Eating Potatoes and Doody: Tuesday, March 10th, 2026

Summary

The Toast — Ep. "Eating Potatoes and Doody"

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: Tuesday, March 10th, 2026
Producer: Dear Media

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Episode Overview

This lively Tuesday episode of The Toast with Jackie and Claudia Oshry brings the usual blend of pop culture commentary, personal anecdotes, and candid, comedic banter. The main themes revolve around recent movie watches (notably Interstellar), the hosts’ recognition as Inc. 500 Female Founders, current viral moments on TikTok, several hot celebrity stories (including Baywatch reboot news, celebrity fashion drama, and royal family updates), and their signature “Dear Toasters” advice segment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Catching Up: Movies, Space, & Potatoes

• Jackie watched Interstellar for the first time
  • [00:46] Jackie reveals she finally finished Interstellar, sparking a playful breakdown of the film’s cast and confusing science fiction ending.
  • Discussion on Christopher Nolan’s works and why Jackie hasn’t watched Oppenheimer yet.
  • Notable Quote — Jackie: “When it ended, I realized I just watched a Christopher Nolan film...I think that was my first one.” [01:15]
  • [02:31] Jackie: “His daughter is played by Renesmee [from Twilight]...And you know who Renesmee becomes? Jessica Chastain.”
• Obsession with outer space movies
  • [03:49] Jackie: “There was a period like 10, five, 10 years ago where like everyone was making outer space movies.”
  • Comical review of having only seen the “bad” space movies—Ad Astra, Passengers—while missing the hits.
  • [05:02] Jackie: “It wasn’t gravity, it wasn’t shmavity, and it wasn’t Martian cavity. I’ve seen bits of the Martian where he's making potatoes and eating his duty.”
  • Running joke: “Matt Damon eating his duty in space.”

Major Milestone: The Inc. 500 Female Founders List

• [05:44] Jackson Claude announces their inclusion in the Inc. 500 Female Founders List:
  • “Did he make the Inc. 500 female founders list? No, but we did.”
  • [06:43] Jackie emphasizes authenticity’s importance: “We stay on brand by being ourselves. And that’s why authenticity is key in this business and why the female founders.”
  • Humorous reflection on being spotlighted for International Women’s Month.
  • [07:04] Discussion of Ben’s latest entrepreneurial idea via text and insights on running multiple businesses.

TikTok & Internet Culture Trends

• [09:07] Jackson shares about her sister Margot’s viral outfit-shaming TikTok moment and discusses handling internet criticism.
  • [09:44] Jackie: “At the end of the day, there’s nothing to understand. It’s a jean sweater.”
  • Parallel to The Devil Wears Prada: Margot is “cerulean and everyone else is Andy.”
• Hosts go viral for the “pout” trend
  • [11:19] Jackson: “I made a video about the pout...I’m, like, approaching 2 million views on that.”
• [12:15] Banter about “classic” phrases and pet peeves over trends like giving objects pronouns: “You buy a purse, being like, isn’t she beautiful? ...I hate that.” [12:39]

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Fast 5 Stories: Commentary & Pop Culture Analysis

1. Baywatch Reboot Cast Reveal

• [19:32] Jackie: “Our first story, Baywatch reboot is coming to Fox tv, and we've got our stars.”
• Cast includes Brooks Nader and Noah Beck (playing a rookie lifeguard); skepticism about yet another reboot.
  • [20:06] Jackson: “The Baywatch franchise has sort of been like, beaded into a pulp...Wasn't there already a show? There was a movie. It's just not working. It was sort of a moment in time.”
  • [21:44] “Put Brooks Nader in the next Christopher Nolan movie. Okay, I said it.” (Jackson Claude)
• [23:43] Debate whether lifeguarding is a "job of the past"; playful disagreement about the prevalence of lifeguards.

2. Chappell Roan Claps Back at Paparazzi

• [28:10] Singer Chappell Roan films paparazzi as they swarm her in Paris.
  • [29:47] Jackson: “She doesn't like being famous...so, you know, maybe we should all just stop because she doesn’t like it.”
  • Discussion about boundaries, paparazzi culture, and the pitfalls of celebrity; tough love, “Protect yourself or shut up. I actually can't take it anymore.” [31:58]

3. Dakota Johnson’s Calvin Klein Campaign

• [32:18] Dakota Johnson launches a provocative Calvin Klein shoot, sparking discussion of campaign strategy, comparisons to nepo baby discourse, and campaign recall.
  • [35:24] Jackie: “She's a very positive Q score. When we talk about the Nepo baby conversation...But we’re not talking about you.”
  • Discussion of Ben Platt’s family media post segues into broader thoughts on nepo privileges.

4. Royal Family & Meghan Markle Business News

• [38:09] Royal update: Beatrice and Eugenie facing royal audit, possible separation from core duties due to financial irregularities.
• [39:52] Meghan Markle’s As Ever brand and its rumored shutdown.
  • [42:34] Jackson: “It’s actually insane the amount of businesses they launch or announce and then eventually don’t even launch, or if they do, they fail. Like, it’s insane.”
  • Deep dive into their business struggles and speculation on future moves.
  • [46:53] Jackie: “I feel like with everything that they do, it’s getting worse for them...everything just makes it worse. And I don’t know that there’s something that’s going to get it back for them other than actually enjoying the privacy that they asked for.”

5. Dak Prescott’s Broken Engagement

• [51:49] Breaking relationship news: “Dak Prescott and his lady love, Sarah Jane Ramos are heartbroken after calling off their engagement five weeks before their wedding.”
  • The hosts are baffled by the abrupt split, especially as the couple has two children.
  • [53:18] Jackie: “Yeah. A two year old and a nine month old.”
  • [53:29] Jackson: “Unless it’s unforgivable… it’s giving unforgivable, like cheating, something.”

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “It wasn’t gravity, it wasn’t shmavity, and it wasn’t Martian cavity.” — Jackie, recalling space movies [05:02]
• “Authenticity is key in this business and why the female founders.” — Jackie [06:43]
• “Protect yourself or shut up. I actually can't take it anymore.” — Jackson, about Chappell Roan’s public complaints about fame [31:58]
• “The body is tea. People really love body less bestie.” — Jackson on Dakota Johnson [35:34]
• “It’s actually insane the amount of businesses they launch or announce and then eventually don’t even launch, or if they do, they fail.” — Jackson [42:34]
• “If they just stop when they megxited and they did Oprah and they just like, were like these quiet, mysterious celebrities, they would have...” — Jackie [46:49]

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Dear Toasters — Advice Segment

1. Boyfriend Runs Home to Mom After Disagreements

• [54:44] Red flag if boyfriend always goes home to his mom after relationship arguments.
  • [55:16] Jackie: “If my adult son...isn’t adulting...that means we haven’t done our job.”
  • Advice: Bring it up—avoidance shows lack of communication/maturity.

2. Husband & Best Friend’s Questionable Sleepover

• [56:52] Wife concerned by husband's “non-gay” but odd Moscato and sleepover with best friend at friend's parents’ house.
  • Not explicitly concerned for sexuality, more so about immature friendship.
  • [58:47] Jackie: “I don’t love this… He sounds like a loser—not a [gay], a straight loser.”

3. ChatGPT Wrote Birthday Card

• [60:23] Girlfriend discovers boyfriend used ChatGPT to write touching birthday card.
  • Both hosts agree: It’s endearing he wanted to express feelings nicely and asked for help (if he truly means it). Reflect on the evolving etiquette with AI.

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Notable Timestamps

• [01:14] Jackie realizes she watched a Christopher Nolan film
• [05:44] Announcement of Inc. 500 Female Founder List recognition
• [09:07] TikTok outfit shaming story
• [11:19] Hosts' viral “pout” trend video
• [19:32] “Baywatch” reboot news
• [28:10] Chappell Roan paparazzi incident
• [32:18] Dakota Johnson’s Calvin Klein campaign
• [38:09] Royal Family update & charity audit
• [39:52] Meghan Markle's "As Ever" business updates
• [51:49] Dak Prescott’s split announcement
• [54:44] Start of Dear Toasters advice segment

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Tone & Style

Warm, irreverent, self-aware, with signature millennial humor and quick-witted cultural commentary. The hosts blend personal anecdotes with a quick, entertaining pace.

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Summary

This episode is quintessential Toast: movie talk, viral laughs, entrepreneurial pride, pop culture analysis, candid social critique, and empathetic yet comedic relationship advice. Whether discussing lifeguards, influencer drama, royal scandals, or ChatGPT love notes, Jackie and Claudia deliver smart, authentic, and genuinely funny takes for their fiercely loyal audience.

Transcript

[Jackson Claude]

Good morning, girlies.

[Jackie]

It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[Jackson Claude]

It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off.

[Jackie]

Swirly.

[Jackson Claude]

It's the Toast.

[Jackie]

They sound amazing.

[Jackson Claude]

Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Tuesday. Hope everybody's having a part. Delicious definitions week thus far. And it's only Tuesday.

[Jackie]

It's only Tuesday, so it's too soon to call.

[Jackson Claude]

Let's just, you know, let that sink in, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah, but I think. I think there. The potential for Paris is on the horizon.

[Jackson Claude]

The potential is definitely there.

[Jackie]

I'm thinking a lot about the horizon because I did something crazy last night.

[Jackson Claude]

Thinking a lot about the horizon. You watched a sunset?

[Jackie]

No, crazier.

[Jackson Claude]

What?

[Jackie]

I finished Interstellar.

[Jackson Claude]

That is crazy. Actually, when I turned on my TV last night, I. I said, I wonder if she's watching interstellar.

[Jackie]

So your 10 years late interstellar recap is.

[Jackson Claude]

Starts now.

[Jackie]

Now. Did you ever see it? No.

[Jackson Claude]

I don't even know what movie we're talking about.

[Jackie]

I was hoping that you had, because I have some questions about the ending. First of all, when it ended.

[Jackson Claude]

Don't spoil it, by the way.

[Jackie]

No, I'm not. I'm not. When it ended, I realized I just watched a Christopher Nolan film.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I don't think I knew that.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I think that was my first one.

[Jackson Claude]

You never see Oppenheimer.

[Jackie]

I didn't see Oppenheimer.

[Jackson Claude]

Don't let Josh Peck hear that.

[Jackie]

I had a lot going on during

[Jackson Claude]

Barney at the time. Yeah, right. I saw Oppenheimer. And you would like it. Like, it's such a swirly biography, historical fiction, the communists.

[Jackie]

That area is my concentration. Yeah. So I should watch Oppenheimer. And maybe now I will. Now that I've put into.

[Jackson Claude]

You're familiar with Nolan's work, so I

[Jackie]

thought it was great. It's so funny to me that Timothy's favorite movie is one that he's in, and he acts like he was a background actor. He's not. He's in, like, the first 40 minutes.

[Jackson Claude]

Wow.

[Jackie]

And then, you know, as they age the characters, you know who he ages out into. Your least favorite actor, Mark Ruffalo. Casey Affleck.

[Jackson Claude]

Is he my least favorite actor?

[Jackie]

Like, lobster.

[Jackson Claude]

Is he the lobster?

[Jackie]

Right.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I don't know. Because one thing, I mean, like, I don't know who Casey Affleck is, other than the fact that he has some, like, really serious allegations. And I think he's Ben Affleck's brother. Cousin. What about the world? So I just want to say, like, I'm definitely not a fan of Casey Avoc, but I don't think about him. I'm sort of ambivalent.

[Jackie]

And so if you thought that that age jump was good. Young daughter.

[Jackson Claude]

Don't spoil it. I'll watch it.

[Jackie]

I need to just tell you this. You're not gonna watch it because this is in the opening scene. His daughter is played by Renesmee.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. I was wondering what happened to Resmee after her prolific performance.

[Jackie]

She's in a lot of stuff.

[Jackson Claude]

Is she?

[Jackie]

Yeah, she was also in like the Nutcracker. She's in a lot of stuff. And you know who Renesmee becomes?

[Jackson Claude]

Esme. No, that would be good.

[Jackie]

Jessica Chastain.

[Jackson Claude]

Perfect.

[Jackie]

If you see it.

[Jackson Claude]

Perfect.

[Jackie]

See it. They did a really, really good job. The casting is really on point. Anne Hathaway's in it.

[Jackson Claude]

Really?

[Jackie]

Jamie from Yellowstone. Well, that was a jump scare.

[Jackson Claude]

But he hate that guy.

[Jackie]

He's a good astronaut.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I hate. Okay, so all in all, like, rate the movie.

[Jackie]

Oh, I thought it was really great. Like a really good tele movie. If we're like on the Goodreads scale, it's a five. I just have questions about the end I didn't fully understand. Not that it was like men for me not to understand, but just like scientifically. Wait, what just happened?

[Jackson Claude]

Do you know what? I'll make a commitment in like one week to try and watch Interstellar so we can have an in depth posthumous review.

[Jackie]

Okay. I feel like Ben would like it.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, Ben is always wanting to watch movies. Movies are just a little too long for me. But in this case, I'll make an exception.

[Jackie]

You can make it a two night affair, part one and two.

[Jackson Claude]

To me that's so crazy.

[Jackie]

You should do it the way I

[Jackson Claude]

did it before in part two, in an intermission.

[Jackie]

The intermission was at a perfect time. Also, I feel like there was a period like 10, five, 10 years ago where like everyone was making outer space movies.

[Jackson Claude]

Like of course Martian. Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I didn't see any of the good ones. I just saw the one with Brad Pitt that did nothing and went nowhere.

[Jackson Claude]

I know. What's the one with Sandra Bullock and I want to say George Clooney.

[Jackie]

They did an astronaut movie.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I saw Ad Astray. And you know what? That tracks because it sounds like SAG Aftra.

[Jackson Claude]

Can you look up movie about space with Sandra Bullock gravity? Yeah. I think like they're what they get. They get disconnected from their space station. Station and they're just sort of floating for like an eternity.

[Jackie]

Wow.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Wow. You really are disgusting.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, you're right. There was a sort of obsession.

[Jackie]

So, no, I didn't see Interstellar at the time. I didn't see the Martian.

[Jackson Claude]

And then what's the.

[Jackie]

I did see Ad Astra.

[Jackson Claude]

Jennifer Lawrence, One Passengers.

[Jackie]

I saw that, too. If it was a bad one, I saw it. If it was a good one, I'll watch.

[Jackson Claude]

It tracks. You. You are often sort of attracted to, like, the bad movies and TV shows.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

No, because you see in them what others don't say.

[Jackie]

It's subjective, you know, and it's not. It's not. There's no rhyme or reason. Like Ad Astra. Brad Pitt Goes to Space. Who'd a thunk? But it just didn't. It wasn't gravity, it wasn't shmavity, and it wasn't Martian cavity. I've seen bits of the Martian where he's making potatoes and eating his duty.

[Jackson Claude]

Way to spoil it.

[Jackie]

And what's funny is he plays a similar character in this movie, has everyone to discuss that.

[Jackson Claude]

I don't know. I guess it's like when they made two Cinderellas at one time.

[Jackie]

Yeah. No, no, no. Literally, like, Matt Tateman's out there on his own again.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. In space.

[Jackie]

He love on his own and eating his duty. So I love that. Who doesn't love that for him? I love your duty.

[Jackson Claude]

I can't believe we've sort of sat here for eight minutes and not talked about our major career milestone that happened this morning.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Major career milestone.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Happy for Matt Damon that he, you know, ate potatoes and ate his duty. But did he make the Inc. 500 female founders list? No, but we did. As, you know, being finally being spotlighted as, like, the female founders that we are. Today's episode is kind of giving Confessions of a female Founder because, yes, we are two of the 500 recipients of the Inc 500 Female Founder Award.

[Jackie]

We are two of the five. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

We might need to replace Dr. Mike Chiodo in the spirit of International Women's Month.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Put Jackson Turdi in this frame.

[Jackie]

And our 498 fellow honorees.

[Jackson Claude]

You know what I just realized?

[Jackie]

A class photo.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, my God. You know what I just realized? What is this frame giving frames. It's like the exact frame we should paint a pink.

[Jackie]

But it's just. It's not even like a coincidence. It's like we like what we like.

[Jackson Claude]

We're attracted to a certain setting, attracted

[Jackie]

to a certain frame.

[Jackson Claude]

It's so true, actually.

[Jackie]

So we're just. We stay on brand by being ourselves. And that's why authenticity is key in this business and why the female founders.

[Jackson Claude]

And that's why, like, we will be at the top of our game till the day we die.

[Jackie]

I mean, no, jinx it. Well, Inc Found us to be at the top of our game as the female founders of Spritz. Indeed. Like all the.

[Jackson Claude]

All the other. I forget, like, how many businesses are in our portfolio and actually, Ben texted us this morning about starting another business. Did you say.

[Jackie]

I saw. I. The first words were so funny.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, my God. I spoke to my guy in China. That's what Ben texted us this morning.

[Jackie]

So I spoke to my guy in China. I didn't get a chance to read the whole thing. I got the gist, but we'll have to get into the deets.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, that was an interesting concept we'll have to do. I mean, that's what you can expect on a podcast hosted by two female founders. Yeah, I think this is what Meghan Markle was going for. Lots of, as ever, drama.

[Jackie]

I saw. It's in the news.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay, we'll talk about it today. We also have Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment. So in case you were like a girl in need, we might be helping you out at the end of the show today. So stay tuned for that.

[Jackie]

We might be helpful.

[Jackson Claude]

We might.

[Jackie]

And I'd be hurting you.

[Jackson Claude]

Let's. Let's do like a. Like a bit of a town hall on Dear Toaster submission. So if you ever want to write in, you can email us or you can go to our website. So the email is deartoasters gmail.com and the website is thetostpodcast.com There's a submission box. Both methods are totally anonymous. Now, if you've written in and you haven't gotten on air, your quadra just might be uninteresting, in which case I can't help you. But if you've written in and you have an interesting thing and it hasn't gotten on air, it might be a little long. So maybe parent down with just the basic need to know stats. And also if you've written into us and we've helped you, like, be a little bit gracious and write us back, like, what happened?

[Jackie]

Give us an update.

[Jackson Claude]

We never get updates. I love updates. Yes, something. Just write like, put email in the subject line.

[Jackie]

Email and excuse me.

[Jackson Claude]

Put update in the subject line. Like, I don't know, I just. It just feels kind of tacky. To sort of take our advice and run. And, you know, our advice is that's

[Jackie]

like, that's what we're here for, you

[Jackson Claude]

know, like setting people free. Like, letting them fly.

[Jackie]

No, write us back. And it's like, we're here for the time of need. Like, we don't need to, you know. I understand it.

[Jackson Claude]

I don't.

[Jackie]

I understand it.

[Jackson Claude]

I don't.

[Jackie]

But wait, just like, for the tea, you know, are your girls are curious.

[Jackson Claude]

So that'll be to your twisters at the end of the episode today. How are the stories?

[Jackie]

Good things in which to discuss.

[Jackson Claude]

You know what I did this morning?

[Jackie]

What?

[Jackson Claude]

Something crazy.

[Jackie]

What? Watch the sunset.

[Jackson Claude]

Crazier. Facetime with my sister.

[Jackie]

Mario, how's Sachi?

[Jackson Claude]

You know, Sachi was getting some. Making some waves on Tick Tock yesterday.

[Jackie]

Share.

[Jackson Claude]

She posted her outfit. And, you know, Margot's like, a very cool girl who works in fashion and she likes to share her corporate outfits on Tick Tock, which I think is so interesting that she's like this, you know, influencer who also has a job. And people, like, hated her outfit yesterday. And they were being so mean to me. Okay. They're being so mean to her. And it was just like, sorry, Margot works in fashion. Like, maybe you guys just don't get it. You know what I mean?

[Jackie]

Show me. Well, sometimes I feel like they're mean to her when she's wearing. She showed me one that where they were being mean to her and she was wearing a sweater, jeans and boots.

[Jackson Claude]

She's wearing a sweater, jeans and boots today. And they didn't like it. And she was, like, getting hate comments. And I'm like, margaret, you're a fabulous young thing that lives in New York City. Like, sorry, the unemployed slobs on the Internet just don't get it. But, like, I get it.

[Jackie]

I get it.

[Jackson Claude]

She works in fashion. Like, you're not supposed to understand it.

[Jackie]

At the end of the day, there's nothing to understand. It's a jean sweater. And I know that's controversial. I'd love to see your outfit.

[Jackson Claude]

I love Margo's, like, corporate.

[Jackie]

The other time that she showed me the hate she was getting, she was literally wearing skinny jeans tucked into, like, riding boots and a sweater.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, like, normal outfit.

[Jackie]

I don't get why that's like, people are really looking. It's just very.

[Jackson Claude]

No, it's very high. Margaret's very high brow.

[Jackie]

The sweater or whatever. Like, okay, so you didn't like someone's sweater.

[Jackson Claude]

Margot's very high brow. It's okay. If you don't understand it, it's kind

[Jackie]

of handling the hate.

[Jackson Claude]

It's kind of giving that scene in the Devil Wears Prada. Like, Margot is cerulean and everyone else is just like, Andy, who picked out that sweater out of a bin picked out by the people in this room.

[Jackie]

How is she handling the hate?

[Jackson Claude]

You know, it was a devastating blow. But when I spoke to this morning, her spirit was strong and she didn't give a, like, one thing about Sachi. She's not gonna care.

[Jackie]

She should do, like, more.

[Jackson Claude]

I know, because she was like, I'm getting, like, a lot of followers. I'm like, well, you should put on something actually heinous, like.

[Jackie]

No, like something actually controversial. Like. Yeah, that sparks dialogue.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

You know, like a sweater with a swastika.

[Jackson Claude]

No, really controversial.

[Jackie]

Like something.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

Like. No, that's not what I meant.

[Jackson Claude]

No, you didn't mean that Margaret should wear swastika on her arm. I wrote about a yellow star.

[Jackie]

No, I didn't. I just meant, like, something divisive.

[Jackson Claude]

What's more divisive?

[Jackie]

Swastika. Aesthetically, okay. Not ideologically.

[Jackson Claude]

You had to be a little bit more specific aesthetically. So, yeah, that's what's going on in Tik Tok. Do you feel like I need to keep you updated?

[Jackie]

And what are they saying about us?

[Jackson Claude]

We are going viral for, like, our pout thing.

[Jackie]

Oh, okay.

[Jackson Claude]

So I made a video about the pout, which is what inspired me bringing it up yesterday. I'm, like, approaching 2 million views on that. And then we clipped our pout. And it, like, really is taking over

[Jackie]

is you looked nice on camera. I know.

[Jackson Claude]

So I need to work on it for sure. But it was. People were very encouraging in the comments. And I think people are really appreciated, like, you know, us pointing it out because, like, yeah, everyone is doing it. Like, Kylie does it to a lot. I think if you have you over line or if you have lip filler, like, it makes it easier a little bit. Because it's very top lip forward that

[Jackie]

I have a big top.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, you just have big lips, so

[Jackie]

why can't I do it? Like, why? So I should be saying, yeah, you should be psych.

[Jackson Claude]

You need to look in a mirror.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I have to research. Let's see.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay. No, I think I'm, like, pushing too much. I. I'll get there. All that to say. Yeah, we are making waves on Tick Tock. What else is new?

[Jackie]

Classic us.

[Jackson Claude]

Classic us. Classic in a classic kind of way.

[Jackie]

I want. Everyone used to say that Classic.

[Jackson Claude]

I feel like Ben kind of says that a lot.

[Jackie]

It's a good word.

[Jackson Claude]

It is. I. There were a couple of, like, phrases and things. We used to say that we're gone too soon. I know you are, but what am I?

[Jackie]

Oh, no. I would say classic is like, you know, in the same head of, like, it's giving.

[Jackson Claude]

I hate.

[Jackie]

It's giving vibes.

[Jackson Claude]

You know what else I hate?

[Jackie]

What did we say before? Vibes.

[Jackson Claude]

You know what else I really hate is giving pronouns to, like, inanimate objects. Like, you buy a purse. Being like, isn't she beautiful? It's like, no, I like, I hate that. Do you know what I mean?

[Jackie]

Yeah, that's very, like, influencer.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. I mean, she's literally gorgeous, and it's like a pencil. You know what I mean? I hate that.

[Jackie]

I. I don't think I do that,

[Jackson Claude]

but I'm sure I have just because, like, I get swept up in culture, but, like, I'm sort of sound of mind enough to step back every once in a while and being like, I hate that.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

When I see people do it, it's so cringe.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Say less, bestie.

[Jackson Claude]

Love that.

[Jackie]

I kind of love that.

[Jackson Claude]

And you know what? Say more.

[Jackie]

Do people say that? Like, say more? No, we're only encouraging everyone. We're only putting each other down.

[Jackson Claude]

Correct.

[Jackie]

Actually, no. Say less is like.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, I agree with you. Like, you don't even. Don't waste your breath. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Say yeah. It's actually a nice thing.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Say more would mean you didn't prove your argument right.

[Jackson Claude]

And, like. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jackie]

So let's get into the stories, because as we discussed, we have stories and

[Jackson Claude]

we have stuff to do like, like, your toasters.

[Jackie]

Without further ado to do, here are the fast five stories that you do need to know.

[Jackson Claude]

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[Jackie]

Thank you, Turt. As directed.

[Jackson Claude]

A pleasure.

[Jackie]

Our first story, Baywatch reboot is coming to Fox tv, and we've got our stars. So Brooks Nader has been announced as part of the Baywatch reboot, as has Noah Beck. He will be playing.

[Jackson Claude]

You're kidding. Oh, my God. I got sort of blindsided by the Brooks Nader.

[Jackie]

He will be playing a rookie lifeguard who comes from a family of firefighters. The duality of Noah.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. I just want to say I didn't know that was happening much like Cynthia Rebo, because I follow Brooks Nader, and I was just sort of like, like, obsessed with that.

[Jackie]

It was very Nader oriented.

[Jackson Claude]

It was Nader oriented. Love Brooks Theater, getting booked gigs. I mean, she's so Baywatch. Like, it's perfect. However, yeah, the Baywatch franchise has sort of been like, beaded into a pulp. Wasn't there already a show? There was a movie. Like, it's just not working. It was sort of a moment in time. It was lightning. A bottle. It was Pamela Anderson, like, just sort of let it be.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Even the movie that had, like, the Rock, Zac Efron. Right. Andrea Daddario, Alexandra Daddario, like, was a flop. I don't know how you can do it better than that. Now, of course, I put Brooks in anything, and I will watch it, but I just feel like Baywatch reboots are sort of cursed.

[Jackson Claude]

Not only are they cursed, but now it's like. It's, like, losery. Like, you know what I mean? I think of Baywatch, and I don't think Fabulous panel Anderson. They've quite literally successfully destroyed the legacy of Baywatch. Because now I think about all the failed attempts.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But let me ask you something. Like, if you're someone like Brooks and, like, you want to get into the industry and, like, an acting capacity, you've. You're making the jump from, like, turn this down. You get cast on the new Fox show, which is a reboot of a very popular show. Like, do you turn it down because you feel like the Baywatch vibes are off? Like, no, no.

[Jackson Claude]

But, like, I'm telling you, the show won't be successful, and it will have nothing to do with Brooks Nader.

[Jackie]

No, it will be.

[Jackson Claude]

It'll just be another Baywatch project, like, in the garbage can.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But I don't want to, like, rain on Brooks's.

[Jackson Claude]

And I'm so happy for. And I know she like, works really hard. Like, so I think she'll really commit to this role. I think we're going to start seeing her, like, you know, dressing, giving Pamela Anderson vibes. Like, I love it. I love this for Brooks.

[Jackie]

Mm.

[Jackson Claude]

Taking that out of it as, like, Brooks's number one fan. Just, like, zooming out as a pop culture commentator. Like, this sucks. Enough, Enough. Baywatch reboot. You know what? Like, put Brooks Nader in the next Christopher Nolan movie. Okay, I said it.

[Jackie]

Send Brooks Nader to space.

[Jackson Claude]

Yes.

[Jackie]

In a bathing suit, eating potatoes.

[Jackson Claude]

And what would happen if you, like, went to space in a bathing suit? Like, you were still wearing the headgear, but, like, your skin was in space. Why do they cover their whole body?

[Jackie]

You'd probably be, like, burned. Yeah. Oh, it's also probably freezing cold.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Freezing cold.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I guess.

[Jackie]

Or incredibly hot. Depends where in space. So here's who else is in the cast. Let me know if you know anyone. She will star opposite Stephen Amal, who plays the lead role of Hobby Buchanan.

[Jackson Claude]

Do you have pictures of these people?

[Jackie]

No. Just let me know if you hear if any of these names sound familiar.

[Jackson Claude]

I know, but I'm more of, like, a face person. Stephen.

[Jackie]

Visual person.

[Jackson Claude]

How are we spelling ammo?

[Jackie]

We're spelling Stephen with a P. Oh, okay.

[Jackson Claude]

A M, E, L, O. Canadian actor Stephen Amel.

[Jackie]

Is this her new man? So let's see him go.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, my God. Oh, he's cute.

[Jackie]

But let me see.

[Jackson Claude]

Quite literally, he was in suits la. I must have missed it.

[Jackie]

Oh, he's home. Cute for Brooksie.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, but I need Brooksie to start dating up. Like, not randos. Who's next?

[Jackie]

Jessica Belkin.

[Jackson Claude]

Sounds so familiar. Jessica Belkin. Oh, my God, she's gorgeous.

[Jackie]

I'm gonna say.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I know why we know her name. Wait, hold on. She was just announced as, you know, the Elle woods prequel on Prime. She's Elle.

[Jackie]

Oh.

[Jackson Claude]

She's literally insanely gorgeous.

[Jackie]

Oh, okay.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I guess everyone in the show is going to be, like, perfect looking because it's Baywatch.

[Jackie]

Okay. Hassi Harrison.

[Jackson Claude]

That sounds like a name we would make up to, like, call your son. Another gorgeous unknown.

[Jackie]

Another gorgeous girl. Thaddeus Le. Groan.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay. Thaddeus Legrone. Oh, my. All these people are, like, really unknown. They barely have any photos. Oh, he's just, like, a really hot guy. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Love it.

[Jackson Claude]

Is there anyone on this cast who's not, like, one pound and a original series star?

[Jackie]

David Chocachi, who returns as Cody Madison. Yay.

[Jackson Claude]

David Chokachi.

[Jackie]

Brooks will be playing the series regular role of Celine, the sharp tongued captain of the Zuma beach lifeguards.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, David Chokachi is like a Rob Lowe. Looking like old.

[Jackie]

He was tiny. Original. Yeah, yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay.

[Jackie]

While Brooks is excellent at her job, she and Baywatch captain Hobby Buchanan have a very different approach to saving lives. That is a constant source of friction. Never on good terms. Their relationship only goes downhill after Hobby brings his daughter Charlie onto his team.

[Jackson Claude]

Hobby, Harrison and Charlie. This show is so Jack's coded, so Jack's coated.

[Jackie]

And it becomes clear that their rivalry goes much deeper than lifeguarding.

[Jackson Claude]

Don't you feel like lifeguarding is sort of like a job of the past? We were just remarking because we went to like a hotel pool and there, there was a kids pool and there wasn't a lifeguard. I just feel like in these litigious times, like nobody wants to be a lifeguard.

[Jackie]

No, it's not. I mean, if you go to the beach, there's still lifeguard.

[Jackson Claude]

Is there? I haven't seen one. I've been to the beach a lot here.

[Jackie]

No, they're lifeguards.

[Jackson Claude]

I haven't seen one.

[Jackie]

I don't think it's a job of the past. I think it's like something like I could never.

[Jackson Claude]

No, I could never. But I feel like nobody wants to be a lifeguard anymore. Don't you feel like nobody wants to like get the fuck up and work?

[Jackie]

No, I feel like you've just like aged out of knowing lifeguards. But I'm not always like right of path.

[Jackson Claude]

Even when I was younger, like I

[Jackie]

didn't know Margot Ashray was a lifeguard.

[Jackson Claude]

She was. And you know, Ben's like claim to fame is that he was lifeguard for 30 seconds and he claims to be like still CPR certified.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but it's like because Margo stopped lifeguarding, we think like the world.

[Jackson Claude]

No, just because now I'm aware of lifeguards. Like I'm around kids and pools a lot and like pool safety is so important. So I'm like, where's the lifeguard?

[Jackie]

Yeah, I wish there were more lifeguards. I'll agree with you on that point. Yeah, but not that there are no lifeguards.

[Jackson Claude]

No, I'm telling you there are no lifeguards. Like just put that in your brain.

[Jackie]

And now, well, maybe this will like make people want to.

[Jackson Claude]

Once again, you not supporting my call.

[Jackie]

I just want to say based on this whole synopsis and the, the beauties that we saw on Google Images, I feel like it has a chance.

[Jackson Claude]

That's really.

[Jackie]

I feel like it could be, like. It could just be, like, a culture moment. Like when 90210 came back.

[Jackson Claude]

Right. That was crazy how, like, popular that reboot was.

[Jackie]

Right? You know, like, maybe they could figure it out. Yeah, they've got the faces, they've got the names. They've got Hassi Harrison and Charlie.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, they've got Hussey Harrison.

[Jackie]

So I, like, honestly, I'm sad. I'll watch it.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm sat for Brooks.

[Jackie]

Yeah, they've got Brooksie.

[Jackson Claude]

Congrats, Brads.

[Jackie]

Are you right? Oh, they have Noah back, too. Correct.

[Jackson Claude]

Obsessed. Did you ever see. He, like, acted in, like, one of these, like, teen dramas, like, Bratz TV kind of thing, and it was really compelling.

[Jackie]

Oh, wow.

[Jackson Claude]

So he has a huge background in

[Jackie]

acting, but, like, for the. Right before I read the story, up until then, like, I thought it was Noah Centennial, so I was like, he's back. But this is different. This is Addison's X man.

[Jackson Claude]

Not Addison. Dixie.

[Jackie]

Dixie. Oh, it sticks. Oh, he was so.

[Jackson Claude]

And he was in the show.

[Jackie]

Was Addison dating Bryce?

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, that was, like, dark times. But she was dating, you know, Noah Beck. Because you watched the d' Amelio show.

[Jackie]

Such a darling.

[Jackson Claude]

He was such a good boyfriend. He was, like, very sound of mind, very grounded for somebody. Like, a lot of these tick tockers, like, really struggled with their fame. And he was very. He was like a good boyfriend. A stable force in Dixie's life.

[Jackie]

I really want good things for the show.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay.

[Jackie]

And for Noah and Brixie.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Age appropriate.

[Jackson Claude]

Are they romantic leads in one another? Because she's.

[Jackie]

No, it sounds like she's, like, with the captain of as she Should.

[Jackson Claude]

As she Should.

[Jackie]

And then maybe, like, Noah and Hassi Harrison, like, something like that.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. I could see no end. Has.

[Jackie]

He's 24, so we'll just.

[Jackson Claude]

She's what, like, 29?

[Jackie]

Yeah, but, like, she needs. She needs more man in Luanda.

[Jackson Claude]

La Costner.

[Jackie]

She needs more men.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Jackson Claude]

Do you think that Brooks Nader and Alex. No, no. Each other. I was thinking about that last night in the shower because they're, like, always popping up at the same places. I, like, need them to be friends. I feel like they would like one another.

[Jackie]

Well, I feel like they've had the opportunity, so maybe if they're not, it's because they don't.

[Jackson Claude]

It's not a match.

[Jackie]

No, I know.

[Jackson Claude]

I was like, is there beef between them, or are they just a lot

[Jackie]

Younger than her, I guess. Right. She's. Oh, no. Sally just turned 25, so they're 25.

[Jackson Claude]

I'll always know Alex's age because of Sally.

[Jackie]

Right. And Brooksie's 29.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So that's not that different. I know. And always four important years.

[Jackson Claude]

I know. But they're always in the same place.

[Jackie]

But then they.

[Jackson Claude]

And they're, like, similar. I feel like maybe they don't like each other.

[Jackie]

Maybe they don't. That's a good call.

[Jackson Claude]

Or maybe right now, Alex can't pursue a friendship with one of Tom Brady's ex flangs. Oh, maybe that's it.

[Jackie]

Brooks, he doesn't want to pursue a friend.

[Jackson Claude]

But I think they definitely both, like, compete for. For men, you know, like.

[Jackie]

Yep. They should just putting it out there, not stronger together.

[Jackson Claude]

Agreed. Like, I think Alex should have Brooksie on Hot Mess. Like that podcast makeup.

[Jackie]

Get real with me.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Right, right. Get real with me.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Now we're ready for our next story. Chapel Ron is making news as she turns the camera on the paparazzi. So Chapel Ron is going viral. She was out in, I want to say Paris. Yeah, it felt French, the cab, like,

[Jackson Claude]

the way the door opened was so.

[Jackie]

And they were saying Chappelle. Chappelle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Chappelle. Chapelle. When I saw it, I thought it was Dave Chappelle, because I saw the captions on the video. I'm like, what is Dave Chappelle doing?

[Jackie]

Someone was like, I'm actually Team Chappelle here. And I was like, oh, what did Dave Chappelle do? Anyway, Singer Chappelle Roan has absolutely had enough of the paparazzi. She turned the camera on her pursuers as she went out to dinner Sunday night with a crowd of photographers trailing her in Paris. So she got in the video. She got out of the car with

[Jackson Claude]

her phone vlog, like, literally, David Dobrik Chappelle.

[Jackie]

And there's paparazzi, like, flanking both sides of the sidewalk as she goes into the restaurant. And so she starts, like, filming, like. Like, these are the guys that I've kept telling to leave me alone.

[Jackson Claude]

These are one guy in particular who was, like, asking for an autograph.

[Jackie]

He didn't look like paparazzi.

[Jackson Claude]

No, he was like one of those resellers, you know, they, like, get your autograph. They try to get you to sign in blue Sharpie. You're never supposed to sign a blue Sharpie because they could take your signature and put it on a T shirt and sell it, pretend it's real. So she was largely aiming it at this one fellow, and there was another

[Jackie]

one in the back, was hiding his face, and she just wanted to, like, put them all on blast.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. And I just want to say, like, I feel good about the fact, like, Chapel Roan doesn't like being famous. And, like, that's fine with me. I don't really want to see or talk about her either. So, like, I'm not participating. I don't stream her music. I'm not propping her up. So, like, maybe we should all just stop because she doesn't like it. So, you know, I should say there's a million girls who die for that job. Okay. Like, come resell my signature. Okay.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

And, like, I'm very much of. In agreement. Like, so much of being a celebrity is terrible. Like, the paparazzi. Like, it's really. It's awful. And, like, for a while, I was, like, championing her, like, boundaries.

[Jackie]

And overseas paparazzi seem, like, way worse. Nuttier in there's different. And some overseas seem better.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. And every celebrity, like, has their moment. Just Bieber just threw a water bottle. Like, I actually love that stuff. But, like, it's the only thing with her. So it's like, quit.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, you don't like being famous, and it's like, while. Yes, you'll have to give up, like, your songwriting. Fine, quit. Like, you hate it so much, it's just, like, annoying now. I usually like it when a celebrity, like, throws it back in the face of the media, like, slay, mama, slay. But it's like the. Oh, I don't even hear her new music anymore. I just see a new of her yelling at someone.

[Jackie]

But I just don't understand why it's so hard for her to get out of the house, like, without being bombarded

[Jackson Claude]

by paparazzi that famous. No.

[Jackie]

And also, like, she wears a lot of costumes. Like, if she really just pares it down and just had her hair, like, in a bun, like, back bun, and she looks like a normal girl and she didn't roll up to the restaurant in a SUV and clear the way.

[Jackson Claude]

She's at, like, Paris Fashion Week or whatever. Maybe she's in Milan. Like, she. Like, if you just want to. If you just wanted to release music and be famous for that, like, you don't have to leave your house and do other stuff. Like, you're going to a media circus. That is Fashion Week, where, like, photographers are, like, teaming the street so you can. You and your boundaries. Like, you can also put up your own and, like, stop putting yourself in these situations.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

A lot of celebrities go to the Grammys and don't walk the red carpet. Like, yeah, Protect chap self.

[Jackie]

You're, like, highly the expectation that every

[Jackson Claude]

person on the planet in this crazy industry, mind you, is going to respect your boundaries to the nth degree. Like, girl, grow the up. That's not happening. So why don't you start protecting chap self?

[Jackie]

I just feel like there are ways to get around it, and I don't know why she doesn't utilize them. Like. Like, lived in New York, never saw a picture of them. You just put on, like, a baseball cap and go about your business.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, stop going to things. Like, this is not a part of your job.

[Jackie]

Hannah Montana to me. Like, if she took off her wig or just put on one, like, we wouldn't know who she was. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

And also, like, why don't you, like, sing your songs and then, like, go home? This is not a part of your job. Going to Fashion Week. You're not a fashionista. You're not a model. Like, you're not a designer. You don't have to go to Fashion Week.

[Jackie]

Maybe she would argue that she should be able to do these things, like, in a. In a well.

[Jackson Claude]

Could have, would have, should have the world of an unfair place. So protect yourself. You're all about, like, protecting your.

[Jackie]

That.

[Jackson Claude]

Protect yourself. The expectation that you're gonna leave your house and every single person is going to, like, abide by your invisible rules is absurd. Protect yourself or shut up. Like, I actually can't take it anymore. Like, shut up.

[Jackie]

Oh, wow.

[Jackson Claude]

I can't take it. There's a million girls who would kill for that job.

[Jackie]

Chapelle.

[Jackson Claude]

Chapelle. Chappelle. Chappelle. I love that new vocal stem.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our next story? Dakota Johnson is the new face of Calvin Klein. And I see sexy shoot. So Dakota Johnson just launched her new Calvin Klein underwear shoot. It's like a video where Dakota is, like, talking to Dakota topless. She's fruits on titty. She's bottomless. Book on cooter.

[Jackson Claude]

Can I see the pit?

[Jackie]

The stills? Yeah, it's. It's very sexy. It's a really beautiful. She looks great.

[Jackson Claude]

I mean, I feel two ways about this, you know? I love Dakota. Okay.

[Jackie]

Tits out, like, for Carolyn and J.F.

[Jackson Claude]

oh, vagina book.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Jackson Claude]

I didn't see that one.

[Jackie]

Vagina book.

[Jackson Claude]

I just want to say, no woman in the world needs a bra like this.

[Jackie]

This.

[Jackson Claude]

I just want to say, like, it's a look.

[Jackie]

It's like a sports bra with cups.

[Jackson Claude]

It's a sports bra with like a push up bra inside. Like quite literally. That was a bra designed by a man. Nobody needs that.

[Jackie]

I agree.

[Jackson Claude]

Here. She's not kid naked again. Oh, this is some nice undies.

[Jackie]

You do need it if you're shooting a campaign for Calvin Klein.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

It's really a good time to wear it.

[Jackson Claude]

I love Dakota Johnson, like slay mama. But this does feel like some sort of response or rebuttal too. Like the timing is. Is interesting.

[Jackie]

Because of JFK.

[Jackson Claude]

Because of JFK Jr. I think, like, this is supposed to redirect because, like, Calvin Klein's giving big loser energy.

[Jackie]

I'm alive.

[Jackson Claude]

Yes, he is.

[Jackie]

So he's seeing the portrayal.

[Jackson Claude]

I can't wait for his essay in the New York Times.

[Jackie]

Oh, for sure.

[Jackson Claude]

I mean, he had a really bad portrayal. It's giving like narcissist, egomaniac. Like, not actually the talent. Carolyn was the real talent. Like, it's absurd. Please. I mean, I think it's so actually insane and out there. I don't think Calvin Klein is like that at all, actually.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Maybe like bits and bobs are true, but even though. But I think it's good for the hymn that like Daryl wrote her essay.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Because I. I mean, it's largely been debunked and I haven't seen like the bad stuff about him yet. But I think I'd be able to take it with a grain of salt.

[Jackson Claude]

The TV show. Was it a TV show? Halston.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Also had some like, choice words. I maybe like just back in the day when Calvin was ascending, like he was an.

[Jackie]

I mean, that would make sense. No, he was like this magnanimous. Like really.

[Jackson Claude]

Right. No, he was like the face of American. He put American fashion, like on According to Halston TV show on the map.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

So like, I would be insufferable too.

[Jackie]

But I think that these pictures are really iconic of Dakota Johnson. I don't remember the last time he got like a Calvin Klein campaign worth mentioning.

[Jackson Claude]

I do.

[Jackie]

Which one?

[Jackson Claude]

Nick Jonas, like recreating the Mark Wahlberg, like, crotch grab. Remember that? That is. I feel like the last time I talked about Calvin Klein's Got it and they definitely invented this model that skims is now like operating at a very high level. So I feel as though in like the marketing, celebrity campaign department, they're way behind and this is a nice start. They probably could have taken more of the momentum with the show and like maybe leaned in. Maybe Calvin said no, but it's good. It's good.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

It doesn't make me feel the way, like, Sarah Pigeon for road made me feel.

[Jackie]

I don't know. I think Dakota is an interesting choice. Not an obvious one. I think she's like a. She looks great. You wouldn't think of her as, like,

[Jackson Claude]

sexy people 50 Shades.

[Jackie]

Oh. I guess people also just really like, she was like, a nerd who realizes

[Jackson Claude]

she's handsome when she takes off her glasses. Everybody really likes her.

[Jackie]

Yeah, everybody.

[Jackson Claude]

She's a very positive Q score. When we talk about the Nepo baby conversation, it's like, well, we know you can't act and you literally got a movie franchise that like a million girls would want, having never acted a day in your life. But we're not talking about you.

[Jackie]

But the body is tea.

[Jackson Claude]

The body is tea. People really love body Less bestie. Body is tea. She looks amazing.

[Jackie]

She looks amazing.

[Jackson Claude]

No, when we have, like, those privileged Nepo conversations, it's like, literally about her, but we don't care, you know?

[Jackie]

No, no. That's why it's really. It's different for everyone. You can't just paint with a broad brush. When we're talking about nepotism and Ben

[Jackson Claude]

Platt, I was just say. But we're always talking about. Did you guys see Ben Platt or. I don't know who posted it, but he was with all of his brothers and his mom, and that was sort of a big deal.

[Jackie]

He has two brothers.

[Jackson Claude]

Jonah, of course, who hosts, like, the amazing podcast, and then Henry, who I actually follow weirdly on Tick Tock. He's. They're all have, like, amazing singing voices. I don't know if Jonah sings, but Henry has an amazing. I was doing, like, riffs and harmony. I don't know what he does for work, but it was. Mark wasn't there. Maybe Mark was taking the picture of the dad.

[Jackie]

The wife was there.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. The mom and her three sons, which I was happy for.

[Jackie]

The mom. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

But I don't know how they all get together. It must be so weird.

[Jackie]

No, I can't imagine.

[Jackson Claude]

I mean, I like Jonah definitely hates Ben, and Ben hates Jonah, of course.

[Jackie]

And Henry was in the middle. It wasn't like Jonah, like, you could take that picture with, like, two people who.

[Jackson Claude]

Of course, the posting of it was

[Jackie]

shocking, but I would have thought that, like, Mark, like, the parents disappointed in.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, but that's your son, you know, Ben. I know, I know.

[Jackie]

I don't know. It's so bad, Rachel. Like, it's so bad. It's so bad. Like, it's so bad. It's worse than the backups.

[Jackson Claude]

To me, it is, but, like, nobody cares. It's our Beckhams.

[Jackie]

It's our Beckham.

[Jackson Claude]

Did you see, like, she had her fashion show, which we know from her documentary is, like, such a big deal for her. It was Paris. Oh, so it must have just been Paris Fashion Week.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Jackson Claude]

And the whole family was there. And, like, when she posted for the first time, she posted like, a carousel. But the first photo was her whole family. Means so much for you guys to be here. The caption was just, like, so Nicola coated.

[Jackie]

And it was like, all the girlfriends. Wives and girlfriends. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Beckham wags.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Crazy. Crazy time.

[Jackson Claude]

Crazy. I really need them to, like, get back together. The family.

[Jackie]

The family.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, I. I don't care if they don't like each other.

[Jackie]

Like, it's so terrible what he wrote. I know.

[Jackson Claude]

The thing is, like, we can, you know.

[Jackie]

No, it's. It's Megxit. I'm sorry.

[Jackson Claude]

It's not like, look at China and Kylie. You know, they all. If the Chinas and the Kardashians can work it out.

[Jackie]

They barely have worked it out. They just stopped being in court together.

[Jackson Claude]

Who said they worked it out? Like, China's always saying really nice things about them now, like, and they're not

[Jackie]

saying nice things about her.

[Jackson Claude]

They worked it out. It streams. Mom. That's what I mean. Like.

[Jackie]

Like, Victoria says nice things about Brooklyn, but they're not all.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm telling you. They, like, I believe in love and I believe in reunion.

[Jackie]

I don't know. I think they've exited.

[Jackson Claude]

No, they haven't. They haven't gone too far.

[Jackie]

Speaking of Megxit, are you ready for our next story?

[Jackson Claude]

Is it about Beatrice and Eugenie?

[Jackie]

No, it's about Meghan Markle. Oh.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, right. But there's drama with Beatrice and Eugenie.

[Jackie]

I don't know if you saw what I mean. Aside from the obvious drama.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, like, they've always sort of been kept separate from the fact that their dad was Jeffrey Epstein's, like, number one cl. But I was watching this TikTok from, like, a royal expert, the person who wrote the book on the House of York, which, like, it's about Sarah, Fergie and ever had that, like, things are not looking good for them. They've been dropped as, like, patrons of their big charities. They've been having, like, private meetings. Apparently, like, William and Catherine asked them to submit to a financial audit because I think they took on a lot of, like, the Shade business handlings of Andrew, Andrew and Jeffrey. And they said no. And I think, like, they're expecting an announcement to be coming in the following week weeks in regards to Eugenie and Beatrice and what their future of the Royal family looks like.

[Jackie]

Oh, like denouncing. Like we're just like not renouncing, but

[Jackson Claude]

sort of stepping back, you know, from their roles or whatever.

[Jackie]

Interesting. I think an audit is really fair.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. And they would not submit, which doesn't look good because. And then. Oh, so I forgot which one. But one of them has her own charity, which is now under investigation by like, the British Commission of Charities for, like, spending more money on salaries than like, like giving back, which is of course never good. And then she was dropped as a patron of the other one. So stay tuned for that.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I imagine there's a lot of, like, drama and they're going to deal with a lot of fallout.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. That's really unfortunate.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I mean, plenty of charities spend more on.

[Jackson Claude]

Correct.

[Jackie]

Like please.

[Jackson Claude]

Auto thing. If you go to that, like, charity website calculator.

[Jackie]

I mean, they all do. They spend more on, like, admin than they do on actual charitable.

[Jackson Claude]

But not the mark shown about our Holocaust Education Foundation. Just saying they would never.

[Jackie]

They would never.

[Jackson Claude]

Of which I'm a patron.

[Jackie]

No. Our next story is about Meghan Markle. She has shut down as Ever and Netflix has pulled out of S Ever.

[Jackson Claude]

But then I saw a statement that she made so. Saying it was not true.

[Jackie]

No. So they shut down rumors that she would expand her as Ever brand in other countries after the Netflix partnership ended. So Netflix was a partner in as Ever because of the show and they were doing the products.

[Jackson Claude]

They were like an investor.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Now there's no show.

[Jackson Claude]

I guess, like, they had all the infrastructure. So if they're not involved, like.

[Jackie]

And there's no show, like, what's as Ever. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So amid reports that the Duchess of Sussex was looking to sell her as Ever products in Australia, a spokesperson said it's all speculation. So a spokesperson for as Ever said no decisions have been made about when or where international expansion might take place. Entering new markets is a considered process, but it's something the brand is excited to. To explore as it continues to grow in this next phase. Watch this space.

[Jackson Claude]

Is that what they said?

[Jackie]

That's what they said. They said, watch this space.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay.

[Jackie]

But her and Harry are traveling to Australia. People thought it was about a sever. I don't think it's about.

[Jackson Claude]

So it's not an as Ever brand trip to Australia.

[Jackie]

I don't Think so. That's what she needs, a brand trip.

[Jackson Claude]

I would happily go and look at her Montecito home.

[Jackie]

Honestly, Ben needs to go. He's like the number one fan, guys.

[Jackson Claude]

He said it was. Was so good. It was. I got sent an apricot jam. And you guys know I'm not going to eat that. And I kept it in the fridge just sort of as a keepsake. Like, yes, A former princess gave me, and it's gone. Ben ate the whole thing. And he, like, posted on his Instagram being like, I've just found this jam in my fridge.

[Jackie]

It's amazing.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm like, you found this jam? It was a gift from a princess.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that's PR jam.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. It's actually, like, not even funny anymore how everything they launched, they, like, eventually

[Jackie]

stop or such a man. And they're like, the idea that. That obviously, like, as ever's done. Now they're going to Australia for what they call private business and philanthropic engagements. Like, nothing. Like, why would anyone go into business that. It's about, as ever, international expansion.

[Jackson Claude]

But so what is it about?

[Jackie]

They're probably just like, going and waving and, like, wanting to feel special.

[Jackson Claude]

Right.

[Jackie]

I think they're really liked in Australia.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, that's nice.

[Jackie]

But like, no, you couldn't make it in your first market, so, yes, of course you're. It's since expanding internationally.

[Jackson Claude]

Duh. I like, actually every time we report on, like, when her podcast ended, there's such a sense of disbelief. Right?

[Jackie]

Like the disbelief. Because there's no way, like, not only

[Jackson Claude]

the admission failure, but there's no way that again, you weren't able to take this project. And they are like two of the most famous people. Not even in America, in the world. And not one thing that they have done has been a successful business venture. Between the jams, the podcast, the TV show. I guess Harry's book. Book was a success. Sure.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

His memoirs, where he threw his family under the bus. Like, great.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Jackson Claude]

It's actually insane the amount of businesses they launch or announce and then eventually don't even launch, or if they do, they fail. Like, it's insane.

[Jackie]

No, it's. Yeah, it's shocking. It's.

[Jackson Claude]

It's unbelievable. It leaves me in a state of disbelief.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But we should watch that space. Maybe something major is gonna happen.

[Jackson Claude]

The space of what? Edible flowers?

[Jackie]

The space of ass. Ever.

[Jackson Claude]

I would love to know how much product they sold.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I feel like someone reported on it once. It wasn't.

[Jackson Claude]

No. Remember, they were like, we sold out but it's like, well, you sold out of what, four or 4,000.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Anyone could sell out of anything if you just make a limited quantity, small batch.

[Jackie]

I wonder once, as ever. And with love. Peter out.

[Jackson Claude]

I mean, what was with love? The show. And then, as ever, was the horrible branding.

[Jackie]

Horrible thing.

[Jackson Claude]

No, not even titles like Such Poor Synergy. Like, you have a show where you're featuring the products and the products are going to be sold, and Netflix is a partner of the brand, but also a partner of the show. It should all be called the same thing.

[Jackie]

Of course. And it shouldn't be like, you know, loose words. Words. Yeah, like, you need strong words. As ever.

[Jackson Claude]

I just want to say Ben is going to be devastated.

[Jackie]

Well, I think I have an extra jam I can give to him.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay.

[Jackie]

The final jam.

[Jackson Claude]

Quite literally the final jam.

[Jackie]

So when all of this peters out, which it seems like they're going to, you know, eventually put it on life support, slowly deactivate the Instagram, but, like, very slowly, they're still pretending. Like, watch this.

[Jackson Claude]

Right, Right.

[Jackie]

Whenever we close the book on his Heather, I wonder what's gonna be next. What do you think?

[Jackson Claude]

Well, maybe Harry taps in. You know, I think they both take a year or two where they have to be the breadwinner and the public facing one, and then the other one gets a break. Harry is supposed to be releasing two more books.

[Jackie]

Right. Maybe the next thing would be his book. But what do you think for Megan? Because I don't think she's ever gonna. Just not. Not juicy.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. I would have thought that this last jaunt of, like, the TV show maybe would have been. Because that's what I personally wanted to see from her. It wasn't good.

[Jackie]

Maybe she'll go back to acting.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Oh, but she did. Oh, they do now, like, option books.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Jackson Claude]

Meet Me at the Lake, Carly Fortune. And then we did announce that she was returning to acting.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

In a book. That she's adapting like a. You know.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But like, just being producers on a book adaptation, like, that's not enough for them to live. No, no, not even that. Like, they want fame in front of camera things and to be, like, spoken about and known. Like, I don't think they're just like, oh, we'll just produce movies that we're passionate about.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, I think that they've, like, sort of burned the bridge with Netflix. Maybe they're going to Hulu. And Hulu does do, like, you know, kind of amazing docu series. Maybe we'll see like, a Harry and Megan TV show. Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

That would be really low brow. Yeah, that would be like Gary Janetti, the Prince, where she's a real housewife. Right.

[Jackson Claude]

Maybe she'll join the Real Housewives of Elliot.

[Jackie]

That's where we're headed.

[Jackson Claude]

And I just want to say down

[Jackie]

and do you have any advice of, like, what they should do?

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know if they keep doing work and projects to make money or to be famous, but, you know, they do have money. And so it's easy to make money when you have money. Like, start investing in things like, like you can live a quiet life. I think that they need revenue. I think they live a very expensive life. So part of it is fueled by money. And there are a lot of ways to make money without being famous. I think their sort of Achilles heel is that they both really want to be very famous. And it's like people who are rich and it's not enough for them. Most people, they say, like, if you want to be rich and famous, like, just be rich and it'll solve all your problems. Like, people who it's not enough for are like, actually really sick in the head. And so, like, this desperation to be famous, I think is what's going to be their downfall. Because they could make money easily in the position that they're in. You know, when you're at that level, you get opportunities. Here we need, you know, money. Give me a million dollars and then 10 years later you get 50 million. Like, people at that level, you can make money. But I don't think it's about money for them. And that's what I think. I think it's. Sorry, it is partially about money, but it's also about being famous.

[Jackie]

And I mean, they're the most famous couple in the world. So it's not like they lack fame, but it's like they want to be beloved. They want, like, the world to love them and need them. And I feel like with everything that they do, it's getting worse for them. Like, if they just stop when they megxited and they did Oprah and they just like, were like these quiet, mysterious celebrities, they would have.

[Jackson Claude]

It would have been very endearing to people, too. Like, look, they did leave all of this behind for a quieter life, but

[Jackie]

now every time they make it worse for themselves, I feel like they feel like, okay, now we have to try something else to like, get it back and everything just makes it worse. And I don't know that there's something that's going to get it back for them other than actually enjoying the privacy that they asked for.

[Jackson Claude]

Right, right.

[Jackie]

And being mysterious, a little bit of mystery.

[Jackson Claude]

It would have been very endearing to people if they did give up, you know, the, this dream life of being a princess to never be seen again. People would really like them and want

[Jackie]

to see them and like, and like

[Jackson Claude]

crave when she goes to an event

[Jackie]

like absence makes the heart grow fonder.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So good luck. A sever. Our fifth and final story is brought

[Jackson Claude]

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[Jackie]

Every style, every turt.

[Jackson Claude]

True.

[Jackie]

Our fizz and vinyl story. Some breakup news. This is a crazy story. Dak Prescott and his lady love, Sarah Jane Ramos are heartbroken after calling off their engagement five weeks before their wedding

[Jackson Claude]

in Italy on their bachelor joint Bachelor bachelorette party.

[Jackie]

And they have two kids. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Like what? What happened on that bachelorette party?

[Jackie]

I don't know. But Dak Prescott, who's the quarterback of the Cowboys, who's a really big fixture. This news hits us hard.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. How was the family taking it?

[Jackie]

You know, one day at a time. But we're hoping that this is what best for Dax Self. But I don't know. This feels like his lady love. I feel like they're gonna. They're gonna be in each other's lives because they have kids together. But, like, they should just be together.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. It's just giving. Work it out, you know?

[Jackie]

So they were supposed to get ready married in one month in Lake Como, like a party, you know, the deposit is down.

[Jackson Claude]

I know.

[Jackie]

Probably like a million dollars. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Logan Paul had like a celebrity wedding, and so he said he spent $4 million.

[Jackie]

So Dak and Sarah Jane are they. Sarah Jane Ramos are both heartbroken that they're not getting married. Despite previous reports. Their rep ads there Wasn't any rockiness in the lead up and there was no big argument or blow up. It was a mutual decision. They love their girls and they're committed to raising their children together in the most loving and positive way. It's still shocking for them to since this happened so recently. And they ask for privacy while they sort everything out. I'm sorry, what? Like nothing.

[Jackson Claude]

I need to know. No, I need to know more.

[Jackie]

You need to stay together.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, of course. If nothing happens like, or something happened.

[Jackie]

Something of course happened. You don't just like call off your wedding. They've been engaged for a very long

[Jackson Claude]

time to your like life partner who. With whom you have two children.

[Jackie]

Yeah. A two year old and a nine month old.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, that's really sad.

[Jackie]

I'm sorry. Like figure it out.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Unless. Yes, it's giving.

[Jackie]

Unless it's unforgivable.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, it's. It's giving. Unforgivable. Like cheating, something.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I don't know. Sad.

[Jackson Claude]

That's really sad.

[Jackie]

Really sad.

[Jackson Claude]

Imagine getting married like nine months after you gave birth. Couldn't quite literally. I am not like, I could never

[Jackie]

be expected to be 10 months after she literally Ruby's age.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. I can never.

[Jackie]

Wow.

[Jackson Claude]

Weird.

[Jackie]

Weird.

[Jackson Claude]

Let's dive into Deer Toasters, our weekly advice segment where Jackie and I sort of give back to our community. Try to help out the swirlies and neat.

[Jackie]

Hey girl. This is like the toast version. You have to do the hand too because now I just do this and like people know.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, that's how Jackie sees it. Hey girlies. You are the best part of my day every day. I need advice on my boyfriend's relationship with his mom. I know as boy mamas yourselves how serious this relationship is, but I don't know how to feel. I've always wanted to date someone who has a great relationship with their family because I do. But every time my boyfriend and I get into a disagreement, he goes home to Connecticut to his mom. Mind you, we live together in New Jersey. These aren't blow up fights either. It could just be a little disagreement and he just wants to go home. Kind of weirds me out. And I'm also worried that if we do continue dating, he's gonna go home. When we argue, what is she gonna think of me, his mom? That doesn't happen often, but when it does, I'm really left confused. Help. Do I say something or do I let it go?

[Jackie]

That's definitely a red flag. And as a future toxic boy mama, I just wanna say I don't Know how I will feel if my adult son, like, isn't adulting, like, is. You know what I mean? I know because we joke that we're toxic. Boy, mama, touch me.

[Jackson Claude]

I think we would be, like, like, ashamed.

[Jackie]

Like, I want him to be, like, a great man, a good husband. And, like, I don't. I'm not gonna stand in the way of that. As much as, like, I. I love Mom. Like, I feel so, like, that's really important to me. So I don't endorse, like, just anyone just choosing their mother over their partner when that's not what that means, that

[Jackson Claude]

we haven't done our job.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It's really true. So this is a red flag. I mean, I wonder what's happening when he's going home, but the fact that he can't even just, like, hash it out when you have an argument or a disagreement. If he was going anywhere.

[Jackson Claude]

I was gonna say it's, like, weird that he's going home, but, like, the fact that he has to, like, cross time off when you guys just had, like, a minor disagreement is a red flag. And just in terms of, like, being a good communicator.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

He could be going anywhere. You know, the fact that he's going home, like, I guess it's better than going to a bar.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

But, like, it just doesn't bode well for him as a partner, a communicator, a compromise, or, like, grow up.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I think you have to have a conversation about this specifically and just, like, why he, like, walks away when things get hard. That's not what you're looking for in a partner. And it just. It. Yeah. I hope that he's not going home and then telling everything about you. Because you're right, the mom will not.

[Jackson Claude]

Right. She's of course, going to take his side. It's also, like, his perspective on it.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But I feel like you seem sound mind. I just, like, want to imagine. And I feel like when anyone ever tells me their story, like, I do try really hard to, like, see the other side. See the other side. Just to help that person who's telling me their story, like, rationalize with them. So I don't think it's like a fatal complete that the mom's not gonna like you. But this is a kind of immaturity on your boyfriend's part that you guys should try and work on in the open.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. You gotta bring it up.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Because this doesn't bode well and it can't go on. So bring it up. Confrontation. Hello. Swirlies. I love your pod, obviously. And I need some advice. So a couple of months ago I was away on a girls trip and my husband spent the weekend at his best friend's house. No shade. But his best friend lives with his parents. He's pushing 30, so.

[Jackie]

So he spent the weekend at his best friend's parents house.

[Jackson Claude]

What I need help with is what happened on that Saturday. From what I know, they had a sleepover and woke up and spent the entire day on the couch. Where it gets weird is that they drank three bottles of Barefoot Moscato, a red, a white and a pink over the course of the day. And where it gets weirder is they shared one glass.

[Jackie]

Okay. Claudia, is my husband gay? You know what to say.

[Jackson Claude]

He doesn't find this weird at all. Is this normal relationship for a guy to have with his friend. Asking for a friend. Let me buy. I want to say one thing. Obviously this is extremely like queer behavior. However, the fact that like he told you about it is the only thing stopping me from saying, you know those immortal words, your husband is gay. Like if you had found out about this in secret, it's like case closed. Yeah, but I don't know people who were like upfront about it.

[Jackie]

Like not like hiding.

[Jackson Claude]

And it was in his parents house. Like other people are homeless. Like just sounds like your husband might not be gay. He might just be weird. Like.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I don't. The red flag to me is that he had a sleepover with his male best friend. Not in a gay way, but in like an immature way. That friend lives at his parents house. I guess if you live at your parents house, it's kind of sweet. Right? Because they have like the, the mother cooks and like.

[Jackson Claude]

Right. You're spending time with his family.

[Jackie]

I feel like that's like a trope where it's like you go home and you get treated. Laundry. Laundry's done and there's a full course meal. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So he just wants to like live the life.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. He sounds like a loser. Not a, a, A straight loser.

[Jackie]

Honestly, like why couldn't they have two glasses?

[Jackson Claude]

Cup thing. Yeah. Maybe like part of the arrangement of this friend living at his parents house is like he's responsible for all of his dishes. So he was just sort of minimizing cleanup. I don't know.

[Jackie]

But boys, then the Paris of going to someone else's house is lost because you're meant to be like taken care of. You know, Mama's home cooking. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

I guess you could look at it more as the angle of like, he spent time with his friend's family. Not like he had a sleepover with his guy best friend. I don't think he's gay, but I don't, like, think he's cool.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I don't love this. I need to understand more like the reasoning for the sleepover. Like, she makes. And you didn't make lasagna, but you

[Jackson Claude]

didn't even make it such a big deal that he had a sleepover with his adult male friend. Like, are. Are people having sleepovers in their. Like, I can't remember the last. The last place I slept was your house.

[Jackie]

Oh, I guess we have sleepovers.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. But that's like out of sheer necessity. Like, I need. No.

[Jackie]

And like we're like extremely close.

[Jackson Claude]

Like. Yeah. And we're not gay, incestual or gay.

[Jackie]

Yeah, no, no.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm really not concerned about the gayness, to be quite clear, because, you know, I like to look for more like, beneath the surface gay.

[Jackie]

It's funny because, like, when something's so.

[Jackson Claude]

Obviously that's what I said last week.

[Jackie]

No to you.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I know. When people are up front, it's the nails thing, you know, like when people are up front.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

I don't think.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I would just try and get an understanding of why you went to, like, like your friends, parents, how, like, what's there for you? What were the pros?

[Jackson Claude]

Right. I guess, like he was like, you were away all weekend and he didn't want to be alone. Like, if that I get. I don't like being alone either. But he's a boy. Yeah, agreed. All right, next up, third and final. Dear Jackson Claude, My birthday was a couple of weeks ago and my boyfriend gave me such a nice and thoughtful card. I really teared up reading it. Now I recently found myself scrolling through my boyfriend's chat history with chat gbt. I wouldn't say I was snooping, but I was just curious what he asked. Tasks. It was mostly work stuff, but I saw that he asked Chad to write my birthday card. Is that up? I've asked Chad to help me write thank you notes, but I was super intentional with what I wrote for his birthday and this just feels kind of icky. What do you think? I'm obviously not going to tell him that. I know, but next time he writes me a card, I'm not going to take it as seriously because he didn't do it himself. What's next? Chat GBT wedding vows. This is very interesting.

[Jackie]

This is an interesting dilemma because it's

[Jackson Claude]

partially thoughtful that like, he really wanted to write a nice card. Like, knew maybe his own limits and, like, sought out help. Help. But, like, dig deep.

[Jackie]

Yes. But as someone I personally have. I'm a deep feeler. I feel things very deeply.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I have a lot of depth. I have a really hard time putting to words how I feel without, like, sounding like a cliche, like a Hallmark card. Like, when I say, like, I love you forever, like, that's like. Everyone says that, but, like, I mean every word of that. Like, how do I convey how I feel? Like, I. I feel like this. Honestly. Like, I might do this.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, this is such a. I am feeling inspired. But I do see how it can be insulting.

[Jackie]

And it's like, if you're a genuine in person, like, you mean every word of that card. I think it's. Yeah, it's a little bit not romantic, but he wanted to put to words how he feels about you, and if he meant every word, I think that means a lot. Yes.

[Jackson Claude]

And I think, like, we could look like your perspective on this is gonna,

[Jackie]

like,

[Jackson Claude]

is gonna matter. Like. Yes. You could see it as, like, phoning in, but most people don't even write cards. I just want to say. And then he, like, maybe knew his own limits and really wanted it to be nice. I actually think you can look at it as being really thoughtful.

[Jackie]

Like, and I also just want to know what the prompt was. Was it, like, write my girlfriend a birthday card?

[Jackson Claude]

Or did he have to write, like, all of his feelings and say, make it sound nice?

[Jackie]

Yes, exactly.

[Jackson Claude]

Because that's what I would do.

[Jackie]

I want to say that you're the best thing that's ever happened to me. But again, that's such a cliche. But, like, what if I meant every word right?

[Jackson Claude]

What if Shakespeare, like, knew my feelings and wrote them right?

[Jackie]

So I kind of appreciate the effort as someone who, like, struggles to put my verbal, like, orate feelings on paper. Like, I can relate, and it doesn't make it less genuine to me. No.

[Jackson Claude]

Change your perspective on this. It's actually sweet now that I've, like, thought it through.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Especially if you know the guy. Like. Yeah. If he's, like, a good boyfriend and he's very thoughtful. Like, this actually can be seen as

[Jackie]

thoughtful as long as he meant it correct. Not just, like, oh, I just want to write a card. But who. If you just wanted to write a card with words you didn't mean, you can think of those yourself. I don't think he would go to the effort. And it's this whole thing of like, like, you know, fire this off for me.

[Jackson Claude]

No, she said it was mostly work.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I think he really just wanted to write you the perfect card.

[Jackson Claude]

But we do need to be mindful of how we rely on Chat. Like we really do.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

But like, I find myself slipping sometimes.

[Jackie]

Like whenever I want to write like an email that I've find is uncomfortable for me to write. Not that there's anything crazy, but I'm just trying to convey something and I want it to sound like, not awkward. I ask Chat for help. And you know What? In my 33 years of life, I've not been able to do it on my own. So like, like, thanks Chat. Like I wasn't improving. Correct. Now I can do it.

[Jackson Claude]

I know. I don't know if everybody's using it like in that sort of.

[Jackie]

I use it in a very earnest manner.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I'm gonna nefarious people out there. I'm gonna give people the benefit of the doubt that they are too.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, of course. Well, that's your toasters. Thank you to everyone who wrote in. And that is also our episode. So thank you so much for listening to the Toast, the millennial morning show where we Deliver the Fast5 stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give us a video thumbs up. We're also available as podcast and red podcasts. We found. So it's Spotify, Gin Stitcher, Public Radio Iota Cast Spikes, all the places we listen to by podcast Finesse Toastly five star review about a beautiful setting and wickedly talent. We are.

[Jackie]

Love you. Bye.

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