Jobbing Our Love: Wednesday, October 15th, 2025

Summary

The Toast – "Jobbing Our Love"

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: Wednesday, October 15th, 2025
Podcast: Dear Media

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the concept of "jobbing your love, loving your job," with sisters Jackie and Claudia Oshry reflecting on work-life balance, sisterhood, and finding joy (and exhaustion) in LA. They discuss everything from personal updates and dog drama to reality TV recaps ("Dancing With the Stars," "The Valley," "Bachelor Mansion Renovation Show") and major pop culture stories, including deep dives into the Victoria Beckham documentary, the Spotify/Netflix podcast deal, and shocking Vanderpump Rules friendship drama.

The tone is classic Toast: playful, witty, slightly self-deprecating, and packed with pop culture snark.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. "Jobbing Your Love, Loving Your Job" — Life & Work in LA

• Jackie and Claudia riff on the idea that when you love your job (and your sibling-coworker), every day feels like a birthday (00:39). Loving what you do (and who you do it with) brings energy even to "the worst" days, but LA has its downsides:
  • Claudia is struggling with negative energy in LA and missing her dog, Romeo, which leads to a thoughtful chat about mindset and the power of positivity, especially postpartum.
    • Quote: "When you have a negative mindset, it really affects your reality... you see in the world what’s in your mind." — Claudia (01:53)
  • Jackie suggests Claudia reconnect with nature in LA (Nobu Malibu, convertible, PCH drive) to break the cycle.
  • Banter about taking kids in a convertible and whose child is the real LA baby (03:33).

2. "The Good Guys" Podcaster Rivalry

• Claudia's husband Ben is thriving with his podcast ("The Good Guys"), creating a humorous sibling rivalry:
  • Claudia jokes that she's threatened by Ben's success and juicy interviews (with hints at a John Stamos episode and dramatic Hollywood tea).
    • Quote: "Maybe I’m not the most successful podcaster in my house…" — Claudia (05:36)
• Jackie teases about being left behind if Ben's show continues to blow up.

3. Delays in Pop Culture Consumption: 'Dancing With the Stars' in LA

• The East Coast/West Coast TV airing delay leads to spoilers and frustration for watching "Dancing With the Stars" live (07:23).
• Recap of emotional tributes on the show, including memorable moments like Mr. Feeney’s appearance and standout emotional TikTok montages by contestants (08:46).

4. Celebrity Relationship Analysis: Selena Gomez, Brooklyn & Nicola, and More

• Discussion of reports about Selena Gomez’s drifting friendship with Nicola and Brooklyn Peltz Beckham:
  • Speculation about the reasons for the fallout—who's the toxic one, and which clues suggest red flags.
  • Compare/contrast with Selena’s other friendships (including donors and Disney friends).
  • Segue into the Victoria Beckham documentary:
    • Jackie and Claudia agree the doc was aesthetically pleasing but mostly an infomercial for VB’s brand—gliding over major parts of her life and raising more questions than answers (25:07).
    • Quote: "It was just an advertisement for her brand, and it was a beautiful one at that." — Jackie (24:40)
    • Notably missing: hard details about the Spice Girls breakup.

5. Bravo and Reality TV Scandal

• Deep-dive into the Wendy Osefo insurance fraud allegations:
  • Step-by-step analysis of Wendy and her husband’s alleged scheme—claiming items lost to burglary that were later visible on social media and even worn on camera. Jackie breaks down why this mistake was so "not smart" given Wendy’s image as the “smart” Housewife (15:30).
    • Quote: "Like, I could have committed a better crime." — Claudia (12:16)

6. Reality TV News Bites

- 'Bachelor Mansion Renovation Show'

• Introduction of the new HGTV competition: former Bachelor Nation contestants (including golden Bachelor/Bachelorette alums) competing to renovate the legendary mansion, with Taisha Adams and Tyler Cameron as judges (30:21).
  • Banter about contestants’ actual renovation abilities, with playful skepticism.

- Streaming Updates & Podcasting News

• Apple TV+ rebrands to Apple TV, causing confusion (37:09).
• Netflix to host Spotify video podcasts starting in 2026, setting off a riff about podcast industry trends and "cord-cutter" identities (40:06).
  • Jackie: "We are an independent media company. Not to get ahead of myself, but if we were to be on this program, that would mean the frames would be on Netflix." (41:35)
  • Claudia: "Rising tides raise all shines. This is great for everyone!" (42:28)
  • Amused reactions to the batch of sports-heavy Ringer podcasts as Netflix’s test case.

7. Vanderpump Rules Friendship Fallout

• Hot tea: Lala Kent and Sheena Shea’s friendship is "beyond repair" (48:33):
  • Multiple possible causes: Sheena upset at lukewarm support for her memoir, Lala possibly leaking info about Brock’s affair.
  • Jackie contextualizes the friendship’s depth—these two were "like sister wives," raising children together and sharing real estate—and how surprising this downturn is given their distance from the pressures of reality TV (52:39).
    • Quote: "They were living their lives like, like sister wives... it’s so crazy that that could to be so rocky." — Jackie (52:39)
  • Lala's anxieties about being reality TV villain post-Scandoval discussed.

8. Dancing With the Stars Recap

• Major emotional tribute night:
  • Intricacies (and awkwardness) of three-person dances.
  • Dylan and Daniella scored highest (36/40) with a dance for his little sister (56:12).
  • Robert Irwin’s tribute to his mother was a standout (58:31).
  • Behind-the-scenes cast and family moments, including Alex Earl's blended family (#jawdrop).
  • End discussion full of “slay” and hopes for Golden Bachelorette upgrades and changing reality TV tropes (64:45).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "When you love your job and you job your love, every day is the birthday." — Jackie (00:39)
• "When you have a negative mindset, it really affects your reality... you see in the world what’s in your mind." — Claudia (01:53)
• "Maybe I’m not the most successful podcaster in my house…" — Claudia, on Ben’s podcast success (05:36)
• "Like, I could have committed a better crime." — Claudia, on Wendy Osefo’s insurance fraud scandal (12:16)
• "It was just an advertisement for her brand, and it was a beautiful one at that." — Jackie, on the Victoria Beckham doc (24:40)
• "They were living their lives like, like sister wives... it’s so crazy that that could to be so rocky." — Jackie, about Lala & Sheena (52:39)
• "Rising tides raise all shines. This is great for everyone!" — Claudia, about Netflix/Spotify podcast news (42:28)
• "The best part was her making a TikTok with Harper." — Jackie, on Victoria Beckham’s rare ‘real’ moment (29:13)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00–04:00: Opening banter; “jobbing your love” philosophy, LA woes, dog talk
• 04:35–06:55: Ben’s “Good Guys” podcast rivalry; John Stamos tease
• 07:23–10:16: Struggles with “Dancing With the Stars” schedule, emotional recaps
• 12:16–15:48: Wendy Osefo insurance fraud scandal breakdown
• 21:01–29:13: Selena Gomez/Nicola/Brooklyn friendship drama; Victoria Beckham doc review
• 30:21–36:44: Bachelor Mansion Renovation Show; casting and format
• 37:09–42:38: Apple TV+ rebrand; Netflix x Spotify podcasts; future of podcasting
• 48:35–55:14: Lala & Sheena friendship fallout (Vanderpump Rules)
• 55:37–65:46: Dancing With the Stars full breakdown, family dynamics

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Summary Flow and Utility

This episode mixes meaningfully personal conversations (about negativity, postpartum feelings, and familial work bonds) with deep, often hilarious dives into pop culture headlines. The Oshry sisters’ playful, candid banter keeps things lively, while their sharp commentary on reality TV, streaming trends, and celebrity scandals will catch up any pop culture lover on the week's must-know stories.

Whether you're here for Bravo tea, the warmth of their sibling dynamic, or insider takes on podcast and reality TV industry trends, this episode offers a hearty dose of The Toast’s signature humor and insight.

Transcript

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Good morning, girlies. It's the toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

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It's your favorite show.

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The best five things you need to know.

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We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast.

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They sound amazing.

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Welcome back to the terst happy worst. Hey, Jerst, how you durst?

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Happy worst day.

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Yeah. Even though it's so not.

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I know. What is the worst day? Have we ever decided? Monday.

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Of course it's Monday.

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Yeah, it is.

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But Jackie, when you love your job and you job, your love. Every day is the birthday.

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Oh, it's the birthday.

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When you get to work with your beautiful sister. Every day is the birthday.

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Every day is birthday. Monday, Tuesday, Jersday.

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How are you doing, preggylicious?

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I'm good, thank you. Just like post it up. I'm in a comfy position. Like, I don't think I'm gonna move for the whole show.

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Yeah. But then, like, being in a comfy position is a blessing and a curse because you don't move. And then when you have to move, it's like. And like you're like an ice sculpture. Like it. You literally cannot. You're frozen.

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Yeah. And Bruno's not here. He does take up half the chair, which is really crazy. Just like he takes up half the bed. He's such a crazy individual that Bruto.

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He'S getting self indulged.

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He's getting groomed right now. So tomorrow he'll be back looking handsome, bringing his best to the show. But he did take a personal day for self care.

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Speaking of Bruno, I have just like a small personal update.

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Okay, scary. Like when you phrase it that way. Yeah, because you never know what Koji's doing.

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I kind of miss Romeo. Like, me and Ben were looking at pictures of him last night. That's how you know I'm hating la. Like, I really miss my dog.

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Oh, so today we hate la.

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Yeah, it's just like yesterday we were tolerating it. Yeah. I just hate to be so negative. You know, I feel like when you and I actually really believe that, even though, like, my joke is that, like, I'm a negative queen, I feel like when you have like a negative mindset, it really affects your reality. Like, you see in the world what is in your mind. Like, you're what?

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Now you're talking. Like a true podcaster.

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No, I know. Job.

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Your love, love your LA has gotten to her. The Dear media offices have gotten to her.

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See, I felt this way like when I was postpartum too, because it's so easy to, like, slip into being negative. Like, I'm tired. I'm tired. But then you, like, start to see the world through, like, your haterator eyes. And I really generally try to be, like, a positive person, even though, like, I joke all the time that I'm so negative. And, you know, I live to complain, but I. Once I slip into, like, hating something, I can't get out, like, so I have to, like, rise above. I'd stay above water and I'm slipping.

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You know what you should do? I don't know what your plans are today, but you should go to the ocean.

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I should go to the ocean.

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You love the ocean. You're obviously a water sign, Loki. So am I. But let's. That's inconvenient. That's an inconvenient truth. Because I'm not.

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And that's what Al Gore was talking about when he made that movie Jackie O.

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Being, though not inconvenient, though not really liking swimming.

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Not really liking you. Do you have a pool? How many times have you been in your own pool? Twice.

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A couple times. But I'm always, like, pregnant, and, you know, I don't like to swim when I'm pregnant, so I can't.

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Another inconvenient truth.

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Another inconvenient truth. But, no, I think that you should head to the Pacific. What about a little Nobu? Malibu? I think you need to, like, touch sand, and I think that's.

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I think I need to touch sand, right?

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I think that's, like, one of the great assets of California, like, is the Pacific and the weather and just, like, the sun in your hair. I think you need to rent a convert and drive down the pch. Like, I think that's what you need. I feel like you're too much in Tinsel Town and you need to get to, like, true tinsel burb. Tinsel adjacent Tinsel Coast.

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Tinselville.

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So do with that amazing advice what you will.

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That's really good advice. I need to pack a bathing suit.

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Oh, my gosh. That's so not Koji.

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So not water. Sign of me. But I did pack two for Ruby.

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Looks like you're skinny dipping.

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It'll be a treat for my fellow beachgoers down in the boo.

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You should really rent a convertible and drive down the highway like Ruby will love.

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Yeah, a hundred percent.

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I wonder what age kids can go in a convertible.

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Like, you can't put a car seat in a convertible.

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Well, you could, but that's crazy. That's crazy.

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My baby would Be fine.

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Oh, well, yeah, because he loves Hollywood and he's so taken with his town, and he never wants to go home. Plot twist.

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No, he's. He is literally his father. Loving it, living it up.

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That is his. Hysterical.

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And Ben is even more, like, crazy than ever, actually. I. Jackie is gonna eventually go on maternity leave, but I did want to do an episode. I told Jackie today, I'm like, if you're feeling, like, tired. Ben is dying to get on the podcast, and I'm dying to get him on the podcast to, like. Really? We're having two completely different experiences here.

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Oh, that is hysterical. Okay.

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Yeah.

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Maybe tomorrow, you know. No can do.

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Yeah. If you're just feeling, like, a little tired.

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I'm feeling a little out of pocket.

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I know someone who's got the itch for fame. Ben is literally 50ft from stardom.

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That is really hysterical. One of my favorite tropes about Lish.

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Yeah, me too.

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Have any opportunities I come his way since he's been in Los Angeles.

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Well, just like, the good guys is thriving. Right.

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Right. They.

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Ben was actually telling me, I won't spoil. Which means.

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Which means that it's time to go home.

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Correct. Once the good guys are doing better than us. Like, we're being delayed. Once again, better than us. It's time for us to go home.

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Yeah.

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Order. Maybe that's why I feel so unbalanced. Yeah, it's like, maybe I'm not the most successful podcaster in my house.

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Don't even say that, Claudia.

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I know. They did score a huge interview yesterday. Ben was telling me all about it. I forgot to tell you. Incredibly juicy.

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Oh, let's play guess who. But you. I know you won't ultimately tell me.

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No, no. I think Ben might have posted who it was on his Instagram. Let me just triple check before I blow up their spot.

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You know, man or woman?

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Man.

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Mustache.

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I feel like it just depends on the day.

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Okay. TV or film?

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No, I would say no mustache. Tv.

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John Samos.

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Oh, yeah.

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Josh posted it.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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And he came with some piping hot tea.

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Regarding whomst.

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Again, I don't know if I can or should spoil it, but regarding one of his famous friends.

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Okay.

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He's going through something right now.

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Something that we knew, like, that we know about.

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Yeah.

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I would just have to track my brain of, like, the full house.

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He's peeling the curtain back.

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Okay.

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And that's all I'll say.

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Okay. That's a really good teaser. Like, free promo for the good guys.

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Cool. Once again, why? How do we always get here? We're like, we're doomed.

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Like, do they talk about us?

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Never.

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Just, we talk about them.

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We're intent on destroying them while also lifting them up.

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I know, but that's what it means to be a hater, though. Like, you're actually a fan. Us good guys, like, the more we talk about them, the more shine we give them. Like, the more air and oxygen and they just thrive. That's like a hater.

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Live for it. I understand my haters more than ever.

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Thank you to my haters.

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Today is Wednesday, which normally would mean a busing down Dancing with the Stars recap. But let me tell you another thing I'm hating about la. We watch it late, so it airs. They tape it at 5pm Pacific time here.

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Okay.

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It airs for you at 8, but then it airs for us three hours later. So no thanks. I found out. Yeah. So first of all, 8 o' clock for me. I'm. I was literally asleep by 8:50.

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Oh, I was wondering why, like, you weren't live watching. But I guess even if you were like ready to watch Dancing with the Stars when I was. You don't get it.

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Unless. What? I'm going to download a vpn. Like, I don't know.

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I guess you have to go. You're going to have to go to a taping.

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And then I got a spoiler that like, nobody got sent home. Spoiler alert. So I'm so. I was like, okay, I'm not staying up late to watch nobody go home. I'll watch the dances on Tik Tok.

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Well, we're going to recap it in the fifth and final story. I'm going to let you know what you missed. It was kind of a clusterfuck. I don't know if that makes me like Scrooge that I wasn't so emotionally affected. There were some dances and like some tributes that were really beautiful. But like every time there were three people dancing on the screen, like, it felt weird. Yeah.

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Because dancing is very much like a two person thing.

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Like, and. And every single. There was all these different combos, like Elaine and Chessy and Alan. So it was like two girls and a guy and it was weird. Then there was Whitney and her husband and Mark. Weird, like every way that you sliced it.

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I am loving, like everybody's emotional tributes. I watch Jen Affleck, like everybody's made like a montage for their TikTok. I was sobbing watching Jen Affleck talk about how she just like needs her mom so much. In the videos of her, like, giving birth while her mom was giving her, like, a hug. So cute. And Whitney also, like, making all these emo things for what's his name? Connor and Alex, Earl and her little sister. Those are the three that I was deeply moved by.

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The little sis was adorable. And one of the better ways to do the tribute. Oh, I have to let you know what they did with Mr. Feeney.

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Oh, they wheeled him onto the ballroom.

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Floor, in a sense. But you'll have to wait till our fifth and final story.

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Oh, okay.

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What did things Mr. Feeney did? You'll have to wait and see.

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You're so Julianne Huff. Let's get your scores after the break.

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Let's get your scores, dancers.

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I love your scores, dancers.

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And your favorite girly was a guest judge.

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Who?

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Kim Herjevic.

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Kim Herjavec. Very interesting. How do I feel? I haven't thought about Kim Herdvac in a while. So let me just recalibrate because the last time I heard Kim Herjavec, I wasn't obsessed with the fact that Robert Herjavec left his wife of, like, a hundred years to marry his dance partner, but now they have, like, twins and they had a baby. So, like, I think I have to move on. Right.

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It's like, yeah, she was looking very beautiful and giving, like, really nice commentary.

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Okay. It was reminding me. Is it a story about TJ and Amy getting engaged? We don't have to make it a story, but now that they're engaged, I think we all have to move on from how they got engaged.

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The thing is, I don't know why. It never really bothered me, like, what they had done and, like, I'm glad that they got engaged and they're thriving and, like, good, keep going. That's what you have to do. You have no other choice. But, like, I can't remember what the circumstances were that led me to, like, not really feel, like, so negative about.

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Their situation because they had both got huge professional ramifications for something that happened in their personal life. And I remember when we were talking about it, we were just like, okay, well, it's terrible that they both, like, cheated on their partners. But, like, what does it have to do with GMA's third hour?

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Yeah. And now big news story.

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And I was like, okay. But again, like, these people being just, like, ethically wrong. How is it relevant here?

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Yeah, it just. It. Yeah. I don't know.

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I think that's why we ended up being, like, kind of soft on them for sure.

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And I feel good about that. Like, they're super happy, and.

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And now their partners are together.

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My favorite trope.

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The Shania Twain effect.

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My favorite trope.

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That's a good trope.

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I love your trope. Scorned lovers.

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Yeah, it's like, okay, so it's like, enemies to lovers. What. What is this one called? Like, scorned.

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Scorned lovers.

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I like it.

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Or wife swap.

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Tessa Bailey, get on it. Did you see? Oh, by the way, are we talking about Wendy Osefo today?

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No.

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Okay. Because like I said, what are we talking about? I don't know.

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Honestly, the stories are really random.

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Like, well, it's fine, because I had said a couple of days ago, like, I was just waiting for, like, a Bravo account to break it all down for me, and there have been several. I am fully caught up on what Wendy Osefo did, and it's really, really bad and really stupid. Like, I feel like Wendy, she was, like, she was. She's a good housewife, but I think her thing is, like, that she's smart. Right. She has a lot of degrees. Her and her husband combined have, like, six or seven degrees between them. She's always just sort of like some women stunt, like, their wealth, their fashion. She stunts her education and her.

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Yes, she's a doctor.

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Right. She goes on tv. She's just like, kind of takes, like, a. An intellectual high ground for sure. And for her to have been so stupid. Oh, and by the way, her husband's a lawyer. Oh, my God. Like, I could have committed a better crime. They left so much evidence in writing via email. Be like, hey, when we put this fraud together, should we take this ring and have it, like, literally just. They made it so easy for the police. They basically went on vacation and claimed that they were robbed. And what was missing from the house was items they had returned to stores years ago, items that they actually still had in possession. And then Wendy would go out, like, a week later wearing the items that she claimed were stolen and documenting it all on social media, like, seriously, the least.

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And on the show, she was wearing stuff on the show that she said.

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Was stolen upwards of, like, $400,000. That's what they claimed that insurance gave them. Oh, and they had multiple claims out to, like, different insurance companies. Not saying that, like, you know, the other one filled the claim. So it's insurance fraud, and it's really serious, actually. So it's really bad. There's so much evidence.

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I saw a clip of her on a podcast talking about the robberies, the kiddos. Yeah. Was that, like, a red flag for everyone, because when I saw it, I haven't seen, like, other people talk about that clip. And the thing is, it's so unfortunate because I would never watch a clip like that at the time and be like, this person's lying.

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Right.

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And I don't want to ever be that sort of person that, like, hear someone tell a really traumatic story and question their story.

[B]

Right. But now watching it back, surfacing of an interview she did on, like, a Bravo podcast right after the robbery, and they're talking about housewives, and then the host is just like. And by the way, like, this robbery, like, are you okay? What happened? And she was like, yeah. I mean, you know, we weren't there. We were on vacation with the kiddos. And the way she said kiddos, it's like, you're lying. You're lying. Nobody thought it at the time.

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Like, now it's an extremely sinister 1000%. The way she said kiddos when talking about kiddos was so.

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It was weird.

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Weird. And the whole. The whole thing was so weird. But now I could say it is like, oh, I could see you're lying. I would have never. I would have never known. I would have been like, that is so sad. That is so trick setting.

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Yeah.

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But you know what? I'm. I'm a believer, and I like that about me.

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I agree. Don't change that about yourself. Like, I just. To become someone who just, like, doubts.

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And, like, is cynical. And whenever someone, like, especially with robberies, weirdly so, there's always someone like, they're lying. I'm like, you're the worst person.

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It's so true. And I. And that's why I feel like, you know, all roads do lead back to Jussie Smollett.

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Oh.

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Because nobody wanted to be the first person to be like, is he lying? Because it was such a crazy thing. And so that's why I think when everybody. I don't know who the first person to, like, cast out was, but everybody after that was like, yeah, you know what? I was thinking the same thing. I would never. Especially because Wendy was just like. She was just an upstanding citizen. Right. Like, that was like her thing, almost like. Like morality police. But I feel like that's always how it is. You know, it's like the person. It's like the Ellen.

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Yeah.

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The person preaching kindness is like, beating people up backstage.

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No, it's. That's really such a crazy story.

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So it is a. A crazy saga. It's not just like a. A little Blip. I do feel like they might go to jail.

[A]

And it's not just, like, 300.

[B]

No, it's upwards of 400 grand in items. Like claiming that they were stolen and then getting insurance to reimburse for them. But they were not stolen. They were either, like, hidden under her mattress or return to stores. Like, literally, paper trail after paper trail. Not smart.

[A]

Not smart. From the Dr. Wendy Oseppo. Right?

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Right.

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Yeah.

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So I. If you are.

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Yeah. Now that we've done two. Now that we've done two stories, I feel good about getting into the fast five stories that you need to know.

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Thank you, C O s. You're welcome, Joe. Our first story in no order of importance, but I actually want to talk about this for two reasons. One, Nicola and Brooklyn Peltz have grown apart from Selena Gomez. As they say, relationships evolve. But I also want to talk about the Victoria documentary because I'm pretty sure you watched.

[B]

I did.

[A]

So let's talk about this and then we'll talk about that. Because reports of a feud between Selener and Nicola and Brooklyn Peltz Beckham are untrue. An insider tells people. They said there's no bad blood. Relationships evolve. And it's true they're not as close as they once were. But there wasn't any one thing that happened. The lie detector determined that that was a lie.

[B]

Yes, agreed. You don't like go from having like throuple vacations on yachts to not being invited to someone's wedding within a year. And honestly, the lie detector has also determined that like Nicola and Brooklyn seem like the toxic ones because like everyone around them is now like beefing.

[A]

But Koji, that's what I think too, because I was gonna say like, who's the problem here? But like Selena doesn't talk to her kidney donor.

[B]

Yeah. Her own kidney donor. So in this particular situation, it's hard to know who's the toxic one.

[A]

Or maybe like, a bunch of toxic people got together.

[B]

But yeah, the kidney donor. If we could take that out for one second. Selena does have, like, a lot of really long term friends. You know, you saw them in her documentary. She's had, like, the same people around her for a really long time. So I don't think. I think we could say a lot about Leaner, but I don't think I would say she's, like, a bad friend and that she has, like, fleeting friendships.

[A]

Okay. Demi.

[B]

Okay. But those were, like, the Disney years. We can't.

[A]

I know. And you could do that to anyone. Like, people, like, go through, like. Like are close with someone one day.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then not in another day. But this is. This was very, like, hot and fast. And I definitely think that it is weird to at least, like, you don't always have to be so close. And sometimes you're with someone, like, for a season. We're both liking the same things. We're both traveling. We like to do the same. And that might peter out naturally.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Priorities change. But to not invite them to your wedding is weird. Red flag. So I'm glad that, like, someone's circling back on this because I feel like we had said, like, let's see if they're. They go to her wedding, but we didn't follow up with it.

[B]

Yeah. Well, here is us following up. They did not go. And it was a big wedding. Again, I think also a lot of times when celebrities get married, you can say, like, it was a really intimate. No, it was like, a big affair and they weren't there and they hate each other. And it does beg the question, like, of now making me think they're the problem.

[A]

Brooklyn and Nickler.

[B]

I had thought that anyways, so this only, like, confirms it. I did watch the Victoria documentary, and it sucks because, like, I'm just comparing it to the David documentary. And I feel like they put their whole family story in the David documentary, so his was so much better. Not because he has a more interesting life, but because their family life was documented it. That was the most interesting part. I didn't give a. About what happened to him in soccer. Like, it was him in the media and. And Posh and him having babies. And so their wedding with the purple dresses, Like, I learned about all that from his documentary. And they didn't want to repeat themselves, so they didn't. And while the story of her fashion business, like, was compelling.

[A]

Yeah. No, it wasn't in a fantastic documentary. I enjoyed myself watching it. I think she's really fascinating, and she's lovely to watch. And all these, like, pop culture tidbits were really fun, but it left me with even more questions about Victoria. Like, I understand they didn't want to talk about, like, Madrid again and the affair again. Like, these big things that happened to her that we saw through David's documentary. But, like, why didn't they talk about why the Spice Girls broke up? Like, yeah, why?

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

And also, they didn't even say, like, Jerry left. And then we kept doing it. Like, it wasn't a documentary about Victoria's life, because they jumped over these huge moments. And even the fact that she has four children. Like, and she was doing that, like, when she was a pop star and a wag and in the public eye and having a fashion brand. And, like, they just sort of, like, threw that. She was like, oh, I was breastfeeding Harper and I did my collection. Like, I was just like, I want to know more about everything that you're just sort of glazing over. And it really was just an advertisement for her brand, and it was a beautiful one at that.

[B]

Yes, it was an advertisement for the brand, but I think it was also, like, trying to shift the narrative. I don't know how, like, the fashion space, especially, like, in Europe, how they perceive her, but I don't think she gets taken seriously or as seriously as she wants to as, like, an official, like, house. And so I think the documentary's goal was to just, like, prop her up in that industry and, like, make everybody see her how she wants to be seen. And, like, I personally don't care. Like, that's not what. It's just, like, the fact that she has a brand is, like, a fun fact about her. It's not the whole thing.

[A]

But to me today, like, her brand seems so legit and so serious. Before the documentary, I actually felt like the documentary was made for, like, you know, the commercial lay people like us to be like, oh, Victoria has this, like, 360 brand. She has beauty. She has perfume. Like, oh, I might want to buy a shirt. That's a nice thing. I felt like it was actually meant for the common people because she has what she wants in the fashion industry, which is immense respect. Like, we were talking about Wintour and a Winter in the Doctor documentary. She was. Her name was thrown around, even if it was just by one person and me for editor in chief of Vogue. Like, she has reached that level watching her journey and Watching her start from being like, I guess this quote unquote, like, tacky wag, to then, like, refining her style. I didn't even know that that's how people felt about her at the time because I was, like, 10. That was really interesting to watch, like, what she's overcome. Watching how she put David in, like, millions of dollars of debt. I had no idea about that either.

[B]

There were two moments of, like, real honesty. And I really appreciated the transparency in her. Just, like, saying, like, even though it's their money, but, yes, he was the one. And him talking about how, like, when they met, like, she was the rich one. She was the one who bought that house for them, and she was one who paid for the wedding, and she was one who did everything because he was this little soccer star. And then, of course, things changed and she. He's. I think they said, like, $39 million in debt for her fashion brand. That was, like, very honest. And I didn't expect them to be so open about the numbers. And then also she was really honest about, like, her phase with, like, anorexia and how, like, it was just the only thing she could control and kind of like a stereotypical story of a woman in media and how she overcame that. So I wasn't expecting her to address either of those things as head on as she did. And so that was compelling. But overall, I think the documentary fell flat for me, even though I enjoyed it immensely. Like, Eva Longoria. Slayer.

[A]

Yeah. And then keep cutting back to, like, this big fashion show in Paris. It's just like, really. And that seems really stressful, right? Like, yeah, that you rented a castle on the outskirts of town and all these big people are coming and it won't stop raining. And, like, the models and the mud. Stressful.

[B]

Kim. There's people that are dying.

[A]

Like, like, you really couldn't go. And it was just this whole big production. Like, I just don't. But that's just like, I'm not a fashion person. I don't get the significance. And from my perch, like, I remember some of her more recent shows because she did start, like, her business back up again. The one that, like, Kim went to. Remember when Kim was, like, super late. So I'm like, why do you have to make it so hard? Why do you have to be in a castle outside, like, in elements that you can control in a venue that's never hosted a fashion show before? Like, how much is this costing? And I also appreciated how she was very honest about the fact that when she was like, Running her business into debt. Like, the expenses were. Were insane. Because they didn't have to be. They didn't have to lose all that money.

[B]

Yeah. But it was just. They couldn't stop. Like it was a snowball down the hill. Also, not Tom Ford being in the documentary. Like, she really did have A plus. Not a Spice Girl, though. She didn't want to get into that.

[A]

Yeah. I'm sorry. I need to understand, like, your whole life is theater. Then you get the Spice Girls. We didn't mean. And she talked about the Spice Girls only positively.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Then we broke up and I had an identity. Why did you break up? Like, I don't understand. I still don't understand. We were Spice Girls fans at the time.

[B]

Yeah. There were big holes in the documentary and I just feel like she came into it with like a clear goal. I think they saw a lot of success from the David documentary. Like all their businesses just sort of rising their celebrity, rising everything. And so I think she wanted to like target that as she should business. But when they started talking about her beauty and then showing her Instagram stories, like, of her being so real and honest about makeup, like it was giving infomercial.

[A]

Yeah. It wasn't Marshal, which I will accept a degree of infomercial when I watch Kardashians. When I watch everyone's got Business. Like do your business but you. You need to. It needs to be balanced. And I'm. And some people don't have the other thing, the stuff with which to balance it. They are all their business and, you know, everything else is either not interesting or just not happening for them. She has something. Such an interesting life. And I just felt like they were keeping stuff from us. I don't know why. Yeah.

[B]

The best part was her making a tick tock with Harper.

[A]

And I don't even. What's funny is like, of course Nickla and Brooklyn were not in it. They were not addressed.

[B]

Well. Yes, they were. When at the show they. She said, my kids are here, Brooklyn and Nicola. And then they cut to like them just like standing and taking a photo.

[A]

They were at that friend show.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, so I guess the beef hadn't even started by then.

[B]

Or they were just still like.

[A]

No, they. I think they were still good because I think everything went south with like the 50th birthday party.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

David at the end was talking about how he's going to be turning 50, so maybe things were still got it.

[B]

Good or they were just like fine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's a mutually beneficial. Like Nicola to Be front row at Paris Fashion Week is very good for her. For Victoria, having these two young, hot things at her show, front row, like, it's a mutually beneficial event. I could see them both wanting to.

[A]

Go, but what I was going to say is, even if they were already beefing, it's not like I was looking for that from the documentary. Like, you don't have to carry your dirty.

[B]

Of course. Of course.

[A]

Like, I don't need to see your dirty underwear.

[B]

Some things can be kept private.

[A]

But, like, why did Spice Girls break up? And literally, then what happened? You know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that's the latest with the Beckhams. Our next story, a little TV news that I'm actually kind of obsessed with. Taisha Adams and Tyler Cameron will judge HGTV's Bachelor Mansion renovation show. That will be a competition show for renovating the Bachelor mansion. And the competitors are former Bachelor contestants, and it's hosted by Jesse Palmer. Oh, yeah. And the contestants are out. And so this is called.

[B]

Wait, so how. How is Taisha and Tyler involved?

[A]

They're the judges.

[B]

They're the judges. Jesse is the host.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

And then over six episodes, they will be joined by surprise, surprise guest judges to judge the contestants. Renovation skills on the iconic reality TV site. So the guest judges.

[B]

Contestants are.

[A]

Yes, and we'll get into the former. Okay, we'll get into the contestants from all the shows. Bachelor, Bachelorette, Bachelor of Paradise. Right. Of course. Golden Bachelor and Golden Bachelorette.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And the guest judges will also be from those shows.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

While they renovate the Bachelor Mansion. I don't know how, like, 12 people get a chance to renovate one place.

[B]

Maybe there's, like, challenges on different corners of the house. I don't know.

[A]

That sounds like it's gonna make for a really mess, disjointed house.

[B]

But also, like, the lore of the Bachelor Mansion is that it's always been owned by someone. There's, like, a family who owns it and, like, makes lots of money. They just rent it out. But now with the renovations, I feel like the network had to have bought it. How do you renovate a house that you're renting?

[A]

I don't know. I hope at this point that they've bought it.

[B]

But they've just bought it. Right.

[A]

They said that, like, when they found out that the property needed a renovation, that they, you know, just had to bring it to HGTV and Bachelor Nation.

[B]

Well, we have been really, like, hard on the Bachelor franchise because in terms of, like, reality tv, they were the biggest and the Baddest. And they've so fallen behind all the streamers and they're so irrelevant in the real, like, mix of reality tv. But it does feel like somebody, like, got poached from, like, Netflix or Hulu and now works at abc. And they're actually stepping their up, like Taylor, Frankie, Paul. The Golden Bachelor franchises have been really good. Now, this is. This is the exact type of we need. Like, it's giving, you know, perfect. Sex on the beach, couple. Whatever it's called.

[A]

Yeah. Alumni shows.

[B]

Melting pot. Yes, exactly.

[A]

But in a way that works. It's also airing on hgtv, so it's, like, kind of perfect. Here are the contestants. And I don't know why it's these contestants and if they have any construction or design background, so I would hope so. Dean Bell. We all know Dean. Deanie babies.

[B]

He definitely doesn't do construction. He lives in a van.

[A]

Yeah. He doesn't even have home, let alone. Right.

[B]

You can't build home if you don't have one.

[A]

I do think by now, like, him and Caitlin have a home.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She was at Dancing with the Stars last night.

[B]

Was she?

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. Nick Vile was there, and Natalie was there, and Caitlin. They were all, like, in the front row.

[B]

I do think it used to be, like, you would come as, like, a friend of a contestant, but now it's sort of like a red carpet, like, affair.

[A]

Yeah. It's just a fun thing to do. But also, like, Dylan was just on Vile Files. I think maybe him and.

[B]

Oh, yeah, Friends. Yes, yes, yes. That's also true.

[A]

Jill Chen is the next contestant. Bachelor season 26. And I don't think. I think she's after my time.

[B]

Okay. I just want to say producer in my ear, letting me know. Dean does do construction. He, like, renovates his own house and everything.

[A]

Okay. Does Jill Chin do production?

[B]

I'm not sure, but, like, I think it's safe to assume that all the contestants do.

[A]

Okay. Noah Herb, he was Bachelor at season 16. I forget who that is. They need to do the lead's name. No, he was with Abigail.

[B]

He was the lead.

[A]

No, no, no, no.

[B]

Yeah, he won. I mean, sorry. He's married to Abigail.

[A]

Abigail. Yeah, that's how I know him from Paris.

[B]

They're really cute. She comes up on my TikTok a lot.

[A]

Yeah. Alicia Gupta, The Bachelor, season 29.

[B]

That's so after my time.

[A]

Tammy Lee, The Bachelor, season 24. I forget who the Bachelor was, but I remember Tammy, and she was on Bachelor in Paradise. She was Starting stuff. She's a stuff starter for sure. Sandra Mason, golden Bachelor season one.

[B]

Okay, Sandra, get in there.

[A]

Sam McKinney, Bachelorette season 21 passed our time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Brendan Murray, Bachelor at season 16. Yeah, I know this face. He was. He's in it from our time. Courtney Robertson from Bachelor season 16. She won her season. You know, she was like, the most. She was like the villain of her season. And she was. He looks like Josh Groban. I can't remember his name. They're not together anymore, of course.

[B]

Courtney Robertson.

[A]

Who was the man?

[B]

Yeah, this guy. He does look like Ben Fladnick. He does look like Josh Groban. That's an amazing call.

[A]

So, like, does she wear construction she.

[B]

Or interior design? She must.

[A]

And this is her first coming back to the franchise since Ben Flagnick season.

[B]

Well, these, like, don't know what it was like. You know, everybody thinks, like, reality TV now. Not to be such a grandma, but, like, there was a time Ben Fladnick, like, that's all I'll say.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, our favorite contestant that we've never watched, Jeremy Simon.

[B]

Jeremy.

[A]

Jeremy Simon. If you don't remember him, he was on Gen season and he shared with her that his great, great grandfather was like the chief rabbi of.

[B]

Of Lithuania.

[A]

Lithuania before the Holocaust. And it's very significant to him.

[B]

And we're pretty sure we're related to Jeremy Simon because we also had, like, a. A family member deep down the lineage who was like a big rabbi.

[A]

We are definitely related to him, but far enough removed that, like, we could still set him up with Sachi, with.

[B]

Margot, a thousand percent.

[A]

Honestly, this show looks so good. Then Christopher Stallworth, who's from Golden Bachelorette season one. I feel like anyone who's from Golden Bachelor, like, could win this because they'll have just so much experience.

[B]

Yeah. I honestly, I think that this is brilliant. I also love them tapping Tyler C. And Jones.

[A]

I think people know her. I think she looks familiar to me. I think she won.

[B]

I know Joan.

[A]

Okay. She's the last one.

[B]

I think Joan was like, the scorned woman. Teresa.

[A]

Teresa.

[B]

Yeah. I think it was like Teresa and Joan understood.

[A]

Was Joan the Golden Bachelorette?

[B]

She might have been. I don't know.

[A]

Yes, she was.

[B]

Well, all that to say, like, good job to, like, good job. Oh, speaking of jobs, we're gonna talk about Apple tv. Apple TV Plus.

[A]

No.

[B]

You know, they're dropping the plus. I heard rebrand over at Apple TV Plus. The plus is no more.

[A]

I just can't believe, like, people are seeing this stuff. And they're like, oh, we should like. And they're seeing the reactions to it, like Max dropping Max. And they're like, oh, we should do something like that. Like, that's a good idea. I don't know.

[B]

It's kind of like an attention type of thing. Like they saw how much attention HBO got for dropping the 8 drop. Putting, dropping and then putting back in the HBO. And yes, while everybody was clowning on them, making fun of them, they were talking about them. So maybe Apple TV was like, I want people to talk about us too. Let's do something just as stupid. Let's drop the plus.

[A]

The plus and the never fucking made sense.

[B]

The plus never made sense. But it never made sense without the plus either. Because Apple TV is also something you can physically purchase without having a subscription. Do you know what I mean?

[A]

But everyone calls it Apple tv. Like it's on Apple.

[B]

It should just be called Apple I actually. And then Apple TV is the thing you buy to like plug into your TV when you want to watch Netflix. Yeah, because that's what I. When you say Apple tv, I'm thinking of the little black box with the HDMI cord.

[A]

Yeah, but if I'm like, the Buccaneers is on Apple tv, I would never hit the plus.

[B]

No, you would never hit the plus. But I would never even hit the tv. Like, what? Ted Lasso's on Apple.

[A]

The thing is, we don't talk about their show like it's a non issue. We as a.

[B]

They had one good show.

[A]

No one's really talking about their shows and where you can stream them.

[B]

And to be clear, we all interact with Apple TV plus in the same way. Right. Like there's one show that gets popular, you buy it, you watch it, and then you cancel. Ted Lasso. Friends and lovers, enemies high places. What's that show called?

[A]

Good Neighbors and Friends. Love your name.

[B]

Your friends and Naders. Everybody was talking about it. I bought Apple TV plus, canceled it when it was over. Like, that's just what it is.

[A]

I leave my subscriptions going. But you're better because you're financially reckless. No, I just like, like I, I hate that feeling of like, what's my password? I need to make a login. Like, I just want ease. And because I'm a cord cutter, I cut my cord for this reason so that I can have my.

[B]

So you could be free.

[A]

So I'm a pick of the litter.

[B]

But I don't know if you can call yourself a cord cutter if you still have YouTube TV. Honestly, YouTube TV is cable.

[A]

Well, that's why. That's why I'm not hurting as a cord cutter, but I am a cord cutter.

[B]

No, people who are cord cutters, like, live with streaming services, and they. When there's, like, something on cable, like, they watch it on Hulu the next day. Like Dancing with the stars.

[A]

No, just YouTube.

[B]

You're not living the life of a cord cutter.

[A]

Had, like, circumvented cord cutting so that we're not feeling pain. But, like, that's what it was meant.

[B]

For your cord cutting asterisk, I guess.

[A]

But, like, I. No, I don't have traditional cable. I don't have a cable bill. I cut that.

[B]

You don't have a cable box. You don't have, like, a cord into the cable wall, but you watch cable. Just saying.

[A]

But I'm not a cable cutter. I'm a cord cutter.

[B]

Sure. Cord cutting implies cable cutting as well. I'm just saying.

[A]

Well, we do have some other streaming news that I felt was very pertinent to some of our favorite topics here at the show.

[B]

Oh, is it podcast going to be on Netflix? Yeah. I love that.

[A]

Netflix will stream a selection of Spotify video podcasts starting in 2026. No, we are not one of them. But we're not.

[B]

We're not gonna be.

[A]

Not yet.

[B]

Not yet.

[A]

So we could be.

[B]

Because as you guys know, we are an official Spotify podcast. And if you wanted to watch us.

[A]

On Spotify, you could, which is, like, coincidentally happened. And now Netflix is like, oh, Spotify video podcast. We'll take you.

[B]

I love this, and I just want to say. Okay, sorry, you go.

[A]

Here are the details for people who hadn't already heard this amazing podcasting, Netflix is officially diving into the podcast biz. The video streaming giant inked a deal with Spotify to bring a batch of top original podcasts. So they're also the originals. Like, we're not a Spotify original podcast. No, we're not.

[B]

We're not.

[A]

We're not. Maybe that's like the second wave.

[B]

Yeah, right. We'll get there. Don't rush, Jackie. Don't rush our life away.

[A]

Right. Let them be the pilot's experiment.

[B]

Yeah, right. The guinea pig.

[A]

Like, say that it failed because of them. Like, not because of us.

[B]

Right? Not us.

[A]

We'll come.

[B]

Blame us, Jackie. They can't blame us if it flops.

[A]

Including a podcast from Bill Simmons is the ringer to subscribers worldwide. The company's not disclose terms of the pact, including how long the deals run, but the partnership will bring sports culture Lifestyle and true crime podcasts from Spotify Studios and the Ringer that complement Netflix's existing programming and unlocks new audiences and wider distribution for the shows. So you'll be able to watch these batch of shows on Netflix.

[B]

Obviously not to center ourselves and make everything about us, but it does make the potential of us being on, like, a major streaming service one day like a reality. We don't sound crazy. So for that, like, I'm excited. I'm excited for my fellow podcasters, excited for everybody who's going to get visibility on, like, a huge streaming service. And this is just exciting and this is like a huge win for us, like, independent journalists, you know, independent media. And, you know, we are an independent media company.

[A]

Not to get ahead of myself, because we're not on this program yet, but if we were to be on this program, like, that would mean the frames would be on Netflix.

[B]

And, and after everything Testament through, it's just a testament to the haters being their motivators.

[A]

Yeah, like, they started from the bottom. Now we're not on Netflix, but we could be and we might be. No one has approached us about being on Netflix, by the way, but this just feels like this is where the industry is going, so maybe it'll be something else. I would love, like, I love your flicks Net, but yeah, I would.

[B]

But I'm obviously open to being able to stream on Hulu.

[A]

I'm open to Apple tv, Drop the plus. I love your rebrand.

[B]

Yes, Max, of course we would love to have you. Yeah, I'd even take, you know, Peacock Discovery, plus, whatever.

[A]

Hulu.

[B]

Yeah, I said, I read that already.

[A]

Rising tides Raise all shines. This is great for everyone. And you know what? Even if they, like, even if it never happened to us, I'm happy for my, my friends in podcasting because I'm just really passionate about the space now.

[B]

Not to be a hater, but did you, like, look at the list of podcasts and say to yourself, who? Like, of course I've heard of Bill Simmons and like his Ringer Network. I've never seen a clip or listened to a minute of it, but I know it's popular. And so I'm happy for his fans. Like the other ones. I was like, who are these people?

[A]

So it's a lot of sports and I, I, I couldn't say, like, it's if I haven't heard of them. That doesn't mean anything.

[B]

Read them to me.

[A]

Bill Simmons Podcast, the Zach Lowe show, the McShay Show, Fairway Rolling the Mismatch the Ringer F1 Show, Thringer Fantasy Football show, the Ringer NFL show, the Ringer NBA show, then Culture and Lifestyle, the Rewatchables, the Big Picture, the Dave Chang show, the Recipe Club Dissect and True Crime is Conspiracy Theories and Serial Killers. I do think I don't know how many of those, but I do think like almost 100% are the ringer shows. I think it's really like a pilot program with the Ringer because Spotify with the Ringer.

[B]

Got it. Okay. Well I love that because the Ringer shows, while I've again never heard or seen them, they are really popular amongst people whom I don't know. So I want the pilot to be successful.

[A]

Yeah. So Ringer fans stream Ringer on Netflix.

[B]

I think a lot of people like finagle their podcasts and get them on TV like they're airplaying. They go to the YouTube app. So so this is just a more streamlined way of what people are already doing for the cord cutters, for the cord cutting community.

[A]

Another win for the cord cutting community. More content for us.

[B]

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[A]

Thank you Turt.

[B]

You're welcome, Turto.

[A]

Our fourth story is some really surprising news for Vanderpump Rules fans, which is that Lala Ken and Sheena Shea are no longer speaking and their friendship has reached a point of no return. Lala and Sheena's relationship will likely never be the same. During a recent interview with Page Six, Lala was eager to talk about her return to reality tv. Yes, she is doing the Valley like full time.

[B]

Like Sheena is not. And Sheena actually had the producer of the show on her podcast to sort of. Because everybody would have said like Sheena's not on the Valley because like they didn't want her. But she was offered a role and she declined it and had Alex Baskin on her podcast to sort of like validate that that was true because no one would have believed it otherwise.

[A]

Right? Did she say why she did?

[B]

She said she read a comment. I actually thought this was really profound. And shout out to the person on Tick tock who recapped the whole interview for me because I did not watch it. His name is Josh. She read a. She read a comment about herself that, like, really shifted her perspective. They were like, Sheena's like, the senior who graduates high school and comes back, like, knocking on the door is like, being like, I used to go here. And she did not want to be that. And she said that really affected her. And then she also saw how Paige left Summer House and actually called Paige for advice, and really, all of that empowered her to make this big decision.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. I thought that was really interesting.

[A]

That is interesting. I don't. I'll have to watch the next season of the Valley and see how it goes. But, like, it's not like she's trying to go back to high school and, like, beyond Vanderpump rules. Like. Like, the Valley is college. Like, I. I agree. I actually feel like she's being a little hard on herself.

[B]

Me too. And I think the Valley could have used a person like Sheena. She was, like, literally this ethereal figure on it anyways, that we're always talking about. Yeah. She had told me this. She was, like, literally starting drama.

[A]

Like, her absence is kind of glaring. It's not like she's, like, forcing her. Who told you this? Big room?

[B]

Or who told you?

[A]

Right. She's, like, forcing. It's not like she's forcing herself into a cast or position where, like, she doesn't fit or she's not friends with these people. Like, when they tried to do Vanderpump younger, and she's, like, hooking up with, like, Max or whatever.

[B]

Brett, that.

[A]

That was the senior going back to high school.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm sure there were other things factored into her decision, but I actually hope it wasn't just that common, because I don't think that's an accurate take on the situation.

[B]

Me neither. And I think the phase of life that she's in, it's perfect for the valet.

[A]

Right. So, yes, she talked about her. Lala's talking about her return to reality TV life with two kids in the rebrand of her podcast, but she refused to speak about Sheena. She said, I think I've said everything I need to say on that situation. Whether she was asked whether there was a path forward with Sheena, she was. They were shot down. Once again, she said, I'm not even going to discuss her at all. So according to Lala, Sheena is upset that Lala didn't promote Sheena's memoir in the way that she wanted.

[B]

To Sheena had sent everybody copies of the book. And Lala, like, didn't. She did post about it, but, like, very, like, just tagging Sheena, like, not emphatically so proud of my friend. And I think that when Lala's book had come out, Sheena had done the opposite. And so Sheena was, like, disappointed at, like, the lack of energy for her memoir.

[A]

Yeah, I would say that is probably.

[B]

She did it. Oh, sorry. She also did it after, like, the pre sale window. So, like, when you're writing a book, you have. You announce the book like, three months before and then up until the first week that the book is out. All of those numbers count towards pre sale if you want to make the New York Times bestsellers list list. So I think Lala posted about it, like, after that window.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, Lala wrote a book. I think it was a bestseller. So, like, she knows that, like, the important, you know, six days when the book is out, like, and she just sort of like, stalled and waited. And I think Sheena thought it was maybe intentional.

[A]

So I think that it probably was intentional and it was a symptom of an already deteriorating friendship. Not the thing that, like, oh, Lola just didn't get around to it. And that bothered Sheena, like, right. I think the friendship was on the rocks according to Sheena. The issue is that after confiding in Lala about her husband's past affair, Lala then repeated it to someone in their circle. Oh, so that could have been what started the issues then. They're having issues then. You want me to promote your book? I'll do it. A little lacklustry because we're not the best of friends right now. So I actually think, like, both stories are true. It's just a matter of, like, when the beef started.

[B]

Yeah, well, that's actually like a crazy thing for Lala to have done, if true. And you know what? I would love to see this play out on a reality show because this is actually interesting stuff, right? These two being on TV for the last three years, giving us nothing.

[A]

But also this is really crazy because, like, they were living their lives like, like sister wives the last few years. Like, they both have daughters the same age who are best friends. Like, Lala had said that, like, she felt like Brock was like. Like she. They were in a thruffle. Like that Brock felt like a father to her daughters. Like, they're so close. They just bought houses both in the valley. They have both houses in Palm Springs. They were doing everything together. Like, this isn't Just like a. A friendship that petered out like any other celebrity or reality TV friendship. Like, they had like, melded their lives together. So like, I. It's so crazy that that could to be so rocky.

[B]

And it's crazy that they got to this place while not being on tv because I think tv, like, really is so toxic and it destroys relationships like that. So when you get out of it, like, you're finally free. And so for the relationship to have thrived in such a toxic environment and then deteriorated once they're both free, like, that's weird.

[A]

Yeah. I wonder if anything of it has to do with Lala in the Valley, like, if she said anything on the show. She also said that, like, she's having a lot of anxiety about beyond the Valley even when she films. Like, she gets really worried actually afterwards because she can't like, shut up. And she like, gets really worried about, like, fan reactions afterwards. Ever since, like, Scandal, she's like, not kidding.

[B]

Where she became like the villain of Scandival, which is crazy.

[A]

Yeah. And that just like, has really affected her and given her anxiety. But I also think that's like, you know, just growing up, like, you just start to like, care more. Yeah. But it can affect your ability to do your job. But I'm excited to see her on the Valley. I was promised her on the Valley this season and I didn't get that. And then did you see that she posted with Tom Schwartz?

[B]

I did.

[A]

Soft, Soft launch.

[B]

I did.

[A]

I don't want to read too much into it because, like, I don't want to get my hopes up.

[B]

No. And I think they know, like, the lore.

[A]

I think they're slowly falling in love.

[B]

Document it. Like, seriously. Cameras up.

[A]

That's how the story ends.

[B]

Even though Lala, like, needs and deserves, like, so much more than him. Like, like, he is awful. I feel like we don't even think about it anymore because, like, in the divorce, like, Katie was also a villain. Like, she wasn't like a sympathetic person. But oh my God, he was the worst husband to her on the planet.

[A]

So I agree.

[B]

But and Lala needs. So like, Lala demands she has two kids. Like, she just needs more.

[A]

She needs a man. However, I think the best of Schwartz, like, take away the worst of him, which was like, we saw it all. And I agree with you. And he said he sucks and he was a bad husband. But when he's at his best, that could actually be like the soft landing place for Lala.

[B]

Sure, like, very idealistic of you.

[A]

And I sure, sure Just saying I'll never give up, but I'm not gonna go. I'm not walking down this path, like, because I do feel so delusional. But they're, like, playing into my delusions.

[B]

It's not like maybe. Maybe while they're playing, they'll.

[A]

They're falling.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yeah. Are you ready for our Fifth Amendment story? So much TV news today. We're just like a bunch of tv.

[B]

I told you. We are in our cable era. Even though we cord. We cut the cord.

[A]

Yeah. Well, last night, Dancing with the Stars dedication night ended with a new couple on top and no elimination.

[B]

Wait, who was on top? Not Whitney.

[A]

And not Whitney and. And Mark. It was Dylan and Daniella. And they did dance really nicely. I wouldn't have, like, I always. I never really pay attention to the scores. And then at the end, I'm like, wait, that person did the highest.

[B]

Right, Right.

[A]

So it's kind of surprising that they got the best scores, but they. Everyone did. I forget what the name of it was, like, freestyle. It was very, like, lyrical. Barefoot, you know, jumping.

[B]

So Dance moms.

[A]

It was, like, very beautiful. That's a nice style of dance. And I feel like it's not easy to excel in it, but, like, comfortable for people. And it looks really beautiful. So they looked really great. They danced to Rewrite the Stars from Greatest Showman, and he dedicated it to his little sister. She's five. And the way that he was describing, like, her and their relationship was actually adorable. And I was like, fine, it's okay if Zach's not here. And they did mention Zach and how Zach is, like, always that Zach has always been there for him. Like, he's just the best brother. And. And that's what Dylan wants to be too. Olivia, the little sister.

[B]

No.

[A]

And they danced to Rewrite the Stars. Like, it was okay.

[B]

No, I'm telling you, Zach. Zach is, like, hating how famous Dylan is.

[A]

Zach should have been in the audience because everyone was obviously everyone who was remotely connected to a dance. And I was in.

[B]

Now that Kris Jenner has sat in the audience at Dancing with the Stars, nobody else has any excuse. Like, maybe at one time it would have been considered, like, low brow reality tv. Like, oh, I do film. No, Now, Chris went. Anyone can go. Alec Baldwin was there. Please.

[A]

Yeah. So we'll go in order of the dances. First was Andy and Emma. I actually missed their dance. I didn't tune in on time, so I don't know how it went, but they got a 24 out of 40, which is, like, really low 40.

[B]

Oh. Because there was four.

[A]

Four judges. And I also. I haven't seen anything about their dance anywhere. I feel like it was his. It was, like, finally his flop night. And he would have gone home, but there was no elimination. At the end, they were like, everyone's staying. We're not gonna send anyone home on such an emotional night.

[B]

I mean, I guess that we would be sitting here if they, like, sent someone home who, like, dedicated it to, like, their grandmother. We would have been like, that's crazy. So I actually agree, even though, like, what a waste of my time. Like, I'm here to see who wins and nobody goes home. But if they did, we would have said it was really crazy. So I understand why they didn't for sure. But I'm Andy's number one fan, and I feel as though it's his time.

[A]

Yeah, his time has come, and I think that's, like, fine. And now we'll get one more dance, and then it's time for him to go home. You know, it's the big dogs now. Plus, there's still so many people there. Then Robert Irwin and Whitney Carson danced in dedication to Robert's mom, who was like. After his dad passed away was a single mom. And, like, I think that was the most moving tribute of the evening for everyone. They got a 35 out of 40. The dancing was. He danced really well. I.

[B]

When I'm watching, I loved how they incorporated her.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, that.

[B]

I know what. I agree with what you're saying. Like, there. It's a. There's a weirdness when you throw a third person and it looks unnatural. And I watched their dance, and I thought it was perfectly done.

[A]

Yeah. And it was the first one I saw of the night. So it's like the camera went to him, and then Whitney swapped out for the mother, and it was, like, perfect. It wasn't like three people, like, doing a throuple dance.

[B]

No real weirdness. And then when Bindi was on, like, she had dedicated it to the dad, so now they've, like, covered all the parents. It was very beautiful.

[A]

It was very beautiful. I think, like, it was the best use of dedication night and execution. When I'm watching him dance, I, like, have to try not to watch Whitney because, like, then it's all times for me. But then I'm like, well, that's not fair. And also, I want my joy, like, right. So I go back to watching both of them. But I do struggle with that when I'm trying to evaluate dances. Elaine Hendricks and Alan Burstyn she danced for Chessy and talked about their friendship since Parent Trap, and she doesn't have any siblings. And, like, and her mom passed away, and Chessy has just been like family to her. Dennis Quaid was in the audience.

[B]

I saw.

[A]

And this was a dance where three people dancing made me feel weird.

[B]

Yeah, I'm gonna look past that because, like, the fact that these two are such good friends, like, real friends, I find so shocking, and I find so sweet, and I really love. And, like, then just hearing the background about how it's like, she's been there for her when nobody else was, like, I love it. I'm sorry. I also won't say anything bad.

[A]

They couldn't send anyone home based on the dancing because, like, it's not there to judge when there's a third person in there. It's like that third person is slowing down the dance moves. They obviously don't have the training. We're, like, not judging the third person's dancing. But if they didn't do so good, then the dance looked bad. Like, it was just not, like, actually productive for competition, but okay. Like, it was sweet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then we had Whitney Leavitt and Mark Ballas. They danced with Whitney's husband. This was, like, a weird one to watch. And Whitney and Mark got 33 out of 40. They were not at the top of the pack. She danced really well. They were out of sync. Like, she was going faster than him. Yeah, I noticed it. And then they said it too. You know, she always looks amazing. And, of course, her dance is, like, better than anyone who probably got a better score than her. But if she's being judged against herself, especially after last week, it wasn't the best dance. It was kind of all over the place.

[B]

I just am happy that her and her husband are, like, having this moment, because that first season of Sex Lives of Mormon Wives was really a lot about them and his, like, Tinder, whatever. Yeah, right, right. So the fact that they're sort of, like, tying it up in a bow, and I really do think that they have a good marriage despite, like, all the drama. I think he's, like, really shown up and, like, supported her so much. I think he, like, takes care of kids, like, 100%.

[A]

He quit his job. He moved across the country. He's with the kids all the time. I think they're really a beautiful testament to, like, working on, like, seriously hard issues and coming through the other side. He was so honored that she chose to dedicate it to him, like, all sweet. I really. I like I ship. I love them. And Mark.

[B]

Yeah. No, they needed this.

[A]

The theme for their dance was, like, Mark was fame coming between them. It did just look like another man.

[B]

Coming between, of course. And like, three people dancing. Yeah.

[A]

Then Jen Affleck and Jan Rovnik. Their scores make no sense to me. They got 29 out of 40. I thought it was beautiful. They danced for Jen's mom. It was emotional. Like, she danced beautifully. She's being scored harder than anyone else. When once again, all I'm asking is for is the same, first of all, like, the same handicap that you would put on, like, Andy Richter, like, put on the postpartum. I'm also asking for a postpartum handicap. I want her getting a better scores, but I would settle for, like, just fair. Like, why she's always getting bad scores. She's not a bad dancer. And last night was beautiful. Like, 29. Are you crazy?

[B]

No. Her video really made me cry.

[A]

Crazy. Dylan and Daniella, 36 out of 40. We discussed Jordan Childs dance for her dad. She got 32 out of 40. It was really cute. It was.

[B]

I saw it, like, he was, like, standing, watching.

[A]

He stood in my. It was. It was really great. Like, there's not much.

[B]

She's a real contender. Yeah.

[A]

But she wasn't contending last night because, like, we were, like, telling a story about fatherhood.

[B]

Right. So last night was just sort of like a neutral episode for everyone.

[A]

Yeah. Then Scott Hoying and riley, they got 30 out of 40. He danced for his husband. They announced that they're expecting a baby.

[B]

I saw that on Tick tock.

[A]

The dance.

[B]

I don't remember being compelling.

[A]

Exactly. Danielle Fishel and Pasha, they danced for Mr. Feeny. They got 29 out of 40. They did the jive for Mr. Feeney.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

I love to do the jive for Mr. Feeny. I really do. Yeah. They had set up a fake principal's desk.

[B]

Desk. Okay. That's what I saw on.

[A]

They had him there. So they started the dance there with him just, like, standing there. And then they ended the dance there too, with him there. So he didn't. They did sort of dance around him a little bit, like I said.

[B]

Okay, well, that's cute, by the way. And that's hard, like, by the way, for everybody. Having to incorporate a third person. Having to incorporate a third person with, like, limited mobility is actually much harder.

[A]

So it wound up being better because I don't want to watch three people dancing. Right. As I've previously discussed.

[B]

No. I love Danielle Fischl. I'm like, so in my Topanga era.

[A]

That is so funny. You're 20 years too late.

[B]

I'm 20 years late. Yeah. But again, I never watched a show growing up, and it's like, wow, she.

[A]

Is really pretty, like, and were showing clips from Boy Meets World. She talked about, like, the impact that he had on her. I think she said, like, he saved her life. And like, even in the. The show, in the last scene where I guess she's graduating from high school and she says goodbye to Mr. Feeny and they're, like, crying, she's like, we only had to do one take. Like, that was the one. Because it was all very real.

[B]

Oh, that's really cute.

[A]

Yeah, it was cute. Shout out, mister.

[B]

Really cute. Shout out.

[A]

And then last was Alex, Earl and Val. They danced for Alex's little sis. You told us the beautiful story and she shared that. Yeah, she shared that how, like, the sister healed her family and showed her, like, what family is, what it means to be family, and, like, what family can look like. And it was adorable. The sister was so cute. She was so excited to be there. I thought that the. The dynamic of the three of them was one of the better ways 3 people dancing incorporated could work. But it was also very, like, big sis, little sis. Like, she was, like, carrying her on. It was, like, so ethereal. The girls were, like, barefoot in their little fairy dress. 35 out of 40.

[B]

Good. So what was the highest score?

[A]

Dylan ending yellow with 36.

[B]

Wow. Okay. Go, Alex.

[A]

Robert Irwin and Alex tied for second. That feels right.

[B]

Yeah, I know. I feel like I bring it up all the time, but, like, Alex Earl's family dynamic will never not be the craziest thing to me.

[A]

And in the audience was her dad, her stepmom, and her mom sitting next to each other.

[B]

Shout out to that mom. Okay. Shout out, Mrs. I don't know your name. I don't know.

[A]

Nay Earl.

[B]

Like, seriously, Queen. So mature, and she's so gorgeous. I don't know if she's married or anything. Get that girl. Like, where's Brad Pitt? That's who he should be with her Golden Bachelorette. No, she's too good for that. She's independently wealthy. Like, she doesn't need. Well, I don't.

[A]

I feel like, like, quality people go.

[B]

On that show, you know, like, for sure, but she doesn't eat it.

[A]

Like, I think she has.

[B]

I feel like she has inner peace.

[A]

That would be such a slay.

[B]

Yeah, but she shouldn't have to go on the Golden Bachelor to be the Golden Bachelorette.

[A]

No. Oh, I agree. No Taylor. Frankie. But she shouldn't have to slum right to the top. Yeah.

[B]

Like, they're giving the Matt James effect.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that. That is what I'm saying. No, she should not be a confession on the golden Bachelor. Golden Bachelorette.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

And it's a Disney Hulu. ABC Family.

[B]

Family. Yeah. Well, thanks for the recap. I'll be back. I'll really try. But, like, it was a good night.

[A]

Because no one went home.

[B]

Totally. And if somebody has, like a hack, like a VPN or something, let me know. But also, I'm trying to go to taping.

[A]

Go to the taping. Next week is wicked week, which I'm excited about.

[B]

I know that's a good theme.

[A]

I wonder if they're gonna send two people home to make up for this week. I feel like they should.

[B]

Right? Like a Glinda and an Elphaba.

[A]

Yeah. Or just like two people. Because we need to get this show on the road. There's a million contestants, and we're halfway through. Through the season.

[B]

Yeah. No, it's time. Yeah. But I. But you also have to remember that they don't elim. They stop eliminating. The final episode is four people.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

Okay. So if there's 10 people left, there's technically only six episodes left.

[A]

Okay. Fair, but still show on the road.

[B]

Emmy to that person. That song is really somebody. They should dance to that for, like, the finale.

[A]

They should. They had all their troops going last night. Julianne danced.

[B]

Oh, go, Julianne. One thing about Julianne, she's gonna dance.

[A]

I missed the opening number, which has become to be my favorite part because I just. I love dancing.

[B]

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[A]

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