Love Island With Purpose: Thursday, June 4th, 2026

Summary

The Toast — “Love Island With Purpose”

Episode Overview
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: June 4, 2026
Theme: Jackie and Claudia bring their signature gossip, pop culture hot takes, and sisterly banter to discuss the NBA Finals buzz (Go Knicks!), celebrity sightings, trending fandom edits, TV recaps (notably Love Island USA), Bravo news, and lifestyle chat. The episode is high-energy, self-deprecating, and equal parts earnest and irreverent.

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MAIN TALKING POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. NBA FINALS FRENZY – GO KNICKS! (00:22–06:41)

• General Sentiment: The hosts revel in Knicks mania as the team competes in the NBA Finals. Claudia notes this is “the first time I’ve ever watched the Knicks where, like, Jalen Brunson, like, had a bad game… it can’t be on him every single time” (02:56).
• Cultural Moment: The Knicks’ underdog story unites fans and celebrities, with stars like Timothée Chalamet, Tracy Morgan, Ben Stiller, and Tyler Cameron in attendance. Ben (Claudia’s husband) partied so hard he lost his voice, and got nearly courtside seats thanks to Scooter Braun (03:32).
• Celebrity Perks: Timothée Chalamet scores free Knicks tickets thanks to major fame, but in away games like San Antonio, even celebs have to shell out (05:19).
• Memorable Moment: Claudia recounts a viral lip-reader’s TikTok of Kylie Jenner at a basketball game, highlighting the “celebrity courtside culture” and fangirl subcultures (06:12).

2. VIRAL FANDOM & EDIT CULTURE (06:36–08:56)

• JLo/Brett Goldstein Movie Press Tour: “No one’s even seen the movie, but the press tour is genuinely so cute. I ship so hard!” — Claudia (07:01)
• Fan Edits Influence: Jackie reflects on how dramatic TikTok edits made her rewatch “off campus,” proving how powerful these social media fandoms are in shaping perception (08:13).
• Self-Awareness: The sisters half-joke about fans making epic, emotional edits of their own podcast journey—“my favorite kind of journey is a co-journey” (08:53).

3. TV CHAT: “IN THE CITY” & POLYMARKET POP CULTURE ODDS (09:03–10:39)

• Summer House Gossip: Amanda, West, and Sierra’s TV “friendship triangle” debriefed—with speculation on whether West and Amanda will go the distance as a couple. PolyMarket’s betting odds say 45% chance of break-up by year-end. “You have to follow your head, not your heart, sometimes,” Jackie advises (10:09–10:50).

4. “LOVE ISLAND” PRODUCTIVITY HACKS & LIVE RECAP (11:00–13:14, 58:40–68:19)

• Watching with Purpose: Jackie is inspired by an Instagram Reel to walk on the treadmill during Love Island—though confesses she’s too tired after showering to do so. Both sisters discuss “habit stacking,” using Love Island as a productivity backdrop (11:21–12:28).
• Episode Recap:
  • New “Paradise Villa” bed arrangements are branded “basically pornography” (60:03).
  • Notable Love Island USA plotlines involve Sean being dragged by his former police force’s mayor (and then defended by his mom online), Love Island contestants navigating new couplings, braces on TV (Bea’s), and the lack of “mean girls” this season.
  • Critical of Peacock’s explicitness: “Put Love Island on cable, the FCC needs to get in there... The mothers groups need to say Bryce, get own bed” (29:34).
  • Personality over looks: “Your looks will get you to a place but it’s not everything.” – Jackie (63:56)

5. CELEBRITY/POP CULTURE NEWS (18:15 onward)

• Molly-Mae Hague & Tommy Fury: Celebrated the birth of their second child. Baby name predictions range from “Dove” to “Rapunzel.” Claudia: “It’s just such a great example of working through hard things.” (32:15)
• Andy Cohen’s Relationship: First public photos with new boyfriend Kevin Sobieski, a businessman and ex of Benj Pasek. The sisters are shocked as Andy is “never” seen publicly with partners. Salute to dating people with “jobs and college degrees” (34:25).
• Camila Cabello’s Breakup: Split from billionaire heir Henry Childhube. “It’s a little bit of an ick…what have you done in your life?” — Jackie (39:39). They riff on heirs vs. heiresses and pop culture “nepo babies.”
• Bravo News: Amanda Frances’ comments on the Viall Files regarding Dorit’s house and discussing the struggle/fakery behind “reality” wealth. The hosts believe Amanda could have a “great second season” (54:27).

6. LIFESTYLE & PERSONAL UPDATES (21:08–22:11, 41:04)

• Sibling Squabble Over Favorite Movies: Claudia calls sister Margot to settle if "Beyond the Sea" is her favorite film—playful sisterly ribbing.
• Pop a Pimple or Not?: “If you want joy in your life, pop your pimples. You’ll be ugly but joyful—yet ugly.” – Claudia (21:29)

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• On the Knicks Finals:

  • “The Knicks are the new Kansas City Chiefs.” — Jackie (00:38)
  • “It was gripping. Neck and neck. The Knicks pulled through. First time I ever stayed up for the whole game!” — Claudia (02:34)

• Ben at the Game:

  • “Ben texted me, ‘I’m having the most amazing time. I wish you were here. I’m so glad you’re not.’” — Claudia (02:59)
  • “You would be so embarrassed to be seen with me.” — Ben via Claudia (03:03)

• Fan Edits:

  • “An edit can make you change your mind… dramatic, romantic edits is what got me to rewatch Off Campus.” — Jackie (07:56)

• Love Island Reality:

  • “I can’t watch. It’s so distracting. I’m always trying to catch [Bea’s] braces.” — Claudia (62:10)
  • “Only like a person with insane self-confidence would get braces before going on TV.” — Jackie (62:28)

• On Bravo & Amanda Frances:

  • “You can tell those who need [the show]/money—make their responses bigger. They’re different on camera than off.” — Amanda Frances via Jackie (54:04)

• Sisterly Banter:

  • “Time flies when you’re so skinny and pretty.” — Claudia (22:22)
  • “If you want joy in your life, pop your pimples. You’ll be ugly but joyful, yet ugly.” — Claudia (21:29)

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TIMESTAMPS OF IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• NBA Finals/Celebrity Knicks Game Atmosphere: 00:22–06:41
• Fan Edits, JLo & Brett Goldstein Ship: 06:36–08:56
• “In the City” & PolyMarket gossip: 09:03–10:39
• Love Island Recap & Reality TV Analysis:
  • Purposeful Watching/Productivity: 11:00–12:44
  • Love Island News/Recap: 58:40–68:19
• Molly-Mae & Tommy Fury New Baby: 28:10–32:39
• Andy Cohen’s Relationship: 32:41–37:27
• Camila Cabello Breakup & Nepo Spouses: 39:07–46:13
• Bravo Housewives Commentary: 51:42–58:16

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EPISODE TONE & STYLE

• Original, Sisterly, and Playful: As always, Jackie and Claudia’s repartee is both sardonic and affectionate, peppered with pop culture references, inside jokes, and “internet speak.” Humor often comes from self-deprecation and observations about millennial womanhood.
• Candid Hot Takes: Not afraid to call out “ick” behavior—especially relating to nepo babies, heirs, or reality TV faux authenticity.
• Warm, Fast-Paced: The conversation flows freely across topics, returning always to their key shared loves: Bravo, TV recaps, family gossip, and their “Swirly” fan community.

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CONCLUSION

This episode of The Toast is a quintessential pop culture power hour—blending NBA Finals fever, celebrity-obsessed fandom culture, reality TV deep-dives, and the heart of sisterly banter. The sisters alternate between sharp humor, tender advice, and observational comedy, tied together by a passionate, slightly chaotic flow that fans have come to love.

Highlight for new listeners: If you want to know why people are obsessed with The Toast, this episode is a perfect showcase—smart, unserious, up-to-minute, and always delivered “when you’re so skinny and pretty.”

Transcript

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Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast.

[B]

It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

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It's your favorite show, the best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off Swirly. It's the Toast.

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They sound amazing.

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Welcome back to the Toast and happy.

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Thank you.

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Thursday Latter Half energy hey. Go Knicks. Hey, Jax, how you doing?

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Go Knicks.

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Go Knicks. Don't you feel like everyone's talking about it?

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As they should be? It's the Finals.

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The Knicks are the new Garrett Graham.

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The Knicks are the new Kansas City Chiefs. Like, it's so true. It's akin to the Super Bowl. If everyone weren't talking about it, that would be a problem.

[A]

I don't know. I feel like the NBA Finals, like, it's never really like that. Buzzy.

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Well, because there's four. Like, there's seven of them, technically. And it's like, you know how I feel about just one. Like, when you have one, then everyone's talking about the one.

[A]

But I do feel like when you have to win best of seven, like, it's really a test of who's the better team sometimes. Like in the super bowl, like, just because you have a good game doesn't mean you're the better team. Or like someone's out with an other team.

[B]

Could have, like, deflated the ball.

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Zachary. Absolutely. Always a concern. So I do feel like it's a true test of skill. And do you feel like, obviously, besides for the San Antonio spurs and their fan base, don't you feel like everyone else is rooting for the Knicks?

[B]

Yes. Because they're the underdog.

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Yeah. And it's just, like, a beautiful story.

[B]

Yeah, I would say so. The San Antonio spurs are extremely random.

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So fucking random.

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They're so random. So there's really not, like. And I'm sure someone will tell me, no, the quarterback, he gives back to his community.

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Victor Webanyama.

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You know what I mean? Like, I'm sure there's that. I'm sure they're community leaders and whatnot.

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Yeah.

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As they all are.

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Community, community.

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You know, it's always. There's always a story. I'm sure there's a great story.

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However, it's not the story we're hearing.

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They're a bit random. Like, there are a couple, like, bigger franchises, and the Knicks are the biggest. One of the biggest franchises in the NBA. They happen to have, like, never won

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or been winning in our lifetime or been winning.

[B]

So, yeah, they are the obvious favorite.

[A]

They also have so many celebrity fans, which is like so fun. Lots of Timothy Chalamet was there. Tracy Morgan was there. Ben Stiller, of course, was there. Ben Softer Celebrity and Tyler Cameron were there. So Ben's on his way home. I haven't really gotten, like, the full rundown from him because I spoke to him briefly on the phone this morning, and he had no voice. And then I saw Tyler Cameron, like, posted a video of Ben. Ben had texted me. I saw the video. Ben had texted me and was like, I'm having the most amazing time. I wish you were here. I'm so glad you're not. I'm like, excuse me. He said, you would be so embarrassed to be seen with me. And then I saw a video that Tyler Cameron posted of Ben just being like, let's go. Nick's. In a crazy way. And it's like, yeah, in a.

[B]

Like, a crowd of random people.

[A]

Yeah, like. Yeah, like, I would have been embarrassed. I would have been. I did stay up and watch the whole game. Like, obviously, the first time Ben and I don't watch a game together, I did manage to stay up. It was gripping, you know, it was neck and neck towards the end, like, the third quarter. The next were, like, starting to stink it up. They were down by 14, and it was, like, awkward. But, you know, you kind of expect to lose in a way game when you win an away game. It's, like, such a slight. They won. They really pulled it out at the end. And, you know, it was kind of the first time I've ever watched the Knicks where, like, Jalen Brunson, like, had a bad game, and it's like, it can't be on him every single time. I don't feel, like, bad to know

[B]

that the team is capable without him.

[A]

And so that's like. You can thank Jay Jalen Brunson for that, because Jalen Brunson, like, took a pay cut so they could bring all these, like, good players, and, like, they have really, like, a good team outside of him, Josh Hart, every. Everyone stepped up. It was like, thank God. Because I was like, why don't we stop giving Jalen the ball? It's just not his night, and that's okay. It can't always be your night. Yeah, he picked it up a little bit in the third, but, like, the Knicks pulled through. It was so thrilling. It was really thrilling. And I was so happy for Ren. Like, he had then. I know I haven't spoken to him. I know he had, like, a better night than our wedding. Like, he had the best time ever. Of course, like, he Saw someone he knew, had an extra ticket to got. Literally, Ben got, like, a borderline courtside. I saw him on tv, like, almost the whole time. He was in, like, the fifth row. Timothy was in the second row. Like, it was insane.

[B]

Of course, by the way, Ben and I said that. I said that to you. I said that to him when he was talking about, like, how he didn't know. He's going to get there. I'm like, you're going to get there. You're going to schmooze your way to the top.

[A]

Yeah. Like, shout out Scooter Braun, who, like, literally brought Ben down from his seats to the court. Like, it's insane. That's so bad. Ben sending me pictures. Him and Will.

[B]

Businessman of the week.

[A]

Is who? Scooter Braun or Ben?

[B]

Scooter Braun, for bringing Ben into the golden circle.

[A]

I like that.

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I like that, too.

[A]

He's sending me pictures. Him and Scooter Braun. He said he just. Him and Walt Frazier, like, it was insane.

[B]

Walt Whitman.

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Yeah. I can never remember his name. Walt Clyde Frazier.

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Just insane.

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And then, like, on a personal level, I really actually enjoyed watching the game. It was crazy. I had to watch Love island, so I missed the first half, which, like, the first half is so unnecessary.

[B]

I feel like it's not how you start, it's how you finish.

[A]

Correct. And it's just, like, I know that they have to have a first and a second and a third quarter so that they can have a fourth, but I find them, like, so unnecessary.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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Yeah. That's like, all sports, you know? Yeah.

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I feel that way when I watch football, too. So the Knicks are up one. Like, it was crazy when they made it to the. The finals because it's like, well, they're not gonna win, but, like, it's. It's great that they made it there, but now it's. No.

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It's feeling like they're gonna win, you think? Yeah, it's feeling like this is their year.

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Like, that would be so crazy.

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Yeah. I really hope that they do.

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Me, too.

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I think.

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Do you think Kylie. For me.

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You think Kylie will be at the next game? I think so.

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I mean, it's literally hard to get

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tickets, but I think, does Timothy get free tickets, or is he shelling out 200 grand? I don't feel like he is. I feel like he's a little cardboard.

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So when you go to the Garden, he. I saw him on a podcast saying, like, one of his favorite things about being famous is the hookup he gets at the Garden because like when he was a kid, he used to like stand outside and scalp tickets. So I believe when you're. When it's a home game, the Knicks want all those celebrities. I believe even in the finals, like the, the big, big celebrities do get free seats. That's why sometimes they don't get the first row because there are paying people

[B]

who get the first row. But last night in San Antonio.

[A]

I think last night he had to

[B]

buy his tickets and he spent.

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He was in the secondary, third row.

[B]

How much do you think that cost him?

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I don't know. Much less than New York.

[B]

Much less. Like still 200 grand.

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No, 200 grand in New York.

[B]

Okay, 100 grand, maybe 50. 50 grand? Yeah. Sounds cheap. Yeah, I know Kylie's like on her trip with her friends, but she needs to come back home and support her man.

[A]

She absolutely needs to go to a game. I think we're more likely to see her in New York.

[B]

Yeah, they love New York.

[A]

They also get taken care of in New York. They get front row seats. And I don't think Kylie, I. There was when she went to the Cleveland game and she sat in the second row, one of those lip readers and she was like, it's so weird not being courtside.

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Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. I saw a video of someone who's deaf but who like lip.

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I love those girls.

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Like, shout out to you.

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Shout out to the lip reading.

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And so she's lip reading, like, because that's second nature to her and she's sharing what they're saying. I love that. She's definitely spot on.

[A]

Oh, speaking of things going on on the Internet, I have to tell you something that I know you know nothing about, but you are going to love. Okay, so there's a movie coming out with Jennifer Lopez and Roy Kent, who's Brett Goldstein from Ted Lasso. He's like the love interest. She's doing her one of her like dumb, like fake movies.

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Yeah.

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And no one's talking about the movie. I don't believe anyone's seen the movie. But the press tour that they're on, like, is genuinely like so cute. First of all, I ship so hard. He.

[B]

Is he single?

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I believe he's obsessed with her. Every time they're doing press, he's just so complimentary. They're sitting so close to one another, like shoulders like touching. And now maybe I'm just getting caught up cuz people are like making edits of it and it's like so romantic. But I. I don't know, like, I ship so hard. And people in the comments are like, I don't know what about this? Like, is making her so likable, too. She should really lean in and date him because, you know, she's had an issue with her Q score in recent years, and people are obsessing. It's literally the cute. And there are two people I would never even. I think it's weird that they aren't even cast in a movie together. I ship so hard. I ship so hard. That's what she needs, like, a nice Jewish husband.

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Oh, he's Jewish.

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His name is Brett Goldstein.

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Oh, I guess so. I guess so. Yeah. Very cute.

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So cute. Like, I ship so hard. Keep making edits. I love edits.

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Yeah.

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You know what edits are like?

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Yeah, like, fan edits. I've seen, like, Nickelandria Nicola. I saw the Nickel Andrea edits, like,

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before they worked on you.

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In the beginning, I thought they were hysterical. Like, you really make an edit out of everything you can.

[A]

An edit can make you, like, change your mind. I feel like the edits on TikTok about off campus is what got me to rewatch it. Like, once I was like, this show's bad. And then I watch the edits. I'm like, wait, is it. And it worked. So maybe people should start making, like, dramatic, romantic edits of us. Can you do that? Like, and I feel like that'll, like, encourage people to watch a toast.

[B]

Yeah, but. Yeah, sure.

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Edit makers.

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No, no, but, like, like, swirly friendship inspiring. Yeah, inspiring.

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Like, what's a motivational song? The sun is rising.

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Okay, I'm not gonna stop you.

[A]

Yeah. So why don't you make an edit of the bridge? And it's like, me and you just,

[B]

like, through the years, even when you can't imagine. And then, like, you see us, like, in the first studio, second studio, Even when you're drowning, they're in studio, and then the hard hands come together.

[A]

I mean, we just sort of, like, made our own edit, but.

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Yeah, no, no, they have to. They have to piece it together. But I think that, like, journey through the years, and then, like, we're together.

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That co journey through the years.

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My favorite kind of journey is a co journey.

[A]

So last night we had Love island, which we'll talk about at the end of the show. A little TV recap. In the fifth and final story, we.

[B]

Oh, I watched a little bit of in the City because I wanted to see that moment of Amanda and the fourth wall breaking, and I. I didn't realize that the meal that she was at with west was just her. West and Sierra.

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Yikes.

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That's it. And, like, west and Sierra show up together. Like, I guess, you know, for this show, they're just, like, Amanda's random friends. But it's like, are they showing up, like, as a couple? They weren't showing up as a couple. But then Amanda's. I love this. This is my dream come true. But it's, like, so crazy. I think she meant that them being friends is her dream come true.

[A]

I don't think she knows what she meant.

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Like, actually, she knows what she meant.

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And they're, like, spotted all over Italy. They went to the wedding. Now they're still in Italy. She's rocking that bun. Ponytail. What did you call it yesterday? Bunny.

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Bunny tail.

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I like that. And they seem to be going strong. Like, what are the odds that they go the distance, in your professional opinion?

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I. Oh, my God.

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I bet there's a poly market.

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Like, what people are saying. I know I'm gonna disagree with the streets. I just know it.

[A]

Okay, wait, hold on.

[B]

Tell me what they're saying.

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Oh, by the way, there is one. Amanda Batula and Wes Wilson break up before 2027. Question mark.

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No, you.

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Oh, I. Before 2027. No, I think that they have to see it through for. For longer in order to just, like, not be so hated. They say there's a 45% chance that they break up before the end of the year. I feel like that's like. Yeah, 50. 50.

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Like, so, okay, we're with the people.

[A]

It would be bad if they did. Yeah, I don't encourage them to do that whatsoever. Even though it's not. Like, I don't get the vibe that they're, like, listening to reason. They're sort of just doing whatever they want.

[B]

They're following their hearts.

[A]

Oh, you're shipping.

[B]

No, I don't think you should always follow your heart when it leads you into the abyss.

[A]

I love those predictions on Polymarket. Like, such a good use of my personal encyclopedia of knowledge. Of course, you can use code Code toast to skip the weight list and do the pop culture markets at Polymarket.

[B]

Sometimes you need to follow your head.

[A]

Sometimes you do need to follow your head. I agree. And I think that in this situation, when the heart and the head have conflicted. She chose the heart, and it was a bad decision. Yeah, Love island was boring. But we will talk about it.

[B]

Yes, we will.

[A]

And I can't tell if it's just, like, the start of a new season or this is a mid group and, like, a Mid season.

[B]

It's the start of a new season. We have to remember that, like, sometimes we get an episode like, that spans, like, two days. So much happens. The tectonic plates of the island have shifted. And then we get other nights, like. Like last night, where it's like, 45 minutes. We're just getting from, like, point A to point B. And you know what? I'm grateful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I've started. So I saw this reel on Instagram yesterday about this girl who's gonna be, like, walking on the treadmill every time she watches. And I thought that was so brilliant.

[A]

You gonna do it?

[B]

Well, it doesn't really work for me because I shower before Love Island, I get my cozies, and by that time of day, I can't even, like, open up a package, like, let alone start walking. If I didn't have to do the show, I would watch Love island, like, the next day at 3 o', clock. Walk and talk. And so I don't think that's for me, but I was watching last night while doing admin. Yeah.

[A]

Using it as a productivity album.

[B]

And it's like, I don't always have to, like, pause, even though that's something that I do. Like, if Zach comes in and says, like, do you want to drink? I have to pause. Like, I pause everything if he's talking. If he's watching TV and it's like, talk. Trying to say something to me. I'm like, are you gonna pause? Like, yeah.

[A]

I love that it's different. And I agree.

[B]

So I'm trying to do admin without pausing.

[A]

Yeah. No, using it as, like, a time management tool. I love very habit stacking.

[B]

Like, but if you're in a position to, like, watch Love island the next day and also, like, walk on the treadmill, you should do it because it's about 13,000 steps per episode. Wow. Six weeks. 13,000 steps. Like, hello, Summer. Yeah.

[A]

You get a walking pad on Amazon

[B]

you don't even need.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This girl had such a cute, like, walking pad.

[A]

I know that one. It folds and you can put it on your bed.

[B]

Yeah, No, I. I really. I thought it was. I wish it could be me, but I can't due to scheduling conflicts.

[A]

Yeah, that should be me, but it won't be.

[B]

But so try and love island with purpose. I love that. Yeah.

[A]

Love island to the top.

[B]

Like, you could. Even if you have to do, like, a treatment, you know, a hair mask, a face, or like, I just found my closet. A red light mask. Maybe I. Red light during Love Island.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. What was I doing during Love Island? I was just like being such a pick me and like checking the next score. Oh, yeah. I like sports. Like literally the least. Big deal. Stop making it such a big deal. All girls like sports, right?

[B]

Oh, just I don't know any.

[A]

Oh, just me.

[B]

I don't know any girls who don't like sports.

[A]

Me neither, because I only hang out with like, fellow pick mes.

[B]

That's like not liking beer.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And honestly, I just like, can't hang out with girls sometimes. Don't you feel like I'm much more of like a guy's girl?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I think so.

[A]

Yeah. And the stories today, question mark, you know?

[B]

Yeah, random. It's very Thursday. I feel like we've had like kind of a popping week. So, like, we have stories. Yeah. They've settled a little bit. Like, we don't have to, like, stick to the script so much. Like, we can talk and. And take our time, relax and be ourselves. Yeah. And then fifth and final story will also be TV recap because there is also, like, Love island news happening outside of the villa as the mayor continues to speak his truth. Oh, my God.

[A]

The mayor v. Sean is like, not what I had on my bingo card, but I'm very much sat for. I. I see that Sean's mother has no.

[B]

And like, every time Sean does something wrong, I'm like, the mayor was right about you.

[A]

Even though, like, kind of does not.

[B]

No, he does nothing wrong. I need the mayor to be the

[A]

next villager or, like, get the mayor on After Sun.

[B]

Oh, so this is what I was going to say about After Sun. Sierra is hosting after sun, which I'm pretty sure takes place in Fiji.

[A]

I'm pretty sure I don't know that

[B]

it does because the castmates, when they get kicked out of the villa, they go to After Sun.

[A]

Where does After Sun?

[B]

At the very least it's taking place in, like, la. No, it doesn't. Where does it take place?

[A]

Love island, usa. Huh. I'm not sure, but I don't think she's going to.

[B]

My concern was for Sierra, like, how she could also do Summer House if she's doing After Sun.

[A]

Not only that, but, like, she's prepping for Dancing with the Stars. Like, you need to. She's booked and busy Sonic. Like, she needs to.

[B]

Not gonna do Summer house, you think? I do think. But then they said that she actually gave producers an ultimatum, so, like, don't

[A]

make it easy for you to find out.

[B]

Oh, they don't want us to know

[A]

where they do, I think in 2024, according to this article, the Spino was filmed in Fiji alongside the main villa.

[B]

But it's like, when someone gets sent home from the villa, they immediately go to After Sun. Where is that happening?

[A]

And has the first episode of aftersun premiered?

[B]

No.

[A]

So we don't really know.

[B]

No, we don't know.

[A]

I feel like. No.

[B]

Do you feel this call that After Dale greater than After Sun? No.

[A]

What I feel is that, like, after sun only exists because of Afterdale. You're saying Afterdale. Our livestreamed Riverdale After.

[B]

You're saying Afterdale walked so after could run. I completely agree. Not appreciated in its own time.

[A]

Like, I don't believe the episodes of Afterdale exist, and I think that's for the best.

[B]

One time, we were live streaming after

[A]

Ben said a slur.

[B]

What did he say?

[A]

The thing in the show about Riverdale was that they were always referencing, like, brands, but changing the pronunciation a little bit for, like, legal. So they would instead of America.

[B]

Oh, I remember they said Americas. And then he said Magnolia.

[A]

And he was, like, making fun of how, like, they're always changing the names of brands. He was like, if they went to Magnolia Cupcakes, they would say, like. And then he said an F. Magnolia

[B]

with an F. Yeah.

[A]

And he was like. And it was actually, like, genuinely the closest Afterdale ever came to a scandal.

[B]

But I was gonna say my Afterdale had no scandals because one time we were streaming After Dale on Instagram, where we streamed, and we had nine viewers.

[A]

I don't believe you. Wait. In the way I remember Afterdell, it was, like, an insane hit.

[B]

So the reason why that. That scandal never surfaced is because, like, nobody cared.

[A]

Actually, the crazy thing, though, is, like, nine people were watching, and one of them was the creator of Riverdale Writer. He. The writer of the show he loved After Now, Right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

He's a huge TV writer. If we ever do, like, a TV show about us, Writer Ross.

[B]

Yeah, that would actually be a great show. Like, yeah, like, for podcasts.

[A]

It exists. Two podcasting sisters. It's called Nobody Wants this.

[B]

That's true. But it feels.

[A]

That's not our story.

[B]

It feels different in tone.

[A]

Did you see Bell Burden went on the Fosters podcast? It was a great guest.

[B]

I feel like I did.

[A]

Yeah. She was spilling tea.

[B]

What was she saying?

[A]

Well, they were like, did you send the book to your husband? Like, what does he think of all of this?

[B]

He, like, doesn't think. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

And so her answer very much reflected that she was Like I sent him the manuscript and he did request two changes and I think she said she obliged with one of them. And it was financial like what they disclosed about the divorce. And she was like, I do think he's angry, but he never said it. He never congratulated. He never said anything. Like, he's just mute.

[B]

He's just like going through life.

[A]

He's like the weirdest guy.

[B]

He's a zombie.

[A]

Yeah. That was a good guess for that.

[B]

He's like body snatched.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They should actually like perform tests on him based on what she shared about him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He has been body snatched.

[A]

Or like it is, I think a growing trend of like middle aged men of this generation like having some sort of mental health crisis.

[B]

Sure. And not wanting their wife or their children and just wanting like a new Corvette and a young wife.

[A]

Whatever.

[B]

But I think that man would still care about the huge book that's been written about him casting him as the villain. So the fact that he's just like blase about the whole thing is in congress with just a midlife crisis.

[A]

No, it's congress with psychosis. And that also is what the book very briefly touched on. It's like there is also an element of this where it's like he's probably

[B]

had a mental breakdown.

[A]

Yeah. Like. Like a clinical issue.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Medical. Call a doctor.

[B]

It does feel that way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The more he just sorts of lets this through lessons passing by and is he still the head of his hedge fund? Yes, I'm sure. And like they're not. Yeah. No one.

[A]

No one cares yet.

[B]

No one cares. That's so weird. Yeah.

[A]

I guess it's also like when you're a big swinging dick man, like with like, nobody cares of like what. What you do. No.

[B]

And I don't care if, you know, if he's managing my money. Well, I don.

[A]

Care what goes on in your personal life.

[B]

For real. But I do care that he might be in psychosis.

[A]

Correct. Like, what if the psychosis tells him to like invest in something that's not good?

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's what they have, like sort of

[A]

checks in place at those hedge funds to make sure like one person psychosis doesn't affect the whole portfolio. Okay.

[B]

Or like do they have checks in place to like make sure that he's not going through psychosis? And then Right.

[A]

When you're handling people's money, it's like you should have to check in annually for some sort of like mental health visit.

[B]

Yeah. Agree.

[A]

Physical and mental.

[B]

Yeah. But say he's Passing all those checks. It's like, okay, so she actually just doesn't care that his name is in the toilet?

[A]

In the toilet. Well, she never said his name, but, like, people figured it out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, really quickly. Just wanted to follow up at the beginning of the season, the new season of Friends and Neighbors. I came on and said that, like, the show was bad, and I just watched the most recent episode, and I take it back. Okay. It's sort of like the theme. Like, I watched it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe. I think it speaks to me just being, like, a negative person and, like, hating.

[B]

I think there is that, but I think more so is that you're impatient,

[A]

you know, you don't mean for this to become, like, sort of like a referendum town hall on me and, like, my issues, but sure, go.

[B]

No, I think. I think it's just an impatience. Like, let things bloom, let things grow.

[A]

Well, it's a really good season, and James Marson's doing an amazing job, and he was an amazing cast.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I've seen. I've also entered, like, the. The rabbit hole on Instagram about the Bobby Darin show. Do you know about it? On Broadway. And they keep, like, bringing in these guys. Like, Jonathan Groff was Bobby Darren. Everybody loved him. Matthew Morrison. And now there's a lot of people requesting that James Marston go to Broadway as Bobby Taryn. And, like, I kind of love it. He's so corny Collins. Bobby Darren. I don't see.

[B]

Bobby Darren is Somewhere.

[A]

Is that your favorite movie, beyond the Sea with Kevin Spacey, or is that Margot's favorite movie?

[B]

I've never seen that.

[A]

I've never seen it either.

[B]

It's Margot Lashtra's favorite movie, Bobby Darren, and he's not.

[A]

He sings that song. Not Bobby Zarin. Although I'm interested in the Bible.

[B]

I'm interested in the Broadway play.

[A]

He's like one of those very Sinatra types, like Dean Martin somewhere.

[B]

Okay. And so the show beyond the Sea,

[A]

and then he had a biopic starring Kevin Spacey called Beyond the Sea. That Margot Ashley. It's like, literally her favorite movie. Okay. Do you not know that?

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah. And then there's a Broadway play about him, too.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Bobby Daring.

[A]

I can't believe you've never seen beyond the Sea. I feel like it's your favorite movie. No.

[B]

Should I see it?

[A]

Ask Margot.

[B]

I feel like you're not. She that. Like, why would she know what that is?

[A]

I know it's like you're doubting me. Okay, let's just quickly call her yeah,

[B]

let's just call her. I miss her.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

She left yesterday. My dear, sweet Sachi.

[A]

Oh, I had a huge pimple. I just wanted to update everyone. Yeah, I'm so young. Hormones boosting through me. Huge pimple, like here to the point that it hurts, you know? And like, I can't even talk.

[B]

Please don't pop it.

[A]

Oh, I did already and it's so much worse. Don't I cover it up?

[B]

If you take anything away from the show, don't pop your pimples.

[A]

Wrong. If you want joy in your life, pop your pimples. You'll be ugly but joyful, yet ugly. Okay, maybe I'll leave marker. Like one of those voicemail videos.

[B]

I love those because I never see them. And then I hope one day when I'm like, really bored and like, really missing everyone.

[A]

Such a great idea. But why do people not receive them? Okay, I'm sending.

[B]

People don't receive them. They don't.

[A]

Hey, Sachi, we're recording the podcast and I was bringing up the fact that like randomly your favorite movie is beyond the Sea, the bio biopic of Bobby Darin. Can you confirm that that's true? Because Jackie's like, why would that be her favorite movie? And I just like want to prove that I know you better than her. So confirm or deny, your favorite movie is beyond the Sea. Bobby Darren biopic. Love you. Bye. Send.

[B]

We'll hear from her in five years.

[A]

She'll never get it. She will literally never get it.

[B]

Okay, well, let's get into the story, shall we?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Without further ad to do. It's been 20 minutes.

[A]

Time flies when you're so skinny and pretty. Don't you feel?

[B]

Without further ado, it is time for the best I stories that you to do need to know.

[A]

That would be a good Tik Tok audio. Like time flies. No, no. You were like, it's already been 20 minutes. And I say time flies when you're so skinny and pretty.

[B]

For sure you guys. Clip it.

[A]

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[B]

Thank you to Turt.

[A]

You're welcome.

[B]

Our first story. Some glorious news. Love Islands. Molly May and Tommy Fury welcome. Baby number two.

[A]

Really cute.

[B]

So Molly May shared yesterday that they had given birth and welcomed their second baby together. A girl. She captioned it, and then there were four. And it's a photo of, like, the baby on the bed with Molly, Tommy and Bambi.

[A]

Yeah. I'm curious what the name is because, like, Bambi was such a cultural shift. Yeah. And, like, out of left field. Like, no one could have predicted that. And it's so crazy because I was just thinking about Molly Mae and Tommy because I'm watching Love island and I know Love Island, US and UK are so different because I was like, these two would never go on Love island usa. Like last night when they had three people in a bed, like, filming a porno. I'm like, tommy and Molly would fucking never. It's insane that they're from this franchise, even though it's different because they're so fucking classy. Everything they do is, like, so hyper.

[B]

And it's crazy that, like, Molly. I mean, I watched it. I can't remember a certain moment, but, like, had to do these challenges, like, making out. I'm sure they did the challenges. Still, it wasn't as insane graphic. And I had heard the early seasons of Love Island UK were, like, really raunchy. Like, they're showing sex in the bed.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I've seen those clips. But that it smoking. Then they went on to, like, cable.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's what Love Island USA needs. They need to be on NBC so that they have to keep it in their pants.

[A]

That's actually a really good call.

[B]

It's like, because they're on Peacock, they can do whatever should get away with and then more and more. More. But it's like, it's a lot.

[A]

You're right about that. I never put that together.

[B]

They need the constraints of cable.

[A]

They do.

[B]

And the FCC needs to get in

[A]

there and like, the mothers groups and

[B]

say, like, Bryce, get own bed.

[A]

That was really sick. We'll save it for the TV recap. But I also wanted to say one more thing. What was it?

[B]

What do you think they'll name the baby? Let's do a prediction.

[A]

What was Bam. What was Bambi's mother's name like? Or like another Disney character?

[B]

No, I think they'll. You know what's just coming to me?

[A]

Cinderella. Is it a boy or a girl?

[B]

Girl. Cinderella. Do you know what's coming to me? Just. This is what I think. This is my predict Dove.

[A]

So pretty. Rapunzel. I'm sticking with the Disney theme name.

[B]

Bambi and Dove.

[A]

Dove is really pretty.

[B]

I love the name.

[A]

I Love the name Dove, too. The thing is, like, Dove is a name, though. And given her track record, she likes to choose names that, like, aren't really

[B]

names, but Bambi's now a name. Okay. If you want. Now think about, like, myth, stickle, Mythical animals, woodland creatures.

[A]

Yeah. Like someone from Madagascar or something.

[B]

Or like, Simba or like.

[A]

Oh, I just want to say Bambi and Nala is, like, a little too on the nose. That would be insane. Like, who is she married to? Bob Iger.

[B]

Like, I think Bambi and Dove is really cute.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

There was something else that I was thinking

[A]

for a name.

[B]

For a name for her. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I'm like, this is so fun. Oh. Trying to think of, like, Frozen. Oh, Sven.

[A]

Such a beautiful name. Oh, no, I got it. I got it. Weselton. I love it. It.

[B]

But I don't think she did Bam because of, like, Disney, necessarily. I think it's.

[A]

What is Bambi before the deer.

[B]

Yeah, it is a. It is a name of a deer, but it's, like, a very unique name. It's not like Apple.

[A]

She was so, like, ahead of the curve, that Gwyneth.

[B]

It's so true.

[A]

What did they say that Apple Martin is starring in? Oh, the next Nancy Myers movie. The pressure's on.

[B]

Can't wait.

[A]

Can't wait. And you're happy for Molly.

[B]

So happy for Mom. They've come so far. Like, you know what? And it's just such a great example of, like, work through hard things. It's true.

[A]

It's true. Don't give up on your family.

[B]

Try and make it work.

[A]

Yeah. Try and make it work. And, like. But it's also, like, a huge testament to, like, the men who are, like, living toxic lives, like, to stop doing that.

[B]

Yeah. It reminds me of Whitney and Connor. Another example of try and make it work.

[A]

It's true. They're making it work.

[B]

They're making it work.

[A]

And, like, I've never, ever been happier.

[B]

I don't want to talk about what he did.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It's like, I don't want to think

[A]

about it too hard.

[B]

It's like, what are you doing?

[A]

It's like we kind of can't come back from it, but.

[B]

Yeah, but what if we just didn't think about it too hard? What if we moved on with forgiveness and love in our hearts and, like, and real earnestness in trying to make it work for our young family?

[A]

Yeah. I. I respect them both. Whitney and Connor, and now Tommy, like, setting aside, like, your personal grievances to, like, Prioritize your family and keep your unit together at like a cost to your self esteem or whatever is such an admirable thing to do. And it's the right thing to do, but it's the hard thing to do. So I commend them both. I hope they're so happy.

[B]

I hope so too. Mazel tov to the Furies.

[A]

Mazel tov to the Furies.

[B]

Are you ready for our next story? Another mazel. Andy Cohen, and he's so crazy, and his new boyfriend were all smiles during a Miami getaway. So Andy Cohen has been spotted, like walking down the street. I didn't see these pictures.

[A]

I saw them walking outside of Via Corroto.

[B]

Yes. Here. This is them in Miami. But I saw the Via Croto I had further away. Sorry. I'm like, why don't you zoom out more? There you go.

[A]

Wait. Like, seriously? So cute. It's crazy that Andy's been in the public eye. I've read all of his books. It's not that he doesn't date. He always, like, keeps it under wraps. I don't think he's had like many long term relationships, but the ones that he's had in the last 20 years, we have not known about. So they must be like married.

[B]

At what level are they at? They're like spotted together. He was at the Via Corro thing was his birthday party, right? Oh, was it? And so his man was on his arm.

[A]

Who is who? What?

[B]

When we're. His name is Kevin Sobieski. He is the ex boyfriend of Pasek. Of Pasek and Paul.

[A]

The world is so small. You're kidding.

[B]

Not kidding.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He's a businessman.

[A]

Okay. Unemployed.

[B]

I need to know his age because I would have thought like Andy would

[A]

go longer, a little younger. Yeah. But I think at some point, like when you want to be serious, Andy also has two kids. Like when you're actually like gonna let someone in your life and around your kids, it has to be a serious person. But that is still young. How old is Andy's like, well into his 50s.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When I saw a picture of Andy with her boyfriend, like, I've never. We've seen him paparazzi a thousand times with fabulous friends and by himself and the dogs and the kids. Never with another, like, significant other. I don't know why. I think this is the craziest thing.

[B]

The photos were a bit shocking. Yes, yes.

[A]

And I'm very happy for him. Like, I love this sort of stable era. He must be a great guy. I'm sure, like SJP loves him.

[B]

Oh, I'm sure he is. Works at a private equity and investment firm. So he has, like, a real job. He graduated from Harvard.

[A]

Oh, my God. Like, nor like, we should be encouraging. Like, he's setting an example. Like, date people with jobs and college degrees. It's so important.

[B]

He dated Benj Pasek from 2018 to 2022. So he's like, familiar with the limelight.

[A]

Right. He's also, like, in a very, like, elite NYC gay scene.

[B]

Yes, that's probably how they met. Yes. And he's. And his first public relationship in years.

[A]

Yeah. I think his last ex is John Hill, who he talks about in his book a lot, who's now like his best friend. I think he hosts Radio Andy.

[B]

That was in the early 2000s. But more recently he dated a epidemiologist, Clifton Dasanoko.

[A]

A what?

[B]

Epidemiologist.

[A]

I see. Epidemiologist.

[B]

Yeah. What's that? Epidemiologist.

[A]

Epidemiologist. Okay. I'm gonna say it has something to

[B]

do with skin, like epidermis.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But it's not a dermatology and analysis.

[A]

Okay. Epidemiology is a study and analysis of the distribution patterns and determinants of health and disease conditions in a defined population. So he's more of like a research analyst. It is a cornerstone of public health. Shapes policy decisions and evidence based practice by identifying risk factors for disease and targets preventative health care. So it's not a doctor.

[B]

It's either like a very serious job or a very fake job. But it's good to be in a role where no one knows, like, goals.

[A]

I just want to say, like, Andy is the helm of Bravo, which is like this insane universe with, like, seriously some of the craziest fans. So I do understand why his, like, personal life has largely been kept secret because that's not. Not what he signed up for. That's what the people who work for him have signed up for. So I am afraid of, like, what the fans are gonna do.

[B]

No, I, I think the fans know better than to, like, mess with Andy. You know, he'll take your show right away from you. He'll fire your favorite housewife. It's true.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

So you don't want to start with him.

[A]

Did you also see Andy, like, have this big admission on Radio Andy? Because we've sort of been waiting. He said that there was like, a crazy story about who figured out who the rat was at the summer house reunion. Everybody was saying it was Jennifer Lawrence. He said that, like, he was like, hyping it up, up, like when it happened too much. Like they never really were able to figure out who helped them figure it out. And it wasn't Jennifer Lawrence. And he like, regretted hyping it up because it became this whole thing and he, like, didn't know what to do about it.

[B]

I feel like we've been there, like, and it happens.

[A]

I actually respected his honesty.

[B]

I respect the honesty as well. Thank you. I can move on.

[A]

I also want to say I feel like Radio Andy. Andy and Watch what Happens Live Andy are two different people. You know, you're in a different mood

[B]

in the morning than you are at night 1000%.

[A]

And I find Radio Andy, like, to be such a likable version of Andy. Whenever I see clips, I'm like, oh, that's Andy. Like the guy on Watch Happens Live. I feel like sometimes he's in such a bad mood, it's so not fun to watch. But Radio Andy, I feel like he's sort of like, built for radio.

[B]

Yeah. Radio and radio's easy. And I'm sure they don't do video. I wonder what pays more. I'd be happier, like, for the job that pays more. And like, I don't have to be on video. Right. And I'm not staying up till 11:30.

[A]

Yeah. And it's like he sits and talks to his friends on Radio Andy. The hostess is friend John. Like, watch, I'm live. He has to talk to people that I know he hates.

[B]

Yeah. It's a lot, you know, to always be at that, like, level of like,

[A]

like fun and like, I'm the silly

[B]

gay guy everyone loves. Like, like it's annoying. Yeah. Sometimes you just want to relaxify every

[A]

night, every conversation and morning.

[B]

Yeah. But you're saying the morning's not, like

[A]

the mornings are just so chill.

[B]

Relax.

[A]

I also think he doesn't like the structure of his own show because he's always rushing through things. And like, you know what?

[B]

And you know what? I'm going to say something. Cancel the after show. There's no need for the Watch what

[A]

Happens Live still doing it.

[B]

They're still doing an after show. It's. It's actual, like, it's an abuse of labor laws. It's true. And like, we watched Watch it's enough. Let Andy go home.

[A]

Yes. Let Andy go. Let. Don't do it though. It's like an optional thing.

[B]

Maybe he would give more to the main show.

[A]

Yeah. If he knew, like, it was over.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

Cuz it's like if you didn't make it onto the main show, if the, if the conversation like for a reason and maybe maybe like less stupid games.

[A]

No, I think everyone loves the stupid. Maybe that's like fan interactions like with the questions. Because people like are always wasting time

[B]

and it's a real trigger for him.

[A]

Yeah. And Andy hates the fan questions, so. Yeah, like switch it up.

[B]

Yeah. Why do we have to have fan questions?

[A]

The stupid games are the best part. Sorry, like don't do. Do more of that. Like that's silly and fun. The fan interactions, like people do abuse the time. They don't realize because they don't work on tv. They don't realize. It's like go, go, go.

[B]

This is their performance.

[A]

I loved your book, Ryan Sirhan. I've been watching you for 15. Like, no.

[B]

And it's like you're finally getting to talk to your favorite. I understand why, like you want to tell them what you think.

[A]

I understand why Andy hates it too.

[B]

Yes, I do. But he needs so yeah, watch up

[A]

inside needs like a little bit of a shake up. We need more radio Andy energy. He's so relaxed on the radio. He's always sharing things. I feel like later in the day he's like, maybe I shared too much. Like, yes.

[B]

Yeah. More. More over sharing.

[A]

More over sharing.

[B]

Are you ready for our next story? Just as one ship sets sail, another comes back to port. Camila Cabello and her billionaire boyfriend have split after 18 months of dating.

[A]

Hate to see a woman lose a billionaire.

[B]

You do pains me. So Camila Cabello has been dating Henry Jr. ChildHub and he is a 40 year old billionaire. His family owns the luxury fashion distribution giant Childhube Group.

[A]

What do they own?

[B]

Childhood. Let's go find out. Yeah.

[A]

So like he's not a 40 year old billionaire. He's like a 40 year old son.

[B]

He's a 40 year old heiress.

[A]

And I know obviously like an heiress is amazing, like who wouldn't want to marry an heiress? But don't you feel like it's a little bit of an ick?

[B]

Well, of course.

[A]

It's like you have never had a job in your life.

[B]

Yeah. But there are some heirs who like air well. And they're, you know, going to take over the business. And there's all different versions of like the Air son.

[A]

Right. The mango guy who killed his dad for the job.

[B]

But like there are the ones that are primed to take over.

[A]

I mean it's literally Yellowstone. There are Casey's, there are best, there are Jamie's Exactly.

[B]

An heiress is always fun.

[A]

They are not. That's. I was not talking about heiress and heiress.

[B]

You're talking about male heir.

[A]

A male heir.

[B]

It's like looking through the lens of it as a romantic partner.

[A]

Yeah, it is. Like, obviously, like, I would love to marry, you know, someone who's a billionaire. It's. But it's like, it's. Your dad's a billionaire. Like, what have you ever done in your life? I don't know. It kind of gives me the ick. I know that's crazy.

[B]

Say. So the group. Oh, that's like, yesteryear.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

So, like, his dad is, like, a billionaire. He's like, oh, like, ballerina farm. But yeah, no, it's. Oh, you guys. Redhead's episode comes out today. I just have to record the ads. You all need to listen to it. It's so fire. Because it's like, we talk about how it's just like, about, like, what components are, like, ballerina farm. But yes, her husband's father is, like, super. Well, ballerina farms in real life. Wife. Her husband's father, like, started JetBlue. In the book, he's, like, a politician. He's running for president, and he is, like, a bad heir. Like, he is, like, a. An unmotivated, lazy heir. And, like, has zero purpose.

[A]

I don't know. Hog fathering. Who is.

[B]

I kept calling him Daniel.

[A]

Yeah, right. I don't know.

[B]

His name in the book is Caleb.

[A]

I don't know. Daniel. The real life Caleb. Caleb. But I actually don't think he's a bad heir. Like, he has unique interests, for sure. Like, most heirs aren't into, like, raising cattle and creating dairy products, but he's a hustler. Like, I think a lot of their, like, commercial success was him. Like, he's. She's, like, very much a face. And, like, she's. It's like, her philosophy. But he's sort of, like, merchandised.

[B]

Well, that's like, in the book. They go on there for a seat, and he was like, what do you want for your life? And she was like, she grew up in Idaho, so she's like, I'd like a. A farm in between a couple mountains, you know, with the cow and some kids. Kids. And. And then she was like, what do you want? And he was like, I don't know, but. But that sounds nice.

[A]

Okay, but respect, like, not knowing what you want.

[B]

So it's like her vision that, like, he. Yeah. That he brought to life in the book. It's very nefarious.

[A]

Miranda Lambert said it perfectly. Daddy gave life to mama's dream. Like, it's beautiful. It's a timeless American tale.

[B]

That's beautiful. That reminds me also of the Cody Johnson song the Painter.

[A]

I kind of want to never speak to you again for introducing me to that song.

[B]

The painter. So upset about how the woman, like, brings color to the world.

[A]

Obviously I don' it, like, if I'm a romantic, it's literally about Ruby. Like, is Ruby the painter?

[B]

Are you the painter?

[A]

My life was black and white, but he's the painter.

[B]

Oh, he's the painter.

[A]

I don't remember. This is how we sing it live before. Who came into the picture? Like, seriously, I can't listen to that song. It always makes me cry. And it was on like, my birthday. Think about it.

[B]

From like, Ben can't remember life before you came into the picture.

[A]

Sure. Like, I literally don't care what Ben thinks about me. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's me and Ruby.

[B]

Did you listen to the song last night that I told you to listen to?

[A]

I did. Jackie was like, there's this new Dan and Chase song. Like, it's so emo. Like, you should listen to it. It's gonna make you cry.

[B]

I heard it for the first time on Ruby's birthday.

[A]

I didn't like it, like, and I didn't think it was like, powerful. And I didn't want to tell you that because, like, I don't want to shit on her.

[B]

Well, that's fine. I just like, was listening on Ruby's birthday, he had turned one and it was about how, like, you know, you're young and then you're gonna be like the old man soon. It's just like, about how time flies when you're like, beautiful and skinny.

[A]

Well, that song for me is Thomas Rhett. Remember you young. I can't fucking take that. So song also, the reason why I asked you about that song was because I'd never really listened to fathers and Sons, Luke Combs's album. Because, like, I. I know like, you know, friends are famous and like, I know like the hits, but I never really gave it like a deep dark listen to. And I was like, cuz, you know, there'll be a time where I'm ready for that. And like, my favorite song, like, I also on my playlist that I can't listen to is take you with me by Luke Combs, which is like very much Fathers and sons coded. So I listened to Fathers and sons and like, literally I had to stop. And that's why I asked you about that.

[B]

Dan and J, you were just like in the mood to cry.

[A]

Yes, Yes. I put Ruby down early and I was like, what should I do now? Maybe I should try. Yeah. And Bedwin's a no. I'm like, this feels like the perfect time to self harm.

[B]

I know. A perfect time. Just have a good cry. Sometimes you have to cry.

[A]

Absolutely. I cry pretty much every night when I put Ruby down. Like there's like an hour between like putting him down and like when my shows start.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I usually use that hour, like look at pictures from the day he was born.

[B]

You need to move to a different time zone where the shows start at seven because like it's eight o'. Clock.

[A]

It's bad for my mental health.

[B]

Yeah. So that like you could sort of skip over that hour. We'll see you on central time.

[A]

What was the story? Oh, Camila Cabello.

[B]

Oh yeah. Childhood group. They are the.

[A]

Oh, what do they own?

[B]

The largest luxury operator in the Middle east. They represent over 300 brands, like doing distribution in retail. So like they don't own the brand. They have a couple in house brands that you've never heard of, but they more so like man distribute in retail.

[A]

It is crazy. Like that makes you a billionaire because like they can't even explain what they do.

[B]

Like I don't think they want us to. To look into it.

[A]

I was actually just watching this insanely interesting video about Walmart. Smart. You know, they're headquartered in Arkansas, like this small town. I think it's called Fayetteville. Don't quote me on that. And they have created like if you've ever been to the town there it looks like what's the place in San Francisco where like all the tech companies are?

[B]

Silicon Valley.

[A]

It looks like Silicon Valley. You know, everyone has like in the intern, like it's like a campus like every the parks and Walmart built this whole, whole town. And it was why Walmart decided to spend like billions of dollars creating like a basically like a, a haven. And it was like in order to attract people to come work. Not people don't want to live in Arkansas if you're like operating at a high level, like a C suite executive, like why would they move to Arkansas when they can get a great job in like New York or whatever. So it's like the most amazing place to live. I kind of like want to work for Walmart now.

[B]

You should. What would you do there?

[A]

I could be like the face of the company.

[B]

In what sense?

[A]

Model, spokesperson.

[B]

I don't know if the model. I don't know if the models live there.

[A]

Well, I would obviously be like the in house model. What are you not getting? Do you need to explain it more? I'm beautiful and thin and they need a model wherever.

[B]

You would model all goods?

[A]

Yeah, well, they would just generally like, take my, like, you know when you, like, do a video game and you have to, like, wear all those dots on, I would want them to get my whole face, my whole image, so I don't have to go to work everyday modeling. They could just use my nails and likeness while I enjoy all.

[B]

You, like, sit there and Fayetteville live off the land.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Understood. Okay. Of course. Of course.

[A]

They have, like, insane parks. Like, real, like, all public spaces are, like, funded.

[B]

You love parks.

[A]

I know. It was the parks that got me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bentonville. Thank you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Fayetteville is something else, though. Yeah, it's in Arkansas.

[B]

Okay. Okay. Well, see you in Bentonville.

[A]

You will. You won't.

[B]

Are we ready for our next story?

[A]

It's our next story that's brought to you by Weight Watchers because one thing about us, we are watching our weight. We're not liking what we're seeing, we're not liking what we're watching, but we're watching it.

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[B]

Thank you. Only on Dirt.

[A]

You're welcome. Only on Dirt.

[B]

Our next story, Amanda Francis went on the vial files, and she's talking about a lot of things.

[A]

Okay. Did you also see that Rihanna had DM'd?

[B]

Yes. Telling her, like, not to give up.

[A]

And I kind of agreed with Rihanna's take.

[B]

Yes. So Amanda's talking about, like, being on the show about Rihanna's message about how she's feeling about next season. She still has not made a decision. She also was talking about Dorit's house, and she said, sometimes I consider buying it. She said, if it wasn't so modern, if it wasn't so pigeonholed into this one specific style, and I thought we'd have an easier time renovating it into something that would make us money. I think I would absolutely consider buying it. I like the headline, money queen buys house, but I don't think it'd be a fun renovation for us. That's funny, considering the way that she renovated Kyle's house is so chewy.

[A]

No.

[B]

Is the look of the Dorit's.

[A]

No. No. Doritz is so builder grade farmhouse. Like, it's actually shocking that Dorit's lives in a house that's, like, so lacking real style and, like, personality because her style is, like, so colorful.

[B]

And I agree it's like not congress with personal style, but that is a style. And at the time that Dorit bought her house, the style of, like, modern farmhouse and like, Dorit's is like a huge version of it. And what Amanda did to Kyle's house

[A]

is not really farmhouse. It's very, like, chi millennial. No.

[B]

Like, she put the blue black windows on and made it, like, white and black farmhouse.

[A]

Also, she shouldn't move. I think that there's, like, really good energy in that Kyle Richards house. I think Kyle would agree. I think it's like a house where, like, it's like, a great place to raise your family. It just gives really positive vibes. I don't think she should buy Dorit's house. And also, I think Doritos gives terrible vibes. Like, they got divorced. It was robbed. Like, no.

[B]

Yeah. She had some things to say about Dirt's finances, which are hard to hear for me, but I actually think she's, like, saying a lot of things that make sense. She said, I was trying to understand how much understanding Dorit had of her finances, and she didn't know. I think it's just really obvious. If you're not sure the mortgage mortgage is getting paid, call the mortgage company. And if the mortgage isn't getting paid, even if it's supposedly your ex's responsibility, if you want to save the home, pay the mortgage and spend less on designer clothes. I love to shop, but I would never not pay my mortgage.

[A]

Right.

[B]

She suspected that Dorit believed PK would look bad once people realized he was not paying a mortgage mortgage. And Amanda said that everyone looks bad. And she told Dre, you have to pay your bills. As far as season 16 and her coming back to this show, she said, it's not official. And I'm not sure even my husband was the strongest one saying, you shouldn't do that again, baby. We're really unhappy. But he's had a change of heart. It's more psychological space than anyone can understand. It's kind of a painful experience.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She said you can tell when you're filming with them with the girls. She said, I think me not needing the show irritated some of my cats castmates. Those who need it, like, need the money, make their responses bigger than they actually are. Those who need it are always trying to make sure they're getting the camera time, and they're very different on camera than off camera. So when you get there and you feel like people are doing whatever they have to do for their strategy and their storyline and their takedown, you're like, how do I ever get to know you?

[A]

I do feel like she's ripe for an amazing second season. I do still believe that she's, like, not a good fit and poorly cast. But now, like, knowing what I know about her, I think think that she's misunderstood and she could now, knowing what she knows, like, have a great season if she doesn't have to. And I don't understand her finances. I can't lie. Like, I have no idea how she's affording all of this stuff. Then don't do it. But I think probably it's helped a lot with, like, her digital company and her digital courses because, like, while Some people think she's crazy. Some people maybe resonate with the whole manifesting money.

[B]

And if she has good courses, which I feel like she does because people. She said she has like such a good, like return rate, retention rate, and people like it. So if people, like discovered her through the show and got the course and the course is good, then that's good for her business. Yeah.

[A]

And while she started poorly, I do think by the end, like, I ended up having a lot of respect for how she handled a lot of the situations. I think, like, she kind of ate up some of the women, like bows a little bit. She has potential.

[B]

I think she should come back just because she shouldn't be a one season wonder with, like the worst season.

[A]

It's such a bad way to go.

[B]

Very Peggy Suahanian, I think. I think even though it's very hard for her and she said this, like, she said that, like, filming is just like so draining. Draining on her. She had a break where she didn't film for one week over this past season just because of how things shook out. And she remembered the producer was like, how are you doing after not filming for a week? And she was like, my brain turned back on the creativity I was able to give to my business this week is something I haven't given in months. The presence I was given to my children. I became myself again. So, like, that's really hard to go back. And yeah, filming is definitely like a toxic, hard situation, but especially when you're

[A]

not really like in the inner circle circle. But no one's protecting you.

[B]

Yeah, but no one ever thought that it's like a fun, actually for some

[A]

people, like it seems. Oh, that would be fun, you know, being pretty cool.

[B]

It's definitely fun and easy and light for a time.

[A]

I think it looks fun.

[B]

Yeah. But it was definitely not fun for her. I think she would have a better second season. I do think that she should come back to like.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

[B]

And I do think there's more to her. I. I'm open. I'm open. The first episodes where people really hated her, I didn't like her, but I didn't hate her as much as ever. Everyone. And I really maintain the fact that, like, that whole original sin of like, Kyle said this and then you made it your own opinion and you've repeated it like it's just not that big of a deal. And that's what she means.

[A]

Like, it's more so Kyle, like dorit and I think a little bit lost in the sauce because Dorit was, like, annoyed at this new girl talking about her, but more so at Kyle.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So she was sort of collateral. If it wasn't Kyle, it would have

[B]

been all about Dorit and Amanda. Not for the first few episodes. And then, because I think dorit and Kyle were trying to maintain some sort of, like, Dayton, and it just wasn't that big of a deal to me, so I didn't understand all of the ire.

[A]

I also feel like she's referencing in this interview Erica a little bit, like, people who need the money having, like, really outsized reactions. It did feel like a lot of Erica this season was, like, so drama over things like that weren't that big of a deal.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know, because obviously Doris, she's usually, like, cool as a cucumber, right?

[A]

No, she was, like, kind of weird

[B]

this season, but some of the things. Things, like, is personal stuff to her. Like, her friendship with Kyle and Dorit, like, is real. I think she doesn't care so much when it's, like, up here at the surface, Sutton. I don't think she cares so much.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So I don't know. Yeah, I guess, like, Dorit has big reactions, but Dorit has always had big reactions.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

Who else needs the show for the most part?

[A]

And why? I, like, the franchise is like, no, it's not like, a group of, like, desperate, financial, forsaken women.

[B]

It does sound like Erica Durie, Bose.

[A]

No, Bose is fine, and Bose didn't have any, like, crazy, outsized reactions. That's one of my favorite things about her. She's, like, so mellow and, like, very measured.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. She could be talking about both. She also, like, does just be talking. She doesn't really like both. Yeah. Right. So she. I feel like she'd be shading her.

[A]

Yeah. I think she should mend her friendship with Dorit.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was a good interview for her. Even all the quotes that I'm reading, like, she comes off, like, very coent and likable, and I'm. I'm. I'm open to her. Our fifth and final story, Love island recap. A little news is that Sean's mother has responded to the mayor. The mayor. So as you know, the mayor of the police department that Sean worked for,

[A]

like, spoke out about how, like, disgraceful. This guy who, like, used all the resources from the police force to join the academy, become a police officer, only to quit within one year to join a show, like, blowing up his spot, like, and while maybe that's like, an argument worth having, like, publicly blowing up his spot, like, to, like, get attention for your police force is, like, really lame.

[B]

So Sean's mom responded saying, this is Sean's mom. And this makes me very sad because the mayor doesn't see what a huge missed opportunity this was. I care about facts. So let's start with Sean put in for leave. Secondly, they didn't pay for a full academy for Sean. Sean came to Pennsylvania after being a Contra sheriff deputy deputy since April 2021, and they paid to put him through a full academy.

[A]

So, you know, because he had a son.

[B]

I'm not saying they didn't do any training, but they also weren't fully honest about all the details. I'm proud of my son. It is a brave decision to put yourself out there, to find love under the microscope of the world. And then also she commented something else, saying he put in for leave to go on the show, and it didn't come through until he had already left

[A]

and it was denied.

[B]

Slay mama.

[A]

Like, yeah, protect your son. And thank you for providing those facts. I did forget, like, he had to move, so. So, yeah, it wasn't this particular police force that was responsible for the funding of his career. When he said he was a police officer for six years, the first five were before he moved to Pennsylvania.

[B]

Yeah, they were mayor. They were in Contra. But every time Sean does, like, anything wrong, which he's really not, he seems like. Like a really nice guy, you know, it's like Sean V. Mayer.

[A]

Sean B. Mayer. I want to say I am hating. Have they ever done this Paradise Villa thing before? The threesome?

[B]

Like, literally, Paradise Cove.

[A]

We're watching a pornography. When I saw that big jumbo bo ass bed, I was like, hell, no.

[B]

So I was doing admin when I saw what happened with the girls and Gabriel. No, not Bryce.

[A]

Oh, because what happened to Bryce?

[B]

I was. I was all that. Like, that was like, namesake on steroids.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

That bed was Zach and Kada.

[A]

Three people sleep. It's already crazy that they, like, make you sleep with your partner, but it's like a good social, like, psychological experiment. The making out, being in a room,

[B]

sleeping in the same bed over there. I was actually not a pornography. I was glad that he was declined, of course, because the alternative made out with him onlyfans. Like, this is insane. And then what happened with the girls in Gabriel?

[A]

He was, like, giving them both the time of day, like, in the bed. Oh, oh, oh, no. I think they all just Slept okay. But, like, he was definitely more into Bea in the bed. Like, just before conversations, they had a date afterwards.

[B]

Like, in the bed. Like, in the bed.

[A]

They only showed up for one second. They were all just sleeping. Like, nothing crazy. As they all showed up.

[B]

No one touching.

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay, that's nice. Yeah, that's really uncomfortable. And I would feel bad for these people that, like, oh, my gosh, you're going on a show and now they're forcing you to, like, make out left, right and center. But this literally what they signed up for. And I'm pretty sure that they were told, like, you can't not do this. So do you want to come on the show or not?

[A]

Of course. And also, like, Bryce and Trinity both not getting chosen by the bombshells and having to recouple as, like, two losers. Like, I was seriously cracking.

[B]

But maybe they could be bonded in loser dumb. I kind of ship well.

[A]

That's how I felt. Why didn't they just also couple up Kenzie and Sean? Because now they're both.

[B]

That's always thing.

[A]

No, and they're actually, the more I saw them, like, the two goofy, big smiles, I'm like, oh, you're perfect for each other. Yeah, Trinity and Bryce are not a good match.

[B]

But that's, like, not how couples usually happen. We always have, like, a couple singles. We'll get some more bombshells. We have to have people who are vulnerable. If there's a recoupling, they could. Like, if the girls are picking, why

[A]

would Bryce and Trinity get rematched?

[B]

Oh, because they're still in their couple, like, right?

[A]

Oh, they tried to leave unsuccessfully.

[B]

Yeah, I like that they got rematched. And I think that, like, maybe they'll appreciate each other now.

[A]

Then somebody on Twitter pointed out to me that Bea has clear braces. And I wish that they didn't because they're like, first of all, I need the name of her dentist. They are so clear. Like, I can't see them. I'm like, no. What are you guys talking about? She doesn't have braces. She does. I wish somebody told me, I can't watch a show. It's so distracting. I'm always trying to catch the brace. Like, I don't know why. I'm like, oh, I see it. Oh, I see. I think maybe it's only the bottom. I seriously don't know. I can't see it.

[B]

It's so going on. Lem with brace is. Is crazy work.

[A]

It's insane.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's what we were saying. She has so much confidence like and I think that's what like really find like people find attractive about her is she's like very person. Like leads with her personality. Obviously she's like an amazing body and she's beautiful but like her personality shines through first which is kind of crazy. So yeah, only like a person with insane self confidence would get braces before going on tv or not get braces

[B]

on TV or just get them taken

[A]

off like and then it's only six weeks. You could put them right.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

They're so normal looking.

[B]

Yeah. I, I don't know.

[A]

I like Sean and Kenzie. I just want to say.

[B]

Yeah, like Kenzie, they're not letting her go.

[A]

Kenzie's insane.

[B]

Like why she cruisers are not letting her go.

[A]

Of course. Cuz she's clearly like the most emotional because to literally cry over a guy who you like kissed once on Love island, like all day she was crying like in the hideaway in the glam room. Like why are you still crying?

[B]

Yeah. But it really hurts that like Kada is the most beautiful woman on the planet.

[A]

Know it sucks to lose to Kate as she's insane looking.

[B]

I'm really glad she's here.

[A]

Me too. Definitely brought up the group average.

[B]

Really, really beautiful. And it's a lot of pressure on her to have a good personality because on this show like people come in. I was telling you about Adriana, like

[A]

someone from last season. She was a bombshell and like the world stopped.

[B]

Everyone like left there. They left their wives.

[A]

They said she used to date Michael B. Jordan.

[B]

Yeah. Like everyone was shook. Like everyone would have left their girlfriend Andrea. Everyone would have left their girlfriend to be with her. And then she made no impact. She made no impact. She got sent home. Like no one wanted to couple up with her. And it's like, wow, your personality must just be such a dud.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So yes, your looks will get you to a place but it's not everything.

[A]

Now the pre existing couples like Sincere and Melanie is that her name. Are actually really cute.

[B]

They're strong.

[A]

I want to like Anaya and Casey, but I feel like Casey just too excited to be dating the daughter of a basketball player. Like when he found out he could not like get that smile off his face. He looked like he had just like sort of like found a treasure. Like he was like that meme, you know the yellow jacket guy where he's like by the train. Like I, I actually think he's like a nice guy and I don't get like bad vibes.

[B]

I Don't think that's a bad thing. That, like, I like you. Oh, my gosh. And I'm so excited that, like, you're married into, like, like, and she's wealthy girl. Like, great. Excitement excites me. I don't.

[A]

Also, we need a meme of the yellow jacket guy being like, Casey. When he found out what a nice dad does for a living. He was so excited.

[B]

Yeah. And, like, good. He should be. It's exciting. And if she was worried about, like, people using her for that fact, she wouldn't have shared it.

[A]

Now I have a question about Love

[B]

island, and I would think that's lame. Like, you are who you are.

[A]

And I know I brought this up last season, but, like, I don't really understand why they have a host. And it's like, always a big deal. Ariana gets her, like, slow mo walkthroughs. They have this, like, high profile style host and they use her sometimes for challenges, sometimes not. But like the rose ceremonies. What are they called? Fire pit ceremonies. Recoupling, like big moments. It's all done on the text. It makes. What's the point in having a host?

[B]

Maybe they don't want to, like, pay her hourly rate.

[A]

It's insane.

[B]

It's really weird.

[A]

She doesn't need to show up literally at all, except. But she's, like, having cocktails with them. Like, what the.

[B]

No. And she does some recouplings, but not.

[A]

Does she. Yeah, I feel like she, like the host does no recouplings. It's always the phones. She does no recouplings and, like, the phones. Yes.

[B]

And some challenges are with a host.

[A]

With a guest host.

[B]

With a host. Some challenges are, like, remote. Yeah. Who hosts the challenges? Some, I guess they have guest people coming. Yeah. But like, sometimes none.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just usually Ian explains to us what's gonna go down him.

[A]

I love him when he said, and here comes Bryce quoting like a.

[B]

Like an informal doula. An informal midwife. What's up, baby?

[A]

He's actually very funny. I would think that, like, that shtick is stupid. It's not. It's very well done.

[B]

Very surprising.

[A]

Yeah. I wonder who writes those jokes.

[B]

Like, he does. He's a comedian.

[A]

Really? Yeah. There's definitely, like, a team of writers for sure.

[B]

But he is a comedian. Yeah.

[A]

It's hysterical. Hysterical.

[B]

Hysterical.

[A]

Put Love island on cable.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That bed scene was just too much. When I saw that, like, XXL bed, I got a pit in my stomach. I'm like, no way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then like, what's a New guy's name.

[B]

Gabriel.

[A]

Gabriel is like choking Bea. And Trinity's just like watching on the bed. Like, it was literally porn. It's insane. We're watching porn.

[B]

It's very weird. It's wrong, I know, but that's the show. So, like, do you want to watch a show or not?

[A]

Like, not that part.

[B]

Yeah, I sort of like, you could disassociate. Yeah. I want to take a stand, though. Like, they actually don't care about courting viewers like us.

[A]

Yeah. No, because we're not like Gen Z morons who like make Twitter fan pages. Like, they want, like, that really, like Gen Z toxic sort of fan base.

[B]

Yeah. And more porn.

[A]

Not the level headed millennials.

[B]

No, they really don't care. Like, every criticism I've ever had, they turned it up.

[A]

Yeah, right. They just do more of it.

[B]

They probably watch the show.

[A]

What does Jackie. I'm not like, let's do more of it.

[B]

Yeah. Which I don't think that's a good strategy, but I guess all my favorite shows get canceled, so maybe it is. Keep doing what you're doing. But I do think that, like, the show overall, like, like benefits from very good marketing and just being a part of the zeitgeist. They got there with that season of like, Leah.

[A]

Yes. That was huge for. Because we were watching Love Island USA before that season. No one was watching. No one was Shannon and Josh.

[B]

So they had like one really strong season and they're like living off of the goodwill of that and they have very good marketing and hype. But the show is not good. So it's only a matter of time before the jig is up.

[A]

Yeah. This season, Last season was very good. I will say that. I know you didn't like it, but I think in terms of, of drama and moments, like, it was there.

[B]

There were moments. But like, all in all, how many hours a week are we watching? It's not good television. And it's possible to have good seat. Like, there are real good seasons of shows of Love Island.

[A]

Yeah. We need. I know it's early, so it's just I. I'm not feeling very hopeful about the group, about everything.

[B]

I need, like, more village.

[A]

I need a mean girl, like, to come in. Everyone's like, best friends. No, like, where's the bull, Holly?

[B]

Yeah. But the girls always come in. Like, I'm not here to make friends. I'm gonna take your man. And then like, next they're like, yeah. I'm so sorry I talked to you.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, right, Totally. Like I need someone I need a big to come in big one I agree that's our show honestly I think it was an amazing one like like I mean they all are obviously like life changing completely unique not ever been done before but this one I feel like we had a lot of good

[B]

laughs always I mean for me it's always you know it's just classic Jackson

[A]

Claude thank you guys so much for listening to the chosen Monday morning show where we Deliver the Fast5 stories you need to know every Monday through Friday and YouTube so if you're watching us on YouTube please feel free to subscribe and give us video a thumbs up we're also available as podcast anywhere podcast can be found so at Spotify, Apple podcast and YouTube wherever you listen to podcast find out so toasted the five star via beautiful setting in wiggly town to be are hope you guys have an amazing day and we'll see you

[B]

tomorrow Love you bye.