I've Got Beef Between My Teeth: Thursday, November 14th, 2024

Summary

The Toast: "I've Got Beef Between My Teeth" – Thursday, November 14th, 2024

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry | Description: Take a bite out of The Toast, weekdays with Jackie & Claudia Oshry.

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1. Personal Updates and Projects

Merch Launch Success
Jackie excitedly shares, “[00:20]... the latter half vibes merch is out. We actually slayed this collection because we made enough merch to wear every day of the week” (00:20).

Glee Podcast Achievement
Claudia proudly announces her appearance on the official Glee podcast: “…I went on the Glee podcast officially... we just talked a lot about... my POV, like, my experience watching Glee” (02:08). She discusses navigating the interview, especially addressing past comments about Artie, ensuring a smooth conversation without offending fellow hosts (02:11).

Book Discussion: Frida and Authorship Concerns
Jackie reveals her frustration with the Frida book series, suspecting that the original author may have been usurped: “I think someone wrote under her name... it was not Frida Rita” (02:40). Claudia echoes these sentiments, highlighting the pressure Frida faces with her Amazon contracts, leading to potential outsourcing issues (02:55).

2. TV Show Reviews

Outer Banks Breakdown
Claudia delves into the latest season of Outer Banks, critiquing its unrealistic plot developments: “…they take a boat from South Carolina to Morocco... it's too unbelievable for me” (04:18). They discuss financial mismanagement depicted in the show, comparing it to real-life financial literacy and stability: “…priority of mine is like financial stability and financial literacy” (05:05).

Riverdale Comparison
Mentioning Riverdale, Jackie remarks, “It's Riverdale, but I love that Riverdale by the sea” (09:17), highlighting similarities in fantastical storytelling and the need to suspend disbelief.

3. Cooking Adventures

Steak Mishap
Claudia recounts a failed attempt at cooking rib eyes: “I just wanted a good dinner... it just tastes, like, a little bland” (13:00). She humorously criticizes Ben for forgetting to season the steaks, leading to an unimpressive meal (14:02).

Hamburger Meatballs Success
Jackie shares her success in making hamburger meatballs, emphasizing the importance of seasoning and presentation: “A girl can't make a hamburger. It just can't be done” (15:16). The duo exchanges playful banter about their cooking skills and preferences.

4. Industry News and Gossip

Hoda's Replacement on Today Show
In a significant update, it's revealed that Craig Melvin will take over for Hoda Koppar on the Today show starting January 10th: “Craig Melvin is the new anchor of the Today Show” (24:01). They discuss Jenna’s new segment, Jenna and Friends, where she will date different co-hosts until finding the right fit, expressing skepticism about the prolonged transition period: “I hate this. I can't lie” (25:18).

Teddy Mellencamp's Alleged Affair
The hosts cover the scandal involving Teddy Mellencamp allegedly cheating on her husband Edwin with her married horse trainer, Simon Schroeder: “Teddy Mellencamp cheated on her husband with a married friend” (30:20). They dissect the timeline inconsistencies and the implications of filing for divorce amidst ongoing relationships: “[32:16] She filed for divorce on November 1 and listed the date of separation as October 20, even though they were packing on the PDA at a charity event four days later” (32:16).

Deborah Lee Furness Reacts to Hugh Jackman's Alleged Affair
Jackie and Claudia discuss Deborah Lee Furness’s subtle reactions to rumors of Hugh Jackman's affair with Sutton Foster: “Deb liked a post from her private Instagram account claiming that Jackman had blindsided Deb” (36:00). They explore the complexities of defining an affair versus a post-divorce relationship, emphasizing the blurred lines and personal truths involved: “I agree. And I'm choosing to believe that, of course, this wasn't the ideal situation” (39:42).

Celebrity Dating a Reality Star: Mod Sun and Brittany Wisniewski
The episode highlights the budding relationship between musician Mod Sun and Love is Blind star Brittany Wisniewski: “They first connected on November 3rd at his concert... they are seen getting handsy while dancing to 'Party in the USA'” (55:23). The hosts humorously critique the pairing, questioning its authenticity and relevance in today’s celebrity landscape: “It's just a really, I think like ordering in is not economical” (57:05).

5. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, Jackie and Claudia reflect on the stories discussed, emphasizing the blend of personal anecdotes with industry gossip. They encourage listeners to engage with the topics and share their thoughts: “Feel free to sound off in the comments any other situations where cheating just felt like it had to be done” (42:13).

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Notable Quotes

• Claudia on Merch Success:
  “We actually slayed this collection because we made enough merch to wear every day of the week.” (00:20)

• Claudia on the Glee Podcast:
  “It was really good. I'm excited for my fellow Gleeks to hear it.” (02:37)

• Jackie on Financial Priorities:
  “My priority of mine is like financial stability and financial literacy.” (05:05)

• Claudia on Hoda’s Replacement:
  “I hate this. I can't lie.” (25:18)

• Claudia on Teddy Mellencamp's Scandal:
  “Justice for Edwin, not us all dragging his name through the mud, like, with literally no proof.” (31:57)

• Claudia on Sydney Sweeney’s Industry Critique:
  “It's very reckless to not.” (38:46)

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Timestamp Guide

• Personal Updates and Projects: 00:01 - 04:18
• TV Show Reviews: 04:18 - 09:23
• Cooking Adventures: 13:00 - 17:07
• Industry News and Gossip: 24:01 - 62:55
• Conclusion and Final Thoughts: 62:55 - 63:09

(Note: Timestamps are indicative and correspond to segments within the episode.)

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Disclaimer: This summary is intended to provide an overview of the podcast episode "I've Got Beef Between My Teeth." For a complete understanding and full context, listening to the episode is recommended.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, Millennials.

[B]

Welcome back to the toast and happy Thursday. A really relaxing sort of day. Although it should be Friday, so I'm feeling like the theme of today's episode is injustice.

[A]

Isn't that the theme of every episode? Letter?

[B]

So true. When you have a chip on your shoulder, like we do, every day is like injustice day.

[A]

It's true. But it is Thursday, which is exciting. Latter half vibes merch is out. We actually slayed this collection because we made enough. Enough merch to wear every day of the week. Because tomorrow I can still wear the girl toasty tea. Yeah, today I'm wearing my girly swirly university set. Yeah, I graduated from gsu.

[B]

Whoa. I mean, talk about getting an education.

[A]

Talk about a mind.

[B]

Oh, wait. You know what I did yesterday? I didn't even talk to you. We didn't FaceTime yesterday. Once again, been coming between us.

[A]

He was home last night. I could sense it.

[B]

Well, he's not home tonight, so, like, just. Just wait.

[A]

Oh, but I'm not home. Actually, I'm home. I'm home. I have a big. I'm doing something big today.

[B]

What?

[A]

I'll tell you guys all about it tomorrow. You already know our.

[B]

What is Jackie doing today?

[A]

Think about what the PR company. I told you that they reached out.

[B]

Oh, Jackie's a big day. Yeah. Okay, you guys, it's like, literally, like, not even that crazy. It's like. Okay, whatever. Not at all.

[A]

Not at all.

[B]

Well, what I did yesterday was kind of like make a dream come true. And that dream was my own. Add it to the list of dreams we accomplished in the month of November. I went on the Glee podcast officially.

[A]

You did say you were going to do a podcast yesterday, and you couldn't text for an hour. And I didn't even ask which podcast it was.

[B]

Yeah, it was the official glue one. And that's what you really missed on Glee.

[A]

How was it? Was it everything you dreamed of? What episode did you recap?

[B]

It wasn't a recap. It was just, like, interviewing, you know, famous Gleeks. And so we just talked, like, a lot about. Throughout history about, like, my pov, like, my experience watching Glee. And then obviously I was peppering them with questions. They were peppering me with questions. Hosted by Tina and artists Pepper. Yeah. Also known as Jenna and Kevin, but to me, they're Tina and Artie. And I don't know when it's coming out. I think actually soon. It was really good. I'm excited for the. For my fellow Gleeks to hear it.

[A]

That's really exciting. I'm glad they still allowed you on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Despite.

[B]

Despite. Yeah. Well, I actually. I brought up Ben, and so one of the hosts. One of the hosts, Jenna, is a toaster. And so I had a feeling she might have heard what Ben had said about Artie. And I, like, definitely was going in, like, feeling uncomfortable. So I brought it up first because Ben was, like, going on and on about Artie on our Halloween episode, and I'm like, man, you can't just, like, say stuff like that. So I brought it up first just to, like, sort of get it out of the way. And nobody seemed offended. Like, they were. They were cool.

[A]

Phew.

[B]

Huge sigh of relief.

[A]

Major. Oh, I finished my book last night. You guys don't read it. Something happened. Frida. It's not like, I think Frida was usurped. Like, I think someone wrote under her name. Like, it was not Frida. I was a mess.

[B]

I think that Frida is, like, actually under too much pressure. Like, she had too much success too soon. And, you know, she's, like, an official writer of Amazon. Like, she's, like, a kid. She has a big Kindle Unlimited contract, and I think she owes them, like, X amounts of manuscripts per quarter. And I think she's buckling under the pressure of Amazon on, like, I think Jeff Bezos's boot is on her neck. And I think we're seeing that reflected in the work.

[A]

I think Frida could, like, write these books in her sleep. And someone took over Frida's name. Like, maybe. Maybe she even outsourced. Like, okay, they want all these books for me. Like, you know how to write in the Frida style. And, like, maybe for some people, it passed as Frida. It was not a Frida Rita.

[B]

It was not a Frida Rita. And the Frida Rita that I read, that was not a read. It either was called the Co Worker. Okay, so just putting it out there. What was your.

[A]

This one was called the Boyfriend. The boyfriend put it on the list.

[B]

Of, like, Frida books that are not Rita ing in the way that they should.

[A]

Oh, I didn't bring my pad and paper up here.

[B]

What do you mean? You, like, literally just get, like, my pad and paper. Just get a pad and paper and leave it up there.

[A]

I have pads downstairs and papers.

[B]

I finished Outer Banks.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I did our conversation yesterday. Got me talking about it, and Ben has been like, how can me, a Chi Nick, like, want to finish Outer Banks? But no, actually so Outer Banks. He's obsessed with Outer Banks. Like, he loves it, and like, the experience I'm having where it's. Jackie. Like, when I thought it could get any more unrealistic, they take a boat from South Carolina to Morocco. Like. Like, it's so stupid. I actually can't participate.

[A]

But what kind of boat?

[B]

Oh, they steal this, like, fishing boat. Oh. And they get caught. Oh, yeah, they get caught in, like, a crazy storm. They're in the middle of the ocean in Africa. There's a storm a mile ahead, and they drive straight into the storm. Two people fall off the boat, and it's like. It's waves like you would only see in movies. And the whole thing was AI Generated. Like, they made it out alive. Like, boat is intact. Like, it's too. It's too unbelievable for me.

[A]

But Ben is upset, and what was in Morocco?

[B]

The Blue Crown, of course. Oh, God, no, no. Yeah. It's really so silly. Ben is obsessed with it. So, like, I was happy to not finish it. Like, I read a spoiler, I'm like, you know what? It's good enough for me. But Ben was hawking me all night. Like, want to finish Outer Banks? And it's either that or Harry Potter. He wants to watch the next one. Like, I need a serious break from Harry Potter, So I gave him Outer Banks.

[A]

Okay. That is so fair. That is so funny.

[B]

Jackie and I actually, like, the last episode was so long, I fell asleep, like, with 20 minutes left. So Ben was telling me what happened this morning in the last 20 minutes, and his description was so crazy. But I know that that's what happened. I'm like, there's no way all of this happened in 20 minutes.

[A]

Wait, but in the last. The last season that I watched, didn't it end with them finding, like, some sort of treasure? They, like, give some to, like, a museum. They're esteemed in the community.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So do they have money now?

[B]

Oh, well, they did. Yes, they did.

[A]

And what happened to their money?

[B]

They decided to. It was actually. I actually really liked where it was going at first. They were like, listen, we have. It's not. It's not money for life. Between the six of them, I think it was, like, a million dollars or something. And they decided to, like, invest in land, like the house that John B. Owns. And then the house JJ Grew up in was up for sale at foreclosed. Like, it was being foreclosed on. So they wanted to buy it and start a business where, like, people can buy bait from them. They have, like, a little garden, like, and they all going to live on, like, a commune very Much like a kibus. Like, honestly. And when they went to go buy the land that JJ's dad, who's like a fugitive on the run, foreclosed on, someone was also trying to bid it. So it was a property that was worth about like 50, $60,000. They spent $750,000 on it. So, like, they were being stupid from the get go. And then they had like this little bit of money reserved for property taxes. And of course JJ steals it and uses it on some bullshit like he bet on a race or something. Like, so they had tried to be like, smart with the money, but they ended up being dumber than anybody could have been. And it was actually. And I'm somebody, I'm like, priority of mine is like, financial. Like, it's like a. One of my priorities in life is like financial stability and financial literacy and to see. And I'm not reckless with my money. I'm really not. Some people like to watch, like 6 idiots be so reckless. No.

[A]

And it's frustrating that, like, all season, all of the seasons, like, John Jay had this John that they always could go to, and then the second he comes into money, like, oh, we need to pay for the house.

[B]

Yeah. No, and by the way, it's next door to John. So they built this, like, they called it POG land. Yeah. Like, actually, the more I talk about the show, the more embarrassed I am to have watched him. Like, that's how they build this compound. It's like between JJ's house and they build like a clubhouse and all of.

[A]

A sudden they're next door neighbors.

[B]

Yeah, that was a new development that I just sort of went with, like, and for like 20 minutes in episode two, like, they had a thriving business and the people in the community loved it. On their dock, they had this bait shop so people could drive up in their boats, buy snacks, bait, merch. Like, it was a good idea and people in the community loved it. And then of course, like, their property taxes get raised and they don't have enough money so they have to go to court.

[A]

Like, and like, what happened a year ago when they had no money and property taxes got raised?

[B]

They didn't own this big piece of property yet.

[A]

Who was paying the rent?

[B]

I don't know who was paying for John B.

[A]

All of a sudden the financials are a question.

[B]

All of a sudden they're tax paying individuals because, yeah, they were all like, like, squatting at John B's property that his dad bought. So he bought it. But, like, what about the mortgage, the taxes the insurance, like, I don't know.

[A]

And where Sean B's dad now I know that he was alive. Yeah, sorry, spoiler.

[B]

Yeah, then spoiler. He died.

[A]

Okay. When did he. Did I see him die?

[B]

Did you see them find the city of Gold?

[A]

Yes. Oh, okay, I remember. I remember now.

[B]

Yeah, he, like, sort of sacrificed his own life for Pakistan and Ward gone. Ward gone.

[A]

Yeah, because he tried to, like, steal in the 11th hour.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Now I remember. I totally forgot about all that. Thank you. For now, I'm oriented in the show. I know where I am.

[B]

So it's just. It's this theme of the show is, like, genuine silliness and, like, you really need to suspend so much disbelief. And, like, we were talking about. We were talking about acting. I'm a person who is, like, so firmly planted in reality. Like, I had a really hard time. And then, like. And then, like, the moral compass of the show sort of, like, gets off kilter where they're all, like, actual criminals now.

[A]

Like, they stole someone's boat. What's that guy's story?

[B]

Yeah. No, and they're not just like, they're not. They used to be they would break the law, like, for the sake of something, and now they're just doing it, like, for fun. And I actually can't.

[A]

Understood. Well, I might still watch. We shall see.

[B]

Just like, prepare yourself for the silliness.

[A]

Oh, I will. Yeah, I will. So, like, it's Riverdale. It's seriously Riverdale by the sea.

[B]

It's Riverdale, but I love that Riverdale by the sea.

[A]

So. Yeah. Anything else new with you? Let her. Since we don't talk anymore.

[B]

Now that we don't talk, what's new with me? You know, I tried a pop up bagel yesterday.

[A]

I've had one before and it's very.

[B]

Rare that, like, these hype things, like, there's a lot of food, foodie stuff, whether it's restaurants or companies that get, like, so much hype on social media. And I never end up trying them because, like, most of the time it's not anything that would entice me. But Ben got a delivery yesterday. They had like a collab and I had one of the bagels.

[A]

Who were they collabing?

[B]

Ben's, like, favorite. What is that? Pickle de gallo. Yeah, you know that stuff Ben loves? They made like a cream cheese with them. So Ben got it and tried it and there was like 50. Of course, Ben got like 20 bagels. Yeah. And oh, my God, they're literally amazing. Like, and I know you're gonna say, like, how can a bagel be like, what's different? It's a bagel. No, it's not. It was so good.

[A]

The presentation is really good and really fun. They popped up down here, like, a few months ago, and Zach, like, came home with the whole smorgasbord, and it was really. It was a good, fun thing. And I actually realized I had a pop up bagel this weekend.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because the restaurant I was dining at serves pop up bagels.

[B]

Like, they're good. Like, I. I feel like I was always clowning on, like, things everybody likes. And this is something that everybody likes for good reason. Like, it's really.

[A]

But it's also. It is hard to do, like, a bad bagel.

[B]

Actually, I don't.

[A]

Like, you could have. You could have a bad bagel, like, if you're not trying. You know, some places have stinky bagels, but, like, it's. It's a delicious thing.

[B]

I have a hot. Has bad bagels and they actually need to do better, like, as a. As a brand.

[A]

Starbucks. Do not get a bagel at Starbucks.

[B]

I mean, I have, like, many times, and it's never good.

[A]

Crazy. And you live in New York City?

[B]

Oh, no, no. I like an airport. I never, like, go instead of, like, a bagel. No, no.

[A]

But I've got, like, Starbucks New York location shouldn't even have bagels on the menu.

[B]

Or they should, like, source local bagels, something. It's disgraceful. They're so bad. They're like, worse. They're like what you get in a Delta Sky Lounge. Like.

[A]

And honestly, the same for Duncan.

[B]

And these are like, breakfast places. These are chains of breakfast. And so they should be putting a little bit more of their star busy into their bagel selection. They should do a collab with perhaps pop up or one of those bagels.

[A]

They should put their Starbussy into a lot of their items. Like, most of them.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Maybe start with their coffee.

[B]

Except when I'm criticizing Starbucks, which I often do, just know I'm not talking about their sourdough grilled cheese.

[A]

That's a good item.

[B]

And I think it's really important to have people in your life who are constantly teaching you new things, like friends that you can learn from. And for me, like, one of the greatest things Brian Kelly ever did for me was like, actually, I was in this studio, we were driving to the Hamptons. He picked me up after the toast. He's like, oh, I got you Starbucks. Like, I picked up a grilled cheese and I'm like, wait, they have grilled cheese at Starbucks? I had never heard. When I tell you it was the most delicious thing. And I get them all the time because Ben goes to Starbucks every morning. And sometimes I'm like, yeah, from being fat. I'm like, grab me one of those grilled cheeses, throw it in. It's huge. It's oily, it's cheesy. Like, you know, it's 10,000 calories. It is absolutely divine. Not enough people know about. It's kind of like a secret menu item.

[A]

Oh, secret project.

[B]

Check it out next time you go. I know you don't go to Starbucks, but the next time you do, check it out.

[A]

I don't. My husband goes all the time. I like their egg bites. I'll say that. They're a little needlessly oily, but they're good.

[B]

Are your kids obsessed with cake pops yet? Like, I know that's like, a part of, like, modern children's.

[A]

I mean, if I gave them one, they'd be obsessed, but they don't know what that is.

[B]

Yeah, you'll be making them at home in no time.

[A]

Oh, how cute.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, I have to say something, and I don't mean to embarrass my husband, but the absolute craziest thing happened last night.

[A]

What?

[B]

So at, like, 4ish, we were deciding on dinner, and we're like, you know, let's, like, have like, a good dinner. Like, let's really treat ourselves. So we went to the kosher grocer and got, like, two huge rib eyes.

[A]

For cooking.

[B]

For cooking. He cooked up this feast, and I'm, like, sitting on the couch, and he's making me dinner, and it's just, like, a great night, you know? And the house smells good. The smoke alarms going off. Like, it's good. And we sit down and whenever we make steak, Ben puts the steak on cutting boards and cuts it up, and then we just, like, eat straight off the cutting board. So, like, looking at all the different pieces, I'm like, you know, I'm very particular. Grab a piece. And, like, he was like, how is it? And Ben makes really good steaks. So, like, I wasn't even concerned. And it was like, literally, it was horrible. And I was like, oh, how? I was like, it just tastes, like, a little bland. And then he was like. He was like, oh, my God, I forgot to, like, season the steak, like, marinate it or whatever before, like, I just put it on the grill.

[A]

But can't you do that?

[B]

No, I'm sorry. Like, worst. Sure. Salt, pepper, oregano. Like, whatever.

[A]

Salt, pepper, salt, pepper.

[B]

No, no. I ate a plain steak.

[A]

He just forgot to cook it.

[B]

Yeah. And I was like, are you okay? And then he started.

[A]

Did he like it?

[B]

Well, at first, before he realized his mistake, he took a bite. He's like, I think it's good. Like, no, you don't. Then he was like, wait. And he tried to put Worcestershire on it, like, after. Oh, yeah, but Worcestershire is something that needs to be cooked. Like, it was, like, 100%.

[A]

It might as well have raw egg.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. And I was so, like, quiet mad. I was like, not me. You made me wait, like, two hours, and this is what I like.

[A]

Actually, That's. Did he have it with, like, steak sauce? Because you could really dress anything up.

[B]

Of course. You know, he made, like, a blend of. He. Ben can make anything work.

[A]

Of course he made a blend.

[B]

And I went to bed hungry, and I just thought, like, he walks around. Celebrity chef. Celebrity chef. You literally forgot to marinate your steak. Like, he needs to be shamed for that season.

[A]

It crazy. No little seasoning.

[B]

And then he blamed me. Wait, he blamed me how? He was like, well, I really didn't want to make a dish, so I was, like, planning on seasoning it, like, whilst still in the packaging. And, like, obviously I forgot, but. Because, like, whenever I tell him. Scared of me, whenever I tell him to cook, I'm like, just try and, like, be prudent with the amount of dishes. Like, I always say, like, don't make a ton of dishes. So he, like, literally used that against me.

[A]

I see. It's a really good strategy on his part. It is, but I. I'm not buying it.

[B]

I'm not buying it either. Like, look at me. Do I look frail and weak and have dinner last night?

[A]

No. That's so crazy, because I had the opposite experience because I actually had so much beef last night. I don't know if you saw my story, but I made them hamburger meatballs.

[B]

I mean, you do look jacked. Like, seriously. I did see your story.

[A]

I made hamburger meatballs, which. Are they just meatballs? Like, no, because they're not meatballs.

[B]

They're more hamburgers than they are meatballs.

[A]

Yeah. Because it's all about the seasoning. Like, I didn't use Italian seasoning. I just seasoned them the way I would Caesar season a hamburger. But, like, a girl can't make a hamburger. It just can't be done. Like, I don't use my grill. I'm not making it on the stove. But I can make a meatball. So I made them into little balls, and they were so tasty. Hamburger meatballs. But it's also all about the vibes, too, because, yes, technically, the ingredients aren't that dissimilar from an Italian meatball, but it's the vibe with little ketchup, a little cheese, a little pickle, tomato, onion.

[B]

Like, girls can't make hamburgers. I'm in complete agreement. Unless, like, at the kosher grocer, they actually sell prepackaged patties. Like, unless the patties are made and they put, like, garlic and onion, they make them for you for sure.

[A]

Let me ask you, how would you cook that?

[B]

Ben taught me. It's four minutes on each side. Like, it's actually incredibly easy. You said.

[A]

I tried to make a hamburger on the stove once, and I didn't love the results.

[B]

The caraway cast iron, that's what I use.

[A]

I like to put meat in the oven. Ben and I always talk about this. He likes to cook meat on the stove. He doesn't like to use the oven when he cooks. I like to dress up my food and put it in the oven so I know when it comes out, it's ready. I don't have to keep checking it. Thermometer.

[B]

My problem is, like, why is it that you can make a patty no matter how, like, long and flat you make it? Like, it ends up in a round ball. Like, it. Why does it always shrivel up? Like, how do you even make a smash burger? Like, I've never. Every time I've made a hamburger, it, like, shrivels up, like, to a testicle. What is that?

[A]

I don't know, but that's why I just went straight for the meatball shape. And this is really good.

[B]

We are all doing what we have to do to survive, and I get that. Like, you got dinner on the table for you and your family, and anyone who has anything to say about that will talk to me first.

[A]

And we had plenty of beef. We had beef between our teeth.

[B]

I've got beef between my teeth. It wouldn't be lost without my flaws. The way that episode of Sweet Life, Zack and Cody had such an impact on me individually. And, like, only me and my group of, like, friends from high school are obsessed with it. Like, I feel as though it's not, like, a cultural thing that everybody, like, talks about and references. I don't even know what it was about, and I just know it was the kid from Ugly Betty, Betty's sister's son, Justin Suarez. Justin Suarez. I Was going to say Justin Guarini. Justin Suarez. He has just inquiry Guarini energy in that episode of Sweet Life of Zack and Cody where he leaves it all on the stage.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like, that's just something that meant a lot to me. I forget where I was going.

[A]

He left no crumbs.

[B]

He ate and left no crumbs. Exactly.

[A]

So try out hamburger meatballs. If you are looking for a family friendly dish and you've got ground beef and you don't know what to do.

[B]

With it, I just know that Ben's not home for dinner tonight. So, like, I will be eating, like.

[A]

What are you craving, turd?

[B]

Like, I'm just gonna be eating, like, eat what I find. Oh, you know, you have those pop up bagels.

[A]

That's probably what I'm scavenging.

[B]

It'll be. It'll be rough for me, like, tonight.

[A]

Okay, well, I'll FaceTime you because at least we'll have that. Like, with Ben, you'll go hungry.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Without Ben, you'll go hungry, but you will be, like, emotionally fulfilled. Not that. Not that you wouldn't be with Ben, but sisterly fulfilled.

[B]

Yeah. It's kind of like a different sort of fulfillment.

[A]

It is a different fulfillment center, for sure.

[B]

So Thursdays are great because they're very relaxed, Right. Like Wednesday, we had so much to do between the merch launch and your toasters. I definitely felt like a little bit on edge throughout the entire experience, so.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

Yeah, no, it's okay. And I got through it and I think everybody really enjoyed, so that's great today. Thursdays I find so relaxing. It's like the day before. Friday we have nothing to do. Friday we have Queenie and we need. We always like to, like, wrap things up. Today we can just, like, talk, you know?

[A]

Yeah. We actually have some really funny random stories.

[B]

Funny.

[A]

Yeah. I'm excited to get into some of them. And I guess, like, without further ado, we could do that.

[B]

I wasn't bringing up the run of show, like, for the purpose. Sometimes I do bring up the run of show for the purpose of, like, you know, moving into the second half. But if you have anything else you want to chat about, I'm open to chatting.

[A]

No, I feel as though we've dillied and we've died and we could get into the fast five stories that you need to know.

[B]

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[A]

Thank you. Altered last.

[B]

You're welcome all.

[A]

Jared lasts our first story. Some exciting news to update you on because I feel like we never have an update but Hoda copies Today show replacement has been revealed nearly two months after her exit announcement. So there's two things here like her Today show hour and then Jenna, which we'll get to. But first, it has been revealed that Craig Melvin will be taking over for Hoda copy when she exit the Today show on January 10th. Craig Melvin is the new anchor of the Today Show. Savannah Guthrie gushed of one of those popular decisions NBC News has ever made. Hoda said to Craig, you were made for this job. You will have all the things that this job needs. You're the right person for it. Al Roker said that he did not have the words, but he was so happy for his colleague. As for Craig, he's excited and grateful. He said it meant a lot to inherit the role from Hoda as she is the heart of the show. He said this is the latest in a long line of blessings. He will continue doing the third hour today with Al Roker, Chenille Jones, and Dylan Dreyer. He said, I talked to mom and dad yesterday, and I'm thankful they're still young enough and healthy enough to be able to see this.

[B]

That's really.

[A]

That was really sweet. Meanwhile, the fourth hour, Hoda and Jenna will transition into Jenna and Friends, where Jenna will, quote, date different co hosts until they find the right fit. Until they find the right fit. But I would just say make haste.

[B]

It's Jeopardy.

[A]

It's Jeopardy. I do prefer a decision, but I understand, like, you gotta see how the shows actually go.

[B]

By the way, I saw this Craig news this morning. And for me, like, the. I don't know if I'm unique in the fact, like, I don't care who replaces Hoda when she's, like, doing the news. Like, that's the job a million people could do. Like, to sit in Kiki and talk to celebrities. Like, that's so interesting. And I think that requires such a different skill set. And so that's been my focus. Like, that's who I'm really eager to see. So happy for Craig. Like, I'm really, like, he's a cutie. I really don't know much about him. He'll do a great job. I don't care. I didn't realize that they had, like, made somewhat of an announcement when it comes to the Jenna thing. I thought they just announced the Craig.

[A]

They slipped this in.

[B]

Exactly what you said. Exactly what you said when we were talking about this. Like, that they not do the Jeopardy Thing where they try out a million people. People stop caring. And it didn't work for Jeopardy. Because they ended up hiring the person they meant to hire the first day they found out Alex Trebek died. But they did it because he had some old tweet about someone in a wheelchair. Like, they should have just made that decision day one. Because it got so stupid.

[A]

Because if they announce someone right now or say, give Craig his moment. Announce someone next week. This is who's going to be with Jenna. Like, there'll be so much exception, excitement and fanfare as opposed to just, like, everyone sort of losing interest. And then it's like, this person is the best. Like, and also, if I was that person, and I feel like people come through the Today show all the time. I'm surprised Jenna doesn't have a. Or maybe it's not up to Jenna, but I feel like she would know who she'd like to do it.

[B]

She had a preference, like she could definitely push it forward. I feel like she really likes Justin Sylvester and I think the culture really likes Justin Sylvester. I think it's a great, great choice. And I'm sure they'll have like three or four people in rotation and it'll become clear like who the favorite is based on like, you know, social media and ratings. But I hate this. I can't lie.

[A]

I would love to see who is even an option. Like who will these friends will be? Because of course, like Justin Sylvester comes to mind for us because we know that he co hosts a lot and like we love him. But I wonder who are like the obvious names in rotation. Yeah, I'm looking who will even be on Jenna and Friends. Who are the friends?

[B]

Right. And is it people that we know have already guest co hosted or are these people Jenna's putting forward for the job like people in her life?

[A]

Right. Maybe other hosts out there.

[B]

Yeah. Cuz it's like Justin. Who else I know Heather co hosts. Who else does like frequently, not just.

[A]

One time know that? Because we follow them on Instagram in our circle.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm sure other people, if we followed other people on Instagram. Let me go look. What's their show called? Hoda and Jenna. Yeah, I do like the, the name Jenna and Friends. I just want to say.

[B]

I know, but I feel like it's like a bad, like think about Kelly Ripa.

[A]

It's hard to see who's a hosting.

[B]

And who's a guest. I think that it's a bad precedent. Like when you think about Kelly Ripa, when you don't immediately make a decision, like it's just bad. And I feel like with the Regis and Kelly show or however it started, I forget Regis and Kathy, they every time somebody left, boom, there was a new person. And you know, we all got with it. Like it became Regis and Kathy. Regis and Kelly. Kelly and Ryan. Ryan. No, no, Kelly and Michael. Like every time they switched the names of the show, like we all just kind of got on board and it became a part. It was like a part of the vernacular. We had an easy time. We're like, yeah, Kelly and Ryan, Kelly and Mark, Kelly and Michael. And I actually think, I know she's had her issues, but that's a really good example of how to transition someone out of a role quickly. And just like the public gets on board. They just do. But when you dilly dally like this, like it's silly.

[A]

Make a choice. That's always what I'm saying make a choice.

[B]

I don't like this.

[A]

They could also be testing people, like, behind the scenes, you know, they don't have to do it all.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In the public.

[B]

I think they knew Hoda was leaving for a little while, and I think that anytime one of them was off, they were. They were testing people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think they've been testing people for, like, a year.

[A]

Yeah. I think they think that this will drum up excitement, but I think it's going to be the opposite. I think it will trump up exhaustion.

[B]

Agreed. It's. It's jeopardy.

[A]

But congratulations to Craig Melvin.

[B]

Congrats.

[A]

Job a million girls would kill for.

[B]

It's so true. And you know what? Like, you love to see journalist roles going to journalists. I think that's kind of rare these days. It's usually an influencer.

[A]

It's so true. Maybe it'll be an influencer with Jenna.

[B]

I would love that.

[A]

But probably someone a bit older. I actually feel like if I thought long and hard about it, we could come up with some good names.

[B]

You know, like, so much about chemistry.

[A]

If you even pulled from all of those, like, talk shows that went away. Like Meredith Vieira.

[B]

Bethany.

[A]

No, like the talk. The real.

[B]

The real. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's a lot of swirlies who have good hosting, daytime background.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Adrian Bailon, Lonnie, all those girls.

[A]

Amanda Klutes.

[B]

Yay. The Chew.

[A]

The Chew. So go over there. Daphne Oz. I like her.

[B]

She's dazzling.

[A]

She is dazzling.

[B]

She's a nice life. I like following her on social media.

[A]

Yeah. So are you ready for our next story?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is sort of the hot goss of the day.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Teddy Mellencamp allegedly cheated on her husband Edwin with her married horse trainer, and a heated confrontation ensued. So we went from know absolutely nothing about this divorce to now, I feel knowing too much.

[B]

Agreed. And not in the way. Like, I don't know why. I just assumed, like, Edwin was the villain, not Teddy. Like.

[A]

Right. So apparently Teddy Mellencamp cheated on her husband with a married friend. An insider with direct knowledge of the situation told Page Six that she allegedly stepped out on him several times with her long time with her longtime pal, whose then wife was also a close friend. So this guy has been identified. His name is Simon Schroeder. He's her horse trainer. And his wife, his name is Carly Postal. That just will be Germaine as we go forward. So the two of them have two children. And apparently when Teddy and Simon were in Florida together for an equestrian event while his wife was in California in Labor with their second child. His wife thought it was suspicious that her husband was in Florida when she was giving birth. When he returned to la, the insider says that she allegedly discovered inappropriate text messages between him and Teddy, which led to a heated public confrontation. Apparently, they confessed. Teddy promised it would not happen again. And the wife didn't tell Edwin when she found out because she was willing to give Simon another chance.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

However, Daily Mail source said that the wife learned last month that the alleged sexual relationship not only continued, but also became emotional. So she told Edwin. Then Teddy filed for divorce so that Edwin did not have the chance to file and get her for adultery. It has been alleged that the marriage ended between because Edwin cheated on Teddy, but it's actually the other way around. This Daily Mail source.

[B]

Justice for Edwin, not us all dragging his name through the mud, like, with literally no proof.

[A]

But the timeline is so confusing to me because she filed for divorce on November 1 and listed the date of separation as October 20, even though they were packing on the PDA at a charity event four days later.

[B]

Isn't that, like, lying to the government?

[A]

I have no idea.

[B]

Like, falsifying documentation. I'm literally, like, that scene in L Woods.

[A]

Like, unless it's, like, true. Like, maybe they were, like, splitting. Maybe they had, like, one great last night together.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I guess anything's possible. Plausible giant ability. They were just putting it off of the cameras.

[A]

Yeah. Or they were like, let's just give them a show.

[B]

The craziest part of this whole saga is the wife finding out and not telling Edwin. Like, I guess at a situation like that, like, it's every man for himself. Like, I'm trying to protect my family, my marriage. She owes nobody anything. Like, bitch, I'm just trying to get through this. But I never thought about, like, when. Like, if a spouse finds out, like, do you tell the other spouse?

[A]

I guess it all depends on the relationships. But I guess she didn't want to make the whole thing bigger than it was if she was going to give him another chance and she just sort of wanted to go away. So if. If. Then what? If Edwin found out, left Teddy, and Teddy becomes single and now she's hanging around Your man's right?

[B]

Right?

[A]

No, they're trying to make it work and you have a baby.

[B]

And I so didn't see this for Teddy. I think, like, the. The Teddy that we got to know on the show, like, she was very much like, a pushover. Like, like, she wasn't making strong decisions.

[A]

Like, but I also feel like she was very, like, much. She acted as a moral character.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So this is really surprising. But it's also, like, so Beverly Hills, like, not the horse.

[B]

Horse trainer. Yeah. And, like, is it Saucy's brother?

[A]

It's giving the politician.

[B]

It's also, I think, made Teddy Mellencamp, at least to me, far more interesting. I don't know if interesting is a word I would have used to describe her up until this point. And so to see that. Not that there's anything, like, admirable about having an affair, but it takes a set of balls, and I never saw that for her. Like, she didn't seem like a freewheeling.

[A]

Kind of gal, I guess. But also, I know all she wanted was, like, privacy, not to speak on it. And I think when we thought it was something else, that could be the case. But now that this is all out there, like, she's privacy revoked. No, no, she's gonna talk about. If she doesn't talk about it, it's.

[B]

An admission of guilt.

[A]

And it's just hard because she's a podcast. Like, she talked. If this were a housewife who just, like, you know, does the show well, the other women will bring it up. But, like, post on Instagram, like, we're.

[B]

Not even on the show anymore, right?

[A]

No, but, like, when you have a podcast and we're always hearing from you.

[B]

No, not only that and the concept of their show, they're, like, always digging in on other people. So it's like, you can't dish it and not take it.

[A]

Yeah, no, if she were on the show, it would come up. But I'm just saying, like, the podcasting, I feel like that's what we were saying about Brianna Chicken Fry. It's like. Like, when you don't. When something is so out in the public about your personal life that something like the. I don't know. I just feel like it's really hard to navigate if you don't address it at all.

[B]

It is. And I think that's also, like, an important distinction whenever we're talking about, like, the difference between influencers and celebrities. Like, celebrities really are afforded the luxury of that privacy. Like, they don't have to speak. Like, you're not doing it. You're not on press unless you're, like, in the middle of a press junket. But if you're not working, like, you can literally take six months of silence, and, like, people will forget about it. But influencers, like, your job is to constantly be making content, staying relevant, being on, like, the scene and so it makes it virtually impossible to, like, deal with things privately.

[A]

Yeah, but there's just a try.

[B]

But there's just as much intrigue in you as there is in celebrities. I would argue there's sometimes even more intrigue in, like, influencer drama or an influencer divorce than, like, a celebrity divorce, because there's, like, this weird parasocial relationship between, like, followers, and so you feel more. Yeah, so you're getting. You're getting even, like, more intrigue and sort of there's, like, a higher level of interest than, like, even a traditional celebrity. And, like, you can't get away from it.

[A]

And for Teddy, there's a higher level of interest than if she was just a former housewife like Camille Grammer cheated on her new husband. Like, that.

[B]

Just. Nobody would care.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah. No, it's really crazy.

[A]

It's really crazy. So we'll keep you posted.

[B]

But that was the plot twist of the century.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Speaking.

[A]

Speaking of rumored affairs, are you ready for this next one? Our favorite story of the year.

[B]

What?

[A]

Hugh Jackman's ex wife, Deborah Lee Furness, is subtly reacting to his alleged affair with Sutton Foster.

[B]

Okay, Deb's laying on me because, you know, I ride for Debs. But, like, honestly, in this situation, she's taking backseat.

[A]

Yeah, no, but she's, like, spilling tea in her own way, so. Hugh Jackman may not have been a free agent when he allegedly started his romance with Sutton Foster. He was married to Deborah Lee for Ness for 27 years. The two announced they were divorcing. Rumors have swirled over the past few months that he possibly stepped out of his marriage. And now the Australian actress, that's Debra Lee Furness, has seemingly reacted to the news of his relationship. So Deb liked a post from her private Instagram account of a gossip blogger, Tasha Lustig, claiming that Jackman had blindsided Deb by sharing his relationship with Sutton. Deb's friend, British media personality Amanda DeCandinate, also weighed in on the allegations, writing in a comment last month. You were on point with this one. My beloved friend Deb is about to have her glow up any moment. FYI. It's kind of like.

[B]

I completely agree. That was, like, a beyond unnecessary comment for this girly to make.

[A]

I just feel like they're trying to, like, get in there, but they're also.

[B]

Just like, grown women.

[A]

Yeah, I think she. I don't think she realized what she meant by that.

[B]

I think this is. This might be their first rodeo.

[A]

Like, I think she meant, like, she's about to have A moment, you know, not like.

[B]

Not like, she's ugly.

[A]

A me.

[B]

Go for.

[A]

Okay, she's about to start glowing.

[B]

So this, I feel, might be a situation where we need to trust our faves.

[A]

Who's in the situation?

[B]

I don't know. I don't know. Like, I really don't know. I fear that I can see this being the reality. Right. They worked on a project very closely together. They were both married, and now a year later, they're both divorced and in a relationship. So obviously, it's entirely possible that they fell in love, never did anything wrong, went home, divorced their partners, and came together only at a time where it was acceptable to do so.

[A]

However, the injured party could call that an affair because they.

[B]

That's not an affair. If you develop feelings for someone and you're in a relationship and you go home and end that relationship, like, that's the right thing to do. You can't stop yourself from having feelings, but you can stop yourself from acting on those feelings.

[A]

Yes, but then think about really the timeline. Say you're like, at first it's just, you feel this way about someone, but you're not going to leave your wife. You don't know if they feel that way about you. You kind of, like, need that confirmation. And then you're getting into emotional affair territory. It's really hard to do this in a clean way.

[B]

Okay. But I think there's a world.

[A]

What if she doesn't like you back?

[B]

Okay, that's a really good point. But I do feel like there is a world in which, like, you can find out that the other person likes you and you both go home and get divorced, like, and that's not an affair.

[A]

But don't you kind of have to, like, see that through a little bit just to confirm if it's more than what you have at home?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, it's very reckless to not. But I just.

[A]

I think it's 27 years.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I'm trying to.

[A]

I know. I, like, I think they probably went about it in the best, most respectful way possible. And it can even hold space for maybe that it wasn't even. Didn't even get physical until all was said and done. But the injured party can still say that's an affair.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So.

[B]

And also, I think that, you know, you can maintain that nothing happened between this person, but your wife is not going to believe you. You're leaving me over this person. You obviously her, like, Right. So there's his story, her story, and the Truth. Right.

[A]

There's history, and there's her story.

[B]

Well, you just said a mouthful there, sister. What am I choosing to believe? I'm choosing to believe that everybody's truth is their own.

[A]

I agree. And I'm choosing to believe that, of course, this wasn't the ideal situation. I believe that Sutton and he went about it in the best way that they could have while also betraying the people that they loved.

[B]

Yeah. And I think that we have to hold space for, like, every generation. There's sort of like a once in a love, once in a lifetime, once in a lifetime kind of love, and sometimes you have to hurt people for that. And I fear that Hugh and Sutton might just be that once in a lifetime kind of love. Love.

[A]

They just, like, got in the way.

[B]

And it's unfortunate, but think about it, like, okay, the Notebook. Right. Ali and Noah. Once in a lifetime kind of love. She was out here cheating on James Marsden.

[A]

Yeah. And he was a great guy, too.

[B]

Yeah. He wasn't perfect, but he loved her and he wanted to marry her. And, like, even if he wasn't, like, infidelity, she cheated on him. But we all ship because we know what was at stake, and that was Ally and no one. Like, they were otp. Think of Sutton and Hugh. I challenge you to think of Sutton and Hugh as more of an alley and anoa. And you'll see it very clearly.

[A]

That's just like. And people don't like this one. Camilla and Charles.

[B]

It's exactly like Camilla and Charles.

[A]

Yeah. Although it's not Ryan Gosling.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You guys are singing a different tune.

[B]

And the thing is, if he wasn't Prince Charles at the time, he would have left his wife way sooner, but he was, like, legally barred from doing so. He was begging.

[A]

His grandfather married her to begin with, and that's. Of course, he should have been with Camilla from the beginning. And what, they said no to her because she wasn't a virgin? And how.

[B]

And yeah, by the way, Jackie's delivering absolute facts right now. It's Camilla and Charles.

[A]

So I feel like two lists are brewing here. And now I'm officially starting the list of couples we don't care about separately, but together we love. Because now we have two instances this week.

[B]

Sutton and Hugh.

[A]

Hugh Jackman and Sutton Foster, even though I did love Hugh Jackman before, and Olivia Munn and John Mulaney. Now we love them separately, but. But we came here.

[B]

Yeah. We come to this place for magic. Yeah.

[A]

And then also, if you did want to do a list of like this situ of the Camilla. Charles. Like we're not.

[B]

Not. Okay. But it's understandable in where situations where infidelity was understandable.

[A]

Here I'm calling it true love trumping infidelity.

[B]

Ali and Noah, because they're the blueprint.

[A]

Yes. And if you liked the Notebook, then you like this.

[B]

It's true. Allie, Noah, Sutton and Hugh.

[A]

Camila and Charles.

[B]

Camilla and Charles. Feel free to sound off in the comments any other situations where cheating just felt like it had to be done.

[A]

I feel more organized getting this out down on paper. All week I've been like a mess trying to remember my references.

[B]

Yeah, well, if you could just get that pad and paper. Pad and pen, we would be all squared away.

[A]

That pad and pen.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, no, that pad and pen.

[B]

Pad and pen. Yeah.

[A]

I keep saying patent paper.

[B]

Yeah. And then I said it. Now we both look stupid.

[A]

How am I gonna write when I just have two pieces of paper?

[B]

That's funny.

[A]

So that's the latest with Deb Furness. Deborah Lee Furness and as cute would call her. He used to call her affectionate.

[B]

My Deb.

[A]

My Deb. Now he's not your dad.

[B]

My SOT doesn't hit the same.

[A]

Are you ready for our next story?

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[A]

Oh, thank you, Claudia. I'M enraptured in our fifth story, but I'm going back to our fourth story.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

But I'm going back to our fourth. Our fourth story. You're not gonna like it. It's very chewy, but we've got to break it down. Sydney Sweeney is calling out Hollywood's industry, calling out Hollywood industries. Quote, women empowering other women's stance. She said all of it is fake. So Sydney Sweeney is calling out some people in Hollywood who tear another woman down privately while publicly proclaiming they are empowering women. In a new interview with Vanity Fair, she cited the industry's attitude of, quote, women empowering other women as untrue. This is what she said. Quote, it's very disheartening to see women tear other women down, especially when women who are successful in other avenues of their industry see younger talent working really hard, hoping to achieve whatever dreams that they may have, and then trying to bash and discredit any work that they've done. She said this entire industry, all people is saying, all people say is women empowering other women. None of it's happening. All of it is fake and affront for all the other shit that they say behind everyone's back. She noted that there are so many studies in different opinions on the reasoning behind it and said that it's a generation problem to believe only one woman can be at the top.

[B]

So it feels like she is citing a specific instance, like, something obviously happened turned. She's making, like, sweeping generalizations about the industry. Although I do see this. Like, I feel like we had that conversation when it came to Olivia Wilde, right? When that video. Shia, Shia, Shia, like, her begging Shia LaBeouf to be in her film, even though, like, female castmates had expressed concern about working with him because he's, like, crazy, and she didn't give a shit. Like, but she's one of the women who walks around wearing a herstory T shirt. Women empowering women. The female, whatever. So I can definitely see. I know. I agree 100%, that there are people in the industry who are, like, their platforms is all about, like, telling women's stories, and they're the nastiest bitches you've ever met in your entire fucking life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know if that's the whole industry. And I think that Sydney Sweeney is, like, speaking from experience. Something obviously happened to her. I don't know who it is.

[A]

I don't know who it is. Did anyone come to mind for you of who it could be? Yes, I wonder.

[B]

And I Have no proof. And I think I.

[A]

It's probably the loveliest person who books so many female. Like, I don't know why this person just came to mind. Because I love her.

[B]

Let's say it on the count of three. Three, two, one. Reese Witherspoon.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. You want to know why it came to mind? Because it feels like Sydney Sweeney is putting together a career that's really similar to Reese Witherspoon in the sense that so much more than just acting, Reese Witherspoon has been producing. She's been, like, optioning. I mean, Sidney Sweeney has been producing, optioning books. Like, building something beyond her own acting. Just like getting cast in movies. And, yeah, I also got a Reese Witherspoon vibe. And I have no proof.

[A]

I have no proof. That's funny that you got the same vibe, though. But also, like, here's a quote earlier this year that a producer said about. About Sydney Sweeney, which was, like, not nice. And so I guess this is, like, the vibe of what people have to say about her. She said, there's an actress. The producer's name is Carol Baum. I don't know who that is. She said, there's an actress who everybody loves now. Sydney Sweeney. I don't get Sydney Sweeney. I was on. I was watching on the plane Sydney Sweeney's movie, Anyone but you, because I wanted to watch it. I wanted to know who she is and why everybody's talking about her. I watched this unwatchable movie. Sorry. To people who love this romantic comedy where they hate each other. She said. I said to my class, she teaches at usc, explain this girl to me. She's not pretty. She can't act.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Nobody had an answer. But then the question was asked, well, if you could get your movie made because she was in it, would you do it? That's a very hard question to answer, because we all want to get the movie made. And who walks away from a green light? Nobody. I know. Your job is to get the movie made.

[B]

Okay. I have to say, I agree with Carol that that movie was unwatchable. But everything else she said was so beyond unnecessary, like, coming for her looks. And it's like, well, if we're gonna criticize all different parts of the industry, like, why are you starting with Sydney Sweeney? Like, you're not a woman who supports others. So there are things wrong with the industry. And I'm sorry, Sydney Sweeney is not one of those things. No.

[A]

And Sweeney. Sweeney's very pretty.

[B]

Yeah. Like, please. What do you look like, Carol? Like, let's start there.

[A]

But there's. I actually was some. Who was it? Matt Damon. Is he the one? Good Will Hunting? Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He was doing an interview. I don't know when it was, but he was talking about why the movies that he used to make, like Good Will Hunting, why movies like that don't really get made anymore, and why it's all like, big budget Marvel movies. And he said, like, back in the day, like, your movie would come out in theaters and it would do what however it did. And then later when it came out on dvd, like, it was like a second wave. You had like two opportunities to make a lot of money. But now that movies just go to the streamers, they have to crush it at the box office. That's where they're gonna make all their money. And they're only going with sure things. And that is like the superhero movies, the remakes, the big budget thing. So movies that have. Are a good idea, that need some time and love and building don't get made. And that's why the movie. And so like, that to me is like something you could start chewing on about the movie industry before you start saying it's Sydney Sweeney ruined the movie industry.

[B]

Yeah. And I think, like, Sydney, Sweetie probably gets a lot of flack and like, judgment immediately because of her looks, Right. She's like this very beautiful girl. She embraces her sexuality, like, and a huge part of, like, what catapulted her was like, her boobs. Like, that was like a thing. And so I'm sure she gets, like, initial shock and judgment from that. But I think if you look at her career, like, even if you don't know everything about her, like, she's clearly proved herself. She's a very talented actress. She does do so many things beyond just acting. She produces. She. I think she's like, starting a production company. So it is this woman who is supposed to be a professor, like, just sort of whittling it down to her looks like that. That's insulting. And I don't know if in this article she's referencing this professor. Feels like.

[A]

I don't think that she is, by the way, because it feels like she's talking about someone that we do know and she's also talking about the entire industry. It's a blanket statement. I feel like people don't often make statements like that. Like, they're everyone who says women, all the. And she's not even saying Hollywood men and women don't support. She's saying the women don't support the women. So I just have to think of, like, the women who say they support the women the most. And then I'm like, she's saying they.

[B]

Don'T and, like, tell women stories.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like, who's always talking like that?

[A]

It's a pretty. I mean, she's used the word women, like, a lot in the quote, so it was, like, kind of hard to read.

[B]

And yeah, it was painful to hear.

[A]

But it is, like, a pretty big call out.

[B]

It is. And this is somebody who's successful and she's in the industry. I think a lot of people, like, talk about the industry from the outskirts of it. We're like, yeah, okay, whatever. But City Sweetie's firmly planted at the center of things. She's on one of the biggest shows. Her movie was huge. She is speaking from experience, and she gets in those rooms.

[A]

I could see women who purport to support other women. Support some women, but not women, like, universally. I could see how she's getting shut out for being Sid.

[B]

Yeah, I. I agree. And I know, like, I have no reason to believe this, but it's 100. Reese Witherspoon.

[A]

No, I'm sorry. She's describing Reese Witherspoon. Someone. She is right? Someone who gives jobs and is. She is sorry.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And it's all. But, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And someone who did accomplish everything she wants to accomplish. They even look alike.

[B]

They look alike. And that's the thing. It's like, yeah, you can conveniently support women because you think about the women. Like, Reese Witherspoon is always, like, casting and championing Nicole Kidman. Laura Dern. Women who don't really infringe on her place in Hollywood. Right. They can. They can all coexist without any sort of competition. They're all. All so different, even though they look exactly the same. But Sydney Sweeney is, like, appears to be on her way to building something similar.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So.

[A]

So who do you think it's about? Sound off in the comments. Our fifth and final story. I'm kind of obsessed with. It's one of my favorite tropes. A celebrity dating a reality star.

[B]

Oh, my God, I love who.

[A]

It's so random. So random. Remember Mod Sun? He dated Avril Lavigne.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And Bella Thorne.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And my girl from technically. From the DVF show.

[B]

He's technically like a singer with fans, allegedly. The only time I have ever heard his name is in regards to Tana Mongeau. Bella Thorne, Avril Lavigne. He dates, like.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Well, he was spotted Packing on the PDA with Love is Blind star Brittany Wisniewski, who is Brittany from Leo and Britney from this most recent season of Love is Blind.

[B]

Yeah, they got proper paparazzi outside tmz, like, holding hands, leaving a restaurant.

[A]

So I think from this article says that they first connected on November 3rd at his concert. So that's like, not even two weeks ago. While performing on stage, he spotted the group in the crowd. She was with some friends and gave them a special shout out, which she documented on Tick Tock, saying, respectfully, are both of you on the show Love is Blind?

[B]

Oh, my God, that's so funny.

[A]

He said, my name is Mod. And then in the clip, she could be seeing blowing him a kiss before the video cut off. I guess maybe she was going as his. Oh, maybe they had already met. That's possible. Now a video t my TMZ shows them getting handsy while dancing to party in the usa.

[B]

Now, my initial thought when I saw this was, like, yikes. It's like, not a good look for Britney.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Because I think that, like, when you go on these shows, like, you are constantly trying to beat the allegations that you went on for fame, even though, like, like. And maybe some people go on to fall in love, but everybody's going on a little bit for the fame to quit their jobs and make influencer money. And I think that that was an allegation that was thrown around a lot about her, like, just being kind of, like, having her priorities a little materialistic. Like, even when it came to all the questions about Leo and his money and his watch. And so for her to end up with, like, a D list celebrity, like on tmz, like, I didn't think it was a good look, to be honest.

[A]

I actually think this gives her some credit because in the show, like, she says, I dated rock stars. Maybe, like, he's an ex of hers. Because when she was saying that on the show, it's like, okay, sure. But now it's like, grandma, let's get.

[B]

You back to bed.

[A]

Maybe she has dated rocks or she continues to. He is a rock star technically. Like, maybe it's not Harry Child. But like, she said that she could really be with someone who has a lot of money. Like, she's been with that before. That's actually not what she was looking for. It doesn't help that she then went back to that sort of lifestyle. But I think it gives her some.

[B]

Credit if somebody said to me, claudia will give you $11 billion tax free. All you have to do Is name one Mod sun song. I wouldn't be able to do it. I couldn't take the money.

[A]

I could not. I could guess.

[B]

Like, I couldn't even guess.

[A]

Why don't you just, like, guess?

[B]

Whoa, whoa, Madsen.

[A]

Yeah, like, okay, I'm gonna go to his discography, but before I do, I'm gonna guess, like, what? He could have even have a song called, like, hold on, like, the Flames of Love.

[B]

Okay, okay, that's kind of good. Okay, wait, let me, let me. Wait, wait, wait. What's like, a title of a song that, like, a lot of people have the same title? Do you know what I mean?

[A]

Right, right, right. Like something with. Oh, I already did.

[B]

Love.

[A]

Do different words than me to increase our chances.

[B]

Get you back.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, that's my Claudia.

[A]

He has a song called Flames with Avril Lavigne and I swear I've never seen that before.

[B]

I believe you.

[A]

Oh, my God. So do I get like five and a half billion? I got half of it. Oh, he has. I'd rather overdose. Oh, this would have been a good.

[B]

Guess, Karma, because I was thinking Taylor Swift songs.

[A]

Me too. I was like God of the Woods. He has a song called Sunshine. That would also have been a really good guess. These are nothing words. We shouldn't get you back in case some. Wait, I'll go to all his. He has a song called I Told you, Karma, Bones, Flames. Oh, he does. One word. Okay, that's good to know.

[B]

Oh, so I'm out.

[A]

Better man.

[B]

Is he obsessed with Taylor Swift?

[A]

Prayer 20, Numb Smith, roller coaster annoying porn star. Internet killed the rock star. Okay, so honestly, I feel like we, like, did pretty good. Like, I. I know we didn't make $11 billion, but by the way, we're.

[B]

Going home empty handed.

[A]

But we didn't embarrass ourselves.

[B]

I just don't understand, like, how. And this is just like, honestly, like, the gender imbalance. Because if there was a successful woman who was on the same level looks wise as this person, like, no way would they be pulling women like, or men with of equal looks to like Tana Mongeau, Britney, Avril Lavigne. Like, you just think.

[A]

I guess.

[B]

Let me.

[A]

I don't like his vibe, but let me get a look at his face. Yeah, I actually feel like maybe he has a handsome face, like behind all that hair and drum kits.

[B]

Oh my God. Mod sun. Like, huh. Okay. I just feel like the pictures of him, like, are good pictures. No, I'm sorry. I stand by what I said.

[A]

I think that if he did something else. Like, he. He's making himself ugly. He's got nice features. It's so easy for men, though.

[B]

It's so true. You know what does he have, like, a magic penis? He's not even famous. In what world is he a rock star?

[A]

He's like a little like. Like he's in the same Elk of Machine Gun Kelly. They collab. So it's like, if you're into that, he's like a.

[B]

He's a.

[A]

People are famous.

[B]

Way less famous. Machine Gun Kelly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's not a rock star.

[A]

But not everyone can punk. Yeah, a punk star. Ask Ben what he thinks of him.

[B]

I bet you that's a great question, because I feel like Ben doesn't even know him. Hold on.

[A]

Well, then he's not a real punk lover.

[B]

Do you know any songs by.

[A]

Do you know Mat Son? Say, do you know Matan?

[B]

Do you know who Mod sun is? Let's see.

[A]

I'm so curious.

[B]

He's on a flight, so he either will answer in two seconds or not at all.

[A]

Either got WI fi or he didn't.

[B]

Yeah, it's. But Ben always gets WI fi.

[A]

Do you always get WI fi?

[B]

Every single time. I actually pay for that monthly thing. Like, go, go, go. Yeah. Which when I was on tour, like, it was really economical because a flight is like 30 for Wi Fi, then it's 50amonth. I really need to stop paying for it. I don't travel. Yeah, he's not answering.

[A]

I don't always pay for the WI fi.

[B]

Oh, she's kind of radical.

[A]

Sometimes I. What do those men call it? I raw dog.

[B]

You raw dog a flight.

[A]

Yeah, sometimes. But sometimes they do free texting and I'll go for that. Or I'll buy like a 30 minute pass just to catch up. But I like unplugging a bit.

[B]

You're literally like. Living on a prairie.

[A]

Living on a prairie. He didn't answer. Okay, so that's a cliffhanger for tomorrow's episode.

[B]

Halfway there. Whoa. Living on a prairie.

[A]

Living on a prairie.

[B]

You'll have to tune into tomorrow's episode to see if Ben Soffer knows who.

[A]

Mod sun as and likes him. We should. And if he does, we should, like, take this joke. Pretty tickets. Yeah, you should pretend like he's coming on the toe. Oh.

[B]

Oh, my God. He responded. He used to date Bella Throne.

[A]

But what about his music?

[B]

I think he's some random singer. I know of him, but don't know him. Why do you know any of his music? But I'm going to. I think that's enough.

[A]

That's Throne. Bella Throne.

[B]

I'm cackling.

[A]

What's left to say?

[B]

What can I say except Bella Throne?

[A]

Nothing. You can't say anything except that.

[B]

You guys, thank you so much for listening to the Toast and Landon Morning show, where we deliver the past five stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. If you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe. Give this video a thumbs up and we're also available as Podcast anywhere Podcast we found. So it's Spotify Tune, Citra Public Video. I already cast box all the places I've listened to podcast finance, but a beautiful, sunny, and wickedly talented we are.

[A]

Love you. Bye.