Does Djerf Have The Cream?: Tuesday, April 7th, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast — "Does Djerf Have The Cream?" (April 7, 2026)

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Podcast: The Toast (Dear Media)
Date: April 7, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively Tuesday episode, Jackie and Claudia cover everything from pop culture scandals and celebrity feuds to the ever-shifting world of influencers. The centerpiece intrigue? A discussion of cancellation culture and whether fashion influencer Matilda Djerf still “has the cream” after her workplace scandal. The sisters analyze pop culture news, real-life drama, and their most “turdy” observations on celebrity, TV, and internet trends. True to form, the episode features sharp banter, plenty of inside jokes, and a handful of memorable rants.

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Key Discussion Points & Memorable Segments

1. Driver's License Weights and Useless Bureaucracy

• [01:04] Claudia and Jackie banter about California IDs listing weight, noting how irrelevant and easily falsifiable that info is.
  • Claudia: “It's self reported. Lol. It's not verified or measured by the DMV... Once I gain weight, the first thing I'm doing is going to the DMV." (01:32)
  • Jackie: "No wonder they have, like, billions in, like, lost taxpayer dollars. Where does the money go? It's like them printing out people's irrelevant weights." (01:53)

2. Money Habits and “Fiscally Responsible” Flexes

• Claudia retells her extravagant trip to St. Barts and debates with Jackie about who is more of a spender.
  • Claudia: “No because I’m not cheap. Like, I have multiple Birkins.” (03:06)

3. Reality TV & Pop Culture Deep Dives

• Ashley Iaconetti’s Relationship Backstory
  • Claudia recaps Ashley’s persistence with her now-husband, calling it “insane,” and both analyze the unique arc of their relationship. (03:44)
• Jury Duty Presents — Failed TV Experiment
  • Claudia reviews the spinoff. Verdict? “It’s bad. Like, the jury duty thing was so incredible...I just wish they just let it be.” (06:30-06:56)
  • Jackie: "They couldn't achieve it again. And now in hindsight, I'm like, seriously, what's the point?" (06:56)
• Jon Hamm & Subscriptions Rant
  • Claudia gripes about streaming services dropping episodes weekly, threatening to cancel and resubscribe repeatedly. (08:00)

4. Social Media Scandal: Haley Beck Arrest

[10:04–13:40]

• Claudia explains the viral drama with Noah Beck’s sister, Haley, a teacher in Arizona arrested for sexual misconduct with an 18-year-old student.
  • Claudia: “She’s like, fully admitting to having a full sexual relationship with this child. And it's actually crazy because the student is low-key funny… He literally will write to her, like, you are weird. You are gross." (12:06, 13:08)
  • Jackie: “Imagine finding out your sister’s a pedophile. Like, that’s insane.” (12:40)

5. NASA Moon Mission & Pop Science

• Emotional story about astronauts orbiting the moon and naming a crater after a crew member’s deceased wife, Carol. (14:00)
  • Claudia: “Because they’re the first to have discovered it, they’re naming it after one of the astronaut’s deceased wife…so it’s called the Carol.” (14:19)
• Nostalgic “Young Sheldon” Tangent, linking pop culture to space travel and Elon Musk jokes. (15:20–17:17)

6. Fast 5 Pop Culture Stories

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I. Vogue Cover: Meryl Streep & Anna Wintour

• Anna Wintour (in a rare move) joins Meryl — as Miranda Priestly — on the Vogue cover for the new “Devil Wears Prada 2.”
  • Claudia: “I feel like I can’t remember a Vogue cover that was actually really culturally relevant and shocking. This is shocking to me.” ([25:04])
  • Jackie critiques Anna’s shift from "shunning" the original movie to now co-signing the sequel: "It is a little losery to do such an about-face." ([27:35])

II. “Strangers” Book Hype

• The hosts struggle to find the book on Goodreads, debate literary FOMO, and note that Gwyneth Paltrow is set to star in its adaptation. ([26:05])

III. Cancel Culture: Did Djerf Have the Cream?

(Main Theme)

• The hosts dissect influencer Matilda Djerf’s career in the wake of toxic workplace allegations.
  • Claudia: “Matilda Jerf is a great example... Canceled and didn’t bounce back. I thought Djerf was cream.” ([30:25], [37:20])
  • Jackie: “She has the most iconic hair. But... I guess it wasn’t creamy enough.” ([31:53])
  • The conversation launches into who “truly” gets canceled, with Chrissy Teigen and Danielle Bernstein as secondary case studies.

IV. Internet Drama: Tennis WAGs

• Jackie and Claudia gossip over drama between “twin-blonde” tennis girlfriends Paige Lorenz and Morgan—whose relationships and social media moves fuel speculation in their very specific influencer “tennis aesthetic.” ([32:00–33:48])

V. “Fast 5” Continues: Chloe Fineman & Vanity Fair Scandal

• Chloe Fineman (SNL) faces backlash after Vanity Fair edits a video where she confesses to pantsing a six-year-old at camp.
  • Jackie: “The way she’s telling the story... the fact that she doesn’t see now that maybe that’s not something you should share.” ([47:04])
  • Claudia: “Chloe Fineman is weird. She’s like a Scientologist. Like, she’s weird.” ([47:39–48:09])
  • They critique the editorial decisions that made the cast look complicit.

7. The “Pimple Patch” Debate (Haley & Justin Bieber’s Road Collab)

• Haley and Justin Bieber are launching pimple patches with Road, prompting debate about the normalization of wearing pimple patches in public.
  • Claudia: “People have taken it really too far… showing up to business conferences with a purple star pimple patch on their face.” ([56:40])
  • Jackie: “I’m not loving the trend of just really normalizing them in everyday life. Or at least do one of the clear ones and blend it, but to just be like, hey, I have a zit, I think it's so crazy.” ([57:03])

8. “Neutrogena for Life”: Old-School Skincare Rant

• The hosts defend their long-term use of Neutrogena wipes and joke about generational divides in skincare routines. ([61:01–61:55])

9. 90s Feud Tea: Carolyn Bessette & Gwyneth Paltrow

• The hosts discuss a recent article about the rumored feud between Carolyn Bessette and Gwyneth Paltrow at Calvin Klein.
  • Claudia: “Sorry, all the Gwyneth Paltrow hate is so forced. Carolyn Bessette included. Like, sorry, you’re jealous.” ([64:08])
  • Jackie: “If they were always in the same orbit...and they didn’t like, kiki, that’s because they hated each other.” ([64:31])

10. Dear Toasters: Weekly Advice Segment

A classic “Ask the Toast” sequence filled with listener questions and the hosts’ comic commentary:

• Wild Husband Habits: Wife writes in about her husband spitting loogies into the dirty laundry bin. Both hosts are horrified.
  • Jackie: “It’s disrespectful to spit on your things...when there's plenty [of other options]... it’s a personality flaw.” ([68:21])
• Embarrassing Bedroom Incident: Listener’s husband caught, um, mid-solo-activity—Jackie urges bringing it up for laughs.
• Dad Forgets Diaper: A baby’s dad forgets to put a diaper on after bath — both hosts call it “crazy” and “negligent.” ([74:00–75:13])
• Male Listeners of The Toast: A listener wonders if her husband's Toast fandom makes him “gay” — hosts joke about pop culture, gender, and say the more the merrier.

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Notable Quotes

On influencer Matilda Djerf:

• “I thought Djerf was cream. But so did she not have the cream?” — Claudia ([37:20])
• “She has like the most iconic hair. Everybody loves her hair.” — Jackie ([31:53])

On Anna Wintour:

• “It is like a little losery to do such an about-face.” — Jackie ([27:35])
• "I find Meryl more...to me, she's the editor in chief of Vogue." — Claudia ([25:32])

On Gen Z Trends:

• “It does speak to the overall, you know, deterioration of how people look in public. People used to leave the house in a petticoat, a corset, and a ball gown. Now, you're wearing a pimple patch.” — Claudia ([58:01])

On Summer House Scandal (Amanda & Wes):

• “Her decisions have been so poor.” — Claudia ([42:11])
• “I can't believe Amanda did that...I'm in disbelief...I want to hear from her.” — Jackie ([40:06–41:39])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Driver’s License Weights: 01:04–01:53
• Rhode Island/Ashley Iaconetti Recap: 03:44–04:53
• Jury Duty TV Review: 06:30–06:56
• Haley Beck Arrest Scandal: 10:04–13:40
• NASA Moon Mission/Young Sheldon: 14:00–17:17
• Fast 5 Stories Start: 23:58
• Devil Wears Prada 2 Vogue Cover: 24:04–28:41
• Cancel Culture: Matilda Djerf/Chrissy Teigen/Danielle Bernstein: 29:54–37:32
• Chloe Fineman/Vanity Fair Scandal: 45:23–48:43
• Pimple Patch Debate (Road x Bieber): 54:52–58:32
• Neutrogena Wipes Rant: 61:01–61:55
• Bessette/Gwyneth Feud: 63:06–66:46
• Dear Toasters (Advice Segment): 67:04–80:13

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Episode Tone & Energy

The conversation is dense, enthusiastic, and packed with both biting sarcasm and unfiltered real talk. Jackie and Claudia riff off each other naturally, jump from topic to topic with hilarious segues, and punctuate juicy news with their signature “turdy” commentary.

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For New Listeners

This episode delivers a concentrated dose of Jackie & Claudia’s unique brand of pop culture analysis. Expect rapid-fire discussion, niche internet drama explained, surprisingly sharp takes on “cancel culture,” and the promise that, in their world, cream always rises — but only if you don’t get genuinely canceled.

Transcript

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[Jackson Claude]

It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

They sound amazing.

[Jackson Claude]

Welcome back to the Toast and happy Tuesday. Speaking of choosing the, let me introduce you to my life partner who I've chosen to do life with. Yeah, it's Jacqueline Bowleigh. Hey, Jax, how you doing?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I'm darn good. How fun for you that you get to come up with, like, an intro for me every day. I never really thought about it. Like, I would have so much fun.

[Jackson Claude]

It's so like Jason and Travis of us. Like, when they introduce £600 from New York New. You know how they do, like, that whole thing, like a wrestle. I would never include your weight, though.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Thank you.

[Jackson Claude]

You know what I just found out?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

100 pounds.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, really? I weigh 75. You're so fat. You know what I just found out?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

What?

[Jackson Claude]

If you live in California, they put your weight on your identification card.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Are you sure? That doesn't sound like the truth.

[Jackson Claude]

You know what? Not even.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Because, like, it's so my friend Margot

[Jackson Claude]

told me and she's, like, smart. Not even.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Because, like, we're so precious.

[Jackson Claude]

Have your weight on it, question mark.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

But your weight changes every day, week to week, month to month. Like, that's irrelevant.

[Jackson Claude]

It has. Yeah. Of course a license should have, like, permanent statistics like your eye color, height.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, I think it's wrong.

[Jackson Claude]

Now, in California, your driver's license does include your weight. Here's how it works. The wait listed is self reported. Lol. It's not verified or measured by the dmv. You can update it at any time you renew or request a replacement if it changes significantly. Oh, yeah. Once I gain weight, the first thing I'm doing is going to the dmv. Actually, if I lose weight, I'm not carrying around something with my old weight.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

That is such a useless thing to have. Like, no wonder they have, like, billions in, like, lost taxpayer dollars. Where does the money go? It's like them printing out people's irrelevant weights.

[Jackson Claude]

You got to tell Spencer Pratt, that's like, a campaign promise. I'll remove weights from identification cards. That would be, like, my whole platform.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

That means everybody needs a new id. That's also wasteful. Like, maybe going forward we don't have it. But, like, you have to think of the spending. Coachers, cardboard.

[Jackson Claude]

One thing about me, I'm always thinking about spending.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Thinking about the spending look at.

[Jackson Claude]

Look in the mirror, okay? You're not thinking about the spending.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I'm. I'm sitting here being the one thinking about the spending.

[Jackson Claude]

You're never thinking about spending. I'm always like, I literally. I get kept up at night about the spending.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I don't know. You went to St. Bart's like, I didn't even do.

[Jackson Claude]

I know. I did go to parts. It's so true.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

One time, Claudia went to St. Bart's and it was, like, the most extravagant thing she's ever done.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I was like. It was my Hail Mary, actually. I saw the Taylors over the weekend. Who? I went to Saint Bar Smith, and I said to them, like, that was the best thing we ever did. It was right before I got pregnant. Like, it was my last hurrah. And I looked at my credit card bill, like, with Taylor Strecker, and, like, we both looked at them together after the trip, and hers was double mine. So, like, I don't even feel bad.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. But I just like to, like, hold that over your head when you, like, claim to be cheap when you throw stones.

[Jackson Claude]

No, because I'm not cheap. Like, I have multiple Birkins. You know, that's not cheap. People don't do that. I'm just a fiscally responsible person. Like, I don't think that's crazy.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Getting emotional just talking about this.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

You are.

[Jackson Claude]

I did something crazy last night.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Oh, God. What is it now? What'd you watch? So do you remember the show Rhode Island?

[Jackson Claude]

No. That's actually crazier than doing meth.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I.

[Jackson Claude]

Even though I did see a video this morning, being like, oh, if you're new to. If you're new to Ashley, I can eddy. Like, here's her backstory and how. On how her and her husband met. And I was there for it. I watched all those.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

We were there, front row seat.

[Jackson Claude]

But it's actually insane how they met. Like, the 10 years long. Her begging him to love her, him being like, girl, I do not like you. I will never like you. I have never liked you. Like, please go find someone else. For 10 years, she finally meets someone else. Kevin, the firefighter, who's now married to Astrid. And the second she gets into a relationship, he's like, wait, I like you. And they get married. Like, it's insane.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I didn't realize Kevin, the yeah was what it took.

[Jackson Claude]

And so they're actually, like, going through marital issues. I've heard on the premiere of Rhode island, and it's not surprising given how they met.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Like, no. No, but they. First of all, I don't hold that against them. And even though, like, like I said last week, I don't understand people who are like, deep friends for so long, boys and girls, straight, both single. And then it occurs to them to be together. Like, I can't understand that. Their marital issues, from what I seen, like, seem very, like, normal. He is struggling in his profession. He owns a coffee shop that he started as like, you know, like a celebrity coffee shop. And he works really hard at it. I saw a scene, I saw the same clip trying to have a conversation. He just, like, is calling out orders

[Jackson Claude]

and like, matcha latte.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, he's like, can't stop moving to, like, save his coffee shop. And because he's like, not having professional success, like, it makes him feel kind of like a zero. And he just isn't bringing to the relationship. Like, and it's really on him because she's not mad at him about it. But then, like, you know, all the breadwinning is on her. And, like, I think it's like, very normal stuff.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, it's gonna get worse because she's about to make more money as a

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

housewife, but maybe it will be good for their coffee shop. And everyone can see how hard he works and how much dedication he puts into every beam.

[Jackson Claude]

So I did something crazy last night. Do you remember the show Jerry? Dude, that guy Ronald, like, they did the whole. So they did a second season and I have been hearing some things. I won't say I heard a lot, but, like, me and Ben were looking for something new. We liked it last time. And so they've changed the premise. It's called Jerry Duty Presents. Not Couples Retreat, Company retreat. So it's about this really sweet guy named Anthony who gets. He's a temp and he gets a temping job at this, like, small hot sauce company. It's like a family owned business and they're filming it very much like the office. It's like parody. And when he got the job, he found out that, like, their big annual company retreat is coming up. And he's going to be the assistant for the guy who runs the retreat. Retreat. The retreat is like this thing they all wait for every year. It's like such a big deal. And this year they're like, bringing a documentary crew to like, you know, film the retreat. And it is so not believable. Like, it's like almost slapstick comedy. It's so stupid. Like, on the first episode, the guy who, he's like, temping for proses to this girl who is also at the company and she's like, we're not even dating. And like he thought they were dating. Like it was. It's so stupid.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And they're all making like they're all

[Jackson Claude]

in on it, except for they're all professional actors. They go to the retreat. The people working at the retreat are actors. It's like this big elaborate thing. And I just want to say it's bad. It's bad. Like the jury duty thing was so incredible. It was such a feat in pranking, it was such a feat in television making. This whole courtroom was wired, like completely fake. It was brilliant. Like, and I just wish they just let it be, you know what I mean?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

They would never have just let it be. But they couldn't achieve it again. And now in hindsight, I'm like, seriously, what's the point? What's the point?

[Jackson Claude]

Well, just tell it. The point was to make tv. And also that guy Ronald became a star. Like I didn't have this sort of existential feeling.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Same trust issues now everywhere.

[Jackson Claude]

Yes. I also felt when I was watching this guy, Anthony is so sweet. Right? And I was like, well, this is actually mean.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, it's stupid and there's no purpose. It doesn't sound remotely enticed. Like I remember,

[Jackson Claude]

haha.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Cool that you did that.

[Jackson Claude]

Yes, exactly. Cool that you did that. This like cool that you did that.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Don't do it again.

[Jackson Claude]

I just feel like no one's gonna tell you what like that you need to know that the show is bad. Do not watch it. And it also has commercials because it's like that Amazon freebie. Like I'm out, freebie out. Because one thing, I mean, I'm Cardboard Koji, but I do not skirt on those premium subscriptions. I just cancel them when I no longer need them. I did have to just resubscribe to Apple plus because your friends and neighbors is out. Although one episode. What are you doing?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Oh, I'll wait.

[Jackson Claude]

Jon Hamm is everywhere. He's on Watch Happens Live. I keep watching. Did this big video with Harper's Bazaar. Like he's press, press, press. And it worked. It worked on me. Oh yeah, your new show is out. Let me go get Apple plus. And only one episode. Like I'm literally about to start canceling the subscription between episodes. Like that's insane.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Not to make their day. But they should have like a resubscription fee so that it actually becomes more effective, burdensome for you to cancel and resubsc, subscribe why would you say that? Because I'm a businesswoman, you know, it ain't your business. I'm just. I'm just a little.

[Jackson Claude]

Should we put that. Should we put that on Patreon?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I kind of love that.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, no, don't.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Why?

[Jackson Claude]

Like, we're not. The Patreon offers that.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

We're not going to because we don't, like, mess with the Patreon price plan. But, like, kind of brilliant, kind of.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, update from yesterday. My car was not towed.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Good.

[Jackson Claude]

There wasn't even a ticket. So that's how I know, like, the Lord was on my side yesterday. And I actually, later in the day ended up getting a manicure and I sat down with my headphones in and I listened to the toast because it's such a good podcast. And I could sense, like, I was very tense. Like, it was sort of like a ball of tension. It was radiating through the screen. Today I am free. I am relaxed. I am unclenched. What do you want to do? What do you want to talk about?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Everyone will excited his dear toasters.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, it's going to be in the lafi, so just lock in.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, it should be an alafi if things go to plan. But let me ask you something. Like, did you really park in the middle of the street after all?

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Next time you have to take a picture of the park.

[Jackson Claude]

In hindsight, because now I'm just really not.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

You probably just parked.

[Jackson Claude]

No, it wasn't even a spot.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I wish we had a picture.

[Jackson Claude]

I think it's just actually a testament to how poorly New York City is run because I absolutely should have been towed.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

It was true.

[Jackson Claude]

It was civil. Civilly disobedient.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Budget cut.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, it was bad for pedestrians. It was bad for everything. Wait, I have to tell you about what's going on on Tick Tock. There's really, like, actually crazy drama.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Is it about the person who's trying to cancel Sally? Over my dead body?

[Jackson Claude]

No, it's worse, actually. It's really bad. What? So you know Noah Beck, right?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yes. Oh, his sister.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Wait, tell me the story. I saw a headline, but I was just like, I felt uncomfortable.

[Jackson Claude]

I've been seeing headlines, like, circulating. And then this morning, I always put my tick tock. Like, I have my octo buddy, like, stuck to the mirror and I scroll Tick tock. It's how I like actually research. Before the show today, I learned about the astronauts going to space. Did you see they named that bright spot on the moon after that guy's husband, Wife Carol. I want to kill myself Looks so cute. So I learned about things, and then I come and bring them up on the toes. So I got stuck in, like, a Haley Beck algorithm today. And you guys, it's really bad.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

So what did she do?

[Jackson Claude]

So literally, she was just arrested. Her house was searched because she was having an inappropriate relationship with a student.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Right. That's what it was.

[Jackson Claude]

And so she's a teacher in, I think, Arizona, where they're from.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

How old is she?

[Jackson Claude]

That's a really good question. It's.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And then, like, how old is the student? Like, not to, like, just to set the scene.

[Jackson Claude]

She's 27.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Okay.

[Jackson Claude]

So actually she's a part of a. The student was 18. So, like, 10 years younger than her. Two high school teachers were accused of sexual misconduct with the same student, and one of them was Haley Beck, sister of famed Tick Tocker and Baywatch star. All roads lead back to Baywatch. Noah Beck.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

That's really crazy.

[Jackson Claude]

So what's crazy is that there was this girl on Tick Tock. So it literally, as I'm blowing out my hair this morning, she's reading the text messages because all. Every. All this is coming out the deposition. And first of all, the text messages are insane. Like, they. She's like, fully admitting to having, like, a full sexual relationship with this child. And it's actually crazy because if you read the text messages, the girl was saying it like, this is so crazy, because also, like, the student is low key, funny, like, in the text messages, he is, like, not interested in her. It's crazy. She's, like, chasing down this child who wants nothing to do with her. And every time, she keeps writing these, like, long messages to him before a bed. And she's like, even though you never say it back, I love you.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Oh, my God.

[Jackson Claude]

It's like, girl, not. You're like a pedophile who can't even get it. Like, it's so insane. The text.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

A picture of her.

[Jackson Claude]

The text messages are insane. So cringe. So disgusting.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

So it's like, not bad that she's like, a pedophile. Like, she's also.

[Jackson Claude]

Right, she's also cringe and she's like, like unsuccessful. You know what I mean?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, I'm not really seeing, like, photos of her.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, really? I've seen a thousand of her.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Oh, okay.

[Jackson Claude]

Google Haley Noah Beck. I feel bad for Noah Beck. Like, everyone's like, no, are you gonna speak out?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Like, seriously, leave him alone.

[Jackson Claude]

Imagine finding out your sister's a pedophile. Like, that's insane.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

That really crazy. I'M looking like she's just.

[Jackson Claude]

And I believe that they're close. She just looks like a regular girl. She literally, like, looks like someone's sister.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

It's a belief.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Oh, my God.

[Jackson Claude]

I think that they are. He goes home a lot. Like, he's always making tik toks with his family. I think that they are close.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Oh, my God.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, please leave Noah back alone. Like, I can't even imagine what he's going through. Like, this is so disgusting.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Over 4, 000 text messages.

[Jackson Claude]

And they're all her. She's like, I cried myself to bed last night thinking of you. And he was like, you're weird. Can you pick me up from the airport, please? Like, he literally will write to her. Like, you are weird. You are gross. Like, I kind of am obsessed with the student just based on his disposition in the text messages.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

You're obsessed with him.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, God. Sorry. Sorry. It's giving Kelly back. Stop, stop. That's actually not funny. I'm having, like, a toxic relationship with my fan today. Like, when it comes on, I'm too cold. When I turn it off, I'm so hot.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Jackson Claude]

Such is life, you know?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Well, yeah, that's really crazy. And like, fudge up.

[Jackson Claude]

No, it's so fud up. Damn. So that's what I learned on my morning scroll. And I also learned about the astronauts who are currently orbiting, like, the closest to the moon anybody's ever gotten. And it's like very. It's like a big deal. It's like very emotional.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. Are they landing on the moon? Is that the plan?

[Jackson Claude]

No, I believe that they're orbiting it, like, taking pics of things that have never been seen, like landmarks on the moon. And they found this crater that like, comes off as a bright spot when you look at the moon. And because they're the first to have discovered it, they're naming it after one of the astronauts deceased wife who died of cancer. Her name is Carol. So it's called the Carol.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

They got to the moon pretty quickly, don't you find? It's just a couple of days.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. What's the machine called?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Artemis.

[Jackson Claude]

Is that what it's called?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Sounds like a homeware brand.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Artemis Art House.

[Jackson Claude]

And I'm. Yeah, Art house. That's what I'm thinking. I also am confused, like, who. Whose is this? You know, I think because I haven't

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

heard, I feel like it's giving NASA because I haven't really heard, like, Elon or anyone like, else talking about it.

[Jackson Claude]

Zuck or who's the other one? Richard Branson.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And I believe the hashtag for the journey is hashtag NASA moon crew.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, they're, like, obviously are having a branding issue and have decided to put their whole, you know, necessity into this particular rocket ship. Okay. Slay. I mean, NASA is the og.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, they kind of got eclipsed from, you know, branding and just so. Sure. Like, Slay.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. I also think, you know, always goes back to funding.

[Jackson Claude]

One of my favorite episodes of Young Sheldon is when young Sheldon in, like, the 80s claims that he's figured out, like, how to go to space. It's like a simple math equation that NASA hasn't figured out. So he makes his dad drive him to, like, all the NASA headquarters. He bangs outside the door, and the guy's like, I'll take a look. And he gives him his composition notebook. And, you know, that guy never took a look. And then they fast forward 20 years later when they do accomplish the feat of whatever it is, like orbiting the

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

moon, which is sending a rocket to space. Space. And then having it land. They used to just fall into the water, and that was it. But now break.

[Jackson Claude]

And it was, like billions of dollars worth of equipment just in the garbage.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, right.

[Jackson Claude]

And I watched that documentary actually on Netflix. It's an amazing documentary about the first time Elon sent a rocket to space that safely landed back. Yeah, but they had an episode of Sheldon where 20 years in the future, actually, Elon had stolen the composition notebook that Sheldon wrote. And it was like he stole Sheldon's idea and Elon's actually in the episode. It's very, very funny.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

It is. It.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, funny stuff.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Young Sheldon. That was a good time.

[Jackson Claude]

The best.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Our Young Sheldon era.

[Jackson Claude]

I love that show. Like, I just love that show. It's. I could actually talk about it all day.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I watched it when I was so pregnant with Charlie, and I remember we were, like, living in New York, and the couch that we were, like, living on was so uncomfortable and, like, it sort of, like, ruined the show for me. I just remember, like, the feeling of, like, you know, can't get.

[Jackson Claude]

Of course, of course.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

So I had to stop watching, but maybe I'm ready now. He's. He's like, two and a half. Maybe I'm ready.

[Jackson Claude]

And you have to finish it because the ending of Young Sheldon is, like, so insane.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Okay, but the crazy part about young Sheldon. No, and don't tell me the crazy part is that he grows up to be, like, the most annoying person on Big Bang Theory.

[Jackson Claude]

And what's so on Big Bang Theory, he grows up to be the most annoying person on young Sheldon because I

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

think they're developing him into the person that you see on Big bank, which

[Jackson Claude]

is, like, this socially inept, annoying person, like, rude. But the great thing is that I think that the showrunners, like, become very aware of that Sheldon's character is really unlikable after, like, the third season. And they really build out. They develop the other characters. His grandma, his dad, George and Mandy. Yeah. You learn to love the others so much that Sheldon's barely in the show towards the end.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Well, it's cute kid, right, to be, like, smart?

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, it's the Bran Stark effect. Because then the actor goes through puberty and it's, like, not cute or funny anymore.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

No, but it's also like, then you have, like, this teenager who's always, like, telling. Being rude, stupid. Like. Yeah, it's cute when a kid does it. Let's get into the story, shall we?

[Jackson Claude]

You feel prepared to do today? We've got your toasters.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

We do.

[Jackson Claude]

We've got it all.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

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[Jackson Claude]

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[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Thank you, Turdsurance.

[Jackson Claude]

You're welcome, Jerdsurance.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Our first story, new cover of Vogue. Meryl Streep and Anna Wintour cover Vogue together.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, wait. I didn't even see this.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

In honor of the Devil Wears Prada, too.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, wait, that's, like, kind of huge.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

It is kind of huge. Not only, like, are they honoring Devil Wears Prada, but Anna is on the COVID Has she ever been on the COVID before?

[Jackson Claude]

Definitely not. Oh, wait. Wow. Oh, and Meryl's on the COVID like, in character as Miranda. She's got the Miranda hair and everything.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, yeah. So ahead of the release, Meryl Streep and Anna Wintour posed together for a very special cover of Vogue. Both dressed in Prada. Devil Wears Prada. The shoot was done by Annie Leibovitz. She photographed the pair while Greta Gerwig spoke with the duo for the interview.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, she's not the director of Devil Wears Prada. She's just, like, a huge fan.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. And so, like, she wrote the interview, which I feel like is a. Is a good get. They talked about the future of fashion life in 170s, because all three women, including Annie Leibovitz, are 76.

[Jackson Claude]

And then there's also, like, fab pictures of them in the back of a limo.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, my God. This is, like, really iconic. I feel like I actually can't remember, like, a Vogue cover that I actually felt was, like, really culturally relevant and, like, shocking. This is shocking to you like, this is really good.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. It's especially shocking because Anne is in it. I don't know why. If it was just Meryl Streep, like, that would be like, okay. They're really, you know, going all in on the movie, which they already were. But the fact that it's the two of them, it's like, in all the years that she's run Vogue, she, like, never really put herself on the COVID and stuff. So, like, that's cool.

[Jackson Claude]

And it's funny that, like, I find Meryl more like, to me, she's the editor in chief of Vogue. Do you know what I mean?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Even in the pictures Anna's in.

[Jackson Claude]

Anna, yes. Yes. And it's probably because she plays this, like, outsized character.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

She's an actress.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, this is so fab. Fab, fab, fab. I love this.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Have you been hearing about the book Strangers? Like, everyone's talking about it.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

See, Lauren Elizabeth just post about it.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, actually, yes. I think she did.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Okay. So that's the only thing I heard about it. She said that everybody's reading it, but that she read it before everyone did.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. That must be frustrating. Everyone's reading it. Everyone's talking about it. The book has now been optioned, and Gwyneth's gonna play the lady. And I saw the lady was interviewed by Opra.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Wait, I'm gonna put it on my tbr. One second.

[Jackson Claude]

It's about a divorce, and I think it's, like, what happened to this woman? I don't know what happened, but something Strangers.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I wish I chose it for redheads. Maybe the next person next. Next year can choose it next year. It's just called Strangers. No.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

It's not. I'll go to Lord, no. It's not coming up. Let me go to Lauren Elizabeth.

[Jackson Claude]

Yes, it is.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Who's all reading it?

[Jackson Claude]

It. Everyone.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Everyone who's anyone.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm telling you. It's called Strangers.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

It's called Strangers.

[Jackson Claude]

Great. I'm glad we cleared that up. Pain in the ass, like.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

But it's not coming up on Goodreads. One second. Strangers, A Memoir of Marriage. Okay. Want to read.

[Jackson Claude]

Sorry. Back to this cover. I just want to say, I think this is so fabulous. And we were talking about. Because when they presented Annie. Annie Hathaway, Anne Hathaway, and Anna Wintour at the. Was it the Oscars? We were saying that, like, this could. You know, there is a line where I think, like, you engage too much, and it's, like, not funny anymore. I do think this is A very like highbrow way of engaging. And I think it's like very fun and it's extremely turdy. Approved.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. They were also talking about how for the first movie they really couldn't get like any wardrobe or they had a hard time like dressing Miranda because no designers wanted to work with them because they didn't want to piss off Anna.

[Jackson Claude]

They were afraid.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

So it is like, like a little, a little losery to do such an about face. Like, because the first movie was like,

[Jackson Claude]

you're saying on Anna's part.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. To go from like completely like shunning this movie, blacklisting it. Like, were they even invited to the Met gala to then for the second one to not just like give it your stamp of approval, but to be so involved.

[Jackson Claude]

She's probably in the movie, by the way.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Of for sure.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

To be.

[Jackson Claude]

I agree.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

So involved because it was like amazing and cool and like you didn't have the foresight to like see that beforehand. Like, like it's just touch of loser.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. I also think that when the movie was coming out, she was probably in hell. Like, you know that assistant, it's based on a book, right?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

So this former assistant of her, like wrote this like tell all memoir fiction wise, it's a nightmare and then the book gets optioned. Right. And Anne Hathaway and Meryl Streep, like, I'm sure this was like a five year long nightmare for Anna Wintour. She obviously didn't realize that it would end up kind of becoming a legacy thing for her, her not engaging with it. I also think like was better because it, it made us all believe that it was probably based in truth. And so, yeah, now I agree, like, it does have illusory element to it, but I'm having fun of like bandwagon.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Like couldn't like see the success that it would be before it happened. But I could also recognize like as a human, you know, she's a human thing.

[Jackson Claude]

For a girl to go through a nightmare, she's just like a woman, you know, she is this like icy figure. No.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And they didn't out to be like this monster. But like, like she's so iconic that it's like you have no choice but to respect her.

[Jackson Claude]

And I also think in the movie, okay, I guess, like when she turns on Stanley Chuchi, like, that was bad.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

No. And also, you know, everyone's like, it's disposable to her. She can't remember anyone's name. Like that's.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, when you're an Icon like that. Like, I don't think that you need to be remembering people's names until you become memorable.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

But in this day and age, it's like the worst thing that you can

[Jackson Claude]

be is like toxic workplace.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Look at Matilda Jerf.

[Jackson Claude]

Wait, you know what I was thinking about yesterday? I'm so glad you brought up Matilda Durf, because when we talk about cancel culture, we talk about how like everybody pretty much bounces back more often than not bigger. Right?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

But I was thinking, because I ended up weirdly, I sent you a picture. I was on Chrissy Teigen's Instagram and I do feel like she really has been successfully canceled. Like her Instagram gets so little engagement. I see her doing things like she would never have done in a prior life and we forget like the level that she was at before. Like she was, was, you know, safely with Kris Jenner. Right?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

No, and she was just tapped for everything. Like, everything.

[Jackson Claude]

And she really, like, I want to say she has been successfully canceled and so has Matilda Jerf. I forgot about her. There was a moment like where every girl wanted to be Matilda Jar. If you like, if you're a millennial, you might not have heard of her, but she was like the big. She was like becoming an Alex Earl type. She's based in the Netherlands, I think, or Sweden. So she was still like coming to the States. But if you look at her, tick tock now she gets one view, like literally one year. Yes, I. Three comments. And the three comments are all about the toxic workplace allegations.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I never was a part of Jerf mania, so I can't like say that it was louder then and quieter now. I really don't know. I just like, I would see her from time to time and then like, then she was like horrible boss. And I, I don't really know what's happened now.

[Jackson Claude]

And if it's her brand, Jerf Avenue, which like, was becoming the biggest thing. Three likes, like they really. And the comments are just like all still about the toxic world. It's just interesting how like I don't feel like having going through a scandal really ever affects someone negatively. All in all, it is. Unless like you killed someone. It is just like a part of the journey. But Matilda Jerf is a great example. And then I was thinking about it last night. Chrissy Teigen.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, but like, Chrissy Teigen just got a hosting gig on that show on Netflix, Star Search. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

No, she's not irrelevant.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Right. I feel like for Chrissy Teigen and I don't know, I can't say what happened to Matilda Jerf, like, because I have no idea. But I feel like for Tracy Keegan was more so. Like it's not that the industry canceled her. Like she still gets opportunities.

[Jackson Claude]

The people.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

It's the people. It's similar to like Balenciaga where it's like, okay, you can pretend like this is like still a popular brand, but like nobody's buying it.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, that's Matteo.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I don't know and I don't know who her fans were before and if she cultivated the sort of audience that would be so aghast at the fact, like if her whole thing was like kindness, you know, and then it turns out it wasn't.

[Jackson Claude]

It was just like fluffy bangs and road lip Tide lip peptides.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

So she's crazy bangs.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

She has like the most iconic hair. Everybody loves her hair.

[Jackson Claude]

Her hair, her makeup, her clothes. Like she was like the Dairy Boy.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

That's what I keep thinking it of it as. So it's like if it turned out,

[Jackson Claude]

I think it's a Dairy Boy. I heard a rumor. I texted you this last night. You know, there is a lot of drama in like the tennis wags circle between these two girls, Paige Lorenz and this other girl, Morgan.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

The thing is, it's like, it's the absence of drama that makes it drama.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, because they're both, they look exactly alike. They're like twin blonde girls who have the same exact Instagram like tennis aesthetic. This whole tennis wag vibe. Like they both cultivated it and they are not friends. Like they're not friends. So obviously.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And they're like all both top 10.

[Jackson Claude]

Their man's are friends.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

They're at at all of the same tournaments because their man's are playing.

[Jackson Claude]

There's drama.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Of course there is. Because they never once associated together. And they do the same thing when I first.

[Jackson Claude]

They go to the same tournaments, they take pictures in the same dresses.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

At Wimbledon, like, same sense of style and it's all very purgy. Like not many people like operate on that level.

[Jackson Claude]

So the fact that it's a unique aesthetic.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. The fact that they don't ever post together when they're always in the same city in the same, you know, player hotel. It's the absence that means the drama.

[Jackson Claude]

They fucking hate each other. Like confirmed. But the streets are saying that Morgan and her man have broken up. Which would leave Paige as the reigning queen of tennis. Even though I feel like she won the battle like two years ago. Like she is the essential tennis wag. But it looks like Morgan is, like, out of the game because her and her man allegedly broke up. Even though her man is technically a better tennis player, he's, like, ranked better than Paige's man, but, like, it doesn't matter, you know?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Paige is also engaged.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. So that's a major win for a wag.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Paige also, like, does merch for Indian Wells with her company. Like, she's so, like.

[Jackson Claude]

Does she?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, she did a Dairy Boy collab, like, when. Like, she brings Dairy Boy everywhere and, like, makes it, like, a work event for her.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

So, yeah, she's very much ingrained in the world, so.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

What does that mean? But I feel like at this point, like, Morgz has become, like, a. A tennis personality that, like, she will probably still go to, like, events and stuff without her.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I don't agree. I don't agree. And I think that would be weird.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

So you think she's never gonna go to a tennis match again unless she

[Jackson Claude]

starts dating another player, which I love that for her.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

That would be drama.

[Jackson Claude]

That would be drama.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

No.

[Jackson Claude]

So, yeah, just an update from the story.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

It would be drama if. If Morgz and her man broke up.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I think they did.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

What makes you think that?

[Jackson Claude]

I saw it on Tick Tock. So.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

But anyways, Matilda Jerf would be like, yeah, if Paige Lauren's turned out to be, like, a horrible boss. But, like, that's why I'm surprised because it's like, say, that came out. Oh, she's toxic workplace. Like, okay. Like, okay, so don't work there.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, and I just want to say, like, call me crazy, but, like, I don't give a. You know?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And, like. And I think Matilda jerk, like, said this in her statement. I just remember this being, like, the takeaway sort of, like, that's what it. Like, sort of like to be like, a very, like, tunnel vision, intense personality

[Jackson Claude]

operating at a high level.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Like, and not that she's an wintour, but, like, like, that's how you get done.

[Jackson Claude]

And I just want to say, whatever she did probably wasn't even that bad. And, like, if it was, like, a boy, no one would care. So please.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, So I don't know why it didn't. She didn't bounce back. Because if I heard that about, like, Paige, I'd be like, okay. Like, no.

[Jackson Claude]

Matilda Jerflick was a successful cancellation. There's just a few people shout out for the comments. Who else do you feel like has been truly successfully canceled? Because for the most part, everyone bounces back. And in hindsight, you Realize it was kind of like a good thing for your brand, you know, unless you were accused of, like, rape or murder.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Right, right, right.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm not talking about, like, things with, like, criminal. Criminal allegations. I'm talking about, oh, I ran into her in the street once and she was mean, you know?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. Classic.

[Jackson Claude]

Even that, even that. Danielle Bernstein, you cannot, can't. They cannot keep her down. And I just want to say we didn't talk about it because it was over the holidays, but she called off her engagement. And I just want to say I love this arc for her where she's sort of like the Evelyn Hugo of the digital world. I think that's actually a great niche for her, and I need her to keep getting engaged and calling off her engagement.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Wasn't this her first engagement?

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, but she's like a serial monogamous girl. She's had like five or six really long term relationships, and it's always will they, won't they, will they, won't they? And then she did, and now I just, like, I think she needs to get married and divorced. You know, I love. I think this is actually great for her in terms of her image, like, bounce back.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Well, I was saying she needs to go and call her daddy.

[Jackson Claude]

She needs to go and call her

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

daddy, like, because I feel like nobody knows, like, what happened. Everyone's talking about. It was like, the biggest deal. She doesn't do podcasting that much.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, there are so many rumors, like, both online and, like, in New York. Everyone was talking about it.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

She needs to go on.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm sorry. She's deeply interesting.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, that would have been good. I wonder why. I wonder if, like, if it was even in the. Anyone thought of it.

[Jackson Claude]

I get the sense that Danielle actually really does not want to talk about it, just based on, like, following her and stuff. I used to be really good friends with her. I barely know where. So I'm just like, saying this is, like, true culture commentary. I just get the sense, like, her content, she moved on real quick. Like, she's not doing, like, quote cards, you know?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Right.

[Jackson Claude]

There hasn't been a single quote. You can't keep her down. And that's the thing. Like, who's had more scandals than her? Nobody. But she's deeply interesting and, like, and at the end of the day, she also has really good style. And, like, Pete, like, she does have, like, influence on, like, fashion and, like, what the girls on the Internet are wearing and how they're decorating their homes. So at the end of the day, like, cream Rises.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Cream rises. But I thought Jerf was cream.

[Jackson Claude]

I thought Jerf was cream, too. Like, Jerf had jerk had the guts.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I thought turf was cream.

[Jackson Claude]

Jerf equals creamy. Title.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Title. And you have to listen to this episode to get it what that meant. Just go walk up to someone in the street and say, I thought jerk was cream, and they'll have you institutionalized.

[Jackson Claude]

The funny thing is, like, if before this conversation, you just said to me, I thought Jerp had the cream, like, I think I would have been able to figure it out. There are context clues.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I thought Sheriff had the cream, but so did she not have the creep?

[Jackson Claude]

She did. Like, she was like, a. Very much like, her brand was like, a mix of, like, road and dairy boy.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

And, like, roller rabbit.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. And, yeah, I guess it wasn't creamy enough.

[Jackson Claude]

Loving Meryl on the COVID We took that really far.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Taylor Frankie Paul is leaving the Mormon Church reveals panic attacks amid Dakota Mortensen and Bachelorette scandal. She posted saying the last 40 days have felt like hell on earth. So Taylor Frank Paul is emerging online as though we know she was lurking. She's now posting. She posted the.

[Jackson Claude]

Did.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Probably a better first follow up to, like, the last few weeks, which was like a. A re. A montage of, like, her praying and crying and Bible verses and, like, her spiritual journey that she's been on and how she's turned to God. But she also did include how she's sort of, like, stepped away from the Mormon Church at this time, though. She.

[Jackson Claude]

But she hasn't stepped away from, like, religion and God.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yes, yes. And then some people were theorizing that maybe she was kicked out of this church.

[Jackson Claude]

Church, yes, definitely. They're, like, hella strict, and this is not good. I think even, like, a lot of the Salt Lake City housewives, like, were on probation when they started, you know, acting like that on tv. It does feel a bit like she's blaming Mormonism for, like, her poor decisions, which I don't.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Oh, I didn't get that.

[Jackson Claude]

I did. Being like, oh, I'm gonna be better now because I'm not Mormon.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Oh. Oh, I didn't. I didn't feel that way.

[Jackson Claude]

I've also just, like, lost a lot of my, like, like, patience. Care.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Oh, care.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Because I do believe she's, like, a deeply wounded individual through circumstances that, like, were not her own. Like, maybe she didn't make good decisions, but, like, at the end of the day, like, she didn't protect her kids.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

And so I Just, I really want good for her. But, like, I. I'm. Like, I'm sort of laying her to rest. And, like, when you're healed and doing better, like, sure, come find me, but I really don't want to get on the roller coaster again. You know, she's kind of erratic, not to use Kyle Richards words against her.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, yeah. It's just sad. I mean, we've all moved on to West Mandeval.

[Jackson Claude]

We really have. Like, this is so old, but, like,

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

this was the craziest thing that ever happened.

[Jackson Claude]

And if I'm Taylor, Frankie, Paul, and I'm praying, I'm also, like, thanking the Lord for Amanda Batula's bad decisions. Right. Like, how much longer would the Salama thing. We were still in the thick of it when Scamandival, you know, West Mandible. I can never say the name right when. Because. Because the thing is, Jackie, I know, like, you have branded it West Mandeval, but, like, the Internet is calling it Scamanda.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

That doesn't work. They can call it Scamandal if they want.

[Jackson Claude]

Scamandival.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Scamandal. It's a scandal of Amanda, a Scamandal, but you can't call it Scamanda because that sounds like she's a fraudster.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, she kind of is. We were very much in the thick of it when this command of all happened. So I think a lot of the other Mormon wives, like, are annoyed that their light has been stolen. Like, I think Jesse's definitely annoyed, and she's, like, bending over backwards with Marciano and then, like, also making. Did you see? She, like, posted it, like, yeah, being like, I'm making bad decisions. This is hard. I. Like, sure, whatever. I think a lot of the girls were, like, like, you know, benefiting from the scandal, but now it's Summer House's turn.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. I still can't believe Amanda did that. Like, I. I actually can't. Like, I'm. I. I'm. I'll be curious to hear from her at the reunion because, like, right now, she doesn't feel like a real person to me. Like, someone who we've watched on tv, like, make a decent amount of sense. Everybody. Like, she wasn't a crazy individual.

[Jackson Claude]

Everybody loved her.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Like. Like, she seemed, like, somewhat, like, reasonable. Whatever.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, she's a normal girl.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

How. Like, I'll be very curious to hear what she has to say, because right now, she just seems like such a caricature of a person that would do something like this.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, everything we've known about her has been A lie. Right. Because she is this sort of, like, devious. And now we're all looking back on things like, maybe you are this hidden, mean girl. So it's like, who are you even?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. And I'll just wonder who she, like, shows up as and like, like who she's, how she's gonna talk.

[Jackson Claude]

Her decisions have been so poor. I know.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

It was such a poor decision. That's just dawning on me. The fact that her and Wes released a joint statement.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

That is so crazy. Not only was the statement shite, you couldn't even write two of them.

[Jackson Claude]

And as far as I know, they had had no prior communication with Sierra. Like, she read the statement and that's why she broke down on the street. She wasn't breaking down because it was the first time, you know, she heard about them as a couple.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Seriously, what sort of crazy, stupid lunatic puts out that statement before you've spoken to the person that you heard about it? Like, how stupid do you have to be? I, I, it's, I'm in disbelief. That's why I actually want to hear from her, because I'm still holding space. That a person is not that stupid.

[Jackson Claude]

Not only that. What kind of person puts out, like a joint statement, really burns their whole life to the ground, Friendships, relationships, reputation, without knowing for sure that the guy is not seeing other people?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

No, that's why, like, Claudia, I'm telling you, I'm.

[Jackson Claude]

There's a, there's an element of unbelievability because it's so unbelievable.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And so I'm like, waiting. I'm not just like, like, because I, I, maybe I'm in denial, but I just don't believe that someone could be so stupid, short sighted, self destructive and self indulgent. Yeah, I really just don't. So I'm really, that's why I need the reunion.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm very curious what the numbers will be. How many people watched the Scandival reunion? How many viewers did the Vanderpump Rules reunion have during the Scandival scandal?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Scandal. Scandal.

[Jackson Claude]

They did not know. Scandival scandal, Val, because I think this will probably have more or, I don't know. Skinny Ball was so big.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I don't think this will have more.

[Jackson Claude]

So the part one of the reunion, which was aired in 2023, had around 4.6 million viewers across all, you know, peacock and everything. It became the most watched Bravo episode of any show in over nine years. The highest, obviously, in Vanderpump history. The season finale right before that had about 4.1 million viewers.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

The reason why I don't think it will have more viewers is one, I think Pump Rules was a more popular show than Summer House.

[Jackson Claude]

Yes.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I think that even though people watch Vanderpump Rules in the beginning and maybe didn't watch the following seasons, still knew Tom and the characters. And then Raquel is a random. But like that there was a third person.

[Jackson Claude]

What's the most watched Bravo episode in history?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And if you even watch the beginning episodes of Summer House, you don't know who Sierra west and.

[Jackson Claude]

Right.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

You may know Amanda. But like, you have to really be watching the last two seasons to know who these people are. And you actually have to be watching to understand why it's a big deal that like Amanda is hooking up with like her friend, ex boyfriend of six months.

[Jackson Claude]

So Skate of all Reunion is the most watched Bravo episode ever. And then before that, Bravo Spago's episodes were typically the Real Housewives of Atlanta reunions, especially during the Nene leaks years. That's like a slay on nene's part.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure, like table flipping is in there for sure. Even though nobody knew that was going to happen at the time. Like, so it didn't get viewers live.

[Jackson Claude]

It probably has like a lot of like views on YouTube.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. It might be like their most viral moments.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Are you ready for our third story?

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Chloe Feynman is.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh my God.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Facing backlash. And Vanity Fair faces scrutiny over editing controversial Chloe Feynman video about her pantsing a six year old boy at summer camp. So Chloe Feynman and her SNL co stars, like, did some video for Vanity Fair and she wound up telling a story about how she got fired from working at a.

[Jackson Claude]

It was like, what job has you ever been fired for? And she was like, summer camp. What happened?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

As a teenager she said that she had like pantsed one of the campers. And the video that Vanity Fair put out, she like tells the story and they cut out like a lot of the cast members reactions and details from the story. Some of the like really cringy details.

[Jackson Claude]

And the unedited version has now come to light.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Now the edit, the raw footage has come to light. Her cast members are like very much like shook by the story she's telling. And the story is even worse for her in the way that she's telling it like about.

[Jackson Claude]

So she says that like she got fired because she ended up pantsing this boy who was six years old. And when she pantsed him, he didn't have any underwear. On and a school bus drove by. So, like, all these kids saw his penis. And not only is that, like, just a disturbing story, the more details she adds, like, talking how, you know, he wasn't wearing underwear, so his little ding a ling was just disgusting.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

The way she's telling the story. The. The fact that she's telling the story.

[Jackson Claude]

And then also that she had, like, a weird relationship with this camper because every time she would see him, you know, she would ask for a hug and he would lift her shirt up.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

He would, like, ask her for. He would be like, hey, can I have a hug? And then she'd go to hug him and he'd lift his shirt up. So that's why she wound up panting him. Like, the story, like, aside. Because, you know, also when you're cam counselor, like, you're also, like, young and

[Jackson Claude]

stupid, like, it could be explained away. Like, the way she's telling it is so weird.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. And the fact that she's telling it and the. The d. And the fact that she doesn't, like, see now that maybe, like, that's not something that you should share. And so then her cast members are like, that's. Are you on some list? Like, and they. Vanity Fair cut that out. So not only did they cut out the story a little bit to make Chloe look better by taking out some of, like, the weird ways she describes the incident and the jokeiness, but also, if I were the cast members, I'd be mad that they cut out our reaction.

[Jackson Claude]

Me being shocked.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

It looks like we're just like, oh, yeah, pants a six year old.

[Jackson Claude]

That's our friend Chloe.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Dingling.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

So everyone's getting backlash for this. I think. Rightfully so.

[Jackson Claude]

Chloe Feynman is weird. She's like a Scientologist. Like, she's weird.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

This is just like, totally, like, I don't know what the word.

[Jackson Claude]

Not funny.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Not funny. I hate the word. Like, tone deaf.

[Jackson Claude]

But, like, I know it's just weird when these things happen because, like, you know, how many people were in the room at the time? Chloe's publicist, you know, always looking out for your talent. The editors, the social media managers. So many people, like, saw this before it went live. And that one person was like, this is a weird story. Let's just cut it.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Well, you know. Yeah, but the thing is, like, someone thought something because they cut out some of it. So they did realize that and either cut all of it or at least put all of it in so that, like, we can see that the other cast members, like, realize that this is a weird story to tell. Like, why are you protecting her from like keeping out like the worst sound bites from the story? It's not a good look.

[Jackson Claude]

Definitely making the other people look bad.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, I would be pissed if I was like outraged at the story and then they cut that out and then I look like I'm just sitting there like, oh yeah, classic pants and kids.

[Jackson Claude]

No. Weird.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, really weird.

[Jackson Claude]

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[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

You. You. You may.

[Jackson Claude]

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[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I'll feed the turt session if that's okay.

[Jackson Claude]

That definitely works for me.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Our next story. Haley Bieber is teasing a new road launch alongside her husband Justin. Body Rock ahead of his new I

[Jackson Claude]

want to see your body rock.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

What you got

[Jackson Claude]

a billion could have never bought. That's definitely Justin Bieber's best song.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Beauty and the Beat.

[Jackson Claude]

It's just unfortunate that he can never sing it because you got to keep

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

an eye out for Selener.

[Jackson Claude]

She just sort of like made it, you know, it's a time capsule for sure. But she made it unplayable in the Bieber household. That must be hard for Haley.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

They should put out a remix and change it.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I get like a new, like, you could have Nikki come back and do a new verse or like a different rapper that Justin's friends with. Like something.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Gotta keep an eye out for Haley.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, that was definitely like.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

But like Selena, like, that has been so core to who I am.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I think that's why I say er with everything.

[Jackson Claude]

And it was definitely a feat in music like songwriting.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

You know, it's like, oh, Selena doesn't rhyme, but Selener does.

[Jackson Claude]

I think that it definitely changed the course of like, history and she should be put in the songwriting hall of fame for just that one thing.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

It changed the course of my life. Sabrina Taylor.

[Jackson Claude]

But I gotta keep an eye out for Selener anyways. I wanna feel your body rock.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Sally and just Justin are launching like a Bieber and you got to keep an eye out for Selener.

[Jackson Claude]

They're launching a collab.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

The collab for Road seems to be Pimple patches. Road ex.

[Jackson Claude]

Seems like a natural next step for Haley. Skincare brand. No.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, okay. I thought you were going to disagree.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

No, I was going to ask you a question.

[Jackson Claude]

And Justin is, like, known for leaving the house like paparazzi in his star pimple patches, so, you know. Yeah, I love it.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

What are your thoughts on people leaving the house in pimple patches? Like, they're, you know, a lipstick.

[Jackson Claude]

So I think it was started in earnest. Like, you know, we shouldn't be afraid of our pimples. And, like, it's annoying. Like, if I have 12 hours to kill before an event and I want the pimple to go down and I'm, like, going out to lunch. Like. Yeah. I do think, like, people have taken it really too far. Like, showing up to business conferences with, like, a purple star pimple patch on their face.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Or, like, work or. I don't know. Like, I think I'd rather stare at a pimple patch and, like, a big white pimple.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

You think so? It's never, like, a big white pimple. And I don't notice. Like, I just think it's a really crazy thing to do, like, outside of, you know, running a quick errand or, like, going to the airport, that seems like a good place for a pimple patch. Like, I don't. I'm not loving the trend of just really normalizing them in everyday life. Or do, like, one of the clear ones and, like, sort of blend it into your skin, but, like, like, to just be like, hey, I have a zit. I think it's so crazy.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I know what you're referencing, because we did recently eat out at a restaurant, and one of the staff members was wearing a pimple patch.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And you know what?

[Jackson Claude]

At least for me, like, from a hygiene standpoint, like, the pimple was covered. Like, I'm all good, but it is this sort of, you know, like, so full of it.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

You thought it was crazy, too.

[Jackson Claude]

I think that, you know, when we look back, like, how people used to get dressed up for the airport. Right.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

By the way, I'm the first one to say, don't dress up for the airport until they make flying a humane experience again.

[Jackson Claude]

Agree.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

You can wear your pajamas, but I

[Jackson Claude]

think it does speak to the overall, you know, deterioration of how people look in public. Right. When you compare it to, like, people used to leave the house in, like, a petticoat, a corset, and a ball gown, you know, and now, literally, you're wearing a pimple patch on your face. So, yeah, it's Crazy.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

So it's crazy. I would say, like, it's a. It's a trend in the wrong direction.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, I think it's cute. Like, I think teenagers wear it to school. Like, I think that's cute.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I think that that can be cute because also, like, teenagers have acne. Acne, probably.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm not gonna come out with a blanket statement saying whether I think it's good or bad, you have to give me the circumstance, and I'll tell you if it's appropriate.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Okay. But I'm not talking about teenagers, just so you know.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I think that's a cute way for, like, teenagers to deal with their hormonal acne.

[Jackson Claude]

And I think that Haley Bieber now, like, entering the convo with Justin, like, giving it the stamp of approval. Like, it's only going to get worse. So Gerger Loins.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I feel like, like, some people are wearing them, and they don't even have a bad pimple.

[Jackson Claude]

Absolutely not even.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Nothing but that people just will put them on anything. Just, like, because it's.

[Jackson Claude]

If they had pimple patches, like, as a part of the trends. When I was in high school and I had that mole on my face, like, you bet your ass. I was wearing a pimple patch to school every day.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. Yeah. Not talking about, like, kids and who

[Jackson Claude]

are just doing it for attention.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

No. And, like, they are insecurities. And I also, like, have more acne. Not that adults don't have acne, but, like, that's just part of the era

[Jackson Claude]

where you have more people and you're

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

also, like, more insecure because you're a kid.

[Jackson Claude]

Can we talk about the fact that we got reality Actives? We got pr.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I got real active activities. And the. The packaging is so the. The bottles are just.

[Jackson Claude]

By the way, for anybody who doesn't know, we got Alex Earl skincare brand Real Actives. But of course, because we are us, it's Reale Actives.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Have you used it yet? And I'm also a little confused. Like, am I okay to use it as a sensitive swirly that doesn't have an acne problem? I have other problems.

[Jackson Claude]

You are. I haven't used it yet because, like, I have. I currently have, like, open products. I'm not, like, opening more than one cleanser. You know what I mean?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I would maybe do the, like. I feel like the makeup bomb. I've never really used a makeup bomb. I want to try that, and I feel like that's just a regular makeup on. But, like, the other thing that has, you know, and everyone's with the shea butter. And, like, it has the, like, the maya pole, that 8%. And everyone. It's so funny how everyone knows, like, every detail of her ingredients, like, and

[Jackson Claude]

everybody's suddenly an esthetician.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. Oh, this at 8%.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, okay. Yeah. I will use it, like, the next time I need a new cleansing balm, you know? But I'm currently using a pack of Neutrogena, and that's just the phase that I'm at, and I don't want to hear it.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I'm at a fucking disposable wipe face, period. If that makes me, like, a forever millennial, I don't care. What are you guys doing? What? Washcloths abound.

[Jackson Claude]

So I, for, like, three years, switched to cotton pads and miceler water. Not for the environment, because cotton pads are also now, like, it's a disposable cotton pad. But I felt like it was a more effective way of getting my skin care. Excuse me. My makeup off. And I do stand by, like, the Garnier micellar water and a cotton pad, like, is the best way to get your makeup off, especially if you wear, like, a waterproof mascara. But, like, it's two products. You know, a makeup pack of makeup wipes. I buy, you know, a pack of five, and I'm set for a year.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

The makeup wipes, like, they leave me wanting for nothing. Wanting nothing.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I have no issue with them.

[Jackson Claude]

And I know. I know they're bad. Like, ingredient. Like, I know, but I don't care.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I accidentally buy the fragrance ones, and those stink.

[Jackson Claude]

Purple?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

No, even blue. Some of them are fragrance. Purple is a different fragrance. That's like a nighttime one.

[Jackson Claude]

I kind of like them.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And then I'm, like, walking around, I'm

[Jackson Claude]

like, who's in my house?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I'm like, oh, it's my face.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Who's this stunk in my house?

[Jackson Claude]

I like the purple.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Oh, crazy.

[Jackson Claude]

Sometimes I get, like, a little crazy.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. And what about the teal? Not the blue? You ever do the. No.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, no. Never teal. Like, I just feel like they try. Speaking of, like, things. They tried to cancel. They tried to cancel, and I got on board. Like, I switched for years, and I'm sorry. Like, good is good.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Good is great. The first two days that I was in Dallas, I didn't have Neutrogena makeup wipes. And let me tell you, when I finally got my hands on one.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I could breathe, like, oh, my God, like, trying to scrape off my makeup in the shower.

[Jackson Claude]

Like a.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Do you remember those Makeup wipes that were circles that we used to use like. Like in our camp days. Like, they came in at circular tin.

[Jackson Claude]

They were also Neutrogena.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

No, I feel like they were. I don't remember the brand, but they were, like, allure. Best of beauty.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, no, no. They were also Neutrogena, but they were just for your eyes. Like, but you did the whole.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I guess that was, like, when we were kids and we just wore eye makeup because we didn't wear makeup because

[Jackson Claude]

we didn't have, like, pimples or anything.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

But, like, those were pretty good.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

But now.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm sorry if it ain't broke.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. But I'll try cleansing. Mom.

[Jackson Claude]

For.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

For.

[Jackson Claude]

Mostly for Sally, I've done a cleansing balm. It's actually a very effective also way. But, like, then you have to splash water on your face, and then, like,

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

my whole shirt's wet, and then I have to go stain my towel by, like, getting.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, right, exactly.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And then I have, like, black dots and an orange towel and. Am I washing the towel every day? I'm not using that again.

[Jackson Claude]

I guess, like, a good way to do it is to, like, get in the shower after. Like. Oh, yeah. Like, do it right before you shower.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Walk into the shower with your eyes closed.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, naked and afraid.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

What are you guys doing?

[Jackson Claude]

Neutrogena for life.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[Jackson Claude]

I am.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Some tea from the 90s. Word on the street is that Carolyn Bassett had a feud with Gwyneth Paltrow during her. During her Calvin Klein years.

[Jackson Claude]

I'll wait. I'm obsessed.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

So reportedly, Carolyn Bessette was not a fan of Gwyneth Paltrow, who she encountered working for Calvin Klein. The author Amy Odell wrote in Gwyneth the Biography. So this woman has written a biography out, Gwen is saying. One of the publicists on the brand's small team who helped Gwyneth at the fashion house was Carolyn Bessette. According to one person familiar with her thinking, Gwyneth irked her when there were pictures of Gwyneth in the papers. Bessette, who viewed Gwyneth as, quote, little Miss Perfect, would make cutting remarks about her.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, my God, she was obsessed

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

at the time. Like, when it was 26, there was, like, an incident at the Calvin Klein Chance the show. Everyone else is, like, sitting in traffic, waiting in lines, and, like, she was literally, like, helicoptered into the show and, like, walked to the front row.

[Jackson Claude]

Sorry. So jealous.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And it was not that even, like, she demanded it. She was also, like, pretty Quiet and just like, sorry, all the Gwyneth Paltrow

[Jackson Claude]

hate is so forced. Carolyn Bessette included. Like, sorry, you're jealous. Carolyn, Gwyneth Paltrow, like, has always been that girl. She was born that girl. She evolved into that girl. She is, like, you know, sunsetting into retirement as that girl. Everyone's so jealous of her. Even Carolyn Bessette, like, the girl, you know, who everyone wanted to be. She wanted to be Gwyneth. It makes sense.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Also, I feel like it's another situation like Paige and Morgz, where it's like, if they're not friends, if they weren't from the time, like, then there was beef because they should have been friends. They are really similar. Both really, like, iconic and classy and similar sense of style. So, like, if they. And if they were, like, always in the same orbit with, like, Gwyneth being a Calvin girl and they didn't like Kiki, that's because they hated each other.

[Jackson Claude]

Absolutely.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Team Gwyneth.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Oh, for sure.

[Jackson Claude]

For sure.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. I feel like this show has, like, not. I mean, ultimately, it's probably been good for counting on the sets legacy. So many people are talking about her,

[Jackson Claude]

knowing her, but, no, I think it's also been, like, enormous justice for her in the way that she died. But in terms of her and, like, her style, like, her being, like, so effortless. But, like, if you looked at the. If you watch the show with a keen eye, like, like, they made her come off annoying and rude.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I feel like now I feel like once when they died, and ever since then, it's like, no one ever said anything remotely negative about them. Like, it was such a tragedy what happened to them. They were such an iconic couple and, like, that's it, period. But now that, like, her personality is, like, coming back into the conversation. Like, people are, like, saying, like, crazy things about her whether or not they're true. And I just sort of feel like what was once, like, an untarnished legacy, like. Like, no one spoke. Like, now people are, like, saying stuff, and I don't know that that's been necessarily good and that.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, that's also annoying because the personality that they gave her, like, they just made up. Nobody really knows what she was. Like. She was enormously private.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. But even, like, people who are saying they knew what she was like and she used to, you know, do this and that, like, it's not good. Whereas before, no one said anything bad.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. I thought the show was ultimately bad for the legacy of John F. Kennedy Jr. Like, killing those two girls.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Thinking he could fly a plane without a pilot. Like, who do you think you are? And he was a bad husband. And like, I read rumors that he did cheat on her. I also read rumors that she continued her relationship with her ex boyfriend, like, well into their marriage.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Right. But no one was saying that before this show is what I'm saying.

[Jackson Claude]

Of course. Right. It's also kind of like Princess Diana.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Until the crown. Like, I feel like her legacy was untouchable, but the crown, like, there's some weird stuff in there. And, like, people, like, whisper about it before just, like, in terms of her.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

But you couldn't say it.

[Jackson Claude]

You couldn't say because, like, who tragedy left behind two young boys, like, period. Looking, taking a deeper look at her personal life. In the crowd, it was like. Well, I don't think this person was necessarily, like, Sound of Mind.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. Well, those are stories.

[Jackson Claude]

I want to say something that you

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

don't want to do. Tear Toasters. Are you going to push it?

[Jackson Claude]

I do want to do Dear Toasters. We should do it tomorrow. But because, like, the episode's long and I want to get it up.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I'm always with you, but we have to do it today or else, like, obviously.

[Jackson Claude]

Obviously. No.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I would never have to sleep with one eye open.

[Jackson Claude]

Welcome to Dear Toasters, our usual weekly advice segment where Jackie and I try to help out our community. You know, you guys always show up for us streaming, getting us in the charts. We want to give back. You know, this is a philanthropic segment. We want to help out our girls in need. So if you ever wanted advice from us, write to us dear toasters gmail.com or head to our website, thetoastpodcast.com to get a little advice from us right in about relationships, work stuff, drama, and your bachelorette group, you know, whatever. Ready?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yep.

[Jackson Claude]

These are the ones I chose for last week, so I don't really remember them.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

That's good, though. You'll have, like. You'll be surprised. That's always fun.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, okay. This was weird. My sister, who's 31, mentioned to me that her husband, who's also 31, has been getting on her nerves. She mentions that he constantly hawks up a loogie in her house, to which I responded, that's really gross. But it got worse. She said, he'll spit it right after into the dirty clothes bin because, as he says, it'll all get washed after. Please, for the love of God, tell me that this is diabolical and grounds for divorce. Thanks. Love you. Bye.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

That's diabolical. Now, here's the thing. Like. Like, I guess he's, like, not wrong all in all.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, it's not unhygienic. It's just so weird.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Crazy.

[Jackson Claude]

It's kind of like, I guess, like. Like putting a dirty diaper in, like, the kitchen garbage. Like, it's gonna get taken out later.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

No, Claudia is different.

[Jackson Claude]

Who thinks like that? Like, I'm actually. I just think that's actually a crazy way for someone's brain to work.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. There's so much.

[Jackson Claude]

I don't have a problem with the act, I guess. No. But. No, I do.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

There are so many places you could spit. It's, like, disrespectful to, like, spit on your things when there's plenty. And, like, the dirty clothes bin is, like, in the corner of the room. In the bathroom. Like, first of all, if you're in the bathroom, spit in the sink. Spit in the toilet.

[Jackson Claude]

Sink, toilet, shower.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

So I feel like he's going out of his way. Because if you're in the kitchen, where is he spitting? Like, spit in the sink. Spit in the trash. Why? What? You're walking and, like, are you then

[Jackson Claude]

going to go, like, spit. If you're in your. You know, you have to hock a loogie and you're putting the kid to bed. You're putting it in your kid's hamper.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Like, they have, like, a literal diaper pail right next to it.

[Jackson Claude]

I've seen. I. Like, I have so many questions as to how we got.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I just feel like, all in all, it's a personality flaw because I feel like he's doing it for attention. Like, hey, agreed. And, yeah, it all goes. So what? Put all your meal in a blender. It all goes to the same place, right?

[Jackson Claude]

Put in a feeding tube while you're at it.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Like, I just think he's trying to be cool and, like, irreverent, and it's really nasty.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Not to make this a bigger deal than it is, but he sounds just like an awful person.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. And you might want to check that.

[Jackson Claude]

And there's actually something a little queer about. No, I'm kidding. Hey, Jackson. Turd girly swirlies. I have a dilemma. For context, my husband has epilepsy, and I'm a very, very heavy sleeper. So a couple of nights ago, I randomly woke up in the middle of the night because the bed was shaking like an earthquake. I was very disoriented, and my first thought was, oh, my God, my husband's having a seizure in his sleep. I look over. He's completely wrapped in the blanket, like, fully cocooned with a lot of movement going on underneath. At this point, I get into full emergency panic mode. So I yank the covers off of him as fast as I can to help. To help him, and I find out that he's very much not having a seizure. He's on his phone watching adult content on mute. And he was just. And let's just say he was very close to crossing the finish line of a solo activity. He absolutely thought I was asleep for. He jumps up and looks completely shocked. He screams. I screamed. And then we both just roll over, go back to sleep. No words, nothing at all. The issue is, it's been days. We have not acknowledged it at all. Not even a joke. It's like it never happened, except I think about it constantly and I can't stop laughing to myself. Do I bring it up? Do I pretend it never happened? Please help. Sincerely, a woman who thought she was saving her husband's life.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Bring it up because you can't stop thinking about it. And, like, that's your husband. You should be able to talk to him about whatever. And it's like, just bring it up and have a laugh and move on.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Not to make, like, obviously a bigger deal out of it. Like, it's probable that he, like, just couldn't sleep and, like, maybe it was gay porn. No, no, that's not what I was gonna say, but good question. What type of porn was it? Like, was he watching in secret? Was he watching in secret because it was, like, bad porn?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

No, but he wasn't watching in secret. He was right. Watching right next to you.

[Jackson Claude]

Was it ethically sourced he was watching

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

right next to you?

[Jackson Claude]

No, of course. What I was gonna say was, though, like, was he hiding to see if, like, a porn problem? That's, like, the only thing where this could be bad other than that. That if he just, like, needed to go to sleep and couldn't fall asleep and just need to blow off some steam, like, fine. I think a lot of people do that. But I need to know if this is, like, a porn problem. But I guess if it was a real porn problem, he wouldn't be doing it right next to you.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And I think you can just bring it up.

[Jackson Claude]

It's funny. Like, not talking about it makes it weird, right?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Of course. You could just be like, by the way, I legit thought you were having a seizure the other night. Like, that was just so crazy. Lol.

[Jackson Claude]

Just being like, wait, I totally forgot until right now. Like that crazy thing that happened, you screaming at him. Screaming does remind me of the time that Ben walked in on me on the toilet in the pitch black. And like, it. It was in the middle of the night and I screamed at the top

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

of my lungs and then he screamed

[Jackson Claude]

and it happened twice. One time when I was pregnant and I really hurt my knee because I fell. I was like. I literally was like. It took my breath away. I collapsed.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

You guys should get like, little lights, you know?

[Jackson Claude]

We did actually in the other apartment where the first one happened, but we. I just didn't put it on. How is our new bathroom laid out? There's a window actually in the new bathroom and it's very bright, so he wouldn't be able to scare me.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Okay, that's good. You guys, like, can't be trusted to live together.

[Jackson Claude]

It's so true. So to the girl, like, definitely bring it up because now you have like a weird secret in your marriage. And like, the secret is what makes it weird. The situation. The situation is just funny.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

It is.

[Jackson Claude]

Hey, girlies. Am I overreacting? I went out to dinner the other night with a girl, so my husband was in charge of doing baby evening and bedtime routine. Feeding dinner, which is basically bottle bath bed. I'm pretty particular about the schedule and routine, so I typically do bedtime on a normal night. So my husband honestly doesn't do it that much, which I'm fine with because I like doing the cuddles. That being said, my baby is sleep trained and she goes to sleep on her own pretty easily these days. While I was out to dinner, I saw on the monitor that she was having more issues than normal. I thought it was nothing until she woke up crying again at 3am, which she really doesn't do that much anymore. When I went in to check on her, I picked her up and she was soaking wet. I immediately realized that my husband did not put a diaper on her and she was soiling herself at night. Luckily it was just pee, but I was furious.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Any diaper on?

[Jackson Claude]

How could you be so stupid? Did. Am I overreacting? Was this just overlooked after bath time and a mistake on his part, or am I valid and thinking he's absolutely ridiculous and he obviously needs to do more on his end with the baby.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Oh my God.

[Jackson Claude]

So sometimes you do just like forget to do something like, so obvious. I feel like it's never like the diaper, but it's like, oh, I didn't moisturize his legs. You know, like things like you just completely Forget about the diaper is sort of like an essential for a baby.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

If you didn't do the sleep sack.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Sometimes you're like, oh, my God, I

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

forgot to put the sleep on. Yeah. Yeah. Or like, I thought you were going to say he didn't change. Like, he gave the baby a bottle and then didn't change the baby once more. So, like, the diaper was just super wet. Forgivable. Not putting on a diaper on a baby is crazy. But, like, I. What I.

[Jackson Claude]

But also, like, no underwear. So, like, the baby just had, like, went commando in a onesie. Like, did he not think that was weird?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Baby. But you're saying baby and sleep train. So it's giving, like.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, it's giving, like, a year.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. Under a year. So, yeah, that's really crazy. But what I will say is, like, when you go out, things aren't going to be done your way. And, like, as long as. Like, when you get home, like, you can. Like, so the baby woke up at three and that's when you discovered it. So you got to go out and, you know, Jackie.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, my God. No, I'm sorry. The bar is in hell. I understand. In particular.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

That's what I said. What I was gonna say. The diaper. The fact that there's not a diaper on a baby is the craziest thing I ever heard. Hurt. But, like, in general, like, yeah, of course it's not gonna.

[Jackson Claude]

It might be 20 minutes later, 20 minutes early. Yeah, of course. And I'm sorry.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

This is not that, you know, maybe you expect. Maybe fall asleep on their own. Maybe he's rocking the baby. You know, things aren't going to happen the way that you want them to happen. Like, people will get it done, and then when you're home, you can.

[Jackson Claude]

No, this is negligent, but this is. This man does not spend enough time with his baby.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

That's really insane. A diaper on a baby. That's kind of like the only thing I can't.

[Jackson Claude]

I can't imagine a person who has spent five minutes with a baby getting him changed or her change, and putting the baby naked into a onesie, like, feels normal. Like, that's insane. That's a real lack of experience.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

You know what it sounds like? Sounds like you got to start going out more. Like he needs some more solo training.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. I guess it's like, if he can just remember the diaper, like, everything else is okay, you know?

[Jackson Claude]

No, because I'm trying to think if

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

there's anything else aside from, like, Feeding the child. Anything else that, like, literally you have to do. Like, you don't have to do the sleep sack, right?

[Jackson Claude]

No, the food and the diaper is essential.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. I guess they have gotten a.

[Jackson Claude]

He's not an essential worker.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

They have to be wearing pajamas. But if they were wearing a sleep sack and no pajamas, that would be weird. But, like, they could sleep.

[Jackson Claude]

Not. Not crazy. I wouldn't. I wouldn't be worried about the state of your husband. If he put. Sometimes, when, like, it's warm outside, I'll, like, put Ruby and just an undershirt.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

I would say the lights have to be off.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Look at. Look at what we're saying now. Like, the bar has been lowered so sufficiently that we're worried about him turning actually the other night. So in Ruby's room, when you walk in, there's, like, a hallway and then the room.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Okay.

[Jackson Claude]

And there's two light switches, one for the room and one for the hallway. And I turned. I put Ruby down. Like, sometimes you forget to put the sound machine on. That's like.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

That's not as important as the lights.

[Jackson Claude]

So I put Ruby down. I put the. I turned the light off in his room, and he took, like, 20 minutes to fall asleep. I'm like. And he was so tired. I'm like, I wonder why. Like, maybe he was having, like, you know, belly issues or whatever. And then, like, 10 minutes later, I realized I forgot the bottle. So I went back into the room to grab the bottle so I could wash it. He was fully asleep. And I realized I left the hall light on. And I was like. Like, it was like, something. So I was like, ah, I'm. But not an essential.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

But it was like.

[Jackson Claude]

It was basically like having a big nightlight on.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. Not an essential, but so I would say diaper is. There are only a couple things that are super essential.

[Jackson Claude]

So you need to go out.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

You need to reiterate to him for sleep.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. That's really messed up.

[Jackson Claude]

This is bad.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

You need to make him feel sufficiently bad about it for sure.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. You're not. And you're also not overreacting. And I get you're, like, a control freak, but, like, at a certain stage, like, when a baby's. He can. Can and should be left alone with his father. Father.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Because we skipped last week, and I do have, like, one remaining quick, little funny one that's about us. It's about us. Hey, sir. Lace. Recently, my husband's getting really. Sorry. Hey, swirlies. Recently, my husband has been getting more into My interest, to show that he cares. And he has started becoming obsessed with the toast. He now listens on his own and is using words like pargy. And he calls me a swirly. At first, I adored it. Such queenie behavior, I thought. But it's become an ick now. And I even hear him saying it with his guy friend. Is my husband. Don't make you say it gay. So I know that we do have some. Some few straight male listeners, but straight

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

male listeners who didn't come here, like, with their wives and girlfriends.

[Jackson Claude]

No, a lot of them got here. They were dropped off by a wag.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And, like, do they go then in their own car and listen? No, they, like, don't mind when the wife puts it on.

[Jackson Claude]

I don't know that this is the case, but I feel like if you grew up in a house with, like, a lot of sisters and, like, loud women, you might find comfort in this show. Like, if you live across the country from your. I'm just, like, hypothesizing. No.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

And also, if you want to connect, like, with your partner and this is what they're interested in. This is how they speak. Like, it's a. It's a nice gesture, like, to have.

[Jackson Claude]

Is there something inherently gay about being interested in pop culture? I think so.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Oh, interesting. But it's like when our husbands watch Housewives with us.

[Jackson Claude]

With us.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Right. But, like, say you found Ben.

[Jackson Claude]

If I came home, like, you'd just

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

be like, oh, wow, he really liked this season.

[Jackson Claude]

I would actually, like, be endeared to it. It's never happened, I don't think. But he does say, like, is there new Housewives tonight? Is that so that we could watch it together?

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Is that gay?

[Jackson Claude]

I don't think that's gay.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Right. I don't think your husband is gay. I think he just, like, is a really good husband. And I'm sorry that we're actually, like, so amazing.

[Jackson Claude]

And you think.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

You think that this is something for the girls. Like, on the surface, it is, but there's no reason why, like, a straight man who loves his wife, like, wouldn't enjoy this. Like, our husbands would love this show.

[Jackson Claude]

And I think a lot of men, like, genuinely in their belief, they're not misogynist at all, but they really believe that, like, girls cannot be funny. And so even sometimes I'll find people being like, oh, like, when I do meets and stuff, the husband's like, you know, I actually listen. Like, it was actually funny. Like, so the fact that this guy, like, has no. What's the word I'm looking for, like

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

preconceived notion.

[Jackson Claude]

No, it's like a dumber word than that. Like shame, whatever. Sure. Let's say biases. He sounds like an amazing guy.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, he does. And he just wants to be close to you. And that's funny, I guess.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, it's him coming up with the boys being like, this beer is pary, man. I love it.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

We're for everyone.

[Jackson Claude]

No. And that's like how we get our language, like our weird, steamy language to become more ubiquitous. So send this episode to your husband. Okay.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, I love it.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm glad we did that.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Yeah, same. I can't see my clock, so I don't know how long we've been here.

[Jackson Claude]

Hour 20.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Nafi.

[Jackson Claude]

Thank you guys so much. Listen to the toast Monday morning show where we listen. Thank you guys so much for listening.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

We listen and learn.

[Jackson Claude]

We do. To the best side Stories Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching this on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe. Give us video thumbs up. Also balls. Podcasting. Podcasting. Fans of Spotify public radio castbox, all the places I visit podcast financial about how beautiful sounding and wickedly talented we are.

[Jacqueline Bowleigh]

Love ya. Bye.

[Jackson Claude]

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