Love is Buffering: Tuesday, October 7th, 2025

Summary

Podcast Episode Summary

Podcast: The Toast
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Episode: Love is Buffering: Tuesday, October 7th, 2025
Date: October 7, 2025
Timecodes in [MM:SS] format

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Overview:

The October 7th episode of The Toast with Jackie and Claudia Oshry is a quintessentially chaotic, candid catch-up covering everything from sibling reunions and eventful panels to TV recaps (with a heavy focus on the new Love is Blind season), pop culture relationship news, and their ever-popular "Dear Toasters" advice segment. The hosts riff on influencer culture, celebrity gossip, and their personal lives in their trademark witty, unfiltered style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Panel Life, Sibling Surprises, and Vlogging (00:45–05:09)

• Claudia recaps her “busiest day ever,” vlogged for Patreon, centered on speaking at Advertising Week. She appears on a star-heavy podcasting panel flanked by Love Islanders and, amusingly, Kevin Bacon (“Kira Sedgwick’s husband”).
  • Quote: "I also walked through a little bit, like my pumping feeding schedule because I get a lot of questions about that, the toast scheduling." — Claudia (02:18)
• Sister Sighting: Claudia ended up with both sisters Olivia and Sachi (surprise appearance), making Jackie feel left out but understanding given her own commitments.
  • “[It’s] a really weird feeling to see your three sisters together and you’re not there. It’s disgusting.” — Jackie (04:32)

2. Creator Life Realness (01:24–03:14, 03:19–04:53)

• Claudia reflects on the curation of “Day in My Life” vlogs—people only show the busiest, most interesting days.
• Jackie and Claudia joke about having to “mother” and how creators (themselves included) aren’t “like other creators”:
  • “The fact that you’re sharing that with us is why you’re not like other creators...” — Jackie (01:44)
  • Claudia is transparent about most days being routine, not high-flying.

3. Love Island and Meeting Nick (05:23–06:35)

• Claudia unexpectedly meets Love Island stars she’s previously critiqued. Meeting Nick in person changes her opinion:
  • “Let me tell you, I understand, like, everything differently now. First of all, he was so tall, so handsome, so lovely.” (05:29)
• Jackie, ever the Love Island judge:
  • “Just not right, what he did to Sierra.” (06:20)

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4. Love Is Blind Season Recap and The Colorado Cast (07:25–13:03)

• The new Love is Blind season is causing existential worry about Colorado as a whole.
• Claudia: “Love is Blind always ends up being like a referendum on the city in which it’s filmed. It tells you a lot about the young people who live there, the dating scene, and the overall well-being of those who lived there.” (08:05)
• The hosts reminisce about previous seasons, especially Chicago, Atlanta, and North Carolina—“This group of people are representing Colorado extremely poorly.” (09:18)
• Both hosts admit to watching through "blurry WiFi" (“Love is buffering”), multitasking, and barely knowing the contestants’ names. "I literally couldn't pick any of these people out of a lineup. I've watched the entire season blurry." — Claudia (12:18)

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5. Pop Culture & Relationship Updates (18:40–23:14)

a. Taylor Swift on Jimmy Fallon

• Taylor brings her signature high-energy, addresses (generally tame) rumors, and discusses why she wouldn't perform at the Super Bowl while Travis Kelce is still playing.
  • “She said, we talked to Jay Z and... when it’s Travis is playing football, like, it’s life or death... I’m not just going to be like working on my choreo while Travis is, like, doing, like, having an existential crisis.” — Jackie (19:37)
  • Claudia addresses feminist backlash to Taylor’s new “trad wife” vibes.
• Debate over Taylor’s look and speculation about cosmetic work:
  • Jackie introduces the “blonde hair to distract from surgery” theory. Claudia praises the theory’s accuracy. (21:31–22:15)
• Amusing speculation over what they’d do if they saw Taylor in the wild—“I would stare so hard just in the hopes of making eye contact, and give, like, a little, like, a respectful smirk.” — Claudia (23:30)

b. Madison Beer & Justin Herbert New Couple

• Jackie and Claudia discuss the endless fascination with the “pop star + football player” pairing trend. (29:01)
• Discussion slowly devolves into which NFL teams feel “real” or “AI-generated” and how main-character status is determined in the league.

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6. Instagram Creator Awards: Instagram Rings (36:00–39:56)

• Announcement of Instagram’s new “Rings” award for 25 top platform creators (exclusive digital and physical ring).
  • Claudia: “I just hope it doesn’t become one of those things where it’s like, okay, we’re giving it to Kim Kardashian. Like, okay, you know what I mean? Like, it should be people who actually, like, create.” (37:16)
• The hosts riff on influencers who could/should win, acknowledging the challenge of distinguishing “Instagram-first” creators.

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7. J.Lo & Ben Affleck Red Carpet Reunion (40:05–43:31)

• Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck appear together for “Kiss of the Spider Woman” premiere, sparking predictable tabloid questions about their relationship.
• Claudia notes J.Lo’s new look after a period of lying low—“She also got a new face. She looks insane.” (41:16)
• The hosts are unimpressed by J.Lo’s recent filmography post-Hustlers, calling her projects “fake movies” or “peepee poo poo version of movies.” (41:49)

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8. Love is Blind: Extended TV Recap (47:37–64:49)

[Deep dive into new Love is Blind season, focusing on:

• Casey and Patrick’s messy public split
  • Claudia cynically dismantles Casey’s post-breakup defense: “She got engaged, and she was not pleased with his looks... So she, like, made up this, like, you know, she was, you know, crisis having crisis. Right... It felt so calculated, like she was clearly not into his looks.” (49:30)
  • Jackie: “Her biggest regret... was gaslighting. And that’s her biggest regret, I guess, because she didn’t want to say the thing she really... just was confusing because she was trying to protect him.” (51:35)
• Other Couples:
  • Madison & Joe: Disaster, highlighted by drunken arguments and insecurity spirals.
  • Sparkle Megan & Jordan: Class and spending differences, dynamic compared to Amber & Barnett (season 1).
  • Annie & Nick: Possibly the only functional couple, but skeletons about to come out.
  • Anton & Ally, Calambria & Edmund: More drama, “ick” moments, and even discussions around periods aired on TV.
• Meta Take: The show is now so open about intimacy and dysfunction that the whole experiment feels even more wild than before.
  • “This show is insane. And this particular season is making me realize, like, how crazy the concept is.” — Claudia (61:49)
  • “It does feel like we do... have a season on our hands where... there are no marriages...” — Claudia (62:21)

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9. Dear Toasters: Weekly Advice (64:49–74:49)

Three advice letters covered:

1. Late-night athlete dating:
   • “You are just a booty call to this guy.” — Claudia (66:09)
   • “Sometimes you stick around long enough and you’re the last girl standing.” — Jackie (66:50)
2. Nannying disaster (burnt oven mitt):
   • “You’ll come off, like, looking really honest. If she has, like, a camera and she sees you... putting an oven mitt in your purse, like, that's not an amazing look.” — Claudia (70:28)
3. Boyfriend with suspicious YouTube subscriptions:
   • “[If] your boyfriend has uttered the words James Charles ate down, it’s a safe bet [he's gay].” — Jackie (72:15)
   • “Ask him about it straight up. And you'll know by the way when you bring it up.” — Claudia (73:45)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I literally couldn't pick any of these people out of a lineup. I've watched the entire season blurry.” — Claudia on watching Love is Blind (12:18)
• “Did you say something only a man could?” — Jackie, referencing Taylor’s lyricism and their shared worldview (24:31)
• “Love is buffering.” — Jackie, summarizing not just their tech struggles but the endless frustration with dating shows (12:27)
• “Give everything to Alex Earl. But, like, she’s not an ins... She’s an influencer. But, like, not because of Instagram.” — Claudia on influencer-platform loyalty (38:12)
• “Your boyfriend’s gay.” — Claudia, bluntly in Dear Toasters segment (72:09)
• “There’s just two different types of people in this world. Like, people who turn off the sink when they brush their teeth, and people who don’t. And I don’t think people from different groups can marry one another honestly.” — Claudia on eco-battles in relationships (56:22)
• “If she has, like, a camera and she sees you... putting an oven mitt in your purse, like, that's not an amazing look.” — Claudia, giving nanny advice (70:28)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |----------------------------------------------------------|------------| | Opening, Busy day/panel/vlog recap | 00:00–05:09| | Sister surprise at event | 03:39–05:09| | Love Island/Meeting Nick | 05:23–06:35| | Love Is Blind/Colorado recap | 07:25–13:03| | Taylor Swift on Fallon & Relationship Analysis |18:40–24:29 | | Instagram “Rings” creator awards |36:00–39:56 | | J.Lo & Ben Affleck red carpet |40:05–43:31 | | Love is Blind: Deep TV recap |47:37–64:49 | | Dear Toasters: Advice Segment |64:49–74:49 |

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Tone and Language

Conversational, irreverent, occasionally savage but always playful, Jackie and Claudia riff with insider candor, self-deprecation, and tongue-in-cheek pop culture references throughout.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode of The Toast is a whirlwind tour through sisterhood drama, influencer events, dating show disasters, NFL gossip, Taylor Swift analysis, and pointed listener counsel. The wide-ranging discussion, punctuated by rapid-fire wit and the sisters’ palpable chemistry, offers equal parts entertainment and surprisingly sharp takes on relationships, reality TV, and modern culture. Even if you missed the episode, this summary includes all the highlights, laughs, quotes, and context—you’re fully caught up, no buffering required.

Transcript

[Jackie]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[Claudia]

It's your favorite show, the best five.

[Jackie]

Things you need to know.

[Claudia]

We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.

[Jackie]

They sound amazing.

[Claudia]

Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Tuesday. Hey, Jax, how you doing today?

[Jackie]

Darn good. Happy Tuesday to you.

[Claudia]

Let her to you and all who celebrate.

[Jackie]

To all who celebrate Tuesdays, which I think is everyone. It's a pretty inoffensive day. Made it through Monday. Dancing with the Stars tonight. We'll take it.

[Claudia]

Oh, that's true. I forgot that Tuesdays are now my new favorite day.

[Jackie]

Yeah, they're now lit up by the stars.

[Claudia]

You're looking like a sad, beige pregnant woman. So chic.

[Jackie]

Well, I thank you very much. Wearing my favorite Gap maternity set that I now have in three colors, and I don't know how I lived before it.

[Claudia]

Oh, you know what's wrong? What ails you, but what isn't wrong, you know?

[Jackie]

What doesn't ail you?

[Claudia]

Oh, I'm just, like, picking up my life and moving across the country because my husband asked me to. I'm literally the most amazing wife ever. It's insane. I feel sick.

[Jackie]

Well, ain't that the truth. Shout out to the wives.

[Claudia]

Literally.

[Jackie]

How was your big event last night? Big businesswoman things.

[Claudia]

Thank you for bringing that up. So yesterday, I had the busiest day of my life, and I decided to vlog it. Just so, you know, make it harder and more busy. And it's already up on the Patreon, so. Day in my life, you know? And it's important to remember whenever you're watching someone's Day in the Life vlog, like, they're choosing the best day to vlog. I think that all the time, when I see people being, like, spend the morning with me, and it's like, well, you clearly just, like, had a busy morning. I know you lay around most of.

[Jackie]

The time anyway, and I. I do. Obviously, that's what you did. But, like, the fact that you're sharing that with us is why you're not like other creators and why.

[Claudia]

And I said in the vlog a thousand times, like, no days are like this, because if you watch the vlog, you're like, when does this bitch see her kid? Like, I was so busy. Let me tell you, I spent all day, every day with my kid. I yesterday just, like, had the busiest day, so I vlogged it.

[Jackie]

Right?

[Claudia]

Not all days are like that. Like, I mostly do the toast and mother you know, that's most of my, my days.

[Jackie]

And look, not like other creators acting like this is every day doing a panel, crushing it.

[Claudia]

I spoke at an event. I don't want to spoil the vlog. So it's on patreon.com toast right now. But there was, it was kind of a star studded panel. I was sandwiched between a Snapchat panel hosted by Snapchat featuring Jeremiah and Nick from Love Island. Then it was me, Ben and Michael Bostic talking about the business of podcasting. And then right after me, right, right after me was Kevin Bacon, Kira Sedgwick's husband. So I got to the green room and like Nick and Jeremiah were leaving and I was like, I don't want to spoil the vlog, but we did have an interaction. They are in my vlog, which I appreciated. And then when I got back from my panel, sweating my ass off. Who's sitting on the couch next to my purse? Sir Kevin Bacon. So it was really just like a star studded afternoon. Like I said, none of my days are like this. It was a special day. I also walked through a little bit, like my pumping feeding schedule because I get a lot of questions about that, the toast scheduling. So feel free to check that out.

[Jackie]

I'm excited to watch it. I haven't had a chance yet and it's on my content plate.

[Claudia]

And I knew I was going to vlog it when I found out that Olivia was going to be in. So I spoke at this, like, big conference called Advertising Week that Olivia happened to be at, just like she is her own week for her own, you know, work. And once I knew she was going to be in town, I knew I had to vlog it because something about Olivia, like, people just like, they didn't even want to see me. They wanted. They were like the comments more Olivia.

[Jackie]

Did we get bits and bobs from the panel?

[Claudia]

You did get bits and bobs from the panel because my social media manager, Satchel was also at the conference. She showed up to support her sister.

[Jackie]

You guys believe three sisters were together? I wasn't there. I had, I mean, if you had asked me, I guess I could have pieced together that my sisters were going to be together and I wasn't going to be there. But when I saw a picture of the three of you guys, I was genuinely shocked. I was like, am I in this picture? No.

[Claudia]

Why? To be to be clear, I had no idea Sachi was coming. That was a surprise. Olivia got like an extra lanyard and gave it to Her.

[Jackie]

Oh, they surprised you with Sachi?

[Claudia]

Yeah, it was a surprise sat.

[Jackie]

Okay. I didn't know she was going to be there, but yeah, she also does advertising things. So all three sisters ended up together and I was just like, how am I not there? But then I imagine how I felt and I was like, three of you? No, Like, I felt like actually, oh, okay. Of course I'm not there. Like, how could I possibly be there?

[Claudia]

But imagine how I felt when the three of you went to Rascal Plots.

[Jackie]

It's a really weird feeling to see your three sisters together.

[Claudia]

It is.

[Jackie]

And you're not there.

[Claudia]

It's disgusting.

[Jackie]

I don't experience that often because I really try to, like, be at everything.

[Claudia]

Right, right. Show up for one another.

[Jackie]

I do not like this feeling. I don't know how other sisters do it.

[Claudia]

It's terrible.

[Jackie]

It's really. But at least, like, I literally physically couldn't go. And I was invite. Invited to speak on the panel. I just like, yeah, yeah, I was supposed to be in the video.

[Claudia]

She was supposed to be in the video. To be clear. Like, the original panel was Jackie, Ben and Claudia. And Jackie, of course, could not come. And the Advertising Week folk were extremely understanding.

[Jackie]

Right, right. So at least I don't have feel, like, left out entirely.

[Claudia]

I was supposed to be in the video. That's how I felt watching Taylor Swift on Jimmy Fallon last night. Like, I literally was supposed to be in the video.

[Jackie]

Oh, my gosh, I forgot that you could have been in the video.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I had tickets to see Taylor Jimmy Fallon, and I couldn't go. I don't want to talk about it.

[Jackie]

Well, we are going to talk about.

[Claudia]

Taylor from Love Island.

[Jackie]

We are going to talk about Taylor. At least met Jeremiah. Like, you're being so soft on Nick. Like, I can't with you.

[Claudia]

Okay. Because, you know, I've actually been very hard on Nick. I've always liked Jeremiah. I was kind of a Jeremiah defender during the season. And then to run into Nick, whom I've actually been very hard on on this show. Let me tell you, I understand, like, everything differently now. First of all, he was so tall, so handsome, so lovely.

[Jackie]

I'm sure he was.

[Claudia]

And to be clear, they had.

[Jackie]

Did you see a triple insight.

[Claudia]

They had no idea who I was. Sometimes, like, you could tell somebody. It's like, oh, she has a big podcast. Like, somebody tells somebody.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Claudia]

Like whispers in your ear. And that's why I know people are being nice to me, because other than that, I'm just like, this short Girl, I'm very, like, easy to dismiss if you don't know that. I have, like, this huge podcast and it happens to me a lot. And Nick, I can tell you for certain, like, he had no idea what I was. I think he thought maybe I was like someone's assistant, you know?

[Jackie]

But he treated everyone with kindness is what you're saying.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God. He could not have been more lovely. Honestly, both of them.

[Jackie]

Just not right, what he did to Sierra.

[Claudia]

I agree.

[Jackie]

It's just not right, Jackie.

[Claudia]

I'm holding space for two truths. He just didn't give off the vibes of, like, someone who would do that to Sierra. Honestly, like, I'm not doubting, I'm just saying.

[Jackie]

Okay. I think that's useful information.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I'll add it to his file in my brain, leave a note, but it. It won't take out the other pages in the file.

[Claudia]

Okay. I'm not asking you to burn the file. Don't worry. File remains intact.

[Jackie]

But I'll take it into consideration next time I talk. Yeah, it was nice to my sister and my other sisters. All my sisters that were there, except.

[Claudia]

For me, Olivia and Margo, like, don't watch the violin. Like, they did not give a. You know, Understood. They were too cool for school.

[Jackie]

They are so cool. How are our sisters?

[Claudia]

Our sisters are really good. Actually. I saw Olivia this morning as well, because she's in town. We're just trying to spend like as much time together as possible. Yeah, she came over. She's amazing. You know, she's just like being Olivia. Which, rub it in, I imagine is a wonderful thing to be.

[Jackie]

I imagine as well. Well, job well done, Charlie. Good job. We are going to talk about Taylor on Fallon. Sorry, not you. Also finally caught up on Love is Blind. So we have a fifth and final story into TV recap where we can, like, really talk. I need to talk to you about, like, this crazy band. What is going on in Denver, you guys, they need help.

[Claudia]

What is going on at Netflix? Like, they've gotten so soft. Just like letting everyone leave and not following up.

[Jackie]

Hello, that too. But like, no, someone needs to check on these Coloradans. Like, I feel like they sort of do their own thing over there in Colorado and no one really worries about them, but I'm officially worried about the entire state.

[Claudia]

Love is Blind always ends up being like a referendum on the city in which it's filmed. It tells you a lot about like, the young people who live there, the dating scene, and just like the overall well being of those who lived here. And I feel like when we saw people, like, in Chicago the first season, I feel like it made the people of Chicago look really good. Like they all had jobs, like, they all normal. Everyone on the show was a loser. Like, you can't think about.

[Jackie]

I'm sorry. The first season of Atlanta was not loser.

[Claudia]

Oh, I'm sorry. Wait, Sorry. I was thinking first season at was Chicago. No, it was Atlanta.

[Jackie]

Chicago, shame and losers.

[Claudia]

Yes. I mean, Atlanta, Georgia, Pacific Northwest was not a good look for those people. That was.

[Jackie]

I thought North Carolina was a good look for them.

[Claudia]

I agree. Jimmy and Chelsea season there was a lot of good people, normal sound of mind people that came out of that season.

[Jackie]

Let me ask the group something. Am I the only one who constantly thinks about Jimmy and Jess and how, like, I think history would be different if he had chosen Jess? Like, when I watched this season of Love is Mine, I'm like, jimmy should have chosen Jess.

[Claudia]

Yeah. No, I do think about them a lot, but not nearly as much as you do. I know you think about them all the time.

[Jackie]

Especially when I'm watching the show, I'm like, jimmy should have chosen Jess. It would have been so happy.

[Claudia]

So having said that, I think that this group of people are representing Colorado extremely poorly. Because sometimes, like, you. You look like. Like, I think that the Pacific North Northwest people, like, were kind of weird and off.

[Jackie]

I think that people, they seemed like the elk of pnw, which I wasn't shocked to see that. I was like, okay, here we go. We're gonna get.

[Claudia]

The Chicago people were like, losers people is crazy. Like, they are crazy people.

[Jackie]

Yeah, they're an unwell group of people. Like, I've never felt like we need to check in on a state after watching A Season of Love is Fine. I'm just like, oh, that was a bad season.

[Claudia]

It honestly, like, doesn't bode well for the legalization of marijuana, because that's like, Colorado's thing, right? And it's like, look at these people. They're crazy.

[Jackie]

No. 100%. I didn't watch.

[Claudia]

And they're so. Honestly, it's so classic. Like, they're so flaky. Everyone's just, like, not showing up.

[Jackie]

No. And then when you get to the scene in the honeymoon of Joe and his. I won't say her name because I can't remember his choice.

[Claudia]

I do. It's an avenue here in New York.

[Jackie]

But I'm not going to say it because in case you didn't get there yet.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it's definitely Giving substances. Oh, yeah, it's giving substances.

[Claudia]

So we'll do a formal TV recap. That'll be our fifth and final story. And then we also have Dear Toasters today because it is Tuesday, and we would never renege on our commitment to.

[Jackie]

Tuesdays and our commitment to the toasters, our dear.

[Claudia]

And our commitment to one another never.

[Jackie]

And to shy guy who's here today.

[Claudia]

It'S the stry guy. My trip to LA is pending. Like, I'm almost there. Book studio space. I booked a couple of co hosts. I'll give a little teaser. Right. Like, just some favorites that everybody's excited about.

[Jackie]

Caesars. Yeah. Especially because they're, like, kind of down the line.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And I know they won't cancel on me because they're like my friends of mine, you know, and they have scrupled.

[Jackie]

So they're not like Colin from below deck where people could reach out to them and cancel them.

[Claudia]

Colin. You know his name.

[Jackie]

It's called Coming Back to Me.

[Claudia]

This whole time he's been, like, unnamed. Below deck, man.

[Jackie]

I think it's Colin, but I actually think it might not be. Okay, now you slept with a C like Connor.

[Claudia]

Okay, so I have booked only two people so far, but I just booked this trip two days ago. And mostly because I spoke about him yesterday. I need to discuss, like, the matter at hand with him. Justin Sylvester.

[Jackie]

Oh, okay. Great. Love.

[Claudia]

And actually, I thought about booking Fibula, who now lives in New York. Like, thanks, that helps me a lot.

[Jackie]

No, that's perfect.

[Claudia]

I've also booked Straight up with Stassi. I'm feeling straight up.

[Jackie]

I love that.

[Claudia]

I also will, of course, be having Taylor's tracker on. She is also going to be in Los Angeles, which was, like, a huge impetus for Ben and I to take this trip. Her and Taylor are also going for, like, a couple of weeks. So, yeah, I'm just like, me and my LA friends, you know, like, love booked studio time. Book the flights. I gotta get, like, all my affairs in order this week. But let me tell you, like, I was watching Love is Blind last night. I'm also having, like, a wife. Everything in my new house is broken. I'm watching Love is Blind, like, streaming on my. On my new WI Fi. I'm watching, like, a blurry. Like, I actually couldn't pick any of these people out of lineup. I've watched the entire season blurry.

[Jackie]

It has been fine for you.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God. I literally feel like that girl with the degenerative eye disease. Like, I can barely. I'm Just seeing shapes.

[Jackie]

Love is buffering.

[Claudia]

Love is buffering.

[Jackie]

That's a funny way to watch it. I've seen videos of people who, when a new season of Love Is Blind come out, they watch the pods and they cover the tv. They really try to, like, immerse themselves in the experience now. Could never be me. Will never be me.

[Claudia]

Let me tell you why, because I love that actually, like, and I. I love the immersive experience of it all. But I'm, like, watching this show, like, regretfully, like, and I'm also watching it with, like, half an eye. Right. I'm just on my phone. I'm doing literally a million other things besides actually watching it. That's why I can't remember anybody's name.

[Jackie]

By the first three couples. Like, I can't tell you if they're going to make it. I don't really know anything about them.

[Claudia]

So I couldn't be that committed.

[Jackie]

I understand.

[Claudia]

To a show I literally hate but refuse to stop watching.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And that is getting worse. Like, I don't know if they're still doing it now. Maybe in the days of yore, of Jimmy and Chelsea, maybe they were doing it.

[Claudia]

Maybe.

[Jackie]

But we'll talk about it. I just feel like.

[Claudia]

I just feel like we've been chasing the high of season one of Love Is Blind, like, since it came out.

[Jackie]

I agree. But I think, what's your second best season?

[Claudia]

Did you meet Chelsea? One, like, is really up there because so many come to mind and, like, they were mostly the ones that come to mind, like, I hate.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And then Love Is Blind UK Season one, Freddy.

[Claudia]

Of course, we will always have Love Is Blind UK season one Freddy.

[Jackie]

Freddie put this season on his back.

[Claudia]

So let's dive in because we do have a lot to do today and we, like, keep talking about Love Is Blind. So we'll just, like, do it in the fifth story.

[Jackie]

Sounds good. Without further ado, it is time for the Fast 5 stories that you do need to know.

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Oh, oh dear. I'm sorry.

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

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[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Thank you Turt exclusions.

[Claudia]

You're welcome. Jerk exclusions.

[Jackie]

Our first story, Taylor on Fallon. Very exciting. She brought her Talk show energy to the States after doing Graham Norton. And she really gave it all to Fallon. Like, did every segment, answered all the questions he asked her show. He asked her like, five room about five rumors to like, clear them up.

[Claudia]

And they were like, obviously pre approved rumors because I've never heard any of them.

[Jackie]

Like, however, no, they are. They were like subjects that were floating around. Of course not like the ones like.

[Claudia]

No, I really don't care that Ed Sheeran found out about her engagement on Instagram. Like, ask me how little I care about Ed Sheeran.

[Jackie]

Are you still friends with Blake Lively? How about that one?

[Claudia]

But I could think of a thousand other rumors before the five that Jimmy Fallon brought up. But I understand, I understand.

[Jackie]

No, listen, he's a company man, so he asked her about did Ed Sheeran really find out about her engagement on Instagram? The answer was yes. He asked about Selena Gomez's wedding. Like, did you really say, like, you're getting. You made it to the altar before me? She said, no. She.

[Claudia]

I didn't hear that. That wasn't a rumor that I heard.

[Jackie]

Like, she made a speech and she did make a speech and she talked about, like the speech that she made. She was asked about the Super Bowl. Good question. She explained that, like, she said, we talked to Jay Z and we said, like, when it's Travis is playing football, like, it's life or death. Like, he's seeing his life out there. Like, I'm not just going to be like working on my choreo while Travis.

[Claudia]

Is, like, doing like, having an existential crisis.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I just wish he then asked, so what was with the Easter eggs in New Heights?

[Claudia]

Yes, of course.

[Jackie]

What was with 47? What was with Sourdough? What was with Shiny Bug Collection?

[Claudia]

So people are already like, pulling their hair out that, like their feminist queen Taylor wrote like a whole album about her man, his dick and how she just like, wants to have babies and get married and like, you know, settle down. She wanted to girl boss and now she wants to settle down. And that's obviously like sending people like through a loop saying she's like trad wifing even though it's just like the evolution of. And I think them hearing her saying that she's not ever going to do like this big opportunity because of her man. Like, I think that they're not going to be okay. Although I don't. Like, I could see how that's someone's takeaway. Right? Like, your man is not letting you. But it's actually like a really lovely thing for her to do and say, like, she couldn't really ever do it while Travis is playing because she's so invested in his career as much as he is in hers. It's actually really sweet.

[Jackie]

No, and she's invested like in the season and she has to be like completely football agnostic if she's going to be doing this Super Bowl. And so what I heard her say with my two ears is that when Travis retires, it's an option. Of course not that, like, I'm never doing it because my husband doesn't let me out of the house. So if that's what you heard, that's.

[Claudia]

What some people are taking from it.

[Jackie]

They like to call projection.

[Claudia]

Now, also, the most shocking thing about her appearance on Fallon, and I couldn't put my finger on it at first, but she looks so different because she was wearing a red lip which, like, I hate to like look too much into. But, like, what, what would be the reason? She's always wearing like a very bright red lip. Sometimes she goes like a little bit more coral, but she's wearing like a full on nude.

[Jackie]

Nude.

[Claudia]

Yeah, like, and she never wears nude.

[Jackie]

Here's a theory, Take it for what you will. You know the blonde hair theory. Like, celebrities go blonde when they've had work done to distract from the fact that they've had work done. And by the time they go dark again, you don't realize what's changed. You think it's just their hair.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Now on Graham Norton, she did look like a little bit like she had.

[Claudia]

A tune up, a little nip and tuck. Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I think it was more evident there because she was wearing her classic glam.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Nothing had changed.

[Claudia]

Yep.

[Jackie]

And now for this, you think, oh, she looks different because she's not wearing red lip. And by the time red lip comes out, you're used to the new face. Now, I'm not saying that's what happened here, but that's just a, like, that's a possibility.

[Claudia]

It's a great theory. I just want to say, like, kudos to you on that theory. I wasn't expecting you to answer my question, like, so perfectly.

[Jackie]

Well, it's working too, because now we're like, oh, yeah, she does look different. She looks amazing. Like, she looked like. I love the arm, the dress, but like the tonage.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

It's giving toned.

[Claudia]

I mean, she's so. You can't do the eras tour and like not be in the best shape ever. And she's, she's so strong.

[Jackie]

Yeah. She looks like, just strong and healthy.

[Claudia]

And, you know, like, her and Travis just, like, do sprints in the backyard.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that's really crazy. But they also eat good, and that's, I think, like, they. I mean, of course, like, sourdough, but I. They're always at, like, party restaurants.

[Claudia]

They were at Cipriani. I heard a friend of mine was there. I'm like, I was saying to somebody, like, she was like, oh, my sister was at Chipriani downtown last night. Taylor Travis were there with her parents. And, like, my first gut instinct is, like, so jealous. Like, oh, I wish I was there. I can't even feel that way anymore. I don't leave my house. Like, how can I expect. Was Taylor going to come over? Like, I'm not going to see her.

[Jackie]

She will come over.

[Claudia]

Like, I can't feel jealous. Like, I literally don't leave my house.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And even if you saw her at a restaurant, I think it would be, like, really confusing for you because what would you do? Nothing.

[Claudia]

No, what? I actually know what I would do. I'm glad you brought that up. I would stare so hard just in the hopes of making eye contact, and give, like, a little, like, a respectful smirk. That's what I would do.

[Jackie]

Okay, you know what?

[Claudia]

You. And then maybe. And then maybe she would make a respectful smirk as back, just to be, like, nice, because she's a nice girl. And then she'd be like, oh, it's the girl from the toast. I love that podcast. I think that's how.

[Jackie]

All right, I forgot that she's a toaster.

[Claudia]

100.

[Jackie]

She's 100. Toaster.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Even though she's, like, sending out PR packages and we didn't get but.

[Jackie]

Right. And I don't know. She puts up with me.

[Claudia]

I don't know. I think she doesn't want us to know she's a toaster.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but there's a lot of. Well, either it's that she's a toaster because there are a lot of, like, breadcrumbs on the album on New Heights. A lot of things that she says that are just so toast coded. Not Toast originals, but toast coded. So it's either that she doesn't want us to know she's a toaster, but she is. Or, like, we're just so simpatico with her. Like, we're just living the same life. Like.

[Claudia]

Like we would be friends.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like, we say the same things, we talk the same way. Like, girl boss. Too close to the sun. Sourdough this that, you know, we're just like living parallel lives.

[Claudia]

Did your girl boss too close to the sun?

[Jackie]

Did you say something only a man could? Yeah. By the way, I've been listening to the album Unclean. Best album ever.

[Claudia]

That's funny.

[Jackie]

No, seriously, like all like the cringy like things that were bothering people. Like gone. I'm obsessed, right?

[Claudia]

It's a. It's a life hack.

[Jackie]

I need to try it for Breener.

[Claudia]

Yes, you do.

[Jackie]

Except breeder's raunchiness. Like is doesn't bother me. That's always been a part of the package. Like that's what I signed up for when I signed up.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Yeah. Eyes wide open.

[Jackie]

Don't forget skin.

[Claudia]

Who could. A lot of people. Yeah. By the way, could I ask you a question? Could you sing Skin right now? Like, do you know what it sounds like?

[Jackie]

And he's on mine.

[Claudia]

Okay. Because I feel like we reference it a lot and I tell you I couldn't even sing the song. Like I don't even know it.

[Jackie]

Like it's not like it's not like a catchy song. It's more like slam poetry, you know?

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Should we play is it our annual playing of Skin and.

[Claudia]

No, it's kind of like better. It's better not knowing.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But Skin was the original stream Skin by Sabrina. Also a little more Taylor news was that apparently like when she was on Graham Norton show there was a moment that was cut out. Have you seen this from Jody Turner Smith?

[Claudia]

No.

[Jackie]

So apparently she asked her like an insensitive question because Jody Turner Smith asked Taylor like an insensitive question on Graham Norton show and like Graham shut it down and cut it out. It's not that crazy. But they did cut it out. Someone in the audience shared what happened.

[Claudia]

Oh, I was gonna say how do.

[Jackie]

We know they were talk. Someone in the audience made a tick tock. They were talking about the wedding and then Jody was like, and what about babies? And Taylor just. I don't know if she assumed or she redirected was so smart. She thought she was talking about like babies at the wedding.

[Claudia]

She was like, right.

[Jackie]

She was like, oh no, it's gonna be 18 plus only. And then she was like, no, like about having like do you want to have babies? And then Graham was like, this feels like an off air conversation.

[Claudia]

Wait, that's really weird. Like for another woman to ask.

[Jackie]

I know. Well, two things. One, that was like before we heard Wishlist. So actually maybe Taylor would have been happy to answer it and been like streaming.

[Claudia]

I guess we don't know how Taylor felt about it because Graham shut it down.

[Jackie]

But then also, they're reporting that she sent a sweet message to Taylor. After that moment, she, like, wrote her a letter on Instagram.

[Claudia]

I don't want to give JTS like, a pitch. He probably already has one for, like.

[Jackie]

Her thing getting cut out.

[Claudia]

So. Vanessa Lachey.

[Jackie]

But, like, it's not so crazy. Like, I know it's un.

[Claudia]

We just.

[Jackie]

And we're not doing it.

[Claudia]

Are you living in this world?

[Jackie]

We're not doing it. We're certainly not doing it publicly on a TV show with a person that's.

[Claudia]

Like, not our best friend and who's notoriously private.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's a very personal question. We're not doing it.

[Claudia]

Just so you know, I'm gonna give Jody Turner Smith the benefit of the doubt here and just assume she was.

[Jackie]

Really nervous, like, but, like, yeah, maybe she got lost. She forgot about the camera. She thinks she's, like, talking to a friend who just got engaged, talking about her wedding. Like, and. And, yeah. Next comes baby in the baby carriage. Like, I understand, like, why her mind went there. It's not so crazy, but we're not doing it.

[Claudia]

I understand why her mind went there. I don't know why her mouth went there. Like, seriously crazy. It's crazy. I just know she, like, wants to die, you know, it's just, like, so awkward.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

So that's just why I love Tick Tock. Because we never would have known that.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story?

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

A little more sports news. Major sports news. Madison Beer and Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert confirmed their romance with sideline PDA ahead of the commander's game.

[Claudia]

I saw the video. I'm supposed to be in the video.

[Jackie]

Instead. You saw it.

[Claudia]

I know everyone's gonna unline this and be like, you're lying. I hate you. But I was supposed to be in the video.

[Jackie]

Madison Beer took her relationship to the sidelines, which is where, like, you either are or you are in, like, if you're not on the sidelines, as basically.

[Claudia]

Like, what if you're, like, an actor, like, a musician? It's like walking a red carpet.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like, you're not. If you're not on the carpet, like, you're not in the movie. If you're not on the sideline, like, you're not in this man's life. And she very much is. He's kissing her on the mouth in front of the public. They're very much together. Like, I need them to last forever.

[Claudia]

I just Love the po. The trope of pop star and football player, obviously. Taylor and Travis, Josh Allen and Hailee Steinfeld, who's an actress but also a pop star. Sierra and Russell Wilson. Like, this will never not be just, like, the cutest thing ever, but also.

[Jackie]

Just, like, football player. And they don't even have to be pop star. Like Tom and Giselle.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Just like Pargie.

[Jackie]

Because I was watching the game last night, Travis's game. His team lost.

[Claudia]

Did he win?

[Jackie]

No.

[Claudia]

You're kidding.

[Jackie]

No. And it was like. It was. It was close. And they lost to the Jaguars, Jacksonville.

[Claudia]

And I feel like they're not, like, moving the needle. The Jack. I never hear about them.

[Jackie]

No, me neither. I feel like there are a lot of teams that are, like, it's never about them.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Like the Colts.

[Claudia]

I feel like there are a lot of football teams. Yeah. That give, like, a minor league, but they're in the major league.

[Jackie]

They're, like, not main characters. Like Browns. I feel like. Well, they're like, main characters in terms of being, like, the loser. Like, you know.

[Claudia]

Yeah, okay, fine. I have one. And people are not going to like this one. But, like, you're telling me that the Carolina Panthers are not a minor league team. I don't believe it's.

[Jackie]

There are so many, like, random teams that are only there to, like, support the big teams. Like, they. They're. They're never going to win something. Like.

[Claudia]

Yeah, they're basically, like, AI. Generated at this point. Like, and it's crazy because, like, I feel that way, like, about the Atlanta Falcons, even though, like, my only real connection to them is Cory Biermann.

[Jackie]

No, even.

[Claudia]

And they're, like, a big town.

[Jackie]

I always just, like, think of the Colts, the Tennessee Titans.

[Claudia]

Okay, the Tennessee Titans are a fake team.

[Jackie]

The Arizona Cardinals.

[Claudia]

I actually would argue, like, most teams in the NFL are, like, supporting roles, aside from, like, the big teams, which are obviously, like, the Eagles, the Chiefs, the Giants, and the jets, even though they both stink. Like, they're New York teams. Like, they're just big. The 49ers, the Rams. The rest are just kind of giving. Irrelevant.

[Jackie]

Yeah, the Cowboys are very relevant, even though they're not, like, good all the time.

[Claudia]

Yes, agreed. What about, like, the Broncos? They're. They're, like, mid level. They're mid.

[Jackie]

They're mid. They have Joe Blue. Joe Burrow.

[Claudia]

No, no. He plays for a different orange team. Just give me a second. It'll come to me. What team does he play on?

[Jackie]

Bang.

[Claudia]

Orange Bangles, by the way. With the exception of Joe Burrow. So supportive.

[Jackie]

We're all like, yeah, but they did make it to the super bowl, so they. They were, like, a major supporting actor.

[Claudia]

That's another, like, couple. Olivia Tick Tocker and Joe Burrow. So cute.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Olivia culpo and Christian McCaffrey, of course. Yeah. You could either be, like, a main character in the NFL by being really good and winning, like, the Kansas City Chiefs, or by being from, like, a major city and, like, you're a staple to the country. Because the Kansas City Chiefs, like, otherwise might have fallen into this trope of randoms.

[Claudia]

No, because, like, Patrick.

[Jackie]

No, because he's amazing.

[Claudia]

Right, right, right, right.

[Jackie]

Like, they're there having a celebrity connection.

[Claudia]

If I was, like, a team owner, I would have more, like, cocktail mixer soirees with, like, famous people. You know what I mean? I think it's really good for team morale, team PR and overall team success.

[Jackie]

Well, that's what I was thinking about Trevor Lawrence last night because he's really handsome. Like, he. He just has a face like a supermodel. But they caught him picking his nose on the camera. It was so wrong. He was, like, sitting on the sidelines watching the game. That's so aggressively me as a quarterback. Change a camera. Like, he's allowed. I think his.

[Claudia]

I just want to say it's definitely on Twitter.

[Jackie]

I don't even know if it was a remarkable moment, because I imagine it happens a lot. I just happen to be watching and I, like. As an empath. No, no.

[Claudia]

When I search Trevor Lawrence, the first thing that comes up is Trevor Lawrence rushing. Trevor Lawrence knows Trevor Lawrence picking nose. Be right back.

[Jackie]

This is something that he does often. Maybe he has, you know, sinus.

[Claudia]

No, this is. Okay. Oh. Oh, my God. He's really. Wait. I just want to say there's something really crazy about somebody who picks their nose with their thumb.

[Jackie]

He has a.

[Claudia]

What the.

[Jackie]

I think he's got a big nostril. Picking with a thumb.

[Claudia]

No. That's weird. Like, everybody. Index finger. Everyone knows that. I don't know.

[Jackie]

I don't go. I. I think I'm a thumb when I have to pick my nose.

[Claudia]

Oh, no.

[Jackie]

What happened?

[Claudia]

Verizon called me. I missed the call. I mean, I told you my wi Fi sucks. I seriously can't wait. Of course they call me. I work. Like, seriously, I'm offline for one hour.

[Jackie]

I know. That's happened to me. Yesterday, I was waiting on two calls, and they both came through during the toast. But don't worry, I declined them. And ruined my life for you guys.

[Claudia]

For the sake of the podcast. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Anyway, so I was thinking about Joe Burrow. No, I wasn't. I was thinking about Trevor Lawrence, and I don't know if he has a girlfriend, but he needs a lady love. And it's like, Jackie, not only does.

[Claudia]

He have a girlfriend, it's like his OG girlfriend from high school. They're married, and they just had a baby.

[Jackie]

Okay, take back what I said.

[Claudia]

It's, like, super cute. And I just want to, like, quickly rewind, like, you saying that he's insanely handsome. I actually, like, don't agree.

[Jackie]

What do you mean? He has a face like a supermodel. Like, he looks like he's an interesting look. Like.

[Claudia]

Okay, I agree. He's very abstract.

[Jackie]

Like, he definitely Greek God. Like, like a. Like a. Yeah, like, I could see.

[Claudia]

Him if it didn't work out for him in football. He, like, stayed in his hometown, like, working at a pharmacy or something. Like him getting scouted at the pharmacy to, like, do Fashion Week. Yeah, Very interesting. Yeah. High fashion. He's got a very chiseled, structured face.

[Jackie]

He's not yet. He's not like, the heartthrob, the OB obvious.

[Claudia]

It's not like Brad Pitt.

[Jackie]

No, but he looks like a supermodel. Yeah, that's what I meant. If fashion. Like, he's got the look, the cheekbones, the eyes, that jersey. And I think this is a new team for him. That color was really bringing out his eyes on the jersey.

[Claudia]

This is what I don't understand about football. And this is like, what happened with Tim Tebow. It's like Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence. Like, I hear so much about them, these big quarterbacks. Like, they never win. Like, we're never talking about them. So why are they so popular? Like, they can't be that good.

[Jackie]

I know, but I guess it's, like, more than a quarterback. But actually, it's not because Tom Brady went to a random team and won.

[Claudia]

The super bowl one year in one day. Yeah.

[Jackie]

So it's like, you could just be a good quarterback and take the team all the way.

[Claudia]

Right. So they get these huge contracts. We're, like, always talking about them. But seriously, why?

[Jackie]

I don't know. Like, they do a lot, but I guess it's like, because they're also competing against another amazing quarterback, and someone has to win and someone has to lose.

[Claudia]

I guess.

[Jackie]

But I understand what you're saying. Just feels like everyone's the greatest Purdy who's not?

[Claudia]

Like, this legacy and no one talks about him and like, he's always winning.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but it's like if you just traded him for Trevor Lawrence. Not saying that you should brock on, but then you walk the on. Right. But the 49ers are doing well.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Claudia]

What?

[Jackie]

Number three.

[Claudia]

Oh, yeah. Are you sure it's three?

[Jackie]

Yeah, I am. The Taylor one took a while.

[Claudia]

No, Taylor Football. And number three. No, I'm telling you, I'm looking at it.

[Jackie]

I'm sorry. I could cut one.

[Claudia]

No, no, no, no. I just. It's funny because, like, before I felt like we were moving so fast, and now I'm like, we're only on three. Whatever.

[Jackie]

Plus tv. Plus Dear Toasters.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

But Instagram is launching its own awards for creators called Rings. Movies have the Oscars, TV has the Emmys, music has the Grammys. So why can't one of the world's largest social platforms get into the awards game? Instagram is launching Instagram Rings, a new program meant to celebrate the creativity of its more than 3 billion monthly active users. But of those 3 billion, only 25 will receive rings, with the honorees getting both a physical ring as well as unique digital golden ring for their Instagram profile and stories.

[Claudia]

That's cool.

[Jackie]

That is very meta. Like, here's my ring ring.

[Claudia]

Very meta.

[Jackie]

Owned by meta. Eva Chen said we felt it was time to have an award that recognizes people who take these creative chances on our platform.

[Claudia]

I forgot that she still, like, has a job at Instagram.

[Jackie]

Yeah. These people are cultural catalysts and they're sparking conversations. And by doing that, they encourage people to express themselves as well.

[Claudia]

So I just, I actually think this is a cool idea. I just hope it doesn't become one of those things where it's like, okay, we're giving it to Kim Kardashian. Like, okay, you know what I mean? Like, it should be people who actually, like, create. Do you know what I mean?

[Jackie]

Yes. It's also going to be hard for them to really differentiate between, like, someone who is insta, like creating on Instagram purposefully as opposed to like, someone who just like, trickled over from Tick tock.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

I don't think it's for celebrities. Like, it's really for people who create within Instagram and. And I think that will also narrow the people that you would think it would be. I don't even know who would.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

I feel like it's like really like storytellers. I don't even know. I don't think 25 people are going to be like, 25 people. I follow.

[Claudia]

No, it's going to be that guy, Zach King. You know, he does those, like, magic videos that get, like, 100 million views.

[Jackie]

Right. I don't.

[Claudia]

Which, by the way, he deserves it.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I just. It's not going to be like, Alex Earl.

[Claudia]

Give it to Alex Earl. You know, give everything to.

[Jackie]

Give everything to Alex Earl. But, like, she's not an ins. She's an influencer. But, like, not because of Instagram.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

Someone only gets to follow her on Instagram.

[Claudia]

Like, right.

[Jackie]

She doesn't post enough.

[Claudia]

Oh, Jackie's mad.

[Jackie]

Like, work harder, do better. Get yourself a ring.

[Claudia]

What about the reels? Real people are real people.

[Jackie]

We are. We want more than a real. Every three days.

[Claudia]

No, I know what you mean.

[Jackie]

Like Instagram, there are people. Back in the day, you could have gotten a ring.

[Claudia]

A thousand percent, actually.

[Jackie]

I guess even today you could get a ring.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Give me one.

[Jackie]

Like, actually, I think, like, Lish is an Instagram creator, right?

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

She posts those videos to Tick Tock.

[Claudia]

Yes.

[Jackie]

But they feel Instagram first.

[Claudia]

There is nobody who creates content for a living that doesn't post the same piece of content to multiple platforms.

[Jackie]

Me, I deserve a ring. I'm the only one who's.

[Claudia]

You don't post on anything else. You don't post on Snapchat. You don't post on Tick Tock. You don't post on Facebook.

[Jackie]

I don't. I only post on Instagram.

[Claudia]

What about Facebook?

[Jackie]

No.

[Claudia]

What about nothing?

[Jackie]

Podcast, YouTube?

[Claudia]

Oh, oh, yeah.

[Jackie]

Spotify.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But as far as social media platforms, really just Instagram. I don't think this is my year.

[Claudia]

She's eligible for a ring.

[Jackie]

Not this year. Maybe this year I think I have to work a little harder. But I do think I'm the elk of a ringer because I'm dedicated to the platform.

[Claudia]

You are. You're loyal.

[Jackie]

So it'll be curious to see who gets them. I do feel like it's gonna be a bunch of people we don't know, but I like this. More awards for influencers.

[Claudia]

Agreed. Agreed. More opening up the, like, traditional award space, like the Golden Globes for the podcasting. Like, more of that.

[Jackie]

More of it. I love it.

[Claudia]

Agreed.

[Jackie]

Love it more.

[Claudia]

I think the word we're looking for is more inclusion.

[Jackie]

That's it. Are you ready for our fourth story? Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck post on the right.

[Claudia]

Jennifer Lopez.

[Jackie]

Well, I was, like, gonna call her Jen.

[Claudia]

That's just crazy.

[Jackie]

Like, her name is JLo, but the headline.

[Claudia]

First name Jay. Last name low.

[Jackie]

The headline said, jennifer and Ben Affleck posed on the red carpet together during a surprise reunion at Kiss of the Spider Woman premiere in New York City. So newly divorced Ben and Jen are back together for the red carpet. Not in a romantic way, I guess. He, like, worked on the movie. He was supposed to be in the video.

[Claudia]

Yeah. So this is like, such a weird thing. And she went on, like, one of those morning shows today or GMA or whatever. And the person interviewing her was, like, very bluntly asking, like, your ex divorce, you're on the carpet. And she, like, looks at her publicist like, it's just being asked the craziest question. It's like, such a normal question. But she does say, like, the movie would not have gotten made without him. They have a very good relationship, and she's really happy he was there, which I was shocked to hear all of.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Also, when you walk on the red carpet with someone, do something so publicly, like, it's fair game to then ask a question about it.

[Claudia]

Of course. I don't know why she was acting so surprised. I do want to say also, she's always looked, like, insane for her age, but I feel like it's. She's taking a huge break. Right. There was like, a couple of months where JLO could not get arrested. Like, seriously, everyone was hating everything she did. I feel like we haven't seen her for like, a year and. Which was good. A really good strategic move for her. She also got a new face. She looks insane.

[Jackie]

Yeah, in a good way. The movie is a musical.

[Claudia]

She's always, like, doing these, like, visual movie musical. Her last, like, four movies. She makes fake movies. Whatever the peepee poo poo version of movies is like. That's what J. Lo's does.

[Jackie]

And what is Kiss of the Spider Woman? I'm, like, scared.

[Claudia]

Why are you asking me that?

[Jackie]

I don't know. Like, is it. Is it like, actually Spidey.

[Claudia]

I have no idea. All of her movies, or is it.

[Jackie]

Like, you know, a woman who is a spider?

[Claudia]

It's like she makes movies now. Like, what's like a recent JLO movie that you've actually seen?

[Jackie]

Hustlers.

[Claudia]

Oh, okay. That's a great example. Besides that.

[Jackie]

Kiss of the sire woman. A political prisoner named Valentin shares a cell with a man named Molina. They form an unlikely bond as Molina recounts a Hollywood musical plot.

[Claudia]

Wait, not the political prisoner being in a musical?

[Jackie]

Yeah, sharing.

[Claudia]

It's kind of like a modern Les.

[Jackie]

Mis sharing a cell with a man.

[Claudia]

I think they're both Men. Oh, Valentin.

[Jackie]

You're right. I assumed it was a woman because.

[Claudia]

Who the is she? Maybe she's the warden. Wait.

[Jackie]

He recounts the plot of a Hollywood musical starring his favorite silver screen diva, Ingrid Luna. I'm gonna go ahead and say that JLo is Ingrid Luna, aka Aurora, aka the Spider Woman. So, no, this is not in the Spidey verse. Not made by Marvel.

[Claudia]

That's too bad. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be seeing the film, which is just hard. You know, I just have a lot going on.

[Jackie]

But maybe. Yeah, but that's what it's about. If you're interested. Big if. Produced by Ben Affleck and Matt Damon's artist Equity production company.

[Claudia]

Right, right, right, right.

[Jackie]

That's what they do, and that's what they did. Things they did.

[Claudia]

I'm surprised they would take on this project. It was obviously something they agreed to stigmatized. Yeah. Yeah. Because One thing about JLo, like, she does not make good movies anymore.

[Jackie]

No. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Well, and there was a time where, like, every move, she was like the Kate Hudson of rom coms and Made in Manhattan. Like, she could not make a bad movie. Have you ever seen her movie? Enough?

[Jackie]

No.

[Claudia]

Chilling. It's kind of like a very elevated Lifetime original movie where she is this, like, single mom. Well, she's not a single mom at first. She has a really abusive husband, and her and her daughter just, like, spend the whole movie running from him. And every time they get set up in, like, a new home in a new town with a new wig, he shows up. And it is the scariest movie. It's amazing. They play it on, like, E movies we love all the time.

[Jackie]

Oh, interesting. Sounds like Safe harbor with Jillian Hoff.

[Claudia]

A safe haven.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Not Safe Harbor. Yes. I never saw that one, but, yeah, it's just like that.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our fit and final story into TV Recap?

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

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[Jackie]

Our fifth and final story leading into TV recap, Love is blind. Casey is now setting the record straight on her messy breakup from Patrick. So she gave an interview to People magazine where they asked really all the important questions. She's also gonna be on Vial Files as Patrick talking about their relationship. And she's explaining, like, how she felt and why she went about things the way that she did. I. It's a written interview, so I actually feel like she gave as good of answers as she could. And we're definitely getting like, more just like full sentences from her as opposed to, I can't, I'm sorry. I love you.

[Claudia]

To be like, we all know what happened, right? Like, she doesn't think we're stupid.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Well, I think what she's trying to say is that, and this is actually something that you said on your Instagram stories last night, but she said when she, like, met him, she said this. I just remember feeling like, this is a stranger in my arms right now. You do, unfortunately, you kind of picture. You try not to, but picture maybe who this person's going to be. And then I saw him and I was like, oh, not like his looks or anything, just feeling him. I was like, oh, this is a stranger. I don't actually know this person.

[Claudia]

And you have to, like, go sleep in a bed with them.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And they were like, why did you feel that way? She was like, just the fact that it is a stranger. I started to crash out. I started to realize this is a serious thing we're about to do. This is for marriage. This isn't for like, oh, why am I going to date him? We're just going to go on dates after this. This was like, no, we're going to take this to the altar. And after that moment, I just couldn't do that. So I think what she thought he was going to look like and what he did look like, of course, like, didn't match up in her head and were a little bit disappointing for her because she did say, like, the attraction can't grow. And she realized afterwards that looks do matter to her, and that does matter to her. But I think the fact that it. She's saying, like, two things. It's not just that he was, like, not attractive to her, but that, like, given that it wasn't what she expected, she felt like she didn't know him. Great.

[Claudia]

Okay, here's what I. And I'm not saying I don't believe her, but, like, I watched and here's what I think happened. She got engaged, and she was not pleased with his looks. Obviously you can't, like, just say that. It's so rude, so shallow at the engagement. Even afterwards, like, you look so shallow. Like, there's really no good way. It happens a lot with people who they end up with people they're not attracted to. And it doesn't grow, it doesn't get better. And, like, it's just awkward. It always is. And so I think the idea of, like, going and having to, like, sleep in a bed with him and fake, you know, this relationship was too much for. I think it, like, she didn't want to do it, but she couldn't outright come out and say that she was quitting because of the looks. So she, like, made up this, like, you know, she was, you know, crisis having crisis. Right. But the whole time is, like, kissing and hugging him and kissing and jumping and straddling him just so nobody could say she wasn't, like, not into his looks. Because, look, she's straddling him and she goes to close the door, and then she jumps back into his arms and wraps her legs around him. Like, it felt so calculated, like she was clearly not into his looks. And then put together this charade to make it seem like it had nothing to do with his looks.

[Jackie]

Agreed. Two things. This is also what she said.

[Claudia]

Oh, and she also didn't effectively break up with him because this is what.

[Jackie]

She had to say about that moment. She said when they were talking and they broke up, they said, did you have intentions of anything's for good? She said, no, I didn't want to end things at that point. When I saw him, he was the only person in that whole room that I felt like I really knew. So that's why I felt so comforted. Everybody's like, why were you kissing him? I was like, because I felt comfort in his arms. It's just a crazy experience. And then I was like. For a moment, I'm like, am I making a mistake? Should we stay? But at that point, I thought, the only way we're ever going to make this really work is if we come back to get to Denver and date slowly, at our own pace, not this rush, get to the altar in a month sort of thing. And she does recognize how when she, like, she said she was trying to protect his feelings and his insecurities, and it came off weird. It came off wrong. Like, she was gaslighting. And that's her biggest regret, I guess, because she didn't want to say the thing she really, like, just was confusing because she was trying to protect him. There is no way. There is no good way to handle this. Like, this experiment is, like, ruthless.

[Claudia]

However, it's also just a crazy thing to. To sign up for.

[Jackie]

However, every season, there is a couple where someone is not pleased with someone else's looks. Not saying that you should fake it, but, like, one, you should give it a chance. Like, you should give the process a chance. If you're signing up for it. It's possible that the person's not your typical type, but you love them. You have this connection. So, like, try to see it through. Don't just, like, write them off because of their looks, but also, like, I don't know, let them down a little more naturally. Yeah, but I guess that's me saying, like, yeah, go to Baja and fake it and then break up with them and pretend like it was about other stuff. When the entire time you weren't attracted, but, like, I don't know. Yeah, when Also, it'd make you look better, but, like, that's fake then, too. At least she was being real. So I don't know.

[Claudia]

So there are, like, a couple of couples that are having. I feel like every season there's, like, one couple that has, like, the attraction issue, but there's multiple. Right? Like, Joe is me. What's his name? Joe.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Joe has made a lot of comments about Madison's look. Like, I actually feel so bad for her. I stopped feeling bad for her, though, when she got back from the pool party and, like, handled that situation so unbelievably poorly. Like, he was clearly deeply unwell. And she's trying to have, like, a real Substantial conversation with a person who's crazy. I don't know if he was on drugs or he was literally blackout drunk. I thought, he's about to throw up in the bed. Like, well, why?

[Jackie]

She's. I agree. And at first I'm like, oh, my God, this man. He was so awful at the party. I'm like, I feel so bad for her, but to come in and I'm so against waking someone up, period. But to wake someone up out of their blackout stupor with cameras and, like, you're all, like, in your baby, like.

[Claudia]

And looking to have, like, a real clear, concise conversation.

[Jackie]

Why are you waking him up? Like, let him sleep it off, first of all. And then he wakes up and he's very disoriented to the point where he. Yeah, he seems, like, unwell on drugs. And she's like, you just asked me the same question four times. And then later, in the bathroom. In the bathroom, she's like. And I'm like, yeah, yes, four times. And then the bathroom, she's like, you asked me the same question seven times. I'm like, wait, I thought you said four. And now I'm like, wait, was it actually just two?

[Claudia]

So I have stopped feeling bad for her because she's really, like, not helping herself and she's making the situation worse.

[Jackie]

And she's so insecure that it. Like, she's like, when they were in the hot tub, even the first night when she was like, what did you think when you saw me? Did it look like what she looked like?

[Claudia]

And I just want to say, even though people who are unattractive don't ask that question.

[Jackie]

No, if you have to ask those questions, like, you're one either being insecure or you feel like something is off and it's just. It like, just plunges you guys even further, deeper. Like, when someone constantly has to be like, no, you're the greatest now. You're the prettiest. Like, nobody.

[Claudia]

And then she's on the boat being like, I feel like I'm always telling you I love you first. Okay, so that's the case.

[Jackie]

Very needy, insecure energy, which is, like, not attractive. And it's unfortunate if she feels that way. And if she feels like she's not getting enough from him, that she needs to pull it out of him. But if that's what he's giving, that's because that's all he wants to give.

[Claudia]

Now there is a little sprinkle of Amber and Barnett in here. One of my favorite things about that first season and the hive been chasing ever since was when they got really into, like, the financials because, you know, Barnett was this really sort of, like, financially stable guy. He owned his own house. He had a great job. He was an engineer. He didn't have any debt and incomes. Amber, who, you know was in the army, they paid for college. She left the Army. She was left with all this debt. She had insane. She had that Ulta credit card that had, like, crazy debt on it. Like, and that was my favorite, like, because that's real life. Right. And it's so uncomfortable. And I, like, live for those types of conversations. And we're having a little bit. I feel like we're more of that with Sparkle Megan and Jordan. Because Sparkle Meghan has made it her mission to, like, let everyone know she's rich.

[Jackie]

Cool.

[Claudia]

Congrats. And he is, like, a very proud, poor person. And he's always, like, talking about how he's poor. I'm not, like, saying he's poor.

[Jackie]

He.

[Claudia]

He says he's poor, like, all the time.

[Jackie]

No, but it's not like Amber and Barnett, where it's, like, he's taking on debt and he's trying to live at a level that he's not at. Like, he is proud. He. I think he's, like, cheap proud, but.

[Claudia]

I mean, more so. Like, we're having these really, like, huge disparities, financial, like, socioeconomic backgrounds. And I just think it makes for such interesting.

[Jackie]

Like, he's obsessed with his Kia. But I think also what's making it more contentious is that he's kind of, like, being addicted to her, about her even. Like, he was, like, the rudest about the nickname Sparkle Megan. It's like, I could be rude about Sparkle Megan. I'm not gonna marry her. Like, I can say that's bad nickname. But for him to, like, always. That's, like, something that she. Who she is and what she's. She's proud of. And she loves Sparkles. And she loves, obviously, like, glitz and, like, trying to guess what kind of car she drives. So he could, like, I don't know, Taunter about it. Like, it's one thing to be the way that you are and, like, proud but not judgmental. And he just seems, like, a little judgmental, and that's where it's gonna get sticky. Even when he turned off her sink when she was brushing her teeth, he's, like, very, like, eco conscious.

[Claudia]

There's just two different types of people in this world. Like, people who turn off the sink when they brush their teeth. And people who don't. And I don't think people from different groups can marry one another, honestly.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that was. That was a lot.

[Claudia]

Even though, having said that, like, I kind of like them as a couple, and I don't think that they're the worst off. I think they have a chance.

[Jackie]

And I think she was right to choose him over Mike.

[Claudia]

Absolutely. There's something extremely sinister about that.

[Jackie]

My character agreed. And I've seen, like, the Internet saying, like, he's a known scammer in Denver, and, like, he. Probably.

[Claudia]

Financially.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I think he got, like, you know, rich vibes for Megan, and he was gonna, like, scam.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God. A con man.

[Jackie]

So I think she was right to choose Jordan. I think it was, like, a case of opposites attract where, like, they could really be compatible. And he just. Everything with him was just, like, lighter than with Mike. Like, even.

[Claudia]

He's, like, a little bit weird and freaky, but he is a really nice guy.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like, sweet, even. When she was expressing doubts, like, he approached it not making her feel bad, like, making her feel better.

[Claudia]

So crazy about that.

[Jackie]

And, like, the way that someone makes you feel is, like, very important. Like, I felt really good that she should give love a chance, and I'm glad that she chose him. However, what she couldn't see in the pods is the way that he acts when he's with his friends, which was the biggest ick of all time.

[Claudia]

I don't know if it's more so the way he acts with his friends or the way he acts when he drinks.

[Jackie]

I think both. He was so immature, and I think that's what Mike was sort of pointing to when it was like, when he was trying.

[Claudia]

I'm sorry. I. Mike was pissing me off.

[Jackie]

No. When he was trying to talk about Jordan but didn't say anything. So I'm like, what's wrong with Jordan? Like, he has tattoos. Like, what?

[Claudia]

Right. What was he trying to say?

[Jackie]

I feel like in the pods, when they were living with the guys, like, Jordan had that immature energy factor. He was, like, the way that he was with the boys all the time, the way that he was at the mixer. And so he's like, mike is like, that's your guy. Okay. He doesn't know that people can grow out of that. In the pods, he was, like, really lovely and warm and, like, he's obviously has, like, two different sides to him, but Mike only saw the boy side. And, yeah, that side of him is not cute.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Even though when she expressed, like, you're being weird and annoying. He was, like, immediately apologetic and I don't know, I don't hate Jordan so much. I actually like them as a couple. I think they have a chance.

[Jackie]

I think they're like, the ship is going down.

[Claudia]

Okay, well, the ship has already went down with Madison and Joe. Like, they are so not getting married.

[Jackie]

She's in a wedding dress in the previews. She makes it to the office to be on tv. No, I'm sorry. This is. This is a couple that needed to break up, like, tomorrow. Yeah, yeah.

[Claudia]

And then we have Annie and Nick.

[Jackie]

Who are weirdly like, the best couple.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Even though, like, I. He's. Even though, you know.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

When he was telling Sparkle Mega that he loves her Cartier.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah. Well, he is a luxury watch dealer. That is his job is to know those things.

[Claudia]

Yes, that's right. I did forget about that. Thank you.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, no, they actually work, but they have a long road ahead of them because he told two girls that he loved them and he didn't tell that to Annie and. Oh, right when they go to the bar, you know, whenever they meet the rest of the cast, like, that's gonna come out. And he should have told her sooner.

[Claudia]

Yeah, she's really sweet. She's a little nutty, like hair, brain energy, but she's really sweet.

[Jackie]

Yeah. In the pod, she like, wasn't my favorite, but she got serious. She, like, serious.

[Claudia]

She was a sleeper too. They didn't like introduce her to like the third or fourth episode.

[Jackie]

She wised up towards the end. There was a lot of like, sexual talk in the pods this season. I don't know if that's like a Netflix trying something new thing or a Denver being weird thing.

[Claudia]

Yeah. There was a lot of sex.

[Jackie]

Talking about the state of her pubic hair.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

And what she could do with that pubic hair.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

I would say that was like a low point for television.

[Claudia]

Yes. However, I really appreciate it and I know it's like gross and invasive, but, like, I do need to know if the people are having sex on the honeymoons and sometimes previous seasons, like, they haven't brought it up or some people are tight lipped about it.

[Jackie]

I'm not referring. No, no, I know. I'm referring to pod sex. Yes.

[Claudia]

No, no, I know, but. But it's the overall, like, theme of the season. There's a little bit more openness with the sex and I really appreciated it. As a mixer, they all sat down and said who's having sex and who's not? And they all are, except for Edmund and Calambria, which I found surprising. Yeah, well, like, I found surprising, you know, that Joe made so many comments about Madison, but he was more than happy to have sex with her.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah. He was all over her. That's how you stop him from getting dewett.

[Claudia]

I wasn't. What's her name?

[Jackie]

Name.

[Claudia]

Sparkle. Was, like, extremely horny. Like, when they got to the Mexico, they, like, sat in the room and she was, like, making a million comments about, like, her tushy and his penis. So I wasn't surprised that they had sex. I was surprised that Madison and Joe had sex. I also was surprised that Annie and Nick had sex just because they don't seem so, like, sexually compatible. And again, like, he feels, you know.

[Jackie]

Yeah, but he feels. I feel like I remember her talking about a lot about sex in the pods with Brendan. I feel like she's pretty sexual.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jackie]

I was surprised that Ally and Anton. Not that I know anything about them, because I wasn't watching the first, but I'm surprised.

[Claudia]

She likes him so much and so.

[Jackie]

And then she's on her period. I'd be annoyed if someone.

[Claudia]

I. Okay. Not only did they bring up her period, but a different couple. Who was it? It was a Calabria Edmond. When she, like, spilled the beans that her friend, period, My child, hit the floor. She goes on to talk about, like, her own period and how she gets, like, cramped.

[Jackie]

Is insane.

[Claudia]

This show is insane. And this particular season is making me realize, like, how crazy the concept is. I feel like we've kind of gotten used to, like, yeah, you. You get engaged with somebody you've never met, but it's kind of like putting on blast how fucking crazy the concept is.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So I don't know if any calibri.

[Claudia]

I was wrong for that. She was extremely wrong for bringing up Ali's period.

[Jackie]

I guess she thought it might not make it to air.

[Claudia]

There's a camera right in front of you.

[Jackie]

Like, I don't know if any of these couples will actually get married.

[Claudia]

It does feel like we do. Could have a season on our hands. Where are there. There are no marriages, which I don't know if we've had yet. There have been seasons where people got. Did anyone from Chicago get married? Like, the Nick and Danielle season and the Jared and Ayanna, they both got married and they both got divorced, so we ended up.

[Jackie]

What city was that? Was that not Chicago?

[Claudia]

Oh, was it?

[Jackie]

It might have been.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God. What season were they? Maybe they were. Oh, season two. Yeah. Danielle and Nick. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I don't know if there's been a season where absolutely nobody has gotten even, like, said yes.

[Jackie]

Yeah. This season is like, seriously a sinking ship.

[Claudia]

Everyone is hopping off board.

[Jackie]

Like, and there's so many scenes that were, like, just seriously just the craziest thing to watch. Like, of course Casey and Patrick.

[Claudia]

Of course Casey and Patrick.

[Jackie]

Madison and Joe in the drunk post nap.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Calambria and Edmund fighting over about not having sex and he's crying.

[Claudia]

Okay, wait. Also, Calambri and Edmund's conversation over breakfast about how, like, if they were at a club and a man puts his hand. She, like, wanted him to fight. And he was like, no, I'm, like, not a violent person. That was, like, genuinely uncomfortable. Them, like, having a real argument about a hypothetical situation. Like, I thought they were the strongest. And then actually, that conversation highlighted how genuinely different they are.

[Jackie]

So who do you think is the strongest? It's usually so clear.

[Claudia]

And it's not Ann, Annie and Watch boy.

[Jackie]

Yeah, agreed.

[Claudia]

Which is not, like, a ringing endorsement for the strength of these couples.

[Jackie]

No. And then Anton and Ally. Do you see the previews, like, where.

[Claudia]

It'S like, oh, Anton and Ally. Yeah, they're, like, moving in silence.

[Jackie]

No, but, like, in the preview, the next few episodes, like, she's kind of a slob and he was, like, yelling at her.

[Claudia]

Okay, well, I just want to say, like, she's allowed to be a slob. Do you know what I mean?

[Jackie]

I do know what you mean.

[Claudia]

You know. Don't make me say it like, she's loud.

[Jackie]

I do know what you mean.

[Claudia]

She happens to be, like, she's obviously better looking than him, but she also happens to be, like, insanely gorgeous. And I'm sorry, like, insanely gorgeous. Girls, like, they could just get away with more stuff, especially when their partner's not, like, you know, like, the hottest man alive.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I think that's fair to say.

[Claudia]

So I'll leave it at that.

[Jackie]

So she'll just leave her mess right there.

[Claudia]

Let's dive into Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment, if that's okay with you. So every Tuesday, Jackie and I, you know, like to reach out to our community and do a little segment we call Dear Toasters, which is weekly advice you can write to [e-mail] or you can head over to our brand new relaunched website, the toast podcast.com. there's a little submission box when you scroll down. All methods of submission are totally anonymous. You guys have nothing to worry about. Are you ready?

[Jackie]

I'm ready.

[Claudia]

Hey, spurlies. I've been talking to this guy for a couple of months. He plays professional baseball and is currently in season. His schedule is really nuts, which I understand. He, however, he only asked me to hang out at like 10pm every single time, like clockwork. 10pm Do I accept that he wants me to just be his booty call, or do I just blame it on his crazy work schedule? I know for a fact that he's single because that was my first fear. But he's otherwise really attentive, thoughtful. He seems very interested in me and my life. I actually like him. So I have couple a expressed that it'd be nice. It'd be nice to see him during the day, but that hasn't happened yet. Disclaimer. We have not had sex, but what do I do? Is he just not that into me or am I thinking too much about this for how new it is? So I just feel like it's important. There are moments in life where it's important to be, like, honest and real with oneself and important facts. Here he only asks you to hang out at 10pm and he's a professional athlete. Like, I feel like there's really, like, not much more that I personally need to know here. Just to let you know, like, confidently, like, you are just a booty call to this guy.

[Jackie]

And I'm sorry, he's not even getting that much booty. She's saying, right?

[Claudia]

And he's sticking around.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And like, he's busy. Everyone's busy. Like, you have to. He has to eat dinner. Like, you know, why couldn't he do it with you?

[Claudia]

If you want to see this through until the end of baseball season, I believe is almost over. Because I know when it gets cold, it's almost over. So if you want to see this through and like, come November, see if you got. Yeah, by all means, waste your own time. I feel pretty confident in giving you advice, letting you know, like, you're this guy's booty call, which, like, is fun. If you're young and you're like a professional athlete's booty call, have fun, but just don't expect too much. I'm. I'm really. I'm not feeling like he's like, that serious about it.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I agree. But sometimes, you know, you stick around long enough and you're the last girl standing. And he's like a thousand percent.

[Claudia]

He's like, ready to get married. He's like, well, this girl's been around for a while and she's nice.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So you could try that route, like, if you really like him and that's what you want for yourself and like. But it doesn't seem like that's the more likely outcome, you know? Yeah, that would be the exception.

[Claudia]

I don't know how old you are, so like, I don't know if you're just like at a stage where like you're having fun.

[Jackie]

The timetable.

[Claudia]

Right. Like, if you're in like a sort of like a rush, like you want to settle down and get married. Like, I really wouldn't waste your time here. It very rarely works out with professional athletes.

[Jackie]

And like when it does, like, you got to wait like eight, eight years, you know.

[Claudia]

And I just want to say, of all the athletes to be married to, baseball is by far the worst. They play so many games, the season is so long. If you are looking for an athlete to settle down with, I would recommend football because there's like 11 games. I know, but like, and it's once a week. Baseball players play like three or four games a week. Same with basketball.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I don't know if she just like has her pick of, of any star athlete.

[Claudia]

I just feel like messing around with an athlete is like a fun thing you can tell your grandchildren about one day. Of course, like, some girls end up marrying professional athletes and it works out.

[Jackie]

Nicely, but the odds are not in your favor. No, but if you're having fun and you like. But I. I don't know, I just.

[Claudia]

Fear you're looking for like something deep here and there's really like. I feel like there's not.

[Jackie]

And you're probably like giving your best to him every single time. Like just like chipper and like cute and whatever. And it's like, go to sleep. Like catch up on your sleep.

[Claudia]

Start with a new season of Love is Blind.

[Jackie]

Like it's just kind of. It sounds exhausting staying up till 10.

[Claudia]

To like leave the house. Oh my God, I can never.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And then like not a long night sleep. But I guess if you're not having sex with him, like, so what are.

[Claudia]

You doing at 10 o'? Clock?

[Jackie]

Maybe. Yeah, maybe like you know, having a drink, flirting, watch a movie. Like there are things you could do. Making out. And by the way, you should tiresome.

[Claudia]

Have sex with him.

[Jackie]

Like no, but like that. No if she want. But also if you don't have sex with him, like he will either like for be forced to like get more serious about you to like get, you know, the ball moving in that sense or he'll be like, okay, listen, I just wanted sex. Goodbye.

[Claudia]

Barking up the wrong.

[Jackie]

I actually think, don't have sex with him. Because either way I would wait another month. You'll get clarity whether it's the thing.

[Claudia]

You're at the tail end of baseball season. Just wait. See if anything.

[Jackie]

Honestly, that really just made me tired.

[Claudia]

10 o'. Clock. All right, next up. Hey, girlies. I recently listened to an episode of the Toast where Margo talked about a story wearing Jackie's favorite pair of pants without her knowing, staining them and then throwing them away to avoid her sister's wrath. Well, I just started nagging story. Oh, what? She must have talked about maybe with me. What pants? If you're looking for your favorite pair.

[Jackie]

Of pants, what are my favorite pair of pants?

[Claudia]

It must have been, like, from high school. Okay, so this girl I just started nannying and I used the family's kitchen for the first time yesterday. The stove was so much more powerful than I anticipated. And in a flash, one of the oven mitts briefly caught on fire. After blowing it out, there was a medium sized hole in the mitt. The mom was able to come, was about to come back. I was in a haste of desperation. I threw the mitt into my bag and I brought it home. I shouldn't have done that. But now I don't know what to do. Where do I go from here? I feel like this is actually, like, an amazing opportunity for you to just, like, come out looking really an oven mitt. Like, she's not gonna charge you for it. It's not like a prize family heirloom. She probably doesn't give a. But if you're like, open and honest and you're like, hey, I use a kitchen, which you're absolutely allowed to do. You were doing nothing wrong. And I burn the oven mitt. Like, I can replace it for you. She'll be like, oh, who cares? Don't worry about it. It's not a big deal. And you'll come off, like, looking really honest. If she has, like, a camera and she sees you, like, putting an oven mitt in your purse, like, that's not an amazing look.

[Jackie]

No, it's a weird look because it's not even, like, a bad look. Like you stole a oven mitt that's burnt. It just looks weird.

[Claudia]

Bring it back and then tell her, like, the next day that it happened 100.

[Jackie]

It's really not a big deal.

[Claudia]

It's not a big deal at all. And you'll end up looking like a hero. Like, things Happen all the time. Thank God you didn't burn, you know, a vase that her grandmother gave her.

[Jackie]

Yeah. An oven, man, is, like, meant to be burned. Like, that's why you put them on.

[Claudia]

Ovens are disposable. You get new ones every few years.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And if it is, like, able to get a hole in it, it's probably not top quality.

[Claudia]

Oh, yeah, they're supposed to be flame.

[Jackie]

Flame resistant, like. Yeah, they're supposed to be able to withstand high temperatures. I guess I've never put one in the flame, but.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

It's fine. Just be honest.

[Claudia]

Yeah, just be honest. You made the situation worse by stealing not to, like, give you a pet.

[Jackie]

That was, like, kind of a weird thing that you did.

[Claudia]

I understand, though. Like, you get so, like, for klemped that you don't know what to do.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

All right, third and final. Hey, girlies. I recently found myself in a nightmare situation and I need your help. I've been dating my boyfriend, who's 28, for four years. I'm expecting a ring within the next month. We get along perfectly and I've never been more in love. However, I had a random gut feeling to go through his laptop this past weekend. He was not texting or FaceTiming any other girls. However, upon checking his YouTube, I started to grow concerned. He is subscribed to James Charles, Jeffree Star and Alicia Marie. There is a red line of all their videos, meaning, like, there he's in the middle of watching them, and he comments at least once a week on each, usually along the lines of 8 down or blank is the one youtuber I will always defend. He does not have any younger siblings. His YouTube account only belongs to him. Do I let this go? Do I confront it? Is this an ick or a cause for pause?

[Jackie]

You have to confront him.

[Claudia]

Don't make me say it. Your boyfriend's gay. Like, your boyfriend is gay.

[Jackie]

I would say if your boyfriend has uttered the words James Charles ate down, it's a safe bet.

[Claudia]

I need to look up what Alicia Marie is.

[Jackie]

I think you need to ask him about it because perhaps there is a plausible explanation where someone else.

[Claudia]

Fashion and lifestyle. Yes, you have to ask because I agree. I know he doesn't have siblings or anything. Maybe he left it logged on at the library or something like, you do need to ask because it's entirely possible that it's not his Internet activity.

[Jackie]

Yeah, so you have to ask, but look within yourself. Is the idea of him being gay remotely a possibility? You know, you know, and if it.

[Claudia]

Is, you'll be devastated. It's really hard to go through. Thank God you're not married. Okay. This is just a breakup. It's going to be hard. You'll have a hard couple of months. Think about how much worse it could be if you found this after you got the ring.

[Jackie]

By the way, what's his job? His job might require him to like.

[Claudia]

Be like a paid boss.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And maybe James Charles and Jeffree Star and Alicia Marie pay like companies to engage with that.

[Jackie]

Yeah. No, it could be a side hustle where he like, is a paid bot or he like, works in marketing and he like. It could be for his job. Eight down. He's. He's.

[Claudia]

Maybe they give you suggested language down.

[Jackie]

Employee of the month.

[Claudia]

Maybe they give you suggested language when you become a paid bot of like things Internet user like slang from the kids that that is recommended to use in your content and your engagement.

[Jackie]

Ask him about it straight up. Don't.

[Claudia]

And you'll know by the way when you bring it up, you will know the second based on his facial reactions, but you will know if he's like genuinely caught or has no idea what you're talking about and it's somebody at the local coffee shop using his, you know, the, the communal computer.

[Jackie]

Ask him about it. There are ways out of this, but it needs to be addressed.

[Claudia]

Sorry that that happened to you and your husband is gay.

[Jackie]

Fiance. That's.

[Claudia]

That feels good to say that. It feels good to say that and not have everybody be like, Claudia, you're. You're making it a grand assumption.

[Jackie]

No, James Charles ate down. There's really no way around that.

[Claudia]

Jeffree Star ate the. Ate the house down Boots. Your boyfriend is gay.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

All right, well, that's our show. You guys, thank you so much for listening to the toast, the Monday morning show where we Deliver the Fast5 stories you need to start every Monday through Friday. New jeeps of writing us on YouTube. Please help me subscribe and give this video thumbs up up. We're also available as podcast anywhere Podcast we found set, Spotify and sister public radio IO radio cast box all the places web listen to podcast finance and toast. Leave a five star review about a beautiful, stunning and ooh, kiddly talented we are.

[Jackie]

Love ya. Bye. Leave a message about how we ate down.

[Claudia]

Thanks. Jeffree star.