Matt, Rachael and The Juror: Thursday, January 16th 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: "The Toast" Episode Featuring Matt, Rachael, and The Juror

Episode Details:

• Title: Matt, Rachael and The Juror
• Host/Authors: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
• Release Date: January 16, 2025

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1. The Verdict on "Juror Number Two"

The episode kicks off with Jackie and Claudia delving into the recently released film Juror Number Two. Both hosts share their initial impressions and critiques of the movie.

• Jackie Oshry (00:11): "I just assumed that this was a movie about a true story and a real juror. It literally reminded me of 12 Angry Men."

• Claudia Oshry (02:11): "I wish he didn't know that. It was just a little too convenient."

They discuss the plot intricacies, particularly focusing on J.K. Simmons' character and the movie's resemblance to true events. While Jackie appreciated the film's suspense and star-studded cast, Claudia felt certain plot points were overly convenient, detracting from the movie's realism.

2. TikTok's U.S. Shutdown and Its Implications

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the recent announcement that TikTok will cease operations in the United States by Sunday, January 16, 2025.

• Claudia Oshry (07:56): "My heart goes out to people who have created careers on TikTok and haven't diversified."

• Jackie Oshry (09:42): "Most of the big creators are multi-platform, so they might be okay, but others might struggle."

The hosts explore the impact of this shutdown on content creators, emphasizing the importance of diversifying one's online presence. Claudia expresses concern for creators heavily reliant on TikTok, while Jackie remains optimistic about those who have established multi-platform careers.

3. MLK Day and Inauguration Highlights

As the episode progresses, Jackie and Claudia touch upon the upcoming MLK Day coinciding with Inauguration Day, noting the convergence of significant events on a single day.

• Claudia Oshry (09:57): "It's going to be a big day with college football and the inauguration performers starting to pop off."

They speculate on the lineup of performers for the inauguration, mentioning artists like Carrie Underwood and Jason Aldean, and humorously comment on the logistics of arranging performances in such a high-stakes environment.

4. Bachelor Stars Matt James and Rachel Kirkenell Break Up

A major headline discussed is the unexpected breakup of Matt James and Rachel Kirkenell from The Bachelor after four years together.

• Jackie Oshry (23:52): "Their announcement was so bizarre. It doesn't feel like a typical breakup statement."

• Claudia Oshry (28:46): "The fact that he went rogue and she's still silent makes it even weirder."

The hosts analyze Matt's cryptic Instagram post and speculate on the authenticity of the breakup, considering the unusual nature of the announcement and the lack of response from Rachel. They ponder whether the breakup is genuine or possibly manipulated by external factors.

5. Wendy Williams Claims She's in a Conspiracy-Controlled Facility

Wendy Williams made headlines by asserting she is not cognitively impaired yet feels imprisoned under conservatorship.

• Jackie Oshry (32:09): "I hope the truth is she is dealing with some sort of incapacitation, not that she's literally in prison."

• Claudia Oshry (37:19): "Wendy is a queen in media, often overlooked despite her significant impact."

The discussion revolves around the veracity of Wendy's claims, considering her past public struggles with health issues. They express concern over the potential abuse of conservatorships and the lack of clarity surrounding Wendy's situation, highlighting the need for more transparency.

6. Leighton Meester Gains Fan Support After LA Fires

Leighton Meester and her husband Adam Brody experienced the loss of their home in the LA fires. In response, fans are rallying to support her music to help rebuild her life.

• Claudia Oshry (38:06): "Fans are hyping up her music just like they did for Heidi, which is wonderful."

• Jackie Oshry (39:00): "Her songs like 'Your Love's a Drug' are resurfacing, bringing much-needed support."

Jackie and Claudia commend the fan-driven initiative to boost Leighton's music streams as a means of support, noting the effectiveness of such grassroots efforts in assisting celebrities during personal hardships.

7. "Severance" Cast Engages in Unique Marketing at Grand Central Station

The cast of the Apple TV series Severance employed an unconventional marketing strategy by staging their characters in a makeshift office at Grand Central Station.

• Jackie Oshry (47:00): "It's performance art. They're literally larping their characters to drum up excitement for season two."

• Claudia Oshry (48:33): "It's smart marketing, especially in a crowded TV landscape."

The hosts appreciate the creativity behind the stunt, acknowledging how it effectively captures public attention amidst numerous competing TV shows.

8. Jen Shaw's Prison Sentence Reduced, Set to Return Before Thanksgiving

In a surprising turn of events, Jen Shaw's prison sentence has been reduced, allowing her to be released before Thanksgiving.

• Claudia Oshry (51:23): "Her crimes were severe, yet she keeps getting her sentence reduced. It's baffling."

• Jackie Oshry (52:27): "Bravo doesn't seem to mind bringing her back for the show, regardless of her past actions."

The discussion critiques the leniency shown towards Jen Shaw, comparing her situation to other high-profile cases and questioning the fairness of her sentence reductions. They also speculate on her potential return to The Real Housewives franchise, expressing concerns over the show's willingness to reintegrate controversial figures for entertainment value.

9. Revisiting "Juror Number Two" and Ethical Dilemmas

Towards the end, Jackie and Claudia circle back to Juror Number Two, further dissecting its portrayal of jury dynamics and ethical quandaries.

• Jackie Oshry (58:15): "It poses an ethical dilemma with no clear right answer, especially concerning intent and consequences."

• Claudia Oshry (61:05): "The movie masterfully creates an impossible situation, making viewers question justice and morality."

They commend the film for its thought-provoking scenarios that mirror real-life complexities within the judicial system, highlighting the nuanced performances by actors like Zoe Deutsch and Toni Collette.

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Conclusion

In this episode of The Toast, Jackie and Claudia Oshry navigate a diverse array of topics, from cinematic critiques and significant social media shifts to celebrity relationship news and thought-provoking ethical discussions in film. Their engaging conversation, punctuated with candid quotes and insightful analysis, offers listeners a comprehensive overview of current events and cultural phenomena.

Notable Quotes:

• Claudia Oshry (12:11): "The AI-generated songs sound more like what should be your next single, not a theme song for the show."

• Jackie Oshry (25:22): "I just don't believe it because it's such a bizarre announcement."

• Claudia Oshry (37:31): "Wendy is so funny. So I'm gonna choose to remember Wendy this way."

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Disclaimer: This summary is based on the transcript provided and aims to encapsulate the key discussions and insights shared by Jackie and Claudia Oshry in the episode.

Transcript

[Jackie Oshry]

Good morning, millennials.

[Claudia Oshry]

Welcome back to the toast and happy Thursday. That doesn't feel like a Friday. Which is disgusting because it should be a Friday. Anybody else feel that way?

[Jackie Oshry]

I feel that way. I feel like yesterday I was sharing how this week felt really slow. And do you find that it's felt slow?

[Claudia Oshry]

I find. And my week has been sort of, like, disturbed in a sense, because I went out not once, but two weeknights in a row. Like, what? What the fuck? Like, this is not the same.

[Jackie Oshry]

I saw you, Shea. Margot.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I was, like, out and about. What did I do?

[Jackie Oshry]

Two nights ago, you went to Premier Protein.

[Claudia Oshry]

Thank you. I had an. A work. An appearance, if you will. The last night I had dinner with. With Brian. Like, who do I think I am? Two nights in a row. I could pass away.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know. I'm so sorry. La Turt. Last night, I did not go out. However, I did do my homework because I wrote it down in my notebook number two.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know.

[Jackie Oshry]

Let me just cross that off the list. So do you want to recap it at the end of this, even though, like, I don't think anyone's talking about that movie. It's like, movies people want us to recap.

[Claudia Oshry]

Us.

[Jackie Oshry]

Juror number two.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, we don't need, like, a formal recap. Just let me know if you liked it.

[Jackie Oshry]

So I did like it. However, I didn't have any preconceived notions about it, except that I assumed that it was going to be a true story for a couple of reasons. One, you said something on the show that. Now I understand what you were saying, but at the time, I thought you were saying, like you said, when I was watching it, I didn't realize what I was watching, like, what I was watching until halfway through. I thought you realized what case it was.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no, no. I had no idea the premise of the movie. So when he has that first flashback in the juror stand, I'm like, oh, how crazy this guy was at the same bar. Like. And then I'm like, oh, my God. Wait, no, he was there and he did it. I was like, it just kind of a brilliant premise for a movie.

[Jackie Oshry]

So just the name of the movie and the marketing. I just assumed that this was a movie about a true story and a real juror. Like, kind of like 12 angry men, you know, where it's like. It literally reminded me of 12 angry men. But then, you know, the angry man was not the one who. Spoiler alert. Actually, I just won't say anything.

[Claudia Oshry]

I did feel like there was A big, like, issue I had with the plot.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

And it was that J.K. simmons, this character, like, stumbling upon this list of cars and finding that one of them belonged to the other jury member. Like, I wish he didn't know that. Like, it was just. It was a little too convenient. Like, I wish. I wish, like, you know, the main character saw his car in the list and, like, had to throw the papers away. But, like, J.K. simmons. Are you dumb? Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I think he was actually being like, that's your. Like, he really didn't expect the odds, of course. Which is why when I thought it was a true story, if I didn't. If I knew it was fake, I've been like, this is too fake. So I'm actually glad that I had to really hold. Hold it to account by thinking it was true. And then the other thing is, now I agree with you. Like, why wasn't this nominated for anything? Every single major actor is in it. It was a very good movie. I enjoyed watching it. Like, it kept me on my toes. It wasn't, like, so much fun. I was.

[Claudia Oshry]

I had a pet.

[Jackie Oshry]

But, like, it's a Clint Eastwood movie. Every single person is of note. Why wouldn't this be nominated for literally anything or one person? And I just assumed it was a true story because the last Clint Eastwood movie that I watched was 15:17 to Paris about the. The heroes. The American heroes who took down a terrorist on the train. And. And in that movie, like, the heroes played themselves.

[Claudia Oshry]

I heard the movie was horrible, like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Which was just a lot of Cl.

[Claudia Oshry]

Heroes. Because heroes are heroes, but heroes are not. Heroes are heroes. They aren't actors. And I heard that movie was bad. Like, not to.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, the movie was bad. And because it was. I just thought, like, Clint Eastwood was doing true stories now. Also, did you know that his daughter plays the girlfriend in this movie?

[Claudia Oshry]

Wait, wait, whose daughter?

[Jackie Oshry]

His daughter Francesca played the. The mer. The killed girl. Wait, and, like, she really doesn't look like herself.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, I know her from her iconic.

[Jackie Oshry]

Keeping up with Ms. Woods, Eastwood and company.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes, of course. Juror number two. Oh, my God. Wait, I'm freaking.

[Jackie Oshry]

And so a couple times they showed her. I was like, is that the daughter? She really didn't look like her. And then the next time they showed her, I was like, let me look for her face.

[Claudia Oshry]

No.

[Jackie Oshry]

And it was her.

[Claudia Oshry]

It didn't even cross my mind. Yeah, she plays.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's Clint Eastwood's daughter.

[Claudia Oshry]

She plays Kendall Carter.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's so gorgeous.

[Claudia Oshry]

This is the girl with the Birkin From. And Tyler Shields. Like, you're lying. Wait. Fun fact. That's crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. So I just feel like this movie's not really getting, like, the legs it deserves, but it was reminding me of, like, my cousin Vinnie with a little bit of juror number two. I mean, of 12 angry men. And I just. I thought it was, like, a good thing piece. It definitely gives you a pit. I don't want to. I feel like literally five people listening to the show have watched the movie, and they might have even turned off today's podcast by now because, like, who cares about this movie? I don't want to spoil it, but maybe at the end, I'll just say, like, the thing that I have to say that would spoil it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. I have something to say about our big toast theme song competition. Like, not only, oh, my gosh, it's a competition off to the ra. Like, I was nervous nobody was going to submit, but of course they were going to submit. We got a ton of submissions yesterday. It's only day one. I don't want to discourage anybody. We have not chosen a winner. We are watching. We are enjoying. We're not even thinking about a winner. So you have until Sunday to get your submissions in. But I do want to make a little bit of an announcement that we should have included on yesterday's major announcement is that if you're generating a song from AI I don't care how good the song is, like, you that you are disqualified.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's just. Even though some of them have been really good, first of all, the AI songs sound more like what should be your next single, not a theme song for the show. So that's a different conversation. But it's just not in the spirit of this competition.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's a creative competition to create original lyrics, original music. And so if your song is AI Generated, I love you for participating, but you are not qualified.

[Jackie Oshry]

I also feel like a lot of the AI Generated songs focus too much on, like, the toast as a piece of bread. And real ones know, like, AI is obviously not a toaster yet, but they would know, like, that has nothing to do with the premise in the song. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I'm loving what we're seeing so far.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm loving it. Do you have a front? I have two front runners in my head. What do you think?

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, so I have two front runners, too, so far. Now I want to, you know, the song that we end up with. Like, I. I do have some changes that I. That I want to request from the songwriter upon handing over the Song, like, neither are perfect, you know, but again, like, I. I'm fully open to more submissions. I'm loving this journey, and I've really been surprised at how quickly people have come up with, like, really cute stuff.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, agreed. And I love what we've seen so far. However, I also feel like the best is yet to come because I feel like the. The real Matthew Comas of the world are still in the studio laying down tracks. And so, like, the things that are going to come in the next few days might actually be even more produced than what we've already seen. Seen.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

So even though, like, I have two that I would be, like, so proud to play at the beginning of the show, I'm holding space that, like, the winner might not even.

[Claudia Oshry]

The best is yet to come.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Take your time. There's no, you know, award for finishing the quickest, so. That's what she said.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm following the hashtag, so I'm seeing everything.

[Claudia Oshry]

Me too. Although, like, the majority of the competition is taking place on Tick Tock. And I have to say, like, it has been, like, a true nightmare to have to share all those with you. And I wanted to let everybody know if you really want to be taken seriously and I can't download your video for whatever reason, some people have, like, privacy settings on. It doesn't bode well. So make sure your privacy settings are set to our. I can DNS it for Jackie.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Also, we were watching Jer Number two last night, so we were busy. But at the end of each day, I will go on Zack's phone and look at the hashtag videos. But you just have to, like, just know that for you, Claudia, like, until the end of the day, I won't have seen them all. So if you want me to see something, yes, you do have to DNS.

[Claudia Oshry]

Big TikTok news they announced yesterday is that not only do we have until Sunday, but it wasn't, as previously reported, that the app is going to just, you know, disappear from the App Store, but if you have it on your phone, it's going to continue to work. They plan on shutting down U.S. operations on Sunday. So I think the app itself will stop working.

[Jackie Oshry]

You know, like, you'll click it and there'll be a link to a website about the ban.

[Claudia Oshry]

Damn. And now it's really setting in for me. Now I feel happy that, you know, it's. I feel like when I was coming up as, like, a content creator, everybody was like, well, what would you do if Instagram disappears and it's like, well, it's not, so shut up. Well, I'm sure people who got their careers, you know, started on Tik Tok, their friends and family been like, well, what would you do if Tic Tac disappears? And like now that's actually a reality. So my heart goes out to people who have created careers, like, and not really become multi platform and started YouTube channels or Instagram followings. For me, like as a creator, in terms of like my job, TikTok like creates revenue for me, but it's not my biggest platform and it's not germane to the operation. Yeah, it's like it's supplemental to the podcast and my Instagram, so I have other things outside of it. So I feel as like a Internet personality. Like I feel safe. But I do worry about like the swirlies who popped off in Covid and had millions of followers and like I've been doing but didn't expand beyond that, like starting a YouTube channel or a podcast or something else. And you know, not to be like Patricia Altshul, but anytime like a creator like asks me for advice, I always tell them like to go off platform, like have a million different things because you really never know. And so it'll be interesting to see how the landscape of like your favorite creators exist outside of Tick Tock. A lot of them have transcended the platform and like now we don't even think of them as Tick Tockers. But no, a lot of them have them.

[Jackie Oshry]

And if there are a lot of people's favorite creators, then of course you're going to follow your favorite creator wherever they go next. So I think it will be more so for people who kind of like blew up, didn't do much after that, but was like kind of resting on their laurels of like having a big following for one reason or another. But most of the big creators, like they are multi platform, they post their videos to reels. Like I think a lot of people will be okay, but you will have to put on your businesswoman and man panties and get creative and start to enterprise.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, and start to franchise. Exactly. I love that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So as somebody who's like heavily interested in the media landscape of influencers and content creators, I do think this will be really interesting to see. I think it'll be detrimental for some people and for some people they won't be affected. I think it depends on what you've done with your time so far.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

But the app is like actually like allegedly. And then they say like Trump's Gonna save it. Now Biden's saying, wait, I want in. Like, I feel like everybody, like, someone wants to look like the hero here. Because, like, oh, if you're a politician and you want Gen Z to love you, say this dumb app. Like, just do it. They're all going to Red Note already and, like, signing up for the Chinese Army. Like, right, right.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's really, like, the terms and conditions.

[Claudia Oshry]

Are all in Chinese. Like, who knows what? Literally the whole app is in Chinese. Like, who knows what they're signing up for? So it's actually people's alternatives are worse. So just figure it out.

[Jackie Oshry]

Maybe TikTok wasn't so bad.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right, Right. As we all march off to General.

[Jackie Oshry]

Che, you know, I do think that it will be banned Sunday and then it will be back Monday morning. That's what I think. It's like part of the first hundred days. Executive orders. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Also, I was just reading a tweet. Monday of next week is MLK Day, Inauguration Day. It was some. The first day without Tick tock and it's like a big college football day. Like, it's. It's like everything's happening on One day.

[Jackie Oshry]

Next week countdown too. It really feels that way. Plus, like, it will be a few days after Molly May's documentary, so we'll all still be, like, reeling from that. Also, the inauguration performers, like, are kind of starting to pop off.

[Claudia Oshry]

I feel like once Carrie Underwood took the bullet, Gavin DeGraw was more than happy to follow suit. Like, she.

[Jackie Oshry]

No one wants to be. Guys, Rascal Flats is reuniting to perform at the inauguration. Like, it's turning into Jack's Fest.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Maga Ball equals Jackie Ball. Like, literally there. Nobody wanted to be, like, the first one. Because even when I think about, like, mainstream people who are, like, publicly fans of Trump, like, I think of Kid Rock, who's like, he doesn't have much to lose right now. Like, he's not like, touring or whatever. I think of Jason Aldean and I think, like, definitely that was like, a big thing for him. But I don't know, it doesn't feel as different for a woman to do it. It's like, actually so much different. So for Carrie Underwood to, like, bear the brunt of it, she is taking the heat forever, and everyone else is sort of like, scurrying in behind her. Rascal Flats, Gavin de Gras.

[Jackie Oshry]

So are Rascal Flats, Gavin and Jason Aldean is also performing. Are they performing at the inauguration or, like, at other things?

[Claudia Oshry]

There's like a ball and Then. But, like, where's the one that's on tv? Where, like.

[Jackie Oshry]

And also, like, if Rascal Flats are performing and it's not on tv. Are you kidding me?

[Claudia Oshry]

Right? Well, we're just gonna have to take a trip to Uncasville.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, I am going to Uncasville, but I. I'm not taking a trip to D.C. to see them. I could do that, like, for their tour.

[Claudia Oshry]

I smell like barbecue. Maybe the building's burning. No, someone's, like, definitely cooking. I love the smell of barbecue.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, it is a good one.

[Claudia Oshry]

I also feel like I'm just, like, phantom smelling things that I wish I was eating.

[Jackie Oshry]

Do you wish you were eating barbecue?

[Claudia Oshry]

I wish I was eating, period. Like, that's just kind of where I'm at.

[Jackie Oshry]

Understood.

[Claudia Oshry]

I want to talk about Tums.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

Tums have become. Tums have become. I mean, they've always been really important to me, but so crazy is, you didn't. You and I didn't grow up in, like, a Tums household. Like, we grew up in a household where, like, we took Advil. We weren't like Christian Scientists, but, like, you know, everybody gravitates towards their own pharmaceuticals. And I know we didn't grow up in, like, a. A house with, like, intest. Gastrointestinal issues.

[Jackie Oshry]

A family with tummy issues.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, we have, like, headaches and pains and joints. That's why we love Advil. But I don't know. I just. Okay, so then when I started dating Ben, one thing about Ben is, like, ever since he was in high school.

[Jackie Oshry]

Tummy issue, man.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, yes, but ever since he was in high school, Ben drives everywhere. That's, like, his thing. He would. They used to call him the vehicle because he was huge, but also because he always had a vehicle. And when we used. Like, when we were dating, we spent a lot of time in his car. And him and his family, like, they're a Tums family.

[Jackie Oshry]

They had doing in the car.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm kidding. They had. Jackie, the biggest vat of Tums you've ever seen. I actually think it was, like, generic brand from, like, Costco. Like, they don't. They don't even make Tums. These bit this big. And I remember, like, Ben made me take one once. Like, I don't even think I was feeling anything. I'm just like, what are Tums? Like, I've always seen them. Lo and behold, it was a slippery slope. It was a gateway drug. Like, now I truly can't live without Tums, especially being pregnant in pregnancy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And Tums is innovating constantly. I feel like they've been around forever, but, like, they're unscented, unflavored, like, og pieces of chalk, like, are their bread and butter. But now they make a bunch of different fakaked. You know, they have the smoothie ones, which I like, but they've recently reformulated and not reformulated. They offer a second variety, a second formula, and they're like Skittles. They're like extra large Skittles. They're like hard candy shell and then, like, chewy gummy on the inside. I believe they're called the chewy Bites. I have the assorted berries flavor right here. I wanna say they're terrible. They taste.

[Jackie Oshry]

They don't work.

[Claudia Oshry]

They taste good, obviously, like. Yeah, Skittles taste good too. They don't work.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, they don't work.

[Claudia Oshry]

We, like, we got duped, like, because the. The package is so much better than that, like, stupid roll. And it's, like, colorful, and it tastes good.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. And, like, crunching on that chalk is icky. So if you don't have to do that, like, that would be nice, but it's not as effective.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I feel like I need RFK to look into this. I just feel like it's not.

[Jackie Oshry]

RFK's gotten to work. You see that red dye band?

[Claudia Oshry]

I did. And then it got me thinking. Do you think that there's red three in, like, these are red.

[Jackie Oshry]

Look at the ingredients.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yep.

[Jackie Oshry]

There are other red dyes. Obviously, Red 40.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm familiar with Red 40. Good.

[Jackie Oshry]

But apparently the. The dye that was banned is even worse than Red 40. It's been banned in cosmetics. So we're ingesting and we couldn't even put it on our skin. That's so crazy. Forward to more changes like this. It's been really positive.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, actually.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, wait, there's definitely not.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God. Wait. You're gonna die. There's red 40 in here, I believe red. And there's yellow and blue numbers. Do we care about those?

[Jackie Oshry]

Food colorings aren't great, but Red 40 is worse. And also, Red 40 is also just bad for kids. I don't know how much it affects adults. Adults. But also, does it affect. Does it make, like, you know, in utero them all hyper? I don't know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God. Baby starts kicking. You know, I think I've started to feel kicks.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, it starts as, like, flutters, right?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. I'm feeling what I thought was gas, and I'm like, damn, I've been having so much gas. At night. And then when I went to my pelvic floor therapy, she was like, have you felt any kicks? I'm like, no, but, like, does it feel like bubbles, like, in your. And she was like, yeah. She was like, yeah. I was like.

[Jackie Oshry]

And then it will be an unmistakable foot.

[Claudia Oshry]

So, no, I'm definitely like, I'm feeling kicks galore.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, that's so sweet.

[Claudia Oshry]

I think we've got a little soccer star on our hands.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, that's a classic saying.

[Claudia Oshry]

He's. There's a couple of classic sayings. I've actually ended up on, like, a side of tick tock where they're like, you know, like, talking about classic sayings that they hate. And, like, people are like, how inappropriate is when they say, oh, she's gonna be a heartbreaker. I'm like, no, that's cute. You're calling her pretty, like, thanks. I have no problem with it.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know. They're just like. They just want to be a part of the, like, offended part.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Fun to be.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. We live in a society that places a lot of value on victimhood. So I think everybody's, like, always attaching themselves to, like, well, I'm a woman. I'm a Jewish woman. I'm a queer Jewish, like, however many things you can. Like, tally makes you, like, more valuable, more, like, powerful. And let's just be clear. Like, I am a pregnant Jewish woman. Sorry, a plus sized Jewish woman.

[Jackie Oshry]

And pregnant. So you.

[Claudia Oshry]

But I feel like pregnant is, like, temporary. So you can't.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. If there's ever sect of society that we would actually give a pass for, it would be the pregnant woman.

[Claudia Oshry]

A thousand percent.

[Jackie Oshry]

And the thing is, what about the quiet? You don't have it forever.

[Claudia Oshry]

And what about the quiet woman?

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, the quiet woman, let's talk about her. Since she can't speak for herself.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm sorry, what was that?

[Jackie Oshry]

Since she can't speak for herself.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's Thursday, which is always so nice, where it's like, we don't have deer toasters. We don't have a TV recap. We don't have Queenie and Weenie. It's just your girls.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's just your girls. We have really good stories. I've got six minutes. Maybe I'll do a choose. Your adventure. Maybe I'll give you a choose.

[Claudia Oshry]

I am on, like, content Watch for one of our stories. I'm just. I'm not. I'm not convinced that the Matt James story ends here.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I will be checking my Phone periodically if you see me, just to make sure, like he hasn't said, hey, guys, I've been hacked, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes. Okay, well, that's a little teaser for the stories and I guess without further ado, we could get into them. So now what? What's today's date? I also had another countdown.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm going to tell you. Let me guess.

[Jackie Oshry]

You want to know something? There's something that I haven't shared. I feel like I've been really quiet at the Redheads because the book I chose for this month, it was. It publishes today. So we had to like wait a week till you see. I know, but I was like, I. It was an AI recommendation. They recommended a bunch of books. I had read some. This one looked really good. I was like, you know what? It will be like super new and great, but it's like you can't buy it. It's like sold out. And it's. I think it might, I think.

[Claudia Oshry]

And also if you're doing like Libby, it makes it really hard if it's like a brand new book.

[Jackie Oshry]

So all eyes on redheads because I might have to change the book.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yikes.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'll still go to read it in my personal time because it looked good and I did pre order it, but it's kind of a mess.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's unprecedented where you might have to like reneg on a choice.

[Jackie Oshry]

We actually had to do it once because Snitch chose a book that was unavailable to buy anywhere interesting. It wasn't even on Kindle.

[Claudia Oshry]

Interesting.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, it's happened before, but it's a pain in the ass and I'll deal with it. Yes. That's crazy to be a redhead.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, I feel as though it is time.

[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Thank you, Church. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

That was so genuine. You're welcome.

[Jackie Oshry]

I mean it. Our first story since surprising news this morning. Bachelor stars Matt James and Rachel Kirkenell break up after four years together. So Matt James just posted to Instagram this morning a photo of him and Rachel meeting on the Bachelor, saying, father God, give Rachel and I strength to mend our broken hearts. Give us a piece about this decision to end our relationship that transcends worldly understanding. Shower our friends and family with kindness and love to comfort us and remember, remind us that our joy comes from you, Lord.

[Claudia Oshry]

Now, my very first thing I saw when I woke up was this. And I was like, oh, my God, Matt James has been hacked. Like, I did not believe this for a second. Then I saw it getting picked up. It's in Page Six okay. Magazine. So I'm like, okay, to me, this. And so I have a lot of thoughts on these two breaking up. If they did, I am not going to share them because I don't think that they broke up. First of all, the post is very strange. A lot of people are like, why is he tagging a random airport, A random hotel near the airport in Pennsylvania? It's like, oh, you guys have no idea what.

[Jackie Oshry]

Nima Colon is the herstory of Matt. I thought it was weird that he tagged me McCollin, like, period, because they met there, like, so long ago, right?

[Claudia Oshry]

So Matt James was the Bachelor during COVID and while they usually travel the globe during the Bachelor season, during COVID they were limited. So they took over this big hotel in Pennsylvania called the McCullen. And I've been dying to go ever since. So that's what I mean. A colon is for those who don't know because it's. They've really had, like, a very illustrative career post. Bachelor as like, bloggers, influencers, food people. So people, maybe don't even know them from the show. I thought the caption was beyond strange not to bring religion into it at all, but the verbiage was so like, oh, I'm a hacker from Turkey and this is how Americans talk.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, I disagree. I don't think he was hacked. I think that they broke up. I think this is an interesting way to announce it. Also, she hasn't posted anything. But her posting cadence, if you follow her, is not typical. Like, she doesn't post for days or weeks at a time and then she posts like a recap of her last week or something. So for her not to be online right now is not.

[Claudia Oshry]

And for her. For her most recent in Feed post to be December 4, which a lot of people is like, well, they've obviously broken up. She's taking a month off now. If you look back, she posts like once a month.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, who posts in feed anymore?

[Claudia Oshry]

No, it's not an indicator for me. She has no stories right now, which. And then people are also like, well, 13 hours ago, he posted a reel of them together. They were in London eating pizza. Now, I think that a lot of people don't realize how many content creators do not post in real time. I think it's very possible that they're back in the States and that trip was two weeks ago and they've broken up since. So none of that is, like, compelling to me. I just don't believe it because it's such a bizarre announcement.

[Jackie Oshry]

It is not your typical announcement, but.

[Claudia Oshry]

The fact that he went rogue and she's still silent when, like, a lot of public people, even when they, like, don't end really well, they always release a joint statement just to be like, we're good. Leave us alone. Like, I don't know. It's weird.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, I think that they broke up and now in thinking about them in their relationship, I haven't really thought about them in a while. I think it makes sense because they've been dating a really long time. And so either they were about to announce that they're engaged or that they broke up. And I think they could go either way with these things. And now thinking about them, I really, you know, they've been kind of quiet. I feel like maybe they've been on and off for some time because there's always been, like, rumors about them and the way that they started, they obviously met on the Bachelor and then they broke up and.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

And so they've always been a little touch and go and that they didn't get engaged. Sooner, I think. Yeah. It's time.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. When I think about it, like, at a glance, these two potentially breaking up, it's. It's surprising, but. But it's really not. I think that if I were to, like, really look inward and think about what I think of these two, I feel like I almost see them more as, like, roommates and friends than, like, romantic partners. They seem like they get along really well. They have common interests, but they like to eat. They like to eat. But it just also feels like it has been so long, especially when you come from the Bachelor, where, like, it's really crazy. You get engaged after. And so while theirs was a little bit less traditional because they had that big scandal, they broke up, they got back together. You're still used to people from the Bachelor moving in, like, an orderly fashion. And not only did they not do that, they maintained a relationship for so many years without progressing.

[Jackie Oshry]

Four years.

[Claudia Oshry]

So, yeah, like, them being broken up isn't crazy to me. The announcement is so crazy, which is why I'm truly. I am truly in disbelief.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, it's a crazy announcement. I like when someone shakes it up a little bit. You know, it's not what's expected. It's not a joint statement. Please respect our privacy. It's a public prayer.

[Claudia Oshry]

Just remind me every 20 minutes to, like, check my phone to see if, like, anything happened, because I'm just. I'm. I'm not convinced.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. So do you think they're still together?

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, so a lot of people who are like me. And the thing is, to be clear, I'm not in denial. Like, oh, my faves broke up. I'm not in denial.

[Jackie Oshry]

You're confused.

[Claudia Oshry]

I am. And so I think a lot of people are coming up with theories, like, I am. And a lot of people think that, like, this is the first clue in many that they're actually engaged. Their relationship has ended as boyfriend and girlfriend.

[Jackie Oshry]

Give Rachel and I strength to mend our broken hearts. Give us a piece about this decision to end our relationship that transcends worldly understanding. They have ended their relationship.

[Claudia Oshry]

Maybe not. Shocking. Excuse me. Hold on.

[Jackie Oshry]

Bless you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Maybe why I find this shocking is because I've never known these two to be particularly religious. Like, if Hannah Brown broke up with someone and left this as her caption, I'd be like, well, with the good Lord unto you. Like, I don't. And I'm sure everybody's allowed to, like, be religious and, like, keep it to themselves. I just don't know this about them as, like, a Characteristic. So it just felt so out of left field, too. And I could see like a hacker, like, LARPing as an American. I don't know. I just. I find it. I don't know.

[Jackie Oshry]

I just don't think a hacker is this in the weeds and that they've hacked into this big account and this is what they're going to do. So I think it. They're. They're social media, even cadence of posting and things that it's not really, like, traditional. Like, here's every thought and feeling. It's much more curated.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yep.

[Jackie Oshry]

So I think this was, like, curated and I think they're broken up and that's that on that.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm in shock.

[Jackie Oshry]

That they broke up.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, that, like, this is how we're finding out how they went about it. Weird.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Well, good luck to them in this next chapter of their lives.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. There's a lot of, you know, whispers about who these two could date next, which is always a fun game to play with, like two hot young fangs.

[Jackie Oshry]

They could also go on paradise.

[Claudia Oshry]

They shouldn't go on Paradise. They have really. I think the fact that so many people didn't even know what Nema Colon was like really proves how far away from the franchise there and how they successfully turned into, like, content creators and celebrities.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

But that doesn't mean they can't date around in the real reality.

[Jackie Oshry]

Country star for her.

[Claudia Oshry]

Love Chase Rice.

[Jackie Oshry]

Love Chase Rice. He's always available.

[Claudia Oshry]

I actually could see her with Riley Green. Even though I ship you, I ship him and that girl Ella. It look like you love me. I could see it.

[Jackie Oshry]

There's a lot like you.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, I be. To want you to come on home. I ended up on, like, fan fiction about those two. Did I tell you?

[Jackie Oshry]

Could you see her with Craig Conover?

[Claudia Oshry]

That's what people were saying on social media. I saw it on Liz Woods's Instagram. I not only.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, that was an original thought. I just want to say.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, yeah, no, you're not the only one. A lot of people said that the archives and I would. I would love. Because I also feel like I remember seeing content from them that was like, talking about getting engaged and how like Matt. I forget what it was, but it was like the. The subtext was like, that Rachel's sort of like, waiting and that's never a good place to be. It's almost like her and her and Craig were in the same position.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. So I could see them also just getting along on an interests level.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

I could see her Moving to Charleston.

[Claudia Oshry]

Same.

[Jackie Oshry]

And adding value to the show.

[Claudia Oshry]

I could see that as well. They're both very good looking people. Like, it won't be hard.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, it won't.

[Claudia Oshry]

To venture out.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's fun.

[Claudia Oshry]

That is fun. But I need a little bit more before I can, like, really close the chapter on these two. I'm beyond confused.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, well, are you ready for our next story?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Wendy Williams is making headlines as she insists that she's not cognitively impaired and feels like she's in prison in a bombshell Breakfast Club interview. So Wendy Williams called into the Breakfast Club on Thursday morning in a plea for freedom. The six year old and her niece told listeners that she is trapped in a facility in New York with elderly patients without access to her phone or laptop while under guardianship. She called her situation emotional abuse. In the bombshell interview, she said, I am not cognitively impaired, but I feel like I am in prison. I am definitely isolated. To talk to these people who live here. That is not my cup of tea. She said, I keep the door closed, I watch tv, I listen to the radio, I watch the window. I sit here and my life goes by. She claimed her cats have been taken and are gone despond, despite her wanting to be with them and that she is in a conservatorship despite not being cognitively impaired.

[Claudia Oshry]

So this immediately reminded me of some sort of Frida McFadden book because I could see two different realities, one in which, like, this is a person who has been completely taken advantage of that, like, literally had money, had people around her who were bad faith actors and they literally put her in a facility, put her in a conservatorship and are stealing money from her and she's trying to get her story out. But I could also see, like the plot twist of this book being like, she's actually deeply unwell. She had a moment of lucidity or she. This is like a, a fantasy in her mind. Like, what's that movie Shutter island where he's like actually a patient and they're playing this game. Like, I don't know, it gives me the willies. Like, I don't know what reality is.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, it's like there's also.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's not like there hasn't been like a couple of years of. We've seen Wendy Williams over the last couple of years, like struggle publicly with like, health things and then also be on camera caught by TMZ looking a little and sounding a little, you know, not so clear. So it's not like There isn't. But maybe they laid that path for us.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right? Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't know. I don't know what's true here.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know either. But it's a scary one to think about the first situation.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's almost too terrible to think about.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, I hope, like, not that I want her to be unwell, but I. I hope that the truth. Truth is that she is dealing with some sort of. She's incapacitated in some way. And that's why she's been placed under the care of these people and under a conservatorship and a guardianship. Because if it is the alternative and what she said this morning is completely true. Like, it's a horror.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's a horror. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I don't know. And maybe I'm just, like, saying it to make myself feel better, because I refuse to, like, believe there's someone living literally in a prison, like, she's kidnapped, if that's true. Actually had access to a phone. I need to know more about the niece, too.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, the niece was there helping her and, like, sharing more details of the situation.

[Claudia Oshry]

And, like, maybe this niece is taking advantage of this elderly, sick woman. Like, I don't know.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know.

[Claudia Oshry]

There's a lot. I need Frida to write a book about it, to just explain. Explain it to me.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, but then the end would be the cliffhanger. Kind of like the end of juror number two, by the way, like, what.

[Claudia Oshry]

Is they're saying is okay, going, so spoiler alert. So many people when I watch a movie. What did you think of the ending? What do you think happened? Is it a mystery? Why else would the D A show up at somebody's house to chat?

[Jackie Oshry]

The police didn't show up.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know. Maybe she was giving him a heads up or something. But, like, if she wasn't gonna turn him in, why on God's green diddly dally earth would that be at this guy's house?

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, I thought if they wanted to let you know for sure that he was going away for it, the police would have come and arrested him.

[Claudia Oshry]

Maybe they were right behind Toni Collette. She just wanted to give him a heads up because they had, like, this weird friendship. Like, it was so clear to me, like, you're going to jail.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, do you think that he should go to jail?

[Claudia Oshry]

I think that had he come forward, it would have been a lot different. But now it looks like a bad faith actor. And why would someone believe him that, like, this is exactly how it happened because he's been caught. So you say anything when you're caught, you know.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, but it's like Kiefer Sutherland said with his record, this would been strike too, and they would have, you know, jail for.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. Oh, Kiefer Sutherland did say that. Yeah. So I was like, are you quoting Kiefer Sutherland or like, I forgot who's in the movie. Yeah, I'm not sure.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm not sure. It's hard to think about.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And it's hard to think about Wendy Williams, like, seriously wishing her well. Wendy Williams is a queen. I think her impact as a woman in media is often overlooked actually, like, dead. Seriously.

[Jackie Oshry]

When we talk about the greats.

[Claudia Oshry]

When we talk about the greats and when we talk about people who like, actually move the needle and actually, like, entertained people for so many years, like, we don't talk about her like we talk about Ellen, but Wendy Williams often gets overlooked by the historians. And she's the type of person who actually needs a documentary because there was just one about Wendy or was it about her situation, like her conservatorship? I mean, her like, her overarching career. Because she had a lifetime original movie about her that was, like, dramatized. I watched it. You liked it? It. It was. I liked it in the way that I like Hallmark movies. Like, they're terrible pieces of, you know, but my takeaways from it were, like, really how she came up in radio and went on to become, like, one of the, you know, longest running women in daytime. It's actually really impressive and nobody talks about it. And I think if they gave her, like, a proper documentary, people would really respect her. But I do think she gets, like. She gets, like, written off a little bit. Do you feel that? Like, we're like, oh, crazy Wendy Williams.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know if it's because of, like, what's happening now or no.

[Claudia Oshry]

And when you think of her cultural impact, like, so many, like viral tick tock sounds like are literally just Wendy Williams. Like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Are you a Nikki fan? Am I a Nikki fan? Pull up in the what did Wendy Osefa from Real Houses of Potomac. She misquoted the Nicki Minaj line. Am I a Nicki fan? Pull up in the monster. The real lyrics is put up with the monster automobile gangster. But she says pull up in the Sri Lanka. Also clap if you're fat. Like, there are so many wedding Williams. She's so funny. So I'm gonna choose to remember Wendy this way.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Are you ready for our Next story.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

So fans are trying to give Leighton Meester the Heidi Pratt treatment. Leighton Meester's fans hype up the actresses underappreciated pop music to help her rebuild her home after the LA fires. So Leighton Meester and Adam Brody, their house was one of first to burn down in the LA fires. And now fans are starting to hype up her music that she released back in the day and try and do for Leighton what the Internet did for Heidi's music as well. So I love this.

[Claudia Oshry]

The fact that her songs are just reentering the Zeitgeist, I'll never be upset about. However, do we know that they didn't have insurance? Like, the thing why everybody felt so compelled to help Spencer and Heidi has been very vocal that Farmers Insurance dropped them. Like, he's been outspoken about that. So I don't know if Leighton and Adam are in the same situation. They're also not in the same situation because I think, like, financially they're a lot better off than like two former reality stars who are like active content creators versus, you know, he has a hit show on Netflix. I think she chooses to work when she wants to work. Like, I think they're very different situations.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But her songs are coming back into the fold now, of course. Somebody to love, your love's a drug. I don't know how the royalties on Summer Girl would get to her because it is from the movie Warner Brothers. And I do wish the initiative was a little more like, let's all watch Country Strong to support Late Eaten.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Because that is a challenge I could definitely be a part of. But I think every now and then we're reminded of the great work she did in the music industry. And so if this is just another reminder for a young generation to be influenced by her music and her work, then I'm not upset about it. I just want to say I don't think it's the same situation as Heiter and Heidi and Spencer.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Also good girls go bad. And she did have a debut album, Heartstrings, with Universal Republic. No, no, that was independently released, so. So that's even more.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, so we should be streaming her independent music.

[Jackie Oshry]

But her previously she was with Universal Republic. With your loves, you're a drug.

[Claudia Oshry]

That was really crazy how her decision after Gossip Girl was to become a pop star, which was a brilliant decision. And I don't think any of the other girls had the same goals, so it wasn't competitive at all. And how she really made an impact even at the time. Like, she was popping off. It's not like now we look back and be like, no. And then she just sort of decided she didn't want to do it anymore. Yeah, who would give up a career like that? She was, like, giving them a run for their money.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I feel like she's a real one. Like, she really keeps herself. I think she just, like, lives her life, is in a happy marriage.

[Claudia Oshry]

Works now. Yes, she's very settled.

[Jackie Oshry]

Works to work. But maybe all of the glitz and glam in the industry, like, wasn't for her. And she's also in that show Parenthood. Like, don't let's not forget, one of.

[Claudia Oshry]

My show favorite Leighton Meester moments is, like, actually somewhat recently after her and Seth Cohen had been married for a while, and they don't do, like, a lot of press together. I think one of the first times they did an interview together, like, Entertainment Tonight, the interview was like, do you guys understand, like, the impact of Leighton Meester, Blair Waldorf marrying Seth Cohen? And they were like, no. Like, they literally don't give a. And then, by the way, Jackie, they gave the fans nothing. They were like, we, like, we get it. Like, we were both on shows, but.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, they are so wrong for that. I just want to say, you have.

[Claudia Oshry]

To watch the interview. It's like, this girl. And it was a good question. I can't blame the journalist. She was like, do you get it? Like, what it means to so many people? And she was like, no. She was like, what do you mean? Like, we're married and she's like. And we act like she was just, like, very literal about it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, my God, that is.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I get it. She wasn't, like, a teenager who got to appreciate Blair Waldorf and Seth Cohen. But, like, she doesn't get it. And I don't think she wants to get it either.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, no, no.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And I feel like he plays with, like, the Internet. He, like, you know, he knows he's, like, playing a part. Like Seth Cohen. Like, he does it for, like, his work, and then he goes home and rolls his eyes. She gives the people nothing. I love it.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, nothing. Well, Stream Layton, if you want to.

[Claudia Oshry]

Support some of us. Never stopped. I'm just like, seriously flops.

[Jackie Oshry]

And when I get my hair down.

[Claudia Oshry]

The party never stops. And who needs a boyfriend?

[Jackie Oshry]

I got My Girlfriends.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, that song is so good. That whole album from the country, strong soundtrack is just incredible. But the Layton songs in particular, they're not all original songs. They're like, one of them is Like a Sarah Evans song. Yeah, they're brilliant. They are brilliant. Beyond brilliant. Of course there are original songs because I'm Country Strong, like, so many good ones. But I highly recommend taking a deep dive in the Country Strong soundtrack.

[Jackie Oshry]

I recommend streaming Country Strong to support and watching and listening to the album.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, you know, I saw a really funny interview. My boyfriend, Tim Riggins, Taylor Kitsch. You know, I'm sure he gets asked this all the time. Like, would you have a reboot? And he was like, no. If they asked me to, like, come. They're doing a reboot, and they wanted me to play, like, a coach for another team, I would maybe do an episode. But, like, I'm not committing. I'm not becoming riggings again. Like, I don't want to be doing multiple seasons of it. And I found it so refreshing. Like, obviously, I'm devastated, but, like, why can't we let perfect things remain perfect? And I feel like he. I don't know if it was. And I don't think he's so booked and busy that he would, like, you know, be too good for the job. I think he just, like, likes the work that he did and wants to leave it alone. And I was like, I wish we could get more comfortable answering this. Like, yes, I don't want to do it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But also, a lot of those shows when the people are, like, in their young adult years, like, they don't look back on them as fondly as we remember it. Like, it's traumatic. It's, like, toxic. You know, they're not as obsessed with it as we are. So we have.

[Claudia Oshry]

Having said that, I just know that Scott Porter saw that interview and cried because he's ready. Yeah, he is. RWA Ready, willing and able.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Thank you. Claude Space.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Claude Space.

[Claudia Oshry]

Just Claude.

[Jackie Oshry]

Our next story. Some interesting marketing news because the cast of a show called Severance has drawn huge crowds in Grand Central Station to promote season two of their show called Severance.

[Claudia Oshry]

Why are you saying it like that? Have you never heard it?

[Jackie Oshry]

I just, I just feel like if I keep saying Severance without like making it known that it's the show called, like it could get lost in the sentence.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. Because it's also like a word.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes. So the acclaimed Apple TV series called Severance deployed an unlikely marketing tactic ahead of its second season, which returns on Friday. The series cast, including Adam Scott, Britt Lauer, Zach Cherry, Tramel Tillman and Patricia Arquette, all gathered as their respective characters at Grand Central Station on Tuesday. Several social media users posted videos of the installment and documented the cast portraying their characters in their makeshift office space in the center of the train station. So it's just like this glass box and all the actors are in there like kind of literally larping their characters for the show to drum up some excitement for their new show Severin season.

[Claudia Oshry]

You know, it's hard to stand out when there's so many TV shows and this is a popular show. I watched the beginning of the last season. It gave me such a pit I had to turn it off. I found myself like I'm not a person who suffers from like depression or anxiety. I felt actively depressed and really anxious.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like why?

[Claudia Oshry]

It's just, it's a show about like a very high stress job. I think they work in financing. I think it's in the uk. Don't correct me if I'm wrong. I watched it a really long time ago and it's like very high stakes and it's the way it's filmed is like, very gray. It's just like I really, like, had a very physical reaction to this show. Me and Ben were like, we were really disturbed for the rest of the night. And I just never forgot it. I never want to watch it. People love it. And there's been a. It was a long time ago, so there's been a lot of hype for the second season. And I think that, you know, there's so many TV shows out there and it's hard to stand out when it comes to promoting your. Your content. I thought this was kind of brilliant. It of course reminded me of where Carrie met Alexander Petrovsky, where that artist was like sitting in a glass box for 24 hours, no food, no water. You know, like, it was giving. It was giving performance art.

[Jackie Oshry]

It is performance art. But these are, you know, artists, performers. And I think it's really putting them to work in a good way. They're literally larping. So I like that and I agree. I. Now that I think of it, I've heard of the show Severance. I've seen like posters for it, but it never really stood out from the heap of other shows.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

And this stands out now. Maybe I would have watched it if you said something better about it. But no, I don't want to feel those feelings you just described. So I'll set this one out.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, maybe it was just me because I know people love it, but like, you guys, I was seriously not okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Was like anything disturbing happening or. It's just like the fast paced nature was like just giving you anxiety.

[Claudia Oshry]

The fast. The whole thing was giving me anxiety. And then I remember at the very end of the first episode. I don't want to say. Hold on, let me just triple check. Severance episode one, season one ending. Like, I'm pretty sure something happened at the very end of the first episode that was disturbing. Really gave me a pit. Okay, maybe not. I don't remember. I just remember, like really having like a not good time while watching it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Understood. Well, also, Ben Stiller is like the director of this, so he was like there like filming in Grand Central, like.

[Claudia Oshry]

Having the best time.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And I. I'm happy for team Severance. Like.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I just feel like it's a particularly unglamorous task to like stand in Grand Central. And these are like celebrities who like, seriously haven't been on a train and they haven't been on the train station, like at the subway. Like, I just imagine like when they got booked for this, they were like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, no, they haven't worked this hard in a while.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Like, because it's very physical too. Like they had to be walking around being like, whoa, look at this file. Like, I imagine while we're all enjoying it and like praising its marketing positives, the actual people doing it were like, this blows.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But they did it and maybe they didn't have to. And so I think that that is good and exciting for the fans of the show and will drum up more interest in the show for sure.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. It was giving the boy in the plastic bubble. They were in this like, actual clear box. It was hilarious.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, that is really funny.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, it's smart. I liked it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[Claudia Oshry]

Wow.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Bidding is such sweet sorrow. Sure.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, Jen Shaw's prison sentence has been reduced again and she will be home before Thanksgiving. 2026 reports are reporting, not to sound.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like Sandra Bullock, but like harsher punishment for, you know, elder abuse. How would she keep getting out of prison so quick?

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know. So she would be home in about less than two years. And it's like this is. She's doing her time. She's not. She's definitely not getting any leniency because of who she is. And so she will likely come home when the show is still on the air. I thought by the time she got out of prison, this show would be long gone and it would just move on. But no, she will come back to this show.

[Claudia Oshry]

How long will she have served?

[Jackie Oshry]

She will. When did she go in?

[Claudia Oshry]

I believe it was an eight year sentence.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think she. She pled guilty in July 2022. So she went, she got sentenced January 2023 and went to prison February 2023. And then by March her sentence was lessened by one year. And now it has been so 2023 to 2026, three years.

[Claudia Oshry]

And her original sentence was what?

[Jackie Oshry]

Am I correct in six and a half years.

[Claudia Oshry]

Got it. So her. Okay. And so I know every state is different, so you can't compare like one person sending zoo to another. But I'm always thinking about the Chrisleys who got like such a harsh sentencing and every time they appeal, every time they get denied everything, like they cannot catch a break. These people and their crimes were very similar to Jen Jaws. Actually, theirs were in my opinion, a little bit lesser because they were stealing from banks. Like, who gives a? She was stealing from like your grandma. And that's pretty rough. So I don't know. I know, like everybody like, haha, Jen shy. Like it's literally not funny. Like, not to be a narc, but like, she literally stole from your grandma and like, ruined several people's lives. Like the disabled, the elderly. Like, it's actually what she did. Because I know when. When people commit financial crimes, we're like, well, you know, it's victimless crime, whatever. Or like tax evasion. Celebrities like Teresa Judice, like, who gives a. Make the situation, rob the government. You're not gonna see me caring. But Jen shows like, somebody who committed a financial crime, like, actually really hurt people and vulnerable people. So I don't, like, I don't see the memes that I'm like, haha. I'm like, you're literally a criminal, bitch. Like, bye.

[Jackie Oshry]

So do you think that they'll have her back on the show when she gets out?

[Claudia Oshry]

Horse? Yeah, Bravo doesn't give a fudge.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, no, they don't have like actual scruples when it comes to like, morally bankrupt individual. Plus, the precedent is there. Teresa came back on the show after serving time. And I think for Bravo, it's like, well, you did the crime, you served your time. Why are we gonna miss out on entertainment value?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And it's actually been very interesting to see the show go on without Jenshawn, really prosper without her. Whereas, like, the show for real houses in New Jersey was like, very much in this terrible state of limbo until Teresa got back. Like, they had these turn. The twins and Amber Marquezi, like, that was some of the darkest times without her.

[Jackie Oshry]

They waited for her.

[Claudia Oshry]

There was one season without her, I'm pretty sure twins.

[Jackie Oshry]

They waited for her, though. Like, I. I know what you're talking about. That season, it feels like she wasn't there. But then I remember reading like, she was in prison for a year and they waited.

[Claudia Oshry]

No way. Okay, hold on. Teresa, by the way, you're 100, right? She never missed a season.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. So maybe she was laying low for one reason or another that season with the twins, but she was there.

[Claudia Oshry]

So Amber Mercasi was on season six.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

And so was Tree. Wait, that's so crazy that I don't remember it that way. I remember there being like, dire stuff.

[Jackie Oshry]

You thought that she was there because Tree wasn't and the twins were there to fill trees void.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because they literally started filming when she came home from prison, like, that night. Cameras up.

[Claudia Oshry]

So the real houses in New Jersey focused on Teresa, Melissa and Dina. Dina returned after originally leaving the series in season two. And former cast members Jacqueline Laurita and Kathy Wakilia, period. Kathy Wakili appeared periodically throughout the season, but they were replaced, as was Caroline Manzo, by Teresa Amber Marcase and Nicole Napolitano. Like those three turn housewives. Oh, man, that's like, so interesting. I always thought that they were the way I like, I remember it. Mandela effect is like, no. They literally, like, we're trying to hold it down without tree and couldn't get arrested.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, that's so funny. Oh, my God. Okay, never mind. Well, what I mean is that Real Housewives of Salt Lake City is having a banner year. People are obsessed with it. And I actually found when Jen was on and, like, actively being arrested, actively being investigated by the FBI, some of the worst TV I've ever seen in my life when it should have been Nanny Feek. It was literally. They were handed. They were literally all handed careers because of that. Like, it was the things that dreams are made of for a reality star. And the fact that they were all, like, fighting over dumb things that had nothing to do with Jen. I'm like, are you guys dumb? Like, what's going on? So the fact that, like, not a lot of time is gonna pass between it felt like when even when Jen came back to the show would have been like six, seven, eight years that, like, the stories between them, like, whatever. But now it's like, all still kind of fresh. They're all, like, always still, like, actively talking about and being asked about Jen. I'm sure she reads about it in prison. Like, she will have a laundry list of things to talk to Heather Gay about like that. And I don't really want to go back there, honestly.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, it's not like we're watching currently.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I heard it's so good.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I have heard really good things. But I guess she will be back whenever she comes out. But she's kind of like one of these people who's just like a agent of chaos, where I think, like, she just wanted to make, like, the best, craziest, interesting tv, but it didn't make sense. And I don't like that. Like, I don't mind someone being like a super villain when they're consistent, but she would just, like, say things just to, like, disrupt a dinner. And it's like, this is not grounded in anything.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, she wasn't grounded to any person even in particular. She had, like, one friend that she wouldn't turn on people like that who, like, seriously, just for the sake of entertaining, just try and comfort everyone and everything and say everything. It's actually, like, not fun to watch because, like, we're supposed to be believing that this is a group of friends who have, like, actual ties to one another. And when she was so untethered, just, like, coming for everyone, I was like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, that's not my favorite. I know. It's, like, crazy and, like, pops off, but, like, it just doesn't. It's not. Doesn't make sense to me, you know?

[Claudia Oshry]

And there's no continuity, and that's what I found, like, frustrating. It's like. Well, literally three minutes ago, you were saying the nastiest things, but now you're crying that this is your best friend. That's confusing.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I like when I can see, like, clear alliances and, like, who's actually friends.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Because this is always supposed to be about, like, a group of women who are friends. And now we've gone to a point where it's such a job that, like, dude, they're all virtual strangers until they meet.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, but.

[Claudia Oshry]

And when they're not filming, they don't hang.

[Jackie Oshry]

It hits harder when it's, like, friendships and there's history, even if the drama isn't good. That's like Beverly Hills. It's just two friends who are kind of, like, like, ships passing right now, and, like, they're missing each other, but because the friendship, like, runs so deep, it's what makes it interesting.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Now would be the time where for you to share whatever thing you had to say about the ending of Juror number two.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, my God. So, no, not the ending, necessarily, but just the whole movie. Like, I had such a pit for this guy. Like, could there be a worse feeling in the world than, like, having killed someone and, like, facing, like, accidentally like, you didn't do it on purpose.

[Claudia Oshry]

You weren't drinking.

[Jackie Oshry]

You, like, realize that you've killed someone. Like, you have to go to jail. Like, now.

[Claudia Oshry]

I thought that at the end, when they were showing us, like, flashback scenes, I thought they were gonna make it so that he actually, like, wasn't guilty. No, wasn't guilty. Because they were like, they're showing him driving, and the other. The boyfriend driving, and the boyfriend turns around, and I was like, wait, that would have been actually really good if they liked. With us. And then he's. But he still thinks that he did it, and he looks so guilty that he ends up going to prison for a crime he didn't commit. Like, I thought that would have been, like, a little bit more interesting. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Or it's like, maybe someone hit her first, and then he did hit a deer, and it just happened to be, like, right After. But that would have let us off the hook too much. Like, morally, we wouldn't have to, like, deal with this really hard question of, like, does this person who is a. What was a drug dealer who has done, like, he is a criminal who's going to jail for something that he didn't do. Does Nicholas Holt deserve to go to jail when he has a. A baby at home and he's an otherwise good person, like.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like an upstanding citizen? Yeah. Yeah. It's also interesting. I've never been a part of a jury, and I can only imagine what goes on in those rooms, like, for real. And there definitely are people who, like, don't care, who just want to get back to work. Like, the lady was a bus driver. Like, I felt her. Like, seriously not my problem. Like, I have kids, I have a job. Like, I gotta go. And there are a lot of dynamics at play. So I felt like it was like. Like getting behind the scenes. And it wasn't a real jury room. But I'm sure a lot of them go down like that, where some people are just, like, so stubborn. Some people are, like, so weak. Like, one person says something, they're like, yeah. And then. Oh, actually, you know. Yeah. Like, I think it's such an interesting, like, dynamic of humanity that I thought they did a good job showing those, like, jury scenes too, because it was like, God, people are such losers.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And it really is, like, one person. It's worth a conversation.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right, Right. But that's also the crazy thing about a jury. It's like, there can't even be one. It's not majority rules. Like, it's not 12 to 1. It's 11 to 1. It's 12 to 0.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. And then if one person won't budge, it's a hung jury.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

He should have let it be a hung jury, though.

[Claudia Oshry]

No.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because if it's a hung jury, he'll get tried again.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Like, they can go back and reinvestigate. That's what his lawyer was saying. Like, getting this guy guilty, like, helps you personally.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Unless him opening his big fat mouth in the jury room and being like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, unless they could get a not guilty verdict. Because that's like Casey Anthony. Right. She was not guilty. But they didn't go back out and try and find the person who did it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. There wasn't any evidence, like, of anybody else. That's the thing.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, it was clearly Casey.

[Jackie Oshry]

But if he could have gotten not guilty and not had put the prosecutors onto the idea that it was Someone else that. Yeah, they would have moved on. So that would have been ideal. But then when it was clear, list.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of cars was then added to the file. Like. Yeah, there was mounting evidence. Like for, like if you, a new investigator sat down and looked like they would have said, maybe it's all this guy, maybe it could be someone else.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, it was definitely a good movie. Like it made you think me, Ben, like we're talking about it a lot afterwards. Like, what do you think is right? It really poses like ethical dilemma that there, there is no right answer to like that boyfriend was like a woman beating drug dealer. Like, bye.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, but prison for life. He didn't, he didn't do that.

[Claudia Oshry]

He didn't do that thing. Yeah, I, I don't know. I didn't really care. Like.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, no. And it's like, it's just a shame because this Nicholas Holt has really changed his whole life and like one right. Accident.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

You know, because I think if, if under regular circumstances, say he hadn't had that prior DUI and like this history, and if he had come forward and said, oh my gosh, like I thought it was a deer, blah, blah, like he would have, there would have been consequences. No, but it's also about intent in the moment.

[Claudia Oshry]

If he knew he hit this girl and killed her and called the police and they showed up and they're like, oh, there's a inebriated woman walking in the rain in the dark on a curvy road. This guy takes a breathalyzer. He's not drunk. Like, they probably wouldn't have pressed charges. So the crime itself, like really wasn't a crime.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's. That's what they always say. It's the crime, not the COVID up.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, but. And even if you came, even if he cover upward a year later and was like, oh my gosh, I think this was me, I thought I hit a deer. The issue is that he had ordered a drink at the bar. They can't prove that he didn't drink it. They know he's an alcoholic formerly and that he's had a DUI in the past. So it, it lines up to be something else where because they couldn't recognize.

[Claudia Oshry]

Him, the movie was kind of brilliantly done. Like they, they put it it, they made this situation like impossible.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, it's an impossible situation.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I enjoyed it. I thought Zoe Deutsch was great.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Toni Collette, queen in her shoes. Like, it was good.

[Jackie Oshry]

J.K. simmons.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. That was a challenge. Everybody was star studded it was star studded Clinton. Francesca.

[Jackie Oshry]

Francesca. And the boyfriend. What's he in? He was familiar.

[Claudia Oshry]

I never saw him before. He looks like he was from an episode of svu. Like a character actor.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, no, I've seen him in something. Let me find out what and then we can. And to be fair, Gabriel, there's no.

[Claudia Oshry]

Update on Matt James. So just like letting everyone know.

[Jackie Oshry]

Hillbilly Elegy. Yeah, he played J.D. vance in Hillbilly Elegy.

[Claudia Oshry]

What? Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Older J.D.

[Claudia Oshry]

That'S so funny.

[Jackie Oshry]

Didn't you see that?

[Claudia Oshry]

I did see that movie, but I. By the way, nothing new for my James. No, but I did not recognize him in the slightest.

[Jackie Oshry]

I recognized him and that is so funny. And then also he was in one of my favorite movies. Barely Lethal, starring Hailee Seinfeld and Dove Cameron, of course.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course.

[Jackie Oshry]

And Sophie Turner. Don't sleep on that one.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's funny. That's our show.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think that's it. Tomorrow shall be a Cosdale celebree.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, thank God. Like we needed this.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. So we bid you.

[Claudia Oshry]

I do.

[Jackie Oshry]

I want to see that movie night with Amy Adams.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, do it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Just reminded me because Amy Adams was in Hillbilly Elegy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Maybe you don't want to see it. Hold on.

[Claudia Oshry]

Why? Something bad happened.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think it's just like not the sort of thing you would want to watch pregnant. I don't know why.

[Claudia Oshry]

I feel like it's just like a. Like a inside look and how. How hard it is to be a stay at home mom. Is that not it?

[Jackie Oshry]

It's also like a horror. An artist, really. An artist who pauses her career to be a stay at home mom, seeks a new chapter in her life and encounters just that when her nightly routine takes a surreal turn and her maternal instincts begin to manifest in canine form.

[Claudia Oshry]

Wait, what? She heard's a dog?

[Jackie Oshry]

Her maternal instincts manifest in canine form.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, it's not at all like what. How the movie was marketed towards me on Tick Tock. Like I saw it as like this powerful film. Like it.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's championing mothers magical realism. What?

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God. Never mind.

[Jackie Oshry]

That reminds me of that show on Netflix with Drew Barrymore where they would eat people. The Santa Clarity Diet.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. All right, you guys, that's our show. Thank you so much for listening to the Toast and Millennium morning show where we deliver the fastest stories you need to know every Monday through Friday. YouTube. So you're watching us on YouTube. Please feel free to subscribe because video thumbs up are also available as podcast and our pockets can be found Spotify Tune Teacher Public Radio Cast Sports all the Place podcast Find out such leave a five star view and a beautiful town.

[Jackie Oshry]

Dude we are love you bye.