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Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your host. It's your favorite show the Fast 5.
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Things you need to know.
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We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.
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They sound amazing.
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Good morning, millennials and welcome back to the Toast. Day two of having a garagey pygie, Grammy award winning intro theme song. Hey, Jax, how you doing?
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I'm doing good. And it's nice that it's day two of the theme song, but it's day three of the week. It feels like we're cheating the week a little bit because you would expect it to be a Tuesday, but then it is a wed nest day.
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That's so true.
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So life hack drop a new song on a Tuesday.
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Tuesday.
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We're so glad to see the reception from the song. Like everybody feels the way about it that we do know.
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Let me tell you how relieved I was. I don't know why, but I was just like, we're going to launch a song and everybody's going to hate it. Like, I feel like we've kind of been like in a hater era recently with the frames and people. Like, I just feel like every time we do something that I can feel like it was like not should have been this way. And I was like, I can't wait for them to say they didn't like the one we chose or that the production was bad and I didn't even see one negative comment. Like, I cannot believe how much people loved it so much.
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I saw one negative comment and she was aware. She was like, I see that I'm the only one who's thinking this, so I'm probably wrong.
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A self aware troll. I kind of love that.
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She wasn't even. Surely she was like, I. I don't even want to like give voice to what she was saying, but she was very much aware that she was the only one.
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Well, I'm so glad that people loved the song. Of course. Of course. You're telling me of course it was.
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A she Because 90. 98 of our audience is our listeners.
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98, like it's literally 99. I'm so glad everybody liked the song as much as we do and I'm so glad everybody's like excited to be listening to this thing every day before the show. But I did want to address like a little bit of the controversy around the song.
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Oh, okay, so there is controversy.
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Do you know this?
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Tell me and I'll let you know.
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You know, eagle eyed viewers were quick to point out the lyric change.
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Yes.
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The original song that Becca, who is the swirly.
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Who won your host.
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And when we got in the studio. No, never. When we got in the studio, we decided to change Jackson Turdy to Jackson Claude.
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Yeah, it's just more timeless.
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It's more timeless. Like it is my government name. And I think if you come to this show, you know, you're getting Jackson Claude and then you learn you're actually getting Jackson Turdi. It's a little bit inside baseball. It is. And I wanted the song to be for everyone, like new listeners, potential new listeners. And you know, as much as I think Turdi is here to stay, nicknames also do evolve. So to record it in. Make it like, you know, in.
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In the record books, it's Jackson Turtle. Or we just like keep re recording the song every time you change your name.
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It's an expensive venture, but I'm down.
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B
Yeah. No, but Jackson Claudder, the host of this show, we can riff off that all day long. But like when you come to this show, like, just know we're Jackson Clauden. Where your host.
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It's your favorite show. Oh, when I sing it to myself, like, and I was singing it all day yesterday, I get like really crazy by the end. We'll start a cheer a day off swirly. It's that toast. And then also I've added a couple of riffs. Tell me if you guys have also been doing this. I feel like it's the natural progression of the song. We'll start your day off Swirly. Twirly girly, Shirley nerdly, pearly, dirly. It's the toast. I could go on literally the whole Alphabet.
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It's the toes.
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Clink, clink. Oh. Where was that idea when we were in the studio?
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Like every great that we do, it will evolve in six months. Like maybe a rerecording maybe. Of course, people were asking for theme song 10 minute version, which we'll have to work with Becca on that.
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No, the clink is actually inspired and I just wanted to know like where that you're so the queen of coming in with like the best idea at the worst time.
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I know you're still mad about Bad Blood for the era.
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I am. I'm still mad about when you gave me an idea for the era store outfits with a by group of girls that like the day before I left for Nashville. So it's kind of becoming your thing.
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No, it's like I until it's like pressing and completely top of mind. Like I'm not thinking. But now this is how we do. Like, we are just like riffers.
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That's just how we do. What song is that?
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I don't know.
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Because when the sun set baby on the avenue. What song is that?
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I don't know. I was thinking this is how we do. Yeah. Chilling shade back then, so. And then we do it like that. This is how we do.
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So yesterday was just like a great day for women in music.
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Yes. However, we need to get the song on Spotify. Like, and I'm not.
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We're working on it.
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This is so important to me because I was playing it on repeat in my house. The kids love it. It's 30 seconds, though. So I literally was starting the podcast over, over, over, over. And I know other mamas out there, especially, like, if they want to bring their kids into, like, they want to educate their kids into the world of the Toast.
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It's a clean song. There's no explicit version.
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We need it on Spotify so that I can put it on repeat. 1.
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Okay. If there was an explicit version, though, how would it go? I think it would go like this. Good morning. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your host. It's your favorite show. The Fast 5 things you need to know. We'll start your day off Swirly say it's the.
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Let me tell you, I'm so glad that that's not a thing.
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Set up in the comments. Do you want me to release an explicit version for the adults?
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No, thank you.
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Listen, we do what the audience wants.
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So yeah, to a degree. But we have to be true to ourselves.
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Just sound off in the comments.
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We have to be true. Actually, the commenters popped off yesterday being really helpful for Toast playlist. So I just. Yes, of course. Right where you left.
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Right where you left to be.
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So I need to just add that.
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Just collected around my pinned up hair.
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What else did they say? There was like, one other song that was like, so obvious.
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Yeah. Was it also tailored?
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Probably.
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Let me look. Hold on.
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Probably. And then of course, there are songs like the Climb, but that's not what we don't like sing the. I mean, except for Chisno, but we don't like work lyrics of the climb into everyday life. Love this song.
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Okay. Oh, no, I'm looking for what people said. Yeah, it was right where you left me. Like, obvious.
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I'm having his baby. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah. It could be on, like, the extended playlist.
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You should wear this hat to the party tonight.
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Oh, dancing Through Life original.
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Oh, the Max and Ruby theme song.
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Of course. You should wear this hat to the party.
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Oh, and the AI song.
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Oh, I'm so glad.
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I'm so glad my travy made it to the big game.
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One step closer to dirty being my last name.
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So today's show is, like, so popping off for so many reasons. One, I'm feeling really good about the state of my bowels. I don't want to jinx it, but, like, I hated having to run off yesterday's episode. I hate when my body and my brain aren't in sync. Like, it's not the time for a poo. It's Dear toasters. Sorry to the dtq, the Dear toasters community that we didn't get that extra deer toasters.
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They got fed.
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But I owe you one. I owe you one. I own that. So that's exciting. Two, it's Wednesday, which just means it's hump day. Vibes are aplenty. And we have the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap, which we did miss last week because of.
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Because we decided to watch. What was it?
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Love is Blind.
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Oh, by the way, I've been doing my homework a little bit. Every night makes a big difference. And I am out of Honduras and I am in the big city, the twin cities, Minneapolis, St. Paul.
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So by Monday, when they release, I think, like, two new episodes on this Friday keep going. And then we should all be caught up on Monday.
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We should all be caught up. So that's very exciting. Progress has been made. And I watched the last two rehobe and there's a lot to recap, actually.
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I also watched the last two rehobos. So we have Beverly Hills recap, and then we have major news in the podcasting space. And I feel like we were just talking about this on the toast, and I'm so glad we did because now our listeners have, like, a lot of context. We kind of clued them into, like, an underground story before it launched.
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And, like, turned out where there was smoke, there was a big blaze in fire.
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Somebody called 911 shot a fire burning on the dance floor. So the big Ale Earl podcast drama is going to be a story today. And I just want to let you guys know, like, for my own curiosity, because this is news that, like, I find so interesting. But also, I know that, like, people want to know. I was, like, making calls yesterday, like, really trying to find out what happened. Like, I called a bunch of people, like, industry people. Like, I was really trying to get the tea and let Me say, like, there's limited tea there. So a lot of the stuff that you're seeing on social media, like, from just random people don't believe. Because I feel like I have good insight and I'll tell you everything I found out. But, like, these are two people who are extraordinarily private.
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Yes. But also at this point I can't remember what I know from, like social media, from, like, you know, public channels and what I know from private channels, which is good for everyone because I'm just going to share what I know.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I have some stuff to share, but I would be cautious. I saw so much stuff on TikTok Injection as well.
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Just being ladies in the industry.
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Exactly.
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Women in the know, women with a network.
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Yes.
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You don't just drop your biggest show. You don't.
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We're gonna talk about it. Is that our lead story? Did anything else happen yesterday?
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Of course it's our lead story. It's really like, everyone's really talking about it. Usually, like some podcast news. Like, we're more jazzed over than the people. But the people want to know the status of Licks versus Lex.
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Oh. And so we also need to talk about how we're going to talk about these two without getting confused. And I think we just go Earl Cooper. Like, we have to use last names.
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Can I go Licks? Lex?
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Like, no, because we actually need to be like. Like clear.
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But licks would be Alex with an eye. Alex. Alex.
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No, we get it. Like, but it's a little too.
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We'll see how it goes.
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And hold on, I just have to send an important text message. I'm on a fact finding mission about this particular story.
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Okay. Who are you texting?
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I can't say.
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Am I in the chat?
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I can't say that either. But wait, I had one more thing I wanted to say. Lex Licks. Lex Licks. And the other thing I wanted to say. I can't remember. It'll come back to me. My brain has been really bad recently. Like, it's so. It's one of my least favorite things about pregnancy. Not that I have any favorites. Not that I have any favorites.
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Like, the toast is Brain Camp. So get to work.
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The toast is Brain Camp.
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We said that like two weeks ago.
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Yeah, I actually do remember that. I'm not that dumb.
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Yeah, that would be really.
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Yeah, yeah, no, I remember. And then I also. I had the most amazing night last night. 1. Because I saw Shannon Ford's comedy show and it was fabulous. But to the place where she Held her comedy show, like, served food. And I got a cookie in a skillet.
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Yummo.
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Yeah. And it was so party. And the thing is, I just looked at the menu and I saw. I saw, like, cookie, skillet. I didn't see what type of ice cream. I just said, like, yeah, I'll have that. And it was dark in there because it was a comedy club.
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I hate not being able to see my food.
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I know. And now I hate it because I can't even tell you what I ate. I know.
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It was a chocolate chip cookie replicated.
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At home, but there was something different in the ice cream. I feel like it was cookies and cream ice cream with, like, bits of Oreo.
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It was at City Winery. Let's look up the City Winery menu, you guys.
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And let me tell you not to sound, like, so fat. It was so small. Like, it was so small. And Margaret and Ben, like, kept taking bites, and I'm like, can you scram the fuck out of here? It was so good. A cookie. I've never actually had a bad cookie in a skillet. Obviously, some are better than others. Pargi BJ's Brew House has an amazing cookie in a skillet. I feel like it's such a classic chain restaurant dessert menu item.
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No, I feel like when you put a cookie in a skillet, like, things are gonna go well for you in life.
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Yeah. Do you own any of the skillets that, like, you bake a cookie in.
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Like, a small skillet?
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It doesn't have to be small, like a person.
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Like a. The size of a cookie. It would be the size of a. I'm not gonna put it in my big Dutch oven.
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No, they do make ones in restaurants that are, like, obviously meant to share. So it's like, the size of a small piece.
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Cute. No, I don't think so. I think I have to go to the Lake Crusade outlet. You're right.
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I think you need to get on that for the next time I visit.
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Oh, my God. I would love to make you a cookie in a skillet.
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Did you find it?
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No, no. But I'm determined now. Hold on just a few. Menu, view menu. Okay, everyone, so we can all make it.
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It's a small dessert menu. And the others looked so good too, but I saw skillet.
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It's concert dining menu, not restaurant menu.
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Right, Concert. Yes.
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Oh, my God. Thank you for City Winery. Okay.
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I didn't know they had multiple menu items. Okay, go.
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I gotta go to dessert. Dark chocolate mousse. Jack's skillet cookie. Jack's okay. House made cookie milk ice cream and port ganache. That sounds like alcohol.
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There wasn't. Oh my God. No way. But there wasn't ganache. That's not what I ate. There was like Oreo in it.
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Pork ganache.
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Chunks of.
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Made from chocolate and cream. That sounds like you definitely have port ganache.
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Maybe there was pork ganache, but there was other stuff in there too. It was like a cookie crumble.
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Similar question. What the heck is ganache?
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What the heck is ganache?
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It's a glaze icing saucer filling for pastries made from chocolate and cream.
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A
You guys, it was so good. Like it made my whole night. It was such a fabulous night. So good to see Shannon, like not her being. I. And by the way, it was like the show started at 7:50, so 8:00. Like I'm deteriorating in the chair. Like breaking down. A bed is rubbing my back. I had to order a cookie skillet and a Diet Coke. Like I'm breaking down. Shannon's over here, like still in the throes of. She's out of her first trimester, but she's like still like nauseous and really at the thick of it. Doing a show in heels and a mew mew T shirt. Like I actually wanted to kill her. I'm like up in the balcony almost. I have to call an ambulance. Like I seriously, Taylor struck her. Like, are you okay? I was like, no. She's like, what's wrong? I'm like, I can't even explain it. Like I'm just not okay. It was just late for me. And Shannon's up there like looking like a model. You would never know she's pregnant. Leather pants, stilettos, a hair and a slick back pony. Really setting an unrealistic standard for women.
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It's important in life to not compare yourself to Shannon Ford because you will always come up short. Like waking up at 5:30am like on her own, taking down her Christmas tree hungover. Like you can't compare yourself to this girl.
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Okay? It's true. It's really true.
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So that's what I really love. But I love having Shannon's in this world to aspire to.
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No, I actually like, I. I don't aspire to that. Like I'm so tired I could like even my aspirations are exhausted, you know?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So she was great. She's going on like a 25 city tour and it's presented by Spritz. So there were Spritz everywhere. It's a real tnn Synergized event, and I highly recommend attending. It was also just, like, fabulous swirlies around, you know?
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Yeah. She's coming to Florida. She's doing a couple shows in the Sunshine State, so check it out.
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A
And I'm just, like, so excited for today's show. I can't explain it. Like, you know when you're feeling. You know, when you're feeling, like, good, you know?
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Yeah. That's the best feeling to feel good.
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A
I only. I only peed one time in the night, so, like, I'm ready.
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Oh, nothing's holding her back. I actually wanted to tell you something funny, because my husband played basketball last night and his intramural league, as husbands do, and he texted me. He was like. When it was, like, late, I guess he was on his way home. He's like, I got hit in the face. I'm bleeding. And he came home, and he really got hit in the face. He had, like, a scar in his eyebrow, but there was also a lot of blood. So, like, it was unclear what, like, where, what exactly.
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I like that he didn't wipe off the blood until he came to the house. Like, so you could see, like, the real depth. Yeah. Like, he's driving with, like, blood going into his eyeball. But he just wants you to see how hard I played. Now, was it, like, a contentious. Was it an accident? It started a fight.
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I wasn't sensing any beef. Like, I think he just got hit with the ball. I was not here. He didn't even, like, mention anyone like it. I don't think it went down in a bad way. Like, just classic. You know, things happen when you're playing intramural basketball.
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Yeah.
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With your friends.
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Yeah.
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It's a dangerous game.
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Well, we're wishing him a speedy recovery. Truly.
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He was like, you didn't ask how I'm doing. I was like, oh, I actually thought about how you're doing, but he wasn't in the room when I thought, that's.
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Even more, like, impactful.
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Yeah, no, I was, like, doing my makeup, and I'm like, my husband.
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You're, like, offering to cover up his big bruise. Does he have, like, a black eye? Well, how do. How do things look in the light of day?
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Just, like a scar in his eyebrow. Not bad.
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Oh, that's, like, so badass. An eyebrow scar. I feel like all the bad boys have, like, a little bald spot in.
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Their eyebrow from that time from a scar at basketball.
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Who am I thinking of? Charlie Puth has that. Miles Teller.
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Yeah.
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Because he was, like, in an accident. Growing up, it's a very chic, edgy, bold look. Like your boys will look up and be like, wow, my dad's a fuck.
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He goes hard in the pain in.
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The pain in his Jewish intramural local league.
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I'll tell him that.
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Is it a Jewish league or just a League of Jews?
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League of Jews. Like I don't think also good. Have to be Jewish. You just happen to be Jewish.
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Got it. Got it. Cool. Cool.
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B
So I guess now without further ado to do, to do it is time for the Fast 5 stories that you need to know.
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Oh my God, I'm like doing so many things. I forgot to put my phone on do not disturb this morning because I'm waiting for a particular bit of gossip that I might be able to share on the toast. And so like there's, I'm just, I'm doing a lot of things, so I'm not ready. Can you, can you say that one more time?
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B
Oh, okay. So now, now, right now, without further ado to you to do, it is time for the Fast 5 stories that you need to know.
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You timeless to me.
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Our first story. Meghan Markle.
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Good one.
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Our first story. Yesterday, Variety dropped an exclusive article saying that Alex Earl's Hot Mess podcast has been dropped by Al Alex Cooper's Unwell Network. So here's the deets from Variety as it dropped. And this feels like more of like a press release.
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Yes.
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And they had all the info and then everybody else is like, extrapolating from that. So Alex Earl's Hot Mess podcast has been dropped by Alex Cooper's Unwell Network. Sources say Sirius XM will also no longer sell ads for the show and that the Unwell Network has renounced all rights to Hot Mess so that Earl can freely explore future opportunities. The move comes amid growing chatter on social media and the toast of a feud between Cooper and Cooper, host of Call Her Daddy and Earl the party girl influencer with a massive TikTok following speculation of a rift grew when Earl skipped an Unwell super bowl party in New Orleans even though she was in town. And then this is me adding also, don't forget the Spencer Pratt stuff.
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A
Mm.
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B
In August 2023, as a reminder, Cooper announced that she was launching the Unwell Network and signed Earl to join the fold. So, like Unwell and Hot Mess, like, that was their first podcast, right?
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It was, it gave. We knew Alex was going to be launching a network and it was. She was announced with one other girl, but it was, it was huge. Alex, Earl. At the time, she still is. And so it really kind of, I feel like they built the rest of the network like on the initial talent of Madeline and Alex. Yes, yes.
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Their initial town signings included Pretty Lonesome with Madeline Argie, who alongside Cooper and Earl would, quote, develop a variety of multi platform concepts and product projects across such silos as pop culture, beauty, fashion and lifestyle.
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So I remember what I was going to say at the beginning of the show because I saw this all over social media and I was reading comment sections and like, literally, I could not roll my eyes hard enough at people being like, these are two separate people could have fooled me. Like, shut up. Like, I just, I want to say anybody who's saying that, like, I think you're dumb and annoying, okay? But I feel like this article confirms any sort of suspicions anybody had about these two having beef. Not because the shows are no Longer together. And we'll talk about why that might be. But because of the use of the word dropped, right? For a network that's very new. Unwell, like, trying to make, you know, stand out for you to drop, like, intentionally separate from your biggest talent, your biggest show, the most famous recognizable person on your network. Like, that's doesn't make sense. Right. Only if there's a reason, like a fight, a drama, a bad blood, would you drop someone.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So for me, I was like, oh, any suspicion I had because there have been theories online being like, listen, this was just like, not the right place for Alex Earl. And you know, Alex Cooper understands that, like, there's not beef. They're just two successful women, like, doing their best. And I feel like with this headline, it pretty. No, it's not that. Like, there's drama. Yeah.
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B
This headline is contentious. If they were just going their separate ways, they might have. They could have even done it quietly, where she's removed from unwell and they're not selling her ads and Earl goes somewhere else. And then we hear later on, like, Earl is with podcast one or two or whatever. Like, and that's what you would do if you wanted things to, like, remain peaceful. But considering they're already going their separate ways, I feel like this was, you know, one more kick in the butt, like, and your drop, because it makes hot mess look unsuccessful. Which, yes, I don't think it is. There are some, like, metrics that are public which, like her YouTube view. YouTube very high. I think it is the biggest show on the net, on the network. And that doesn't make sense why you would drop your biggest show.
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Well, so, yes, now we can talk about the success of the show, but it is relative, right? Because I think if you look at her YouTube numbers, they're pretty strong. I don't think a lot of people listen to the audio only version. But I think that's not a knock at Alex Earl. It's the generation, right? Like, young people are really not listening to podcasts. They love, like, to stream stuff and watch stuff on YouTube. So that's why her YouTube is so successful. And so I feel like, and I remember saying this, that I hate it. You know, you hate to be like a hater. But I remember when Alex Earl signed with Unwell. I remember, I think I said this on the toast, but I know, like, my personal feelings were like, I feel like this is the wrong move not because of Unwell, but because Alex shouldn't be doing a podcast. Right. Like, she's of A generation. She's the face of Gen Z. And Gen Z is not huge into podcasting. It's definitely like an older medium. I feel like millennials really are the biggest. But also because when you look at the success of it, YouTube. Right. That's where everyone's watching it. I don't see the show on the charts really. It launched and it was like, you know, number one or number two in comedy, but then it sort of disappeared because Everybody's watching on YouTube. So that. What does that tell us? Right? People want to watch Alix Earl. Whereas, like, podcasting is a listening medium. And what I see, because I follow her on all social media, I happen to think she's like, so fabulous. And I see her, she goes to the super bowl, she goes to F1, she goes to Kim Film Festival. She goes everywhere. And she is checking four huge suitcases of podcast equipment. She's like, vlogging, like, this is my podcast. She sets up a little studio in every hotel room she does to record a podcast episode. Just so people watch it, not so they listen to it. So I'm like, you are working so hard for what? Like, start a YouTube channel and vlog. You bring one camera. Like, you could literally not check four suitcases if you just like. I feel like the experiment of her being on Unwell, but just like having a podcast really probably taught her that she should be a vlogger. She is on Tick Tock, but I mean, like, if she wants to do long form content, she should be a YouTube vlogger more than she should be a podcaster. So I think that she should have left Unwell because she should have left the podcasting space.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But I do think it's deeper than that. Like, I don't think that's why she left. Maybe she. I don't know if she enjoyed being a podcaster.
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B
Well, she might still be a podcaster and she might still lug all that luggage because part of her YouTube channel will still be sitting on the couch talking, but recognizing that people aren't listening to it as much as they're watching it. But still you want to have all that production. So I don't know. She has the IP to her show, which was also interesting. But yeah, when I saw that, like, I feel like there's no way Alex Cooper could not have given her the IP after everything that happened with Call Her Daddy. That's exactly what Alex and Sophia wanted. And what Alex ultimately got was, like, the rights to her show and to her name and everything that she built so if she had withheld that from Alex Earl, I think that would just.
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It wouldn't have looked good.
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So bad. So clearly bad. So she parted ways with her, gave her the show because previously that's what she would have wanted.
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But also you have to think about, like, how Unwell needs to look at this. Like, everyone's watching, right? Seeing how these two go their separate ways. But Unwell is currently in the process of their business where they're growing, they're signing talent, they're signing pre existing shows. They just got that girl Avery's podcast. They're creating new shows with new talent like Grace. And so you want to be perceived as a network that, like, isn't good to work with. Right. We're trying to get everyone to side with us. So if you're over here stealing Alex Earl's ip, like, I don't know if that, like, makes you look good to potential podcasters who might side with you.
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B
Yeah, I know. I think that she had to give.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That up with. Especially with, like, the Call Her Daddy for sure of your.
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A
And so there's just so many layers to this. So now, like, talking about the actual drama between these two, there's a lot of rumors. What I have heard is that there is, like, definitely bad blood between them, and it has been going on for a really long time. And I think that it's when they. When they launched, like, you know, the Call Her Daddy episode of Alix Earl and Alix Earl's new show, it was like this big media thing. It was like, good for a couple of months, and it really hasn't been good since then. And a lot of it had to do with the episode of Call Her Daddy that Alex Earle was on and Alex Earl not being happy with some of the questions she was asked and actually had it having requested edits be made of things she didn't want to talk about and those edits not being honored, and then her dad coming on to manage her and her sister bringing, like, another level of protection. Because I do think a lot of the stuff that Alex. What I had heard, this is all alleged and, like, potentially untrue. What I had heard was that a lot of the stuff that Alex Earle wanted removed from that initial episode of Call Her Daddy had to do with her family. You know, she has a lot of family drama. Her dad had a very famous affair with Ashley Dupree, who was Elliot Spitzer, the governor of New York's. She was like this madam, and she had this, like, black book of clients and it was like this crazy thing. And the biggest one was the mayor of New York. Governor. Excuse me. Right. Elliot Spitzer. But it turns out one of the other men in the black book of like the wealthy men of the Tri State area was Alex, Earl's dad. They actually ended up getting married. So that's Alex. Yeah. She has a very interesting family story, but it's like not her story to tell. It's a little traumatic. And so I think that Alex and the family were very unhappy with how the Call Her Daddy episode came out. And they had requested some things be taken out and that wasn't honored. In addition to some of the questions about sexual. That Alex Erlich wasn't comfortable answering, but those were also included against her will that. So what I have heard was that it's kind of been bad from the beginning. And then there's like a lot of inter business drama, like behind the scenes, because these two girls for a while shared a publicist. Now the publicist no longer no longer works with Alex Cooper.
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B
And I think the publicist gets a lot of credit for bringing Earl.
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A
These two together.
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B
Bringing these two together. Yeah.
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A
Yeah. And so that's definitely suspicious. Like now you're only working with Alex Earle. It makes. It begs the question that she took.
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B
Aside because there was a side to take because there was drama.
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A
Right. Like, if we're just. If we're just extrapolating, interpolating.
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B
Like, it's definitely an interesting tidbit that could point to larger issues, but could also just be a coincidence. Like, not everyone works together forever. Like, either one of them could have moved on.
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A
Another reason that, like, I know that there's something like, bad between them is because you were just saying August 2023 is when they signed the unwell Alex Earl deal. It is. What month is it? February. So that means the contract was probably up. August 2025 was probably a two year deal.
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B
It's been a year and a half.
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It's been a year and a half. So that means that, like, they really couldn't even work together for the next four or five months just to save face and like, end this peacefully, like, finish out the terms of your contract. The fact that, like, they made it a year and a half out of two years. I had heard that the contract was up in the summer, and I think also it makes sense you would sign like a two year. That's how podcast contracts work. I don't know. A podcast contract that's really less than a year. And it's usually like one year Two year, three year deals. So you couldn't even like, finish out the last couple of months. It's so bad. There's something going on.
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B
Yeah, of course there's something going on. And then also the use of the word dropped like that is one final, like, middle finger to Alex because it makes her look unsuccessful. But that we know to be not true. So that's why it's even more nefarious.
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A
It's similar to like TNN dropping Josh Peck, like your biggest, most recognizable star who's actually doing a good job. Why?
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B
Yeah, unless we.
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A
Unless we had beef with Josh Peck.
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B
Right. And then you want to give him the finger on his way out the door.
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A
Correct. So I.
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And a way for like them to control the narrative a little bit. And who knows what Alex Earl will do if she'll say anything or if she's just happy to be gone and it's going to continue on her merry way.
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A
And it's interesting to note that when Tick Tock was like, dying, you know, the days leading up to the Tick Tock ban, Alex Earl launched a YouTube channel. So a separate channel. She has the Hot Mess channel, which has, I think like a pretty decent following. It's really hard to grow a YouTube channel, no matter how big your other platforms are, you know, so.
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B
But she also. So she does Hot mess with her sister mostly, and they like do remote episodes. Right.
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A
So in its second season, which just started a couple of months ago, it. The COVID art changed to both girls, but Alex still does some episodes by herself, like with Braxton and like her college friends. So I had thought that it was being rebranded to like the Earl Girl show, which I think it totally should have been.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But now it seems like like 6.
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B
Days ago still do that. I think that's been good for them.
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A
So I think she's still265,000 subscribers on the Hot Mess Subscribe YouTube channel, which is really good.
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B
Yeah, I think she's still gonna be.
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A
But Jackie, when you think about it, like her episodes, they do really well, right? Like between a hundred and two hundred, zero zero zero views on YouTube per episode video. That's really good. But if you watch like her vlogs on Tick Tock, like, this girl's used to getting like 5 million views every video.
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B
You can't compare a Tick Tock view to a YouTube video. Long form.
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A
Of course not. But all I'm saying is like, how much more work is this podcast episode for 200000 views as opposed to a vlog on your TikTok that you could also do long form on your YouTube. That's cheaper to produce and is going to yield better results.
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B
Yeah, but, like, you have to. If it's a podcast, looking at, like, say, 150,000 downloads per episode for a podcast is really strong in the podcasting world.
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A
In the podcasting world. All set to say that I think the lesson here, and I have felt this way from the beginning, is Alex Earl never should have, like, her next big thing in her career should have not been a podcast. It makes no sense. It's. It's definitely an old, older thing. It's not very Gen Z. It's for somebody who got so popular because everybody's obsessed with watching her, like, her looks, her fashion, her makeup, her glam, her friends, her parties. Like, you really? That doesn't translate on a podcast. Podcast is really conversational. And so it was just the wrong thing for her to do. Not that it was wrong to go to Unwell. There is a conversation to be had about, like, forking over a percentage of your ad sales to a network like Unwell, whereas you could go to any other network and you have a better rev share, but, like, you give up more money of your ad revenue to be supported by Unwell because you, like, there's so many benefits to that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So you could have the conversation about whether she should have gone to Unwell or not, But I think the conversation is like, I don't think she should have had a podcast ever.
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B
Yeah, well, that's like, in the hindsight. Hindsight is 20 20.
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A
Yeah.
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B
She'll still do. Continue doing a podcast.
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A
If I were her, I would not. It is too much work for too little reward. Because, look, she has now her own personal YouTube channel that she has promoted. I saw one time, 120,000 subscribers. So that's half the. The. The podcast channel does. But she literally launched it a month ago and has promoted it once, and she's done three videos. Like, if she just got into the groove of posting about her YouTube channel once a week, doing a vlog, like, of her life, the parties, Miami, the events, Braxton. Like, she would be a huge YouTuber, like, the biggest vlogger.
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B
Okay.
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A
And it's just. It's a. It's a lower lift, especially given how much she travels. Like, to travel with four suitcases of equipment. Like, all right. To do it one time for, like, the Super Bowl. Sure. Every time she goes somewhere, she went to Mykonos on this tiny little plane. I kept thinking, where's her Podcast equipment, like it's too much work for a gal on the go.
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B
Yeah. What's in the. In my opinion, the cameras.
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A
Like cameras, tripods, lights, micro. No, she has like a full blown setup.
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B
Yeah, but that's.
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A
And it looks great.
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B
That's because of the YouTube.
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A
Right. But you could also make a really premium YouTube video with like a Canon G7X which is the size of a coffee and like traveling Bluetooth microphones. Like, like seriously something you could keep in a laptop case. You can make really premium content.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Just saying.
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B
Yes.
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A
And I think that's more so what people want to see from her and less like conversations. Although there have been episodes of her podcast that people really loved. The one with her dad people really liked. Obviously the ones with Braxton people really like. So see, that just like points to people being interested in you. You know, podcasts are conversational. You interview people like, you talk about random things. They just like her. They want to see her, her life. Like kind of reality show vibes.
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B
Yeah, well, that could be next for them. I do feel like sometimes her content like is trending that way when she's like girls, like that's obviously the name of their show and I mean it's adorable. Yeah, it's. I don't know why it hasn't happened yet. That feels like a no brainer.
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A
Yeah. But the thing is, is like becoming a reality star these days does not yield even 5% as much money as being one of the world's biggest tick tockers. And it takes up all your time. Like Alex Earl is making so much money on the things that really take her the least amount of time, which is like short form content on YouTube. I mean, excuse me, on tick tock. So for her to then like, you know, do an hour long weekly podcast, like these things, I think reality TV show would be great for her fame wise. It would take up a lot of her time and you don't get paid like that much compared to the money she's making from like brand deal. She's launching a liquor company now.
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B
But think of like I'm thinking like D'Amelios on Hulu. How much you think they got paid by Hulu?
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A
Like average reality TV amounts like that. I think they did that for to align themselves with Hulu. I think it was a part of a big partnership because they were both on Dancing with the Stars when it's streamed on Hulu. And I also think that was like a fame thing because they were very Internet and I think that really gave Them, like a global. Like, people who, like your grandparents might have heard of it because they saw it on Hulu.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know.
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B
Yeah. So we'll see. What I do think I would say something about this and like, be like, here's my true.
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A
No. Because the interesting thing about Alex Earle is that she has had incredible success on social media without really doing, like, drama content. I think a lot of people, like, thrive off of views from, like, scandal and drama and friend breakups. Even that thing with Zandra she, like, barely spoke about. She referenced it once in a podcast episode. She never even said Zandra. It could have been anyone. Like, she actually does not do drama. Like, she likes to just, like, live her life and post about it. So it's actually really refreshing. And so I think someone else would, like, see this as an opportunity to, like, get views and clicks. I don't think she sees that way, like, she's had success without that. She doesn't need it. Yeah, that's what I think. But again, I'm just talking, like, out of my ass.
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B
Yeah. I think it's like, if nothing more happens, then it will stay quiet. But if another.
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A
But Alex Earl could be mad. The dropped. The dropped was a knife.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. So I think, I think she might be able to let that go and just, like, carry on because as you said, she doesn't like drama. But I don't know. I think if more. If more happens. This is like what we said about Brianna and Grace, remember? Like, if nothing more happens, they could be friends again.
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A
Right, Right.
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B
Oh, and then of course, speaking of Grace, Dave Portnoy chimed in. This was really funny because Dave Portnoy posted a tick tock of a screenshot of him having had a call with Alex Earl new cell phone number for 22 minutes. And then he was playing Circle of Life in the background and drinking.
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A
So people immediately, like, forgot all the history here. And we're like, dave is signing Alex Earl. No, he's not. He actually commented. I didn't even call her. It was a joke. Because when Brian, Brianna and Grace broke up and Grace left Barstool, like five minutes later, Alex Cooper posted a video of a screenshot of her phone call with Grace being like, I'm on it. So he was just copying. He said, but I didn't talk to her. Yeah, and Alex Earl would never go to Barstool. Like, that's a. It's. It's a unilateral move.
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B
Yeah, no, she wouldn't. But it was just a funny thing that he posted and Then it points it, like, is there drama between Dave and Alex Cooper?
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A
So that's what I want to talk about, because that's sort of one of the unanswered questions from all this. I feel like after the Grace thing, we never got confirmation because sometimes things have happened between Alex Cooper and Dave, and we're like, are these two still friends? And they're always like, yeah. Like, we see each other as business people. We're good. But after the Grace thing, I feel like there's actually beef.
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B
And then him making this video, it's like, you wouldn't do that to a friend.
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A
Yeah. And they usually, like. They usually let us know, like, we're good, but I feel like they're not.
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B
I don't know. It might just be like, a business rivalry.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, where it's like, well, we're not going to start stuff because it's like, it's not personal, but it's not like, we're best friends and I would trust you.
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A
Right. I do think, though, Unwell needs to replace Alex's star. You know, they have this big new deal with Sirius xm, and I think a part of that deal is, like, hitting these download benchmarks every month that Alex Cooper. Excuse me, Alex Earl was probably helping with. So they do need another big, big name there.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Which they wonder who it's gonna be.
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B
Already, like, in acquisition mode.
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A
So. Yeah, between, like, scooping up shows that are already successful and that already exist and then, like, creating new shows with new talent, which is what they did with Alex Earl. So I'll be very interested to watch this saga. It's fascinating.
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B
Yeah. And then they also had the other drama recently.
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A
Oh, yes.
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B
You know about it.
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A
Did I tell.
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B
Did you tell me a little bit about it? And then I saw, like, a transcript of what was said.
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A
So I was just talking about. One of the podcasts they acquired was this girl Avery, who's, like, a big tick tocker. She started a podcast and then Unwell acquired it. And so I guess to like, promote her new, you know, career on Unwell, she went on another Unwell podcast. Harry Jowsey, our favorite.
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B
Harry Joey, our fave.
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A
And they had a convo that people were really unhappy with. First of all, people were just like, Avery's thing is that she's like, a mom of three. She's married. She just, like, she has kind of an ordinary life, but she's made it, you know, extraordinary. And it's like, it's fun. I like. I like it.
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B
Funny mom content.
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A
Yes, exactly.
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B
Comedic Take comedic.
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A
Real moms being real, you know?
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B
Yeah. And funny.
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A
And so she's having this conversation with Harry Jowsey, and the pushback was twofold. The first was that, like, just the episode was inappropriate. Like, she was just, like, flirting with Harry, and she's married being like, harry, would you me? Like, I, like, don't worry. I had three C sections. My pussy's pristine. And people really didn't like that. Like, because. What are you implying? Like, women who go vaginally don't have pristine pussies. Like, it was. It was not good. She, like, pissed off moms, which. Yeah, is not a group you want to piss off. And then she also pissed off the Christian community because she was saying. And I got her point at first. She was making a point of being like, the people who leave the nastiest comments on my social media always have, like, a Bible verse in their.
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B
Yeah, that's like, people have been, like.
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A
People have said that. So that wasn't what people took umbrella.
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B
It's not like, a new thought.
- [42:31]
A
No. And it wasn't what people were offended by. She was basically saying, like, the hypocrisy of being a troll with a Bible verse in your. In your bio isn't lost on me. But then she took it a little far, being like. And please, like, if Jesus saw you, like, he would bend you over and you raw without a condom or something, and it was, like, holy.
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B
No, it, like, didn't stop here. I have the quote. Okay, yeah, but then I'm saying it.
- [42:53]
A
I know. And I just said it. And, like, don't clip that. I don't believe that. I love my Christian community, okay?
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B
Instead of Jesus, like, I'm just gonna say blank so that I can't take it out. Blank is going to spank you, lady. If you keep it up. He's gonna bend you over and your ass Blank is gonna go poop pirate on your ass if you keep up this. They deserve it. With no lube.
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A
With no lube. Right? That's what they say. And what is poop pirate? Do I even want to know?
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B
I. I think it's what you think. You know, I actually.
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A
I don't even have a thought. I don't know what that is.
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B
Like, I just.
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A
Urban dictionary.
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B
I have a thought so that. Tell me if I'm right.
- [43:30]
A
Like, I'll tell you if it's, like, an obvious, Like, I. I feel like.
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B
It'S, like, just the obvious progression of, like, what she's saying.
- [43:35]
A
Okay. It's literally not on it's like, not coming up on Urban Dictionary.
- [43:39]
B
Oh, maybe it's an original term.
- [43:42]
A
Okay, we found it. No, it says a poop pirate is a person who lurks outside restrooms and waits for you to leave so they can rush in and sniff the toilet seat. That's not what I was thinking.
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B
I don't know if that's what she meant. But anyway, so this is actually a very big controversy. Like, I have been seeing it a lot, and I did. I'm. She's very much like a tick tock person, and I am not.
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A
And then she released a video because, like, it was becoming too big to ignore.
- [44:08]
B
And.
- [44:09]
A
And she was like. The whole podcast was scripted. She was actually, like, a really bad. She didn't clear anything up for me.
- [44:14]
B
Got it. So they just came out of that one now into this one. But.
- [44:19]
A
Right.
- [44:19]
B
But that's on just. And being on the Internet.
- [44:22]
A
And to be honest, like, that's the sign of a healthy business in this industry. Like, if you're not being talked about positively or negatively, like, you're nobody. So it's like a tough part of the business, but it is, like, a sign of life.
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B
Yeah. So now this. We'll see what happens next.
- [44:40]
A
Yeah.
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B
Are you ready for our next story? Travis Kellis is making news in two parts. One, he's saying how he listens to Taylor Swift's music when he's depressed. He said she has something for every mood. So him and Jace Face got a little emo on the pod, talking about what kind of music they like to listen to when they're down in the dump. So Travis had said that he listens to Taylor songs when he's depressed because she has something for everything. And Jason agreed that no matter what mood you're in, you can find some Taylor music to relate to. Then he said, it's true.
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A
It's a universal truth.
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B
And then Jason said that he prefers sad country when he's feeling down. He said, no matter how bad I'm feeling, there's a country guy who was singing about it and feeling way worse for me. And that gives me joy.
- [45:28]
A
Stop. They're such, like, girls. I love the way they talk about this. Also, I was on. I'm on, like, the really, like, truly ill side of social media where people were freaking out about this episode because he wasn't in his studio. Travis. And, like, people have been speculating for a couple of weeks that him and Taylor are on vacation because they haven't been spotted. And it's like him recording a podcast. It Was just like a couch. It was like, totally a hotel villa or something. Kind of confirms, like, they're on vacation. Like, who?
- [45:51]
B
So they're on vacation. Like, his work just ended. Her work just ended there.
- [45:54]
A
It's called, like, when your vacation dates a line. Like, it wasn't. But like, everybody's like, they're on vacation.
- [45:59]
B
Presidents week.
- [46:01]
A
Yeah, Off. So I guess this confirmed that for them.
- [46:05]
B
And then also, the chief's GM reveals that Travis was battling a pretty big illness ahead of the super bowl loss. So he didn't say what it was. He said, we're never going to make excuses and talk about it. But I mean, yeah, he was battling with a pretty big illness there before the Super Bowl. He said it probably, like, considering the way that the Eagles played, it wouldn't have made a difference how he was feeling. But that, yeah, he was sick. He didn't share the diagnosis. But to me, like, what comes to mind is, like, I was sick for the super bowl too, and I felt really, really bad. And maybe Travi felt maybe he had the flu. Covid long flu as well.
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A
And I want to say, I know he's one of the greats, but Michael Jordan, like, really ruined this excuse for other people because he, like, famously won the NBA championships with, like, the flu. And he was like. He had like, 105 fever. He's, like, vomiting and on the sidelines, and he played like, the greatest game of his life. And it's like one of these f. Famous sports hero stories. And, like, so if Michael Jordan can do it, why can't Travis? You know, even though being sick is, like, such a valid excuse, normalize, like, not being able to do your best.
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B
No. And like, in this day and age, like, if you play sick and you're like, contagious with other people, like, you're canceled. And I actually think it's no longer admirable. No, it's like, you seriously could lose everything. I actually think Travis probably had Covid and that's why he won't say what it is. Because for years, you super spread football. If you hadn't been excited, exposed to someone who had it so to take a positive test and then, like, go sweat on everybody.
- [47:29]
A
I love this theory. I love this theory. He totally. The super bowl was a super spreader event.
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B
100 and now he's detoxing on in a warm destination because that's, like, good for his sinuses because he had Covid. And maybe he has long sun too.
- [47:44]
A
The sun is so good for his. For those types of Symptoms correct.
- [47:49]
B
The oceans aren't closed anymore.
- [47:51]
A
And also vitamin T. Vitamin lured. Vitamin lured. Which is so good for the sinuses. It is.
- [47:59]
B
It's good for the soul. You got to heal.
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A
See, you love to see, like, two grown men who are, like, from the sports world rub some dirt in it, talking about, like, music and emotions. It's beautiful.
- [48:11]
B
Yeah. Travis said he listens to music that is very telling of his mood. Okay, we need him to go public.
- [48:17]
A
Sounds like a children's book.
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B
Go public on Spotify.
- [48:20]
A
Yeah. Prove it.
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B
Prove it.
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A
And I just want to say, like, Travis, you could listen to music that's not Taylor's. I feel like. I feel like he does listen to Travis's. Taylor's music, but he, like, says, like, oh, yeah, I only listen to Taylor. Like, what else do you listen to? It's okay to, like, listen to a bunch of different things. Not only your girlfriends.
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B
I think he really likes lmfao.
- [48:38]
A
Are you joking or.
- [48:39]
B
No, I'm serious. That's something that I got from watching Catching Kelsey. He, like, had them at a party, and everyone was, like, so excited. Like, party rock. Those were, like, his guys. Like, I think that's his favorite kind of music. Party rock. And Got it.
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A
Got it.
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B
And that tracks.
- [48:54]
A
That's beautiful.
- [48:55]
B
But not when he's feeling sad. Do they have any ballads?
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A
Sorry for Body Wrecking.
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B
So that one. Sorry for the rock.
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A
I love it.
- [49:09]
B
He also said, the only way you can find yourself in the light is. Is to find yourself in the dark first.
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A
An unfortunate truth.
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B
I'm trying to think about that. I feel like it's easier to find yourself in the light.
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A
Well, you're speaking from your own point of privilege.
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B
Yes, I'm speaking from, like, just practically speaking, like, it's easier to find oneself in the light.
- [49:34]
A
Oh, I think he wasn't speaking in a physical sense. I think it was speaking in a spiritual sense. But, yes, if I'm looking for something and the light is on, it's obviously way more helpful.
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B
But I understand what Travis means. He probably saw that Michael Phelps commercial, too.
- [49:50]
A
Yeah, no, Travis is, like, reading off a quote card from, like, brainyquotes.com but.
- [49:53]
B
It'S, like, one that was, like, botched.
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A
Like, left on the cutting room floor.
- [49:58]
B
No, it's just, like, they, like, mistyped. They. They typed it wrong. But I understand what you mean. Travy.
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A
And I'm so glad he made it to the big game.
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B
I'm so glad my Travy made it to the big game. Even though he Had Covid and he played like ours.
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A
He played real lame.
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B
Oh, that's good.
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A
One of my favorite fun facts is that the name Claudia is actually a Latin translation of the word lame, which. Oh, you don't.
- [50:31]
B
No, I'm googling it.
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A
I've always known that to be true. And actually, one of Ben's parents friends just gave me a gift, like the book of a Thousand Names. It was really sweet. And of course, you know, the first thing you do is, like, look up your own name, and the definition is lame.
- [50:43]
B
In English, Claudia is a girl's name that means lame or enclosure. It comes from the Latin word claudis, which means lame or crippled.
- [50:55]
A
I told you. And I do feel like lame and enclosure. Like, that's me. Like, I'm always in some sort of enclosure, whether it's, like, my bed.
- [51:03]
B
That's so funny. That's like, those videos of, like, here are words that would be beautiful names, except for what they mean. Like, mean syphilis. That would. Gallbladder. A beautiful name. Yeah, if it didn't mean disease.
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A
It's. It's really unfortunate.
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B
I don't know if gallbladder would be a beautiful name. I saw one that was like, oatmeal.
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A
No, that's not good. That's not good.
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B
Oh, my gosh. Funny. Okay, lame. It's Jackson Lehman. We're your host. What does Jackie mean?
- [51:38]
A
What story number are we on?
- [51:40]
B
Who knows?
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A
I know.
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B
I'm just Claudia, if you have to ask, then you know. Did you see that?
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A
Oh, three.
- [51:48]
B
I sent Claudia a funny comment, which is apparently every day she says what's.
- [51:52]
A
Well, and some days we move at such crazy pace. Like, I can't believe we're only on the third story and we're already at an hour. Like, do you know what I mean?
- [51:58]
B
Are we at an hour?
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A
Yeah, and that's why I'm like, you're dilly dallying so hard.
- [52:02]
B
Get to the story Jackie comes from, meaning God is gracious, holder of the heel and supplant.
- [52:09]
A
That's so wrong. I need to talk to our parents. Like, that is so wrong. Lame and holder of the universe. What was it?
- [52:16]
B
It's Jackson Holder for your.
- [52:19]
A
Like, it's so wrong.
- [52:21]
B
Okay, I'll go to the next story. And you know what? I might skip over one story. Okay. Will that make it.
- [52:26]
A
Well, that was the second day in a row that we only did four stories. And I feel like the show did.
- [52:30]
B
Not suffer, like, two or three with unwell, because we did, like, unwell that we Did Avery. And we did date Grace.
- [52:35]
A
It's so true.
- [52:35]
B
And Claudia says we're at an hour. But our next story is. It's like, some tragically beautiful news, actually. Jesus Guerrero's family is thanking Kylie Jenner for covering the hairstylist's funeral expenses and plan to honor him the best way that they can. So, first of all, I want to correct. Because we were saying his name wrong the other day, and it's Jesus, not Jesus. No, you literally said it right back to me. I thought you were gonna call because.
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A
You said it first.
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B
Oh, but then.
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A
But I assumed that you had knew something I didn't know.
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B
Okay, but you didn't know it any more than I.
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A
You're the leader.
- [53:04]
B
You are, like, you're always correcting me. You're always.
- [53:07]
A
I wouldn't dream of it. I wouldn't dream of ever correcting you.
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B
Of how I say things. But anyways, not only is she covering his funeral cost, she put out, like, a really beautiful tribute yesterday. And I think that they were even closer than people expected them to be. Like, he's been with her for a very long time. And I think one of her kids friends, she shared videos and photos of them traveling and in her home, like, not just working together, but just, like, living together. And she shared how, like, he was a light who got her through so many dark times. So I think she's really grieving. I also know she wasn't at the SAG Awards with. With Timmy on Sunday, I think, because this was all very fresh. Like, I think that's. I think she would have been there otherwise.
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A
Yeah, no, because they've been together at most award shows. And, like, last week, I actually was just looking at pictures. Timothy hosted a Cartier event. It was like a poker party. And Kylie, like, I just saw they had a bunch of, like, film photos developed. And Kylie's, like, there at Chateau Marmont, like, playing poker with Cartier. So, yes, they're, like, very much supportive of one another, especially when it comes to award seasons. And Kylie's definitely going through it right now. And her paying for the funeral costs is, like. I don't know why people, like, act surprised. Like, she's actually very generous, and this is, like, no skin off her back. I'm sure she's doing more than that, like, setting his family up with stuff. So she's a queen. This is such a sad story. And so many more tributes have been rolling. And actually was just reading a really beautiful one this morning from Shay Mitchell, who was. Worked with him for many years. And it seems like he was really like good with kids too, because so many of the things that I've seen is like pictures of him and everybody's kids.
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B
Yeah, that's really, it's really sad. It is really sad. But they had a GoFundMe set up for his funeral costs and then she covered the whole thing. So they said like, like the other, the money that was raised previously will go towards costs associated with securing his belongings, home and other unexpected expenses to settle his ass.
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A
Yeah.
- [54:46]
B
So that just like makes this really difficult time a little bit easier for his family, which is very kind.
- [54:51]
A
And I did see the GoFundMe and like, I, I wanted to see like what celebrities had donated because you can like look by like the most, you could sort the donator like the amount, the, the donations by amounts. And so many celebrities like donating between like 1 and $5,000. A bunch of anonymous people in there with like 10k. So like I don't know who that was, but it seems like this was like a person who, who a lot of people worked with but also really loved.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
So it's a really sad story.
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B
Very sad. Our what's gonna be our fifth and final story is a little more Hollywood news.
- [55:22]
A
Oh, two Hollywood big tycoons like ourselves talking about our fellow Hollywood big tycoons.
- [55:27]
B
Exactly.
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A
And is it brought to you by Squarespace?
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B
It is.
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A
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B
So everything Final story has actually been a last minute swap for some breaking news.
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A
Oh fuck. I love breaking news.
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B
Real housewife Karen Huger gets a far longer prison sentence than she expected for her dui. She has been sentenced to two years in jail with one year suspended over her DUI conviction. Hugo arrived in court on Wednesday with her husband Ray to learn her fate following her convictions for several driving under the influence offenses after she crashed her Maserati in Maryland in March 2024. Prosecutors had asked for the Bravo star to serve six months in jail, but the judge gave her the highest possible sentence as it was not her first dui.
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A
It wasn't.
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B
Huger's lawyers asked the judge to go soft on her, arguing she was grieving her parents death and struggling with antidepressants. They said Mrs. Ms. Huger's mother died on Thanksgiving morning in 2017 from kidney failure and sepsis. Her father died seven months later on June 18 from the complications of Alzheimer's and a broken heart. Those two losses in quick succession were for Ms. Huger, personally devastating and in her opinion may have been the straws that broke her back, arguably leading to several errors in judgment. However, she was found guilty of driving at a speed too high for the conditions before she ultimately struck a median and two signs. Now she has been sentenced with two years in prison.
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A
I had no idea that like jail time was even on the table for Karen Huger. And I don't know if I necessarily knew that you could go to jail for a DUI. Every time I think of like celebrities with DUIs, like, it's like slap on the wrist, community service, paying a fine, Justin Timberlake, I need to make that cringe video.
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B
It's very different if it's your first versus your second.
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A
And also every state has different laws. But like I just didn't know that this was even an option.
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B
Well, and also some people get a DUI and they go to jail for a few days or a week, like right. Khloe Kardashian, Chloe, Paris Hilton era. But again, different for your first versus your second. And I just want to get clarity because they said two years in jail with one year suspended. Does that mean net. Net one year in jail?
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A
Yeah, that's what it sounds like. But I'm sure I don't know what the hell that means. I'm shocked. I'm also so conflicted. You know how I feel about DUIs punish them to the highest extent of the law. It's seriously the dumbest, most dangerous, selfish, disgusting thing you could do. But Karen Huger is my queen. And I know she's better than this, and I know she has a good heart, but she did that. So I don't know. I'm really confused.
- [60:43]
B
Yeah. No. And she had been arrested I think in like 2006 for drunk driving. Like, they like, it strikes established a pattern really matter. That is not something you could do once, let alone more than once. And now she's serving up to a year in jail. I guess it definitely seems harsh, especially because the prosecution was only going for six months and, and like that.
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A
Right. Like the judge said, hold my beer, Nep.
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B
Like you really can kill someone. And she crashed. It's not like she just was pulled over. They noticed she was being weird. Like, she literally crashed. And that could have been a person. And then, oh, my God. I don't know what the law is in that state, but a lifetime in jail.
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A
So this is the third housewife to go to prison. Teresa, Jen Shaw. Have there been any others? Like, Luanne's been arrested, but she didn't go to jail. And Luanne was just being drunk and disorderly. Like, she was drunk at a hotel and then like slapped a cop, which is terrible, but different than a dui. So I understand why the. It's also crazy because, like, I feel like they're. I just, I, I, I almost wish I didn't get this news breaking because I need time to digest it. Like, I'm feeling, you know, this is so personal to me. DUIs, but also Karen Huger. It's not very grand dame of her. It's.
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B
No, this is really shocking. The, the length, the extent. Yeah. Especially because she's like an older woman. I don't know. It's just like really sad.
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A
But I guess it not being your first, like, makes a huge difference with all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's. She's got a rap sheet.
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B
Yeah. So we'll see what happens there now. Speaking of bravo, time for a real.
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A
I don't know how to transition. Like, I'm serious. I can't get over this.
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B
I know. Not expected at all.
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A
I also can't see her in jail. I can't picture it. Teresa. I could picture Jen Shaw. I could picture, like, these are tough broads.
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B
No, Karen is so tough. Karen is so tough.
- [62:37]
A
She is. But she's a fragile old woman.
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B
That's true.
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A
She's a 60 year old also.
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B
Like, maybe as they shared and it probably hasn't been the same since. That's really traumatizing. But it doesn't mean you can get behind the wheel of drunk and, like, on pills.
- [62:52]
A
My God. Okay. Real housewives of Beverly Hills. I just need to, like, quickly shift my mindset.
- [62:58]
B
Caviar Caspian, 4th of July party. Caviar Caspia. Like, seriously, bring me a fucking baked potato with caviar right now.
- [63:04]
A
Yeah. The 4th of July party, like, had so much potential to be a fun afternoon because it just looked parody. Like, she made it really nice, and it was destroyed, and it seemed like.
- [63:12]
B
Nobody wanted to be there already.
- [63:14]
A
Yeah. And they were looking for excuse.
- [63:16]
B
The first three people who came were, like, the people that we hate to read club. So the vibes are off from the start. But then everyone's, like, complaining that it's hot. Like, it's 4th of July in California. Of course it's hot. Like, can everyone cheer up? This is a beautiful party. Look at that spread. Look at that hot dog cart.
- [63:31]
A
The hot dog. When it comes to Dorit and Sutton, I'm, like, so fiercely team Dorit with the events at the July 4 thing. Like, Dorit wasn't helping herself. Like, for the first time, I didn't find her, like, 100, like, defensible. Like, she was being, like, a shitster. Like, starting stuff. But she hates Sutton. So, like, I get that when you hate someone, like, you start stuff.
- [63:47]
B
Yeah. But, like, when you hate someone and you guys. Guys have beef, like, no, you cannot make a joke. Like, of course everything's gonna be taken out of context. But I actually. And in that moment, of course, like, Dorit was wrong, and then Sutton was wronger.
- [63:57]
A
Yep.
- [63:58]
B
But then when she was explaining at Caviar Crosby, like, she was like, if you just said to me, like, dorit, that upsets me. Don't say that. Like, it just. It would have changed, like, sudden. Didn't have to react like that. But it's really hard in the moment. Like, temp. And Sutton was already on one. She came. She didn't want to be there. She waited. She didn't want to be there. The thing with the Birkin was very awkward. She didn't want to be there. And then the comment about the alcohol and she didn't want to be there. But Sutton also acting like Dorit's the only one who ever commented about Sutton's alcohol consumption. And then I love that they flashback to, like, everything that was said about it. And, like, the thing is, I think Sutton drinks a lot, but I don't think she has a problem. Like there are plenty.
- [64:33]
A
I agree.
- [64:34]
B
Like that.
- [64:35]
A
Yep.
- [64:35]
B
So.
- [64:36]
A
But the thing is, I now no longer care about like who was right, who was wrong about like the July 4th stuff because the caviar Caspia wallet conversation was so crazy. And somebody I saw on Twitter pulled a tweet. I had forgotten about this moment where at a reunion this came up just like, about her being very like hoity toity about money. And somebody asked Crystal, like, do you think Sutton Strack like wields her money as a weapon and like uses it to make herself feel secure? And Crystal was like, no, but that's because I have more money than her when she, when she was asking if it was directly about her. And so it's true where she sees like a lack of money because Dorit's money is very curious. Right. She sees that as a weakness. And so I, I mean I, I understand that she's proud of how far she's come in this life, but like it's really crazy.
- [65:22]
B
Yeah. Also it seems like after July 4th, Sutton has been completely activated to become like the worst possible version of herself. Version take down Doreen at all costs and she's gonna dig in on the fact that duration Dorit doesn't have a lot of money, which is like a really weird thing to do and not something that's probably going to play well with the Bravo audience.
- [65:39]
A
With the audience.
- [65:39]
B
I was looking on Twitter and people are like, yeah, like, it's like they're here.
- [65:44]
A
Well, people have wanted Dorit's financial like situation to be brought up for a couple of years because there have been big stories that have largely been ignored, like his gambling debts, the tax stuff, the lawyer.
- [65:54]
B
They pay their rent, they pay their mortgage, they pay their taxes. Their still in the house. Like until something happens. I have to move on from it. It's, she has new clothes, she has boxes everywhere. Everything she's wearing is this season. She's got far fetched receipts in the house. Like, I'm sorry, there's nothing there at the moment. I think when they get at the moment things will come to light. But as of right now, like it's, it's, there's nothing. So but for her to decide, like, I'm going after Doreen, I'm going to make it about money was like seriously the worst idea strategy. She completely lost everyone, like all of the women that's just like. And, and she's calling her in her confessional poor read.
- [66:30]
A
Like, and the women in this particular group actually do not like, to talk.
- [66:34]
B
About money like, you are on the wokest network. Like, what do you think? You think this is a slay?
- [66:41]
A
Yeah. No. And this is, like, one thing the women and they all, like, even though they all want everybody's drama to be brought to the forefront, they never talk about Dorit's money stuff. Like, money is something. It's like in Beverly hills with this particular group of women, they don't talk about it like it's day class A. It's somewhere they don't go. So it really took. It immediately separated everyone from dorit. Everybody took a step back.
- [67:01]
B
Talking about money is day class A. And I think the more money you have, the less you want to talk about it. Like, someone like Sutton, who's obviously from money married money, just has money pouring out of her purses and her wallets. Like, is the last person who should talk about money because she is so much higher.
- [67:17]
A
So what is she saying? Like, her and Dorit aren't on the same level and they shouldn't even fight.
- [67:22]
B
With her because she has more money. Like, what is your money even? Like. Like, not only is that an awful thing to say, but, like, practically speaking, why can't you fight with someone who has more money than. What are you going to do to her?
- [67:31]
A
It's. Yeah, it's not a good argument. And Jennifer Tilly, who is really growing on me, she was being really funny this episode when talking about caviar really growing on me.
- [67:38]
B
And I loved all the tidbits about the caviar. Like, I seriously loved.
- [67:42]
A
She talks like a poor person, you know? Like, she's like, when you go to caviar, Casper in Paris, you're usually hoping somebody else picks up the bill. And she is so funny. She's like, and I would eat all the caviar except it's too expensive.
- [67:52]
B
Like, she was no, Like, I don't know what's the best kind? I ordered the most expensive one. I don't know if that's facts.
- [67:58]
A
Facts.
- [67:58]
B
Meanwhile, she was being really cute, right? And it was like, a really great display of, like, two women who have wealth, so much wealth, Jennifer and Sutton. And then, like, Sutton is being such a snob about the caviar, saying how, like, Dorit can eat salmon roe. Like, I know it's, like, stupid, but it's so classist. Like, we're not. We don't talk like that. That's not how, like, civilized people talk to each other. So, like, I think she completely buried herself with that and that she says in her Commercial. I'm proud I said it. I would say it again two more times. Three. Like, it's seriously crazy. And whatever. If Dorit was ever wrong, which, you know, to me, she never was. Certainly not now.
- [68:39]
A
No, she was. She was never wrong. But with the July 4th thing in particular, like, Sutton had a little bit of a leg to stand on. Like, stop starting.
- [68:46]
B
But then at the table, she was like. Like, when Dirty was like, apologize. When Garcelle was like, apologized to her. And she apologized. Didn't feel that genuine. But then she was like, no, if I hurt your feelings, I offended you. Like, I am sorry. I just would have. Wish you would have told me that that upset you. And then think of all the things that Dorit could say to Sutton and she doesn't, you know.
- [69:02]
A
Yeah.
- [69:03]
B
She said in her confessional, all your money's gotten you is a horse and not a date. But she doesn't go there. She does. She has not got sunk very low. What? To make a comment about her alcohol. They all drink dirty has a drink in her hand in every episode.
- [69:14]
A
No, it's so true. But she sort of opened the door now to talk about, oh, we're going low. Okay, let's talk about the fact that you've literally have not earned a single dollar that you have. You were born to it, and you married it. Like, okay, so why does that make you better than me?
- [69:26]
B
And by the way, there, I feel like there's even, like, meaner things that you could say.
- [69:30]
A
What are you thinking of? I feel like you're thinking of something. I'll tell you.
- [69:34]
B
Like, not something, like, specific. Not something like an event or anything like that.
- [69:39]
A
I don't know what you're referring to. Like, this big, obvious thing.
- [69:42]
B
Okay, we'll talk offline. But anyways, I just feel like I don't. How do you even answer to that at the reunion while also having said in your confessional months later, Like, I completely stand by that.
- [69:53]
A
Right.
- [69:53]
B
But then I was also confused because the fans on Twitter, like, are on Sutton's side with that. And they're like.
- [69:58]
A
They are?
- [69:58]
B
Yeah. They're like, it's giving. Like, Nene leaks. I'm rich. That's not what it was. It wasn't a self. It wasn't an important, an empowering thing about oneself. It was putting someone else down.
- [70:10]
A
Yeah. And Nene was being pushed into a corner. Like, there she was. They were doubting her success. She said, I cash Trump checks. I am rich. First of all, don't even compare yourself to the great Nene leaks like you can.
- [70:22]
B
Right. And Sutton wasn't saying, I'm an amazing wealthy woman. Because if she wants to congratulate herself all day long, go ahead.
- [70:30]
A
He's a self made woman. That's why she could say like that.
- [70:33]
B
But it's also. Then she didn't turn around and call someone poor.
- [70:37]
A
Right, Right. She was just defending herself.
- [70:39]
B
Yeah. So if Sudden wants to talk about how much money she has, but not in relation to, like, what other people do or don't have. Okay, fine. It's about poor re.
- [70:48]
A
Yeah. Yes.
- [70:49]
B
When I heard her say pouring, I watched with subtitles. Otherwise I might have missed it.
- [70:52]
A
God, I missed it.
- [70:54]
B
I texted you. I said, poor Reed.
- [70:56]
A
And I said, did you just make that up or did somebody say that? You're like, no, Sutton said it in her confessional. I was like, oh, I totally miss that.
- [71:02]
B
So she's going all in on this. Meanwhile, Dorit is going all in on her confessionals about Sutton. When she was like, she. You could tell. It's like, all activated. Everything's off. Because she was like, I mean, I don't know why Sutton would have such an issue with me making a joke about her drinking. Unless there's something really dark and sinister there. And it's like, oh, and there's not. No, I know, but there's not. Just.
- [71:22]
A
But now. Now we can say whatever we want.
- [71:25]
B
Now we can say whatever.
- [71:26]
A
Like, we're just saying crazy things.
- [71:27]
B
Also, Faye Resnick with the icebreaker, by the way.
- [71:30]
A
Faye wrestling was looking very pargy, and.
- [71:32]
B
She was really adding a lot to the conversation in the sense of jovial jests and ice breaking.
- [71:38]
A
And Kathy's down made an appearance in two episodes back to back after being gone for most of the season. And she's giving us nothing.
- [71:43]
B
No, Kathy, she got paid because, like, even though I love Bose, but, like, Bo's sitting at Kathy's house being like, Kyle's cold and, like, I don't get her and I don't like her, and Kathy's like, yummy. Like, yeah, that's so crazy. That's your sister. Like, don't let somebody say something.
- [71:57]
A
I want to say something about Bose, who I have loved and I still do. I. But, like, from the moment I met her, I haven't had a negative thing to say about her. And now after a couple of weeks, I have a negative thing to say. Being a first season housewife and coming on with a story like, I want to get pregnant. Even though, like, we know you're not. Like, it's just a storyline. It's really unacceptable behavior. Like, it's unacceptable behavior. It's such a trope, you know? Like, remember when that one season Melissa Gorgo was like, I'm going to get pregnant. We're like, no, you're not. Like, it's really. It's bottom of the barrel when. When you're not going to do it. It's bottom of the barrel. I can't stand it. And also, thank you for reminding me the most dreadful 10 minutes of my life was that scene with Kyle and her life coach. Like, how that passed.
- [72:36]
B
Got a pass, went to the bathroom, took my magnesium for the evening, how that passed the bechtel test, turned on the heated blanket for him. I don't know what was said. And by the way, I missed his subtitle of who his name is. So I had no idea who that person on her life coach. I didn't know that. I thought, like, like, I don't know, man. I don't know.
- [72:56]
A
I am filing a class action lawsuit to Bravo. If you'd like to join, send me a message. It was positively dreadful. Although she did say one thing.
- [73:06]
B
I fed my starter.
- [73:09]
A
Right. She did say one thing that made me, like, feel for her because I feel like when we talk about divorce, we always talk about how, like, you know, the woman gets the house and she should. But Kyle's like, I almost wish I didn't. Because he gets to go have this fun new life in a new apartment, and I'm left here in this house that everybody used to be at. And because it's also timing up with, like, all of her kids being out of the house. She's, like, so aware of everything she's lost while all he sees is this new, exciting life. I was like, that actually does suck. Even though you would think, like, you should get the house. The house kind of is like a curse.
- [73:37]
B
Yeah. No. She's stuck with all the memories and all the tethers and the anchors, and he just gets, like, pick out party furniture and apology.
- [73:43]
A
Right.
- [73:44]
B
But also because their kids are out of the house, she does, like, dorit should get her house. Her kids need her house.
- [73:49]
A
Yeah.
- [73:49]
B
Might wind up in an apartment. And that's not. That would be sad. It just really depends when you have.
- [73:54]
A
Young kids, like, to keep some sense of stability. Like, the mother keeps the house. Like, it makes sense. But with Kyle's kids being grown, I'm like, oh, that does sound, like, kind of miserable and lonely.
- [74:02]
B
Yeah. And like, they just. They moved in a few years ago, but it takes time to settle. And I'm sure she was probably like, just starting to feel like at home and then it goes and changes again. But, yeah, that was, that was a tough watch to answer. What you said about Bose and the pregnancy journey, I don't mind it. I found it very interesting, however. And at first when I'm like, she's 47 and she wants to have a baby is like giving Diana Jenkins, like, and.
- [74:25]
A
And these people haven't even said I love you yet.
- [74:27]
B
Oh, no. But I. I'm like, that's. That's biblical. It's fascinating. And like, if she could do it at 47, like, I would love to see that. But then to find out that she actually had two extremely high risk pregnancies.
- [74:36]
A
Yes.
- [74:36]
B
That she should not have another, let alone an older. That this is a bad idea. And if she wants a baby, like, it maybe a surrogate should have it or something, then I'm like, now I'm like, what? Why?
- [74:46]
A
I mean, I'm sorry. The idea that her and would have a baby together and they're like doing ultrasounds in her living room when they haven't even exchanged I love yous. Please stop wasting my time.
- [74:54]
B
Oh, I didn't feel that way. And I do love that, like, Bose brings everything in. In house. That was nice to see.
- [74:59]
A
Yes.
- [74:59]
B
Literally get an ultrasound in your living room.
- [75:02]
A
And I just want to say I love her and I haven't said a bad word about her and I won't again. Because the way she, like, blindly stands up for Dorit, like, that's the kind of support needs right now. And she is etched in my book.
- [75:13]
B
Yes. First of all, she does always come in for Dorit. But like, like, she's not wrong in the things that she's saying. Like when she said that they're rude for being in the corner. Like, I haven't found her to, like, blindly and wrongly defend Dorit yet.
- [75:24]
A
Not wrongly. Yeah.
- [75:25]
B
She comes in, she calls it how she sees it, and she's. She's been like 10 for 10 so far. When Dorit, When Erica said, like, everyone needs to be stopped being so threatened by Dorit and Bose's friendship. That's exactly what it is. Like, two people just sometimes people click faster than other people. You might think you get along with someone, but they just connected with someone faster and stronger. And like, like, I think people are mad that Dorit has this person in her corner who is having her back and Dorit isn't.
- [75:49]
A
Like, in a really fierce kind of way.
- [75:50]
B
Yeah. Dorit isn't on an island, and Erica has her back too, but she also has Kyle's back, and she definitely plays the fence.
- [75:56]
A
Plays. Yeah.
- [75:58]
B
But it's nice. And the thing is, Sutton also. And Erica said this, like, Garcelle does the same thing for Sutton, like, always.
- [76:05]
A
Oh.
- [76:05]
B
So if it.
- [76:05]
A
Please.
- [76:06]
B
If it's gonna be Dorit versus Sutton and Garcelle, like, she deserves to have.
- [76:10]
A
Then why not Dorit and Bose?
- [76:11]
B
Right. Right.
- [76:12]
A
They just like it. Yeah. They don't, because Bose is a formidable opponent.
- [76:18]
B
Yeah.
- [76:18]
A
She'll around.
- [76:19]
B
I do like their friendship, and I'm glad that Dorit has. That.
- [76:23]
A
Has her. I agree.
- [76:25]
B
And then also, I thought the window into Dorit's room and Kyle seeing that, like, really put things into perspective when Kyle was like, dorit is a very meticulous person. She's very clean. Like, to see her bedroom look like this. This.
- [76:38]
A
Yeah.
- [76:39]
B
It's so funny because Dorit is so open, and she gets accused of not being open when she's literally sitting down. She's like, I don't even see it. I'm not myself. Like, I. I would never. Like, I don't see. There's dead orchids there. I can't see it. Like, I feel like everyone is. Acts like she doesn't share what's going on, but, like, it's literally right there in front of you. So if she says an offer Mark, like, she's not herself, and she's trying to tell everyone that no.
- [77:00]
A
And there's no grace given.
- [77:01]
B
Yeah. The box is like, that really was so crazy. For someone who even her best friend knows, like, she wouldn't live like that.
- [77:08]
A
Yeah. Tomorrow we have Summer house, and I've been seeing Whispers online that some of the spritz drama starts tonight. If that's true, I can't wait.
- [77:19]
B
I saw that the text message page shows a text message. I saw someone, like, as much as they could transcribe what's in the message, like, it's. Is this play about us? Yes. I can't freaking wait.
- [77:30]
A
I can't freaking wait. Not to make everything about us, but you're gonna want to tune into tomorrow's Summer house recap. Don't forget to use code CRAIG20. It's for today.
- [77:36]
B
I hope it's not like a to be continued. And we just are getting the beginning of it.
- [77:40]
A
That's totally what it is. Yeah. That's our show. You guys, thank you so much for listening to the Toast, the Monday morning show where we Deliver the Fast5 stories. You need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching this on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We are also available as podcasts anywhere podcast can be found so that Spotify, itunes, Stitcher Public Radio, IR Ready Cast Box all the places wavy listen to podcasts by now. So toast, leave a five star review about a beautiful about us stunning and about how wickedly talented we are.
- [78:01]
B
Love ya. Bye.