never acted that way. Like, I'm a. Don't you know who I am?

[Ben]

No, no.

[Jessica]

I will say he. The walking test. Like, we should try that if it's really hard because he was horrible at it.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And I wish he's taken the breathalyzer because by that point, like, he's going to jail. Unless he was gonna be so drunk that, like, we would know he blew three times the legal limit and he was drinking and driving like that. But, like, I don't know. I feel like there was a chance. May he wasn't that drunk. Is there a chance?

[Ben]

He seemed pretty drunk, but not if he was really drunk. He's clearly a nice drunk. He was very measured. He was trying to be nice. Definitely tried to weasel his way out of it. He didn't say that he was on a world tour and was hoping that the cop would pick up the crumb that he just left, that he's a major celebrity. And he didn't. But I don't know, just watching that, I was just like, oh, this is just sad. Very sad.

[Jessica]

It's funny because if Claudia over here, she hates him. She hates when people get DUIs. She thinks it's the most disgusting, reprehensible thing a human being can do.

[Ben]

I totally hear that. And she's not wrong at all.

[Jessica]

And, like, we're going so soft on him when we have been so hard on him since this happened. But I would have been. I will be. We'll talk to her tomorrow. Curious to hear what. How this video makes her feel about the situation and if she feels any. Any softer about it.

[Ben]

Yeah, it. It just was such a sad video. I'm just following my friends home.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Like.

[Jessica]

And the every turn, I'm just trying

[Ben]

to get on, by the way, get fucking better friends.

[Jessica]

Why?

[Ben]

Because Justin Timberlake shouldn't be driving drunk in the Hamptons. He has so much money. And, like, why somebody should be driving.

[Jessica]

Why did they carpool there? They're all staying together. They took two cars there even though they wanted to drink.

[Ben]

Yeah. No, he needs to have better friends,

[Jessica]

so that's just stupid.

[Ben]

Agreed. Nobody of means should ever be driving drunk. You should only. Nobody should ever drive drunk.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

In a God forbid situation. The only person who should ever be driving drunk is somebody who has no way home. They're stranded. You know, Justin Timberlake could never be Stranded.

[Jessica]

Right.

[Ben]

Get a helicopter, get a driver, get a motorcade, call the police, get a room. The police will bring you home. Yeah, like, you're right.

[Jessica]

No, no, no. There's really no excuse.

[Ben]

There's no excuse.

[Jessica]

And, like, poor planning like, you went to. Why would you take two cars to go out for drinks? Like. Like take one car, one person is designated driver 100. Not everybody. Kind of a friend like me.

[Ben]

No.

[Jessica]

Who's just always designated.

[Ben]

Who's always dding.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

No, it's very sweet.

[Jessica]

Except.

[Ben]

And you become a better driver.

[Jessica]

I kind of, like, slay these streets. You know what I like.

[Ben]

You're a good driver.

[Jessica]

You know what I noticed about myself recently? I kind of speed.

[Ben]

The Tesla's very easy to speed. It is. The Tesla's very easy to speed in. I've told the story where I took your Tesla to Josh, and I did a speeding engagement in Orlando, and I couldn't go below 120.

[Jessica]

Really?

[Ben]

Yeah, because it's a go kart. Like, once you're on the open highway and you're trying to go 200 miles, it's a fucking go kart.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And you run out of gas like that.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

The second you start to speed. I looked it up afterwards. I'm like, these Teslas fucking suck. And they were saying once you go over 90, your battery just.

[Jessica]

Oh, really drops. Well, I'd never gotten the 90. I just mean, like, you know, I'm over. It's going over.

[Ben]

Okay, you're going 50 and a 30. Is that this ham hunter.

[Jessica]

Oh, go in 15. No, drive slow. We want to drive slow.

[Ben]

So 15 in the 30, that's much more dangerous. Nobody talks about that. Driving 15 in a 30 is more dangerous than driving 50 in a 30.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

If you are that person just on the highway driving slow, I'm going to crash into you.

[Jessica]

No, I used to, like when I was earlier in my driving, like, always going to the right lane. Like, always going to be driving, like, slow. Like, I'm in no rush, but now I'm, like, comfortable. So I just like, you know, I

[Ben]

move in groove, and you got places to fucking be. Like, I don't understand, like, I don't understand people who are just like, oh, yeah, I don't care how long it takes me. Do you not have a job? Do you not have a life? Do you not have anybody waiting for you?

[Jessica]

No, but I just. I always try and, like, leave myself enough time, you know, that's the other thing.

[Ben]

Yeah, but then you get more time.

[Jessica]

No, but you shouldn't always be in a rush. I also can't live like that. Like, always being in a rush.

[Ben]

So you're not in a rush, but you can gain time back.

[Jessica]

Yeah, I'm all about gaining time.

[Ben]

So you leave early. Okay. You left yourself an hour and a half to get to Disney on Ice, even though you only needed 40 minutes. Right. You could have gotten there in 30 and then you have 10 extra minutes. Just enjoy your life. I'm so sick of driving. I don't want to drive anymore. I want to get there.

[Jessica]

Well, I just started driving, so, like, I'm okay. And I also, the Tesla's not good for, like, long range driving. Like, Orlando. You have to charge along the way. But for, like, daily driving in the suburbs, it's, like, amazing. For daily driving where you, like, just charge every night. You don't even have to charge every night. It's great for that.

[Ben]

It's wonderful for daily driving.

[Jessica]

Yeah, but I'm glad you agree. Like, it's easy to really go fast.

[Ben]

Like, oh, it's a go kart.

[Jessica]

But, like, when I drive other cars, I'm very aware of my speed.

[Ben]

Not a go kart, a golf cart.

[Jessica]

Same thing. But, yeah, it is a golf cart because it's electric.

[Ben]

So easy.

[Jessica]

Yeah, but golf carts pretty much have, like a 25 mph cap.

[Ben]

Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Okay, I go back to go cart.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Go kart.

[Jessica]

Yeah. So I guess we'll get the harder the harsh arse ripping from Claudia tomorrow. But today, I don't know, Justin Timber. Like, I actually think the video, like, sort of just makes the whole thing seem like, not as big of a deal. I thought it was gonna be like, this crazy video. And he's so drunk, he's just like, I. I guess we don't even know how drunk he is. I do sort of wish he took the breathalyzer test because maybe he wasn't that drunk. But I feel like maybe he declined it because he was that drunk.

[Ben]

He needs a better publicist. If they didn't want that video released, nobody. That video made everything so much better for me. Like, if I'm his publicist, I'm ecstatic to release that video. I love the race that he put himself.

[Jessica]

That's funny.

[Ben]

The whole thing. It's just like, you're relatable, you're personable. I feel bad for you. That's a publicist's dream. Versus saying, I don't wanna release the video. We're suing to not have it. I thought he was gonna do something crazy.

[Jessica]

I thought he was running naked.

[Ben]

Berate the cops.

[Jessica]

I thought he was running naked in the street and they didn't want it out there. Like his naked body.

[Ben]

Exactly. Crazy.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

I'm a publicist.

[Jessica]

While screaming, Justin Timberlake, bye, bye, bye. Like, yeah.

[Ben]

No, no, no. Do you hear that?

[Jessica]

Are you hungry?

[Ben]

My stomach.

[Jessica]

I have a go. Macro bar.

[Ben]

Yes, I am hungry, but I'm trying not to eat so early. I'm up £8 since. In seven days.

[Jessica]

What?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

What'd you do wrong?

[Ben]

I'm switching from Zepbound back to Ozempic.

[Jessica]

You and Claudia I didn't love.

[Ben]

No, there was.

[Jessica]

In your GLP wars, by the way.

[Ben]

There were some real mental side effects with Zepbound. I didn't like the way that it made me feel.

[Jessica]

How was it making you feel?

[Ben]

Like, sad. Isn't that weird?

[Jessica]

Oh, my God. That's sad. Because you're not.

[Ben]

I know. And I went off and I'm like, oh, my God, I feel so much better. And now I'm back and lovely.

[Jessica]

It's really sad to be sad.

[Ben]

I know. So, like, I'm waiting on my fucking Ozempic. If these. If these people would ever send it to me. I was about to call them whores. I guess I call them whores. If these people would ever send me angry, I go back on it.

[Jessica]

Withdrawal, rage.

[Ben]

Well, my stomach. You heard that, right? Yeah. My stomach's like, I'm me hungry.

[Jessica]

Would you rather be.

[Ben]

Feed me, fat boy.

[Jessica]

Feed me. So, like, Harry, when he's hungry, he's like, Mr. Tummy is very hungry.

[Ben]

I'm with Harry.

[Jessica]

Would you rather. It begs the question, would you rather be fat and happy or skinny and sad?

[Ben]

I'd rather be skinny and happy.

[Jessica]

Not.

[Ben]

No, that's an option with Ozempic, but.

[Jessica]

Okay. But I asked you a question.

[Ben]

I would 100% rather be fat and happy.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Ben]

If you don't have your brain, you're fucked.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Seriously?

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

If you don't have your positive outlook on light, walk outside, see the sun shining, and know it's gonna be a great day, bless God, bless my family, then I don't want any of it.

[Jessica]

No, that's the right answer. I was hoping that that's what you would say.

[Ben]

Yeah. No, you can't. Like, skinny and unhappy wants that.

[Jessica]

So you're going back on Ozempic, back on the big O while we wait for the whores to send it to you. You've gained eight pounds.

[Ben]

Yeah, I'm doing my best like, yesterday I had to really restrain myself from eating the nachos at Disney on Ice. I was like, no nachos for me. And maybe I had a bad day. No. But like, I got. I got home, my day's done eating. I go into the fridge, I eat a pint of Halo top. I know it's only 400 calories, but, like, how did I do that? I don't need this to turn into overeater. Synonymous. What's our next story?

[Jessica]

Our next story is only the second story. Bad Ben. Bad. Mr. Dummy is very.

[Ben]

It's a good invention. You reach into the fridge and there's like an automatic hand that just hits you. Bad.

[Jessica]

Oh, my gosh. Okay, our next story. An update in literally the biggest news that's ever happened. Taylor, Frankie, Paulo.

[Ben]

Sick fucking name. Anybody talk about that?

[Jessica]

It is pretty iconic. And the fact that we all take the time to say all three names. It's not. We have an abbreviated. She's not even Taylor. She's not Taylor Paul. She's Taylor, Frankie, Paul. It's pretty iconic. But the Bachelorette, I mean, there's just so much news since this weekend. Where do I begin? The premiere was replaced with American Idol rerun. It was supposed to premiere last night. Instead, American Idol ran a rerun. She has temporarily lost custody of her two year old. Ever. Amid the ongoing domestic assault investigation. She had responded to a fan advising her to stay off social media. The men of her season are being considered for Bachelor in Paradise. Where do you want to start?

[Ben]

Why aren't they releasing this episode? Or why aren't they releasing the season?

[Jessica]

Because of the video.

[Ben]

Yeah, like why? But like, why can't I see? Why can't I see the season?

[Jessica]

Oh, because they don't want to platform.

[Ben]

They already did.

[Jessica]

They.

[Ben]

They knew it.

[Jessica]

Okay, but actually, this is interesting.

[Ben]

They knew. Everybody knew that that video existed. Everybody knew that there was domestic violence

[Jessica]

and everybody knew that she threw barstools. Because now if you watch the first season, like in the first early episodes, the girls are talking about, they're like, Taylor's liability for mom talk. Like, brands might not want to work with them. They think we're all throwing bar stools. So, like, they all knew what had happened. I think anyone closer was not a secret. It's it. In the police investigation she has now, two clips have resurfaced of her talking about it on podcasts. Like, sharing the story. She was on two different podcasts where she tells the story of what happened. Yeah, it's what we see in the video. Of course, seeing it in a video is much more upsetting than just hearing her recount it.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Like hearing the crying and the daughter, and it's really unforgivable. But. But couple things. So this video came out. They pulled the season because they're not going to be, like, associated with a person like this. Even though they cast her knowing full

[Ben]

well like that, knowing that they were associating themselves with a person like this. That went completely against everything that the franchise should stand for.

[Jessica]

Right.

[Ben]

You are literally platforming a woman with a history of ex. She's currently with an ex in a toxic relationship. Multiple children, multiple guys. Like, how. How are you the Bachelorette?

[Jessica]

Yeah. Well, no, but then she was. And like, everyone was really here. Most people were really here for it. Like, you know that it's a turn, like a new leaf and it'll be very exciting. And she's single.

[Ben]

And they were just excited that Hulu's owned by ABC and that they could promote it in the show.

[Jessica]

Yeah, no, we were like, I was excited about it.

[Ben]

Yeah. Cause it's so. Cause we're watching Mormon Wives and they're juicing us up. Yeah, they're, like, showing us it was the greatest cross promo ever. Like, they're. They're getting really good at this. They did the same thing with Traitors where we had the Olympics, which are shown on NBC, and we have these two figure skaters that are on Traders and they're cross promoting each other. Yeah, I want to watch the Olympics because I want to watch these people. You're watching the Olympics. You're going to watch Traders. It's the same thing with Mormon Wives.

[Jessica]

So what it seems like, though, is last week pausing was film. Filming was paused for Secret Lives of Mormon Wives because of, like, domestic situations between Taylor and Dakota.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And all of the women refused to film with her and film, period. Apparently, early in March, they had a call with Hulu, like, flagging that there's, like, really bad behavior going on between Taylor and Dakota, and it's like a liability and they don't want to be. They don't want to be a part of it, and they don't want to film. So they all decided to take a break from filming.

[Ben]

When was this?

[Jessica]

Last week. Last week was the break, and then two, three weeks ago was that call. It was like a zoom call. Some of the information of it from. From the call has come out and, like, pretty much the head of Hulu was like, we don't care. Like, they were like, they're like, we don't want to know. And, like, there were insinuations that it was about, like, domestic abuse and the child. So they paused filming. And then a couple days later, this video comes out, this old video. However, I'm starting to believe that more stuff is going to come out, and that's why they pulled the season. More recent stuff is going to come out of things that have been going on in the last few months. One of the husbands, like, his dms, he was responding to a fan of, like, why aren't you supporting Taylor? Your wives wouldn't have careers if it wasn't for her. Like, everyone supported. To me, like, not everyone, but, you know, why aren't you supporting her? And he was pretty much like, we just found out a bunch of stuff. This was Jace who said this, which I have to talk about that, too. Do you know what happened?

[Ben]

He got astray from you.

[Jessica]

I got astray. I'm like, in this battle that I don't want to be in, but, I

[Ben]

mean, you started it.

[Jessica]

Like, I'm just, like, responding to this

[Ben]

guy's just, like, in the corner doing nothing. And you just, like, wielded your bow and arrow and just shot him right in the head.

[Jessica]

He's in my crosshairs.

[Ben]

He's just, like, so sad.

[Jessica]

No, he's not. Okay, wait. So he responded to this fam being like, we just found out so much more. It's unforgivable. Like, there's more. Like, basically that there's more stuff. Child abuse allegations, domestic. Domestic violence. And now they're at a point of no return. So it's not just about the 2023 video. And I don't think that's why, even though how could ABC have seriously aired that season yesterday when that video just came out? And, like, that video is the most upsetting thing that most people have ever seen on the Internet.

[Ben]

It's terrible. But even watching Mormon Wives, I was thinking to myself when they're about to go to the Bachelorette, and she just, like, doesn't give a fuck, like, where her kids are. She's just, like, alone in her room as her mom and children leave, get on a plane without her. Like, the whole thing is just so weird. And you're just watching this, like, what kind of mother are you?

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And like, how are you putting? You're putting. I don't know what you're putting first. Is it the show? Is it? That's also. I mean, in general, one of the problems that I have with this show is just the Amount of putting the show before it seems like putting the show before your family. Yeah, but that's besides the point. She just, like, is an obs. She's always been like a loose cannon. And so Disney hired or ABC hired a loose cannon to be the Bachelorette because they need views, they need ratings, they needed a spike. They knew exactly what they were.

[Jessica]

Yeah, they were gonna choose this, like, crazy toxic person, hopefully redeem her, give her, like, a beautiful fairy tale ending, which I think could have been possible, but after the season of Mormon Lives that we just watched, she literally slept with him before leaving for the Bachelorette. You don't go on the Bachelorette to heal and get over someone. You go when you are healed and over someone and ready for the next thing. So, like, even if this video hadn't come out this week, it was gonna be really hard to swallow this season of the Bachelorette. Like, knowing that she's literally on the phone with Dakota as she gets out of the limo to start the season. Like, that's not what the Bachelorette is really about. Like, there is still sort of like this mystique that it's a person looking for a real long lasting relationship with someone who was ready for that. So before the video, the season was kind of doomed, but they were gonna get the ratings that they wanted in the ad dollars and all of that. Sure. That's really all that mattered to them. But now they have none of that. There are millions in the hole that the tens of millions that they spent on the season. Cast members from her show are, like, talking about suing abc, you know, these desperate guys who, like, thought they were about to have their big shot.

[Ben]

Oh, yeah. Also that, like, you're suing because you couldn't find love.

[Jessica]

No, they're suing.

[Ben]

No, I know.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Like, that's not the point of the show. Or at least pretend. Like, at least let us think that that's the point of the show. Otherwise, change the narrative of the show. Yeah, the show is not supposed to be a too hot to handle or the show is not supposed to be a love Island. It's supposed to be there's an eligible bachelor or Bachelorette and we're trying to help them find their suitor. But, like, if the goal is just like, the guys to get Instagram followers and the show to get ratings because they put, like, a crazy person on it, like, just change. Just change the show.

[Jessica]

Well, I think that those are two goals. And then another goal is to have find a relationship that's lasting because I Think the more time that goes on, the more failed bachelor relationships that come out of it, the more it chips away at, like, the concept of the show. But, like, anytime there is a successful relationship, I think that gives them, like, years more of leg. Like, this really works.

[Ben]

Sure.

[Jessica]

And I think there's been a couple recent. Like, Joey is still with his winner. Who else?

[Ben]

Who's Joey?

[Jessica]

I. I didn't watch his season, but he's one of, like, the more recent people. I don't know who else is still with their winner from, like, recent memory.

[Ben]

Sure.

[Jessica]

Then of course we know the OGs.

[Ben]

The OGs. The OGs.

[Jessica]

The tried and trues.

[Ben]

Yeah. When the show should have stopped. It's like Shaquille o'. Neal. I love bringing this up. It's like Shaquille o' Neal on the Phoenix Suns. Did you know he played for the Phoenix Suns?

[Jessica]

No.

[Ben]

Did you know he played for the Boston Celtics?

[Jessica]

No.

[Ben]

You know Shaquille o' Neal on the Lakers and on the Heat. That's it.

[Jessica]

Sure.

[Ben]

And you're supposed to stop playing eventually.

[Jessica]

Oh, you're in your prime.

[Ben]

You're in your prime.

[Jessica]

No one's killing it.

[Ben]

You're killing it.

[Jessica]

They can't. First of all, players, like, can't go out in their prime. I don't know why. Like Tom Brady.

[Ben]

Sure.

[Jessica]

But I do feel like for television shows, it's like, why would we go out in our prime? Even if next season we make less money, we still made money. Like, let's keep going until there's no more money to be made or we

[Ben]

can make a new, better show and give it legs.

[Jessica]

Yeah. No, I think the premise is still decent. I think they were onto something with the idea of casting Taylor, Frankie Paul, but it was a. A miss because she's not ready and she's not now appropriate to be. And I guess then she wasn't either because all this information was out there. And we did all know that there was like a domestic violence incident, but, like, we didn't know the details, so it was easier to sort of brush it to the side. But now that we know the details, we cannot. Yeah, we cannot. We can't watch it. We can't. They can't air it. We cannot. We. Like, it's over.

[Ben]

Do we think he is.

[Jessica]

And given the idea that, like, there's more going on right now and that she saw, like. And it has to do with ever, because when the pause happened last week, the rumors were that there was, like, child abuse involving ever the two year old. But the video that we saw was not him. That was her other. That was a different child of hers. So, like, there still could be more current allegations of child abuse. It's awful. It's really, really awful. And if that's true, I mean, she

[Ben]

looked very up in that video, so.

[Jessica]

Oh, yes, she was.

[Ben]

She, like. So she just, like, I won't insinuate, but that's. That's terrible.

[Jessica]

Yeah, that's terrible.

[Ben]

He is always just, like, portrayed as, like, a cheating scumbag, but, like, he's also complicit, clearly, with the way that she treats her children. Right. If he's in the same room as her while she's doing things like that. Or was that. Or is he, like. I'm trying to figure out, is he just, like, a bad guy that cheats?

[Jessica]

You know what? It's not.

[Ben]

And thinks it's, like, funny. He wears a red flag hat. He's just, like, a douche. Or is he, like, a. Like, a bad, bad guy?

[Jessica]

So it's really hard to know because, like, my assumption is that he's, like, a really bad guy who's, like, drove. Driven this woman really crazy. And, like, you know, they're both abusive. But the point has been made that, like, we've not seen, like, actual abusive behavior from him. Like, for what he says on the show, it's like we can sort of read between the lines, and I feel like that's what we're doing. But, like, what if we're just totally off? Like, on the show, he says, I want Taylor all. He was, like, cheating.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And he definitely has, like, a history of substance abuse, so who knows what was happening before he was clean.

[Ben]

Sure.

[Jessica]

But, like, he's just a lying cheater.

[Ben]

He's just a lying cheater.

[Jessica]

Is it more than bad?

[Ben]

That's not being complicit with child.

[Jessica]

We've heard the girl say that he sabotages every big moment for her, every premiere for her.

[Ben]

So then did he leak this video?

[Jessica]

So that's also conflicting. I assume that he leaked it to tmz, or at least, like, Flag, that it exists, and then they filed, like, in the Freedom of Information act because it's in the file of their court documents. So that's public information, like, for them to have gotten the video. But then I've also seen that that case is sealed because it has to deal with a minor. So they couldn't have gotten that video from the court, and that someone had to give it to them. So I've literally seen everyone argue everything different Everyone has a different legal opinion on the matter, so I don't know what's right.

[Ben]

Fascinating. Fascinating.

[Jessica]

I would love to know how they got that video, even if they did petition for it. Who, if anyone told them that it's there.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Were reminded them because anyone would, like, if you really dug deep into the police report, like, you would know that there was a video. But why did they have the idea to do that now?

[Ben]

Interesting.

[Jessica]

I don't know. But I do need to address my beef with the Matthews family because it's like gaining traction. As you know, Jace was my weenie of the week because I felt like, I feel like he's like really like critical of his wife at a very sensitive time in her life. So I made my weenie of the week because they literally got separated. She has a two month old and three other children and she's going to live on her own. Like, what?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And then we posted the clip of the weenie of the week and Michaela commented. I hate this. Now I just want to say I stand by what I said. Like, I, I did not enjoy watching that. And I think he's way like too impatient. Like, I don't know their marriage, but just from what I'm seeing, like the two, the woman moving out of the house with the two month old, like, I'm, I'm. I don't like that. However, I don't know how this like, slipped my mind. We should not have clipped that for winning of the week because, like, if you don't know this show and you don't know, like, what we need of the week is we're just like having fun and we're recapping shows and it's like really not that deep. Like if you. But if you just saw that clip, like, you. It just comes off like just so much harsher than it does on this show. And like, I forgot that I don't like to do that. If you listen to the whole hour plus long episode and you listen to our recaps all week, like, it lands so much softer for him to be my beginning of the week. It's just like sort of a running joke considering he's obviously not the villain in the show. There are so many worse people for

[Ben]

me to be funny.

[Jessica]

The weenie in the corner, who I don't think is being supportive enough of his wife, like, it's just funny. But when you clip it, like just for social media, and that's my bad, it seems really harsh. So I can apologize for that though. I stand by what I said, like, what is your wife doing moving out of the house with the two month old?

[Ben]

Yeah, I've been We need the week, like 100 times.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

I don't even know what I ever did for it. Like, we need the week is like a fun, soft thing.

[Jessica]

It is. But if you don't follow the show and you think we're just like crowning people weaning, like, you don't realize that it's like, really not that serious. And I think taken out of context, it comes off a lot harsher. And usually we don't clip it. So I don't know, we were just laughing so hard, really. Clip. But I didn't realize, like, what that would look like to someone who's not a toaster.

[Ben]

Yeah, well, whatever.

[Jessica]

Yeah, but it's just, like, funny that it's main news. I was on my just my own Instagram.

[Ben]

No, it's funny. I saw. It's a huge clip. That's why, like, you're saying, like, we shouldn't have clipped it. Like, you kind of should have. No, like, like the clip crushed. I was funny.

[Jessica]

I was just scrolling my Instagram, imagine this. And I see, like, from a reality TV recap account, I saw the same post, like, a screenshot of our clip with Michaela's comment on it. I didn't know that she had commented on our post. And I was like, is that me? I was in shock. I literally sent it to my group chat. I'm like, this is my worst nightmare. This is my worst nightmare. Like, it could stop me from doing the job. Like, I hate when I talk about anyone good or bad. Obviously bad is worse and they see it.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

What. What are you doing here?

[Ben]

I know.

[Jessica]

What are you doing here? I know, but it's my fault for putting that out into the Instagram.

[Ben]

You also know that, like, the Mormon wives are, like, they're flooded with toasters. So, like, whatever you say about them, it's probably gonna make it to them.

[Jessica]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I really wasn't thinking that many steps ahead. And that's on me.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Sorry to the Matthews about that. Are you ready for our next story?

[Ben]

We are.

[Jessica]

Some more drama.

[Ben]

Yeah. What do we got?

[Jessica]

Chapel Roan.

[Ben]

She bores me. We can talk about it, though.

[Jessica]

We have to talk about it again. Another one? I wish. Not that I'm.

[Ben]

Are we gonna. Are we gonna talk about JFK Jr. No, it's the worst show.

[Jessica]

I don't watch it because it's not good.

[Ben]

What? It was Good.

[Jessica]

I like it got bad. Okay. I don't really. Yeah, it's not. I don't miss it. I got like out of Hulu and then went back and I just like, don't miss it.

[Ben]

It was a great show that literally, like, I think the writers, like, just left. I scrolled on my phone for 20 minutes. I came back. We're in the same scene. They're still.

[Jessica]

Oh, wow.

[Ben]

Okay. We don't have to talk about it, but like, if you watch that show, it's absolute dreck. And Chapel Roan is disgusting human.

[Jessica]

Yeah. So Chapel Ron is speaking out following an alleged incident with a soccer player's young daughter. This story is very layered. So Jorginho is a soccer player who was in. Where was this? In Sao Paulo. They were in a hotel in Sao Paulo where Chap is performing. And Jorginho is a very big soccer player and he was with his wife who has shares a child with Jude Law. Coincidentally, his wife's name's Catherine Harding and the Daughter is an 11 year old named Ada Law. They were at the hotel breakfast where they saw Chapel Roan walk by. And so the daughter, who's a big fan of Chapel, went to Chapel's table, just walked past to like, confirm it was her, and then went back to her table, like, oh, my God. Freaking out. You know how that is.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Jessica]

Then a security guard comes over to Jorginho's table and like, berates the young daughter for, quote, harassing Chapel like that. That's not what you should do. But mind you, the girl did not ask for a photo, did not say anything. Just, like, walked past, saw her favorite singer and like, went back to her table. Giddy Jorginho posted to social media, like, lacing into her, into Chapel for treating her fans this way. Because the girl did nothing wrong. She's an 11 year old. She was excited. Like, why send security on her to scare her. She was crying and it was just a mess. Everyone has since come down on Chapel for, you know, being so nasty to her fans and the children. And you should, like, these are the people who support you. Chapel made a video from her bed, rolling around, laughing, saying that that was not her security guard who did that. She had no idea that this happened. She didn't like, send anyone to say anything to the girl. She didn't. The girl didn't ask for anything from her. She didn't even notice the girl. And that was not her security guard who did that. And now what?

[Ben]

I mean, I've hated Chapel Roan for quite Some time.

[Jessica]

Yeah, me as well.

[Ben]

Because Pink Pony Club was a fucking banger. I love that song. Okay. Like, I was dancing to it. I was like, pink Pony Club. I'm gonna keep on dancing at the Pink Pony Club. I was in on the Pink Pony Club. And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, she became just like crazy pro pally. And I just like, I was just like, what are you. Where. What is this? What is happening here? Like, like, like how. And ever since then, I've just like, not. Not been a fan of hers. I'll still hear it. It's like my same plight with Kanye. Like, Kanye's on in the club. I'm like, oh, man, this is a bop.

[Jessica]

Yeah. But no, it's different because, like, Kanye has so many years of songs that are like memories in your life. Like decades worth of songs. Like, at the same time that songs of hers became popular was the same time I didn't like her. I've never really had moment with her.

[Ben]

Got it.

[Jessica]

Where I was able to listen to her music without any.

[Ben]

I understand. I understand that. I understand that I had maybe like a month with Pink Pony Club. That was awesome. And whatever. If you're not nice to your fans and multiple people are talking about it, which means that she's not nice to her fans, then you don't deserve to be famous. It's not. It's not always the most pleasant encounter. Like, Josh and I joke about this on Good Guys all the time that, like, it especially happens to me. Like, somebody will approach me and say, oh my God, my wife's such a huge fan of your wife. I don't know who you are, but, like, such a huge fan. Do you mind saying hi on behalf of your wife? Or like, they're always not pleasant encounters is what I'm trying to say. It doesn't mean that you're rude. Like, you're. The only reason that you have. The job that you have is because of the people that support you.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Including that 11 year old girl. Like, you are like a Gen Z phenom, which is even more of a problematic issue with her politics. Whatever. But.

[Jessica]

But whatever.

[Ben]

But whatever.

[Jessica]

Back to the matter at hand. Like, if you've been following Chapel, this is not surprising. Like, she yells at every. Well, the thing is, like, I feel like she has no plausible deniability here because, like, we just were reporting on her yelling at the fans and the photographers in Paris. She's Every red carpet she goes on, she's yelling at everyone for taking her picture. Even though she stepped on to a red carpet to get her picture taken. Like, she's just angry towards anyone who, like, wants to engage with her in, like, a fan sort of way. So, like, when we heard the story, no one was like, chapel would never do that. We were like, oh, my gosh, Chapel. So I don't know if I believe her, but I don't know her well enough to know if, like, she seems like a crazy person. Is she a liar? I don't know. Is that. Whose security is that, if not hers? What is it, Breakfast security? Like, who's going up to her?

[Ben]

But it doesn't matter. Like, there's enough people coming out saying that you're mean to your fans.

[Jessica]

Right.

[Ben]

So if it wasn't this exact incident,

[Jessica]

or it's like, maybe she didn't send security on the little girl, but, like, she knows, like, her security knows that, like, she doesn't want people around her coming up to her. So, like, maybe they acted on Chapel's wishes without her having to, like, send it on from up high on this one.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

You know what I mean? I do, but, like, I don't believe the idea that that wasn't Chapel security. Who is it?

[Ben]

Yeah. This idea in general that, like, of course celebrities deserve boundaries. I know you're not watching JFK Jr. Which, again, like, you should watch it. Like, it was a good show. It's gone. But now it's all, like, we just got to this episode where Princess Diana had died. Paparazzi was a main reason that she died. Caroline Bissette is having a huge problem with the paparazzi. And I'm watching that, and I'm thinking, you know, like, it would be really nice if celebrities sort of had some space sometimes to just be regular human beings. I have a paparazzi problem. I don't like them. Nothing that she's complaining about has anything to do with an invasion of privacy. It's the opposite. You're putting yourself out there.

[Jessica]

You're going to restaurant in people. Paris. You're going to Paris Fashion Week. You're going to the.

[Ben]

And you're upset that your fans are there.

[Jessica]

Yeah. And the photographers are there. Yeah, I know. Red carpeting. You don't like the way that they're, like, shouting at you.

[Ben]

She's acting like she's in her home, and they are, like, coming to her door and berating her.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

She's going to them. I don't feel sorry for you when you go to them.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

If you don't want to be in the public Eye Stay home.

[Jessica]

Yeah. Or.

[Ben]

Or like. Or don't go to Paris Fashion Week.

[Jessica]

Yeah. So this was not a good one for her. And she doesn't really have a great track record where we could like, believe. Give her the benefit of the doubt here that she had nothing to do with this. Because like, what?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And if. If she did have nothing to do with this, who was this person?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

I don't know.

[Ben]

The Pink Pony Club.

[Jessica]

Pink Pony Club, that's your one.

[Ben]

It was a really good song.

[Jessica]

I think there was one. Whenever I hear one, then I'm like, oh, that's good. But then I hear it's chapel. I'm like, oh, I guess. Never mind. But there's one that I won't once heard. It was like Super Phenomenomenon. I thought that one sounded good.

[Ben]

I don't know. I don't know it.

[Jessica]

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[Jessica]

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[Jessica]

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[Jessica]

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[Ben]

I saw this.

[Jessica]

Oh, you did?

[Ben]

I love it.

[Jessica]

Yeah, just. It's gonna be great.

[Ben]

I love a roast.

[Jessica]

Yeah. What do you think about a live roast?

[Ben]

I think that.

[Jessica]

I think they've always been live.

[Ben]

I was gonna say I thought that the roasts were live.

[Jessica]

Well, no. Didn't you go to one with Claudia?

[Ben]

Oh, they weren't live.

[Jessica]

They weren't live.

[Ben]

They weren't live. No. Yeah. We went to the Roast of Rabloh, and it was, like, months before.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And it was horrible. Oh, my God. Being there was so boring.

[Jessica]

And no. When you went to the red carpet, the red carpet was buzzy, and then, like, the roast didn't come out for a while longer. So then you had, like, it was bifurcated the buzz.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Jessica]

And I don't think that's a great idea. But when the original Comedy Central roasts would happen, were those live?

[Ben]

I feel like. I feel like. Like, I thought they were, but I don't know. Is this a Netflix thing?

[Jessica]

This one is Netflix, so I feel like Netflix took on the roast. They were not live. They're loving live things, but now they're live. I think live. Comedy Central roast. Were not live.

[Ben]

Okay. Not live. Okay. Well, I'm excited.

[Jessica]

A live roast is very exciting.

[Ben]

I'm excited for a live roast. And if it's anything like, watching that man climb Kilimanjaro or whatever. He climbed, like, where I'm just like, oh, my God, I can't believe this is live. Is he gonna die? It's the same thing.

[Jessica]

Anything can happen.

[Ben]

I can't believe this is live. What the fuck are they gonna say?

[Jessica]

They can'.

[Ben]

Is he gonna die?

[Jessica]

I think this.

[Ben]

And I love Shane Gillis. He's so funny.

[Jessica]

He's so funny.

[Ben]

And Kevin Hart is so funny.

[Jessica]

He is.

[Ben]

And Kevin Hart, like, he, like. Him and the Rock have just, like, had this, like, public, hilarious, like, roasting of each other. Like, the Rock will be there. It'll be really fun. They're all gonna make fun of his height. It'll be great. Like, I'm excited for it.

[Jessica]

The lineup of comedians who will roast him have not been announced, but I think it's safe to assume the Rock would be there for sure. I think there are some, like, classic roast people. I think now Nikki Glaser is a classic roast person.

[Ben]

She is. She's amazing. Nikki Glase. Jeff Ross.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Roastmaster. Is he still Roastmaster?

[Jessica]

Well, it sounds like Shane Gillis is the roast.

[Ben]

Oh, yeah. Shane Gillis is the roast master.

[Jessica]

So I also wonder who will join. That will be more surprising. Like, remember when Martha Stewart did Justin

[Ben]

Bieber and, like, a Snoop Dogg? Like, I love when they, like, throw random people in. That's what makes them so funny.

[Jessica]

So I feel like we'll get some, like, good randoms or, like, Kim Kardashian doing Tom Brady.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

That didn't Work out. Of course.

[Ben]

Funny though.

[Jessica]

But good idea. Good idea, you know.

[Ben]

Good idea. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited for this. When does it come out?

[Jessica]

This will be on May 10th. Where it's going to be live from the Kia Forum in la. Damn. On a Sunday night.

[Ben]

Would have loved to have gone on May 10th.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

No, I'm just not going to LA.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

If it was, if it was New York.

[Jessica]

Even though you love la.

[Ben]

If it. I do love la. I don't, I don't want to go there though. If I'm there, I'm happy as a clam.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

If I'm transported there, the idea of going. The idea of.

[Jessica]

That's how I feel too.

[Ben]

It's nice there.

[Jessica]

I love it there.

[Ben]

It's really nice.

[Jessica]

I think it's really great.

[Ben]

I just don't want to go there.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

But if I'm there, would you ever

[Jessica]

want to live there? Could you ever live there?

[Ben]

I could live part time anywhere, I think.

[Jessica]

Oh, you're a part time.

[Ben]

I feel very tethered to New York.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Very tethered.

[Jessica]

So it just made you realize, like you love New York but you, you enjoy other places.

[Ben]

Yeah. I could go to LA for three months.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Could I go to LA for the rest of my life? No.

[Jessica]

No.

[Ben]

Nor do I want to.

[Jessica]

No.

[Ben]

Simply because I love New York, not because there's anything wrong with la. LA is, is lovely and fun and cool. Most of the United States is fun, lovely and cool. When you really go like people. I think I've spoken about this, maybe not with you, but I went to Birmingham, Alabama probably like two years ago for Spritz. I was there for three days. This place fucking rocks.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And then I went to the beach. You know that Alabama had beaches like literally the Gulf of Alabama. There's like that floribama bar, which is the Florida Alabama.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

The beaches in Alabama are gorgeous.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

I bring this up to say that the great United States is filled with many a great place to live.

[Jessica]

It really, it is. And they're all very different looking, you know, they talk a lot.

[Ben]

It's all about your preference. I'm a big weather guy. That's my only gripe with New York, that the weather is just a little bit too inconsistent. I'm loving, I mean, warm weather in Florida, warm weather in California.

[Jessica]

That's so funny. I like New York weather.

[Ben]

Interesting. Okay. You prefer cold?

[Jessica]

I prefer the variety. Variety? Yeah.

[Ben]

I think variety's overrated.

[Jessica]

The endless sunshine, you know, I. I'm

[Ben]

starting to like, imagine your Ancestors hearing you complain about endless sunshine.

[Jessica]

No, I didn't complain. It's just a reference. And now I now that I'm starting to, like, just enjoy the endless sunshine. It's like, maybe, what if it is just sunny all the time.

[Ben]

Sunny all the time. And then you get to go to snow when you want to.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

It doesn't have to inconvenience you. You get to go to, like. I can't wait. Like, New York Spring is the best.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

New York fall.

[Jessica]

Allergies. Are you nervous about your allergies? I feel like I have been having a sneeze. I'm not sure if it's, like, the sickness that's going on or, like, my allergies. Starting last year, I went.

[Ben]

You take Flonase?

[Jessica]

I take Zyrtec.

[Ben]

Yeah. I would highly recommend not taking Zyrtec.

[Jessica]

Oh, right. It's like, bad information, but I don't take it that much.

[Ben]

And also, remember you were commenting on brain fog. How you, like, are looking for, like, brain, mouth, whatever, as a part of an ad. What causes brain fog? Documented Zyrtec. It's like a lower dose of Benadryl. And when you take it, it's non drowsy. But the drowsy piece, the little bit of drowsy affects your brain. It gave me horrible brain fog.

[Jessica]

Also, Flonase.

[Ben]

It's literally. You put it up your nose, but

[Jessica]

you shouldn't take a couple of sprays. What are those? Antihistamines when you're breastfeeding because it, like, will dry up your supply.

[Ben]

Makes sense.

[Jessica]

So I probably wasn't going to take any histamines this season of allergies. I was just gonna, like, suffer if

[Ben]

Flonase doesn't sponsor me after the amount of times that I've said Flonase.

[Jessica]

But you still haven't convinced me, so.

[Ben]

But you should. It will.

[Jessica]

It's not antihistamine.

[Ben]

It's not an antihistamine. It goes up your nose. It's a quick spray, and it just makes everything in these sinuses just feel a lot better.

[Jessica]

I'll think about it.

[Ben]

Yeah, Flonase is good. And then I also put in eye drops.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Ben]

Because I get itchy eye.

[Jessica]

Yeah, me too.

[Ben]

Okay. All right, I got a regimen for you. My God. We're gonna bring you into my homeopathic shop.

[Jessica]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[Ben]

I am. Well, what is it?

[Jessica]

Well, you're not gonna care. Maya Hawke will be starring.

[Ben]

Who?

[Jessica]

Ethan Hawke's daughter.

[Ben]

No, I don't know who either of them are.

[Jessica]

She's from Stranger Things and she's in everything now.

[Ben]

What does she look like? I know Stranger Things.

[Jessica]

She's not really distinct looking. No, I don't. That doesn't, like, change. What? Yeah.

[Ben]

Nope.

[Jessica]

But she will be starring in God of the woods, which was one of the biggest books of last year. We read it for the redheads. Yeah. It's just like the redheads always being on the cusp of culture. And she will be starring in the adaptation for Netflix. And God of the woods was one of our best books of that year. We all loved it, and it's a really great book. And even though I'm not like, a huge Mayahawk swirly, I think she'll be great in this. Like, I think it's a good choice, and I'm excited for the book to become a movie. It's also, like, Taylor was, like, reading it in one of her videos that she posted. So it's just, like, a very buzzy book. It's the next big thing, so you'll be seeing a lot of it. The God of the Woods.

[Ben]

Not to brag, but, you know, my book is also becoming a movie, which is.

[Jessica]

Oh, I was.

[Ben]

Marvelous creatures.

[Jessica]

Where are we going? Oh, who's in it?

[Ben]

I don't know.

[Jessica]

You want to. Do you want to find out?

[Ben]

Sure. What It's. What is it?

[Jessica]

Remarkably.

[Ben]

Remarkably great creatures. Great creatures. Right. Why can't I remember the name of this fucking book? Remarkably Bright creatures.

[Jessica]

Okay, so Tova.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Jessica]

Will be played by Sally Field.

[Ben]

Ooh, good cast.

[Jessica]

Cameron.

[Ben]

Who?

[Jessica]

Lewis Pullman. Do you know who that is?

[Ben]

Yes, I do.

[Jessica]

Did you watch Lessons in Chemistry with Claudia?

[Ben]

Yes, I did.

[Jessica]

He's great. And he's dating Kylie Earbud.

[Ben]

He just had me at Sally Field. My God, Where's Robin Williams when you need him? He'd be so good in this as the Octopus.

[Jessica]

So no one else is someone that I recognize. But. But here are some things.

[Ben]

I mean. I mean, Sally's.

[Jessica]

Sally can carry it through for you. You know Sally's my birthday buddy, right?

[Ben]

No, I didn't know that.

[Jessica]

Yeah, she's my birthday buddy. Yeah. So I know a lot about her. The Flying Nun. Yeah.

[Ben]

Oh, Elf. I feel like Claudia Alfred Molina. I know. He was Octa man or whatever in Spider Man. The. Wow. He does a lot of stuff with Octa. With eights.

[Jessica]

Oh, maybe he's like you.

[Ben]

He's a big eight guy. Laura Harris. I don't know these people, but Sally Field, Such a great casting.

[Jessica]

You think she'll be a great Tova.

[Ben]

I think she'll be a great Tova. Ooh, I'm excited.

[Jessica]

So it's set to come out in 2026. That's this year. Yeah.

[Ben]

I gotta finish the book before the movie comes out.

[Jessica]

You do. But you wanna know something? Once you start reading, I'm not gonna

[Ben]

like it as much, right? That's what I hear.

[Jessica]

You're gonna hate the movie.

[Ben]

That's what I hear.

[Jessica]

It's. Unless I think the only one who's ever done it. Right. Harry Potter is Harry Potter. Otherwise, if you've read the book, you will not like the adaptation. And if you haven't read the book, you will like the adaptation.

[Ben]

Yeah. Okay. All right. I'm excited. Cautiously optimistic, but I'm excited.

[Jessica]

Yeah, it's kind of like the curse of being a reader. Sorry.

[Ben]

Got it.

[Jessica]

But it's like, look, you've gotten this like weeks long positive experience as opposed to like a two hour movie.

[Ben]

Totally. No. And now I get to watch a two hour movie and critique it.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Like worst case.

[Jessica]

Worst case, I watched and get to critique. You get to say the movie was not as good. The book was better than the movie.

[Ben]

Way better.

[Jessica]

Snobbish. Nigel with the brie.

[Ben]

That must be Nigel with the brie.

[Jessica]

He didn't think the movie was as good as the book either.

[Ben]

Oh, my God, Nigel.

[Jessica]

You know what else I started this weekend before I let you go? Age of Attraction.

[Ben]

I don't know what it is.

[Jessica]

Okay. It's this new dating show on Netflix. It's host.

[Ben]

I've heard of it.

[Jessica]

It's hosted by Natalie Viall and Nick Viall, who I love.

[Ben]

Yeah, they're great.

[Jessica]

I was so happy to see them on my screen, like doing big things, so. And also they have an age up. They're actually the best advertisement for the show because when I'm watching the show, I'm like age mage. And the whole concept is like you don't know the person's age, but like you can see age more or less. So it's not like this big mystery. But some people are either a lot younger or older than they look. So there has been some crazy age gaps. And I guess like with Nick and Natalie, if I was just looking at them, like, they don't look so different ages.

[Ben]

Like, they look like 10 years apart.

[Jessica]

Yeah, that's what I would have thought. They're 18 years apart, which is actually like quite.

[Ben]

That's a lot of years.

[Jessica]

Quite something. So, yeah, there's something to the premise and the couples. Couples that I've seen, like, unveil their ages so far, like, are pretty wide in. In age gap.

[Ben]

What's it called? Age of Attraction. You said that.

[Jessica]

Age of Attraction.

[Ben]

Maybe I watch.

[Jessica]

The premise is, like, they're on this retreat. They. With a lot of singles. You couple with whoever you want. You spend a lot of days. You go on dates. At the end of the retreat, you go to the promise room and make a. Like, commit to each other, tell each other your age, and then they put you in the real world. Love is blind style. Like, can you guys make it? Okay, so it's. And then you have to meet each other's family. And, like, there are some.

[Ben]

Like, there's your husband loving it. He loves a date.

[Jessica]

He won't watch it with me.

[Ben]

What?

[Jessica]

I think he saw a lot of

[Ben]

clips of it, but he's, like, the biggest blindfan. Why didn't he like this show?

[Jessica]

I said, we're watching a new dating show on Netflix. Like, you're sad. He was like, no, I saw a lot of clips of people revealing their ages. I think it was, like, spoiled for him. And then he wasn't interested.

[Ben]

What?

[Jessica]

I know it was surprising. I was like, wait, why am I watching this then?

[Ben]

It's so funny. He would love it, but he should try. Claudia and I just started watching and finished. Chip and Joanna Gaines. They were doing a, like, lake house. They were doing their own lake house.

[Jessica]

Where's that?

[Ben]

I didn't love the style of the lake house, honestly. They made it very modern, Zen.

[Jessica]

So what's that, like, restoration hardware guide?

[Ben]

No. I don't know how to describe it to you. There were a lot of greens. When I think of a lake house, I think of. Or what I'd like in a lake house, I think of, like, mountain. Mountain Wood. I love wood. Wood in the mountains. That's my thing.

[Jessica]

Cabin. Oh, is that why you sent me that house yesterday?

[Ben]

Yeah. I was just, like, thinking about things.

[Jessica]

Oh, okay. Because I really was still waiting on,

[Ben]

like, why don't I.

[Jessica]

Why are you sending that ugly house?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Is this the lake house? That's a nice kitchen.

[Ben]

Lake house. That is a lovely kitchen. Yes. This is the lake house. You got to keep scrolling. It just didn't do it for me. That was a lovely kitchen.

[Jessica]

Okay. These are the outdoor spaces. Okay. No, this is really beautiful. And you know what this is? It's like, what's gonna be popular next.

[Ben]

Totally.

[Jessica]

You know what I mean? It's ahead of its time a little bit.

[Ben]

I should clarify I love Chip and Joanna Gaines. I love Fixer Upper. It's such a wonderful show. I've actually been watching her. Do you watch her cooking show?

[Jessica]

I love her cooking show, I think. But do they still make new episodes?

[Ben]

I don't know.

[Jessica]

Cause at one point I had seen every episode.

[Ben]

I don't watch anything new. Like, I could be. This show that I just watched could be. Easily be 10 years old and I wouldn't know it.

[Jessica]

So what platform were you on where you saw it? Discovery plus. One of the big ones, Max.

[Ben]

One of the big ones.

[Jessica]

Maxi.

[Ben]

Let's go Home, Max. Hulu Maxwell. Netflix. One of the big ones I even watch. I like. I think I'm the number one watcher of Samsung TVs.

[Jessica]

Me as well.

[Ben]

Yeah. I watch Rachael Ray. Not 30 minute meals. Minutes under.

[Jessica]

Yes. Like 30 under 30. 30 under 30.

[Ben]

Oh, man. Rachel.

[Jessica]

Yeah. Claudius briefed us.

[Ben]

She's briefed.

[Jessica]

But what did you watch of Joanna's cooking show?

[Ben]

I watched her make dumplings with her family. I watched her make. I don't even remember.

[Jessica]

I love her vibelava.

[Ben]

No.

[Jessica]

Oh, yeah. She makes a fierce baklava. Yeah. I really like her cooking show.

[Ben]

Where does she learn to make baklava?

[Jessica]

So she.

[Ben]

Does she have Jewish roots? I didn't.

[Jessica]

It's a Greek dish.

[Ben]

Yeah. I was thinking babka.

[Jessica]

No, she didn't make a babka.

[Ben]

I was like, where did you learn babka? Yeah. Baklava is definitely not Jewish. And it's so delicious. Oh, oh, oh. I love a baklava. Especially when it's nice and nutty and honey.

[Jessica]

Yeah. You should. You should look for that episode. It's like, you can make it. You know, you can make baklava. It looked really hard, but you could do it.

[Ben]

I could totally make it.

[Jessica]

Let's vlog.

[Ben]

I've been making my own labneh. I know you're not a labneh fan.

[Jessica]

Oh, yeah, no, I've heard about your.

[Ben]

I've been making my own cheese. Really delish.

[Jessica]

I've been making my own cheese. That must be Nigel with the brie.

[Ben]

Really good. I should make my own brie.

[Jessica]

Nigel.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Thank you so much, Ben, for joining us.

[Ben]

Thanks for having me. This is wonderful.

[Jessica]

This is great. What a time. I look forward to discussing these stories tomorrow with Claudia. So if you felt like we were too. We went too easy on some people. Don't worry.

[Ben]

I don't think we did. I think we. I think it was appropriate.

[Jessica]

I'll be very curious to Hear her

[Ben]

thoughts on Justin Timberlake.

[Jessica]

Yeah, yeah, we definitely missed a rant about Chapel.

[Ben]

Yeah, maybe, maybe. She's fierce. She's a fierce woman.

[Jessica]

Claudia.

[Ben]

Claudia.

[Jessica]

Yeah, she's a fierce. Yeah, yeah, no, she just went off about Chapel, about the paparazzi and like that was. Was before. Like the 11 year old was made to cry. So I think it would be even stronger reaction. Yeah.

[Ben]

Yeah. Well, thank you very much for having me, as always. Listen to the good guys as well. It's a wonderful podcast after you've listened

[Jessica]

to every single episode of the Toast.

[Ben]

Yeah, it's just extra filler, you know, just like you're. You're looking for your day.

[Jessica]

Like, what's going on on G?

[Ben]

We're. We're having a great time. We have a great guest today. We have Andrew Santino on today, who I love. He's hysterical. We recently had. Oh, we had an episode that you're gonna love.

[Jessica]

I think Claudia told me.

[Ben]

Yeah, we. Spencer Pratt.

[Jessica]

Yeah, she told me it was literally mayoral.

[Ben]

Like, we were interviewing him. It was 60 Minutes style and his platform. Wow. Yeah, he's running on some good things.

[Jessica]

But she told us you forgot to ask about Masinger.

[Ben]

Yeah, but like. Cause he's the mayor.

[Jessica]

Cause he's the mayor. I wonder if he'll win.

[Ben]

He should win. Yeah. Like, he's running on the right things for la.

[Jessica]

I think he really can't stand.

[Ben]

He's a man of the people.

[Jessica]

He has, like, no other agenda other than, like, wanting the city to be amazing.

[Ben]

Exact.

[Jessica]

Like that's a good place to start.

[Ben]

The only problem with what he's doing is he's going to split votes. He's running as an independent. He's giving kind of. Curtis Sliwa and he's gonna split votes.

[Jessica]

But do you think he'll drop out after, like, if it gets to that point?

[Ben]

No.

[Jessica]

Unlike Sliwa.

[Ben]

No. He's in it for the long haul.

[Jessica]

It's a Republican candidate.

[Ben]

I have no idea.

[Jessica]

And then the cash.

[Ben]

I just know that he calls her Karam Bassoura, which I think is like rat or something.

[Jessica]

Basura means garbage.

[Ben]

There you go. Karam Bassoura. That's what he calls her. He's so funny. This episode with Spencer Pratt was so good. He's so funny all night.

[Jessica]

When does that come out?

[Ben]

Three weeks? No, like, maybe tomorrow or something. Maybe this Thursday.

[Jessica]

Oh, okay.

[Ben]

It's soon. And so, yeah, if you live in la, we should be voting for Spencer Pratt. What do I know? LA elections. I don't know. Anything. He made some good points. And there was like a. There was like some really fucked up shit going on in LA last year. So, like, maybe you could use a change.

[Jessica]

Well, yeah, I would say so.

[Ben]

Maybe you could use.

[Jessica]

But what do I know?

[Ben]

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[Jessica]

So exciting.

[Ben]

Feels. Yeah, it's lovely. You're pregnant, you need. You're going for a run. You want to do it before? Run? I was drinking it while I was driving over here.

[Jessica]

You're the designated driver. Yeah, you can drink it if you're the designated driver.

[Ben]

It's great to see you.

[Jessica]

Should be one.

[Ben]

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[Jessica]

Make haste.

[Ben]

He said only today. That's it.

[Jessica]

That's it going on. Thank you, Lish. We'll see you when we see it.

[Ben]

I will. I will see you very soon. Soon.

[Jessica]

Well, I'll see you very soon. Oh, you mean good guys.

[Ben]

Oh, no, I'll see you very soon. Yeah, I just meant it in general. There was nothing like.

[Jessica]

Nothing. It wasn't a threat.

[Ben]

No, I'll see you.

[Jessica]

It wasn't a threat.

[Ben]

Okay, I'll see you very soon or

[Jessica]

you're gonna keep claudia 6 so you can come back tomorrow.

[Ben]

No, I have my. Was my Gaia herbs delivered. Anybody know? God, that's so bad. I hope that they just left it outside. If anybody has a ticket in their throat, this is not sponsored Gaia herbs quick defense. You have a tickle in your throat. My God. This is. This is herbs from the gods. You got echinacea, you got some other Asias. This stuff. Oof, My God, it's fantastic. See, I know. All I'm trying to do is get my wife. Well, I saw a hilarious.

[Jessica]

You think she's gonna take echinacea?

[Ben]

No, she's not going to, but she's drinking a lot of water. I saw a hilarious video. I'll send it to you where, like, the wife is being chased around the house. She, like, mentioned to her husband that she was sick and he's chasing her around with a bottle of water.

[Jessica]

Oh, that's funny.

[Ben]

Which is so mean. You gotta hydrate. She's doing chicken soup. She's doing tea. If she's not better by today, tomorrow, then she's really fucking sick.

[Jessica]

Did you make her chicken soup?

[Ben]

I wanted to make her chicken soup and then she ordered it from the deli. And did she like it? No.

[Jessica]

No. You buy Too homemade. Yeah.

[Ben]

Otherwise it's too oily.

[Jessica]

Yeah, it's kind of yucky.

[Ben]

Yeah. There's too much schmaltz. Too much chicken fat.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Too schmaltzy.

[Jessica]

Is that what schmaltz is?

[Ben]

Yeah. Chicken fat.

[Jessica]

More, you know.

[Ben]

The more, you know.

[Jessica]

Thank you guys so much for listening to the toast. We love you so much and we will see you tomorrow. Love ya. Bye.

[Ben]

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