How Suzy Seas It with Suzy Weiss: Monday, November 17th, 2025

Summary

Detailed Summary of "The Toast" – November 17, 2025

Episode Title: How Suzy Seas It with Suzy Weiss
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Guest: Suzy Weiss (founder, culture reporter, and features writer at The Free Press)

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Episode Overview

This lively Monday episode welcomes back Suzy Weiss for her second guest co-host appearance. The conversation weaves through personal anecdotes, media industry insights, hot takes on trending topics, reality TV deep-dives, viral social moments, and Suzy’s latest journalistic rabbit holes. The signature lighthearted banter, pop-culture commentary, and authenticity anchor the show’s tone throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Suzy’s Return, Acquisitions, and Media Life

• Hair stories and media mogul life kick off the episode, with Suzy joking about her last appearance ("the curly hair brought me back here" [01:18]) and discussing her role at The Free Press (and sister Barry Weiss’ higher public profile).
• On The Free Press’ acquisition by Paramount:
  Suzy notes her daily life hasn't changed much, quipping that she still takes the cab and relishes small luxuries but hasn't made sweeping changes post-acquisition ([04:01]).
• Discussion about marking milestones with personal tokens—Suzy is not interested in buying her own engagement ring; Claudia shares strong traditional views, disliking the "woman proposes to man" trope ([04:26]).

2. Lab-Grown Diamonds & Shifting Luxury Norms

• Suzy details her viral article, “Diamonds or Whatever,” on lab-grown diamonds ([05:00]):
  • Advances now allow people to “press a button” and obtain large, real diamonds at a fraction of the cost.
  • The diamond industry's democratization is turning classic luxury into commodity.
  • Social dynamics: Older women feel pressed to keep up with younger ones flaunting bigger (lab-grown) stones ([06:30]).
  • Market effects: Natural diamonds down, gold up, designers must adapt or get left behind (“Sort of feels like TikTok,” [07:03]).
  • Claudia reflects on her evolving diamond taste and self-identifies as "prudent," not "cheap."
  • Suzy: “It’s a small luxury. It’s like you probably can’t go on vacation this year, but you can get a La Mer chapstick. And that’s a recession indicator. But it’s okay.” ([09:41])

3. Reality TV Roundup: Mormon Wives, Bravo, Hulu Era

• Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is their current binge obsession:

  • Personal connections: Claudia bonds over the show’s support during postpartum days, Suzy riffs on the “peak era” of reality TV ([16:17]).
  • Dissection of cast drama, especially Jesse and Jordan’s affair storyline—both hosts come out as firmly Team Jesse, analyzing gender roles, “emotional abuse,” and authenticity ([26:12]).
  • The “dad talk" and "mom talk" threads: amusing cultural crossovers, with the cast’s loyalty and influencer culture highlighted ([30:00]).

• Bravo Con & Housewives Universe

  • Suzy and Claudia discuss Bravo Con’s highlights: Vicki Gunvalson receives her “orange” (Real Housewives OG status) onstage ([34:15]), the contracts’ role in casting, the breaking of the fourth wall on reality shows, and interwoven brand/influencer crossovers ([35:24]).
  • Cynicism towards the “reunion” between Teresa Giudice and her brother Joe at Bravo Con, suggesting it’s for show and business ([40:31]).
  • Kathy Hilton showing up with a security tag on her $2,000 jacket leads to jokes about true wealth and housewife finances ([43:45]).

4. Pop Culture Deep Dives

Britney Spears and the Kardashians Sleepover ([51:38] – [58:29])

• Discussion of Britney’s wellness post-conservatorship: Both hosts question whether “Free Britney” was truly for her benefit.
  • Claudia: “Should we have freed Britney?”
  • Suzy: “No.”
  • Both agree the conservatorship’s problems did not nullify the need for some protective structure.
  • Cultural evaluation of Britney’s career output during different eras (Michael Jackson, R. Kelly parallels).
  • Amusement at the Kardashian bed “sleep-under” with Britney, recognizing it as more of a photo op than genuine friendship.
  • Bed family vs. non-bed family – a humorous take on household culture.

Millie Bobby Brown's "Doona drama" ([62:07] – [63:33])

• Recent viral footage of Millie Bobby Brown carrying a heavy car seat while her husband walks unencumbered prompts a mini-rant about division of (parental) labor and closely-held family streaming service passwords.

5. Media Access & Streaming Wars ([63:54] – [66:03])

• YouTube TV’s Disney contract drama disrupts access to major channels (brief, but relatable to cord-cutter listeners).
• Suzy and Claudia riff on the chaos of sharing passwords among friends and family, and lament the never-ending necessity to coordinate streaming access.

6. Suzy’s Current and Future Work

• Suzy is working on a new feature: “The Sea is the New Space” ([67:14] – [72:03]):
  • Exploration, unmanned vehicles, drones, maritime security, submersibles, and the spiritual/feminine qualities of the ocean.
  • “I kind of think World War 3 will take place on the high seas. That’s my prediction.” ([71:17])
• Upcoming essay: Hot take against bachelorette parties and wedding excess ([72:39]).
• Appreciation for Tinx’s life/aging advice and the “strong opinions, loosely held” philosophy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On internet fame and The Free Press:
  “When you’re in like a sister family business, like anytime one person gets flowers, it’s like, and thank you so much. I call it funeraling […] as if the person’s dead. It’s like she’s still with us.” — Suzy Weiss ([02:13])

• On Lab-Grown Diamonds:
  “You can press a button and get a five carat diamond. That is not a fake diamond.” — Suzy Weiss ([05:14])

• On La Mer Chapstick:
  “It’s a small luxury. It’s like you probably can’t go on vacation this year, but you can get a La Mer chapstick. And that’s a recession indicator. But it’s okay.” — Suzy Weiss ([09:41])

• On the power of reality TV fandom:
  “The fans for Bravo are really scary. Like, they just care a lot, which I love. They’re zealots, and I wanted to do a good job, you know?” — Claudia ([11:29])

• On Free Britney:
  “Britney does not… Okay, wait, let’s do it part by part, because I’m curious. There’s so much to say about this [conservatorship].” — Suzy ([51:39])

• On strong opinions:
  “Normalize changing your minds. […] Strong opinions loosely held.” — Claudia ([61:13])

• On weddings and parties fatigue:
  “You can really only ask someone to take a plane once for your wedding. If that. That’s funny. No matter how much you love a person, like, the wedding will make you hate them.” — Suzy ([73:53])

• On the sea as the new frontier:
  “The sea is the new space. […] I kind of think World War 3 will take place on the high seas. That’s my prediction.” — Suzy ([71:17])

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Important Timestamps

| Segment | Description | Timestamp | |---------|----------------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Opening Banter & Suzy's Role | 00:03–02:43 | | The Free Press Acquisition | 03:20–04:26 | | Lab-Grown Diamonds | 04:49–08:34 | | Reality TV – Mormon Wives, Bravo, Hulu Era | 12:23–16:33 | | Jesse/Jordan Affair on Mormon Wives | 24:00–29:32 | | Bravo Con Recap (Vicki, Teresa/Joe, Kathy Hilton) | 34:15–46:18 | | Britney Spears & The Kardashians Sleepover | 51:38–58:29 | | Morality of Consuming Disgraced Artists’ Art | 59:00–61:13 | | Streaming Service Password Chaos | 63:54–66:03 | | Suzy's "Sea is the New Space" Feature | 67:14–72:33 | | Abolishing the Bachelorette Party Hot Take | 72:39–76:07 | | Sign-off, Plugs, Reflections | 76:19–79:59 |

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Tone & Style

The conversation is fast-paced, informal, peppered with inside jokes and candid asides. There’s a self-aware, “girls talking among girls” energy that oscillates between heartfelt, critical, and playfully irreverent. Both speakers are unafraid to push hot takes, revise their stances, or marvel at the chaotic world of digital media and modern femininity.

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Where to Find Suzy & The Free Press

• The Free Press: thefp.com/subscribe (try code "toast" for a possible discount)
• Suzy on X/Twitter: @SnoozyWeiss
• Instagram: New professional IG handle “on Instagram” (private account for personal Instagram)

Suzy’s column: "Second Thought" — weekly on culture
Upcoming: Possible podcast launch teased

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Final Notes

This episode is packed with pop culture gossip, thoughtful debate on everything from luxury goods to ethics in media and personal growth, all framed within The Toast's signature warmth and wit. If you want a blend of sisterly wisdom, unapologetic opinions, and cultural analysis, this one’s unmissable.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your host. It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to the Toast and happy Monday. I am back in New York and joined by a new now two time guest co host, founder, culture reporter, features writer, which I'm not entirely sure what that means. It's Susie Weiss. Hey, Susie Weiss.

[B]

Thank you for having me. Welcome.

[A]

Straight today. And it was curly the last time you were here. And I was so. I loved your curly hair. I'm like, look at this girl with her curly hair. Oh, she's got panache.

[B]

Wait, that's very interesting because the curly.

[A]

Hair, there's a story behind it.

[B]

It was a train wreck. And I was at the dry bar and I was like six minutes late. And it was one of those things where it's like the. The system won't let me. Our corporate system. And I was like, the system. I'm like, I see the blow dryer. Just do it. And it was just at the end of a long, freaky weekend and I cried hysterically. And they ended up doing curly hair, which I hated. But you loved it and it got me back here.

[A]

That's why it was my clue for you today. I remember being so like, taken by your hair. Isn't it funny how man plans and God laughs?

[B]

Isn't it?

[A]

And I feel like you're here again because of your curly hair.

[B]

Thank you. Okay, well, now I feel like self conscious of my zo.

[A]

Now you blow out your Brigitte Bardot. Like you're so fabulous. Like, I have a blowout too. Where just girls with blowouts.

[B]

We're just girls with. It's like I look at the Mormon wives, wives, and they all have the.

[A]

Like beach waves, the Utah hair.

[B]

Except. And maybe this is New York hair.

[A]

1,000%. I love that analysis. Their hair is very like. It's kind of the prototype of the woman women that they are. And this is very New York blowout. Like, we're so busy, we have to get our hair blown out. We won't wash it for a week.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

We're so busy. I just was watching your episode with Jax where I feel like I learned so much about you. Mostly that you are one of four girls. You are the youngest, but you definitely take on a role in life and in business as the Claudia of your family because you work with your sister. Barry, you are one of the founders of the Free Press. And I just want to say, like, I feel like you don't get enough credit for that. Do you feel that way too?

[B]

No, I think I get like a perfect amount of credit.

[A]

I feel like everybody's like, Barry Weiss, the Free Press. But it's like, Susie Weiss, the Free Press.

[B]

You know, it's the Free Press. Nellie Bulls, the Free Press. My sister Law, too. Three co founders. But when, you know, when you're in like a sister family business, like anytime one person gets flowers, it's like, and thank you so much. I call it funeraling because people will come up to me and they'll be like, you know, your sister's such an inspiration. I go, and we miss her every day. And she was just. She was a light. She was a light. And we. Because they. Sometimes people are just like. It just means so much to me as if the person's dead. It's like she's still with us.

[A]

And she is. Yes, she is.

[B]

But I definitely rather be in my position sitting across from you on the terse. Yes.

[A]

As opposed to sort of like takes on all the like, horrible anti Semitic tropes about, like, Jews in media. The Internet, like, sort of puts on Barry Weiss.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

How is she dealing with that?

[B]

That she's sort of like, like, I think kind of reached escape velocity with that. Because it's just, it's so much the point where you kind of like level up and you don't like see it anymore. Because as you know, as someone who's online, if you actually allowed it to penetrate, you wouldn't be able to get out of bed. Like you'd be on the bathroom floor. So, so true. Really good spirits.

[A]

I love to hear that. So much has changed. Not only your hair since last time you were here, but you've also been acquired, which was huge news, actually. Made the fast five.

[B]

Did it? Yes.

[A]

Free Press, acquired by Paramount.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, Paramount.

[A]

For women in media, we love to see women owned businesses getting, you know, bought out. Like, tell me how life is different now that you've been acquired. And it is a dream of mine to be acquired.

[B]

Is it?

[A]

Yeah. Only for a large sum of money.

[B]

Wait, I should say congratulations. These media mogul says yes. Meeting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're talking to each other. So is yours.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Of course. Made it. Made it across my transom. Dear Media, we did majorly.

[A]

Oh, that's huge.

[B]

Just, Just girls. Just busy girls.

[A]

Look, Just busy girls.

[B]

How's my life changed? Not at all. Like, I'll take a Cab home.

[A]

You live in the same apartment?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Take a cab.

[B]

I take a cab home. I'm so. You know how amazing it is to take a cab. I do think my whole life is Cat is Apple Pay. Well, now it's Apple pay.

[A]

Oh, your whole life was trains and now you. Now you're.

[B]

Now I pay. Well, I pay with a. A card, but I. I take the train home. That's all that's changed. I do believe in like marking things with tokens. Like not like I'm buying my own engagement ring, but like.

[A]

Oh, please don't. Yeah, like that's my. That's one of my personal. I'm actually very modern in a lot of ways.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Extremely traditional in other ways. And I don't believe like women should propose to men. I don't believe women should buy rings for men. Like, okay.

[B]

No.

[A]

And that's like a hot take of mine. Like one of my favorite books ever. I was like reading it at the very end. The girl proposed to the boy and like I gave it one star. Like it's just one of a trope. Like a modern feminist trope I hate. So I. I like that you brought that up.

[B]

Well, I. There was a story I worked on a lot or a big story that I wrote that felt like a terse story which was about lab grown diamond.

[A]

That was on my list of things to talk to you about because you did a huge piece and by the way, I saw it everywhere.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Yeah, about. And what was the overall thesis of the piece? Like the thesis.

[B]

The headline was diamonds or whatever.

[A]

Right. Just such a.

[B]

Which is such a funny headline.

[A]

I know you worked at the New York Post.

[B]

I worked.

[A]

Definitely got. That is very post inspired.

[B]

But basically it was just kind of like how you can press a button as. As we know and get a skinny body with Ozempic or press a button and personal assistant. You can now press a button and get a five carat diamond. That is not a fake diamond.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's pure carbon. I mean there is no difference. So it was just sort of about how that's affecting people in the diamond district.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Which is an amazing, hilarious part of New York.

[A]

And did you go down there and like talk to Pete?

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

It's a hilarious part.

[B]

It's. It's like the 1980s. It's so weird.

[A]

It's untouched by modern times.

[B]

It is completely untouched. And they're so funny. And they're all telling me different things.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I'm like, are their heads coming off like Right. Because. Because not because lab grown diamonds are. De Beers basically had a, ran a cartel. They could decide how much a diamond cost. A natural diamond. There's no cartel with lab grown diamond.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So the marketing flooded.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so it's like you know, a 10, you can get a 10 carat diamond. Like it's a commodity at this point which drives the price of natural diamonds down.

[A]

Right. And but it's also like a very hot button issue, like on social media.

[B]

Would you accept one? Are you going to lie about one?

[A]

You know, would you lie about it? Would you accept it? But also like it's in some circles look down upon if people know if people. That's the big if.

[B]

But that's like I talked to one guy in the diamond district who said these like 60 year old women were coming in who had like, you know, tennis bracelets and like the whole thing. And they would say like real, real. But they, yeah, but they would say this 20 nothing sitting across from me at lunch as bigger diamonds than me. Right. So now I need to buy myself the lab grown diamonds to keep up with this, you know, young buck who's like 22 or whatever.

[A]

It has driven down the price of natural diamonds.

[B]

Yes. Gold has gone up. Gold is really expensive. But natural diamonds have gone down.

[A]

I think also if you're like a jewelry designer in the space and you're not getting on board, like you will be left behind. It sort of feels like TikTok.

[B]

Yeah. You got to get on and it's.

[A]

Like that's what I keep telling Jackie.

[B]

Yeah. It's like the CCP might have a camera into your bedroom, but do you want to get left behind?

[A]

Right.

[B]

But then the lab grown designers are kind of coming in. Like Leandra Medine, man repeller does like these lab grown diamonds for a flalo. She did a diamond ring for your toe. She's really, really fun and she's just making like the most amazing things. You can make a dining room table at lab.

[A]

Yeah. It's so true.

[B]

Do you. What is your take?

[A]

Well, so I don't have a take, but my take is a little biased because like when I was in the business of procuring diamonds, which I'm not currently in that era, no jewelry fits my fingers right now.

[B]

It diamonds for your own self?

[A]

For myself, yes. Yes. It was before really lab grown. Like when I got engaged, it was not a thing. Like, and I feel like for so long when I was thinking of like diamond alternatives, I was thinking of like moissanite, which Was, like, very, like, what the Mormon women were doing. And I saw it all, like, with these bloggers online. But I feel like I haven't really bought diamonds since they became super famous. And now if I was going to acquire a piece, like, I don't know what I would do. I really don't.

[B]

Well, that's the thing. It's like, maybe for an engagement ring, you would do lab grown, but if.

[A]

You were like, a tennis bracelet.

[B]

A tennis bracelet. I want to buy this thing for myself. I don't want to make it, like, a big. I don't want insurance attached to it or anything. You might go lab grown.

[A]

I have to imagine, like, next time I buy a piece, like, I might be. I might be swayed into buying lab grown, as Jackie lovingly calls me. Cheap. I'm not cheap. I'm just much more economical, financially savvy than she is.

[B]

Prudent.

[A]

Love the word prudent. So her calling me cheap is actually, like, she's the most extravagant, indulgent person I know. So I'm probably not cheap. I'm probably just, like, normal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would probably dive in. Yeah.

[B]

She's got taste.

[A]

She has excellent taste. Yes, yes. Like, I don't. I don't buy anything without running it by her first. And, of course, she's never told me no. Yeah. So she's not a great person to run things by, you know?

[B]

Well, she was like, she. There was like, an 80 chapstick or something, you guys.

[A]

So let's talk about the La Mer 80 Chapstick, which she had posted that it was 60, and it actually was 80. Now I can't even be mad at her because ever since we had this long discussion on the toast about the La Mer chapstick, which, by the way, is the best chapstick on the market. And you will put it on so infrequently that it adds up to about $80 of Aquaphor. I'm being dead serious. That conversation on the toast did land me on the La Mer PR list, which I'm not mad about, because, like, I don't know that they don't do gifting, but I've now gotten two big boxes of La Mer, like, four chapsticks. Let me tell you, I haven't even gone through one of them. It is an elite. And we did say, I know a lot of people bought the Lamar chapstick because of us. And I feel good about encouraging people because while it does seem extravagant, it's actually not. Like, how many of those tube chapsticks have you bought in your life and not even finished?

[B]

Oh, I'm going to guess.

[A]

Thousand, eighty dollars worth.

[B]

Oh, certainly beyond that, I saw the.

[A]

Same first Lamar thing that Jackie encouraged me to buy. So while she is nuts, there is a method to the Jackie O. Madness.

[B]

But there's also. It's a small luxury. It's like you probably can't go on vacation this year, but you can get a La Mer chapstick. And that's a recession indicator. But it's okay.

[A]

Yes, there are a lot of recession indicators happening right now. Like Rachel over Bethany. Rachel Zo joining the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. What do you make of that? It's also like a divorce indicator. I think divorces are expensive, but it is really crazy.

[B]

Did Rachel Zo get divorced?

[A]

Yes. From Roger.

[B]

Yeah. But is what member? Who would she have that feud with? Andrew?

[A]

Brad Gresky.

[B]

Brad, yes.

[A]

Yes. Who? I believe they've squashed it, but I know, like, to her grave, she hates him.

[B]

That is like, true OG Reality TV beef that, like, you could tell was completely real.

[A]

Right. Which I guess when you think about it, it's not so crazy that she's going to be on Housewives because she did become really famous. Rachel Zoe on Bravo, of course.

[B]

I used to watch it.

[A]

It was so good.

[B]

All the shoes lined up.

[A]

Everything was bananas. Everything was mage.

[B]

Such a good chance.

[A]

And then Brad, like, left and took some clients and it was, like, really crazy.

[B]

I think she's a great addition to Real Housewives of Beverly Hills because, like, she knows the game of reality TV in a way where I fear that some of the housewives kind of don't.

[A]

Yeah. But women who don't know reality TV make the best, like, first and second seasons because they don't know how bad it can get and, like, how poorly they can be edited. You know, they're kind of susceptible.

[B]

Or it could just go super goofy. Like Kathy Hilton.

[A]

Well, yes. And we actually do have a story today about Kathy Hilton. Bravo Con was over the weekend. A lot of news coming out. Nothing like crazy. I feel like years past have been crazier, but.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yes. Actually, I. I forget. Was it last year, the year before? I've been twice now when it was in New York, which was so much easier. I moderated a panel which, honestly, I feel like I don't talk about and brag enough about.

[B]

Oh, it's.

[A]

And I hosted a big one, too. It was like a bunch of OG Housewives and producers like Kenya Moore, Kyle Richards, like, a lot of Major ones. I mean, it was, like, probably the most fun I've ever had.

[B]

Did you feel like Andy?

[A]

I did. I did. I felt so nervous. I actually don't really get nervous about anything, but it just. It wasn't my space, you know, I was, like, coming in as, like, an outsider almost. And the fans for Bravo are really scary. Like, they just care a lot, which I love. They're zealots, and I wanted to do a good job, you know? So that was probably the last time I was really, truly nervous about something. I had a blast. Oh, and it's so many people was at the Javits Center.

[B]

It was huge, that business.

[A]

Then the year after was in Vegas, and I wasn't gonna go, but, like, I got a couple of brand deals and the trip sort of paid for itself. Thanks, State Farm. So I went and I just, like, I don't even know what I did. I didn't host a panel. And it was super fun. If you're a Bravo fan, like, it's really fun.

[B]

Yeah, it seems amazing. It's like the super bowl for women.

[A]

And it's really well executed. Like, I don't know. I mean, they have a ton of brand sponsors. It must be like a $10 million event. Like, just the sheer amount of thought put into things. Like, I actually really appreciate. And as a fan now, I'm really looking forward to, like, all the Watch what happens lives. All the things we're going to be able to watch on tv.

[B]

Well, it's crazy because we've been watching Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, and I keep watching it and being like, I can't believe I'm not watching Bravo right now. That's how good this is.

[A]

So Hulu. Jackie and I have recently been talking about, like, the. The landscape of reality TV and how Hulu Slay era. I know everyone has their eras. Like, Netflix had it for a while with, like, Love is Blind, Too hot to handle Perfect Match. But I do feel like they never, like, evolve. They sort of rest on the laurels of season one.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Love is blind. Whereas we've got Love Thy Nader, we've got Kardashians, we've got Sex Lives of Mormon Wives, all on Hulu.

[B]

Wow. It's actually un real. Wait, what? Oh, Peacock. Love Islands on Peacock.

[A]

Have you been watching what the is the show called Succession Girl on Peacock. Do you know what I'm talking about?

[B]

Oh, no, but everyone's talking about it, and it's like, Big little Lies.

[A]

Yes, yes. It's like she gets kidnapped the Spoiler alert. The kid gets kidnapped.

[B]

I assume that happens in, like, the first episode, three minutes.

[A]

How the show kicks off. She goes to pick up her kid from a playdate based on a true story. The kid isn't there.

[B]

Come on.

[A]

Such a good show. It's all her fault. That's what it's called. Highly recommend.

[B]

I don't like that because I think it's going to encourage people to be more like helicopter parenty and safety est and.

[A]

Oh, that's interesting.

[B]

And we need to like, like, move away from that. Move away from that because, like, it is very unlikely that your kid is going to get kidnapped.

[A]

You know, knock what you know can never be too safe. Do you.

[B]

Do you have, like, terror having a.

[A]

Yes, I am. Even before I became a mom. I'm an extremely scared person. I'm afraid of the dark. I'm afraid of being alone. I'm never home alone. I watched a lot. I blame it on the fact that I watched a lot of Law and Order growing up and I just saw like a lot of really crazy, dark things that don't really happen that much. I saw them almost on a daily basis and I shouldn't have been watching so much SVU and such a.

[B]

When your brain was like, literally oatmeal.

[A]

A sponge. Right. So that's why I blame. So I'm just like an extremely, extremely scared person. I also never lived alone. You know, I went from the house that I grew up in to living with Ben. So, like, I get really, really scared all the time. Like, I always think there's a murderer in the closet. Because there is. And it's definitely not gotten better.

[B]

Yeah. Yes. Having a kid.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wait, can we go back to fans for a second? Yeah. Because I don't want to blow smoke up your ass, but. No, blow the toasters that come up to old Susan. The only people come up to me in public really are toasters.

[A]

Well, would you say you're like a front facing person? You write a lot.

[B]

I write a lot, but I'm not on camera. Right. But I guess I just didn't know how many toasters there were. When I tell you clean, poised, courteous, nice, rich. I mean, rich girls coming up to me. You were so great. It's so good to see you. Enjoy your meal. Just like nice, normal interaction. I'm sure people come up to you all the time in public. I don't know how you, like, feel about it.

[A]

Oh, live for. I can't get enough of it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Doesn't want that anyone who says that is a liar.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. It's like, I love you so much. It's like, stop.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I need my private.

[A]

What I could live without, though, is someone be like, I don't really know you, but my roommate loves you. I'm like, okay, well, thanks.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[A]

That's really sweet. Oh, that's.

[B]

Sometimes people come up to me and they're like, I read so much crazy stuff about Barry, and it's like, yeah.

[A]

Like, that's really nutty.

[B]

It's like they're not offering the compliment, but you're kind of, like, poised to say thank you, but it's. There was nothing to say, and you're.

[A]

Just like, sort of, like, hard smiling.

[B]

Yeah. I'm just like.

[A]

It's like a meaningless, like.

[B]

Yeah. Or my roommate hates you, and it's like, perfect. Perfect. Thank you.

[A]

Thanks so much. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

[B]

Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

[A]

The best show on tv, hands down. I'm. I want to say, like, four episodes in, and it's so funny. I have such a warm feeling in my heart about the show. I watched season one when it came out and loved it, and then season two came out right as I gave birth. And it really was the show that helped me get through, like, those first two really hard weeks of breastfeeding. I just would put it on and a whole episode would go by and I'd be like, oh, my God, I did it. Like, I feel like it. I. I actually, like, love the show for that reason. In addition to it just being, like, an amazing show. And now I love that J. Jackie's having that same experience. She hasn't started yet 3, but season 3 is coming out the exact time she gave birth.

[B]

Awesome.

[A]

And so I just love these women. I love the show. And. Oh, my God, like, just when you think they can, they do.

[B]

I mean, I imagine it's what a man feels watching, like, the Chicago bulls in the 90s or whatever. Right, Right. This is Picasso painting.

[A]

Like, it does not get better as it was happening.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

This is solar eclipse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like this reality tv. Because I feel like. Like, let's not forget we were kind of in a dark age. Definitely with Real Housewives of New York the last season before they cleared the decks. Carol Raswell's whole plot point was that she ran a marathon that would not even make it in to the credits.

[A]

No, there's definitely, like, have been peaks and valleys of reality to me, specifically Bravo, even though Bravo doesn't get enough credit for, like, inventing this whole universe.

[B]

Some real.

[A]

There have been lulls and I think some shows like the scandal was huge. Blake Vanderpumpers have been dead for two years. So, like, yes, I agree. The Mormon women who work so hard, like they have taken and they've leveled everyone up. Like certain shows are not cutting it anymore. Do you see what the Mormon lives were Mormon lives, wives, women are doing, you know?

[B]

Yeah, exactly. It's like it, like you need to get divorced but have it all on air. I mean, you saw in the episode, Jesse's whole family is waiting downstairs as her and her, as her and Jordan are deciding to take a break. And it's like, this is crazy.

[A]

So that's what I want to talk about because. And you know, that's actually a great segue into our first story, which I just chose a random story because I want to talk about the secret lives of Mormon wives. Susie Weiss, are you ready for the fast five stories?

[B]

I am.

[A]

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[B]

His last name was actually. Yeah, and I'm Susie, redhead.

[A]

Like, sorry, I'm turning, like, chocolate brown.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Jesse shared that she and Jordan are in a much better place. She said, we are back together. She told Elite Daily in an interview published November 14th. So what's today? Three days ago. All right. I guess that's, like, pretty recent. I thought it was like, a little bit later. Jesse and Jordan, who share two kids together, 5 and 2, said marriage is Hard relationships in general aren't easy. I just wanted to know that no matter what, whether we ended up together or not, I gave it my all. I can say I don't regret trying. She also recently told the News, I think a situation like ours is going to take time. It's not going to be something that's just amazing overnight. And a part of that process has been going to therapy.

[B]

So therapy factor so big in this show.

[A]

I know. Well, not it. Working on Ms. Taylor Frankie Paul, like, she's a healed individual.

[B]

Oh, when she. When she goes to Jesse, she's like, stay in your power at the. At the Hydro Jug. Brand activation.

[A]

I'm loving all the brand activation. I wonder if, like, the brands pay extra to be featured, even though it's becoming like a part of the storyline was like, well, we have Minky Couture event and then we have Jet Set by actor event. Like, I'm obsessed with the events. And that really is what, like, being an influencer is like. Like, your work is at night. And I'm loving it. But I do wonder if the brands have to pay extra to be featured on the show.

[B]

For sure, I would assume they have to pay extra to have a fight at their event, Right.

[A]

I mean, you're the Bloom Bar at the Hyd Drag event, right? No, but the Jet Set, when. When Demi was like, I'm going live, like, that was so crazy. And the producer had to talk to her. Like, that was great for Jet Set. What the is jetset? I almost googled it. Like, I got curious by Act Acta by Jet Set. I'm just really curious because I've posted about it on my Instagram about Jesse and Jordan, and I got, like, kind of split takes. What your take on the affair on him. The emotional abuse. Like, whose side are you on?

[B]

I'm on Jesse's side because she is such a girls girl. Like, any girl who does hair.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's just like, she is very loyal. I am on Taylor Frankie Paul's side that they shouldn't have invited Marciano brunette to dinner. And she's, like, doing her hair to meet Marciano in St. George. It's like, we've lost the plot.

[A]

So I'm 100% Team Jesse. Especially when she, like, told us about the emotional abuse, I was like, I feel like sometimes people use words that, like, certain words have lost their meaning because people are like, well, that's abuse. Well, it's not right. So when she said that, I was like, okay. I was like, let's See what she's talking about? And look, the second she said it, I'm like, oh, there is something so sinister and dark about him.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Especially the fact that she makes all the money, she cleans the house, she takes. She does. What the fuck does he do every day? Like, I don't know. The second she pointed it out, I'm.

[B]

Like, goes and works out with Dakota.

[A]

Correct. In his tank top.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, no, there's something extremely dark here. I really, really do not mess with him, like, at all. And, yes, I just need to say I'm 100% Team Jesse. But her behavior in St. George was really crazy. Like, getting all giddy and, like, meeting up with Marciano. And I like that they. That they brought on Marciano. Her determination to clear her name makes me believe her 100.

[B]

But it's like she's like, I need to clear my name and prove that I didn't have sex with him. Let's all take a lie detector test. I'm like, you're making this half the episode. Yeah.

[A]

Even though, like, I kind of like that lie detector woman who would not go on camera.

[B]

Oh, matters of national security. This show, every second is so busy. She goes, that's actually for batters of actual.

[A]

Everyone has this same lie detector. That guy, he does all these YouTubers, all the reality TVs, he's been on Kardashians. He did Lisa Vanderpump. Anyone who's ever taken a lie detector on test, it's that one guy with a mustache. He was on carpool karaoke, like, I.

[B]

Do you have you to ever take a lie detector test?

[A]

Not. Have you?

[B]

No. But they're not admissible in my court. They're not real.

[A]

So that's the. That's like, the kind of the unspoken thing happening here. They are not 100% valid. They're not admissible. It's not like you can't use it as evidence, right?

[B]

No, I don't think so.

[A]

Right. Because a true. They measured, like, your heart rate. A true sociopath can, like, stay calm and look like they're telling the truth.

[B]

But also, who is the television reality star if not a sociopath like her?

[A]

Right? So I agree with you. I'm so Team Jesse. But, like, honestly, she was being really crazy. And I have such mixed feelings because, like, up until this point, I really have not been riding for Macy and Michaela. I feel like they've been mean girls the whole time, and now everyone's like, they're mean girls. Well, it's like, actually, no, now I like them. Like, yeah. Because it means the right person. They're being me to Jordan. Like, I feel like the last two seasons, especially Michaela, she was so, like, what we call it fibus and a punum. Like, sour when she vibes.

[B]

Like, but she had, like, rosacea or something.

[A]

No, I know. I didn't mean in a physical sense. I meant more in, like. Like, the way her face is always, like, curmudgeony.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's so mean, too. And now everything. Michaela and Macy are mean girls. I'm like, well, yeah, we've been saying that the whole time, but now they're actually, like, putting their efforts.

[B]

They're using their powers for good.

[A]

Yes. And I hate Jordan, and I'm sorry. Him inviting everyone over to a barbecue at his house to get people on his side at a house that he didn't pay for. And meat that he didn't pay for. Tank top that was too small.

[B]

I was shook when Leila says, did you rent this out for the afternoon?

[A]

Oh, I'm. I don't even think she meant it to be so, like, that was the most funny thing, like, fell out of her mouth.

[B]

Ben.

[A]

Ben was, like, not watching. He was, like, scrolling on his phone. I went like, oh. He was like, what's wrong? I'm like, no. That was just so crazy. Crazy.

[B]

And she.

[A]

I feel like up until this point, her presence on the show has kind of felt random.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She doesn't know who she is. She's so young. She's a mom of two. And I think when she came on the show, she was 21. Like, that's fudgeing crazy.

[B]

Her body is.

[A]

Oh, my God. I feel sick watching the show as a postpartum woman. Like, it's not right.

[B]

Leila's body is unbelievable. It's like, oh, supermodel just walked in. It's unbelievable.

[A]

Insane. I feel like I could throw up every time I see her. But I feel like this year, she really is, like, stepping her pussy up. She's been amazing.

[B]

She's putting her whole Busy.

[A]

Yes. I love how loyal she's been to Jesse. She brought up that thing. And a lot of the women, like, claim to be loyal and then bring something up at a party and, like, whatever. She, like, pulled Jesse aside in the first episode, like, took her to the car, said, like, this. What Marciano saying, Like, I feel like she's been. She stood up really hard for Jesse against Demi, who showed up also with curly hair. I mean, people were joking online. It's like, she's not allowed to go to J.C. styles. So, like, she had to come up with her natural hair. I was cracking up. I need to get my hair done at Jaycee Styles.

[B]

What do you think about her dating her ex's brother? Oh, but you might not have gotten that far. Chase. I think his name is Chase.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Wait, who's dating Mason?

[A]

Layla's dating Layla. Likes Miranda's ex's brother. Right. And that's why she invited him to her party.

[B]

That was it.

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I thought he was cute. Like, I don't know these guys. Dad talk. Ben could not get over tadtalk. He was listening with half an ear. And when we sat down, he was like, we watched something else.

[B]

I'm like, no.

[A]

And he was like, okay, I'm gonna score my phone.

[B]

I'm like, okay, bye.

[A]

Have fun. Meanwhile, every 10 seconds, he's like, did they just say dad talk? That's so lame. I'm like, no. It's so embarrassing.

[B]

Do you think. How do you think Ben would fare in dad talk?

[A]

That's an amazing question.

[B]

I think he'd do great.

[A]

I think he would love it. He would love it 1,000%. Like, I think he would thrive. I don't know if he would feel good about being, like, part of an ensemble. Ben is very much like a star on his. But I think he would make it work just for the engagement, for the likes, for the followers.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Thousand percent.

[B]

It's the best. I honestly just hope Montauk could survive this.

[A]

It's unclear. Oh, and I also love how nobody's on the show. Like, literally there was three girls for the first couple of episodes. Finally, Miranda just got back in. No Jen, no Whitney. No to me.

[B]

Yeah. Cuz Jen moved to Arizona. But then she comes back.

[A]

She's coming back. She's like, back in the part that I'm up to. She's like, slowly coming back into the fold. I'm actually really like, her.

[B]

Jen Affleck.

[A]

Yeah. She just has, like, a chip on her shoulder about the fact that, like, everyone was talking about her marriage and, like, Jesse was going through this thing in private.

[B]

Well, because she sort of did. She was like, I'm a perfect Mormon wife, but, like, it wasn't. And Zach was like, we need to be more decent.

[A]

And I feel like it all happened on camera. So I don't know how she expected us not to talk about it.

[B]

The whole thing was insane.

[A]

But I do think Jesse's, like, actually being really mature and, like, when they had that Conversation at. I forget what event it was. I. I thought the way, like, she handled herself was, like, I was projecting. I'm really sorry. She kind of disarmed Jen, who was, like, gonna come after her. Yeah, the professional reality star, that Jesse.

[B]

Oh, she's unbelievable. She's going places.

[A]

So do you watch. Speaking of Mormons, do you watch Sister Wives ever?

[B]

Sister Wives?

[A]

This guy.

[B]

Oh, my. I. I recognize that guy, but I'm not.

[A]

You're missing out.

[B]

I'm not from. What was that big show? It was almost like Sopranos level, how much people loved it. Big love. Yes.

[A]

I never watched it. That was more. That was a scripted version of. I think with this unscripted. I. I highly recommend. If you ever want to go down, like, a really dark hole, check out Sisterized. They have, like, 30 seasons on TLC, and it actually. It's recently taken a turn, and it's true.

[B]

Plural marriage.

[A]

Yes. It's the ugliest man you've ever seen with four wives.

[B]

Are they polygamous?

[A]

They're polygamous. And they had to, like, flee. I forget where they lived. I think it was in Utah, where polygamy is actually illegal. And they were, like, living in secret. Only one of them is, like, legally married to him, the first wife. And then the rest were just like, you know, in God's eyes.

[B]

Are they Mormon?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Why are Mormons so good at this?

[A]

They're fun. Yes. I know bloggers and reality stars. Mormons make the best.

[B]

I think Mormons are just kind of good at everything right now. Like, they're very. It's a very similar to Judaism, like, a really kind of, like, cohesive community.

[A]

And I think people also just find it interesting.

[B]

Yeah. They're so fascinated by it. And it's like, what? You built a city and it's like, it's an American religion. So is reality tv.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So it's like the two American religions coming together.

[A]

And am I also right in thinking it is also one of the newer religions in terms of, like, how long it's been around?

[B]

Yeah, I think, like, 18. Like Joseph Smith. Right.

[A]

Who was, like, low key, like, not that long ago.

[B]

No. And he buried the.

[A]

The Book.

[B]

The tablets. Yeah, the tablets. Then he lost them.

[A]

And then, of course, the Book of Mormon, which was, I think, huge for, like, American interest in the religion in general.

[B]

It was so good. But they're very like. Yeah, I just like them. And I think it's part of their religion to, like, present their lifestyle in a positive way. So there's kind of Like a religious aspect to the whole thing. Yeah.

[A]

It's also interesting how Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and Secret Lives and Mormonwives are so different when they're essentially the same show.

[B]

So different.

[A]

Like a group of Mormon women or ex Mormon, all with complicated relationships to the church. But the shows, like, seriously could not be more different. And the byproducts of each show, like Lisa Barlo. She's not like anyone on Secret Lives.

[B]

Oh, wait, who am I thinking? Who's the Jewish one on Meredith Marks. Meredith Marks. We love Lisa Barlo. We also. We do.

[A]

We do. She is Jewish. Converted to Mormon. Yes.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, so let's do. Now that we're speaking of Bravo, let's do a little Bravo Con recap. A couple of things happened. A lot that I find uninteresting, but a couple that I don't. Vicki Gomilson has been offered her orange back. So they brought her out on stage, offered her orange, said, would you like to come back? When she left, it was such a big deal. She was like, I think one of the first. No, maybe Nina Leaks, but, oh, geez, to be let go. And she also did not go quietly. She was really nasty at the reunion, but they saw her back. County, Orange County.

[B]

The original, original.

[A]

The original, original OG the news was delivered by Andy Cohen during the taping of the Bravos, which is like an award show they do at Bravo Con on Friday. And while Vicki was on stage, Angie made a surprise appearance, presented her with an orange, and asked vicki, would you join us as a housewife? It kind of feels like she's been inducted as a member into the Grand Old Opry. When they, like, surprise you and they're like, will you become a member of the Gnollopride? It's like this big, stupid thing.

[B]

It's funny.

[A]

Then they should make that a tradition at, like, the Bravos of, like, giving someone their orange back. I feel like actually OC Is a unique franchise because it could have gone the way of New York and Jersey. One of the OG Franchises where some of the women sort of just like, phased out, but they, like, before, almost before they got to that place, they brought back a couple of old people, they got some newer people, and they kind of saved the show. I don't consider it one of, like, the Duds, but they got very close.

[B]

But that's sort of how they did with Beverly Hills.

[A]

Yes. Like, when they brought back Heather Dubrow, I feel like that was really, like, helped a lot. They got a lot of new, interesting women and Then, like, Gina and Emily, who I know people, like, hate and love. They are good reality stars. So I feel like OC Was really unique in the sense that they didn't fall off the cliff that Jersey and New York fell off of. I don't know at this current state, like, what Vicky is going to do for the franchise, but it's good for morale.

[B]

Yeah. Does she accept?

[A]

Yeah, of course. Oh, my God, Imagine if she didn't. I love that. I wonder if she knew.

[B]

I'm sure she knew because they have to organize the contracts ahead of time.

[A]

Right? Right.

[B]

Well, that's another interesting aspect of all of these shows, is that they're now talking about the contracts.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And it's like, it used to be that those things were separate. Like, early Kardashians. They would never really talk about, like, their brand. Deals, deals. It was like a mortgage. That's how I feel. My. My healing journey.

[A]

I'm cracking up. But you're right, it was, like, sort.

[B]

Of unspoken, and now it's, like, part of the season. Like, Whitney's like, oh, yeah, I'm only filming because one of our cast members was offered Dancing with the Stars. And, like, I wanted a. A role on a scripted show. The whole thing. It's so interesting.

[A]

I love that, like, the breaking of the fourth wall. I feel like reality shows should have done that years ago, and anytime they'd ever done it, like, when Kourtney and Kim got in that crazy, huge fight and the makeup was on the wall and they had to, like, cut the cameras, it felt so real. Like. And it's real ality tv. Like, let's do more of that. I agree. And I love how every season of the Mormon Wives starts off with, like, some women missing because they're clearly negotiating their contracts.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Differently. And I find it interesting that they don't all negotiate together.

[B]

I know, but it's also, like, don't.

[A]

You understand that the show, it's potatoes, small potatoes compared to what they do, the platform that it gives you.

[B]

Exactly. But it's like, there's, like, so many entities. There's the church, there's the show, and there's mom talk, and these are all, like, kind of loosely defined institutions that they're, like, kind of working part of.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But yeah, she's like, she's not part of the show, but she is part of mom talk or whatever it is.

[A]

Right. What does that mean? Like, how do. How does one differentiate? How can you be in Mom Talk but not on the show?

[B]

I think Taylor, Frankie, Paul, decides whether or not you're in Mom Talk, and the Hulu producers decide whether you're not on the show, and God decides whether or not you're in the church.

[A]

I love that. That's really beautiful. I do find it interesting that she's very much still the leader of Mom Talk. Yeah. And, like, nothing will change that. Do you know what I mean? Because she also doesn't give a fuck.

[B]

She's an incredible leader.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They should put her in Ukraine.

[A]

What do you make of her as the Bachelorette love? Yeah.

[B]

I. It's also a lot of crossover. It's like that coming along is crushing. Yeah.

[A]

The way that they throw the Dancing with the Stars girls, the Mormon Lives girls onto ABC for Dancing with the Stars.

[B]

They bring in the Vanderpump.

[A]

The Vayner girls are now at the events with the Mormon girls. The synergy is synergizing, and it's beautiful to see.

[B]

It is absolutely synergizing. Taylor, Frankie, Paul is going to make an amazing bachelorette. I also love, like, a Bachelorette with kids.

[A]

Yes. Dynamic.

[B]

Yeah. Interesting. They can bring in Dakota for, like, a day. It's like.

[A]

I know, but, like, watch the Nader show. Love thy Nader. No. It's incredible.

[B]

But they were influencers to reality show models.

[A]

Model slash.

[B]

Because I feel like that doesn't usually work. It did not work with the d'. Amelios.

[A]

Okay. Let me tell you, when the show came out, I was like, like, literally, who cares? Like, I like Brook Sander. She's, like, a pretty model, but, like, what do I care about her family for?

[B]

Put my feet here.

[A]

Yes, of course. Please, this is not my couch. Please watch a show. You will love it.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's four sisters.

[B]

No way.

[A]

You're four sisters, too.

[B]

You're four sisters.

[A]

I'm four sisters, too.

[B]

But you're two.

[A]

I'm number three. Jackie's two. I know. You thought Jackie was one.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

It's four sisters. Brooks is the oldest, and she's, like, clearly the most successful. But the other three are the most drop dead gorgeous, skinny, perfect people you've ever seen in your life. And they're all are, like, aspiring models, and they're all sort of, like, giving up. Up. They're very smart. They were raised in Baton Rouge like a very religious, strict household. But the parents have sort of let go. The parents are a part of the show. The parents are hilarious. You know, one of them went to medical school, but they're all sort of, like, giving up these big things. They were valedictorians for this influencer lifestyle. You're watching them, like, slowly drop every part of their former life. They move to this big apartment in New York. They're all, like, trying to get contracts. Brooks is this huge model. They're all fighting with each other. They take Ozempic like, it's insane.

[B]

It shows them taking, though well.

[A]

So it was a big storyline that Brooks was like. Like, they all dabble. You know, when they have a big shoot coming up, you know, they're like, we know it's toxic. Like, this is what it takes in the industry. And, like, I lost 30 pounds. Like, you would have seen me before thinking I had no weight to lose. And everyone kept telling me in the industry I was too fat. And, like, this is what it takes. And she did. Overnight, she became a huge model. And so there's an episode where Books is, like, clearly taking too much because she's about to be Maxim covergirl of the year. So she's about to shoot it and she's, like, shooting up so much. She's, like, fainting in the bathtub. And, like, she went to a workout class and, like, seriously, like, almost thrust up. And so it's like that episode of.

[B]

Full House where DJ Tanner passes out on the elliptical.

[A]

Oh, my God. Niche reference.

[B]

You did not pass out on an elliptical. It's not that hard.

[A]

No, 1,000%. But also, that episode was so crazy.

[B]

No, it, like, touched me. It was one of those things where it's like, oh, never gonna forget this. No.

[A]

It's so funny how, like, there. How many seasons of Full House are there? A million. I could not name one thing that happens in one episode of Full House ever. Except when dj, like, becomes anorexic. And, like, how we were all supposed to be, like, deeply moved by that when she was also.

[B]

I was.

[A]

I think she was supposed to be like, the fat character. She was so normal looking, like, completely. She just had, like, little, like, chubby cheeks. Like, Bab thought she was, like, 12. It's actually insane how that episode is seared into the memory of every millennial woman. I love that she passes out at.

[B]

The gym because it was weird. That you were outside the house too, in that show is weird.

[A]

And also, how did she get into the gym as a 12 year old? Like, I don't think that you can, like, as a minor go into a gym.

[B]

It was the 90s. It's. It was the 90s. Love that.

[A]

More Bravo. Con news is like, everyone's eating it up, and I don't want to Be negative, but I'm just not buying it. Teresa Giudice has allegedly made up with her brother. They had this, like, big reunion. I saw it on Instagram. They were taking pictures together, and I was like, wait, is that Melissa and Lisa? Then I saw this video at, like, one of the booths. It's funny. They have, like, at. At Bravo Con, this, like, huge room. They take one of the big convention rooms and they break it up into stalls where it's kind of like a trade show. You, like, walk around at a trade show and you try new products.

[B]

The bizarre. The Bravo Bazaar.

[A]

Yes. Where everybody comes because everybody has a brand, where they literally set up tables and they, like, sell their merch, sell their candles, sell, you know, hair extensions, whatever it is. And it's so funny. And I believe it took place at the bazaar where everybody was standing around, like, looking at, taking pictures, filming Teresa and Joe. And they hugged. There was another third person there. I have no idea who it was. They hugged. They were like, we love, love, love, love, love, love. And then they posted a bunch of pictures on Instagram. The fans are eating it up. Gia's commenting. There was rumors that Gia and her uncle had made up. So now it appears as though, like, all is well. Now, while that's beautiful, this is, you know, a family business. We love family. The way. I'm not buying this for shit. The Real houses in New Jersey has been put on indefinite hiatus.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And a lot of that has to do with the fact that the women wouldn't film with each other. Mostly Teresa and Melissa. Mostly Teresa. More than Meliss.

[B]

I wasn't so plugged into this one. Melissa and Teresa are sisters in law.

[A]

Sister in law.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So Teresa's brother is Melissa's wife, husband, and the show. Like, I think if you're a cast member like you, you do blame Melissa and Teresa. Like, these women are now out of a job because the show doesn't know where to go. They won't be in the same room together. The last reunion was so hostile. And this is a franchise that has, like, repeatedly gotten physical. So, like, they can't really keep doing what they're doing without something happening. But now it's like, okay, great. Look, you took it too far and you ruined it for the rest of us. Nobody's filming, nobody has a job, nobody's making any money. And think that these women, especially Teresa, rely so much on the money from the housewives because Teresa is one of the OGs. She probably makes like, $2 billion a season. Like, she's really high paid. Not all the women make that, but she makes more than. Because it's like a seniority thing.

[B]

Her husband have to like leave the country or something.

[A]

Well, her. Her ex husband was deported. He lives in the Bahamas now. He went to jail. She went to jail for his crimes as well. And then when he got out of prison, they were like, psych, you're being deported because you are from Italy.

[B]

What flavor?

[A]

Crime. Crime. You know, white collar.

[B]

Like Jen Shaw. Like taking advantage of senior citizens.

[A]

No, actually. And that's why I don't hate Teresa Judas as much as I hate Jen Shot. Teresa stole from the government.

[B]

Oh, okay. Victimless, right?

[A]

Literally victimless. Crime. Jen shot was out here defrauding the elderly and vulnerable communities. So these two making up, I think, like, for like Bravo fans, it's like everyone's eating it up. I'm just letting you know I'm not buying it for shit.

[B]

Okay, you heard it here first.

[A]

No, no, it's just so fraudulent and like doing it in front of all the fans.

[B]

Like, please. It's. They're doing it. They're going to do it. They're going to re up the show. Or Teresa is just going to get an own show with her family and then it'll be her.

[A]

Andy was asked because, you know, they also have a red carpet where like every reporter. Now they have influencers on there too, which I love. People who have like, Bravo, Tik Toks. Someone asked Andy, what do you make of it? And the way he was so done with these people, like, you should see. And Andy's like, not a person who can hide his emotions. Like, if somebody comes on Watch Shop and obviously doesn't like you, like, you can tell in a second. Like, he's very emotive. And he was like, like, it's great. Like, it's just great. Like, he doesn't give a. He's like, I hope it's real. And he said, I hope they're doing it for them. And they're not. Like, they're doing it for money. They're doing it for the show. I love that Andy clocked it. And he's not like, faking it with them. They're so it gets fraudulent. Sorry. Too little, too late. Our third and final Bravo con little subset. Kathy Hilton had the security tag on her outfit. She bought a $2,000 Alice jacket walking around with a security tag. Do you think Kathy Hilton stole the jacket?

[B]

No chance.

[A]

I think she probably got it for free because she's friends with the Alice. Yeah. And her Daughters are, too. I feel like Nikki Hilton, like, just did a collab. So I think they. I think this was just, like, an oversight, like an assistant who's obviously getting fired.

[B]

But it's like, Kathy Hilton is so rich. Like, she. She doesn't. Kathy Hilton's not touched her own cash in years.

[A]

And if another housewife, like, had the tag and security tag on her jacket. The finances of so many housewives are so precarious. You would say, oh, they stole it. Very Wendy Osefo, who's just been indebted for insurance fraud. God, with Kathy, you're right. She's so wealthy, you wouldn't even think for a second that she stole the jacket.

[B]

No, she. She just, like, forgot to tell someone else to pay for the jacket. Or like, she. She didn't even know she was wearing a jacket. Remember when she was doing the caviar on the baked potato? That's when, you know, it's like, this woman does not. She's a jetpack, and we all have horse and buggies like this.

[A]

She's living on another. They say, like, tax bracket, but, like, another tax planet.

[B]

Yeah, it is a tax planet. I. Yeah, I. That's also someone to me, where it's like. Like, you don't need the show. The Mormon wives. A lot of the other housewives need.

[A]

The show, and it makes it a complicated relationship that they have with the show. But Kathy's free.

[B]

Kathy's very free. Sometimes it makes for good tv, and sometimes it's like she's kind of Gray Gardens, kind of like.

[A]

And I wish she, like, cared a little bit more because there would be a couple of episodes where we don't even see her, and it's like, girl, no, no, we need you.

[B]

Yeah, we need. Yeah.

[A]

Desperately.

[B]

She's the grand dame.

[A]

How do you. What do you make of the dynamic, another sisterly dynamic between Kyle and Kathy and how Kathy came on the show at the very, like, randomly at the end and doesn't really give much, but is beloved more than Kyle has probably ever been loved. And I think the show was also a huge reason for her issues with her sister Kim. And now Kathy comes on and just, like, is beloved and doesn't even have to try. Do you think that that kind of puts Kyle on the balls of her ass a little bit? Like, how do you think she feels about it?

[B]

There's so many sister dynamics because there's also Paris and Nikki. Nikki.

[A]

Yep. And the cousins.

[B]

And the cousins. Yeah. I think, basically, I think Kyle got the brunt of the like, you aren't taking care of me correctly and you aren't being loyal enough to me from Kim. And then Kathy kind of got off scot free. But maybe it's because she sort of like, Kim doesn't have as much access to her. Yeah, because she's so rich.

[A]

Did you ever watch the scripted show that Kyle Richards created about. About their childhood and like her based off of her mom, which. Which resulted in Kathy and Kim not speaking to Kyle for many years?

[B]

No. Why didn't they speak to her for years?

[A]

It was a one season show that Kyle, like, produced, wrote and whatever and sold to the Paramount network, your parent company. One season canceled after one season. And it was about like, their mom, inspired by their mom. And Kathy and Kim did not like, like the concept of their mom being a. A character on this show or her life. And it was actually the mom was played by Alicia Silverstone. It was so weird.

[B]

What was the deal with the mom? Was she like a fame monster?

[A]

She wasn't a fame monster, but she was like a stage mom because they all got into, you know, acting very early on and she died very young. And she was like, fabulous young woman in this, like, LA lady. I never watched a show, so I can't really tell you more.

[B]

And Kyle was like, I'm honoring her. And they're like, you're airing the dirty lottery.

[A]

Exactly, exactly. And also like, they weren't involved. And I think they just feel protective over their mom's legacy, which is understandable.

[B]

I think if someone really objects to it in the family.

[A]

You can't.

[B]

You can't out because it's. Because it's mining their own past. It's not like, hey, we disagree with what you're saying about a separate issue. It's like, well, she's her own person. She's allowed to do whatever she wants.

[A]

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With Brain Edge, it's Nature Sunshine and they're offering 20 off your first order plus free shipping. Go to naturesunshine.com use code toast@ checkout. That's code T O A s [e-mail] and then the product that I'm referring to that helps with with, you know, energy that helps with focus, clarity, memory is called Brain Edge and you can get [e-mail] and use our code Toast T O A S T at checkout for 20% off your first order plus free [e-mail] I would love your take on this next story because it's about Britney Spears. So over the weekend she Made a lot of news because she was hanging out with the Kardashians. They were all, like, laying in bed together, taking pictures, videos, and, like, it was, you know, if you don't know what's going on, like, it looked cute. So I want to get your take on it, but I also want to get your take on Britney in general. Like, and, you know, ask the big sort of hard question, should we have freed Britney?

[B]

No.

[A]

No. I don't disagree.

[B]

Britney does not. Okay, wait, let's do it part by.

[A]

Part, because I'm curious.

[B]

There's so much to say about this.

[A]

Because she's clearly unwell, but so was the system in place, like, the. The people involved, everyone's stealing money from. It wasn't the right conservatorship. But that's not to say that a conservatorship wouldn't have benefited her had it been, you know, an ethical one.

[B]

Yeah. It should not have involved her father. It should not have involved her being forced to take lithium. Take lithium. Perform. Right. I mean, I know we got. If you seek Amy out of this.

[A]

Yeah. Right.

[B]

And I would be. I mean, it's like, it would be a huge cultural loss if we didn't have it.

[A]

And so much of the footage of her dancing at the Vegas residency while she was, like, just churning out, and she was, like, sort of a robot, but it was iconic. I agree. It's very complicated.

[B]

You better work, bitch. That's also starting the conservatorship.

[A]

Yeah, it's like.

[B]

Like, should we not. It's like when Michael Jackson comes on or something. It's like those songs from Britney's conservatorship. Like, were these made under duress?

[A]

Okay, that's actually a really interesting take that. I want to just table for one second, and then I want to talk to you about that. So if I don't bring it back up, please bring up Michael Jackson again.

[B]

Okay. Because he has a new. There's a new biopic coming out about him. It's like Biopic City. Okay. Yeah. Brittany, the Sleepover, the Kardashians, the Sleep under, because, you know, no one slept over. They got picked up at ted.

[A]

It's actually insane, though, the amount of people they, like, let in their beds. Like, they're. They're always putting their shoes on in their beds. Like, they're.

[B]

I think it's show beds, actually.

[A]

That's a great comment.

[B]

I would be surprised if they had, like, a showroom bedroom, because they have, like. They show other fronts of houses and stuff.

[A]

It's a set.

[B]

They are bed family, which I really like. Are you guys a bed?

[A]

Oh, we invented the bed. Like I do everything from bed. We're all always in bed together. Like bed is everything.

[B]

Were the in laws like, whoa, this is a lot of bed.

[A]

That's a good question. Because if you're not from a bed family, it's very shocking to see people in bed all the time. Like you're like, like the grandfather or.

[B]

Like a whole family. Yeah, it's Willy Wonka Wonka.

[A]

Yeah, like it's shocking. That's so funny. I think that's a great question. I do believe bed doesn't come from a bed family, but they're bed friendly. Bed friendly, bed adjacent. So I don't think it was a huge shock for them.

[B]

That's good. My.

[A]

I have a bed family.

[B]

Major bed.

[A]

I feel like if you have a lot of siblings who are all the same gender, you have like no choice to be like a bed, bathroom door open family.

[B]

Well, that's what I was going to say about Jackie's third son because it's like at this point it's like, I frankly think it's inappropriate to have different genders in the same family. It's like brothers and sisters. Like, that's weird. Choose. Yeah. So I'm really happy for her. Britney Spears boy mom like Jackie.

[A]

Yes. I love the parallel you're drawing.

[B]

Very fraught relationship with the kids. Hasn't seen them in a while. I think they, they live with K Fed.

[A]

Yeah. And what do you make of K Fed? Because I'm always on here like getting shit for defending Kay Fed because it's like, yeah, say what you want. He's an unemployed couch potato who cashes Britney's checks. But like he's bathing the kids. Like he has actively been fathering alone for many years. So like while. Yeah, he's probably thirsty and writing a book about whatever. I kind of believe what he says.

[B]

I for sure believe.

[A]

And there's something to be said for like the active parent for the last 10 years, like 20. This was. I know they were like 20. I know 21. And so he's writing a book and he had alleged that Britney was doing cocaine while breastfeeding the kids. I mean, which is such an insane accusation.

[B]

That's really, really crazy.

[A]

Really.

[B]

Also because it's like, like we can't prove it. Like no one can go back and say that it didn't happen at that point.

[A]

Maybe breast is not best, you know? Right.

[B]

Maybe go for the bottle at that point.

[A]

Maybe speak to the formula.

[B]

Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, like, look, am I sure that he acted grossly and everyone was, like, literally a vampire around her in that time? Yes. Do I think either the fame broker or there was something broken in her beginning that was exacerbated by becoming that famous also? Yes.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Weirdly, I think the shaving of the head was the most sane thing she's ever done because it was one of those things where it's like, there's so much pressure around me. I am being forced to perform. Like, what if I do this? You know what I mean? Like, now, now you can't monetize me.

[A]

No. And it was the craziest thing at the time. Right now it's literally not that crazy. And if any celebrity do it, we'd be like, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. Amazing. Yeah. Bob. We love your little Bob. It's like, no pixie.

[A]

Cut.

[B]

Do you think. Think there's, like, a genuine friendship between.

[A]

No. So they're in the bed. It's Chloe, it's Kim, it's Britney, and it's Kate Hudson, who's Britney's manager, and I think close friends of the Kardashians.

[B]

It feels like Kate Hudson is Brittney's manager, not Kate.

[A]

C, A, D, E. A man.

[B]

Okay, okay, okay.

[A]

He is Britney's manager and longtime friend, and he's just, like, kind of a man about town in Hollywood. And I feel like the Kardashians were like, we want to meet Britney. And Kate was like, sure. Look, let's all hang out and just sort of facilitated this hangout. I would love to know if they were filming for the show.

[B]

I mean, the Kardashians are just always thinking 20 steps ahead.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That. I wonder if there's, like, a red carpet where they're all going to be referencing a Britney look and they wanted, like, her blessing or, like, Kim's gonna.

[A]

Be her lawyer, except at this rate, she didn't pass the bar, so.

[B]

I know.

[A]

What do you think of that?

[B]

I think she'll pass it the next time. I think she's so smart. I think she's so.

[A]

Is it true you only get, like, two or three chances? You can't take in it. It's not like the SATs. Like. Like, you can't take it an infinite amount of time.

[B]

I don't know. I've heard different things.

[A]

Yeah, like, it's different, but maybe because.

[B]

It'S the baby bar, it, like, counts as, like, a third. Like, it's.

[A]

It's not the baby bar. This was the real bar. She passed the baby bar.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Because she's on this, like, weird program where she's not going to law school. She has to take the baby bar and do this, like, apprenticeship. So so far she's been doing everything. And then she was eligible not to take the bar, and she did not pass.

[B]

But this is the first time she didn't pass the big, big daddy bar.

[A]

The first time she took it. And for some, she didn't pass.

[B]

Okay. I think there's going to be another shot for her.

[A]

No, I hope so.

[B]

I really hope so.

[A]

Because she said she's not giving up on the street.

[B]

And if Kim Kardashian wants it, Kim Kardashian gon get it.

[A]

It's true. She's nothing if not determined.

[B]

She is nothing if not determined. And it's. It's like she needs the opposite of a conservatorship.

[A]

She should be a conservator for Renee. Maybe that's what the meeting was about.

[B]

She'd be a great conservator for Britney.

[A]

She really would. So when you come to the free Britney question, where do you land?

[B]

I land that, like, yeah, there was. Was what we've seen post her being freed has not, like, it's like, made the case proven that the. The people who wanted to free Britney were right. And, like, I think every time she, like, does something bizarre, dances with knives or is naked on the thing or the baby that she took to Mexico that she had the security guard hold, it's like. And everyone's saying, like, you go, girl. You do exactly what you want. Like, you earned this. Like, she's just quirky. It's like, like, come on. Like, you're encouraging incredibly erratic and weird behavior.

[A]

Dangerous, too.

[B]

Yeah. And, like, undignified.

[A]

Yeah, No, I, I agree. I think at the time it felt right because having this woman, you know, sort she was, like, locked up, it felt so wrong. And I think very quickly after she was freed, the questions started pouring in, but it was like kind of this thing you couldn't say, you know? But now I feel like everyone's saying it. Like, it's really nutty, especially with, like, the allegations from Kevin Federline that I know a lot of people aren't taking seriously. But, like, I feel like they mean something.

[B]

No question. I didn't read Britney's memoir Woman of Me.

[A]

I wanted it, but I, like, do. But also, like, is it an accurate retelling of history? Because the woman who's dancing with the knives is the woman writing the story. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Right, right. Or like, someone else is piecing it together.

[A]

It had nothing to do with her, which is also possible. In that case, I'm also uninterested.

[B]

The whole thing is very, like, Amy Winehouse esque. Yeah.

[A]

It's just a train wreck.

[B]

It's.

[A]

Yeah, it's sad to watch, too.

[B]

It is really sad to watch. Jamie Lynn. That whole thing is great.

[A]

Oh, yeah, it is. Back to Michael Jackson. So when you were talking about how, like, music of. Of yore comes on and it's Michael Jackson, it's R. Kelly, it's people who have been, you know, Chris Brown.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Disgraced. What is your.

[B]

What's my response?

[A]

Response?

[B]

My response is it's a remix to a kitchen. Fresh out the kitchen. Yeah. Like, that is my response, because it's like, like, what are we gonna do?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like, I think often, like, amazing art is made by terrible people. And I don't think those things are unconnected, unfortunately.

[A]

Yeah. And actually something I was really struck by in the R. Kelly documentary because his. Everyone's crimes were so horrible, but R. Kelly's were particularly disturbing. Like, you know, the kidnapping of women. And it was like, not only was it the abuse, but it was also like the cult and all these, like, young, beautiful girls whose lives were stolen from them and their parents, like, are mourning them even though they're alive. Like, it was really crazy. And then a lot of, like, the experts that they brought on to say was, like, it's really hard to stop listening to R. Kelly because the type of music that he made is music that is used almost exclusively at, like, celebratory events. Like, the World's Greatest. I Believe I Can Play. It's in church. It's at their anthems, communions, it's at bar mitzvahs, Ignition, Particularly in the black community. These songs just sort of are emblematic of, like, big life events, sweet sixteens, and so it's almost impossible to extradite. Is that the word? The music from your life. And so that's not my experience. Like Michael Jackson. I don't listen to a lot of Michael Jackson. I also don't go out of my way, like, yeah, I'm gonna go to a wedding.

[B]

And it's. It's gonna. It's gonna. It's gonna be playing.

[A]

But I'm trying to think if there are people I like, I like Chris Brown, like, I. I will actually not listen. Like, I will go out of my way to not listen to.

[B]

I I don't even know a Chris Brown song.

[A]

But I. A couple of good ones. I can't lie.

[B]

If someone was like, like, will you give me $5? Because then height. It will go directly to the hand of Chris Brown. I'd be like, I'm good. But, like, will my listening to a Chris Brown or R. Kelly song or am I not listening to it undo what they did?

[A]

No, no, that's true. So, like, why should you suffer?

[B]

Yeah, exact. Well, spe. I mean, I think it's funny too, because, like, certain people, you're like, I'm taking a stand. And then other people's like, well, Michael, it's everywhere.

[A]

Well, so that's. That's what I'm always saying on the toast. Don't ever be like, well, Claudia, that's hypocritical of you because you'll listen to everybody sex. Yes. I'm a. I'm a complicated person.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

And I don't like to have, like, big grandiose statements about things like. And normalize changing your minds. Actually, I. I recently changed my Instagram bio, but for a couple of weeks, it was this. Strong opinions loosely held love. My friend Tinks taught me, which I love.

[B]

We love tanks.

[A]

Then I actually. I could not figure out an Instagram bio for myself. It was kind of this journey I was going on on the podcast and.

[B]

Are you sit. Like Ruby's mom? Like, please not.

[A]

I recently figured it out.

[B]

Out.

[A]

And I didn't even update everybody where I landed. So I just want to let everyone know my Instagram bio is now and will probably for the foreseeable future because I'm not somebody who likes to, like, change a lot. Like, once I find it, I find it. Your favorite podcasters, favorite podcast. I love. I hate that it's inspired by Chapel Ron, because she's genuinely insufferable grown. But whatever happened to her? Don't you feel like there was a time where we were just, like, talking about Chapel Roan all the time and now we're not?

[B]

Well, because it was like the paparazzi, the screaming at the thing. I'm happy Bobby Brown did.

[A]

I'm happy you're not. Now let's talk about Millie. Bobby Brown. Are you familiar with what's going on with Millie, Bob?

[B]

Well, I just saw that she was like, no, you smile to the paparazzi.

[A]

Okay. She's, like, having, like, a moment, but. So they had. They adopted a baby. Her and her adopted a baby? Yes. Like, just so random, out of the blue. I don't Think anybody's seen the baby? I don't know what the baby looks like. And now she's on press tour. She's all over the world because new season of Stranger Things is coming or has come, whatever. And so there's just like, a lot of footage of her, you know, going from the car to the hotel. You know, that's like classic paparazzi stuff. But now she's carrying the doona, the car seat. And so there was this video that went viral of her husband and her getting out of the car. Her husband's carrying nothing. She's carrying the diaper bag of backpack and the car seat. And I have that car seat, the doona. It weighs 38 pounds without the baby in it.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

So everybody's like, oh, he sucks. He's getting so much.

[B]

I saw a video after where she ran into the hotel and he was, like, wrestling with the duna.

[A]

So now everyone's joking like, you're never gonna see him without that baby ever again. Because every time they get out of the car now, he's gonna be carrying the car seat. Seat. So funny and so relatable. Because one thing about me, I'm not carrying the car seat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I am not carrying the car.

[B]

Yeah, that's not gonna happen.

[A]

It's like, as a mom, since becoming a mom, I've become stronger in so many ways, but I've become so much weaker, more in a physical sense and also emotional. Like, there's so many things I just cannot do.

[B]

But also, you, like, there's a division of labor, and you are doing a lot of things, and it's like, you're not a lot of so many tokens.

[A]

A lot of the manual labor is just, like, no longer my problem, nor my responsibility, nor am I capable of doing most of it.

[B]

Also, Ben's, like, big and tall. Like, he can carry, like, 15 dunas.

[A]

And just, like, make sure when you're planning your life with someone and say this to the listeners, like, make sure they can carry duna.

[B]

Yeah. Make sure they're big and tall.

[A]

Make sure they're being T1000%. Our fifth and final story is news that's, like, really only affecting me and, like, three of our listeners. But I feel like it needs to be said because I was going off on it. YouTube TV, like, could not reach an agreement with Disney. So, like, if you're a YouTube TV subscriber, like, you didn't get ESPN, you didn't get ABC, and you didn't get Disney. Everything that Disney owns and literally Jackie and I, actually, Jackie's husband Zach and I, like, we would not stop talking about this.

[B]

This is different than YouTube Premium.

[A]

Yes. So YouTube TV is for cord cutters. Like, it's cable.

[B]

Oh, it's cable.

[A]

It's cable, but, like, digital. And Jackie had it for so long, and I was like, that's so crazy that you don't have cable.

[B]

It's the rebundling of the unbundling.

[A]

Exactly. It's, like, moving forward, but also backwards. And they recently lost their contract with Disney, so, like, all sports and a lot of people have YouTube TV. It was kind of taking, like, the Internet by storm. Even though I feel like I'm literally the only person talking about it. But mostly because I couldn't watch Dancing with the Stars, so actually, you can watch Dancing with the Stars on Disney. I was. I have Disney. I was completely fine. But I just want to let everyone know, like, the dispute has ended and they've reached an agreement, and you can now watch Disney, ABC, and ESPN back on YouTube TV.

[B]

And are you going to cord cut from Disney?

[A]

No, because I don't Disney plus.

[B]

Oh. Oh.

[A]

So in my family, like, we all take on different things. I pay for Max.

[B]

Okay. Huge.

[A]

Which is a big one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Olivia. It's her Hulu Disney ESPN account. And let me tell you not to call out, Olivia, but, like, we're all responsible for the passwords, right? Right.

[B]

So if you.

[A]

So every. Like, every day, somebody writes in, hey, what's the Mac password? Hey, what's Hulu password? Olivia cannot keep her finger on the pulse of whatever she made the last password. And literally, our chat is every day, what's the Disney plus login? And we have to reset it. Loki. Olivia, Sorry to call you out. You suck at it. I have my Max password on lock. Anybody needs it, I've got it right there for you. What is Jackie made for?

[B]

Yeah, H. Lamar, Chapter six.

[A]

Well, no, I got them.

[B]

Three.

[A]

What does. Okay, Jackie's like, Loki not pulling her weight. No, that's my mom's. Like, Jackie's really not pulling her weight. I feel like she did have Discovery plus, but, like, they went out of business. Discovery. Peacock is. Yeah, Peacock is me.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Very interesting.

[B]

Here.

[A]

Do you have every single app? Do you pick and choose? Well, now that you've been acquired, like, you probably don't care, but before you got acquired.

[B]

Oh, like paying for the apps?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Before you got acquired, how did you handle all your streaming services?

[B]

Oh, it's total chaos guessing having to text people from high school. Haven't spoken to me, and I haven't spoken to. Just like, horrible. Ultimately breaking down and paying for it.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

Or starting free trials and then forgetting to do it. I mean, it's total chaos.

[A]

What did I start a free trial for that I have to cancel free form? No, it was an app. It wasn't like us. It was an app on my phone. I know what it was.

[B]

What was it?

[A]

It was Canva. I was making, like, a mood board, and I needed to, like, use one of the premium features. And it was like, 14, and I was like, you know what? It. I'll cancel it. It was 14 day free trial. 14. But I had to make sure to cancel before I get charged.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

I love making mood boards. Like, when I'm just, like, thinking about, like, redesigning my apartment, I'm like, how would all this furniture look together? And I have to put it on a mood board. But you have to erase the background.

[B]

Are you redesigning the apartment? No. Oh, okay. Perfect.

[A]

He's thinking about it.

[B]

You know, I am the creative director of the Free Press. And, like, I get the, like, like, urge of wives who wake up and they're like, I'm gonna redo the whole house.

[A]

Like, the whole office.

[B]

The whole. Or just the website?

[A]

The website.

[B]

Just, like, the whole look of it. I'm always kind of like, flirting with that.

[A]

As a user of many websites, can I tell you? Like, please don't do that.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

When websites, like, are constantly, like, changing moving buttons, it's, like, all the way off. You're making me not want to use your website anymore. Because the home button that was over here. You can change the aesthetic. Don't move the buttons. Like, the buttons that we're all using all the time.

[B]

Time. It's really bad.

[A]

It's really bad, and it's really annoying. Susie Weiss, anything else you want to talk about?

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

What are you working on next? Like, what are you writing about? What are you researching?

[B]

I was just in San Francisco.

[A]

Frightening.

[B]

Frightening.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't speak their language. They don't speak my language. We don't get along.

[A]

No.

[B]

And what were you doing there? I was trying to understand, like, AI.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And I left.

[A]

So were you in, like, San Francisco, like, city or like, the tech?

[B]

I was in the city of San Francisco, and then I was in Berkeley for a few days also.

[A]

Extremely frightening. Radical youth.

[B]

Youth in a different, very different way. A lot of therapists there. Everyone who lives there is a therapist. So right now I'm working on a Story about how like C is the new space.

[A]

How what?

[B]

Like the sea is the new space. It's like everyone was obsessed with going to space, now they're obsessed with the sea.

[A]

Oh, like, you know, submersible, some.

[B]

Oh, like Ocean Gate.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, they all obviously hate Ocean Gate, but these are a lot of like unmanned vehicles.

[A]

How are people obsessed with the sea? Are people doing stuff in the sea?

[B]

Yeah, like, similar to how like space SpaceX kind of like opened up the space economy and there's going to be like drug trips and states and mining and like a whole, a whole world up there economy. That's kind of what's going to be happening in the sea because it's so big. It is.

[A]

And there's so many parts like we haven't even touched.

[B]

And I asked one of the founders, I was like, does God want you down there? Like, does God want you poking around down there? And he was like, absolutely.

[A]

I actually don't disagree.

[B]

Really.

[A]

I feel like the sea is so vast and every time I learn something about the sea, like, like I, I forget what documentary I was watching. Definitely David Attenborough. When the waves, like, okay, this I'm going to sound really stupid. I also think like, okay, so when the waves like crash on the shore and then pull back in there, I forget exactly what they had said. But like the entire balance of the, the world's ecosystem, like, is. Oh God, I sound so scary.

[B]

No, you don't.

[A]

Whatever's happening there, like the, the waves are bringing like something back into the ocean that keeps like the world, world's the environment, the entire ecosystem, keeps it running. Kind of felt like the world would end without bees.

[B]

Right.

[A]

The world would also end if the ocean didn't go and come back. Go and come back. Every time I learned something about the ocean, it's so to me, people always say, like, how can you have a baby and like not believe in God for sure? How can you like, know about the ocean and not believe in like the beauty, the magic of God?

[B]

No question.

[A]

To me it's extremely godly.

[B]

I also think it's very feminine place.

[A]

Like, expand on that.

[B]

Well, it like goes by the moon.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

It's connected to the moon, as are we. It can be extremely calm or extremely, like vicious and fierce. Someone the other day was like, what's more dangerous, a woman who's bored or a woman who's scorned? And I'm like, wrong question. What's more dangerous, A ballistic missile or a woman who scored? And it's A woman who's scorned, like, that is the most dangerous force. So I really, I think C's gonna be very like, big.

[A]

Oh, I, I love this. Now what are people doing? Like, they're taking trips, they're starting businesses.

[B]

Like, what are they doing? They're doing like, they're making these like drones that are extremely, like cheap and fast because it's basically extre expensive to.

[A]

Do like, like submersibly.

[B]

Yeah. Or just like communication with like a thing. Right. Like out on the high seas. So they make these drones that can like plant seagrass or like monitor things, like people fishing in, you know, waters you aren't supposed to fish in. Or just like, just like really creative, like flying boats and airplanes that can land on the sea and like the sea will be. We haven't seen so much of it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And all of these people are obsessed with Atlantis and they're obsessed with MH370.

[A]

I'm at Atlantis. I was like, the Bahamas cracking up. No, like the lost sea.

[B]

The lost city.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But they also are like, I think was it 2014 that that Malaysian airline flight went down and all of these people were like, what do you mean you can't find it?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like that. How is that possible?

[A]

But it just speaks to the vastness of the sea that the whole ass, 300 person airplane could get lost, swallowed. That's so great.

[B]

It's scary.

[A]

Also, is it true that like there are cables in the see that like connect the Internet.

[B]

Yes. And then like sometimes it's like kind of soft war when like China or someone will like sever the cable and then they're like, well, that's like we dropped an anchor. Yeah. It's so China.

[A]

Honestly, that's a slay. Like we dropped an anchor. It was. Yeah.

[B]

Sorry. You can't connect. Sorry. You have no grid.

[A]

Oh my. That's crazy.

[B]

No, like, I kind of think World War 3 will take place on the high seas. Oh my God. That's my prediction.

[A]

I love that. Not like I love, but that's a good prediction.

[B]

Prediction season's about to start.

[A]

So that's what you're working on. What does that mean, prediction about to start?

[B]

It's like, you know, like the in outs of like 20, 25. Oh my God, you hate that. You'd be so good at it.

[A]

I know, but like the thing is, it's like nothing's in and nothing's out. We're all people.

[B]

Oh, I love that.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

But space out. See it?

[A]

You know that Space. Out. See? And I feel like space is out. Katy Perry ruined space.

[B]

I loved that. I was like, I was like, go, go up there.

[A]

Would you go to space?

[B]

No, I have no interest interest.

[A]

Me neither.

[B]

No, I would. I'd rather go very far out at sea and experience that than experience space.

[A]

Oh, that's a really good question.

[B]

Just because I think you could be more free.

[A]

It's so spooky.

[B]

It's so spooky.

[A]

And I know when you go to space, like you're so far from home, but there's something about being in the middle of the ocean, not seeing any land, that's like an extremely scary feeling.

[B]

Well, especially because, like you're on the earth, but still no one can see you as if you were in space.

[A]

And when you think about the ocean, like, you have to think about multiple parts of the ocean. Like I'm thinking about like, of course, Caribbean. I could see the sand. But like that dark ocean where like you can't even see the water. What's beneath you. Like, that is so fudgeing black. That's so at night. Oh my God. I can never. I could literally never. That's so scary. Okay, so that's what you're working on. What else?

[B]

What else am.

[A]

I feel like you're always like finding random like rabbit holes to go through that are extremely interesting. Like the lab diamond.

[B]

Yeah, like lab grown diamonds. That was a really fun one. Oh, I am going to do like an essay that I feel like toasters might. It might appeal to them. No love. Abolish the bachelorette party. Abolish your astro party. None.

[A]

Wow, that's an extremely hot take. Why do you say that? I think that's a recession indicator.

[B]

Well, first of all, like engagement rings, weddings have gotten completely cuckoo bananas. They're eight day festivals.

[A]

Consumerism at its worst.

[B]

And, and just like I. People were freaking out. I forget who. It was someone's wedding where it was just like the content came first. You know what I mean? It was like they established the wedding and like the, the wedding was downstream of the content, which, like, is fine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But especially if that's your job and like, if you're an influencer, like part of that is living your life and having a lifestyle.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But I think we're kind of like reaching a saturation point where it's like, is this even fun? Like, what is a signature cocktail? Like, do we even need to do any of this? And I was, I went to like, I want to say six or seven weddings this summer.

[A]

Wow. This summer.

[B]

Yeah. I'm just in that you're popular season. But, like, my whole. Do you remember, right? The 21st. And it's like, I remember it. Yeah. It's my whole life. Yeah. It's that song. And there was, like, a lot of, like, long plane trips. And like, I love all of these people, but you can really only ask someone to take a plane once for your wedding.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If that.

[A]

That's funny. You know, it's like, no matter how much you love a person, like, the wedding will make you hate them.

[B]

They hate them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's so crazy. And people who are like, people are acting like there's a gun to their head, being like, well, we have to go to Vegas. And it's like, right, no, you're holding the gun. I want people to understand that.

[A]

Gun.

[B]

Put the gun down.

[A]

Did you have a bachelor party? Of course I did.

[B]

In Vegas.

[A]

Okay. But let me say this. I was a child bride.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So I was 21, and no one in my life had gotten married. No one I knew. And it was so exciting. Like, and I feel like when I talk about my bachelorette party, I have to mention the fact that the entire thing was sponsored. Nobody in my party had to pay for anything. Maybe a flight, but I don't even think that that hotels, clubs, restaurants, restaurants, outfits, like, literally everything was free. And it was the first time anyone in my family, anyone in my group of friends had gotten married. So it was just, like, so exciting. And also, everyone's from New York. A lot of them hadn't even ever been to Vegas. We'd all just turned, like, 21. So I agree with a lot of your criticism. Doesn't apply to me.

[B]

Doesn't apply to you? No.

[A]

I feel like it has to. That has to be said.

[B]

I just turned 30, and at this point, it's like, I'm not wearing a silly hat. I'm not wearing a wig. I just turned 30.

[A]

Tell me about that. I'm 31.

[B]

You're 31?

[A]

I know. I'm an extremely youthful spirit and face and a baby. Well, yes.

[B]

I was just. I came into the office the next day after I turned 30, and I was like, I'm so happy for all of us that that's done. Yeah. Congratulations to you that you no longer have to hear me talking about turning 30. It's not cute. No one cares.

[A]

It's almost worse. Like, turning 30 is worse than being 30.

[B]

Are you kidding?

[A]

Like, having that in your future is very, like, dread inducing. It has this, like, existential feeling. Once it's over, you're like, okay, you're freed.

[B]

And it's like, oh, I feel bad for the 29 year olds a little bit. You know what I mean?

[A]

And also Tinks was the one who gave me great advice because I was really actually clearly get a lot of advice from tanks. I was really struggling with turning 30 because like when you're in this space too, like youth is everything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And all the girls are, you know, 17. And so she was like, you should really buy yourself something nice. It like makes you really excited about your birthday. And so I did. I bought myself a diamond tennis necklace and.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Yeah, I guess that was the last time I bought a diamond.

[B]

Yeah. Oh my God. There you go.

[A]

And it was really good advice because then I was just thinking about like the gorgeous present I was getting. Not like the fact that I was turning 30.

[B]

Tinx is really good on like aging, living and like if you wanted a husband, you would have one. Yeah, you don't want a husband.

[A]

Like she's very matter of fact.

[B]

Very matter of fact. And it's like, I just, I really appreciate her.

[A]

Me too. I really appreciate you. I loved podcasting with you. I feel like I was just watching your episode with Jackie knew as I connected so hard and everybody was like, I love this. I was reading the comments this morning. Everybody's like, I love this too. Well, my God, like miss Claude. But like this was really great. And I was like, that's great.

[B]

You're like, eye roll.

[A]

So Susie Weiss, having said that, I just like needed to bring you back on here and like stunt on these hoes, you know, and you're two time co host now. Not a lot of people can say that. Thank you for spending your morning with us. Thank you for the great work that you do. We cannot wait to see what the sea has in store for you. Don't get lost at sea.

[B]

Thank you so much. It's an honor to be here.

[A]

Where can people find you? Where do you plug your like.

[B]

Okay, subscribe to the free press at the fp.com/subscribe. We'll see if we can maybe even get a little discount for the toasters.

[A]

Okay. If you do, make it code toast.

[B]

Okay? Code toast.

[A]

So just try that. If you're subscribing.

[B]

Okay, try code toast. But if it doesn't work.

[A]

Sorry, Barry said no.

[B]

Yeah, Barry said no. And you can follow me on X at Snoozy Weiss. I should have like one thing that just does it all and then Instagram I have a new professional Instagram called on Instagram because I'm private on Instagram.

[A]

That's so, like, that's such a, such a stunt.

[B]

Like it's a stunt, but it's also like, I get so confused with the rules around the nieces and nephews and who's face and who's not face that.

[A]

I'm just like, does Barry show her kids online? No. Do you guys have any work on the, on the FP about like kids on the Internet? Like what's the general thesis?

[B]

Yes, we're. Jonathan Haidt is a. I love contributor. He's unbelievable.

[A]

Anxious generation, right?

[B]

Anxious generation. And he's really into like let go, like don't, don't be a helicopter parent. In addition to a million other things. And I, I report a lot on like what the Internet is doing to people. As in like how is it spiritually disfiguring them. Right. But also. So it's the best and amazing and we love it.

[A]

It's so complicated.

[B]

It's, it's, it's every, it's. It's mom talk. It's the church.

[A]

Yeah, it is, it is.

[B]

Is it in the room with me? We can't define it. So Susie is online on Instagram and yeah, I.

[A]

How does it feel being a public facing Instagram figure now?

[B]

Oh my God, it's really scary. I basically told like the social team at work. I'm like, I'll just. You have to do it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, handle it, handle it.

[B]

But I have a column that comes out every week on culture called Second Thought and hopefully soon a podcast.

[A]

Oh really? I mean, you do have like good podcast energy. You can come converse really well so much about podcasting and this is something I'm clearly still working on is listening.

[B]

And talking and talking.

[A]

Especially when we have like co host on because we're not like a guest interview show.

[B]

Well, but you and Jackie, it's almost like you, you have your own dialect. It's, it's a language.

[A]

We also are like puzzle pieces. Like I know when to stop and she starts and she stops and I start. And so we've done it so long. But when I'm interviewing other people, it's like so hard because like I think I'm so interesting and it's like, well, you're here to be interviewed. And like I'm not an interviewer. I've never claimed to be one. So it's something I'm really working on.

[B]

Well, the dj, I forget her name. She was very adorable. The DJ she was like, you're talking so fast.

[A]

Do you know how much hate I got also for that episode? They're like, claudia, like, you really do not help Xander. I'm like, fudge. I forget that, like we are in a league of our own when it comes to speed talking. Yeah, I forget that, like, not everybody knows what I'm talking about because I'm just used to sitting down with somebody who does. That's why you're a great co host. Because I feel like I have to explain anything to you.

[B]

Yeah, we're plugged in and you like.

[A]

Talk just as fast as I did.

[B]

I cry.

[A]

I'm like kept up partialiciously.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[A]

Speaking of party, I cannot believe been sitting up in this get up without letting you know. This is new merch that launches Wednesday.

[B]

Look at that.

[A]

Wednesday, 10:00am Eastern Time. We are launching so much our iconic T shirts in three more designs. Probably the best ones we've ever made. Sweatshirts, baby stuff, Totes hats. It's all going to be on our Instagram. Check it out at the Toast and the Merch website is. What's the merch website? Shop Toast merch dot com. I think we recently had to change it because it was chanel.com obviously. Now I believe it's shop toast merch dot com. Can you just double check that for me? Jack is going to kill me.

[B]

Wait, it was chanel.com.

[A]

I'M kidding. Yeah, it's the to. Oh, the toast podcast dot com. Okay. Or I think also Shop Toast Merch. Just letting you know. Susie, thank you so much for being here.

[B]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

Guys. Thank you so much for listening to the Toast and Lenny Morning show. We deliver the fastest stories you need to know. Every Monday, the Friday and YouTube. Watching us on YouTube. Please subscribe. Give us video thumbs up podcast, Spotify public radio. I already cast talks all the places. Wait. Listen to podcast. Find us the Toastly. If I serve you about how beautiful standing and wickedly talented we are. We will see you tomorrow. Love you.

[B]

Bye bye bye.