Dreams Coming True with Keke Palmer: Tuesday, November 19th, 2024

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast – "Dreams Coming True with Keke Palmer"

Host/Author: Dear Media
Episode Title: Dreams Coming True with Keke Palmer
Release Date: November 19, 2024

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Introduction

In this special episode of The Toast, hosts Jackie and Claudia Oshry celebrate a significant milestone by welcoming their dream guest, Keke Palmer. After months of anticipation and careful planning, Keke Palmer finally joins them to discuss her multifaceted career, her journey from child stardom, and her new book, Master of Me.

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Fast Five Stories

1. John Stamos Shows Solidarity with Dave Coulier

Timestamp: [19:20]

John Stamos, a beloved Full House cast member, faced backlash on social media for donning a bald cap to show solidarity with his friend Dave Coulier, who is battling stage three non-Hodgkin lymphoma. Jackie remarks, “This is the most Hollywood thing ever,” highlighting the sometimes surreal ways celebrities express support. Claudia adds, “[John] puts on that bald cap, and I'm like, John Stamos should be shaving his head,” emphasizing the unexpected nature of his gesture.

2. Sabrina Carpenter’s Concert Sparks Speculation

Timestamp: [19:58]

Sabrina Carpenter’s recent concert in LA became a hot topic when exes John Mayer and Katy Perry were spotted interacting in the VIP section. Jackie shares her nostalgia, “One of the happiest times I've ever been was when John Mayer was dating Katy Perry,” while Claudia speculates on the dynamics, suggesting John might have a crush on Sabrina. The hosts discuss the complexities of celebrity relationships, with Jackie noting, “She is always a little older than you think she's going to be.”

3. Pete Davidson Enters Rehab Again

Timestamp: [33:07]

Comedy star Pete Davidson checked into rehab for the second time this year following a secret relationship with The Bachelor alum Maria Georgia. Claudia expresses concern, “He's a perfect example of how fame can be destructive,” and Jackie hopes for his successful recovery, stating, “I hope that this is the most effective treatment.”

4. Cynthia Riva’s Awkward Interview Moment

Timestamp: [35:17]

Actress Cynthia Riva appeared on Armchair Expert, where host Dax Shepard awkwardly inquired if her talon nails interfered with her bathroom routine. Cynthia handled the situation gracefully, clarifying, “I’m annoyed by it,” and humorously responding, “Nobody uses just their fingers to wipe their backside.” Claudia appreciates her composure, remarking, “She handled it,” and Jackie adds, “I've gotten really long acrylic nails and can attest to Cynthia’s solution.”

5. Carrie Underwood’s Concert Special on Hulu

Timestamp: [41:09]

Carrie Underwood is set to release a concert special, Reflection, on Hulu in January, showcasing her Las Vegas residency. Jackie and Claudia express excitement, with Jackie stating, “I love concert movies, and this is exactly what I needed,” while Claudia emphasizes the demand for more concert specials, “We need more of these.”

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Main Interview: Keke Palmer

Keke’s Journey and New Book

Timestamp: [48:29]

Keke Palmer joins Jackie and Claudia to discuss her extensive career and her latest book, Master of Me. She reflects on turning 30 and becoming a mother, sharing how these life changes have brought her peace and a new perspective. Keke explains, “Age is nothing but a number, but turning 30 gave me new revelations and a stronger sense of self.”

Navigating Child Stardom

Timestamp: [55:26]

Keke delves into her experiences as a child actor with both Disney and Nickelodeon. She praises Disney’s immersive storytelling and supportive environment, contrasting it with Nickelodeon’s more clinical approach. “Disney feels like a universe where the magic doesn’t end,” she shares, highlighting the positive aspects of her early career.

Personal Growth and Mental Health

Timestamp: [64:09]

Addressing the challenges faced by child stars, Keke advocates for the presence of therapists on sets to support young actors. “There should be people who aren’t connected to the payroll to provide unbiased support,” she insists, emphasizing the importance of mental health resources in the entertainment industry.

The Power of Storytelling

Timestamp: [66:16]

Keke discusses how storytelling has been instrumental in her personal development and her ability to connect with others. “Art with intention can be of service to others,” she explains, illustrating how narratives in TV and film helped her understand and process her own experiences.

Balancing Career and Motherhood

Timestamp: [52:24]

Keke shares insights on balancing her demanding career with motherhood, stating, “If my kids are good, then I’m good.” She emphasizes the importance of prioritizing family and how motherhood has refined her focus and contributed to her sense of stability.

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Notable Quotes

• Claudia on Keke’s Personality:
  “[Keke] is my favorite type of celebrity in the sense that she is not shy about talking about the things that made her famous.”

• Keke on Turning 30:
  “I feel more at ease. I have more peace that can only come with age.”

• Jackie on Keke’s Influence:
  “You are a perfect example of someone who has ended up not only having such a long career but you seem so sound of mind, well-adjusted.”

• Keke on Child Stardom Support:
  “There should be therapists on set. It’s crucial for the well-being of child actors.”

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Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, Jackie and Claudia express their admiration for Keke Palmer’s resilience and success. They encourage listeners to check out her new book, Master of Me, and her podcast, praising her as a master of storytelling and a positive role model. The hosts conclude with heartfelt goodbyes, underscoring the significance of having dream guests realize their aspirations.

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This summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting key discussions, insights, and memorable moments shared by the hosts and their esteemed guest, Keke Palmer.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, millennials.

[B]

Welcome back to the toast and Happy Tuesday. That actually feels like a. It's not. You know what?

[A]

It feels like a Saturday because we're celebrating, bitch.

[B]

We took the words right out of my mouth.

[A]

Swirly sound of ours. We haven't even discussed.

[B]

We haven't. Yes. There's, like, Two sounds on TikTok that whenever anybody wants to, like, reference the toast or even acknowledge your toast, they'll use. And it's Happy Thursday. That feels like a Friday because we're fucking celebrating, bitch. Hey, hey. There's kids that listen with their kids in the car. You yelling at me.

[A]

That's the first.

[B]

And then the other is, like, another random. It's not our best moments. I don't think that it, like, really reflects the brand well.

[A]

Oh, I think it reflects, like, as.

[B]

Good as it could the brand.

[A]

But, like, if I were sitting down, like, I would. I mean, I would just clip everything, so couldn't be.

[B]

I think that everything we do is the greatest thing on the planet. Like, everything we do is a moment. That.

[A]

That right there.

[B]

So true.

[A]

You can make that moment.

[B]

Well, today is a day that feels like a Saturday. Because Jackie and I have been, like, annoyingly teasing for a little while, we were able to book an amazing guest who asked us to hold the episode for a month and asking us to hold. And this was kind of like the season of holding things in. I couldn't tell anyone I was pregnant. I couldn't tell anyone that Kiki Palmer was coming on the toast. Jackie and I have a list, and actually, we kind of need to update the list of, like, true dream guests, obviously, like, a little, like, out of our depth, out of our league a little bit.

[A]

A little bit.

[B]

And Kiki Palmer was added to that list a little while ago, and she is the first person to officially make it off the list. And I feel like once you start taking people off the list, like, it's a slippery slope. She starts sliding off.

[A]

First person on the list. She's not just on the list, like, the list.

[B]

So she inspired the list with her.

[A]

So I'm not taking her off. I'm putting a check mark.

[B]

Love that.

[A]

So that we can remember that our dreams were realized.

[B]

And so that episode is this episode. It'll be the second half of today's episode. We sat down with Keke. She has a new book coming out, and it was, like, really very much at a glance of her life and her career, which we wanted to talk to her about anyway. There's so many projects True Jackson vp, Scream queens, Aquila and the Bee. That means so much to us. And she's my favorite type of celebrity in the sense that she is not shy about talking about the things that made her famous. And a lot of the times, especially when you're a child actor, you don't want to talk about the project that everybody knew you from. True JacksonVP. You want to talk about your new project. And she was so cool about, like, talking about everything. And she's just one of us. Like, she's a mom. She's 31. So, like, I just felt real and not my child. Literally meeting Kiki Palmer.

[A]

Literally, Literally.

[B]

Things my child has done not. No.

[A]

It was so much fun. I'm so excited for everyone to listen to it. And I feel like we could have been so much more annoying, like, teasing. It could have. And we really kept it in our pants.

[B]

Yeah, we really did. It's also. I just watched it the other day. Such a good episode. She was making us cackle. Like, it's a little scary to meet someone like you really idolize and who's like. For me, my favorite thing about Keke is not her projects. It's her personality. Like, when she's doing it. My favorite types of videos to watch are Keke, just being Keke. And it's a little daunting. Cause, like, what if they're, like, a miserable person and it's all for show? She was hysterical. Like, exactly what you thought would hope your fave would be. Trust your faves.

[A]

Trust your faves. But that's also why she's a dream guest. Because of her as a person, like, not just her characters, which it's like, that's not her.

[B]

It's not. Yeah, no, we were really able to just, like, chat. I didn't even look down at my notes.

[A]

Yeah, it was really fun. So I'm excited for everyone to listen. It'll be at the end of this episode, which is sure to be popping.

[B]

Sure to be popping. It's gonna be video and audio. So if you're watching on YouTube or listening as a podcast. Oh, speaking of, you know what I found out today?

[A]

What?

[B]

Do you know that, like, if you go on Spotify, like, to a random episode, every episode of, like, a podcast, there's a comment section on Spotify.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

I know. And no, no. And by the way, it's like, people who really listen.

[A]

That's the beauty of beauty thing about Spotify is you can't even rate a show. Give it five stars. If they see that you haven't listened to it, so you can't just, like, spam it with one stars. You would have to take the time to listen to it, and then by then, you would obviously fall in love. So I actually really like their processes.

[B]

And I love to get feedback on an episode from people who actually listen to it, you know, and so I didn't know that Spotify had comment sections, so I was, like, reading. And then I'm, like, nosy. I went to other people's podcasts because I think it's a good way to see engagement. You know, like, how many comments are you getting versus other people? And we'll chat offline about some of the things.

[A]

Oh, my gosh, this is my favorite subject matter.

[B]

Yeah, like, hyping ourselves up, comparing ourselves to everyone.

[A]

No, no, it's my favorite subject matter, like, to talk with you offline. Like, you know, the charts.

[B]

The charts where we're at.

[A]

At a glance.

[B]

Yeah. I have to say, yesterday's episode was just, like, cathartic and amazing, and I am so excited. And I was excited before, but, like, seeing other people be so excited for you, like, it makes you so excited.

[A]

Yeah. How are you feeling?

[B]

I wasn't before.

[A]

How are you feeling today now that you can just, like, talk about yourself openly?

[B]

You know, what not to be, like, you know, classic hormonal mood swing woman. Like, I, like, I feel a little conflicted about, like, sharing the journey. Like, I have such a pit sometimes when I'm like, I feel like I share too much. Like, evil eye. Like, I don't know, like, too soon, too much. I don't know. It gave me, like, a pit. And then sometimes I'm like, I'm so glad I shared. Everyone is, like, loving everything I do. Like, they're. They're saying I'm so real for that. Like, I don't know. I'm really. I toe the line between, like, I'm not talking about this enough and I'm talking about this too much.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, that's fair.

[B]

I don't know. I'll just.

[A]

So it'll go in waves today.

[B]

No, I'll just go in waves. If I ever. Some days, like, sound like I'm being Jimmy, that's what's going on in my brain.

[A]

Got it. Or maybe you just, like, don't have an update.

[B]

Well, I do, actually, because I went to the doctor yesterday. New sonogram pics just dropped. It was so sick. Like, with each, like, ultrasound, like, you get so much more. Like, I saw brain yesterday. Like, okay, pop off brain. Big brain. And I saw nose. Like, it was so cute. And baby was upside down. So the ultrasound tech was, like, jiggling my stomach just to be like, hey, babe, wake up. Yeah. And then I had to, like, walk around the office and have an orange juice. And that worked, but the jiggling, like, of the thing, like, that wasn't cool. Not your stomach. My stomach doesn't need help jiggling. And then, like, for the ultrasound thing to be like, jiggle, jiggle, jiggle. Just, like, wake baby up. That I felt was upset.

[A]

We can skip that next time.

[B]

Yeah. She was like, next time. Like, clearly you respond to sugar. She's like, have you eaten? I was like, okay. I'm so skinny. I'm like, yeah. I literally had Chinese food right before I got here. She was like, try and have some sugar. Baby responds well to sugar.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. And then I saw Dr. Fox. I just love his calm approach, you know? Like, so chill. I was like, Dr. Fox, Olivia Astre was screaming at me for sleeping on my stomach. And I think it's, like, annoying. When I come in, I'm like, my sister said this. All. I'm like, jackie said this.

[A]

Well, I feel like I'm pretty aligned with Dr. I don't think we're so incongruous in our advice.

[C]

I just.

[B]

I wonder if he finds it annoying. I'm like, my sister said this.

[A]

Oh. I feel like what a doctor would find more annoying is, like, Google said this.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I just said, like, my sister Olivia, like, was yelling at me because she found out I've been sleeping on my stomach. And, like, I know you can't sleep on your stomach at a certain point, but until then, like, I'm chilled to do it. Right.

[A]

Yeah, what he said.

[B]

And he was like, yeah. It's like, literally, if you could, at nine months, it's not bad for the baby. You just can't.

[A]

It's just uncomfortable.

[B]

But at this point in time, like, I'm not feeling anything, and I love sleeping on my stomach. So he said, it's totally fine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Then I got a little bit of a pit. I'm like, am I taking too many baths? And he was like, that's not a thing.

[A]

Oh, my God. In my first pregnancy, I would, like, literally get out my thermometer and make sure that the water wasn't over 104, 102. What is it, by the way?

[B]

Literally, like, literally thermometer in the tub. Oh, no. So I bought a thermometer on Amazon, and, like, I guess the Only people who are testing bath temperature are babies. So, like, I couldn't find one that wasn't like, Elmo. I have, like, a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle thermometer. I was like, where's just, like, a thermometer? And I guess, like, they don't make adult.

[A]

Why would anyone thermometer?

[B]

I didn't think about that.

[A]

No.

[B]

I have, like, a little turtle one.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What's the temperature?

[B]

You can't go over, like, 105. But the thing what Dr. Fox was saying is, like, the difference is, like, a hot tub is constantly being heated.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And it has, like, so many other chemicals. Like a bath, as soon as you get in it, it starts dropping. Like, it's not. He was so not worried. And I just love his very calm approach to everything. Like, it. I've never said something to him, and he's been like, oh, you know, he's just like, you're fine. He's very chill. He's not easily startled.

[A]

That's funny. Well, that's great.

[B]

Yeah, it was. And then, like, I cleared my whole day after the doctor because there's, like, fabulous restaurants near the doctor's office. And Ben was like, I have a call. Like, what? No, we're not going to lunch. It was like, he didn't take off the whole afternoon for our appointment, which I thought, like, we were both in alignment on. We can go to Zabar is like, I don't know. It was kind of disgusting.

[A]

Did you pick stuff up from the market?

[B]

No, I literally, like, went straight in the car and went straight home like I was grounded.

[A]

You didn't go by turd self?

[B]

No, we drove and I needed a lift home.

[A]

He could have waited in the car and taken his call while you went to the market, while you went marketing.

[B]

It was so crazy. And we made our next three appointments, like, with the matri D. What's the word?

[A]

Receptionist.

[B]

Receptionist. Excuse me. Yes. Not the matriday.

[A]

Food on the brain.

[B]

And I. We made them all at the same time. They're all like, at, like, 3:00, and I'm like, clear schedule. Like, it's dinner after that.

[A]

Or lunch first.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, late lunch appointment, early dinner.

[B]

So that was, like, disappointing from Ben, but other than that, I'm doing well. I'm just, like, lapping up every nice comment and lovely text message. Oh. You know, I shared this on my close friends yesterday because I thought it was kind of mean to post, like, regular, but I'm going to say it anyway. Something I'm noticing from, like, people I Know personally because people online are being like, so sweet. Like, can't wait to be like, toasty aunties. Like, yeah, love, love, love. And all my tostadas are like, tia, tia, tia. Love that. But, like, people in my life who, like, I barely know being, like, can't wait to be an auntie.

[A]

Excuse me, do you have. Do you have some news to share?

[B]

No, I'm like, are you talking to me? Like, I think I need to know.

[A]

What you're talking about, though.

[B]

I'll tell you after. I think we use the word like, auntie and uncle with people we know. I think we use it like, a little too familiarly. Like, and I'm not talking about, like, people on the Internet. I think that's actually really sweet, like, toasty aunties. But, like, in real life, like, can't wait to be an anti. Like, you're not even gonna meet this child. Go away.

[A]

No, people are a little fast and loose with it. It's not really, like, something that I like if I'm introducing a friend. Like, not like, this is aunt Dana, but I actually think Dana, like, does call herself and Dana. So then I have, like, started saying it, but it never. It's never my idea.

[B]

Yeah, no, I think that that's fine. Like, and I actually think the concept is sweet with people in your life who are like, siblings to you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I feel like with Brian's child, he calls all of us like, uncle and Claudia. Like, I love that.

[A]

Yeah, no, there's symbolic. I'm sorry, There. There's got to be a limit.

[B]

Like, it's an inner circle thing.

[A]

So confused.

[B]

Jackie. It's an inner circle thing.

[A]

Extremely inner circle nucleus.

[B]

I'm just being like, a hater bitch. But, like, I'm allowed to.

[A]

No, I think at a certain point, like, it gets confusing for the child. And then, like, anti means nothing. And then that. That affects co Jersey cogers if she's just like all these other aunties.

[B]

And I'm so glad I can just finally, like, share and, like, lean into what my really, like, my routine is. Because sitting here pretending like I did anything last night would just be a lie. And my new routine is like, I eat dinner about 5:00, and then 7:00 is Jeopardy. And it's become like an integral part of my day because it's really the last thing I do before bed. 7 to 7:30. Well, you should start like 7:15. So I have to watch commercials. 7:15 to 7:45, Jeopardy. And then I like, mosey on my phone for 20 minutes and then I go to bed. I went to bed at 8:15 last night. I'm just like loving this sort of senior moment.

[A]

I'm having senior moment.

[B]

Like I was on FaceTime with you. It was 5 o'clock and I hadn't like made dinner plans yet, you guys. I thought I was laying down. I thought I was gonna faint. Like I was so hungry. Everything has just moved up. So 5:00 dinner, 7:00, Jeopardy. 8:00, bed.

[A]

Also, like the season. I'm sorry, but daylight savings is ass. Like, it's seriously ruining my life.

[B]

Oh, my God, it's so crazy. Like me, I'm looking at bed, I cannot stop yawning. Seriously, last night, it could have been midnight. I look at the clock. 5:56.

[A]

Sunday two days ago was the longest day in human history. Like, it's, it's. We're so tired. It's dark.

[B]

It's 4:30 and I know DSL. Oh, no. DLS is kind of getting political. There's a couple of states, actually, I.

[A]

Think, actually, Claudia, Bipartisan issue, I just want to say. So that is totally safe.

[B]

I was Googling it. I think Marco Rubio is like, really spearheading the issue, being like, we don't need this. And then some states are like, we do. And I understand. I think, like, part of it is like, it has to do with like, farmers. The farmers and they, they need the light. So I'll do what the farmers need. But just know, like, I'm hating every minute.

[A]

Yeah. No, I think there was a time and a place for it, but now it's really disruptive. There's.

[B]

Oh, because we have these things like, called lights.

[A]

Right. There's studies out there that it causes heart attacks. And honestly, like, I see. I see how that's possible.

[B]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[A]

So it's really been such a damper. And I remember in the spring I was on the show talking about how daylight savings, like, you know, it flipped back.

[B]

Yes, I remember.

[A]

And I was like raving about my days and my nights, how we're just in like a great routine. This is so amazing. This is so exciting. And like, now I'm really experiencing like, the inverse. And it's not right.

[B]

It ain't right.

[A]

So just something to think about for chew on.

[B]

I do fear that we have to get into what needs to get into because we have a lot to handle today. Including one. You know, Kiki Palmer's first name is really Lauren.

[A]

I think I did know that.

[B]

Yeah. Just Fun fact. Only the super fans know.

[A]

Yeah, super fans. And also, I feel like we skipped over, like, a big part of her interview, which is that she has a book coming out this week and it's not called Memories of a Kiki, but it is called Master of Me. So if you're like a celebrity memoir, swirly. Oh, and we didn't even brag that we got an early copy, so. Actually, when we were reading that story last week about what happened on the set of Screams with Ryan Murphy, you guys, I already knew it because I read it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I agree. It was hard. Do you think we, by the way, we really could be actresses? We've been lying to everyone for, like, months.

[A]

Yeah. So I just want you to know, like, I ready.

[B]

We knew. We're like people who, like, leave a comment. Oh, so glad we can finally share the news. There are so many comments like that, like, not to be annoying. Oh my God. Like, finally, like, girl, I told you two days ago, calm down.

[A]

Oh my God. Lol.

[B]

Okay, well, I'm such like, in my pregnancy era. It's also. It's conversing with my hater era. And it's just. It is what it is.

[A]

You have to see it.

[B]

You do.

[A]

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[A]

Thank you Code Turt.

[B]

What can I say except you're welcome.

[A]

Moana. Two drops. Any day now.

[B]

Any day now. I'll be at the theater.

[A]

Our first story. The stories are kind of random today. I would say they're all of equal import.

[B]

So like in no particular order.

[A]

No particular order. However, this one kind of made me chuckle because John Stamos is getting dragged for wearing a bald cap in solidarity with cancer stricken Dave Coolier. So Dave Cooleyard, I want to say it's cooler. Coolier. Coolier announced this cooler that he has been diagnosed with an aggressive form of cancer. And so John Stamos took to Instagram to share a photo with his friend Dave. They're both from Full House, who was smiling with a freshly shaven head amid his battle with stage three non Hodgkin Lymphona. So then John Stamos posted a picture of them together and said, nothing like throwing on a bald cap and flexing some photoshop skills to show some love and solidarity with my bro. So he put on a bald cap to stand with Dave Coulier.

[B]

Now, this is the most Hollywood thing ever.

[A]

Like, this is the craziest thing ever. People know, like, when you're someone that you're really close to, like, has to shave their head for cancer, like, it's something that some people do is to shave their head inside in solidarity. It's such a nice gesture.

[B]

Oh, my God. When I see videos, like, of people shaving their head and then like, their partner who's shaving the head for them will start shaving their own head. Like, I guarantee crying. Like, I. It's the sweetest, most selfless thing. And I imagine it's obviously not the most important thing when you're going through like a life changing illness, but losing your hair, I think especially as a woman, like, it can be one of the hardest parts. Like, you feel like you lose a piece of your identity. So for your husband or wife or whatever to, like, it's the most beautiful thing. For real.

[A]

Yeah, it really is. So John Seamless didn't do that, but what he did do is he put on a bald cap to show Dave his love and support.

[B]

Now, I want to say if Dave isn't mad, then I am not either. However, I think we can talk about, like, how really bizarre this is.

[A]

Like, I'm not mad. And even if this is offensive, like, I'm not the one to say, like, this is wrong, but this is ridiculous.

[B]

I feel like, if anything, if I'm Dave in this situation, like, it makes me feel worse, you know, like, you're. Is my culture a costume to you?

[A]

Like, you get to then take off your cap, right?

[B]

And I do think it's like very on brand with John Stamos. Like, I like, he loves his hair. Uncle Jesse was like, the whole thing, like, don't touch my hair. And again, if Dave thinks this is cool, like, I'm cool with it. I'm Just. Just. I'm definitely confused.

[A]

No. And I never would expect John Samos to shave his head. No, Harry. Like, his hair is, like, you know, that's like Samson Giselle's legs. Like, it's. That's his thing. So it's not expected. But the fact that he, like, would go to this length to show us that he won't shave his head, like, really puts a flag on it, as opposed to just, like, posting something nice for his friend Dave. I would have never thought. Of course John Stamos should be shaving his head. But now he puts on a ball cap, and I'm like, john Stamos should be shaving his head.

[B]

Agreed. I never would have expected it now that he put the cap on, like, now. And now we said it.

[A]

Yeah. Now really all he can do to get out of it is shave his head.

[B]

Not only that, and, like, donate his hair. Like, auction it off. Highest bid goes to cancer research. I want to say, and I don't think we talked about it, like, America's sweetheart. Someone who we all grew up with. Dave Coulier being diagnosed with cancer is so sad. And he's handled the whole thing, you know, as. As you would expect, like, America's comedy sweetheart, too. And it's so sad. And so the fact that we're talking about this is, like, so stupid, but it was an incredibly weird thing for John Stamos to do. I think that we need to talk about it.

[A]

Yeah. And people are talking about it. They're dragging him again. Like, I think it's, like, mostly innocuous. Like, we don't need to cancel John.

[B]

No. I think so far, it's all in good fun.

[A]

People do silly things, and they kind of miss the mark. Like, we just got to let them know. Mark equals missed 1000%. That's all this is.

[B]

Yeah. It's definitely not what I would have done.

[A]

Yeah. And, like, nobody asked. You know, that's a big thing.

[B]

And I. I'm sure that these two are, like, close, but I don't think they're like brothers.

[A]

You don't? I feel like you have to be like brothers to do this.

[B]

To actually shave your head. You have to be like, brothers.

[A]

I feel like they're like brothers, by the way. I don't know follow any. Either of them. I didn't watch, like, the reboot, but I just feel like, especially with, like, Bob's past.

[B]

Bob Saget. Yeah.

[A]

It's like, the two of them, and I imagine there's a brotherhood there.

[B]

Yeah. No, that's actually a good call. I forgot about the Bob of it all. Well, then in that case, like, if they are brothers, shave your head.

[A]

Yeah. Or stay quiet.

[B]

I just, I love those videos. Like, I think, like, that. And military homecomings.

[A]

Like, seriously, military homecomings. I haven't watched one in so long because I just, like, I can't carve out a day.

[B]

My tick tock. My tick tock nose. And like, I'm constantly being served with compilations of, like, I love when it's a surprise too, of course.

[A]

And a young child. Oh, maybe like, at their school. At their schools, like, came to the event, but they didn't expect their father because. Or mother because they're serving. Then they turn around. Bam.

[B]

Obsessed.

[A]

Obsessed.

[B]

So the jury's out on, like, on how I think this will affect John Stamos is, like, seriously, his standing in America because he is, like, extremely well liked by all different generations. And, like, this is a bad look, honestly.

[A]

Yeah. And not because.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And not because of the bald.

[B]

I also want to say, like, just not to make everything about me total tangent. This has nothing to do with John Stamos. But I was feeling a little hungry, and I have a yogurt next to me.

[A]

Are you giving yourself license to eat on the podcast?

[B]

I will be eating on the podcast. I will not be in into my microphone and I will make sure, like, nobody hears, like, a lick. But if you see me on YouTube like that. And do you know how many times I've sat here with, like, a yogurt or a cracker next to me dying to eat it? But that would be so obvious. So just know, like, please get off my jock. I will not make any sounds. Misophonia, you'll be fine.

[A]

Just, yeah, you eat your yogurt while I read the text of the stories. Okay, so I'm going to go into our next story, which is also very much for Turdy. There's a lot of layers here because Sabrina Carpenter took her short and sweet tour to LA and the stars were out. How I know two stars that we do need to discuss. Our Katy Perry and John Mayer was spotted catching up at her concert on Sunday, nearly a decade after calling it quits. So of course, they arrived separately. They did not come together, but he was sat right behind Katie in the VIP section. And in the video that was shared on Dummy, Katie could be seen turned around and chatting with him for a while. They seemed deep in conversation as they waited for the show to start.

[B]

Now, there's two things going on here. I'm so glad you brought up Sabrina's concert in la, because I was so happy to see, like, her really getting her flowers. So many celebrities. Haley Bieber, Kendall Jenner. Like, all the swirlies were out. Blue Ivy. I saw, like, everyone's. Everyone famous, and everyone's famous as kids. Like, I love that Sabrina's having this moment. She is so well deserved. So I just wanted to say that before we dive into what actually happened now, I saw this video, and you guys know, like, probably one of the happiest times I've ever. One of the happiest times of my life was when John Mayer was dating Katy Perry. I was so invested in their relationship. I thought that they were perfect for one another. When they went to the Grammys and she wore that seafoam dress and he wore that blue. You could add it to the list of Claudia's favorite stories.

[A]

It's already.

[B]

Oh, my God. And then I saw them in concert at Barclays Center. I saw him in concert at Barclays center, and I just knew he was going to bring her out. They have a song together, and he did love who you love so good. Actually, that song's not a great song, but whatever. Like, I was obsessed with these two, and I still, for a long time, I think, held out a little bit of hope. Although now I actually don't think that they're right for one another.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So to see them be friends, like, brought me joy. And I think that, like, Katie is so moved on in her personal life. I think she's so in love with Orlando Bloom. They have a child together. Like, I don't think she, like, sits up at night thinking about John Mayer at all. I don't know that John Mayer doesn't.

[A]

So here's the thing. I was reading more into this story, and, yes, she moved on one year after they broke up, but he has not been in a serious relationship since. It seems that he's had a hard time getting over her. In 2017, he released a song called still feel like your man, which he admitted was about her in the.

[B]

Oh, my God. I didn't know that. In the song feel like a man.

[A]

He sings about keeping an ex shampoo in the shower in case she ever comes back and holding on to old letters because he fears he is, quote, never going to find another person like her.

[B]

Oh, my God. I don't know if I ever knew that song was about Katy Perry. Obsessed with that. For her.

[A]

For him, she is the one that got away. But I also feel like he kind of says that about everyone. It's like he won't get serious about any of the girls that he's with. But once they leave, he's like, they were the best thing that ever happened to me. Please come home. I have your shampoo. Six bottles of different shampoo.

[B]

He is so toxic. That is so fucking true. But I don't know if I put together that he really hasn't been in like a big public long term relationship since then. Although I do believe he is like secretly dating Kieran and Chipka for a while, which I think is absolutely disgusting.

[A]

Well, speaking of discussing, that's kind of harsh but like, what do you think he was doing at Sabrina show? Like, do you think he has a crush on Sabrina?

[B]

Definitely. By the way, I was actually thinking that I think he like thought like, yeah. Why, why he would be there. That's actually an amazing point.

[A]

I think he has a crush on Sabr. I'm sure Sabrina heard that. She. He's like there at VIP and she's freaking out because it's John Mayer and I feel like they're going to like go on a date. Maybe we'll never hear about it because it won't work out. But like, I feel like he would be interested in her and I actually think she would be interested in him.

[B]

Now. Let me say this. You guys know I'm like off my John Mayer. Like, he's not my crush anymore. Like I'm, I'm off my John Mayer obsession, by the way.

[A]

And in January he said, people don't think I want to be married. I absolutely want to be married. Like he's look is.

[B]

But just to say that doesn't mean it's true. Like, we've seen you for 20 years not act that way now. I am off my John Mayer shit. Like, I still love him as an artist, but like, he's no longer my crush. Like, honestly, if he asked me out on a date, I would say no. Like, I'm being dead serious. And that's just, that's not because I'm like with child.

[A]

With another man's child.

[B]

That has nothing to do with it. I just like, I'm so over him. And having said that, I would absolutely love for him and Sabrina to go out on a date even though it's still so age inappropriate. Like, well, how old is she?

[A]

She's always a little older than you think she's going to be.

[B]

She has Disney. So I always think of her as like young. Young.

[A]

She's 25. Oh, fronties.

[B]

There and what is he, 40? He's over 40.

[A]

No, to be honest, I wasn't expecting her to be 25 at this point. Like, she can make her own Choices. He's 47.

[B]

No, I'm sorry. He's disgusting. Okay. And how old is Kiernan Shipka? Because he, like, he knows that it's wrong that he dates Kieran and Chipka, so they are never spotted physically together. She's 25.

[A]

He likes a 25 year old. He was.

[B]

Every time he is paparazzi leaving or going to a restaurant or a bar or a party, she is spotted then leaving or going the same restaurant. 10 minutes later, they are 100 seeing each other. And it's been a long time. And like, I just want to say. I think it's disgusting, but I just.

[A]

Want to say if I'm Kiernan and like, that's my man. And he went by himself or with his boys to see Sabrina, another 25 year old who I know he would be into because she's like a musical genius and adorable. I'd be mad. I don't think they could be together. And he's at the concert. They made a broken up yesterday.

[B]

And his music is like, it's not for her. Music is not for John Mayer. I'm sorry. Like, what are. Seriously. Ariana, what are you doing here? Like, get out.

[A]

Yeah, he's.

[B]

I've had such a 180 on him. Like, I actually think he's gross.

[A]

You think he's yucky. I also, the only reason why I'm not, like, like, so against the idea of them going on a date is because of Barry.

[B]

Like, she's got to be done with him.

[A]

Even if John just, like, shows her that there's something else out there.

[B]

Even if John is the vehicle literally and physically to get her away from Barry, I'm fine with it.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Like, whatever happened to like, nice, normal, age appropriate guys? Like, I can't.

[A]

Honey, it's Hollywood.

[B]

I know. And I don't want Sabrina getting caught up with, like, I think John Mayer has, like, a connection to, like, a really disturbing part of Hollywood. Like, because he's been around for so long. I don't want Sabrina a part of it.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

Stay away from Brenner.

[A]

Also, this is not a story. But her Netflix trailer for a nonsense Christmas dropped, revealing tons of special guests. It looks exactly what you think it would look like. Like Gargy Pargie Christmas girly sets.

[B]

I had, like, a negative thought when I saw the trailer.

[A]

What?

[B]

Like, why so many Guests, you know, like, I'm here for Breeder.

[A]

I agree. Especially because, like, the guests don't really do it for me.

[B]

Of course, it was Taylor Swift.

[A]

The first name was.

[B]

No, if it was like, if it was designed for me, maybe I would like it. But, like, I don't know. I just. Can anyone just have their moment? Like, this obsession with guests.

[A]

I know. Oh, my God. I've been feeling that way so much. Last night I actually had, like, I was sad. I was like, I want to watch something. I texted you what's on my content plate. Then I realized I didn't want to watch a show. Like, I don't have the attention span. I just wanted to watch, like a cooking show. And I went to Netflix just to search cooking show. And it's all. They don't have one cooking show of just like a woman in the kitchen or a man. But I prefer a woman just cooking and talking to me. That's all I wanted. They should add that to their repertoire. But then, like, I was. Then I went back to that Martha show I was watching. It's just called Martha. But there are so many things that they do with her where they make her have guests on every episode. And I'm like, I don't want to watch Martha teach someone how to cook. I want her to teach me how to cook.

[B]

I agree. This obsession with, like, collaborating and guests, like, I. I don't like it.

[A]

No, I. It's such low hanging fruit. And you're in a bad place. Not Sabrina. I'm sorry, I'm not talking about Sabrina anymore. I'm talking about, like, the cooking world. You're in a bad place if that's what you're relying on.

[B]

No, but I think like, in this day and age, if you want to sell like a show, a podcast, anything you put together like a deck and you say we can guarantee and we're gonna have this. This person network is filled with Chapel Ro. Like, stop. It's just, I want Sabrina.

[A]

I want Sabrina, only Sabrina. So Chapel Roan, Tyler, Shania Twain and then a bunch of like, cameos from, like, actors and people.

[B]

So unnecessary.

[A]

Delevingne Keen to Brunson, Kyle Mooney from snl. Like, why a bunch of other people.

[B]

I'm going to watch it and I'm sure I'll like it, but I am complaining.

[A]

Oh, and is this who I think it is? Yeah. Jillian Bell. Okay. I really like her.

[B]

I like her too. I like her too.

[A]

Okay, well, are you ready for our next story? Number three?

[B]

I am.

[A]

Some Pete Davidson news. Out of nowhere, a couple things. Pete Davidson checks into rehab for the second time this year after a secret relationship with the Bachelor alum Maria Georgia.

[B]

I thought he was doing well. Like, I. He was getting his tattoos removed. I thought he'd been like, offline for like this whole year. Kind of like in a rehab of sorts.

[A]

Yeah. So. And he was dating Madeline and then they broke up and he went to rehab. And then apparently for the last few months, he's been dating Maria from the Bachelor, and then he went to rehab in Florida fairly recently. He's in pretty bad shape and he's just not in a good place. And I guess he ended things with Maria. I'm really focused on, like, the Maria of it all because I actually. Yeah, I really like that relationship.

[B]

And I feel like it's rare for him to date someone and we not know about it.

[A]

Right. And we're really getting into the era. For so long it was like male reality stars with female celebrities, but now we're getting like the female real stars with male celebrities. And I'm so here for that.

[B]

You love to see women in male dominated fields.

[A]

Yeah, you really, really do. So I guess it didn't work out. Probably not the right time for him, but I could see it.

[B]

I really wish him the best. I feel like that. I feel like he's a perfect example of, like, everybody looks at fame and I want it. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. And like, I think for him it was really destructive, like, to be that level of fame. But he didn't. He wasn't even famous for, like, his skill. Right. He was just like, famous for I don't even know what. And I think that, like, it was really destructive. And I feel bad for him. Like, I seriously just wish him the.

[A]

Best, but also, like, for his comedy. That's how he, like, got famous. He was the youngest cast member on snl. Like, maybe too young. Maybe he got this all, like, too fast, too soon. And it's like, hard.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For him to find a way to live a happy life.

[B]

Like balance.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. And the whole thing was happening while he was living with his mom. Like, it was also quick and bizarre. And I seriously just wish him the best.

[A]

Yeah. I hope that this, like, is the most effective treatment.

[B]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

Are you ready for our next story? Kind of like crazy news. Not crazy news. Just like a weird story. So Cynthia Riva went on Armchair Expert and Dax Shepard asked her if her talon nails get in the way when she wipes.

[B]

No, he did not. Yeah.

[A]

And it's kind of like an awkward exchange. So while appearing on Art, what did you say?

[B]

Her what nails?

[A]

Her talon nails. Because she has those really long fingernails.

[B]

What does talon mean?

[A]

T, A, L, O, N. It's like a. Like a claw almost.

[B]

I'd never heard that word before. But you're just talking about, like, regular, long acrylic nails. But, like, hers are super long.

[A]

Yeah, like, it's the super long. Khloe Kardashian, Sheena Shay. Nail.

[B]

Yes. Okay.

[A]

So while appearing on Armchair Expert, he asked Cynthia for if her long talent nails make it difficult to wipe her behind after going to the bathroom. Before he even finished asking the question, she knew exactly what was coming. She said, I knew you would ask that question. Adding that no one's afraid to ask it. She said, my answer is that nobody uses just their fingers to wipe their backside. You use tissue. Correct. And you wipe. He then rephrased his question, saying, does the tissue go on the tip of the fingernails?

[B]

It's a good question.

[A]

Or on your palm? Or do you try to get the tissue? And she said, pads of the fingers. He said, great, great, great. Now we're getting somewhere. Then you're just feeling the little. He said that he was just feeling the little tickle of the nails on the crack of your bug sometimes.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

She said this was not the case because she uses tissues. After joking that he would make a mitten out of toilet paper if he had nails like Cynthia.

[B]

That's funny.

[A]

He asked her if she was offended or annoyed by the question. She said, I'm annoyed by it. I'm like, come on, guys. But I get it. But it's also like, I'm a functioning adult, and I've never walked around smelling like, you know. And shepherd felt that because everyone thinks Cynthia smells so good, it begs the question, how are you wiping your tush? She said, very well.

[B]

Okay, here's the thing. Such a funny question. I could see it, like, falling on, like, you, like, asking, like, he was asking the wrong person. Because I feel like what we've gathered about Cynthia is, like, she takes herself really seriously. She is a little humorless. So the fact that she engaged, like, actually have a lot of respect for. Because I could see her, like, shutting down the question or actually walking out. So the fact that she played along, and then when he asked, he asked, like, what did you think of that question? And she answered honestly, like, I feel like this was actually a really good exchange for Cynthia Reevalu. She handled it. And we all do wonder. And I have to say, like, in my life, like, two or three times, I have gotten really long acrylic nails. And I can attest to what Cynthia is saying. Like, you just make it work. Like, things that you people can't even fathom, like opening a soda can. Like, you use this part of your finger, like, use your knuckle. You just. Your body and your mind have a way of figuring things out. Like, it's not. It's. It's like she's not wiping her ass with her fingernails. You know what I mean?

[A]

Right.

[B]

So it's a good question because I think people really often wonder it, and.

[A]

I'm really impressed with nails. I think their. Their mind first goes to, like, how do you wipe your butt?

[B]

I think of how do you pick your nose first?

[A]

You don't think you pick it with expert precision?

[B]

No. Because when they're that long, like, you no longer have control. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[A]

You don't have control. It's not a part of your body.

[B]

Exactly. Like, you can't feel when the nail is touching something. You don't even know if you're doing it right.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

So that my. I don't think of butt wiping, but it's on the top three, four, five things. I think first. I always do nose picking and, like, typing.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't have these nails, but, like, this question would bother me just because, like, I just don't think Cynthia, she's just, like, such an acclaimed talent. She's talking about poop. Like, that part, you don't want to bother.

[B]

You don't want people picturing you wiping your tushy and making a duty. Like, it's gross.

[A]

Right. And then the idea that, like, you've got duty on your fingernails, like, it's just. I just not how you. Like, I just don't even go there.

[B]

I've also never listened to Armchair Expert. Like, I didn't know that that's what they were doing over there. And, like, now I'm intrigued. It sounds funny.

[A]

Yeah. She also made a really fire point, and she said, here's the thing. There are people who do not have nails who need to check out their wiping.

[B]

Facts. Oh, okay. Like, not. This is a good moment for Cynthia Rivo. I think she's coming off looking really good, honestly.

[A]

Yeah, no, she's turning the table. And it's just funny.

[B]

That is funny. So true. Like, And. And as somebody who has experienced the first trimester of pregnancy, I have a very low bar now for people who have, like, bad hygiene. I'm sorry. There's really no excuse for you to be smelling the way that you're smelling, like, in this modern time. Like, unless you seriously don't have a place to live. And I'm not talking about people like that. I'm talking about people who have showers in their homes and choose either not to use them or don't know how to effectively use it. That I have no. I have. I have no grace for you. Like, there's absolutely no reason that you should have body. Unless you came from the gym. Like, you just showing up to work with bad breath. Body odor. Like, stop.

[A]

What's more offensive to you to your nose right now? Like, bad natural body odor. Like, and not like, horrible stink, but, like, you know, a little smelly or, like, fragrance. Nasty perfume, Nasty body wash. Like, overwhelmingly like. Like, smelly, fruity.

[B]

Yeah. I find, like, manufactured fragrances to be more offensive than somebody's armpits.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I also don't. I don't see a lot of people. That's, like, kind of what I've been doing. So nobody around me. Like, I actually haven't experienced a lot of body. Body odor except in the streets, like, when you're walking past. And New York City is a very tough place to be in a first city. It is a smelly city. There's a lot of humanity. There's a lot of people, a lot of crowds, lots of food trucks, food carts, A lot of different fragrances. And seriously, it also. So much trash on the street, like, you would die. It is not for the faint of heart.

[A]

No, you do need fresh air. You should, like, get. Go see some trees. Get a little CO2.

[B]

A thousand percent. And that's why, like, actually I feel that the air, when on my balcony is more fresh than the air on the street. Like, if I need fresh air, I'll go to the balcony.

[A]

That tracks. You should also go to the park. There's a lot of trees in the park.

[B]

I've been going to the park. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

[A]

A lot of trees in the park. The park is really expertly designed.

[B]

Yeah, it is.

[A]

You should watch New York by Ken Burns. That's what I watched when I was pregnant.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Just a little something. Everyone should watch it. Have, like, any modicum of curiosity about the history of New York.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I think you would like it.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

Just switch it up.

[B]

I already just did something different.

[A]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story, which is something else you could watch soon? That would switch it up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And actually, like last night when I was just like trolling for something to watch mindlessly, like, this is what I wanted to be watching.

[B]

What?

[A]

Because Carrie Underwood's concert special will be coming to Hulu. Love a time. Grammy winner Carrie Underwood will give audiences a front row view of her Las Vegas residency show in a concert special set to air on Hulu in January. Carrie Underwood, Reflection. It's fine because in December we get like the nonsense Christmas and like all that. So. And the, you know, the live adoption with Josh Groban.

[B]

Josh Groban, correct the way.

[A]

I need to set a timer for that.

[B]

I gotta put it on my YouTube TV to record it.

[A]

Carrie Underwood Reflection features her greatest hits from nearly 20 years and as an award winning international recording and touring artist, including 14 number one hits and songs from her eight studio albums.

[B]

I love this, this, like, genre of television where it's like concert DVDs, we need more of. And I feel like only the big ones get it. Like, we know Beyonce, we know Taylor. Like, I need more. I love them. I happen to have loved the Ben Platt one. Olivia Rodrigo just did one. Like, like, we need more of these. I love concert movies. And I don't need, like, in between songs, seeing them backstage, getting ready, talking about the process. No, I just want the whole concert filmed.

[A]

Yeah, I need to. You know what? I'm fucking doing it. I'm starting my content playlist. I don't know, because last night, like, I really needed it. And now I can remember, like, search.

[B]

Concert DVDs, concert movies you did want to watch. Nobody wants this. And I feel like people can remember better. Sound off in the comments. What has Jackie been meaning to watch?

[A]

Every day I say, I'll add it to my list. And then I texted Claudia last night, what's on my list? And we came up with nothing. Concert movies.

[B]

What's so great is, while that was the fast five, it's just getting started.

[A]

You guys is far from over.

[B]

The show is over. Kiki Palmer is about to join us. You are going to love the episode. You can watch it on YouTube. You can also watch it. I listen to it as a podcast. She joined us. She was amazing. If you like what you hear, check out her book. It's called Master of Me. It comes out today, so you'll be able to get it if you're like a Kindle user immediately or check it out on Amazon. Our Kiki Palmer interview is brought to you by Caraway. So Caraway is one of our favorite brands when it comes to kitchenware, bakeware. Really anything for the kitchen cookware. Excuse me. So with fall being in full swing, Caraway is really getting us into the seasonal spirit, but in a non toxic way. So you can ditch the chemicals with Caraway Caraway. Caraway Home's non toxic kitchenware features a chemical free ceramic coating. So it lets food be prepared with peace of mind that no hard to pronounce chemicals will leach into your healthy ingredients. And this is the season of stews, of chilies, of really home cooked hearty meals. And when it comes to caraway, their pots, their pans, their food storage, what else do I have? I have so many of their, like what are the words I'm looking for? Like baking dishes, gadgets. Oh, I have those too.

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[A]

And we can always go back and list it again.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

And I filmed it at this new studio that I loved in New York. Like, me and Kiki just look gorgeous. Like, I found this new studio and I'm obsessed, obsessed with it. So, you guys, I saw someone be like, is this AI generated? It is. Like, it literally is. I look, I look insanely.

[A]

That's always like the nicest compliment. Someone be like, this looks like AI. I'm like, well, thank you.

[B]

Thanks. I'm just gorgeous.

[A]

Thanks. I'm just like a perfect piece of technology.

[B]

Correct. So you don't have to go anywhere. Kiki's about to start. Enjoy the episode, you guys. We love you and we'll see you tomorrow.

[A]

Love you. Bye.

[B]

Welcome back to the toast. Today's such an amazing day because we are joined by someone who was added to our dream guest list about a year ago and she's actually the first person to make it off the list and onto the podcast. So please welcome to the show, Kiki Palmer.

[C]

Hey, girl. Girl. How y'all doing?

[B]

This is really exciting for us. I actually don't know how to properly introduce you. Like, if you're in the back of a taxi and the driver says, what do you do for a living? Like, how do you even answer that?

[C]

I usually just keep it simple and say, I'm an entertainer, a multi hyphenate, multi hyphenated. I just try to keep it short, you know.

[B]

Now I don't know if you know, this is actually not our first time meeting. Yeah. Let me tell you, when I was in college, I was an intern, kind of like an amazing intern at AOL Build. Do you remember that?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And you came in, and I was so dazzled by you. Obviously, I grew up watching you. You've had, like, an enormous impact on both Jackie and I. And you were so lovely back then, and you were so lovely today, and I was just like, so. It's really nice to see people, you know, you never know when you're meeting someone they could be having a day. You have always been, like, so bubbly and exactly how someone would want you to be. And so it's so nice to be a fan of yours and then get to experience that in real life, because you really are, like, a delight. Girl.

[C]

That made me just smile so big.

[B]

Thank you. No, it was, like, one of the best days, and that was seriously, like, one of the worst internships of my life. Like, hated every minute, but it was so much fun because you would see a lot of celebrities coming in there, and people could be, you know, unique in a green room when they.

[C]

For sure.

[B]

When no one's watching. And you were just lovely.

[C]

Really. That makes me so happy you're being such a cancer lover girl. I really.

[B]

Well, yeah, we connected about our horoscopes.

[A]

We were just talking about horoscopes. What's your sign?

[C]

I'm a Virgo.

[A]

And what does that mean?

[C]

And honestly, Virgo and Scorpio are like, you know, you guys are our evil twins. Twins.

[A]

Oh, wait, is it. So we're. We're good or.

[C]

No, no, Virgos are the saints.

[B]

Oh, okay. The sinners. Got it.

[A]

Oh, so we're, like, similar to us.

[C]

I know. I love.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That it doesn't. Because usually the girls are always into astrology. We kiki about it. I love that you guys are like, oh, no, no, no.

[B]

You know, we prefer to talk about, you know, current events.

[C]

You're not like the other girls.

[B]

We are not like the other podcast hosts. Like, we have serious conversations.

[C]

I love that.

[A]

Thank you. He just told me I'm a water sign, and up until now, that's, like, been a core tenant of your personality, Claudia. So I'm kind of coming for you.

[B]

I love to swim.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

We've always.

[C]

Scorpio, Cancer, Pisces. All water signs. Virgo, Capricorn, Taurus, earth signs.

[A]

This changes things.

[B]

Everything.

[C]

Fire signs.

[A]

This changes everything.

[B]

Now, we're so honored to be here because we know you're doing a lot of press. You have a second book coming out. It's called Master of Me. It comes out today. My question for you is, like, first of all, you do so many things right. You sing, you dance. You do pretty much everything. Host, act. Why a book and why a second book?

[C]

Well, you know, I've had, I have a really close relationship actually, actually with my book agent Lacey. And she was such a integral part of obviously writing my first book and that process. And so we talked a little bit about if I were to write another book I think maybe like five or six years later. And I was just kind of like, no, no, no, no. And then after becoming a mom and just, I mean turning 30 is such a big thing as well. Just happened to me, girl. Just different revelations and it sounds so crazy cuz age is nothing but a number. But you know, it's a lot. It's a lot. A lot of time has gone by, you start thinking about things differently. Like you genuinely change. Your frontal lobe has had five years to really get into it frontal lobe and you're ready to get, get it going. And so at that point I thought to myself, I think I do have something to say now. So ultimately it's just me feeling like I have something to offer.

[B]

Yeah. Can I ask you what your relationship with turning 30 was like? Like for me it just happened. It was, it was hard. I'm like, especially when you do this for a living. Like it's a young G and so 30 takes you to like a new year. Yeah, it was a lot. And I think in Hollywood they have like a very similar obsession with youth for sure. How did you turn 30?

[C]

I think I'll be honest that it definitely is like, okay, how does this now affect how people view me? I think age can feel fine to you, but you always wonder how other people then are going to view you based on age. So I'm not like unaware of that. But at the same time I was going through so much. I just had a baby. Right. I was trying to figure out if I wanted to do a big party, if I didn't want to do a big party. I just, you know, all the feelings that come with like after. What do they call it? Post part.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Post baby. I was also going through. So it was a bunch of mixed emotions. I would say that that first year into 30, like 31. Now being 31, I can say that I really prefer 30s over 20s.

[B]

Oh really?

[C]

Without a doubt.

[B]

Why?

[C]

I feel like the 20s, it was just like so crazy and I didn't know what was going on and everybody was getting on my nerves and so many friends were lost and so many love. It was just too much.

[B]

Come and gone.

[C]

Yeah, come and gone, girl. At 30, I feel like, hold up, wait a minute.

[B]

Stable.

[C]

I'll get back to you when I can.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Hey, Boo.

[A]

Settled.

[C]

You know what I mean? It feels more. I feel more at ease. I have more of a peace to me that, yeah, I think can only come with age.

[B]

I like that. Do you think that also comes with. Because I feel like that's what happened to Jackie. Like when she became a mom, she became so much more settled and not so like I'm so rattled by things. She like, you cannot rattle this bitch. Like I think. Do you think that's part of it too?

[C]

How old your baby?

[A]

I have a two and a half year old and a one year old.

[C]

Oh, what a blessing. I love the little twos. Both two under two. Yeah. Amazing. So wait, how did I feel? I do think motherhood did that to me in a lot of ways. It gave me a lot of peace because it gave me perspective when it's just. When it was just me, it was very much so, too much me. Everything was personal. It was hard to be objective about situations in terms of like how much I wanted to give myself to things. But when you have a kid, or at least for me, when I have my son, it'd be became very easy to know what was needed and what wasn't needed. Because if it took from me or made me feel in a way that I thought I couldn't provide the best energy, space and whatever for my son, then I just walk away from it. And it just lets you know that nothing truly is the end of the world as long as your kids are fine. Like if my kids are good, honey, I'm good. That's when things are getting crazy. But if my kids are good, then life is really not a, not a trouble.

[B]

No, I like, I think that's a really good litmus test. Like the bar is now so different for you. Like I said, like how you feel, like, are your kids good? Then you're good, literally.

[C]

And that's a great feeling. I'll be honest. Like, life sometimes feels so me, me, me, me, me. And you know, there's amount of selfishness that you need to survive and be great. But also it. It feels really good for me personally to pour into something else. I've always poured so much into my career and I always will. I feel so purposeful in that. But knowing also that like I can give to my son and, and, and that child is so worthy of everything that I can give. It also feels awesome. It puts a lot of pressure off of me. And what I think I Need to achieve.

[B]

Yeah. But it also gives you a reason for like, doing what you're doing besides just, like, success and money and fame. Like. No, you're like, building something for your son.

[C]

Yes. I love that.

[B]

Now, let me ask you a question, because when Jackie and I were talking about, like, what we needed to talk to Kiki about, we didn't even know where to start. Right. Like, you have really been such a positive influence. Of course. Starting with True Jackson vp.

[C]

Come on.

[B]

I did want to know, what do you consider, like, your big break?

[C]

I consider two Barbershop for different reasons. Well, I mean, now I could say three Barbershop because it broke me into the industry.

[A]

Right.

[C]

And that's. That's kind of like the hardest thing to get off the ground. It's like just a part, a role, something where you can say lines. I didn't realize how difficult that was, but, you know, I did after experiencing more of the industry and everything doesn't always happen that fast.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So, Yeah, I think Barbershop 2 was definitely a big break. But when I think about my break of, like, people knowing my name, the first one would be a keel and the Bee, but it was, like, a slow word. Thank you.

[B]

Seriously, they don't make movies like that anymore. Like, literally, that movie I'm obsessed with, whenever it's on cable, I'm always watching it. Thank you, Akilah.

[C]

And the Bee was absolutely a slow burn. Meaning it was popular a bit when it came out in the industry, but it really didn't become popular until years and years.

[B]

No, they, like, started putting it all over cable. Like, E movies we love. It's always the movie we love. Like, I agree. I don't even remember seeing it.

[A]

They're right for that.

[B]

No, they're right for that.

[C]

No, absolutely nobody really watched it. When it came out, it was kind of like a bat. It was kind of like, oh, the movie bombed right then. Like, it was a sleeper. Yeah, it was a sleep. Remember that? When they would call things. Yeah, it was a sleeper hit. And so that what I would say was a big break in the industry. And then over time, it became like, something I was known for. But the thing that put Keke Palmer on the map, like, boom. Was true JacksonVP. I mean, after that, my life changed.

[B]

Honey, you had to be there like that. That song, S O N C P. Like, so good. We used to watch it all the time. Like, seriously obsessed. Oh, my gosh. And you know what's so funny about you? Because I feel like we've been talking a lot in the culture about child stars. Right. Like, there's all these documentaries. And you're one of the few people who kind of both. When it comes to, like, Nickelodeon and Disney, I feel like there's been like, two. There were always like, two separate worlds. Right. Two separate channels. But you were in Jump in with Corbin. You kind of did both. And I feel like you're literally like, the only person to have ever done that. Do you have different, like, takeaways? Did you like one more than the other?

[C]

Oh, that's such a good question. That is so I'll say. Disney is really amazing when it comes to not only the storytelling that you see on screen, but the storytelling even within the company. Like, they are storytelling through marketing, through their. Do the employees. Yeah, people got pins in the office. Like, they are literally a whole, like, universe. And I think that feels really good, especially when you're a kid, because the magic doesn't end. So there's an element of being a part of it that I think. I think feels really, really fun. I would say that when it came to Nickelodeon, they definitely, like, their paying was really awesome.

[B]

Oh, wow. Really?

[C]

Yeah. And different things like that.

[B]

So interesting.

[C]

What else did I like about working with Nickelodeon? I don't know. I think theirs was a little bit more, I don't wanna say clinical. Cause they both have a clinical. They're both corporations. But Disney has a way of making you wanna be a part of it. Even if it's like, you know, kinda like a cult.

[B]

Right? That's how you're making it sound.

[C]

You could describe it as that, except, you know, no vaccine.

[B]

All positive. All positive.

[C]

Yeah, all positive. All positive. But, yeah, Disney has a way of. You just wanna. It feels like I need to be here.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[C]

It feels like something you wanna be a part of. Where Nickelodeon's kinda like, come in. Get this, right? It ain't about making it necessarily exciting anymore. Except for that slime. But when it gets all of your hair and stuff. You been slimed. Oh, my gosh. One day we were doing this big promotional thing for, like, all the new shows that were coming to Nickelodeon and we had to get slimed. But obviously when you're filming things, you don't just film it once, you film it multiple times.

[B]

Dreadful.

[C]

Sweetie. And this was like, in the weave era. This is not even like the wig era. If this was the wig, more of the wigs, then it would have been fine.

[B]

She'd get a new wig.

[C]

I just put. Take it off Put the wig on, honey. This was in the weave era. So when I tell you that they slimed me, then they had to wash all of it out. We had. I was like under the dry for hours. Then I had to get. Just to get slimed again. Oh, honey, I hated that slime after that too much.

[B]

That is so funny. Well, you know, you're actually letting go, saying we talk a lot about child stars because I think a lot of child stars end up writing books much like you. And one of our favorite books to reference, like Jeanette McCurdy's book, Josh Peck from Nickelodeon. His book was amazing. And they talk a lot about, like, what it. Like why child stardom has the reputation that it does. Right? And so much of, like, when what Josh Peck had said that really, like, left like, I think an impact on us is like, so much of it has to do with, like, your parents involvement. And then Janette McCurdy sort of said that too, because, like, her mom kind of. And the book goes on about, like, you know, whatever. I'm not going to get into it, but you have really ended up not only having such a long career, but you seem like, so sound of mind, well adjusted. And I'm curious, like, what you attribute that to because you were in the trenches with everyone else.

[C]

That's a good question. What do I attribute it to? What do I attribute it to? I don't want to say just my parents because I don't think everybody has, you know, what is a terrible parent. You know, I mean, I think everybody's doing the best they can. And I did have problems with, with my parents during that time of just them not understanding what I was going through. And so it wasn't totally peachy King. But I do think that my parents did a really great job trying to explain to me what it was I was doing at these companies. So I didn't take things personal. I think how they make you feel about yourself and how that you know your work and what you receive and what you don't receive, how that is connected to your esteem, are really important things to talk through. I think my mom did a really good job trying to help me process those things. But I also attribute, like, other people in my life. Like, I remember when I was about 17, I was like, I'm done with my parents. They don't understand me. Like, I can't do this anymore. Yada, yada, yada. And I email my attorney. He's still my attorney to this day. He started out being my attorney when I was 12 years old. I said, look here, my parents, they're done. I'm ready to be emancipated.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

I was like, honey, I'm ready to be emancipated. I'm done with them. They're gone, out of here. And he was like, kiki, there are other ways to deal. You don't have to do it this way. You know, maybe your parents and you just need to do therapy. There are other things that can happen. Like, you don't need to go this route. And obviously, like, as an attorney, somebody that's making money off of me, it would probably be great for me to get emancipated. Like, he would. It would be a great.

[B]

Think of the hours.

[C]

Yeah. Like, it would be great. It would be.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[C]

But he really urged me to not run away from the hardship of kind of being the first in my family to have this kind of. Be in this kind of situation, have this kind of financial overflow and freedom and how that affected our relationships. Make a long story short, he has that conversation with me. I'm like, okay, Ken. He's like, honestly, a lot of people experience this more than you know. You'll be fine. Couple of weeks go by and I'm on the set of true JacksonVP and I get a call from this, like, really, really obscure number. And I'm like, what obscure? Like, this is weird. I'm not angry. I go to work, I come back and I see there's a voicemail left from this same number. And I. Okay, let me play it. Hey, Kiki, it's Will. We're over here doing Karate Kid with Jayden. I just wanna let you know, I talked to Ken. He let me know everything you going through. And I want you to know sometimes it's hard being the first. But you'll get through. Just keep staying focused, love, on your family, and y'all gonna be good. I gotta get back. Will Smith, girl, wait.

[B]

That's so crazy.

[C]

It was so insane.

[B]

You didn't pick up.

[C]

I did not pick up. I couldn't be. Cause the number was like a Hong Kong number. It was like. I was like, I ain't never seen no number like this before. Like, who is this calling me? I didn't know. And then when I listened to the voicemail, I'm like, oh, my gosh. And it was just like Will being like, you know, look, that's so sweet. It's something that happens when you're. When you're stepping out. Nick you could be a child entertainer, or you could be the first person in your family to go to college, or the first person in your family to get married, or the first person. You know, there's so many firsts that can happen as your generations or the generations of your family continue to grow and evolve. And this was, like, a difficult thing for me that I felt meant that I had to throw my family away.

[B]

Right.

[C]

And so I've always had, I think a lot of people, whether they're notable names or they're my attorney, who you guys don't know, that I had a good community that also my parents made sure I was around. That would encourage community and not, like, dissension and us breaking apart. Which I think, honestly, a lot of times happens when you're a kid entertainer because people wanna make money off of you and they don't want you close to you, your family.

[B]

Yeah, that's the thing is, like, money makes it so complicated.

[C]

It does.

[B]

And so as a mom, how do you feel like, if your kid ever said to you, like, I want to be an actor, a child actor, I.

[C]

Mean, I would totally be fine with it. You know, I would be fine with it. I definitely am ready to be a stage mother. You know, you're not going to overwork my son. He's getting all his cogging money 100%. I think I would just really explain it to him the same way that I would explain it to my child if they want to do soccer or if they want to play baseball. I do believe, finishing what you said you would do, I think I come from a family of that, which is also what was so difficult, deciding that I wanted something to do, like that I had a craft or a thing I wanted to focus on or had a passion of, because they definitely enforced discipline, which sometimes was like, okay, wait a minute. But I am so much better because of it. So I would encourage that and be like, no, son, if you said, you're going to do it, we need to do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But other than that, I mean, I would just have a really clear conversation about what it means to say you're going to show up for something.

[B]

Yeah, like, that's just like an overall life lesson, I feel.

[C]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Good lesson. Are there any practices that you think that should be in, like, the child entertainment industry that would yield better results for child actors going forward? Like, anything you wish you had on set growing up?

[C]

I think that there should be therapists on set. I also don't think that everybody should be Making money off the child. I know that that sounds weird, but I guess what I'm ultimately saying is, like, when. When you're paying for everything, it's hard to trust everybody.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

When somebody is making money off of you, you don't really know if they're telling the truth or not.

[B]

They have an interest.

[C]

They have a back to work. Exactly. So I think there should be people that aren't being paid from the child, that aren't connected to the child's payroll, whether that's a therapist that is paid through SAG or whatever, that it can be support for the children that is unbiased.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Is. Is important. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's. It's. It's really tough because when you're a child, you're trying to figure out who you are and what you want to be, and all you have is your parents to trust. But then not to say all parents can't be trusted, but some of these parents can. Of course, you know, you don't know. And so it's really difficult to be a child and have to have such a mature and objective thing about thing. There's no way that your innocence is not lost. Yeah, your innocence is going to be lost. It's just what happens. And so if there's somebody that can. Can help guide them through that, then I would say, yeah, that kind of person. A therapist or, you know, someone like that.

[B]

Yeah, that's a good point. You know, we're the same age, and something you wrote about in your book, I felt like was so relatable. As you know, Jackie and I grew up, like, we love tv. I mean, we do pop culture for a living. Like, so many of our, like, family, like, favorite experiences revolve around movies and TV shows. And you were explaining, and I thought this was so interesting that, like, through. In certain, like, traumatic things you'd been through in your life, you were really only able to understand what was happening to you because you saw it in a movie or a TV show. Like when you were saying that you saw an episode of SVU about, like, a child being abused like you were. That was like, the first time in your life you realized, like, that that was actively happening to you.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And I thought that was really powerful because I think a lot of people our age who grew up, like, watching a lot of tv, I think our. That's how we, like, that's. It informs how we see the world and how we, like, learn things. And then that Laura Dern movie. And it helped you realize that you Were in like a relationship that was a little, you know, I thought that was so interesting and like really very self aware of you to realize.

[C]

Oh, wow, thank you. I think, I think I've always wondered like, what is it that ultimately leads me to love the things that I do. And it's coming from a place of service. And I think that art with intention can be very much of service to others. And so in writing this book, I was really trying to articulate like that passion and how it drives my purpose and what that means to me at the core outside of just being an entertainer, but really ultimately like representing being a person of the community, showing and sharing stories, being of service of people through. Through my gift, which is performing in this particular way as an artist. And I was going back to some of those first times where I realized the power of storytelling and how it can be of service to so many of our emotions that we didn't even know that we had. Where you can just watch a movie and you're like, oh my gosh, like that's me. Yeah, that's me. Or this did hurt me. Or I never realized that, oh my gosh, this is what I think and what I feel. And you know, the tale and the other, the Law and Order SVU episode, all those things were a big part of my realization and being able to share and articulate that in the book.

[B]

Right. And then you become, it's full circle because you then become a part of movies and TV show that inform how other people see the world.

[A]

So it's very shape other people.

[B]

It's really. I loved that. I think that a lot of people, I'd never thought about it before, but I'm like, no, I think definitely, like I understand things that I've been through and different things that I've lived through. Just because I've seen it played out in a movie or a TV show.

[C]

It'S so, so true and it shapes how we feel and think in society. Like obviously, like, I feel like even with satire, like I hate so much how satire has not been like as much of an exciting thing the. In this era. Like I think everything is kind of literal in a lot of ways.

[B]

It gets lost on like the youth.

[C]

Yeah, it gets, the satire gets lost. But like when I think about movies like Mean Girls, like at the end of the day that movie is also saying like, this is what it. This is. This is. This is growing up as this is growing up.

[B]

And that's really what it was when we were kids. Oh my God, you Know what I mean?

[C]

Where it's like, people are just like, are you a mean girl or are you just a young woman?

[B]

Ooh.

[C]

That's what the movie was actually, to me, was saying. Because, okay, Regina is outwardly mean, but Lindsay became. Remember when old girl said, you are a mean girl?

[B]

You're a bitch.

[A]

You're a bitch.

[C]

You're a bitch. That's what. And it's so nuanced because the conversation is really like, everybody is just trying to figure out how to belong. And sometimes that means you might be mean or you might do things, but it's like the compassion that we then had from seeing Lindsey have that whole thing in the movie gave us the compassion for Regina, where Regina, just a young. She was also just a young girl.

[B]

She had things going on at home.

[C]

I mean, her mama was talking about some. I'm a cool mom. Like, you know, so it's like, I love that too. Like, what is the entry point to talk about something that is important to us, you know?

[B]

I'm gonna let Jackie ask you, but I do want to say I feel like. And this is gonna be Jackie's foray into all the questions she has for you about scream queens. Oh, I feel like scream queens kind of like a more modern version for, like, a younger crowd of mean girls.

[C]

I think, with a spooky element, with the spooky lim. But I think it. I mean, they talk so much about diversity and inclusion. And I mean, even with my character in the end, coming around to Emma Roberts character, who was totally being racially not correct to Z day. But then they had that moment, and they were just trying, I think, yes. To put a lot of those things into the forefront and to have those conversations through satire that we otherwise wouldn't have. But, you know, Ryan is, you know, the king of satire, in my opinion. Even with Glee, you know, that whole thing in my mind was so satirical, being in that school and what it means to be a singer. You know what I mean? I think he does that very well when it comes to comedy. I mean, even with Nip Tuck and America, all of it has this, like, heightened element, but there's something else underneath that they're showcasing. And so, yeah, I feel like with Scream Queens, it was very much that, putting all us up in there together. Michelle, Emma Roberts, Jackie, ask all your.

[B]

Questions like, you don't understand how Jackie is.

[A]

I will. Oh, I'm obsessed. I'm due for a Scream Queens rewatch. But you said in your book how, like, you actually develop a lot as, like, a human being, through some of the roles that you've done, you learn about the character and, like, teaches you just, like, a different point of view or, like, empathy towards that person. So, like, what's do you think is the role that has, like, taught you the most?

[C]

The role that taught me the most. That's really hard, I would say. I mean, this is. I don't think it's cliche, but it's. It's probably to be expected. But I think it. The moment, the. The time in which I did it set the foundation of a lot of the things I believe today. And I think this is also why my parents were so specific about the roles that they let me play as a kid, because they knew that it would also be a reflection of how I wanted to be. Like, I was representing a role for others, but I was also representing characters and roles for myself.

[B]

And you, like your family.

[C]

Family, exactly. So Akilah and the Bee. I think the foundation of Akilah and the Bee, really, like, even when I think about the Marianne Williamson cloak, you know, when, you know, who are we not to be? You know, like, all of that really set the stage for me and who I wanted to be and just all those early influences. So I think that that role gave me the most.

[B]

That's so interesting.

[A]

I love that it's such a. Yeah, it's just a quality movie. Okay, well, we have a fun little game for you because you're in so many things that we love in the. Like, we could sit and, like, talk, pick each one and get a recap at that. We want to play, like, for hours, but we want to do, like, a little word association. Like, we're going to mention a movie or a show and just, like, what do you associate with that? Like, first word that comes to mind. Okay, okay. Akilah and the Bee family.

[C]

Love that.

[A]

True. Jackson V.P.

[C]

Boss.

[B]

Boss. Yes. Women in business.

[C]

Okay. Come on. Presentation. She was a fashion doogie.

[A]

Early don't play early girl boss.

[B]

Early girl. Were you girl boss. Like, so Close to the sun with Trish Jackson.

[C]

That is hilarious.

[B]

It's true.

[A]

Jump in.

[C]

Fun. It was a ball.

[B]

Honey, you keep in touch with Corbin Blue?

[C]

I haven't talked to Corbin in years.

[B]

You guys should get together.

[C]

I know. I wonder how Corbin has been.

[B]

Get those jump ropes.

[C]

Okay, now that would be fabulous if me and Corbin went out there and double Dutch, y'all.

[B]

Oh, my God, the Internet would tear. Seriously not be. Okay, wait, sorry, really quickly.

[A]

Speak of the Internet is not okay with everything. That you do. It's just, it's.

[B]

I want to know. I. I don't. And the reason why I think you're so successful at becoming a meme is because you're never trying. You're really just being yourself. Like, you didn't realize, I'm sorry to this man, like, was going to become seriously a part of popular culture.

[C]

When you get out of bed and.

[B]

Like, you're doing an interview, like, even here, like, are you worried at all that, like, the one thing you're saying is going to become a meme or you just have to, like, embrace it and lit like you can't think like that.

[C]

I wouldn't say I'm worried, but I'm definitely like, hey, anything can happen. I think that's why, I mean, even before starting to this man, that's something that I think as an entertainer, you're just like, you don't know where this is going. Which is why I said that. Sorry to this man because I was like, look, don't try me. Yeah. I was like, you know, I'm like, what's going to happen if I don't know this or that? And so I'm just genuinely being like, hey, guys, like, this is me. This is what I'm doing. You know, hey, whatever it is, like, all love, you know, peace up.

[B]

Is there. What do you think is the biggest, like, meme of yours? Oh, like, that was huge. That was huge. Also Gaggett, like, you have so many.

[C]

Such a fun moment in time. What is my favorite meme? I think that honestly my favorite one because it feels a little bit like there's two. There's one that's kind of like niche that almost was not even like really started by me. It was like a story about me that became like kind of a copy. Pasta is baby. This is Kiki Palmer.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

That one's so like in the back, back background. But then another one that I like that's also very like, low key is this one has a little sweetness to it.

[B]

Is that from Hot Ones?

[C]

Yes. I love that one. Because the thing people go so far.

[B]

With, you were so crazy.

[C]

Like, somebody was like, oh, when a mosquito bites a diabetic. Why would you say that? Why do they do that? Guys, when they take this stuff out of context, it gives me life.

[B]

Well, let me ask you a question. You're like one of the very few people to have ever done Hot Ones more than one time. You've been on it twice, right?

[C]

Oh, yeah. I didn't realize it because Your first.

[B]

One was so popular.

[C]

That one was so crazy.

[B]

And you were really on it, like, before the show blew up. Like, now it's super popular. But your episode, like, was really a part of their come up. Is it the worst experience on the planet? It looks horrible now.

[C]

Let me just tell you, Sean Evans, he's brilliant. He's so awesome. He's such a great journalist. And I. And I love how he created something that was new in our. I mean, I feel like we're all in this, in these different spaces, trying to, like, you know, mil millennials are trying to. Yeah, we're trying to level things up. We want to come into these spaces and be like, we're bringing something. He crushes it. And so I'm very happy for him and all his success.

[B]

You are so funny on it. Thank you.

[C]

I got to do it again. I don't. You do. You haven't been back to see my boo.

[B]

And they made all those vegan accommodations. Right. That was really sweet. Very generous.

[C]

I was on a crazy diet at that time. No longer am I. Give me the regular wings.

[B]

Eating the real wings.

[C]

Oh, give me the real wings.

[B]

Okay, Jackie. Sorry. Back to work association.

[A]

No, no, thank you. Next is Scream Queens. One word.

[C]

Crazy. That was such a crazy time and experience. So much was happening with me.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. But also the show was insane because we didn't even get the scripts until, like, after, like, they would give us the script sometimes the day of, like, they were writing the show as we were going. And I think, like, also, like, I don't know, it's just like, an interesting thing where I feel like they were also feeding off of us. And the conversations with the girls.

[B]

Chemistry.

[C]

Yes. To really pull those things that, like you said, the satire, but also the real conversations that are happening with when you put a group of girls together that are from different worlds and backgrounds.

[B]

Do you think that Leah Michelle can read? Do you know that conspiracy theory? She can't read. There's a conspiracy theory on the Internet that's largely been debunked because, like, she just did a Broadway play. Like, you have to learn your lines. But there is an Internet theory that was actually started by, like, a, like, really funny podcasters, like, a million years ago that caught on, like, rapid fire, that she cannot read, that she's illiterate.

[C]

How did they. So what did they pull it?

[B]

All these different interviews, her Instagram captions. The belief was that Ryan Murphy hires her because he knows her secret and that he reads his lines to her so that she doesn't have to ever read a script.

[C]

Damn, that's crazy. Why do people do this stuff?

[B]

You ever see her reading a book on set?

[C]

You know what?

[A]

Can't say she has.

[C]

I don't know if I ever. I mean, don't nobody see me reading a book on set, right? I mean, dang. I know that she could read, y'all. I ain't never seen her reading, but I know that she can read. She's got. She's got her.

[B]

Kiki has officially debunked the mess.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. Thank you.

[A]

I'm sure. I never. I. I believe Leah can read. And I also think if she couldn't, like, in the time that the theory has been out, so what?

[B]

Right?

[C]

She is. Some people can't read.

[B]

Some people can't do a lot of things. It doesn't hold them back.

[C]

Mama can't read.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Tell what she know. Agreed. All I'm here for y'all. They don't read. They can't read.

[B]

It's true.

[A]

The.

[B]

The illiterate community needs a voice like that.

[C]

That's right. They do. We got, you know, hold them up.

[A]

They do. Next one. We haven't even spoken about this, which is crazy. Hustlers.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Oh, hustlers. I mean, the word could either be magical, it could be fabulous, But I would say fabulous. Mostly, it was a really fabulous time. I mean, I think anything Jennifer Lopez does is quite fabulous. She just brings the fabulosity to anything that she does.

[B]

That was such a good movie.

[C]

Oh, thank you. I feel like, for me, that movie was really breaking through in comedy in a traditional sense, because I had been doing it through socials and really, like, kind of doing my own content creation and showing people kind of, like, how it was evolving as an artist. And then when I actually did that movie, I think people saw it, like, in real time on a main stage.

[B]

And that's why last year, I remember when it was announced, Jackie and I were so excited that you were hosting snl, because that's like, first of all, like, peak comedy. But you have gotten so far off of, like, you really like your own talent and your own hard work for so long that seeing you host snl, you were amazing. Like, we expected nothing less, but it was so cool to see someone who, like, utilizes social media and utilizes all facets of the business, like, really get yourself opportunity. And that was. You were amazing.

[C]

Oh, that means so much to me. Thank you. I mean, I really do love what I do. Like, I love Craft. I grew up loving it. It was great to do SNL because it brought that element of stage and TV back, which I only feel like I've gotten through multicam sitcoms, which unfortunately seem like they're not a thing anymore.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And it literally is a stab to my heart. Like, come on, we need more shows. Like, did I do that? Yeah, we don't have any of that stuff anymore. So anyway, I really loved being able to do that with snl, and it was just, I mean, going back to my roots and the things I love most about entertainment.

[B]

So good.

[A]

You talk about in the book how, like, at a certain point in your career, like, you invested in yourself. Like, I think it was around the time that you were doing screen queens. Like, was that, like, a conscious choice to, like, focus on, like, the key, really, to become a master of you, as the title is, but, like, to focus on your brand and, like, your social media and make that, like, another tent pole in your business?

[C]

It was. It was a conscious thing for me. But I also, again, I. You know, I have a producer partner named Max Wyeth who was working for, like, Dish Nation at the time, and they would want to do a lot of content for Scream Queens. And at that point, I was already doing my own content, like, kind of just having fun, because it was the only way that I could showcase ideas and things I wanted to do outside of, like, asking for someone to give me the opportunity traditionally. So I did it as a way to creatively express. And so then I meet Max Wyeth during Scream Queens, and he, like, a lot of the girls didn't want to do social media stuff with him, but I was always down because I've just always been into, like, social media stuff. And so he and I. Yeah, it was fun. Exactly. It was fun to me. And so he and I became, like, really good friends. And he was like, kiki. This is how Max. Like, Kiki, you need to. You sound like an old lady. We need to do something called Southern Belle Insults. And I'm like, what the hell is Southern Belle Insults? And that's when we came up with this character, Lady Ms. Jacqueline, who we have continued to grow and evolve this character. And then we did Chelsea Barbie Taylor, which I did, turned up with the Taylors and got Miami. And so I really created a camaraderie and a love festival with Max. And that also encouraged me to continue to invest in big ways of my comedy online, because he would. Max would always tell me. He was like, keke, you can do this. We have to do it ourselves. Don't be afraid. Like, let's go. And, like, it really. It really has made a difference in my career. So I always think it's important to say, because I don't do everything alone.

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[C]

You know, I take a step, and then the people around me encourage me to take a few more steps.

[B]

Is there a TV show on right now that you would love to be on that you watch and love and enjoy?

[C]

That's such a good question.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Is there a TV show that I like to be on and I watch and love and joy Love Island. Know what I'm saying? Okay, what is the show? I really loved this show that I just watched recently, and I could see myself also being on it. It was called Evil. It's no longer on anymore. But what I like about this show is because it just talked about. So it almost sounds like a joke because it's a priest, a skeptic, and a psychologist, and they're like.

[B]

Walk into a bar.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. Walk into a bar and they're like, literally solving all of these. It's almost like lawn order svu, but, like, spiritual and then like, psychological.

[B]

Like, kind of like Monk. Yes.

[C]

I love that type of thing. First of all, I love anything. Hey, honestly, when Olivia Benson retires, I would love. I would love to.

[B]

Kiki Benson. Come on, Keke Benson.

[A]

We're ready.

[C]

Monica Jones.

[B]

People aren't ready for it.

[C]

What's going. We've got to save these kids. She is lost 32 hours and 5 minutes. That's all we've got, John.

[B]

So good.

[C]

There's one thing I do. We're gonna save this little girl. It's the last thing.

[B]

Like, I always sound like you're Angela Bassett impersonation, but it's funny, because Angela.

[C]

Bassett, doesn't she do a show like that?

[B]

Oh, yeah, she does. She does.

[C]

91 1.

[B]

All the greats. You gotta get on. Like, you need. I love you.

[A]

Gotta be a detective.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? I see that in my future. Like, am I Equalizer? You know what I'm saying? Am I 91 1?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Am I Olivia Benson, the detective for the children? Like, I could see that 50s, 60s, baby. I'm. I'm sitting at this. Or I could be a pastor solving crime. I'm here for something like this.

[B]

Oh, wait, I'm sorry. I've been sitting here the whole time, and I can't believe I haven't brought this up. Last year at the Christmas tree lighting, you did a Song, right? Or one of those Christmas, like things.

[C]

Of course, with Adam Blackstone.

[B]

Oh, my God. Like, people don't know. And of course, Bottoms Up. Like, we all knew where we were. We all. We all remember where we were when Bottoms up came out.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

You have such an amazing voice. I wish. First of all, I love those Christmas primetime specials. I'm like, I'm Jewish, and I'm like, give me more. I'm obsessed. You. I was so blown away by your vocals. I've always known that you can sing, but, like, you were up there, like, doing better than some of those professional singers who you. I had to just tell you that it was literally the best thing I'd ever heard. You're like the female Michael Buble. You need to do a Christmas album.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. I do live for Michael Buble, and I do think I need to go ahead, do a little Christmas album. You know, I'm just here for The Sammy Davis Jr. Vaudeville of it all, the Julie Garland. Like, thank you. I really just love that old school entertainment. And honestly, it's very theater. Like, it's just all very theater. Kid down. And it's so funny because when I think about me, Lily, or Ariana, just like a lot of those Nick kids, even the ones that did Victorious, Leon, Thomas, we all were just very much trying to get to Broadway. It was all so dramatic. And we ready to sing on a hat, you know, like, it's just extra. And I think it took a long time for me to realize that that was, like, a lot of how I was trained, because I immediately went into film and tv, but both of my parents did theater, and that's how they. That's how I fell in love with entertainment.

[B]

Yeah, I learned that from your book. I didn't know that you had a theater background.

[C]

Yeah, literally, I didn't either until I actually did theater for the first time. I said, oh, this is why my parents trained me like this. I'm actually trained. You learned something like a theater, right? I was like, oh, this is so interesting. And so, yeah, I honestly shout out to my parents because that's how they taught me to see art, like, kind of all around. You don't have to do one thing.

[B]

I have one final question for you, Jackie. Let me know if you have one. Anything else I do want to know. What is Kiki Palmer's Go to karaoke song?

[C]

My Go to karaoke song is always Amor Pavito by Not Familiar Sick.

[B]

Please. You'll have to sing it. Come on.

[C]

Y'all know J. Lo played that role down.

[B]

No, mine is literally bottoms up.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

We don't talk enough about it.

[C]

Why was I doing all that?

[B]

No, why weren't you doing more? It was so good.

[C]

We had so much fun. First of all, shout out to my sister, L'Oreal Palmer. She was LC on celebrity fame. Acclaim to Fame. Anyway, she won.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[C]

She won. And she ate down. I didn't know she wrote the that song.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yes, she did. We was up in the studio, and I love that my mom would always be in the back, like, y'all need to write these songs. Ain't nobody getting no credit. Ain't nobody getting no credit.

[B]

But she's so right.

[C]

She wasn't playing.

[A]

She's right for that.

[C]

Drove them music people crazy. She said, my daughters can write. My daughters can write. L'Oreal, go, go. And we'll be like, ain't finish. Come on, come on. And she'll be. Honestly, she's a little Joeish.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I mean? But she wasn't cussing us out. She was cussing them out.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That was, like, the better part about it.

[B]

Mama Bear.

[C]

Mama bear. She was cussing all the execs out. But we were sitting there being like.

[B]

Yeah, just singing, doing your thing.

[C]

My mama gonna get you together. Don't play.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Well, it has really been such a dream. Thank you so much for being here. It's been the toast, guys. Check out Kiki's book. It's called Master Me. You can get it anywhere. You get books. It came out today. Good luck with the launch. We're so excited for you. And really, just like, bucket list dream guest. You are even more than we thought. You check.

[C]

Oh, thank you so much. It's been so awesome hanging out with you guys. And maybe next time I get to see you in person.

[B]

Boo.

[A]

Yes, totally.

[B]

It'd be nice. Yeah.

[A]

We thank you so much.

[B]

And by the way, we didn't even talk about it, but check out Kiki's podcast. It's so funny. You're such a great interviewer.

[A]

A fellow podcaster, a fellow podcaster.

[B]

We love to see women in the media.

[C]

Like, we're. We're metering.

[B]

We are meteoring. So check that out. The book is called Master of Me. And we'll see you guys on the next episode. Love you. Love, Love you. Bye.