Loser Sneeze: Wednesday, April 29th, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast

Episode: “Loser Sneeze” (Wednesday, April 29, 2026)
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: April 29, 2026

Episode Overview

In this lighthearted and signature banter-filled episode, Jackie and Claudia (“Jackson Claude” and Claudia) deliver their signature comedic takes on pop culture events, Bravo TV happenings, music news, relationships, and their own personal lives. The “light bites” format keeps the energy playful, with topics ranging from “Summer House” and “Watch What Happens Live” recaps to pop music comebacks and celebrity gossip. There’s a notable focus this episode on the recurring “Namesake” project idea, fan theories, relationship stability, and the importance of “shalom bayit” (peace in the home).

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bravo Corner: “Summer House” & “Watch What Happens Live”

• The hosts skip over recent drama involving “Licks and Lex,” celebrating a third consecutive episode avoiding the subject in a “formal capacity” ([01:05]).
• Recap of “Summer House” episode and Lindsay’s appearance on “Watch What Happens Live”:
  • Claudia admits she missed part of the episode due to parenting duties ([01:25]).
  • Both agree the episode was somewhat boring, with Jackie criticizing Andy Cohen’s rushed interviewing style, especially toward “Mother Hubbard” ([01:44]; [01:58]).
  • Bartender segments discussed as awkward, possibly due to contractual brand obligations ([02:37]).
  • Claudia laments the show often prioritizes unnecessary segments over letting guests have true moments ([02:19]; [02:25]).

2. The Birth of “Namesake” – New Podcast Project

• Claudia contemplates pursuing her solo “Namesake” podcast project, inspired by people who share her son Charlie’s name ([03:01]; [03:42]).
• Possible guests floated: Charlie Puth, Harry Styles, Prince Harry, Michaela Agara, and even “my good friend Harry Styles” ([04:08]; [04:50]).
  • Funny aside that Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz had to announce their engagement twice ([04:52]).
• Claudia leans into the podcast being a “solo mission,” emphasizing the difference between solo and duo interview formats ([03:55]; [04:08]).
• Ongoing debate about the theme’s creative potential: “When you have parameters, it forces creativity. That's what ‘Namesake’ is—absolutely a forced creation.” ([42:25]).

3. Celebrity Relationships, Stability, and “Shalom Bayit”

• Extended reflection on “boring” and stable relationships being undervalued in pop culture, and the value of “shalom bayit”/inner peace ([06:15]–[07:13]).
  • Notable Quote:
    “Actual relationship stability is hot. I want boring content... People who go to bed at 8 o'clock and just like scroll and fall asleep together, you know?” – Jackson Claude ([07:16])
• Discussion about motherhood, moving away from following toxic ‘mom influencers’, and preferring “toxic positivity” ([06:52]; [07:07]).
• Country singer Brett Young gets discussed as an example of someone who’s chosen family stability, though Jackie notes “for a man, you don’t have to make a choice—you can have shalom bayit and be a huge channel.” ([09:01]; [09:13]).

4. Pop Culture & Music News

• Ariana Grande’s new album “Petal” announced ([19:14]):
  • The hosts speculate about her motivations—did her lack of Oscar attention push her back to music? ([19:49]; [21:06]).
  • Notable exchange on public statements:
    “People need to stop making grand proclamations like, ‘I’m not doing music anymore.’ Just see what happens, you know?” – Claudia ([21:51])
  • Discussion of Ariana’s acting, contractual glam control, and how that limits her roles ([22:38]–[23:44]).
• White Lotus Season 4 Casting:
  • Laura Dern replaces Helena Bonham Carter; missed opportunity for Jennifer Tilly ([29:35]; [30:03]).
  • Jackie/Claudia wish more quirky, eccentric actresses were cast—“It’s a safe choice. I don’t want to throw shade, it just doesn’t excite me.” ([31:18])
  • Demand for Jennifer Tilly to have a White Lotus role someday.
  • Quick digression into Lisa Rinna and her not-so-successful “Traders” performance ([32:40]).
• Devil Wears Prada & Vogue’s New Podcast:
  • Vogue leans into the lore, interviewing the real-life “Emily” character ([33:06]; [33:34]).
  • Discussion of book vs. movie and Lauren Weisberger staying quiet post-movie ([34:03]; [35:20]).

5. Sports Scandal: Diana Russini & Mike Vrabel Affair

• Jackie confesses: “Not only does this story do nothing for me, I literally do not care. I don’t follow. I don’t know these people.” ([36:09])
• Claudia is fascinated not by the affair, but the bizarre digital breadcrumbs—like a public Spotify playlist titled “Turnin the Page” shared during a Titans losing streak ([36:43]–[38:44]).
• Their take: “The breadcrumbs are loaves—they’re boomers and don’t know how anything works.” ([38:44]; [38:53]).
• Hilarious detour where Claudia dreamed of being up for the Patriots head coach job ([39:23]).

6. Actors Being Actors: Bizarre On-Set Behavior

• Charlize Theron & Taron Egerton allegedly taking baths side by side on a movie set—hosts find it more weird than charming ([40:28]–[45:00]).
  • Jackie: “It’s important to have stories like this, because it reminds us celebrities are genuinely brain dead—and they're weird.”
• Namesake debate: Which celebrities could be invited simply based on sharing a name, e.g., Caitlyn Jenner = Bruce’s namesake ([41:37]; [41:56]).
• Discussion of Charlize Theron’s career—hosts admit she’s largely “missed them” except for “Bombshell” ([46:49]–[47:24]).

7. “Summer House” Reunion & Recap

• Main drama: Kyle (Cook) calls out West (Wilson) for not defending Amanda (Batula) at the reunion ([53:45]).
  • Kyle’s notable tweet: “He’s all PR and zero intention or integrity. The reunion was a brutal beatdown.” ([54:17])
• Relationship dynamics—West & Sierra’s awkward “reconciliation,” Amanda’s alleged emotional shift, group gossip ([55:27]–[62:43]).
  • Jackie: “It's an impossible situation for Sierra—she has to work and live with this person. You want to shake her, but she's so in love. It's hard to watch.” ([56:48])
• Soft bar opening for Carl’s new non-alcoholic bar “in Greenpoint” gets a supportive but skeptical review — “beautiful idea, but not sure if it will work long-term” ([57:52]).
• Lindsay’s cringey encounter with Carl’s mom, awkwardness over wedding breakup, and cast commentary ([60:33]).
• Amanda/West theory: Was there an emotional affair brewing? Group reads into text messages, facial expressions ([62:04]–[63:09]).
  • Jackie: “It's not a coincidence—she's been there every weekend, and the one time she's gone, it's ‘the best night ever’?” ([63:25])
• Critique of the show’s overall energy: “All in all, it was actually a boring episode. And Watch What Happens Live was like, not salacious.” ([67:41])

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Actual relationship stability is hot. I want boring content. I want people who go to bed at 8 o’clock and just like scroll and fall asleep together, you know?” – Jackson Claude ([07:16])
• Claudia on “Namesake”: “Maybe I’m meant to do ‘Namesake’ on my own, in terms of my dream, not yours.” ([03:55])
• “The breadcrumbs are loaves, as we say, because they are boomers who don’t know anything.” – Claudia ([38:44])
• “It’s important to have stories like this, because it reminds us celebrities are genuinely brain dead—and they're weird.” – Jackson Claude ([44:17])
• On Ariana’s glam control as an actress: “You have to be down to clown. You have to be down to be ugly, like for real.” ([23:47])
• “You don’t get to choose your name. That’s what’s so great about Namesake.” – Claudia ([42:06])
• “It's an impossible situation for Sierra—she has to work and live with this person. You want to shake her, but she's so in love. It's hard to watch.” – Jackson Claude ([56:48])
• Claudia on Amanda's absence: “It's not a coincidence. She’s been there every weekend. They go out one time without her, and it's the best night ever.” ([63:25])

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Important Timestamps

• [01:05] – Avoiding Licks/Lex drama
• [03:01–04:14] – Namesake project explained; guest wish list
• [06:15–07:13] – “Shalom bayit”, why boring relationships are undervalued
• [09:13] – Brett Young choosing family life (and industry double standard)
• [19:14–24:08] – Ariana Grande’s album, acting career quirks, and “grande” proclamations
• [29:35–32:01] – White Lotus S4 casting, Jennifer Tilly plea, Lisa Rinna roast
• [33:06–35:20] – Devil Wears Prada source, Vogue podcast
• [36:04–39:23] – Diana Russini & Mike Vrabel scandal, “Boomer breadcrumbs”
• [40:28–45:13] – Charlize Theron/Taron Egerton bath stories & beaming at celebrity weirdness
• [53:45–64:49] – Summer House reunion: Amanda/West drama, Sierra’s struggle, Carl’s bar
• [67:41] – Episode/recap energy: “actually a boring episode”

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Episode Takeaways

• “The Toast” continues to deliver playful, candid recaps of reality TV drama and pop culture, blending personal anecdotes with sharp, affectionate snark.
• Jackie and Claudia show a preference for content and personalities that radiate “stability and peace of mind,” but still delight in the bizarre behavior of celebrities—they prefer their pop culture “chewy, snacky, light bites” over heavy, exhausting drama.
• The “Namesake” podcast idea becomes a running joke/concept, mixing earnest creativity with tongue-in-cheek skepticism.
• Relationship drama—real and on-screen—remains at the center; the hosts process TV, music, and gossip through a lens of lived experience, humor, and compassion.

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For New Listeners

If you missed the episode, this summary gives you the essential “fast five” pop culture stories and the best of Jackie & Claudia’s banter—no celery sticks, all snacky, chewy Toast.

Transcript

[Claudia]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host. It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know.

[Jackson Claude]

We'll start your day off.

[Claudia]

Swirly.

[Jackson Claude]

It's the Toast.

[Claudia]

They sound amazing.

[Jackson Claude]

Welcome back to the Toast and happy hump day. Don't forget to hump someone you love. I'm happy to be your host, Claudia, who has such a wild side that everyone has gotten to know. And speaking of everyone, it's my girl, J.

[Claudia]

Not just anyone.

[Jackson Claude]

Not just anyone.

[Claudia]

Not just anyone. And I do feel confident that in today's episode, you will continue to see Claudia's wild side making good on the wish that Olivia, a younger sister, wished for the world.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm just updating our whiteboard because yesterday was our second. Second show without talking about the Licks versus Lex drama in a formal capacity. The whiteboard now reflects that. Are there any stories about them today?

[Claudia]

No, they're not. So I think we're gonna go three for three on days without speaking about it in a formal capacity.

[Jackson Claude]

We'll see. Time will tell. Last night was the summer house. You know, day watch, summerhouse watch, Lindsay on watch what happens live.

[Claudia]

Watch the first commercial break.

[Jackson Claude]

Same. It was boring.

[Claudia]

Oh, it wasn't boring. I was just getting so late. I'm now in the phase of, like, you know, Charlie transitioning sleep. And so he starts, like, what I went through last spring with Harry, where, like, I had to fall asleep in the bed with him and then transfer him. Like, now I'm going through with Charlie, which means I can't get to my shows till, like, 9. 9:30. That's wild, man.

[Jackson Claude]

I did feel like it was boring. I think not every episode is going to be a banger. This one, like, I feel like people were sort of, like, grasping at straws, like, looking for stuff. I don't think there was anything. It was just, like, a fine episode. And it was the same for Watch what happens live. And Andy was once again, like, being rude to Mother Hubbard. Like, he.

[Claudia]

Oh, yeah, he was like. He was. He got.

[Jackson Claude]

He was moving quickly.

[Claudia]

He got testy.

[Jackson Claude]

I do have sympathy for, like, a live show where the guests have so much personality. Like, sometimes just shut up so I can move on to the next segment or cut to a commercial break. Like, people try to have, like, their moment on Watch Drums Live, but he rushes people so, so much sometimes that it's just rude.

[Claudia]

What about this? How about less segments? Like, the segments are nutty.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, they are.

[Claudia]

And we're there for the big personality who's trying to have a moment. Like, please, by all means, have a moment. Tell us something interesting.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I felt bad for the bartender because, you know, sometimes people don't realize

[Claudia]

who corrected Andy and let him know he has three restaurants.

[Jackson Claude]

The bartender sometimes is a sponsored role where, like, a brand will pay. So Andy has to legally, like, give them 30 seconds. Sometimes you could tell it's just like, a friend of a friend, and Andy just, like, really? But this guy, like, I think he got contractually, like, one question. He was having his moment, and I did feel bad. Like, I, I, I do think it's a waste of a brand's money to go and watch.

[Claudia]

Why I now know he has three restaurants. One called the dirty, one called Jack and Charlie. Because he should go on Namesake. He should come on Namesake.

[Jackson Claude]

He should go on Namesake. I have been there.

[Claudia]

So the streets are saying that they like Namesake. And by the streets, I mean Claudia's best friend's mom, which is a really influential figure in your life.

[Jackson Claude]

She's my Moroccan friend's mom. And I would say at this point, like, she's my friend. And she was DMing me this morning about Namesake because she has a son named Ruby.

[Claudia]

So her son could go on Namesake.

[Jackson Claude]

He could. I just want to say I'm glad that the fandom is, like, growing for, For Namesake, because it's going to take a lot for me to, for me to get on board.

[Claudia]

Maybe it's like my solo project, passion project.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, I've always said, one of these days, like, I will do a podcast with Ben. Like, one of these days, one of these. It's coming.

[Claudia]

So I think one of these days

[Jackson Claude]

you will also host a podcast called Namesake.

[Claudia]

I think it's a solo mission. I think I gotta fly solo, and I'm okay. I love that, like, there's some things that, like, I could not do without you. But maybe I meant to do Namesake on my own and in terms of my dream, not yours.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, no, it's not my dream. And in terms of, like, interview formats, one on one is so much better than two on one.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I feel like I'll really, I'll get to the bottom of things with Charlie Puth. Listen, we should reach out to his team and, like, have. Who do you think should be the first person on Namesake who inspired it?

[Jackson Claude]

Was it Charlie Puth?

[Claudia]

I think so. But there's another person, Michaela Agara. She didn't inspire it, but she was definitely a big get for for Namesake.

[Jackson Claude]

Levi from Summer House. No, she was a Late Edition. It was like, Harry Jowsey Levi from

[Claudia]

Summer House is a Late Edition. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

And you could also, now that I'm thinking about it, have my good friend Harry Styles.

[Claudia]

Yes, I could. Of course, Prince Harry.

[Jackson Claude]

I saw somebody post something really interesting because it's so true. Not Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz having to announce their engagement, like, to the public twice. It was like, it was reported in two waves. Like, people didn't care enough the first time. So then it was reported again yesterday, like, tmz. Like, it's confirmed. Like, you said that a few days ago.

[Claudia]

Well, I feel like when I first saw it, I just. When someone puts out an engagement and it's, like, not from their Instagram or whatever, I just, like, don't believe it because, like, these rats from a piece of jewelry lie, lie, lie. So they did need to confirm it.

[Jackson Claude]

I just think people don't care. And I just want to say I kind of care. I was talking about this. So yesterday I recorded Nuts Getting Enough Out. We did, like, pop culture. And she was like, why does nobody care about Lewis Hamilton and Kim Kardashian? And I'm like, they just don't. It's not interesting. Kim's not, like, having her viral moment right now. And she was like, people also don't really care about Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles. And that's true, but I want to say that's not my truth. I happen to be, like, on ship for them. I'm excited about the prospect, and I'm all good.

[Claudia]

Yeah, but you. You're not, like, as excited as you could be, you know, like Michelle Sinai and Dr. Dre, just because some things have that it factor. Magic.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And some things are, like, kind of obvious and a little boring, but boring for a relationship is good, so that's good for sure.

[Jackson Claude]

Actual relationship stability is hot. I feel like we live in a world where, like, people who are happily married, like, aren't the most interesting. It's like the Aria you're always saying, like, the Ariana Maddox trajectory. Like, why can't married people get brand deals? Like, for me, like, my idols, people get brand deals. And obviously I'm speaking for turd self. Like, my idols, like, people I look up to, like, are stable. Like, I only want to, like, watch content of people who, like, have shalom bite.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Inner peace.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I find that very influential to me.

[Jackson Claude]

Yes. Me as well.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

It's kind of how, like, when I became a mom, I stopped following or, like, engaging with any sort of like toxic moms who like make like, oh, can't wait to put my kid to bed so I can kill myself. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I hate that. I hate it.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

I want toxic positivity. Like, I don't even want to talk about the hard stuff because it doesn't matter. And like harping on it just makes it harder.

[Claudia]

No. Yeah. And then it's like more time you spent in the hard. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

No. And it's like it was hard, but it was us. Like, who cares? Yeah. So I apply that also to like relationships. Like I'm only if you. I want boring content. I want peaceful content. I want people who go to bed at 8 o' clock and just like scroll and fall asleep together, you know?

[Claudia]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Ben went to the game last night and it was kind of a star studded affair.

[Claudia]

I mean, Kylie and Timothy.

[Jackson Claude]

So like when me and Ben go to Nick games, I take Ben's glasses because I have like pretty good vision. But Ben wears like an actual micro, like a pair of binoculars and so it helps me like look at the front row, see who's there. So I like. My influence on Ben is like now he goes to the games with his friends and he takes pictures of the celebrities and sends them to me. And it was a packed house at MSG last night. You know, the usuals. Tracy Morgan, Ben Stiller. But Tracy Morgan was there with Tina Fey. Tracy and Liz and then of course

[Claudia]

Kimmy and then sitting next to Tina. And Kylie was sitting next to Ben Stiller.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. I thought it was weird. I thought they should have switched.

[Claudia]

I feel like Tina Fey has like made jokes about the Kardashians.

[Jackson Claude]

Absolutely.

[Claudia]

And that would be a little awkward. Kylie would have to. Kylie would always be polite because she's a queen, but.

[Jackson Claude]

No, but she's definitely.

[Claudia]

Whether it's like Timothy, a little pinch. He's like, no, I want to sit next to Ben Stiller. And it's like, get over there.

[Jackson Claude]

No, like a little elbow. Sit down.

[Claudia]

You know, she has sharp elbows too.

[Jackson Claude]

Too. She's so skinny.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Also did you see at Stagecoach. I totally forgot to talk about this. When we were recapping Stagecoach, Brett Young who's like, was on his way to being a huge country star and somehow like fell off. He did his set wearing.

[Claudia]

I think he chose Shalom Bite, actually.

[Jackson Claude]

You do?

[Claudia]

I do. Like he has a Shalom Bite.

[Jackson Claude]

He does. But for a man like, you don't have to make a choice. You can have Shalom Bite and Be a huge channel.

[Claudia]

Have you been seeing like those reports about him? Like, I mean, because he's been doing interviews and stuff about how he prioritizes fatherhood. He doesn't do any shows during the week, he travels on the weekend. But he is with his kids more than like 90% of fathers.

[Jackson Claude]

So shalom by it means like peace of the home, which means just like inner peace and yeah, like having a stable family life. I totally agree. And I just for a career, like it's really impossible for a man to like lose his career because he was too busy being at home. It's just like not how it works. And Brett Young, there was like an era and I think he was really like lifted up by Sam Hunt falling off. Like he was so up and coming banger after banger and he just kind of fell off. And yes, he does like get married and have kids, but I don't feel

[Claudia]

like, I think there's just like a lot of country guys and there are actually a lot of even successful. Like if there's a hundred mid country artists, even like 20 of them will become huge, but then just leave 80.

[Jackson Claude]

The reason why I brought him up is because he played his Stagecoach set in that T shirt that's like a mockery of the Beatles where it's like Kim, but it's Kim, Kylie, Khloe, Courtney and Kendall.

[Claudia]

I love.

[Jackson Claude]

That's weird. Yeah, me too. But like, why do you do that?

[Claudia]

I mean, personally, I can't understand someone who wouldn't wear that shirt.

[Jackson Claude]

So of course the biggest like day of their career.

[Claudia]

I can't speak to why he wouldn't wear why he shouldn't wear it.

[Jackson Claude]

People in the tick tock comment section work, like guessing that maybe he lost a bet.

[Claudia]

Oh, cool.

[Jackson Claude]

Like fantasy football. Maybe like March Madness.

[Claudia]

I don't know. I just don't think that's true because I don't think he's that big of a loser. Loser sneeze.

[Jackson Claude]

I could see him being a loser, to be honest.

[Claudia]

Why, why do you being so hard on him? I think he's such a cutie.

[Jackson Claude]

Am I being hard on him?

[Claudia]

Called him not successful, Lost a bet

[Jackson Claude]

I knew wasn't success. Okay, I guess like I, I'm being really harsh on Brett Young. My bad, my bad.

[Claudia]

I think he's so great. I love his music. We saw him perform once at Surf Watch. Oh no, you weren't there.

[Jackson Claude]

You saw him at Surf Lodge. Why wasn't I there?

[Claudia]

Me, Margot Washe and Margot Lewin. I don't know what the circumstances were

[Jackson Claude]

that I wasn't there and you weren't there. Brett Young at Surf Lodge. They only have the worst people. Come perform at Surf Lodge.

[Claudia]

Young at Surf Lodge. I believe the year was 2019. That's when all the great things was my fat ass socially happened. I remember I was out east with the Margos. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, that song of his sleep without you is literally the best song ever made. As long as the night as a beauty Yellow cap shooting me a text Ain't coming home soon. Oh. So yeah, Ben went to the game, the next one, next tape. And hopefully they, you know, keep doing

[Claudia]

that, continue to win.

[Jackson Claude]

So we can keep getting Tyler and Kimothy. I don't know why I can't see say their names. I'm having a stroke now for the second time. Timothy and Ky. K. Tim.

[Claudia]

Yeah. But you could have said just Ty.

[Jackson Claude]

Is that their name or Kimothy.

[Claudia]

I like Kimothy better even though it

[Jackson Claude]

sounds like Kim Kardashian's dating Timothy.

[Claudia]

Ky. That's good.

[Jackson Claude]

That's cute.

[Claudia]

I like that. I like. We've got a great.

[Jackson Claude]

Excuse me.

[Claudia]

Got a great sneeze for you.

[Jackson Claude]

We've got a great loser sneeze. We've got a great show. We have our summer house recap.

[Claudia]

We do.

[Jackson Claude]

We have stories like.

[Claudia]

Let me. Let me refresh myself. What are the.

[Jackson Claude]

Is your shirt from Amazon?

[Claudia]

No. Avara.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I'm just like really showing myself. I just have a similar shirt.

[Claudia]

Oh. You know, like actually like light bites. I would say. I would describe today stores as light bites.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I like that.

[Claudia]

Yeah. You know, just like a little. Little snacky, chewy little thing. Snacky, chewy, snacky, chewy. Like it's not like. It's not a big meal. The stories aren't meal like. And they're also not. They're definitely sweet. You know, it's not like a. A celery stick.

[Jackson Claude]

I would hope not.

[Claudia]

But sometimes we could have a celery stick. If it's like business, I would call that a celery stick.

[Jackson Claude]

I miss business.

[Claudia]

I know. I don't know why. Like, I guess. Yeah, everything's in waves here at the Terse Dino.

[Jackson Claude]

It's so true.

[Claudia]

So, yeah, light bites. I'm looking forward to discussing and munching on these light bites on these hors d'. Oeuvres in the fast five stories that. No, the pffb is the orders.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

In the fast five stories that you do need to know.

[Jackson Claude]

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[Claudia]

You mean this?

[Jackson Claude]

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[Claudia]

Thank you, Turtle.

[Jackson Claude]

L. You're welcome. What journal? Oh, like can you go?

[Claudia]

Can you say journal? It's really simple. Rolls off the tongue. Her first story, big music news. Ariana Grande announces her new album Petal, and sets a July release date. July. So Ariana Grande has announced the title and release date for her eighth studio album called Petal, executive produced and co written by she and Ilia, who like, works a lot with Max Martin and worked on Eternal Sunshine. Yeah, So I feel like she made a whole big deal about how she, like, wasn't doing music anymore. She's got the acting theater bug.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. But then I feel like she didn't get nominated for an Oscar and she was like, this whole thing was for nothing. I'm going back to music.

[Claudia]

You're lying. You really thought it was. I really actually maybe, like. Sorry to just, you know, debase her, but like, maybe it was just because of Ethan. Like, maybe she wants to be an actress because she was dating an actor and she's the sort of girl who like.

[Jackson Claude]

Are they not dating anymore?

[Claudia]

No, they're not together anymore.

[Jackson Claude]

Are you sure?

[Claudia]

I'm pretty sure. Let's look it up.

[Jackson Claude]

I haven't heard that.

[Claudia]

I feel like that that was Ariana Grande.

[Jackson Claude]

Ethan Slater, I think they are still together.

[Claudia]

They are

[Jackson Claude]

fairly certain on one part. Like they have to stay together for their whole lives. I thought what they did.

[Claudia]

I thought so too. Okay, so it's not just because she was like, acting for him.

[Jackson Claude]

She's not publicly single. She is still believed to be with Ethan Slater as of latest information, according to chat.

[Claudia]

So it wasn't just to be his, like, dream theater girl.

[Jackson Claude]

No, no, I don't think she was larping. Like, you know when you get a new personality when you date someone? Yeah, No, I don't think.

[Claudia]

And like, you're in their world and he's like, with actors, actors on actors.

[Jackson Claude]

I think maybe like Wicked was such a whirlwind and it required so much of her that she thought all movies would be like that and so she would have no time for music. But then she did like Meet the Fockers, which is just like a regular movie and you probably work for like a month or two. And she was like, wait, maybe I can do both.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

And so now she's like, never mind. I do think the Oscar thing, like, really pissed her off, honestly.

[Claudia]

Interesting. But she did get nominated for the first movie, right? So she.

[Jackson Claude]

No.

[Claudia]

Oh, okay. Are you sure?

[Jackson Claude]

I don't think so. No. Did Ariana.

[Claudia]

Because, like, at least she could then be like Oscar nominated actress.

[Jackson Claude]

I don't even think she did. Let me just ask. Chat really quick. Well, damn.

[Claudia]

I also feel like someone needs to tell her she doesn't need to make like these grand proclamations.

[Jackson Claude]

Sorry. She did. She did, she did.

[Claudia]

Okay, so she's nominated. She's asking.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, that's. That's good.

[Claudia]

That's pretty cool. You don't need to make like grand proclamations. Like, I'm not Doing music anymore. Like, just see what happens, you know, like, wait and see. I feel like a lot of people do that and then they have to like undo what they said and it's like, just don't say big statements.

[Jackson Claude]

Just don't share your plans with us.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Especially if you don't know what they are.

[Jackson Claude]

Move in silence.

[Claudia]

But I mean, she's a great musical artist, like a once in a lifetime sort of talent. Like, it would have been sad if she wasn't making like bops anymore and she's a bop maker. So I, as a consumer of bops, like, I look forward to listening to what this album holds.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. And I do think with the perspective of hindsight, Eternal Sunshine. Well, I don't know how commercially successful it was in the moment. I do feel like as far as albums go, it made quite an impact. Like.

[Claudia]

No, I think it was very successful. It's very good. There are a couple of.

[Jackson Claude]

There was a lot of discourse about it at the time.

[Claudia]

There are a couple of like amazing songs on it. Yeah. I think it did everything that you hope an album will do.

[Jackson Claude]

I watched a really interesting tick tock about Ariana Grande's acting career from like a, like an actor, like, like a film buff. And I guess like Ariana's thing is that she will do a movie, but a, like sort of a prerequisite for her rider. And like contractually they have to agree, like she handles her own glam because, you know, she has this thing where like she won't show one side of her face and she has to wear her hair a certain way. She's like. I don't want to use the word like insecure, but like particular.

[Claudia]

Yes.

[Jackson Claude]

And when you're an actress, like, you just can't be that way. Like, you just can't. You have to be a chameleon and you have to let them like do their thing. And so this Tik Tok was reviewing, I guess they saw Meet the Fockers or whatever this new movie is called. And it's like this kind of distracting thing where she's like this pop star sitting in glam, like when she's supposed to be like a daughter in law. And I didn't know that that was a part. And I guess she did it in Wicked, but Wicked was so like big and theatrical that it didn't, you know, you didn't notice it, but you could

[Claudia]

tell that she played Wicked.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Because she just looked just like herself. Like.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I think Kim also does that. I don't think Kim would let anyone else touch her face, even for.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And so she's always gonna look like Kim Kardashian.

[Jackson Claude]

You know, it's limiting. It's limiting. I didn't know that.

[Claudia]

Like, you have to be down to clown.

[Jackson Claude]

You have to be down to be ugly. Like, for real.

[Claudia]

Would you gain weight? Would you gain weight? Me? Not you. These people. These, like, no. Does Kim want to be an actress Bad.

[Jackson Claude]

Would Ari? Could she? No, she.

[Claudia]

I don't think she would. So, like, yeah, I guess that's like, you're not a serious actor if you won't do that.

[Jackson Claude]

You're not.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I wouldn't be a serious actor. I. I need my own glam.

[Jackson Claude]

Actually, there's this viral clip. I don't know if you've seen it. It's like, I think it's many years old, but it just started resurfacing again. I've now seen it twice where Hillary Swank is, like, doing a moderated panel or whatever, and there's an audience Q A, and this woman gets up and asks her, like, quite literally, the most unnecessary question. I guess there's an episode of the Office where the whole premise is everybody in the Office is arguing whether or not Hillary Swank is beautiful. Like, some people. Like, no, she's not. And the question was like, have you ever seen the episode what do you think? Which, like, I don't know what brain dead person thinks. That's a good question. And her answer is very much like, I've. Like, I. I think I. I haven't seen it, but I know that it exists. And, like, my whole thing is, like, I just play real people, and, like, some people are ugly and some people are not. And so, like, that's why she's a great actress. She's not afraid to be considered ugly. Even though I'm watching the panel, I'm like, no, she's very pretty, but she plays ugly people.

[Claudia]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Remember she played, like, that kind of manly boxer.

[Claudia]

Yeah. So Million Dollar Baby.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Right. Range.

[Claudia]

She's not afraid to get ugly.

[Jackson Claude]

No, no. But I think when you're, like, such a bombshell, like, it's not a question whether or not Sydney Sweeney is, like, insanely beautiful, even though people like to be like, she's not that hot. It's like, okay, ugly. Whatever you say. So it's like, it's fun to play ugly because no one's really gonna think you're ugly.

[Claudia]

No, but, like, I actually am surprised. I've, like, seen a couple clips from, like, Euphoria and stuff. And like, she's not afraid to like embarrass herself as an actress. And it's. It's quite surprising, especially with this like, baby only fan stuff. Have you been seeing that? Mm. Like it's not on her because she didn't write that. And she's just.

[Jackson Claude]

And we know that the people who do write the show are like, freaky

[Claudia]

as hell disgusting, but like, she just like, does it or. I saw the scene where she's like, the one where she went viral. Like, I've never been so happy in my life. Like, her face. I've never ever been a shirt. She looks crazy.

[Jackson Claude]

Her character is a crazy girl. Like a really desperate love struck loser. But she's like the popular girl, but nobody knows how big of a loser she actually is.

[Claudia]

That's crazy. And then I just saw a scene from her and Nate's wedding where she's like dancing on him.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, they did like a choreographed dance

[Claudia]

and she says, like really like gets after it.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, she's a good actress. She really.

[Claudia]

She is.

[Jackson Claude]

You would think, except that movie. Anyone but you. She should have that deleted from the Internet. It is the worst acting performance from a human being I've ever seen.

[Claudia]

People liked it. Claudia.

[Jackson Claude]

I enjoyed the movie. I'm not saying it was a bad movie. Her performance was someone's first time on earth. Like, it was not. It was bad.

[Claudia]

Well, the place looks great.

[Jackson Claude]

It always does.

[Claudia]

So new RA music. That's exciting. Like, sure, sure.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, sure. Petal.

[Claudia]

Petal. Cute. Cute. Oh, oh. Because, Petal. Because I have this right here. Something that is full of life and growing through the cracks of something cold and hard and challenging.

[Jackson Claude]

What a petal. I can't think too hard about Ariana Grande because I just end up disliking her.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

What she did. Like, every time we talk about her and we say positive things, we have to just bring up the fact that she broke up a family. They both did. They both did. A family with a newborn baby. Like Lily J, whatever that girl's name was. Like, no, that's not her name. It's Lily J, I think.

[Claudia]

Hold on. On my way. I'm on my way. Lily J.

[Jackson Claude]

There isn't enough justice in the world for that girl. And I don't even think she got any. Like, people don't believe in, you know, Bow and Yang's always like, don't believe what you hear about Ari. And it's like, no, I do believe it. Just. And she wrote a piece in like New Yorker. Pretty Much confirming the whole thing. Yeah, there isn't enough justice in the world for that woman.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I agree. You got to keep it surface with Ari. You can look beneath the surface.

[Jackson Claude]

You really. For me, at least. Like, I unfortunately cannot stand due to my moral compass.

[Claudia]

You cannot stand.

[Jackson Claude]

Did I say stand?

[Claudia]

You did.

[Jackson Claude]

I meant Stan. I can't, like, fully dive deep.

[Claudia]

No, no, no. Surface.

[Jackson Claude]

I can stream. I can have fun. I can even go to a concert.

[Claudia]

Wicked can. But I.

[Jackson Claude]

Of course, of course I can't give a part of my. My soul, you know, like I do to some of my faves, like.

[Claudia]

Taylor, you cannot ride.

[Jackson Claude]

I cannot ride.

[Claudia]

I understand.

[Jackson Claude]

All right. Energy, my heart. You. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Jackson Claude]

No, I'm not. Because on my morning Tik tok squirrel today, I watched just like 10 minute deep dive. You know, they talked about it on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, but I feel like. Like no one was listening. Lisa Rinner just shared the fun fact that her mom was actually, like, a victim of that serial killer. David Carpenter. Yeah, she was like, the first one. He tried to kill her and then went to jail for, like, seven years and got out and then became a serial killer. Well, somebody did like, a whole deep dive on the actual incident of what happened to Lois Rinna. Let me tell you, it's the craziest story I've ever heard. I was like, like, gripping my seat. Terrible story. She was, like, friends with him. He was like some loser from her workplace who had a stutter. And she was nice to him. Big mistake. He, like, kidnapped her in his car and, like, drove out to a military base and started beating the out of her, tried to kill her.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God. I remember such a crazy story. It's a crazy story.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. And I guess he wasn't a serial killer yet, right? She was gonna be his first victim, but she fought so hard. He chopped off two of her fingers.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God.

[Jackson Claude]

It was a crazy story.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God. That's insane.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, it really was, actually.

[Claudia]

Speaking of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, sort of our next story, White Lotus season four casts, sort of, because they've casted Laura Der, not to exactly replace Helena Bonham Carter, but this new character that they're developing instead in place of Helena Bonham Carter. However, the rumor will was swirling at one point that it would be Jennifer Tilly cast as Helena's replacement. And let me just tell you, this is a missed opportunity.

[Jackson Claude]

I completely agree.

[Claudia]

With all respect to Ms. Dern, even

[Jackson Claude]

though Jennifer Tilly is so similar to Helena Bonham Carter that if what their statement said was true, then they'd need someone different. Like, Laura Dern is very different from Helena.

[Claudia]

Yeah. No, and it would, like, just prove that it was more of a personality conflict, because here we go. We have another quirky.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

You know, ethereal actress.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. But this put, like, a seed in my head. Like, I need Jennifer Tilly on a season of White Lotus. It doesn't have to be this. But I'm so here for the resurgence of Jennifer Tilly's acting career. She's one of my favorite people, like, I've ever discovered through Bravo, and she has so much lore outside of her Bravo tenure. It's, like, the least interesting thing about her. The Simpsons, Chucky, like, just everything. Did she win an Oscar?

[Claudia]

I think so. Or nominated.

[Jackson Claude]

Remember she was talking about nominated for an Academy Award? For what? Oh, Broadway.

[Claudia]

She's also an Acentura.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, my God. She's an Ace Ventura pet detective. You're right. She's the love interest, Right?

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

That movie's so good.

[Claudia]

First.

[Jackson Claude]

No. She's so iconic.

[Claudia]

Yeah. She really is. So Laura Jordan. It just feels like she's already been in White Lotus, like, a thousand percent. She's an amazing actress. It's just, like, a little uninspired. But I don't want to, like, throw shade. It's just. It doesn't excite me, you know? And now it's like, instead of getting, like, a type of Z character of the quirky older woman, like, we're getting very type A, you know, she plays, like, Renata. Like, my daughter needs to get into Amabel's mom.

[Jackson Claude]

For sure. It's a safe choice. It's not going to be bad. But I liked the route we were going down initially with the more quirky, eccentric Jennifer Tilly type.

[Claudia]

Mm.

[Jackson Claude]

But this just reminds, like, if you are a showrunner, if you work in casting right now, there's clearly huge demand for Jennifer Tilly. So, like, put her in. Put her in coach.

[Claudia]

I would even say Lisa Rinna, too. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Even though Lisa Rinna is not a, like, extremely skilled actress, and she's such a big personality, and she's so recognizable with the lips and the hair. I think it's very hard to suspend disbelief and watch her pretend to be anything other than Lisa Rinna now. Yeah.

[Claudia]

What do you think about back in the day, though?

[Jackson Claude]

Well, that was before she was like, Lisa Rinna and had, like, the lips and, like, the cultural cachet.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Yeah. I also think, like, the fact, like, Traders was Like, bad for her resume in terms of acting.

[Jackson Claude]

Absolutely. That was one of the worst performances. And you know who should go into acting?

[Claudia]

Rob.

[Jackson Claude]

Correct. Literally anyone else. Colton. Like, literally anyone but Lisa.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

She should stick to hosting and reality TV and fashion.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Not good for her acting chops.

[Jackson Claude]

It was not a ringing endorsement by any means. That's so true.

[Claudia]

Well, congrats to Laura Dern, the part a million girls would have killed for, quite literally, once again.

[Jackson Claude]

Once again, I saw something else interesting on my morning scroll. Vogue is really leaning into the Devil Wears Prada of it all. They have a podcast that's hosted by the new swirly.

[Claudia]

What's her name, the new editor in chief.

[Jackson Claude]

Chloe.

[Claudia]

Yeah, that sounds right.

[Jackson Claude]

It's a podcast. I don't know how frequently they release. It's the first time I've ever seen it. And she was sitting down with the real life Emily, and she was talking about Lauren Weisberg. Is that her name?

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

The girl who wrote the book who's like the Andy character, Devil Wears product people might not even know is based on a book of, like, a real girl who was Anna Wintour's assistant. Emily is also a real person and she talks about how they found out about the book for the very first time. Anna calls her into her office and she's like, do you remember a Lauren Weisberg? And she's like, yeah, kind of. And they. She's writing a book about us. And actually I only saw one clip, but it did look good and it kind of made me want to watch it.

[Claudia]

That does sound good. But she worked there a long time in the movie, right? Like maybe eight months or so.

[Jackson Claude]

Emma, Andy. Yeah, yeah.

[Claudia]

So they would remember her.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. I don't think Anna would have remembered her if not for this book.

[Claudia]

No, no, no. Of course the movie makes it seem like she would. You know, she's the one that got away.

[Jackson Claude]

And you know what's so funny? It's like I've seen quite literally no interviews with the author. I feel like this day and age when a book gets adapted. They're everywhere. She's very quiet.

[Claudia]

I know. And what's also funny is she wrote a sequel. When life gives you Lululemons, it's like a sequel adjacent. But Emily sequel. No. Yes. It's m. I read it.

[Jackson Claude]

It's when they moved to Connecticut.

[Claudia]

They don't move to Connecticut. It's about like a. Some senator's wife or whatever. But, like, she needs pr and then I think Emily is like a big time pr.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I think you're right. It's like a spin off.

[Claudia]

It's a spin off. It's so good, by the way. You should.

[Jackson Claude]

It is. It's a. I did read it.

[Claudia]

They should. No, no, you, dear reader, should read it. And they should make that into a movie.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. But not connect it with Devil Wears.

[Claudia]

No, no.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, it didn't need to be Emily's character. Like, it was just a girl who works in pr and it was a good book.

[Claudia]

Yeah, it was. It had like a cute connection to Devil Wears Pride and it's obviously a good author, so it was good.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. But I would love to hear from Lauren. Lauren Self. And at the time of the film, like, the original movie, was there any interviews with her ever about her time and her connection and what did she think of. I would love to hear from these people.

[Claudia]

Right? I have no idea.

[Jackson Claude]

I would love to know. Yeah, they should get her on the Vogue podcast. But I'm sure she's Persona non grata.

[Claudia]

Even though they're all, like, lapping it up.

[Jackson Claude]

They're leaning into, like, the fictionalized version. But I think the actual book, like, was quite scathing. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Our next story, a crazy update in the sports scandal that is rocking the world. Are you ready for today's news between Diana Rossini and. And Mike Vrabel.

[Jackson Claude]

I am, but I have to speak

[Claudia]

my truth that you don't care.

[Jackson Claude]

Not only is this story, like, do nothing for me, like, I literally do not care. I do not follow. I do not know these people. Like, I. I actually hate it now. Why? Because I'm being forced to pretend to

[Claudia]

care, you know, on this show. You mean?

[Jackson Claude]

I don't want to be like a naysayer. So I will talk about it, but I want everyone to know, like, I hate these people and I don't care.

[Claudia]

I. I don't know these people. So I don't like. It's not even about the people for me, like, oh, my God, a reporter and the coach like that. But just the way that they've gone about their affair over the last six years. Everything that comes out is crazier than including the Sun's Spotify playlist. And now it's the Spotify playlist.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

So according to the Spotify playlist, Diana Rossini tried to help Mike Vrabel get over a four game losing streak with a mediocre Spotify playlist. At least that's what the Internet believes after the NFL Insider streaming activity surfaced on Monday. So someone found that she had made a Spotify playlist. In December of 2022 called turn in the Page. And she shared that playlist with a user named Mike. It just so happens that that date coincides with a four game Titans losing streak, the game that the team that he was coaching for. So she like made him a playlist in 2022.

[Jackson Claude]

She made him a mixtape.

[Claudia]

Yeah, a bunch of like inspirational songs to like get him out of his funk. And that's 2022.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, maybe if she had put the sun is Rising by Britt Nicole on, he would have started winning around. That is the most inspiring song. If you need to listen to one song, like to change your life, like, you're about to embark on this huge. What's the most inspiring song you've ever heard? I have a few. Brit Nicole is up there. I feel like that Mary J. Blige song you said I'll never be a leader Doubt, I think it's called.

[Claudia]

Yeah, that's good. That's a really good one. Of course, like, the climb is the most inspiration. The climb that should have been on her playlist.

[Jackson Claude]

Taking Chances by Celine Dion. This is our Diana Rubell, whatever her name is. This is our mix.

[Claudia]

This is our mic playlist. But you would just think like two people and then.

[Jackson Claude]

Sorry, Broken Hearted by Carmen.

[Claudia]

Well, that's only if he wants to go on the treadmill.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, right.

[Claudia]

You would think two people engaging in an affair, like, would be a little more covert to title the playlist Mike.

[Jackson Claude]

They're boomers. Like, they don't know that things can. That their Spotify podcast can be followed. Like they don't know these things. I didn't even know that, honestly.

[Claudia]

Yeah, but also they probably thought at the time they're known people, but they're kind of private. They're random. Like, it's not like they're celebrities. Celebrities engaging in an illicit affair where they have to use code names and whatnot. So, like, I don't think they ever thought it would get out there that anyone would care. And so they were just the. The breadcrumbs are loaves, as we say,

[Jackson Claude]

because they are boomers who don't know anything. And like, I don't think they thought people would ever care this much. And to be clear, I don't even

[Claudia]

like, no, I. I care about the way that they've moved over the last six years. It's really the craziest thing I've ever seen.

[Jackson Claude]

Kind of ship. It's like a very long standing relationship.

[Claudia]

But the kid thing is they're like both married. He's still married. He was, like, just caught, like, buying a gift for his wife. So I don't know. Business.

[Jackson Claude]

Where do we go from here?

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Business as usual.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I actually had a dream that I was up for the job of Patriots head coach.

[Jackson Claude]

Not you making the situation about yourself.

[Claudia]

No, I know, but I just came back to me, like, I guess this story has infiltrated my dreams, and I clearly. And I had a dream that I was up for the role of head coach, and it was a very interesting.

[Jackson Claude]

Get it?

[Claudia]

It was. I woke up. It was very much like a Ted Lasso situation, where it's like, of course I'm not.

[Jackson Claude]

Let's bring in the podcaster.

[Claudia]

I'm not equipped for the role. But, like, they saw so many of my other skills as being, like, really great for coaching. Coaching.

[Jackson Claude]

Right. I kind of feel that.

[Claudia]

Right. I think I'd be a good coach. Better teacher. Coaches need, like, a lot of energy. It's very physical. A lot of standing. I'd rather be a teacher.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Unless, like, is there a job where you could coach sitting down?

[Claudia]

Yeah. Chairs.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. They have a bench.

[Claudia]

This doesn't have, like, a good back support.

[Jackson Claude]

I need a lumbar. Absolutely. I need a pillow, too.

[Claudia]

Are you ready for our next story? Our fourth story? I am just. Actors being weird. Actors being weird. Charlize Theron and Taryn Egerton were, quote, forced to take baths next to each other while making their new movie.

[Jackson Claude]

What, like, cold plunges? Or like.

[Claudia]

Like, there was one bathtub?

[Jackson Claude]

I just want to say Charlize Theron is pissing me off. She said that Timothy Chalamet thing, and then. I don't know if you saw that, like, day she was asked about it, like, what did you mean when you said, like, AI is going to take the jobs of actors but not live performers? And she was like, I don't even really know what I meant by that. I was just trying to hurt Timothy. Like, okay, you're literally 20 years older than him, and you are not a part of this conversation.

[Claudia]

Trying to hurt Timothy.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Like, leave Timothy alone.

[Claudia]

Timothy. There's no real path for him to be on Namesake. That's about.

[Jackson Claude]

Let's think. Well, I. I plan on having more children, so.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God. Imagine. Well, then you have to have a tailor.

[Jackson Claude]

So we could have Taylor Swift. Yeah, absolutely.

[Claudia]

I guess. I know Kardashians could be on Namesake.

[Jackson Claude]

No.

[Claudia]

Okay. It is what it is. You know, let me think.

[Jackson Claude]

Hold on. Any of the kids?

[Claudia]

I was just trying to think of the kids.

[Jackson Claude]

No, we should Shut the podcast down.

[Claudia]

Wait. You've had good.

[Jackson Claude]

This is gonna be a little controversial. Okay. We could have Caitlyn, formerly shares a name with my father in law, Bruce Offer.

[Claudia]

I think it works. I think it works.

[Jackson Claude]

There's a very light connection, but that is the tie.

[Claudia]

And I think that's what's so great about Namesake. It's like you don't get to choose who you're going to talk to because

[Jackson Claude]

you don't get to choose your family.

[Claudia]

You don't get to choose your name.

[Jackson Claude]

So it'll. That'll be like the title like Namesake because you don't get to choose your name.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And I also think, like, other shows that can have any guests on, like, it just becomes so, like, routine. It's like, I think having guests on is so boring, like, because you can

[Jackson Claude]

have anyone on, like, yawn.

[Claudia]

But I find when you have, like, parameters that you have to work within in anything that you do, you know, like a theme party, like, it just. There's so much more options for creativity as opposed to just having, like, your pick of the litter. I was actually just saw a reel about, like, interior design, and this designer was like, oftentimes some of the projects that have, like, a lot of limits, like, whether it's like the spacing or the small space or, you know, there's a thing you're forced to get creative, and that's what Namesake is absolutely a forced creation. Okay, well, Charlize and Taryn could not come on Namesake, but they did share in their new movie, by the way.

[Jackson Claude]

Charlize could come on Charlie.

[Claudia]

Charlie. Also, I got a text from our producer, that Charlie from Love Island.

[Jackson Claude]

Charlie is what inspired.

[Claudia]

It might have been what inspired Namesake. Okay.

[Jackson Claude]

But I think we could skip him. Honestly, like, Yeah, like, no. At this point, I guess we missed the boat. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Okay. So they said that they were on set, the grueling New South Wales shoot. They found an unusual way to relax. Our one little bit of luxury that we had was we each had a bath. Do you remember that? We had a little bath each a little hot tub. Because we spent so much time in water that, particularly if you're not shooting when the sun's high in the sky, you get cold and you get stuck sick. So we had to sit in a hot bath. We'd sit side by side. That was cute. And Charlize would kind of feed me. It's not jerky. Biltong, traditional South African biltong. And we would sit a non biltong to try and keep in our Suani sinewy climbers physiques. Just think about thinking bricks.

[Jackson Claude]

I find people stay strong. For Brooks, it's so. Actually, I think stories like this are really important, if I'm being honest, because I think a lot of times, especially us, you know, we wake up every day and our job is to, like, talk about celebrities. And, you know, you. Sometimes you get swept up in it. You think these people are so great. And I just feel like it's important to be brought, like, moments like this, like, to bring you back down to, like, have. These people are genuinely brain dead. Like, and they're weird and they are weird. And they like, like to do things like this and make us think it's normal or they're either, like, dramatizing it. Like, because now I'm like, well, you naked in the bath, right?

[Claudia]

I would think so. Like, why are you taking a bath in a bathing suit every night?

[Jackson Claude]

And like, where are there. Too bad. What is this, a Cialis commercial? The two baths next to each other. Like, where else would you have two baths?

[Claudia]

I don't know. I'm thinking it's like an outdoor bath situation.

[Jackson Claude]

So then it's a hot tub, right?

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, so they're just like, trying to be provocative. Like you were in a hot tub with your co star. That's not that weird. You're taking a bath next to your co star. That's weird.

[Claudia]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

And I just didn't even know how to report on stories like this. Like, okay, cool.

[Claudia]

I think it was before. Cool. It was before he met Brooks, though, so hopefully she can straighten him out.

[Jackson Claude]

And do you feel like Charlize Theron? I. I feel like I'm always saying her name wrong.

[Claudia]

That's like me and Helena Bonham Carter right now. I say it's different every time. Helena. Helena.

[Jackson Claude]

Charlize Theron. Theron.

[Claudia]

Charlize Theron.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, that doesn't sound right.

[Claudia]

Charlize. Go with Charlize.

[Jackson Claude]

Let's just say Charlize. Don't you feel. Tell me if you agree with this, like, as a, you know, as the person that I am, the life that I've lived, her career, her cultural impact, her media, her art, has just missed me completely. Well, yeah, she feels so random to me, but she's like, literally one of the most critically acclaimed actresses of our time. I don't think I've seen her in one thing ever.

[Claudia]

The Italian Job.

[Jackson Claude]

Never saw it.

[Claudia]

You never saw it? It's so good.

[Jackson Claude]

Really?

[Claudia]

You should watch it. You would like it. Because it's like Kingsman, sort of like if you're. Oh, and I know you like Kingsman. You're always looking for, like, Kingsman, like, movies.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm. I'm always, like. I'm consistently chasing the high that I felt when I watched Kingsman for the first time. Yeah, Kingsman 2 helped.

[Claudia]

I think they're making a series.

[Jackson Claude]

I hope so.

[Claudia]

But, yeah, she's in, like, Mad Max. Missed us watch that either.

[Jackson Claude]

What made her monst

[Claudia]

miss Fate of the Fast and the Furious?

[Jackson Claude]

Nope.

[Claudia]

I also still didn't see Bombshell, so missed me.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I saw Bombshell. Yeah. Yeah. Who does she play? Not Megan Kelly. The other one.

[Claudia]

I don't know. I didn't see it yet.

[Jackson Claude]

She plays one of the. One of the women. Yep. Okay. I've seen Charlie Saron.

[Claudia]

Gretchen. Yes.

[Jackson Claude]

Carlson. No, that's the country singer.

[Claudia]

No, I feel like that's Gretchen Wilson. Gretchen Carlson. Sounds right.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I saw it. It was a good movie.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I agree. I've missed a lot of this.

[Jackson Claude]

She plays Megan Kelly.

[Claudia]

She does play Megyn Kelly. That's a pretty good casting.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. And it was a good movie. I don't know why I thought. I feel like I'm always talking about that movie.

[Claudia]

Really? I don't feel like I always forget about that movie because every time I remember it, I'm like, oh, I need to watch it. And then I just completely forget again.

[Jackson Claude]

Right.

[Claudia]

I'm not seeing Italian Job here, but I know she was in it. You really should watch it, Claudia. Ben would like it too. Like, add it to your, like, movie night list. It's so good.

[Jackson Claude]

I'm still trudging through that 14 hour Rick Burns New York doc.

[Claudia]

Take a break. Treat yourself.

[Jackson Claude]

I did. I did. I watched your Friends and Neighbors season two.

[Claudia]

Oh, true. Okay, well, time for everything. Final story, which will lead into our summer house recap.

[Jackson Claude]

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[Claudia]

Yes. So where. Yaso. Yaso.

[Jackson Claude]

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[Claudia]

Thank you, Turt, Maine.

[Jackson Claude]

You're welcome.

[Claudia]

Our next story, fifth and final, leading into the TV recap, Kyle Cook is blasting West Wilson for letting Amanda Batula take a brutal beat down at the summer house reunion. So Kyle responded to a fan tweet. The tweet said the fans said west explicitly asked that any criticism or he'd be directed at him rather than Amanda. On his podcast, Weston proceeded to sit silent. In all three audio clips leaked, Kyle responded saying he's all PR and zero intention or integrity. The reunion was a brutal beatdown and I can't recall a moment when he had Amanda's back.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I think that that was clear from the leaks, even though of course it was, you know, three minutes of a ten hour day. I think it was probably reflective of like the overall vibe.

[Claudia]

And we know, we know that he does that he shuts down. I just would have thought he would have tried a different route because he did do that two years ago when he was such a loser sneeze for it. So I would have thought and he it like, really his Q4, it's obviously

[Jackson Claude]

like a trauma response. Like, he can't help it.

[Claudia]

He's just, like, sad and sullen. His Q4 went to a zero after that, so I would have thought he would try something different this time. But that is his reflex is to operate like that when he is getting criticism.

[Jackson Claude]

Now, this week's episode sort of further cemented, at least for me, the theory that west and Sierra are, like, well on their way to getting back together. And it's crazy how, like, the second they forgive one another, there's no awkward period. Like, they're just back, like, hugging and holding and lingering and staring. And I. I am really curious if. If they decide not to because this is July, but if we take West

[Claudia]

Mandible out of it. If I'm just watching the show, like, she is very silly for that. I do. I am glad that she forgave him. I hope that they can be friends.

[Jackson Claude]

But.

[Claudia]

But he does still does not want to date. Even when he's going on this double date with Sabrina. Sabrina and Ben. He, in his confessionals is reticent. He's like, this feels like a lot very soon, you know, he's still the same fudgeing guy. He's not like, please forgive me. Give me another chance. I really like you. He's just like, please forgive me.

[Jackson Claude]

Be nice to me.

[Claudia]

I like you, and I want to be friends with you, and I want to have my cake and eat it too. But if she's not capable of. Not of speaking to him without really, like, falling for him, then she does need to still have that wall up because they're literally just going down the same path. A path that he still does not want to walk towards. Even in everything that he did. He was never like, I wish I gave us a real chance. I wish I didn't. Can you give me another chance? Like, he still just wants to, like, do watch parties and around.

[Jackson Claude]

Yep. And so the. It's just an impossible situation for Sierra because she has to work with this person and live with this person. So I do feel bad for her. And, yeah, you kind of just want to shake her being like, don't. This guy was just making out with somebody next to you. Like, don't give him the benefit of the doubt. But she's just, like, so in love with him. And that's really just what it. It's. It's. It's hard to watch. She's so sweet and she's trying her best.

[Claudia]

No, it's hard because In a regular situation, like, if you're in love with someone that doesn't want to be with you like that, or that's just bad

[Jackson Claude]

for you, like, you can walk away.

[Claudia]

No, you just, like, cut them off. Like, you. If you're not around them, it doesn't hurt as much. Like, you can move on. It's really hard to just, like, stop being in love with someone and she

[Jackson Claude]

cut him off while also, like, being in the same house with him.

[Claudia]

It's impossible. No, it's hard enough to stop being in love with someone. It's incredibly hard when you have to see them every other weekend, be in the house with them, do press with. All year long you're around them and you just love them more. So I don't fault her.

[Jackson Claude]

I just.

[Claudia]

And I also, I understand why she doesn't want to be in the situation of being mad at him still. Because, like, that's who wants to be,

[Jackson Claude]

like, the big curmudgeon in the house.

[Claudia]

It's not a fun way to feel. Everyone's having fun and you either have to, like, ignore it, you know, you want to be. And those are her friends too. So I like, yes. And I think she should have forgiven him, but I don't know where they go from here because they can't be friends at this level because he will disappoint her and hurt her again. And look what he's done.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. So, of course, like, now knowing what we know, but in this moment, like, I can't falter, but it's sort of like watching a train wreck.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

I thought the soft bar opening was really sweet. I feel very warm towards Carl. You know, personal biases aside, I still don't think it's, like, the greatest business idea, but, like, it's very pretty. I don't, you know, as long as it's attached to summer house, you know, anything they do, like, will be successful for the time being. But I just don't know, like, how successful a bar that serves no alcohol can be. But the. The meaning behind it is so beautiful that, like, I really, I. I want it to be successful. I hope that. I hope that it is.

[Claudia]

Maybe it will be. It seems like he has good, like, systems in place, good infrastructure. I think all of his fundraising and everything, like, amounted to everything that it should have amounted to. He has a real space. He really did it. And, you know, like, different strokes for different folks. Like, people like stuff that you or I might not like. And this could. It's in Greenpoint. Like, there might be Like, a community for it.

[Jackson Claude]

It being in Greenpoint, like, where people just think differently. In Brook, you know, like, they have like, a very, like, kind of, like a laissez faire approach to life. It could work. I really wanted to.

[Claudia]

I was. But I was also thinking, like, damn, if this place just sold alcohol, I feel like it'd be a really successful bar.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, of course. Couple of things about the.

[Claudia]

I guess they could always just, like, sell alcohol.

[Jackson Claude]

Couple of things. So many, actually. One, I love that they're not selling Lover Boy, because, like, first of all, the whole thing is that it's, like, functional drinks. And Lover was, like, actually made of rat piss. Like, they absolutely shouldn't serve it or put it in their mocktails. And I respect Carl for not. Two, it did feel like a launching pad for in the city, you know, we saw a bunch of places.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

I thought it was very, like, Sheena Shea walking from sir into Vanderpump Rolls.

[Claudia]

It actually would have been a great finale.

[Jackson Claude]

Yes, it should have. And then we can leave with Lexi and Andrea.

[Claudia]

But also, two weeks from this episode is the, like, opening to the public, so maybe it'll be another one.

[Jackson Claude]

Right, right, right.

[Claudia]

Oh, but Carl is not on in the City. I know.

[Jackson Claude]

And he was, like, talking publicly about how bummed he was about that.

[Claudia]

Well, then why don't you wife up, Bailey, and get on the show?

[Jackson Claude]

Get a girlfriend. Like, that's the key. And that's what we were saying. Like, we're married. People are becoming interesting things to, like, the Valley Shaws of Sunset in the City type of genre. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. So, yeah, just get a girlfriend. And Bailey, they were asking her on Watch Rapids Live. Lindsay really endorses them as a couple, and she. I didn't have high hopes. She was like, oh, yeah, Like, I love him. He's so sweet. Like, if you're dating someone, you wouldn't say, I love him.

[Claudia]

I know. And it's like, so much time has passed since the summer when they were, like, burgeoning. So it's either gone nowhere or it's not going anywhere. I. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

I can't remember a time I ever felt such physical discomfort from watching something on TV than I did watching Lindsay talk to Carl's mom. I kind of wanted to shake her because she was being a little, like,

[Claudia]

what the text said.

[Jackson Claude]

What text? It was sweet. It was like, after they broke up, it was just like. Like a conclusion. Like, I hope you're, you know, doing well. It wasn't bad.

[Claudia]

Okay. But at what point Did Carl's mom, like, talk about Lindsay? Because, like, Lindsay obviously dislikes her for a reason. Was it when they were gonna get married?

[Jackson Claude]

It was on the. Both. It was on the show, like, the.

[Claudia]

On the porch when Carl went home, like, before the wedding. And they're like, yes.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. And it's also just awkward. Right? Like, that's your ex, soon to be mother in law. She was a little rude. Like, this is like an older woman. Like, you could be a little bit respectful, but I'm sorry. She's so funny. Like, she really is so funny. And it was hard. It was genuinely, like, physically painful to watch.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

I had to, like, unclench afterwards.

[Claudia]

I have to. I'm gonna give Lindsay the benefit of the doubt, and I feel like if I got a refresher on what that woman did and also things that we don't know that her. I would also say that her reaction would be justified. Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, I'm sure. And also, like, the. The business of calling off a wedding is super awkward with money and stuff, so I'm sure there's a lot that we don't know that would warrant that because he's not, like, a mean person, actually, at all. She's drama. She's funny, but she's not mean. It was hard to watch.

[Claudia]

Yeah. It was just very awkward.

[Jackson Claude]

And I loved her leaving without saying hello to Danielle. I just can't stand that girl.

[Claudia]

Yeah, well, she'll do that on in the City.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah. Right. We'll save that conversation for next season.

[Claudia]

So then there were a couple other, like, breadcrumbs, and Andy was doing this,

[Jackson Claude]

trying to make more of it than what it was.

[Claudia]

Like, the cast is starting to really suspect that west and Amanda had something brewing over the summer. Now I think Lindsay makes a really good point where it's like, I do feel like maybe an emotional connection is blossoming, and maybe things did not get physical until after her separation announcement, but, like, there is some sort of pull between the two of them. And I also feel like Amanda's reactions to things that Sierra is saying about west are starting to change. Or maybe I'll have to go rewatch the old ones. But, like, I.

[Jackson Claude]

Maybe she was always.

[Claudia]

Or we just, like, you know, the benefit of, like, hindsight, and we're like, oh, I see it on your face. You're not happy for her.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, because I feel like some of the things from last night's episode, people are making more of, like, the text about the best weekend ever. I know what Amanda's saying. Like, oh, everyone's having the best weekend ever, and I'm not there. Like, and I didn't think it was like, west, you're having fun without me. I didn't think that. I just thought it was like, the weekend I decided not to come. Everybody starts having fun. Like, excuse me. I know what you meant by that. So I do think people are looking into it, into some things more than others.

[Claudia]

That some people do need to ask themselves why it was the best night ever.

[Jackson Claude]

Like, which people? Kyle?

[Claudia]

No, like, yeah. It's not a coincidence.

[Jackson Claude]

I just want to say loving Kyle. Like, seriously loving Kyle.

[Claudia]

It's not a coincidence. She's been there every weekend. They go out one time without her, and it's the best night ever.

[Jackson Claude]

She is fabissina, obviously.

[Claudia]

Yeah, she.

[Jackson Claude]

I don't think that's the energy, like, you really want to be around whether you're a friend or your husband.

[Claudia]

So funny how, like, before West Mandevalt, when Kyle said, like, I'm having the best weekend ever, and it's because my wife's not here, like, yelling at me, like, people would be like. And I was like, you're right, she's terrible.

[Jackson Claude]

She is the problem.

[Claudia]

So you just can't take anything seriously.

[Jackson Claude]

But it is relatively sweet that in his own way, like, he does still publicly defend Amanda. Like, even that tweet that you were just referencing is like, yeah, you are sleeping with my ex wife. But, like, and you don't. And he's still defending her, being like, you're not even, like, gonna have her back.

[Claudia]

Yeah, he def.

[Jackson Claude]

Based on the clips, it definitely sound like he hung her the out to dry. And when we think about their crimes, her crime is worse. She does have more to answer for, I think also as a woman, like, people just expect more of you.

[Claudia]

They expect you be smarter and like, to not operate, like, follow your horniness wherever it takes you.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah, that's what men do. And, like, why they're low IQ individuals. Like, we expect women to just, like, control better, to control themselves, to do better, to honor friendships, to. To. To live by some sort of moral code. And it's clear, based on what we know about Wes, he doesn't do that ever. So we expect very little of him. The bar is in hell.

[Claudia]

And he told us that about himself multiple times.

[Jackson Claude]

Multiple times. So she does get more of the heat. But you would want your boyfriend. I can't believe she left with him. I would. Seriously, like, you hung me out to dry and we're living together, but she's gonna Fight with. They have to. Yeah. No, they have to. Sorry. They have to. They only have each other.

[Claudia]

Like, and, like, she did all of this for him.

[Jackson Claude]

I've been seeing also some clips of Jesse Solomon on tour, and I just want to say I'm also having a change of heart. Like, I love him. I think we should all stream his music. Like, I feel bad for him. Like, and the music thing is cute. It is.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Yes. I'll start.

[Claudia]

And he just owes Lexi an apology and then we can really.

[Jackson Claude]

Oh, I forgot about Lexi. Thank you. I'm back to hating him.

[Claudia]

And the thing is. No, it's like, people can make mistakes. Sure. And I can move on from it, but, like, no one acknowledges that, like, wrongdoing was done to her. So until we acknowledge it and at least apologize, we'll never make it right. Because, like, I just want to say

[Jackson Claude]

everybody in the house owes Lexi an apology, not just Jesse.

[Claudia]

I agree. I agree completely.

[Jackson Claude]

Loving Sabrina and Ben. And like, Ben being so giddy. Oh, that was weird. Like, why is he so personally invested in west and Sierra? Is it because Sierra and Sabrina are becoming friendly and he's excited about him and Wes, like, maybe double dating? Like, don't you feel like the two of them are a little too personally, like, invested and excited in the two of them?

[Claudia]

Oh, maybe I miss X. I was doing some, like, personal admin on my computer during the soft bar opening, but I. My take was just like, Sabrina, like, is just enthusiastic in general.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And does really like Sierra, so. And you know, west is his buddy, so, like, he's just down for. I think he's just down for whatever Sabrina says is a good idea.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay.

[Claudia]

You know.

[Jackson Claude]

Okay.

[Claudia]

What a weird one that guy is. Like.

[Jackson Claude]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Came on like Bachelor of Australia, like,

[Jackson Claude]

well, so a lot of people just based on the timeline, there is a conspiracy going around that, like, him and Sabrina, like, weren't seeing each other before, but just, like, to get himself on the show and like, to be a little bit more attractive to viewers or to the castmates. He played single and then brought his girlfriend in and now she's a full time cast member and I love her. Yeah.

[Claudia]

That doesn't bother me at all.

[Jackson Claude]

No. Do what you have to do.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

But it does sound like a. A likely theory.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Because remember last season's Bailey got, like, kicked off for hiding boyfriend.

[Jackson Claude]

Right. Maybe she just didn't play her cards right.

[Claudia]

Or maybe like, her boyfriend wasn't as interesting as Sabrina.

[Jackson Claude]

And then Levi's like, throwing a party for Bailey.

[Claudia]

I can't actually listen to you say call her Levi. Because, like, because, like, I'm just like, wait, Levi's having a party. Wait, Wen's Levi's party.

[Jackson Claude]

Power Rangers theme.

[Claudia]

So, like, it's like, it's.

[Jackson Claude]

That's where namesake becomes confusing.

[Claudia]

Yeah, but I think that's where that's like, that's.

[Jackson Claude]

That's the beauty.

[Claudia]

That's like when you like, push through. That's where you get right from the time.

[Jackson Claude]

The challenging time times.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

So all in all, it was actually a boring episode. And week Watch Happens Live was like, not salacious.

[Claudia]

Oh, Lindsay's wearing the. The.

[Jackson Claude]

The

[Claudia]

what? Yeah, explain.

[Jackson Claude]

Like west, when this was on Watch Happens Live, he wore this, like, horse hair tie that, like, was just him being quirky. And it was made by this girl who's like, based in Chicago. And that was the episode where he just died. Ball face line, like, really to everyone. And turns out that the girl who makes the ties is like the Chicago based designer who west was actually seeing. She's one of the girls. Remember when Amanda was saying, you know, and it wasn't right because obviously I was still technically married and Wes was still seeing other people. I don't know if he's still seeing other people, but she's one of the girls people put together. They found her Instagram that she wore as a tie and he wore the tie and whatever. So I guess Lindsay's just like wearing the tie.

[Claudia]

She said, like, dad, she's seeing a girl's girl. Which girl?

[Jackson Claude]

I'm not sure actually.

[Claudia]

I guess that's tea. But like the. It was really.

[Jackson Claude]

I could tell Andy hated it.

[Claudia]

And it's really ugly and distracting to look at. Like, it like ruined her outfit.

[Jackson Claude]

I agree. It's like pubes.

[Claudia]

It's just like a horse's tail.

[Jackson Claude]

It's disgusting.

[Claudia]

So I. I don't know that the point was well made, but I won't question anything Lindsay does.

[Jackson Claude]

Mother Hubbard does. Agreed.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, that is your summer house recap. That is our show.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackson Claude]

Well, the place looks beautiful. It always does.

[Claudia]

How did we ever end without that? Like, what did we used to say?

[Jackson Claude]

You know, so much listening to the testimony morning show. We deliver fastest every Monday. YouTube watching us on YouTube. Please feel free to subscribe. Give us a thumbs up. We're also available as podcast everywhere. Podcast to be found. So Spotify 2 sister public radiocast box all the places I've been listening to podcast Faster. Toastly Star review about a beautiful setting and wickedly talented. We are.

[Claudia]

Love you. Bye.