Guess I'll Start Being Me: Wednesday, April 22nd, 2026

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The Toast – Episode Summary

Episode Title: “Guess I'll Start Being Me: Wednesday, April 22nd, 2026”
Podcast: The Toast (Dear Media)
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Release Date: April 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Toast dives into the aftermath of the much-hyped Summer House episode that aired the previous night, explores Love Island and reality TV spinoffs, updates on ongoing reality TV news, discusses Kendall Jenner and Jacob Elordi’s rumored romance, reflects on celebrity college experiences, and unpacks the controversy around Reese Witherspoon’s comments about AI. Hosts Jackie and Claudia blend humor, candor, and plenty of reality TV expertise as they break down the Fast 5 stories you need to know.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Summer House Recap & Emotional Fallout

(Starts ~00:53, Deep Dive 18:25)

• The hosts unpack the much-anticipated Summer House episode and its not-so-explosive impact, despite huge hype from Andy Cohen.
• Sierra and West’s Relationship:
  • Sierra continues to struggle with her feelings for West. Despite attempts at closure, emotions run high, culminating in a tearful conversation between the two.
  • Quote (Dani, 19:20): “She says, ‘I really wish I hated you. Like, it just would make my life so much easier.’ But she doesn’t. And he did this really bad, like, thing, and he really hurt her, and she doesn’t know how to move on.”
• Amanda’s Role:
  • Amanda’s intermediation between Sierra and West is criticized as more damaging, especially since she facilitates West's apology, serving as a third wheel and creating additional drama.
  • Quote (Caroline, 01:37): “And the fact that Amanda is the middleman… She’s the one telling him to apologize. And that is what’s so crazy.”
• Reflection on Andy Cohen’s Hype:
  • The hosts express disappointment that the episode didn’t live up to the dramatic buildup, positing that Amanda's weirdness may have been the true “shock.”
  • Kristen Cavallari’s presence on Watch What Happens Live is also discussed, with recognition of her charisma but acknowledgment that she was underserved by the question lineup.
  • Quote (Dani, 23:33): “I think Annie hates Kristen Cavallari. I just got that vibe.”

2. Reality TV Spin-offs & Fandom

(Love Island – Starts 03:01, Ongoing)

• Beyond the Villa / Love Island Spin-off:
  • Both hosts share bafflement at why, despite strong premise and popular personalities, Beyond the Villa (the Love Island spin-off) struggles to hold viewers’ attention.
  • The shelf life of reality stars is noted to be brief; the delay in airing the show makes audiences lose interest in former favorites.
  • Quote (Dani, 05:24): “Their star drops so quickly...seven months later, we really don’t care.”
• Nickelandria Skepticism:
  • The “Nickelandria” phenomenon (Nick and Alandria’s couple branding from Love Island) is dismissed as a fake relationship benefitting Alandria’s career far more than Nick’s.
  • Quote (Dani, 06:58): “I’ll feel good knowing I never bought into it, and I wasn’t afraid to speak my truth either.”
  • Both hosts champion Alandria’s post-show elevation and urge her to move on publicly for further personal and professional growth.

3. Jesse Solomon & Summer House Realities

• Jesse’s Emotional State:
  • Discussion of Jesse Solomon’s vulnerable interview on Watch What Happens Live; he appears “defeated” and beaten down by negative fan response and consistent online teasing.
  • Quote (Dani, 25:10): “He was so defeated… I think he’s getting a lot of hate just for him as a person… It was kind of sad.”
• Production Manipulation:
  • The hosts reflect on the unseen realities of reality TV, citing how cast members’ reputations often suffer post-show.
  • Quote (Caroline, 27:30): “It was one of those moments where I’m like…people shouldn’t do reality TV. Like, it really ruins your life.”

4. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives & Reality TV News

(35:23–39:41)

• Production resumes on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives without Taylor Frankie Paul and Dakota, despite ambiguous statements from Taylor herself.
• Rumors swirl (via Twitter/TikTok) that Hulu might still air Taylor’s Bachelorette season, though both hosts are skeptical due to the prior high-profile cancellation.
• Reflective commentary: The charm of earlier seasons was the “simple drama” (brand deals, group squabbles) before heavier controversies set in.
• Both agree that Taylor might be better off taking a step out of the limelight to focus on personal healing.

5. Hollywood Gossip: Kendall Jenner & Jacob Elordi

(39:48 on)

• The hosts report on new rumors that Kendall Jenner and Jacob Elordi have been dating for months, partially thanks to Kylie Jenner’s matchmaking.
• Both are skeptical but open. This relationship seems part of the “young Hollywood circle jerk,” referencing the small, insular pool of celebrities repeatedly pairing off.
• Quote (Dani, 41:28): “I feel like they both position themselves as the actor of their generation, you know—the Brad Pitt…”

6. Celebrity College Memories / Carrie Diaries

(43:19 on)

• The conversation shifts into nostalgia as the hosts reminisce about The Carrie Diaries and celebrity sightings at NYU. Caroline shares attending NYU with AnnaSophia Robb, the Sprouse twins, and others, affirming the unique celebrity-student dynamic in New York.

7. The Devil Wears Prada Cameos & Sequel Concerns

(51:28 on)

• Sydney Sweeney’s cameo was cut from the new Devil Wears Prada movie, as were other unexpected cameos, raising red flags for the hosts about the sequel’s direction.
• Skepticism abounds about the film’s realism and plot choices, especially the rumored “Andy with a roommate” storyline, given her career trajectory.
• Quote (Dani, 53:43): “My premise to the movie [would have been] so much better…she became a huge features writer…got tasked with profiling Miranda.”

8. Reese Witherspoon’s AI Controversy

(55:42–60:32)

• The hosts discuss backlash against Reese Witherspoon for championing AI and encouraging women to educate themselves on advances in the field.
• They feel the outrage is overblown and mostly rooted in general anxieties about automation and loss of creative jobs.
• Reese’s subsequent clarification—she wasn’t paid, cares about local communities, and is simply looking out for women—is lampooned for its excessively earnest tone.
• Quote (Dani, 59:39): “I wish she wouldn’t have even responded…you’re indulging behavior of people who…are intent on misunderstanding…”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Summer House Apology Dramas:
  • “Say with your chest why you did what you did—and that you keep doing it.” (Caroline, 10:07)
• On Love Island’s Diminished Buzz:
  • “Now you literally can't pay people to watch Beyond the Villa.” (Caroline, 04:43)
• On Reality Fame:
  • “People shouldn’t do reality TV…it really ruins your life. Like, you think it’s amazing…[but] it’s not all it’s cracked up to be.” (Caroline, 27:30)
• On Reese Witherspoon’s AI Views:
  • “I just wish she didn’t [respond] because…you’re indulging behavior of people who are forcing backlash.” (Dani, 59:39)
• On How to Play the Hollywood Game:
  • “I like to think of myself as a Timothy [Chalamet]—there’s space for all of us.” (Caroline, 60:29)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment/Event | |-----------|--------------| | 00:53 | First mention of the Summer House episode and disappointment versus hype | | 01:20 | Sierra/West/Amanda “love triangle” breakdown | | 18:25 | Fast 5 & deep-dive begins with detailed Summer House recap | | 23:33 | Watch What Happens Live with Kristen Cavallari and Jesse Solomon analysis | | 25:10 | Jesse Solomon’s defeated vibe (emotional impact of reality TV) | | 35:23 | Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Taylor Frankie Paul out, production drama | | 39:48 | Kendall Jenner/Jacob Elordi relationship rumors and context | | 43:19 | The Carrie Diaries, NYU celebrities | | 51:28 | Devil Wears Prada sequel cameos cut, hosts’ movie plot complaints | | 55:42 | Reese Witherspoon AI controversy and commentary | | 60:29 | Reflections on competition in Hollywood (“there’s space for all of us") |

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Style & Tone

The hosts keep it breezy, witty, and hyper-referential, with a rapid-fire blend of pop culture, TV recapping, and personal anecdote. Candid opinions, occasional lighthearted disagreements, and their signature millennial humor ensure that even heavy reality TV drama is delivered with a wink.

Transcript

[Caroline]

Good morning, girlies.

[Dani]

It's the toast.

[Caroline]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[Dani]

It's your favorite show.

[Caroline]

The best five things you need to know.

[Dani]

We'll start your day off.

[Caroline]

Swirly.

[Dani]

It's the toast.

[Caroline]

They sound amazing.

[Dani]

Welcome back to the Terse Tappy worst.

[Caroline]

Oh, no.

[Dani]

Is it Tuesday? It's Wednesday.

[Caroline]

Happy Worst with Terst and Jerst.

[Dani]

And that's our episode. Thank you so much for listening. Love you. Bye.

[Caroline]

Do the ads.

[Dani]

Just do the ads. And that's kind of like all you needed to hear. Happy thirst. It's the thirst with Jursten cursed and we're the worst. No, no, no, no.

[Caroline]

Actually, we have a lot to do today because the summer episode that was gonna break Break the Internet premiered last night. And I know we were all disappointed because it wasn't the greatest episode of television that I ever saw, but I do understand, like, why Andy uttered the words that he uttered. Unfortunately, they just had an effect that was so much bigger than what the episode actually was. But last night's episode really does make the West, Amanda, Sierra situation so much worse.

[Dani]

Like, yeah, there are people who say, like, that's your situation from two years ago. But I think if you've been watching even with half an eye, it's, like, so clear. Sierra is still in love with west even this summer, even for this scene. So, like, I didn't need that. Like, I understood the depths of this portrayal. But, yeah, maybe there were some, like, people out there who needed to see that. I watched it.

[Caroline]

That now we're seeing them get on the right foot. We're seeing all of the love between them, like, in the final conversation, like, they're just crying and they. They just, like, like each other so much as friends. And for her, definitely more, but that's not a possibility. And the fact that Amanda is the middleman. She's on the FaceTime while he's apologizing. She. She's the one telling him to apologize. And that is what's so crazy that it's her. The Weston Sierra situation is the situation. It's so crazy that it's her.

[Dani]

So I think I interpreted Andy's hype as just having to do with, like, Amanda being weird. And she didn't even come. So, like, that's why I was just immediately sort of like, okay, we've been Alan Cummings. It was a good episode. It was a great episode of Watch what happens live too. I don't know if you watched it with Jesse Solomon.

[Caroline]

Oh, my God. And Kristen Cavallari. Of course I ship. Like, she can't literally walk into a room with a man without a ship following behind. Kind.

[Dani]

Guess I'll start being me. I have a lot of thoughts. Ben and I watched it. We'll get into it. I'm sure that's a story, right.

[Caroline]

So we can sort of get it off our chest. Because that's sort of like, what's weighing heavily on me today.

[Dani]

I also watched Jeopardy. I don't know if you know, but, like, there's a guy. I just. I'm, like, late to it. Like, I haven't been on my Jeopardy. Game, but I heard all the buzz. He's like, on his 27th win, and he's now in fifth place, like, behind Ken Jennings of most times one and most amount of money. He's at, like, seven. Over $750,000.

[Caroline]

Wow.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

That's very cool. You know what? I watched a little bit of last night? I did something crazy last night.

[Dani]

You watched a little bit of.

[Caroline]

You will never guess really, unless you know, like, what happened to Come on after. Watch what happens live last night.

[Dani]

Rory.

[Caroline]

No, what? I'm. I'm a little embarrassed that you watched beyond the Villa.

[Dani]

It was on Bravo.

[Caroline]

It was on Bravo last night on cable. Beyond the Villa. The, like, Love Island.

[Dani]

I know, I know, I know, I know.

[Caroline]

And it was like all of my people were there.

[Dani]

Right. We watched very. We were heavily involved in the most recent season of Love Island.

[Caroline]

Iris, Pepe, tj, Hannah Taylor.

[Dani]

So I saw, like, that. What I pick, Clark. I saw that one clip of, like, really painful to watch. Like, genuinely. I want. I'm thinking of filing a class action lawsuit for, like, the brain cells. And just, like, the time I had to spend watching that clip of Hannah coming in. Loser. You're such a loser. Where she, like, comes in to, like, argue with Pepe. It was just painful.

[Caroline]

And, like, this really shut her down.

[Dani]

Yeah. And, like, you could say was loser. Loser.

[Caroline]

It was interesting because, like, at one point, so many and weirdly, the people who are on the show are kind of my faves. Like TJ and Iris, Charlie, Jeremiah.

[Dani]

Yeah. And the thing.

[Caroline]

And so I'm watching the show and, like, this show was the Love island this summer and the summer before, like, were the biggest shows that ever happened. Ever. Never, ever. And now you literally can't pay people to watch beyond the Villa.

[Dani]

I know. And I don't know why it has, like, the most sad sort of vibe to it, because at a time. And you know what? Like, I feel like Clark and Taylor Never got their sort of flowers. Like, they are one of the last remaining couples. And, yeah, he was like, you know, so mean to Alandria. But, like, I'm sorry. He chose love and he's still with her. So, again, these are people who deserve to be followed and, like, have their stories told. But, like, I don't care.

[Caroline]

No. And it's a great premise for a show. Like, let's follow the people. Yes, I love with and have millions of followers, and they all live in L. A. And let's give them a. It's brilliant. I don't know why I don't want to watch it. I don't know why no one else wants to watch it. And I started watching it last night, and I was like, no, I think

[Dani]

they need to quicken the turnaround time. Because, like, remember when people were getting sent home and they were, like, actively making tiktoks and stuff while the show was still going on? Like, their. Their star drops so quickly. Like, and the second you get home, you just automatically, even if you were beloved, like, automatically just become, like, a loser. And so now, seven months later, however many months, like, we really don't care.

[Caroline]

We don't. But I think they should keep doing the show because I think it's, like. Makes a sense to do it.

[Dani]

It does.

[Caroline]

It makes a sense.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

But I don't know who's watching. So anyways, I got.

[Dani]

I can't believe you watch.

[Caroline]

I know, I know. Well, it was just like, on after watch what happens live, and I was puttering around.

[Dani]

I don't understand that. They played it on Bravo.

[Caroline]

Peacock.

[Dani]

Oh, it came up on Peacock after you're saying peacock.

[Caroline]

It's a peacock show. And I know it shows on Peacock

[Dani]

then, but they never played Love island on Bravo. Like, it's just weird.

[Caroline]

It's all part of the family. So their cousins.

[Dani]

Yeah, but love island is not a Bravo show.

[Caroline]

No, no, but their cousins were on.

[Dani]

It's weird.

[Caroline]

It's like the niece and nephew of Bravo, and I don't know. I. I think they found the right audience in me if there ever was gonna be one. It was funny. Zach was with me and, like, he watched that Love island, the end of it with us season.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

I don't even think he knew that that's who those people were, honestly.

[Dani]

I know. It's been so long.

[Caroline]

He didn't say anything.

[Dani]

I assume nickelandrea, like, are too good for the show, Nick. Like, they're not on the show, nor

[Caroline]

is Orlandria, and neither of them Are part of Nickelandria is not a thing.

[Dani]

Yeah, I feel good about the fact that, like, when eventually, like in five years time when, like, they come out and share like it was a completely fake stage relationship, I will feel good knowing, like, I never bought into it. And I wasn't afraid to speak my truth either.

[Caroline]

I will never forget when Love island was airing. That was when you were in the beginning. You were on maternity leave. So I was doing, like, guest co hosts in June and Natalie Vial came on the show and she was watching Love Island 2 and recapping it and I was telling her, do you know

[Dani]

there's a group of people before Nick and Alandra even got together?

[Caroline]

No, there's a group of people who Stan, Nick and Alandria. And they showed her, like, some of the fan edits. We were on the floor, like, how this could never happen. It was the most far flung thing. And the fact that, like, that's the takeaway from the season is, I know, crazy.

[Dani]

And I am glad that, like, this farce of a relationship, like, gave us Alandra. Like, I don't see Nick anywhere, which I'm grateful for. Like, I don't need to see him. But she is, like, constantly elevating. She goes to fashion shows, she picks up panels.

[Caroline]

Being a part of Nickelandria is holding her back. One, in a sense, it, like, ties her to now. Yeah. And two, like, I want her to be single and meet someone of her caliber.

[Dani]

Yeah. The relationship definitely, like, was a launching pad for her and that's fine. But we know it's not real and, like, just cancel it so you can maybe, like, date someone.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Dani]

It must look famous.

[Caroline]

It must be laundry being it's lonely part of Nickelandia. And not that I like him, but I feel bad for Nick too, because he cannot smooch one girl while he's a part of Nickelandria because he will get really. At least he's smart enough to know that that's true.

[Dani]

But I feel like the benefits of being a part of this fake relationship are not nearly as great for Nick as they are for Alandra. So, like, I don't know why he's still participating. Like, I do think they should just call it.

[Caroline]

Quit being attached to, like, the most fabulous, greatest person to come up the show. Like, he's otherwise, like, just a random on beyond the Villa. Like, it's very. But like, that's a man who's dedicated to his career and the hustle that he would forego really romance and sex. I would say for eight months for his career.

[Dani]

It's admirable. I love to see, you know, a hot.

[Caroline]

Try it.

[Dani]

I just, like, I hate, hate, hate him.

[Caroline]

He should try that.

[Dani]

And it was so interesting watching Jesse on. He was being really open and of many of the things that he said were. Were, like, kind of groundbreaking. But one of the things that he said was that he's expecting west to be really defensive at the reunion. Not, you know, coming groveling, you know, eating shit, taking accountability. And he's really coming defensively about the timeline. And it's like, okay, so the first time he spoke out, he spoke about the timeline. Jesse said, like, his number one topic is the timeline. He's getting his receipts in order. And that's, like, the least small. That's the smallest problem here.

[Caroline]

Nobody thinks that I'm operating in late Feb. Like, nobody thinks that. I hate.

[Dani]

That's what Jesse said.

[Caroline]

I hate when people go to the extremes like that and they only address the most extreme allegations. And it's like, nobody's over there. We're all over here. Let's talk about the thing. And I honestly, I hope he comes in more defensive because if he comes in with his, like, mumbling, contrite apology, I'm bad.

[Dani]

Yeah, I'm bummed out that I heard you.

[Caroline]

Like, that's not interesting to watch. Like, say, with your chest, why'd you do what you did? And that you keep doing it.

[Dani]

And I guess, like a man, they're taking different approaches. Like, Amanda has, like, sat down with people, is apologizing, and, like, Wes is just sort of defensive. Guess he'll stop, sit down and apologize to Jesse.

[Caroline]

She did. Or she texted him.

[Dani]

I think they sat down for coffee.

[Caroline]

I saw, like, Demoximo posting that they had sat down a while ago, but I thought that was when she lied to his face.

[Dani]

He had said, oh, well, Demoximal put together. That. That was actually, like, the coffee in question.

[Caroline]

The coffee of lying to the face?

[Dani]

No, the coffee of apologies.

[Caroline]

Okay, well, let's get into the stories, because we're getting into the stories as we do.

[Dani]

Wait, anything else? I just want to, like, talk about. Oh, I finally got my Coppers of Strangers Bellbird, and I'll be starting it today. Like, five days for a book on Amazon. That's insane. What did I say?

[Caroline]

I don't know. It sounded like Coppers of Strangers Bell Burden, which. I knew what you meant.

[Dani]

That's not what I said. Roll the tapes.

[Caroline]

No, maybe you said it something else, but it's like, how Concrete Jungle Wet Dream Tomatoes. Sounds like copper.

[Dani]

Laurel, Yanny.

[Caroline]

Copper. Strangers Bell Burden.

[Dani]

I got my copy of Strangers Bell Burden and I'll be starting it this evening.

[Caroline]

Yeah, you're gonna have to get to it because we gotta recap it. No, we gotta recap it. Hands. But I can't be. I can't be silenced much longer. But I actually am glad I've had some time to really ruminate on the book because I feel like when I read it, I thought it was just a book. But then I saw my friend Erica, like posted that she had read and she was like, I think this is a book that like most women need to read at some point in their.

[Dani]

Oh, wow.

[Caroline]

And I agree with that. Yeah. It's a cautionary tale. It's not just like a. A crazy story.

[Dani]

Right. Outlier.

[Caroline]

It's a cautionary tale and women should know that these things happen. Okay, so we look forward to you.

[Dani]

We look forward to you.

[Caroline]

We should do a recap of it and like, put on the redheads just to like.

[Dani]

Sure.

[Caroline]

Bump up the redhead. Sure.

[Dani]

You know, I'm like kind of gunning, itching.

[Caroline]

Okay, let's get into the stories then.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

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[Dani]

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[Caroline]

J U R T. Our first story is a summer house recap because we got a lot of information from last night's episode and from watch what happens live with Jesse Solomon. So in last night's episode, Sierra and Val and Sierra and West. West vowed to be best friends again. And Amanda confronts West about disrespecting Sierra.

[Dani]

So, yeah, the conversation at the end I think was what Andy was referring to because I guess if you wanted to be a naysayer up until this point, you could have just said like, well, yeah, what Amanda did like wasn't the best. But this is somebody who Sierra dated for six months, two Years ago, like, we need to move on. But if you've been watching, like, it's so clear that Sierra is so hung up on him, which just makes living in a house with him so more complicated for her. She says, like, I really wish I hated you. Like, it just would make my life so much easier. But she doesn't. And he did this really bad, like, thing, and he really hurt her, and she doesn't know how to move on because they did sort of, like, end abruptly.

[Caroline]

They weren't.

[Dani]

Their. Their relationship, like, wasn't over. He just decided, like, he wanted to be famous and, like, pop pussies at the watch parties. And so everything that they were, like, building together just came crumbling down so quickly. So it left her without any closure with all these feelings that she has sort of refused to acknowledge. I just think if you're watching, it's quite obvious, and I feel like last night was the first time that they ever spoke, like, in a real way, and where she was able to acknowledge those feelings and just sort of let her walls down.

[Caroline]

It was.

[Dani]

It was heartbreaking. Like, it was so sad.

[Caroline]

It was sad to watch, especially because he obviously likes her but can't stop being himself enough to just know, give her and be for her who he would need to be. Like, but the idea. I mean, now I don't ship them at all. But if we're just capping the episode, like, at the time, like, why is going out for him and, like, being with these randos and going to watch parties, like, more attractive to him than, like, being with a person that he considers his best friend, who's so gorgeous, who likes him so much, and, like, they had the best time together two summers ago. Like, how could a person be so stupid?

[Dani]

I know, I know. I think maybe at this point, he doesn't feel it's an option. Even though, like. Like, she literally can't talk to him or about him without crying. It's so clear that there are so many feelings there.

[Caroline]

It seems like going forward, things are about to, like, head back into sort of romantic territory. The preview for next week, someone's saying, like, Sierra and West are, like, best friends again, you know, and it's only a hop, skip, and a jump from that to romantic partners. And that sort of gives credence to the rumors that they had hooked up in the fall or even in the winter before Amanda and Wes. Because I do see how now we're marching down that path, and I do

[Dani]

see if that's the case how, like, then both of their up until this point, what Amanda did to Sierra is worse than what Wes did to Sierra. But if that's true, if they do connect, whether it's hook up or just, like, explore the possibility of something, his crime is just as big as Amanda's and he deserves just as much hate.

[Caroline]

Yeah. So I think it's gonna get. Get worse for him, but it also is simultaneously getting worse for her as she continues to be the person in between the two of them. Like, demanding that he treat her better, letting her know that he's not good enough for her. He's not good enough for her, but he's good enough for you.

[Dani]

And it's just funny in hindsight because obviously we could.

[Caroline]

What do you think of yourself then?

[Dani]

Well, we know that she has, like, severely low self esteem because of this. The behavior she accepts from her own husband. But you do sort of look at Kyle now in a different light where he was like, if he had said this before, we knew I would be like, oh, he's such a. When he was like, oh, my God, I'm finally having fun in the summer house. Like, I'm so happy. I feel so late. And why is it? Oh, because my wife's not here. Like, if he didn't say bitch right, he just said, because Amanda's on here. If he had said that before, I'm like, this guy. But you know what? Like, she is this sort of drag and dark cloud and. Yeah, that's a bummer. Summer should be fun. Summer should be fun.

[Caroline]

Yeah. It's all. It's so crazy how, like, just context can change what someone's saying. Even last weekend, he was complaining like, she only wants to hang out with other people. She doesn't hang out with me. Before West Mandeville, we were like, shut up.

[Dani]

Hang out with you. You suck.

[Caroline]

We're like, wait, that's wrong. You should be giving attention to your husband.

[Dani]

Yeah. And Jesse said on what happens live just the.

[Caroline]

The eternal truth there, you know, Because

[Dani]

I think it's probably both.

[Caroline]

Not everything can just be, like, ping

[Dani]

pong flip based on. No, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle of, like, her version in his. Like, he's a bad husband and she. He's a dreadful wife.

[Caroline]

Yeah. No, no, I'm not saying, like, who's right in the situation, but I'm like, should. You know, it? Like, when. When he was saying those things before, it was like, no, she should be with her friends. But, like, should a person be with their friends or with their husband?

[Dani]

Both. Like, it shouldn't have to be a trade off.

[Caroline]

It really shouldn't be that, like, difficult to be in a house with your husband and your friends and like, everybody feel like you like them.

[Dani]

Andy asked Jesse how Kyle was doing and he was like, you know what? He was doing fine. But he's actually getting angry now because the Yankee game thing, it's like, it's just so disrespectful, which I thought was interesting. Jesse was asking, was answering a lot of questions. He, his energy, it was. I found it a very strange episode. I was wondering if anybody else felt this way. First of all, I think Annie hates Kristen Cavallari.

[Caroline]

Really?

[Dani]

I just got that vibe. Yeah, he was in one of his moods and he was like coming in and out of the mood. But then she said something like, so all the questions for. I felt bad for Kristen Cavallari because it was such a big summer house night and she, like, is familiar and she was giving her takes and she has great personality, but there were no questions for her. Like, and she was just like being like a Bravo person. And so all the questions that were for her were about celebrities who have slid into her DMs. There must have been five different questions from the audience from Andy. And she's like, oh, you put me on the spot. Like, I don't know, like, she would have to have, like, research.

[Caroline]

And so one of the things for her, a celebrity who slid into her dm that she turned down Bobby Play.

[Dani]

Okay. I think what she was talking about was John Mayer because then she was like, oh, I mean, Andy, like, you know, and he was like. I could tell. He just like, hated that she said that. And I thought by that she meant John Mayer.

[Caroline]

I feel like she probably a lot of people have said into her DMs that she has turned down. And I know for that one of those people happens to be Bobby Flesh that once. So, like, I was like, oh, there's an answer. But she obviously, sometimes you just can't think off the top of your head.

[Dani]

Of course. Of course. And they didn't tell her in advance that, like, these were the questions they should have.

[Caroline]

Ultimately, all of the questions were about, like, men that she slept with and wants to or didn't and blah, blah, blah. And she did not name one name the whole episode. Yeah, that was frustrating for Andy, but very frustrating for her that that's all she's asking.

[Dani]

It's a little reductive. It's a little reductive.

[Caroline]

It really is.

[Dani]

I thought she handled it really well. She was also asked about, like, Spencer for mayor, but, like, it really wasn't about her. And so I think she did as good of a job. I just got the vibe that Andy really didn't like her, especially with that John Mayer thing.

[Caroline]

I didn't get that vibe, but I was getting a vibe from Jesse, like a sad vibe. Did you?

[Dani]

Okay, so, yes. He was so defeated. Ben was, like, very moved by the episode. He was like, I feel like I want to reach out to Jesse Solomon.

[Caroline]

I feel like he should. That would be a good.

[Dani]

Because then people were. They were asking him about, like, his music and he's like, yeah, everyone teases me. Like, and I just felt bad. Like, I think that he also was asked about the state of his relationship with Wes and he was like, listen, Wes has been a really good friend to me. So he's not just like dropping him, but he's being really honest. But he's also being really honest that he's mad.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Dani]

He wants an apology. He has not gotten one. He was lied to so much. He said that, like, all the boys went to brunch and, like, how Sierra sort of figured it out, like her womanly intuition. A lot of them did. They were not even being, like, subtle. Yeah, all the boys went to brunch. Jesse found out that Wes went to brunch after the brunch with Amanda. And he only found out because him and Jesse and Kyle were like out at a bar and they ran into Amanda and Wesley West.

[Caroline]

That's so crazy. Not to mention the fact that, like, people could see them out and like. No.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

And also Amanda, Jesse and Wes were all in Miami at one point randomly and.

[Dani]

And they went to dinner without Jesse.

[Caroline]

Amanda and Wes went to dinner without Jesse. And at first he was offended, but now he understands. But no, the vibe I got from him, definitely, like, I think he's in a weird spot. Of what? Of, like, needing to, like, condemn his friend. But that is also his friend. But his friend has betrayed him until those feelings. But it seems like he's been like a little beat. Beat down by the fans and by

[Dani]

like, I think he's getting a lot of hate. And to be clear, like, I believe that he did not know that this was happening. And I think he already gets like, a lot of like, kind of like light hearted hate about his music and now it's just like everything piling on. He's like going on this like 16 city tour for his music and like, people are just being mean to him. I actually felt Bad for him.

[Caroline]

Yeah. I feel like he's not even. I. Not. Maybe he is, but I feel like, not even so much hate for West Mandeval. And if he is, like, that should end right now because he didn't know anything, and he literally is not. Nothing to do with his friend's bad decision. And I appreciate him actually, like, standing by his friend, not completely turning on him. Like, I actually said that's the right thing for him to do, but I just. I think he's getting a lot of hate just, like, for him as a person, and it seemed like it was also getting to him. And I feel like when he came on this show, like, he worked in finance, he was, like, the coolest. Like, the first episode, you just thought he was, like, the most handsome cool. Like, oh, my gosh, who's gonna date Jesse? And now he's just kind of like a joke. And I just.

[Dani]

He's, like, the joker of the show. For real.

[Caroline]

I don't know. I just. It was. I was having one of those moments of, like, people shouldn't do reality tv. Like, it really ruins your life. Like, you think it's amazing, and you're so, like. And I think he's had so much fun with a lot of the fame, but, like, it's not all it's cracked to be. It's giving, like, secret lives and more wise. Even Sierra and Wes, like, when they're crying, talking about how the fans are

[Dani]

pitting them so much, fueled by the

[Caroline]

fans, like, can't even function. They don't even know how they feel about each other because everybody. They open their phone, and the world is turning you against this person. It's a very weird way to live, and I think ultimately, it's not worth it.

[Dani]

I completely agree. I want to say one thing about the episode last night, and I know, like, Sierra can do no wrong. She's a queen. But she did something that pissed me off. Her and Mia, when they, like, pulled KJ to the side, thousand percent. And we're like, we're just gonna check in. Like, are you moving really fast? I feel like KJ and Dara have really given nobody any reason to doubt them. Like, and it's also not moving fast. I hate when people are like, oh, we're not gonna sleep with other people, and we're gonna get to know one another. That's not moving fast. And it was the same thing with Jesse and Lexi. And it's like, I just. I'm such a Lexi truther. But, like, it's the Same exact thing. Like, nobody's making such a big spectacle of it. But the fact that he's even made a conversation, like, actually pissed me off.

[Caroline]

Not only that, they went to kj, which I thought was, like, so rude. And I do not girls girl, they see, like, KJ's a little brother. So it's not like when they went to Jesse about, like, Lexi, because that was all like, people who are literally, like, sitting on his lap and rubbing butts. Like.

[Dani]

Yeah, no, it was. It's very familial.

[Caroline]

It was definitely, like, totally platonic. But first in the car, they said, like, she shares her good news, and they're like, don't you think you're moving a little fast? Like, first of all, no. Well, how. When did they meet each other? Four or five weeks ago. Four or five weeks of intentionally dating, like, every other night seeing that person, like, yeah. At that point, ask me to be your girlfriend or what the are we doing? I completely agree. I haven't to say that.

[Dani]

No problem.

[Caroline]

I did not like that night. I. I thought it was wrong from, like, from especially. Mia initiated and she's like my fave,

[Dani]

but, you know, me too.

[Caroline]

It happens. And then that they went DJ and planted these things in his head. When men, you know, Dara's. You know, women are stalwart and we

[Dani]

know what we want, but that's all it takes.

[Caroline]

You say that to him and he's like, clams up. Even the other time when Lindsay told him something that Ben. Someone's daily said about Ben. And then, like, he's treating Dara differently. Like, you don't with someone's relationship like that. What are you doing?

[Dani]

I agree. And while I believe it came from a good place, like, it was so not supportive. And I don't feel like the two of them are acting anyway, but responsibly. Like, I don't know what the problem is. No.

[Caroline]

And I can understand with Jesse and Lexi, if it's every week you come out and there's a new drama and then we hear that you're exclusively dating. We're gonna have some questions because there's been drama. These two are so normal, free, and knowing that they're dating today, like, they're obviously right for each other. Even if. Even if it doesn't work out, like, in this moment, they're right for each other and they know what they want. Like, I hated that and was giving, like, Carl and Lindsay and everyone just moving too fast. Like, seriously, stop with that. And you know people around here, they're kind of grown. It's time to make haste.

[Dani]

Agreed, agreed, agreed. Oh, when they went to the. The medium, and the medium was talking about, like, Mia having a daughter, like, I was crying. Like, I was actually sobbing. I. I kind of be like a Mia spin off. Like, I heard a brother, like, something. I just, like, agree. I. It's very hard for me to get on board with, like, a new cast member's personal storyline. I just. No matter. I just find it like, I. I need to really know you before I care. But with her, like, Ben was getting, like, a little choked up too.

[Caroline]

Like, it was really emotional from the job. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's been such a value add to the show.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

I think, like, she's here to stay

[Dani]

1000%, and I need her.

[Caroline]

And Levi, by the way, Levi looks like Olivia Rodrigo.

[Dani]

Levi looks like Olivia Rodrigo. Where was Levi? I haven't seen her in, like, three episodes anyway.

[Caroline]

I saw her in a flashback. I was like, Olivia Rodrigo.

[Dani]

I like Bailey. Like, I really do. I hope she stays. Bailey was there.

[Caroline]

Oh, why?

[Dani]

She.

[Caroline]

Yeah, she was, like, killing three girls.

[Dani]

She was killing the fly in the living room with Carl. You don't remember?

[Caroline]

That wasn't from, like, the previous weekend or something? No, but they said there was three girls this weekend again. Sierra, Mia, Dara.

[Dani]

Huh.

[Caroline]

I feel like Bailey wasn't there.

[Dani]

I saw Bailey there. She was wearing, like, a chainmail dress

[Caroline]

maybe. Right. But.

[Dani]

But I think the episode spanned over two weekends.

[Caroline]

It did. It was like a weekend then in the city. Like a Sunday the dog event, which they totally added back in for the.

[Dani]

Yeah, because how uninteresting.

[Caroline]

No. And they wanted to show that lingering hug. Also on Watch what happens live, Andy was doing his Watch what happens five at the end or whatever. And it was like, five reasons why this episode was so cringe for Covis of West Mandeval. Did you see this?

[Dani]

No. I must have fell in and fall asleep. Like, I didn't.

[Caroline]

He's like. So he's reading through all the five things that were, like, really shocking to watch in this episode given what we know now. And, like, I don't know why. Towards the end, it was like he hated every minute of what he was saying. And I feel like not because he hates his job, but I feel like he felt like it was a little bit too shot in Freudie and like, they were, like, capitalizing too much on. On, like, the Sierra heartbreak. And he felt, like, sort of sad. And he. As he's reading these words, he's like, literally Wants to stop reading them. And he's, like, looking around like, who wrote this jacket?

[Dani]

I'm telling you, last night was a weird episode. Like, if you are. If you're in tune with, like, Andy Cohen's fluctuating moods yesterday was because they were, like, high highs and really low lows. Like, sometimes he just doesn't even listen to the guest response on Zoom was

[Caroline]

asking a question and.

[Dani]

Oh, yeah, little joke.

[Caroline]

And then Jesse joked back with her, and Andy, like, got visibly frustrated, and Jesse gave it to him a little bit. He was like, come on. Like, he was just a little bit, like. Like, what's the big deal?

[Dani]

No, Andy was like, seriously on his period last night. Like, he was so moody.

[Caroline]

We should do another podcast where we watch. Watch what happens live every night and then the next day just, like, talk about how Andy was. Yeah.

[Dani]

Some of it is predictable. Like, when there's really big stars, like, he's never gonna act like that. He reserves that for, like, reality stars and his own Bravo Liberty people. And some nights he's just, like, in a good mood. I think some nights he drinks and that, like, always lifts his spirits, but most nights he doesn't. And, like, the man is super, like, hard working. He does radio in the morning and he's a full time, you know, working parent. And, like, I. I'm. I feel you, but, like, you can't be so rude sometimes. He's so. Yeah, rude.

[Caroline]

He was really rude in that moment with the person on Zoom who was like, just. She made a little joke.

[Dani]

She was ador.

[Caroline]

Just, like, conversing. Like, you just have to, like, let it flow and. Okay, so maybe you don't get to ask another question before the commercial break, but, like, it is what it is,

[Dani]

and you don't even want to ask a commercial question before the commercial break, so just leave it alone.

[Caroline]

Don't want to ask a question.

[Dani]

Guess I'll start.

[Caroline]

I get. I do think Ben should reach out to Jesse.

[Dani]

He literally said that he was gonna, like, DM him.

[Caroline]

I think they would be good friends,

[Dani]

and I think Jesse needs just, like, a bunch of, like, good, loyal, like, people around him.

[Caroline]

Yeah. Yeah. Bummer.

[Dani]

Well, he needs to also write another. I thought it was going to be, like, a seasonal thing where he did. What would Jesse Salem and do? Like, I thought we'd get one every season.

[Caroline]

Oh, yeah. But now, like, everyone makes fun of his singing and, like, he just doesn't feel like himself.

[Dani]

Stop. They've sort of beat it out of him.

[Caroline]

They have.

[Dani]

I'm sad.

[Caroline]

Yeah. No, it's like kind of sad. No.

[Dani]

If you watch last night's episode of Watch Happens Live, like he was dead defeated, like he was visibly like shrunken was sad.

[Caroline]

Our next story, some more reality TV news. Because Secret Lives, Mormon Wives, but they are filming. They will resume their season five production without Taylor, Frankie, Paul and Dakota. People magazine reports. A lot of people reported productions back up. No Taylor, no Dakota. But of course Taylor commented on People magazines post saying, interesting. That's not the call I got.

[Dani]

So Hulu is having their get real. You know the event that it's like their upfronts that we saw on Love Thy Nader and on Secret Lives where they make a lot of new announcements. We always hear about new shows premiere dates. We see trailers. It's like a big. So that I think is today in la, lots of rumors swirling. You know, people think and this just might be like. But I've heard it now twice from two separate places that they're going to announce that they will be releasing Taylor. Frankie's Paul's season of the Bachelorette because she's sort of been vindicated legally.

[Caroline]

I want to.

[Dani]

I would be shocked.

[Caroline]

I just want to say, like, I'm here for it.

[Dani]

But we read the spoilers.

[Caroline]

But we read. That's true. That's true. What do you think? Are you here for it?

[Dani]

It. I, I think that they're not going to do it. It was such a big decision. You can't backtrack on it. Like, you just can't.

[Caroline]

But, but where'd you hear. What are the two places that you heard it?

[Dani]

Like Twitter and Tick Tock.

[Caroline]

Like from two separate corners and nd.

[Dani]

No, not like someone I know in the industry. No, it was giving. It was giving rumor. But just putting it out there just in case it's true.

[Caroline]

Yeah. I don't know why I'm like, I, I kind of. I feel like I would be into that.

[Dani]

That in terms of Salama, with or without Taylor, like, it's still a good show and I don't know, I'm kind of down to like tone it down a little bit. Like it doesn't have to be so crazy. Like, I just liked the show in the beginning when they were fighting about like brand deals.

[Caroline]

Not like.

[Dani]

Yeah, not this stuff. It stopped being fun.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Dani]

So if Taylor's filming, like, fine, but I don't need her there, honestly.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Dani]

I just like the show used to be simple, you know, sorry for her. I know.

[Caroline]

And so if she.

[Dani]

But I don't.

[Caroline]

If the bat like, the Bachelorette doesn't need to come out. And I guess at this point it's kind of irrelevant. Even though she's, like, flirting with Doug in the comments. Right, but so no Bachelorette, no Dancing with the Stars if she's not back on slammu. Like, where does her life go from here, though? I do think she's a very wealthy woman.

[Dani]

I think her, her life goes up. Like, I. I don't know if she's in a place where she would turn down any opportunities because it's so addicting. Right? The money, the fame, the attention. She is like the big dog in the group. Like, it's. I get it. And she's posting a lot about her healing journey. And like, a person who is, like, genuinely interested in healing would say no.

[Caroline]

Yeah, that's true. She might be better off if she doesn't do it.

[Dani]

She can maybe come back in two years, but, like, I really think, think this has not been, like, a good. Fame has not been good for her. And, like, it's okay to say no to stuff. Like, it really is. People, like, don't say no to stuff.

[Caroline]

Yeah, that's true.

[Dani]

And I think that, like, she really just needs to focus on, like, herself and her family.

[Caroline]

When they stopped filming and the girls called it off, it was because they said there was a lot more that they had learned that, like, they didn't want to film anymore. And we were sort of waiting for that shoe to drop.

[Dani]

The girls are so wishy washy. They said that. And then on Call her daddy, Jesse was like, riding for Taylor. Like, they don't know what they think.

[Caroline]

Jesse didn't say that, but it was like, Miranda.

[Dani]

Oh, yeah. Layla Chase. Yeah.

[Caroline]

So that never happened. And when, when we thought there was more, I was like, okay, well, she can't film if this just keeps getting worse. Like, no, like, with the. We're done with this person. But if she's been sort of, like, vindicated and there's nothing else, it's just so heavy.

[Dani]

Like, she. She brings a heaviness that I'm actually just not really interested in watching on reality tv. Like, the show in the beginning was so silly and fun and it was cool to see the life of these influencers and the brand deals and, like, the drama was good. You kissed, whatever. But, like, now, like, it's not fun anymore.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

So we'll see. But I wonder what.

[Dani]

I'm excited for that Hulu event.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Dani]

I wonder if they have, like, any new shows. Maybe we'll get a love thy Nader Season 2.

[Caroline]

I wonder thy Nators are going to be there because like they're in the.

[Dani]

I think they are. No, they're back.

[Caroline]

They're back.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Okay, good. I wonder what they learned and what they contributed to science.

[Dani]

Hopefully it was worth it, but. Yeah. I wonder if Hulu has any new shows.

[Caroline]

We'll find out.

[Dani]

Yeah. I love, I love the Hulu. Get real. It's a fun time of year.

[Caroline]

Yeah. We'll find out tomorrow, I guess.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Dani]

Three.

[Caroline]

Number three.

[Dani]

Yes.

[Caroline]

Kendall Jenner and Jacob Elordi have been dating for months, apparently thanks to Kylie. So Kendall and Jacob sparked dating rumors when they were spotted making out and all over each other at Coachella, but apparently they've been dating for two months. According to a Daily Mail report which was published on Tuesday, a source told the outlet that that Kylie was actually the one who played matchmaker for her and Jacob. Quote, Kylie was around Jacob a lot during Timothy's award season marathon because Jacob was nominated for Frankenstein. Timothy was nominated for Marty Supreme. Kylie liked him and thought he would be good for Kenny. So she was like, girl, get on it. Date this guy already.

[Dani]

Okay. Cute. Even though I, I'm like not inspired by this relationship, I just think like they actually are twins. Like from the back.

[Caroline]

No. Their faces. Not even from the back.

[Dani]

From the front, everything. Like their height, their hair color, their eyes, like I. Their bodies. Like they're both like late, like tall and skinny. Like, I'm not inspired by this choice but I do feel like maybe I'm wrong, but I would feel like Timothy and Jacob Elordi like wouldn't like each other. Don't you feel they probably go out for the same roles? Oh, and like are competitive with one another?

[Caroline]

Maybe. And maybe Jacob is like that and petty. But I don't think that Timothy is. I think Timothy like believes and, and to the point that he knows that he's on such another level. I don't think he is jealous. I don't think he competes. I don't think he like looks at other people like that. I think he's like so self assured and confident. Jacob might act that way, but I

[Dani]

do think, I just, I feel like they both position themselves as like the actor of their generation, you know, the Brad Pitt.

[Caroline]

But like there's Brad and George and Matt.

[Dani]

Right, Right.

[Caroline]

Like, I think there's room for all of them and I think that Timothy firmly believes that. I think that Jacob has to tell himself that every morning in the Mirror.

[Dani]

Yeah, Like Timothy Shallow is not better than me. Timothy Shallow is not better. There's room for me and Timothy. There's room for me and Timothy. Well, obviously, like, looking forward to next award season. I need them to continue dating just until then so we can get like the four of them at the Golden Globes and things like that.

[Caroline]

And even though, like, it's not the most interesting pairing, like, like, what would be interesting to me is, like, if this is a serious relationship, I'm kind of like rooting for that, you know, for Kenny. Like, what if this is her big one? That.

[Dani]

Well, Jacob Elordi is like a serial monogamist.

[Caroline]

Yes. So is she kind of. She has like.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

She likes boyfriends.

[Dani]

Yeah. And so he's not like. I mean, maybe he's a philanderer on the side, but like, as far as we know, he gets into very long term relationships. Even Olivia Jade was like three years.

[Caroline]

Yeah. So I think, think that if they want to get serious, my ears are perked up for that.

[Dani]

Yeah. It's just like, it doesn't bode well, at least for me, because it just feels like the same, like, young Hollywood circle jerk Austin Butler, Kaia Gerber, like the same four people all just swapping partners every year.

[Caroline]

Yeah. But if one of them wanted to get engaged, married and or have a child, I'm all ears.

[Dani]

Oh, of course, of course. If they want to take to the

[Caroline]

next level, even that goes for Austin Butler.

[Dani]

Olivia James, where in the world is Austin Butler?

[Caroline]

Around here, there, everywhere.

[Dani]

Did he ever make another movie after Elvis?

[Caroline]

Yes. No. Cloudy. He's in, like, a lot of stuff that just. We don't.

[Dani]

Dune. Dune.

[Caroline]

Oh, so he knows Timothy then.

[Dani]

I'm telling you, the young Hollywood circle jerk continues.

[Caroline]

He was in the Carrie Diaries. He was in Eddington.

[Dani]

I want to talk about the Carrie Diaries. Thank you so much for bringing that up. I've been actually, like, waiting for the right time. The Carrie Diaries was a two season prequel to Sex in the City on cw. It started Anna Sophia Robb as a young Carrie Bradshaw. And Austin Butler played like the cool boy at school who like, liked Carrie despite her curly hair. It was literally the best show. You had to sort of suspend the connection to Sex and City because it was not Carrie at all. But every time they felt like they were sort of distancing themselves too much from Sex in the City, they would make her go to New York and be like, I love Manhattan. And then she would go back to Connecticut. Like, yeah, it was such a good show. Justice for that show. You know, I went to college with Anna Sophia Rob and she was at NYU the same time as me.

[Caroline]

And were you friends?

[Dani]

No, there were a couple of like celebrities at nyu. The Cole and Dylan Sprouse twins. They were, were everywhere, always bopping around. They were like always at the library and stuff. And then Anna Sophia Rob, of course, and I believe at the same time Emma Stone started grad school there. But I never saw her at like the library or anything.

[Caroline]

Grad.

[Dani]

That was a cool part. Like being at nyu, like, was genuinely one of the worst experiences of my whole life. But the proximity to like lots of celebrities was an underrated part of it. And you know, everyone at NYU was like so alt, right? Like blue haired, energy, like they hated celebrities. Meanwhile, I was like spending my entire time there, like hunting down the famous people who were my fellow students.

[Caroline]

You like didn't make one friend of a celebrity?

[Dani]

Oh, of a celebrity, no. But I made one friend, period.

[Caroline]

One friend. Sorry, I wasn't like. You didn't make one celebrity friend.

[Dani]

I mean, to find celebrity. Because I was friends.

[Caroline]

I was friends with myself, spouse, you

[Dani]

know, I didn't make any like long Mendez.

[Caroline]

Right. She went to nyu.

[Dani]

Oh, was she there at the same time as me? I don't think so. I don't. I know because Riverdale was, was after I graduated. So I wouldn't have known.

[Caroline]

Oh, no, you wouldn't have known? No, you wouldn't have known.

[Dani]

You know, I'm sure there are people there like me who weren't famous at the time. It was now like Lady Gaga. But I'm talking about people who were pre established celebrities who then like decided to go to college.

[Caroline]

Yes. Oh, by the way, to answer your question, Sin Butler, according to IMDb has eight projects coming up and one of them is the American Psycho remake which he is starring in and also a Lance Armstrong movie. I guess he's playing Lance.

[Dani]

I love that.

[Caroline]

Yeah. So he's got eight things. So I think Miami Vice, you know

[Dani]

I met Lance Armstrong.

[Caroline]

No, I didn't know that.

[Dani]

Yeah, I kind of have a crazy story, but I don't think I could say it.

[Caroline]

Okay, don't say it. See if we can.

[Dani]

Okay, I'll say it.

[Caroline]

See if we care.

[Dani]

You know, he's a nice guy, give like freaky vibes, you know, so.

[Caroline]

And that. So which one is it?

[Dani]

Both.

[Caroline]

Do you want to tell us? Please tell us.

[Dani]

No, no, I. I don't want to. I don't want to.

[Caroline]

Okay. Are you sure?

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Okay.

[Dani]

Nice guy. Nice guy.

[Caroline]

Our next Story. Devil Wears Pride. A little news on some cameos that got cut.

[Dani]

Oh, wait, Sorry, sorry. You can't. You can't do that.

[Caroline]

I can't tell you about the cameos

[Dani]

that got cut because it's the cameos that got cut that are brought to you by booking dot com.

[Caroline]

Booking. Yeah, that makes sense. Sense.

[Dani]

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[Caroline]

Thank you. No Turt.

[Dani]

You're welcome. Jerk.

[Caroline]

Our next story, Devil Wears product cameos that got cut. So now that people have seen the movie, cameos that did and did not make it are being shared. So first, Sydney Sweeney was meant to be in the movie. She was being like Dragon dressed by. She was playing herself dressed by like of course, Emily Blunt's character. And they wound up cutting it out of the movie. They said it was like too clunky and hard to cut out, but that they did.

[Dani]

Oh, interesting.

[Caroline]

Also, this is weird. Someone, an actor named Conrad Rick Amora, he's from how to Get Away with Murder. He was meant to play Andy's roommate. And he. His cameo got cut, but, like, why would it got cut? Because why would Andy have a roommate?

[Dani]

Oh, no. I'm scared. Like, I'm scared. I told you guys, I am scared. Like, I. This sequel, like, is just important. And. And some of the things I'm seeing are, like, promising, and some of the things I'm seeing are not. And then also justice for Hannah Burner. Don't you find? Like, it was literally, like, confirmed. They're like, paige's in the movie. Everyone's been talking about Paige in the movie. And it's like, Paige and Hannah are actually in the movie.

[Caroline]

Oh, why did everyone say just Paige?

[Dani]

Because Paige was spotted on set. Hannah wasn't in the picture. So it just was like, oh, just Paige. She's, like, the fashion girl. So, like, she'll be in the movie. But it was both of them.

[Caroline]

That's funny. That's crazy that they're in the movie. And actually, Anna Wintour is not in the movie.

[Dani]

Good.

[Caroline]

I think she's in, like, a gag take and probably will be, like, a bonus feature or whatever like that on the dvd.

[Dani]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Because she went to the set one day, and apparently she saw the flowers, and she said, Dior would never have those flowers. And they changed the flowers. They were, like, too. Too much volume and, like, too pink. She was like, they would only have white flowers.

[Dani]

So I saw, like, one scene of the movie. It's like, Andy gets an assistant, and I'm just scared. Like, I'm just scared.

[Caroline]

But it's really concerning that they would have her having a roommate.

[Dani]

Yeah, well, where. So I know, like, we pick up and Andy gets a job at Runway, which is so, like, unrealistic. I like my premise to the movie so much better. I know. I, like, everyone's tired of hearing me say, but mine was better that she became, like, a huge features writer for, like, New York magazine, and she got tasked with the job of profile, failing Miranda, and she has to shadow her for, like, a month. So much better. Because, Anthony, that auntie would ever. Unless we find Andy, she's, like, down on her luck and, like, homeless. She would never go back to Runway.

[Caroline]

She's, like, home half.

[Dani]

Right. Right. Because you would assume she was, like, a young girl in her 20s. The movie came out when? 20 years ago.

[Caroline]

20 years ago. She's in her 40s.

[Dani]

Right. So you would think, like, and she was hustler. Like, she was job, job, job, job, job, job, job. And that she finally left and she was. She got a job at Boston Globe like, it was supposed to be better for Andy.

[Caroline]

Yeah. But also, I think she was very cause driven, you know, didn't she?

[Dani]

Being cause driven doesn't pay the bills. She was writing about the janitorial strike, remember?

[Caroline]

Yeah. And she wanted to write about, like, happenings in the world. And so maybe, like, Runway has now a job for that. And that's her job. And she's able to.

[Dani]

Yeah, she's the head of Features.

[Caroline]

Yeah. Where maybe their cause drops. Driven Features, it's giving how to lose

[Dani]

a guy in 10 days when like, Andy Anderson wants to write about, like, the war in Afghanistan. Not push up bras.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Dani]

Like, girl, you work at Cosmo.

[Caroline]

Yeah. But you know what? I think now they do.

[Dani]

Yeah, they do both now.

[Caroline]

And I feel like maybe Vogue does, but, like, maybe it's just, like a sign of the times. Like, now it's just like, very cause driven. Like, less fluff.

[Dani]

Right. So again, I think the movie comes out Friday. I am gonna see it. And I just want to reiterate. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm scared.

[Caroline]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm not scared.

[Dani]

And so I guess Stanley Tucci.

[Caroline]

I can't live in fear, you know?

[Dani]

So I guess Stanley Chucci still works at Runway, which is also like.

[Caroline]

No, he would. He would, he would.

[Dani]

She'll pay me back. Maybe she does pay him back.

[Caroline]

I think that he would. I think there are people that work that. That's like a job that you. Yeah, yeah.

[Dani]

You have forever, even if you get passed over for stuff.

[Caroline]

Yeah, but like, that you grow. Like, that's where you are.

[Dani]

Yeah. Because there isn't, like. And if you're in fashion, there's really nowhere to go, like, after that.

[Caroline]

Right?

[Dani]

Yeah. It's like the Mecca.

[Caroline]

Our fifth and final story, Reese Witherspoon is in some hot water over her support for AI. This is so weird.

[Dani]

People are just obsessed with being mad

[Caroline]

about AI, about stuff in general. But, yeah, definitely about AI. Last week, Reese went viral for declaring that the AI revolution has begun. Well, I'm glad she let us know.

[Dani]

Well, no, she went viral because not only she did did she acknowledge that the revolution has begun. Like, thanks. We know she was encouraging women to, like, learn about AI so they don't get left behind.

[Caroline]

Yeah. She said the jobs women hold are three times more likely to be automated by AI, yet women are using AI at a rate 25 lower than men on average. Average. We don't want to be left behind. The post attracted some backlash, with people pointing out the problems associated with Data centers and intellectual property and accusing Witherspoon of being paid by AI companies to promote generative tools. So yeah, the way she posted just about like, AI awareness, it was giving, like paid by AI to make you aware of AI, but it was actually not paid at all. She just sort of wanted to send it on.

[Dani]

I wasn't give. I was actually not giving the vibe, getting the vibe at all that it was paid or like a backhand endorsement of AI. I actually understood what she was saying. And it's like, yeah, we can all be like writing think pieces on AI, but it's coming so you can either get on board or lose your job and like, have no expertise. I actually thought it was like a helpful warning to women. And, you know, that's all she does is like, women, women, women.

[Caroline]

No, it was completely out of nowhere.

[Dani]

Well, no, she. No, she's a huge business owner and like, AI is a huge topic of conversation in Hollywood too.

[Caroline]

Yeah, but it's, it's a, it's a hot button issue, so to wade in when like. No, and I'm not saying that she shouldn't wait in. And by the way, you know, I don't really care what she said or like, I genuinely. I'm just saying, like, how it might have looked to people who like to care. Like, she wades into this topic out of nowhere and seems to be like, supporting automation when, like, her industry is really against it. It's.

[Dani]

I mean, it's just happening.

[Caroline]

Like, we know that, we know that. Yeah, just like, like that she's getting it all in on AI and like, letting us know. I feel like people probably thought of it as a betrayal.

[Dani]

Okay, fine, so be it. I don't care. And yeah, you guys can fight it all you want. It is coming. So, like, let's keep talking about how much we hate it or let's like, you know, work together.

[Caroline]

Let's make a better stir fry, you know?

[Dani]

Correct. Now, there were also conspiracy theories because, you know, her company got acquired by a company that has a stake in a large controlling AI company. It's like, AI, everyone in business has some sort of vested interest in AI. So I'm not down to theorize here. Like, I don't think she's like that. I. I actually think, like, she thought she was being helpful for women.

[Caroline]

And I think she thought she was just like, posting like something motivational for women, like, as you do, like, just like mindless women jargon that people like, say online women's stuff. Did you know 25 of women are not, you know, like, I don't think. I think she just thought she was creating content for women and didn't realize she, like, like, stepped in on a mind big.

[Dani]

And then she released, like, another Instagram story, being like, oh, had no idea everyone was gonna be.

[Caroline]

Yeah, but she said so perturbed. To be clear, no one's paying me to talk about this. I'm just a curious human. My kids are learning about AI tools. I know a lot of founders who are vibe coding, and I hear about people using AI in every sector of business. But I want to acknowledge people's concerns. They're valid. I'm aware of this impact this could have on jobs across so many industries. I understand environmental concerns. I care deeply about local communities. Well, that's.

[Dani]

Who doesn't.

[Caroline]

I thought she didn't care about local communities.

[Dani]

And when I read her initial statement, I said, oh, this is a person who not only doesn't care about local communities, but hates local communities.

[Caroline]

So that. She cleared that up.

[Dani]

Me too.

[Caroline]

I feel good. And I have concerns about impending AGI. The.

[Dani]

That Athletic Greens.

[Caroline]

AG1. Maybe it said AG1.

[Dani]

I'm cracking up.

[Caroline]

I don't believe computers should replace humanity. That's good.

[Dani]

Oh, I do. I think I actually do.

[Caroline]

For a second, I thought she wanted me to become a computer.

[Dani]

A robot. Yeah. I'm glad.

[Caroline]

Okay. Cleared that up.

[Dani]

I actually really appreciate her cleaning that up.

[Caroline]

She said, I'm planning on learning as much as possible so that I'm educated about this technological revolution.

[Dani]

This is so stupid. Like, seriously, I. I just, like, people are so intent on, like, misunderstanding other people, especially celebrities, and so having to even rel. Release a statement as moronic as I support my local communities. Like, I just wish she didn't because, like, you're indulging behavior of people who, like, are forcing backlash and, like, just really intent on misunderstanding. So, like, while this is funny, like, I wish she wouldn't have even responded,

[Caroline]

but I feel like maybe she doesn't support, like, distant communities. Oh, maybe sports communities that are local. What about foreign communities?

[Dani]

Well, that's not very inclusive of her.

[Caroline]

What about foreign communities?

[Dani]

Like, this is just words. Do you know what I mean?

[Caroline]

Not a part of her local community. So she doesn't support me.

[Dani]

She definitely doesn't support you.

[Caroline]

She definitely doesn't. Well, it's because of redheads. We're obviously competitors. Competitive.

[Dani]

Yeah, of course you're competitive in nature.

[Caroline]

I like to think of myself as a Timothy. There's space for all of us.

[Dani]

Oh, speaking of thank you. Did you see Charlize Theron was talking about Timothy's ballet thing? Girl, like, you're four months late.

[Caroline]

Oh, God. I did.

[Dani]

And she was really upset and she was like. And you know what? I feel good about the fact that AI is going to take your job, but never the job of a performer on a.

[Caroline]

A stage. Yeah.

[Dani]

Oh, my God. Just genuinely ins.

[Caroline]

I hope I see him like, it's on.

[Dani]

It's on genuinely. Like, that 30 second clip is just like, why people in Hollywood can be so unlikable. Like, this is not a real problem.

[Caroline]

No, it's not a real problem. It's really not few things.

[Dani]

And it's like, we all hate AI right? Until it comes through Timothy Chalamet's job.

[Caroline]

Job. Yeah. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Dani]

But he's not filming.

[Caroline]

And that's us. I think we're done filming. Yeah.

[Dani]

Right. Because we have no problem sitting with the secret lives of Mormon Wise in her dress. But she's not filming. I'm sorry. Like, that will forever be the lamest thing on planet Earth. I love him for that.

[Caroline]

I do too. Step by step. That. That vocal stem, as the children say, is going to rehabilitate his reputation.

[Dani]

Yeah. Well, the place looks beautiful. It always does.

[Caroline]

Thank you.

[Dani]

Should that be our new outro? Because I can't. I have to stop saying, like, yes, Spotify. Okay, so it'll go like this. It'll take me a while, but thank you so much for listening to the Toast, the MIL Millennial morning show where we deliver the fast size stories that you need to know every Monday Through Friday on YouTube, Spotify and Apple podcasts. Well, the place looks great. It always does. Thank you.

[Caroline]

Love ya. Bye.

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