Maid From Manhattan: Monday, June 29th, 2026

Summary

The Toast – Maid From Manhattan: Monday, June 29th, 2026

Hosts: Claudia Oshry with special co-host (and husband) Ben Soffer
Date: June 29, 2026
Podcast: The Toast (Dear Media)

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Toast features Claudia flying solo (without Jackie), joined by her husband, Ben Soffer. The theme is light, playful banter covering recaps of their sweltering Manhattan weekend, TV and game obsessions, reality TV recaps (with a special focus on Love Island), celebrity news, and lots of personal stories. There’s a sense of both nostalgia and humor as the two riff on marriage, wardrobe dilemmas, and their strong opinions on pop culture happenings.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Manhattan Heat & Weekend Recap

• Claudia and Ben kick off by lamenting Manhattan’s oppressive summer heat and how it’s become Claudia’s new personal “trigger.”
  • Quote [01:00] Claudia: “When I get overheated, I’m not okay. And the fact that it is so hot and people are not respecting air conditioning…it is such an unpleasant way.”
• They recount two very different weekends at the Natural History Museum: one magical (empty & cold), one “least magical” (overcrowded, overheated, frustrating outfit choices).

Marital Banter: Wardrobe & Rash Updates

• Ben teases Claudia about wardrobe overkill (“That’s male privilege. Sweatshirt to the museum was unnecessary.” [02:27])
• Claudia: “I didn’t intend for this episode to become a referendum on my wardrobe. Like obviously I’m in a transitional period and I don’t want to talk about it.” [03:09]
• The latest in Ben’s health saga? A mysterious rash, now mostly healed, but “remnants” remain.
  • Claudia: “You have like ten left” (spots)
  • Ben: “Ladies, use your imagination.” [04:00]

TV, Games, and Shabbat without Phones

• The couple’s practice of 25 hours with phones off for Shabbat is helping them “live in the physical world.”
• Marathon board games over the weekend, including a mysterious “25 boxes” grid game and mahjong:
  • Ben brags: “She taught me the game, and then I did the game blind, and I got 24 out of 25. … And then I got a 25 out of 25, which she’s been chasing.” [06:08]
  • Claudia: “We also played mahjong. And, like, I won a million times, by the way.” [06:23]

Teases about Secret Projects

• Hints of two big secret projects launching this year, one involving Ben, adding an air of anticipation for listeners. [07:49]

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Pop Culture & Celebrity Banter

Taylor Swift’s Rumored Wedding Performers

• Page Six reports Stevie Nicks and Tim McGraw could perform at Taylor's wedding.
  • Claudia: “Taylor sees herself as a Stevie Nicks of our generation…maybe their first dance will be to Landslide. Even though I think Landslide is a sad song.” [16:50]
  • Ben is skeptical about the rumors: “Why would we know the day that she’s getting married?...something this big is genuinely impossible to keep under wraps.” [17:22]
  • The hosts think the best wedding band would be Bruno Mars and the Hooligans.

Hypothetical Wedding Band Lineups (Fun Segment)

• Claudia & Ben playfully debate their “heiress/robber” fantasy wedding concert lineups, sparking a flurry of pop-punk and country references:
  • Ben: “I want to open with Secondhand Serenade...then Fall Out Boy, Blink-182, Simple Plan, Third Eye Blind…Nickelback, Hinder, Creed.” [20:49–24:05]
  • Claudia: “Of course we’re going to open with Rascal Flatts, then Luke Combs, round it out with Taylor Swift.” [22:22]
  • The riff highlights their musical tastes and playful competitiveness as a couple.

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Reality TV & Love Island Deep Dive

The Travelers Golf Recap

• Claudia and Ben jointly discuss the latest in the Travelers Championship golf tournament, highlighting their growing interest in the sport—especially as it connects with other shows (Full Swing).

Reality Stars and Summer House Connections

• They talk about Wes Wilson and Amanda Batula's controversial romance, with a cameo of Ben mentioning his friendship with Summer House’s Jesse Solomon.
  • Ben: “You know how I feel about reality tv. It’s the devil.” [48:13]

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The "Swirlitude" Debate

• A recurring comic theme: Defining "swirlitude" (a feeling/personality quality they associate with certain people/characters).
  • Claudia: “Swirlitude is so unique and so special that, yeah, not everyone has it.” [09:26]
  • Ben: “Would you say the wizard has swirlitude?”
  • Claudia: “No.”
  • The segment is filled with tongue-in-cheek debates on which Wicked characters and celebrities possess “true swirlitude,” ending with a self-congratulatory nod that the hosts themselves probably do.

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Love Island In-Depth Recap (Fast Five Story #5)

[50:00+]

Major Storylines

• Ben (surprisingly invested) gives the producers credit for “making a boring group compelling.” [50:09]
  • “The way that they have taken what was such a boring group of people and turned it into really great TV.” [50:12]
• Strong opinions on contestant pairings and motives. Their favorites: Trinity and Bryce.
• Criticisms:
  • Ben: “I can’t stand Kenzie...She’s so annoying, and nobody is talking about the fact that she’s upset at Corbin for doing exactly what she does all the time.” [50:46]
  • Claudia: “Kenzie is a player. Kenzie is sinister, there’s something weird about her.” [53:32]
• Debate over recoupling drama, with the complexities of contestant loyalties, betrayals, and the producers’ “heavy-handedness.”
• Observations about the intensity of online audience reactions to cast behavior, questioning why some (e.g., Sincere) are not more villified while others (e.g., Casey) are the target of much hate.
  • “At least Casey had the decency to come back and be honest and come back with the girl. Sincere was in a full-blown relationship… and is lying.” [54:02]

Memorable Quotes:

• “Fans are demanding to see unseen footage…people think that the fight got really bad. They cut parts out, and then Melanie and Kenzie were gone. Isn’t that weird?” [58:53]
• Ben re: Sincere: “He’s the worst guy in the house. Everyone’s worried about Casey this, Corbin that…we are not talking about Sincere enough.” [62:40]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Claudia, on air conditioning in NYC:
  “People are not respecting air conditioning as much as I need them to.” [01:03]

• On the value of “swirlitude”:
  Ben: “Like, a little gay.”
  Claudia: “I’m talking about, like, non-gendered, very non-binary swirlitude. How would you define swirlitude? Use it in a sentence.” [08:53–09:04]

• On teeing up music for their wedding:
  Ben: “We’re gonna open with Secondhand Serenade. We’re gonna move into Fall Out Boy.” [20:49]

• On marriage and reality TV:
  Ben: “You have a better luck getting cast if you’re not married...they all end in despair.” Claudia: “Yeah, it’s all fun and games until you’re in jail.” [49:21–49:32]

• Love Island summary:
  Ben: “The producers of this show need a raise.” [50:09]
  Claudia: “Kenzie is a player. She’s sinister. There’s something weird about her.” [53:32]

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Cultural References & Pop Culture Call-Outs

• Recurring mentions: Full Swing (Netflix golf), Wicked (musical), Hallmark rom-coms, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, 30 Rock as “best show ever,” Downton Abbey, and Game of Thrones as modern TV hall-of-famers.
• Claudia recounts her “villain origin story” from high school, being cast in 13 the Musical senior play, and her determination to sing her solo—even when faculty tried to cut her song. [32:01–33:59]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:44-01:38: Complaints about Manhattan heat
• 03:35-04:00: Ben’s health update: “small rash” saga
• 06:08-06:23: Board games competitiveness and “25 boxes”
• 07:46-08:01: Secret project teasing
• 16:46-17:50: Taylor Swift wedding performers discussion
• 20:09-24:09: Dream music lineups for a fantasy “heiress wedding”
• 25:55-26:43: Uber Black vs. Uber XL battles
• 31:06-33:59: “Villain origin story” – Claudia’s 13 the Musical experience
• 36:51-38:59: JLo rom-com "Office Romance" review: “Best movie I’ve seen in a decade”
• 50:03-64:24: Love Island US S6 deep-dive: drama, recouplings, and producers’ maneuvers

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Tone & Language

The tone is unapologetically honest, playful, and filled with pop culture references—classic “swirlitude.” Claudia’s candid and quick-witted, Ben brings dry humor and unexpected insights, especially during the Love Island segment. They share opinions as a couple with no filter, giving listeners a behind-the-scenes look at their dynamic.

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Useful for Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode delivers a funny, energetic, and relationship-centric take on summer in NYC, the burdens and joys of reality TV fandom, and a comprehensive pop culture catch-up—perfect for those who want equal parts laughs, recaps, and hot takes on millennial married life. If you need context on Love Island drama, a laugh about married Uber strategy, or a new-old rom-com recommendation, this episode is for you.

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End of summary.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host. It's your favorite show. The best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off. Swirly, it's the Toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to the Toast and happy Monday. Hope everybody had an amazing weekend. And speaking of amazing, today's co host is sort of this mysterious, serious figure who even dying to get on the podcast. I think a lot of people weren't expecting you to be the co host when they knew Jackie was going to be out today. Yeah, that's right. It's very elusive celebrity chef, my husband, Ben Safer. Hey, Swirly, how you doing?

[B]

I'm doing excellent on this warm morning. How are you, darling?

[A]

It's so warm in Manhattan. I'm so unhappy. I realized, actually, over the weekend, like, my per. I used to think, like, my personal trigger was being hungry. Like, if I'm hungry, like, I become a monster. Now I do become a monster when I'm hungry, but that's not my trigger.

[B]

Your trigger is heat.

[A]

When I.

[B]

We've all. We've all known this for quite some time.

[A]

When I get overheated, like, I'm not okay. And the fact that it is so hot and people are not respecting air conditioning as much as I need them to, it is such an unpleasant way. I cannot wait for Swirly summer to begin. I got to get out of the city. The city's like 15 degrees hotter than all the suburbs.

[B]

I was going to say. And the city is 15 degrees hotter. Well, really 7 degrees hotter than the actual temperature. You ask Alexa, how hot is it today? Alexa? It's 75, but feels like 82. And let me tell you, that feels like 7 degrees moisture.

[A]

It's the heat of people, of buildings, of subways. Like, it's just insufferable.

[B]

It's really disgusting. We went to the Natural History Museum this weekend.

[A]

We did.

[B]

Which is really my favorite place on earth. And let me tell you, I think you were too warm.

[A]

So we went last weekend. And it was so magical.

[B]

It was.

[A]

It was freezing.

[B]

It was.

[A]

And it was kind of empty. It was just like a really beautiful afternoon. It was seeing the magic of the museum through the eyes of children. Like, it was just insanely beautiful. So this weekend, we tried to recreate created it. Plus it was raining, so we were like, okay, great. In indoor activity. We were obviously not the only people who thought that, because not only was the museum so packed, we dressed really warm. Like, we dressed warm.

[B]

That was a Mistake.

[A]

We put Ruby in pants. I was in a sweatshirt and leggings because it was so cold inside. The. Oh, my God, it was so hot. Let me tell you, it was the least magical experience I've had in my life.

[B]

So, you know, I am always dressed for warm weather.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm just saying that's a privilege. A sweatshirt to the museum was unnecessary.

[A]

That's male privilege.

[B]

It's the middle of the summer.

[A]

All of us can have our legs out on a podcast.

[B]

Okay. By the way.

[A]

Are just like, held to a higher.

[B]

Doesn't have. It doesn't have to be legs.

[A]

So you're like, oh, you couldn't have

[B]

worn a T shirt to the museum.

[A]

I forgot to tell you.

[B]

You couldn't have worn a T shirt to the museum.

[A]

The most annoying thing at the museum, like, when we hopped out of the car.

[B]

By the way, I'm sure I said a lot of annoying things.

[A]

When we hopped out of the car, it was like, so hot. And he was like, well, you're wearing a sweatshirt, by the way. I just had a baby. Like, that's insane.

[B]

By the way, you need to start. I think you need to buy more long sleeve T shirts. Okay. The long sleeve T shirt accomplish your t shirt. Toastmarch.com accomplishes exactly what you're looking to accomplish out of this sweater. Except it's made of cotton.

[A]

I didn't intend for this episode to become, like, a referendum on my wardrobe. Like, obviously I'm in a transitional period and I don't want to talk about it.

[B]

Dick, I think you brought it up.

[A]

I'm pretty sure you did. We watched so much TV this weekend that we're going to talk about. We did the stories. So before we dive in, how are you?

[B]

I'm good. I'm. I'm warm.

[A]

You're warm.

[B]

I'm warm. But I'm wonderful about that. I'm wonderful.

[A]

Yeah. Anything new you want to update everyone on? The last time you were here was somewhat recently. Wow. Jack has been taking a lot of days off.

[B]

I really. I really don't know. I have a small rash on my back that we're monitoring.

[A]

We are. Oh, you know, I haven't seen it today.

[B]

Should we see? You want to see it?

[A]

Well, don't show the camera, but maybe you want to step off camera and show it to me. I haven't, I haven't checked on.

[B]

Let me, let me know Saturday. It's a small rash.

[A]

Yeah. Ben woke up on Saturday with like, not a small. Kind of like a huge ass rash.

[B]

Gone. Really?

[A]

Yep. Oh, I see some remnants of it on the side, but it's. You're gone. You have 10 left.

[B]

Oh, and your ladies, you can use your imagination.

[A]

And let me just tell you something that I've already told you once today. Your fly is open, by the way.

[B]

I don't think.

[A]

I think it's a. I don't think

[B]

that I pulled it up when you told me. All right, now, that's.

[A]

Let's see if it comes down. We watched golf yesterday. Kind of big news. We always cover golf here on the toast because Jackie watches that show full swing, so she really knows a lot about golf. I wonder if she knows about Havlon Havland.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, the.

[B]

Havland has.

[A]

Has the. The tournament picked up this morning?

[B]

It might have. We should honestly check and do a tie break.

[A]

Scotty Shepler, like, kind of like Scotty.

[B]

Scotty is just so unbelievably clutch.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He is like the. The tiger of our era. He is really just so head and shoulders, leaps and bounds better than the other players. We looked at each other and we said, scotty. Scotty's gonna make that putt. And guess what happened? Scotty made that putt, forced a playoff. There was a rain delay. It got too dark. So they were resuming this morning. And of course, we're talking about the Travelers Championship.

[A]

Oh, yeah. You guys don't know Travelers.

[B]

The Travelers Cup. The Travelers Championship. I think it's the Travelers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Travelers. I don't know if it's cop or championship.

[A]

And, like.

[B]

Yeah. But Victor Hobland's a nice guy.

[A]

He's got to get out of here.

[B]

Actually, I don't know if he's a nice guy.

[A]

I think he's finish men like you. He starts, and I left.

[B]

By the way, they start at nine, so we'll be getting live updates. Story.

[A]

Keep us updated. What happens when a tournament goes into a tie? Is it, like.

[B]

I think they play one hole. I don't know. I think three. One wouldn't be fair, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I really don't know, though. I'm making that up.

[A]

We played so many games this weekend because Ben and I have been doing this thing where we turn our phones off for, like, 25 hours over the course of Shabbat. It's been really lovely. It's something Ben started.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That, like, he was annoying about until I then joined him. And it's like, you know what? I understand why you were being patronizing because we're definitely, like, living in the physical world while Others are living in the metaphysical.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

And so we played so many games. We played cards all weekend. We played like, we just have. We really had to.

[B]

What is that name of that game? 25.

[A]

It's a game that, like, I don't know. Has anyone ever played this game? We used to play it in high school all the time, because you need a pen and paper for it. So, like, during class, instead of taking notes, you would build a box, like a grid, and you would make 25 boxes. Like, you would drive five lines and then five lines. And if you guys know what I'm talking about, like, whatever. It's hard to explain, but what's easy

[B]

to explain is that I am much better than her at this game. She taught me the game, and then I did the game blind, and I got 24 out of 25. And then for you to bring that. And then. And then a little bit later, I got a 25 out of 25, which she's been chasing. She's been chasing that high, and she

[A]

hasn't got to bring up that. We also played mahjong. And, like, I won a million times, by the way.

[B]

You're supposed to win a mahjong. You literally are professional mahjong player. If there's a world series of mahjong ever put on espn, like, you're going to put in for the purse, you're going to enter, throw in that 10 grand, and maybe you're going to win. And by the way, if you don't place, you can't come home because you play an incredible amount of mahjong.

[A]

I actually.

[B]

And you should be good.

[A]

And I play with, like, a lot of, like, people who play, like, somewhat frequently. But in terms of, like, the really good mahjong players, I'm not that good.

[B]

Do you think that you don't play with good enough players? Let me. Let me dive into this.

[A]

You level up. Like, who you.

[B]

When I play golf with great golfers, I play much better.

[A]

You're like, making mahjong not fun.

[B]

You're like, when I play golf with bad golfers, you meet them at where they're at. I meet them at where they're at because it's like, of course I'm gonna beat you. Yeah. Bozo lizard. Yeah, you. I think you need to start playing with more competitive players, perhaps a little bit older. I think your. Your group is too young.

[A]

So I know that, like, the older women, like, everyone's mothers who play, play very competitively, they play for money. See, But I like being the best So I don't want to play with people who are better than me.

[B]

Got it. So you'd rather play with a worse crowd and be the best than improve.

[A]

Correct. Big fish, small pond.

[B]

Okay. Okay. That's good.

[A]

Yeah, that's good. How are the good guys?

[B]

The good guys are good. The good guys are great.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. The show is really just, like, firing on all cylinders. It's really funny. Really funny. We're having a great time doing it. I don't really know what else I can update you on. Doing a lot of cooking.

[A]

My God, a lot of cooking.

[B]

We have a lot of secret projects going on.

[A]

I was telling the Toasters, like, in a very vague way on Patreon, that this year we have two secret projects launching. One of them involves you, one of them does not.

[B]

Yes, they're. They're big, secret projects.

[A]

Yeah. Really big bsp.

[B]

So that's fun. Big secret projects. And you can still get the skinny spritz at Target.

[A]

Should we dive into the stories?

[B]

We should.

[A]

Yeah. They're. So we watched Love Island. We also watched a movie, which is so crazy for us that we're going to talk all about in the fast five stories that you do need to know. And I just want to remind everyone that today's episode is one of two that we are releasing this week. Tomorrow's episode will be the final episode of the week as we go into the holiday weekend and Jackie and I are moving out to the Hamptons, so we just need a few days to get acclimated. And we will be back a week from today. So tomorrow there is an episode. Jackie will be back, a regular swirly episode. And then we are taking the rest of the week off. I just want to remind you guys so you can prepare yourselves.

[B]

And don't worry, on Thursday, there is a new episode of Good Guys.

[A]

There is.

[B]

There is. There's a new episode of Good Guys. In case you're missing your. Your swirlitude. Okay.

[A]

Do you think that you and Josh have swirlitude?

[B]

We do.

[A]

You think?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

How would you define swirlitude?

[B]

Like. Like a little gay.

[A]

Oh, okay. So I guess like male swirlitude.

[B]

Male swirlitude.

[A]

I'm talking about, like, in general, like, non gendered, very non binary swirlitude. How would you define swirlitude? Use it in a sentence.

[B]

I think that Galinda has great swirlitude.

[A]

I actually don't agree. We were listening to the Tony from Wicked today. So Glinda's on your mind. I actually don't think Glinda has swirlitude.

[B]

Do you think Nessa Rose has swirlitude.

[A]

Absolutely not.

[B]

Well, I would say that the polar opposite of Nessarose is Galinda. So how can both of them not have swirlitude?

[A]

Because swirlitude is so unique and so special that, yeah, not everyone has it.

[B]

Would you say that the wizard has swirlitude?

[A]

No.

[B]

Would you say that Madame Marble has swirlitude?

[A]

Definitely not. If I were to say, anyone in Wicked who has swirlitude. Galinda, like, I guess. Obviously, that's only because she wears pink. And swirlitude is. Yes, it's about aesthetics, but it's really about what's on the inside.

[B]

Understood.

[A]

And, like, Galinda, like, left her friend alone, like, to die and become the villain, even though she knew the truth. That's not very swirly.

[B]

I understand.

[A]

Actually, no. I would argue that nobody in Wicked at Shiz University has swirlitude because at the end of the day, swirlitude is about being true to oneself.

[B]

What celebrities do you think have swirlitude?

[A]

I mean, that's a whole other podcast, my friend. That's a whole other top two. Okay, you're not letting this go. I don't know. How about that? Oh, top two celebrities. Probably Jackie and Claudia Ashrae.

[B]

Okay. Right?

[A]

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They are OG friends, and kind of the first song she ever had commercial success with was Tim McGraw. It's one of the first songs she ever wrote. And then Stevie Nicks, who Taylor like, is definitely. I would say Taylor sees herself as a Stevie next of our generation. She's always, like, honoring Stevie next and talking about Stevie next and writing about Stevie next. So maybe, like, their first dance will be to Landslide. Even though I think, like, Landslide is a sad song. Care to connect?

[B]

I didn't know if you were continuing. Are you asking me to comment on if Landslide is a sad song?

[A]

I think I'm not asking you to comment anything. I'm asking you to converse with me because we're hosting a podcast.

[B]

I think that all of it is Is just lies every single time.

[A]

Oh, you think every single time she's getting married on. On Friday. Is that July 3rd?

[B]

Why would we know at Madison Square

[A]

Garden and now Stevie nicks and Tim McGraw are going to perform. That's what we know. You don't think any of that's true?

[B]

Why would we know the day that she's getting married?

[A]

Because something this big is gen genuinely impossible to keep under wraps. Even though, like, George Kittle and like, people who have spoken publicly say that they were invited to the wedding, they did confirm. George Kittle did confirm in an interview that it's July 3rd, but they were told just to get dressed and that they have no idea where they're going. He thinks that there's going to be a big waiting for them, take them to, like, a remote island or something.

[B]

But why is George Kittle telling people when Taylor Swift's wedding is?

[A]

Because you can't avoid it. If you're like a celebrity and these are people, athletes who like, have to do press for their job there. If you are a famous person in Taylor Swift's universe and you're being interviewed, the first question out of these reporters mouths is about the wedding.

[B]

Great. I'm not Taylor Swift. I don't know. Ask me another question.

[A]

I'd like to keep this thing under wraps. I do think Madison Square Garden is legit. It.

[B]

So let's say that it is Stevie nicks and Tim McGraw inspired choices. I don't want to dance to that.

[A]

Yeah. Landslide is not like a popping anthem.

[B]

It's a great song.

[A]

Also not a pussy popper. Neither one of them really comes out with, like, bops.

[B]

No, like, they. They need a Bruno Mars.

[A]

That's what Jackie said.

[B]

Well, they do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or a Taylor Swift.

[A]

Jackie said that Bruno Mars and the Hooligans, which is like his band of, like, dancers and musicians, need to be just the wedding band. Like the way that you would get like a classical ten piece band. You need Bruno and Hooligans. And she's 100 right about that.

[B]

You do, because then you also get. What is his name?

[A]

Anderson Pack.

[B]

Anderson Pack. He's at a party to do it at night.

[A]

He's not a part of the Hooligans, but he is like a world famous dj, so.

[B]

Yeah, but didn't he also. Did he either produce all of his songs, write all of his songs? Him and Bruno Mars are connected.

[A]

They started a like, little band of the two of them called Silk Sonic. They had like one. One hit as far as I know, but it definitely put Anderson Pack on like the mainstream.

[B]

So Bruno Mars and the Hooligans and then the afterparty, Silk Sonic. Wow.

[A]

Are having a wedding. You're marrying obviously like a sure. Because in this scenario I've passed away and obviously you lost your marbles. You're marrying like a sure. And she's evil and she hates you and she's gonna steal everything from you. But she, you know, is a. An heiress and she can afford. Let's say she says, we can have anyone in the world. This whore says to you, this gonna

[B]

steal everything from me is also yours.

[A]

Yeah, right. This robber slash whore slash heiress says to you, hey, we can have anyone perform at wed. At our wedding. My dad's gonna pay for it. Look, you're marrying a girl with a dad. Must be nice. We can have anyone in the world perform multiple performers. Who is the lineup at your wedding?

[B]

Oh, my.

[A]

Dead or alive. She can bring back people from the dead as well. Robber slash error.

[B]

We're having multiple people come in. They could sing one song, they could leave.

[A]

It's up to you. You can do one performer, you can do multiple performers.

[B]

Like, I think that objectively the best. If you were trying to just pick one performer. I really do think it's Bruno Mars.

[A]

I. I agree.

[B]

That said, whenever we talk about Bruno

[A]

Mars like that on the podcast, people are like, what are you guys talking about? Like, he sucks. Like, he's not univers. Like, we get comments like that all the time.

[B]

People say if he's not universally loved, and I thought that he was, then this wouldn't even work because I'm gonna say, like, okay, we're gonna. We're gonna open. I think we're gonna open with meatloaf. We're gonna bring in meatloaf. We're gonna do paradise by the Dashboard. We're gonna do I do Anything for love. And we're gonna warm up the crowd.

[A]

Then I feel like not to tell you how to do your heiress robber. You think that's later Thief Wedding. I feel like meatloaf kind of closes.

[B]

Fine. So then we're gonna open with Secondhand Serenade.

[A]

Perfect. Oh, I'll be there. My ghost will be there.

[B]

Best thing about tonight's that we're not fighting.

[A]

My ghost will be there in the corner with a lighter in the air.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, so we're gonna start open with Secondhand Serenade. We're gonna move into fall that boy.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

We're gonna. Who do you think goes in between?

[A]

No, no, I just didn't. I never took you. I know you love emo music and like punk, but I took you for a Fall Out Boy fan.

[B]

I want Fall out boy. I want Blink 182.

[A]

Simple plan.

[B]

I want Simple Plan. They can sing a song.

[A]

Third Eye Blind.

[B]

Okay. Third Eye Blind is going to come after Secondhand Serenade because they're going to sort of loosen us up. Okay.

[A]

And then Serenade sings a lot about like self harm and like suicide.

[B]

That's why we don't listen.

[A]

Okay. You just like rock out.

[B]

We just rock out.

[A]

You and the Eris.

[B]

I think that's nice that we're not fighting. Can it be that we have been this.

[A]

I also just want to make it clear that God forbid, if anything does happen to me, like, I do not want you to move on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I want you to have like a miserable life.

[B]

Okay. Okay. Understood.

[A]

And so like if that ever happens, like play this episode back. I'm not even like making a joke. I'm being dead serious.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

No, I'm kidding. I actually would want you to like move on with like Margo.

[B]

Okay. That's weird. Okay. And then somewhere My Chemical Romance somewhere the Killers.

[A]

And then at what point do people like like eat and make your wedding?

[B]

They don't. If I have an unlimited concert budget, I'm putting on a three hour concert of just of my. My top.

[A]

You're just not being like selective enough. If I ever marry an heir who also is a thief and prostitute gigolo, I'll be very tasteful, very pulled back. It's going to be. Of course we're going to open with Rascal Flats.

[B]

That's your kind of wedding then Luke Homes, you're kind of wedding.

[A]

I'm going to round it out with Taylor Swift. It sounds like an amazing wedding.

[B]

I might throw Luke Combs into my mix.

[A]

You would. Would you say you're like a huge Actually, I also want to throw more.

[B]

I. I really like Luke Combs. I do.

[A]

That's beautiful.

[B]

I do. I think my favorite song, though, is an old song of his. I love Hurricane.

[A]

Yeah. It's like, his most popular song ever. It is, like, way to have a. Way to have, like, a. Not a nuanced tape. It is not a real fan. Yeah.

[B]

Really.

[A]

He has a couple of songs that, like, were transcended country. Everyone knows Hurricane. Everyone knows one number away. Everyone knows beautiful crazy. Those three.

[B]

I'm not a huge, beautiful, crazy guy.

[A]

Me neither. I like more like, because I'm obviously very.

[B]

Yeah. Your beer never broke my heart. You're all that.

[A]

I like that, too. But, like, I like the ones that people don't know know. This one's for you.

[B]

The.

[A]

Is that only true fans now, so way to expose yourself.

[B]

What else?

[A]

By the way, like, we have a lot of stories. Like, if you, like, you could stop talking.

[B]

No, I'm just trying to think if there's anybody that I miss just in case, like, people and their PR are listening and they want to, like, invite me to. It's like, some stuff.

[A]

People think that Taylor, you know, she. We were at the Nick game that she was at. Fun fact about us, and she wore that shirt that said Stevie Nicks.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

People think that was, like, an Easter egg. I just don't think she's, like, Easter egging her wedding. But that's the problem when you become the queen of Easter eggs. Like, you can't just wear a T shirt. People are like, well, it means that Stevie Nicks, like, okay. Also, she maybe just wore the T shirt that her friend made.

[B]

By the way, it means that it's. You went to a Nick game, so it's Nicks.

[A]

Yeah. Right.

[B]

Like that is it.

[A]

And also, one of the other friends is wearing a shirt that said Nickelback. Do you think that means Nickelback is performing at Taylor Swift's wedding? But you would obviously have them perform at your heiress, Robert.

[B]

Of course I'd have them. I can't believe I forgot.

[A]

Well, look at this photograph.

[B]

Hinder and hinder.

[A]

Lips of an angel.

[B]

Oh, my God. And Creed.

[A]

Yeah. Your wedding is gonna be.

[B]

Wow. So fun.

[A]

12 hours long.

[B]

So fun. Now this shouldn't be a wedding, because you need to be there, too. What is this?

[A]

Oh, that's sweet. A celebration of life.

[B]

A late in life quinceanera.

[A]

We could renew our vows.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know. You know, that's a curse. People who knew their vows almost always end up divorced.

[B]

So then I don't want to do

[A]

that, but I just feel like we would beat the odds. I will beat the odds.

[B]

Can't you just, like, have a concert for no reason and invite your friends?

[A]

Like a birthday party? Sure, but who's paying for it? It has to be a wedding because, like, the person you're marrying, what we're

[B]

doing, what we're talking about right now, is my 50th birthday party.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

If I somehow amass billions, which I

[A]

kind of need you to do. Let's talk about the fact that you were so, like, cardboard this morning.

[B]

Yes, I'm cardboard about one thing, and by the way, you're wrong for this.

[A]

And I'm not cardboard about one thing,

[B]

and you're wrong for this.

[A]

It's Uber.

[B]

I. There is no reason in the world to take an Uber black or an Uber SUV when you are going a mile. Wrong.

[A]

It's not about the distance. Ben is always calling the cheapest possible Uber. And, like, this actual caravan being held together by duct tape. And we're in the city.

[B]

How wonderful was it. How wonderful was it this morning?

[A]

We got lucky. We had a wonderful mini. Mini minivan with a lovely driver who drove quick. His car was clean.

[B]

A minivan and cold.

[A]

I just want to say a minivan is perfect. The minivans in New York City are always old taxi cabs converted. They were like, painted them black to be. And they're just. There's always, like, seriously breaking down, like, losing tires, nails falling out.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

I am. Yes. I am not cardboard. I'm actually, like, a diva brat about Ubers. I always take an Uber black if I don't. First of all, I find that, like, my days just started off in a. In a poor way. I also. I'm so athletic these days. I walk a lot. I very rarely Uber. So, like, when I do, it's a black. Yeah, I need air conditioning. I need a car that's, like, air

[B]

conditioning exists in a Sienna.

[A]

No, like, some of these, like, cars,

[B]

I'm like, so why don't you go Uber xl?

[A]

Yeah, I do Uber xl.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm just saying Uber xl. Uber XL is half the price of the suv.

[A]

I don't do suv. I do black. That's. There's a difference, by the way.

[B]

Uber black scam.

[A]

I love a Lincoln Navigator, a Nautilus.

[B]

I mean, sometimes they send you an Acura mdx. Why am I paying that for that?

[A]

I agree, I agree, I agree. But also to say, like, fun fact about me, I get a lot of shit for being Cardboard. I'm actually quite bratty about Ubers. Yeah, that's right. I cuss a little.

[B]

You are bratty about Ubers.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And I'm not cardboard about anything. But I guess Uber sometimes.

[A]

Sometimes I'm so desperate to get home, like I. Sometimes I go. Which has the shortest wait time, of course. You know, cuz when I'm done, I'm done.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

And sometimes, you know, I love a yellow cab.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Actually take more yellow cabs than I do Ubers. They're so much cheaper.

[B]

But it's. But, but it's strange because yellow cabs very rarely have good air conditioning the air. Because they give you events about this big, about out.

[A]

There's like a day usually around, like end of April, early May, where you have to stop taking yellow cabs because they don't have air conditioning.

[B]

Correct. You have to open the window.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, next story about your boyfriend, Jalen Brunson. Oh, first of all, we didn't talk about this together, but you know Jalen Brunson's writing a children's book.

[B]

I do. I saw.

[A]

I pre ordered us a copy.

[B]

I saw. Oh, nice. Yeah.

[A]

You're not a real fan because you. You didn't pre order it.

[B]

No, but I am going to his charity golf tournament this summer.

[A]

You are?

[B]

I am.

[A]

Are you gonna golf with Jalen?

[B]

Probably not. I'm probably. I'm probably just like paying for a foursome and then like, we'll like wave or something.

[A]

But you met Jalen.

[B]

I did. I did.

[A]

You did. When last.

[B]

We do have a mutual friend, his wife.

[A]

And you shook his hand, if I remember.

[B]

And she was so nice enough to invite me down to the court and say, hey, Jalen, come meet my friend Ben.

[A]

That's.

[B]

And I. And I shook his hand.

[A]

I said, queen doing, you know, giving back to the community, helping out with the. Yeah, she's fortunate.

[B]

Yeah, she's great.

[A]

That's so cool.

[B]

She's great. Yeah. And he's.

[A]

Did he seem tall?

[B]

Like, he seemed. He seemed tall.

[A]

Like in the real world, he seems tall, but in, I guess, basketball world, he's not.

[B]

No, he's like a little bit taller than me, but he's tall. Like, I can't explain it. Like, tall isn't just height. No, actually, tall is also exclusively tall is also build. Strong guy.

[A]

What a.

[B]

What a hand. You know, like you're shaking. You ever go to the NBA store back in the day and you could put your hands in the palms of NBA players?

[A]

Okay, first of all, no I've never been to the NBA store and you knew that. And second of all, no, I didn't know that they had a sort of glory hole.

[B]

Like, glory hole.

[A]

You could touch hands.

[B]

You can touch. You can. No, you can not. Real hands. I'm just saying the NBA, it's like a wax hand.

[A]

I know. The NBA store closed down and it's been like, it's been ruining the lives of young Jewish boys ever since.

[B]

It was elite. This store is elite. You would literally walk in age.

[A]

They could never have an exhibit like that. It would turn into, like, you know.

[B]

No, by the way, they. They could have an exhibit like that. Except you couldn't because we're. We're too concerned with germs.

[A]

Yeah, right. During COVID that would have been shut down and never opened back up.

[B]

And that might be why I think it was shut down during COVID and never opened back up.

[A]

Oh, really? The NBA store?

[B]

Yeah. I don't. Was. Why? I think that they were just paying like a million dollars a month in rent. This is one of the biggest stores ever.

[A]

Well, so I didn't even get to the story. Nick star Jalen Brunson showed up and supported his best friend Marisa Hargitay at her Broadway play. So I don't know if you know Marisa Hargitay's on Broadway.

[B]

Wow. I didn't.

[A]

She's doing a show called Every Brilliant Thing. I recently started following her on Instagram and so I know everything about this play. I think it's a one woman show. And very, very kind, very generous. Jalen Brunson showed up, which is just huge.

[B]

It's just like.

[A]

Here's a picture. Look, your best friend.

[B]

Let me see.

[A]

Ally Brunson, my best friend, Peter Herman, guest friend of the Toast with Mariska

[B]

and Jaylyn and who you love, Jaylin.

[A]

Jalen. Jalen. I literally love Peter Herman. You know this guy, right?

[B]

Of course.

[A]

I do know him from.

[B]

I don't know, but he's really funny.

[A]

Funny, yeah.

[B]

Peter Herman's really funny.

[A]

I mean, I have no doubt that he is like a funny guy. I actually know him. Friend of the Toast. But I wouldn't say his leading thing is that he's funny.

[B]

I know him from comedies. I don't remember what comedies. I don't know. Let's see. Let me look.

[A]

He's from Law and Order. He's from younger. He was, of course, married to Bridget and Blue Bloods. He's always just like serious tv. I don't know him as a Comedy actor.

[B]

Let's see. Peter Herman.

[A]

Maybe you're confusing him with someone.

[B]

No, I. No, no, no. I know this guy, and he's been in comedies.

[A]

I know this guy, and he's been in comedies.

[B]

Let's see. I know him from. Oh, him and Josh were in a movie together. Thirteen the Musical.

[A]

Kidding. Oh, thirteen the Musical. You know that I was in thirteen the Musical.

[B]

In. In your.

[A]

Do you not know this part about me?

[B]

I don't remember.

[A]

Like, you don't even listen when I talk. Because this is one of the most important things that ever happened to me, okay? And I talked about it. I read in my book. Did you remember? Yes, you said you did, but you don't remember 13 the musical, by the way.

[B]

I don't remember what I eat for breakfast.

[A]

I might not have talked about it

[B]

in my book, by the way. That was. You saw it. You saw it. That was extreme gaslighting. I saw it.

[A]

Live my book. You want to find it? I know that I did. Ready? Because, you know, I was, like, obviously very gifted musically throughout my childhood.

[B]

Obviously.

[A]

But I never got involved in musical theater. I never joined the choir because I was, like, afraid. You know, I watched a lot of Mean Girls growing up, and I thought

[B]

that, like, if you were 30 rock.

[A]

30 rock. Yeah, but he plays, like a serious guy. But, yeah, he's in 30 Rock.

[B]

30 Rock.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, fine. You got me there. He's in 30 Rock. Fine.

[B]

Literally the only show we watch.

[A]

Let me just go back to 13 the Musical, because that's so. And I need to talk to Josh about this. Who did Josh play? I played Cassie. So here, let me tell you.

[B]

I'm pretty sure that Josh was the rabbi.

[A]

Is there a rabbi? I only remember my part.

[B]

Wait, are we talking about the same thing?

[A]

13th musical.

[B]

I don't know if this is what Josh was saying.

[A]

Can I just, like, please finish my. My villain origin story?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

So I never performed in high school, even though, like, I was better than half the kids in, like, all the programs, because I just didn't want to be, like, labeled a theater kid. Kid. And then. But my senior year, I really had the itch. And every. At my school, every year, the season.

[B]

Yeah. Thirteen years ago, Josh Peck plays Rabbi Shapiro.

[A]

I'm cracking up.

[B]

You don't even know that there's a rabbi in 13, the musical.

[A]

Well, if you've listened to my story, you'll know why. I, like, knew nothing about.

[B]

I'm listening. Come.

[A]

So by my senior year, I was like, you know what? I really want To. I want to get involved in the theater department.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And so every year at my high school, the seniors put on a play. It's called the Senior Play.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Brilliant name. And it's, like, not as serious. Like, everyone gets involved, and it's really fun. So I thought it was, like, it would be a good way for me to get involved without being, like, labeled like, a nerd kid.

[B]

Right, sure.

[A]

And so I auditioned, of course. I sang Don't Rain in my Parade Queen, Corgi's favorite song. And the thing about the senior play

[B]

was that the Don't Rain on My parade is in 13, the musical.

[A]

I auditioned. You can audition with any song. Are you okay? And the thing about thirteen, the musical. No, Excuse me. The thing about the senior play is that it's not put on by the drama department. It's put on by the seniors who are in the drama department.

[B]

Yikes.

[A]

So they had, like, a chip on their shoulder about me, like, not, you know, being a theater kid.

[B]

And, like, by the way, that was up of you. You went in and railroaded.

[A]

I didn't railroad. Like, they just.

[B]

This was their whole life. And you were just like, I'm talented. I'm gonna you up.

[A]

I auditioned. Like, I can't audition. Everyone's supposed to audition. You know, there was favoritism. There was a lot of politics, and so they.

[B]

They.

[A]

They casted their friends, and they were. It wasn't. I'm. All I'm saying, it wasn't a meritocracy. You know, there was a lot of politics involved. So I got some, like, loser ass part. Her name was Cassie, and she was, like, literally irrelevant, except she had one song. And let me tell you, I practiced this heart, this song so hard. And halfway through rehearsals, they say, you know, for time, we're cutting some stuff. And they cut my song. Song. When I tell you I flew into that gymnasium and I said, abs lutely not. And I put up a whole fight, and I got my song back. And, you know, the. The corruption continues. Because at the actual performance day, when I started to sing, my microphone was off and about, like, one verse in. They popped my microphone back on. Let's just. I have it on video. I'll find it for you guys. I feel like I talk about it all the time. It's definitely been posted on the toes before. And when I. When I returned to my high school, like, several years after the performance, some of the faculty members, like, they were still talking about it. I'm being dead serious. Like, it was sort of the performance heard around the world I never thought that I could run and hide a middle when I'm in and then inside. But now, now, now I see a brand new you and this was like the part that I got like really sassy at. And I can't stop myself from loving every little bit of thing you do. Yeah, pretty Good.

[B]

Okay, okay. Two things. One, you've been blaming me for probably the last 14 years for shutting microphones. Clearly somebody else in your life is shutting microphones.

[A]

It's kind of this thing that's.

[B]

Maybe there's like a little leprechaun.

[A]

Yeah, it's been plaguing me.

[B]

Maybe there's like a little leprechaun.

[A]

You're, you're different.

[B]

You don't know them.

[A]

You come into our studio, you unplug things, you don't plug them back in and then record episodes that never get recorded.

[B]

This is not, this is not true. Yeah, this is not true.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What else then?

[A]

So Josh was also. And Peter Herman, who was Peter Herman in thirteen, the musical.

[B]

Cassie.

[A]

See, fun fact. AR was also in thirteen, the Musical on Broadway, of course, by the way.

[B]

You see.

[A]

Yeah, it's. We're all greats, honestly. Thirteen the musical is like. If you were involved in some sort of production of 13 the Musical as a child, you are doing great things right now.

[B]

Big show. Yeah, big time show.

[A]

Did Josh do it? Is there a. I wish I, I

[B]

wish I remembered what show at yu I did. I don't think I've ever told this story.

[A]

Oh, my God. You were in college. You did a play.

[B]

Yeah, I was, I was in the prop department. Department.

[A]

Okay. That's not like being in a play.

[B]

I, I, I believe I picked wardrobes. I was in the play.

[A]

Okay. Being in the play and picking wardrobes

[B]

are two different things, by the way. I just want you to know the people in the wardrobe department are going to come for you.

[A]

Come for me? You're not in the play.

[B]

It's very important to the show that it wasn't.

[A]

I just said you're not a performer.

[B]

Like, you're, I'm pretty sure that I quit mid midway. I thought it was like a little bit, it was a little bit too

[A]

like, you know, you weren't loving it.

[B]

I just like, couldn't be in the wardrobe department. I think I was just like, it was like credit for a class. I thought it was like an easy

[A]

class and it was more work than, than you anticipated.

[B]

It was late, it was late at night. It just like, it was, it Was too much. Okay. I didn't need to be in the yeshiva wardrobe department of the. The yeshiva play.

[A]

I don't know. I feel like you missed out on

[B]

Joseph and the Technical or dream Code.

[A]

Is that the play?

[B]

No, but it probably was.

[A]

Yeah. Like Prince of Egypt.

[B]

Yeah, sure. No, if it was Prince of Egypt, I would have been in it.

[A]

I am so excited about our next story because it's merely a vessel, you know?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

So Jennifer Lopez has made a surprise appearance at Prime Videos Obsess Fest to introduce the Off Campus panel. So Off Campus, which is the viral show that everyone's obsessed with, myself included, had an event, and JLO was, like, the surprise guest who introduced the panel. There is, like, a JLO element to the. To the show. If you watched it, you know.

[B]

Do I know off campus?

[A]

No, I watched it when you were at, like, your basketball intramurally because I was, like, genuinely embarrassed to be watching in front of you because it's like young adult porn.

[B]

Got it. Unlike. Unlike the other young adult porn that we watch.

[A]

Correct. Okay.

[B]

Love island, by the way, particularly embarrassing. Don't send me to prison.

[A]

So we're gonna talk

[B]

Jennifer Lopez.

[A]

Thank you. Jennifer Lopez is, like, definitely on the up. She had a rough year last year. Like, Q square wise. Everything she did, people hated. Her album Flop. She, like, put out this documentary that she funded herself that was, like, really bad. She had the Ben Affleck thing. But I'm telling you, a couple of things are happening, and JLO is so back. The first thing is her movie last month, and I said I wanted to watch it, and I just totally forgot about it. It was like a rom com on Netflix with Brett Goldstein from Ted Lasso. He actually wrote the movie. There were a lot of rumors about them dating. So, like, the movie was hyped up pretty well.

[B]

What was it called again?

[A]

Office Romance.

[B]

Such a good movie.

[A]

We watched it over the weekend. Like, I am here to tell you guys that, like, it was probably one of the best movies I've seen in the better part of a decade. Like, it was hysterical.

[B]

It was an old school rom com.

[A]

It was an old school rom coms are so back. But it had, like, this new age element of, like, being kind of silly. There were a couple of scenes that were, like, very graphic, either sexually or just, like, gory that I didn't feel were necessary. And most of the time, that makes me hate a movie. But the movie was so good otherwise. Like, even the birth scene, everyone's talking about, like, there's. There's a Woman in the office who's pregnant and she gives birth in the office, and it's like, she can't make it to the hospital. And they, like, show. It's obviously fake. They show, like, a vagina and a baby's head coming out. And normally, like, I would turn the TV off. Like, I just think that's so unnecessary when I tell you that woman deserves an Oscar.

[B]

She was great.

[A]

So funny.

[B]

She was great, right?

[A]

The scene was funny. They really didn't need it. But, like, it didn't bother me. I loved the movie so much. I feel like, first of all, they're totally. They had so much sexual chemistry.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I feel like it was so great for JLo. Like, she was just magnetic.

[B]

She was great.

[A]

She was great.

[B]

It was. It was a great.

[A]

Liked it just as much as I

[B]

did, by the way. It was a great movie. But I was watching two movies. I was watching the movie, and I was watching you watch the movie.

[A]

Yeah. I was seriously, like, giddy. You were. I was.

[B]

You couldn't believe that you were watching a movie that you liked so much.

[A]

Because you know what? I famously don't like movies. They're too long.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This movie was not long enough.

[B]

It was a great movie.

[A]

And it had that, like, Hallmark element where, like, all the stages are fake.

[B]

It was Hallmarking.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it was incredible because Brett Goldstein's incredible.

[A]

And, like, the press.

[B]

Great writing.

[A]

A CEO of an airline, like, it was just so dumb.

[B]

Great writing normally.

[A]

Yeah. Like, that Hallmark, like, element that makes a movie feel fake. This was just incredible.

[B]

Honestly, Brett Goldstein needs to go and write for Hallmark work.

[A]

Well, the crazy thing is that Brett Goldstein wrote Ted Lasso, and he's, like, probably one of the most in demand writers in Hollywood. And so, like, after Ted Lasso, like, what is he gonna do? You know, I think he writes. I think he's a writer on Shrinking, that show with Harrison Ford that we like. But, like, this is what he wanted

[B]

to do, and we need him to write more rom coms.

[A]

He cast himself at the very end when he was like, I won't let you fall out of the sky. Oh, and the movie was also like, a love letter to New Jersey.

[B]

Like, it was.

[A]

It was so. It was so good. I'm sorry. Like, you guys need to watch it. It looks so silly, and I'm so glad I gave it the time of day.

[B]

Like, who said that it was bad? Why did we almost not watch it?

[A]

Because, like.

[B]

But then I don't trust anyone.

[A]

You shouldn't.

[B]

But who said that it was bad.

[A]

Like, I made a tick tock about how I thought it was the best movie I've ever seen in the comments were like, what are you talking about? It's terrible. Is that crazy? People don't know quality.

[B]

No, people are. That's what it is.

[A]

Like, it was so good.

[B]

And I feel they probably went into it thinking that it was going to be bad and then they just like didn't let themselves enjoy it.

[A]

And I'm so here for JLO Renaissance. I feel like she came off so likable in the movie because she's not like that good of an actress. So I feel like the character she was playing like, is a little similar to the person that she is like off camera. And I'm telling you, I think JLo's misunderstood. Like, she's had a really hard year and I'm so here for her comeback.

[B]

Yeah, I haven't liked JLO since Made From Manhattan. My favorite movie. That's a. That's a Sopher family movie.

[A]

Okay. That's not the name of the movie.

[B]

What is it made of? Manhattan. Made in Manhattan? Yeah. Yes, same thing. Like, it's literally a 30 year old movie. I'm sorry that I missed one letter.

[A]

I kind of want to see Made from Manhattan, by the way.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

That's literally your origin story.

[B]

I love that movie.

[A]

Really? I feel like of all of hers, that's not my favorite. I like the Wedding Planner.

[B]

The Wedding Plan is great as well.

[A]

I like.

[B]

But by the way, all these movies that we're talking about are 20 years old.

[A]

I know. She hasn't. And then she.

[B]

She hasn't made a movie that I've liked in about 20 years.

[A]

No. So she did Hustlers in recent history and it was like very good, very critically different. Almost got nominated for different. But yeah. Yes. In the last 10 years, like all of the movies that she does are fake, like Hallmark level. And so I thought that this was going to be the same thing.

[B]

She was great.

[A]

She was great. He was great. It was star studded. It was Buster Bluth, Tony Hale.

[B]

He was great.

[A]

He was great. He was head of the HR department. He was Ugly Betty's dad is the chairman of the board.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It was really, it was.

[B]

Guys, what else is Ugly Betty's dad? And was he. Are you sure he wasn't in Breaking Bad?

[A]

No, but I know why you think that.

[B]

Are you sure?

[A]

Positive. The villain?

[B]

No, not the villain. I think he was in Breaking Bad. Okay, let's see, what's his name?

[A]

Ugly Betty's dad.

[B]

Ugly Betty is so funny.

[A]

No matter who is the co host, this show always ends up us looking up people's IMDBs.

[B]

Ugly Betty's dad is Ignacio Suarez.

[A]

Yes, of course, Ignacio Suarez.

[B]

In case you didn't know.

[A]

I did know that.

[B]

That and Ignacio Suarez. What a handsome man.

[A]

It's not in Breaking Bad, Suarez.

[B]

Breaking Bad?

[A]

Really?

[B]

No.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

All right.

[A]

You're. You're one for two. Peter Herman.

[B]

30 rock is not. Is Ignacio Message. No. So what do I know him from? Whatever. I'll look at that on my own time. I never watched Ugly Betty.

[A]

We watched it together.

[B]

No, I watched, like, one episode of that Ugly Betty and I didn't mean it.

[A]

You didn't like it?

[B]

I didn't need it.

[A]

It's one of the greatest shows of our time. They can't all be Office Romance.

[B]

No, they can't all be one of the greatest shows of. Of our time.

[A]

What's the best show you've ever watched?

[B]

30 Rock.

[A]

It's a great answer.

[B]

30 Rock is so funny.

[A]

Every single conversation episode, there's a hall of fame of, like, modern TV shows. I think Mad Men is in there. I think Breaking Bad is in there. 30 Rock is definitely representing the comedy genre in there.

[B]

So good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I laugh just as much. I might even laugh more.

[A]

Game of Thrones is in there.

[B]

Of course, I might even laugh more.

[A]

Downton Abbey is in there at 30

[B]

Rock than I do at Seinfeld and Curb. They're very different shows.

[A]

Yeah, but.

[B]

But 30 Rock is constant laughter. I would say that Curb and Seinfeld is a little bit smarter. Comedy takes a little bit longer to get there. Wow. Are they good?

[A]

That's really interesting stuff.

[B]

Trying to think what else.

[A]

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O l l I-e.com toast and enter code toast to get 70 off your first box. Again, that's Ollie o l l I-e.com Toast and enter code toast to get 70 OFF your first box. Ollie, feed the obsession. The reality TV couple have been spotted vacationing in Wisconsin. If you know, you know who vacations in Wisconsin? Wes Wilson and Amanda Betula. He is from the Midwest. That's. They were spotted.

[B]

Wait, they're still hanging out?

[A]

Yeah, they're like a full blown couple.

[B]

Oh my.

[A]

So they have been jet setting. They went to Rome. They were all over Italy. And then Dumois shared a sighting of the controversial couple. It was sent in by one of her followers. It shows the two visiting with family in Lake Geneva. There's no word on when the photo was taken, but it was sometime very recently. They were spotted in the wild in Wisconsin. And then also I saw Dumois posted. They were at a bar and somebody overheard him or her like them exchanging I like Love yous. How you are now like personally involved in the story because you went to dinner with Jesse Solomon. Did he say anything about it?

[B]

No. No. But Jess is a very nice guy. Just a very nice guy. No, no.

[A]

You said. Did he say anything about it?

[B]

No. By the way, I just. My voice goes up and down randomly. He didn't say anything about it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He's a very. He's a very nice guy.

[A]

Yeah. How did you guys get along? Did he sing for you?

[B]

He didn't sing for me.

[A]

He's a new song. That's really good. Wildflower love I want that shock me like a match you can't hold it back. Fire flower fire fire wildfire love.

[B]

The thing is, I haven't heard any of the rest of the song though. So at least that chorus is good. That course is definitely good. Yeah. You know, this West Amanda thing, you know how I. How I feel. How I feel about reality tv. It's the devil.

[A]

Oh, wow. Is that what you and Jesse said at dinner?

[B]

No. Jesse seems to have a good head on his shoulders though. This is what I will say. He went into reality tv. TV intentionally seem. And there are some people that do that. It seems like Bethany maybe did that. Like some people, they go in and they look at it this. Look at it as this amazing platform where they can do more things. And I think some of them just go in there looking to up and they end up up their life. And you ever.

[A]

You could get tapped for summer house. You're like low key involved. You're one of Kyle's ops, your best friend of Jesse. Like Jesse could bring his fed rent to the house.

[B]

No.

[A]

Being married like sort of does. Does like ruin the vibe. So like I could take a back seat happily.

[B]

I just think that Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season 1, they were all married now.

[A]

Yeah. None of them are going to be a housewife. You're. You have a better luck getting cast if you're not married. Except it depends on the franchise actually realize of Rhode island. Everyone's married except for Kelsey.

[B]

I just feel like they all end in despair.

[A]

Yeah, no, it's. It's all fun and games until you're in jail.

[B]

And then once you're done, they ring you out like a rag cloth.

[A]

Okay. Rag cloth.

[B]

They ring you out and you're dead.

[A]

They ring you out.

[B]

You ever see Ramona Singer?

[A]

My queen. Yeah. She's like getting ready for her next tv.

[B]

You ever see Sonia Morgan? Yeah.

[A]

They're all gonna be on Golden Life.

[B]

Golden Life.

[A]

New show revamping the old Housewives of New York.

[B]

Oh, is this the. Oh, I understand. I remember. This is the Jill Zarin one. Yeah. Rest in peace. Bring you out.

[A]

Bring you out. All right, let's dive into our fifth and final story, which is Love Island News and Love island recap. Ben is fully caught up. We've watching. I sometimes watch an episode without him, but for the most part he knows what's going on.

[B]

I'm very, very caught up. Maybe I've missed one episode and let me tell you, before you get into it.

[A]

Yeah. Give us your overall thoughts before I

[B]

the producers of this show need a raise.

[A]

Oh, wow. The producers started working like a week ago. I think they first they took the first two weeks off.

[B]

The producers of this show need a raise. The way that they have taken what was such a boring group of people and turned it into to really great tv.

[A]

Yeah. They've been heavy handed in their production

[B]

over the last week and they did a great and it helped job.

[A]

It helped a lot. Things are finally interesting.

[B]

I.

[A]

We broke up some OG couples. Like it's good.

[B]

I love Trinity and Bryce.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

They're my piece.

[A]

They're your winners.

[B]

I can't stand Kenzie.

[A]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[B]

She's so annoying. And nobody is talking about the fact that she's upset at Corwin Corbin. Corbin. I prefer Corbin. She's upset at Corbin for doing exactly what she does all that.

[A]

She's actually upset with Corbin for the thing that he said. I don't think she's mad that I

[B]

know because that's, like, her, like, favorite thing to hold on to. Like, no, you are the one who goes after every new bombshell. You are the one who immediately jumps to another person. And you are so obsessed with staying on this show that you are telling God. It's so true that, oh, maybe I could like you just in case your friend.

[A]

So just, like, let Jen. Jen, who can't get arrested, let Jen have one guy.

[B]

No, no, she doesn't care because just in case her relationship with Dylan falls through, she needs to stay on this show because she's clearly obsessed with fame. She's clearly obsessed with being, like, an influencer. Like, she has motivations beyond this show. It's clear as day.

[A]

So there are two episodes Friday night and Sunday night that aired that we haven't recap kept yet. Friday night was the big recoupling. Trinity and Bryce had this beautiful reunion. It was so cute. They're totally winning. Kate and Zach both chose each other, but Kada doesn't know that Zach chose her because his girl got kicked out of the villa.

[B]

He would have done it anyways. I don't like. I don't like this narrative. He didn't like that girl.

[A]

But she does need to know that, first of all. And second of all, I do think that Zach has, like, a lot of red flags that Kate is not seeing. He's, like, extremely controlling. When he didn't make her breakfast before the recoupling last time time, like, that was really crazy. They, like, left on bad terms. So I do think that they're a good couple, but he is problematic.

[B]

Like, he definitely feels emotional. He feels. I think he feels emotional, but I think that he's. I think they're a nice couple. And I like Kada. She seems nice.

[A]

I like her too.

[B]

She's cool.

[A]

Kenzie and Corbin both chose different people. Corbin's with Parmita and Kenzie's with Dylan.

[B]

The Persian cat.

[A]

The Persian cat. And. And I don't really care about them as a couple.

[B]

I. I love them.

[A]

Para.

[B]

Para. And Corbin, I love them.

[A]

Like, they say the weirdest we. I can't wait to get out of here so I can, like, pick you up in my car.

[B]

I'm so hot and you're so hot. Like, we. We should, like, we're a perfect match because we're both so hot. Like, look at our bodies. And when we get out of here. I'm going to pick you up in my car.

[A]

Corbin is like hella cringy though. Like when he was like, I feel like the girls in Casa are like college girls.

[B]

And then like, Corbin, Corbin's just. Just dumb. Like, that's, that's it. But he's like, he's funny, he's nice, he talks weird.

[A]

I'm sorry, I don't agree that he's funny or nice.

[B]

Like, I think, I think, I think maybe, I think it's maybe just like

[A]

his existence, he's just very monotone and so like, he looks like onoffensive. But I'm telling you, there's something like deep, like dark within him.

[B]

I think he's just like.

[A]

And Kenzie too.

[B]

Like, I think, I think he's just like a player. Like, donate the player.

[A]

He's a player. She. Kenzie is a player.

[B]

Kenzie sinister.

[A]

There's. There's something weird about her.

[B]

I'm not in.

[A]

So then the two couples that I think everyone was like, waiting most for were Melanie and Sincere and Casey and Anaya. Okay, so I think that the producers were like, very meticulous in watching, in letting Anaya go last. Like, yeah, she was one of the most anticipated, but I think she sat there and saw Bryce choose Trinity.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Zach choose Kate.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Sincere. Choose Melly. That she was like, oh, they obviously all went to Casa More and talked about how much they missed us.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

So she was thinking about maybe choosing Carl. She was like, no, you know what? I think she felt emboldened.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

To choose him. And it went down exactly how we thought it would. Now the reaction from the fans has been like, so much hate to Casey. And I just want to say I'm not seeing enough hate for Sincere. Sincere and Casey did the exact same thing at Casa Amore. But at least Casey had the decency to come back and be honest and come back with the girl. Sincere was in a full blown relationship for three days and came back and is lying. Like, I think Melon. Everyone's like, anaya looks so stupid. I think Melanie looks more stupid.

[B]

Can we go one by one?

[A]

Sure, let's talk.

[B]

Melanie, Sincere, you want to start there? Not Casey.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, well, if you have something to

[B]

say, you can say, what is the hate online for Casey? Just the way that he, the way that he handled this breakup was terrible. And their team and I think that

[A]

they think he was disrespectful to Anaya. I don't know exactly what their issue is, but I guess it, like, wasn't Treating Anaya like the queen that she is.

[B]

Got it. Anaya trapped him from episode one. Okay. And I intentionally mentioned that her father was an NBA player.

[A]

And he's been really.

[B]

And he. And he's been. And he's been on it the whole time. He was never attracted to her.

[A]

He never it up.

[B]

He never liked her. He liked the fact that her dad was an NBA player. That's it. That was it. And so this entire time, she's like, I've given you everything. It's. It's like, no, he actually never liked you. You tried to trap him, and it didn't work.

[A]

And so I think another criticism that people have of Casey is that, like, he keeps. He was saying the whole time that he wanted to explore, but he didn't explore in the villa because he was, like, afraid that Anaya would be upset.

[B]

No, that's not even. That's not even why he said that.

[A]

And then the second he leaves the villa, he has the chance to explore, and everyone's mad at him for that. But it's like, actually, I feel like it's more respectful to not explore in front of her.

[B]

He also didn't explore in the villa because if you remember, the first week or two weeks of the show, they were all 100 coupled. There was nowhere to explore soul.

[A]

And he wanted to explore soul.

[B]

He said that he wanted to explore soul. I don't. I think he would have explored soul. I don't think he liked soul.

[A]

No. He's obviously not, like, an amazing guy and he's not mature, but I don't think he's like this big, bad villain that everyone's making.

[B]

I don't think. I don't think that he's a big,

[A]

bad villain like Anaya. Like, I want to root for her. And honestly, I didn't even think that people should bring back Carl. She had this perfect guy in front of her who said all the right things, liked her so much, and she turned him down. Like, she had the choice and she made the wrong choice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I. I'm not.

[B]

But we got Carl back.

[A]

I'm not understanding all the KC hate. I'm really, like. I'm searching desperately for the sincere hate. He is the clear villain to me.

[B]

Yeah. And what's weird is when he said,

[A]

I kissed Amora a few times.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was the biggest, like, literally the biggest lie ever told.

[B]

Yeah. And I don't know why Melanie can't see. She must. She must.

[A]

These guys from Casa Amore came and they told her they're like, we've seen it.

[B]

Melanie must though, like be attracted to a bad guy. Like, she must secretly deep down, like the fact that he's like kind of cheating on her. Like the fact that he's like, yeah,

[A]

like, like she likes a douche.

[B]

Because this is like a little self destructive.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Since I don't remember what episode it was, but it was very, very early in the season, it came out that sincere is a cheater. Like, like he cheated outside of the villa. So if you're going to cheat in real life, of course you're going to mess around when you're open and not in committed relationships here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like he doesn't think, he doesn't think anything's wrong with what he's doing. And by the way, one thing that is important to know. I don't the lying is the. Is the problem. But you're in open relationships. You're not closed off.

[A]

There's a reason he's allowed, of course, but it's still lying.

[B]

No, I know, but she's.

[A]

And you should still. Yes, you can explore, but you should still be respectful to the person you've been with.

[B]

She knows for three weeks. But she knows. Of course.

[A]

So that's the thing. Like all the. I. I feel like I get hate a lot because I'm always blaming the women. I want to say that, like, it goes without saying, like, all these guys are bad guys.

[B]

But it is very hard perception of Bryce. Bryce.

[A]

I don't think Zach's a bad guy. I think he has red flags, but I don't think he's a bad guy.

[B]

Bryce. Zach, my boy.

[A]

Carl. Having said all that, it needs to be said. Like, it is hard to watch all these women.

[B]

Seems like a nice guy.

[A]

Be so dumb. Sorry they're being dumb. Anaya. That was a dumb decision. Smelliny. How many times do people have to tell you, like, it is bad. And it's like, now all the girls from Casa Amore are going to come back. Amora and, and Titi did tell. Tell her they're gonna tell her. And it's like, how many times you need to know? Like, at some point, like, I can't

[B]

root for you anymore. TT Queen seems like a great woman.

[A]

I know. And I'm glad her and Anaya squash the beef. So the story that I wanted to talk about is. I don't know if you know this, but like, fans are demanding a response. They want to see the unseen footage because at the recoupling ceremony, remember, Trinity's going at it with Titi I'm titi little girl. Like, there was all this drama. People noticed in the background that Melanie and Kenzie were not being there. They were like, escorted out. People think that the fight got really bad. They cut parts out, and then Melanie and Kenzie were gone. Isn't that weird? The whole recoupling during that fight with TT Casey, when Casey and Anaya didn't recouple.

[B]

Weird.

[A]

So fans are demanding to see unseen footage. As many fans speculate, two islanders were kicked out of the fire pit scene. So together is this screenshot where Melanie and Kenzie are not there. And fans of Love island are pressing Peacock for more unseen footage after online viewers began speculating that Kenzie and Melanie were removed from a tense fire pit moment during the Casa Amore coupling. And I remember thinking, like, why is Trinity having to defend Anaya all by herself? Like, where are the other girls? They're calling them the core four. You know, Melanie, Kada, Anaya and Trinity. They were not there. So the theory spread across Tick tock and Reddit after viewers noticed that the two islanders appear to be missing from the couch. During that part of the scene, a viral Tick tock claimed they had to remove Melanie from the pit. LMA was wondering why they didn't show her reaction. And Kenzie, they were probably about to jump that girl. The clip fueled debate among fans, with many calling for producers to release the full version of the confrontation. This comes as Love island viewers say they should win an Emmy for dramatic casa. More recently, decoupling. Yeah, they weren't there. I wonder why. People have no idea. There's no, like, people are just guessing. But they were confirmed not there. People think that they must have went crazy and, like, the fight got even worse.

[B]

This is too deep cut for me.

[A]

Yeah, this is like behind the scenes. But that reminded me. I liked that Anaya and TT like, after the drama of the recoupling was over, the next morning, they sat down.

[B]

It was also great PR for Anaya.

[A]

Yeah, she looked really mature. I agree.

[B]

It swung her back around. For me.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

Because I was literally, like, shaking my tv. I was like, anaya, he doesn't like you. Why are you picking him? He doesn't like you. He doesn't like you. And you have a guy here that does like you. So at a minute, at a minimum, if you want to be on the show, pick Carl because he likes you, and then you can explore Casey.

[A]

I want to say I do respect her not picking Carl just to stay on the show, because that is confirmed. Carl likes me. He's here for me. I could stay on the show, maybe win. I do respect the fact that she followed her heart now. Her heart, like, led her astray and really did make her look stupid. Stupid. But I respect the fact that she can just take the safe way out.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Right. A lot of people would have done that.

[B]

I don't know. You're on a show just to stay out of show.

[A]

A lot of people would have done that.

[B]

You're on a show.

[A]

And then last night's episode was so long for literally no reason. There was no reason that the challenge had to be that long. I knew I was just waiting for someone to pop out of a cake. And I love that they brought back Amora. Yeah, it's nice that they brought back Carl, but, like, if I'm Carl, I don't want to be with Anaya. She didn't choose me.

[B]

You know who I love that they brought back? Meg the stallion.

[A]

Yeah, we loved her last season. She. She was funny.

[B]

She's just great.

[A]

And she really does. You can tell, like, like the show. And she's great.

[B]

She's funny.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, Kenzie said something crazy.

[A]

What?

[B]

Fat ass.

[A]

Oh, she said your ass is fatter in person or something. I was like, excuse me. That was crazy.

[B]

It was a little weird. I think that she's just always drunk. I'm realizing it now.

[A]

I think that they limit the amount of.

[B]

But. But if you. But if you look back, I have. I'm starting to realize, do I have a photographic memory? I'm not sure, but I can see pictures.

[A]

You don't.

[B]

I see the seam.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. She's getting very, very, very upset. When at Corbin, during the pie in the face challenge. Challenge. And she gets really, really red. I think the red. It's a thousand degrees tequila.

[A]

So I think I get referenced. People talking about alcohol. They, like, never drink except when the night begins. They all. When they convene it, they all come down in their alcohol outfits. They convene in that table, and everyone has a cup with their name on it, and it's like a stemless wine glass with a little bit of red wine in it. I don't think that they drink outside of that.

[B]

Oh, so then I'm wrong.

[A]

There's nothing. She's just fine.

[B]

Then. She's just hot.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, it is really warm. She's like, fair skin.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

The challenge was too long. It was silly and, like, dumb at some points, but there were a couple of moments during the pie cream in the face thing that were like, Genuinely awkward. When Sincere randomly chose to pie Jen and he was like, well, she's new here. She's like, I've been here for two weeks. It was so awkward. He's like, well, we're a family. And like, he was just trying to make her feel left out. It was like so randomly, unnecessarily mean. I'm sorry. You will not convince me that he's the worst. That he's not the worst guy in the house. Everyone's worried about Casey this, Corbin that we are not talking about. Sincere enough.

[B]

Agreed.

[A]

That was so mean for no reason. Also, Casey is like. He was being really like a. When everyone kept creaming him and he turned his face and, like, wouldn't take it when everyone was taking it. Like, like, I'm sorry.

[B]

I'm telling you, that's why I like

[A]

Corbin, that he took it well. I think he played the challenge very well. He accept. He apologized and he accepted the fact that.

[B]

What more is he supposed to do?

[A]

All the girls were mad at him. He accepted the cream in the face. Anything. We can now move on from it. Yeah.

[B]

What more are we supposed to do?

[A]

No, Casey did not eat Humble Pie and he still has not talked to Anaya.

[B]

Yeah, Casey's not great. Sincere is definitely the worst. Yeah, he's bad.

[A]

Is lying Casey. The thing is, Casey is a bad guy and he's being upfront about. About it. Sincere is hiding all of these things.

[B]

I don't know. Actually, Sincere. Sincere just keeps getting chances that maybe he shouldn't get, but he.

[A]

Yeah, and that's Melanie's fault, by the way.

[B]

He is pretty upfront. He's like, yeah, I did that.

[A]

No, he is not upfront at all. Literally, he came back and says, I explored a connection. We kissed a few times. He was in a full blown relationship, cuddling every single night, making out all day every day.

[B]

But don't you know that if you're melting?

[A]

No.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Because she thinks that he acted the way that she acted. Explored.

[B]

No, no, he. She wants to think I know that this guy would act.

[A]

That's what I mean when I say that. Accountability. There's not enough accountability being put on the girls for being dumb. Sorry.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

But he's also a bad guy.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

And she should.

[A]

She should know that by now.

[B]

She. By the way, she can't see what we see. No, she can.

[A]

Oh, you think?

[B]

Yeah. It's very, very clear that she seeks out toxic men because she had that really nice guy. She said it was the best date of her life. Nobody's ever thrown her a picnic or whatever and then she picked the totally I told you I watch.

[A]

You know Ben and I told you like pay attention last night because I

[B]

told you I watched for you. I told you I watch.

[A]

Well, that is our show. Ben, it's been just an absolute pleasure and we can't thank you enough. We know how busy you are being a mogul. And you know, of course, with your pending wedding to the horse slash era thief, it's been really amazing, amazing being here with you. We can't thank you enough. And thank you to everyone for listening to the Toast Someone show. We deliver the fastest stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as podcast and our podcast we found Spotify tun republic video I the places where we listen to podcast five star review at it feels stunning and wiggly town tbr. Hope you guys have an amazing day and we'll see you tomorrow. Love you. Bye bye. Pandora Jewelry brings the sparkle to your summer now with even better prices. Enjoy up to 50% offs like styles from personalized pieces to must have favorites made for the summer. Timeless designs that shine with you through every moment wherever the summer takes you. Shop in store or online now through July 6th. Terms and conditions apply. Visit pandora.net for details.