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Good morning, girlies.
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It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.
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It's your favorite show.
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The best five things you need to know.
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We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.
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They sound amazing.
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Welcome back to the Toast and happy Thursday. That feels like a Friday.
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It really feels like a Friday in.
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The sense that I don't think that we should work tomorrow. Yes, I agree.
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I just feel like there's so much happening today. It's like, a very celebratory day, and tomorrow just feels like, like, extra. And we have a long weekend because it's the weekend of the President. Oh, my God.
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I forgot that it's a bank holiday on Monday. And, of course, we will be honoring it.
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Of course. We would never not let a bank holiday go. Our presidents, of course. Banks.
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It's such an important historical day.
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Yeah.
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Maybe we should take a trip to Mount Rushmore.
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Maybe we should take off Tuesday, too.
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Just to be, like, really respect. Honoring.
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Yeah.
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Very Charlie Puth of us.
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And maybe Friday, The Friday before. But we did it. And we're doing a show tomorrow.
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Just one day, and it's enough.
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It's also, like, tomorrow is Harry's birthday. Harry's fourth birthday. So I'm already, like, thinking of tomorrow as, like, a fun celebration day. And it's just giving, like, weekend, right? Yeah, it's a freaking weekend.
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But it is Thursday, and that's okay.
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And it is what it is.
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It is what it is Till it ain't anymore.
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Are those real lyrics?
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What do you mean? Like, you think I just made that up?
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No, I just want to confirm.
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Yeah, it's a Casey Musgrave song. So take it up with Casey.
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I love her, but that's.
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I know.
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I love you, too.
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And, like, it is what it is.
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Till it ain't anymore. Like, it's not.
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And I believe that's from the Pageant Material album. Her.
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Her greatest work.
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Yeah. It's just funny, you know, that everybody's out here thinking they know Kasey Musgraves. Cause they listen to Golden Hour and dropped off. But I've been knowing her, and I will take credit. And I know you're going to argue with me on this, but historically in the family, like, I introduced everyone to Casey Musgraves when Merry Go Round came out. Anything you want to say to that?
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So I'm not going to agree with you wholeheartedly, but I'm not going to dispute you.
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I remember where we were.
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I don't remember how I, like, I don't have a. A conflicting tale. I just. I don't remember it being you, but if. If it's you, it's you.
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I also introduced the family to Luke Combs, but nobody wants to give me credit.
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You see that one? Like, I will dispute you on this.
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So when we hosted the CMA red carpet for the first time, he had just released When It Rains, It Pours. And I was telling you guys about this, like, cutie little redhead who had a song, and it was, like, making you a redhead.
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That's how you think of him, is he not? I don't think of him as a red. Like, when I think of, like, well.
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He'S only wearing a hat.
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Redheads throughout history.
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Oh, Luke Holmes is one of you. You don't know that.
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I never thought of it.
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Am I just, like, making stuff up? No. I guess this is like when. When Taylor Strecker came on the podcast and was like, Julia Roberts, like, famous redhead. And I said, what the are you talking about? What hair color would you consider? Luke Combs?
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No, let me just look up, like, a picture of him. But he's one of those, like, brunettes that has, like, red.
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No, no, he's more than that. He's red.
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You don't think he's a brunette?
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Oh, Luke comes. His hair color is generally considered dark brown. Okay. He has a fully red beard. I don't know what chat GBT is talking about. I'm right. He's a redhead.
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That's so funny.
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What do you consider, like, look at the photos. What do you say?
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He's not. Yes, look, he's not.
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He's a fully red beard.
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Look at the hair. He said red head.
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Okay, look at that second picture on Google from. That's from the.
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This one.
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No, no, top. That's from the one.
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It reads, he's wearing a hat, so you can't see his hair color, but.
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You see his fully red beard.
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No, but there are men who have brown hair and red beards, and they're not considered redheads.
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There are men who have brown hair and, like, red ish beards. His beard is the same color as.
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Your hair, but they are not considered redheads.
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I don't care what is considered what outside.
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This is my community, and, like, I think I speak for everyone. I say, like, we. We. I would love to, like, include him.
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It's your what?
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It's my community. I would love, like, if he wants to be considered redhead, like, I would let him in. No problem.
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Luke Holmes. What do you Consider yourself.
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I'll have to compare with Shannon. We sort of are like the councilwomen.
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You are the Volt.
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Whenever something happens, like, in the redhead world, and there are things, stuff happens. And I know stuff happens because, like, Shannon and I discuss.
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Okay, like, what's the most recent thing you guys discussed? At a Voltori meeting.
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Oh, at a redheads meeting. Let me search my phone.
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You know, last night was Twilight themed. Tonight on Masked Singer.
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Oh, and Kenny Johnson talked about who got eliminated.
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I know Billy Ray was. Oh, sorry, Spoiler alert. Was eliminated on last night's episode. I think everybody pretty much guessed that. And the thing is, I need to keep tuning in because I have to fucking find out who Picasso is.
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What my conversation with Shannon. I'm just searched redhead in my phone. So here. Here's what comes up between me and Shannon. Me. Yes. It's more painful for fairer skin. And then everything hurts more for redheads. She goes, I just assume redheads have end of the stick. Anyways, I said it's harder and more painful for redheads. You know that, right?
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Your favorite statistic.
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She said such redhead things.
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So that's. So you weren't really talking about major current events at the most recent.
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No, but I think when we were, like, both experiencing childbirth, like, there are things to know as a redhead, and that was in the fall.
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So what's the biggest drama in the redhead community? Like, like what? It's.
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Well, like, you know, when a famous.
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Redhead dyes her hair or when somebody tries to join.
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No, I don't. When somebody tries to join. Not a big deal. Everybody's always, like, dyeing their hair. A famous redhead dyeing their hair is drama in the red. That's, like, so crazy to me.
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Does it hurt your feelings?
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No, no. I just can't understand it.
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Yeah, it might be, like, how I feel or felt like, when a fellow fat person, like, decided to lose weight, perhaps, like, being left behind. Like, what, you don't love us anymore?
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Perhaps. And then also, sometimes, like, there's a couple, like, iconic redheads that Chad and I, like, feel like we, like, keep tabs on, you know?
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Okay, who. Madeline Petsch.
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No.
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Who are famous redheads? Like Julia Roberts, of course.
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But, like, not even.
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Not even.
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Like, we have Isla Fisher. Amy.
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Yeah, of course. Of course. The classics. But I believe one of Amy Adams is not a real red. A redhead. One of them isn't. But do you care? Like, are you, like, an authenticator?
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No. You know what it's like? It's. If you've got If I never knew, then. Then you're a redhead. You're. And you're the elk of a redhead. Because there are also people who are, like, the elk of redheads, where it's like. Like J.C. marie.
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But she's not.
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But she's not a real. But I consider her a redhead.
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Okay. That's very big of you. Like, a very. You welcome everyone with open arms.
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I do.
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I love that.
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And she, like, it does such justice for the community. She makes it so cool. Okay, so, yeah, Shannon and I have to get together for our quarterly redhead review.
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So I watch the Olympics last night.
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O.
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So much going on. Is anyone familiar. What the hell is his name? Jason.
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Oh, we were talking about breastfeeding. That's why I was talking about painful for redheads.
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Got it. Jason Stoles. Justin Stoles. Oh, my God.
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I only know this package. Stool drum, of course.
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And Utah. So he's a speed skater, and he won gold last night for America. And they were just telling the story. It was literally ice princess. So he grew up in, like, very, very rural Wisconsin. And, you know, I watch things now, like, as a parent, like, I'm always looking at his mother. Right. And grew up in very rural Wisconsin on a pond and, you know, tail as old as time. The pond froze, and him and his siblings were like, what should we do? And they literally made, like, a rink. And he just fell in love with speed skating. He lived 40 miles from the nearest facility. He was, like, training in this basement. His parents drove him every day. 40 miles. 40 miles. And then, like, watching him win gold, I was literally crying for the mom. Like, she must be so proud. He was so cute. Like, you know, when they give them a pack, all of this is. They aired in prime time, but it all happened already. But I try not to spoil anything for myself.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, when they're, like, airing the package that he definitely, like, did good, you know, I was like, I was getting hyped. Yeah. I'm so on to Peacock, by the way. Like, I know them, and they just waste so much of the coverage. Like, I put on the coverage and, like, why am I watching a men's hockey game of two countries that aren't even. Like, it wasn't America, but it wasn't, like, big ones either. Like, I'm like, girl, get out of here.
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But, you know, there's. They've got to cover.
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There's so many things to cover.
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Who were the teams playing? Maybe they are, like, really good teams that will end up in the finals.
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I don't know, but it was annoying.
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It wasn't like the big hockey team.
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No. It wasn't like, Russia versus Canada. What's that game? Miracle. It wasn't Miracle on 34. It wasn't political. It was like Sweden, you know, like someone, like, literally neutral. Oh, no, Switzerland.
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Both.
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They both are so lovely.
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And neutral.
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And neutral. Yeah. Which I just want to say that's you. Switzerland ate down with that neutrality thing. Like. Yeah. I feel that sometimes you just don't want to get involved.
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Yeah.
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It's like, this is not literally. This is not my plate.
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But sometimes. Don't you feel called?
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Yeah, of course. Like, I think Switzerland famously turned their Jews away when they were like, escape, for sure.
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Not getting involved.
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It's an imperfect. It's an imperfect system. Okay. It's an imperfect system. Of course. What else can I tell you guys about before we dive? Actually, the stories are, like, really?
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There are a lot of stories today.
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I know. And I've, like, personally fallen down the rabbit hole about the Casey Wasserman thing, which I'm sure we're going to be talking about.
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I have started to enter, like, Epstein reels. Like, I'm getting a like of Epstein content from the files, and it's not a good place to be.
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I don't know if I said this on the podcast, but I was talking to you about it. There was. And I was so annoyed. I was reading this, like, thing, a carousel on Instagram. And then Ruby woke up from his nap and I, like, lost the carousel forever. But it was all the Bravo liberties, Bravo adjacent people mentioned in the Epstein files. Now, almost all of them, it was fairly innocuous, like, nothing really. None of them met Epstein.
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Nothing like associated or an accomplice.
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But, like, some guy was emailing Jeffrey about how he had dinner last night and met a guy named Whitney who's putting together a show called Serena's.
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Sounded amazing. Yeah. About, like, you know, Russian princesses living in New York.
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So Whitney never met Epstein. The only one who's, like, involved in a way that's, like, a little close is Carol Radwell.
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Also Annabelle from Ladies of London.
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Annabelle from Ladies of London, who now, like, it's so easy.
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She's passed.
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She has passed. And now it's easy to look back on, like, her death as being. But she was, like, asking Jeffrey for money. She was like. Like, he was, like, an investor, like, really weird.
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Yeah.
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And talking a lot about girls. Like, young girls.
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Yeah.
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Her emails were bad.
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Her emails were bad.
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I would put her in Mauricio Umansky was in there. But like, so I'm a huge.
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Of business. Yeah.
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Like, here are a bunch of business people whose net worth, like it was so unfair. Like, that's not Mauricio's. Not napsting piles.
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Caroline Stanberry was in. In a way that I did not think was suspicious.
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Me neither.
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But I. But it was also like, without context, it's hard to understand. But like I. They were just talking about her.
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Yeah. It's also crazy how like, frequently these people who were doing like really bad things were emailing. Like, why don't you just call them like.
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Yeah, but one I think they thought they could get forever. Because they did. And they were.
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And they still, like, they still.
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No one's gone. Like, yeah, even like the names who you know are like the names. The obvious ones who are obviously Wes Lexner. Lex Wessner, Les Wexner. Yeah, yeah.
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Nothing.
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Bill Gates.
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No, no, literally everyone. Like, and I think that.
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And it's like I was watching an interview with his ex wife and she was asked about it.
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Melinda.
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Uh huh.
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And it's like no one's being asked about it except Melinda. Like, no.
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And like she's not even denying it really. Like, she was just like, it brings up a lot of painful memories.
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Oh, I didn't see that.
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Yeah, she was with npr.
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Yikes.
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Yeah. Like, okay. And then he's just going to go talk somewhere and tell us what to do.
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Right. That's so crazy. No, it's really that it's very upsetting.
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Yeah.
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But the, the amount of people, like just until. Sorry. All back to the Wasserman thing, which I started seeing some things about on Tick Tock a couple of days ago, but it's only recently become more of a big story because some bigger names are talking about it, which we'll get into. And then of course, so sad. James Vanderbieke. So is that a story?
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Yes, it is.
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Like really like so upsetting. Sometimes the celebrity death, like just hits you sideways.
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Yeah.
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So lots to discuss today.
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Lots.
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What are the other stories?
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Stories? I have like one fun Olympic story of like just like an Olympics fun fact of a crazy thing that's happening.
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Okay.
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And you didn't know that was happening. Okay. I like to add one of those a day. Okay, well if I tell you all them right now, like, doesn't that spoil the fun?
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Yeah, but like sometimes it's nice to know what you're getting into.
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Okay. Like a little teaser, a little teaser. Okay. But I'm gonna make it like super Teasy. Okay, new face of skims. A hot bombshell has entered the skims campaign. Okay.
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Oh, speaking of bombshells, I don't know if you saw big news. Iris and tj who, by the way, are still together. Iris got her lip filler dissolved. I love when. And I say this is somebody who got lip filler two weeks ago. I love when girls get their lip filler dissolved. I feel like it's a real coming of age story.
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But do you feel like getting lip filler and then getting it dissolved? You don't look like the same person who never got it all.
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Like, you always leave a little bit.
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It's like, kind of like the best. The best way to do lip fillers. Have lip filler and get it dissolved 1000%.
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Because you still leave a little bit in there.
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Yeah. And you have, like, this new puffed up shape. You're not like, the person that you were before you got that.
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No, but I feel like we all remember where we were in Brielle Biermann got her lip filler dissolved. Like, it was a cultural reset. Kylie Brooks Nader just did it. Like.
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Yeah, it's such. They still have, like, bigger lips than when they started.
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Of course. And that's the whole point.
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Yeah. But I feel like the. The look now is get filler and dissolve it. Well, not just.
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Iris looks amazing.
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Not just skip it entirely.
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Oh, no, no, no. Iris looks amazing.
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Oh, I have to see.
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Yeah.
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So do you feel like we could dive in? I. I don't know.
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Except that, like, I actually am so, like, I'm kind of becoming like a. Like a moisture queen. So. By the way, my hands and my ankles. Ankles. What am I talking about? What are they called? The bottom of your feet? Heels have been so cracked. I haven't, like, been on top of my moisturization because I thought, like, being in Florida, like, we didn't have, like, winter skin. No, you definitely do. And today's sponsor, Gold Bond, has been keeping me in check. I don't know if you guys know. I heard other postpartum mamas talking about this. Do you know you're to have dry skin postpartum? Like, as if we don't have enough to deal with.
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Of course. And if you're breastfeeding, it takes all the moisture out of your body. My hands get dry, My nail beds get dry. My elbows are dry. Dry elbow. Nobody wants to see that.
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I have, like, I'm now like, that person with hand cream. And actually, I did a hand cream. We were playing mahjong yesterday and I whipped out my Gold Bond hand cream and I was like, asking the girlies if they wanted and everyone said no. They're like, it'll make the tile slippery. Can I tell you, I feel like I didn't play good because I was like, really slippery with that.
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You hand cream too close to the sun.
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I did. So I'm really excited about today's sponsor, Gold Bond. And if you have, you know, been alive or conscious for the last 20 years, Gold Bond is an industry leader.
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It's like, because if you have to do it, you know, five times a day, it's not really worth it. With Gold Bond we keep at the studio, I keep in the car. It's so easy. You don't have to do it every hour. Winter skin can get really dry and uncomfortable. Sometimes you get to the point where you're like, cracked or even bleeding. So, like, being proactive. And just because you escaped winter weather doesn't mean you escape winter skin. I feel like a lot of people don't know that.
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No. And the sun can be drying as well.
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So true. Do you know within eight, within minutes of applying, 85% of consumers agree that their skin looks healed, hydrated, and healthier. Also, it's smooth skin in just three days. So if you're trying to get dry skin back on track and winter has been doing its thing, it's such an easy way to add into your routine. Yeah, I started like a week ago and I'm good. Cuz also, I'm doing a lot of music classes and like, you take your shoes off and it's like, it's mortifying.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So I can't be showing up. I like embarrassing my family with no.
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Crusty feet and with mahjong, like, everyone's looking at our hand.
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It's so true. I've been staying on top of like, my manicure.
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Have like a cracked knuckle.
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It's so true. Like, flaky. And then you leave flakes on the massage.
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Flakes. But I also just want to say, like, I endorse taking like a moment's break during the show to rub our hands.
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I love that.
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I feel. I feel like I'm at the spa.
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Yes.
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As much as one could be at the spa in the middle of a.
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Podcast and life hack, you don't really have to shower because you smell so good from your cream.
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Sure, sure.
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In fact, you could kind of pop off queen at those facilities.
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One could.
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Looking hydrated, smelling good.
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Literally.
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Literally. Even though I don't know if there's anything that could keep us from being truly embarrassed.
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Who we are.
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Yeah.
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And who will always be.
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Okay, our first story is some sad news as the aforementioned James Vanderbeek, star of Dawson's Creek, has passed away at the age of 48. So James Vanderbeek was diagnosed with colorectal cancer in 2020 and made his diagnosis public in 2024. Yesterday, his family shared the news with the statement on Instagram saying our beloved James David Vanderbeek passed peacefully this morning. He met his final days with courage, faith and grace. There's so Much to share regarding his wishes, love for humanity and the sacredness of time. Those days will come. For now, we ask for a peaceful privacy as we grieve our loving husband, father, son, brother, and friend.
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Sab, I'm, like, so upset. So he has five kids?
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Six.
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Six kids. I think every, like, we haven't, like, seen him publicly a lot since he announced his diagnosis. And every time we saw him, like, he looked, you know, like he was withering away. So I don't think it's, like, a huge surprise, but it's so sad. I don't know. Like, I don't watch Dawson's Creek, so that's not how I came to James Vanderbeek. I think a lot of people came to him to Johnson's Creek. I came to him to. Don't trust the baby.
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He was huge, I want to say is his greatest work. Like, I know.
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I agree.
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I know he's, like, known for Dawson, but like, him and don't trust the Bee. If you haven't ever seen it, treat me such a treat. First of all, it's an amazing show and, like, he plays himself and it's just comedy gold.
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Yeah. And then a lot of people came to him on Dancing with the Stars. He was, like, so popular. So really just like an America sweetheart. This is so sad. I saw Becca Tobin today. Shared they started a GoFundMe for his family because he has six kids and, you know, leaving behind a wife to take care of all that. And it had reached, like, over a million dollars. And so many celebrities donated, which obviously, like, I'm obnoxious and I wanted to see. And so I think, like, yeah, because.
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Also apparently he, like, does. He wasn't, like, making money from Dawson's Creed. He's not making the money that you would think that he would make. Oh, he was on a show that's, like, you know, syndicated and was. Has a million seasons. Like, you would think it's like, mailbox money. And, like, they are not in that sort of position.
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So as of this morning, it's $1.4 million. And then the people who donated. Jonathan Chu. That's John m. Wicked, right? 10,000. Guy Osiri. 10,000. I don't know. A lot of other people donate $10,000, but I don't know them. Only saying the people that I know. And then I.
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Anonymous, too.
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A bunch of anonymous. A bunch of people whose name names I don't know. And then I saw Zoe seldon and donated $2,500 a month. And it says there's like a green thing that says monthly. Oh, wow. Like every month, the celebrities, like, are getting flack for not donating enough and, you know, posting about it. It's like, well, why don't you give it all that to say there's now over a million dollars and she's like, now a single mom of six kids. So I'm not.
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Not.
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I'm not gonna clown on the celebrities in this moment. No, not today.
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No. That's very nice that everyone's doing that. And I think he's someone who's just, like, beloved, paranoid. I know everybody loves him. Not, like, see him in person. I remember I saw. Yeah. When we were in la.
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I hadn't watched.
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Margot and I were really excited because we're big fans.
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Don't trust the bee yet. So you guys chased him down the street and I. And he was nice. Yeah.
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No, because our behavior was off. Like, acted like an animal. No, no, no. Like, we chased him down the street. Like, you said he was with his family and, like, he just wasn't interested in, like, being a celebrity. And I don't hold it against him. No, of course, you know, as I've, like, grown up, like, I can.
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You realize you were in the wrong.
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Like, that. He didn't owe me anything at that moment.
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No. And I feel like.
B
And it doesn't change how I feel about him. If anything, I'm just like, okay, so he's more interested in being a father than, like, being a celebrity. Go off, King. Go off.
A
I completely agree. Like, such an upsetting way for this story to have ended and just, like, sad. Really sad.
B
Yeah.
A
I feel really sad for his wife.
B
Me too. And his children. I know.
A
They're so cute. They have, like, this troop. Are they all girls? No, but they're all, like, platinum blonde.
B
Yeah, they all look like him.
A
They look like the von Trapp family. Like, so cute.
B
Yeah.
A
Really sad.
B
Really sad. Are you ready for our next story? The teaser that I mentioned, new face of skims. I think I didn't see this.
A
I did.
B
Kylie Jenner strips down for a new skims underwear campaign. So, like, skims did the most yesterday. Announcing, like, new everyday cotton collection for skims. Like, Kim posted, like, a little behind behind the scenes vlog. She's trying out her content creation and Kylie talk too. Kylie is, like, the new face of this new collection.
A
So it seems as though in the last, like, month, Kylie decided to show up for work. Like, she also did a Lemmy campaign.
B
Right.
A
And I feel like she's been like, all the sisters, like, do each other's stuff every once in a while, but, like, not really. Kylie.
B
Yeah.
A
And I feel like maybe they had to talk with her or something, because now she's, like, done too. Interesting.
B
Maybe she, like, wants another plane, you know, Maybe she's hustling.
A
I feel like that's how she gets another plane, by, like, doing campaigns for her sisters. I feel like you take, like, the day, right?
B
Maybe she needs them to, like, watch her kids or something so she can go on a trip with Kimmy.
A
She needs something from her sisters, and that's why she's.
B
You have to think about, like, what would make Margot do something.
A
Like, she is Margot. And that, I guess, like, I don't know, like, what? But Kylie's in a unique position where she doesn't really need anything.
B
No, she doesn't. And, like, she doesn't need to use them for clout. She's, like, more interesting and famous than she's ever been.
A
I feel like with the skims thing, like, she could just also have wanted, like, a Bombshell campaign. This is, like, very good PR for Kylie and her body.
B
Yeah, it's good PR for Kylie and her looks and her.
A
I don't know what she got out of the Lemmy thing.
B
Her. I think it was a Kylie cosmetics thing, though.
A
Was it?
B
I think so. And that's, like, you know, they need relevant. Like, they need to, like, stay. Not saying they're irrelevant. They need to stay up in the culture.
A
Oh. So let me.
B
Was it, like, a beauty gummy?
A
Kylie Cosmetics. You're right. A skin one. Speaking of, actually saw the craziest thing this morning. I saw the craziest ad for Lemmy today with the influencer Michaela Nagara.
B
Your favorite, favorite influencer I hear about from you.
A
She did Lemmy Purr, which is the sexy one. So you knew it was gonna be. Say it's a great. Once you hear what she says, you're not gonna care. Like, that's okay. Ready?
B
Can you play it?
A
I have an embarrassing confession. And if you're my grandma or my mom and I know you watch my video videos, if you could just scroll on this one, that would be great.
B
I love her.
A
I have never been eaten out. I know. I. When I first told my friends this, their jaws dropped. I'm gonna tell you why. I am so terrified that I'm gonna taste like I'm just being honest, but in the new year, trying new things. Okay. And when I saw Lemmy Purr was viral. This is a vaginal Probiotic gummy. I was.
B
They are not paying her enough.
A
I don't know what they paid her, but it sounded. Mind you.
B
Is that viral?
A
Married?
B
Is that viral?
A
I mean, it has.
B
I'm in shock.
A
When is this video even from?
B
I didn't know. I thought it was just gonna be like the way that she said it.
A
Okay. It has three and a half million views, which for her is not like the videos surrounding it have 2 million, 5 million, 8 million, 2 million, 1 million. So it's a very high performing ad. Okay. This is from two weeks ago. I don't know how I'm just seeing it. The comments. No amount of money would make me say this. Somebody being like, but you have a husband. The other one. You couldn't torture this information out of me. Somebody else. The rent could not have been this high. Yeah, they're. I just was shocked it's not breaking news because I guess it's a two week old video.
B
Oh, my gosh.
A
Yeah.
B
Maybe she wants a plane. The things. Like, would you do it for a plane?
A
No. There are a lot of things that I would do for money, actually. I have a campaign coming up that you guys are gonna know exactly what I'm talking about.
B
Okay.
A
It's like very much like Lisa Rinna doing Depends. Like, I'm very Lisa Rinna like that. Like, I'm a hustler. I do draw the line at certain things. And I actually, like. You couldn't have paid me to make a video like that.
B
No.
A
Shout out to Lemmy.
B
She also could have like done a video for Lemmy Per. Like, that wasn't like.
A
She didn't have to be so honest. No. And she. Yeah. Sorry, how do we get here? Oh, let me. Yeah, it just reminded me. I saw it this morning and I was like. It was one of the first things I saw when I woke up and I was like, wow, okay, we're going there.
B
No.
A
One thing about Michaela and Aguero, she will always be famous.
B
Like, yeah.
A
She knows what she's doing.
B
Wow. Wow. Well, Kylie's the new face of Skims. His pictures are insane.
A
Oh, Timothy is just like.
B
She seriously never looked better. She looks drop dead gorgeous.
A
This is like a modern version of becoming a Victoria's Secret angel. Angel. Which, like, if Victoria's Secret was what it was like, Kylie would have been one, you know?
B
Yeah.
A
So, yeah, I could understand her doing this. I don't understand her doing the Lemmy thing, but I'm just saying they had a family talk. Like, that was what I That's how I interpreted this collaboration.
B
Well, I like it. I like when Kylie's with her sister.
A
I like when they all do their other. Like, they don't do it. Oh. Oh, my God. I saw this video. I think I sent it to you about Chloe. About Good America.
B
Yeah.
A
And it's not confirmed or whatever. It's just like purely conjecture. But it seems like. Like she's not involved with Good American anymore.
B
Yeah. She hasn't posted for Good American in, like, months. She posts mostly like Fabletics ads now. She's very.
A
Which is a direct competitor. Good American recently launched Athleisure.
B
Right. Like the followings. Like people unfollowed each other.
A
Yeah. I'm agreed of it all. Like, can somebody with insider knowledge let me know what is Khloe Kardashian's involvement in Good American?
B
It seems very limited at the moment. Maybe her contract ended.
A
How can it be a contract for a company you started? That's what it looked like.
B
But maybe like, she started it, like, with Emma, but maybe she was more of like a face. A face kind of how.
A
Like, people forget. But when Fabletics launched, it was Kate Hudson's company. You guys remember it was like Kate Hudson's launching Athleisure. I don't think she's been involved for many years. She definitely got like a percentage of the company.
B
She was still in it.
A
Right. Like, I think it might be one of those.
B
Yeah.
A
Like I'm watching off the back of someone.
B
Yeah. And I think that, like, maybe that has a term, you know, if someone ever wants to get out of it and. Or you can bring up it.
A
Yeah. Yeah. Maybe Chloe felt like it was holding her back. But a Good American gang, like all that stuff, that was so Chloe.
B
Good crew. What was it?
A
The Good Gang. Like, is that what it was called?
B
Good guys. No, the gals.
A
Yes. Like Good America.
B
Good squad.
A
Yeah. Good Squad. Some. Yeah, that sounds right.
B
Yeah, yeah. They all sound right.
A
Yeah.
B
Yeah. I feel like we'll. We'll find out more in time because someone was just like, onto it like that. The reel that you saw, the tick tock. It's like one person, like, putting it together, but eventually we'll probably know more.
A
Yeah. And shout out to my favorite creator who put it together. I feel like that is Georgie.
B
You have a favorite creator.
A
Yeah. She's like, British and she doesn't give a. Like, she just makes a lot of pop culture content and like, she does deep dives on, like, you know, she's British. Like British aristocrats. It's like, she does a lot of royal stuff. That's how I found her. And she was one who put together the skims thing.
B
Well, Emma's British now.
A
Maybe that's how she landed there.
B
Maybe that's how she got British connection. But I find that some of those people who make those videos about, like, pop culture and stuff, like, they're so off base.
A
Yeah, right.
B
Like, they're insane.
A
You would like this girl. Like, she has our. Our vibe.
B
And is she always on base?
A
No, she just always gives, like. Yeah, she's on base.
B
Yeah, she's on base. Because, like, I'm down for. You want to do a green scene one tell.
A
Yeah, it's green screen content.
B
Sure. They're so off base with something a lot of times, like, worst takes, worst predictions. Yeah, agreed, agreed.
A
Agreed.
B
Get it together.
A
I only follow good ones. I only follow good ones.
B
Get it together, girls.
A
Agree.
B
Because it's interesting.
A
So it's my favorite type of culture content.
B
Yeah. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Speaking of pop culture, Dorinda Medley is set to join E's Roni reboot after Jill Zarin's firing. So Dorinda is now joining the golden life. Is that what we're calling it right today?
A
Golden Coast?
B
The golden life.
A
Okay.
B
Featuring the original cast of Roni that was set to feature Jill Zarin, Sonja Morgan Luann, and Ramona Singer. And Kelly Bensimon.
A
I don't know why she's not here.
B
Here.
A
Oh, I knew that. I feel like they're positioning it due to the timing. It's like she's replacing Jill. But what I heard she's been in talks to. You don't get cast on a TV show in one day. Like, I think she's been in talks to do it for a while. And I think, like, they're trying to, like, continue the news story, like, a moment, flush out the Jill thing, like, and.
B
And make it a positive again.
A
But Dorinda doesn't live in Florida.
B
Well, she must be, like, getting her ducks in order. She could probably spend. They'll probably shoot for, like, a couple months. She could spend a couple months right down here.
A
I hope she gives more to the show than she's giving on Traders. She's like, oh.
B
But it's funny because Traders, I feel, has been, like, positive for her because I feel like her going into the season, like, she's never.
A
She hasn't said anything vile and nasty to anyone. She says, like, the lowest thing.
B
I don't know if they're like, allowed to drink on set.
A
Right. Remember when she was, like, making fun of Tinsley for, like, having to have a baby via ivf? And so she's like, you and your turkey base, like, like the worst fudgeing thing you could say.
B
Yeah, yeah.
A
We haven't had a lot of that. Dorinda. Although I do think that's why people like her.
B
And so, like, like now, especially in the absence of all the interesting characters, like, we're kind of rooting for Dorinda by default.
A
Oh, well, also, she's one of the few remaining ones who's familiar to us on traitors. Like, I don't know Natalie. I don't know Tara and Johnny. Even though now watching the Olympics, I'm so rooting for them. Yeah, yeah. We are rooting for Dorinda just because.
B
She'S like, by default. Yeah.
A
By the way, they finally dropped the Colton files.
B
We watched.
A
I watched much. I've never maybe, like, I don't think I'm the only one who felt this way. And maybe it's because I was, like, waiting for it for so long that it felt so disappointing. But they did it differently than they've been doing all the other ones. And there is a theory, like, people conspiring that Rob told Colton or Colton knew Rob, like, Colton knew something. And I kind of agree with those people now because in for literally every person who's been eliminated since the season started, they filmed them finding out who the traders are by flipping a playing card over and it has the person's picture on it. They did this, like, spooky thing with Colton. Like, the spirits tell me who it's Candace. And we don't actually see his face when they say the words Candace and Rob. It's giving set up. It's giving fake.
B
Yeah. Also, we didn't get his guesses. Yeah.
A
Like, it was just done the way they've been doing it is perfect. Literally perfect. Perfect. I don't know why they decided to switch it up with the player. People were anticipating most.
B
And it's also like, when you're gonna do this video, you don't need to cut anything. Like, put the camera on them.
A
No edits.
B
Ask who you think that they is.
A
Yeah, sure. Ask who you think that they is.
B
He will say it and then have him open the cards and let us see. I don't need an edit. I don't need you to put the their pictures. I know who the traitors are.
A
Yeah. I've been watching.
B
I don't need to see a Full screen picture of Candace and a screen picture. Right.
A
Rob.
B
I need to see Colton seeing a full screen picture of Candace and a full screen picture of Rob. Just put the camera on them. Okay.
A
Yeah.
B
You're doing too much.
A
Completely agree. So I'm now, like, a Colton truther, and I think that there's something weird going on.
B
Interesting. I'm not convinced yet.
A
You know what? If they continue to make the videos of the future murdered people, like, different. Yeah. Then maybe they're, like, covering their tracks. And maybe I'm not. Not. Maybe I'm not convinced. But if they go back to just doing it the normal way. Shade.
B
Yeah. Those videos are a little, like, kind of a mess. Like, it's a great idea. So I didn't want to knock it, but, like.
A
Oh, you hate them.
B
No, no. The. The execution, like, we never get, like, the facial. Like, we never. They chop it up, too. Yeah, agreed.
A
Like, they're. They're doing too much in the editing bay and they need to just seriously press record.
B
It's true.
A
You're right. You're right.
B
That's how I feel. I'm glad that we're shining light on this issue.
A
Yeah. So by Colton and welcome Dorinda.
B
Welcome Dorinda to the golden life. And I had heard that she was.
A
Shopping and, like, it was gonna be released like a Bluestone Manor type Vanderpump rules type show.
B
Yeah.
A
Which I'm personally not, like, into. I don't think she has, like, what it takes to be a Lisa Vanderpump.
B
No. To be at the helm of the show. I think she's very much like a supporting character. But I also like Bluestone Manor. For me personally, like, never does it. Like, you know, that episode every year was not for me. Like, I watched the episode. I watched it, but they weren't making it for me. There was a. A viewer who it's for.
A
They did an ultimate girls trip at Bluestone Manor. Right. I feel like we've done enough. Yeah. Yeah.
B
I think this is a better.
A
Better fit for Dorinda, except that she doesn't live in Florida. And up until this point, it was, like, kind of organic.
B
Like. Yeah. Now it's just giving teaching TV show. Like, let's come, let's make a scene.
A
And then we'll go rent a fake apartment.
B
Yeah.
A
She's gonna be like, you know, or.
B
Maybe she'll, like, stay with one of the ladies. That would be cute.
A
Oh, actually, that would be cute. She is really friendly with Luanne.
B
Right. And Sonia.
A
Yeah.
B
And didn't who stayed with Sonia Tinsley.
A
That was crazy that she stayed with her.
B
Right.
A
At least it was real.
B
But like why did she stay with her? Why couldn't she just get a place?
A
Because she was like coming back to New York.
B
I'm sorry, that's insane.
A
Yeah, no, I know. She's literally like a wealthy socialite and.
B
She'S gonna live with like her kooky friend.
A
It. That was the best tv. Like but that's it may for maybe like they encourage them to do it because it made. And living in close quarters with Sonia like does make for interesting television.
B
Yeah. But in hindsight like it was not.
A
You're grown ass woman having a sleepover.
B
Yeah. Like she can just get. It's really easy to rent a place in New York. Short term, long term hotel, whatever you need.
A
Stay with maybe like a family member. I don't know.
B
Are you ready for our next story?
A
Except have a sip of your water.
B
Oh, you're loving my water today.
A
Yeah, she's gonna finish like most of it so that she gives it to me and she wants to touch my lips.
B
I would like to have a sip. But like not the one like immediately after like.
A
Are you gonna be drinking this again or is it mine now?
B
No, no, I'll be drinking it again.
A
I have to. Waterfall.
B
I've been having a lot of headaches, thanks for asking. So I've been having electrolytes. It really helps.
A
Okay. So.
B
So yeah, take a small sip because now you hear what I.
A
Small sip for turd. Kind of.
B
It's giving like another product placement ad. But it's not, it's not.
A
This is not an advertisement.
B
She was just thirsty even though she has a water over there. But she.
A
Yeah, but yours has electrolytes in it. Yeah, yeah, it slept a little funky on my arm. I'm having a tough time.
B
Oh no.
A
Yeah.
B
What happened? I'm not sure.
A
I just think like my big body was like on my arm all night and now I'm in pain.
B
I'm sorry.
A
Except like slay mama had a 96 sleep score. Like how many mamas of an 8 month old do you know that has a 96? I know two days in a row.
B
That's insane.
A
Yeah, that's my boy right there.
B
King Rue.
A
And if you've ever wondered like should I sleep train? Just look at my sleep score. Like. Yeah, no, we have different.
B
Actually the thing is I. You can't put me in a box. I am a sleep trainer and a co sleeper.
A
But like I feel like when it comes to parenting, like we, we do like most of the same stuff. I follow basically a lot of what you do, but I just like draw the line at like not sleeping through the night. So I did do sleep training but it's.
B
You're just blinded by your own experience that it went so successfully.
A
The sleep training.
B
Yeah. And that Rue was just a great sleeper. Yeah.
A
Okay, so you're saying you had a.
B
Bad experience with sleep training. No, I just not really successful like you know what I mean? But I am. But I, I endorse both. I know like they. These two communities at war. I can bring everyone together because I do both.
A
I'm not at war. I just like, like mine better.
B
Like no, but like people who. It's like co sleeping, the sleep training.
A
You know, and like if you're a co sleeper, you think sleep training is evil. If you're a sleep trainer, you think co sleeping is dangerous. Like. Yeah, they judge each other. I don't judge. I don't judge anyone.
B
No. And like I. We can hold space for two things. Cuz I endorse both. There's a different time for different things. Yeah.
A
So all that to say 96 sleep score. Yeah.
B
But I just feel like Ruby's the sort of. Even if you didn't sleep train him, he wouldn't be sleeping through the night. Cuz he's just like a king. Like that King R. Yeah, that is true. You know.
A
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B
Are you ready for our fourth story?
A
I am.
B
Artists are joining Chapel Roan and exiting the Wasserman agency. So fallout over the federal government's files on convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein continues in Hollywood after the CEO of a major talent agency was named. In a recently released batch of documents, several musical artists have cut ties with sports and entertainment talent agency Wasserman after the files showed that its CEO Casey Wasserman corresponded with Epstein's co conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell in the early 2000s. After singer Bethany Constantino published a letter on February 5 demanding Wasserman's resignation, several other high profile artists including chaperone, announced that they have cut ties with the agency.
A
So Wasserman actually Ben even knew what this was. It's a huge, huge sports agency. Like that's how they got there, like.
B
And Chapel Ron is with the sports agency.
A
Well it's now it's a full fledged agency but like they're really known for athletes. So I saw it because Abby Wambach, former soccer player yeah, that's where I.
B
First saw it, too.
A
She posted on her Instagram, like, I'm out. I don't mess with this. And then I heard that also Chapel Roan did it. But shout out to that girl, Bethany, I just want to say, because I saw her statement, she's like a very small artist. I saw that she posted a statement last, like, a week ago. And she's someone who has, like, a lot to lose. Like, you need a good agent, like Abby W. Back Chapel Run. They will find another agent. It's still really commendable that they did it. But, like, shout out to that girl who did it first. And she has so much to lose. And, like, she's obviously a scrupled person. So this is so crazy. I was not familiar at all with, like, Wasserman Agency or the Wasserman behind Wasserman. And so he's this, like, mega businessman. He's also the chairman of the LA Olympics.
B
I know. I had seen that the chairman of the LA Olympics was implicated in the Epstein file.
A
And there's been a lot of calls to have him resign from his agency. Have him resign from the Olympics now. It's his agency. He doesn't have to leave if he doesn't want to. But the Olympics, like, that's like our thing. Like, it's a collective.
B
Yeah, should be able to fire him. But for his part, he put out a statement saying he did. I deeply regret my correspondence with Ghislaine Maxwell, which took place over two decades ago, long before her horrific crimes came to light, he said, adding that, as is well documented, I went on a humanitarian trip as part of a delegation with the Clinton foundation in 2002 on the Epstein.
A
He's throwing everyone under the bus with him. Like, it's not. The Clintons are there.
B
It's not getting better.
A
No, I know.
B
He said, I am terribly sorry for having any association with either of them. He is also a trustee of the Clinton foundation and the Chairman of the 2028 LA Olympic Games Organizing Committee. Several LA City Council members have called on him to resign from the Post. The LA Times reported earlier this month about that. And he has not been charged in any criminal cases against Epstein and Maxwell.
A
Well, so I want to say his particular emails, like, are there are people's emails who are very incriminated.
B
That doctor that you were telling me.
A
About, not only the doctor from ucla, but also, like, I feel like a good example is Peter Thomas Roth. Oh, sorry, you're talking about Dr. Atia. Oh, his was worse. Peter Thomas Roth, he was like, emailing Jeffrey. Like, he came over to his house to give the girls, like, a skin care tutorial. And he's released a statement and it's his company too. Like, one thing. I mean, I'll never buy a Peter. Peter Thomas Roth product ever again. And like, I have in the past. So I think some emails are much more incriminating than others. Wasserman's, like, they don't say any crimes or whatever, but, like, I'm with. Like, if I have an agent who's like, I want no part of it not to say that he's 100% guilty.
B
But I have to read the emails because there is like a big birth. I know in between people who's like, who corresponded who. Who are wrapped up in this world versus, like, the people who did the things and also facilitated the things.
A
And the thing for Casey Wasserman is that there's this photo flying around of him, Ghislaine and Jeffrey standing in front of a private airplane, which obviously is giving island, but it is the humanitarian trip that they took with the Clinton Foundation. That's what he's talking about.
B
Yeah. And I'm also looking at a picture of him, Bill Clinton, Ghislaine, Jeffrey, let me say.
A
Oh, just like a social photo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's not like there are some people whose emails, like, it is like, thanks for the pizza last night. Like, yeah, there are some people whose emails are full convictions and there are some that could be explained otherwise. I would put Casey Wasserman in that category. But, you know, if I'm a client, like, I'm not interested really in being a part of that. Like, it's too close. That's the same with, like, Carol girl. She's like, a lot of correspondences with Glain during, like, similar time. And like, very. They were like, love you, my love. Like, not like sexy, but like, my friend.
B
I love you.
A
Yeah. I wonder if. I don't know if Carol has spoken about it. Like, a lot of people have come right out being like, I know my name's in there. Like, I didn't do anything freaky. Like, it's just unfortunate. Some of the things I do believe, like, really can be explained away. This is a person who was like, deeply embedded in society. And so if you were a person in society, like, you might be in there and it might, Might. Excuse me, Might be nothing just because you're in there. I don't believe, like, you're a pedophile, but there are a lot of Pedophiles in there too.
B
And there are a lot of people whose names come up again and again and again and again.
A
Yeah, yeah.
B
And if you're on the plane and.
A
Apparently it was this, like, open secret. Oh, another Bravo person who was named in the files is Leah Black from Real Housewives of Miami. And she's. Hers is really bad because her husband. Her husband was Jeffrey's lawyer. A lot of people don't know, but after 2008, he was a registered sex offender because he had. Had been committed, accused of a bunch of crimes. Leah's husband, Roy Black, very famous lawyer, was his lawyer, got him off on a bunch of the charges. But he did have to register as a sex offender. So if you're doing anything after 2008, like, and you're friendly with a sex offender, like, that's questionable.
B
Roy Black has since passed.
A
Yes. Just worth mentioning.
B
Oh, yeah. No, but he's old.
A
Yeah.
B
Like, no, I just meant to say, like, there's not going to be like a cat, like, follow up question.
A
Right. His. His firm is not going to be like, denouncing him.
B
Yeah.
A
You know he's dead. Yeah. And this went on for so long, so many people involved, like, are dead, either in a suspicious manner or just because, like, these were a bunch of old freaky men.
B
Yeah. But there are a couple of, like, big obvious names.
A
Les Wexner.
B
Les Wexner. The bills.
A
Yeah.
B
Casey Wasserman seems to be a part of, like, that crew.
A
Right.
B
Well, actually not as much as those. Those.
A
No. Because there are. And then there aren't that many emails from Casey Wasserman. I just think it's like a big Hollywood name. So a lot of people are talking about it. There's also like, this guy who runs all the ports in Dubai who was like a big client, but, like, nobody knows him, so nobody cares.
B
Yeah. Yeah. I saw a list of, like, here are the five people that are, like, the worst. You didn't know any of them? I only knew Les Wexner. Yeah.
A
The other Wexner from the documentary, Rich.
B
That's so true.
A
Yeah. He's not even like a famous person. Like, yeah, he started, I think, like Victoria's Secret or whatever in hindsight, like.
B
Oh, did he start it or he owns it now?
A
He's been there for a while. He might be one of the starters.
B
But the other four names I never heard of.
A
Yeah.
B
When it was like, these are the worst of the worst. Right.
A
So it's mostly like politicians, businessmen, whom, like, whose names, like, I don't have their posters on my wall, you know, I don't know them. And there's so many documents, even though I saw some. First of all, so much is redacted that like the really, like, I think stuff that would shock people. There have been rumors about a lot of these people for a long time. I think the stuff that would really shock people, like, has been redacted to protect, like, I don't know who. It's really annoying. And also so, like, I saw someone say like the stuff that they're releasing, like, it's so hard not to be like a crazy conspiracy theorist because the stuff that they're releasing is not like that crazy and it's not going to shock you that much. And like it's hiding, you know, it's to distract the public from. I don't know. Sometimes I get a little too deep on the Epstein. But like, it makes you crazy. Like a lot of the stuff that people thought was crazy, like, no, it's like, it's worse. Pizza.
B
Yeah.
A
And also there's also so much AI stuff about the Epcot that like, I hope I'm not falling for it.
B
Yeah, man. Yeah. And I feel like there were so many files. They all came out in like this like very disorganized dump.
A
Yes. You're still being uncovered.
B
Yes.
A
There are definitely people in there that we haven't even found yet. And like they're just praying in their homes right now that nobody finds their emails.
B
Yeah. I feel like that's what Casey Wasserman has been doing for the last few years.
A
Yes.
B
And living.
A
But it's important. Casey Wasserman does not have that many emails. I just want to see say they're definitely. He definitely runs in a freaky circle of people and you are who you associate with. But in terms of like.
B
So the Clinton foundation went on a humanitarian mission on Jeffrey Epstein's plane.
A
Was it his plane?
B
You said it was in front of a plane. A plane like you take, not his plane.
A
It didn't look like the Lolita Express. It looked like kind of like a safari like plane.
B
Oh, okay.
A
Yeah.
B
Okay. But Jeffrey was on the trip because he's a humanitarian.
A
And then I get the vibe he was passionate about giving back. So.
B
Yeah. Okay. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? A little Olympics drama.
A
Okay.
B
The team Canada men's hockey team will stay at a five star hotel instead of the Olympic Village. They say we want to win gold.
A
Listen, you're. Don't. Don't let me get in your way. Like I agree. I know, like, staying in the Olympic Village is, like, camaraderie, but, like, these are big, burly men sleeping on cardboard beds.
B
No. And, like, men's ice hockey is Team Canada's best chance at gold. Like, historically.
A
Yeah.
B
It's kind of like the US Basketball team.
A
Yep.
B
Do they stay at the Olympic Village? There's no way.
A
LeBron, by the way, I'm having deja vu. We have this conversation every year about LeBron staying in the Olympic Village.
B
And I do think they get an excuse because they're too big for the facilities, they're too tall for the beds. They're, like, very small. So they can say, like, we don't fit. But LeBron's not staying at the Olympic Village. Yeah. The thing is.
A
And this is a conversation that gets had every year, and I don't know why, like, the Olympic committee just, like, won't invest in queen size beds, like, twin mattresses.
B
Literally triple the budget of the village.
A
It's the biggest thing in the world.
B
They have budgets, thousands of athletes, and.
A
They deserve a bed. Like, it's absurd. College kids live better than the Olympic athletes.
B
It's absurd. Well, no, you could have, like, a nice Olympic village and.
A
But the beds are notoriously made of cardboard board.
B
It depends where.
A
I think a lot of, like, the javelin throwers are above the weight limit.
B
And they probably get special accommodations.
A
And I just want to say, slay Team Canada.
B
Yeah, I want to say that as well. Especially, like, they are the NBA players of the North.
A
I didn't realize it, like, oh, you know, I have to check every couple of days. I'm obsessed with, like, the metal counter. Like, where are we at right now?
B
And are we. Are we in a good place?
A
So the US Is not amazing at the Winter Olympics. Like, we are. We sled. Even though, like, in the last couple of years, like, China has really been like.
B
But also, don't we send the most amount of Olympians to the.
A
Yeah. And I thought about something that you said the other day, because I was literally watching some sport and the person was like, a Floridian competing for, like, Finland or whatever because they had, like, a finish. And Jackie said, because, like, it's. I don't know if you said on the podcast or in person, but, like, the Olympics is just, like, Americans battling other Americans. Like, we are. We take over every country. Like, like, if you don't make it in Team usa, you have, like, a grandparent who's German and you go to Germany. Like, it's just Americans, like, messing around with each other.
B
Yeah. When I was watching the opening ceremony, there was, like, place all of these, like, countries from across the globe. And then they're. They have, like, one or two athletes, and they're introducing the athlete who's, like, from playing for somewhere in, like, the Middle East. They're like. And he's from the University of Utah.
A
So do you want who has the most gold medals or the most medals?
B
Both. Can I. Both.
A
So gold medals is Norway.
B
How many?
A
Seven.
B
Oh, it's early days.
A
Overall, Italy has the most medals with 14, which just feels convenient. Rigged. Like they're. Yeah, rigged. That's weird. And then in second place, with the most amount of medals is Norway in the U.S. with 13. The U.S. has four gold medals. Norway has seven. Italy has five. So it's Norway. Italy in the U.S. where's China? Norway. China is, like, flop central. Zero gold medals and three medals total. Maybe they also thrive during the.
B
How many athletes did Norway send to the Olympics? Olympics, like, the US Was the biggest delegation.
A
So how many athletes did Norway send to the Olympics?
B
Percentage wise, I think Norway is really slaying.
A
80.
B
We sent, like, 200.
A
And that doesn't count Americans playing for other countries.
B
Well, yeah, like, when you're, like, literally, like, speed skating and there's your teammate from ucla.
A
Yeah.
B
Across the bench.
A
I was also. Oh, I remember. Remember, it was. I was watching snowboarding, and there was this female snowboarder who was, I believe, competing on behalf of China. She was the prettiest girl I've ever seen in my life. Like, I would say the prettiest girl that I, like, would think right now is probably Haley Bieber. This girl was prettier than Haley Bieber. I've never seen somebody not a stitch of makeup.
B
She's competing for China.
A
She lives in California. Like, that's what it was reminding me of. But she's also 17. Like, girl, girl. Just write girl. She was so cool, too, you know, like snowboarding shreds.
B
Yeah.
A
Do you see her?
B
Eileen.
A
I don't remember or I'll find it.
B
She didn't fall. That's.
A
I mean. Oh, that's the other thing. In snowboarding, everyone falls.
B
Oh, they do?
A
Yeah. Like two out of three times.
B
Shred in the gnar. I mean, everything is just about this girl.
A
Oh, yeah, Eileen goo. Okay.
B
Eileen goo. Like, me.
A
Pull her up. Oh, no. Yeah. Eileen goo. Yeah.
B
Here's her Instagram.
A
Chinese Americans are obsessed. They're saying, like, you're. Look at this girl. Not. Not a stitch of makeup. Look at her.
B
Oh, wow.
A
She's extraordinary looking. And she's also American, but also Chinese.
B
Yeah.
A
Sorry, what was the story?
B
The men's team staying in a five star hotel. I'm all for kings.
A
And maybe it's time for, like, how the White Lotus partners with the Four Seasons. Like the Olympics. Need to partner with Marriott or something. Like, just take over a couple of hotels.
B
I wonder why they don't do that.
A
And there are so many corporate sponsors for the Olympics that like Marriott, Amex.
B
Yeah. Why not have, like a bit. They should do it at Disney, you know, and take over the resorts.
A
Great idea. And there are Disney's all over the world.
B
Yeah. But also, even when they go to la, like, there's so many hotels in la, they're going to build a village.
A
People are really worried, actually about la, like, not being able to build the infrastructure for the Olympics, like after rebuilding from the fires. And, like, things are really not going well. It's actually one of Spencer Pratt's, like, campaign things and people are saying that LA should pass it off.
B
I. I didn't know that was happening.
A
Yeah, I think it's like a drama.
B
Like, I think it'll be fine. I think if they've done it in.
A
No, but also, like, the way the bar is very low for, like, the Olympics. Like Sochi. Remember all the drama, like the Olympians. Like, like sleeping in mold or whatever. Like, we just figure it out.
B
No, and like go to the Marriott.
A
And they have a lot of, I think they athletes. I mean, they have a lot of, like, stadiums. They have Sofi, they have the Rose bowl, they have Staples Center. Like, they have a lot of stuff already.
B
I think they had, like, really grand ideas for the Olympics. I remember, I think we even reported on it, that it was going to be like a totally walkable Olympics. Like, there would be no cars. Like, I love that they were going to build, like a little city. And maybe they can't do that, but they could certainly put on an Olympics. Yeah.
A
Even the Summer Olympics are like. Actually, I feel like it's probably harder to prepare. And when I think of all the drama, I think it's always the Winter Olympics because, like, the snow is fake sometimes.
B
It's always enough snow.
A
Icy. Yeah. Yeah. But I've actually heard that the snow in Milan, Cortina is amazing.
B
And so the Cortina snow, because it's.
A
A real resort ski town.
B
Yeah.
A
So they didn't have to build anything fake.
B
And that would be great for Cortina because I never heard of Cortina. As. Like a. As a destiny. Not that I hear of, you know, but I've heard of Courcheval.
A
Yeah, of course. Geneva.
B
I think Cortina is up there.
A
I think it'll be huge for the resorts. I don't know if we had this conversation IRL or on the toast, but when they kept calling it Milan Cortina, I thought it was like, like. Like a fancy way of saying Milan Olympics.
B
Or like, I told you, I thought it was like the second half, like. Like Miami Dade.
A
Yeah. Oh, yeah, you can say that. Yeah.
B
Or like, I thought it was like the Miami Dade Olympics. Yeah.
A
No, Milan Cortina. I'm like, oh, I'm learning so much Italian.
B
I love watching the Cortinas.
A
But Cortina is like a village, like.
B
A ski village there. And, you know, they do this for the Summer Olympics, too, where there are outposts of other sports taking place. Like, they were in French Polynesia doing the surfing during the Summer Olympics. Olympics while they were taking place in France.
A
But I don't think they'll have to do that in, like, Malibu is, like, peak.
B
Oh. Will there be any sports where they have to off.
A
California kind of has everything. They've got skiing and Big Bear.
B
Yeah, they do have. They do have surfing.
A
Yeah.
B
They couldn't go to Hawaii.
A
Yeah. But it's not California. I guess it's just us.
B
It's us. Just like Milan Cortina, Italy.
A
You know what? They really should, but the next time they have it in the US they should have it all over.
B
Okay, wait, I was talking about this with Olivia, but I want to get your take, because when I was watching Milan Cortina opening ceremony, I realized, like, it's so much about Italy. Yes. They focus on Milano a little bit, but it's celebrating. Just like the Paris Olympics were celebrating France.
A
Yeah.
B
And so the LA Olympics should be. Even though there's, like, so much lore in L. A, it should be about.
A
The US Because LA is not hosting the Olympics. America is.
B
Right. And we have decided to place it in Los Angeles. But we are. America is the country.
A
Yeah.
B
It's not about a host city. It's about a host country.
A
Anything when, like, the other people say that they're going to the Olympics or say they go to the US Not L. A. Like. Like.
B
So a couple things to think about.
A
You take place all over.
B
A couple things.
A
Surfing in Malibu, skiing in Denver. Like, they should take over the whole country.
B
A couple things to think about, though, because just like Andrea Pucelli, like, is the premier Italian Artist. When you're doing an Italian opening ceremony.
A
Who? Taylor Swift?
B
No, but it's not. You have to think about, like, the US At a glance. And, like, for everyone, like, who do you think are the artists that you're perform at the opening ceremony? And I literally said, not Taylor Swift and Beyonce. That's who you think of when you think of the biggest.
A
But, like, no, I literally think of Taylor Swift. When you think about her tour, she's the biggest global touring artist at the moment.
B
But you have to think, like, throughout.
A
History and for a while. And she will be for a while. She's not like, a flash in the pan.
B
No, no, no, no, no. But, like, for the older people, like.
A
No, Taylor Swift is eternal. It's obviously Taylor Swift. I don't think she'll do it. She absolutely should. But let me think, who else?
B
Because I was thinking a lot of the people I was thinking of have since passed. But think about it this way. Like, Whitney Houston passed.
A
Is Madonna American?
B
She British? I don't know, but I don't think she's right for the job. Michael Jackson, like, dead.
A
Thanks.
B
Yeah, no, I'm going with the. The dead people first, just so you can then think of the living.
A
And I still say Taylor Swift.
B
Elvis Presley.
A
Okay.
B
And then who. Who did we wind up saying? Like, when you think of America, like, Dolly Parton. She's gonna be at the opening ceremony.
A
Sure.
B
Bruce Springsteen.
A
Oh, yeah. But he's not known globally, just so you know. Yeah, he might be, like, known.
B
Olivia said Billy Joel. And then I was Olivia answer.
A
And it's a good one.
B
And then I was saying the opening ceremony should be a journey through the US where they, like, stop at different places and they, like. Oh, I'm sorry.
A
I know, Kelly.
B
That's what the commenters were saying.
A
No, I stand by Taylor. Well, I think when I literally think this is gonna be the craziest thing I've ever said. Taylor Swift is to the US What Andrea Bocelli is to Italia. Okay, yeah, I said Italia.
B
I thought you said Italian.
A
I was going to, and I fucked up the word. It's. Yeah, Taylor.
B
No, it's honestly such a fun job to have, and Casey Wasserman does not deserve it.
A
Like, I think he's coming at it from, like, a sports perspective. But I agree, whoever's in charge of entertainment, like, hire us or, like, a.
B
Consultant, they need to have the Rockettes.
A
Like, all the things, like, all the arts that America's really, like, known for. Yeah. Taylor Swift. The Rockettes. I just Broke the microphone and like.
B
A journey through the U.S. like, what they're doing with the Housewives for the 20th anniversary road trip they should do for the opening ceremony.
A
The Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders, the dcc. I'm trying to think of, like, I'm taking a road trip.
B
Yeah, yeah. We had. It was a really fun conversation.
A
We've got a lot going on.
B
We do. And I hope that.
A
I love the Olympics.
B
I know. And I don't want to, like, not be present. I know you have right now, but, like.
A
But you're so subpar. The Winter Olympics. I still like them, but.
B
But no. And also, Italy's doing, like, a really amazing job. Like, really. The opening ceremony was so beautiful.
A
I know. And I feel like, like, we're always clowning. So when it's good, we have to say it's good. The France opening ceremony was such a show.
B
Remember, I was thinking about how they had the teams, like, go on boats down the Seine. Terrible. That was insane. And like, some build set and, like, some teams had to, like, share boats because they had a couple delegates.
A
So wrong.
B
So it was just.
A
They tried to be different. Like, everybody does it in an arena.
B
Oh, yeah.
A
Everybody does it in an arena.
B
And the can. Can dancers on the bank of the scent who couldn't. Can. Can. Because it was raining.
A
Yeah. And they were, like slipping all.
B
So they were just, like, marking it and we were supposed to be like, that's amazing.
A
Yeah. It was really bad. And it's interesting that they had Mariah Carey.
B
I thought that was so interesting.
A
I'm an American. I'm not mad. But she is American.
B
No. And she sounded amazing, but I feel.
A
Like she could have done it at.
B
The U.S. no, but I feel like she doesn't sing anymore. Like, she had the New Year's disaster and it's like, does she even sing anymore? Right, but we know that, like, she once had the most amazing voice. But, like, does she sing still? And she does. She sang at the Olympics.
A
I believe she does.
B
I don't think it was pre recorded because if you're going to do that, you could get anyone to sing. It's not like, oh, they also had.
A
Lady Gaga in France. The Americans are everywhere. It's literally like the Olympics. Like, we're everywhere.
B
And Celine Dion. French Canadian.
A
Yeah. We unfortunately can't claim Celine Dion.
B
No. Yeah. So she won't be at that. American. Maybe Ariana Grande.
A
I guess you can also think about, like, who's done a Super Bowl. That's like a good marker for who.
B
Might do that, but it's not always.
A
Oh, sorry, Bruno Mars. There we go.
B
Bruno Mars.
A
It's done.
B
Fixed it.
A
Yeah. Bruno Mars.
B
We fixed it for you.
A
Let him host the whole thing. He's got personality.
B
And pay him, the hooligans. Pay him enough.
A
Free him from the shackles of MGM Grand.
B
Yeah.
A
Okay. Well, that's our show.
B
Except when they did the. The transfer from Paris to the US it was Tom Cruise. Oh. And this is what I said. Olivia, Billie Eilish and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Remember that?
A
I do remember that. And that's in the past.
B
No, no, I'm sorry. That's like.
A
Let's just look forward. Tom Cruise was a good choice. Like, as much as we think he's like, a weenie. He is globally known. I know you're obsessed with Tom Cruise. We. He is globally known. He's like the American movie star, like, very pretty.
B
Globally known.
A
Yeah. Taylor Swift. I don't know why you're, like, not seeing him.
B
I. Claudia, you don't have to tell me. You have to tell Casey Wasserman.
A
I got a lot of things I gotta tell Casey Wasserman.
B
Okay.
A
That's our show, y'.
B
All. Yeah.
A
I said y' all Italiana, y'.
B
All.
A
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B
I will.
A
Love you.
B
Tonight's Traders.
A
Yeah. Tray is Troll Away Vote. That's my new vocal stem. Like, nobody throw away Vote.
B
Is that sound going viral or like.
A
No, no. I just saw somebody on Twitter right out of nowhere in all caps, and they spelled it so crazy. T, R, O, Y. Troy. I don't know. And I was like, what does that say? And then I realized it said troll away.
B
Bo.
A
I'm obsessed with how Mauritox. Traitor.
B
Yeah, he a traitor.
A
Yeah.
B
So that will be tomorrow.
A
Love ya.
B
Love ya. Bye.
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Podcast: The Toast
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A lively catch-up on pop culture, Olympic drama, celebrity headlines, and internet rabbit holes, with the sisters' signature banter and hot takes. This episode weaves the excitement of the Winter Olympics with conversations about celebrity deaths, scandals in Hollywood, beauty trends, and upcoming reality TV shake-ups.
This episode of The Toast is all about the intersection of pop culture and current events, with a special focus on Winter Olympic coverage, notable celebrity news (including the passing of James Van Der Beek), the fallout from the Epstein files in Hollywood, and the fun, sometimes bizarre details of beauty and influencer culture. Jackie and Claudia bring their trademark humor, deep pop knowledge, and sisterly debate to discuss both the silly and the serious.
The sisters open with classic weekday confusion, debating whether to "take off" more days in honor of Presidents’ Day.
Jackie claims family credit for introducing Kacey Musgraves and Luke Combs to the group. Claudia disputes the Luke Combs point.
“I will take credit. And I know you're going to argue with me on this, but historically, I introduced everyone to Kacey Musgraves when Merry Go Round came out.” – Jackie (01:51)
Lighthearted debate over whether Luke Combs counts as a redhead, leading to a running joke about the “redhead community council” deciding membership.
“This is my community, and, like, I think I speak for everyone. … I would love, like, if he wants to be considered a redhead, like, I would let him in. No problem.” – Claudia (04:01)
“With Gold Bond, it actually lasts… you don’t have to be constantly reapplying. That’s why people fall off their moisture game.” – Jackie (14:26)
“I just want to say that's you. Switzerland ate down with that neutrality thing. Like... Sometimes you just don't want to get involved.” – Jackie (08:22)
Claudia dives down the "Casey Wasserman thing" and the broader context of celebrities' names appearing in the Epstein files.
Dissects which Bravolebrities are named and to what extent—most seem benign, but Annabelle from Ladies of London and Carole Radziwill mentioned as more concerning.
“Her emails were bad.” – Claudia (10:12)
Discussion of major fallout at Wasserman Agency (00:44:13+).
“So this is so crazy. I was not familiar at all with, like, Wasserman Agency… he’s also the chairman of the LA Olympics.” – Jackie (45:50)
Nuanced debate: reading between lines on who might be guilty vs. “guilt by association” in circles where Epstein and Maxwell operated.
“Some emails are much more incriminating than others. Wasserman’s, like, they don’t say any crimes or whatever, but, like, I’m with—if I have an agent who’s like, I want no part of it…” – Claudia (47:27)
Breaking news and reaction to actor James Van Der Beek’s death (colorectal cancer at 48).
“[It’s] so sad. I don’t know… that’s not how I came to James Van Der Beek. I came to him from Don’t Trust the B in Apartment 23.” – Jackie (20:07)
Anecdote about seeing him in LA; kudos for the GoFundMe supporting his family.
Discussion on how residuals aren’t what people expect for actors from “syndicated” shows.
Kylie Jenner featured as the new face for Skims—the sisters analyze what’s behind Kylie “showing up for work.”
“Now she’s done two [family brand campaigns]. Maybe she wants another plane… maybe she needs them to, like, watch her kids.” – Claudia (23:37)
Viral moment: influencer Mikayla Nogueira’s wild overshare in an ad for Lemmy’s “Purr” gummies (25:06–26:47).
“No amount of money would make me say this.” – Claudia, reading TikTok comments (26:13)
Rumor mill: Khloé’s involvement with Good American appears to be over, with the sisters sleuthing through influencer TikToks for clues.
Men’s Canadian hockey team opts for a five-star hotel instead of the Olympic Village, sparking a debate about athlete treatment.
Ongoing grievances about the state of Olympic athlete accommodations:
“It’s absurd. College kids live better than Olympic athletes.” – Jackie (54:01)
Deep dive into Olympic medal tallies and why it seems “Americans are everywhere,” even on other countries’ rosters due to dual citizenship.
Analysis of how Olympics opening ceremonies should reflect not just city but national character.
Fun, speculative brainstorm: who should headline the LA Olympics 2028 opening ceremony?
“Taylor Swift is to the US what Andrea Bocelli is to Italia.” – Claudia (62:46)
Criticism of past opening ceremonies (notably Paris/Seine river “boat debacle,” and why American ceremony will need to showcase true national icons).
The sisters deliver their takes in their trademark blend of playful irreverence, genuine warmth, and astute culture commentary, bouncing between personal anecdotes, sharp pop culture analysis, and inside jokes. The conversational style keeps things flowing even as topics shift rapidly from the serious to the silly.
This episode exemplifies what makes The Toast a cult favorite: maximal pop culture knowledge, breezy but informed takes on thorny issues, sibling energy, and a love for everyday drama—big and small—across the worlds of entertainment, wellness, and real life.
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