In Lieu of Flowers, Send Cameos: Tuesday, March 25th, 2025

Summary

Summary of "In Lieu of Flowers, Send Cameos: Tuesday, March 25th, 2025" from The Toast

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Toast
• Hosts: Jackie O. and Claudia Oshry
• Episode: In Lieu of Flowers, Send Cameos: Tuesday, March 25th, 2025
• Release Date: March 25, 2025

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1. Garcelle Deville's Departure from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

• Timestamp: [21:09] – [27:32]

Claudia Oshry opens the discussion with news that Garcelle Deville is leaving Real Housewives of Beverly Hills after five seasons. Garcelle announced her departure via an Instagram video, expressing her desire to focus on her family and upcoming projects. Jackie O. adds, “I don't think she was fired. She’s really leaving,” indicating that the decision was her own. Claudia praises Garcelle’s successful ventures outside the show, including her production company with Lifetime, and speculates that balancing numerous commitments and her children's education may have influenced her choice. The hosts also ponder potential replacements, suggesting former cast members like Denise or Jennifer Tilly could reinvigorate the series.

Notable Quote:

• Claudia: “[21:32] She’s leaving to focus on her kids and other exciting projects.”

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2. Teresa Judy and Husband Louis Stevens Ruelas Hit with Tax Liens

• Timestamp: [27:32] – [35:35]

The next topic covers Teresa Judy, a star from Real Housewives of New Jersey, and her husband Louis Stevens Ruelas, who have been hit with over $3 million in tax liens. Claudia criticizes the couple’s financial management, stating, “At what point are we going to put some personal accountability?” Jackie emphasizes the gravity of the situation, noting, “I don’t know how you accidentally don’t pay $2.8 million in taxes.” The discussion delves into possible mismanagement or malpractice, with the hosts expressing skepticism about Teresa’s awareness versus Louis's potential financial misconduct. They also consider the broader implications for the Real Housewives franchise, suggesting this scandal could introduce new dramatic narratives or impact future casting decisions.

Notable Quote:

• Jackie: “[33:09] I don’t know how you accidentally don’t pay $2.8 million in taxes.”

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3. Victoria Choretti's Frustration Over Being Labeled as Leonardo DiCaprio's Girlfriend

• Timestamp: [38:20] – [43:53]

Victoria Choretti, Leonardo DiCaprio’s girlfriend, expressed frustration in a Vogue France interview about being constantly labeled as his girlfriend. Claudia relays Victoria’s sentiments, “It can be extremely annoying that you're always referred to as someone’s girlfriend.” Jackie expresses difficulty understanding Victoria’s perspective, saying, “I can’t imagine a world where you couldn’t call someone who’s dating Leo as his girlfriend.” The hosts critique Victoria’s public statements, interpreting them as seeking victimhood despite her successful modeling career. They discuss societal expectations and the pervasive nature of labels in celebrity relationships.

Notable Quote:

• Claudia: “[39:17] She can't love whoever she wants because of the labels people need to stick on you.”

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4. Sydney Sweeney Deletes a Photo with Her Fiancé, Sparking Breakup Rumors

• Timestamp: [43:57] – [47:51]

Sydney Sweeney has deleted a kissing photo with her fiancé, Jonathan Divino, from her Instagram carousel, leading to speculation about a potential breakup. Jackie remarks, “That's so crazy,” while Claudia notes that only true fans would catch such details. They discuss the implications of this action, considering personal reasons or the initiation of a breakup. The hosts highlight the pressures celebrities face in maintaining their social media presence and the public’s fascination with their relationship dynamics.

Notable Quote:

• Claudia: “[44:18] So, yeah, new feature on Instagram...”

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5. Jamie King Evicted for Owing Back Rent

• Timestamp: [51:12] – [55:09]

Jamie King, a longtime friend of Taylor Swift, has been evicted from her Hollywood Hills residence for owing over $42,000 in back rent. Claudia expresses shock, stating, “This feels like hitting rock bottom,” especially following Jamie’s loss of custody of her two sons. Jackie and Claudia discuss the disconnect between Jamie’s celebrity status and her financial hardships, speculating on possible mismanagement or external factors. They empathize with her focus on her children but criticize her handling of the public relations aspect during this crisis.

Notable Quote:

• Claudia: “[53:25] This feels like hitting rock bottom.”

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6. Dear Toasters: Listener Advice Segment

• Timestamp: [55:01] – [73:59]

In their weekly advice segment, "Dear Toasters," Jackie and Claudia address listener submissions:

• Case 1: Partner's Attitude Toward Pregnant Prison Workers A listener is concerned about her boyfriend’s negative comments regarding pregnant women working in prisons. The hosts discuss the red flags this behavior raises, suggesting it reflects immaturity or a lack of empathy.

  Notable Quote:

  • Claudia: “[56:49] It could be immaturity or a serious red flag.”

• Case 2: Partner's Small Penis Humiliation (SPH) Fetish Another listener seeks advice on handling her fiancé’s SPH fetish, where he requests her to roast his perceived small penis size. Claudia and Jackie express confusion and concern, highlighting the psychological implications and suggesting open communication or therapy.

  Notable Quote:

  • Jackie: “[64:16] This has something deeper going on with him psychologically.”

• Case 3: Inappropriate Texting Leading to Drug Inquiry A listener accidentally texts a coworker about obtaining drugs, leading to awkward interactions. The hosts emphasize the importance of appropriate communication and the potential consequences of such actions in professional settings.

  Notable Quote:

  • Claudia: “[69:42] If you're texting your coworkers for drugs, like, you're in a bad spot.”

• Case 4: Partner's Self-Harm Behavior A listener describes her fiancé slapping himself and making negative remarks about himself, indicating possible self-harm or deeper psychological issues. The hosts urge seeking professional help and prioritizing personal well-being.

  Notable Quote:

  • Claudia: “[71:00] This is a textbook case for a therapist.”

Additional Advice: Claudia and Jackie discuss broader relationship dynamics, emphasizing respect, empathy, and the importance of addressing underlying issues in partnerships.

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Conclusion Throughout the episode, Jackie O. and Claudia Oshry provide candid commentary on celebrity news, relationship dynamics, and listener concerns. Their blend of humor and critical analysis makes the discussions both entertaining and insightful. They encourage their audience to engage thoughtfully with the topics and offer supportive advice through their "Dear Toasters" segment.

Notable Quotes:

• Claudia: “[21:32] She’s leaving to focus on her kids and other exciting projects.”
• Jackie: “[33:09] I don’t know how you accidentally don’t pay $2.8 million in taxes.”
• Claudia: “[39:17] She can't love whoever she wants because of the labels people need to stick on you.”
• Claudia: “[56:49] It could be immaturity or a serious red flag.”
• Jackie: “[64:16] This has something deeper going on with him psychologically.”

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Final Thoughts Jackie and Claudia effectively navigate through a range of topics, from high-profile celebrity news to personal relationship issues, offering listeners a comprehensive and engaging episode. Their ability to balance entertainment with meaningful discussions ensures that both regular and new listeners find value in their podcast.

Transcript

[Claudia]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast.

[Jackie]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[Claudia]

It's your favorite show, the Fast 5 things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.

[Jackie]

They sound amazing.

[Claudia]

Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Tuesday. I'm honored and humbled to be sitting down with one of the nicest kids in town. That's right. It's Jackie O. My co host, my sister, queen, but also recipient of a Nikki Blonsky cameo as of, you know, 10:30am this morning.

[Jackie]

Good morning, Turdia. Every day's like a blurdia.

[Claudia]

You know that? It's, like, literally killing me inside that you're the one who got a Nikki Blonsky cameo.

[Jackie]

And, like, my direct correlation to Nikki Blonsky is the correlation that's going viral considering, like, you've always had such a warm place in your heart for Nikki and Tracy.

[Claudia]

More so Tracy.

[Jackie]

And is it killing you that, like, Bruno got a shout out from Nikki Blonds. He, like, Nikki Blondie knows brew.

[Claudia]

I don't want to be rude, but, like, basically, you know, Shannon Ford, you know, influencer, comedian, fellow podcaster on the Toast News Network, she listens to the toast like a good friend should, you know, and she thought it would be funny to get Jax a cameo from Mickey Blonsky.

[Jackie]

More than that. She stayed at my house last week, and she was going to send me flowers as a thank you, and in lieu of flowers, she got me a cameo from Nikki Blonsie. So it wasn't just like, should I get Jax or Claude a cameo? I think they think it's. No. And of course.

[Claudia]

And I don't want to, like, of course. Yuck.

[Jackie]

No, but like, any of it, I earned my gift.

[Claudia]

I feel like I'm a good friend to Shannon, too, you know, in other ways.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And maybe she'll get you a gift. She gave you that ring that one time. I feel like you're shielded dining on that.

[Claudia]

I do. I wear it all the time. Except my jewelry no longer fits.

[Jackie]

But I was deserving of a gift for my hospitality.

[Claudia]

No, and I hate to make, like, your gift about me, you know, but I just wanted to know there was.

[Jackie]

A reason why I got.

[Claudia]

Of course, of course, of course. Of course. I am the one that would be like me getting a cameo for Meghan Markle, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

No, it would actually be like, me getting a cameo. This is the exact similarity of that actor who was in the Bold type and is, like, in all your Favorite shows that gets canceled.

[Jackie]

Richard Page.

[Claudia]

Of course you know his name. Like, that's the equivalent, like, a lifelong obsession.

[Jackie]

Yeah. No, but it'd also be like you getting a cameo from, like, Kelly Clarkson.

[Claudia]

Like, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

We're both so obsessed. But if we have to go back to the Genesis, like, I am more obsessed. But if you got a cameo from Kelly, like, you met Kelly, like, I mean, I'm just. You know, I would just be happy for you is all.

[Claudia]

Yeah. We're different people, and that's okay. Now, I know one of your least favorite things, actually, is receiving cameos. You find it but clenchingly awkward. So walk me through the experience of you receiving this cameo.

[Jackie]

So, yes, I have said multiple times, like, receiving a cameo is a horrible experience. I wouldn't wish it on me, on my worst enemy. Let me tell you, Nikki Blonsky has a way with cameo I didn't want to end. I was hanging on her every word. I was like, what's she gonna say next? What did Shannon prompt her with next? It was as it was. I had the experience that you should have when receiving a cameo. So maybe it was just like, the people in the past that I got cameos from, they were the wrong people. And it takes a special type of person. Like, I guess I won't say, like, who I got it from. That just, like, made me feel. Why, I don't know. Damon John. Like, I just. I didn't want a cameo from him.

[Claudia]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[Jackie]

But someone else, like, he might work well for someone else. It was just, like. It was just too much.

[Claudia]

It wasn't a match.

[Jackie]

It wasn't a match. This was really a match. And so I'm happy that the whole, like, cameo business operation, like, isn't built on but clenchingly painful videos.

[Claudia]

Well, we also. It was. I like that Shannon got a cameo, obviously, because it's funny and whatever. But we also get a little bit of inside scoop on Nikki's business right now. Like, her. It's kind of everyone's dream, your cameos blowing up. Like, that's just encouraging. More people like Shannon. Shannon can't be the only one who, in the last week, decided to book a cameo from Nikki Blonsie. Shannon said she turned it around in three hours.

[Jackie]

She's still charging $100, which, Nikki, if you are watching this, you need to up your price. I wonder what Shannon would have paid. Like, what's the most she would have paid?

[Claudia]

Shannon's like, an extravagant person.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

So she's not a good example but like somebody who's doing this for the shtick, what's the most amount of money in this economy you would pay for like a shticky video? I feel like 250.

[Jackie]

Yeah, she could definitely double.

[Claudia]

I just want to say, I think that other people are taking note of like the virality of cameos and trying to capitalize it. And I do need to call out Tom Sandoval for being like extremely cringe. Right now he's posting all of his cameos on Tick Tock and they're like skits with sunglasses and stuff. And he's like trying to make a moment. He's like seeing it's happening to Nikki. And when you're in this line of work, like you get out what you put into cameo. You have to promote it. You have to do well. You have to make meaningful videos in order for the business to grow. It's not just like this automatic thing. So I need him to calm down a little bit. Like let Nikki have her moment. I'm telling you, I think he's feeling threatened.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I guess a cameo from Tom Sandoval could be funny.

[Claudia]

Perhaps at a point in time. Right now, I don't think it would.

[Jackie]

Be out of nowhere if I got you a cameo from Tom Sandoval.

[Claudia]

Please don't.

[Jackie]

He's like Turdy and the Most Extras.

[Claudia]

No, please don't.

[Jackie]

I think I wonder what he charges to punish you.

[Claudia]

No, but like, actually, please don't. I want to know what he charges.

[Jackie]

I want to see Turdy and the Most Extras up there shaking that thing.

[Claudia]

I am going to start a band. Turning the Most Extras because it's kind of a good name.

[Jackie]

It is kind of a good name.

[Claudia]

Tom Sandoval on cameo is charging $200. Like, why is he charging more than Nikki Blonsky right now?

[Jackie]

Yeah, who charges your rate, by the way?

[Claudia]

Your rate is fluid.

[Jackie]

Like, you can, you can always go up, go down. It's supply and demand.

[Claudia]

Okay? I'll tell you so. Okay. The number one booked on Cameo right now is Nikki Bonskate.

[Jackie]

You're lying.

[Claudia]

I swear. The number two, James Buckley, he's an actor from the Office in Betweeners. I've never, I've never seen him before.

[Jackie]

Always the office people who make all the money on came. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Number three is Lavar Ball.

[Jackie]

What is that?

[Claudia]

It says he's the CEO of Big Baller brand. I think he's a basketball guy.

[Jackie]

Cool.

[Claudia]

Number four is Tom Sandoval.

[Jackie]

Wow. So it's his marketing is working.

[Claudia]

Number five is Brilliantly dumb. The creator of Bob Does Sports. I actually don't know most of these people.

[Jackie]

You know what the shame is? The shame is that we would crush it on cameo.

[Claudia]

Yeah, we would crush it on Cameo.

[Jackie]

I've been on cameo before and I was. I. I did get a lot of inbounds, but I'm trying to find who. The cameo wasn't good for my mental health and so I had to take a back seat.

[Claudia]

Is the most expensive on cameo. I feel like for a while it was Bethany Frankel.

[Jackie]

I feel like it's that guy from the office.

[Claudia]

Brian Baumgartner.

[Jackie]

Yep, him.

[Claudia]

He plays Kevin from the Office. I don't believe he's on it anymore. But we did, I remember reporting on it. He ended up sharing that he made a million dollars one year on cameo.

[Jackie]

So he bought his house and he moved on with his life. He did cameo for a year. Like, maybe we could go in together for a lake house or something.

[Claudia]

Yeah, yeah. These, all these, like, compilations of like, the most expensive. They're a little outdated. But for a while it was Caitlyn Jenner, $2,500.

[Jackie]

Damn. But was she getting booked that much?

[Claudia]

I'm sure she was getting, but you only need one instead of 10.

[Jackie]

Gap between. Instead of 25 for Nikki Blonsky.

[Claudia]

Well, yeah, Nikki Blonsky. Floyd Mayweather. Also for a while now the prices are old and these are all outdated. But Bethany, like the names that are being floated around. Bethany, Mr. Wonderful. A lot of the sharks were on it.

[Jackie]

Yeah, Like, I know Luann, like, the housewives do really well on cameo. That's a per. That's really a great gift.

[Claudia]

Floyd Mayweather. $15,000 was the last most expensive person. But I feel like at some point it gets confusing when really wealthy people are on cameo.

[Jackie]

But if you're doing it for $15,000 to do a two minute video, make $15,000 in two minutes. Like, that makes sense.

[Claudia]

I just feel like $15,000 is, like, not worth two minutes of Floyd Mayweather's time. I don't know why. Like, I feel like he's that rich, but what do I know?

[Jackie]

Maybe. But I don't know. You could just like get a jet ski in two minutes.

[Claudia]

You could get a jet ski in two minutes.

[Jackie]

Maybe I'll go on cameo for $15,000 and maybe it will be better for my mental health.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I'll go on cameo and I'll make it like 100 grand. See if anybody will pay it. You can just make it up.

[Jackie]

Yeah, well, yeah, it would be a lot, but then it's like, I don't know. It's a funny thing. Cameo. I'm glad that it's in our. I'm glad that it's in our lives.

[Claudia]

I'm glad that we're talking about, like.

[Jackie]

Endless fodder, like, viral cameos. Like, I'm sorry, Happy Chinooka is my favorite cameo of all time. Smokey Robinson.

[Claudia]

I mean, that's like one of the things that made, like, the biggest drama on the Real Housewives of New York. Remember, like, that woman Elise with the bangs?

[Jackie]

What about?

[Claudia]

She was like, saying stuff about someone I don't remember. Like, they're always making news. Also, I think conceptually as a business, it's quite brilliant. I believe that they are a publicly traded company. Like, I think they crush it.

[Jackie]

I. I believe so as well.

[Claudia]

There's not even another company that does the same thing.

[Jackie]

No, they could never.

[Claudia]

How much revenue you think they do in a year? Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

What?

[Claudia]

This from 2020? I guess because it was like the perfect gift and the only way people were making money on Covid. But in 2020, they did $100 million in gross revenue.

[Jackie]

I feel like they still do that. It's such an easy gain.

[Claudia]

They were once valued at $1 billion, and now this article's saying as of eight months ago, they can't pay a 600, 000 fine.

[Jackie]

I just feel like that's not true. Nikki Blonsky probably gets like 600 books bookings a day.

[Claudia]

Right. Wow. The guys who started coming are actually really smart. I feel like that's something we would have started, like. Yeah. It's just like, like a simple but really brilliant concept.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Everyone wins.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And today you win.

[Jackie]

Today I win. Nikki wins. Bruno wins. Bruno got a shout out.

[Claudia]

So did your party loaf.

[Jackie]

So did my party loaf. I should send her a loaf.

[Claudia]

She did in her cameo request your recipe.

[Jackie]

She did. I don't think she could handle it. I just don't feel like she has, like, the patience to make sourdough.

[Claudia]

To be honest. Like, I actually see a lot of myself in Nikki Blonsky and we are both not the elk of Pargi loaf makers. No.

[Jackie]

Especially not without, like, self rising yeast.

[Claudia]

Right. Being a mother to a sourdough starter is a full time job, especially in.

[Jackie]

The beginning and with all of her travels and.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

Bookings, West Virginia. Like, you've got to be home to feed your starter.

[Claudia]

Correct.

[Jackie]

So I'll send her a loaf.

[Claudia]

That's very generous.

[Jackie]

I wonder if she'll see that, like, we posted her cameo, that we're big fans.

[Claudia]

I know she, like, does a lot of work on social media, and that's what this whole, like, Nikki Blonsky renaissance is about. I do feel like she's not of this world, though. Do you know what I mean? Like, she's not really in touch.

[Jackie]

I feel like we need her on the toast right this minute in such a desperate way.

[Claudia]

And what's annoying is that I'm sure every podcast you think is like a text the team.

[Jackie]

Let's see if we could do it. Isn't she a Long island girl?

[Claudia]

I believe she lives in New Jersey.

[Jackie]

We'll go out there. We'll take.

[Claudia]

We will.

[Jackie]

We'll take the. The path.

[Claudia]

Can we reach out to Nikki Blonsky about coming on the podcast question mark immediately? Like tomorrow, immediately.

[Jackie]

Asap, by end of.

[Claudia]

Since Jackie's coming to town.

[Jackie]

Yeah, exactly. That's why we would do it.

[Claudia]

Nicest kids in town.

[Jackie]

Like, those are the sort of guests we need.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And so what I was gonna say is, like, I'm sure every podcast is, like, clamoring to have. I think, by the way, even just putting Nikki Blonsky in our title yesterday, our episode is so outperforming. She's so of the zeitgeist right now. And what's annoying is, like, we're now competing with millions of other shows when a year ago, nobody would have wanted. Right. Nobody would have wanted Nikki a year ago. We want her just as much now as we wanted her then.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Maybe even a little less now. Just because she's so popular and we're such, like, anti culture trendsetters.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Is it a story that Meghan Markle has joined an affiliate link program?

[Jackie]

No, it's not.

[Claudia]

Okay, good. I don't want it to be, but I do need to briefly talk about it. Like, you, I think, become, like, really obsessed with random Meghan Markle things. And, like, this is my obsession with my random Meghan Markle obsession of the day. When I saw that she joined an affiliate program that I'm familiar with. It's called Shop My.

[Jackie]

It's like ltk. It's just.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Different.

[Claudia]

I know. I know a bunch of girls who use it. It's just a program that pays you.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

I.

[Jackie]

She may as well have joined ltk. I feel like people like the streets know LTK more than Shop My Cause. Shop My new.

[Claudia]

And for those who don't know, if you're like, a creator, anyone with a platform, and you Want to, like, link your shirt, but make a little bit of money off of every shirt you sell? It's called an affiliate link. And there are these companies like ltk, Shop My Arsal. They facilitate that for you. They help you create links that are commissionable and you can, like, track them and stuff. So you create little stores with all your little things, like an Amazon storefront type of thing. And Megan announced yesterday, being like, I saw so many people asking, like, for my clothes recommendations and, like, links and stuff. So I made a little shop on Shop My. And she. She linked it. And I don't know if to everybody, it was the. The biggest deal in the world. When I tell you I had to sit for 10 minutes and think about it, I could not get over it. Having a Shop My or any sort of affiliate store is such a regular thing to do. And, like, this is a person who was on the balcony at Buckingham palace, you know? Right. I don't know if I'll ever get over it. Of all the things she's done since Megxit, this, to me is the most shocking. Yes.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And it's not like she did a little sort, like, she's got a lot of products linked, like, and let me tell you, initiative.

[Claudia]

It's not for nothing. Like, I actually, that was one of my thoughts from the show is like, I love her vibe, her aesthetic. Like, the clothes are very pargy. When she even said, like, her pants are from Zara, I was like, I know she's probably not pillaging Zara. There's, like, somebody who does that for her. But her whole esthetic is actually really beautiful and, like, it should be shoppable. And so it's not a bad idea. It's just like, it's the crazy. Is it?

[Jackie]

It's just like. Do you agree, Austrian?

[Claudia]

It is the crazy. It's the craziest thing.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But I don't know. I'm no longer really shocked by her. Like, she is an influencer. She has a podcast, she posts Instagram stories, and her thumb is covering the camera lens. Like, it's not even like, Ballerina Farm.

[Claudia]

I don't know.

[Jackie]

I guess up until this point, Ballerina Farm meets Britney Spears.

[Claudia]

I guess I thought everything up until this point that she did that was, quote, unquote, like, pedestrian. Like, having a podcast, anyone can have one. It's all been done with, like, the right partners. You know, she had this big Spotify partnership. So it's always been like, yeah, she's doing things that everybody else is doing, but at A much higher operating level.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And now it's like, well, no, we all log into our shopmy.com and, like, you know, make a link.

[Jackie]

The way that you feel about her shop My is, like, more akin to how I felt when she was posting those Instagram stories. Like, running around backyard like nuttiness.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I guess.

[Jackie]

Like, and there wasn't a third party for. And it's not premium and it's not curated, and it's, like, very regular.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I guess the difference is that, like, all people, high and low, like, post on social media. Maybe not at the level that she does, not royals, but, like, even in America, when you think of the most famous people, like, they all share stuff. Right. But they don't all have affiliate links. Like, I. It's really crazy.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Well, did you buy anything?

[Claudia]

No. I'm not in, like, a phase of my life where I am buying things, but I have thought that, like, this summer, when I'm just, like, looking to relax and, you know, wear baggy clothes that are summery, I will be [e-mail] Megan.

[Jackie]

Okay, so she's providing a service 1,000%.

[Claudia]

Because I don't think I'll be buying her jams. I'm not like a. I. I like Smuckers and Bone Mama. Like, I'm all good on jam.

[Jackie]

I also feel like maybe she got paid to be on the platform.

[Claudia]

Oh, that would be good. I think.

[Jackie]

I think we just also, like, always assume stuff like that about her because it's like, otherwise, why would she do it?

[Claudia]

But would there be, like, a big press announcement, like, shop My announces partnership with brand ambassador. Because everything she does is more elevated.

[Jackie]

Yeah. No, not a random guy.

[Claudia]

Instagram story.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I don't know. I feel like maybe she's gotten, like, a good deal with them. I hope.

[Claudia]

I hope as well.

[Jackie]

Well, it seems like she's having fun in this content creation phase of her life.

[Claudia]

And at this point, like, bring back the Tig. Why? Like, actually, why not? If there's.

[Jackie]

I know.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Because it is a blonde other name.

[Claudia]

I know. It's true. And she should have included. She should have included the Tig from the very beginning.

[Jackie]

And, like, With Love isn't, as ever, should have always been, like, the same name. Whichever one she wanted to go with. Like, the With Love jams and the With Love show.

[Claudia]

I just want to say, like, a jam company called the Tig that kind of makes sense.

[Jackie]

Like, like, the Fig.

[Claudia]

The Fig Tig. Yeah. I agree. There's too much going on and it's been mismanaged from the beginning, but at this point, like, she made an affiliate link, so there's really nothing off limits, like, bring your blog back.

[Jackie]

Yeah, well, we need recipes. We do, right? No, but she's not gonna. She can't bring in the name of the Tig. I'm sorry, it's too late.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Love blog with Love Tig.

[Jackie]

These names.

[Claudia]

She is having fun. And so are we. Because today's Tuesday, which is an important day in Toaster. It's Dear Toasters Tuesday, dtt. At the end of today's episode, we have Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment. So make sure to stick around for that. We actually have a crazy one. I actually meant to ask you, like, if we should talk about it.

[Jackie]

Subject matter.

[Claudia]

Drugs. I feel like we don't, like, do a lot of drugs. Like, you know, it's a bit of the white stuff.

[Jackie]

Okay. I mean, yeah, let's see where it goes. But you know us, we're all against drugs.

[Claudia]

We are mothers against drugs. But, you know, I try not to.

[Jackie]

Be judgment and against drunk driving.

[Claudia]

I'm a mad.

[Jackie]

You are.

[Claudia]

I'm mad about that. I should join mad, Your local chapter. Yeah. I love that.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So you'll hear from a bunch of narcs.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But you did write into us, so you know who we are. It's true you were writing to a different show.

[Claudia]

It's true you were looking for a very specific type of advice. If you're writing to us about this, so we'll talk about it.

[Jackie]

So you'll get it. So now, without further ado, it is time for the Fast 5 stories that you need to know.

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Thank you.

[Claudia]

You're welcome.

[Jackie]

Our first story, Garcelle is leaving Real Housewives of Beverly Hills after five seasons. So Garcelle posted a video this morning saying that she's leaving Real Houses of Beverly Hills. She announced on Instagram that she is departing the hit reality TV show after five seasons to focus on her family and other projects she has lined up. So she shared a video to her Instagram.

[Claudia]

She looked parje.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Spelling out the reasons why she's leaving, Thanking everyone who has been a part of the journey. The fans, the crew, the. The wives themselves. She said that she's leaving to focus on her kids. It's their last year of high school coming up, and she wants to be there for that. She also has a lot of work stuff coming up that she's really exc. Excited about. And so she is leaving the Housewives. She did say, like, Annie said she can come back anytime. And so who knows? Could be a see you later, but she's out for now.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I feel like Housewives, when they leave, like, always, for the most part, as long as they part on good terms, like production allows them, even if they've been fired, like, allows them to say, like, I'm leaving and making it seem like it's their choice. I do think with Garcelle, it was her choice. I don't see a reason why she would be fired. She's an excellent housewife.

[Jackie]

I agree. And why would she be fired in the middle of the season? We haven't even seen how things shake out. How do the fans feel about her? How does the reunion go? I don't think she was fired. I think she's really leaving.

[Claudia]

Me too. I am shocked by this. I feel like it's been actually really good for her career outside of being a reality star, like as you know, she produces an acts and a lot of like, content. She's like, I think a big production deal with Lifetime. So I'm shocked because I think a lot of her, like, recent success within the industry just has to do with her overall star rising from this show. And it's been actually impressive for, I don't know, a lot of housewives who have done what she did with her housewife success. Usually it's a little bit more like, you know, front facing club appearances, like I'm a model, whereas, like she has a production company and like actually built something really sustainable, which I think is really smart. Maybe she's just not enjoying it anymore, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah. I do feel like there's a reason that she's not saying not like something big and bad, but I don't, I don't know, it just didn't feel like compelling enough. Like she's always been busy and she always has a lot of work. So like it's really been now too much that she can't do housewives and then to be there for her kids in high school, they're less.

[Claudia]

It's so weird.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I just feel like there's more of a feeling that she might have that she's just not sharing. Like whether it is she's tired or she's over it or maybe her career stuff is more than ever. I. I just like, I don't know. I just feel like there might be a little more to it.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I have questions for sure. Also, did you see that Bose is on Jimmy Fallon tonight? No. Yes, I saw a clip. I was shocked.

[Jackie]

That's so crazy.

[Claudia]

It is. For like a housewife to be on a late night show, like, is a really big deal, especially by themselves. I feel like sometimes they'll do like two together. Like, I know, like Dorit and Kyle went on like Kelly Clarkson, which is daytime, a little bit different, but it still feels like a little out of their scope. And so for it to be bows by herself, I love she's having a.

[Jackie]

Good season and we really like her. But it's not like, like the name on everybody's lips in the whole world is Bose. Like it's been with some other housewives in their first seasons, but it's also.

[Claudia]

Not like Beverly Hills is having a particularly like high rated year. Like, I feel like it's actually one of their slowest, worst seasons.

[Jackie]

Like people aren't really talking about it.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

Except for us.

[Claudia]

Right. I feel like it would make more sense. Like when Salt Lake City was On. I feel like it was really impacting, like, the zeitgeist if, like, Heather Gay had been on.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

So I found that kind of crazy. I'm very here for it. But just an interesting thing to note.

[Jackie]

Yeah, very interesting.

[Claudia]

I. I would welcome Garcelle back. I am sad to see her go. I think she's a great house. I think whether you like, like her or dislike her in terms of the actual drama, she's a very good housewife. She has, like, said things that needed to be said. She's very direct. She has an interesting life. Her personal life, like, with her kids, always, you know, I'm added to some off camera drama, then the vanderpump rules of it all.

[Jackie]

So.

[Claudia]

She really did. She did a great job. I would say a job well done. She will be missed. Thank you for your service.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I agree. She's not been my favorite housewife recently. I find myself always, like, actually opposed disagreeing. But not for one second was I, like, I don't want her on the show. I mean, she's good at her job to make a show. Like you're gonna have people you agree with and disagree with and. And I. I enjoyed her, so this will be a loss. I wonder who they'll replace her with, though. That's always exciting.

[Claudia]

I don't know if they need a replacement, but I do think Beverly Hills needs, like, a little bit of a something.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I think they should bring back someone. I don't know that we need someone, like, brand new.

[Claudia]

They should bring back Denise. Now's the time. Because One, Denise is, like, having a successful spin off which, like, always puts the other women in a weird, like, position. Two, she's kind of been talked about a lot when it comes to, like, how terrible they were to her about her sexuality. And now that's a big question with Kyle. Like, I do think that would shake.

[Jackie]

Things up, but I feel like Denise would only want to come back with Garcelle there. And it would be more. It would be better with Denise and Garcelle.

[Claudia]

That's true. Oh, I would have loved that. I forgot that they have, like, an alliance. She's like, the only one in the group that Denise still likes.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Maybe, like, Jennifer Tilly will become full time because Sutton's gonna need a friend.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I don't know if that just feels like we'd be getting the same season, but, like, a little different. Yeah. No.

[Jackie]

Or they bring back someone else.

[Claudia]

Bring back Eileen Davidson. Stop being so afraid. You. Yeah. Even though I don't think Teddy's at a place right now where she can really, like, shake up a show.

[Jackie]

Right. But they're always talking about her. She's friends with all of the ladies still. She has a really successful podcast.

[Claudia]

I don't think they can, like, talk about her now in the way that they have been up until this point. You know what I mean?

[Jackie]

Yeah. Well, you know, she's going through maybe in better times, but there are plenty of people who are still in the mix. They come. Camille grammar. Not that that's who I want.

[Claudia]

No, please, please, please.

[Jackie]

But I think that would be better right now than finding someone new.

[Claudia]

New? Yeah. Lvp. She would never. But I am ready.

[Jackie]

I'm ready.

[Claudia]

Honestly. Lisa Rinna.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Because I thought that was one of those people.

[Jackie]

It's not fair to take out Garcelle for Lisa Rinna because then, like, you're stacking one side.

[Claudia]

Oh, yeah. But the thing is, like, I find the Sutton sides, like, I find it, I think, like, the fact that this. This season is broken down, but, like, Sutton versus everyone is what makes the season bad. She's not a worthy adversary, and she's not, like, an interesting person.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

So, like, I'm ready for something totally new.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I don't know if Lisa Random would, like, be the balance that we need, but I'm open. I'm open.

[Claudia]

I also don't think she would do it. Yeah.

[Jackie]

I don't know. She's like, on the one hand, she'd probably be like, yeah, I'm better off since I left Housewives. But on the other hand, I feel like she's kind of shameless and is like, okay, yeah, yeah, let's get to work.

[Claudia]

Correct.

[Jackie]

Let's roll up our sleeves. Maybe it'll be interesting. Our next story. A little more Housewives news. Teresa Judy said her husband Luis ruellas, hit with $3 million in tax liens. So according to records obtained by People, the Real Houses of New Jersey star Teresa and her husband Louis have been hit with over 3 million in tax liens, with Teresa owing $303,000 and Louie owing nearly $2.66 million. This comes three months after Louis was issued another lien for $160,000 in December, which the New Jersey Courts website show is still an open case.

[Claudia]

Now, this is not a shock, because it does feel like Teresa is very much like the dorit of the East Coast. Like, the finances, especially with Louis, like, don't really add up. I know she does very well as a reality star and, you know, a celebrity, but it doesn't match up with the house and the lifestyle and the jets to Greece. Having said that, it is shocking that somebody like a grown woman would find themselves in a situation like this not once, but twice. Yeah, and the first time, you know, I really was like, it's through no fault of her own. Right. Like, he. So clearly, you watch those early seasons, she was such a stereotype of like the woman who has no idea what's going on in her husband's business and. And just signs stuff because he brought home paperwork for her to sign and is very trusting. But now I'm like, well, at what point are we going to put some, you know, personal accountability? Because I do think Louis, like, is a shady business person. And every time he's been asked, like, since his inception on the show about his business, remember, he got fired, he worked for. He took a company public. Like, there's been so many, like, weird things about his business. I do believe that, like, if they have found themselves in trouble, it's his fault. Yeah, but how many times can a.

[Jackie]

Person find out here again? But it's like, I really just think it's more so having learned nothing from the first situation. Not like Teresa has low key, been like a con woman this whole time.

[Claudia]

Like, no, I don't think so either. But at what point do we assign personal accountability to this person?

[Jackie]

I feel like the accountability, like, is insanity. That, like, you know what I mean? Like, if this was like in court, like, she wouldn't be tried because she. Insanity by reason of insanity. Yeah, because she's doing the same thing over, like, not asking questions, shutting down anyone who has anything to say when all of the signs point towards. And it's not because, like, she's like, yeah, Louis, steal that money. She's just insane.

[Claudia]

And like such a good point.

[Jackie]

A hopeless romantic, naive, like, to the point of being insane.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And you know what? Not that I wish, you know, money issues on anyone, but this is something when it comes to the future of the franchise, because they've been in Jersey, like in the state of Limbo for a while. It's like Melissa Teresa. And I actually think another criminal go around for Teresa, like, really helps.

[Jackie]

Well, so.

[Claudia]

Because it's going to be one of those things you can't bring up.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And then like a Jackie Goldschneider is going to bring it up.

[Jackie]

Well, not her.

[Claudia]

Well, not Jackie, but you know what I mean? Like, that was what she did last time and that makes for interesting tv. Yeah. And you know, Teresa, like, is not going To. She won't leave the show because she feels like it's hers and not Melissa's. So, like, maybe a normal person who wouldn't want to talk about this wouldn't be on the show.

[Jackie]

But she's, like we said, insanity. But I just want to say, like, for her, she owes 300k. I feel like she could pay that cameo. Yeah. Like, she'll take a couple of brand deals. She can pay that off quickly. I'm actually not worried about that. So Louis owes about $2.8 million, which I just want to say, to his credit, also means that he's earned, like, $10 million. Right.

[Claudia]

Well, are they saying it's 2.8 in unpaid taxes? Some of that is, like, penalties and fines and interest from the last.

[Jackie]

What's that?

[Claudia]

I don't know what a lean is. I actually don't know. Hold on. Let me Google that. Yeah, question. Because, yeah, you're right. It would indicate, like, high earnings, penalties.

[Jackie]

But, like, if we're in the millions, like you, you have to make millions to owe millions.

[Claudia]

A tax lien is a legal claim by the government against a property where the owner fails to pay taxes owed. It can apply to real estate, personal property, or financial assets. A tax lien does not immediately result in the government seizing the property, but it gives them the right to do so if the debt remains unpaid. So it's not really clear what it's from. It's just a debt to the government.

[Jackie]

Could be property tax or income tax. Could be all sorts of tax.

[Claudia]

I know they can put a lien on your house, but I don't know what that necessarily means.

[Jackie]

Is it a tax lien on your house?

[Claudia]

Tell me what a tax lien is, as if I'm an idiot. All right. By the way, thank you. Imagine you owe the government money because you didn't pay your taxes. Instead of just letting it slide, the government puts a big red flag on something you own, like your house or your car, saying, you can't sell or refinance this until you pay it back. Pay us back. That's a tax lien. It's their way of making sure that they get their money. If you don't pay up, they might eventually take your stuff or let someone else buy the right to collect from you. Got it. Okay. So he didn't pay taxes, and they've put a tax lien on whatever they say, what it was, say, got it.

[Jackie]

Just on themselves yourselves. But so anyways, like, of course, pay your taxes, Louis, but you've got to make millions to. Oh, million. So he's obviously making money, but just pay your taxes. And it also feels like they don't have like a proper financial advisor like this. I feel like Teresa's could have been the sort of situation where she underpaid, like she meant to pay your taxes.

[Claudia]

At the same time as he as well, he's.

[Jackie]

She's probably using his person who sucks.

[Claudia]

I think that you're like simplifying it a little too much. Like it's a little idealistic.

[Jackie]

I'm simplifying Teresa's. I don't know how you accidentally don't pay $2.8 million in taxes. I'm simplifying Teresa's to say, like, it could have been an accounting error because she uses his account because she's an insane person who still trusts her husband even though there's numerous red flags.

[Claudia]

Yeah, she's. Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

That's what I'm saying.

[Claudia]

I just saw this and like, I didn't even feel bad for her. Like the whole. I'm like, are you fudgeing? Kidding me?

[Jackie]

No. It's so crazy.

[Claudia]

Grow up.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Get a different business manager. Keep maybe separate from Louise. I just know she's using Louise.

[Claudia]

No. Or she's using the same guy. Because when she. That guy James, when she was going to prison, they had like this lawyer slash publicist slash assistant who does everything for them. And he was there putting her in prison and there when she got out, he would pick her up, drive her to Joe. And I feel like he is still actively involved in their finances and somehow this is his fault.

[Jackie]

But she didn't have tax issues since the time she left Joe, Judy J. To the time she married Louis. So like when she was right, when.

[Claudia]

You get out of prison, you're always going to behave, you know, But a couple of years later, so you're.

[Jackie]

But then you're like assigning malice to her.

[Claudia]

No, I'm not. I'm not. No, you're right. I don't think that she knows any better. But at some point, like a 50 year old mother of four, like I do. I do expect more from you.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Hopefully she could pay this off swiftly. You just don't want this sort of stuff hanging over your head. And hopefully he could pay it off even though he didn't pay off 160k in December.

[Claudia]

So it doesn't bode well for the 2.8.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Claudia]

But this does bode well for the Real Housewives of New York Jersey. Excuse me, in terms of plot lines, because this is interesting.

[Jackie]

Yeah, well, they were supposed to. According to that one rumor we both saw, right? Judice Lurellas were going to get their.

[Claudia]

Own show, which is not as interesting, like, when you have a tax drama. Like, I need the other women watching.

[Jackie]

A bunch of crazy people be crazy. Like, no, you need the balance of normalcy.

[Claudia]

No, not only that. Like, if you're. If you have your own show and you're going through this big, like, tax scandal, who's around to challenge you on that? Like, we just have to believe you. Yeah, right. Like, Louis, let's write the check. Like, I need. I need the Margaret Joseph's of the world to air the Dirty laundry.

[Jackie]

Yeah, she'll be on the New Jersey courts website, seeing if the case is still open.

[Claudia]

They say she's actually rumored to be on the upcoming season of Traitors. They're casting it right now. Some other names floating around were Tiffany Pollard, Fab, Margaret Joseph, Dorinda Medley.

[Jackie]

Should be Dorinda. Wasn't she just on it?

[Claudia]

Yes, they say she might be on it again.

[Jackie]

Please. No, I was thinking about watching the next season.

[Claudia]

No, I know. Let me tell you who else I saw. It's all, like, rumored to be. And it was like, Twitter. But what show?

[Jackie]

What shows are we watching? I was thinking someone should be on it.

[Claudia]

White Lotus.

[Jackie]

No, no. Someone from, like, Real Housewives.

[Claudia]

Oh, Mary Cosby, Nene Leakes, Margaret Josephs and Ava Marcel will reportedly be a part of Traders Season 4.

[Jackie]

And what about from the young shows like Summer House, Southern Charm?

[Claudia]

Those. That was just the one rumor, that.

[Jackie]

Sheena should be on Traders. That's who I was thinking. Give it to Sheena. Yeah, I think she'll be terrible at the game, even though I don't know what the game is.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But maybe she'll be, like, so bad that, like, it actually results. You know, when people think you're bluffing, but you're actually just don't know what you're doing.

[Claudia]

Right. Bravo is definitely ripe with people who would do well on that show, even though they try to not only do Bravo, they do, like, CBS shows.

[Jackie]

Who the fart is? Dylan Efron.

[Claudia]

Zack Efron's brother.

[Jackie]

But, like, what else has he done? The shows he was filled with, he was brothers.

[Claudia]

You know, he was born from the same womb as Zach.

[Jackie]

That's it.

[Claudia]

No, I believe, you know, he had, like, a career before that of, like, you know, smaller projects.

[Jackie]

And I just want to say, like, I'm enjoying everything that he's doing. He. Spoiler alert. One traders along with 10 other people. And he's been doing like a lot of press and like, I think he's like, and hysterical and I enjoy him. But like is before traitors. Who is he other than Zac Efron's brother?

[Claudia]

Who was, who was Dylan Efron in this world before that?

[Jackie]

I'm not sure.

[Claudia]

I feel like maybe he was on claim to fame or something. You know, like that Jonas Brothers show.

[Jackie]

So again, Zac Efron's brother. I'm just going to Google it. Like, I feel like maybe he's like an.

[Claudia]

What did Dylan Efron do before Traders?

[Jackie]

He's an influencer, producer and production coordinator. Okay, so he's Zac Efron's brother.

[Claudia]

He worked as a producer on American Sniper, Live by Night, the Accountant, and Ready Player One. In addition to his behind the scenes work, he ventured into content creation and producing.

[Jackie]

Okay, so yeah, he is like an influencer.

[Claudia]

Yeah. So as we thought, like, he was like a classic celebrity sibling.

[Jackie]

Hold on. Did Dylan Efron date Stella Hudgens? That's a question here.

[Claudia]

No way.

[Jackie]

That would be so cute if they dated while they dated.

[Claudia]

It's too, it's too idealistic.

[Jackie]

It won't let me click it. We'll never know.

[Claudia]

Hangs in the balance.

[Jackie]

Our next story, someone else's something will make sense in a second. Victoria Choretti, Girlfriend of Leonardo DiCaprio, does not like being called girlfriend of Leonardo DiCaprio. So Victoria hold the C charity hates being labeled as Leo's girlfriend. She gave an interview to Vogue France and said, as soon as you're in a relationship with someone who has a larger following than you, you become girlfriend of or boyfriend of for that matter. And that can be extremely annoying. She said, suddenly people are talking about you. And as so and so's girlfriend, who is so and so's ex, she said, so it's not nice to think that you can't love whoever you want because of the labels people need to stick on you. She also spoke candidly about being in a relationship with Leo. She said if, if you know you love each other, then there's no reason to be alarmed because love protects and gives confidence.

[Claudia]

Okay. Like.

[Jackie]

I just, I can't imagine a world where like, we actually couldn't call someone who's dating like, Leonardo DiCaprio where we couldn't mention that, like, that's Leo's girlfriend. Like, it's just like factually germane to the story.

[Claudia]

I don't even have a thought on, like, what she said. Like, I Don't care. Like, she's, like, desperate to be a victim. Oh, my God.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Because the way she. You were just reading that, it sounded like it was coming from somebody who's been, like, deeply marginalized. Like, you're literally a model on the COVID of Vogue and your boyfriend's Leonardo DiCaprio. I don't want to hear about your problems. And to be honest, I have officially, like, post Cami Morone. I have stopped caring about Leonardo DiCaprio's problem. Personal life, his romantic life, the girls that he dates. Like, to me, she was kind of the end all. Be all.

[Jackie]

He.

[Claudia]

He got away with a lot up until then. But then it's like, you know what? She was kind of perfect. And if they were going to work out great after that, like, I actually don't give a fudge.

[Jackie]

But I also just feel like anyone who ends well, this is, like, a separate thing of just about, like, Leo and, like, you know, his age cap and that he never wants to get married. He never wants to settle down. Like, at this point, anyone who enters into a relationship with him, like, when he breaks up with you for turning 26, we're not gonna feel sorry, because, like, that's what. Like, that. It's so clear.

[Claudia]

She's almost, like, preempting us to feel sorry for her in this article. And I just want to say, like, in no world will I ever feel bad for you.

[Jackie]

But I just. I also want to say, I remember when we watched the Victoria's Secret fashion show, she was someone who I saw, and I didn't know who she was, and I thought she was so fantastic. And then I was like, Victoria. And then we figured out that she's his new girlfriend. And so I did notice her outside of being Leo's girlfriend.

[Claudia]

Okay, that's great.

[Jackie]

But now girlfriend, like, I don't think it.

[Claudia]

Oh, it was. She has. She kind of has a chip. She does have a chip, which is, I'm finding annoying. Maybe other people find it annoying when we have a chip, but, like, she's a chip on her shoulder. And I don't know, maybe it's just, like, the classic trope of, like, models, like, wanting to be under. Like, we don't feel bad for you. You're a model. You're in Vogue. You date Leonardo DiCaprio. Try as you may to sound like a victim in your. In your interview. Like, we don't care.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Imagine how Dylan Efron feels.

[Claudia]

Imagine how I feel. Okay.

[Jackie]

Like, always being my sister, you mean? Oh.

[Claudia]

Oh, that's what you were saying. Imagine how Dylan Efron feels like. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Like, literally, we struggle to identify him as anything other than Zac Efron's brother. And look, he's enjoying his life. And that's not a friend.

[Claudia]

Happy and fulfilled.

[Jackie]

Yeah, like, get over it. It's not a terrible thing.

[Claudia]

At least you're known, okay? Like, some of us would kill for to be known as something to be.

[Jackie]

In the Victoria's Secret Fashion show.

[Claudia]

Yeah, no, and I'm sorry, you don't get all the way to Vogue by being someone's girlfriend. Like, it. Maybe it helps, but, like, she sounds kind of insecure. Like, girl, you're on the COVID of Vogue France, which is, like, a good one. Sometimes they make up, like, Vogues in random countries. Like, I'm on the COVID of Vogue Timbuktu. Okay. Like, you know what I mean? But, like, certain Vogues are really, like, Vogue France, Vogue, British Vogue. Like, they carry a lot of weight.

[Jackie]

They're almost as one that anyone can buy that. Like, it's like, I feel like it's been on, like, a reality show where someone's like, I'm on the COVID of, I think in Miami. Vogue cover you. Because it's like, if you're on it, like, anyone can just buy it.

[Claudia]

Okay, let's hear.

[Jackie]

I'm on my way. Hold on. I feel like it was in Miami. Like, Larsa Pippen was on the COVID of it.

[Claudia]

I feel like I know what it is, but I don't want to say it unless I know it's right.

[Jackie]

Okay, wait one second. I'm having a hard time. Like, Vogue cover. Let me search. Larsa.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I was gonna say.

[Jackie]

Let me test my theory. I'm not sure that that's what it was, but that's what I feel like it was. No, she's not been on the COVID of Vogue, unfortunately. Or what was this? Harper's Bazaar.

[Claudia]

Oh, maybe it's not.

[Jackie]

Maybe it's Harper's Bazaar. Wait, Harper's Bazaar Vietnam? Yeah.

[Claudia]

Oh, I wasn't gonna say that, but, like, sure, sure, sure.

[Jackie]

So if you want to be on the COVID of Harper's Desire, you know, So I think there's a way to.

[Claudia]

Have a little faith in herself, Victoria.

[Jackie]

I know she seems like a cool girl. This is just not the vibe that I like. I feel like this was like a talking point that she worked on with her team, and it's like, we're gonna be like, women empowerment. We're not just someone's girlfriend.

[Claudia]

It didn't Come off like that. It came off a sad sack.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but I think she won. I think she meant for this to be, like, an empowering moment for winning. Like, I'm not just someone's girlfriend. I will not just be, like, you know, tied to my partner.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

No. And you're not, like, okay, but that's also a part of the. Your story.

[Claudia]

Okay, okay. Like, whatever she wants me to think, I'll think, like. Okay.

[Jackie]

Okay. Are you ready for our next story? Someone. Oh, yeah. Number four.

[Claudia]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jackie]

Someone's fiance has been deleted. I don't know if you've seen this, but the Internet's in a tizzy because Sydney Sweeney has deleted a kissing photo with her fiance, Jonathan Divino. And it's actually really weird.

[Claudia]

So in my mind, these two are, like, have been broken up.

[Jackie]

She's feeling breakup rumors from her fiance after she deleted a photo of them kissing from her New Year's Eve Instagram carousel.

[Claudia]

So, yeah, new feature on Instagram is where you could put up a carousel and then instead of deleting the whole thing to take out one photo, you can just take out one photo.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And do they let you add a photo yet? That would be cool.

[Claudia]

That is coming for sure.

[Jackie]

But anyways, worse than just deleting a picture from her grid, Maybe it, like, didn't serve her or whatever. Maybe her. The flow is changing. She went into her carousel from January and deleted a picture of them kissing.

[Claudia]

That's weird.

[Jackie]

Mako Ra.

[Claudia]

Did she delete, like, all traces of him off her social media?

[Jackie]

There's, like, a group photo of him in this carousel, but a picture of them kissing has been deleted.

[Claudia]

Maybe she was, like, about to start clearing him from her social and did the first one and then was like, whatever, this is immature. Like, maybe because I don't see a world in which this makes sense otherwise.

[Jackie]

And of course, like, this big story here is, like, Sydney Sweeney deleted kissing boyfriend.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

But what I want to know is who discovered this? And, like, what are you doing with your life that you have. Remember that the picture is in the carousel. You went all the way back to check if it's still there.

[Claudia]

No, that's a really good point. And I feel like there's actually no way to know that this is true.

[Jackie]

That's also true. Well, they do have the picture here.

[Claudia]

Oh, it's. They have, like, those.

[Jackie]

Claudia, you want to know who discovered it? Sydney Sweeney Daly.

[Claudia]

Even if you commit your whole life, like, to making a fan page of someone, like, I still think this is really Crazy to have noticed. I think so too, but okay. But I'm no longer doubting that it's. It's validity.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like the picture is here on Sydney Sweeney fans.

[Claudia]

I see what Sydney Sweeney fans has.

[Jackie]

Done there and now it's not there. And they must, they must go back every day to check if it's still there. But I guess if you're on like Sydney Sweeney watch and you know that there's rumors, then you check to see if she's deleting stuff. It's kind of your job to keep people abreast on that.

[Claudia]

I'm gonna choose to believe that like the reason why she did this was because she was like gonna start something and then was like just forget it, you know, because some people. There is like a divide. People. What do you think when you break up with like a long term partner? Clearing them from your social media or just like leaving it? It's supposed to be like the timeline of your life and this is what your life was like for that year.

[Jackie]

I think you leave it until your next relationship and then archive it. I don't think you need to break up and then go and start deleting stuff. It's like, for what?

[Claudia]

I've never had to like do that. I don't know. But I do imagine, like, it would feel weird to like have a boyfriend all over your page who's not actively your boyfriend anymore.

[Jackie]

I would focus more on posting fresh new stuff so that the boyfriend moves down.

[Claudia]

It also is different when you are a public person who people go to your profile to look at.

[Jackie]

Yes. But also like, if you're a regular person, you want to meet someone and you have a boyfriend all over your page, they might think you have a boyfriend.

[Claudia]

Of course. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Archive like some of the recent just so that like people can see that you're single.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But I don't think you need to be like removing photos out of like spite or hatred. Like, it's part of the fabric of your life.

[Claudia]

So right.

[Jackie]

As long as you're keeping your profile updated and it's not stopping you from meeting the next person, I think it's totally fine to leave some stuff up.

[Claudia]

And this is like kind of, you know, celebrities are always, when they're like starting new eras, they're like clearing their social media. I feel like they do that. One, of course, like, be dramatic. But two, then they never really have to deal with like old relationship things because they, they clear the celebrities clear their Instagram like once every two years. That's like A relationship timeline.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

I believe these two are broken up. And as you guys know, I'm extremely here for it.

[Jackie]

Right. So stay tuned. Yeah.

[Claudia]

For the official euphoria is like back allegedly filming. So I think it'd be good for her to dive into a new project, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Wonder closes, another one opens.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

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[Claudia]

I know. I don't know why I said it like that.

[Jackie]

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[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

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[Claudia]

You're welcome.

[Jackie]

Our fifth and final story. Things are actually getting worse for Jamie King. She's speaking out.

[Claudia]

No, what's so funny is I see this story nowhere. So I'm so glad you're constantly keeping me abreast on it because it's actually devastating and it's something I'm interested in. I don't see major coverage of.

[Jackie]

Yeah, well, also I saw last week that her they're reporting her and Taylor are not like friends at the moment. They haven't been close in a while even though Taylor is the godmother. So just. I know we were curious, but anyway, she's speaking out after being forced out of her LA pad for owing more than $42,000 in back rent.

[Claudia]

Oh no. Now she doesn't have a place to live.

[Jackie]

Yeah, so as Page Six says, Taylor Swift's longtime friend, Jamie King. And like so the COVID photo is a picture of her and Taylor Swift, Swift. Maybe they worry. People don't care enough about Jamie King, like without the Taylor Swift connection.

[Claudia]

But, like, maybe actress, maybe like a younger demo, only knows her in reference to Taylor. Like, I see her and I think of Heart of Dixie. I think some of our, you know, beloved Gen X listeners see her and think of Pearl harbor. And then listeners, white millennials, white chicks. And then our Gen Z listeners see her and think Taylor Swift's friend.

[Jackie]

Yeah, well, she's broken her silence after being forced out of her LA home for owing more than $42,000 in back rent after her landlord locked her out of the property just days after she lost custody of her two sons. She told Us Weekly over the weekend, quote, the situation with my land or landlord was resolved. Privately, it's disappointing but not surprising to see someone try to exploit this moment for attention. I'm currently focused on what matters most, my children. Just a week ago, the sun reported that she was forced out of her LA home after accumulating 42k in back rent. Per the documents obtained by Us Weekly, she had been living at the 10,145amonth Hollywood Hills pad since April 2023, but had stopped paying rent in January. Her landlord said she was forced to lock. Oh, it was a woman. She was forced to. I don't know why. I was just.

[Claudia]

Yeah. No. And a landlord evicting you gives mail energy. I thought the same.

[Jackie]

She was forced.

[Claudia]

Don't be ashamed.

[Jackie]

She was forced to lock King out of the rental property pending payment, claiming that the actress had been maliciously remaining at the residence. However, Jamie's attorney has since denied the allegations, saying she had been taking acting jobs to pay off the back rent.

[Claudia]

It's just one of those situations where, like, you think you've hit rock bottom. Like, you lose custody of your kids and, like, how could it possibly get worse? And look, here it is getting worse.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And clearly, like, in this moment, she's going through it. Like, it's not like.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

I'm sure things have been ongoing, but, like, you know, there's highs and lows and this seems to be a low. Like, she was paying her rent up until January and now she's not paying her rent and she doesn't have custody of her kids. But then I also saw an update the other day. She posted like a selfie with. I think she, like, had an outing with her kids and she like posted like a smiling picture with them.

[Claudia]

I just feel like she's really focused on the wrong things right now. Like, just like Taking your kids, sending a statement to Us Weekly about your rent. Like, I understand. Like, I care about what other people think. Of course. But when you've hit such a low in your life and you've actually lost custody of your kids, the fact that it seems like a priority to manage the press, when this really can and should be handled totally privately, it feels like an odd priority.

[Jackie]

Yeah, no, get your house in order.

[Claudia]

Right. And then. Then write a book like everybody else, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I. I'm sure she has. She's been a child actress. Like, I'm sure she's been through a lot, but right now, I. I agree with you. Like, find a place to live.

[Claudia]

Like, not the direct statement to Us Weekly. It's not like it's, you know, the New York Times, right?

[Jackie]

Like, focus.

[Claudia]

No shade to Us Weekly.

[Jackie]

But, like, time with your kids. Ignore us.

[Claudia]

Right? Like, don't make it like, you have only set amount of time with your kids. Stop taking selfies, like, and. And connect.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Especially when, like, what's come out is so egregious. Like, no smiling selfie is just gonna, like, change what I've read.

[Claudia]

Right, right, right, right.

[Jackie]

A memoir might.

[Claudia]

Right. Later on, once everything has resolved itself.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but, like, it's not something you just put a band aid on.

[Claudia]

No, but things you might be able to put a band aid on are some of our Dear Toaster submissions. So if you guys don't know, every maybe every Tuesday, Jackie and I do Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment where we read three submissions from Swirlies in Need. They reach out to us, you know, through all different stages. Stages of life, marriage, wedding, relationships. You know, you can talk to us about anything. We're really open books, and I think you'll see that today. So thank you to everyone who wrote in in advance for your open openness and your transparency. Oh, and if you want to Write in DearToasters Gmail.com is the email address, or you can head over to our website, the Toast Podcast. Scroll down, little submission box. Both methods of communication are completely anonymous. Okay. Hey, girly swirlies. I've been dating my boyfriend for about a year. He's been great. I'm 25. He is 27. He's a wonderful, hardworking man. We've really leaned on each other this past year. One issue. He works in a prison. And I understand this job can be brutal and uncomfortable at times, but he continuously talks about how unfair it is that the pregnant women that work there get lighter duty shifts, meaning earlier posts in the Jail. Like, you get to sit at the front desk for your shift. Like, you just get, like, lighter loads. He didn't get an easier shift when he broke his leg. And, like, this is his Roman Empire. He keeps saying he'll never understand since I don't. He keeps saying I'll never understand since I don't work there, but it's actually giving me the ick. Makes me never want to have a child with him. If this is how he views breaking your leg and being pregnant at the same time, it's. Is this immaturity he will grow out of, or is this a serious red flag that he has no respect for women carrying children? Please help. I'm a concerned. I'm concerned. I'm concerned. Xo a fellow girly who would like to have a few babies. She's a typo.

[Jackie]

I'm concerned, period.

[Claudia]

Xo oh, I'm. No, I'm concerned, period. Xo a fellow girly who would like to have a few babies one day.

[Jackie]

So I think it could really easily be either, like, immature until you go through it or your partner goes through it. You have no idea, like, what the woman's body goes through. And obviously, these female prison guards are just being so amazing in their pregnancies that you don't even realize how much they're going through it. Or it's just, like, a complete lack of sensitivity. And this is a red flag.

[Claudia]

I know. Because obviously, like, they're getting to sit at the front desk because, you know, being on your feet all day is a tough job. But also, you know, there is a level of risk with being, like, a prison guard. And if you're carrying a baby, you want to minimize that risk. So, you know, putting them in solitary with the crazies, like, that's also not good. So the fact that he can't see that, like, it's a little concerning, for sure. I don't think he, like, hates pregnant women. He might just be, like, selfish and immature 100%. I need to know more about the relationship. Like, is he generally a selfish.

[Jackie]

Selfish and immature in other areas?

[Claudia]

Mm. I just. That's only something you can really evaluate.

[Jackie]

I can't believe someone could see a pregnant prison. I know and think anything and, like, want to give them more work.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And then, like, make it about themselves in their broken leg.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Sounds like a baby. Yeah. It does really sound like immaturity.

[Jackie]

It does. However, it's not a good look.

[Claudia]

No. But I do often think, even, like, myself, like, maybe things I used to think or Say about, like, a pregnant person. I remember actually the first time I ever, ever got, like, any sort of backlash online, before I really had even a platform, I was at a doctor's office and there was, like, a person, like, breastfeeding, like, right in front of me. And I remember tweeting, like, people who breastfeed in public, like, can you not. Oh, my God. Like, the Breastfeeding association of America. Like, everybody, Like, I got, like, so canceled for this dumb tweet. And now, like, now that's something I vehemently disagree with. Like, whip titty out. Whip a titty out. Like, I love it. I want to see more.

[Jackie]

Oh, and in a doctor's office, that's actually a great place to do it.

[Claudia]

It might not have been a doctor's office. It was like a waiting room for something. Maybe a doctor. But I feel like, no, regardless, like, that's something I vehemently disagree with now. Like, I'm learned and more evolved than that. So it's entirely possible that, like, you just really don't get these things when it pertains to, like, motherhood and whatever until you experience it yourself or, you know, someone who does.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I really do feel that way. And I think doubly so for men, even when their partner's going through it, like, it takes them a minute to get it.

[Claudia]

Yes. Actually, just read a study that, like, most men, most partners, like, really don't connect with the baby in utero. And that's, like, totally normal. Not to be like, you know, some men, like, want to lay on your belly and talk to the baby. And, like, if they don't, like, that's okay. That doesn't make them a bad partner. It's just. It's almost virtually impossible for them to biologically connect.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Until the baby is earth side.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Their lives don't change at all until you have a baby. Yeah. Maybe they gotta get you a few extra sodas, but that's how you're life changing.

[Claudia]

I actually remember the conversation I had with Ben when he realized, like, his life would not have to change at all. When we were, like, first having the conversations about, like, starting to try, and I was like, talking about how I need to get off Ozempic. I need to go to, like, all these things I needed to do before we could really even start. And it's like, okay. And, like, what do I need to do? And I was like, nothing. He was like. He was like, wait, my. Like, I really don't have to do anything different. I'm like, no.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And he was like, I could see, like he didn't want to like rub it in my face. He was just like, that's great.

[Jackie]

Well, now there is this initiative I've been seeing a lot of reels in my algorithm of like men getting into the best shape they possibly could before they inseminate you.

[Claudia]

Yes, yes. Because a lot of your health during pregnancy, just like how you feel is directly correlated to the health of the sperm and the male, the male partner.

[Jackie]

And like the sperm quality is affected by their lifestyle choices. And yes, it affects your pregnancy, but it also could affect your ability to get pregnant. So like people are now, of course now the movement is like, men should spend 10 months getting into the best shape of their lives. And then you spend and working hard, eating right, working out, and then you spend 10 months being pregnant. So that kind of like balances the scales. Not at all because they're becoming like Slender September. But it's something I also saw tick.

[Claudia]

Tock that I've been thinking a lot about recently. And this girl was like, I feel like we talk about like pretty privilege, we talk about skinny privilege, we talk about like all these different privileges, but we really don't talk about like partner privilege and what that means to like live a life and like build a family with somebody who's like an actual partner. And now of course there's partner privilege. Like it's a privilege to have a partner in general as opposed to not having one. But there's also a difference between like having like a partner and a partner actually contributes and helps and is an equal, if not more load bearing individual. And so when you're thinking about who you're going to have kids with, like, it's actually really true. You have to have pretty considerable standards for yourself in terms of like what you want your future to look like. So I feel like you're not being dramatic to the girl who's writing in about like being concerned about it, but it could be nothing.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but is it partner priv. Like if, if, if it's something that you can choose. Right. And everyone has the same more or less.

[Claudia]

Maybe. Okay, maybe privilege isn't the right word, but I knew what she was saying.

[Jackie]

No, it is like it, it's an important thing to think about who your partner is and qualities of your life.

[Claudia]

And your struggles of the first year of having a baby. Right. Like the difference in a. Doing it alone, be doing it with a partner who sucks and see doing it with like an equal 50, 50 as much as it can be 50. 50. A 5050 husband. Like, it's not even a different. Like it's not even a question how different that those three things are.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And it is a privilege. The third.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But it's also choices, right?

[Claudia]

No, it's also something you hopefully can control now.

[Jackie]

Of course.

[Claudia]

Something.

[Jackie]

No, I know. So some people pull the wool over your eyes.

[Claudia]

Well, yeah, Though that's the most evil.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

So if you feel like this guy in other areas is, like, not a selfish person, this is just him being immature. Maybe he doesn't know anyone who's had a baby.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

You're okay.

[Jackie]

He could have a baby.

[Claudia]

Keep an eye. Keep an eye out.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

All right, next up. Oh, this one was really crazy and weird. Okay. Hi, Jackie and Claudia. Lately, my husband has gotten very into sph. Do you know what that is, Jackie?

[Jackie]

No.

[Claudia]

It's small penis humiliation. And I don't know how to handle it. Out of nowhere, he started asking me to roast him. Like, we'll be watching TV and he'll randomly go, babe, tell me it's tiny. At first I just ignored it. I thought he was joking, but he's literally not. He wants this. He keeps bringing it up. Yes. And now it's all I can think about. And here's where it gets worse. I think he's gotten in my head because I swear I never thought his penis was small before. He's a little less than 5 inches hard, which I also thought, like, always was fine, but now I'm not so sure. The other day he got out of the shower and I saw it. It was like a 2 inch turtle retreating into its shell. I really just squint now. I can't unsee it. And honestly, I think I'm feeling it too. Like, is it just me? Do I not feel as full as I used to when we're intimate? Is this some kind of mind trick? Was I blissfully unaware this whole time? I feel like I've just been pilled into a new reality and I don't know how to go back. So now I'm stuck. I do want to give him what he wants, but I don't even know where to start. Do I casually drop comments throughout the day? Do I go full Regina George and roast him? Or do I just start agreeing with him and watch his entire world crumble? Sincerely, a confused but now convinced wife. Well, honestly, sounds like you guys are a match made in heaven. Because he wants to be humiliated in being told he has a small penis and you actually think he has a Small penis. So sounds like you're the only woman who can really give him what he wants.

[Jackie]

I feel like you need to tell him that you didn't know he had a small penis until he's now making so much of it. I. Okay. I have to be honest. I don't understand, like, anything about this.

[Claudia]

Me neither. And I want to say something about penis size, if I may. I know we don't really talk about this, but don't worry, I'm not going to get graphic.

[Jackie]

I. I'm. I'm sad.

[Claudia]

I feel like we have, like, this fixation on, like, penis size Now. Of course, I'm not talking about, like, people who are, like, you know, born with micro penises or like, the opposite extremes.

[Jackie]

You're not talking about these streams.

[Claudia]

Like, a penis. You know, a penis is what you make it. It's also, like, the connection and the person. And like, I know. I feel like I'm like, I sound like Ben has the tiniest penis. Like, that's like, I'm making and I'm not, I swear to God. But I see people, like, especially, like, dating or.

[Jackie]

You sound like someone like, he has a big penis. So you can't relate to the issues of women with a small penis. And you're like, that's fine, I promise.

[Claudia]

That's not what I'm saying. But, like, I see a lot of people talking about this, like, on podcasts and influencers who do, like, dating and sex and relationships, and there's this, like, fixation on penis size where it's like, I don't know, I feel like it's a little bit of shallow. It's almost like how I feel about looks. Right. Everybody is good looking if you love them, you know?

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I also feel like if you're monogamous and you're in a relationship with someone for a long time, especially if you're married, it's not like you're seeing other penises that. This one's bigger.

[Claudia]

Your reference.

[Jackie]

Small compared to. It's big. Like, that's just your penis. That's the one that you have.

[Claudia]

5 inches. Like, is that like a.

[Jackie]

Definitely have a tape measure. Five inches is small. Like.

[Claudia]

You'Re kidding. I'll measure your phone. Okay. Like, how many inches is your phone?

[Jackie]

Let's get to work, ladies.

[Claudia]

Why the. Do you have a tape measure?

[Jackie]

Because we did so many renovations, and I was measuring, bringing up my computer. Okay. My phone. Oh, my gosh. Is six.

[Claudia]

Oh, okay. So a little bit smaller than your phone.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Like, yeah, I See, I see.

[Jackie]

If you're measuring from the bottom, go up to where the time is on your phone.

[Claudia]

Oh, like the bottom of the eight of 1138.

[Jackie]

Yeah, like the bottom of your phone again, then 1138.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

I mean, that's really small.

[Claudia]

It is, but it's not. Not workable.

[Jackie]

And it's like, well, how big is your vagina?

[Claudia]

Well, that's the other thing.

[Jackie]

I really feel a penis for every vagina.

[Claudia]

I completely agree. And if you, like, do you have a tight, small, little vagina? Then it sounds like you guys are a match between heaven and I just think there are other, like, I don't know. A big penis is like, so lazy. Again, I really sound like I'm married to somebody with a micro pen. But like, oh, what, you have a big penis? You don't have to work. It's hard. Like, I just feel like. Let's say. Let's say your man has a small penis.

[Jackie]

I feel like people don't talk about the downsides of bde. Like, lazy hubris.

[Claudia]

Yeah, hubris. I don't even know what that means, but for sure, cocky. You know? But I also mean when it comes to intimacy, you don't feel like you have to do anything because you got this big penis.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

It can only do so much. Somebody with an average sized penis, like, really has to work a little bit harder. Okay, I see. That's five.

[Jackie]

That's five.

[Claudia]

That's not. That's not great. But have back to this girl's issue. I feel like it's not your problem here.

[Jackie]

No, it's sph.

[Claudia]

Yeah, that's. I don't want to kink. Shame. Of course.

[Jackie]

That's not. They're not kinky. They're watching tv.

[Claudia]

I feel like there's something deeper going on with him psychologically that maybe we should explore.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And it has nothing to do with you. And you're kind of letting his psychosis get to you because you're like, thinking and feeling and.

[Jackie]

And I couldn't do it. Like, if I were you, I couldn't do it. And all of a sudden I have to be a comedian, roasting you, coming up with these zingers about your penis. Like, excuse me.

[Claudia]

So you're like, I work full time.

[Jackie]

I'm busy going on.

[Claudia]

So true. Like, you don't need this on your plate unless you were enjoying it.

[Jackie]

No. And she's not. And that's weird. Like his penny. This is fine. You know, it's the SPH that's an issue.

[Claudia]

Oh, I Guess I didn't choose the one about drugs.

[Jackie]

Do you want to see any other measurements? Oh, standard. That they say. Doesn't everyone say they have eight?

[Claudia]

I feel like the joke. I. Let me ask. Hold on.

[Jackie]

Ask Google. Gemini.

[Claudia]

What's the average size penis in America? The average size erect penis in the US is five and a half to six inches in length. Then also you have to consider girth. They say four and a half to.

[Jackie]

Five inches in girth, so our roast of five is. Was nothing. Wait, you just need to show your man this. He has an average size penis. Sorry to break it.

[Claudia]

She said. She said, by the way, it's under 5, but. So maybe he's like an inch under.

[Jackie]

But still, you're just above the average. Like, you're, what, 40th percentile? Like, sorry, you're not special.

[Claudia]

And are people really measuring their penises?

[Jackie]

Like, I. I feel like it's something.

[Claudia]

That you do in, like, high school.

[Jackie]

Yeah, you do once and. And you know, you're. Oh, so, like, doesn't everyone joke that they have eight, though? Isn't that. I guess that's why it's funny, because that's like.

[Claudia]

Yeah, that's like a piece of salami.

[Jackie]

We should teach sex ed.

[Claudia]

We should. I would just say to this girl, like, I wouldn't do anything you're not comfortable with.

[Jackie]

Break up with him.

[Claudia]

They're married. Our third and final is not the one I thought I chose the drug one. Maybe I decided not to. It's basically this girl, like, texted her co worker, like, asking where she could get some blow, and she texted the wrong co worker and she had, like, a pit about it. And then she texted the right co worker and the right co worker was like, sorry, I don't do that. And I just wanted to tell her, like, no shame, like, have fun. But, like, if you're texting your co workers for drugs, like, you're in a.

[Jackie]

Bad spot and you're texting two of them.

[Claudia]

Right. But that's not the one. I. I guess I did just do it, but we're not doing it.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Hey, swirlies. My fiance is a P job. He's starting to give me the major X, though. Last night, last time we got into a fight, he slapped himself in the face and said, you're so stupid. Oh, my God. To be clear, this was not done in a joking manner. His face was bright red and he was dead serious. It was very weird and it gave me a weird feeling and I almost want to end it. Help. I just want to say, this is one of the situations where I feel like we're always talking about like, ick culture. This is not an ick. Ick is like when you see somebody, you know, wearing a backpack and it makes them look weird. Like, this is actually alarming behavior, like self harm. It's fucking weird, that. Right?

[Jackie]

To be put off weird now. Like, I. It's hard to really end your life and start a new one over, like something someone did over two seconds.

[Claudia]

It's a window though, into potential.

[Jackie]

But now you need to, like, really look at the. Relate. Like, was everything else perfect? Like, I just feel like. And he never did this before. This feels like something that's like, like definitely a trauma response.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I also think people who do this, like, maybe do other weird, concerning things. Like, is there anything else to this girl that comes to mind?

[Jackie]

Yeah. But I don't, I don't know someone. I don't know what makes someone do this, but maybe it's like, as a little kid, they were like, abused. Like, and every time they do something wrong, they like, hit them. I don't know. So there's something. You should bring it up to him. If you're having trouble figuring out, like, what you want to do about it, you should be like, when you did this the other day, like, what is that? What does that come from? Like, that really worried me.

[Claudia]

Oh, that's good. Yeah. We could talk about it now.

[Jackie]

Like, now that lies talking to your partner.

[Claudia]

I guess sometimes somebody does something so weird, like you just have to leave.

[Jackie]

There's something that needs to be said.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Like, I've seen what I needed to see and I need to never see you again.

[Jackie]

Because, like, this what this guy did, like, I feel sorry for him. I don't know why. That's my. Like, because it's not like he went and he hit you. Like, I feel sorry for him.

[Claudia]

And it's maybe indicative of like, a deeper issue.

[Jackie]

He deserves care.

[Claudia]

Yeah. He needs, like, nurturing at this moment, not abandonment. However, you gotta look out for number one.

[Jackie]

But even if you're gonna leave him and look out for number one, give him a conversation, like, because maybe then he'll realize, like, oh, I have all this going on. I wasn't ready for a relationship. I need to work on myself. Like, I have a lot of things that I need to unpack and.

[Claudia]

What are you telling me? Like, that thing you did, like, it really scared me. What is that?

[Jackie]

Yeah, I think we could just like, talk.

[Claudia]

Don't, like, don't be judgmental. Be like. That was really weird of you.

[Jackie]

No, just be like that.

[Claudia]

Don't do what we have done.

[Jackie]

No, no, no. That's why we do it here. Get out our judgment so that you can handle it. Put your best foot forward and just be like.

[Claudia]

I just.

[Jackie]

It made me sad and worried for you. Like, where does that come from? Like, why do you do that?

[Claudia]

I just didn't realize people do this, like, outside of svu. Do you know what I mean? It's such a thing you do in the interrogation room.

[Jackie]

Yeah, stupid. Like I did.

[Claudia]

I. Banging your head against the wall.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's not 100.

[Claudia]

No, it's self harm.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It's like a child's response.

[Claudia]

Is it?

[Jackie]

I don't like hit. I don't know.

[Claudia]

You're so stupid.

[Jackie]

I don't know.

[Claudia]

No, it's. It's a mental ill thing. No, I'm good.

[Jackie]

What kind of person Slap.

[Claudia]

I don't want to know. Just. Just talk to him. Something therapy can. Can fix or like bada bing, bada boom.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Seems like a textbook case for a therapist.

[Claudia]

This is a job.

[Jackie]

But I don't know what the textbook is called, but I know there's a book about it.

[Claudia]

100 guys.

[Jackie]

That's our show.

[Claudia]

Thank you to everybody who wrote into dear toasters and everybody who listened to the end of this episode. I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you enjoyed listening to it as much as we enjoyed making it. And Jackie's measuring what, her 12? That's insane. Yeah. Like, I honestly, I think I'd rather have a micro penis.

[Jackie]

Right?

[Claudia]

Yeah. Because that's pain.

[Jackie]

But the vagina is adjustable.

[Claudia]

I mean, that's true. Yeah. So. But you want to have a baby every night? No. Thank you guys so much for listening to the toes of Monday morning show. We live the fast. We should talk about penises more. Like.

[Jackie]

We're so funny. We are so funny. Like an untapped conversation for us.

[Claudia]

I know. If we ever.

[Jackie]

But not too much, really. Like, it's no jack when it's once in a while.

[Claudia]

But just know if the show ever becomes, like, overtly sexual all the time, it means we've officially run out of things to talk about.

[Jackie]

Yeah. We're desperate.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Lonely women. Thank you so much for listening to the Chelsea Monday morning show. We deliver the fastest rage news every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So watching us on YouTube, please help me to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as a podcast anywhere. Podcasts can be found. So Spotify too. Stitcher public radio hire ready to cast box all the places we have you listen to podcast on us atosley via five star review about how beautiful, stunning and wickedly talented we are. Hope you have an amazing Tuesday and we'll see you tomorrow for the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap and a gorgeous pargy hump day.

[Jackie]

Love ya.

[Claudia]

Bye.