Jon and Alex with Alex and Jon: Wednesday, December 10th, 2025

Summary

The Toast Podcast – Episode Summary

Podcast: The Toast by Dear Media
Episode: Jon and Alex with Alex and Jon: Wednesday, December 10th, 2025
Date: December 10, 2025
Hosts: Claudia Oshry (A), with guests Alex (B) & John (C)

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Overview

This episode of The Toast features Claudia Oshry in conversation with dynamic content creator couple Alex and John as they reflect on marriage, parenthood, digital fame, and hard life lessons. Bouncing between sincerity and humor, the conversation covers everything from creative approaches to parenting online, handling loss and grief, boundaries on social media, to favorite pop culture obsessions. The chemistry is lively, open, and relatable—a warm exploration of modern life on (and off) the Internet.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Meet Alex and John: Marriage & Digital Fame

• Claudia found Alex & John's content on TikTok, drawn in by their take on funny married life content (01:09–01:40).
• Married for 6 years, content creators since 2020, blending authentic glimpses of marriage, humor, and life’s milestones (01:14–01:33).
• Discussed their 'DINK' (Dual Income, No Kids) phase, acknowledging public misconceptions about declaring never to have children (02:44–03:08).

Notable quote:
_"Everyone thought that we always were, like, anti having kids. Never said that. We just leaned into dink content." – John (02:51)

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2. Navigating Public Reactions & Parasocial Relationships

• Upon announcing pregnancy, Alex and John received strong—sometimes bizarre—reactions from fans who felt "betrayed."
• Claudia reflects on the peculiar intensity of audience emotional investment in creators' life choices (03:08–03:53).

Notable quote:
_"I can't think of one person on the Internet... that a decision in their life... would impact me to the point that I'm like, I need to comment on this..." – Alex (03:27)

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3. Openness, Loss, and Healing through Humor

• Alex and John share candidly about miscarriage at 26 weeks and their decision to process grief both privately and with their audience (04:11–06:54).
• Broached use of dark humor and online content as a coping mechanism; they discuss the infamous DINK “resignation” comedy sketch that processed their loss (05:13–06:52).

Notable quote:
_"Behind the scenes, we were getting through it with dark humor... I was like, John, hear me out. What if we make this video? And he's like, yo, that's dark, Alex." – Alex (04:54, 05:47)

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4. Timing and Readiness after Loss

• On deciding when to try again: time doesn’t make things easier—grief is a constant companion (07:09–09:06).
• Use of EMDR therapy to process trauma; pregnancy with daughter Lucy was both healing and anxiety-inducing.

Notable quote:
_"I thought that I would have wake up one day and be like, I am so healed... But... it's gonna be hard if you do this in a month, it's gonna be hard if you do this in two months..." – Alex (07:38)

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5. Parenthood & Protecting Privacy Online

• Alex and John do not show their baby’s face online as a conscious, protective choice (10:01–12:29), innovatively representing her instead via costume (bow in hair).
• Claudia and John agree: not posting your kids is "worth judging" in today’s online climate (11:23–12:10).
• Commentary on laws requiring family influencer profits to be saved for children, and shifting creator trends (11:41).

Notable quote:
_"It is not their job. Like, we chose to do this... We don't want to create a digital footprint for them without their permission." – Alex (10:59)

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6. The Realities of New Parenthood

• On sleep training, breastfeeding, and learning to "go with the flow" as first-time parents (13:30–16:33).
• Both Claudia and Alex admit motherhood made them "so chill" compared to previous selves.
• John shares the unexpected emotional impact of becoming a dad to a girl, including becoming more tearful and sensitive (17:13–17:30).

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7. Career Evolution: From DINKs to Mom Creators

• Alex and John worried motherhood would hinder creator opportunities, but found the reverse: new partnerships and creative directions flourished (18:30–19:03).
• Both credit not showing their child (and instead using creative stand-ins) with deepening their content’s quality and audience connection (19:29–20:03).

Notable quote:
_"If it limits our income, we don't care. Like, we're still not going to post her just because we want to make more money." – Alex (19:10)

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8. Pop Culture Faves and Podcast Dynamics

• Lively talk about Spotify Wrapped, Taylor Swift, and “good sleepers” versus “hard babies” (27:45–32:59).
• Banter between Alex and John about music, sports, and division of duties at home (29:41–31:44).

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9. Work, Money, and Taxes as Content Creators

• Honest discussion of the overwhelming complexities of freelancing, creator income streams, and fear of IRS penalties or jail—"going to jail is my big fear" (49:22–51:11).
• Behind-the-scenes reveal about where they make the most platform income (Facebook!) and why they don't try to do 'everything' (58:00–59:27).

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10. Pop Culture, Facebook Groups & Parenting Takes

• Reaction to viral mom Facebook groups and helicopter/affluent parenting (71:45–75:08).
• Strong opinions on travel sports and parenting styles, both humorous and genuine.

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11. Rapid Fire: Movies, Creators, and Celebrity Doppelgängers

• Sharing favorite films (Mean Girls, Wolf of Wall Street, Saving Private Ryan, etc.) and creators (David Dobrik, among others) (76:08–80:10).
• Claudia offers and discusses celebrity lookalikes for herself and Alex (65:48–66:18).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On digital boundaries:
  "If you know what you know [about kids online] and still decide, to me, that's just, like, something worth judging.” – Claudia (11:34)

• On creativity after parenthood:
  "You have to get creative in a way that feels right for you. And this is just like, what felt right for us." – Alex (19:53)

• On fighting as a couple:
  "A fight is like sleeping on the couch. I feel like it's very healthy to disagree..." – Claudia (45:09)

• On scammers and the danger of being too trusting:
  "We get a discount on our Internet if I pay with gift cards... And he's like, 'Alex, this is the worst time. Everything is a scam.'" – Alex & John (47:28–47:39)

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Timestamps for Key Sections

• Intro & Relationship Background: 00:03–02:43
• Handling Pregnancy Loss & Sharing Online: 04:11–06:54
• Parenting Choices (Baby Privacy & Content): 10:01–13:01
• New Parenthood: Sleep & Feeding: 13:30–17:30
• Impact of Parenthood on Careers: 18:30–20:03
• Pop Culture/Social Media Income Discussion: 27:45–51:11 & 58:00–59:27
• Parenting Styles and Pop Culture: 71:45–78:37
• Movie & Creator Picks: 76:08–80:10

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Tone & Atmosphere

The conversation is fresh, witty, and deeply authentic—marked by Alex and John’s candor about marriage, trauma, and creative boundaries. Claudia’s enthusiastic, sometimes irreverent, always supportive energy gives the episode the feel of an intimate, relatable catch-up between friends and creators.

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For New Listeners

If you haven’t tuned into The Toast or followed Alex & John, this episode is a compelling primer: vulnerable, funny, and insightful—offering unfiltered takes on the intersections of modern family, fame, and finding your lane online.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, girlies. It's the toast.

It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

It's your favorite show. The Fast 5 things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the Toast. I'm so excited about my co host today. In a very informal capacity, they are Ruby's godparents. It's Alex and John.

[B]

Wait, I would be actually honored.

[A]

You know, we don't do that because it's like, not a thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In a way, I feel like I got pregnant at the exact time that I did because of you guys.

[B]

Okay. Well, it goes full circle because we had a loss. And then I was like, John and I did not know when we wanted to try again. I'm working out, listening to the toast and I'm like, are you kidding me, John, let's get it. Let's get it on. Literally. Because I couldn't believe it.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And. And you truly influenced me. Yeah. No, I have chills.

[A]

Sorry. God, I'm.

[C]

This is so cute.

[A]

Okay, so for anyone who's new here, I found you guys on TikTok. You have been married for how many years?

[B]

Six. I should have let John answer to see if you got it.

[C]

Five or six, definitely.

[B]

No, no, he doesn't. Yeah.

[A]

You've been married for a little while.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you started making content when on tik tok.

[C]

It's 2020.

[B]

I have to remember to let John answer some questions.

[C]

We just started. You're fine.

[B]

No, I know.

[C]

You're doing great.

[A]

You're doing great.

[B]

I almost got you off.

Okay, you guys are very turned.

[C]

She's like, I got this. Don't worry about this.

[B]

Okay, so yeah, 2020.

[A]

Covet and a lot of your stick. And how I found you first was like funny married stuff. And you guys reminded me a lot of me and Ben because, like, you are very organized, timely, quick. You seem like a little bit of like a slower mover.

[C]

Wow. This is the opposite. I don't know what homework you were looking at.

[B]

No, no, but we, when we create our content, we do like, pretty much stereotypical, like husband, wife. And like, so again, when. Even when it comes to in the bedroom, like, I actually have a higher sex drive than John does. And so. But I know that like, generally men do. So, like, we'll still stick to the.

[A]

The sort of traditional.

[C]

It's the chase, you know, you know, Alex is just when she's attacking at all times.

[B]

Okay, moving on.

[A]

So I saw your Guys is like marriage content, which was just like, you know, married life stuff. I found it so relatable. I felt so. Seen so much of the stuff that you guys were. And you're like, quality of content is really editing. Like, I mean, chuckle. And then when you guys got pregnant, I was like, oh, shit, now I have to get pregnant. Because I feel like we've been on very similar, like, life trajectories. You were married for a while before you decided to try.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you, like, really identified as Dinks, Correct.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No kids, which was so amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

A disclaimer to that, though. Everyone thought that we always were, like, anti having kids. Never said that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

We just leaned into dink content.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because we were like, we don't know. And like, we're having so much fun as dual income, no kids. Like, why would we not create content about how much, like, our parents want us to have kids and. Huh.

[A]

And I did want to talk to you guys about, like, the really sort of mentally ill response of some people when you announced your first pregnancy. Being like, I thought my favorite, like, no kid. Like, first of all, you never said that. Correct. And second of all, like, what a weird way. That's like the weird parasocial relationship. And the very odd part of this job is, like, people having such strong reactions, like, you guys just living your.

[B]

Life and the fact that it hurt their feelings and they felt like that. I can't think of one person on the Internet, whether it's a celebrity or a social media creator, that a decision in their life, a personal decision in their life, would impact me to the point that I'm like, I need to comment on this and I need to make content about this.

[A]

And I'm very chronically online and I have a lot of parasocial relationships, but I'm still very sound of mind.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Did that even upset you, though? Like, I couldn't even take it seriously.

[B]

Seriously.

[C]

So real.

[B]

Yeah, we have through the years, thankfully, I feel like, because when we announced and decided to start our family, we had been doing social media for a while, and so we have grown a thick skin over the years. But you have to have a thick skin. Like, we were able to, like, look at that and laugh. And I was just like, good. You people are weird, right? Yeah.

[A]

And if you're open to talk about your first pregnancy, because you're really open online. And I think that's why people love you guys so much. You shared at how many weeks?

[B]

26 weeks is when I. Oh, well, we shared our. Our pregnancy at 12 weeks or 14 weeks, actually. So I was like, we're in the, you know, second trimester. It's the safe zone. Um, but then we lost our son at 26 weeks. And so we were, you know, close to the third trimester.

[A]

And your decision to not only share that online, but then, like, make content about it was very, I think, shocking to people because it wasn't the type of content that you would think, you know, like montages and stuff. Right. It was sort of, like, funny.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And people are like, well, that's not a funny situation.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Well, I think that behind the scenes, we were getting through it with dark humor. And so we were making these really dark jokes with each other, knowing that other people must be thinking these same thoughts. And so the first video that we came back with, or one of the first comedic videos that we came back with, was.

Talking to the dual income, no kids headquarters.

[A]

I love that video because I've made one before. Correct. About rescinding your dink application. Yes.

[B]

And so when we found out that we were pregnant, we were like, oh, my gosh, this is great. Like, we're now handing in our resignations as dual income, no kids. And then when we lost our son, I. I was in such, like, a state of depression, darkness that I couldn't even think about we were going to create. But then slowly but surely, like, you start to laugh again. You start to find joy again. And I was like, john, hear me out. What if we make this video? And he's like, yo, that's dark, Alex. Like, I don't know how.

[C]

I was kind of locked down. Exactly. I'm like, is this tone deaf? And she's like, if anyone's going to talk about it, it would be us coming from our experience. So. And I was shocked. The positive, like, comments and everything from everyone about it. And I'm just. I was relieved, too.

[A]

Yeah. The two of you. Who's more like, oh, maybe we should take this out? Or, you know, who's more editing Fear of being canceled?

[B]

I think I. Well, because I write the scripts, I always ask John, I'm like, is this a stretch? Like, is this too much? And then. So if he thinks. And like, we're still not sure, we'll send it to our team and we'll be like, what are your thoughts? So we actually sent that dual income, no kids, like, where we asked for our resignation back. Because now we're back in the dual income, no kid club. We don't want to be. And they were like, listen, we, like, we can't even speak on this because we've never been through this. If you guys feel. And similar to what John said, if someone is going to speak on it, it's going to be us. And so I. It was one of those. It felt like an early post, like back when we, like, first posted, where it's like, you're so nervous to post something. Like, you post it and you throw your phone. That's what I did. And I was just like, jesus, take the wheel. We don't know how this is going to go. And then thankfully, I think people.

[A]

I loved it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So refreshing.

[B]

Yeah. Thank you.

[A]

How long did you wait? Because it's a traumatizing thing and you, of course, still want to start a family, but you're definitely traumatized. How long do you wait? And how do you know you're ready after going through what you guys went through?

[B]

We thought that it would be. You know what, John? Let me. Let me give you the floor. Do you want to say something?

[C]

I. I just took her lead. I'm like, yeah, I think. And I said this before. If she want to try again, I'm down. If not, I'm also fine. So it's like, no pressure on her. And I think it kind of just happened, you know, to. To deal with grief and. And loss. And, you know, you ended up hitting you in waves. And then eventually we were okay, but I don't know, like, we weren't like, let's have sex now.

[B]

Yeah, it was. I think that I thought that I would have wake up one day and be like, I am so healed. Yeah, let's do this. Yeah. But I. And I was in therapy. I dove headfirst into work, but there was still just, like, this gnawing feeling of, you're. You're not. It's going to be hard if you did this in a month from now, and it's going to be hard if you do this in two months from now, because no matter what, you're going through the same experience that gave you trauma.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so I did EMDR in therapy, and that was so helpful, like, just to, like, help my body feel less traumatized. But it actually didn't start that until I found out that I was pregnant because I started having panic attacks. And then I was like, I need to do something about this.

[A]

But obviously this is not something you ever heal from. But do you feel like getting pregnant made it better? Yeah.

[B]

So we waited six months. I waited until I found out that you were pregnant. And then I Was like, now it's. Now it's time. So it was December. We tried found out that we were pregnant in January. And then I was very disconnected because I just, like, I built up this wall. I did not want to feel. I didn't want to get emotionally connected, to just get hurt again. Of course. But I will say towards the. Once I got past the gestation that I lost Leo, I did feel a little bit more, like, relief. Like, okay. Like, I feel like I could connect a little bit more. I don't know that I will say I felt fully better until she was here. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, of course did heal something inside.

[C]

We didn't celebrate anything.

[A]

We didn't.

[C]

You did not.

[A]

When did you guys announce 28 weeks.

[B]

Or like 30 weeks? You.

Know, did you like, keeping it.

[A]

To yourself for a while or were you dying to tell me?

[C]

About time. Go.

[B]

It made it go so fast. But really the hardest part, it. It was so nice keeping it to ourselves until I was showing, of course. And people were like, oh, my God. And I was like, please don't say anything.

[A]

You guys feel the love. Like, of course. When anyone announces a pregnancy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's all like, congrats.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like the Internet was, like, not. Well, I wasn't. I was so fudgeing excited for you guys.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you feel that?

[B]

It felt like such a warm hug. Really. Like, I just felt like we were being embraced, and I felt it through our phone, like, truly, just even just because of the people in our lives. They were so supportive. And it was. It was such, like, a delicate time. Yeah.

[A]

Now, can we talk about Lucy?

[B]

She's an angel, please.

[A]

So how old is she?

[B]

We brought her here today.

[A]

One of my favorite things about you, I thong a lot. You know, up until I got pregnant, was I going to share my baby on social. Jackie doesn't. It's my whole life. So the second I got pregnant, I was like, literally, I'll never, ever show. Like, it's just. It was so clear to me that that was my truth. And you don't see a lot of other creators do that, especially creators whose whole shtick is now being parents.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You guys do not share your baby on social media, but you make a lot of content about your baby, and your bridge of doing that is you play the baby with, like, when you have a bow in your hair, that means you are the baby.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

You are half fries. That landed so well. I'm like, I'm literally just me in a bow, guys.

[A]

It's so funny. It's better that it would have been if she was in it. Like, right? It is. And I love that you guys got creative and we're able to maintain your job and I think actually do your job even better because I think your videos are even funnier now.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Oh, my God, it's so funny. Tell me about that decision to not share.

[B]

Yeah. So I think when we were pregnant with Leo, we thought of that as well, where we were just, like, we. It is not their job. Like, we chose to do this and just because of, like, the discourse online and, like, the creeps that exist out there and, like, the things that we've heard. We were like, we don't want to create a digital footprint for them without their permission if other people do that. What we say on our podcast every day is to each their own, you know, judgment.

[A]

This is what we're doing.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

I don't know if I. I like hot take. It kind of bothers me.

[A]

Okay, so you know what? I was just having this conversation with somebody. I was like, no judgment. But, like, I actually do judge. Like, only because if you know what you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And still decide, to me, that's just, like, something worth judging. I know that's gonna be such a hot take, but I. I kind of agree with you.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Another hot take. What about what? From what I heard in California, they passing that law about right percent of your income has to be in something for your kids, and then all these family accounts moving, moving out because they don't want to share. Like, that is so up.

[A]

It's so up. Let's.

[C]

Let's get in. Let's.

[A]

Yeah, no, I'm actually. I'm glad we're saying this. Like, I feel like even if everything we've heard, you'll stand for something about kids on social media, like, let's say 90 of it is not true. The 10 right is reason enough.

[B]

Well. And especially having them here. I'm like, she is so precious, so iconic. I'm like, I need to protect her from everything. And so I think the hardest part now is that she's so cute. Of course I want to share her, but I'm, like, out of, like, just protective motherly instincts. Like, I'm sorry. No, you can't.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

And now being out with her in public, I'm just like, no one gets to look.

[A]

Of course. Strollerhood.

[B]

Yeah. I know that that won't be forever, but. But yeah. So, like, choosing to make John when we were even Pregnant with Leo. I was like, we'll figure out a way, like, whether it's a bib or something to still, like, act him up.

[A]

It makes the video so much fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's brilliant.

[B]

I think, the fact that, like, she's a girl and, like, he keeps his mustache. I was like, this is great. And because again, like, through all, like, the scans that we had, I was like, she's gonna be. Come out and be John's twins. Which just makes sense. She is my twin. She looks exactly like me. Yeah. I'll show you pictures. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

I'm like, do I need to take a paternity? Right.

[A]

Because, you know, they say baby John always.

[B]

We look like siblings, though, so it's fine. Like, that's.

[A]

Yeah, they always say that babies look like their dad and it's like nature's paternity test. But I guess you haven't experienced that, John.

[C]

No, not at all. It's like.

[B]

No.

[A]

Worried.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

She's like light blue eyes.

[B]

Well, my mom.

[A]

How does the neighbor.

[B]

So does her mailman. My mom, she has light blue eyes. I don't know. Like, so genetics. I'm like. But I think that they'll turn. She's only three months, so I think.

[A]

That she's three months.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's talk about new parenthood. I know you guys talk a lot about new parenthood on your podcast, and I'm loving the clips. I'm always tuning in.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What has it been like?

[C]

We actually have a question for you, because I saw one of your videos about sleep training.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

That's our issue.

[A]

Very hot button issue.

[B]

Yeah. Because we're getting there.

[A]

Yeah, of course. No, I'll connect you with my person afterwards. It's a sort of necessary evil. I think a lot of people have different feelings on it. There are a bunch of different methods. The Ferber method, the cry it out methods. You have to do what's right for you. Right. And that was what was right for me.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And there I just saw somebody say this, and it's so true. Like, there are two different types of moms having, like, parents. Excuse me, sorry, John. Having fundamentally different experiences. And that's like a six month old who sleeps through the night and a six month old who doesn't sleep.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And so just what type of experience do you want to have?

[B]

Well, right. And so I think that that's where we're, like, figuring out is that we talk to people. And some people are just blessed with great sleepers.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

They're like, oh, My baby was sleeping through the night at six weeks. I'm just like, okay.

[A]

And I just want to say, like, a baby who sleeps through the night at six weeks, like, that's not normal. You have to wake the baby up. Like, no. So I agree. But there are, like, I. There are good babies and there are hard babies.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you have a hard baby or a good.

[C]

No, she's really middle of the road.

[B]

No.

[A]

With sleep, and I don't.

[B]

With sleep. But, like, throughout the day, she's the chillest, the happiest. Like, all she wants is a boob. Like, and who.

[A]

Basket.

[B]

Yeah. And who am I to deny her my boobs?

[A]

Of course. And what is your journey with breastfeeding been, like.

[B]

Okay. I feel like because we went through such a horrible loss and trauma, like, everything has truly just been so. But, like, so easy. I feel like we've been very blessed.

[A]

God is taking care of you. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Because she came out, she latched, like, no pain. And so I just. No pain. I mean, a little bit.

[A]

But I was like, she's biting your nipple.

[B]

Yeah. But like, nothing that I thought. Like, I was expecting my nipples to bleed them to crack and to fall off. Like, it really has been bad.

[A]

Oh, the cracking is very real.

[B]

Yeah. But I don't know. She's just been really great.

[A]

And you're doing exclusive boob.

[B]

Yes. I mean, I'm pumping when, like, I have my mom watch her, like, right now, you know, she's off play, mom. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks, mom, for being there. But other than that. Yeah, I think it really just. Our problem has been with sleep. Like, she likes to wake up.

[C]

Also. Also with that, we don't have to go on, like, such polar opposite ends of, like, you're. They're letting them cry for two hours. Like, we do a little, like, a little crying. She could salt. Soothe or something. Back to sleep.

[A]

I think that's like, a good general, like, parent thing. Like, middle. I'm, like, middle of the road on everything. I very rarely have, like, super strong feelings about one way or another. Like, I'm currently contemplating ending my journey with breastfeeding.

[B]

Yeah, but you've. You're. How many months?

[A]

Seven months.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I'm split between being like, this is the best thing for him and me formula. Like, I need to get skinny. Like, I've had enough. And I just try not to, like, think in extremes. Even though I'm, like, such an extreme person. I do feel like motherhood has changed me in the sense. And maybe my husband would Agree. I'm so chill. Like, I'm so chill now.

[B]

Have to be.

[A]

You have to be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Even though, like, Ben caught me on the way here to, like, tell me something so dumb, and he picks up the phone, he's like, claude. And I'm like, oh, my God, what happened? He's like, oh, I just found out how much this thing costs. I'm like, are you kidding me? I literally. So I'm chill in some ways. True.

[B]

Because we've had a lot of, like, just work opportunities so far to, like. And I thought I'd be like, oh, my God, let her be independent. Let me independent. Like, I'll be fine leaving her, like, with it.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Hell no. I'm like, she's either coming with us or I'm never leaving her side.

[A]

Especially breastfeeding. You feel even more. I just heard. I was listening to a podcast where Michael Bostick said, like, you don't know real fear until you become a parent. Like, it's so crazy how, like, heightened your emotions are in so many ways.

[B]

You think of everything.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, yesterday, what happened? I don't even remember the pharmacist, the pediatrician. So yesterday, the day before, the day before. Like, heightened crying.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, well, not. Not even just them crying, but, like, I see. Oh, okay.

[C]

I don't know what's happening. I don't know what's happening to me.

[B]

He's tearing up now.

[C]

I can't. I'm, like, melting away.

[A]

Especially girl dad.

[B]

Like, yeah. Yeah. I've never seen him. I actually. When we went to the pediatrician the other day, he started sobbing when Lucy started crying. I've not seen him cry that hard since we lost Leo.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was like, are you. Well, that's why.

[C]

That's like, my. You're my favorite person, Lucy.

[B]

I'm like, I don't know, like many people. Yeah. But yeah. No, I feel like you. When you become a parent, you see every. Every, like, what is it? Final destination. I'm like, okay, she's with my mom right now. Like, mom, is she gonna roll off the changing table? Like, please do not kill her. Like, keep her alive. And I'm like, my mom did this with three of us.

[A]

Like, right?

[B]

She'll be fine.

[A]

Doesn't it make you have, like, so much respect for your mom? Like, you see her in a new light, sane.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My favorite thing is, like. And I always am saying this because I feel like when women become moms, their career and work opportunities usually shift for the worse. I think you have Passed up for a lot of opportunities if you're working in like a traditional corporate space. And something I love so much about the Internet is. And tell me if this was your experience too. Like, not only do you feel like you didn't like, become irrelevant when you became a mom, do you feel like you've had more opportunities when it comes, like, new brands that you can work with and like just overall, like new people being interested in your journey? It's been a net positive or negative on how you operate your business.

[B]

So it's interesting that you say this because when we were before we were going to announce our pregnancy, we were like, do people get more or less opportunities? We were so afraid of it hurting our brand because again, like, we had gone through this loss. Now we were like, back to being dinks again, who. And people loved us for that. And so I was like, are we about to shoot ourself in the foot? But it has opened up more opportunities for us, but, like, in different ways. We also had heard, though, that if you don't show your kid on the Internet, that might hurt you because people are like, you make so much more money when you have your kids. And we were like, listen again, so up.

[C]

So.

[B]

And so we were like, we're not.

[C]

Really managers not picking up clients if.

[B]

They don't show their kids.

[A]

Really.

[B]

Yeah. And so we were like, we don't care. Again, this is our job. If it limits our income, we don't care. Like, we're still not going to post her just because we want to make more money. And we have seen. Seen that like, just. And again, I don't know if it's because of, like, the way that we've positioned our content with making John Lucy that like, it has been a positive. Yeah.

[A]

And I find like, I'm always now, like, even. And I'm now I'm like, mom talk. My FYP is just like all different moms. And when I see like a mom, even if she has like three followers who doesn't show her kid, I'm following her, like, because it's so hard to engage, make content that's relevant and funny without physically showing your kid. You have to get like, you guys did, super creative.

[C]

So I'm always.

[A]

If you, you. If you don't show your kids online. And like, I randomly followed you, like, that's why.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's just. It is what it is.

[B]

Yeah. And again, when everyone else is doing it too, you're like, should I be doing this? Should I be following them? And like, Again, to your point, you just have to get creative in a way that feels right for you. And this is just like, what felt right for us.

[A]

Have you guys met John Mayer?

[B]

I have.

[A]

Oh, my God. Okay, I just have to explain to everyone. You guys are besties. Like, Internet besties, but also real life besties.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

With Kat, who's like, a huge Tick tocker who's rumored to be dating John Mayer.

[B]

Yeah, allegedly.

[A]

You met her online or you knew her before. You guys always give, like, you.

[B]

We met together. Yeah.

[C]

No, no, she's my cousin.

[A]

Yeah, I know. You guys say that, and I got duped.

[B]

You.

[A]

I'm like, yeah, but you were joking.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So am I.

[B]

Allegedly. We're joking, but no. We met on TikTok, via Instagram, via Tick Tock Friends. And then we were living in la and she was. She was visiting. She was.

[C]

She was a FaceTime. The first time we actually she was.

[B]

In town, it was. Yeah. Before we had moved back to New York, we were living in LA and she FaceTimed me for the first time, and I was like, like, like we had each other's numbers but have never really spoken. I'm like, cat stickler, FaceTime. And so I answer it, and she's like, what are you guys doing for Christmas? And I was like, oh, we're just here. It was Christmas Eve, and I was like, do you guys want to come over? And so her and her boyfriend at the time came over, and we spent Christmas Eve, and we spent Christmas together because neither of us were near our families.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then it was just like, you just hit it off with someone. Like, there's an energy there. And so, yes, we just, like, never stopped hanging out after that.

[A]

And then you met John Meyer.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Very cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anything you want to share about that experience?

[B]

I will, of course.

[A]

Respecting your privacy. Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

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During our exclusive last minute holiday offer from legacy [e-mail] toast that's legacy bo.com toast. Yeah. Very cool. Now I know you listen to the toast. In terms of pop culture, John, I know you're like obsessed beyond with pop culture. What are you into? What shows are you watching? What? Select. Who's like your fave, John. Like if you could go to any concert front row.

[C]

Oh, any concert front row. Well, you brought me Odessa. Oh, hell.

[A]

Is that you?

[B]

But you didn't even have fun, John. You literally like John. Literally. When can we leave?

[C]

We had to catch a flight at 6am and we had to go to.

[B]

It doesn't matter though. But like if you go out two.

[C]

Hours at Palm Springs and then we had to drive back.

[A]

What's Odessa?

[B]

It's like, I don't even know what genre.

[C]

Edm, house music.

[B]

Oh, but John doesn't really like that though.

[A]

What's your genre of choice? Because you're from the South. Are you. And make that up.

[B]

He's not a country boy. No.

[C]

You know, I'm like a hybrid.

[B]

No, he likes like angsty teen music.

[A]

Tougher.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, yeah. Actually we're planning on going to Boys Like Girls for Ben's birthday. You guys should come. Come.

[B]

Yes, we'll be there. No, see, like, that's what John likes. Like, he likes all that.

[A]

Who was like, we have a story today about Spotify wrapped. Who was your number one artist this year?

[B]

Oh, who was? Mine. I think mine was Taylor Smith.

[C]

I listened to like top 50. I don't know what that is.

[B]

I have like Sabrina Carpenter.

[A]

You listen to like, like in your car. Just like the radio.

[C]

I'll listen to anything.

[A]

SiriusXM or just like FM.

[C]

No, like Spotify. Like Billboard 100.

[A]

Got it, got it. You're really not a particular guy.

[C]

No, no concerts. Not a huge concert person.

[A]

What are you passionate about, John? Sports.

[B]

I love that you're asking these questions because this is what I asked on every day. Always asking Ben, like random things and he hates this question.

[A]

Game. Volleyball.

[C]

A game? A little bit, yeah. You? Game I. Volleyball on the South Shore.

[A]

You play beach or.

[C]

Yeah, down by the salt.

[A]

Volleyball team. Bump, set, spike. Those are the things. Like 15 year, such a. Oh, and that impact. She hears this. Honestly, she was like, seriously one of the most evil cunts I've ever met in my life.

[B]

That was me and my entire Team. Senior year on our dance team in college. We quit because.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

No. What should you go to NC State.

[A]

And you?

[C]

Radford. It's near Virginia Tech.

[A]

Very cool. And did you play a sport in college, John?

[C]

No. Intramurals.

[A]

Are you athletic?

[C]

I mean. I think so.

[B]

Average.

[A]

That's a great answer.

[B]

We always joke though, that John has vanity strength because, like, he can't hold Lucy for long amounts. It's hard.

[C]

I don't. The. The mom strength is real. It's crazy.

[A]

I'm just kind of like waiting for my arms to reflect the strength that I currently feel internally. And it's just like, it's not. What I'm feeling inside is not matching the outside. It's kind of frustrating.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're also exhausted. Yeah. We're doing our best.

[A]

So how many times is she waking up in the night?

[B]

So actually she's getting better, which is why I'm like, it's hard to complain. She.

[A]

Three months is also just like a transitional period.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Kind of got to give her time.

[C]

Wait, what? Ben's like, job answer with, like, how.

[A]

We divide stuff up.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, so we don't do night feedings anymore. And I was exclusively breastfeeding. So like, Ben technically, like, could have slept through them and like, wake up. Like, I. I was hungry a lot. That was like when we were doing two feedings and I. Ben would like, I would start the feed and Ben would make me a sandwich. And then Ben also would rub my back because, like, it's back breaking work.

[B]

John.

[A]

But I also think, like, it's so. I don't like to make blanket statements. Like if. If a woman is the one doing the feedings and not working, and then the man's waking up at 6am to work. Okay, you know what? We're dividing things up differently. Everyone's family is different. While Ben and I both have flexible jobs, like, we're both waking up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Especially because I don't even think the worst part of like, the night feeds is necessari, like, the tiredness. It's like being alone and sad. Like, no, thanks, I'm done.

[B]

Yeah, well, and that's what we.

[C]

Look lady. And I'm the poop guy.

[B]

But that's what we said too.

[A]

Oh, I didn't change a diaper for the first like four months.

[B]

Yeah, well, that's what we said too, because we both work from home. We have flexible schedules. Like, we are doing this together. Like, I do not want to work the same day as you the next day. And you have an extra three hours of sleep.

[A]

That's not equal.

[B]

Yeah, no.

[A]

So I agree. While I can't make blanket statements for everyone, I do think we have similar setups. Yeah. Ben did diapers. I literally. Especially because I had a C section. I literally could not get out of bed. I didn't, like, see Ruby's, like, tushy for, like. And three months.

[B]

You have to have Ben teach you how to do it. Because I was like, john, how do I change? Yeah.

[A]

Humiliating. Especially with the bris. We had to, like, learn how to. Because it was like a bandage.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

When I tell you I have no idea. I did not do it once.

[C]

What's a bris?

[A]

A bris is a ritual circumcision for a Jewish child.

[B]

Yes. You know, you knew that.

[C]

No.

[B]

Maybe you didn't know what it was called.

[A]

North Carolina. Virginia.

[C]

Virginia.

[A]

Okay. Still not like big Juville over there.

[C]

No, but I mean, I have plenty of, like.

[A]

Of course, of course. I wasn't accusing.

I didn't think so. I was just wondering, you know, we're.

[B]

On Long island, we lived in la, like, the highest.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Guys, I'm not worried about you.

[C]

Half my employers were Jewish.

[A]

You're good.

[B]

You're good.

[A]

So you are joining me for the fast five? Are you 50? Yeah.

[B]

Well, okay.

[C]

We went to Wolf concert.

[B]

Yeah, we did. But, like, my thing is era's tour when she was in la. Whichever. We're wrote Stadium. Sofi.

[A]

Yes. Did you guys do, like, a brand or you went tickets yourself?

[B]

Yes. No. And that's where I. I'm saying, like, I can call myself the Swifty to the point in that, like, I know her songs, I love her albums, but, like, I'm not gonna spend $2,000 to go to a concert.

[C]

You have to give her so much credit as an artist. Like, her music's whatever to me, but watching her. Well, I. I don't care about.

[A]

That's okay.

[C]

But watching her perform, she didn't stop for three hours. I think I peed like, 15 times within the three hours she was on.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Whether you like her music or not, I'm like, wow, as a performer, that is wild. And then she did a wardrobe change within, like, two minutes.

[A]

Like, how the did you do that? You have no choice but to respect it, right?

[B]

Yeah. And so, yes, I love her. I mean, I. I don't understand the Taylor Swift hate that's out there or, like, really the hate on, like, a lot of people. A few people.

[A]

Like, I understand, and I think they Deserve more.

[B]

Exactly. People who post their kids on the Internet.

Literally. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So I have a question for you guys.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You guys go by Alex and John. Yes, John. Does that ever bother you? Why not? John and Alex.

[C]

I never started this.

[B]

I was just gonna say I started.

[A]

Right.

[C]

I don't always go back.

[A]

Like, I didn't want background in, like, filmmaking or anything.

[B]

Yeah. So we were wedding filmmakers before.

[A]

Did you film your own wedding?

[B]

Oh, my God, I wish I could have, but no, I didn't.

[A]

Oh, my God. Wait, I had no idea.

[B]

Because you're.

[A]

Your content is very elevated. You even film on an iPhone.

[B]

We do.

[C]

You do.

[B]

People are shocked, but it's like.

[A]

Is so supreme. Like, if I ever, like, I was actually thinking. And you. I'm gonna run this by you the next time. God willing. God willing, I get pregnant. Like, I will be reaching out to you. I want you to direct a video.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Your is so elegant.

[B]

So that's one of my proudest things is, like, our gender reveal video because, like, we did it on a cine camera, like, and because we have that background, like, it's very easy for us. But when we started getting more busy doing the podcast, I was like, I can't do this editing alone. But it was one of those things that I was like, no one can ed. Edit how I can edit, but I have to give a shout out to one of my besties, Sean. He edits for us. And so he. We work together. He has a very similar style to me. So, like, he. He probably edits a decent percentage of our videos. Like, I still.

[A]

It's important to. When you reach a certain level to not do everything yourself. Yeah. Then it starts to get worse because I keep refusing to delegate. Yeah. Like, it's. I just want you to know, it's like, it's coming through. Like, it's really elevated.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

I can't even think of who would, like, make sense, who I would compare you guys to, because it's really. You're sort of in a league of your own.

[B]

Thank you. Yeah. But I think it's because we came from a background of filmmaking.

[A]

So what's the background? Like, the. Did you study. You have, like, formal. How does it work when you become a videographer?

[B]

Well, so my entire life I've been making videos. I was one of those, like, force forcing my friends to do music videos with me when I was 12.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I, like, asked for editing software when I was 13. Oh, my God. So, like, always wanted to get into filmmaking, but then I Was like, I don't know if I really can. So I did communication media, environmental science in college. Didn't learn anything. Everything that you learn is going to be on your own in the field.

[A]

Thousand percent.

[B]

And so when I graduated, I worked for a film company doing pesticide documentaries.

[A]

Such important work.

[B]

Exactly. So I was in, like, all the farm states. And then after that, I started working for another wedding film company. And then I did some, like, nonprofit work with, you know, in Africa and filming. So, like, I. I did a lot of, like, behind the scenes. Was never in front of the camera. Met John. He saw my work, was like, you have to start your own business.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I was like, well, I can't do it alone. Trained him how to use a camera, do it, do a little bit of editing. And then once. So we started a business in New York doing weddings, Small business clothes. Madison Gray Media, which is still active today.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yes. But, like, we don't do weddings anymore. Of course.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Yeah. It's like an umbrella of, like, all of our business.

[A]

Of your whole business.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That is so cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I had a feeling you had some sort of, like, formal background, because it is so good.

[B]

Thank you. And then so, yeah, then we just, like, started Tick tock. And then that snowballed. And now we don't do weddings. And we don't do it.

[A]

No, of course, of course, of course.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That's Alex and John. Or should I say John and Alex?

[B]

Yeah, Here we go.

[C]

Alex and John's fine. She deserves it.

[B]

Thanks. I like John.

[A]

Are you guys ready for the past five stories?

[B]

So ready.

[A]

Okay. The stories are really good today. I did try to pick them a little tailored to your needs. We have some, like, mom stuff. Cool. But we were sharing our Spotify wrapped, and so is Travis Kelsey, and him and Jason are actually sharing where Taylor Falls. It's kind of like, awkward, like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, another thing about it, like, Ben's number one, like, wasn't my song. And that's hurtful. His was like, simple Plan or whatever.

And so they shared. Jason did his Spotify wrapped on the podcast. His number two album was the Life of a Showgirl. His number one album was like some kids bop thing that his daughters like, which I had never heard of it before.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Do you guys what, like, songs do you play on your Spotify?

[B]

Like, for Lucy, she hasn't liked any songs yet.

[A]

The Happy Song.

[B]

But if it's because it's three. If she's three months, I've played that for her.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

She hasn't like, with it.

[C]

I played that monkey purple monkey song.

[A]

Oh, I saw you guys have the purple monkey mat.

[C]

That thing's legit. That's the only thing that it is.

[A]

The only thing a new parrot needs. The.

[B]

I can't get anything done unless she's.

[A]

On that mat 1,000%. And I want to let you know. So Jackie bought it for me, like, right when I got home from the hospital. And I go, thanks, but, like, use it, you know? Like, I feel like a mat is like, maybe for like a one year old.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I also, like, didn't know anything.

[B]

Same.

[A]

Oh, my God. That. And you know what? That's. That music's good. Like, it actually some of these songs, like, you want to kill yourself. This one, I'm like, like, bopping. And it's been like, months, and it hasn't started to bother me. The image in heap song, maybe three months is like, a little early.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Stick with it.

[B]

Okay. Because we have tried playing it in the car when she's screaming, and it just makes things worse, like, so far. But, like, I don't mind that song. So I'm like, I'll just keep playing it. And when you're fussy and then it.

[A]

Like, puts me on an image and heap, like, playlist and that, like, she knows how to write a song.

[B]

My question is, did she have a kid? And she was like, I have to create something that is going to help.

[A]

I am so glad you asked. I went on like a chat. Gbt. Yeah. Research. Because I'm like, she must make so much money from this song.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Devastating. Ready? This song, she got paid by a brand. It was like a brand partnership. A brand wanted to create, like, the most, like, scientifically baby friendly song. So they paid her to make it. They own the song. It's like this UK baby brand I'd never even heard of. I don't even think she made money beyond her fee. No, I know the song. It has, like, 100 billion streams. Streams.

[B]

And that's why we're looking for a new lawyer.

[A]

Okay, so you're Spotify wrapped. Like, who were you into?

[B]

Well, the toast was, of course, number one podcast, but it was.

[A]

Did you get the video?

[B]

Yes, I did. Yeah. You guys are so cute. And I'm like, how? Whatever. I'm like, how do we get here one day? Like, no, no one. Spotify is not asking us to make.

[A]

A video with it. You guys have been doing your podcast for how long?

[B]

Well, the thing is too long. But, like, do we. We take Breaks because we. We're either moving, we're too busy, and, like, we just. I think our issue is we don't outsource enough. So that's like, where, again, we signed on with your media, right?

[C]

That's not my issue. What's your issue with the podcast is.

[B]

What is your issue, John?

[C]

To be honest, what we do as far as for social media, our videos, everything, that's our main bread and butter. Of course, doing the podcast is kind of like, it's hard because it takes like, 90 of our time.

[A]

Right? It's more. Yeah. It's very time consuming. So if it's not like, your main revenue stream, I understand, like, you starting to hate it.

[B]

Yeah. It' takes 90% of our time, but it brings like 5% of our income. Yeah.

[C]

What is nice is like, I don't go to therapy, so us hashing stuff out on the. On the pods. Nice, like, publicly?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

My other question for you, I get this a lot, either working with my sister, but also working with my husband people, it's like, unfathomable to them. Do you guys think that it has benefited your marriage? Do you fight more? Do you fight less because you work together?

[B]

I think it's benefited personally just because, like, we do. Our conflict resolution is so tight. Quick. Yes.

[C]

Time to fight.

[A]

But how.

[C]

What do we even compare to? Because, I mean, we hit the ground running. We were dating when we started the company.

[B]

Right.

[C]

You're only dating for, like, nine months.

[B]

And, like, because we started working together prior to doing social media together as well, like, we already had the foundation of what it was like to work together, which I think was really helpful.

[A]

How long did you guys date before you got married?

[B]

Not long. Like, we got engaged after a year and a half. Yeah. And then, because it was like, I.

[C]

Was getting a little tired, I was.

[A]

Like, how old are you guys? So if you don't mind me asking.

[B]

33.

[A]

Slay.

[C]

38.

[A]

Okay. Older man.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And how did you propose, John?

[C]

Oh, we went on a hike in Hawaii.

[A]

You made your hike?

[B]

John hates hikes. He go. And so I go, this man is proposing, he hates champagne, he hates hikes. We get to Hawaii, he goes, hey, tomorrow morning, first thing in the morning, I think we should go on a hike and we should bring this bottle of champagne. I'm like, you're proposing? But okay, let's do it.

[A]

That is so cute. Were you nervous?

[C]

Oh, yeah. Did you think she was gonna lose the ring?

[A]

Yeah, of course. That's actually.

[C]

I'm like, oh, my God. I Could not wait to hand that thing off.

[A]

Yeah. Yep. Have you ever lost your ring? Is that the same one you've.

[B]

No, I didn't lose it. But last year, after all my traumas, I was like, I would like an upgrade.

[A]

I think that's such a reasonable request.

[B]

You know, and so I don't mind. I'm like, I'll take an upgrade, of course. Do you have your original ring?

[A]

I do. I'm still dealing with postpartum fingers, so I'm going, yeah. And I did consider a few years ago changing it.

I still like it. It was just like, I feel like I need a bigger.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And then I decided ultimately not to. I don't know why. I just would, Like, I felt bad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You do decide to upgrade it. What would you do with your original.

[A]

Great question. Because you could, you know, trade it in and have it go towards the price.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I do think I would keep it.

[B]

Yeah. I still have mine, and my plan is to do something with it and, like, add the birthstones of my children.

[A]

So cute.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No bad. No decision is a bad one.

[B]

No.

[A]

In my opinion.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So, you know. And then I upgraded John's, too. It wasn't as much, but just little.

[A]

A little bling. Yeah.

[B]

Just. Oh, no bling. He didn't want any diamonds. I was like, I could deck it out. He just wanted a little party. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Diamonds are for girls.

[C]

I want to go back to T for a second, because I have. I want to talk about Travis Kelce.

[B]

He.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

For a second, please.

[C]

So on Travis and Jason's podcast.

I'm mixing them up. Jason, Travis said that he hasn't fought with Taylor in two years. And then he had George Clooney saying he never fought with his wife in 10 years.

[A]

Years.

[C]

I'm calling bullshit.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

So how long have you and Ben been together?

[A]

100 years.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Fight every day. Okay. And we've never been more in love. Just. Just to be clear. So that's like George Clooney's thing. He said a million years ago, and people still ask him. He said, I swear, me and Amal have never had a fight. I'm like, okay, well, you guys aren't really married. Like, everyone has heights. And so, of course, Travis brought that up. And George was like, well, you and your girl. Like. And when you watch the clip, he obviously just says it like, no, we don't fight. Like, I don't think he was necessarily saying the truth, but George Clooney says to this day, him and his wife of 10 years have never had a fight.

[C]

I was talking about George Clooney then.

[A]

Agree.

[C]

Did he almost get divorced at one point?

[A]

The first time he was ever married was he was like this bachelor who would date girls shout out to, like, you know, Stacy Keebler. That girl kept it in check for many years. Never got married. And then the one he decided to take it all the way with was Mom.

[B]

I would too.

[A]

Yes, of course. That hair.

[B]

I'm like, she's a queen.

[A]

Did you experience any sort of, like.

[B]

Postpartum hair after losing Leo? I did. Currently not now, but I was also, like, in such a state of like, like, sadness and grief that I was like, it could have been that. It also didn't happen until three months later.

[A]

That is very common.

[B]

Yeah. And so I'm currently still taking all the vitamins and everything. Not just for breastfeeding, but I was like, I hope I don't lose my.

[A]

Hair, but that is something I didn't even think about. Like, all this sort of postpartum body things you have to go through.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Still.

[B]

Still.

[A]

Even though you experienced a loss.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's terrible.

[B]

Yeah. It was horrible. And it wasn't like, you know, and I. I hate, like, I don't want to compare losses, but, like, you can't help but, like, when you lose girl.

[A]

Compare.

[B]

Yeah. Like, so I was very grateful as the things I was trying to find and be grateful for after my loss that it wasn't a full term loss because I felt like I was still able to heal everywhere else relatively quickly, but, like, still dealing with, you know, milk coming in and like, postpartum hair loss loss. But yeah, I can't imagine, like, having a full term loss. Like, there's just so many horrible things that, you know, and. And us also knowing that we were high risk. It wasn't like the rug was completely pulled out.

[A]

You were high risk in your first pregnancy?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Do you mind if I asked why?

[B]

Yeah. So we actually had an issue with the.

Like, blanking two vessel cord. We had a two vessel cord of elementous cord insertion and a. So the placenta and the umbilical cord, which are the lifeline to the babies.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The most important things. And of course, like, when it's that early on, everyone's like, just wait. We're not sure. We're not sure. And then it just snowballed into so quickly. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yeah. But yes. Amal and George claim they've never fight. What's your guys's like fighting frequency. Would you say we ban her?

[C]

Probably when we.

[B]

I'm like, it's a banter. Cuz, like, what's a fight?

[A]

A fight is like sleeping on the couch. I feel like it's very healthy to disagree to even just like fate argue. There's.

[C]

There's different categories. Is when we actually have a fight. It's when we, when something new happens and we're trying to figure that out. It's like when we first started the company when first moving to la, first having Lucy, like navigating new waters, figuring out job role, like who's doing what and. But after that it's. It's really nothing.

[B]

But I feel like we banter about something every day. But like, maybe someone would think it's a fight. Like, people talk on our podcast and they're like. Or comment or even like in our videos that are skits and they're like, do you guys hate each other?

[A]

Or like, do you. You guys fight all the time.

[B]

Why are you yelling at each other?

[C]

I'm like, would you listen to the podcast if we weren't debating or arguing? Like, it'd be so funny.

[A]

We were just agreeing with. Yeah, totally. I get that a lot. When Ben and I podcast together, it used to bother me a lot in the beginning, people being like, clutter. You're so mean. I'm like, you try to be married, it's so annoying. And so I see how like. But then also I do see sometimes people who like, fight on their podcast who literally should not be married.

[B]

Yeah, but you can like, you can feel the energy of like, people who actually hate each other and people who like, love each other.

[A]

I don't know, maybe it's just like a love language thing. Like, like a personality thing. Like, sorry, I'm gonna poke fun at people I love.

[B]

Like. Sorry, exactly.

[C]

Fighting with a level of respect too. Like, you're not like low blowing each other. Okay, there, there's.

[A]

Yes, yes, that's true. That's true. Okay, huge news. Jen Cha has been released from prison. She ended up serving 33 months for her telemarketing fraud scheme where she, you know, attacked vulnerable communities. Both the disabled and the elderly, stole all of their life, saving some of them, went on to kill themselves. And here she is just spending a cool 33 months in prison. It was very.

It kept getting decreased. So she ended up spending two years, nine months and 23 days in prison. And I do believe her original sentencing was around like six to eight years. So she, you know, made off pretty well.

[B]

Yeah, she. That was quick.

[C]

How much money did she take?

[A]

Well, I don't know what the total sum was, but she would like. You know how you get like those fraud telemarketing schemes. Like, she was literally running a huge one.

[B]

Okay, so. So speaking of, did you get Duke? John is the perfect candidate.

[A]

Oh, you're vulnerable.

[B]

Oh, yes, 100%. Like, Jen would love him.

[A]

Yeah, Jen and John. John and Jen.

[C]

We get a discount on our Internet if I pay with gift cards.

[B]

And I go hang up the phone. And he's like, alex, he goes, this.

[A]

Is the worst time.

[B]

Everything is a scam.

[A]

And I go, you know what?

[C]

You're trying to buy our house in New York.

[A]

And.

[C]

And that scam hit my credit. My credit up. And then I couldn't.

[A]

So you went through with it? You did buy the gift cards?

[C]

No, I didn't buy the gift card, but I gave all my information and.

[A]

So then steal any money.

[C]

They. They racked up like a Verizon bill that I never knew. They bought like a 10 cell phones.

[A]

Oh, wow, you've really been the victim.

[B]

Of like a major scam. No. And like, but he's always so close.

[C]

Like even such a trustworthy.

[B]

So that happened. And then he's like, oh my God, I need a scam protector account. Like, because his identity. His identity had gotten stolen not from the cards, but from something else. His identity had gotten stolen. And so he's like, I'm looking this up. He gets another call from this like other scam company.

[A]

Stop picking up the phone.

[C]

I called every time and I got scammed again. Trying to call like an anti scamming, like a. Something like a McAfee or something like that.

[A]

Right, right, right, right. Like Norton. Whatever. So funny. I've never personally gotten scammed. Ben has fallen so close twice. One time when we were super young, he's like, the IRS called me. They say like, oh, well, it's Monday. I'm like, okay, sweetie, the IRS doesn't call. They send mail. And then the second time was actually quite recently. And they're getting really smart, these scammers, especially with AI. So Ben, for Spritz, they have like a lot of regional salespeople in all different states, and they get gift cards every month to cover spritz expenses, like gas, when, whatever. And so one of them like texted like, hey, sorry, texting for my wife's phone, like, can you send whatever? And Ben was. I don't believe. I don't remember if he actually sent it. But they literally knew that Ben he was like, hey, is this Ben from Spritz? Like, the. The scammers are, like, smart. It's really frightening.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So knock wood. I haven't fallen prey, and I'm, like, a very savvy person, but I still get close sometimes. So you can only imagine how Jena's victims were feeling. Like, yeah, old, elderly veterans. Like, seriously, she's a disgrace.

[B]

Well, the fact that she is someone in the public eye who does not need. Why are you scamming people?

[A]

You always do feel like. Like, well, that happens a lot on Housewives, where it's like, they become famous and become even more criminal. It's like, girl, more people are watching you now. It's sort of like this train wreck that just happens. Do you guys feel like, as freelancer, content creators, it's so hard to pay your taxes? My biggest fear is going to jail, and I wrote the story in my book. But, like, a few years into my career, I had gotten a letter from the IRS that, like. And the IRS is like, three or four years delayed. So it was, like, three years ago, you underreported your income, and it was like, a hundred thousand dollars. And then $99,000 in penalties. It was interesting penalties, because it's three years. It doubles it. And so ever since then, like, I'm. I overpay my taxes. Like, I'm.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Petrified. The hardest thing. Well, not that there's really anything hard about what we do. Right. But is getting your affairs in order once you become, like, successful and you start paying your bills? Because it's really confusing.

[C]

Well, and especially owning your own company is so difficult.

[B]

Yeah, but we have an accountant, and, like, we love him. He's great. But, like, we kind of had to, like, learn and grow together because he's like, I'm so confused. So you're working for a company that it operates out of here, but you guys are here, and then you traveled here, and so it was. Who knows? I hope the IRS still doesn't come first.

[A]

Content creator, influencer to go to jail. And if it's me, just know I didn't do it on purpose. Yeah. It's so confusing.

[B]

And I'm like, please, just give me a second chance. Like, tell me what I owe, and then I'll pay it. Like, I'm not doing it on purpose years later.

[A]

And then you accrue so much penalty and interest fees, it's criminal.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

That happened to me. Yeah.

[B]

Alex.

[C]

I don't even know why Alex is talking about. She knows literally nothing about It.

[B]

Well, no, but I know that we. I overhear and I'm like, John, these are the questions that you need.

[C]

Okay. If you want to know. Yeah. We're paying, like, outrageous amount of taxes.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Of course we'll never go to jail.

[A]

No, that's the thing. It's like. Well, I'm sad about the loss of money. I feel comforted knowing that I. Yeah. For this, I won't be going.

[B]

Yeah. It's worth it.

[A]

Going to jail is my big. What's your biggest fear? Because that's mine.

[B]

Oh, sharks is for yours.

[A]

Okay. That's very Bethany Hamilton coded.

[B]

Probably now. Something happening too. Of course.

[A]

I mean, my daughter, but yeah.

[B]

Oh, you're like, outside of the normal years of life, like, height.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

Like eating something that's gonna make me my pants. Oh, that's.

[A]

Have you guys ever had notovirus?

[B]

No.

[C]

Yeah, I always. My pants.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

John. John is just ibs, but he thinks it's normal.

[C]

Did you see. Did you see that about the. That poor girl on the plane who got so sick on the plane and they had to like.

[A]

Was it you?

[C]

No, it was a. A woman.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

She had locked herself in the bathroom.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

It was a viral video that this girl was talking about her experience, how she, like, got neurovirus and like, had it and they had to like, cancel the flight.

[C]

Blew up the, like a biohazard team.

[B]

But she was like, the way that she told the story was hilarious. It went viral a few months ago, I think.

[A]

But I screen time.

[B]

I had higher screen time before having Lucy. But, like, when I'm breastfeeding too, I like, try to, like, connect with her, but I'm like, if she's asleep, just like drinking on my boob. Like, I'm going to scroll.

[A]

Do you watch Kardashians?

[B]

No. Okay. Not really.

[A]

You know, Courtney is like this very like, sort of extreme attachment parenting style mom. She breastfeeds. Her kid is like 3. They still co sleep. Like, she's really extreme. And she brought on this, like. I think she's like this controversial. I've seen her videos online about like, co sleeping. She's this very controversial attachment parenting advocate. And while I don't attachment parent, I do breastfeed, which is considered attachment parenting. And she was talking about how it's like, like, you shouldn't be on your phone scrolling while you're breastfeeding.

[B]

I'm like, wait, I know. I saw that. And I was like, the first three months of Lucy's life, like, I've Ruined her.

[A]

And Courtney was like. Even when they're, like, sleeping, she's like, you really should, like, be present.

[B]

How am I supposed to stay awake.

[A]

When that's so boring?

[C]

I'm concerned about. I saw.

[B]

And that's like, when I get things done.

[A]

Sorry.

[C]

The mri when they had, like, babies. Skulls or. Because they're so thin and like, your phone.

[B]

Okay, well, I'm scrolling out of here.

[A]

Lauren Bostick is always talking about, like, how her phone's in the other room. Like, no phones around the babies. Bluetooth headphones, like, all that. I feel like if I get started on that stuff, like, I'll never stop.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I just. That's what I'm saying. Like, I'm not extreme on a lot of things. I'm very middle of the road.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like, well, no, I'm not putting the phone up to his ear. I am going to scroll TikTok.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Your nursery, if you want to talk about that. It's like your nursery is basically a fudgeing MRI machine. There's your cameras. You have.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

Can't be concerned about everything. And you're right. Like, otherwise, like, you'll just go crazy.

[A]

And some things I'm not willing to give up. Like, the nanit, like, and no one's going to convince me that the nanit is anything but incredible.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. See, and that's like, where I'm like, okay, maybe we do need to move her to her crib eventually because, like.

[A]

She'S currently in the bassinet. How is she again?

[B]

She's three months. She literally just turned three months.

[A]

So I think I moved Ruby at like four.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So. And I just told the story on Friday. So when we had went to the doctor, I think at the four month checkup and she was asking about sleep, she was like, you know, at this age, they become a little bit more al. Start seeing a little bit. And while the bassinet is lovely, you might actually now be keeping her up because human beings sleep quite loudly. You move around a lot. You snore, you fart, you get up to pee. And so that's me, John.

[B]

Literally, this morning, when she's still sleeping, John is slamming everything. I'm like, can you shut the up?

[C]

You snore so loud.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, but that's Lucy's mama. And, like, Lucy's actually comforted by the sound of her snoring. I just feel like, you know.

[C]

Both of you.

[A]

Do you guys know Alex Earl as fellow tick tockers? Of course.

[B]

That's the only reason I watch Dancing with the Stars. Her and the Mormon moms, so smart on their.

[C]

On their part.

[A]

Totally. What do you make of her and Braxton's breakup?

[B]

I'm. First of all, is it real?

[A]

Well, Paige is claiming not only is it real, but they have the reason. Here's what they say. That Alex wants to spend more time in LA while Braxton lives in Florida, but also plays for the Houston Texans. The pair realized they were going apart as a couple as they spent less and less time together. The source previously told Patrick Page Six that their breakup after two years was distance induced.

[B]

I'm sure, because I can't imagine being an NFL wife or girlfriend and like, with that schedule and I'm. Again, if long distance works for you, great. But I want to be with my partner.

[A]

Have you guys ever done long distance?

[B]

No. No. Yeah, I had.

[C]

The New York quarterback already, like, went.

[A]

Into her messages, so that was fake. She commented being like, the screenshot is fake. And I would also never post that on my Close friends.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

When I saw it, I was like, oh, my God, I wish I was on Alex Earl's close friend story.

[B]

Oh, how do we get there?

[A]

I know. Well, she does follow me back and I feel like sometimes when I meet people, then they add me to their close friends. Also, if I add them.

[B]

That's true. You have to meet people first. Because I'm like, I don't want to be added or add people. I also, I don't have close friends at all because I'm like, what do I post on it?

[A]

I know. And like, I have close friends. And like, maybe, like, I literally only post about, like, wanting Ozempic because people are like, can you please stop talking about it? So I'm like, fine, I'll post in my close friend story. Okay.

[B]

I have a question also. Would you post your son on Close Friends Friends?

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

Because I have seen a couple of times where someone's close friend story has gotten leaked. Leaked.

[B]

And that's my biggest fear. Yeah.

[A]

So I was. So I. We did a whole recap of the Brooks Nader show. Love thy Nader. And then she followed me back and animated a close friend story. Let me tell you, that's an amazing close friend story. Like, it's better than you guys would expect. And one thing about me, I'm not getting kicked off. I will never tell you guys what's on it. And then I actually got added the other day. And that's the thing.

[B]

It's an honor too it's like a secret club. Like, you can't talk about a close friend story.

[A]

I just got added to Dorothy Way things. Let me tell you, like, you think she's rich. Her close friend story is insane. And then also what I do because I'm a psycho.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've started to add, like, very famous people to my close friends. Yeah. Haley Bieber watches my close friend story because I feel like when you. When the green circle comes up, you go to the person's, like, front of their.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then I also added Gwyneth. She watched it once, but after that.

[B]

This is actually so smart.

[A]

Now I need you to add people like, mutual that you have. Who's the most famous person who follows you guys or has, like, interacted with your videos?

[C]

So the amount of name drop. I think I know one person that you crazy. He's like. That was so quick, too. You just ripped off, like, 10 names in 30 seconds.

[B]

Close with Joey. We love him. Yes. We were on Snooki and Joey's podcast last year, and Snooki asked the same question, and I was. Yeah, you were in Joey's f. That was like, the best day of his life. I love Joey, but she was like, who's the most most famous person? I was like, you. Like, you are the most iconic.

[A]

First of all, that is the nicest thing. You calling me famous. Like, that means the world to me. And second of all, I just feel like that's not true. How many followers do guys. You guys have?

[B]

Three Something.

[A]

But which is your biggest platform?

[C]

You want, like, total or.

[A]

Oh, not Tick tock.

[B]

No, it was.

[A]

But Tik Tok is kind of, like, dead.

[B]

I don't want to say that I love Tik Tok, but it's like, it doesn't grow how it used to.

[A]

I also think for the type of content that you guys make, like, those people are real people.

[B]

Yes, they are. And people are real people. So, yeah, like, we. I know. It's crazy.

[A]

Crush on Facebook.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, we do. Yeah.

[A]

So how many followers you have on TikTok tok?

[B]

Almost three to eight. Yeah.

[A]

And then Instagram. Three.

[B]

Three.

[A]

And then Facebook. Like, the Facebook reels go back.

[B]

It's like a million there.

[A]

That's sick. Do you make money off of Facebook a lot? You're kidding.

[B]

The most you need to be posting on Facebook. Wait, I know what. Yeah.

[C]

Is there ad sense?

[A]

Like, is higher?

[C]

Higher?

[B]

Like reels? Pennies, Right?

[A]

Are you on your program?

[B]

Yeah, but none of our videos are over a minute.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And so we don't make our money from views.

[A]

Right?

[B]

We really don't. And same thing like on YouTube, we don't make our money from views. Yeah, it's partnerships.

[A]

And so you post all of your content to Facebook. Yeah. And then you get paid out by Facebook.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they have like, the best rate.

[B]

Uhhuh.

[A]

That is so interesting.

[B]

You got to do it. Do you not have the Toast there?

[C]

No, do it.

[A]

Write it down.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Okay. Snapchat person.

[A]

Okay. So I know.

[B]

Heard Snapchat too.

[A]

I heard Snapchat is just like literally paying creators out the ass to make content. And while I'm extremely financially motivated, you know, I can famously be bought. I just feel like I'm like, I draw the line.

Can't do everything. I.

[B]

And that was it too. Like, when we got into this, it was like, do we want to become vloggers also? And I was like, I'm so tired.

[A]

No, I actually think that's such an under, like, done thing. I think when people create a following somewhere, they're like, okay, well, I'm going to be a podcaster. I'm going to be a YouTuber. I'm going to do vlogger. And so they do a lot of things in a mediocre way as opposed to like two things. Really well.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

So I actually really respect that. And I think it's important to know what you're good at and like, that's. It's okay to just be one thing.

[B]

Yeah. And do well.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

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[C]

Have any single friends? Yeah.

[B]

I mean, but the thing is, like, I feel like, athlete wise, Like, I feel like that would be good if. If, like, it may be a retired athlete.

[A]

I know. Because she's, like, so famous.

[B]

I know. And, like, she's beautiful and talented and gorgeous.

[A]

I'm like, actually afraid she could, like, date whoever she wants. Did you.

[C]

Are you against her dating someone in the space?

[A]

I am, I am. It's just not the vibe.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think it needs to be a list. Yeah. Not saying that. Like, people in the content creators. Yeah, I agree.

[A]

Like, she is.

[B]

I feel like a list. I also, like, I love Robert. I really wanted out swim. But, like, I get it. He has, like, the. He stole the hearts of the like.

[A]

Yeah, of course he's gonna win Prince William.

[B]

Like, ye. Yeah.

[A]

Let me ask you guys a question. My favorite question to ask here at the toast. Who's your celebrity crush?

[B]

Oh, John, is yours changed?

[C]

Yeah, it's changed. Yeah.

[B]

I feel bad. It used to be.

[A]

Who?

[C]

Kate Beckinsale. And then I just saw a video of her.

I don't. How do I answer that?

[A]

No, she's like, a little kooky. Yeah, she's like a diff. Diff.

[C]

She said something about her daughter's boyfriend or like something about a eggs. Like he's at home putting seeds in her or something weird. She said something weird on like a talk show. Yeah.

[A]

So do you have a replacement or you're still thinking?

[C]

I'm still thinking.

[A]

I think.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

A lot.

[A]

That's a good show.

[B]

I'm like, remember you love her My.

[A]

Sister'S keeper or something? Yeah, yeah. But no, my sister's keeper was Cameron Diaz.

[B]

That was also very sad movie.

[C]

Her and her sister.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Mine is Jason Momoa. I love him.

[A]

That's an amazing.

[B]

I love him.

[A]

I love that you watch Game of Thrones. Like.

[B]

Yes, I just. But like.

[C]

And then he watch him in Chief of War.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

He's just.

[B]

I would find him, like.

[A]

And who do you guys get told that you look like?

[B]

I either.

[A]

Who?

[B]

Bob. That's a great one that I either get Lauren Lapkis or. Who's that? Spencer. She's the wrong missy.

[A]

Do you get Troy and Bellisario?

[B]

Yes, all the time.

[A]

Really? Literally. I get it all the time.

[B]

You think that we could be related?

[A]

You look like Troy and Bellisario. I don't see myself in Troy. And I get Snooki watch, too.

[B]

Oh, really? Yeah, I see Troy.

[A]

What was the name of the first one?

[B]

Lauren Lapkis. But I think because I also, like, have that wrong missy energy where I just, like, don't care about the faces that I made.

[A]

Lauren Lapkins.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I'm seeing it. Yeah, that's a good one. Okay. Fifth and final story is some mom drama.

[B]

Wait, is that it? I feel like it was so quick.

[A]

Oh, no, you're right. I forgot a story. Oh, Howard Stern is hitting back at Kim Kardashian. So on the most recent episode of Kardashians, she went to trial in Paris for the rock robbery. And she was saying how, like, one of the hardest parts at that time was, like, so many people did not believe her. And she literally called out Howard Stern being like. He would, like, joke on his radio show that I made it up or that it was, like, an insurance thing. And Howard Stern is not taking this criticism lying down. He's like, no, I didn't. And on his show, they played a clip from 2016 where he was like, you know, people are saying this is fake. I don't think it is. He literally said he doesn't think it is. Now, he did select one clip, and he selected it. Like, he does a show every single day. This was the biggest news story for a whole week, year. I don't feel like Kim would have come out swinging against Howard Stern unless she real. Unless he really did it. So I stand with Kim.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. Also, like, how are you going to. Even if she did make it up, like, why are we victim blaming here?

[A]

I know. And the thing is, when a celebrity makes something up and, like, the journey to finding the truth, like, you have to be really sensitive. We always talk about how, like, the first person to doubt Jussie Smollett was probably getting so much hate. And it wasn't until, like, some real evidence came out that, like, they were vindicated. But it's kind of a crazy thing to see, say, especially if it's not true. And it is my firm belief that Kim, like, actually was held up at gunpoint. Juicy SM was not. So I'm. I'm kind of, like, off Howard Stern. He was my fave for a while. I loved his book. He's just, like, pissing me off recently, and I'm just not into it.

[B]

I never really listened to him anyway.

[C]

So still around. I remember him from really Comedy Central when he was on there.

[A]

And then he's like the biggest radio show in the world.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like still people love him. Like people die for. For him and he's in so many homes. That's actually what his book was about. It was during the 2016 election and he was like, he was dying to get Hillary on dying, dying, dying. And he said, I'm in the home of 60 million Americans. The fact that she didn't come on he literally the whole thesis of his book was she lost. Because it was kind of a crazy thing to say. Wow. Yeah. And I do think it probably would have had an impact, but I think it was kind of like a little overestimation on his part, I guess.

[B]

Like a lot of people are still commuting and like. Yeah.

[A]

No, serious. Yeah. And he really is the biggest thing there. And when they said like when Howard stern leaves Sirius XM, like SiriusXM might not start survive. Like all the people who subscribe to SXM are paying for Howard.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah. What do you guys listen to besides the toast?

[B]

Like podcasts, radio, Depending on who they have. I do like smartless and I know.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah, I know, I know. I'm sorry. But like, you guys are number one.

[A]

The thing is smart list, like, is good.

[C]

I think the documentary they did was really fascinating.

[A]

I agree.

[C]

Especially cuz we're all in that space of pockets.

[A]

Why black and white, though?

[B]

I don't.

[A]

That really pissed me off. Filmmakers that give a thought.

[C]

Bateman's idea. He's like, let's make it artsy.

[B]

We'll get into a film festival if we do black and white.

[A]

Interesting how much they talk about food. I feel like that's such a girl thing. Like to talk extensively about food, but they aren't entertaining.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You think?

[C]

What, like how Bateman was acting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He is his character.

[A]

He's annoying. Like, I found him annoying.

[B]

You. I'm. I listen for their guests.

[A]

Yeah, right, Right. So you don't tune in every.

[B]

If I want to be a good.

[C]

Good time with Amy Holder.

[B]

Yeah. I love hers too also.

[A]

Just get the best.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like people who don't do.

[B]

But I love her energy. Me too.

[A]

She. I also think people really like her. That's the thing. I think that it's always random people. Celebrities. Not even the most famous celebrities who have like the biggest. Like, Dax Shepard is not that famous.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But I think celebrities happen to really like him in a personal way. And I think it always really helps.

[B]

Yeah. I like business ones. And then also crime ones, but, like, business.

[A]

Okay, business. Like what?

[B]

Yeah, well, depending on, again, who it is or what the topic is. Mel Robbins. I just feel like sometimes she has great takes. What were some other ones?

[A]

Ones like, do you believe in the let them theory?

[B]

I do, but I feel like, isn't that common sense?

[A]

I agree.

[B]

Like, of course.

[A]

Yeah. No, it was packaged really well. Like, her whole thing. Yeah. But the crux of it was, like, so you don't give a. Okay, cool.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Same. Right. Like, I don't.

[B]

I didn't need a whole, like, spiel, agree. Or bunk movement on it. Yeah, but like, she's not wrong and.

[A]

Like, get it, girl. Exactly right.

[B]

So, like, I'm not gonna hate on the podcaster.

[C]

Do you like listening to other podcasts? Podcast?

[A]

I can say with confidence, I don't think I've ever listened to a podcast, start to finish. I like video podcasts.

[C]

I can't do it.

[B]

It takes a lot of time.

[A]

It's the same way, like, when I was doing standup, I really did not like to watch standup specials because, like, I don't, like, I don't want it in my brain. And then, like, if I'm saying a joke, I might, like, repeat it. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Being influenced by someone.

[A]

I don't want to start copying other people subliminally. So I actually really do not listen to podcasts.

[B]

Yeah, that's smart.

[A]

Fifth and final story. Story. I'm obsessed with this story, and it makes me want to ask you a question. Are you in any, like, mom Facebook groups?

[B]

No. Should I be?

[A]

I'm not either. They're so toxic. And this thing is going viral from the Upper east side soccer mom group. So this woman wrote a post, and it went super viral. So she said, my son is joining a travel soccer team. He's never flown commercial, and I haven't flown commercial in a while. Would it be wrong of me to fly my. To fly private while my son flies with the team Team in coach. I know that parents often service chaperones, so I'm thinking of hiring his former nanny to serve as the chaperone. Am I a bad parent? I want to support him, but I want to be comfortable and not travel coach and stay at Holiday Inns. I feel like it's okay and actually better that he gets exposed to flying commercial. The comments were like, oh, I've dealt with this. Like, it wasn't like, it was so crazy. Some other woman was like, yeah, you know what? If you actually fly the Coaches, you will get more playing time for your son. Like, it's sort of. And the screenshot.

[C]

So out of touch. Yeah.

[A]

Right. These groups are also famously private. Like, if, you know, toxic Facebook. Have, like, craziest Facebook group. If you screenshot something, they'll find out who it is. They'll kick you out. So a lot of things like this, like, don't get leaked, but I guess this one was so absurd. And the comments were, like, not putting this woman in check. It was being like, yeah, like, get it.

[B]

Well, I was just gonna say, if it's an Upper east side group, like, I would. I'm surprised that the whole team isn't flying private.

[A]

Not only that, I need to get in this group. Like, that was my takeaway. Like, I'm obsessed. When can I catch a flight?

[B]

Yeah. Because I kind of like, if I'm, if I'm of that people, like, I, I, I, I kind of understand the question here.

[A]

Woman, do you know, like, her son's on the team? Her son has to fly coach. The son needs a chaperone. It's not going to be her. So. Yeah, hire the former nanny. I think she's very sound of mind. Well, if you're going with a whole.

[B]

Team, why, why do you need a.

[A]

Chaperone if you're going with the whole team? That's a good point.

[B]

I don't need to be there.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

And if this kid is like, 12, you're good.

[A]

You're good.

[B]

Three months. I'm coming.

[A]

No, of course. Diapers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Breastfeeding. Has to do it.

[B]

Like, he's not breastfeeding anymore.

[A]

Plane.

[B]

We're about to.

[A]

How long?

[B]

Five hours, L.A. vegas.

[C]

I don't know why I'm repeating.

[B]

We're doing it together.

[A]

What are you going to Vegas for?

[B]

Work trip. Okay, we're going to go. I'm, like, holding on to your leg as if, like, I'm so nervous to.

[A]

Remind you that he's here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Emotional support leg. Right.

[B]

I also forgot he was here for a minute. Like, he just.

[C]

If you guys want to breathe and turn my way, that's perfect, too. Right?

[B]

What are we doing there, John? Work trip.

[A]

Work trip.

[C]

Trip. But we're kind of. I want to keep her home. I want to keep her home.

[A]

No, take her with you. Exactly.

[B]

I can't leave her behind.

[A]

We flew for the first time to la, which was.

Middle of October. He was maybe five months, four. Okay.

[B]

How did it go?

[A]

The younger they are, it's so easy. She will eat and sleep the whole time. Like, I hope so. It's literally, like. It's not hard.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've done a couple of flights since then, going back and forth to Florida to see Jackie. And each time we go, the older he is, it gets harder and harder. Okay.

[B]

I would think that going to Florida. Florida is easy. Like, it's.

[A]

Yeah. It depends on the time. Like, you're gonna be completely fine. Feed her when you take off, Feed her. When on the way down, feed her. Anytime she starts crying, just feed, feed, feed. Sleep, sleep, sleep.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Like, she's not on any sort of schedule yet, is she?

[B]

No, you're fine.

[A]

She'll sleep and eat the whole time. It's actually quite easy.

[B]

Okay, good.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I just, like, don't want her to get sick. I know she's a huge concern.

[A]

That's why, you know, like, the most amazing thing you could do for a baby. No. Feed her.

[B]

Oh. Feed her.

[A]

Like, when you give her a kiss, if you get, like, a bacteria, if there's like a germ on her face, you will kiss the germ. And by the time you feed her next, you will have created an antibody for that. Like, the best thing you could do is feed her.

[B]

She and John can't rub my back. Like.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

All I know is she gets sick. I'm blaming Alex.

[B]

No, if anything, I'm blaming you. And I'm the one who's going to be healing her.

[A]

Alex, like, can't get her sick. You can.

[B]

Exactly. So you're the problem.

[A]

Yeah. Alex literally can't get her.

[B]

But anyway, so should we fly her private? No, we're not. We're flying commercial.

[A]

But, yeah, that's an option.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But we will not. Maybe when she's 12, like, we'll send her off with her soccer team.

[A]

Yes, of course. Of course. Kids do need to rough it. I like that. This mom is like, well, the kid can fly. She's right. The kid should be exposed.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But she's like, for me, like, I love that.

[B]

I don't know. I don't really blame her. You, like, if you can work yourself to a place that, like, you don't have to fly.

[C]

I guess I could. People who are going to be like, this is.

[B]

You're gonna hate us, whatever.

[C]

But I mean, well, we're not in that position. So I feel like, okay, talk about. Because if I was, I wouldn't want to speak on it because I'd feel like tone deaf. Of course, if you have the means to do that, and anyone who's shitting on these people, if they're in that position. They would do the same thing. Of course you have an ungodly amount of money. Why am I going to torture myself?

[A]

The kid doesn't want you on the flight anyway. He wants to hang with friends.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm more annoyed that you have them in travel sport. That's a whole nother thing. I have an issue with travel sports. I played travel sports when I was a kid.

[B]

You did?

[C]

Yeah. Because I'm an athlete, of course.

[A]

Athletic.

[C]

So there's a whole thing on Tick Tock and Instagram now. Parents talking about travel sports. Is it good for the kid or is it not? Because, like, they don't have any downtime. They're spending time with their family. Like, I'm not gonna put you in four sports. And year round we're in a different state.

[B]

Everybody thinks their kid is gonna go pro.

[A]

What was your experience?

[C]

That's another thing. Why do parents do that? Like, I'm gonna live vicariously through my kid. My kid's the one that's gonna make money.

[A]

And it's so coach.

[C]

So sp. Stupid.

[A]

Yeah. What are your guys favorite movies?

[B]

Oh, great.

[C]

SA Ryan.

[A]

Never seen it.

[C]

What?

[A]

I know, I know. Really? Yeah.

[B]

People are going to hate me for this, but I love it because of just the film making and the storytelling and the comedy. But I love Wolf of Wall Street. I do love it.

[A]

That's a great answer. Okay. Yeah, I think you were to say like, the Revenant.

[B]

Oh, no, no.

[A]

Like, I literally didn't understand.

[B]

No, like artistic movies that like win Oscars, I hate. I'm like very much like, like Leo.

[C]

They nod to Leo for an Oscar, though. I mean, Inception, amazing movie. Shutter island, amazing movie.

[A]

Of all the movies he's been nominated for, probably the worst one is the Revenant. I literally left the theater. I was so confused. Yeah, no, he looked like he was getting like. There's the scene he's like attacked by a bear. I thought him and the bear were having sex and I was like, this is weird.

[B]

I feel like they just were like, we need to give him something. And this is.

[A]

But like Django, like all the movies, like, that's the one.

[C]

So many other. Yeah.

[A]

Catch me if you can.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Movie.

[B]

So, yeah, I don't know. I. I like very. John says I like, like the worst movies.

[C]

Well, I'm going to gauge up. What's your answer to that?

[A]

Okay, so I have a few. I don't feel like you could just say one, but I would. Here's my top five. Mean Girls love Clueless, Legally Blonde, Romeo Michelle's High school reunion. That's enough.

[C]

So good.

[B]

I haven't seen that in a Romeo.

[A]

Michelle is probably my most quoted movie. We talked about it at late yesterday with Joey because he's like, I'm the Mary, you're the rota. I'm like, you quoting Michelle and Remy, do you feel like you're more of a Romeo or a Michelle?

[B]

See, but I haven't watched it in 1 million years. And that's why I need to, like, do a refresh because I forgot about first of all.

[A]

And I actually think you would like Romeo and Michelle.

[C]

Yeah, I like Mean Girls.

[B]

Yeah, Mean Girls is the best. And I feel like. And like Stepbrothers. Like, I feel like those classic comedies. Like, I can never. Like, if I'm going to make a movie, I feel like I want it to have the impact that Mean Girls had. But, like, does that exist anymore? No. Or Bridesmaids.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Can that exist?

[A]

The way the cultural impact of Mean Girls, especially on girls our age, like, the way my whole worldview is shaped by Mean Girls. I don't know what that says about our generation, but it is the truth. And you're right. I think, like, with movies and streamers, like, nothing is impactful anymore. Like, it's viral for a couple of minutes. But Barbie.

[B]

But.

[A]

Yeah, but you know I have a hot take on Barbie.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, but okay, so we have Bridesmaids, Mean Girls, and then.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

What I was going to say is that. What's her name? Oh, my God. I can't even think of her name right now. Off the spot.

[A]

Spot who?

[B]

She was a Notebook the same year. How she did both of those in the same year.

[A]

That's rain.

[B]

I need heard more things.

[A]

I know.

[C]

Detective. Good show.

[A]

She was also in Spotlight. Did you see Spotlight about the Catholic church covering? So good. Stanley Chuchi was also in it.

[B]

Did we.

[A]

I feel like I watched Prada is probably in my top five.

[B]

Yeah. That's so good.

[A]

Can't wait for that genre of, like, early 2000s. Yeah.

[B]

Like, not mean, but movies that feel like a movie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Movies that feel like how to lose a guy in 10 days.

[A]

Great movie.

[C]

Things I hate about you.

[A]

Great movie.

[B]

There's also someone talking about Netflix lighting. Yes, totally. People talk about now, like, movies that have Netflix lighting where it's just like, the quality is too good. It's too crispy. Like, we need to scale back the quality of our cameras so that it feels nostalgic and, like, rainy in a way.

[A]

That's funny.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What's it called? Netflix lighting.

[B]

Yeah. Where it's just like movies that feel too real.

[A]

It all just looks like a David do vlog. It's. So who are your favorite creators? Like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who do you follow?

[C]

I actually saw David do once at Equinox in LA and oh yeah. Was a little annoyed.

[A]

You were annoyed?

[C]

Yeah, cuz I'm. There's one leg press machine and no on him but he was sitting on it on his phone. He had 145 player side and I'm just waiting and he.

[A]

Was he actually using the machine or just sitting on his foot?

[B]

You leg pumps.

[A]

No. That's annoying.

[C]

Alex, you weren't even there.

[B]

He's like, don't I literally I was on the stair master and I was.

[C]

Like at some point.

[A]

That's annoying.

[C]

Can I get on there? Get on there for like 30 minutes. Not doing anything.

[B]

I hate when you say I wasn't there. I was there.

[C]

Alex likes to tell stories a lot of times when she's not there. Like just because I could tell a story better than you, which I know you can.

[B]

Are a bad story.

[A]

I want to say I do identify here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

With Al.

[C]

Alex.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Because even if I wasn't there, I've heard the story enough times to tell it better and just sort of get to the point when it comes to Ben's storytelling ability.

[C]

Oh. To sum up this podcast. I know you guys are very compatible. Like there's. I don't. I think anyone in this room knows that you two are perfect.

[B]

I'm sorry that like we can hold. Capture a room with a story and.

[C]

Then you just room suck all the air out of the room.

[B]

Whatever, John, you're just jealous.

[A]

I would love to know if you and Ben would get along.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

You did. Yeah, we at Spread Sprint last time I saw he was busy.

[B]

He was like. He was like, you know, having to do his rounds. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Okay, well, we'll have to get together.

[C]

Him and Josh Pek have a podcast.

[A]

Yes. They host a weekly podcast.

[C]

Josh a couple times too.

[B]

Oh, in. At events.

[A]

Yeah. Josh is so nice.

[B]

So nice.

[A]

Were you also of like Ben how you're 38. So Ben's 33. And like for him growing up like his idol was Josh. Like he loved Drake and Josh.

[B]

It really.

[A]

I didn't even realize cuz Jackie's husband too, like that was sort of how like Hannah Montana for me, like raised me.

[B]

Did you ever go to the Hannah Montana concerts? Of course I did.

[A]

It was the first concert I went to. Best of both worlds.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I went Miley at the Nassau Coliseum. You met her. No.

[B]

Oh wait. Oh wait, I thought you just said you met her.

[C]

Sorry.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, the one of the NASA Colum.

[B]

Yeah, so did I. Okay.

[A]

First concert.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So good.

[B]

So good.

[A]

And that's what Jake and Josh was for. Boys. I didn't realize that cuz I didn't have any brothers. Growing. Growing up like is. Was that your experience too?

[C]

No, no, I never watched it.

[A]

You never watched it?

[C]

No.

[B]

You weren't like a Nickelodeon or.

[C]

I never knew. For example, I never knew Josh was bigger when he was younger.

[B]

Really?

[C]

I never knew.

[A]

Skinny Josh, by the way. Love to hear you say that because like people still remember him just always as fat. And he lost like over £100 like 20 years ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And people still. He said when he was last here, he told me like people come up to him on the street being like, oh my God, you look so good. You lost so much weight. That was 20 years ago.

[B]

No way.

[A]

He was 19. He lost almost 40.

[C]

Putting this in person perspective. TGIF, when that was on, was that Nickelodeon?

[A]

What the hell is tgif?

[B]

I have no idea.

[C]

Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Sabrina the Teenage Witch World.

[A]

Yeah. Boy Meets World.

[B]

Yeah, Got it. Okay. Yeah, I was definitely more like Raven. That's a Raven. And Wizards a little bit.

[A]

Even Stevens movie.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

I love to Dom.

[B]

Yeah. What's your favorite dcom Mean?

[A]

Disney Channel original movie.

[B]

I got to think on that. Oh, Smart House. I love.

[A]

Literally. You're so Smart House. I knew you were going to say so cool. I know. You know, I actually recently rewatched it. Let me tell you, it does not withstand. The time is so stupid.

[B]

Yeah, I'm sure like the technology too was probably just like lame.

[A]

Yeah, it's like literally an iPhone I.

[B]

Have to look through though. Like it's like when some people are like again, what's your favorite movie? Like what's your favorite song? I'm like, I need to see questions.

[A]

These are big questions.

[B]

Can't they. I'm like, which one do I remember?

[A]

That's kind of hard hitting journalism you can come to expect here at the Toast. So I'll just leave you guys with that.

[B]

You know my favorite part though about this podcast is that you don't mind a good segue.

[A]

I would love to know your favorite.

[B]

Yeah, well, I just, I feel like on our podcast when we talk it's just like we segue but then like we try to try to Not.

[A]

But I love that people get too lost in the sauce on a Segway. Like being looking for the perfect. Sometimes it's okay to just be like. And that's our show.

[B]

Yeah. Thank you.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like just wrap it up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't. Don't think too much about it. That'll be my advice.

[B]

Facts. I like that.

[A]

Thank you guys so much for being here. It has been an absolute pleasure to get to pod and I cannot wait to make a tick tock with you.

[B]

Thank you so much for having us. This has been a joy. It feels like it's been five minutes and I could go on for hours.

[C]

This is actually a pretty easy podcast for me. So thanks for having me.

[A]

Appreciate it.

[C]

I can't wait to get back on the train and an hour.

[B]

So happy for you, John.

[A]

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