For The Girlies and The Boys with Kevin Clancy: Tuesday, May 27th, 2025

Summary

The Toast Podcast Episode Summary: "For The Girlies and The Boys with Kevin Clancy"

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Toast
• Host/Author: Dear Media (Jackie & Claudia Oshry)
• Episode: For The Girlies and The Boys with Kevin Clancy
• Release Date: Tuesday, May 27th, 2025

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Introduction: Welcoming Kevin Clancy

In this special episode of The Toast, hosts Jackson Claude (Jax) and Kevin Clancy (KFC) dive into a mix of pop culture buzz, personal updates, and engaging discussions. With co-host Claudia Oshry on maternity leave, Kevin steps in to bring his unique perspective to the show.

Claudia's New Arrival

Jax opens the episode with joyous news about Claudia’s recent childbirth. “Baby Brunson is here. Spoiler alert, the name is the Brun. That is so funn. [00:33]” Both hosts express their happiness and share that Claudia is doing great, hinting at more updates to come when she's ready to share.

Sports Chat: Knicks and Mets

The conversation quickly shifts to sports, with Kevin revealing his support for several New York teams. “Knicks, Mets, Jets, and then hockey. I would be the Islanders. [01:44]” Jax supports the Mets, mentioning current successes and player highlights, such as Pete Alonso. The hosts discuss the long wait for New York teams' victories, noting, “The new York teams are the loser teams. Especially if you're not rooting for the Yankees. [01:56]”

Kevin Clancy’s Midnight Bean: A Pop Culture Highlight

A significant portion of the episode highlights Kevin's entrepreneurial venture, Midnight Bean—a pre-bottled, ready-to-drink espresso martini. Kevin passionately describes its inception and growth:

“This is Midnight Bean. This is, I believe, to be the best pre bottled, ready to drink espresso martini on the market. [04:42]”

He emphasizes the convenience and quality, stating, “Nothing. It's all in there, ready to pour. It's got vodka, real vodka in it. And you just pour it and shake it. [06:19]” Kevin shares his journey from creating a social media hashtag, the Three Bean Gang, to launching his own product, highlighting the organic growth and dedication behind Midnight Bean.

Pop Culture Deep Dive

The hosts delve into several hot topics within the entertainment industry:

1. Justin Baldoni vs. Blake Lively Legal Saga

   Jax and KFC dissect the ongoing legal feud between Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively, focusing on Baldoni's subpoenaing of Taylor Swift for allegedly threatening texts. “This saga is good for business. [27:46]” They analyze the dynamics, with Jax expressing frustration over the prolonged conflict:

   “It's being dismissed. And then something small will happen. And I miss how it's like, the best deal in the world, right? [28:14]”

   KFC critiques Baldoni's actions, calling out his "male feminism" grift and siding more with him than Blake, stating, “I think Blake Lively has been even more insufferable, right? [29:43]” The discussion touches on the complexities of celebrity friendships and legal battles, concluding that such feuds are detrimental despite the media frenzy they generate.

2. Justin Bieber’s Instagram Mishap

   The hosts discuss Justin Bieber's ill-timed Instagram post criticizing Haley Bieber's Vogue cover, which quickly drew backlash. Jax summarizes the incident:

   “Yo, this reminds me, when Haley and I got into a huge fight, I told Halie that she would never be on the COVID of Vogue. Yikes. [44:23]”

   KFC defends Bieber, suggesting the post was a genuine mistake stemming from a fight rather than malicious intent. They ponder Bieber's current state, with KFC noting, “I think he's not enough for me. Where there's smoke, there's fire. [48:05]” The conversation underscores the challenges celebrities face in maintaining their public image amidst personal turmoil.

3. Jordan Hudson and Bill Belichick Engagement Rumors

   The podcast covers rumors about Jordan Hudson, a 24-year-old Disney princess villain, and Bill Belichick sporting an engagement ring. KFC, a Jets fan, expresses astonishment:

   “As a Jets fan, watching his legacy, you know, a little bit like fall apart is very satisfying as like a guy, as a man who. I'm like watching this dude who had this amazing sports life and now it's kind of being ruined by whatever this is. [50:08]”

   The hosts debate the implications of such a relationship, considering Belichick’s storied coaching career and the unusual age difference. They question the authenticity and potential impact on Belichick’s legacy, reflecting on societal perceptions of relationships between older men and younger women.

4. Demi Lovato’s Oceanfront Wedding

   Celebrating positive news, Jax and KFC share details about Demi Lovato’s recent wedding to Jordan Lutz. KFC humorously comments on the couple's nicknames:

   “Jordan Lutz and people call him Juts. [62:55]”

   They admire the traditional yet beautiful nature of Demi’s wedding while acknowledging her alternative persona. The discussion highlights the blend of glamour and personal style in celebrity weddings.

5. Alix Earle Joining Dancing with the Stars

   The episode wraps up with exciting news about Alix Earle joining Dancing with the Stars Season 34. Jax expresses surprise and admiration:

   “Alix Earle is joining Dancing with the Stars season 34. [66:10]”

   KFC discusses the significance of internet stars crossing into traditional media, emphasizing the strategic move to reach broader audiences. They appreciate Alix's dance background and anticipate her performance on the show, recognizing it as a pivotal moment for her career.

Advice Segment: Dear Toasters

In the beloved advice segment, "Dear Toasters," Jax and KFC address listener questions with their characteristic humor and insight.

1. Stealing Boyfriend’s Undies

   A listener reports her boyfriend has been discreetly taking her underwear. Jax and KFC suggest confronting him calmly to understand his motives, whether it's a quirky habit or something more intimate. They emphasize the importance of open communication to resolve such issues before cohabitation.

   KFC advises, “So she was there though. And... he's been like swiping these while they visiting. [80:51]”

2. Fiancé’s Cringy Wedding Suggestions

   Another listener struggles with her fiancé making unsolicited and awkward suggestions during wedding planning. The hosts recommend setting clear boundaries and expressing appreciation for his enthusiasm while guiding the planning back to her vision. They highlight the necessity of mutual respect and compromise in wedding preparations.

   Jax concurs, “He has some off the wall opinions. [86:10]”

3. Intimacy Issues During Pregnancy

   A pregnant listener shares her fiancé's diminishing romantic gestures, attributing it to discomfort and feelings of unattractiveness during her pregnancy. Jax and KFC empathize, advising her to foster honest dialogue about their feelings and reassure each other of their commitment despite physical changes.

   KFC remarks, “It's like, you girls always want, everybody always wants honesty. [98:14]”

Conclusion: Embracing Authenticity and Connection

Throughout the episode, Jax and KFC weave personal anecdotes with broader cultural discussions, offering listeners a blend of entertainment and relatable advice. The dynamic between the hosts showcases their chemistry and depth, making this episode a must-listen for fans eager to engage with both pop culture and personal narratives.

Notable Quotes:

• Kevin Clancy: “This is Midnight Bean. This is, I believe, to be the best pre bottled, ready to drink espresso martini on the market. [04:42]”
• Jax: “You have no kids. You have Taylor Swift, you have like literally subpoenas all. [30:38]”
• KFC: “I think he's not enough for me. Where there's smoke, there's fire. [48:05]”
• Jax: “I think they're the Titans in our reality... [No exact timestamp]”

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For more insightful discussions and updates, tune into The Toast weekdays with Jackie & Claudia Oshry.

Transcript

[Jax]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your host. It's your favorite show. The Fast 5 things you need to know. We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to the Toast. First day of Jax and friends. Claudia's on maternity leave.

[KFC]

I didn't realize I was first.

[Jax]

Yes, but I wanted to tell you. Making some toast herstory.

[KFC]

Let's go.

[Jax]

We have kfc. Kevin Clancy on the toast. Welcome to the show.

[KFC]

Thank you. Thank you. I did not realize I was the first co host or guest host or whatever. I'm flattered.

[Jax]

You are the first episode going live because today is Tuesday. We are on schedule and I've pre recorded a little bit of things, but, like, you're the first episode. We actually have a lot to catch up on because we haven't done the Toast since last Friday. Okay, so some of the pop culture stuff we're gonna do this week are the big stories from the past week. But of course, a lot has happened in the last week. Our dear Claudia has given birth and she is doing great. So I just wanted to update everyone. I know everyone wants all the updates from her, and I'm sure she'll share more when she's ready, but it's just been a really lovely week, a quiet pargy week, and we're really happy for Claudia.

[KFC]

Baby Brunson is here.

[Jax]

Right, Baby Brunson. Spoiler alert, the name is the Brun. That is so funn. Was there a Knicks game on last night? I can't keep up.

[KFC]

It was one tonight, so there was one two nights ago.

[Jax]

Okay. And the Knicks won two nights ago.

[KFC]

Yes. So now it's two to one.

[Jax]

You're a Knicks fan.

[KFC]

Yes.

[Jax]

What are your teams? I just.

[KFC]

Knicks, Mets, jets, and then hockey. I would be the Islanders.

[Jax]

So you're New York.

[KFC]

I'm a New York guy. And I'm like the. The loser teams, if you will. Although things are starting to go in the right direction, but it's been a long 40 years.

[Jax]

The new York teams are the loser teams. Especially if you're not rooting for the Yankees.

[KFC]

Yeah, there's a clear divide, but things are getting a little bit better. But it's. We have had to be very, very patient.

[Jax]

Yeah, well, I'm very excited for today's episode because, Kevin, I call you kfc, like, to my friends. Is that fine?

[KFC]

Yeah, yeah, I get that all the time. Like, it's whatever.

[Jax]

But like, your real friends call you Kevin.

[KFC]

Yes. My real friends call me Kevin. And then they make fun of me. Like, if they're. If I'm, like, being annoying or whatever, they'll be like, oh, KFC is out today. And that's when I know to shut the hell up.

[Jax]

Like, all right, kfc.

[KFC]

Yeah. So when I first started and Barstool.

[Jax]

Can you intro yourself? And I do feel like today's episode is really special because it's for the husbands and wives, because you're like, Barstool king, and obviously the toast is for the swirlies. This is going to bring couples together.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

I'm going to be really excited about this duo.

[KFC]

Yes. I. I work for Barstool. I started Barstool New York. So it started in Boston with Dave, and then this is back in 2009, he wanted to expand into different cities. The idea was kind of like, have satellite cities. And I was the first one they expanded out of Boston. And so I started the New York branch, and then I started podcasting at Barstool and. And all that. So I've been there for, like, 15. 15 years. And, yeah, I came on. I came on with Claudia back in, like, 2017 or 18, a long time ago.

[Jax]

So what I was gonna say is you've podcasted with Claudia on our show, but not the Toast. I think it was the breath. So you haven't been on the toast yet.

[KFC]

No.

[Jax]

So another piece of Herstory. Toast Herstory, which is very exciting. And we have not met, even though you had podcasts with Claudia, and I think she did your show too, like, back.

[KFC]

Yes.

[Jax]

So you and Claudia go way back, but this is our first time meeting and our first time podcasting. I'm really excited because you do a lot of sports. Obviously you work at Barstool, but you do a lot of pop culture, too. You have a lot of pot takes.

[KFC]

Totally. Yeah. At this point, I mean, I am a, like, a weirdo sports fan, but I would say my content is more pop culture, comedy, stand up, all that sort of stuff. So that was kind of where we made our lane. But when, you know, the playoffs are on and things really get cooking and baseball, I'm a sicko. It's like the Mets are, like some weird issue I have. I don't know. It's, like, ingrained into my DNA.

[Jax]

I think the Mets are cool. As someone who is a New Yorker originally, like, if I had to choose between Mets and Yankees, like, I do have more love for the Mets.

[KFC]

Let's go.

[Jax]

And I think they're having, like, a lot of Big moments.

[KFC]

This is like, that. Nobody would. You would not have said that, like, you know, 10 years ago.

[Jax]

Yeah. Pete Alonso, he's a good friend of Ben's. He's a mensch. He's a really good guy.

[KFC]

Really good dude. Yep.

[Jax]

So I root for him. They sell Spritz Society at Citi Field. Pickle flavor, like, so tasty.

[KFC]

That's right up your alley.

[Jax]

And speaking of alcohol brands, you have brought me something today which obviously I can't partake in right now, but it's very exciting and I think people are gonna be really excited about it.

[KFC]

This is Midnight Bean. This is, I believe, to be the best pre bottled, ready to drink espresso martini on the market.

[Jax]

Is that your fave? Espresso?

[KFC]

So I've been drinking espresso martinis since basically I started working at barstool since.

[Jax]

Before they were cool. Like the meth.

[KFC]

Yes, basically. N. So when I. When I. The. The mother of my kids introduced me to it. And this is back when I, like, in my, you know, early 20s, mid-20s, when I was just drinking Bud Lights and, like, didn't know anything about anything. And she ordered an espresso martini and I tasted one then. And ever since then, it's been like my cocktail. But there was a long period of time where that was like, it was girly and it was lame, and now it's like all the rage. I mean, between, I would say seltzers and espresso martinis have, like, taken over the alcohol industry the last, you know, few years. So for the last, like, you know, 10 plus years, we had. I had this thing on social media called the Three Bean Gang, because you put the three beans in the espresso martinis and it would. But it was just like a hashtag and it was just anybody, anytime you went out for an espresso martini, people would take pictures and share it with me and I'd use the hashtag and I would repost it. But I never planned on, like, having my own. It was just a thing that was, like, for people who like these cocktails. And then it kind of all materialized after that. So in a way, it really is very organic where it was like, it's not like something I did just to make a buck. And yeah, it materialized over, you know, over a decade. So I'm really into it. The people who, like, followed along are really into it. And I wouldn't have done it if it didn't taste right and. And feel right. It foams up nice. Like, it really feels like you're drinking one from a bar.

[Jax]

So how do you make one? Like, do you need to add anything?

[KFC]

Nothing. It's all in there, ready to pour. It's got vodka, real vodka in it. And you just pour it and shake it. That's the beauty of it. There's no mixing. Like, it used to be you would go to a bar and like the bartender, either they didn't have an espresso machine or they would roll their eyes. Like, I gotta make all these ingredients, shake it up. So this is kind of like whether you're. Now you can have them at home. And also if you're a bar or restaurant that serves it, just pour, shake.

[Jax]

Beautiful.

[KFC]

It really is cool. When I went down to Sazerac, CRE created it and when I went to their, like, distillery or whatever, I was pretty skeptical. And they like shook one up and poured it out and it was all foamy and, like settled, almost like a Guinness. And I was like, whoa. And then it tasted right, it looked right. And I really was prepared for it to be like a high end item. I was like, this is going to just be like an $80 bottle because it's martinis. And they. I was like, so what's the damage? And they said 1999. And I was like, oh, my God. So it's going to be nationwide available at a price point that I think everybody can enjoy it. We're kind of at the stage right now where we're just getting it into stores.

[Jax]

Yeah. So where can people get it? Can they get online?

[KFC]

I'm actually not sure. I don't think it's available online. But the thing is, it will be. Every state, every spot has the option to stock it. We just got to get it there. So if you go to your local stores or restaurants, just ask for it. If they don't have it, ask them to please stock it. And it's available for anybody who wants it.

[Jax]

Midnight Bean. Yeah, I'm sure they will love you. Having a pregnant lady, that's everyone's favorite. Yeah.

[KFC]

Not the best timing, but, you know, well, when you, when, when you have yours, we can celebrate, you know.

[Jax]

Yes, exactly. But we're very happy for you and I think the girlies will love that. Everyone loves an espresso martini.

[KFC]

I was going to say, as I like it, it's definitely a girly drink. So I'm like, in a lot of my promotion, a lot of the PR we're doing, it's like, the girls are going to love it.

[Jax]

So. Yeah, for the girls, I'M like, being for the boys, which you're for. The boys are for the boys. It's for everyone. This episode is for the everyone, which I'm really jazzed about. So we took off last week and I just want to update everyone because I finally got to watch some television in my life and I watched Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and I. You watched one episode?

[KFC]

Yes, I. I stumbled on an episode the other day that is a wild ass show. That is crazy.

[Jax]

I watch a lot of reality tv. Been watching it for a really long time. I feel really comfortable saying, like, this is the best reality TV we've had in a very long time. Like, the first season was so good. It was one of our favorite shows of last year. And then this season is better somehow. Usually, like the sophomore slump, everyone all of a sudden gets a little famous. They don't want to, like, risk brand deals and act wrong. And like, everyone wants just to be well liked because it pays to be the favorite. These girls don't care. And it just. The tides constantly shift. It's been so good. I genuinely entered, like, a depression when I finish it. And, like, I'm not someone who, like, gets in the weeds of, like, drama. You know how, like, there are people who make, like, videos about, like, so and so unfollowed so and so, like, left a comment this. Like, I usually, when I turn off the tv, like, the show ends for me. Like, I don't want to know this stuff. I just, like, I don't really care about the minutia.

[KFC]

Right.

[Jax]

I couldn't get this one.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Well, I'm So the one scene I saw, they're at some dinner table and this girl was flat out, like, I'm the most popular and I should be making the most money. And I was like, whoa, this is like, they're just laying it out there, you know?

[Jax]

Yeah. And like.

[KFC]

But they all look like cookie cutter to me. I'm like, wait, which one is that? Is she the queen? Is she the leader? Who's the one?

[Jax]

You have to do the work to be able to tell them apart. Yeah, then you can. No, that was one of the best scenes ever. When they called her out for, like, literally her best friend. She was ready to be like, take her salary and have her off the show because she wanted more money. And she. At first you're like, oh, you are the fan favorite. Like, you're a big part of the show. Maybe you should get paid more than the others. And then Taylor Frankie Paul slaps her dick on the table and it's like you're the fan favorite just because you say things at a dinner that people like you haven't shared anything about your life. Like the. She puts her whole life on display for the show. If anybody should get paid more, it's her. Not only did she get the show for them by being who she is, but so much of the storyline is about her personal life. Like if you want, if you're in the drama with the girls, like, yeah, it's interesting but it's low stakes for you. Like you're not risking anything.

[KFC]

It's just putting your whole business out there. But there's so many of them.

[Jax]

There's so many.

[KFC]

So like.

[Jax]

And more.

[KFC]

The, the. I'm sure it's doing well, but the money situation has got to be pretty precarious cuz you got to pay. There's like 12 girls or whatever. At least. It seems that way. There's. It seems like there's just an endless supply of them.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

But it's so interesting to me that they're like just the Mormon thing in general. Really.

[Jax]

Well, they're all like have different degrees of Mormonism.

[KFC]

That's what I mean. There's like levels to it where it's like. But they're all pretty. And they're all like pretty materialistic it seems. And it's like, so what really is going on here?

[Jax]

They're all so different. Hairs are different. Just. You just couldn't pick two to be the same.

[KFC]

I need like a crossover. I need them.

[Jax]

So they went on Vanderpump Villa, but I haven't watched that yet.

[KFC]

I haven't seen that yet either. But I've seen clips that like Stasi is kind of like doing Stasi things again.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

So somebody say like, we haven't had a good Stasi like unhinged rant in a while.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

She was one of those goats who like.

[Jax]

Right.

[KFC]

She used to talk about throwing your dick on the table. That girl that. She scares me. Like I would never want to be in front of a camera with her. I'd be like, I don't know what you're capable of, you know? Yeah, she's a boss.

[Jax]

No, she really is. And so she's back. So they did this Vanderpump Villa crossover that has actually become the supply for a lot of drama on the Mormon Wife show. Apparently like stuff happened in the Villa.

[KFC]

Sure.

[Jax]

And they're bringing it up. So it's actually, it's very good synergy. And I have to watch Vanderpump Philip, I want to know more.

[KFC]

Are you a Vanderpump girl?

[Jax]

Yes. Oh, I've watched it all.

[KFC]

Did you. What did you think of the Tom Sandoval, like, rebrand? Did you watch Traders?

[Jax]

I didn't watch Traders.

[KFC]

So he, like, you know, almost everybody in the world hates him.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

And then I don't know if it was the edit or just the way he handled himself, but he was kind of this, like, dumb, endearing guy on the Traders, where I feel like he, like, turned. Turned it around a little bit.

[Jax]

That's good. Like, I'm. I don't hate him, like, so aggressively anymore. And I feel like I'm special because I didn't like him even before Scandal, so it's like I saw right through him. So I can go back to those, like, low levels of dislike.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

But no one should, like, live in that forever, you know, and we can't have those, like, strong feelings about him forever. Like, he lost, like, he did something really awful. He lost literally everything.

[KFC]

Yeah. Now let him live.

[Jax]

Right.

[KFC]

Right. Well, I think sometimes people forget that. It's like, it's a. It's reality, but it's also like a TV show and it's a business and it's an industry. And, like, I don't know, it gets a little bit, like you said, like, turning it off and just kind of leaving it there.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Not many people do that, you know, Most people.

[Jax]

And then they're like, outside the restaurant picketing.

[KFC]

Yeah. At some point it's like, yeah, go home is a good answer.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

But on. Just put on next one. Just go to the Mormons. Go to the. You know, need to fixate on that. So.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

But it was interesting to see, like, that would have been someone that I was kind of like, I don't know if there's any coming back. And I think he kind of came back.

[Jax]

Okay. That's good. I'm, like, sort of happy for him. But Vanderpump, as we know it, is over because they're recasting that show. Have you been watching?

[KFC]

So they. I feel like Scandal, like, they had their moment, and I feel like they tried to kind of reboot it or.

[Jax]

Gave them an extra two seasons, but I think this would have happened two years ago if not for scannable.

[KFC]

Right. It kind of ran its course.

[Jax]

It did.

[KFC]

And that. I think. I think they all kind of have a natural life cycle where once you get famous enough and rich enough, I think Summer House is kind of going through that a little bit.

[Jax]

Well, I think we're going through this inflection point. Yes. I was just talking about this yesterday with my guest for tomorrow, which I don't want to spoil, but of, like, people growing out of reality shows because the formula doesn't work anymore. Not just drinking. Like, you want to get married and have children and, like, you have to.

[KFC]

Not especially for the girls.

[Jax]

Yeah, yeah, especially for the girls. So. But these are, like, tested, tried, and true reality stars. We shouldn't let them go. Like, they're great television, as opposed to them trying to find new people who we don't. Might not like and probably don't because they're very poor, bad at casting.

[KFC]

I think you need. I think you need both, though. Like, I think Summer House really worked well as an example when it was just like, they were regular people, like, doing the Hamptons back and forth commute that, like, so many people in right here in the summer do.

[Jax]

Right.

[KFC]

But then you get famous and it's like, well, all right, so it can't be that anymore.

[Jax]

Right?

[KFC]

You don't want to let go. And like you said, so you almost need to, like.

[Jax]

But I feel like the Valley has really solved this problem a little bit of, like, the aging reality stars who, like, we still love and we want to see. But just because, like, you have a baby or something doesn't mean that, like, you can't do it anymore, but not in the way that you were. So I think people are saying, like, Lindsay Hubbard should go to Real Housewives of New York. That doesn't really excite me. But I think a Valley, like, show in the city that's like, yeah. People in their 30s, young couples, like.

[KFC]

Well, so do you feel like I. I wonder from, like, a female point of view, like, when I started getting older and having kids and just settling down, like, as a dad, like, my content, if you will, went from, like, stories about partying and going to the Hamptons and summer houses and all these things that are, like, kind of inherently interesting or a little bit, like, gossipy and salacious to being like, I'm a dad. I go home, I play with my kids.

[Jax]

Drama, Right, True.

[KFC]

So. But then there's a whole new audience that's like, I want to hear about, like, your house renovation. Like, what aisle are you using in your bathroom? And, like, what activities are you taking your kids to? So there is that world, but it's not as easy to be, like, captivating, I feel like, you know. Yeah, but if you can find a, you know, a new crop of, like, young people to that's hopefully kind of what we did at barstools. Like, there was backfilling in a way. It's like, if you want the young party stuff, you go here. If you want, like, the coming. I've always tried to, like, age appropriately.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

I feel like that's hard in reality tv, though, when the. The ratings are high and the money's big party anymore. But you kind of have to.

[Jax]

That's a good point. But I do feel like that's why the Valley is good, because they're still. They have kids. They're still the most dramatic people I've ever seen. Like, they have all these fights. Well, they're all divorcing and they're fighting with each other, so I don't feel like they're just like boring married people. But. Yeah, I guess we should stay away from the boring married people.

[KFC]

Yeah. I just also, I mean, I find I feel like being married in some of these shows is probably very difficult.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Like, you really don't have a normal life or like, like marriage and kids are tough enough as it is.

[Jax]

Right.

[KFC]

And then you throw in cameras and money and producers and, you know, and.

[Jax]

Like, bad faith actors.

[KFC]

Oh, my God. Yeah. People like the people who want to come in, who just want to be famous.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Producers, even. Like, my experience, when we did it, we've done like, reality competitions at Barstool, and the producers, like, God bless them, they work really hard and they're all like a part of the Barstool family. But there are definitely times where they're like, get out there and, like, say this or do that. And I'm like, yo, man, like, relax. You're trying to ruin my life here, like, for some YouTube views. Chill out. So I can only imagine when it's like, Bravo, like, we're talking big time ratings and like, they're like, go out there and pick that fight or sleep with that person or whatever, you know, so.

[Jax]

Yeah. And when you have, like a cast mate who will do anything to be on the show.

[KFC]

Yes.

[Jax]

And they'll say anything. Anything untrue. And like, that throws, like, that's just Right. Because that level of chaos, is it.

[KFC]

Reality, reality or is it entertainment? Because then.

[Jax]

Right. You know, no, it's tough.

[KFC]

And then I look at shows, like, did you. I didn't watch the show, but I think everybody saw the clips of Temptation island and with Montoya.

[Jax]

Yeah, I saw the clips.

[KFC]

Like, I. I remember, like, being like, four weeks into that saga where it's like, she's another. Can I. Yeah. Of Course, another guy. And, like. And I remember on my show, me and my. My co host John was like, these two should just break up. Like, what are we doing here? Why are you even in this relationship? Sometimes I think that a lot about the reality couples where I'm like you. This is not just break up, you know?

[Jax]

I know, but then when they don't, I'm like, this is the strongest. This must be. Even though I'm seeing them, like, being the worst couple ever, I'm like, well, they must be incredibly strong. There must be something.

[KFC]

There must be something there. Yeah, they love hard, fight hard, all that. Sort of.

[Jax]

The good times are so good, and we just happen to miss well.

[KFC]

But that's where, like. Like with the season of Summer House, Jesse and Lexi. Lexi. I'm like, you guys have known each other for 25 seconds like this. It cannot be worth all his Dr. No, no.

[Jax]

By the end, it wasn't worth all the drama, but I'm like, am I the only one. I really saw, like, the initial love.

[KFC]

There was a spark.

[Jax]

There was a spark. I'm sorry. Like, there was a spark.

[KFC]

That's where, like, regular people would be. Like, where we had, like, a summer fling in the Hamptons, and for them, it's like, cameras and, you know, drama and sucking on toes and all sorts of shit.

[Jax]

No, totally. Do you talk to a lot of reality stars on your show and stuff, like. Or do you meet them all? Because they call them through the office.

[KFC]

Yeah, Chicks in the office is like. They're kind of. Their lane is the reality stuff. I definitely have my. I don't even call them guilty pleasures. They're just my pleasures. Yeah, Like, I love it. I don't give a. About that. I'm like, whatever. Like, to me, it's all very entertaining.

[Jax]

No, it's, like, so mainstream now. Like, if you're not watching Summer House, you're.

[KFC]

Yeah. You're not.

[Jax]

Like, what are you doing on a Wednesday night?

[KFC]

So we've had a couple on, but they're the. The girls. Really. That's like, their. Their lane. I, like, I feel like I know more of them. Like, they don't really have them on the show, but I just kind of connect through social media and whatnot. Which is even weirder because I'm like. Like, I've never met you before. But, you know, I mean, just like we were. It's like, I've never met you, but, yeah. Start to, like, be friends. Like, you know, I know you're pregnant. I know your life. I know Your family. I'm like, it's kind of that weird world.

[Jax]

Yeah, no, totally. Even though I'm like, yeah, I know kfc. We never met.

[KFC]

Right. I mean, so at this point, like, some of my best friends are, like, Internet people. You know what I mean?

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

It's like, I have my real friends and then my Internet friends, but I feel like they all. I know them, like, just as well.

[Jax]

Yeah. Do you do a lot of interviews on your show or just.

[KFC]

Yeah, we. We. This. So my show's been around for so long. We started in 2012. We were kind of ahead of the curve, and we really hit our stride. Our peak was kind of that, like, golden era when comics were really starting to blow up. So it was like right before every comic had their own podcast and five Netflix specials.

[Jax]

Right.

[KFC]

And so the world was kind of getting to meet these people for the first times, like Chris DiStefano, Burke Reischer, Tom Segura, Andrew Schultz. All these people who are now are, you know, Nate Bargazi. Napergazi was my first interview. We were each other's first interview ever.

[Jax]

Oh, cool.

[KFC]

And now he's making, you know, $100 million a year, like, mega successful, but in that little window where, like, now if you want to hear those guys, you just go to their podcast, you know? Yeah, but in the beginning, it was kind of like our show was one of the few that was really interviewing those guys. So we had, like, a really good run then. And then once that died down a little bit, I go back and forth. It's like, I think our. Our audience wants to hear me and John talk.

[Jax]

You know what's so funny? Like, for Claudia and I would say the exact same thing as what you said. Like, there was a peak in time where, like, we were interviewing, like, everyone, and it was. So we were having fun. And then, yeah, everyone got podcasts. Everyone's doing everything. I would say it was Covid. Covid kind of changed it because it's like every celebrity's sitting on Zoom wanting to do a podcast, and it's like, when you can have anyone and everyone is going on every show, that did change things.

[KFC]

You're right.

[Jax]

It's not so interesting.

[KFC]

But then also.

[Jax]

And then we got to a place where, like, we don't want to do Zoom interviews.

[KFC]

Yes. To be back, Zoom was, like, cool in the beginning because it was like, oh, these people are saying yes now that you probably never could have got. And then it was, like, just endless interviews of stepping on each other's toes and Delays and people. We interviewed somebody. We interviewed someone. They put their laptop on the other side of the room. They were like this big on the screen. And I was just fed up with that. I was like, I can't do this anymore. And then also we reached the point where I just noticed that, like, every interview was like cookie cutter generic questions, generic answers. And I was like, I hate this.

[Jax]

No.

[KFC]

I used to be like, come do a podcast.

[Jax]

Yeah. Like, and not so much an interview, but like a conversation. Like, it's not like we're gonna hit all these questions.

[KFC]

This was like, where did you get your start? It's like that.

[Jax]

And then, like, it's just a back and forth.

[KFC]

Right.

[Jax]

The art of podcasting.

[KFC]

Yes. That's kind of. And. And. And I was like, done with that. I was like, I'd rather just do. I also myself, like, once I started listening to podcasts, I really didn't listen to them for the first several years. I was doing.

[Jax]

Right.

[KFC]

Probably a bad idea. I probably should have known the market a little better.

[Jax]

But no, I feel like everybody who has a successful podcast says that they're like, I don't listen to podcasts.

[KFC]

Right. I started to recently listen to them.

[Jax]

I just do them.

[KFC]

I also have just consumed them, like, through clips. At this point, it's very strange, but I. Every time I'm. I put on one of my shows, if there's a guest, I'm like, I don't want to. I want to hear my, like, the people.

[Jax]

Right, Right.

[KFC]

So I'm like, I'm hoping that's what people feel about me and John, you know, so. So for the plan, you know, we'll have people in here and there, but for the most part, it's. It's just us doing our thing. And then Jackie and. And Pavs are like our producer slash co hosts as well. So we have this little family that's fun. Little for some.

[Jax]

Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. I think we're the same way as well. But then it's fun to get to do interviews once in a while. And obviously for Jackson Friends week, I'm sitting down with my friends and we're going to do some pop culture. So I think without further ado, dah doo dah do. Let's get into the fast five stories that you do need to know. Today's episode is brought to you by Skims. My life is brought to you by Skims. More and more so every single day and more and more so with every single product that they come out, because Each one is better than the next. Skims, bras and underwear are the best intimates I have ever owned. My top drawer in my closet is solely becoming all skims. I love their everyday bras, I love their undies, I love their pajamas. Just everything is so good. I'm so particular about my intimates since my body has changed, is changing, will continue to change. So I need things that are going to grow with your girl, you know, not make me feel bad about myself. 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And if you have existing numbers with another service, Open Phone will port them over at no extra charge. Open Phone, no missed calls, no missed customers. You guys, Open Phone, check it out. Openphone.com/toast. So the first story is something that's been developing for the last week, like kind of bombshell news because we had reported on the toast that Justin Baldoni was subpoenaing Taylor Swift for text messages that allegedly Blake sent to Taylor, threatening Taylor to publicly take her side in the legal feud of Baldoni v. Lively.

[KFC]

I love this one. This saga is good for business.

[Jax]

Yeah, this saga is good for business. But I do find And I. I want to know your high level take on the situation before we get into the weeds of this story. I do find it very hard to keep up with. Like, something will happen that feels like the biggest deal. And it's like, then the next day is, oh, they. They said that's not true. And it's. It's being dismissed. And then something small will happen. And I miss how it's like, the best deal in the world, right?

[KFC]

And also, they're not starting the trial till 2026. So it's like, why are we even talking about this now? We got a long time to go, right?

[Jax]

So I've just sort of been like, sitting tight. And I don't pick. If I picked updates every day, we would literally talk about this every day. And people don' Love Claudia. And I take on it mostly Claudia's, because she's still team Blake.

[KFC]

What are you.

[Jax]

So I was team Blake until a couple months ago. And, like, I was a hard team. Like, especially last summer when it felt like she was being canceled by him and his, like, male feminism. And I'm like, yucky.

[KFC]

That's my high level take, first of all, is that this. This is all the worst people in the world. Like, they are the worst. I. Justin Baldoni is like, male feminist shit is the biggest grift and the phoniest act. And if anybody falls for that shit, they are idiotic. Like, that is so blatant and transparent. But. And so it's hard for me to take the side of a guy like that, but I'm pretty firmly in his camp where it's like, I think Blake Lively has been even more insufferable, right?

[Jax]

So I do agree that, like, even though I'm not, like, like, obsessed with him, and this doesn't change how I feel about him, and I still wouldn't be, like, a fan. I want to listen to his podcast. Like, I do think when you get into the weeds here, like, he did less wrong than her. And I think when that New York Times article came out of, like, what of her side? You know, it came out, like, over Christmas, and it was like, oh, my God, the tide, the pendulum totally swung in her direction. It was, like, so good for her. And then so quickly it all unraveled.

[KFC]

There's also a difference between, like, if you're gonna sling mud, and it's like a he said, she said of, like, gossip is one thing, but when you get hit with, like, a sexual harassment, like, assault charge or accusation, at least that's a whole different game. Yeah, it's like, okay, we can talk about who was like a diva on set or unprofessional, but, like, now you're saying that I assaulted you or something. That's a whole. You better have, like, real proof on that. That's like a life ruin or career ruiner if it's true.

[Jax]

And things got so bad for him after that article, like, of course he's gonna stop at nothing to get his good name back. So I think now, in hindsight, they should. Even though things were bad for Blake Lively last summer and she was going through like a period of unpopularity and like, you know, I think that was better than what's happening now because I, because even someone like me last summer, I was like, you know what? Even if she's a diva, I don't care. Like, that's not a crime. Like, now we know not the first, not the last most beautiful woman in the world who's married to Ryan Reynolds and has a perfect life is super.

[KFC]

Like, down to earth normal. Yeah. But that's also why I can't believe that her and Ryan Reynolds, because he now became like, part of this. Like, whatever is at stake is not worth this.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Like, I know that. I feel like the underlying thing was actually them trying to take the rights.

[Jax]

To the movies and then so they can make this.

[KFC]

Sure. And I'm sure that is wildly profitable and there's a lot of money on the line, but, like, it is not worth this. You have no kids. You have Taylor Swift, you have like literal subpoenas all. It's just like, you guys are rich and successful. Just let this die or go or pull the plug and be like, all right, never mind. And like, you egg on your face, but just go back to your awesome life.

[Jax]

Yeah, this and like, just leave us sort of like in the dust of confusion. And I think we could messing with Marvel and I think, yeah, all that. It's like, and I think the whole industry, like, nobody wants to touch this with a ten foot pole. Like, I think that the movie and people forget that there was a movie based on like the most popular book of the last five years. Like, it should have been nominated for that Golden Globe of like box office movies and like the Oscars of like, success. It was so successful and like, like, I didn't watch the movie. I did read the book.

[KFC]

I have, I, I.

[Jax]

Did you watch the movie?

[KFC]

No, I, I have not watched or read the book. I, I feel like that issue almost got like, skirted because of the celebrity drama. But I feel like at least everything I learned about it was that Colleen Hoover and Blake Lively, like, the way they approached that and made it into, like, this rom com thing.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Like, I really don't like Justin Baldoni's grift, but the fact that he was, like, working with the women's shelters and the foundations and all that felt like he was taking that topic more seriously than, like, grab your flowers and go with your girlies. And I was like, this is about abuse. You know, it was a very strange.

[Jax]

Correct. But I will disagree with you on just that point, because one thing that made the book really good is, like, you're reading the book and you think it's a Colleen Hoover love story. Like, and the domestic violence, like, kind of is so surprising and also confusing at first that you have to, like, you sort of go through this journey like the main character does of, like, wait, what was that? Like, was that an accident? Like, and I understood why they didn't want to promote the movie as, like, being about domestic violence because it's not like, a spoiler, but it does take away from the experience of, like, watching it unfold. Watching it unfold, which contributed to, like, how it's not so cut and dry at first. Like, she. Something happens, and it could have been an accident, and then it's just, like, it's gray, and then it's not. So I understood why the. They wanted it to not be all about that, because the book, like, isn't really like that. So that was something that she did that. And the studio had said, like, we don't want you to promote it as a. So when she didn't. That didn't bother me. But I understand how it looks.

[KFC]

Right. And especially when one guy is going, like, so far the other direction.

[Jax]

But that was, like, him just, I think, being, like, the worst. Right?

[KFC]

Yes.

[Jax]

But still not a sexual harasser, perhaps.

[KFC]

Right. It's also one of those things, like, if you do do a good thing for the wrong reason, it's like, was he really, like. I think he brought a bunch of survivors and victims to the premiere and, like, donated. And that's all very good things. I think he's doing it for.

[Jax]

It's part of his craft.

[KFC]

But is it if you make those people happy? Yeah. So. But then that all kind of falls by the wayside once you go into the. The. I mean, the drama of the website and the text messages. Yeah, I was reading, like, 150 pages of text messages. I was like, what am I doing? Right. No, I know it got so dramatic, and I just. I just feel like then Ryan Reynolds kind of gets pulled in, and he goes kind of from, like, the golden boy to, like, everyone kind of.

[Jax]

I think he sus.

[KFC]

He. He's such a one.

[Jax]

I used to always think he was sus. And then when this actually all started to happen, and I never was, like, obsessed with her. Like, I never really thought about her, but then I felt really defensive of them. I'm like, this is a nice couple. Like, they. They don't deserve this. Like, no one does.

[KFC]

Right?

[Jax]

And now I'm back on the side strain.

[KFC]

I mean, like, it's almost a shame that Baldoni is such a slimy dude, because if he was just, like, a good person, I think it would be, like, open and shut, where it's just, yeah, you guys are being horrible to this guy. But. And I mean, and then the Taylor Swift wrinkle is, like, right. The most dramatic of all.

[Jax]

That's the latest. So last week, and we had shared that he had subpoenaed Taylor Swift. He heard that she had these, like, threatening messages from Blake's team saying, like, you need to come out and publicly support me or else I'll, like, like, show these messages that you sent.

[KFC]

Did you. Before we do this, did you believe, like, there was that news cycle of, like, Taylor wants her out. Like, she's no longer friends. The dragon comments.

[Jax]

Right. For a long time, like, no. Because I feel like everything that they say about her that's, like, conjecture is just wrong. I even saw a headline today that's like, taylor Swift seemingly celebrates Justin Baldwin because she went out to dinner. So she had dinner, and so she's celebrating someone's legal win across the country.

[KFC]

I mean, the dots tell. You can connect her. I mean, people just make up stories.

[Jax]

People just make.

[KFC]

It's like fan fiction. It really is just making things up.

[Jax]

But, like, Blake is the godmother, or Taylor's the godmother. Blake's children. Taylor writes songs about her children. Like, I think that that's a friendship that's harder to break than just, like, someone who's composing an inconvenience, like, and getting bad press.

[KFC]

Here's also what I. I mean, I. I don't know too much about her songs. I know that she's had the kids.

[Jax]

Like, in names in the songs, and also, like, their voices.

[KFC]

Gorgeous.

[Jax]

Oh, so, you know.

[KFC]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jax]

But I don't know.

[KFC]

But making Taylor Swift, making anybody the godmother of your kids three times, I think is a little weird. Like, I Almost feel like that's a one way thing. Oh, you know what I mean?

[Jax]

Yeah. Yeah.

[KFC]

She wants Taylor Swift to be the godmother again. I'm. I'm making fan fiction here. I don't know, but it just feels like in. In doing it myself, it's kind of like you do like your sister and then her brother, and it's like, I think you want Tyler Swift to be the godmother of your kids. And she did it like a bunch.

[Jax]

And wants, like, I could say I want Taylor Swift to be the godmother. My kids, all of a sudden, we're.

[KFC]

So close, we're gonna say no, you know, I. To be the godmother of kids. We've already done this twice. I don't want to know. You just keep, you know, so part of me almost feels like that was.

[Jax]

It was like a clout.

[KFC]

Yes. Like, she's very. You wouldn't, you wouldn't think Blake Lively's looking for clout, but when you're talking about attaching yourself to that one, like, yeah, that's the most cloud of all. So I, I mean, I really. I don't know anything about their relationship other than like, they went to a football game once together and the godmother stuff. But I would be. If it was me and you're calling me Dragon and like talking about that and using me and like, you're a. I'd be like, like, I don't like that, you know?

[Jax]

Yeah. My thought was like, they were so such good friends. This was just like my feeling like such best friends, like a sisterhood almost, that, like, there's nothing that that person could do that would surprise you. So, like, when, like I would ride for any of my friends, even if they're are objectively wrong, but, like, I would think that they're right. Cause that's my friend. Like, I. Like, we think the same, we do the same. So like, to drop like a lifelong friend because it, it just doesn't feel congruous with like, true friendship.

[KFC]

Right.

[Jax]

So maybe to your point, they weren't as good a friend, but I do think she was like Taylor's strongest celebrity friend. Like, you know, she has Abigail that way. Yeah. Like, she was always, like, she's been around the longest, him forever, and so much so that their families are like, intertwined. So that was what was surprising to me. But I guess maybe the friendship just wasn't what we thought it was.

[KFC]

I also think you reached a point with a girl like Taylor Swift who like disappeared for a couple Years went through hell, the scooter brawn stuff. And then you come back and you've, you know, made it basically like beat everybody, beat Kanye, beat school, all that. And then all of a sudden there's like this chance that this movie and this guy and all this shit might tear you down or you get involved in a lawsuit or ever. I would be very quick to be like, keep me though.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

I want to be excluded from this narrative. Like, yeah, I'm not risking it for all this. You know what I mean?

[Jax]

Yeah. But I think if it was like a better friendship.

[KFC]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jax]

Like for like a sisterhood.

[KFC]

And we'll find out if then you're.

[Jax]

Just moral compass is like, I wouldn't drop my friend because of what people are saying, saying.

[KFC]

Especially if you believe her and she's.

[Jax]

At the level where she can do what she wants. This won't ruin her rep. Like, even if she's like in the muck with them. I think people also can see through that. They're sort of using her name to like every time her name's in the. The case, like, we're talking about it. So I just feel like it's not like her celebrity status is so precarious that, like, she has no. Oh, I can't have a whiff of scandal.

[KFC]

You know, there are people out there. There's the Candace Owens of the world who, like, you know, latched on, kind of like looking for an angle to tear down. I don't think it will happen. But if there was even a. Or I had to go through that or whatever, I don't think this, I'd.

[Jax]

Be like, well, yeah, I agree with that. But anyway, so the tea this morning is that apparently the insider. And then last week Justin Baldoni's team, like, rescinded their subpoena of Taylor.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

So, okay then. Page Six is reporting this morning that the insider who leaked Blake Lively's alleged threat to release Taylor's private text has been revealed. And they're saying it's her father, Scott Swift. He reportedly. Drama. I didn't see that. When I thought it was going to be like, some publicist, I was like, this is here.

[KFC]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jax]

But no. He reportedly went to Justin Balnoni's team with the bombshell claim that Blake Lively threatened to leak his daughter's texts if the pop star did not publicly support her in the ongoing feud with her. It ends with us. Co star, the Daily. An insider alleged to the Daily Mail on Friday that Scott Swift did not want his daughter to be dragged into this any further. And he voluntarily gave up this information as part of a deal that would include Justin's team withdrawing their subpoena for Taylor. Well, looks like that happened.

[KFC]

Girl. Dad, let's go. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's a world where, like, Scott is his name. Scott Swift should probably just stay out of her business. She's a multi billion dollar enterprise. Whatever. But, like, I'm. If I, if that was me, if that's my daughter and like, I know that that's going.

[Jax]

And I think, like, he works on her team, right.

[KFC]

So, like, he's not just like a dad who's.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Sticking his nose where it shouldn't be. I have no problem with him riding like that and just being like, I'm not letting you get my girl like that.

[Jax]

No, I kind of like it too.

[KFC]

Yeah. Like, I, I'm sure Taylor and Tree Pain, everybody doesn't want, like, the family out there, but I think there's like, they should almost lean into this in a way and be like, yeah, like, daddy's little girl is not going to be, like, exploited, extorted, none of that.

[Jax]

No. And like, if it was Tree, then it goes sort of back to like this manipulative PR narrative of like, you know, she's like, pulling the puppet strings, her and Taylor. But when it's just a dad protecting.

[KFC]

His daughter, it's like, it's just like you're love. Ye. Yeah, I, I, I mean, I also. Is it like the lawyers or was it Blake Lively? You know, was it like Blake Lively's lawyer talking to Taylor Swift or Taylor Swift lawyers saying. That's also. It's being characterized as like, Blake Lively texted Taylor, if you don't publicly support me. You know, that's very different than lawyers doing what lawyers do, trying to, like, win the case, you know, but also.

[Jax]

Like, going through lawyers is kind of even more escalated, like, because it just has a threat. Like when you want to tell your friend something, you just like, text them. And even if you come up like a crazy, like you said, a rage test, like, I tell friends.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

I wouldn't have my lawyer tell my friend's lawyer that my friend needs to do something.

[KFC]

Right, right. That's where I, I feel like if that's the road this has gone down, either there wasn't that close of a friendship or if there was, it's, it's gone now.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Doing lawyers like that and your dad is out here like, defending you. I love that. I think that's awesome.

[Jax]

I think it's really cute.

[KFC]

And I. I mean, it's. It's. I think Baldoni's lawyer. What's the name? Brian Steele, I think, is very smart.

[Jax]

Oh, you know the lawyer.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

Gorgeous. Yeah.

[KFC]

Yes. I'm. I'm very happy to be here because I'm like, I could talk about all these things that nobody on my show cares about, but, like, I think he is. I think it's very smart to pose this at least as, like. Like, we'll. We don't want to bother Taylor. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, we got what we need. You don't need to be involved. And then it's almost like she's on your side, if you will. Like, I think he's been playing it very, very smart so far.

[Jax]

Yeah. And it looks that way as long as nothing worse happens. Every time someone does something right, it, like, gets totally, like, swings back. Swings back the other way.

[KFC]

When I saw, like, what was supposed to be, like, a bombshell clip of Baldoni, like, this was when the cameras were rolling, and it was like, I don't know. That looks like a kissing scene in a movie. Like, none of the smoking guns were really smoking guns.

[Jax]

I totally agree. Those clips just made me never want to watch another movie.

[KFC]

Like, I was like, you're slimy and.

[Jax]

Smart, both married, and you're kissing each other, and, like, even when the cameras are separating, you're still holding each other.

[KFC]

Like, do you think there's any of.

[Jax]

That going on that they're, like, they were in? Well, that could have been. Some people say, like, that's how it started. She had a crush on him. I really don't think it's that juvenile.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

I think it's more so about stealing the second movie. But, no, I feel like you, like, hold that. Like, actors are just weird. And seeing those clips, like, just made me realize that even more. So it's just a weird confession.

[KFC]

It's. It's. It's reality show. You know what I mean? It's, like, all just for appearances and attention and all that. But I also, when I talk about it, people are. You know, a lot of the guys traditionally are like, who cares about this gossip? And I'm like, I get it. But also, we are talking about if you like movies and you like Hollywood, and it's like, this was kind of like a hostile takeover of a movie and book series. Like, that's interesting to me.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

That this is all rooted in business and money and. And, like, like, you know, trying to take the rights. I Think there's something. Whether you're a. You know.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

It's not Hollywood gossip. It's like, this is business.

[Jax]

Yeah, I agree. High level. It's very interesting. In the weeds every single day. Not. Not my favorite.

[KFC]

Right?

[Jax]

But we go, like, we're probably once a week around here. Little update. Next story was some big news from last week that we absolutely have to talk about because Justin Bieber, like, is what I mean, the overall question is always what's going on with him? But especially so because Haley Bieber was on the COVID of Vogue. She had a beautiful Vogue sp. She did some hysterical videos with Vogue. Just, like, such a beautiful moment for her in general. For any woman. She talks about her postpartum experience, pregnancy. It was just an amazing interview. I'm sure you saw the videos of her with, like, the tincture and, like, just overall, like, couldn't have a negative thing to say about it until her husband chimed in with the world's weirdest Instagram caption. I would call it.

[KFC]

Not a great one. Not a great one.

[Jax]

So Justin Bieber posted the COVID to his Instagram, pretty much recounting a memory of a fight that they had. And he had said, hold on, let me get the quote here. He said, yo, this reminds me.

[KFC]

Yo is like, almost the worst part.

[Jax]

I haven't read it out loud yet. It's gonna be. It's gonna be painful. Yo, this reminds me, when Haley and I got into a huge fight, I told Hales that she would never be on the COVID of Vogue. Yikes. I know. So mean. He recalled singing the insult because he felt so disrespected and thought, I gotta get even. He said, I think as we mature, we realize that we're not helping anything by getting even. We're honestly just prolonging what we really want, which is intimacy and connection. So, baby, you already know, but forgive me for saying you wouldn't get a Vogue cover because clearly I was sadly mistaken. So after a few hours of being dragged for this, he changed the caption to a bunch of emojis, but the stench remains.

[KFC]

I'm gonna stand up for Biebs a little bit on this one.

[Jax]

Okay?

[KFC]

I love that in not almost a.

[Jax]

Devil'S advocate way, because I love devil's advocate. I love contrarian and not ye, like.

[KFC]

Because there's really no defending this one. But I think this is just another, like, he put his foot in his mouth as, like, a dumb husband who, like, thought that he was coming owning up to something, like, and it probably was a Fight. And she was right. And he's thinking I'm going to publicly like own this. And. And it just, you know, did not come across that way at all. Whether the words, the timing, whatever. I would hope. Maybe I'm hoping that because if it is just like a. Okay, she has all the attention. How do I take it away? Then he. That really is shitty. But I think it was more of like a. I. I thought. I mean guys are dumb a lot of times. Like the EQ of a lot of guys is very low.

[Jax]

I don't think it's as like sinister. Sinister as like she can't be about her, it's about me. I think he thought he was like saying something good about himself and something good about her.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

Like, like. But it just did not come off that way at all.

[KFC]

Public. If he had said in the past, you're never. Why ever that would be public. But. And then he just said like posted his. His former headline and was like I was wrong.

[Jax]

Right.

[KFC]

But to expose it. People didn't know this. And then you expose it and then ruin the moment.

[Jax]

It just in the first moment of the COVID like if he just posted the COVID was like proud of my girl. And then like later, I don't know, on a podcast or whatever. You know what we once had story or whatever. Interesting little tidbit that's like a little more understandable. I feel like do people do that? And they're like, you know, sort of telling on themselves. But it was a learning moment.

[KFC]

Right. And she did do it on Dax Shepard's show. Yeah. Or you're like exposing your marital problems. But like in that, that moment should just be Congratulations baby.

[Jax]

Right. You know, right then it was really bad. And I also prefer. Right.

[KFC]

You know what? At one time Justin told me and then you. You know what I mean?

[Jax]

Like, yeah.

[KFC]

But to. I do think that was probably like. Like once he saw the reaction, he was probably like, oh my God, like I'm an idiot. Not like a.

[Jax]

Well, I hope. I don't know.

[KFC]

Maybe I'm giving too much credit.

[Jax]

The context of his recent behavior. It's worse if. If he was just coming off solid as a rock and he slipped up with this ill timed post. It would like I'm a forgiving person and I am. And even here I feel as though I'm giving grace in the moment. But just like in the context of everything else that he's been doing in the last few weeks and acting and looking and being.

[KFC]

But doesn't that I almost feel like More sympathetic. Yeah. Like, he's not in a good spot. I think he's not enough for me. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Like, I don't believe that he's broke, but I think there might be financial troubles. I don't know what. What this truth is with the Diddy stuff, but there's enough even just those headlines.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

If. If something happened, then it's like, yeah, you are a victim, and I'm sure you've been. Your life is very tough. But even just, like, having the headlines, if they're untrue, you're like, how do I. And like, none of it seems healthy. I'm sure his entire life has not been healthy.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Being in the spotlight since you're like, 12. I give that guy a lot of grace because I know he's been kind of an idiot and he's done, like, dumb, juvenile. But I don't think it's as easy for Justin Bieber as people would imagine. Like, oh, you're a pop star and you're handsome. And, you know, I think he's gone through some dark, like, yeah, that's either the, like, literally the worst thing that can happen to you, or at the very least, exploited and all that sort of stuff, you know?

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

So in that case, it's almost like, oh, I think you're not in your right mind and you're not thinking straight at all. And that might explain why that post was so tone deaf and stupid.

[Jax]

Yeah. I think he's not in his right mind at the moment, but I feel like in the last few years, like, he was more in his right mind, like, and there was a time when he was, like, really acting out, and.

[KFC]

Then he sort of went away and he, like.

[Jax]

And then he got married and he has a baby, and it's like, again, why now? Perhaps Diddy, Perhaps financial issues. I don't know.

[KFC]

None of it's good, though. No, like, if. Again, if it's true, you're in a real bad spot, and if it's not, it's like, do I deny this? Do I. You know, it's one of those things. Do I acknowledge. Acknowledge the rumors? I don't know what to do in those spots. You know, there's really no right answer anymore.

[Jax]

I agree. Well, I think that's very generous, but.

[KFC]

I'm sure he was in the dog house. She was like, what the is.

[Jax]

Yeah, I think he lives there. I think every day.

[KFC]

I've always said that the. That the doghouse is not a place that most Guys go back and forth. It's just. How big is your dog house? Do you have enough room to like spin around and like sit over here and sit over there? Or is it just like one doghouse that you're permanently stuck. Stuck in?

[Jax]

Yeah, that's.

[KFC]

How big is it today? Do I have a little bit of wiggle room or am I totally fucked? That's the doghouse.

[Jax]

Our next story, I would say, is also good for your business because Jordan Hudson continues to fuel engagement rumors with Bill Belichick by sporting a ring on her left ring finger. So what are your thoughts on Jordan.

[KFC]

And Jordan Hudson is. This is. So I'm a Jets fan. From the football point of view, the jets fans.

[Jax]

I do want the football point of view here.

[KFC]

So, like, we hate Bill Belichick.

[Jax]

We hate him. Okay.

[KFC]

As a Jets. Jets in. The jets and the Patriots are in the same division, right? So that means you play like to get to the playoffs, you have to win your division. The Patriots won the division a billion years in a row. Bill Belichick at one point was supposed to be the jets head coach. He resigned by writing on a piece of. Piece on a napkin. I resigned as head coach, the New York jets and just like handed it over. There's a lot of history between the jets and Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and the Patriots, so. And he's won. Like there was no, it wasn't a rivalry. He just kicked our ass forever, right? So I, I hated this guy and he was this like football Darth Vader, like, right? Like nothing but football. So this is like when I tell you that from a football fan point of view, this might be the most shocking thing to ever happen. Like, I'm not exaggerating. Like, in no world did anybody ever predict that Bill Belichick would have a 24 year old girlfriend who's like a Disney princess villain running his life and like causing this scene. Like, I would have told you anything else is possible than this. So as a Jets fan, watching his legacy, you know, a little bit like fall apart is very satisfying as like a guy, as a man who. I'm like watching this dude who had this amazing sports life and now it's kind of being ruined by whatever this is. I'm like, what are you fucking doing? Yeah, it is. I can't even put into words how.

[Jax]

Insane do you feel bad for him? Him or you couldn't.

[KFC]

So you know what's funny? When I, my first thought was like, this is going to appear to be like old creepy man yes.

[Jax]

And it did, like, ruing young ladies.

[KFC]

I feel like it flips.

[Jax]

It's young lady elder abuse bandage of an old, sick man. Yeah.

[KFC]

Like, that I didn't see coming. Just because, you know, the way the world is and the way the optics would look, you think, oh, he's old man. Yeah. He's just buying and she has to sleep with him. Like, you have her classic stuff, but, yeah. You know, the good old, like, tried and true. Exactly. But then, like, there was one headline. I don't remember which one it was, but it was like, all of a sudden, it flipped to bill is trapped. And she's like.

[Jax]

It was the interview.

[KFC]

Yeah. That was really what, like, set it off. But she. She legit looks like Ursula when she becomes the human.

[Jax]

I actually watched that.

[KFC]

She steals the voice. She looks exactly like that. Kind of the big crazy eyes and the brunette and. And like. Like, I. I think this girl is nefarious. I think she is like. You know what I mean? This is just like a. You guys don't understand our love. It's like you're acquiring millions of dollars of real estate.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

You're CEO of a company that doesn't exist.

[Jax]

Right.

[KFC]

She did it before with another rich old guy. You know, and there was a moment where people were kind of treating her. Some people were like, she's like a girl boss. Like. And I was like, dude, she's 24. I'm. I don't. Like, maybe you're smart and successful, but you still don't know, like, anything about anything yet. And you' like, you know everything about football and media and all this. That it's like, relax, you know?

[Jax]

Yeah, I would agree with that question for you that we couldn't get to the bottom of on the show. Why is he coaching college football now at unc?

[KFC]

So he. He. He kind of, like, split from the Patriots in a very. He said, she said. Like, they say we fired you. He says, no, we left on, you know, whatever terms. So once, you know, he's. He's, like, dominated the. The pro level. He's won every super bowl there is to win. And I feel like it was kind of. It's almost like a. You're easing into retirement. You know what I mean? Like, college is a lot less pressure.

[Jax]

Like, you go up the mountain and then back down.

[KFC]

Yeah. And rather than just like, hiring all the way, like, I don't have anything in my life.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

It's. And Unc, it's not like he went to, like. Like, if you went to Alabama Alabama is like a really pressure packed, have to win every year. UNC is just thrilled to have a football legend coach.

[Jax]

There's only upside, right?

[KFC]

So I think they were like, sure, let's get Bill Belichick. Now all of a sudden it's like his 24 year old girlfriend is coaching the team and they're probably like, what the fuck is going on?

[Jax]

Oh my God. Well, is that like a normal thing for coaches to like then go coach college?

[KFC]

Oh, oh, that.

[Jax]

Not to have their girlfriends.

[KFC]

There's enough. There's a couple coaches that like go both ways. Like I dominated in college. Now I want to try my hand at the pros. Usually those guys go to the pros and like flame out. Because when you have grown men, they're making millions of dollars. They don't just like worship the ground you walk on. It's hard to coach, you know?

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Going the other direction is like I went from Tom Brady to like this 18 year old kid who just is gonna do whatever I say, you know?

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

So in that sense, I think it does make sense. But it, everything feels weird to me now. What once was just like, oh yeah, he's just gonna coach like a, it's.

[Jax]

Like a hobby, like.

[KFC]

Right. But now I'm like, was she involved in this?

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

You know, did you want to retire? But like she made you take a job or you needed something to stay in the media. I don't know. I just have like my tinfoil hat on with everything. Because this is so weird.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

That it felt strange to begin with. And now I'm like, there might be even more than what we see.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

His family is, they must be so pissed.

[Jax]

Like where are his kids?

[KFC]

There's. I think they, there's.

[Jax]

She locked them.

[KFC]

Daughter. His daughter in law spoke out like on an Instagram comment and was like, this is both. But like the actual. I don't think the actual Belichick kids have said anything. I heard that she ran into his ex wife and they had words.

[Jax]

I saw that.

[KFC]

I don't know. I go back and forth too though. I'm a very big fan of like let people live their life and do what they do.

[Jax]

Like a grown man. It doesn't seem like he has like cognitive issues.

[KFC]

If you want. He's making billions of dollars. You want to give a few million to this girl? I don't know. It seems weird, but if he's happy, she's happy. Everything's. As long as it's all consensual and safe. Like then leave Them alone. It looks weird. Weird. But not the first and not the last. But then there's a part of me that's like, I don't know, we gotta draw a line somewhere.

[Jax]

No, like, and we can say that it's like, it's weird. You know, we could just say that.

[KFC]

And also her, she keeps portraying herself as like this, I'm his, I'm not his girlfriend. I am his girlfriend, but I'm published.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

I would say, I would counter that with. Then you're doing a bad job.

[Jax]

Right.

[KFC]

Because all the talk if, if you were to analyze another celebrity with a PR person, it would be like, if everyone's talking about your PR person. And that's not good.

[Jax]

Right?

[KFC]

Talking about you and the job and.

[Jax]

No, that we have drama trending negative now. So.

[KFC]

So that's not good. Yeah.

[Jax]

You're not hitting the targets.

[KFC]

Right. So either you're bad at your job or you're kind of lying about your job. One or the other.

[Jax]

As far as her with an engagement ring, like whether or not they're engaged, if they get married, I don't think it really matters, like they're together. As long as they're together, they're together.

[KFC]

The initial report was she has told at least one person. I don't think Jordan Hudson is the type to do that quietly. I think if she gets the ring and they're getting married, it's gonna be a Justin Bieber post.

[Jax]

Yeah. Or maybe it's like she wants to be engaged to him, so she's like kind of putting it out into the world like, we're engaged. Here's a ring on my finger. So much to the point that like people are already think they're engaged and it's like, oh, so why don't, why.

[KFC]

Don'T we just do it? Yeah, he's like, whatever. He's gonna walk down the aisle in a cut off hoodie.

[Jax]

And what's with the holes in the shoes?

[KFC]

Shirt? That's just what he's always done. He's always been like a very, like, he literally wears hoodies with cut off sleeves and holes on the sideline. Doesn't do like social media or any of that stuff. That's why it's so crazy. When he's on Instagram doing like yoga poses on the beach, she's dressed like a mermaid. It's like I, I crazy. I can't even, I was trying to think of like a, of an analogy of like this would be like if Taylor Swift. I can't even think of Something. It's so unbelievably far fetched matched, but that's hysterical.

[Jax]

Okay, well, thank you for that context.

[KFC]

Yeah, you got it.

[Jax]

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[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

What are they called?

[KFC]

I know what you mean.

[Jax]

You know, like that commercial, Like, I think it was like an orbit commercial where it's like they just do that with worth. Yeah.

[KFC]

Who do you think is the first couple? Do you think Brangelina was the first one?

[Jax]

Oh, that's a good question. They were a month.

[KFC]

Not the first. They were the big. Yeah.

[Jax]

Yeah. That's always fun to have a couple names. Name. Yeah. So Jutes and now dudes, I guess. Demi and Lutes got married in a romantic wedding on Sunday as first reported by Vogue. So it was a Vogue wedding. Took place in Santa Barbara. Pictures in are in Vogue and also some aerial photos, paparazzi photos of the wedding. Very beautiful, very traditional, like, very.

[KFC]

Which I think celebrity. It was just kind of like standard.

[Jax]

Well, yes, it was like very like standard, like, girly getting married. But also, Demi has been very, very alternative for much of how we've known her.

[KFC]

Think that she would be like, like.

[Jax]

Rocker black wedding dress. Like, but no, she's, like, going all out. I, you know, in a chewy, like, fashion, which I love.

[KFC]

What do you. I, I feel like I, I can. I obviously get involved in all this gossip reality stuff. But where I kind of, like, check out is I don't like a wedding. Does not do it for me where I feel like the girls go, like, bonkers for, like, I want to see the dress, I want to see the flowers, I want to see the pictures, whatever.

[Jax]

Yeah. When I see someone else's wedding.

[KFC]

Yes.

[Jax]

So typically, I agree, like, I don't. I'm not like, looking really for more. I'm just like, okay, she's married woman now, and it's actually interesting, the style choice that she made just because she's been so unconventional for a very long time. So that's the interesting part here. In general, I'm not, like, picking apart people's weddings, but every once in a while, a wedding comes along that just changes the whole game.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

So I would say, like, the last wedding, and we kind of could relate on this would be Olivia CPO and Christian McAffrey. That's, like, the last great wedding because.

[KFC]

Of the, like, the look, the aesthetic.

[Jax]

Of it, or the aesthetic, the location, the celeb, the couple, the people who came. The two of them, they come from, like, both celebrities, but a little bit different worlds.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

And then her dress was weirdly controversial. Literally the most traditional, conservative dress you've ever saw. So, like, that. That one. Something like that I love. And then before that was, like, Sophia Richie Grange. Like, she. She set the bar high for a bride. So every once in a while, like, a wedding comes along that I'm like, my ears perk up. But typically, no, I'm not, like, gooped and gagged for someone else's wedding unless I happen to be engaged.

[KFC]

Yeah, right, Right. I just feel like it. It's a. There's a divide there with guys and girls.

[Jax]

Oh, for sure.

[KFC]

Like, you know what I mean? Like, I can get involved in a lot of the gossipy stuff, but there's never gonna be a world where, like, me and the guys are like, did you see Demi's dress?

[Jax]

Did you see Olivia Campo's wedding dress?

[KFC]

Right.

[Jax]

Well, actually, I think we have a question about that at Dear Toasters. I wanted to get your opinion because it has to do with a couple planning a wedding. But our fifth and final story, just some fun news, is that Alix Earle is joining Dancing with the Stars season 34. So the whole cast hasn't been announced yet, but Alix Earle is joining Robert Irwin, who is Steve Irwin's son. I believe he's on the cast. And she's on the cast. And we'll await who else is on it. But she's doing Dancing with the Stars, which I actually feel like is surprising.

[KFC]

I think it's a big get for Dancing with the Stars.

[Jax]

A big gaffer. Dancing with the Stars. And I feel like Dancing with the Stars is, like, one of those things a lot of people, like, look down their nose on it and would never do. And it's like a mark of, like.

[KFC]

Just bad has B level reality star type thing.

[Jax]

But I feel like there are people, myself included, who are like, if I get famous, I want to go on dance stars. Like, it's a dream.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

And I feel like for her it's like that. And I think for her doing, like, more traditional television is, like, what she wants to do. She just host presented at the AMAs last night. Night. So proud of us for getting through this episode without mentioning the ama. Like, seriously, so irrelevant. I actually turned on the beginning and thankfully I got distracted. And I could only watch JLo's opening performance.

[KFC]

Just kissing a bunch of people.

[Jax]

She's just kissing a bunch of people and, like, dancing her ass off. Like, for what? Like, why is she working so hard?

[KFC]

That was crazy. I. I didn't even. I guess I was like, Jennifer Lopez is like, that was.

[Jax]

It was crazy.

[KFC]

Stunning.

[Jax]

Hosting.

[KFC]

Yeah. Is she performing? They know she's hosting or why is she hosting? None of it makes sense.

[Jax]

In service of what, Like, I feel like it's to sell tickets for her, her next tour, her resident, whatever she has next, like, to show, like, JLO still got it. She can dance, she can sing. I got a message received, like, yeah, we know.

[KFC]

Like, understood. She's. She's a tough one. She's. She's got pr.

[Jax]

I know, I know, but I just feel like no one can tell her anything. No, if she wants to do something, she's gonna do it.

[KFC]

Yes, 100%.

[Jax]

So I do see, like, this trend with Alex Earl where, like, she's obviously conquered the Internet getting on tv. It's like, even though she's more interesting and has more influence than the whole network, like, it's a different beat.

[KFC]

It is funny. You always want, like, what you. You know what I mean? There are. If you're conquering traditional media, you're like, I would kill to be a tick tock star. And when you're TikTok star, you're like, let me go on Dance with the Stars.

[Jax]

Right?

[KFC]

I think Dancing with the Stars is like, I understand that because they. I think they went through a lull where there was probably a lot of, like, rejects or.

[Jax]

Yeah, like, has been.

[KFC]

Has been is a good word. But I also then think they around for, like, probably 35 seasons now, and it becomes a little bit of a nostalgia thing. And like, if you do get a couple big names, it's. It's still like an institution, you know? And I think. But I think this is a, like, Alex Earl does not need to do, like, anything she doesn't want to do. So she. That means she wants to do this and she's excited to do it, that's big for them.

[Jax]

I agree. And then also, when you think about it, like, you know, she'll be on ABC once a week, 8 o' clock. Like, that's going to open her up to more people that don't know the exact people who don't know her, which is not that many people at this point, but there.

[KFC]

But the people who don't. It's all, you know, it's going to get 10 million viewers or whatever. Like all 10 million are meeting Alix Earl. So, yeah, when you. When you've conquered, like, a whole sect of the. The world, basically, you got to go to these, like, alternative, you know, spots to get more, you know, another demo.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

And that's what I think is going on here. It's just almost backwards in a way, you know?

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Like, at some point, you know, you probably always want to be cutting edge and cool, but eventually you're like, if I've done all that, I gotta go get, like, the moms in the Midwest. Here I go Dancing with the Stars.

[Jax]

I think she'll be great. She went on GMA and was talking about how she danced in high school. She. She has, like a dance background. She's not dancing. Illiterate. But she's obviously not like, a professional. Which is also, like, an issue, though. It is. Because also, when you're a professional, people hate on you because it's like, what do you hear? You're meant to be an amateur.

[KFC]

Right. But if you're amateur, who's good? You're like, right on that line. Then you go, you advance, and if.

[Jax]

You have a lot of fans, you get the fan vote and then you get a decent score, and that's how you engage Dancing with the Stars.

[KFC]

This also makes me feel like she is trying to be like, maybe like a host of Good Morning America or something like that. Like, I want to be like a traditional.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

I'm not just going to be the Internet podcaster, especially. Like, I don't want the caller daddy, maybe, like, reputation, whatever.

[Jax]

Right, right.

[KFC]

It feels like I'm trying to be, like, in every home in America.

[Jax]

Right. And I think it's a good strategy. And we've said, like, her and her family, I feel like they're going to have a reality show and they're ripe for it. They'll be great for it.

[KFC]

So what ended up happening? Like, they was that, you know, rift with Alex and then she let her go. Right. Was that, like.

[Jax]

So I think from what I understand, no, definitely not amical. I think Licks L I X Earl wanted to leave the network. And then by the time they got around to making the arrangements where, like, she was leaving, then Unwell put out a statement. We've dropped her. And they said dropped like that. And that she's like the biggest show on the network, like, obviously wasn't dropped. So that's where I think it was, like, getting contentious. But if they had parted more amicably, maybe there would be like a way back to a friendship or whatever. But that was a burned bridge. And any whispers about it at the.

[KFC]

Barstool office, it was. There was like, Dave joked about hiring her because when Grace left Barstool, Alex signed her. So he made a, like an identical tick tock to what Alex made Alex Cooper made about signing Grace.

[Jax]

I think that, like, people, a lot of people missed the joking part of that.

[KFC]

Dude, I thought it was real.

[Jax]

I thought it was real too.

[KFC]

Even though there's no reason, like, Dave can do all this shit, you know?

[Jax]

No. And even though I probably. I think I saw the one that like, Alex made with Grace, it never. It didn't compute. Like, this just.

[KFC]

I mean, I texted him, being like, are you signing her? And he was like, I don't think anyone in the world can afford that girl. Like, she doesn't need to be on a network. But I definitely thought it was real.

[Jax]

I think I thought it was real too. Yeah, I forgot there's so much lore between Unwell and Barstool. I was just thinking about the call her daddy stuff, but then also the Grace stuff.

[KFC]

Yeah, I mean, the. So Alex came to. Alex Cooper came to the Barstool office like a year ago, and she was filming her documentary that I think is like on the verge of coming out. And it was very like, you know, Alex has gone on to become this, like, superstar, but never really like, she's been kind about Dave and Barstool, but it was not like she was like, I came from Barstool or, you know, Barstool Proud. Right. And when she came back in, it was like with the cameras and everything, it was very like, I'm home, I'm back. And I think a lot of people were like, you never even like, talk to me when you're here, you know? But I ended up. I don't know if it's gonna make it at all, but I did like it. They interviewed me for the documentary and they were. They were kind of going an angle, like, almost like a feminist angle where, like, it was hard for her to be like a girl at Barstool. Right. I was like, no. Like, not at all. Like, she clearly thrived. Like, nothing was hard. You know what I mean? And they were like, but. But it was different. And I, you know, they were hammering that. So I'm a little bit nervous if that comes out, like, how that's gonna, you know, appear. But. But that was.

[Jax]

Talk to the other women at Barstool.

[KFC]

No.

[Jax]

Like Fran and Maria.

[KFC]

No. I don't know if they were in there. I was gonna say, yeah, why don't you talk to me? Go talk to the girls, you know.

[Jax]

Like, and in addition to.

[KFC]

Right. But I. I was just more like, I. I didn't know. I never thought Alex was going to be. I don't think anybody did. Probably, aside from Alex. I think she was going to be, like, the level that she was at. And when she first came in, it was kind of like she was, you know, ruffling some feathers, and. And it was a little bit, like, dramatic. And I was like, I don't know if this is going to work. And, boy, was I wrong. It worked.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

So that was more what I was saying in my interview was like, even.

[Jax]

Before the show started. Like, before the show started to take off.

[KFC]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, early on, it was just like.

[Jax]

You know, like a raunchy sex podcast. Yeah.

[KFC]

And. Which is fine. Like, I mean, I kind of had one of those for a while, but, like, it was. It was more like she just came in and was like, I don't give a. And. And there was kind of a hierarchy, and she didn't give a. About that. And that's how you end up being, like, super successful.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

But at the time, it was kind of like, whoa, what's. What's going on here? And, like, I don't know, is this gonna work? Why aren't you, like, you know, they were very kind of separate, and it was just like, eventually it was like, oh, you're so successful. You can do that. That. But in the beginning, it was a.

[Jax]

Little like, but until you're so successful, you can't do that.

[KFC]

Yes, but. And it went quick. And, I mean, this is just like, jealousy and, you know, territories and, like, that where people.

[Jax]

Where. It's like, why aren't you guys. I remember watching their vlogs, and they would, like, not go into the office, and it was so funny. But I'm sure if you're working at bar, like, 9 to 5, it's like, wait, what about us?

[KFC]

Yeah, there was a lot of that, for sure. And it was kind of like, A hey, let's all be friends. Like, come on the show. And. And it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, talk totally.

[Jax]

Like, like getting in the culture. Like other people do that, but they didn't. They didn't. And they didn't have to. Did they ask about Sophia at all? Like, is she in this conversation at all when they. For the documentary or is she.

[KFC]

No, I. I don't think they. I think they're just pretending that never happened. Man, what a. What a bag fumble that was. Jesus.

[Jax]

That was the craziest time.

[KFC]

And the fact that it was all over that guy, the HBO boyfriend.

[Jax]

Suit man.

[KFC]

Suit man is unfortunately for, you know, two girls and specifically one girl, Alex, that were like, bucking the trend and like, you know, everything that was about, like, men and women dynamics, they threw out the window and there was. And then it all came down to a boyfriend. You know what I mean? At least for Sophia, where it was like, you're listening to this guy. You know what I mean? It was almost like, sad that it ended up resorting to that.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Like, she should have just been like this guy. Let's. You know what I mean? Like, let's just do it. Like me and you hash it out. But it was a guy.

[Jax]

Right, right, right, right. Between the two of them. Not about the negotiations in general. Cuz like, they had a case. Like, their show is like the biggest. Like, it was just an anomaly. That.

[KFC]

That is the internal push pull is like.

[Jax]

Right. Like you get all this and. But you're giving up this and you just have to like, wait out.

[KFC]

Really, it works like, it's kind of 50 50. And you know, if you're like Dave and Barstool, you'll always come claim we were the reason you blew up. And if you're Alex and Sophia, you would be like, well, without us, there'd be nothing to blow up.

[Jax]

Right.

[KFC]

But it's like, it's just the perfect when it hits. It really is, you know.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Like, and then you outgrow it and you move on. But.

[Jax]

Right. But you have to like.

[KFC]

Yes.

[Jax]

How do you feel when, like, athletes want to renegotiate their contracts before that they're up and they want more money if they're playing?

[KFC]

Well, that's kind of the. The same thing where it's the same.

[Jax]

But do you think that they should wait or that they should get more money in the middle?

[KFC]

It really depends on, like, you. You run the risk of like, injury. And if you're really, really good and you're healthy and you're like I would just bide my time and then when I'm a free agent, like sign the most money I can. What usually happens is if you sign early, you give up some years later. So it's like right Now I'm making $500,000 a year. I could sign a contract where I make $4 million a year. That's great. But that 4 million is also going to run into a few years where I could be making like 35.

[Jax]

Right. So you think they should wait? You think it's better for them to wait but say there's someone who doesn't want to wait. Like what do you think management should do?

[KFC]

I think it's always good to keep good talent and, and lock them up.

[Jax]

If you can, like call her daddy.

[KFC]

Yeah. Well, you know what, but what's very interesting with caller daddy and pretty much every show at Barstool because we've done a couple like in house ones, we've done some like celebrities who kind of come in as like mercenaries. You reach of a bunch point where no matter how big you are, you can't justify like certain salaries.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

You know, and especially for, for like when we were owned by Penn Entertainment was like a casino conglomerate. They were in growth mode. They were like, we don't care about necessarily turning a profit. We just want to be bigger, more talent, more whatever. If that's the case, then like let's. Now Dave owns the company again. It's like his money, it's his bottom line. And it's like you, you are a monster. But if I pay you $10 million a year, there's not enough ad reads and sponsorships and shit to make that money back.

[Jax]

Right.

[KFC]

Just impossible.

[Jax]

It's just math.

[KFC]

And you might be a loss leader and it might help the business other here, but eventually it reaches a point where it's like go because we'll try to find the next one of you.

[Jax]

Yeah, yeah.

[KFC]

Which is not easy. But we've done.

[Jax]

Yeah, you guys have done a great job. Big fan.

[KFC]

Thanks. I. I'm very. The toast is one of the shows that really is always in like every, every girl I ever speak to is always like, you know, it's, it's. We have a pretty. My show specifically I would say is probably. I think everybody thinks Barstool is all men, you know.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

And I think our show is probably like 60, 40, like 65. 35. Like we have a lot of females so that there's a lot of overlap because when we see them at live shows or we like, interact with them. It's always. I'm like, who else do you guys listen to? And, like. And it's like, without a doubt, 100. The toaster.

[Jax]

The elk of toasters. No, I totally agree. That's. I think, like, everyone on earth is gonna love this episode. Wouldn't.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

Especially because we're doing Dear Toasters. So Dear Toasters is our weekly advice segment. And if we ever skip it, like, seriously, people riot in the streets because they live for Dear Toasters. So I tried to pick some that we could really use the male perspective on. And let's get into them. Sure. First up, I've been dating my P. John boyfriend. That means precious gem of a man. So when they say P. John boyfriend.

[KFC]

Is that a toast thing?

[Jax]

That's a toast thing. And just know that, like, he's in a great guy, like, mensch. And just, like, the relationship might be worth saving because otherwise. Good guy. But obviously there's a problem if she's writing him. For four years, they've been dating, and we've been long distance for the past two. We are about to move across the country and live together for the first time. I love him a lot, and there have been zero red flags to date. That is, until last weekend while visiting him, I needed to borrow some socks. And as I was reaching for a pair, I instead grabbed my own worn undies. I immediately pulled them out and saw there were several more packets. Hairs. Should I confront him about this? What should I say? Sincerely, a toaster who has been looking for her favorite pair of seamless skins for months. And this episode is brought to you by skins, which is hysterical.

[KFC]

That is funny.

[Jax]

So he's been, like, stealing her undies. What do you do?

[KFC]

These are the things that, when you start to cohabitate, you find some weird about people. Right. I suppose we got to go a step further and be like, what are you doing with set underwater?

[Jax]

Right. It might be something that he's into. And it's always on the one hand, like, it's theft. Like, you're taking my undies. They're, like, nice, pricey undies. At least take, like, the ones with holes. And on the other hand, like, it's the secrecy, because, like, if this is your partner for four years, even if they're into something that's, like, a little off the beaten path, like, you should know about that.

[KFC]

Yeah. But I also think that. I think you can be in, like, a. A good, healthy relationship and still be.

[Jax]

Have, like, secrets, private things, not secrets. Makes it sound bad.

[KFC]

I'm a little nervous to tell you about this or like it's kink or something that I'm like a little bit ashamed of or embarrassed about. And it's, it's still hard for people to say those things.

[Jax]

Even if you think that they should. Like, the goal is that they share those things. It might take time.

[KFC]

Yeah. Well, if it involves other people's belongings and their intimate underwear, then think it's.

[Jax]

A function of the long distance relationship. Like, maybe this was how he was feeling close to you, like in separation.

[KFC]

They, they have moved in or they are about to.

[Jax]

To move in together again after two years of doing long distance.

[KFC]

Got it. So she was there though. And. And so he's been like swiping these while they visiting.

[Jax]

Yeah. Yeah.

[KFC]

I mean, that could be it.

[Jax]

Right. And the problem solves itself when you move in together. But now do you want to move in with a panty snatcher?

[KFC]

Yeah. And also, do you want to start off on like a lie or a secret or whatever? You know what I mean?

[Jax]

Yeah. And the big question is, like, do you talk to him about, like, you mentioned, I saw it.

[KFC]

And these are all things that you should, you should be very honest and you should. He should tell her I have like a fetish or whatever and this is what I'm doing. She should be like, hey, I, I found these. But these are all hard things to do when, you know, you're a little bit afraid of like, confrontation or whatever it may be. I think this is one that, like, maybe you like, leave it at. Out on top of the dresser and he kind of gets the point of.

[Jax]

Like, oh, she saw. Yeah, it's on me. And that he. Something.

[KFC]

Yes.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Yes. Or I don't know. I mean, the. I think probably the absolute best thing in this spot is to confront him in a very, like, understanding way.

[Jax]

Gentleman.

[KFC]

Yeah. Which is probably a little bit hard when you want to be like, what the are you doing with my underwear? But if you're just like, hey, I noticed this thing. Thing, it's a, it's a little bit unconventional, but like, if this is something you're into or you did it to connect with me or whatever, I mean, that is probably a super hard thing to do, but I would.

[Jax]

It is a hard thing to do.

[KFC]

I'm just thinking if, if I had some like, dark, not dark, but just like deep, like secret kink, fetish, something.

[Jax]

Like that, you wouldn't want someone to approach you with it, like hostility.

[KFC]

And if, but. And if someone approached me with it in like a understanding way. Like, if, if she, if she said something like, hey, do you want me to. Me to like, do you want me to like, give you a pair every week? I don't know what it would be, but if it was something like that and I would be like, oh, my God, you, like, you're down or like, you're. You're cool.

[Jax]

Right?

[KFC]

I would probably be like, now I'm even more in love with you.

[Jax]

Right, right. But like, what about. What if she's not down and she's not cool?

[KFC]

Yeah. Then, then we probably run into.

[Jax]

Maybe there's compromise. Maybe it's like, okay, maybe not dirty on these, but like clean undies.

[KFC]

Yeah. It's like, we're gonna have to buy a whole lot more underwear, bro. These will be like the donated pairs. These are the ones I actually.

[Jax]

How about next time I clean out my closet? Like, you have the one that I was.

[KFC]

When it's spring cleaning, we're switching seasons for my. Because there's probably some world where she was like, you know, I got to go to a wedding. I need to wear this like, form fitting dress. I need like this. Where the fuck is this one? Underwear.

[Jax]

He's selling the skims. So, like, that is maddening. If you're looking for the ones that won't have panty lines, right.

[KFC]

I got to go get new ones. Promo code toast or whatever. I don't know.

[Jax]

He's kind of gaslighting her, you know, like, looking for. No, I'm kidding. I. I don't use that.

[KFC]

Gaslighting.

[Jax]

I don't use that word in earnest.

[KFC]

That word has gotten so.

[Jax]

It needs spiral. Out of control. Banned from the human language. What did people say before that you were tricking me.

[KFC]

Tricking me like a motherfucker tricking me.

[Jax]

Oh, my God. True.

[KFC]

It really is nothing worse than like an actual gaslighting. So when people throw it around for like, no, we just disagree on a topic or whatever, you know what I mean? Like you got caught doing something. Whatever it may be for the people who are actually being gaslit, they're probably.

[Jax]

Probably like they're feeling gaslit by the face.

[KFC]

Gaslighting is gaslighting me, right?

[Jax]

Yeah, but.

[KFC]

Yeah, that's a tough one. I would say that any, like, I'm. I'm assuming there's some sort of sexual thing behind this, you know?

[Jax]

Yes.

[KFC]

And that's always a little embarrassing. But if you're going to really be.

[Jax]

Together forever, I'm hoping it's a sexual thing behind this and not A. I.

[KFC]

Don'T know what else it would be.

[Jax]

Like.

[KFC]

The long distance thing does add in at a wrinkle where.

[Jax]

Yeah, it adds a. Like, some plausible.

[KFC]

Like, what are you, like, sleeping with a minute night? Like, get a scent. I don't know. It's weird. What do you think about long distance?

[Jax]

I don't have strong opinions on it. I think it depends, like, how old. Like, what stage in your life can you afford to. I feel like everything takes four times as long. Long distance. Do you have that sort of time or not?

[KFC]

I feel like it's not traditional, but if you're on, like, the same page, it can probably be really, like, you have. You both have your careers, you both have your free time. It's almost like kind of the extreme other end. But I feel like sometimes when people live together together, they lose their. Their individuality and all that stuff.

[Jax]

It's nice to, like, miss each other, but I do. It's not entirely real life all the time. Like, you don't know what it's like to be with this person all the time and, like, hit that threshold of, like, okay, now I hate you. And, like, how am I gonna work through that?

[KFC]

It's like, I. I ran around calling you a pcom, and now it turns out you steal my underwear.

[Jax]

Right? Like, I feel like when you're with someone for three days, it's always only good. You're not gonna have a fight. But, like, you do need to have a fight at some point and, like, see how you guys get through that.

[KFC]

I agree. But, like, do you.

[Jax]

Wells are like. And I think that's.

[KFC]

If you want to have kids, you want to, like, be around all the time. But if there's a world where it's like, like, let's have three every three, like, these three days that are awesome, and then where everyone else starts fighting, we, like, go to our separate corners and, you know, country.

[Jax]

Well. Two things. One, I feel like if you are a person with, like, go. Like, you have dreams for your life. Like, you guys need to have a plan. Like, there's an end in sight. Okay. In two years, he gets this promotion. He can move back here, or I'm gonna leave my job and move there. And that's when I want to have a. Like, you need to, like, have an end in sight. It can't just, like, go forever. Like.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

But then it also reminds me a lot of Paige and Craig. I feel like they had exactly what you just described. It's like, three perfect days, four hustle days, only Ever like each other. We're traveling so much. He's coming to New York, and it's in a fun way, like. And he likes coming here. She doesn't like going there. Oops.

[KFC]

Like, theoretically, if you didn't want to have kids and a family and you both had careers, you could do that forever.

[Jax]

Yeah. Yeah.

[KFC]

Not traditional, but it's like.

[Jax]

But if. If both of you don't want to have families.

[KFC]

Yes. It can't be like, one is secretly wishing for that, which is kind of, I think, what happened with.

[Jax]

Right.

[KFC]

I'm a big Paige to Sorbo fan.

[Jax]

Yeah. What about Craig? Don't say a bad word to me.

[KFC]

I don't know him as much Southern charm. I've seen it. But I know you're not in. Yeah. So they. They definitely are painting him away on.

[Jax]

Bravo, on Summer House, Summerhouse.

[KFC]

That looks shitty. I've seen, like. I've seen Andy Cohen, like, interviews with him where he kind of like, she said this and did that. I'm like, oh, there's a little more one or two sides to it.

[Jax]

Yeah. I really. Not to be annoying. I really see both sides of how this went south. Like, I see it from her side and I see it from his side. And it's just, to me, sad.

[KFC]

I was gonna say, but that's also. That's a couple. I remember saying when I was watching, I was like, you guys are just not meant to be together.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Or at least not right now. But whatever it is. Like, sometimes your career blew up. You Maybe you're insecure, whatever is going on with him, but, like, just not gonna work out. Not meant to be.

[Jax]

No. And, like, especially when you're wanting different things at this current junction, like, he's ready to be done with.

[KFC]

This kid's like, tomorrow. And she's like, I just started my tour.

[Jax]

Like, yeah, no, it's not happening anytime soon. And, like, so for that reason, I do.

[KFC]

Which is tough, though, when you break up for, like, not, like, it's not like we fell out of love attracted or whatever. It's just like a business thing. And then that business probably will change. And then it's like, I don't know. It's hard to get with a new person when it's like, I know that you broke up with your last person.

[Jax]

Really out of circumstances, not out of lack of love. But I do think now they hate each other.

[KFC]

Yes. Now seems like that's. There's no love lost. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jax]

They're not pining over one another. So people can move on. Oh, yeah. And he already has, like, a. A girlfriend, I think, new bitty, which is. I mean, that's what he wants. Like, he literally just wants partnership.

[KFC]

I was gonna say he's probably gonna find a, Like, a Southern girl who does want kids and, like. Yeah, then you're good to go, right?

[Jax]

Yeah. But, yeah, that definitely reminds me of that. Our last. Is this the last? Oh, no, that was only one. Oh, my God, we're moving so slow. Like, this is the world's longest episode. Next. Hi. Jax and Turt cross out kfc. So my fiance is driving me nuts with wedding planning. When we started the whole thing, I asked how involved he wanted to be, and he said he knows I'll do a great job and he trusts me, which is, like, the normal thing to say. But every time I tell him a plan that's been made for some of the wall options. Oh, but every time I tell him a plan that's been made, he has some off the wall opinions. He is a sweet man who is just excited for our wedding. But how the heck do I shut down these cringy suggestions without making him feel like I don't care about what he wants? P S. I love you both.

[KFC]

That's tough because I feel like there's probably a world where there's a lot of girls who would almost wish that their partner was, like, as involved as this guy wants to be. But it's like, only if you have good opinions and good taste.

[Jax]

Yeah. I don't even know who would wish their partner.

[KFC]

Really.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

You want it?

[Jax]

Yeah. You want, like, free reign? Because unless if they're gonna agree with you, like, thanks. Point. Like, I was gonna do it anyway. And if they're just gonna disagree with you, like, it's just more conflicted. Weddings are already, like, so full of conflict.

[KFC]

Not think that the guy should.

[Jax]

I think if you have a strong opinion about a couple things. Like, I remember in my wedding, my husband had a couple strong opinions about some of the things that, like, he wanted. And it's like, okay, let's definitely do those because, like, sure, why not? You want fireworks in our first dance or, like, sparklers or whatever. Cool. Like, it's not important to me, but, like, it's not a deal break. Yeah. So, like, I think every guy should get, like, the couple things, but I don't think guys should have that many things. Like, why do they. Why would a guy care so much about specific things?

[KFC]

I mean, I'm with you, but, like.

[Jax]

If you do, it also comes down to money.

[KFC]

I was going to say, who's paying?

[Jax]

Who's cutting the check?

[KFC]

You know, I think it's probably best. I think the best of both worlds. I mean, listen, if you are a guy who's into that stuff, I think you have a right to be involved, but you probably should know that about, like, somebody.

[Jax]

Yeah. And also the worst is when people are. Act like, I don't care, babe. Do whatever, my princess. And then they come in, they're like, oh, I don't like this, that, this and that. And it's like, well, am I your princess?

[KFC]

But I also think there's probably a lot of times when guys, like, go nuts and they don't realize what nuts. And I think wedding culture has gotten, like, insane.

[Jax]

I agree.

[KFC]

So I think wedding. And it's like, I think there's a.

[Jax]

Lot of guys who have such a perpetual. Like, I had a big wedding, sure. It gets carried away. They. It's the industry. They make you get carried.

[KFC]

I mean, they literally just added zero to everything.

[Jax]

Every girl who gets engaged is like, I want to have a small wedding. Like, I would elope. I really don't care about my wedding. Like, winds up having a huge wedding. There's no getting out of it.

[KFC]

Make you feel like, you know, you're cheap or having a shitty wedding if you don't. And, like, it just spot, you know, I have to keep up with the Joneses. And then we're all just. Yeah, now we're all having showers and weddings and events that. That were like, this is crazy. But how did this happen?

[Jax]

How did this happen? It's like, okay, no whiff. I'm having a wedding. Like, I do need flowers on the table.

[KFC]

So that's where I don't think a guy even understands until they go through it. When you're like, do whatever you want for the invitations. And they're like, the invitations are how much?

[Jax]

Right.

[KFC]

Like, well, I didn't know that.

[Jax]

Well, do you think whatever flowers you want.

[KFC]

I didn't know it was gonna be $10,000 with the flowers.

[Jax]

Like, do you think it's just about money or, like, do whatever you want with the invitations? And she designs an invitation that he has critiques on.

[KFC]

I think it's pretty rare for guy, like, really cares. I think it's more. It's money. Maybe, like, perception of how, like, if you don't want to have a big wedding and all of a sudden you're having a big one, you kind of feel like, I don't know, a little gaudy or whatever.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

I. It's pretty rare that a guy would be like that. Calligraphy is not right or whatever, you know.

[Jax]

Yeah. Yeah. That.

[KFC]

I think it needs to be like a. You go nuts. And I have like five things I want this food, this drink.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Band or dj. Like those things are big deal.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

And the rest is like you should just let her do her thing.

[Jax]

Yeah. You won't even notice that a budget.

[KFC]

So the money's not. You know what I mean?

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

And go nuts.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

Also, but if you're. If the girl's paying right. Then you should up.

[Jax]

But even people who have unlimited budget like still fight about their weddings. Like look at Brooklyn and Nicola and their families.

[KFC]

Who's that?

[Jax]

The Beckhams. Oh, Peltz Beckham. The biggest wedding. And like the whole families were fighting the whole time. So it's not just about money.

[KFC]

I was going to say. It's. Yeah. Money doesn't cure like family in law dynamics and all that sort of shit.

[Jax]

No, it's. It's really.

[KFC]

I just.

[Jax]

It's a very difficult process.

[KFC]

It really. But it's so silly because it's just a big party and it causes money stress and family stress. And it's like if it doesn't go smoothly, it's like, boy, we're getting off on the wrong foot here. Starting this marriage off in a bad spot.

[Jax]

Do you want to get married again? Is that too. You do?

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

That's nice. Were you involved in your wedding planning when you got married? Yeah. Do you have any like what were you precious about?

[KFC]

I wanted a band. I like a band. As far as like the decorations and stuff like that didn't bother me at all. I just wanted to be like a good party. So like good music, open drinks, all that sort of stuff. But like as far as the. The look and the decorations and all that, it was like all good.

[Jax]

But yeah. I feel like, you know, like that's.

[KFC]

Money and inviting families. It did. You know, it was very stressful. It was like more stressful than I wanted it to be. You know.

[Jax]

I think it's really stressful for everyone. And then I also think people are like, is this too. Is it really bad? Like are we in a bad spot? Well, you know, I feel like people need to normalize the fact that like it's a miserable experience if you're having a hard time.

[KFC]

Crazy. No hear yourself. Let's normalize this thing that totally fudgeing sucks.

[Jax]

Normalize. Not that it's like it would be nice if it Went well. But like, if you're having a miserable experience, like, just know you're not alone and like you're not.

[KFC]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jax]

You're not like the exception. Like most people are having that.

[KFC]

Right. I do think you also run into. At least I did like once the. The glitz and glamorous worn off a little bit and you're now like, we need to buy a house. And it's like, boy, I wish we had that. Like $120,000 have to buy a house. Yeah. It's like we could just have the house, but we had a one night party that was a little bit. You know, that's a tough one to swallow.

[Jax]

Someone needs to do something about. About it. Like we all their foot down, just.

[KFC]

Band together and be like, we're not paying. Yeah.

[Jax]

We're not gone.

[KFC]

It's also so regional too though. Like, I feel like the northeast is like. Like when I hear about bars, weddings that aren't open. Bar, like what?

[Jax]

That's.

[KFC]

But there are, you know, you go like down south, they're like, yeah, what you pay for your drinks? What are you talking about? It's like. Or yeah, like you don't have like centerpieces and flowers and all that. It's like.

[Jax]

So you think we're crazier here?

[KFC]

Oh my God, yes. And like gifts and like, like you go to other places in the country, you get like, like a physical toaster. Yeah, give me money because I gotta pay for this thing.

[Jax]

Also it's hard like in the city because you get a room. Right. And now you have to outfit. You have nothing to work with. Like, you have to do everything.

[KFC]

Chairs, the covers, the.

[Jax]

When there's better weather, you're on the. In California, like you have the surroundings to work with. A lot of places here, like, you don't have surroundings. Especially if you're getting married. Like in the winter, like we're just in a room.

[KFC]

Right.

[Jax]

And now you got to dress it up.

[KFC]

It is such a process, man.

[Jax]

It's.

[KFC]

It's not easy. But you're right, you're not alone if you're out there doing it.

[Jax]

So. Yeah. Okay, last one. And then like we have to get on with our lives, I guess. Like we have to end this episode at some point. Hi, Jackson, KFC. I'm 26 weeks pregnant. Mazel to. And my husband, who is usually a P, has been less romantic and loving towards me. I asked him about it and he said he feels weird being intimate while thinking of our baby in my stomach. And also that Some of my pregnancy symptoms, like being gassy, achy, et cetera, are, quote, unattractive. He said that he, quote, unattractive. Obviously, I am very hurt, as if being pregnant hasn't made me feel unattractive enough as it is. How can I possibly forgive him and move past this? Thank you for your help and daily laughs.

[KFC]

Damn, that's a tough one.

[Jax]

I know, but remember, he's a P job.

[KFC]

This is where, like, I, I, I think, you know, honesty is the best policy and communication is everything. Especially having, like, you know, been divorced. I'm like, I, you know, could have done better in that department and, and it would have been, you know, more successful. But there are some things, little white lies you got. You can't be telling her you're unattractive.

[Jax]

No, that's really so crazy.

[KFC]

It's like, and also, listen, there's some, there's some level of. We all know that, like, as a, as a woman, you're not feeling your sexiest, your best. You know, it, you know, it's not attracted to be bloated and gassy. We just don't need to say it. You know, it's like we all say you're glowing for a reason because we got, like, we all got to get through this.

[Jax]

But it makes you wonder what kind of person would say this. Yeah, an incredibly stupid person, an incredibly mean person. You do say he's a P job, so I'm going to go stupid.

[KFC]

Yeah. Well, it's almost like the Bieber thing. It's like you just put your foot in your fucking mouth.

[Jax]

Yeah.

[KFC]

An idiot. It sounds like there might be some deeper attraction issues, though. Like, I wonder what their sex life was previously.

[Jax]

Like, what can you do now? Like, she's.

[KFC]

That is a hot. And you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. Like.

[Jax]

No. And so we, we're going to work through it and we're gonna, we're gonna. If it were me, like, the girly advice that we would give, and what Claudia and I would give is like, he needs to be reamed a new asshole.

[KFC]

Yeah.

[Jax]

He's understand why he's probably gonna have.

[KFC]

To just, like, grovel for the next lifetime doghouse. By the way, it's also, like, tough as a guy when it's like you're bloated and gassy and big. It's like, that's all us all the time. It's like we're hairy out of shape, fat, bloated, gassy forever. That's what you sign up for and they deal with that all the time.

[Jax]

Like, this is temporary. What's your.

[KFC]

Yeah, I will be hot soon. You will never be hot, bro.

[Jax]

I think get mean, get mean.

[KFC]

Like just treat him like, yeah, yeah.

[Jax]

Just like, seriously, just this is why.

[KFC]

It might be over. No, I just need to.

[Jax]

There's a big split up. A co parent now to find harmony with where I'm. I want to find harmony.

[KFC]

That's probably one of those things. It's like for the rest of your life she will just drop comments like, remember that time when I was pregnant and you said that I was unattractive? And you have to like, but you.

[Jax]

Know what else isn't good? Not to give this guy any credit, but when like a man is treating you differently because he feels some sort of way and you're like, you feel like you can feel that he's like being distant and like doesn't want to be lovey with you and it's like they won't say what's bothering them now. He should have come up with something better. And also he shouldn't be feeling that way way. He should find you carrying his child to be the most beautiful thing in the world. But at least he's not gaslighting you into think thinking it's in your head. Yeah.

[KFC]

I mean there is like some level of I, you girls always want, everybody always wants honesty. Right. It's like, here it is. That's why I said like, you got to have some little white lies. But it's like, but I only think.

[Jax]

A twisted individual wouldn't find his pregnant wife just so beautiful.

[KFC]

Yeah. But there's also a difference between like, I, you know, I, I, I love that what you're doing for our family versus like, like traditionally what's like sexy and hot in the moment is not really.

[Jax]

I just think they get involved. Mature man. Like, that is sexy.

[KFC]

That's you. Yeah, real convincing.

[Jax]

You're beautiful. Just tell them to off listen to the toast and like just doghouse like I don't know what to tell you. That's really, that's unfortunate. That would make me really upset.

[KFC]

Honestly, that's a hard one to get through. That's probably going to be a lot, lot of like forgiveness.

[Jax]

And you're allowed to be upset though. Like, you don't have to get over it.

[KFC]

Yeah. That's not gonna just be like, that's my advice. Right.

[Jax]

Just be mad. Get mad and get even.

[KFC]

Really? Yeah. Really good. Like, you guys are off to a hot start with parenting. Yeah.

[Jax]

Oh my God, no, stop. It's gonna be great. You're gonna be an amazing mom. And he'll learn. They're slow, but men, that's.

[KFC]

I, you do have to give a little bit of grace. This one's particularly bad, but like where I would say most times it's coming from a place of dumb and not malicious, like 99 time and, and even more dumb than you can realize because it's like, like it's really rare that a guy is like gonna think through like all of the ramifications for what he's gonna say or do or it's like, I don't know, in the moment I was just trying to be honest or I was just trying to make you happy or whatever it is. And, and there's just not that second, third, fourth, fifth step of thinking.

[Jax]

Thinking like I agree with you. So I hope that makes you feel better. He's not mean, he's just dumb. Thank you so much. Kfc, where can everyone follow you? Listen to their, your show. If they want more kfc. If they want more espresso martinis. Yes, everything.

[KFC]

I'm on everything. Kfc barstool. Actually, I just changed TikTok to Kevin Doclancy. But KFC barstool in general is everything. KFC radio is the podcast that's every Tuesday and Thursday. I do my series on Instagram called One Minute man, which is, is just like short form updates of all pop culture and, and like current events. And then Midnight Bean is the espresso martini which will be available in all liquor stores, distributors, grocery stores, restaurants. It's just a matter of. We're, we're kind of in that roll out phase. So a lot of people have been like, I've been looking for it and haven't found it. That doesn't mean it's not going to be there. It's just apparently in America it takes a long time to get liquor into.

[Jax]

All these places, so it does.

[KFC]

And it's all state by state and regional and there's a lot of politics and laws. Yeah, states rights. That's right.

[Jax]

Well, thank you so so much for giving us an hour and a half long episode. We love you guys very much. We will see you tomorrow. I have such a special guest already done and dusted in the books and I hope everyone has a great day. We love ya. Bye.