Joy, Light & Positivity: Thursday, September 25th, 2025

Summary

The Toast — "Joy, Light & Positivity"

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Release Date: September 25, 2025

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of The Toast centers on embracing joy, light, and positivity during the special ten days between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, as the hosts reflect on cultural traditions, personal updates, celebrity news, and a detailed Dancing with the Stars recap. Jackie and Claudia balance candid moments about their lives with witty commentary on top trending stories, guided by their trademark humorous banter.

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Main Segments & Key Insights

1. The Ten Days of Awe — Personal Reflections & Jewish Traditions

Timestamps: 00:36–03:13

• Jackie and Claudia discuss how they're on their "best behavior" during the ten days between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, acknowledging how this period traditionally urges self-improvement and kindness.
• Jackie jokes about struggling to avoid gossip (lashon hara) even in synagogue:

  “I literally kept very into lush and her up… which is like a huge sin and you're really not supposed to do it. And I kept, like, leaning over and being like, oh my God. And I literally had to stop myself.” (01:21)

• Both share family experiences at synagogue, with Jackie attending services and Claudia wrangling toddlers in the playground.
• Notable Moment: During synagogue, someone’s water broke but, due to UN Week traffic in Manhattan, she had to give birth in an ambulance parked outside—an event that leads to laughs and memories about urban life.

2. Personal Updates: Work Woes & Future Plans

Timestamps: 03:56–07:06

• Claudia reveals a major inconvenience: her office building’s AC will be out for the remainder of the year. She humorously reads the building’s blasé notification email, sparking discussion on logistics, studio setups, and the appeal of decamping to Florida or even "abroad sabbaticals."
• Jackie is preparing for maternity leave, and Claudia assures listeners that the show won’t be going on hiatus again, promising guest-hosted and travel episodes during the transition.

3. Behind-the-Scenes Toast: Wedding Q&A, Reflection on ‘Cancel Culture’

Timestamps: 08:09–11:14

• The sisters recount recording a special Patreon wedding Q&A, which unexpectedly led them to revisit their own 2018 cancellation:

  “We ended up doing quite possibly the scariest thing on the planet… we just ended up talking about our cancellation. Because all roads in life lead back to the time we truly got canceled in 2018.” (09:25)

• They recall deeper emotions tied to their personal milestones, such as navigating engagements amidst public drama, and offer relatable encouragements about parenting milestones and not comparing child development.

4. Fast 5 Stories: The Must-Know News

Timestamps: 14:26 onward

Story 1: Jimmy Kimmel Returns

Timestamps: 20:42–27:35

• After a four-day suspension due to controversy, Jimmy Kimmel returns to late night, delivering an emotional but unapologetic monologue.
• Hosts recap industry history, noting similar past firings (notably Chris Harrison and Bill Maher) and musing on the future of late night TV.

  "It wasn't a listen and learn, do better moment." — Claudia (23:06)

• Discussion touches on shifting audience tastes, network internal politics, and how high-profile suspensions impact viewership.

Story 2: Rihanna Welcomes Baby Girl

Timestamps: 27:38–34:01

• Announcement: Rihanna and A$AP Rocky welcomed their third child, a girl named Rocky. Hosts riff on the confusion (naming a daughter after her dad), recall anecdotes about pet-naming confusion, and playfully dissect naming conventions.
• Claudia muses about siblings sharing similar name sounds:

  "Growing up all the time, when somebody would, like, shout across the house, Olivia, Claudia. I never knew if they were talking to me or Olivia…" (31:48)

Story 3: Stassi Schroeder Turns on Meghan Markle (and Mentions The Toast)

Timestamps: 34:02–44:13

• Stassi Schroeder publicly criticizes Meghan Markle after not receiving PR gifts (while Jackie & Claudia did)—even though Stassi has defended Meghan more loyally:

  "She said Meghan cares, like, more about what her haters think of her than her fans. If she's trying to, like, court people who, like, don't love her, and she's not tending to those who do." (37:35)

• Jackie and Claudia clarify there’s no beef with Stassi, and they commiserate about the irrational world of celebrity PR and influencer relationships. Jackie shares her own stance on Kelly Clarkson fandom, noting, sometimes, loving a public figure is about the joy it brings, not reciprocity.

Story 4: Taylor Swift Stalker Update

Timestamps: 50:16–55:37

• Taylor Swift is granted a five-year restraining order against a stalker repeatedly showing up at her LA home.
• The hosts speculate this may explain her reduced public appearances during the album and football season, referencing the broader challenges and ongoing anxiety caused by stalkers—even for celebrities with robust security protocols.

  "It's great that she had a restraining order, but, like, crazy people don't care about a piece of paper." — Claudia (52:36)

• Side discussion: Taylor’s potential falling out with Blake Lively and the ripple effects of legal drama on public personas.

Story 5: Dancing with the Stars Recap

Timestamps: 56:19–74:34

• An animated analysis of the week’s eliminations, performances, and ongoing voting confusion.
• Critiques:
  • The voting process is excessively convoluted (“Even if they told me they got 1 billion votes, I would not give a—It’s not a slay.” — Jackie, 58:16)
  • Partner match-ups can greatly advantage or disadvantage contestants
• Highlights:
  • Danielle Fishel powers through a hamstring injury.
  • Alex Earl is described as improving impressively, mastering stage presence.
  • Andy Richter’s comedic presence is a fan favorite.
  • The hosts heap praise on Elaine Hendricks and Whitney Leavitt, noting choreography and performance quality.
• Broader complaints about show structure—lack of standardized dance themes and rushed eliminations.

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Notable Quotes

• On choosing kindness during the High Holidays:
  “We have to be nice. Like, our lives depend on it.” — Jackie (01:17)

• On cancel culture & public platforms:
  “Because all roads in life lead back to the time we truly got canceled in 2018.” — Claudia (09:25)

• On late night TV’s future:
  “It is this sort of old school format that isn't going to be around forever. It is being replaced...” — Claudia (25:29)

• On the chaos of DWTS voting:
  “Even if they told me they got 1 billion votes, I would not give a—It’s not a slay.” — Jackie (58:16)

• On Taylor’s stalker fears:
  “It's great that she had a restraining order, but, like, crazy people don't care about a piece of paper.” — Claudia (52:36)

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Memorable Moments

• Unexpected synagogue story: A woman’s water breaks during services, but due to UN Week traffic, must give birth in an ambulance.
• Office AC Fiasco: Claudia’s dramatic reading of a building email turns a mundane facility update into podcast gold.
• Celebrity PR Drama: The saga of who gets sent Meghan Markle’s jam becomes a comedic reflection on the randomness of influencer perks.
• Dancing with the Stars hot takes: The sisters’ blend of insider knowledge and viewer frustration on DWTS logistics and pairings delivers some of the episode’s sharpest laughs.

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Episode Flow & Energy

Jackie and Claudia speak in their signature quick back-and-forth, peppering takes with affectionate teasing and self-aware humor. Despite the underlying personal challenges (being on "best behavior," prepping for maternity, work stress), their tone remains upbeat, candid, and relatable, creating a warm, plugged-in sense of community for loyal listeners.

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For New Listeners

This episode typifies The Toast:

• Insightful pop culture breakdowns (always with a twist)
• Personal anecdotes that invite the audience “behind the velvet rope”
• A balance of light-heartedness and real-talk, especially around parenting, work-life, and the oddities of influencer culture
• Witty, memorable soundbites sure to fuel inside jokes among "Toasters"

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• Extended ad reads (content resumes around 20:42 for Fast 5 stories)

Best for:
Fans of sisterly banter, those craving a pulse on pop culture, or anyone who wants a fun, personality-packed recap of news, trends, and reality TV highlights—delivered with genuine warmth and self-deprecating wit.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[B]

It's your favorite show, the Fast 5 things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly.

[A]

It's the Toast. They sound amazing.

[B]

Welcome back to the toast. Hope everybody had a delicious and sweet new year. The toast is back and sweeter than ever.

[A]

Sweeter than ever, you guys. These are the 10 days in between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur where we are judged for the rest of the year. So, like, if Claudia and I seem extra sweet, less talky, we're try, like, we're on our best behavior. So it never really works. It never works. We do this every year because, of course, like, These are the 10 days where, like, you want to be on your best behavior.

[B]

These are, like two marquee holidays in the Jewish new in the Jewish calendar. Like, the first is Rosh Hashanah, which is our happy new year. And then 10 days later is like a. It's called the day of atonement. You're fast and you just, like, apologize for all your sins. And so in the 10 days between them, like, you got to be on your best behavior. It's like, it's when, like, you went into the book of life or not right or other.

[A]

So, like, our. We have to be nice. Like, our lives depend on it.

[B]

And the thing is, I can't, because let me tell you something. Everyone obviously, obviously, it's hard. Everyone's ugly and stupid. But over the holiday, I went to synagogue and, like, you know, you're aware of your own self in synagogue, but, like, there's really not much to do in synagogue besides, like, chat. And I literally kept very into lush and her up lush. And Hera is like gossip, but, like, negative gossip, which is like a huge sin and you're really not supposed to do it. And I kept, like, leaning over and being like, oh, my God. And I literally had to stop myself. I couldn't even stop myself in synagogue. Like, how are you going to stop.

[A]

Yourself when you're literally being paid to do it when it's your job?

[B]

Correct? And, like, thus brings on the annual conversation about how gossip is really not a bad thing.

[A]

It's how people stay informed ourselves.

[B]

It's an exchange of information. Everybody knows that.

[A]

But I am trying to be positive in these 10 days. Think positive thoughts. We went to synagogue this weekend, too, and going to shul with, like, toddlers is so different. I literally didn't even sit in the sanctuary we were, like, out in the playground the whole time having a ball and.

[B]

So cute.

[A]

Yeah, it's really cute. And I was just like, got to chill out.

[B]

Well, something crazy. I didn't even tell you this happened at my sh. Oh, somebody's water broke.

[A]

Oh, my God. I can. I can see it. Because when we did have to, when we came in, because all the kids came in for the shofar, we all stood and heard the shofar because the tour was out, and it was a lot of standing for a pregnant lady.

[B]

Oh, my God. I was dying, and, like, my feet were killing me with so much standing. And actually, the men and women are seated separately, so I wasn't with Ben. And, you know, a lot of the action happens on the men's side. Like, they take out the Torah. They, like, lead. And so I look over at one point, and what do I see? My husband holding the Torah. I was so proud. I'm like, yeah, get in there, Ben. Hold that Torah up.

[A]

Oh, my goodness. What an honor.

[B]

A leader in his community, some would say.

[A]

That's so beautiful.

[B]

So it was also UN Week General Assembly. So if you live in Manhattan, you know, like, for a week of the year, like, all the U.N. delegates come to the U.N. they stay in the city, they meet in the city. They cause so much traffic. So this poor girl whose water broke, she could not get an Uber to take her to the hospital that they called an ambulance, a hatzala, and it was parked outside the shul. I'm pretty sure she gave birth in the ambulance.

[A]

Oh, my God. That is a nightmare.

[B]

It was a nightmare.

[A]

That's a nightmare. UN Week is just. It's the reason why I moved. People ask, like, why did you leave New York? It's UN week. I live 51 weeks for one.

[B]

For two. Yeah. Speaking of nightmare, I'm actually actively living through a nightmare scenario. Okay, I have to read you guys this email I got two days ago. Oh, okay. The nonchalant nature of this files. Hello.

[A]

Hi.

[B]

We are writing to let you know that the building's central air conditioning at blank, blank, blank, your office building will be out of service for the remainder of the year. We understand this is inconvenient. Sorry for the disruption. Wait. Sry. Wait to help. In the interim, we can provide portable fans at no cost.

[A]

Oh, that's so darling. Do you tell them you already have your own?

[B]

If you'd like the fans delivered, please reply with the following information. Okay.

[A]

What are you gonna do? I mean, I can hear you've got fans going as Much as you can. But, like, so I know I do.

[B]

Have a fan on me right now. If you hear my little, like, remote clicking, it's just, mind your business. Obviously, this won't stand. I am fighting with the company. Like, first of all, like, them just being like, oh, by the way, we're setting the building on fire. I hope this isn't inconvenient. Like, where's my discount? First of all, on my rent. Obviously, I can't be here, but, like.

[A]

Why can't you fix it till the end of the year?

[B]

Like, what about what happens in 2026?

[A]

What about next week or the week after?

[B]

So I'm now starting to make plans. I will not stay here. Like, this is not okay. But I just built this whole studio. Like, here's what I'm thinking. I need to get to the end of the year.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm gonna be spending time with you. Obviously, I'm gonna have to go down to Florida.

[A]

Love that.

[B]

For us to support my sister.

[A]

I love that. You're always welcome. You're always welcome in my home. If this was you, like, saying you want to come live with me and.

[B]

No, But I will be, like, spending time down in Florida. So I can use your studio. I can use a podcast studio down there. It is also your maternity leave, which we haven't really spoken about, but Jackie's taking time off from. From the show. But the show is not on hiatus again. We wouldn't do that to you twice in one year. So I will be, like, recording episodes with people so I can do that at different studios in New York. Maybe I'll, like, travel abroad. You know, do like, an LA week.

[A]

A sabbatical. Well, and we love L. A sabbatical.

[B]

Means, like, you're not working.

[A]

Maybe take a. Like a semester abroad.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. I cannot stay here. Like, this simply won't do.

[A]

Okay. Turdy's going abroad.

[B]

Yeah. Should we do. I actually had a dream. I went to Florence. Firenze. What? Guess. Would you get Fedez and Kiara Chiara.

[A]

Team Chiara.

[B]

Team Chiara.

[A]

Well, that's a bummer. I'm sorry.

[B]

No, no. And I just got this place, like, really, truly decked out, set up. I hung all my artwork. This is crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Didn't see that for Q4. No frames. Frameless. Well, I'll be here with my frames.

[B]

So everyone's gonna be devastated. No frames. We haven't talked about the frames in a while.

[A]

They never stood a chance.

[B]

Today's show is part delicious. Let me tell you why. We've got Dancing with the Stars. We've got Dancing with the Stars recap.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's why it's part delicious. That's the only reason I'm a woman possessed. I'm obsessed with Dancing with the Stars.

[A]

No. But also, it's a Thursday. That feels like a Monday. And actually, a lot of stuff happened in the few days that we're off, so, like, we have pargie stories. A lot to talk about.

[B]

Also, we have a story that's kind of meta.

[A]

We do. There's a story about us.

[B]

It kind of involves us.

[A]

Yeah. Even if it didn't, I would have chosen it because it's a story. But, like, it just. So I hope that, you know, you guys can appreciate our take, even though we will have to, of course, not be biased because we are involved. But I hope you guys could still enjoy it. And then we're also. It's going to be a part delicious episode because we're trying to be really nice.

[B]

Oh, I forgot about that. Okay, so we're trying to be really nice. Yeah.

[A]

We're saying anything.

[B]

We only diss the UN. And that's what God would want.

[A]

Yeah. 1,000%.

[B]

You look beautiful today. In the spirit of being nice. You really do. I'm not just saying that because I want to get into heaven.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much.

[B]

You're looking, like, really like basketball. You know those women who look like they swallowed a basketball? They don't even look pregnant from the back.

[A]

Oh, wow. Thank you. No, this is, like, my new state of being. Like, everywhere I sit, it looks like I'm on a peanut ball, like, bouncing up and down, leg spread. Yeah. Just doing what I have to do.

[B]

Listen, you do you. And of course, it goes without saying, if you ever need, like, a day off, take it. I feel like I didn't, like, take any days off, like, towards. Especially towards the end of my pregnancy. Like, that was. So I took one day off when I had a really bad headache. Like, we're so crazy. We're such hard workers.

[A]

We are so crazy, and we are hard workers. And it's like, I just appreciate the job so much, and it's like, even if I'm not, like, feeling my feeling, it's like, come on, let's go. You could do 100.

[B]

You can do it.

[A]

You got this. You've got this. But I don't. I feel. I feel. Well, today. We recorded a Patreon yesterday, so we actually haven't been, like, totally off. You know, we can never Actually stop working. We just. We just can't turn off.

[B]

The hustle never sleeps.

[A]

We recorded a Patreon yesterday, wedding Q&As, part two, and this one got, like, extra personal. The first one was more about, like, weddings in general. This was, like, about our weddings, our engagements. And we wound up, of course, it became tag toast at a glance.

[B]

We ended up doing quite possibly the scariest thing on the planet. Of course, we were talking about weddings and we just ended up talking about our cancellation. Because all roads in life lead back to the time we truly got canceled in 2018.

[A]

No, the question. It wasn't even us being us. Like, the question wanted to know the story of our engagements and I happened to be get engaged on the day that we got canceled. So we were, like, in our camera rolls from that day.

[B]

So, yeah, we were like, what if we. I haven't done this ever. Like, went back to the day we got canceled in our camera rolls and, like, saw what was happening. Oh, it wasn't even then. We ended up going like, four or five days later. And it actually gets worse as we go. I had, like, emails screenshotted that I was sharing with. Oh, my God. It was such a funny episode. It was a great episode if you're, like, in your bridal era.

[A]

But it's fun at the end, as.

[B]

Most things do, honestly.

[A]

Yeah, But I actually. We were talking about what our wedding songs were. That was one of the questions. Like, what was your first dance song? And we were talking about yours, your wedding song, which is yours by Russell Dickerson. And I wanted to tell you I had it in my head yesterday. And so I was, like, singing it at bedtime to, like, Charlie and stuff. And you should really sing it to Ru and really make it a part of your life. It's a beautiful song because it also applies to baby. I. I came to life when I first kissed you. The best me has his arms around you. You make me better than I was before.

[B]

I like that.

[A]

Thank God. Like, it's partialish.

[B]

Can I ask your question? I hate to be like a toxic mama milestone, but, like, when does your.

[A]

Baby start rolling over? Well, well, well, well. You're definitely, like, in the window of starting. I just remember for me, with Harry, I wasn't, like, really expecting it. I remember I was, like, watching on the Night. I'm like, hey, I think we got a roll. But then with Charlie, I really wanted him to roll because he really liked to sleep on his belly. So I was, like, waiting for it. And it took forever.

[B]

But like, what month?

[A]

I remember we were in Dallas, so it was March, and he was born in August.

[B]

Oh, okay. So I'm fine.

[A]

That's a long time. No, I was waiting a long time.

[B]

Okay. Because at the doctor, they were like, is he showing signs? I'm like, signs. I'm like, I thought that was next year. Like, he's so not showing signs.

[A]

Okay, so he's on the Charlie train King. And that's like.

[B]

That's my breach King. Like, he just chills.

[A]

He just chills.

[B]

He chills hard.

[A]

Yeah. And you know what? Most of his, like, all of it. Like, 99 of his chillness is, like, so amazing.

[B]

Yeah. I'm not complaining. So.

[A]

Because he's not, like, getting after it on the rolling. You have to take the. You have to focus on the good.

[B]

Us suffers. We're not the most athletic bunch. It's okay. So he'll be a scholar.

[A]

Why do you want him to roll? Like, what's that gonna do for me? It was like. Because then he could sleep on his belly and, like, he wasn't sleeping well.

[B]

No, nothing. I just don't want him to be missing milestones. Like, I'm just keeping up with what I'm supposed to be keeping up with.

[A]

Listen, Rue's gonna run his own race.

[B]

So true.

[A]

Like, Fu will do it on his own time. And I just know him. He's kind of like his mother. If you push him and you tell him what to do, he's gonna take longer. Pretend like you don't care. You have to pretend like you don't care. That's, like, how I have to deal with you. If I want you to do something, I have to pretend like I don't care.

[B]

Oh, my God. Okay. I didn't know you were handling me like such a mental patient.

[A]

Okay, don't watch Downton Abbey. Don't read. Okay, you won't like it.

[B]

I also forgot to tell you, and then we could dive in because, like, I know we have a busy day, but, like, I just want to tell you, and I'm gonna be annoying in secret project, everyone. I'll tell you guys tomorrow, but I'm actually doing something crazy tonight.

[A]

Okay, can now you have to text me.

[B]

Okay, so I'm meeting someone.

[A]

Okay, Do. Have you told me anything about this?

[B]

I think I have, but I can't remember.

[A]

She's meeting someone, and I just want.

[B]

To say every time I go to text you, I almost text Jack. Like, tongue. Like, every single time. Ben's best friend. The amount of information and I tell Jackie, like, sensitive things. The amount of information he almost always.

[A]

Gets, he wouldn't even know what to do with it. I'm excited. Who are you? Okay.

[B]

I texted it to you.

[A]

Oh, cool.

[B]

Yeah, Exciting. It is. I'll tell you guys about it tomorrow.

[A]

Not what I thought. Like, I don't know what I thought, but cool. We can't wait to hear about it tomorrow. That's always fun.

[B]

Yeah, I like to sprinkle a little bit of. You know, let's sprinkle some seeds. Create a little bit of a hype, you know?

[A]

Yeah, there's major hype.

[B]

I'm kind of a hype beast.

[A]

We both are.

[B]

100%.

[A]

We're actually not, and that's a fault of ours, but we are.

[B]

And that's why we'll never be true successes.

[A]

It's true. But we are who we are. I'm like, I'm. I'm happy with who I am.

[B]

Oh, so am I. I believe it was a great Kesha who once said, we are who we are.

[A]

Yeah. Well, let's get into the stories, because as we mentioned, we have a lot to discuss.

[B]

Much mention children. Oh, good for.

[A]

What'd you say?

[B]

Mention it all.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Thank you for Turt.

[B]

I wish that I could have this item for life. For life.

[A]

Thank you. Hello, Turt. Our first story, the war on free speech is over.

[B]

Jimmy Kimmel, I thought you were saying Dancing with the Stars. I'm like, what did they say on Dancing with the Stars?

[A]

Jim? Four days later, Jimmy, I forgot. Back on the air, his show came back. And I just want to say I never, like, dunk on everyone, but, like, I literally said this was gonna happen.

[B]

Well, yeah, I think, like, the reaction from people, whether you, like, thought whether people were excited that his show, everyone's like, he's canceled. Well, it did say temporary suspension, so. And so people who were excited about that got ahead of themselves. And people who were devastated about it got ahead of themselves too, because they said, we're just going to take time off to see, you know, the vibes. Some people did not put him back on. So his show was not back 100%. I believe it was back 80%.

[A]

Next air and Sinclair, they're still not airing his.

[B]

Sinclair, are you okay?

[A]

Next Air and Sinclair, they're not airing the show. They're still preempting it and running other programming. So he's not back 100% of the country. But as far as, like ABC and what they can control in terms of like Disney proper broadming him or not, they brought him back. His show is back. So it was a long and hard four days, but free speech wins.

[B]

I have a question. Did you see the footage, like paparazzi of him leaving his studio and then like, packing things up? They have to rebuild his whole set. Why were they taking it down? Like I said, it was a suspension. It wasn't a firing.

[A]

I don't know. And I didn't. I saw that, like, he was filmed, like, leaving somewhere, but I didn't watch it. So I don't know.

[B]

What did you watch his monologue?

[A]

I watched what he said when he came back. And in this one, like, he was emotional, saying that he never. It was.

[B]

I thought it was appropriate. Like, I think that, like, he had a lot to say. You know, he became the face of, like, this movement. And I thought. And I know he didn't want to apologize. I think that's what the Hollywood Reporter had said. And that's also why it took four days. Because I think there was a lot of back and forth on what he was like, agreeing to say. But all in all, I think, like, he got his point across, which was like, his message. But also, like, he did say, like, no, it's a terrible tragedy. And you know what? Think about Jimmy Kimmel. Man loves to cry. He's gonna cry.

[A]

When in doubt, give it to you.

[B]

But that was an appropriate time to cry. And I believed it. I thought it was good.

[A]

Yeah, I thought it was good too. But also he didn't like, out. You know, he was. It wasn't like a groveling apology like, I'm so sorry. Bad, Jimmy, bad. It was more of like a clarification and just sort of.

[B]

It wasn't a listen and learn, do better moment.

[A]

No. Which, which is interesting. But yeah, I agree. Like, I think he struck the right tone while also, like, he's not going to say something that he doesn't feel.

[B]

Which, which you know what? I do respect, like, people who just like, say whatever to get their shows back or like, to get back in the good graces. Like, if you don't believe it, don't say it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. But this was, it's been an interesting one and there's been a lot of, like, comparisons to the way that ABC has handled other things, like, in the last few years, like, I'm sorry, I can't help but think of Chris Harrison watching this being like, oh my God.

[B]

I forgot about Chris Harrison. Four days.

[A]

It's been four years.

[B]

What I didn't know was that Jimmy Kimmel got his show because the time slot before it was Jimmy Kimmel was a Bill Maher late night show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And Bill Maher said something extremely unsavory about 9 11.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Kind of praising.

[A]

I get.

[B]

I. I watched the clip. I understood he was saying. But like, at the time I could see being like, dude. What? He basically said that, like, you know, Americans are cowards in war zones. And at least the people who did 911 were brave or something like really crazy. And he was immediately taken off the air. And that's how Jimmy Kimmel got his show. So, yes, it was an interesting couple of days learning about the history of broadcast.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And he didn't get his show back. And I guess that's how. What do they like to say? How you get them, how you lose them. But that's. That's not what happened here. I just, I'm thinking of Chris Harrison. I'm sorry.

[B]

That's an interesting comparison. Chris Harrison.

[A]

Yeah. Because he said something that was like, that people were really offended by. He felt.

[B]

What did he say again?

[A]

It was about Rachel. Kirk Connell, and it wasn't even on the show.

[B]

And he was talking to Rachel Lindsay about it. Right.

[A]

In an interview off the show. And he. They were talking about the Rachel, Entertainment Tonight photos, the Antebellum party. And he was making the argument that, like, oh, by the way, I'm not saying what this thing could be me.

[B]

It's a trap.

[A]

Google it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said something, you know, like, about a cancellation of one of the contestants. Just sort of like playing devil's advocate in her favor. Everyone was coming down on her really hard.

[A]

She went to, like, forgiving grace and just looking at it through, you know, the lens of a different time.

[B]

And he got fired.

[A]

He got fired, never to be seen again. And his. I don't know what he's doing. It's not much like it was a destabilizing firing for him.

[B]

Yeah, Jimmy Kimmel's kind of in a pargy spot now, though, because I feel like we could have the conversation about, like, Late Night in general, not as it pertains to politics, but like, it is this sort of old school format that isn't going to be around forever. It is being replaced. Like Leonardo DiCaprio is doing press for his new movie and he's doing a podcast. Like, it really is kind of phasing out. And I feel like if his show does get canceled, which I feel like everyone's at some point is going to get canceled. Jimmy is really like a hero now, you know?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Also I think like this, he had better ratings on this episode than he did in the last 10 years. Like, because of course, everyone.

[B]

All press is good press.

[A]

What he has to say just like.

[B]

Right. What a.

[A]

It's such a blip on the radar, you know?

[B]

Yeah. Like from this week to last week, technically now, like, nothing's changed.

[A]

No he literally had like three days off of work.

[B]

Honestly, he was celebrating.

[A]

It was just in time for the holidays.

[B]

For the holidays.

[A]

So he's back and then, yeah, after like this whole sack, I'm just like, back to being like, okay, well, like, your show's not funny and you're a loser.

[B]

Right, Right. Jackie just like, hates.

[A]

No, I actually, I feel like you've always hated him more than I do. I don't. Because I feel like you have to watch his stuff more than I do. Like, I don't ever see his stuff.

[B]

So I only like outside of this. I'm not like, making a political statement outside of this saga. I always compare him to Jimmy Fallon. Right. The Jimmy's. And I think Jimmy Fallon is so funny and like, such a good host of his show because he'll really do anything for views. And that's like, I think I. I imagine NBC really likes him. I don't know. Jimmy Kimmel's just always. I never watch his show. It's just like I'm such an NBC girl versus ABC in that sense.

[A]

Oh, interesting. Even though everything else is coming up ABC these days.

[B]

I know. So true.

[A]

Dancing with the Stars, the Bachelorette.

[B]

So true.

[A]

ABC is kind of having a moment.

[B]

They are. And you know, every network has their moment. I feel like NBC has Love island, which is huge. Every network gets their. Their moment in the sun, if you will.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. So he's back. I told you so. I can say that with my whole chest.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you ready for our next story?

[B]

Gen Z with the stars?

[A]

No, that's gonna be fifth and final into a little TV recap. That way we don't have to, like, end it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

No. This is such great news. Rihanna has given birth, welcoming baby number three, a baby girl with ASAP Rocky. So Rihanna posted a picture of her and her new daughter Rocky. Irish mayors born September 13, 2025.

[B]

Now they named the baby Rocky, her husband's name. And what is this?

[A]

Giving? What is it giving? Come on, Travis and Courtney.

[B]

No naming your baby like the same as your husband. When Theo came home and his original name was Moofi, it's giving movie if you're new here. When our previous dog Theo came home for the first time, his name was not Theo, it was actually Moofi because Ben and I, we used to. Not so much anymore. Actually, Ben still calls me Big Move, but we used to call each other move Mufon Movie. So we thought it was like a cute pet name for our. Our first pet. It got so confusing. We had to change his name after the first week because I'd be like, move. And Ben was like, are you talking to me? You talking to the dog? It was so crazy. So I imagine there might be some confusing time ahead for asap. Rocky, Rocky, and Rihanna.

[A]

But what's asap? Rocky's birth name. Like, it's not right.

[B]

What do you think she calls him? Daniel.

[A]

A.S.A.P Rocky. Yeah, it's Rakim Athelston Mayers. She definitely is not calling him ASAP around the house. Or she calls him asap, not Rocky.

[B]

But she definitely calls him Rocky. She just call him Rakim.

[A]

Well, I guess Ra short for Rakim.

[B]

I guess it depends, because there's some, like, annoying ass who insist on calling their boyfriends and husbands, like, their full name. Exactly.

[A]

Benjamin.

[B]

You're literally calling out our sister Olivia. She's always. Exactly.

[A]

She does do that. But that's not the first person who came to mind.

[B]

That'd be like, if I was like, benjamin Morgan. Like, I hate when people do that. Like, they insist on calling. Like, everybody in the world calls him Ted.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

Theodore. I hate people like that. Sorry, Olivia. Sorry.

[A]

That's really funny.

[B]

Who are you thinking of?

[A]

I don't want to put her on blast. She's a private citizen.

[B]

Text. It's me.

[A]

Hold on. You guys don't know her. She's a private citizen. So, like, they wouldn't be interesting to you, but then she would hear it and be like, oh, that's what you think of me?

[B]

That's interesting. That's a really random example.

[A]

Yeah, no, it's just, like, random.

[B]

It is a thing people do, and I just find it so annoying.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So now if the person has. Let me ask you a question. If your boyfriend has, like, a nickname, right? Like, Tank for. I don't know why that just came to mind. Like, everybody calls him Tank. Like, even his mother. Then you're allowed to call him his name. Daniel.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

But if everybody calls your man Ben and you insist on calling him Benjamin, I have never once in my life called Ben Benjamin.

[A]

I have never called my husband Zachary.

[B]

Now, I think with Olivia, I think.

[A]

She, like, has him in her phone as Zachary. Like, I think it's, like, it's. It's more real for her.

[B]

Well, I just want to let her know. And I know she listens to the toast because she's a wonderful, supportive sister. Like, when you say that, I hate it. Like, I love you and I hate it.

[A]

Well, mazel tove to the Rocky family. Rocky. Rocky. What's her last name?

[B]

I guess they're all mayor with ours.

[A]

Yeah, because she has RZA and Riot.

[B]

That's cute.

[A]

And Rocky. Really cute. And Rocky's a cute girl's name.

[B]

Well, so actually, again, not to make quite literally everything about myself when I think of, like, future children, I do have one name that I really like that also starts with an R. And I do wonder, like, is it confusing? I feel like, did you grow up in a house where, like, all of you guys had the same first letter of your first name? And if so, did it cause any confusion sound off in the comments?

[A]

Well, I also feel like Rihanna and Rocky are both ours, so when you have that, you do it. You go all the way.

[B]

But, like, none of us have the.

[A]

Same first letter and you and Ben are being seen.

[B]

No, I mean, growing up all the time, when somebody would, like, shout across the house, olivia, Claudia. I never knew if they were talking to me or Olivia because the IIA at the end, you only hear, like, the tail end of someone being like, Olivia. And I was like, are you saying Claudia or Olivia? And, you know, you. You really can't anticipate confusion like that.

[A]

I'm sorry you had to go through that.

[B]

I mean, I also had to go through a summer birthday with Olivia, and we felt extremely robbed.

[A]

You have a lot of things to say to Olivia today.

[B]

Yeah, maybe because I was talking to her this morning.

[A]

But you didn't get these things off your chest. No, I understand.

[B]

Maybe I'll give her a call.

[A]

Maybe give her a call after this.

[B]

And tell her all the things I that she does that I find annoying.

[A]

Well, anyways, the news years that they had a girl, people didn't know what they were gonna have. And I was actually surprised by that. You know, thought she might go three. Boy.

[B]

This is not. When did she do the Super Bowl? This is not the baby. That was Super Bowl.

[A]

That was riot.

[B]

The more I think about that, the more she was so insane for that.

[A]

I know. So crazy.

[B]

And the fact that quite literally anyone at the time, like, wanted to critique her performance, whether it was, like, her dancing or her vocals, like, seriously, drop dead.

[A]

Yeah. I remember when, like, she came out with her belly, and, like, people were like, is she pregnant? I'm like, you're disgusting.

[B]

Like, you're that.

[A]

How dare.

[B]

That was also a special time because, like, she was right. Like, it was so confusing.

[A]

It was so. But anyone who, like, said that, especially around me, I'm like, you guys are so rude. She just had a baby. Like, why Are you looking at her belly?

[B]

Oh, so you. Okay, that's funny. Well, it reminded me of when Beyonce announced her first pregnancy at the VMAs after singing Love on Top Part deliciously, might I add. She then opened her blazer, and it's like, well, she didn't really look pregnant, so she touched her belly, and we were like, oh, when you touch the belly, it's a confirmation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Rihanna did not touch her.

[A]

So when people were like, speculating, is she pregnant? I'm like, the woman just gave a performance of a lifetime. Like, of course she's not pregnant. Like, how could you say that?

[B]

It would have been really helpful for us if she just touched the belly.

[A]

Yeah, no, it was, but then she confirmed it, like, after the performance.

[B]

But after she was like, yeah, obviously, I'm pregnant. We're like, oh, yeah, okay.

[A]

I just felt really defensive of her.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? The one that we are involved in because Stassi Schroeder has officially turned on Meghan Markle. She said, this is the last straw. So I've been seeing this all over the Internet.

[B]

Let me tell you my experience, and I want to say we need to clear up, like, because if I was reading these articles, I would assume that, like, you and I have beef with Stassi. Like, they're really making it.

[A]

So they are including us in every article because she mentioned us.

[B]

So. And that was the reason why she's turned on Meghan Markle is because of us. So literally, someone who works with us sent us this article, and it was like, at first from, like, this realityt.com, like, and I was like, oh, my God. Sassy's, like, kind of being nasty about us on the podcast. I'm like, wait, but we're friends with Stassi, right? I was so, like, sad. So, like. And it was co hosted with Taylor Strecker, and I'm like, well, Taylor Strucker wouldn't say anything weird about us. Yeah. So, like, you know what? Let me actually not read the clickbait and go listen to Stassi's podcast episode to get the real story. Now, what's being said in the tabloids is a much dramatized version of what Stassi said. Now, to be clear, Stassi did not say anything mean about us. If anything, she's jealous of us. And it more has, like, she has beef now with Meghan Markle, and it literally has nothing to do.

[A]

And also, it illustrates that she's a close listener of the toast, right?

[B]

So it's like she's like, I sat down to do my makeup, and I listened to my favorite podcast, the Toast.

[A]

And I podcast, hosted by amazing girls.

[B]

Listen. It was so not.

[A]

No.

[B]

But even remotely.

[A]

Let's get to the meat. So this is what she said. She said she's officially done with Meghan Markle. A little backstory is, like, Stacy has been Meghan Markle's number one fan, like, since Meghan joined the royal family. Like, she's been with her through the whole thing. She's been with her through the whole thing. Like, always, just saying glowing things about her.

[B]

And so she went on tour and, like, the whole theme of her set was Meghan Markle. They had a big framed picture of her.

[A]

Like, every time Meghan does something, we're like, what would Stacy have to say about this? And she's always, like, been so positive, given so much grace and that.

[B]

She's kind of like the leading public figure fan.

[A]

So Megan has done some PR gifts since she's launched her show, since she's launched her brand. The first round really went to, like, close friends and, like, you know, Montessori girls.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But then the second round reached the lay people like us, a bunch of influencers got Princess Claudia and I did, which is shocking because we've not been like Stassi. We have questioned her. Right.

[B]

We haven't been. I don't. I think we've actually been really fair.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Of Megan. We're not. Neither one of us is huge fans or haters of her at all.

[A]

Yeah. We just, like, we don't just. We just take the temperature of how we're feeling and we say how we feel. It's not always, like, the nicest or whatever.

[B]

Now, to be clear, I cannot say the same about her husband. Like, I am an actual hater.

[A]

Yeah. It just depends on the era that we're talking about. Like, as we're talking about this era, like, I have the really nothing bad to say when I think of, like, when I zoom out and try and think of, like, history at a glance and, like, the British monarchy and, like, what Queen Elizabeth went through in her dying days. Like, I'm mad.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And that's all come through on the show. So what Sassy said was she was like, she didn't get PR from this season of as ever, as ever, with love, Megan. And then she saw that Claudia and I did, and Claudia and I, as she said, talk. We've talked about Megan. We haven't just been, like, die hard fans. Whereas Sassy has been a die hard fan. She said, I literally have defended her when no one else did. I filmed videos about it. I've commented on all the things. I literally had my fucking PR reach out. And this.

[B]

She asked for pr. She asked to be included on the next round, and they said no.

[A]

So she's officially done. She said Meghan cares, like, more about what her haters think of her than her fans. If she's trying to, like, court people who, like, don't love her, and she's not tending to those who do.

[B]

And you know what? Then it also reminded me of her sending that handwritten note to not skinny, but not fat, when not skinny was being, like, snarky. It wasn't being, like, actually, you know, protective of Megan. And, you know, what's Stasi's right? Like, she does care a lot about, like, what critics say. Not just, like, I feel like everyone, when they get famous, cares about, like, proving their credits wrong and yada yada. And then eventually, like, all you end up caring about is your fans. And, like, you just want to feed your fans and nourish that relationship. And Megan is still very much like, in her proving everyone wrong era.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And if I get. I also think that Megan doesn't want to, you know, actually, well, we have been canceled, so I feel like Megan maybe would have been, like, staying away from Sassy because, like, she was canceled. But no, we have. Who hasn't been, literally, if we're only, like, sending PR to people who haven't been canceled, then you're sending it to people with three followers. Like, for real?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Show me a celebrity who hasn't had a cancellation, and I'll show you something that's been buried. Okay.

[A]

Stassi series that, like, Megan is stuck in 2017 and just, like, associates Sassy with, like, being a lowly reality star. And that's not who she's sending her kids to, I guess. I don't know. I genuinely don't know, because when I hear something like this, I'm like, well, maybe Stassi's just not on her team's radar. But, like, how is that possible? Then you're. You have a bad team.

[B]

Maybe Megan, like, watched Vanderpump Rules at the time. Like, maybe she was Team Faith, you know? Like, maybe she was not a Stassi fan. Maybe she was a Gina Shea.

[A]

Team Sheena.

[B]

Maybe she was a Sheena Shane Ater.

[A]

Megan. Megan with love, Megan.

[B]

And can I tell you, Ben ate the entire jar of the as ever apricot jam. He said it was incredible not to.

[A]

Rub it in Sassy's face when he posted that.

[B]

So Ben took a picture of this. I put the as ever jam in my fridge as if it was just.

[A]

A jam from the store, Right?

[B]

And I wasn't planning on eating it because I don't like apricot. No shade to Megan. I'm more of, like a raspberry girl, but I figured, like, someone in my house would eat it. Lo and behold, I see Ben posting on Instagram a picture of the jar being like, I just found this in my fridge. It's delicious. I'm like, you just found this in your fridge? You know how lucky you are to be eating. There are a million girls that would kill for that jar of jam.

[A]

A million girls would kill to be gifted that.

[B]

I said, ben, that's like a million dollar jar of jam. He said, it's incredible. He ate the entire thing. It's gone.

[A]

That's hysterical. I haven't tried my jam yet, but those shortbread cookies are looking me in the face every day. I want to make them, but it's just never a good time.

[B]

So not to rub it into Sassy, but, like, the jam also was really good.

[A]

Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. I can't believe Sassy's really moving on from her. But I guess that's what you have to do after you, like, been snubbed so many times.

[B]

Like, like, I feel like you're kind of getting to that place with.

[A]

You know what's funny is I, I, that's my association too. And I think of this story, I think of someone who, like, I've lit, but I'm, I'm not getting. But the thing is I, I just love her. I, I love everything she does. It's not like I ever defend her when I think she doesn't deserve it. And so, like.

[B]

But the thing is, like, she doesn't do anything wrong.

[A]

She doesn't defend if I sever from her. I'm only hurting myself.

[B]

It's true.

[A]

I'll say who it is to just get started. Kelly Clarkson, because she, like, does a lot of podcasts and she does a lot of press.

[B]

She's not a lot, but she does.

[A]

Press out and about a lot. And she's like, never come on the toes, like, never reached out, never sent us anything. If she was ever.

[B]

We have also, we have formally pitched.

[A]

Yeah, we have, like, we have actually tried and we don't even do that a lot, but I'm just a fan of hers. Not anything reciprocal. I don't need anything, like, from her on a personal level. I just want to be. What if I can stop listening to her music? That only hurts me. She doesn't give us.

[B]

So true. Why should you suffer?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Kelly, we would love to have you.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

But obviously not now.

[A]

Like, we might have just ruined it. Especially because, like, even when we were saying only good things, she didn't come on. Even though I still haven't said anything bad, I love her.

[B]

No, no, no. You didn't say anything bad. You're saying, like, you want it.

[A]

Yeah, but. But the fact that I don't get it, like, doesn't change how I feel.

[B]

About hers, so it's an even bigger endorsement, honestly.

[A]

But, like, there's literally, like, she's the least problematic woman on earth.

[B]

I know. So it's like, well, I defended Kelly Clarkson from one.

[A]

And, like, it's not unpopular to defend her, but, like, if Stassi, like, always.

[B]

Okay, actually, what did I just say? Ask me somebody who hasn't been canceled, and I'll show you someone with three followers that's actually Kelly Clarkson's the exception to that rule. I can't think of one scandal she's ever had.

[A]

She's not had scandals, but she's, like, been through a lot on the industry side.

[B]

Ups and downs. Like, yes.

[A]

Bad labels in bad deals, putting out music that she didn't feel strongly about.

[B]

Like.

[A]

Like, she's had different issues.

[B]

Yes. But not, like, yeah, Public facing scandal. She never tweets.

[A]

Right, right. But, like, Stasi defended Megan when it was, like, unpopular, too, and, like, took a lot of hits for it like that. It's so.

[B]

It's not the same in the face of adversity. Like, Stassi was there.

[A]

I defended Kelly Clarkson when no one else did.

[B]

Okay. Like, defended her against what? Nothing.

[A]

But what I will say is I've always. I was a fan of hers before everyone.

[B]

Any of these. It's so true. Before Kellyoki, before Kelly Clarkson show, like, in the lulz, I was there. A place in her career, bro. She will not experience another lull ever again. She's kind of reached a level of, like, icon status, but in order to get there, she did experience, like, peaks and valleys. And no matter what, Jackie was always.

[A]

There in the lulls. I was there, but I didn't do it for anything in return. Like, that's where I wanted to be. That's all I'll say. We'll leave it at that. I'm sorry, Sassy that don't meet your Heroes don't ask for pr.

[B]

I'm sorry that it hurt you, but I'm not sorry I received the pr.

[A]

But it is curious and I, I really don't know why. It's definitely an oversight by her team because Stassi's been so good to her. Stassi is so popular in a real way. Like, real engagement.

[B]

Fans, listeners has, like, evolved past significantly. Like her big, you know, crash out of 2020 that, like, I really don't think it has to do with that. Or maybe it does. Like, maybe Megan's just like, scared, but like, everyone.

[A]

Yeah, three best selling books. Like, she's like, World Tour, Fendi Fashion show.

[B]

Please.

[A]

Mistake. Big, big mistake. Huge. Huge.

[B]

I love your mistake, Megan.

[A]

Our fourth story is actually some interesting.

[B]

Oh, wait.

[A]

Sorry, sorry. We're not ready for some interesting news that provides clarity on what's been going on.

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[A]

U R T and welcome. Our fourth story A little news that's going be to of maybe provide some clarity as to why Taylor Swift has been relatively MIA in the lead up to her new album and the football season. Taylor Swift has a stalker. Of course all celebrities, she's many.

[B]

But this is like one of her like kind of like famous ones.

[A]

One of her famous ones. She has just gotten some good news. She's been granted a restraining order against the man that she says routinely shows up at her LA home and claims that she had his baby. According to court documents submitted Monday and obtained by TMZ, a 45 year old man named Brian Jason Wagner had been ordered order to stay at least 100 yards away from tailored for the next five years. He must stay clear of her LA home, work vehicle, place of work and he's barred from contacting Swift during this time. So I think she's been dealing with and I also saw something else like about her stalker. I think she's having like major stalker issues at the moment.

[B]

So what I had heard was that like this OG like number one stalker has now gone missing.

[A]

That's what I can't remember.

[B]

Read that that don't know where he is and obviously that's making her like really anxious and that's why she was behind that seemingly bulletproof screen. That's why she's had not been doing a lot of promo. Maybe that's why she's doing the UK talk show because she does need to promote this album and maybe she feels more comfortable doing it publicly in a different country. I don't know if he has the means to travel to the UK or.

[A]

If he goes on a plane like he will surface. You know his name, right?

[B]

Oh maybe it's like a entrapment.

[A]

Oh sorry. Didn't want to spoil it for them. Hopefully he doesn't listen.

[B]

Not us cracking the code. And this is Something she deals with a lot. And I know she has, like, a ton of security, but it's so scary. And it must feel better, like, lying next to this big hunky man at night than, like, Matty Healy, you know? Like, who is Matty Healy protecting her from?

[A]

1,000%. He also somehow was able to change his address on his driver's, like, license to her house.

[B]

What is wrong? This is so dmv. Like, oh, my God.

[A]

He claimed that he tried diverting mail from her house and sent her lengthy digital communications using threatening language. He didn't show up to.

[B]

How is he sending her digital communications? Because I've been trying to get a note to her for a while.

[A]

Right. Well, I guess you have to be an actual stalker.

[B]

Like a freak sociopath.

[A]

He didn't show up to Tuesday's hearing. And yeah, I was like, great.

[B]

It's great that she had a restraining order, but, like, crazy people don't care about a piece of paper.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And if you really like, it does not protect you. Unless that restraining order, like, comes with a gun. Like, who is that stopping?

[A]

Yeah, well, he's not he with the restraining order. He's not allowed to own firearms, ammunition, and body armor during this time and must surrender any that he does have to the police. But if they can't find him, I.

[B]

Like, I just don't feel like that's a crazy person. Yeah, right, Right. Oh, the law said that I can't buy a gun. Like, I just don't. I don't see this stopping him. Especially because this is like a 10 year pursuit and he's obviously mentally ill. Yeah.

[A]

So I think this would explain a lot as to the mystery surrounding Lured in the last few weeks. Yes.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Given that the football season has kicked off and she hasn't had a new album.

[B]

Right. Which would be high time for her to be, like, doing her swirly appearances at the football games, because that always garners media attention. Rising tides for the album. She's probably freaking. That's like, such a terrible feeling.

[A]

Yeah. And did you see the thing about the Justin Baldoni? Someone came to, like, serve them at Travis's house. And, like, the server was really committed to getting the paper. Simon, like, jumped the fence. He got arrested. Like, they didn't know that. Stupid is like, stupid idiot. He could, like, I guess if it was.

[B]

How do you serve someone, like, so protected? Right.

[A]

Yeah. That's why we see it happen in public a lot when they're, like, doing a public appearance. But she hasn't been in public so then he went to the house.

[B]

Maybe that's why she hasn't been in public, so she doesn't get served.

[A]

Yeah. There's. I think there's a lot going on right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And especially if she's on high alert because of the stalker and then someone jumps the fence.

[B]

Crazy person. I also, like, for a while, really did not believe that her and Blake Lively had ended their friendship because it's so inconceivable. Right. This was, like, a bulletproof friendship. And I do need to update everyone. Like, okay. I feel like maybe they're not friends anymore.

[A]

Yeah. And that she's, like.

[B]

Even though a lot of the headlines about her involvement are heavily exaggerated and, like, when you read, it's like, yes, she offered up a subpoena. No, she didn't. She's like, they subpoenaed her. They had said that, like, she offered all of their text messages. Like, no, she didn't.

[A]

I think Scott did.

[B]

Scott definitely got involved.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, okay, everyone, I do think they're not friends anymore.

[A]

Name out your mouth, I'll give you what you want.

[B]

That's seriously so crazy.

[A]

Yeah. No. It's such a messy situation. They're definitely not friends. She's not. Not team Baldoni.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But. And she's not team Blake. She's not team Blake. Not. Not team Baldoni.

[B]

What did Blake do? Because a lot of. I think a lot of people think that, like, Blake's behavior in this saga is what caused Taylor and their friendship to not. Which I do not think. I don't think Taylor would, like, lose a friendship of so many years over, like, like, what everyone is saying went down on a movie set that had nothing to do with Taylor. I think that something happened involving Taylor to get her to get to that place.

[A]

The limited information that we have. And I think it would have something to do with the fact that, like, Blake almost, like, blackmailed Taylor into publicly taking her side and, like, tried to involve her and went about it badly.

[B]

Do you think that, like, her, you know, Khaleesi dragon eggs, like, basically, Blake Lively threatening Justin Baldoni with Taylor Swift also bothered Taylor.

[A]

Definitely bad taste. Not friendship ending. Godmother ending.

[B]

Right. Right.

[A]

But I think, like, Blake and Ryan, like, might have went to Taylor and been like, hey, can you come, like, support us? And Taylor was probably like, no. And then they got nasty about it. That's what I. Yeah. If I'm just, like, thinking of how humans might behave.

[B]

Yeah. Damn.

[A]

Damn. Are you ready for our fifth and final story that you've been ready for all show. Dancing with the Stars recap. Two stars went home, one had a hand. One star has a hamstring tear.

[B]

Oh, my God. That picture of Danielle Frankel's leg, I was shook. Not a cat from the massage.

[A]

Not the bridal dress, not the masseuse.

[B]

Watching it being like, oh, my bad.

[A]

That picture hurt me physically. Yeah. And then watching her dance, she crushed it. Knowing that that was what was happening hurt more. And then she did a cartwheel for absolutely no reason, only to hurt her leg. She didn't get another point. It's not even like they do, like, 6.9, like, gymnastics.

[B]

Like, you get a lift and you get it.

[A]

She wasn't gonna go from a seven to a six if she didn't do the cartwheel. So to strain her hamstring, which is a cartwheel, is very hamstring heavy. Heavy to do that for what? It hurt me. I felt pain.

[B]

So let's talk about the eliminations really quickly. It was like, a little bit of a letdown.

[A]

I want to say. The show is a clusterfuck. Coming in as an outsider watching your guys's show, the voting process is absurd. Me.

[B]

So stupid.

[A]

Alex, Alex, Alex. Ten times is a complete waste of my time and energy.

[B]

And am I correct? And I know we've talked a lot about the voting system, so I'm sorry if I'm being repetitive. So on your phone, you vote Alex 10 times, then you can also go Barron 10 times.

[A]

You could vote for every single cast member 10 times.

[B]

So when Carlton is like, we've just surpassed last week's amount of votes. That's not really a flex.

[A]

No, nothing about it is a flex.

[B]

Even if it's 12 contestants and I can vote 10 times, technically, in one episode, I can personally vote 120 times from each device. So if I have a tablet, a computer, and a phone, that's 360 votes.

[A]

Yeah. Even if they told me they got it. If they told me they got 1 billion votes, I would not give a.

[B]

It's not a slay.

[A]

It's not a slay. They're definitely, like, getting kickbacks From Verizon and @t for every tech citizen. And, like, we're paying for it. I gotta look at my phone bill to make sure I'm not getting charged for these green texts I'm sending. I'm roaming. All of a sudden, I'm roaming to vote for Alex. Okay. Like, it's preposterous. I'm not voting anymore. So, like, me neither.

[B]

It's A fraud.

[A]

Yeah. It's so. I feel so stupid when I do it.

[B]

Alex, Alex, Alex, Alex. Yeah. Literally me, me. Last week. Elaine, Elaine, Elaine. I thought Elaine Hendrix was so good. And you know what? I don't vote for a million people. In my own weird way, I'm making a choice.

[A]

Like I.

[B]

And this week, last week, I voted for Alex Earl because she blew me away the most in terms of what I thought she was going to deliver and what she delivered. This week, I voted for Elaine. I thought she was insanely good. She reminded me that she's played a cheerleader not once, but twice on tv. Evian. Evian from Mary Catherine Gallagher. Superstar. And I like to think of. First of all, I had to look up so many people's age. Danielle Fishel is 44. She looks 17. It's insane. She's like eternally young. And her arms, like, she had like, like teenager arms. I was shook. And then Elaine Hendricks, who's in her 50s, absolutely crushing. Oh, Mickey. Or so five in the drive. She deserved my votes. I'm sorry. Not everyone gets my vote.

[A]

No. So the voting. I'm done with you guys. Want to explain to me how it works? You get to give them like your own score. 7 out of 10. Like, you get 10. I don't give a. No, Claudia, it's still.

[B]

Oh, wait, no, no, it's still stupid. Beyond that makes it better. Got it. So people use it as their own voting system.

[A]

So stupid. And then the fact.

[B]

Oh, that, like, what? That's like not made clear.

[A]

The fact that the elimination happens at the end of the episode so quickly. The last person who dances gets the least amount of votes, of course.

[B]

Oh, my God. Steve Irwin getting 30 seconds. Well, here's the thing.

[A]

He's got 30 seconds.

[B]

Pentatonix is next to go home.

[A]

Yeah, he is. But like, at least give him a shot. Like, it's just not fair. So then he has not literally 30 seconds to get his votes in. Then they rapidly eliminate people. And what's also makes no sense about the show is why are all the contestants doing different dances every week? Like, why don't we have jive week and I can assess the jives.

[B]

Oh, tango week.

[A]

Assess the tangos. Why is the theme the music? Like, I. I'm so perplexed by this show. It is the messiest.

[B]

That's a really good call. I like that too. And yeah, because you know what? Voting. And I. Now I understand why everybody's scores are so different. Because some dances are easier than others. Like the jive is fun. It's not that technical, the tango. So boring and I think way more technical.

[A]

Yeah, we should be assessing everyone's tango together. We don't get to see someone's drive and say, oh, that looked amazing. And then someone has a boring ass tango. And when do they decide and why that they're gonna do these dances this week? They don't give us enough information. Like, do they know they have to do every dance? And they try and do some of the harder ones in the beginning, like, oh, do the. The producers say, like, hey, Alex and Elaine, you're doing the jive?

[B]

Like, I think they get told what they have to do that week.

[A]

I'm so confused. And it really is so crazy how your partner is such an advantage and then the show is as much about the partners as it is about the stars. And I think that's really good for the show because that way you don't have to care who the stars are every year. Like, you're here for the partners, but, like, the partners can be such a value add. And I actually. She's doing an amazing job, but I. Jen Affleck. Oh, well, she's so been robbed by having.

[B]

Yeah, agreed. He stinks.

[A]

He got critiqued.

[B]

Yeah, he stinks.

[A]

Claudia. He got like, the judges had a critique for him about something.

[B]

Who were you about to say?

[A]

I was about to say Alex's partner, Val isn't giving her. Like, they're pretty good. The settings, like the circus and the dances and even the.

[B]

And by the way, whatever you're about to say, like, the Dilwitist community is going to come at you for. He's like, beloved.

[A]

I just. She's not getting, like, the best setups. What did they dance to this week? What was the theme?

[B]

The theme was One Hit Wonders. Mambo Number five.

[A]

Yeah. It started with him talking. I'm like, get out of here. Where's my girl? Like, I go in order. She's not getting the pargiest setups. Whereas Whitney Carson does the parties setups. I loved Elaine's. Hey, Mickey. Like, love. Could you imagine if Alex did that?

[B]

And whose partner is doing an amazing job is Whitney's part. Mark Ballas. Apparently he's like the best one. He says, like, the most wins. He's crushing it for her. Like, he totally gets her.

[A]

Yeah. And he has a great mentee model.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, let's go through each one in order.

[A]

Okay. I don't have the exact order, but I have all the names, so.

[B]

Okay. Hilaria, she's really Good. I also did not know she had a background in ballroom dance. Like, it's, it's giving. Not fair. I don't know why they put her in the bottom three, even though it wasn't in any particular order. But it was so obvious because she's with these two geriatrics. Like, obviously hilarious. Not going home.

[A]

No. But I think for one second they got nervous because Gleb is like so hated right now and she's obviously controversial. And I think for one second they thought maybe like the voting, the public opinion. I hope that he made a little duty in his pants and.

[B]

Totally did. You see, I just started following this. I love this account. It's called pop culture data and they do a lot of different data. But they said, week one of Dancing with the Stars, here's how many followers everyone got. And it was really interesting to see who got the most. It wasn't like Alex Earl, because she didn't. She has the most. Right. But who got the least. He was actually in the negatives. Glenn lost 3, 000 followers.

[A]

Yeah, you're welcome.

[B]

Who was, who was it that got number one?

[A]

Hope you've been loving thy nator.

[B]

I have been loving that Nader.

[A]

Next dancer, Danielle Fischl, who we discussed powered through with her injury.

[B]

Robert Irwin got the most amount of followers.

[A]

I see that.

[B]

And then Danielle Fishel, then Whitney, then Whitney Carson and Dylan Efron. I thought this was really interesting.

[A]

Feels right.

[B]

Feels right.

[A]

Danielle Fishel dance adorable. She's like perfect. Dancing with the Stars. Like, she's such a star. She's learning decently. She's good. She can dance. She's getting better. She's taking it seriously. Even in her response. Like Julianne's question about, like, when you hear these criticisms, she's like, I'm here to be a sponge. Like, I'm here to learn. Like, I fucking love her. She's not too proud. She just is like literally textbook perfect Dancing with the Stars person.

[B]

She's an amazing attitude. She kind of like has the attitude that we need to adapt for the next 10 days. Like Joy, light and positivity.

[A]

We'll try.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Alex Earl, her Dan mambo. She's so great.

[B]

She's so right. She is getting better with like each. You could see like her learning the techniques more. She also has really mastered. Because I keep thinking how hard it would be to remember the dance, to do the dance and then not make like a. A mug the entire time. I'm like, 1, 2, 3, 4. She's like, I Like Smiley Joe. And you know what? It's a real skill.

[A]

Yeah. Andy Richter, he.

[B]

He's my.

[A]

Saved by the bell. He was probably the third in the. He was probably in the bottom three if they were going.

[B]

No, I actually don't think he was because let me tell you, I have seen so many. There are, like, fan edits of him on Tick Tock. They're obsessed with him. He made me laugh so hard when he kissed her arm. I cracked up when they took off his yellow jacket and he was like, oh, he's very funny, I'm telling you. And he is getting better. People really like him. And I don't think that Dancing with the Stars community knew who he was, especially because it's so Tick tocky Dancing with the Stars. And it's very Gen Z. They love him. I actually vote for him.

[A]

I agree. His dances make me laugh. He makes me laugh. I enjoy his presence. I hope that he's getting a lot of votes because he's going to need the votes because the scores are, of course, not there. I actually thought his dance this week was, like, technically worse than last week. He did not do. And he just, like, walked and posed. But we need that. Like, not everyone needs to, like, put their whole.

[B]

And he has a great partner for him. She totally, like, gets his. What his value is is, like, he's funny and she gives him, like, a couple of moments in each dance to make us laugh. It's adorable. Their Tick Tocks are so funny. I actually just followed her on Tick Tock. Obsessed.

[A]

Yeah, No, I agree. And I hope he doesn't go home next because, yeah, spoiler alert. Corey Feldman went home and he was bringing me a lot of joy as well.

[B]

Okay. But he was bringing, like, nothing to the dances. Like, like. Yeah, While Andy Richter is not technically doing great dances, he's bringing, like, comedy. He's bringing something. I'm sorry, you like Corey Feldman because, like, he makes you sad. Like, he's not doing anything.

[A]

No, I. I just.

[B]

Just, I. It just.

[A]

It is what it is. This is what happens on Dancing with the Stars.

[B]

Like, there was, like, a piece in Page Six about how Jenna Johnson is, like, mad at her partner and. And Corey Feldman hates her and she hates Corey Feldman. And then he posted on his Instagram, like, a farewell post after he got eliminated being like, I hate that the media has turned me and Jenna against. I love you, Jenna. It's not true. Yeah.

[A]

Next. Elaine Hendricks, as we stated. Amazing. I love the energy she brings. She's a really good dancer and she's had really good. I don't know what to call them, but, like, I want to say, like, setup up so far, like, song, set, energy, choreography.

[B]

Her and her.

[A]

Her partner is really serving her well. Alan.

[B]

Yeah, Alan. He's doing a good job. I completely agree.

[A]

Jordan Chiles stepped her pussy up this week. Oh.

[B]

She did what she was supposed to do week one. I don't know what happened week one. Maybe she got nervous. Maybe the dance was bad. What she did. Amazing.

[A]

Amazing. She is in this race now. Whereas, like, yes. Last week, I'm like, okay, you're. I'm not keep. You're not one to watch. Agreed. But no, it was a completely different energy this week. And she's one to watch now.

[B]

Agreed. She's finalist material.

[A]

Dylan Efron. I'm already bored.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like he's not doing anything wrong or anything bad. And the dances are fine. Everything's, like, fine.

[A]

He can move his hips really well.

[B]

Yeah. Did you see that tick tock that went viral of him, like, doing that?

[A]

I saw a video of him and his partner, like, shaking their hips to a tick tock dance.

[B]

And then that move was in their dance.

[A]

And I thought, wow, he could really move his hips.

[B]

I don't know. That kind of gave me the ick. I. I'm. I. Maybe because I didn't watch traitor. So I didn't, like, have the opportunity to fall in love with him. But, like, he really does not do it for me.

[A]

And the first week I really liked milkshake. Like, I feel like I really got to see his personality. This dance was forgettable.

[B]

Forgettable.

[A]

It was Robert Irwin adorable crush.

[B]

He's fun to watch. He's there with Whitney, like, leaderboard. Just. Just do your thing.

[A]

But also, like, his success is. Has a lot to do with what Whitney's doing for him. Like, if he were with someone else, I don't know where he'd be.

[B]

I think Whitney, leave it. Like, would have crushed with any partner, whereas Erwin might not have.

[A]

Yeah. Lauren Draghi. Skip.

[B]

Skip. Because I have nothing nice to say about her. And it's that time of year where I'm trying to be nice. But I will say week one, like, she did really good. I was like, damn, I want her to go home. Week two was not the same. And I don't think people are responding because when I was looking at the pop culture data, she was like, one of the last people she did not like. She's not getting a lot of followers from it. I don't think that she's getting a lot of votes. I think she'll be going home soon with Scott Hoying, which, yes. If we could talk about him. Scott Hoying has been really shocking to me because he is a performer. He's on stage a lot. He doesn't dance, but I don't know why. I just would have thought that he would be able to move a lot better than he is. He's so stiff and it's like, like, I don't know, I just was expecting more from like this musical gay guy.

[A]

Yeah. No, he's so like middle of the pack for me.

[B]

He know he's so end of the pack. I think he's probably going home next because when you think of like the low hanging fruit, it's like, well, Andy Richter.

[A]

Well, everyone's loving Andy bringing something.

[B]

Scott really needs to step his up. He's really in danger, I think.

[A]

Yeah. Then we have Jen Affleck.

[B]

What she's doing is so amazing.

[A]

I'm worried about her.

[B]

Yeah. Jackie has like a conspiracy theory that she's not doing well.

[A]

I'm just, it's like I just putting myself in her shoes. Like, she's eight weeks postpartum with her third child, so she has two toddlers. She just moved her family out to LA to do Dancing with the Stars. Eight weeks postpartum, that is literally nothing. So you have a baby on your breast, but also two toddlers. That's completely exhausting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she's had an incredibly difficult year. Like she was literally got struggling with her mental health. Her marriage almost fell apart. Now they're living in la. Like, it's just doing Dancing with the Stars on its own is like, it's hard. It's a completely all encompassing thing. Doing it with two kids would be all. Doing it with three kids to have a newborn baby and two kids and you already like weren't in the like strongest state in your marriage and in your mental health. Like every time I, I watch her, I'm just like, oh my gosh, like, please sit down. Like, take a break. And she's amazing and I, I don't want to like stop women. Like, and I'm, I was the first person to be like, this is amazing for women, like postpartum. But it's just sometimes you need to like, just take a break and like take that space. And I feel like she got this opportunity and she would have never turned it down because it's an amazing opportunity and you can't say that next season it would be there. Like, what if things could change, Secret lives might not. And they might go for someone else in the cast who had a big season. Like, this was her time. How do you say no to it? But thinking of myself with two kids and eight weeks postpartum, going on to Dancing with the Stars, which is like a full time job living in a training all day. I am stressed out for her.

[B]

Me too. And I'm sad for her because her partner sucks.

[A]

Yeah. And she's not getting like the best. And she's also a really good dancer, so she's really easy to work with.

[B]

He's not like, molding her. Like, I. I think if she had a different partner, she would be just dancing so differently.

[A]

It's not fair that they put her with a first time new because of everything. Like, she hasn't all. She has, like so much going on. She doesn't also need to, like, watch this person get trained up. Like, she should have a season.

[B]

He should have been with like a Whitney or a Jordan Childs. Like somebody who has a hilaria. Honestly, like someone who doesn't need so much technical training.

[A]

I agree. I agree.

[B]

It's not right.

[A]

Whitney Leavitt crushed.

[B]

Oh, my God. I've watched the dance like five times over her just like whipping her hair. And this is where the scores make no sense.

[A]

The scores are so stupid. I actually can't even pay attention. And why did Derek Huff only get one word?

[B]

Because, like, for timing. Because it's a live thing.

[A]

Does that happen every week or that one person gets one word?

[B]

Yeah. Like, I think when they're trying to, like, cut time, it's like a thing that they do. And I just want to say I had this thought anytime I've ever watched Dancing with the Stars, which isn't a lot. I hate the judges. They're so desperate for attention. Like, they're all just trying to make a moment every time they're giving critique and then like, they move their chairs to get in the background of the camera and like, wave.

[A]

While the messiest show on earth.

[B]

They are three of the biggest losers I've ever met in my entire life. Like, so desperate. I can't. It's like, painful to watch.

[A]

Also, if you don't have enough time for three judges to give their assessment on the dance might not have two judges because last week it, what, didn't feel rushed. We had two judges and it was fine.

[B]

People really don't like Carrie and she's always getting booed.

[A]

Well, I don't like that either. And I don't even know her. But I'm just saying, like, oh, you don't have time for three criticisms. Let's do two.

[B]

Right. Because we're certainly not making this two hour show any longer.

[A]

And then Baron got sent home as well.

[B]

Yeah. That was like, I feel like he didn't need to go home first, but I can't really think of who else he really did not dazzle.

[A]

My husband came in when he was on and he was like, what is he doing here?

[B]

He was pretty good. He just like.

[A]

I'm like, this is classic. You always have to have.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sports legend retired in the.

[B]

And sometimes Iman Shumpert, he won. Like, sometimes they dazzle and sometimes they're just terrible and, you know, get out first. He made me sad because he really wasn't that bad. He definitely wasn't making it past like the third or fourth week. I don't know if he needed to go home first. I can't think of anybody else who would have, though.

[A]

But I love the eliminations. Like, let's go. This is a big cast. Let's weed him out.

[B]

You said stink. Let's get out of here.

[A]

Yeah. And it's. You know what? For them, they probably don't hate it. It's a lot of work and like, it's. Yeah, it's a lot of pressure, relief. Yeah.

[B]

I think the, the pros really hate getting sent home because you get paid per episode and this is their job. So it's really devastating for them. But I think, yeah, if you're a star, you're like, great. I got the press. Everybody watch. I got new followers and now I get to go home and ice my legs. Like, works for me.

[A]

Yeah. You know what? It's not all. It's bittersweet to be sent home. So I'm sure he was like, like mostly happy that it's over and he did it.

[B]

I am mere moments from peeing my pants. Like, it's so time for me to go.

[A]

It's time.

[B]

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