I Love Your Opalite, Sky: Monday, October 6th, 2025

Summary

The Toast – "I Love Your Opalite, Sky" (Monday, October 6, 2025)

Hosts: Jackie Oshry & Claudia Oshry
Podcast: The Toast (Dear Media)
Release Date: October 6, 2025

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Overview

This Monday’s episode of The Toast features Jackie and Claudia covering personal updates, travel plans, and plenty of pop culture analysis. The show’s main themes include Taylor Swift’s highly-discussed new album "Life of a Showgirl," a TV recap focused on the latest season of Love Is Blind, celebrity fashion buzz from Paris Fashion Week, and a slew of notable news stories ranging from Mark Sanchez’s bizarre legal troubles to Diddy’s sentencing and media industry shakeups. The episode captures the sisters’ signature blend of humor, sarcasm, and millennial commentary, with deep dives into music fandom, reality TV, internet drama, and cultural trends.

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Major Discussion Points

1. Personal Catch-Up & Travel Chaos

[00:22 – 05:15]

• Both hosts recount their "splendid" weekends: Claudia complains that Ben didn’t make her chili, despite his brand partnership plans for a chili ad. Jackie boasts about making chili and corn muffins for her game-day guests.
• Claudia shares her impending trip to LA; plans involve finding lodging, getting a stroller, and prepping for her first experience flying with her kid, Ruby.
  • "I've never taken Ruby on a plane... I literally, in the middle of my text messages with [Brian Kelly], I said, I feel so privileged to have direct access to you. I would be googling all these things. And Brian knows everything and Brian has two kids. So. Yeah, we figured it out. We're gonna be okay. We are gonna be okay." – Claudia [02:19]
• Discussion on packing cubes for travel, with Jackie swearing by them for kids, while Claudia remains skeptical and maintains it’s more social media performance than practicality.

2. Taylor Swift’s Life of a Showgirl: Album Deep Dive

[06:06 – 53:26]

a. Swiftie Discourse & Album Thematics

• Both hosts spent the weekend listening to Taylor’s new album and introduce a detailed, song-by-song critique.
• There is intense discussion around the album’s lack of thematic cohesion, questionable lyrics, and “recycled” subject matter.
  • "I can get past the lyrics. I agree that this is the only real failure of this album is, like, thematically, it's the first time Taylor... it's like not all making sense." – Claudia [21:38]
  • "She's being compared to herself where that's not something that she's done before is, like, put out this entire aesthetic and, like, mythology around something, and then it not be that at all." – Jackie [22:48]

b. Song-by-Song Impressions

Notable Highlights:

• ‘Fate of Ophelia’

  • Loved for its poppy, catchy melody, though criticism surfaces over historical inaccuracies.
  • "Her description of Ophelia is actually, like, not Ophelia. What happened in the book in Hamlet..." – Jackie [27:41]

• ‘Opalite’

  • Declared best song on the album; a celebration of Taylor’s relationship with Travis Kelce and new life phase.
  • "That song is a pussy popping banger." – Claudia [31:43]
  • Lyric "dancing through the onyx night" spurs wild online theories; Jackie connects the “onyx” birthstone to the period Taylor met Travis.
  • “Jackie cracked it. They met in July. Onyx is the birthstone for July.” – Claudia [31:26]

• Lyrics Critique

  • Multiple songs have “cringe” or dated lyrics (e.g., meme references, “I’m not a bad b*tch, this isn’t savage”), which both hosts find jarring and sometimes comical.

• Alleged Disses & Industry Drama

  • Segment on Taylor’s “Actually Romantic” supposedly being a dig at Charli XCX, touching on ongoing pop culture beefs (Billie Eilish, Lorde, Olivia Rodrigo).
    • "There's this coalition emerging against Taylor." – Jackie [36:59]
    • "Taylor's the biggest star in the world. Like, who is Charli?" – Claudia [40:04]

• Album Release Tactics

  • Criticism of Taylor's marketing: limited edition CDs, multiple acoustic versions, and sales tactics perceived as chart manipulation or wasteful.
    • "Taylor has now released like four or five vinyls... It's also just, like, so wasteful." – Claudia [52:25]

3. Pop Culture & Celebrity Fashion Talk

[11:09 – 16:20]

• Meghan Markle attends the Balenciaga show at Paris Fashion Week, which the hosts mock due to the brand’s controversial past and lower standing in high fashion.
  • "I was shocked. Meghan Markle went outside of the child scandal with Balenciaga... Like, you're going to Balenciaga, where everyone wears leggings?" – Claudia [12:06]
• Gushing over Ina Garten at the Hermès show, portrayed as the anti-Balenciaga moment of the week.

4. News Stories: The Fast Five

[53:26 – end]

a. Mark Sanchez Incident

[53:26 – 57:15]

• Ex-Jets QB Mark Sanchez is in the headlines for body-slamming a 69-year-old truck driver before being stabbed in self-defense. The sisters reminisce about their fandom, express disappointment in Sanchez, and discuss the bizarre nature of the whole scenario.
  • "Seriously, I never thought I'd say these three words. Mark Sanchez, what the f*ck is wrong with you?" – Claudia [55:44]
  • Details of the altercation: Sanchez was reportedly drunk, behaving erratically, and attacked the older man in a parking dispute.

b. Diddy Sentenced

[57:21 – 59:30]

• Diddy receives a four-year prison sentence after a mixed verdict, with the hosts comparing the sentence to other high-profile white collar crimes and expressing skepticism about the impact.
  • "He'll also have to pay the court a fine of $500,000 as well as participate in programs for his mental health and substance abuse issues. There is no restitution." – Jackie [58:54]

c. Media Industry Shift: Barry Weiss @ CBS News

[69:16 – 73:19]

• Announcement: The Free Press (Barry Weiss’s independent media company) is acquired by Paramount, and Barry is named Editor-in-Chief of CBS News.
  • "This marks a huge moment in... traditional news media and then like the new... This is like kind of the first big merger." – Claudia [72:15]

5. Reality TV Recap: Love Is Blind S/TBD

[07:14, 73:19 – 81:07]

• Early impressions: Both hosts are frustrated with this season – messy editing, lack of engaging personalities, and confusing production choices.
• Jackie discusses episode progression (she's into honeymoons), while Claudia is only on episode 3.
• Notable quote: "This season is a travesty. I felt that way during episode three. Like, some of the worst television I've ever watched." – Jackie [07:14]
• Discussion of controversial cast behaviors, abrupt cast exits, speculation about mental health and production tactics post-lawsuits.
• Claudia plans to recap further once she’s watched more episodes.

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Memorable Moments & Quotable Highlights

• On Being in Their LA Era:

  • "Oh man, I'm so LA." – Claudia [05:44]
  • “Like I said, I will be forgetting the little people.” – Claudia [05:52]

• On Packing Cubes:

  • "I see people on Tik Tok like always getting their packing cubes... I don't think packing cubes, I think it's a little bit like Internet shtick." – Claudia [04:07]

• On Taylor Swift’s Lyrics:

  • "Cringe lyrics are not new. But I do think as she gets older, one, they're getting like a little cringier, but also relative to her age." – Jackie [25:06]
  • "It's just who she is... Taylor herself is like a self-proclaimed cheugy millennial." – Claudia [25:26]

• On Taylor’s Beef with Charli XCX:

  • "Now this song is... I don't know what's going to come out, but I just know she's going to say like the most horrible things about Taylor..." – Claudia [40:04]

• On Meghan Markle & Balenciaga:

  • “You're going to Balenciaga, where everyone wears leggings. Like, I was shocked.” – Claudia [12:06]

• On Mark Sanchez:

  • "He was coming to the jets to save us... and now he's, like, beating up older gentlemen in backyards." – Claudia [54:10]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Opening Banter & Weekend Recap: [00:22 – 05:15]
• Taylor Swift Album Deep Dive: [06:06 – 53:26]
  • Song-by-song commentary begins: [27:12]
  • 'Opalite' and birthstone discussion: [29:49 – 31:37]
  • Taylor’s industry beefs: [36:34 – 40:28]
• Meghan Markle x Balenciaga Fashion Week: [11:09 – 16:20]
• Mark Sanchez News Story: [53:26 – 57:15]
• Diddy Sentenced: [57:21 – 59:30]
• Barry Weiss Media News: [69:16 – 73:19]
• Love Is Blind Recap: [07:14 introduction, detailed at 73:19 – 81:07]
• Closing Banter and Outro: [81:07 – end]

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Tone

The episode retains The Toast’s trademark casual, irreverent, and quick-witted banter. The hosts poke fun at themselves, pop culture figures, and the internet—never shying away from calling out hypocrisy, cringe moments, or flaws in their favorite stars and shows. There’s both fan-girling and honest critique, especially in Taylor Swift album discourse and the Love Is Blind segment.

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Conclusion

This fast-paced episode is a feast for millennial pop culture junkies, Swifties, and reality TV obsessives alike. Jackie and Claudia manage to combine their personal lives with hard-hitting commentary, meme-ready one-liners, and genuinely insightful cultural critiques.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast.

[B]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[A]

It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off.

[B]

Swirly.

[A]

It's the Toast.

[B]

They sound amazing.

[A]

Welcome back to the Toast and happy Monday. Hope everybody had a sweet, splendid weekend. Mine was splendid. Yeah, I went to TJ Maxx. Hey, Jax, how you doing?

[B]

Darn good. Mine was splendid as well. I made a chili, so that's always going to be a recipe for success.

[A]

I was actually promised a chili, and one never arrived. Ben on Sunday was like, should we make a chili? And I. I knew something was up, you know, because why would he be so generous? Ben, like, low key, like, doesn't like making chili. I'm always like, oh, we should make a chili. And he's like, fine. He has to film an ad.

[B]

Oh, what brand is sponsoring his chili?

[A]

I don't want to spoil it. Because it's. I don't want to spoil it.

[B]

Okay, well, that's really exciting. But he didn't do his chili for his wife, nor his brand work. Is that what you're saying?

[A]

No, he's delayed. Content is delayed. Well, we had the busiest weekend.

[B]

I'm sure you did. It's a busy time.

[A]

Yeah. I am going la.

[B]

You are going to la, and he didn't even make you a chili, even though he's trying to court you to go to la. And a chili would definitely help move the needle.

[A]

I ran out of reasons to say no, and now I actually believe it's a good idea. Like, we should definitely go. How fun is that? Like, I was being a hater. But first of all, the lack of air conditioning in my studio is not going to work for me. Judo. It's 80 degrees. It was 80 degrees yesterday. 80 degrees. It's October. It's been 80 degrees for three days in a row. I've had enough. I'm leaving.

[B]

When do you leave for la?

[A]

Flights are booked. We'll literally be leaving this week in a few. Merely a few days.

[B]

Okay, great. We also need to, like, then sync, because then you're on LA time.

[A]

Yes. So LA Swirly's episode will be coming out on our time. Sorry. Like, I'm not waking up at 5am to podcast. Like, yeah, we will probably. We'll be like a noon one o' clock show for the east coast swirlies.

[B]

Isn't that what we are now Will.

[A]

Be a one, two o' clock show for the East coast coast swirls. I mean, we could record it like nine my time.

[B]

Well, no, we had that. We have to. We have to discuss.

[A]

We'll figure, we'll coordinate. Yeah. I haven't even told you. I had to find a place to live. I had to get like a stroller. So many things. I had to call Brian Kelly 1000 times asking. I've never taken Ruby on a plane. So you know, and I literally, in the middle of my text messages with him, I said, I feel so privileged to have like direct access to you. I would be googling all these things. And Brian knows everything and Brian has two kids. So. Yeah, we figured it out. We're gonna be okay. We are gonna be okay.

[B]

That's such a great age to travel. It's really like he's kind of just attached to you.

[A]

Yeah, we like. Yeah, it's. It is what it is. Listen, we're doing it. Can't turn back now.

[B]

I'm very excited for you.

[A]

Same. And then by the time I get back, my new place will get done. Everything that needs to get done. There's like no furniture. So much work needs to be done. So. You know what? It's good. It's good. Turdy takes la. I love la. Turdy Wood.

[B]

I love it. I'm gonna be like my co. My co host is la. I feel like Ben and Josh, Benny and Joshi. Joshi and Benny. The next hour are so bad. And this is not good.

[A]

Yeah, except Joshi and Benny.

[B]

That's disgusting. That's.

[A]

So I had like a crazy weekend of just like getting all that planned, like buying packing cubes. I now own packing cubes. Yeah, I don't want to talk about.

[B]

It's like something that kid. Like when you have kids, you have packing cubes. I have so many packing cubes.

[A]

And I stand by that. Like they're not that like nice.

[B]

They're kind of nice because you don't have like a. Because their clothes are so little that you don't want a huge suitcase with all these little folded individual things. You take out the sack, you put it on the bed and it's like you're staying for a long time. So obviously you'll unpack. But like you could kind of keep things in their cubes if it was a shorter trip. They do serve a purpose and they make you feel really organized. Especially when the clothes are so little.

[A]

Yeah. I see people on Tik Tok like always getting their packing cubes, like pack with me for whatever. And it's a grown ass people fitting like two pairs of shoes in a Cube two shirts. I don't. And I'm an extremely organized person. I live for organization. That's like porn to me. I love cleaning. I love like everything having a place. I don't think packing cubes, I think it's a little bit like Internet shtick.

[B]

Not maybe for adults, but I. I stand by the fact that for kids you kind of need them for all the little items. There are just so many little items. You can't have them like loosey goosey in a big suitcase.

[A]

Yeah, no, I get it. I just like, I'm annoyed that that's like the stage of life that I'm currently in.

[B]

Yeah. But then there's some cute packing cubes. I do like one color.

[A]

I did Amazon, same day delivery color.

[B]

For Charlie, you know.

[A]

Yeah. Some of us don't have time. Don't have time to color code. Like we had to get the ones that Amazon could deliver today between 6pm and 11pm, you know?

[B]

Yeah, I understand.

[A]

So that's what's gonna. And also, I'm vlogging today. I look kind of a busy day being like a businesswoman, a mother, and like a celebrity. So I thought it would be a good time to. Day in the life vlog. Always ask for that.

[B]

So here you go. She chose the busiest day, as one should.

[A]

Oh my God. And I left my LaCroix on my desk, which is like 10ft away. Like seriously kill me. Did I? Oh, my Lacroix over there.

[B]

Didn't you just get up?

[A]

I did because I left a light on so I didn't want to like affect the lighting. I'm like so all over the place today.

[B]

Yeah, I mean that's. Honestly, that's kind of giving like LA creator.

[A]

No, it's giving like hair brain mother.

[B]

You know, like creator hair. But like, I feel like LA influencers are always like, oh my God. Like they're just hair brained as well.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man, I'm so la. You are.

[B]

I'm excited to see how it changes you.

[A]

Yeah. Like, like I said, I will be forgetting the little people. So if you want me to remember you, like, do something nice for me today, you know?

[B]

Yeah. Or every day make a donation to.

[A]

The Marsh and R Holocaust Education Foundation. I'll remember that.

[B]

That's really beautiful.

[A]

So many things. We're gonna be talking way more about Taylor's album today because I listened to it all weekend long. I have so many thoughts. Like, I don't even know what I said on Friday. Like, delete everything I said. I don't even remember what I said. I don't even know if I still stand by it. I have new thoughts, new theories, new meaning.

[B]

I have thoughts as well in my own personal opinions and in. In the context of the conversation that's happening.

[A]

There is a conversation that is happening.

[B]

Yeah. So I have a lot of thoughts.

[A]

I've. Like, there. There are a bunch of really catchy hooks.

[B]

Yeah, they are like. And that's Elizabeth Taylor.

[A]

Elizabeth Taylor. Elizabeth.

[B]

And that's. Yeah, there are. We'll get into it. That will be our first story recapping Taylor. Everything that's come out since the news.

[A]

The drama, the beef, the video, end of the episode. Let's also do a little bit of a TV recap. We both started the new season of Love is Blind. I'm only on episode three. Like, I just saw Edmund, like, the reveal. And so that's what I'm up to. So don't spoil any. I know you're further along than me.

[B]

Yeah, we'll talk about it. And then you might have to take your headphones off because I'm on episode six. But I want to say, I'm so behind. Yeah, I want to say in general, as a general statement, like, this season is a travesty. I felt that way during episode three. Like, some of the worst television I've ever watched. If my husband wasn't so obsessed with this show, like, he comes in and turns it on, and I'm like, okay, he's the pusher. He's such a pusher. He loves the show. I would not be watching. It reminds me of that Minneapolis season that was positively dreadful.

[A]

Remind me, give me one person who was on that season. Joey and Monica.

[B]

Ben Platt.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Joey, Monica.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't finish that season. This feels like that. Also, they're, like, committed to giving us way more pod time, I think, to, like, establish a couple things. One that, you know.

[A]

So let's save it. Let's save it so we could see.

[B]

More of the couples, like, and so that they have, like, you know, roots and we understand why they connected. But also they're showing us more of everyone's overlapping connections. Just to say that that always happens. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's.

[A]

Yes, but it makes it confusing.

[B]

It does make it confusing. And. Okay, we'll save the rest for later.

[A]

But I will take my headphones off.

[B]

I am like, well, now I'm getting to the good part because I'm on the honeymoons. But, like, the pods were a really good.

[A]

I have three more pod episodes.

[B]

They. Yeah, episode five is when, like, all of the reveals get done. Not they get done along the way, but, like, you're done with reveals in episode five.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

It's. It's wrap out here.

[A]

The pod episodes are like a necessary evil. Right. Like, you really do. In order, like, to have a good season, you need to understand the connections. And then last season, I think they, like, understood that people don't love the pods, so they gave us, like, half an episode of Pods, half an episode of Honeymoons, and the whole thing was them living in Minneapolis. Like, who gives a fudge?

[B]

No, but I feel like Minneapolis was a lot of pods. I had to stop watching.

[A]

No, no, no. The most recent season, we got no honeymoons and no pods. Like, we saw so much Minneapolis in their sad apartments. Like, I'm good.

[B]

The honeymoon is hands down the best.

[A]

Best. I need a whole season of Honeymoons.

[B]

When they started doing, like, the group meetup on the honeymoon.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And without fail, these people always get weird in that scene. Yeah, yeah, without fail. Like, you would think that they would be, like, on their better behavior, not drink. So comments about other people's looks that aren't their partner. Without fail. They are so freaky. And. And this. This current mixer that I just watched is actually one of the worst because.

[A]

The experiment, like, truly makes people crazy. First of all, you don't have your phone. You're not connected to the outside world, which already is, like, heightened weirdness. Then you're with a bunch of freaks and you're having, like, heightened emotions because you're falling in love with people. And then you're traveling to a new country, which is always exciting, but you're this, like, freaky, weird version of yourself. And then, like, you get reunited with, like, your cellmates from the pod, so it, like, reignites more weirdness. It's. It's definitely a social experiment.

[B]

No. And, like, just everyone going forward. You think people learn from reality tv? They learn from.

[A]

I know past.

[B]

Like, I'm not going to say this. I'm not going to do that. Stop drinking at that honeymoon mixer.

[A]

Stop it 1000%.

[B]

Like, drink when you go home.

[A]

Okay, so we will dive into that in the TV recap and we will do stories. Anything else you want to chat about before we dive in? Any more preface 5 banner that you want to ban?

[B]

Oh, any more banter to be banton? No, I had a nice weekend. I've just been, like, taking it easy, trying not to do, like, the most. But we've been. We had people over actually yesterday for the games. That's why I need a chili. And I hosted and I cooked a chili. That's a lot.

[A]

You also made corn muffins.

[B]

I did make corn muffins to accompany my chili Parche.

[A]

A fun fact about me, I love a corn muffin, but I don't like it in the way that other people do. I know. It's, like, really popular to have with chili.

[B]

You like it with chili?

[A]

I love it with, like, as a sweet maman. Raspberry preserve. Oh, speaking of raspberry preserve, are you talking about Meghan Markle in Paris?

[B]

It did not make the cut.

[A]

Can we talk about it briefly?

[B]

Yeah. Because it almost made the cut. And then I was like, we're gonna do a whole story about Blood and Siaga because they switched their creative director, but they never actually took accountability for the weird shit that they did. Like, it's not gonna be a story. Sorry.

[A]

No, of course. And I. I wanted to talk about it just, like, sort of put on blast and, like, shame everybody who went, like, Anne Hathaway. Like, you. Like, some people, like, need to be slumming it. Like, Jenna Ortega. Like, I get it. Like, you're. It's exciting for you to be invited to Balenciaga, but, like, Anne Hathaway with your leather gloves. First of all, she looked terrible. Like, the outfit was bad. All these celebrities, like, flocking to Balenciaga is so losery. And I'm shocked. Meghan Markle went outside of the child scandal with Balenciaga. Like, Balenciaga as a brand isn't like, the. In the high fashion world. It's not, like, really elite. Right. Like, Meghan Markle, a former royal. They're like streetwear. Right? I would. I could see her at Chanel. I could see her at, like, honestly, that's it. Like, literally Chanel. Or maybe Dolce, Hermes.

[B]

Yeah, right, right.

[A]

But, like, you're, like, slumming it at Balenciaga. Like, I was shocked. Like, that's. And when she went, she looks gorgeous. Like, leaving that hotel with, like, her silk wraps, her chiffon. Her look is so elegant. I'm like, you're going to Balenciaga, where everyone wears leggings. Like, I was shocked. Like, why? She could get an invite. Invitation to any show. Like, unless maybe some of them are, like, monarchists. But, like, why? You never leave your house. You go in, like, a big thing. You're looking.

[B]

It was a big deal that she, like, went to Fashion Week for the first time in like 10 years. I thought maybe like so low of.

[A]

The totem pole, even besides their big.

[B]

Scandal, maybe she has like a friendship with the new creative director. But now in thinking about it, maybe they paid her a good amount to sort of like shift the perspective because she does, like, give off like royal energy. And it's like you can't get Kate. Like, that's right, Meghan. And she has a lot of elegance. And if that's. It's very elevated, if that's the look going forward for Balenciaga, then she is a good face for it. So, like, maybe it was a big payday for her. But fashion, but, like, they don't make money because nobody's been shopping. Like, as much as celebrities keep going to their shows, nobody is shopping Balenciaga. The people, the streets, we remember. So I don't know how they would have a lot of money to give her.

[A]

I was so confused. I loved the idea of her stepping out in Paris Fashion Week. I think like, for the level of celebrity that she's at, it's like a very, like only top tier people. New York Fashion Week is literally like influencer fest. Like, it's not chic, it's not elegant anymore. Milan Fashion Week and Paris Fashion Week are so top tier. I loved it for her. I was like, I wonder what show she. Balenciaga. And her outfits are so napalenciaga. They're so much better.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was shook.

[B]

Yeah, Kylie was in Paris. I don't think she went.

[A]

No, they went to Scaparelli. They're more. I know, sorry. Kim went to Balenciaga. Oh, wait, no. Did she? Where was she wearing her pixie cut?

[B]

I don't know. I don't think it was Balenciaga. I thought she didn't go to Blend.

[A]

No, because her boy left, which is.

[B]

Even weirder that she didn't go this time. But like, only goes for when weird ass Demna.

[A]

Yeah, ugly clothes.

[B]

That's even weirder. Like now it's like, okay, since Demna's not there, like, everyone can pretend like it didn't happen and like go support Balenciaga. Even though I don't forget personally, but I can see why they would think that I might forget but to like now not go.

[A]

And I'm sure you didn't see this because you don't have TikTok. And while I agree that, like, having TikTok is not the right move for you, it makes me sad that you didn't see the video of Ina Garten at the Hermes Fashion show in Paris with her Kelly on her lap, sitting. She's sitting at the end in the front row. She has a Kelly on her lap. She's watching the clothes. She looks so sweet. It is, bar none, the cutest thing I've ever seen. She's just wearing, like, her little black trousers and her black button down. Like, classic in affairs. She doesn't look crazy, but she has her air maze bag on her lap. She's looking so cute. It actually is, like, the cutest thing I've ever seen.

[B]

That's really cute because you've been hard on her.

[A]

I have. She's literally pissing me off. Oh, yeah. To close the circle, we did get a food processor.

[B]

But, like, not even about the food processor. Even before that, like, with her memoir and, like, the. The bits and bobs she was carrying.

[A]

Okay. By the way, one thing about me, I'm a fair person. I love Ina. The name of her memoir sucks. She was wrong for what she did to Martha Stewart. I'm holding space for three truths.

[B]

Yeah, she was. There was also, like, other, like, titillating anecdotes that you sort of, like, shot down.

[A]

Yeah. About, like, her and Jeffrey.

[B]

Like, and then you ended on Jeffrey. But. But.

[A]

But I go in on Jeffrey. I did not.

[B]

You went in on Jeffrey.

[A]

I would not. I didn't. You stop making. Oh, you didn't even mention, like, make it any sort of commentary that, like, I got a haircut.

[B]

You always have, like, a fresh hair.

[A]

Yeah, I got a haircut.

[B]

Just a trim.

[A]

Not a big deal. Guys. You're like.

[B]

You get your hair cut every three weeks.

[A]

Stop freaking out about how different it looks like. I know. I just wanted to switch it up. Stop freaking out.

[B]

Is this your new LA hair?

[A]

Yeah. I love la.

[B]

But for the record, like, you did go in on Jeffrey.

[A]

I lit. Okay. You know what I did? I went in on Jeopardy. And you know what? He needed it. I feel like no one.

[B]

I don't think he's like a protected class, like.

[A]

Yeah, sorry. And like, I. You know what? I actually can't get into this again.

[B]

Without going in on him.

[A]

Yeah. Actually, yeah, I do. Yeah.

[B]

You have to restrain yourself.

[A]

Yeah, that's fine.

[B]

Okay, well, I think we should get into what we have to get into because we have a lot to discuss today. So without further ado to do. To do. Here are the facts. Five stories that you to do need to know.

[A]

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[B]

Thank you, Turt.

[A]

Man, I wish you on the Fallen Star never did be any good. I ain't got a knock on wood. Okay, I have so many thoughts. Let's talk about the fact that, like, everyone's hating the album. Like, everyone's hating the album. And once again, like, I'm not. No, I, I, I agree with some of, like, the bigger thoughts being said about, like, some of the lyrics are weird, 1000%. Like diplomatize me and Open My Thighs. Like, no Taylor in this album specifically would, but just the album in general is very much giving that scene of Joseph Gordon Levitt in 500 Days of Summer when he finally has sex and then he goes out and there's like a movie musical flash mob and his whole life is like, bigger, better and more amazing. It's like was. That's just like the whole vibe. It's like she's finally having sex. Or like finally having good sex. I don't know. I can get past the lyrics. I can. I agree that this is the only real failure of this album is, like, thematically, it's the first time Taylor, like, the, it's like not all making sense. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

That has set us up for something that one like, didn't deliver in the sense of what it was supposed to be on two fronts. One, about being a showgirl and two, this was supposed to be 12 blank spaces. And it's.

[A]

Okay, so I don't necessarily agree with your second point. But yes, the first point. Like, thematically, the name of the album, the words, the, like the era of her life. Like, I'm not seeing how, you know, talking about this tragedy for your friend who you grew up with is a part of Life of a Showgirl behind the scenes of the Arrows tour. Like, I think a lot of it is just like, songs put together, which is what an album is. But hers are always, like, so cohesive, so thematic. And I'm just like, not understanding the life of a showgirl of it all. But I can get past that because every other artist does that and, like, nobody cares. But Taylor's just, like, often better than that.

[B]

Yeah. And, like, she's being compared to herself where that's not something that she's done before is, like, put out this entire aesthetic and, like, mythology around something, and then it not be that at all. Especially one that's so exciting and so ripe for, like, parginess and creativity. And then instead it's just like, not that.

[A]

So can we now do what we did. Yeah. On Friday and go through all the songs? Because now I feel like I have way more to say about each song.

[B]

Yeah. But what I want to say, I feel like I'm always, you know, the very honest in my thoughts about Taylor, for better or for worse. And I am a Swifty and I have been since day one. And I feel like the way I'm enjoying this album, I feel like the experience people are having with this album, like, I already had with, like, ttpd of that, like, disappointment almost of, like, this person doesn't have a lot new to say, doesn't have new ways of saying it. And I felt like for ttpd, it was so many songs to get about three hits for me. Three songs that I really like.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Three songs that I really Like. Whereas this album is 12 songs, and I still got three songs that I really like. So I'm like, this is more concise. This is more fun. I feel like for a while, I've been feeling like the lyrics are cringe. There are cringe lyrics on ttb? Yes, there are very. Like, even I know people were, like, joking about, like, the Charlie who thing, but, like, that was a really bad lyric line like that. And I got, you know, had fun with it, but it was like we smoked and ate seven bars of chocolate. Are you gonna tell me what time you went to the bathroom as well? Like, I. It's so in the weeds, and I feel like. So what people are saying about this album is how I felt about tcbd and even a couple songs off Midnights where it's like, we didn't need this song. Sounds like some other songs. Not much new is said it like. But there are also some incredible songs on that album that, like, really make the album. And the rest is sort of filler. I felt like this album had the less of that filler verbal diarrhe Korea. So I was able to enjoy it more.

[A]

Yes. So we do not align on ttpd because to me, TTPD is very much like a Sister of Folklore Evermore, which is so my vibe. And like, yes, it's very long winded and I happen to really like that. Not, you know, for when I go on the treadmill every once in a while, but, like, for the most part, I love it. Yes, the cringe lyrics are something. They're not new. I think a lot of people have ignored her cringe lyrics. Like, even I come back stronger than a 90s trend.

[B]

Like my ex man bought his new girl. Girl. I was just singing that song. I'm like. And when that came out, people like felt like that was cringe, but it just aged as well. Because it's, yes, a catchy beat, but the cringe lyrics are not new. But I do think as she gets older, one, they're getting like a little cringier, but also relative to her age.

[A]

Well, it's just like, the thing is, it's just who she is. I feel like we say this a lot. Like Taylor herself is like a self proclaimed, like cheugy millennial. So to hear it in like a cool pop song, it sounds off, but at least it's authentic to who she is and what I was gonna say. Oh, yes. So the thing is, is that Taylor. What's different in Taylor's life? Like, she's married. I mean, excuse me, she's engaged. This is clearly like a new, different type of relationship. It's like her biggest yet. She's never been engaged. But at the end of the day, like, what she writes about is love and being in love. And when she's writing those songs, like, about Joe Alwyn, now they're not in love, but they were. So her being in love is like not new. And her writing a lot of these songs about, you know, people are saying. And she references the music industry, which a.k.a. is like Scott Borchetta. A lot of Kim is definitely referencing one of the songs. They want a fat ass and a baby face like we're beating horses dead. And there's no newness in terms of content. She's writing about love, which she's written about before and like the same three scandals in her life. And like, that's where I feel it's getting repetitive. And I selfishly, like, I'm over it.

[B]

Yeah. But I actually feel like the songs that she wrote about love on this album and the new love she's experiencing, you know, like one that's like positive and happy and cute and not like depressing are the best songs. Like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So she actually has something new to say in her relationship with Travis. So I don't even think it's like, oh, you get happy and you get boring. Like, not at all.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

But I do think, like, the ages old beef. The. The, Like, I. Yeah, I am a bit sick of those, but I'm also sick of, like, hearing, like, these, like, minute details that are so niche to the point of, like, I'm not, like, gonna be walking around, like, singing about this, like, small thing. So.

[A]

So let's. Let's go. Song. My song.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

First, the fate of Ophelia, which is the lead single. I believe it's also the song that she did a music video for that's now out. But it was in the movie that she made ever that she released in amc. I watch a music video. I absolutely loved it. I thought it was so beautiful. She looked insane. I love the different vignettes. Like, it was pargy. And that song is really good. It's a kind of what Taylor does best. Like, a pargy radio pop song that you can't get out of your head.

[B]

Yeah. I really like this song, but now I. And I'm getting, like. I'm getting so much like, T. Loas, just commentary in general. And another piece we have to talk about is, like, the song sounding like other songs, which I'm like, we'll get to that. But I saw a commentary about how, like, her description of Ophelia is actually, like, not Ophelia. What happened in the book in Hamlet. Like, that she's just, like, waiting in this tower for, like, a love to be rescued. Like, that's, like, really not, like, it's.

[A]

Like, Snow White, actually.

[B]

Yeah. No, it sounds like a Disney princess. And, like, actually, like, Ophelia, like, her tragedy is like, she had no agency. Like, she was, like, told what to do by her, like, brother and her dad.

[A]

And, like.

[B]

And now it's like. Like, I feel like on other albums when she would talk about these, like, larger concepts, like, they're Clarabo. They're so above all of our pay grades that, like, there's no criticism. Like, what are you, Right?

[A]

We can't just get major.

[B]

You don't. You know, nothing. And so now it's like, to criticize like, that or even poke holes in, like, the fact that she maybe used this reference incorrectly.

[A]

It's like, Travis's influence. Well, damn Travis's influence.

[B]

So. But at other. Before, the song was, like, you know, tainted for me by that piece of commentary. I. This is such a great song. It's on my liked. Love it.

[A]

Agreed. It's Party.

[B]

And usually there's, like, a little dance on the album. I always start at number two. I never like the first song on her album. Like, Fortnite.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't agree, but.

[B]

Yeah, but this one, actually, Elizabeth Taylor is number two. And even though people are saying it's growing on them, it's, like, not really growing on me. But that's okay.

[A]

It's a. It's like a good. It's not a bad song. There's only one song that is actually bad on this album, and it's called Honey. But Elizabeth Taylor's, like, a good song. If any other, like, pop girly released it, we'd be like, it's good. Like, but just. It's.

[B]

I disagree.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't also, like, fully understand what she's saying in Elizabeth Taylor.

[B]

Yeah, I don't really either.

[A]

Do you think it's Forever Elizabeth? But I don't turn it off when I listen to it. I'm like, it's cute. It's fine. I like to be.

[B]

I didn't save it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Did you?

[A]

I don't save music like that when I listen to the album in full, and that's how I listen to ttpd, and that's why I love ttbd.

[B]

Next, the best song on the album. And the best song, I think, like, on the last three albums, not Midnights, but the others. Opalite.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So good.

[A]

So. Right. You were dancing through the lightning strike, and there are so many theories about what it meant to go from Onyx night to Opalite. Jackie cracked the code, but people on Tick Tock are being really crazy about it.

[B]

So I was listening to. And it's like, we know Opalite is Travis's birthstone, so now this guy is Opalite because it's Travis's birthstone is this.

[A]

And Opalite's also, just, like, beautiful and pargy, and she's, like, so happy and light and bright.

[B]

And she was previously dancing through the Onyx night. Now every time I hear that lyric, I'm like. I would have thought she would just say, like, dancing through the darkest night. Because if it was, like, dark times.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, wait, Onyx. Is that a birthstone? Yes, it is a birthstone for the month of July. So I went through recent exes. No one's born in July.

[A]

I went all that's chat GPT. They said Connor Kennedy is the only one. So she's not referencing, like, an old boyfriend, clearly.

[B]

But they met in the month of July, so Like in July. It wasn't Onyx night because it was dark before she met Travis and now she's having Opalite.

[A]

Yeah. There are some like crazy swifties who think that Onyx night because Onyx is black. They're referencing Taylor. Taylor. They're referencing Travis's ex girlfriend who's black. Like, people, like people are really being crazy about this lyric. It's specifically. But they're also like, they've. The. The woke community is coming for Taylor in a lot of the lyrics and specifically saying that this is a microaggression.

[B]

Oh, well, no, I don't think she.

[A]

Would be so blatantly.

[B]

No, no, you. It's just about the month I cracked it. So there you go.

[A]

Yeah. Jackie cracked it. They met in July.

[B]

They met. They met in July. Onyx is the birthstone for July. And the song has a theme of birthstones because his is Opalite, which is October. Oh, his birthday was yesterday.

[A]

Happy birthday to Travis. I love your cake, Travis.

[B]

I love your cake, Travy.

[A]

Yes, Agreed. That song is a pussy popping banger.

[B]

Yeah. And like, for me, that's like such an amazing song that this makes this album amazing. Like, I got one of my favorite songs. That's why I'm enjoying the album. Yeah, it's all right.

[A]

It's just joyful too. Right? And that's like definitely what I gravitate towards. Joy.

[B]

Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. Like, she's writing about her love with Travis. It's a new form of love. It's a beautiful song and it's great and it's fun. So it can be done.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Next Eldest daughter.

[A]

I'm not a bad. There's a lot of Cringler figure, but.

[B]

We'Ll get back to it.

[A]

And this isn't savage. I ain't never going to let you down Never going to leave you out. Okay, there's actually a lyric in here that's trolling and memes. Like, she says the word meme.

[B]

That's the first sentence that. That's hard to hear.

[A]

It is so it's like she's creating these beautiful melodies and her voice is so beautiful. And then she'll say something that just like takes you out of the song and like, I'm sorry, a song like this can't age well because, like, memes. You know, memes. Like, I can't.

[B]

Yeah, no, it's. It's rough. And also, I heard that the clean version of this song goes, I. I'm not the baddest and this is in Savage. I like that better. I'm not a bad.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

Is like, really yucky cringe. But it's. But the lot. The melody is really pretty, so it's not a total, like, miss for me, but same.

[A]

And I understand what she's saying, and I actually like what she's saying. Like, in this world of, like, Internet and trolling and just, like, negativity, like, she's not like that. Like, she doesn't play. Like. Like, I actually get it. And she's such an eloquent person. I feel like there would have been a partier way to say it instead of I'm not a bad bitch. And this is in Savage.

[B]

I think I need to start listening to the clean version of the album because I like some of those lyrics that make.

[A]

I heard that about a bunch of songs.

[B]

Yeah. Like for. Because for the movie theater version, it's the clean versions of the song. So you could bring your kids.

[A]

Oh, that's nice.

[B]

Of like the one. The lyric that everybody's, like, dying over actually, like, actually romantic, like, make you.

[A]

Oh, we have to talk about that.

[B]

Makes you sweat.

[A]

Perfect.

[B]

Then before, that was Father figure, which people are saying. It's either about Scott Borchetta, Olivia Rodrigo, or both Inverted. It's something.

[A]

So in the movie theater, she says it's about the music industry.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

AKA Scott Borchetta.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'll be a father. Oh, because my dick's bigger. That's like a cringe line that I don't hate.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I.

[B]

And the first time I heard it, I missed it. And then when she said at the bridge, when she turns the tables because now her dick's bigger.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was like, well, damn. But in the clean version, it's my checks bigger. I like.

[A]

Also good.

[B]

I like that.

[A]

Also good. I. This song is not amazing. It's not terrible. It's fine.

[B]

It's on the bottom half for me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Next is ruin the friendship, which. How does the chorus go?

[A]

It wasn't convenient. How does it go? Hold on, wait.

[B]

Oh, I mean, I have them up here. I could play it. Hold on. I don't want to hear should have kissed you anyway.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Anyway.

[A]

I don't want to say anything bad about it because it's, like, obviously about something sad. And I think it's also the same person in Taylor's life who Forever Winter was about. It's just about, like, somebody who struggled with mental health. So it's like a sweet song. I think the lyric about her getting the call From Abigail and having to fly home and it not being convenient. I think that was a really weird word to use. Convenient. Like, sorry, sorry that this funeral is not convenient for you.

[B]

Yeah. Also, her talking about, like, that she's. It's about prom.

[A]

Well, one thing about Taylor is that she often uses the structure of, like, high school as a metaphor for stuff. No, it's not. I know what you're saying. But like, a lot of people.

[B]

When she released Miss Americana. Yeah, yeah, no, she's talking about. I love the high school metaphor. She wears short skirts, I wear T shirts. Like, I love it. It.

[A]

Right.

[B]

She's Talking about, like, 30 years ago, her problem.

[A]

Yeah. And this is a nice song about, like, something she's been through, but I don't understand how it fits into the album from, like, a bigger perspective.

[B]

Especially, like, 12 bops that we were promised, not just a stream of consciousness.

[A]

Right. And that's what this is. It's very TTP day.

[B]

Yeah, it is.

[A]

Maybe it was from the cutting room floor of ttpd.

[B]

Yeah. But this song had no. Like, this song was, like, only hit. Like, only the best of the best.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Next. Actually Romantic, the Charlie XCX song.

[A]

Yeah. Charlie XCX posted actually that she's in the studio. So it's giving, you know, diss track coming back. And if I was Taylor, I'd be really scared, like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because, you know, Charlie XCX invented brat. And if you actually look up the definition of brat, like, the definition of Brad is like, having loose morals. Right. And you don't want somebody with loose morals writing a diss track about you. Like, that's. That's the scariest thing ever. I don't know why Taylor wrote a song about Charlie xx. Even though I'm down, like, I ride for Taylor in Taylor vs Charlie. Like, I do not with Charlie.

[B]

There's this coalition emerging against Taylor.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I feel like, you know, five years ago there was one that sort of have moved on with their lives. And even though she talks about them all the time, it's like Kim and Scooter and Justin and, like, everyone's sort of moved on except for Taylor. But that's fine. They don't, like, I don't think, get together and meet about, like, how they're gonna take her down. No, I think this coalition of Charlie xcx, Matty Healy, Billie Eilish. Billie Eilish. Lord.

[A]

So Phineas actually reposted a video that somebody posted that Taylor's new album feels spiritually Israeli, like in a derogatory sense. And Phineas reposted it. Everybody's like, yes. Our pro Palestinian Kang, Phineas. And I just want to say, I hate Phineas. Yes, there's a big group of losers who hate Taylor. It's because they're jealous. And, yes, Charlie xcx. But I do feel like they have a kind of a strong chokehold on culture. And it's, like, not good for Taylor in the pop wars.

[B]

I think Taylor will emerge. And I'm so firmly Team Taylor, of course, like, them not liking her makes me like her, like her more.

[A]

It's all the people I don't like that don't like Taylor. So I'm good.

[B]

But it is like, a group of crazy people. Because, like, Kim and Scooter, like, they're not crazy. They're just like, you know. No, the intense business people, whatever. But, like, those people are crazy.

[A]

Radical.

[B]

Where's Lord? Because I kind of put her in that group.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And people were saying that one of Taylor's songs sounds like Yellow Flicker Beat from Lord. Does it from Hunger Games. And I feel like, if any. Like, a lot of people are saying a lot, like, I don't think the Jonas Brothers are going to sue Taylor over Cool Showgirl. I think it's cool for them, and they're not. They don't want to awake the beast.

[A]

But also, I don't know if they necessarily have legal grounds to stand on. Like, sometimes a song sounds like another song, and it's completely within the rights of. And that's what happened with Ed Sheeran versus the Tom Petty. No Tom Petty. I think there's both.

[B]

I think we've had this conversation, right?

[A]

So sometime. Oh, no, that was. Sorry. Sam Smith versus Tom Petty both. They both won. Sam Smith and Ed Sheeran songs can legally sound the same. There are only so many chords to put together.

[B]

There's eight notes.

[A]

But, like, what Olivia Rodrigo did was use a sample of Taylor Swift's New Year's Day, like, that chord progression and not credit it. That's illegal. And that's why Taylor gets a cut of Olivia Rodrigo songs. So I have to imagine if anybody could sue Taylor, they would. But Taylor's not that stupid. Like, some songs might sound like other songs, but in a completely legal way.

[B]

I'm just saying, just look out.

[A]

I know that's like a big. That's a big issue for Taylor, and that's what a lot of the Taylor haters are saying, is that, like, Taylor's the credit queen, right? She, like, you know, took the profits from a Teenage girl, Olivia Rodrigo. Since Olivia Rodrigo is not a teenage girl, everybody needs to stop calling her that. Oh, sorry. I started this whole point by saying I almost wish Taylor didn't write this song about Charlie xcx because it's so punching down. Right? Like, Taylor's the biggest star in the world. Like, who is Charlie? I know Charlie X is having a big moment with Brat, but she's not on the same level as Taylor. She will not be remembered for years to come. And now the Kim is a word worthy adversary for Taylor. Charlie X. Yes. Is not. And now this song is. I don't know what's going to come out, but I just know she's going to say like the most horrible things about Taylor. Like there's like. Like that's just like she said, Brat is loose morals. So you're not gonna like, hold back.

[B]

Yeah. And it's just crazy that like, she's like, it's Charlie exists and she's one of the 12.

[A]

Right. And there's only 12 songs.

[B]

Yeah, the 12 just like holds it to a higher standard.

[A]

I know. And the song is good. It's fine. Except for the wet line. Like really unnecessary inversion. Right.

[B]

Next is Wish list.

[A]

Okay, so this one, like, I love the message. I love the beat. There are a lot of cringe lyrics, but like, I don't care.

[B]

Yeah, I enjoy it. I really like the message. That's what I had said.

[A]

And so she's having babies.

[B]

We didn't need dollar signs.

[A]

No, but I love the message. It's like you can want different things. Like, for. I feel like Taylor was basically saying, like, I've always been a girl boss. Girl boss, girl boss. Career, career, career. And now she's found this love, like, and she wants a girl boss and settle down. Like, she's settling down. She wants a basketball hoop. She's having a crop of kids. Got the whole block looking like you. I love love.

[B]

Yeah. Next would. Which is a song about Travis's penis wrapped in double entendres.

[A]

It's a 2 minute and 30 second songs. 230 centimeters is 9 inches. It's the ninth song. They're saying Travis is a big juicy 9 inch dick. That's what's being said. And then Taylor's out, like, celebrating the album with her parents. And Donna is going to like, release party songs. Parties. Like, I don't know. I need to look past lyrics because I want to say vibe wise, melodically, this is the best song of the album. It is so much fun. It does sound like Jackson 5. And by the way, the Jackson 5 is amazing. Like, yeah, I love that. I don't know what style of music that is, but it's just like happy music. I love this song and I really listen to it, like, blindly in the sense that, like, I know the words, but I'm not listening to them.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Didn't do me any good. I ain't got a knock gun wood. Like yes. Party, party.

[B]

Though I don't love the concept of like writing about penis. Penis. The fact that I listened to it the first time, it wasn't so overt. Like, it is more like double entendre Little Breener. I think she's been influenced by the brain. I know people are saying, like, she's trying to be Sabrina being sex. I think you can be influenced by someone. I think at today.

[A]

Yes. But I also think this is like a real life reflection of what's going on in Taylor's life. Like, we have to like, take stock of all the people Taylor has previously dated. And I just don't think she was like, getting down in the way that she is. Like, yeah, it's giving 500 days of summer.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Or like, I would be surprised she.

[B]

Wrote a song like this about, like, Joe or Maddie. They would be like, embarrassed. Whereas Travis. Yeah, sick. Like, yeah, right about that. It's the best.

[A]

Totally. And let's be real, like, she was not writing songs like this at Travis about Maddie and Joe. Like, it just wasn't going down like that. Like, I just know it. Like I said, 500 days a summer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God. It's literally raving Gates on the Bachelor.

[B]

That's what I was thinking too. And now and then I realized, like, oh, it must be. That must have been a callback to that movie that you're talking about.

[A]

Maybe Taylor just watched Nick Vile Season. Is that who it was? Yeah, maybe he. She just re watched that season of the Bachelor and that was her inspiration.

[B]

You. I wouldn't be surprised. She loves reality TV and mishrap noses.

[A]

I just want to say sometimes I know when Taylor's influenced by stuff like the song Champagne Problems is totally influenced by Evelyn Hugo. I really think that Taylor watched recently 500 Days of Summer and she related to like, that him walking to work, like, with such a giddy smile because he finally got laid. That's what it feels like. She was like, dating this, like, skinny, like, shorter than her British man who definitely had bad breath. Like, no. And now she's with Travis and it's nine inch, like, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I've got something to say about.

[A]

And in the. I spoke to Satyashre this morning, our Taylor Swift RT Loas correspondent, because she went to the movie theater yesterday.

[B]

I watched her review.

[A]

I spoke to her and she said that she talks about wood in the movie. Just being like, it's a song about superstition, you know, walking on cracks, knocking on wood.

[B]

I like that she said it's all that.

[A]

That's all it's about.

[B]

And I. And I like that we can think that.

[A]

Yes, agreed.

[B]

You know, there's a version for the.

[A]

Kids and there's a version stigmatize. I didn't need that word specific.

[B]

I wonder what the lyric is on the clean version.

[A]

Hypnotize.

[B]

Beautiful.

[A]

Beautiful.

[B]

Next. Canceled.

[A]

Okay. This song's getting a lot of hate. I love the message. Good thing I like my friend. It's giving reputation.

[B]

I agree. And the first time I heard it, I said I like elements of this song. There are some cringe lyrics. I don't know why the title is in caps with an exclamation point when we're not screaming, we're right.

[A]

It's actually very sultry.

[B]

We're singing in a sultry manner. So that's like, just not congruous for me.

[A]

But like, Brittany Mahomes getting a song like, well, she's one year in. People wait a long time.

[B]

She's the friend that's canceled.

[A]

I liked him. Draped in Gucci and in scandal. When they went to the US Open, they were all wearing Gucci. And that was like, the peak of her friendship with Brittany Mahomes. And everybody's like, Taylor's friends with Maga and like, everybody was coming for Travis and Taylor and, like, not being appropriate at the U.S. open. Remember? Like, like, there was so much scandal with that one event. I do believe this is about Brittany Mahomes, amongst other things. Like, all of Taylor's friends have. Like, anytime she spotted with someone, it's like, well, they once went on a podcast. Like, everybody like Taylor. It's like, annoying fans. I think that's what it's referencing. Yeah. Does nobody else think that?

[B]

I didn't think it was about Britney specifically. And I feel like a lot of her friends could wear Gucci. And I didn't see that US Open thing as being like, marvelous matching Gucci. She was wearing Reformation.

[A]

Travis and they were wearing Gucci.

[B]

There was Gucci happening, but I don't know. And also, I don't recall that event being like, Martin Scandal. So that's not like, where My head goes, of course, Blake Lively, like, does come to mind a couple things. One, Taylor's wearing a Blake Lively bracelet in the.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Photo shoot. It was, like, a custom by Lorraine Schwartz. But I do think, like, two people could have the same bracelet.

[A]

No. Taylor doesn't overlook details like that. Like, somebody would have put it together. I don't know if it's, like, a nod to, like, my bestie Blake, who I ride for, or it's like a reference. Like, this was like, blake can't come to the phone right now because she's dead, and I stole her bracelet.

[B]

Oh, interesting. I don't know. But then this song, like, makes. And her putting it out, like, at the moment where, like, Blake is.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Canceled and they're not friends. Like, makes me feel like they actually are still friends. And when she says.

[A]

Oh, a lot of people say father figures. It could be about Ryan Reynolds, too. Like, that. That Ryan, like, threatened Taylor on behalf of Blake being like, come defend us. Or, like, whatever. And she's like, mow my dick's bigger. Like, I can get my subpoena. You know?

[B]

And there's also references to flowers in this canceled song, which was the big reason why Blake was canceled, because she.

[A]

Right. Because she was promoting flowers.

[B]

And also, like, did you make a joke? Only a man could. Like, I feel like, the way that, like, like, Blake is being canceled because, like, you know, her diva behavior on set, like, if a man did those things, like, Right. I don't know.

[A]

I just want to say I hope it's about Blake. Like, I don't want Blake and Taylor to not be friends. One, I think it's an important friendship for Taylor, but also, like, if, like, it just so it makes the whole thing so much worse for Blake Lively. Like, and I just. I actually hope that they're not.

[B]

Yeah. But that's why there will be a wedding and a bachelorette party and.

[A]

Yeah. And Taylor said on Graham Norton, everyone's invited.

[B]

Yeah. Next Honey, which you and I both agree is the worst song on the album, and I'm glad that we are aligned on that. Margot Ashe posted, like, I feel like we're not talking about Honey enough. I'm like, yeah, we're not talking about how on purpose.

[A]

That it is enough on purpose. We're not talking about it.

[B]

Yeah. And then Life of a Showgirl featuring Brina, which is, like, what we were promised. The princess who was promised.

[A]

So many people have made references to this song being very similar to the Greatest Showman bar scene where Carlisle. Philip Carlisle Pt Me to the. And it's where this, like, old and new sort of decide to join forces and work together and then eventually pass the baton on to Zac Efron. And it's so Olivia Rodrigo coded. I'm sorry. Like, it's literally Taylor's always talking about how the industry's, like, trying to push her out, push her out, push her out. But the song really says, like, the ERAS tour made me like, I'm married to the hustle now. Like, she. No one can ever. There's not, like, a new Taylor Swift. Like, Taylor Swift's reach. A level that nobody else will ever reach, but they're always like, new, new, new. And it's like her totally, like, passing the baton on to Brina. Like, she's okay with Breener being, like, the next Taylor, but Taylor's not going anywhere. The song is just melodically, sonically, so good. But listen to the lyrics. It's so Philip Carlisle coded. And that's exactly what happened. The greatest showman.

[B]

But, like, I feel like people really. There is no Taylor next Taylor. I agree with that. And, like, Taylor's here to stay. But, like, there's so many girls who she brings up with her. Like, what about Gracie Abrams? She doesn't get to be a part of this conversation because she's not part of Olivia V's Breener. But, like, Taylor's done the same thing for her. She's collab with her on song. She had her open for her. Like, she has gotten as.

[A]

Gracie Abrams is not threatening to Taylor Swift's place in music at all. Sabrina is a little. And Olivia Rodrigo was.

[B]

Gracie is a little. Because of her songwriting abilities.

[A]

Okay. But, you know, Gracie's like, songwriting billings are all that girl Audrey Hobart.

[B]

No, I don't know that because I, like, why would I know Audrey?

[A]

Yeah. Do you know the song? That girl's song? I can't remember. Whatever. Like, she writes a lot with this girl Audrey. And then Audrey just released her own album. And it's like, literally, that's the Gracie Abrams vibe. Like, the talking. They're not breathing, singing. It's a scholar Audrey. So I'm just saying, I don't think Gracie Abrams poses a real threat to Taylor's ability. Like, her passing the baton to Gracie. It's like, no, actually, you actually can't reach.

[B]

Okay. I'm just saying there are a lot of people who, like, we just go, like, for Breener versus Olivia. Because it's. I'm.

[A]

Olivia Rodrigo is all over this album. Like, she just is.

[B]

But I Do think from a songwriting perspective, like, Olivia Rodrigo would be amongst the next Taylor Swifts that we have.

[A]

Yes, of course. That's why, like, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So that is your t. Loas recap. Oh, and then she announced, like, acoustic.

[A]

Oh, my God. By the way, read the room girl. She has to stop doing that. Yeah, it's what people always criticize her for. And, like, there's so much Taylor criticism that's just like. I just say you hate her. Like, your reasoning sucks. This is so valid. And the names.

[B]

There's 12 songs and you're not getting any more. Whereas, like, when she did midnights and then like, midnight's 2:00am version, it's like, well, we never thought we weren't getting more, but so to say that we're not getting more, and then we get five more and they're like, okay. Acoustic mashups with, like, so many words. It's just a lot.

[A]

So here are the. The songs that she's releasing. Life of a song, Life is a song, acoustic version with Opalite. Life is a song, acoustic version. And Ruin the friendship, My advice version. What? Dressing room rehearsal version with Wish List, Settle down, acoustic version. And the Life of a Showgirl, Dressing room rehearsal, acoustic version. Alone in my Tower, acoustic version with the Fate of Opilia. Alone in my tower, acoustic version and Eldest daughter Now your home acoust acoustic version.

[B]

And you. How can you listen to these songs? Not even on Spotify.

[A]

There are four. Four limited CD releases each including two acoustic bonus tracks on her site now for 24 hours. But if you want all the different versions, you need to buy all four CDs now. This is her way of, like, gaming, you know, the charts and making herself the most, you know, downloaded, streamed in cd. And I get it, like, releasing multi. A lot of people release different versions. Sabrina released, like, a couple of different covers. Taylor has now released, like four or five vinyls with different covers. And there's so much imagery coming out of Taylor's camp, Like different music videos, photo shoots, alternative covers. Every single picture I see is 50 times better than the one she chose for the COVID Just saying.

[B]

Yeah, she has already sold like 2.7 million copies on day one of Life of a Showgirl, which is the second best for an album's first week in history. And she's on.

[A]

What was the first best number one.

[B]

Is Adele's 25 with which sold 3.4 million albums. And like it. Even if Taylor happens to sell 3.5 million, like, it's not as impressive.

[A]

That was three honestly, Adele. Adele's not doing multiple covers and vibes signed on her website.

[B]

Four million people buying Adele's album, right?

[A]

With Taylor's 2.7, it's like a million people buying three different versions of it. Yeah, that's. That's a very valid criticism of Taylor. It's also just, like, so wasteful.

[B]

Oh, Billie Eilish. Okay.

[A]

No, it is. I'm not Billie Eilish. Don't ever call me that. That's like the most insulting thing you can call me.

[B]

I just feel like it's so.

[A]

Stupid.

[B]

Yeah. Like I. I don't care about, like, the material waste. It's just like.

[A]

Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't talking about, like, the recycling of it all. Like, people's money. Like, it's wasteful.

[B]

Yeah, but people get to choose what they spend their money on. No one is forcing you to buy.

[A]

No.

[B]

The shiny Bug collection. I just feel like it's so, like, in your, like, drinking your own Kool Aid. Like, in your own, like, it's just.

[A]

Like, it's not necessary.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. But people can do what they want as they please. Including her if she wants to put out some more vinyls. Are you ready for our next story?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

At last, the weirdest story I ever shared. Ex jets quarterback Mark Sanchez acted erratically and body slammed a truck driver before being stabbed in Indianapolis.

[A]

Cops say we are always talking about Mark Sanchez. I just want to say that, like, remember during COVID we found out Mark Sanchez, like, was a toaster. And then I went live on Instagram with him, like, because, like, whatever.

[B]

No, I honestly don't remember that.

[A]

Oh, you remember when I went live on Instagram with Mark Sanchez?

[B]

No, but I do remember we were just talking about him. Him.

[A]

We're always talking about Mark Sanchez.

[B]

You guys don't realize our work has paid off because he is headline news.

[A]

And like, now he's like, headline news for this. But before this, he was like, you know, a very low level sports broadcaster when I was in high school.

[B]

He is still a sports broadcaster.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. But when we were in high school, Mark Sanchez was like the hottest thing on the planet. He was coming to the jets to save us. He was like this hot young thing. If there was like a two year period where he was on the COVID of the New York Post every single day. Like, he was, was. He had such promise, such potential. And now he's, like, beating up older gentlemen in backyards. Like, when I saw this headline, at first it was just Mark Sanchez.

[B]

Yes. But I Was like stabbed and hospitalized. Yeah.

[A]

Not my Mark Sanchez.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I was like, no.

[B]

At first it was like tragic news that he was stabbed and in the hospital in critical condition. And then it was also like, and he's arrested there.

[A]

Then things started to take a turn, saying like he was arrested. There was footage of him in an alley. And the other man who was stabbing Mark in self defense was 69 years.

[B]

Old and he's a truck driver now.

[A]

You give everyone the details. I'm finally going to get my LaCroix.

[B]

Former Jack's quarterback Mark Sanchez was acting erratically, reeked of booze, and was slurring his words when he body slammed an elderly grease truck driver just before he was stabbed in the chest in Indianapolis. The 69 year old driver said he stabbed Sanchez several times in self defense after the attack. Telling cops, this guy is trying to kill me. Court documents say grim photos. We also have photos of the alleged victim, the truck driver. Those photos show him wearing a neck brace and covered in blood, lying bruised and battered in his hospital bed. His family says he was cut in the fight and it went through his cheek and hit his tongue.

[A]

Ah. And like Mark was drunk.

[B]

Mark was.

[A]

That's what the guy told the police. He was like slurring his words, starting stuff. Seriously, I never thought I'd say these three words. Mark Sanchez.

[B]

What the is wrong with starting fights.

[A]

With like older people? Like pick on someone your own size. First of all, your former athlete messing with this older gentleman. I hope he sues the fuck out of Mark. Where's the gofundme? I'm so upset.

[B]

Yeah. And like what were they arguing? What was even the catalyst?

[A]

I think it was like a pedestrian. Like, can you move your car? Like a parking thing. That's how it started. Like, can you move your car? You're in my way. Get out of my way. The hotel said this, like something so silly.

[B]

That's so crazy.

[A]

That's Mark Sanchez.

[B]

Yeah. It just began as a disagreement escalated into violence.

[A]

Like, like if you find yourself as like an able bodied young man fighting with a 69 year old, like you.

[B]

Are doing something wrong, shouting at him and like in his face. But the man couldn't hear because he wears hearing aids.

[A]

But he said, oh, stop, I'm gonna kill myself.

[B]

Because the frying oil truck that he works, the grease truck gets really loud. So he took out his hearing aids and that. And so when Mark yelled at him, he couldn't hear him, so he had to get in his face.

[A]

Oh my God. That detail made Me so upset.

[B]

No, like, what the is Mark Sanchez doing?

[A]

Mark Sanchez? Like Mark Sanchez? I'm so upset. Oh, my. That little detail just made me, like, really upset.

[B]

No, it's. It's actually absurd, hopefully.

[A]

And since I.

[B]

We know more soon because, like, what, like, I just don't understand how and what they're.

[A]

Wait, that's so upsetting. Him and his hearing aids.

[B]

I don't know. Weirdest story.

[A]

The weirdest. Yes.

[B]

So we'll stay tuned for deets on that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Our next story, some more legal news. Diddy has been sentenced to four years in prison after a mixed verdict in his federal prosecution prostitution trial.

[A]

So this doesn't feel like a lot of time. Like, I know if I was sent to prison for four years, like, it would be the longest four years of my life. It's an eternity. But just in the grand scheme of things, you know, I love to compare it to like the Chrisleys. I don't know how you get accused of like, oh, he got accused of me go to jail for four years.

[B]

But he didn't get like, convicted of everything. I think he got like convicted actually of like the smaller things. I also feel like the trial, I don't know if everything like, came to light. If the, if, if it was like a successful.

[A]

We were promised a list.

[B]

I don't know if it was like a successful prosecution, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm sure, like, the sentence will be probably shorter than overcrowding, which is apparently a real thing behavior, so.

[A]

And is he going to Rikers? Oh, but also he's like low key. Been in jail already for like a year or two. And that counts towards your sentence. So while you're like waiting trial if you can't get out because he was, you know, without bail, he has been in Rikers for at least a year, maybe two.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because we were in the old studio. I remember when you're talking about it. So he could get out in two years because it's all it counts towards your sentence. That's so crazy.

[B]

That is so crazy. He'll also have to pay the court a fine of $500,000 as well as participate in programs for his mental health and substance abuse issues. There is no restitution.

[A]

Cool. Okay. That was like a whole big nothing burger.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It always is.

[B]

It always is. There were no cameras inside the court, but there are illustrations.

[A]

I know. And those illustrators, like, they go hard, you know, they put their own spit. I love those court illustrations. But high profile cases that are not televised. I just I can't. I feel like it's like a. I know it's. It's state by state. They all have their own laws, but it should be like a public service, like a part of his punishment. Like, you know, the shame of having your trial televised.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just saying.

[B]

So that's the latest with that. Are you ready for our fourth story?

[A]

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[A]

Open up.

[B]

Our fourth story is made for Claudia. Two of her favorite topics in this world. One, Hillary. Oh, oh. And two, role model Sally Guest.

[A]

It's not my favorite topic. I just like, like to keep you in the know because we've. I wish you could have seen me on Saturday, Jackie. I took Ruby for a walk. These three hot young fangs came up to me. They're like, are you Claudia from The toast girl? 16? Like, they were so young. I was like, you guys, no, mate.

[B]

You recognize me?

[A]

And sometimes I got young people come up to me and they're like, from tick tock. You know, they're like, yeah, we love the toast.

[B]

That's amazing. It's probably because you've been keeping us abreast of who comes out on Sally concerts.

[A]

And I'm so glad you brought this up. Hillary Duff did an amazing job.

[B]

She was a great Sally. So you should understand the headline here. Hillary Duff makes a surprise appearance on stage at role models ACL fest as Sally. Claudia has been keeping us abreast. That role model who is. Is a singer who sings.

[A]

He's very tick tocky. He's like a young guy. He doesn't have. He dated Emma Chamberlain, which is how everyone knows him. His name is Tucker, but he goes by the stage name role model. And his big hit is. Oh, here we go again. I'm falling head first. Saturday I'm in a soda hotter than a fever Sally. And so when he performs it live, he does this cute little thing where he'll bring out a girl and she's the Sally for the night. She comes on stage and she sings and dances. At first it was fans and then it was like influencers. Jake Shane, you know, but he's really leveled. Jason was like one of the first Sallys.

[B]

Wow. Jake Chain doing big things.

[A]

Huge. Then it really caught on to be like this big thing and he started getting like huge names. Olivia Rodrigo has done, and he's not like an enormous artist. Like it's worth mentioning. It's just like this big song. Olivia Rodrigo's done it. Kate Hudson did it. And then over the weekend he performed at Austin City Limits and he brought out Hillary Duff who like, like is Sally. And Sally's just like sort of this all American swirly. And what people do with the platform is really interesting. Kate Hudson has been like everyone's favorite because she's so. It's like Sally's a girl in a rom com. You know, you hear the song and it's just like fun loving gal and you just like, get up there. There's no choreography. You just like, let him sing to you and you like, dance and you're like cute and fun and you engage with the crowd. Some people have been terrible. Some people have been good. Kate Hudson has been amazing. And Hilary Duff crushed. Even though there's like nothing to crush. You don't do anything. She crushed. No crush.

[B]

I agree. I haven't seen footage of other people being Sally, but I know about the Sally concept. I didn't have any expectations, but I could see that Hilary Duff was doing a good job.

[A]

It's literally girl in a rom com, which she has been. So maybe that's why she like flipped her hair around. She did a little dance. And she also knew the words. Not just people coming on stage. Natalie Portman and not knowing the words.

[B]

Yeah, she knew the words. She sang along. She had her cute little mini skirt. She's coming back to music. She's doing her docu series.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like a lot of the times it's like, like people with kids who like, love Tucker because he's really like young for like young teenagers. So I could see, like Kate Hudson's kids, like, liking him and that's why she just agreed to do it. Even though I could see also him have written the song about her. Like, she's so Sally got it. And speaking of Sally, I know you're obsessed with Alex Earl's friend Sally. And huge news for Sally. Over the weekend, a video was posted because there was like Rumors that she was dating Fibula.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And she is dating Fibula. There was a video of them kissing, like, sitting on the couch. Not me seeing Fibula three days ago. And he didn't tell me at a girlfriend. I'm so upset.

[B]

That's huge for Fibula.

[A]

Yeah, no, it's huge. Okay. So it's huge because also, like, Fabula has a podcast with a girl. He, like, hosts with a girl, and everybody, like, ships him and the girl, even though they're, like, they're truly just friends. But there's, like, all these theories that, like, they're in love, but he, like, has a girlfriend. So that's, like, tough for the people who, you know, think that theory. So, like, their podcast community on Tick Tock, they were, like, burning it down. They were so upset.

[B]

I'm sure Sally's getting hate, but I'm sending Sally love as Sally's definitely getting hate. As always. Sally and her 24 hour birthday never forget yet.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's some news news.

[A]

By the way, we should do, like, a weekly segment, like, what? That just was, like, Turdy's, like, Gen Z Corner, where, like, I just, like, tell you about what's going on with the youth for sure.

[B]

But you typically do, like, send me stories if you want to talk about them. Like.

[A]

Yeah, I don't need, like, a segment to, like, share my passions. I was just saying, like, like, we.

[B]

Can definitely do Turdy's Gen Z Corner.

[A]

But can you make up a better name?

[B]

I kind of, like, love it. You do Turdy's gcc. Jesus.

[A]

Say, I love.

[B]

I kind of love the Gen Z Corner.

[A]

And it's just like, it won't happen, like, in installments because, like, Gen Z is gonna Gen Z and I can't commit happen.

[B]

Then we then say. And that was how Gen Z's is it?

[A]

No. And that's how turning Gen Z sees it, because it's Gen zc.

[B]

Oh, sure, sure. That's good. That's good.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

Collaboration collaborative. Our fifth and final story is some news news about the news.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Barry Weiss has been named editor in chief of CBS News at. As Paramount acquires the Free Press.

[A]

So I thought you were gonna say some new news and maybe they decided who's gonna permanently fill in for Jenna and Hoda. Like, what is taking them so long?

[B]

That would actually be news news.

[A]

Because it just reminded me over the weekend I thought about this too, and I texted Justin Sylvester and I was like, why aren't they giving you that job? Like, it's so obviously Justin Sylvester.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hoda went on Andy and watch Happens Live, and Andy asked, who do you want to replace you? And he literally said, Justin Sylvester.

[B]

What did Justin say when you texted him?

[A]

He was, you know, always the diplomat, very political, like, oh, it's been such.

[B]

An honor to be.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm like, it should be you. It' so annoying. And now it's like the Jeopardy thing. I don't, like, I forgot about it. I don't even care who they choose, but I cannot believe they still haven't chosen someone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's been almost a year.

[B]

I don't know. I'm. I'm off of it now. And I. I doubt that it will be, like, someone very exciting. And even if they are exciting, it's, like, sad because we're no longer excited.

[A]

Yeah. And if it's not Justin, like, I won't be excited. Like, even if they chose me, I wouldn't be excited. Like, I want it to be Justin.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's his job to lose.

[B]

Yeah. For the show that you don't watch.

[A]

Correct. But best believe I would be watching.

[B]

Yeah, that's true. Anyways, this has been, like, in the works for a while. There's been a lot of rumors about it.

[A]

Rumors.

[B]

But it's now confirmed. Barry put out, like, a video today. And her podcast saying, like, the Free Press, which is like, her original, was.

[A]

A media company that she started after she left the New York Times.

[B]

Which is like a subscription media company, but they also have, like, free articles, has been acquired.

[A]

The newsletter that, like, is immensely popular. It's like, pretty, like, middle ground political.

[B]

It's very centrist. Yeah. That's like, like the whole purpose of it.

[A]

Right. A lot of people I know, like, on multiple different sides of the political aisle, subscribe to it because she has, like, lots of different people writing for it. And we had her sister co host when I was on maternity leave. She does, like, the pop culture.

[B]

She does the pop culture beat. Barry sister Susie. They're like four girls. Also one of the best episodes of Jackson Friends.

[A]

Everyone was obsessed.

[B]

Susie was so good. And the Free Press is just. It's really great. It's really like for everyone who's in. Interested in, like, news and, like, culture, Interesting Takes has been acquired by Paramount plus or Paramount in general. And Barry. Paramount owns cbs, right. Paramount acquired Free Press, and Barry will be the editor in chief of CBS News, which is like a big.

[A]

Is that like. Is that like the website or like.

[B]

The TV channel, both CBS News in general, the brand.

[A]

I didn't even know that was like a job you could have.

[B]

So like those two brands are. Will probably be like, like merging in some sense, which is just interesting. Which would make like interesting television.

[A]

Yeah. I also feel like this marks like a huge moment in like there's so much traditional news media like tv, radio, that's been around forever and then like the new, you know, substack and people social media and this is like kind of the first big merger.

[B]

Yeah. This is like a major shift.

[A]

Yeah. I wonder what this means.

[B]

I think it will be good. I think it'll be like more opinions, more content. She's like done an amazing job of like doing like a multimedia company and Internet. She left the New York Times in 2020. So like what she'll do with the CBS newsroom and budget, like, I think, I think it's a net positive and I think it's exciting for the industry.

[A]

You love to see a woman in male dominated spaces. Specifically a Jewess and a toaster. And a toaster by osmosis.

[B]

Us. No, I think Barry's a toaster. She's so toast.

[A]

Susie really like was I. I watched the episode really giving, like everyone comes out and like, you know, is amazing and like, but she was like, so serious about like, like the stuff that we talk about because like she takes it as seriously as we do.

[B]

She's like an intellectual who's like deeply invested in pop culture. It's such a great combination.

[A]

Yeah, she's like an intellectual who's meeting us down here.

[B]

Yeah. No, it's a great episode. If you want to get a sense of what they do over there in a pop culture. So sense. Watch that episode with Susie. You love to see toasters in high places.

[A]

So I am going to dive into the love is blind recap and you tell me when it's time to take. I'll just give my cursory thoughts. I hate this show. I hate everyone. Why is everyone leaving and why is like, okay, so I feel like actually, do you remember that guy who's like suing Love is blind from. He got married to Nick and Danielle.

[B]

Nick. He's funny how, like I can't remember. I don't know anyone's names on this season that I'm watching. You texted me like, Joe is weird. I'm like, seriously, who's Joe? I've never heard that name. Nick and Danielle right here, top of my head.

[A]

So he was like suing Netflix and the production company for like, his mental health and how he's homeless now. And it was, like, really, like, made it some serious allegations about the production's behavior. So I feel like they're, like, trying to negate that by, like, letting people go and not following them around with cameras. Like, follow Ann Holmes home. Why did you, like, are we never here? I'm only on episode three. But, like, are we not hearing from Anne ever again? And then that other guy, Blake. Oh, Anna. And then Blake went home, and we're just letting them go. And I like how they had the producer, like, they left that scene and of the producer talking to Blake being like, whatever you need to do for your mental health, go. It's like, okay, Nick wrote that script.

[B]

Oh, that's so funny that that's how you saw it. I'm also just, like, at least give us kernels that these people are, like, sort of, like, struggling or not thriving into this experiment. Because, like, when I. I saw Anna, she was, like, crushing it. And love. She was like, no, her and Patrick were really getting along. Everyone who spoke to her, like, was really dazzled by her. Like, she's crushing it. So why would this person who's literally, like, Miss Congeniality, Miss Popular be, like, having a heart? What am I missing? They should have, like, showed us.

[A]

Or did something happen?

[B]

Like, they always, like, leave crumbs of, like, you know, someone will say something in the pot that is going to come home to roost later.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they give us that crumb, and they gave us, like, no indication or no crumbs that these two individuals were, like, like, having a hard time or suffering. I don't think something happened. I. I don't know what happened, though. I just. I think that, like, yeah, maybe it's just, like, their mental health, but, like, there obviously had to have been footage where they're, like, not thriving in the experiment, and it just would have been nice to have, like, an inkling of that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

As opposed to, like, she's literally about, like, she. Her and Patrick have just established that they are like, each other's members, perfect for each other, and she leaves. Same with Blake and Sparkle. If one thing will derail this entire.

[A]

Season, it's Sparkle Megan.

[B]

Sparkle Megan's nickname of Sparkle Megan. Because as an individual, she's completely fine.

[A]

Yeah. I like her. So I have seen three reveals, and I'll talk about what my thoughts are in the couples, and then I'll take my headphones off. What was the. I'm never gonna remember the first couple's name.

[B]

Downtown and Ally.

[A]

Yeah. What was special about them? I was half watching the first episode.

[B]

So gorgeous.

[A]

Okay. I don't. I literally don't remember.

[B]

I didn't really watch their connection, but do you even know? Can you visualize them?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

But like, what's their thing?

[B]

Nothing. I think they. They related on something. We didn't get a lot of their connection, but they obviously have the strongest one because they got. They showed us their engagement first. Even though everyone gets engaged on the same day. Yeah. Of course.

[A]

The second couple was Names. I don't know, Red dress and the guy who was like, very clearly not in.

[B]

Joe.

[A]

Joe and what's her name?

[B]

It's a great question.

[A]

Joe and red dress. Red dress.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was genuinely painful. Especially because I really liked their connection in the pods. Like, I thought for sure that it was a match.

[B]

Oh, that's big that you even were watching that closely to have an opinion.

[A]

Okay, sorry. That was definitely an exaggeration.

[B]

I have no idea what their connection in the podcast odds is. All I know is she is the one who is going blind, therefore.

[A]

Oh, right.

[B]

So crazy is blind.

[A]

Love might be blind in the future.

[B]

Love is blind means even more to her.

[A]

Yeah. And I feel sad for her and like, I just know it's going to be like a painful honeymoon and I feel sad and I'm really sorry that she signed up for the show. The third couple I saw get engaged was Edmund and Calambria. Two people have never been more perfect for one another. Ben thinks that they're like the most amazing, cutest couple ever. He, like, can't get over how well match they are. Sure. I don't know where they find these people. They are. They are perfect for each other. They're a little freaky. Pop off.

[B]

The first few episodes, I was more distracted mentally. I was like, having a lot of, like, conversations on the side. Like, I was on my phone and I was talking to Zachary and we were like, just.

[A]

She had a lot going on in her life.

[B]

Going on. So those three couples, I have no idea what they connected over and if it's like strong or anything. The latter couples that get.

[A]

Well, I don't know who ends up. So should I. Yeah.

[B]

Because I have nothing to say about what you've seen the extra three couples, which are Patrick and Casey and Sparkle, Megan and Jordan. And I don't know if I'm gonna remember the sixth couple. Oh, well, Nick and Amy. Sure. I think those are like, maybe given what I've seen, like more of the Stronger couples. Even though I will say I thought Megan was right to choose Jordan over Mike. His name was. Because she was just like, Jordan was just like a lot lighter and happier and like made her feel like, like just life was like lighter with him. However, what you don't see about Jordan in the podcast pods, which I guess Mike had seen behind the scenes and maybe this was what he was alluding to when he was trying to put Jordan down, is that like Jordan is extremely immature and the way he is at that mixer on the honeymoon with all the guys was seriously so awfully cringe. Like I guess in the pods you don't get a sense of what a guy is like with his bros. His sense of humor was so off, so unfunny. Of course Joe's was too. And they were like, you know, takes two to be unfunny and like bad had fiance's. But I expected more from Jordan. Whereas Joe's just seems to be spiraling. He's obviously like not happy in his connection and his relationship and isn't trying to like make it work. Whereas Jordan and Megan seem like two serious people. Of course he has a son and like they are serious about each other. I think they'll take this experiment much more seriously. So for him to behave like that was like really icky. And if I were her, like, I don't, I couldn't see past that. I'd be like, oh, you're two different people when you're with me alone and when you're with your friends. And I don't like that, that goodbye. Then Nick and Amy at some point, like, is he ever going to tell her that he told two people that he loves them in the pods? Because that was weird. Other than that, I think they're actually a really good fit. They seem really pleased with how the other one looks and they seem really like actually a good connection, which is nice. Casey and Patrick, that was insane to watch. It was seriously one of the more most uncomfortable things I've ever watched. I was jumping out of my skin watching him, like watching her touch his face, like so tactile. While also like breaking up with him but not actually saying it. Saying like, I love you, I'm sorry, I can't. And he's like, so are we still together? She's like, I love you, I'm sorry. Like he has no idea that they're broken up. She is so manipulative, especially when in the pods, like when she felt like she was losing him. She just wanted to get him so Badly. And she just starts like throwing like all this sex talk out there, which is just like such low hanging fruit to like, you know, get a man to want to have sex, like, be with you. So I don't know why she went so hard for that when she was like, like ready to throw in the towel two seconds after meeting him. I'll wait to talk about that scene more with Claudia when she watches it because, like, I seriously can't. You're good.

[A]

I'm back.

[B]

Yeah. Some of these scenes that I've seen, there are a couple of like, crazy scenes that like, I've just touched on. But we ha. When you watch them, like, we have to go in. Claudia, some of the most uncomfortable television I've ever watched in my life.

[A]

Can't wait.

[B]

And that's what we get for sitting through five pod episodes. And we've earned that right.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Even though it was hard to watch, like, it wasn't enjoyable.

[A]

This is the definition of a nalafi and we kind of need to get it out to people. So I am making a judgment call. That's the end of the episode.

[B]

That's the end of the episode. Anything we didn't say? Like, we have every other day.

[A]

Four more days.

[B]

Yep, four more days.

[A]

Thank you guys so much for listening to the toast and Monday morning show where we Deliver the best 5 stories you need to know every Monday, The Friday and YouTube. Super. Listen to YouTube. Oh, no, no, wait, no, I forgot. I have to redo it. I hope everybody enjoyed watching this on you on Spotify. Oh, I wanted to say to our Spotify swirly the same way that our audio comes out immediately and then the YouTube video takes like an extra hour. It's the same with Spotify. So the Spotify audio is going to come out instantly, just like it does on all the audio platforms. And then probably an hour later the video goes up like it does on YouTube.

[B]

So that's just maybe today a little longer given the nilafi of it.

[A]

All right, thank you guys so much for listening to the toast of Millennial morning show where we Deliver the Fast 5 stories that you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube and Spotify.

[B]

You know, I just like, we love you so much. You're the best. Keep coming.

[A]

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[B]

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