Leaks, Snakes, and Doing Something Crazy: Friday, April 24th, 2026

Summary

The Toast Podcast: "Leaks, Snakes, and Doing Something Crazy"

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: April 24, 2026
Episode Theme: A swirl through pop culture’s juiciest stories, reality TV drama breakdowns, sibling antics, and the importance of doing something “crazy.” This Friday episode dishes on the explosive Summer House reunion leaks, friendship and loyalty among the Bravoverse, viral pop culture moments, and the lighthearted, self-aware dynamic that has made The Toast a weekday staple.

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode is a classic Toast Friday—a blend of hot pop culture headlines, reality TV breakdowns, and the hosts’ personal lives, all with their signature comedic sister banter. The centerpiece is the wild aftermath of the Summer House reunion leak, but tangents abound: from celebrity engagement rumors to reality TV ethics, and the joys (or disasters) of buying Cameos for people you don’t like.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The “Crazy” Present: Cameo Gone Wild

• [01:27] Claudia reveals her “crazy” act: buying Jackie a Cameo from viral sensation Jordan, Jesse Draper's ex-husband, despite Jackie’s known dislike for such gifts.
  • Jackie’s reaction: “Oh my God. That just made it so amazing.” ([03:42])
  • They dissect every awkward moment and the unintentional humor of Jordan’s earnest, slightly clueless video.

Notable Quotes

• Claudia: “You hate this person so much and you’re like, giving him money.” ([03:55])
• Jackie: “I didn’t have that butt clenching feeling that I usually do when I receive a cameo…maybe because he called me Jacqueline.” ([04:14])

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2. Reality TV Recaps: Beverly Hills Reunion & Summer House

• Beverly Hills Recap:

  • Jackie summarizes the reunion: "They started with Dorit’s divorce, Rachel’s arc, Amanda Francis... it hit the ground running.” ([06:04])
  • Discussion of classic children’s books and their New York literary trivia (e.g., Bemelman’s, Eloise) segues into childhood nostalgia and TikTok history collabs.

• Summer House: The Leak Heard Around Bravo

  • [19:11] The “most intense reunion ever,” according to Andy Cohen.
  • Overnight, a raw audio leak from the taping surfaces. The hosts break down its contents, including Amanda’s “snake in the grass” drama, loyalty betrayals, and Sierra’s epic takedown.
  • Debate: Is indulging every feeling “love”?
    • Claudia: “To indulge in every little feeling you have is extremely immature.” ([21:42])
    • Jackie: “Amanda could have dated any other guy on the planet…except Wes Wilson.” ([22:41])
  • Speculation about the leak’s source—was it a cast member, a crew member, or Andy Cohen himself? (Consensus: “It was Carl!”)
  • Claudia calls out Amanda and Wes’s post-reunion “stepping out” for PR, while Sierra’s private exit hints at production allegiances.

Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Claudia: “Sometimes, somebody will do something so evil to you…and like, how is it not illegal?” ([30:13])

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3. Viral Pop Culture Stories

Alex Earl + Jake Shane Collab?

• Did Alex Earl spill tea on Jake Shane’s podcast, or was it just a Venmo ad tease? The sisters analyze the clues and dissect influencer cross-pollination.
• Jackie: “You can't go on his pod and not talk about this.” ([33:47])

Harry Styles & Zoë Kravitz Engagement Rumor

• Jackie: “It’s crazy that Harry’s had so many high-profile relationships, but he’s never been engaged.”
• Discussion on if this engagement signals Harry’s “star has fallen”—the hosts conclude it might be true, referencing less mass hysteria than expected for such news. ([38:05])

Hailey Bieber’s Shady Insta Story

• Haley’s note on apologies reflects the “internet switch-up,” with Claudia and Jackie smugly noting they were always pro-Hailey: “We were right.” ([41:06])
• Claudia: “I sleep really well at night knowing I played no part in the actual decade-long bullying stunt that was pulled on Ms. Hailey Bieber.” ([42:53])

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4. The NFL Scandal—Real Scandoval Energy

• [50:25] The Diana Rossini & Mike Vrabel saga deepens as old photos surface, igniting speculation about timelines and a possibly scandalous paternity theory.
• Jackie: “The crazy thing is she was having an affair and then named her child after her boyfriend — that’s what Adam Levine tried to do.” ([54:44])
• Bold admission: “It’s actually inappropriate to speculate about the paternity of her child, but these crumbs are massive…” ([54:01])

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5. Personal Updates, Workout Fears & Sibling Support

• Claudia brags (modestly) about doing a Soto Method workout class, hates exercising publicly, and feels it's her personal version of “crazy.” ([11:13])
• Both reflect on friendship, collaboration, and lifting each other up (in podcast and business).

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6. Queenie & Weenie of the Week (Awards Segment)

[68:15 - 71:55]

• Claudia’s Queenie: Dylan Sprouse for protecting his family.
• Jackie’s Queenie: Hulu, for a big week of content launches.
• Claudia’s Weenie: Andy Cohen for overhyping, his reunion statement, and Watch What Happens Live attitude.
  • Discuss Andy’s legend status and acknowledge his strengths as reunion host.

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7. Other Notable Segments

• Children’s books and unexpected NYC literary facts ([06:41])
• “Verb” surnames tangent—would “Styles” make a good last name for Zoe? ([39:17])
• Beauty standards, celebrity facelifts, and heiress conventions ([55:49])
• Light debates on influencer strategy, travel agent side hustles, and the return of old podcast sponsors.
• TV Recap Segment: Deep-dive on Beverly Hills—Dorit’s marriage, Rachel’s honesty, Amanda’s “miscasting,” and the dynamic between Erica and Kyle ([59:18–66:43])

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Timestamps for Main Segments

• [01:27] Claudia’s “crazy” Cameo story
• [06:04] Beverly Hills Reunion recap
• [19:11] Summer House Reunion audio leak breakdown
• [32:24] Alex Earl & Jake Shane: Podcast or just an ad?
• [36:25] Harry Styles & Zoë Kravitz engagement debate
• [41:06] Hailey Bieber’s cryptic Instagram & internet “switch-ups”
• [50:25] NFL “Scandoval”: Old photos, paternity rumors
• [59:18] Beverly Hills deeper recap
• [68:15] Queenie & Weenie awards

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Notable Quotes

• Claudia: “You hate this person so much and you’re like, giving him money.” ([03:55])
• Jackie: “To indulge in every little feeling you have is extremely immature.” ([21:42])
• Claudia: “I sleep really well at night knowing I played no part in…bullying stunt that was pulled on Ms. Haley Bieber.” ([42:53])
• Jackie: “It's actually inappropriate to speculate about the paternity of her child, but these crumbs are massive.” ([54:01])
• Claudia: “…men getting facelifts is so weird because nobody asks that of them.” ([55:06])

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Tone & Style

Chatty, irreverent, and always “inside”—Jackie & Claudia’s language is full of affectionate callouts, self-aware exaggeration, and cultural savvy. The siblings interrupt and tease each other, but also uplift and share personal reflections, making listeners feel like part of an ongoing group text.

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For New Listeners

If you haven't tuned in, this episode is a quintessential Toast ride: where “doing something crazy” can mean buying a petty Cameo, dissecting Bravo drama like a forensic scientist, and affirming unpopular opinions—all while knowing when to take sides, issue a Queenie or a Weenie, and laugh about the absurdities of pop culture’s messiest leaks.

Skipped: All ads, intros/outros, and non-content sections, as requested.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, girlies.

[B]

It's the Toast.

[A]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[B]

It's your favorite show.

[A]

The best five things you need to know.

[B]

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.

[A]

They sound amazing.

[B]

Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Friday. Yeah, that's right. It's a day of celebration. Or as I like to say, celebration. Celebration. Oh, my God, it's Friday. Hey, Jax, how you doing?

[A]

Darn good. Darn good. Very excited for this fry Dairies.

[B]

Are you recording?

[A]

I'm recording. There were so many things yesterday from the lost files, as we'll call them. I keep thinking of them. Yeah, me too. I'm like, oh, I wonder why no one responded to what I said about that.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And it's because nobody heard it. You didn't say it because nobody heard it.

[B]

I did something crazy last night.

[A]

What did you just.

[B]

Indulge me. Indulge me. Okay. I did something crazy last night.

[A]

I feel like everyone's fine with it as long as, like, we keep it moving. Like, so go again.

[B]

I did something crazy last night.

[A]

Started a garden

[B]

crazier.

[A]

Made a sourdough.

[B]

What I did is so crazy. Like, the only thing is crazy is cracker meth for real.

[A]

So mushrooms?

[B]

No.

[A]

How about you just tell me? How about you just tell me?

[B]

I got you a present. I purchased a present for you.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

What is. Is your least favorite type of present a surprise? No. What's your least favorite type of present? You know what it is?

[A]

A cameo.

[B]

Yep. So I don't know if you've seen, but Jesse Draper's ex husband, Jordan, has been going viral for his cameos. And I said, you know what? He's been giving a lot of, like, inspirational talks and, like, talking about his wife on the cameos. And I thought, I think my sister, she's been feeling a little down. I think my sister could use some words of encouragement from a successful business owner and just, like, amazing person, like Jordan.

[A]

Okay, so I'm playing for you. Send it to me. No, I want to watch it, and I'll play it.

[B]

Good idea. Good idea.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I. So I was really paranoid about him knowing it was from, like, Jesse. He lived with Jesse for many years, and Jesse watches the toes. So if he knows, like, Jackie and Claudia. So I wrote your name as Jacqueline, and I didn't write who it was from. Like, I didn't write a name. So he just assumed. You're gonna crack up. Just watch it. I sent it to you. And Put it in, in your front of your microphone so everyone can hear.

[A]

Hold on. Volume up.

[C]

What's up, Jacqueline? It's Jordan from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives here. I'm wanting to reach out because your brother told me that you are such an amazing hard working mom and an amazing business owner. And I just want to give you some words of encouragement because I think that is so cool that you are a business owner and a mom. I imagine that. I can imagine that's very difficult. And you know, your brother's just very proud of you, which is very sweet

[B]

of him to get you this video,

[C]

but I just want to make sure that you're not going to be filming anymore. Of course. Right, like she's not going to film. Will she? All jokes aside, though, your brother loves you very much and I really hope that you're a fan of mine. I think if you watch the show, you probably are not because I'm not a fan of how, how I'm portrayed on this.

[B]

Yeah, it gets dark. It's so earnest.

[C]

You have the absolute best day ever. And do something really nice for your brother for getting you this video.

[B]

Don't forget to do something nice for your brother.

[A]

Oh, my God. That just made it so amazing.

[B]

Jackie. I was crying. I paid extra to have it done in 24 hours because, like, I was so eager.

[A]

How many turns you around total?

[B]

100.

[A]

Okay. I just want you to know, like, you hate this person so much and you're like, giving him money.

[B]

I know, but the way that I

[A]

was just like, paying for his lawyers.

[B]

Well, we are going to clip this and like, I'll make money too, you know what I mean? Because I think this clip will go viral.

[A]

But then we have to donate it to, like, the Jesse. Jesse Draper Legal Fund. Legal Defense fund.

[B]

Fine.

[A]

Okay. No, that was really a joy. And, and it's funny, I didn't have that, that butt clenching feeling that I usually do when I receive a cameo. I feel like, because I was really, like, disassociated from it maybe because he called me Jacqueline. I know he, like, didn't give a

[B]

fuck about and that's not who you are.

[A]

And I didn't feel like he was, like, talking to me, like he was just sort of going through the motions.

[B]

Well, as your brother, just know that I love you and I'm cheering you on always.

[A]

Thanks, brother. Brava. Maybe he was on to something. Brava.

[B]

Yeah, right. I was just, like, so paranoid about him, like, declining it because he knows that, like, it's for me.

[A]

Oh, I Don't think that he's that.

[B]

But you understand, Jackie. He listened. Like, he lived in a house with Jesse, who says she watches the toast, like, every single day for the last couple of years. Like, he might know his. Like, the girls want to talk about

[A]

the house that he's recording this cameo from. Is that Jesse's house? Like, whose house is that? Cuz it looks like it was designed by a woman. And he's like, you know, just squatting while she's in the hotel. But he's.

[B]

But he's not filming. I told him that was my note. I'm like, my sister could really use some words of encouragement and, like, she loves your monologue, but she's not filming.

[A]

Yeah, he could have given me a little more, but I guess didn't quote himself correctly. My brother didn't make it clear. Brother for sale, 25 cents.

[B]

So that's what I did last night. I also watched the Nick game. They lost two in a row. It was really bad. I fell asleep. Ben was like, you're not, like, into it. And I'm like, I really don't like watching games in the first half. Like, it's irrelevant. Like, the second half is where it matters. So I said, I'll just catch up on my scrolling, and by the second half, I'll be fully locked in. And the second the second half started, I just fell right asleep for the night.

[A]

Did you watch Beverly Hills?

[B]

I didn't. Was it the reunion?

[A]

Oh, yeah. I was locked in.

[B]

I'm so sorry. You can tell me. You can recap with me. I will.

[A]

It was. I was locked and loaded. It was very engaging. You know, I feel like that they started with, like, Dorit's divorce, Rachel's obi on the show, and Amanda Francis and the hate and Erica's arc this season. And so it was like, you know, usually their garbage part was like, Sutton Brown, how do you feel?

[B]

Oh, God, yeah. About being Brown.

[A]

But it wasn't like that. Like, we hit the ground running.

[B]

Oh, good.

[A]

Yeah. So it was really good. And then what else did I engage with?

[B]

Well, the summer House reunion taped yesterday.

[A]

Oh, they did?

[B]

That's a story.

[A]

That's, of course, story. I read. I read corduroy. I read Paddington.

[B]

You know, I have corduroy too.

[A]

We just got it. And it's funny because we. We're pretty much. We read all the series, especially, like, the long standing ones.

[B]

Yeah, the OG Ones.

[A]

Paddington. The ones with heart was sold.

[B]

Madeline.

[A]

No, it's a girly.

[B]

Oh, I bought it.

[A]

I would Buy it. But, like, would they like it?

[B]

Oh, we read it. And I wasn't, like, dazzled by it. It doesn't rhyme. And the pictures were, like, kind of, like, minimal, which I didn't love, but do you know, like, the famous bar in the city at the Carile called Bemelman?

[A]

No.

[B]

It's, like, the coolest, hottest place to get a drink. It's, like, just sick. And I was reading the Madeline book, and it was written by Ludwig Bemelman. I'm like, what are the odds, right? Turns out they hired him to, like, paint the walls at the bar, and he lived there for, like, a year. Everybody loved him. He was that guy that, when the bar was done, they were like, what should we name this place? They named it Bemelman's.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Fun fact. Yeah, I'm just, like, full of New York.

[A]

If you're full of New York thing, you have to do Eloise.

[B]

That's girly. Like, hella girly.

[A]

But it's historic.

[B]

Did I tell you about the exciting thing happening with my, like, Tick Tock friend who makes videos about New York history?

[A]

No.

[B]

I think I told you guys. Yeah, I did.

[A]

No, you did.

[B]

I was talking about him on the podcast.

[A]

Tick Tock friend who makes videos about New York history, and it's not me.

[B]

Yeah, I told you. Like, remember the lamps?

[A]

Okay. Yeah, the lamps.

[B]

Well, he heard what I said about him on the podcast. He asked if I wanted to do a video.

[A]

Oh, that's pretty cool.

[B]

Like, sharing a New York fact. So I told him to, like, find a fact and we'll do it together. Oh, are you sure I didn't tell you that? I'm, like, having you told us about

[A]

the lamps, but I didn't know that you had, like, a. I didn't know

[B]

that you had a friend, Johnny. Oh.

[A]

What sort of facts should you do? There are so many good ones, you know?

[B]

Well, I know I told him that I'm really into the park, so if he has, like, park ones, I would love to do, but I will let him sort of. I won't tell him how to do his job.

[A]

You know, I took a course in college on the history of New York.

[B]

That's a class I would take.

[A]

Yeah, it was a great class. And, like, now at. At 30, you're probably ready to take a course like that. I would take it again if I could, but I can say with pride that I appreciated it at the time, and that's good. And I really absorbed a lot of what I learned.

[B]

Okay. You're like a sponge.

[A]

So. So. And that doesn't usually happen. You know, I took a lot of cool courses, and you would never know it. Like, the fact that I took a whole course on Russia. And let me tell you, I was shocked when I found out the. What happened in Chernobyl to the Imperial family and the House of Special Purpose. Yeah, I. I obviously learned that in my course of Russia, and I had no idea.

[B]

Youth is wasted on the young, my friend.

[A]

Education is wasted on the young.

[B]

Speaking of educating, I am educating quite a few people today because my episode with Susie Weiss is on. Her podcast, Second Thought comes out today. It's out already. You can watch it on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. And I was just watching it. They've got great lighting. Do you think our lighting is good? Like, good enough?

[A]

I think our lighting here is good. There's always better lighting, but I have no issues with our lighting. I feel like it's really fair to us. I think I'm gonna listen to your podcast. You know, I don't always listen.

[B]

I know. I actually. I never listen to.

[A]

But I guess I would be like. I guess if I look inward, like, I think I'm listening for Susie, you know?

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Because it's like, we usually don't listen to each other when we, like, do other stuff. And we also do so many podcasts, like, and we talk all the time. Like, what are we. We have to.

[B]

I'm not saying anything that you personally haven't heard, but Susie had just read my book, so she was doing, like, a big sort of union on turd self.

[A]

I want to hear it from Susie's pov.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. She's great. And I have to say, I was so funny. I said this on yesterday's episode that ended up in the garbage, but I was really operating at, like, a different level when I sat down with Smith Seuss. I was so funny. I was cracking myself up.

[A]

Okay, I can't wait to watch. Did you guys talk about me at all?

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Oh, okay, good. That will make it. Like, whenever I have.

[B]

Whenever I share, I say. I try to do this all the time. Like, whenever I share a thought that we've sort of come to, like, think together, you know, like, we have our. We have our theses on things.

[A]

We do have our thesis.

[B]

Well, I always say, like, Jackie and I always say. I never say, like, I think I know I'm.

[A]

I'm very much a we person as well.

[B]

Yeah. It's important to lift everyone up with you.

[A]

It is But I would understand if you're out there. Like, I. I, like, I understand.

[B]

Yeah. I'm. I've never been, like, an eye type of person. I think we all agree.

[A]

Never. Never.

[B]

Oh, I am doing something craz.

[A]

What? And what's the crazy thing that you did again? Okay. Okay. Keep track of your crazy things.

[B]

That was crazy.

[A]

Yes, I do find what I'm doing

[B]

is I'm doing a Soto method class. And I know you guys are gonna say I've been following. Yeah. But I've been doing, like, personal training with Hillary because she's my friend, and so she obviously does it modified, like, for someone who's not capable of true exercise. But today I was like, you know what?

[A]

You're doing, like, the group, like a

[B]

class with other people. I hate working out in front of other people. It's genuinely humiliating.

[A]

I guess that is constitutes as crazy.

[B]

I don't think I've undersold, oversold any of the crazy things this morning.

[A]

That one was. That's oversold. That one.

[B]

Just.

[A]

That one.

[B]

Going to a workout class. That's actually really crazy.

[A]

Well, no, because I don't see. I don't see that as crazy for you because I just see you as, like, this very capable, strong person.

[B]

That's really beautiful.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

We have a lot to discuss that. I just think we should get into it. We also have Queenie and Weenie. And I love when my Queenie and Weenie just, like, fall into place over the course of the week. I, like, wrote them down a few days ago, you know?

[A]

Yeah, I love that. I love Queenie and Weenie.

[B]

I know you do.

[A]

So I just.

[B]

I know you actually want to do it three times a week.

[A]

I want to make mention I'm wearing another OG sponsor on my feet today.

[B]

Thursday boots.

[A]

Rothy's.

[B]

Rothy's come back.

[A]

Rothy's. I don't know where they went, but I guess I all. Maybe our old sponsors are coming back because they both, like, gifted them to me and I got, like, new Rothies. And Rothy's are a brand that, like, we used to do ads for. They went away. I think they, like, canceled us, probably. But the product sounds about right. The product was so good, I kept buying them.

[B]

We're so authentic.

[A]

And now they gave me a free pair, so I really like them. They're little Mary Janes. They're very cute. Do you see them?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Very cutesy.

[B]

I'm wearing Hokas, like, so not a big deal. They're brand new.

[A]

Hoka. Hoka.

[B]

I. Yeah. It's like, I really wish you would have. Making a big deal.

[A]

No, I was trying to be cool about it, you know.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Just.

[B]

I appreciate that. Regular every day. Yeah. So not a big deal. So I'm okay with diving in. I really want to talk about Summer House if you are.

[A]

Yeah. Let's get into the fast five stories that you do need to know.

[B]

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[A]

First up, summer House Reunion taped yesterday. So here's the series of events that happened from last night until today when Summer House Reunion finished taping. Andy Cohen came out of the taping and said that the season 10 reunion is one of the most intense in the hundreds that he's filmed. So. And he filmed a video, little video last night as he left the reunion just being like, wow, this was intense. One of the most intense he's ever done. And that, you know, we would all see it soon. This morning, most of us woke up to leaked audio from the Summer House reunion. It was a conversation about Wes Mandible. Sierra calls Amanda a snake in the grass. Her.

[B]

And a pretty scathing clip.

[A]

It's pretty scathing. Her and Mia and what sounds like kj. I guess I thought it was Kyle

[B]

saying more in the reunion than he said the whole season.

[A]

Yeah. Because I think he really looks at Sierra like a sister and is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Really going to bat for her. Are, you know, coming out Amanda and Wes for why they did what they did. Why would you do that? A couple sound bites. Page Six has this as Sierra saying this, but I heard it as Mia. Let me know what you thought. The person said you went from being married and I'm not saying your relationship was perfect.

[B]

No, this was Mia.

[A]

This was Mia. Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To being one of west side bitches. She called that crazy and unnecessary. Then Sierra said, there are a million other fucking guys in New York City and you chose the one guy.

[B]

True.

[A]

She said, you're a snake in the grass. And you know, you are. You move silent, but you're deadly. At another point in the clip, they called her out for lying directly to Sierra when asked about it. And Amanda said that she did lie because she was still trying to figure it out. She said it was also new and I was figuring it out. There were so many layers and complications to this. The fact that he was seeing other people, the fact that I was married. She also insisted that you can't help who you like and are attracted to. To which Sierra said, yes, you can.

[B]

I actually really appreciated that because Amanda's taking stance is like Listen, you can't help who you fall in love with. Obviously, this is not ideal. I was married to his friend. Your ex girlfriend is one of my best friends. But, like, you can't help who you fall in love with. And I just want to be abundantly clear that, like, this is not love. It was probably lust, and now it's sort of like they're just clinging to each other because that's all that they have. And I think if west had a choice, he wouldn't be with her, but he really has no choice. Like, he has to be with her. Not only. I think that it would actually be really bad for her. Like, I. I don't think she could handle that emotionally. But two, like, you just blew up your whole life for what? Like, he has to stay.

[A]

And the only way for him to look worse right now would be to leave.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And dry.

[B]

Like, But I appreciated Sierra saying that because you said it, and I never even thought about it, but it's so true. Like, just to indulge in every little feeling that you have is an extremely immature, like, yeah, maybe you did think. I think a lot of people are cute.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, like, just to in, like, act on every single impulsive feeling that you have. Like, that's actually a really immature and

[A]

unnecessary and like, you have sort of no sel control. And she's not even saying you can't help who you love. She didn't say that. She said, you can't help who you like and are attracted to.

[B]

Yeah, but that's the thing. That's why Amanda's in the worst position ever. Like, she obviously loves West. Like, she does for sure. She could never say that to him. He would run away. Like, because this is not a real relationship. Right.

[A]

Another hard position to be in. And then Sierra, you know, went on to say, like, you're still technically married and you're, like, getting with us. And she was like, so I have to be celibate and single until a judge signs the. And paperwork. Where Sierra was just like, there are a million guys in New York and you chose the one. Which is what.

[B]

Yes. Sierra needs to not bring up the marriage thing. Like, nobody cares. Like, the problem here is not that she was still technically married. We know that they were separated. Like, that's not the issue.

[A]

Amanda could have dated any other guy on the planet except from, like. Except for maybe Craig. Yeah. And would have been a hero. Everyone would have loved her relationship, celebrated it, etc. Except for West Wilson.

[B]

I will say I listened to the leak and obviously, it's just a microcosm. Right. We don't know if it was the beginning, the middle, or the end. But I felt like they weren't going hard enough. Like, I really. And I. I like her audacity. She is not coming in, you know, tail between her legs. They're not coming in apologetic and taking accountability. It's very much like, well, this is what happened. And, you know, it's unfortunate, but we're in love. Like. And so I don't feel like people are in on the couches based on this, just this clip are being hard enough, honestly.

[A]

Yeah. I think they need to tread a little bit lighter than they did with Scandal. I think in hindsight, like, that was too much. And so I think, like, make your feelings plain, call out the lies, call out the bullshit, but it doesn't have to get to that level. And I think they can make their point better if they don't get to that level. I think that the way that the conversation was going, like, seemed like they were firing on all appropriate cylinders. And he also put out a statement this morning about the leak. He said that he tweeted on my way to eye surgery and just reading about it, people laid their souls out emotionally for 10 hours yesterday. And it's disgusting and illegal for someone to leak or distribute this. It's disrespectful to the work and tears the cast put in yesterday. Let the season play out. You will see it all in due time.

[B]

All right, calm down. Like, we're just excited.

[A]

What do you think about the fact that it leaked, though?

[B]

Well, I think it's interesting because one of my favorite, like, facts that I once learned while reading Andy's books was they used to have a lot of leaks at reunions. They could not figure out how to get the leaks to stop. And it was when they stopped putting monitors in people's dressing rooms that the leak stopped because it was more often than not hair and makeup in the dressing rooms, just, like, sitting around waiting for the people to come back for break and just watching and leaking. So they used to. They plugged the audio.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And because the people in hair and makeup, they need to watch to see if somebody needs a touch up, but they don't need to hear.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so they removed the audio from everyone's dressing room, and that pretty much stopped all the leaks. What's crazy is that there wasn't a leak like this with Scandal. Like, this is kind of a big deal that there is a leak. People are trying to guess who leaked it from the cast, because it sounds like, you know, it sounds like Mia's far away, but Sierra is closer. I do not think it was a cast member. I really don't.

[A]

So people were thought maybe even west and Amanda leaked it because it sounded like they were closer. I want to look at the seating chart again, because I don't think Bravo's Instagram. I don't think it was them, but I think it. If it was a cast member, it was someone on their side.

[B]

And I also imagine it's someone who's not talking.

[A]

It's Carl.

[B]

I imagine it's someone who's not talking because it would be so obvious when you talk that, like, your phone is closest to you.

[A]

Oh, you know. But I thought KJ sounded the furthest away.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's. It goes Amanda West.

[B]

Who do you think sounded the loudest?

[A]

I'd have to listen to it again

[B]

because now I think Jackie, maybe it was Andy.

[A]

Oh, that would be funny. And I just want to say, regarding the leak in general, I actually think it's a good thing that this obviously, because it's, like, very titillating for us. We needed something. You know, this obviously doesn't give away the whole reunion. There's no spoilers here. It's all very obvious. It's all very obvious what they're saying, but at least we get, like, a little taste. And I think we're gonna have to wait a long time for this reunion to come out, and they need to keep us engaged. And I think Net Net, this little tiny leak is, like, good for the show.

[B]

Obviously, Andy's like, fake outrage. Calm down. Like, it's really not him bringing in the cast and the crew, you know,

[A]

not to bring in the legality.

[B]

Yeah. I wonder who it was. I'm just. I would never tell anyone, but if anybody knows, just, like, let me know. I'm just curious.

[A]

Yeah, it went on Reddit. So, like, whoever had it, and I imagine it would have been, like, a cast member, like, voice noting it. Maybe they sent it to, like, a friend.

[B]

You think it was a cast member?

[A]

Who else would be that close?

[B]

Well, I don't know, but I guess. Oh, I guess. Yeah.

[A]

Like, and because, like, people who are in production.

[B]

I know who it was. Levi Lee was totally. I can't believe she's at the reunion.

[A]

People who are in production, I actually don't think they care that much, like, about the show. They're just, like, manning the camera, like, doing their job. But the people on the couch, like, they Engage with, like, the. The Bravo accounts.

[B]

And they have a lot of personal. Like, personal and, like, investment in what happens.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I think nobody cares more than them.

[B]

I think it was Andy. I just want to say I think

[A]

it was Carl or Jesse Solomon. Dara.

[B]

Sad for this reunion.

[A]

It wasn't Mia. She's too far away. Wasn't. It's giving.

[B]

Right. Couch.

[A]

Carl. Jesse. I think Dara. I think it was Carl, I think.

[B]

So it's settled. It was Carl. They also left the reunion together. Amanda and Wes. She was, like, wrapped in a blanket.

[A]

I just want to say, like, they looked kind of fabulous.

[B]

You think they. I thought they looked for biss enough.

[A]

I thought the blanket, like, as. You know, as much as, like, she could be fabulous in a blanket. Like, it sort of looked like a big, furry coat.

[B]

And I thought. I did not read it that way.

[A]

And it was like, their first, like, you know, stepping out together. I actually thought, like, not that I. Not that I support them in any way, but I have to be honest about what I of course, saw, and I actually thought that it was a good look.

[B]

What's interesting is that Sierra left privately through the garage meeting. Like, they chose to be pop.

[A]

And then they're like this. Yeah.

[B]

Right. And like, you are wearing the blanket. Like, you just caught. Well, everybody else left regular. I didn't see pictures of anyone else leaving.

[A]

You didn't?

[B]

No, just them.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

And Sierra. I, like, they were obviously given a choice.

[A]

Maybe not everyone was giving a choice. Maybe they were like, get out there. Go take pictures. You know, we care about Sierra. We're going to protect her, but we're not protecting you. Walk out the front door.

[B]

That's interesting.

[A]

Yeah, I would do that if, like, this were my show. Yeah, I would want to, like, just protect Sierra and everyone else can figure it out.

[B]

I just know west is in hell. Like, I know he's so unhappy with

[A]

his having the time.

[B]

And that brings me joy because. And you know what's so funny? I saw an edit to, like, this whole saga to the bridge of the smallest man who ever lived. And it's actually. It's West Wilson, obviously, because he's small. Like, he's short, but, like, you deserve prison. Like, you literally deserve prison, but you won't get time. You'll slide into inboxes and slip through the vines. You cry like, it's actually crazy how that song is about him.

[A]

Interesting. And the part where you send best

[B]

someone literally who wanted me dead. Did you sleep with a gun underneath our bed? Were you Writing a book? Were you a sleeper cell spy? In 50 years, will all this be declassified?

[A]

All those things are giving Wesley way too much credit.

[B]

Yeah, of course. No, no. And you'll confess why you did it. And I'll say good riddance. Cause it wasn't sex. It was. It wasn't forbidden. I would have done died for your sins. Instead, I just died inside. And you deserve prison. Literally. He deserves prison. That time.

[A]

But the rest of the song is actually making too much of him. Like, he's making too much of him.

[B]

The fact, like, sometimes, like, somebody especially romantic partners will do something so evil to you. And, like, how is it not illegal?

[A]

Like Tom Cannibal?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, how do you not go to jail for that?

[B]

Like, how can you do something so, so, so bad and not be a criminal?

[A]

Yeah. No, it's like Sandoval, and it's just not. And nor. I mean, it's just not. But, yes, I understand the line. I understand the line.

[B]

Oh, I'm so sad. Like, I'm sad. I think I'm gonna have a watch party, like, for the read.

[A]

I mean. Okay.

[B]

West will come.

[A]

Might be in the Hamptons this summer, because that's how far away it is.

[B]

Oh, yeah. When is it?

[A]

It'll probably be five weeks, six sweets.

[B]

You know, I drink electrolytes every morning. I keep getting, like, these clumps of, like. Like, powder in my electrolytes.

[A]

And, like, it's like, I saw you struggling. I chose to ignore you.

[B]

You saw me struggling?

[A]

I did, But I was in the middle of, like, talking about our first big story, the big news, and I thought, she'll figure it out.

[B]

Yeah, I will figure it out. I'm gonna start my own line of electrolytes, like, so I can stop choking.

[A]

She'll figure it out over there. Are you ready for our next story?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Jake Shane and Alex Earl are messing with us. They posted a video yesterday, an ad for Venmo that also feels like an ad for her going on his podcast to spill the tea.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What do you know?

[B]

I actually did speak to Jake Shane. Let me tell you something about Jake Shane. He's the steel trap. Like, oh, no, that's not what's. Like, when you're quiet.

[A]

I think a steel trap.

[B]

No, your mind can be a steel trap. And, like, you forget when you don't forget stuff. That's steel trap. He's a vault.

[A]

He's a vault.

[B]

Let me tell you. He or an amazing actor, because he said he, like, had no tea or nothing.

[A]

And I'm like, really sure.

[B]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[A]

So do you think she's going on therapists?

[B]

She's been on therapist. No, I feel like it was just the ad. It's very clear.

[A]

It was just an ad.

[B]

I think it was just an ad, but I think it's also very clear what her step, what the steps forward will be for.

[A]

I thought so, too. I was like, fine, I'll wait for the show. Like, whatever. I'm over it. But then they post that ad, and he's, like, smiling at the end, knowingly.

[B]

Yeah, I just think he's, like a smiler, you know, I think he's a person who smiles.

[A]

I can't with him because he totally was a smile of. This girl's coming on my podcast, and she's going to spill all the tea. I hope you can't.

[B]

Oh, that's so funny. I didn't really think that. I just thought it was, like, a cutesy ad. I watch it again now through that lens.

[A]

I felt like she's going on his podcast. They know it's going to be the biggest thing. They, like, reached out to partners. Like, does anybody want to, like, do an ad?

[B]

Oh, that's interesting.

[A]

They, like, recorded this Venmo thing.

[B]

Let me see.

[A]

Partnership again, the forthcoming episode. But that's just, like, my take.

[B]

I was loud.

[A]

Are you so excited for the pod today? Yeah. She's going on the pod jacket.

[B]

Is that.

[A]

You like it?

[B]

It's really cute. Thanks. I just got it and.

[A]

Can you pause for a second?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Well, in the beginning, he said, are you so excited for the pod today?

[B]

But let me. Let me watch it again, and then I'll give my analysis.

[A]

So I didn't make it up.

[B]

I love you. I was cracking. I just thought it was, like, a funny commercial. He shows up in the same jacket.

[A]

Jake, where did you get that?

[B]

I'm sorry. I really like the jacket, and I went out and got it with my Venmo debit card. I wanted to earn cash back with Venmo stash. That was 20 minutes ago. Well, actually it was 25, but who's counting? Just come. Okay, So I think the smile at the end is just more so like a cutesy way to end the ad. But he does say, watch over time at the beginning. Are you so excited for the pod today? It's going to be so fun.

[A]

So you can't go on his pod and not talk about this.

[B]

Praying it's going to be Sunday. Surprise episode.

[A]

Are you convinced?

[B]

I'm not, but I do have questions on why he said that thing in

[A]

the beginning and the smile at the end. So you don't think she's going on his pod?

[B]

I don't know why she would. But she has her own show. She has her own YouTube series.

[A]

Like, there's a, like, I mean, it's one of like the biggest platforms in terms of like, telling your story. It's actually sort of the perfect thing for her to do and it's not like she has to host it.

[B]

I also think that Jake Shane is definitely like a thorn in Alex Earl. Alex Cooper's side. Like, I think he was like this little show, like this little tick tock and it's like blowing up now. People go to him.

[A]

It's really mostly.

[B]

Especially music people.

[A]

Yeah, it's one or two.

[B]

So maybe not only does she want to tell her story, but also, like, stick it to Cooper and like, she knows that maybe like Alex Cooper hates Jake Shane.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. They. Well, they obviously hate each other too, because Jake Shane is Alex Earl's best friend. So like, oh yeah, he hates by osmosis, common enemies. But I think she's going on his podcast and if she is, she will talk about it because. Don't. What?

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

What else are you doing here?

[B]

I obviously support her going on.

[A]

I want to say I think it's a good strat because he.

[B]

I also think he's on Netflix. He's on Netflix. She's on Netflix. It's like still part of the synergy, but I can't imagine why. Now everyone's sort of content with her saving it for her reality show. We've all accepted that, so why wouldn't she?

[A]

I don't know. That's why I'm like, I thought there was a wrench thrown in yesterday. Get back on the board. Zero days.

[B]

I don't have to get back on the board because I never changed it.

[A]

Zero days without.

[B]

It has been zero days since we've talked about the Lex First Lick drama in a formal capacity.

[A]

It was formal.

[B]

I think I have a typo here.

[A]

Maybe better luck next week. Oh, you have a typo?

[B]

Yeah, I wrote about a B O U P. I must have been talking and writing at the same time.

[A]

Yeah, you guys wouldn't know because it's part of the lost files.

[B]

Yeah, it was in yesterday's pre recording.

[A]

They're like, get away your random whiteboard. We don't know what that is.

[B]

Well, it's been zero days. On Monday it will be two.

[A]

We'll have to make it two zero shows.

[B]

You're right. Hold on. Yeah, because that. Because then we take a vacation. Like.

[A]

Yeah. Then we have to start counting days. Let's go by shows.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. Now, are you ready for our next story?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz are engaged after eight months of dating.

[B]

This is really interesting.

[A]

This is really crazy. Following Internet breaking images of Zoe Kravitz spotting a ring on that finger, a source tells Page Six the two are engaged. He's completely smitten, says the insider. He would jump off a cliff for her. Well, that's not slay. That's not good. Meanwhile, we're told she is on cloud nine.

[B]

She better be. I didn't believe this when I saw her wearing the ring because I do think that celebrities put on big pieces of jewelry on random fingers just to start stuff and, like, keep their name in the news. It's like a good way to stay relevant.

[A]

Sometimes you get, like, gifted a piece of jewelry or you're borrowing something and it only fits on a certain finger. Like, it's really not that serious. I haven't worn a wedding ring in a year now.

[B]

Same. And also, like, sometimes you just don't have enough fingers for all the rings that you have. So it's not always so. I didn't. I wasn't getting on board with people. Like, she's engaged, and now I guess it's being reported as fact. So she's engaged. And it's crazy that Harry's had so many high profile relationships, but he's never been engaged. So this obviously means something. I, of course, think of it from the, like, POV of, well, is she going to be. Is he gonna be her plus one to Taylor's wedding? Like this. Right.

[A]

Yeah, of course.

[B]

And then Taylor's gonna go to their wedding. Like, that's just weird.

[A]

But her and Harry are cool. They're like the sort of exes like her and Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner. Like, I think it's all good now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Especially now with Taylor is like, with Travis. Like, you can't be. She can have a couple exes that, like, are Persona non grata.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Forever. Maddie Healy.

[B]

Yeah. Harry's not one of them.

[A]

Jake Gyllenhaal, Joe Alwyn. Well, Joe Alwyn, Harry. You know what? They're gonna see each other at work events like you have, and they're always

[B]

like, like, you know, cordial.

[A]

So I think that this is fine.

[B]

Yeah. I can't believe Harry Styles is off the market. I feel like the fact that this Isn't bigger news? Like, it's obviously big news, but I feel like really speaks to his star sort of having fallen somewhat recently, don't you find, with the new Aperture?

[A]

With.

[B]

Did the album come out? Oh, the album did come out. It came and went very quickly.

[A]

Yeah, I guess his star has fallen. But I also think that maybe it was because there was so much hoopla around him and Olivia Wilde that, like, whatever he did next, like, everyone was just gonna sort of not engage. Sort of like Kim and Lewis, like, yeah, right. We've done this before. And so people just aren't as, like, jazzed up about it.

[B]

No, but there was a time that, like, if Harry Styles had gotten engaged, like, there would have been vigils held in every major city. Like, people would not have been okay. And now it's, like, cute.

[A]

Yeah, it is cute. And I guess it's like, soon eight months. But I endorse that. Like, when, you know, you know, telling them that they're moving too quickly.

[B]

People in Hollywood do way crazier. Like dating for eight months, like, at an age appropriate relationship. And you guys have spent, like, really, you were spotted together almost every week. Like, you obviously spend a lot of time together. I have no problem with this. And I actually think they're a great couple and I wish them well. Speaking of great couples, did you see Haley Bieber's Instagram story?

[A]

I did. That's actually our next story.

[B]

Oh, then, sorry, I don't want to rush. Let's just go back to talking about the. The Kravitzes. So her name is going to be Zoe Styles. That's a cute name.

[A]

That is a cute name.

[B]

I mean, Styles is such a great last name. I don't think, like, even if your name was, like, you know, Monster.

[A]

Monster Styles. If your name was Jay Z. Monster Styles. Funny.

[B]

It's just a great last name. Monster Styles Sounds like, like a goth store. Like Hot Topic, you know?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, we can go to the next story if you want.

[B]

No, no, no, you don't have to keep bearing names. No, we can. Jackie Styles.

[A]

Jackie Styles. That's cute. It sounds like I run a, like a personal styling business.

[B]

Instagram.

[A]

Yeah. Claudia Stiles. Now that feels right.

[B]

It actually doesn't work.

[A]

No, it does sound like a verb. Okay. Like Claudia Styles.

[B]

Claudia Styles who? Yeah, I guess I never thought about what it's like to have a verb for a last name. Let's think about it. Wait, are there others? Like walks? Is that like a name?

[A]

No, like Walker.

[B]

A noun. Not the same, like, yeah,

[A]

Eats. Not a name, lives.

[B]

Breathes Sound off in the comments. Do you know someone that has a verb for a last name?

[A]

Please let us know.

[B]

Do let us know.

[A]

I feel now completely ready for our next story. Yeah, I'm ready too. Hailey Bieber shares a cryptic message about not needing any apologies. So Haley Bieber is telling Internet trolls to hit the road. Oh, good one. E News.

[B]

Oh, that is actually a good one.

[A]

So she posted an Instagram story saying, all good on apologies. The therapy's already paid for. Save it. I guess alluding to the fact that she's now.

[B]

The Internet has switched up. Like. Like road being a billion dollar company. It's been a slow transition, but now I feel like she's truly on the other side of the insane, like, Jelena hate. And so now everyone's like, Haley, such a queen. And I know what she's saying. At first I was like, is she talking to someone specifically? And then I was like, no, this is clearly about, like, the Internet switch up on her. And it just feels good to know, like, she's not talking to me here. Like, I never. I never hated Haley Bieber. Like, I am elite in my thinking,

[A]

you know, I completely agree. I just feel like, miss me with that, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was not intended for me because

[B]

I actually, like, I never even once had a bad thought about, like, there's so nothing to hate.

[A]

My thoughts and my words about Haley Bieber have been so pure.

[B]

Yeah. And so while I see this mess happening, it's like, not my circus, not my monkey. And I'm sorry that happened. But I feel good knowing, like, I played no part in her therapy. Like, she's not in therapy. I. Because of me.

[A]

No. And beyond that, it's a great time to be able to say, like, we were right, you know, which always feels good to say, we rode for Haley when it was unpopular. Like, we knew she was that girl and we were right.

[B]

And it encourages us to continue, like, sharing unpopular opinions because one day we will be right.

[A]

Our popular opinions will bear fruit. And I feel like recently there have been a couple things that it was like, you know, I felt a certain way, but I didn't say it because it wasn't popular. And then it came home to roost. Amanda. I should have said it because I would have gotten the credit then.

[B]

Yeah, right. No, but we truly.

[A]

We also can't go too hard. You can't go too hard.

[B]

No, of course, of course, of course.

[A]

You don't want to end up in the mud It's a fine line, but a little encouragement to the unpopular opinions.

[B]

And I sleep really well at night knowing, like, I played no part in the actual decade long bullying stunt that was pulled on Ms. Haley Bieber. Like, and I actually fought against it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was on the right side of history.

[A]

Yeah. We were against the tide. Yeah. Have you.

[B]

And I don't. I'm not, like, easily manipulated by Internet, you know, like, memes, Meme text and memes.

[A]

Texas meme. She's Texas pk. Have you been seeing that meme going around attached to the opposite of what we're saying? But I found it really funny. It's like, in a world where everyone's, like, on lip filler, Botox and peptides and fake and like, this is me. And it's like group crowds where, like, it's like, the person in the middle of the group.

[B]

Yes. I have seen the meme.

[A]

It's a hysterical trope.

[B]

It is.

[A]

It's like a funny thing that followers are doing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

At least you could be like a self aware follower.

[B]

It's a group thinker. Yeah.

[A]

Because I'm sure you've also seen the meme of, like, one person and then like a thousand people and we are the one. And the one is like, no, you're wrong.

[B]

And yeah, that's literally me talking about Blake Lively. Like, it is.

[A]

So I'm with the thousand. I'm actually not with the thousand. I'm not in the picture.

[B]

You're not photographed?

[A]

Not seen, photographed? No.

[B]

No. You're not in that image for that particular topic?

[A]

No, I'm not. Well, I'm happy for Haley Bieber that not only that she's like, getting love that she finally deserves, but, like, that she recognizes.

[B]

No. And not that she doesn't even care anymore. Like, that's how healed she is.

[A]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[B]

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[A]

Thank you All Day turts.

[B]

You're welcome.

[A]

I'll wait. I'll wait. I feel like a teacher.

[B]

You won't indulge me in my I did something crazy last night. It's like, why would I indulge you? Like for real?

[A]

I feel like I did a lot of indulging though, to a point.

[B]

But the time is up. We're no longer indulging, I guess.

[A]

We're no longer indulging all day jerked. We're no longer indulging all day here. Even though I change it every time. Like the thing about I did something crazy last night, it's like. Like I'm just trying to change it, evolve.

[B]

What changes is the crazy thing that I did.

[A]

Our fifth and final story is genuinely the craziest thing. Someone actually did something crazy. Crack crazier. Meth crazier. Diana Rossini and Mike Vaugh, the NFL drama the NFL, like Scandival were caught kissing at a New York this is

[B]

the Scandival of the NFL.

[A]

This is the craziest story. So we reported on a few weeks ago just because everyone was talking about it. Like this person who works for the head coach, head coach of the Patriots and the football reporter for the New York Times Whatever the that is. Were caught at the same resort having an affair at the same resort, like, you know, holding hands, whatever. And you know, the NFL were was in a tizzy. They were both previously married. Some old, like things that she had said, like disparaging her husband resurfaced.

[B]

It was just like, it was genuinely hilarious.

[A]

Like just a weird, crazy affair story, whatever.

[B]

Yeah, it was a fun time.

[A]

Now it's like, it's taking a crazy turn. So one, the two of them were caught kissing at a New York City bar in new photos that were just released that were taken six years before this scandal started. The photos are from March 2020, March 11, actually, two days before the pandemic.

[B]

Who released these photos, like for real? Who's been holding on to them for six years?

[A]

I don't know. Like, maybe it was someone who like thought that they saw Mike.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

And this lady kissing and then like nothing ever came of it. So they just like didn't do anything about it. And then when this story came out, they were like, oh my God, remember

[B]

last time we went to a bar

[A]

and they've been like looking for their old phone since.

[B]

Ever since. And they just got, they just got found the charger.

[A]

So not only have old photos surfaced of them together at a bar in 2020, but people found an old tweet of hers that.

[B]

A couple old tweets that she Tweeted

[A]

this in 2021 1. I keep looking at my almost 4 day old son Michael, while trying to figure out who are the best Michaels to ever play and coach in the NFL, which.

[B]

Why would you be wondering that?

[A]

Why would you be wondering? I guess if you're like, like we were just, you know how we talk about like famous people who share the same names as our sons and if she works in sports, then I guess it actually could be innocent. But then somebody went back and figured out that In November of 2020, she was in Nashville or Tennessee covering a game and Mike Vrabel was also in Nashville at the same time. And then her son was born nine months later. Sort of saying that like they think that they've discovered that Mike is the real father of her child who she named Michael.

[B]

It's not, it's implausible.

[A]

It's not inconceivable. No, no, because like I had Charlie in August and I conceived him in November.

[B]

Was he. This was six years ago. Like, he's the new coach. Like, what was he doing?

[A]

Oh, he was obviously the head coach somewhere else, maybe a college team.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You don't just become the head coach of the Patriots with no. No prior career.

[B]

Right, right, right.

[A]

So that doesn't say anything. And they were kissing in 2020.

[B]

The Internet is insane.

[A]

The Internet is insane. So they were kissing in March 2020. She had her son in August of 2021, and they are still carrying on an affair in 2026.

[B]

It's entirely possible. It's not even like, oh, it's funny. It's actually, like, likely. Yeah. I would say it's a 50. 50. She was still sleeping with her husband.

[A]

And I actually think it's, like. It's actually so crazy and, like, inappropriate to, like, speculate on the paternity of her child. Like, for real. But these crumbs are massive, aren't they're not crumbs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like they're loaves of bread.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so she's gonna need to, like, say something and shut this down because it's a wild way that if not

[B]

true, if it's not true, I wonder.

[A]

Yeah, but you also, like, don't want to, like, you know, feed the flames. And you don't need to respond to everything that's just, like, so out of control. But, like, maybe this timing is all just so unfortunate. Like, if you were having an affair and she seemed to be having an affair with this guy in 2020.

[B]

Well, it's crazy. She's having an affair while having kids.

[A]

It's crazy that she was having an affair and then named her child the name of her boyfriend. The person that's, like, what Adam Levine tried to do.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Do you see Adam Levine's new face?

[A]

No. You know, I don't see faces. I'm face blind.

[B]

I'm sorry. I'm so. Yeah, you are. You do have.

[A]

I'm actually. I'm new face blind.

[B]

I don't like a woman. He looks like an older. Looks like Kris Jenner.

[A]

Is that nice?

[B]

I don't care. I don't care. Like, men getting facelifts is so weird because nobody asks that of them. Like, they all get to age gracefully. So to get a facelift by choice. I'm sorry. It needs to be spoken about because it's embarrassing as hell. Especially a bad one like Bradley Cooper, who now, Adam Lee Jack, you have to look up a picture of him going, someone's grandma. He looks like Diane Warren.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah. Right?

[A]

Because it's funny. This article, like, has a picture, an old picture of him in body. I'm like, he looks the same. He looks. I'M going to scroll down and see if he looks any different. And he does. He really does.

[B]

It's crazy. And he was, like, such a handsome guy. I'm sure he was aging, like, totally fine.

[A]

And also, like, men, aging is like a nice look.

[B]

Look. It's a nice look. And like, the world lets them age gracefully and tells them how much better looking they get. So you're gonna do all this when you don't have to? Like, I don't even feel I. I never make fun of women who get bad faceless like that. The world made them this way. You know, they had no choice.

[A]

It's at the Madame Tussauds wax figure museum. Oh, no, no, no. That was a joke someone made.

[B]

No, he's at, like, a breakthrough event, break through prize.

[A]

Someone.

[B]

Yeah, it is giving his wax figure,

[A]

like, wax figure gone wrong. This isn't nice.

[B]

I don't care. Like, seriously, if I didn't have to get a facelift, like, I would never.

[A]

And also, he did DM like some bikini model. I have a baby on the way. Should I name it after you?

[B]

Summoner Summer with an n. And did name it Sumner. No. Thank God. I can't believe she's still with him. Between the facelift and the dms, like, girl run,

[A]

historically, it's hard to get a guy.

[B]

Historically, it's hard to get a boyfriend. But I don't know if that applies to Bahati Prinsloo. Honestly, she's like one of those gorgeous Victoria's Secret bottles. That statement applies to, like, just regular people.

[A]

Yeah, like regular degulars.

[B]

If you've walked in the Victoria's Secret fashion show, like, that statement does not apply.

[A]

Yeah. Or if you have, like, a ton of money.

[B]

Agreed. Like, you're an heiress.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I guess you could have a ton of money as a woman and not have inherited it. No, but I actually. But you know, that list of female

[A]

billionaires is all heiresses and widows and divorcees.

[B]

Divorcees, Mackenzie.

[A]

But I, I think actually make a good point inadvertently, which is that, like, if you are a very successful businesswoman, it actually is hard to get a guy 100. So you actually can only be, like, an attractive, wealthy woman if you've inherited it. It from a partner.

[B]

Yeah, that's true. It's only. It's only attractive if you're, like, wealthy by blood, not by, like, sweat.

[A]

Yeah, like, guys, like, don't like that.

[B]

It's so true. Like, that's the way to be. Like, to be born in heiress. Like, sort of like Nicola Peltz. Like, I understand why she's probably insufferable. She's an heiress.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. She doesn't know how to not be.

[B]

Yeah. And I don't think anybody finds her wealth, like, intimidating.

[A]

And she's gorgeous. Like, maybe if you're an ugly heiress, you have to work on your personality. There's.

[B]

Jackie, there's no such thing as an ugly heiress.

[A]

No, but say you're, like, not a gorgeous heiress.

[B]

Have you ever seen with those Simi Hayes twins, like, their original faces?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

There's no such thing as an ugly heiress. It's true.

[A]

But, okay, say, like, until you were old enough to get reconstructive surgery.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Just offline.

[A]

Or you offline, went to a school where everybody's really rich, so it's like. Like, your money is not impressive. And then you have to work on your personality. Like, those are ways in which you could become, like, an interesting, lovely heiress.

[B]

It's beautiful.

[A]

All to say, this Diana Rossini story.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Mike Vrabel. I don't know how to pronounce any of their names. Has officially become the craziest thing I ever heard.

[B]

It is really crazy, because even if

[A]

evolving, even if, like, the. The child is her husband's and whatever, like, the coincidences are staggering. And how could you name your child the same name as the man that you kissed outside of your marriage a year and a half before?

[B]

That's really crazy.

[A]

Just gonna leave it at that.

[B]

Let's dive into our TV recap. I didn't watch a Beverly Hills reunion, but I will allow you to spoil it. I did see a great clip of Bose talking about, like, her teaching course versus, like, Amanda's courses about to spin.

[A]

That was crafty.

[B]

It was. But I did, first of all. I appreciated that. Yeah, I appreciate it.

[A]

From now on, whenever I have something that's not successful, I'm gonna say, it was a charitable endeavor.

[B]

No, not like, yeah, I lose money on it because, like, I care.

[A]

We did not do it to make money. We did it to gave, to give back. We did it to give back to the people.

[B]

To people who can't go to Harvard. Like, slay Mama.

[A]

It was a master class. That was the class I needed to go to Harvard for.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Of the spin.

[B]

The art of the spin.

[A]

Whether or not that's the truth in what she set out to do when she published a class, like, it doesn't matter. She just, like, won. Because once you say it's for charity, like, what can someone say?

[B]

Really?

[A]

What can someone Say, but I'm definitely going to use that one for my next unsuccessful venture. Thank you both. Let's take it from the top. So we started with Dorit v. Kyle. We talked about Dream pk. Net. Net. Dorit actually shared that her and PK are in a very good spot as of reunion taping. Things are better for them, and she was very relieved about it. So were all of the women. I hope that it stays that way because, you know, like, what's coming for her and, you know, whether or not they're in a good place or a bad place, like, she's gonna have to move and be a single mom, and it's just hard. She's a hard road ahead of her. So, like, let it be less hard for her. I do want that for her.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

We delved into Rachel being on the show and how open she's been and how she was surprised by how open she was. Andy was sur surprised by how open she was. Like, the viewers really appreciated it. And even though Roger, you know, has heard some of the things and is, like, not happy, she would not change it. Ultimately, she said she had a very hard summer. There were a lot of things that she did not share that were actually so much worse than what she did share, and that's why she was being so open, because it was, like, so, so crazy. How could she not just, like, share even the lesser crazy? But I think, all in all, she had a really good experience, and she's been so fab for the show. They panned to Amanda when they were saying how the viewers have really appreciate Rachel and she's gotten an outpouring of love and support, they pan to Amanda. And I just want to say, like, I am not an Amanda Francis hater.

[B]

And even when me neither.

[A]

Even when the hate was coming in, like, hot and fast, like, I. I never really felt that way. Like, I thought she was, like, kind of cringe and whatever, but I never, like, really hated her, and now I can appreciate her. They did talk a lot about how she is disparaging towards her husband, both, like, to his face and in her confessionals. And she was like, oh, no, he's not emasculated by it. Like, it's just the truth. And the girls are like. Like, he's not emasculated about it yet, but, like, these things will build and build, and it's true. Like, if they have a real marriage, like, of real. Two normal people in a marriage who love each other and need to, like, feel supported, that's not gonna End well sustainable. No one wants to hear that about themselves.

[B]

I am not an Amanda Francis hater any longer, but I do feel that her behavior, I think, in the beginning could be explained away. Like, it's an intimidating group. She's obviously not at the level. Like, her rolling calls in Sedona was, like, embarrassing. Think. But I really, really, really didn't like her behavior at whatever dinner party that was with Dorit, where she had been having a hard time because it was the anniversary, and she just sort of. I. I feel, acted it. She shouldn't have come, period. And I feel like she acted in a way that, like, just kind of made the whole situation just impossible. Like, there's nothing to say when somebody says that. So. Okay, yeah, we'll say nothing.

[A]

Yeah. I'll give her a pass for that, though, because it's a hard day for her. And so if she just wanted to shut down, that's what she did. I'm not gonna hold that against her. They talked a lot about, like, the labels and stuff, and she's like, I thought this was a show about, like, rich women who have cool. And Erica was like, that's not all this is, though. Like, you didn't bring anything other than that. And she's right for that.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

But on the other hand, and from the moment Amanda came on the show, like, she wasn't welcomed warmly, people just, like, didn't like her off the jump. So why would she start opening up and sharing? It wasn't, like, a warm, welcoming environment. But I do think ultimately, like, she talks the talk and she walks the walk. And I think that the reason why she's so disparaging towards her husband about, like, how financially unsuccessful he is is to inspire women that, like, you could make this much money. But as Rachel Zoe had said, like, there are other ways to inspire women without actually verbally saying it. Like, you can show rather than tell.

[B]

Yeah, no, and it's just, like, you can spit it however you want. Like, it's disrespectful.

[A]

Yeah. It really isn't rude and it's unnecessary, but I think she's just trying to, like, prove her point about, like, money queen. Money queen. Do you.

[B]

Well, she was obviously miscast. I want to say, like, I'm sorry. She doesn't belong on this show. I think that they've always maintained a level of just, like, a level that

[A]

you genuinely cannot say that because she lives in the house that Kyle lived in while being on the show for 10 years. So she's at the level that Kyle's at.

[B]

But I'm not even talking. Sorry. I'm really not talking about only money. Obviously money. There are women on the show who have a lot of money and, like, nothing else. There are women who don't have a ton. Like, Erica doesn't have a ton of money right now, but I still feel like she's eligible for the show for other reasons. Like, well, you could be well connected. Like. Like, I don't know. Amanda doesn't have anything in. In my opinion that makes her right for the show. Besides the fact that she lives in Kyle Richard's house.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And I guess she has a divisive personality, but she is bringing, like, Crystal Kong. Millennial energy.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Crystal Kong had, like, one of the biggest houses and a husband who's one of the biggest directors in Hollywood. No, but it got. I got her, you know, three seasons.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I wouldn't say she was miscast.

[A]

No. No.

[B]

I don't think she vibed with the group. I think Amanda was miscast past.

[A]

Yeah, perhaps. But I don't know. I could see her having time that

[B]

really stepped out of their bounds.

[A]

I do feel like nobody understands her, and I don't understand. I'm not. I'm not sure what there is to understand, but, like, maybe once we understand her and get to know her, it will all click. And I do think towards the end of the season, I was, like, getting to some place of, like, understanding, but the women don't, so it doesn't work. But I could see next season, like, her just finding a better way to show who she is, is, and making some connections. I could see it. I don't, like, I'm not totally out on her, but it just must be, like, hard to go up against, like, Rachel's first season, which was a. Yeah, that's sad. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, Kyle and Dorit fighting some more.

[B]

I can't stand Kyle. Oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah. And Erica and Dorit fighting, and they're so funny because, like, during the break, Dorit, like, goes to get makeup out of this, like, little Chanel pouch. And Erica's like, I got that for her. And Erica's like, I got that. Is that the one I got for you? And Dreet's like, yeah, that's how meaningful you were in my life. And Erica's like, yeah, and you were meaningful to me too. They're, like, fighting over who cared about each other.

[B]

We love each other.

[A]

Then they're like, like, that's so funny. And at the start of the episode, like, Andy's like, do you guys think there can be any resolution today? And dorit was like, I'm open. And Erica's like, I'm not hopeful.

[B]

Well, the thing is, is that I do feel like there's a lot of love between dorit and Erica. And if it weren't for Kyle, I do think there would be an easier path forward. But with kyle and dorit, I think there's no love. There's nothing. Like, there's nothing worth saving. They should not be friends. They really shouldn't. We shouldn't even bother trying. Erica and dorit, I feel like there's stuff there, but Erica's closeness with Kyle makes it almost impossible.

[A]

Yeah. And then Erica spoke about her new relation. She shared some more intimate details about her relationship with tom and how, like, things were not all at as it seemed. I mean, like, there's a lot that we knew that came out more recently, but just like Andy cited, you know, a lot of the times Tom was on the show and he always, like, played this, like, starry eyed husband. He'd go backstage at Erica's shows and like, was that all an act? And Erica was like, yeah, no, I wonder that too. But, like, ultimately he didn't come to see me on Broadway. Like, I don't think he supported me. He didn't think I was gonna even get the show when I.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because Andy was like, how did he feel about you going on the show? And she was like, he didn't think I was gonna get it. And then when she did, there was like, nothing he could really say.

[B]

I need a really bad first season. I wonder if he was, like, really mad. I forget about that time when, like, Erica was on and like, she brought him to like two dinners before he was like, really, really old. And he was just, like, so rude and weird. Remember with Lisa and Ken, I actually

[A]

don't remember feeling that way. And I feel like if he was rude and weird, we probably all chalked it up to like, him being just like, like, older and.

[B]

No, no. He had, like, a couple of really bad looks that first season. And then he stopped. Like, she literally, like, didn't let him

[A]

film anymore or he didn't film anymore. Sure. Well, the place looks great.

[B]

It always does. Let's dive into queenie and mini. Our final segment of the week where Jackie and I like to take a look back at the week. Give it, you know, wrap it up in a bow, Give out two awards. Queenie. And we have the week they're pretty self explanatory. Don't be upset if you find yourself Weenie one week, you could be Queenie another. It's a seven day title. Let's start. Start with Queenie. I think I'll go first.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'd like to share my Queenie of the Week because I think what this person did this week should be supported. Should be. I want. I want other people to, like, want to be Queenie of the Week because. And so they'll do what Dylan Sprouse did. They'll protect. Like, you don't hear enough about just like a man protecting his family, you know? And that's exactly what Dylan Sprouse did, and I love him for it. And he would have been my Queenie of the Week, like, anytime he comes up, because I just happen to love them as a couple, but I love even more so what he did this week.

[A]

And I do want to give justice to you because I think people were accusing you of, like, not showering Rick Hilton with love and affection when he did.

[B]

Yeah. Because the same thing happened, and I didn't say it was, like, hot.

[A]

I think that you did, though.

[B]

I kind of think I did, too. I think it's attractive when, like, men stand their ground and defend their homes.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. And I think that's a good one.

[B]

Great. Thank you.

[A]

I'm gonna give my Queenie of the Week to an entity.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm gonna give it to Hulu. They had a big week.

[B]

You know what? Yeah. They're really crushing it.

[A]

Job well done, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In the all hands, like, we can pat ourselves on the back. We're crushing it. But I just want to say, like, these shows better be good and they better come.

[B]

So many things get announced and never come.

[A]

So true.

[B]

My Weenie of the Week is somebody. Like, it's. I'm gonna say who it is, and it's not even for one thing. I feel like there were, like, three things this week that I kept making fun of Andy Cohen for. First of all, his attitude on Watch Happens Live was so crazy. Like, I just think that would be Weenie of the Week. Second of all, that statement he put out today about, like, the hurts and the feelings of the cats and the crew, like, please grow up. And the third, he hyped up this week's episode of Summer House far too much. That's three strikes. You're a weenie.

[A]

I just want to say I am the hardest on Andy Cohen. Like, I really am. Like, he's sort of Entering Bed and Platt territory for me.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

But I, I was actually having an opposite thought when I was watching the Beverly Hills reunion last night. I was like, he's really masterful at the reunions and so many other shows get reunions now and nobody can really do it. And like, he manages. And yes, a couple times he up Monique, Candace. Like, I'm not gonna.

[B]

Of course, of course.

[A]

A couple times he has like waited. But for the most part, he asks every question that we need to hear. He navigates the conversation successfully. He never, you know, doesn't ask the follow up question, the thing that we want to hear next. He knows how to like move these conversations along between like huge personalities. And he said last night he's done like 150 reunions. And like, that's really masterful.

[B]

I completely agree. It's interesting that not one other network, not one other person has been able to, to successfully been able to master the art of the reunion hosting. It's obviously very hard. He is the best. He's a generational talent, honestly. And of course he's not perfect. Monique V Candace. Of course. But I, I agree. And he doesn't get his flowers enough for that.

[A]

No. And clearly no one else can do it also requires like a lot of hours of watching the shows and some of them he probably doesn't like or doesn't care about. Not every single.

[B]

But he watches them.

[A]

But like he does it and he just like knows how to make a reunion. And I, like, yesterday must have been so grueling. But like I know for a fact, fact, we're getting what we need because he's at the helm.

[B]

I signed, I sat behind him on a flight once. It was a six hour flight. He watched episodes and I could tell it was screeners because it had like the clock on the left corner. He watched the entire time and in his books, which are like diaries of his days for like over the course of like a year he has, he's like watch 10 episodes today. He really does watch everything.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, he has to. There's no way to phone that in.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So just to say something nice about him. Don't get your weenie. Don't get used to it. I don't have a weenie.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Okay. I'm being positive, you know.

[B]

Well, that's our show. That's our week. Thank you all for a splendiferous week and we'll see you. Oh, somebody told me a better way to wrap up the show.

[A]

Okay,

[B]

well, the place looks beautiful. It always does. Thank you so much for listening to the Tossing Light. I want to show we deal with the fastest stories it needs to everybody Friday YouTube so watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as a podcast anywhere you can find your podcast, which is Spotify and Apple Podcasts. Head over there. Leave a five star review about a beautiful setting in wickedly townsended we are. Hope you guys have an amazing day and we'll see you tomorrow.

[A]

Love ya. Bye.

[B]

Spring just slid into your DMs. Grab that boho, look for that rooftop dinner, those sandals that can keep up with you, and hang some string lights to give your patio a glow up.

[A]

Spring's calling. Ross, work your magic.