Meghan Markle, Meghan Sparkle: Friday, October 24th, 2025

Summary

The Toast – "Meghan Markle, Meghan Sparkle: Friday, October 24th, 2025"

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry (Dear Media)
Date: October 24, 2025
Episode Theme:
This lively pre-maternity leave episode sees Jackie & Claudia ("Jax & Claude") at their swirliest—diving into pop culture, motherhood, TV recaps, and a major "Love Is Blind" spoiler. The chemistry is classic "original recipe" Toast as they discuss the fast 5 stories, notable life updates, and the Kardashian universe, all with their signature candor and humor.

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Main Themes

• Jackie's last episode before maternity leave
• Motherhood, pregnancy, and podcasting challenges
• Fast 5 News Stories (Love Is Blind, Susan Boyle, NBA Gambling, Jelly Roll, Kardashians)
• In-depth Kardashian episode recap
• Queenie & Weenie of the Week

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Opening Segment: Maternity Leave, Podcast Dynamics, and Motherhood Realness

[00:35–07:22]

• Jackie's impending maternity leave:
  • Claudia assures listeners the show will go on with friends and family filling in (“the next two weeks of maternity leave are not booked because we’re in flux”—[01:35]).
  • Jackie reflects on how unpredictable birth timing is, and Claudia compares her own C-section experience (“knowing exactly who, what, when, where, why, how is so underrated, especially for work”—[02:24]).
• The unique ‘Toaster’ dynamic:
  • Both hosts agree the show is best with just them (“I know there’s nothing like just Jack and Claude, original recipe”—[01:20]).
  • Claudia jokes about not wanting to podcast with anyone else (“No offense to everyone. I’m posting zero”—[01:17]).
• Motherhood and physical struggles:
  • Jackie details struggles with SPD (Symphysis Pubis Dysfunction), noting listener support and how much pain it brings.
  • Claudia and Jackie talk sleeping struggles during late pregnancy and the challenges of early mornings in their profession.
• Home birth, hospital birth:
  • Discussion of birth plans, hospital sleep woes, home birth risks (“to me, that makes it not even remotely worth it”—[05:17]).
  • Both hosts reaffirm they’re not “home birth curious,” even with its perks.

Memorable Quote:
"I love to toast, the hard thing is, is like the waking up part because sleep is so fitful for me. It takes so long to fall asleep, stay asleep. By 7am I'm like finally feeling lighter and I'm cozy." — Jackie [03:01]

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Content Era & Personal Routines

[07:22–10:23]

• Media binges:
  • Both are enthusiastic about the new season of "Nobody Wants This" (“I’m just in my content era”—Michelle [09:27]).
  • Discussion of other TV obsessions, especially the Kardashians ("Literally the best show ever made. It was 60 minutes of just giggles.”—Michelle [07:32]).
• Parenthood changes everything:
  • Claudia shares how her routines changed after becoming a parent (once used to “lay in bed all day”, now only gets under the covers at bedtime).
  • Mention of performing comedy and body image ("I was just like, actually, at this point, I'm like the same weight, but I used to, like, not want to share because I was so much skinnier."—Michelle [10:12]).

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Fast 5 Stories

([15:56]–[64:38])
(Timestamps reflect the start of each story; ad breaks removed for clarity)

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1. "Love is Blind" Season 9 Shocker: Sparkle Megan's Mystery Baby

[15:56–24:38]

• Major spoiler alert:
  • Sparkle Megan was seen with a "mystery man" and a baby after the season ended.
  • The timeline suggests she broke up with Jordan, met someone else a few months later, and now has a child.
  • Jackie and Claudia theorize on the baby’s age, the man’s identity, and what it means for the show’s “authenticity” narrative.
• Gossip & Reaction:
  • Reflect on how Netflix failed to keep the secret (“It’s a real shame Netflix couldn’t keep this under wraps, because if we all found out, we would have freaked”—Michelle [18:22]).
  • Jackie argues this revelation supports the idea that Megan participated in the show "earnestly," seeking love and family.

Notable Quotes:

• “It being Sparkle is huge. And Jackie and I were talking about this offline, and it does really support her theory from yesterday that, like, Meghan really did go into this experiment earnestly…” – Michelle [18:44]
• "Go Sparkle. I love this for her. Team Spark. I've been rooting for Sparkle and she, like, you know, she talked the talk and she's walking the walk." – Jackie [22:05]

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2. Susan Boyle’s ‘Snatched’ Red Carpet Transformation

[24:51–29:19]

• Transformation buzz:
  • Susan Boyle debuts a chic blonde bob, stuns fans, and is praised for her new look (“She looks so cute. She has bangs and a bob and it's like a blonde bob. She's royalty.”—Michelle [25:27]).
  • Hosts reminisce about Boyle’s original, viral “Britain’s Got Talent” audition and how the narrative around her was “kind of mean.”
  • Spirited playback of Susan’s original audition and singing along.
• Nostalgia & body positivity:
  • Discussion of how initial perceptions overshadowed Boyle’s talent, and how her “normal” looks were treated as shocking.

Memorable Moment:

• Jackie and Michelle watch Susan Boyle’s audition, giving themselves chills, and lovingly dub her “Susie B., bees for Bob” [29:11].

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3. Jelly Roll’s Admission: Cheating Scandal and Marital Growth

[29:19–33:43]

• Jelly Roll’s confessions:
  • Musician Jelly Roll opens up about cheating on wife Bunny on another podcast, marking a period of repair and growth.
  • Hosts draw parallels to other podcasting couples, discuss public accountability, and the nature of rebuilding trust.
  • Jelly Roll’s explanation: bad influences, substance abuse, and “you sleep with the dogs, you get fleas” [32:17].
• Hosts’ take:
  • Praise for Jelly Roll’s accountability and the concept of personal growth from mistakes.
  • Joking asides about the phrasing (“It sounds a little gay… No, it doesn’t. No, I’m kidding.”—Michelle [32:36]).

Quote:

• “I can’t endorse him cheating… but, like, accountability, check. Growth. The growth appears to be there.”—Michelle [31:56]

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4. NBA Gambling Scandal: Mafia Ties and Game Rigging

[33:43–44:24]

• Overview:
  • News breaks of NBA player Terry Rozier and coach Chauncey Billups being indicted as part of a federal investigation into insider sports betting, rigged games, and connections to major NYC “mafia families.”
• Why it matters:
  • “This is going to be a big documentary.” (Jackie [34:10])
• Hosts try to comprehend:
  • Both admit confusion over the details (“I don’t really get it”—Jackie & Michelle recurring).
  • Eventually clarify that “tanking” games and insider information for gambling are key issues.

Memorable Quote:

• “We need the people who did McMillions to do a documentary on this, to explain it in a swirly fashion.”—Michelle [43:34]

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5. Kardashians Recap: Sex, Sisterhood, and Realness

[45:27–64:38]

This segment is a full, detailed recap of the latest "Kardashians" episode, breaking down:

• Khloe’s headline: she hasn’t had sex in three years
• Each sister's plotline, with emphasis on authenticity, motherhood, sibling relationships, and their business dynamics
• Kim's emotional state and priorities:
  • Discusses her work/life balance, missing family time for work, and her breaking of silence (somewhat) on Kanye.
  • “You literally don’t have to be Claudia… Like, leave.” (Michelle [49:04])
• Chloe’s approach to motherhood and work:
  • The hosts are vocally on "team Chloe," admiring her balance between work and home.
• Kourtney’s natural aging & stance on cosmetic enhancements:
  • Her refusal of Botox/fillers is noted, and the show’s new transparency is praised.
• “Ass talk” & transparency:
  • Hosts highlight Kardashians’ finally being open about enhancements.
• Kendall, Kylie, and Scott:
  • Kendall’s quirky horse arrival
  • Kylie “gives us nothing but looks gorgeous”—Michelle [64:10]
  • Scott’s subplot about moving to New York and co-parenting concerns

Favorite Quotes:

• "Chloe, like, just everything about Chloe... she's always been the most normal one—even in terms of, like, the style of her home. Like, it's a home you want to live in." — Jackie [51:04]
• "She doesn't look like the rest of them because she is aging somewhat naturally. Like, she looks a little bit older than Kris. And I really respect it." — Michelle [53:33]

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Queenie & Weenie of the Week

[64:19–67:32]

• Queenie:
  • Susan Boyle for her iconic transformation and overall "queenie" energy. (“My Queenie is … Susan Boyle. Everything about her is Queenie, like, in nature.” — Jackie [64:38])
  • Honorable mention: New York City at Christmas
• Weenie:
  • Ben Simmons' sister, Olivia: “From the moment she opened her mouth on TikTok this week, it was weenie behavior. From the minute she opened her mouth, a weenie popped out.” — Michelle [66:06]
  • Honorable mention: Selena Gomez

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Notable/Recurring Quotes & Running Jokes

• “Go Sparkle. It’s your Birthday.” (Chant/song for Sparkle Megan, [23:08])
• “We need the people who did McMillions to do a documentary on this”—recurring theme for making complicated scandals accessible ([43:34])
• “Kylie, give us literally nothing.”—their succinct summary for the youngest Jenner’s on-screen presence ([56:48])
• “Farmer needs a wife.” (Running joke regarding Scott Disick’s need for a reboot and a stable family life, [59:57])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Jackie’s Maternity/Podcasting: 00:35–07:22
• Content Era & Bed Rest: 07:22–10:23
• Fast 5 Story 1 (Love Is Blind): 15:56–24:38
• Fast 5 Story 2 (Susan Boyle): 24:51–29:19
• Fast 5 Story 3 (Jelly Roll): 29:19–33:43
• Fast 5 Story 4 (NBA Gambling): 33:43–44:24
• Fast 5 Story 5 (Kardashians Recap): 45:27–64:38
• Queenie & Weenie: 64:19–67:32

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, witty, self-effacing, full of in-jokes
• Pop cultural references intermixed with heartfelt personal anecdotes
• Both hosts draw frequent connections between pop news and their own lives.

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For Listeners Short on Time

• Jump straight to [15:56] for Love Is Blind spoilers and analysis.
• Kardashians fans: The review and family dynamic discussion starts at [45:27].
• Susan Boyle’s red carpet moment and nostalgia at [24:51].

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Summary Takeaway:
This episode offers a quintessential "Toast" mix: personal updates, superb reality TV analysis, pop culture news, and classic Jackie & Claudia chemistry. From real talk about pregnancy and podcasting to loving (and critical) dissections of celeb transformations and scandals, this is a meaty, swirly episode perfect for fans who want all the context, humor, and affectionate side commentary.

Transcript

[Michelle]

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[Jackie]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

[Michelle]

It's your favorite show.

[Jackie]

The Fast 5 things you need to know.

[Michelle]

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.

[Jackie]

I sound amazing.

[Michelle]

Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Friday. Yay. Last day of Jackie before Jackie's maternity leave. Nay Boo, stay with us. We want you. Don't go.

[Jackie]

Maybe I'll be back.

[Michelle]

Because the thing is, is like I've got plans. Like, I'm really doing. I'm so. I. I'm not worried. Like, you guys are gonna love the content. I my desire to podcast with anyone but you. No offense to everyone. I'm. I'm posting zero.

[Jackie]

I know there's nothing like just Jackson Claude, original recipe. Today is my last day and I'm looking forward to, you know, taking off. And I mean, I'm. Who knows what that will look like even for me. But you never know. I could, I could pop in.

[Michelle]

I would love that. And I do want everyone to know, like, the next two weeks of maternity leave are not booked because we're in flux right the latter half of November and December, like, we're slaying. We have so many great people. But the next two weeks, I don't know when Jackie's gonna give birth. I would like to come down and see you. I might be in Florida, so I haven't really booked people in the next two weeks. So it's going to be like a lot of friends and family, like, you know, Ben Safra, Margot Taylor, Shreker energy, which is great. But just know I've got like the big guns after Jackie. Like, I don't know, not to take your birth about me, but like, if you could figure it out, that would really help me.

[Jackie]

I know you were like yelling at me yesterday to tell you when I'm going to go and I gave you like a, an an educated guess. So let's see if I'm right.

[Michelle]

You could do.

[Jackie]

Let's see if I'm right on my guess. But it's really crazy. I guess this happens like every time where you just really don't know. There's like a four week span, a five week span where it really could be any day.

[Michelle]

Yeah. I didn't have that experience because I did have a scheduled C section, which, low key. There's a lot of things about my birth journey that like, I didn't love. But knowing exactly who, what, when, where, why, how is so underrated, especially for work. Like, I stopped working on Friday, I missed the toast Monday, Tuesday, and I gave birth on Wednesday.

[Jackie]

Yeah. In the past I've slayed both times. And so like, let's see how this shakes out. If I'm like here twiddling my thumbs in two weeks being like, I could have been working. Yeah, we'll see.

[Michelle]

Well, just know if you wake up and you're like, I want a toast. Like, I will kick off whoever.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Michelle]

Because it's gonna be bad. Like.

[Jackie]

Yeah. The part like, the thing is, I love to toast, the hard thing is, is like the waking up part because sleep is so fitful for me. It takes so long to fall asleep, stay asleep. By 7am I'm like finally feeling like, lighter and I'm cozy.

[Michelle]

Right. Like, you're back into REM at 7am that's exactly what I experienced too. Like the night is so hard, by the time it's morning, you've finally fallen asleep.

[Jackie]

Right. So like that's when I want to sleep and that's when I have to get up to work. So that's why it's hard. But like sitting here talking my swirly, actually it has been painful. Also, SPD visibility. I've got a lot of outreach and love from people who have suffered from spd and I just really feel so seen that, like, okay, you guys know what I'm going through.

[Michelle]

Yesterday was kind of SPT visibility day. Like everyone was talking about it.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I feel like a lot of us, well, not, not a lot, a handful of us have been like suffering. And it's funny because when you go to the doctor, you like, talk to a friend. You're like, I'm pregnant and I'm in pain. And they're like, well, of course you are.

[Michelle]

You're pregnant.

[Jackie]

You're pregnant. And like nobody is worried. Like, it's not that anyone takes you seriously, but like, yeah, being pregnant is painful and uncomfortable and you have, oh, you have pain in your vagina because you're pregnant. Welcome to pregnancy. No. So it's like. But there's a threshold, and I'm glad that all of us who are experiencing it, like, we see each other. Someone wrote in a comment that, like, they were talking to a midwife who had worked with a woman who had done a bunch of, like, home births. No epidural, no pain. And in one of her pregnancies, she had spd. She said, it's more painful than giving birth.

[Michelle]

So you're in a great spot. It sounds like I am. You've been training for this moment. You shouldn't even be afraid of birth.

[Jackie]

No, but I actually, you know me, I'm like, I'm always going to get the epidural, but I'm definitely natural.

[Michelle]

I was saying to Ben, I'm like, Jackie's so close.

[Jackie]

I'm natural birth curious. I'm home birth curious. I'll never go. I'll never do it. But I. I have so much respect for it. I'm very interested in it. But in this situation, I need an epidural for my spd.

[Michelle]

So I actually ended up on a home birth talk. And I'm not home birth curious at all. I just cannot stress that enough. And while when I think of home birth, I think of, like, it being, you know, like, weird and painful and, like, unnecessary, but I didn't even think about. And I ended up on, like, a really sad part of it that, like, there are casualties. Like, sometimes you're like, you need the hospital or whatever. And, like, to me, that makes it not even remotely worth it. Like, the risk of not needing a hospital and not being near one. So, like, I actually. I'm going to encourage you not to.

[Jackie]

No, no, you don't have to. I'm not having a home birth, but I'm. I'm very. My ears perk up. When someone's talking about a home birth.

[Michelle]

They need to come out with a fusion of birth where you give birth at a hospital and they let you go home that day because, like, the sleeping in the hospital is so horrible.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

My friend just gave birth and I was FaceTiming her and she gave birth at the exact hospital that I did. We were, like, talking about, like, she was showing me her room and I swear I actually had ptsd. Like, I always say, the best day of my life was literally not the day Ruby was born, it was two days later when I got to lay in my bed with Ruby.

[Jackie]

Right. But when you do a home birth, just saying one of the perks for sure.

[Michelle]

Not worth it.

[Jackie]

Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying. Anyways, I just need that epidural for my SPD is what I'm saying.

[Michelle]

You're so close. We are gonna miss you so dear. And again, if you want to start doing, like, the Evening Thirst, we'll work around you because, like, like I said, I have stellar A list talent coming, and I'm so excited, but it's not the same.

[Jackie]

Nothing like a little Jackson Claude.

[Michelle]

This doesn't feel like going to work. Like, this is just so fun and. Yeah, like, it's going to be work.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I'm going to work. But you know what? You'll be creating conversation. You'll really be like the elk of a podcast or that's how I felt on your maternity leave. Like, we're creating conversation. We're having dialog.

[Michelle]

We're renting studio space.

[Jackie]

We're open and hearts.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Which is fun, purposeful work.

[Michelle]

It's so important that, like, we constantly be creating purposeful content.

[Jackie]

I mean, it is. We do, thankfully, like, we have so much purpose in our pinky fingers. It's not something that we struggle with, but it's hard. Like, I feel like when you don't feel like you have purpose, that could be a hard place to be.

[Michelle]

That must be how the good guys feel. We've got a great show today. Jackie and I both watched the new episode of the Kardashians. Literally the best show ever made. I. I was. I don't know how long it was. It was 60 minutes of just giggles. Like, I was just enjoying every minute of it. We have Fast5. We have Queenie and Weenie. So much to look forward to. I also started the new season of Nobody Wants this. I'm just, like, so in my content era. Got logged out of the Netflix household again last night.

[Jackie]

Oh, me too. What episode did you get up to? And nobody wants this. I think I watched two of them.

[Michelle]

I got up to the part where Tova Feldshire, who plays the mom, says, and I have Caesars. Did you see that?

[Jackie]

Yeah. Yeah. That's the last thing I saw, too.

[Michelle]

I was cracking up. Ben was dying.

[Jackie]

I love her. Me too. That's an.

[Michelle]

Actually a great casting.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I can't get over how much they are the sisters. The. I know.

[Michelle]

Oh, wait, by the way, especially this.

[Jackie]

Season, Morgan, the hair.

[Michelle]

So Sarah Foster.

[Jackie]

And she's like, that's.

[Michelle]

It's really. It's uncanny.

[Jackie]

It's uncanny.

[Michelle]

I was noticing it more this season than ever. I feel like last season, I was just so excited about the show. I forgot that they were supposed to be Sarah and Aaron. I was like, it's just loosely, loosely, loosely based. No, it's actually like a. An adaptation, if you will.

[Jackie]

It's literally copy and paste. The only differences are that her husband's not a rabbi. He's just a Jew. Sarah, at least, like, previously was in a relationship, so, like, she wasn't.

[Michelle]

And she, like, has kids.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So she wasn't, like, single. Talking to Sasha.

[Michelle]

Oh, yeah. I don't, like, I'm. I'm. I. What's his. Jonah. What's his name?

[Jackie]

Sasha in the show.

[Michelle]

Yeah. Like, I want him and his wife to work it out.

[Jackie]

Yeah. No, they're the right for each other. Like, even though, you know she's a naggy wife. To a T. She's his naggy wife.

[Michelle]

I just want to say I understand her most. Like, on the show. I feel like I see myself most in her.

[Jackie]

Yeah, No, I like her. I know she's, like, not super likable, but she's real.

[Michelle]

She's so real.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

So I'm just in my content era.

[Jackie]

Me too. I've been watching so much TV as I've put myself on bed rest for the latter half of the day.

[Michelle]

I, too, have put myself on bed rest. It's actually so not true. The thing I, like, thought about parenthood before I was a parent, and it actually has been so true. Everything I thought I knew, you know, I'm like, I'm not going to use pacifiers. Like, oh, yeah, sure. The one thing that I thought before motherhood that is 1000% sure is like, you do not get into bed until it's time for bed.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

I used to lay in bed all day. Now I don't even get under the covers until 8pm it's insane.

[Jackie]

No, you get out of bed and then you. That was in your special.

[Michelle]

Yeah, that was in my comedy session. Like, it was a joke. It's one. A thousand percent factual.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

I need to reshare that clip. It needs to make the rounds.

[Jackie]

You should, like, share clips from your special.

[Michelle]

I was just like, actually, at this point, I'm like the same weight, but I used to, like, not want to share because I was so much skinnier.

[Jackie]

Oh, that's good. Then that now you feel like you should share.

[Michelle]

Yeah, that's great.

[Jackie]

Okay, well, let's get into all the things that we need to do today in the fast size stories that you do need to know and the fast.

[Michelle]

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[Jackie]

I like the foundation concealer stick.

[Michelle]

Cool.

[Jackie]

Our first story. So I don't really know how to handle this, but I'm just gonna make an executive decision because it's A major spoiler. But everyone is talking about it.

[Michelle]

Oh, I know.

[Jackie]

And the thing is, it spoils the end of Love is Blind season nine in some way. And then it will, like, kind of spoil the reunion. But, like, now that we're all caught up and we know what happens with every couple, this isn't as much of a spoiler as it was a few days ago.

[Michelle]

Yeah, and I do. So we'll put it in the timestamps. If you're watching Love is Blind and you don't want its world and you've somehow managed to dodge it, like, thanks to everyone in the comments, ruining it for me.

[Jackie]

Yesterday, a few days, it was, like, in the sun and not, you know, not everyone. But now it's like, on the front page of Page Six. It's. There's nothing covering anything and, like, the headline, it could mean a million different things. So it's not even, like a confirmed spoiler because we don't even know exactly what it means.

[Michelle]

So if you're looking to not know.

[Jackie]

Anything about what's happened to the timestamps to the Love Is Blind cast in the past year, if you don't want to know anything, skip to the next story. But this is what everyone's talking about. Love is Blind. Star Sparkle Megan was spotted with a mystery man and a baby after shocking finale. So Love is Blind. Star Sparkle Megan was spotted with a mystery man and a newborn baby after the Netflix show Shocking finale. According to photos obtained by Page Six, an unidentified man who was carrying an infant was seen going in and out of the Reality Stars Denver home on October 19th and 20th.

[Michelle]

Wait, wait, wait. She had the baby already?

[Jackie]

Yeah, there is a baby.

[Michelle]

I thought she was pregnant.

[Jackie]

No, there's a baby. Whose baby? We don't know. How old is the baby? It's looking like maybe.

[Michelle]

Wait, I want to see these pictures.

[Jackie]

Hold on. Go to page six.

[Michelle]

Maybe she has a male nanny and it's Jordan's baby.

[Jackie]

Three, four, five months baby. Oh, every month counts, you know.

[Michelle]

Oh, I see, I see. Oh, how old is that baby looks? I mean, she looks great. She doesn't look like she recently gave.

[Jackie]

Birth, but, you know, she could have snapped back surrogate. A lot of things could be happening here. And that's why, like, this isn't really a spoiler because we need to know more. But it seems as though Sparkle Meghan has a baby. And in the preview for the reunion, like, they only showed, like, one question. And it was like Nick asking, you know, Jordan made you feel like you had said that you didn't know if you were ready to be a mom. Do you still feel that way? I think she is a mom today.

[Michelle]

That's insane. And you know what? It's a real shame Netflix couldn't keep this under wraps, because if we all found out, like, we would have freaked.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And people, like, are freaking. And I had heard, like, first I heard the spoiler that, like, someone from Love is buying the season, has a baby, and. And it's not with their Love is Blind partner. And I'm like, well, unless it's with another cast member, like, I don't really care.

[Michelle]

It being Sparkle is huge. And Jackie and I were talking about this offline, and it does really support her theory from yesterday that, like, Megan really did go into this experiment earnestly. Like, she's at a time in her life where she's eager to commit, and her ending up now with a new man and a baby, like, it's just proof of that. And I agree with you. And I never thought that she wasn't competing earnestly. I just think that, like, she could have tried harder to make it work with Jordan.

[Jackie]

But, like, by the end, where she. They sort of, like, package her out is like, oh, maybe I'm not going to be a mom, and I'm just going to play tennis and golf and, like, stick to my hobbies. Clearly, that's not what happened.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So when we were talking yesterday, I did know that she was the one who was rumored to have a baby. So I'm like, okay, that definitely plays into account here. Also, it reminds me, I said this to you of Lindsay Hubbard, where it's like, oh, I'm getting like, we're engaged. Oh, we're not engaged. Moving on. Baby gonna be a mom.

[Michelle]

Yeah. No, it's a good comparison. I'm really happy for her. I feel like I lead the Jordan and Sparkle rekindling club, and we've officially closed shop. Like, it's not happening. And I feel like this is gonna be crushing for Jordan to hear, but I also wonder how he found out. If he found out with everyone at the reunion or. She must have told him before or.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Or maybe everyone knew if she was pregnant. Like, if she was seeing her friends from the show. Like, people might have known.

[Michelle]

Okay. But, like, when was, like, so typically.

[Jackie]

It'S about a year out.

[Michelle]

When was Love is Blind? Most recent season in Denver filmed.

[Jackie]

Yeah, we do need to know. Every month counts here.

[Michelle]

Right? Right.

[Jackie]

Every month of the baby's age. Right. Who's this guy?

[Michelle]

Oh, the Age old question.

[Jackie]

Who the fuck is this guy?

[Michelle]

Chat has really not been working.

[Jackie]

I. I feel like you don't ask Chat. Honestly, like, this is a question for, like, Reddit, literally.

[Michelle]

Okay.

[Jackie]

It is blind season nine.

[Michelle]

Okay. Thank you. Spring 2024. Okay. I need to know, like, a little bit.

[Jackie]

Like, okay, so that's like a year and a half.

[Michelle]

Casting began in March 2023, with POD.

[Jackie]

Dates taking place around March 2024.

[Michelle]

February and March. Okay.

[Jackie]

Okay. This gives us time.

[Michelle]

Do the math for me. Okay. I don't get it.

[Jackie]

So if they started in March, say her. Her and Jordan broke up in May, June, roughly.

[Michelle]

Huh.

[Jackie]

This baby, like. And say this baby's three months. Four months. Let's say four months. So she met someone like, three months after and she got pregnant, like, three. Three.

[Michelle]

It's so Lindsay Hub.

[Jackie]

Three. Three to six months after breaking up with Jordan.

[Michelle]

It kind of feels like then it wasn't planned.

[Jackie]

Unless this is an ex.

[Michelle]

Right. I like that.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

This is so crazy. And this is the best possible promo they could have had for the reunion.

[Jackie]

Cuz, like, for this season that was.

[Michelle]

Otherwise, when nobody gets married, it's like, well, what do we need a reunion for? But no, we need a reunion. I'm watching lives.

[Jackie]

My baby.

[Michelle]

Yeah. Go Sparkle.

[Jackie]

Go Sparkle. I love this for her. I Team Spark. I've been rooting for Sparkle and she, like, you know, she talked the talk and she's walking the walk.

[Michelle]

That's true. It's nice to see somebody who went on the show.

[Jackie]

It's like her niece, literally.

[Michelle]

Even though that Page Six article said that this man is basically living at her house, he comes in and out of.

[Jackie]

Seems to be living in her home. Has been out all hours of the day. She was not pictured with the man she was spotted running errands, visiting a local hospital, going grocery shopping. Oh, how fun for her that they're following her for all of this.

[Michelle]

Okay. Like, slay. Also Sparkle getting papped.

[Jackie]

I'm sure she didn't think that or.

[Michelle]

Else they would have tried. Like, the idea that A Love is Blind. Maybe season one. But the idea that A Love is Blind star would get paparazzi is so inconceivable that they never even thought, like, to cover the kid's face or hide the kid, like. Or hide the guy. He's outside in the front yard. In the pictures, he's talking to the neighbors.

[Jackie]

Someone must have tipped them off.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Maybe Netflix themselves to, like, drum up.

[Michelle]

Sorry. It worked.

[Jackie]

It worked. Go Sparkle. Go Sparkle.

[Michelle]

It's your Birthday. Go Sparkle.

[Jackie]

But, yeah, like, we need answers and we need them now.

[Michelle]

Yeah. I don't know when the reunion comes out, but it needs to be coming out now.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Zach's gonna flip.

[Michelle]

Yeah. Oh, that must be such a joy, like, to be someone who's not chronically online, who just watches a show that they, like.

[Jackie]

I don't know.

[Michelle]

Zach's, like, really always sending me stuff on Instagram. He actually might stumble onto this piece of information. But if he doesn't, like, please record his reaction.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah. I don't know where. I think when after we watched the finale, I was like, have you seen any spoilers?

[Michelle]

And he said no.

[Jackie]

I think he's like, yeah, no. What?

[Michelle]

He doesn't, like, know what a spoiler is? Yes. Like, I just. I honestly, like, what do you mean.

[Jackie]

The show is over? What spoilers would there be?

[Michelle]

Like, it's out. Okay. Please record his reaction.

[Jackie]

Okay, I will. So stay tuned. Major, major news in the sparkle sphere.

[Michelle]

In the sparkle sphere, which Jackie's like, the mayor of.

[Jackie]

I didn't see that for myself when I met her because I was like, the most. Sparkle Megan.

[Michelle]

I was like, this is so stupid.

[Jackie]

Sparkle Megan.

[Michelle]

Megan.

[Jackie]

I need Josh Pack to just, like, record a video for me of him saying Megan like that so I can use it all the time so I can be on the show on our soundboard. Like, we need a Sparkle Megan.

[Michelle]

It's actually an amazing idea.

[Jackie]

There's so we're always talking about some Megan.

[Michelle]

Meghan Markle.

[Jackie]

Meghan Sparky. Meghan Sparkle.

[Michelle]

Oh, has anyone put that together? Meghan Markle. Meghan Sparkle title.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Some major transformation news. Britain's Gone Town star Susan Boyle. Stunts fans has a bob with an unrecognizable look.

[Michelle]

This is a story.

[Jackie]

Susan Boyle has shocked fans with her new do. It's not just that she has a new do, but she's, like, snatched herself all the way up.

[Michelle]

Let me look at the picture. Hold on.

[Jackie]

While making a rare red carpet appearance in London, the singer slapped out with a blonde bob and blunt bangs while she attended the Pride of Britain Awards at the Grubs Never Gruzener House Hotel on Monday. Yeah, like, Susan Boyle snatched. What about it?

[Michelle]

She looks so cute.

[Jackie]

So cute.

[Michelle]

She has bangs and a bob and it's like a blonde bob. She's royalty. Like, she's British royalty. I don't know if she's been knighted by, like, Buckingham palace yet, but she absolutely should be.

[Jackie]

Dame Susan Boyle.

[Michelle]

And the crazy thing about Susan Boyle. Like, if we now look back at it, the reason why she went like so viral was like kind of mean, sort of. I think she had this amazing voice and it's like, yeah, that's why she went on Britain's Got Talent. It's like she was so. They were like. And she's ugly.

[Jackie]

Like, no, she was so, so unassuming looking. Like, it wasn't just that her hair.

[Michelle]

Was like a little unkempt.

[Jackie]

Like the voice, like, really did. Didn't matter. Like, she just like her whole energy, it's not just like an. I don't even want to use the word.

[Michelle]

No.

[Jackie]

And.

[Michelle]

But that's what they made it seem like at the time. They were like, she has a beautiful voice but an ugly face. And it's like she's so normal looking.

[Jackie]

But it's like everybody who watched the clip, like, it was the literal, most viral clip of all time. Like it was before.

[Michelle]

Everything's viral now, you know, everything. But like, it was. I mean, it happened in Britain. Like, it was cross continental. It was global. It was the biggest video ever.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like, and for a reason. Not just because we're like, yeah, no.

[Michelle]

No, everything goes viral now.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It was just really shocking because also she was very unassuming in her, like, presentation. And then she had not just a good voice, like the voice of an angel. And she's singing that song that, like.

[Michelle]

I dreamed a dream.

[Jackie]

She's like, it's like Andrea Bocelli in like this little woman's body. Like, it was shocking.

[Michelle]

And there are dreams I never dream, honestly.

[Jackie]

I want to watch it.

[Michelle]

Should we play it?

[Jackie]

Yeah, but can I play it so I could watch my queen?

[Michelle]

No, I want to watch Susan Boyle audition. Well, do we want her audition or like, then her big performance at the end?

[Jackie]

No, the audition.

[Michelle]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Oh, man.

[Michelle]

It's like before TV was like high quality. Oh, and they're all making faces.

[Jackie]

Chills.

[Michelle]

You didn't expect that, did you? Did you? No. This song is so good.

[Jackie]

I love her.

[Michelle]

Yeah, you kind of are. Susan Boyle.

[Jackie]

She's like.

[Michelle]

She's so pat and like her last name being boiling.

[Jackie]

Well, that was for you.

[Michelle]

That was unfortunate.

[Jackie]

She's so Patmore. It would be like if Mrs. Patmore tried out for Britain's Got Talent.

[Michelle]

And has there ever been like a sit down podcast, full length interview with Susan and her Boyle?

[Jackie]

I feel like, yeah, she makes the rounds. Susan Boyle podcast.

[Michelle]

And there are dreams that never die. That song is solely Michelle singing with her fake mom, Idina Menzel.

[Jackie]

Maybe not. We need.

[Michelle]

I had a dream my life would be.

[Jackie]

We need to add her to dream.

[Michelle]

Different from this hell I'm living So many now and what it seems. Did you say we need to add her to our eligible bachelor's list to dream guests? Yeah. Like that.

[Jackie]

I would love that.

[Michelle]

Yeah, you would love it.

[Jackie]

So shout out Susie.

[Michelle]

Susie B. Suzy B. Susie B. Bees for Bob.

[Jackie]

Looking good.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Saying the house down.

[Michelle]

Boots are saying now it's down.

[Jackie]

Boyle. Our next story is some more Jelly Roll news. I don't know, like, why he's decided to pop off this week, but Jelly Roll confesses to cheating on his wife Bonnie, Exo. During the worst moment of his life.

[Michelle]

So her name is Bunny.

[Jackie]

Her name is Bunny. Wait, hold up. It does say Bunny.

[Michelle]

Ah. I was like, wait, he was married before he cheated on Bonnie, but not on Bunny?

[Jackie]

Yeah, no, that did say Bunny. I imagined the top half of the U.

[Michelle]

That's okay. And unfortunately, this is, like, not a slay.

[Jackie]

No, but this is really crazy. So he opened up about his affair on Tuesday's episode of the Human School podcast.

[Michelle]

And to make news on someone else's podcast when his wife has a podcast is even more egregious than the affair.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that's actually really crazy. Like, this is classic, like, podcasting couple, you know, like, Jenna Kramer and that turn. But maybe that's why, like, this is. Why are you laughing?

[Michelle]

I just like that I would joke in my head that I'll share with you later.

[Jackie]

But maybe that's why, like, this is, like, healthy, you know, because they're not, like, duking it out on her podcast.

[Michelle]

Right, right. Like, for clicks.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Did I send you a clip of a couple duking it out on a podcast yesterday? I saw one. I don't know if I sent it.

[Michelle]

Who was the couple?

[Jackie]

I don't want to say. They're a really nice couple, but it was just like. Like.

[Michelle]

Was it me and Ben?

[Jackie]

No, it was just because, like, yeah, I don't want. They're really nice.

[Michelle]

Where are you sending this to me?

[Jackie]

I'm just texting you the name. It was just, like, too much, too personal, I felt.

[Michelle]

Oh, interesting.

[Jackie]

Anyways, Jelly Roll cheated on his wife back in the day. He said, I don't talk about this publicly at all, but one of the worst moments of my adulthood was when I had an affair on my wife. He said, the repair has been special, and we're stronger than we could have ever been. His transgressions occurred while he was spending time with people who were A bad influence. He said, I was hanging around a bunch of people that were cheating on their wives when I was doing cocaine. I was hanging around a bunch of people that were doing cocaine. When I was drinking a lot, I was hanging around a lot of people that were drinking a lot. He said, I used to be proud of long standing friendships just because they had a number attached to them. Horrible humans. But I would just be proud to say that dude's been with me for 12 years. I understand. He said I wanted to.

[Michelle]

I'm like, I. I'm like, loving all the points he's making.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

Like, I. I can't. Like, I can't endorse.

[Jackie]

No, no. I don't endorse him cheating on his wife. But like, accountability, check.

[Michelle]

Growth. The growth appears to be there.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I think this is a, like, a wonderful story of how you can come back from something like this.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But also, if you have to change your entire life. And I like, you sleep with the dogs, you get fleas.

[Michelle]

So true. So who did he sleep with? Like, it was. It did. He says you go into detail.

[Jackie]

It's not here if he did.

[Michelle]

And also, it sounds like the way he worded it. Like, you can say, like, I cheated on my wife or I had an affair. So, like, affair makes it seem like it was more than once.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And that, like, he was it with guys who were doing this.

[Michelle]

She's addressed it sounds a little gay. Like.

[Jackie]

No, it doesn't.

[Michelle]

No, I'm kidding. It's just like, oh, we were all getting together. I'm like, right. Each other. Right.

[Jackie]

She's touched on it a little bit, but, like, she doesn't talk about it too much.

[Michelle]

I didn't know any of this, but.

[Jackie]

It'S like a known part of their story that he's opening up about.

[Michelle]

That's good. I mean, I guess, like, if it, like, you can only talk about it openly if you are, like, truly healed.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

Like, damn. That's kind of the. Kind of the first, like, non P job. Actually. That's not true. Like, Jelly Roll literally went to jail for aggravated or drug dealing, armed robbery.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

So I guess that's not PJ behavior either.

[Jackie]

Yeah. No. I think, like, the P job nature of Jelly Roll is, like, in his.

[Michelle]

In his growth.

[Jackie]

Yeah. In spite of all his past, his mistakes.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

He has emerged a P job.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

It's in the growth. Yeah. Precious growth.

[Michelle]

Precious growth of a man.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our fourth story?

[Michelle]

Yeah. I'm feeling so giggly today.

[Jackie]

You are.

[Michelle]

I'm gonna miss you so much. Like, please don't go just like podcast through Bird.

[Jackie]

Maybe I should just like stop being so funny.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Okay. Well, this next story is really big news. I don't fully understand it, but I do feel the need to talk about it.

[Michelle]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Classic. Have you heard about this gambling scandal in the NBA?

[Michelle]

Not only if I heard about it, my husband won't stop talking.

[Jackie]

So maybe you know something about it. Because I just know that like a documentary is going to come out about this and it's going to be like the biggest thing and I'm going to be like, where was I that day? Why didn't we talk about it? So here I go, attempting to talk about it. Are you ready? Hornets guard Terry Rozier was indicted as part of investigation into insider sports betting. A separate investigation into what law enforcement described as mafia organized rigged poker games led to charges for trailblazers coach Chauncey Billups. So two prominent NBA figures were arrested on Thursday in a nationwide federal investigation.

[Michelle]

Is a coach.

[Jackie]

One's a coach, one's a player. And I think like other people were arrested who are retired players.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But literally, don't take anything I'm saying as truth because I don't understand. A federal investigation into internal gambling and high scam poker, especially sitting coach and former Finals most valuable player, have roiled the league from players to front offices to agents. Sources told NBC. The arrests altered the tenor of this week's conversations around the NBA, whose new season had only started two days earlier. As we discussed NBC, NBC, it's the home opener. So yeah, there's a big gambling scandal in the NBA and it's connected to.

[Michelle]

The Gambino crime family. Right. Like, that's what makes it so crazy. Or did I make that part up?

[Jackie]

I feel like I know if it's connected or akin to. Do you know what I mean?

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Like, I feel like. Cuz I keep reading that it was.

[Michelle]

It's just. No, I'm right. I'm right, I'm right.

[Jackie]

Okay. Yeah. So like what were they doing?

[Michelle]

Gambino, Bonanno, Genovesi and Lucchesi Meet the Mafia families in the NBA scandal.

[Jackie]

So what were they doing? Betting. Like this is. Were people throwing games, illegal sports betting.

[Michelle]

And rigged poker games? I don't really get it.

[Jackie]

I don't really get it. I. It would be crazy if, like, here's.

[Michelle]

What the FBI director said. The fraud is mindboggling. It's not hundreds of dollars, it's not thousands of dollars. It's not tens of Thousands. It's not even millions of dollars. We're talking about tens of millions of dollars in fraud and theft and robbery across. Across a multi year investigation.

[Jackie]

From poker.

[Michelle]

Behind the headlines. Here's what we know about so called New York Mafia families that have been quietly involved in international sports betting operations and other crimes in recent decades despite a dedicated justice department and FBI campaign to eradicate them. I really don't get it.

[Jackie]

I don't get it either. It sounds like a really big deal.

[Michelle]

Yeah, I don't like know these NBA players, so I don't really care. And you know what?

[Jackie]

I have an idea and a coach. Ask Chad to sum it up.

[Michelle]

Can you explain to me the NBA gambling scandal that happened this week in terms I can understand?

[Jackie]

In terms for a dumb.

[Michelle]

I know Chad is pissing me off, like literally not generating. Hello, Chat, are you there? Okay, now he's working on an answer for me. Okay. In the meantime, I guess we can move on.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I guess we can. Are we gonna come back to it though? Because I don't want to like get excited about moving on and then have to come back.

[Michelle]

Maybe I should like move to the next ad break while chat searches the web.

[Jackie]

Okay, so ad break, chat update, fifth and final story.

[Michelle]

Queenie and Weenie.

[Jackie]

Perfection.

[Michelle]

Today's like messed up latter half is brought to you by Saks. Thank you, Saks Fifth Avenue, for sponsoring today's episode.

[Jackie]

Classic up the joint.

[Michelle]

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[Jackie]

I read an interesting paragraph in this.

[Michelle]

Okay, go. What? Because my network connection was lost. Chat sucks. Is chat down?

[Jackie]

Co conspirator 8 is accused of giving betters inside information about a Trailblazers game in March 2023 when Billups, who was one of the people who was arrested, was their head coach. He is alleged to have told another defendant in the case that Portland would be tanking the game and that several of the team's players would be held out without INJ with injuries. Other defendants in the case so tanking games and then betting on them like that I can wrap my head around. That's really bad.

[Michelle]

Yeah. By the way, chapter is down.

[Jackie]

Like do the players know?

[Michelle]

Definitely not. And it's like, a crazy thing to, like, risk your personal. Like, you worked hard enough to get to the NBA. You're the head coach of an NBA team. It's a job a million girls would dream of. And, like, you could be paid off. And, like, you ruin your entire career, your entire legacy. Like, you're just a joke now across. And also, you're going to jail.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

It's kind of like when they rigged the World Series, which. That saga, I would actually love a documentary on or a movie. I'm sure there is one. Like, please drop it in the comments because that was low key. So crazy. Like, we learned about that in school.

[Jackie]

When they rigged that monop. That McDonald's Monopoly game.

[Michelle]

That was a great McMillions. Is that what the documentary was called? That was a great documentary.

[Jackie]

Yeah. We need the people who did McMillions to do a documentary on this to explain it in a swirly fashion.

[Michelle]

And I was just having this conversation because I heard about a crazy thing back in the day with Tylenol. There was, like, this big, like, national news saga where, like, a couple of people in a small suburb of Chicago died, and they realized they all had taken Tylenol bought at the same, like, pharmacy, and somebody at, like, Tylenol was, like, pulling cyanide. And, like, they never figured out who it was. The government got involved. Like, it was so insane.

[Jackie]

I never even heard there was cyanide in the Tylenol.

[Michelle]

Yeah, I never heard about. And it was only in this one suburb of Chicago. It wasn't, like, nationwide, but of course it was a nationwide story. Like, how was cyanide getting into the homes of Americans? They never figured it out. I would love a documentary on that, too. The McMillions people need to get to work.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So much corruption, Turdi.

[Michelle]

I mean, that's kind of why we do what we do. Speaking of purpose.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But you know who, like, stays on top of it and they don't get their flowers.

[Michelle]

Let me think.

[Jackie]

Who stays on top of corruption and doesn't get their flowers?

[Michelle]

Us.

[Jackie]

Well, yes. We say it's off of everything, and we don't get our.

[Michelle]

Who?

[Jackie]

American greed. They have an episode about everything, and they will have an episode about this before HBO razzle dazzles. They turn that around.

[Michelle]

Yeah, I love that.

[Jackie]

No story too big or too small. Yeah, they're gonna let you know about the farmer who was swindled by some.

[Michelle]

Not the farmer who was. Farmer wants a.

[Jackie]

Like, really crazy stories I've never seen.

[Michelle]

Farmer wants a wife. I just Feel like we talk about it all the time. We need to watch it.

[Jackie]

I feel like we would like it. I see clips sometimes and I'm like, this looks entertaining.

[Michelle]

I hear Bruno's trying to escape.

[Jackie]

Yeah, he is. Mommy can't get up.

[Michelle]

Bruno, so it looks like you're staying.

[Jackie]

For the fifth and final story, which is going to lead into our TV recap. Headline news from the Kardashians. Khloe Kardashian hasn't had sex in three years.

[Michelle]

She says there were so many headline moments. This was such a great episode. I just love these gals. I don't know, I feel like they went through an era. It was on both this show and the E show where the show felt like something they just had to do. And they. We used to literally just watch them scroll on their phones and then they like B plots of, like, pranks, and it was so stupid. But I feel as though in the last two years they've really stepped their up. And I'm not even in, like, my Kardashian obsessed era right now. And I thought it was the best TV I'd ever seen. I was crap. First of all, that Barry being dead thing, I texted Simon, I said me and Ben could not stop laughing. It was so funny. And it was clearly something that they were gonna cut out if they thought he was dead. Yeah, but the fact that he's alive and not him calling Chloe fat, that was such a crazy story.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it was, but it was the 80s.

[Michelle]

It was the 80s.

[Jackie]

And I love that she was, like, not even offend. Like, of course she's, like, offended, but, like, just. Just like that's what you said back then.

[Michelle]

She's healed. That like that era.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

And then the storyline. There were so many great storylines. Every gal had their own thing. Let's just go through the gals. How about that?

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Michelle]

Kim finally, like, really opening up probably the most she ever has about Kanye and, like, how difficult it's been while also filming El Spare. Honestly, all Spare looks really good.

[Jackie]

Not to me. But I do wonder, like, why Kim now is like, sort of taking the lid off of all kinds of. She also went on call her daddy and it's seems like with the express purpose of, like, that's the thing I'm going to open up about.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Is Kanye stuff. I didn't get a chance to watch it, but, like, based on what I've seen from headlines, it goes what she.

[Michelle]

Said in the episode, like, the most.

[Jackie]

Like, buzzworthy moments, like, were about Kanye things. So a decision has been made that, like, we're talking about it now.

[Michelle]

So I think what she kind of hinted at on the episode is that she's talking about it because she used to not talk about it so that the kids wouldn't see it. But I think the kids are like a little bit aware now, especially the older ones. And so, like, she protected them as long as she could.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Michelle]

That was the vibe that I got.

[Jackie]

Okay. Yeah. I. I just feel like everything's very intentional. So I, like, there's a reason we're talking about it now.

[Michelle]

Yeah. And I'm down by the way I've been ready for her to talk about it. At first I respected her and then I got annoyed.

[Jackie]

But we also, like, she talks about it, but she doesn't like, really talk specific. Like, what are we like? Because when you're like saying Kanye's doing his, like one of his things, I'm like, when he's being a Nazi, like, is that what we're talking about? Are we talking about when he. Or like sweets. Yeah. Like, there's so many different things. And I'm sure she's talking about all of it, but like.

[Michelle]

Yeah, specifically.

[Jackie]

And also, like, of all those things, like, sometimes he like, goes after her family. And I think that's. Those are the worst ones. Like, where does, like the Nazism rank in terms of frustrating things? She does.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

You know, so I feel like we are talking about it without actually really talking about it, which is a good strategy. But it was also like, no one expects for her to talk about it.

[Michelle]

Yeah, no, we're like, the time for that was over and you made a decision and, you know, we respected it. Yeah.

[Jackie]

And I understand it completely. I understand it completely. Like, it makes more sense than if you did talk about it because you have four. Like, duh. So I don't know why now are we talking about it in very vague terms while, you know, acting as if we have opened the floodgates.

[Michelle]

When she was in her trailer and she was talking about it and then she's FaceTime with Chloe and clearly all the kids are sleeping at Chloe's house because she's like working really late and she's like getting teary eyed. On FaceTime, I was like, you literally don't have to be Claudia.

[Jackie]

I thought the same thing. When they zoomed out on that set and she's like in the middle of Hollywood where her kids are like, having a fun sleeper. She's like, I wish I was there. I'm like, go be you. Don't have to do. Don't do this. No.

[Michelle]

And, like, of all the things that Kim does, like, the law really, like, serves a purpose. I think it really fulfills her. Her businesses are what sustained this whole empire. Filming the show, this scripted show, like, is the most unnecessary thing Kim's ever done. And, like, the fact that you're watching her, like, miss this time with her kids and she's so upset about it, I'm like, you don't have to be here. Like, leave.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I, I, that's exactly how I felt watching her in the trailer.

[Michelle]

I'm like, miss family dinner because she had scenes but they got postponed.

[Jackie]

Like, yeah, no, I'm just like, why are you there? Why are you, like, choosing to be there? You are a billionaire. Your life is your own. You have so many businesses. You could focus on other things that, like, don't need as much of yourself and your time. And, like, this is the where you're putting your eggs. I don't understand of being a billionaire. I don't understand it.

[Michelle]

I thought that was, and I mean.

[Jackie]

Now that she signed up for the show, like, yeah, you have to miss shit because you have to do your scenes. But, like, I don't understand why this is a priority. And we felt that way last season. And that does, like, take away from, like, you know, under, like, being like, in a Kim era, because I'm like, yeah, I'm not.

[Michelle]

Yeah, I think I'm definitely in my Chloe era. Chloe's really a blend of Kim, who, like, is the mom, and works works, but, like, works works. Courtney has forsaken all work. And, like, her going to that Lemmy event was, like, a big deal. It's like your company. And she's just my mom. My mom. And Chloe, I feel like she does a good amount of work. She fills her cup work wise, but she's at home as much as she wants it, as much as she can. And I feel like she really makes the best use of being like, like the privilege of choosing to work as much as you want.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Michelle]

I'm so Chloe. Like, I just love Chloe.

[Jackie]

I love Chloe. I love what she wore to the dinner. I thought she looked so beautiful.

[Michelle]

Oh, my God, she looked, like, insane.

[Jackie]

Like, I just loved that pink dress. I love, like, like, I love her style too, in general, where it's like, Kim is always, like, doing the most. Yeah, Courtney's doing the least.

[Michelle]

Like, doing the least.

[Jackie]

Chloe, like, just everything about Chloe, she's always been, like, the most, like, normal one, even in terms of, like, the style of her home. Like, it's a home you want to live in. It's beautiful. Like, it's just party. Like, it's not like, avant garde. It's a museum.

[Michelle]

Right.

[Jackie]

You know, I just. I love her taste.

[Michelle]

Me too. And I love her take on everything. It's clear that, like, the Courtney Kim thing is, like, kind of over. I feel like they both have just come to a place where, like, it's never going to be great. But they've, like, put. They've set aside their differences in a sense, but it's not, like, radioactive anymore. But now Chloe and Courtney are getting. Which is so crazy because when you think about we've been watching Kardashians since season one. Like, we've been obsessed with their dynamics. Like, and the dynamic was always that Courtney and Khloe were leaving out Kim, and now it's Kim and Chloe leaving out.

[Jackie]

For the last, like, five years, it's Kim and Chloe. But it seems like this season, Chloe sort of like beefing with everyone. But also it seems like the sisters are just, like, not super close at the moment, which always makes me sad. But last season, Chloe and Kim actually have been beefing a lot. Kim gives her a lot of grief about, like, not leaving the gates and always being with the kids. And then they go on a trip and she's always FaceTiming her kids and it's like, it's. It's really unnecessary.

[Michelle]

Agreed. Because I feel like Chloe, at least from, like, the way I see it, like, does it really. Well, I think inspirational.

[Jackie]

They were real fights too. Like, I don't know. I don't think you watched last season or all of it.

[Michelle]

No, I did. You.

[Jackie]

So you saw when they went, like, to the mountains.

[Michelle]

Oh, India.

[Jackie]

No, that was what. That was good times. They. When they went to some, like, Aspen trip, they took like a girl trip for two nights and, like, Chloe was like, on the phone FaceTiming.

[Michelle]

True. Yeah.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And like, Kim was getting mad at her setting that, like, every time she goes to a party, she's like, FaceTiming her kids. Like, weak.

[Michelle]

Yeah. Now week, the lemme event was so funny. Like, I was seriously cracking up. And very nice of Chloe to go.

[Jackie]

Yeah, she's a real one. She's a supportive and she likes to work.

[Michelle]

So supportive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Courtney is. You know what? I was. I was texting Jackie because I feel like Courtney lives that non talks life. Right. She said. But you know what? I feel like she really walks the walk and talks to talk because for the first time ever, I feel like she's the only one who's actually almost.

[Jackie]

Looks her age because she's not having Botox. She's.

[Michelle]

That's not. That's not clean. You know, Botox and filler. It's probably, like, the most toxic thing.

[Jackie]

That she literally called her life.

[Michelle]

And I think. Right. She has said that, like, she's committed to not doing it. And I feel like she really looks like a mom her age. She looks great.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

But she. She doesn't look like the rest of them because she is aging somewhat naturally. Like, she looks a little bit older than Chris. Chris looks great, and I really respect it. Oh, let's talk about them finally. Like, leaning in and talking about the facelift of it all and how the facelift was at the same time as the fires. That was really crazy. And they're, like, evacuating mj. I love that they're leaning in. You know, Kylie made news a couple of months ago talking about her boob job, and I love it.

[Jackie]

Let's talk about why. Let's talk about the butts.

[Michelle]

Oh, thank you. Oh, my God. I didn't realize. Let's talk about the bots. Yes. But two. It's like, well, everyone's doing it now. You know, like, they didn't. Like, I. It would have been really revolutionary if they had done it years ago because they've always been like. Whenever everyone's talking about, like, the standard of beauty, like, they get always, like, thrown in there. It would have been very powerful. I'm glad that they're doing it now and, like, yeah, let's talk about the ass. But it would have been, like, kind of major if they did it a couple of years ago. I loved that Miranda Priestley thing. Like, it was kind of weird and random, but it was the production quality.

[Jackie]

It was so good. It was, like, fun.

[Michelle]

It was, like, the best thing.

[Jackie]

It's, like, a fun project for the.

[Michelle]

Office to work on, one that. And, you know, like, the girls in the office were having the best time of their lives. Chris did an amazing job.

[Jackie]

Who?

[Michelle]

Chris?

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah.

[Michelle]

I love Chris. I'm sorry. I feel like now, as a mom, I relate more to Chris ever. Like, Heather was making fun of her for crying. Like, no, Chris is, like, terminally postpartum. Like, she's. No, not terminally. Eternally postpartum. How? Like, you look at your baby when you're postpartum and you just cry.

[Jackie]

Except what she was talking about when they lived in El Dorado House, and, like, she was just, like, not paying attention to anything or anyone.

[Michelle]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was like. That was Chris's, like, sort of, like, crazy era.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I loved El Dorado House.

[Michelle]

I loved that.

[Jackie]

I know that was a good house with good juju.

[Michelle]

And the weird thing is they all have these, like, memories from the house. And even just seeing them currently filming, like, in the kitchen and with the fridge behind them, like, that's such a classic scene. But I also felt like I've been through so much in that house. You know what I mean? Like, I just watched so many seasons of that show.

[Jackie]

It's crazy. Crazy that Kim moved in there with her baby Kanye. Like, that they didn't get a rental house, that they moved into her mom's house and they lived there for years.

[Michelle]

I wish they talked about how the show used a different house from the outside, because that house is so gorgeous. And I didn't realize they, like, still used it. Like, they had a party. There was a True's birthday party. They were, like, flashing back. They use it. It's. It's kind of brilliant. Them selling it does feel like a recession indicator. And when the producer was like, why are you selling it? Chris was like, for cash. And I feel like they should have held on to it. It's such a gorgeous house. They were like. Kid was like, the black and white force are so ugly.

[Jackie]

I love it. Yeah. It's a moment in time. It is a little dated, which is crazy and, like, scary to think about that, like, every 10 years, a house is ugly now.

[Michelle]

I know, right? Kendall's, like, so funny and quirky and different. Like, the fact that she showed up on her horse, like, that was the best part of the episod. It was so different and funny and cool and I love.

[Jackie]

I never saw someone jump on the horse before.

[Michelle]

It was. It was the coolest, most different, unique, nerdy thing I've ever seen. And like, yes. Kylie give us literally nothing.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

Kylie must not cash a check from the show. It's actually unfair if she does.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And we're. Were her kids even at the dinner. I didn't.

[Michelle]

Was she Jackie? Was she even mic'd up?

[Jackie]

I don't know.

[Michelle]

Rob gave us more.

[Jackie]

Rob.

[Michelle]

Rob. Oh, my God, we need Rob. Like, I feel like they're getting to a place where Rob. I mean, Caitlyn obsessed, like, yes, bring everyone.

[Jackie]

We need Caitlyn. The thing about Rob, like, I, like, love Rob because he's Rob, but, like, I don't miss him, and I just want what's Best for him. And, like, I'm not. Like, he doesn't. If he ever, like, is just wanting to be on the show, like, come one, come all. But, like.

[Michelle]

Chloe was like, I know you guys are dying to have him back. I'm actually not. I love it, but I do what I want, what's best for Rob's self.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So, like, he has to, like, really want to come back. And then I'll be like, great. Like, that would be fun. Caitlyn. Give me more Caitlyn.

[Michelle]

Not the hocus.

[Jackie]

She's so fucking funny.

[Michelle]

She's so fucking funny. And I really need her and Chris to reconcile. I know. It's so weird for Chris. Like, I know, and I fully. I get it. I need her to put her differences aside because the two of them, like, shooting scenes, like, that's gonna make this show the best show on tv.

[Jackie]

I completely agree. And when Chris was like, there's someone who should be here. We knew Caitlin was coming this season, but, like, I didn't realize in this context, like, first this was Caitlyn's house. Like, Caitlyn was, you know, for lack of a better term, the man of the house. Like, yeah. That they can say goodbye to the house without Caitlyn.

[Michelle]

A thousand percent. Also very interesting episode, like, when Chloe went over to Scott's house and Scott shared how he wants to move to Newark. I'm like, okay, this is like a subplot that's never gonna happen. And he was gonna take Mason with him. And then I got to thinking, like, does Mason live with Scott?

[Jackie]

It sounds like that. That was very interesting and very curious. It made me sad for Scott because I understand why he would want to leave California at this point, but he kind of can't because, like, his family is in.

[Michelle]

I know. And Scott is from New York. His parents lived there, but they are both deceased. So, like, I don't think it would be good for him to move to a place with no family.

[Jackie]

I think he has friends, like, long standing, like, childhood friends. And I think he just, like, loves New York. But, like, his kids are in California. Even if Mason went with him, like, he still has two other kids. I just. No, you can't. But, like, that made me sad that he's, like, stuck there in a place where he's like, why do I live here?

[Michelle]

Well, maybe he doesn't need to live in. Live in Hidden Hills, per se.

[Jackie]

But does it get any better than Hidden Hills?

[Michelle]

No.

[Jackie]

Where is he trying to go? I don't know, but it's like, his girlfriend.

[Michelle]

A thousand percent.

[Jackie]

He needs a wife and, like, someone who can make a home for him and, like. And maybe even have more kids. Like, more kids. Like, he needs family.

[Michelle]

He needs a Jewish wife. Like, a beautiful Jewish wife to make a beautiful Jewish home with lots of Shalom Bay.

[Jackie]

Like, he does.

[Michelle]

Yeah. Because he does feel like he's kind of stuck in this place where he can hang out with the Kardashians are his family, but he really can't. Like, he should have been at that dinner, but he didn't. He wasn't invited, obviously, because, like, I don't think anywhere Courtney is, like, he's not gonna be. So he hangs out with Chloe. I think he hangs out with Chris and sometimes hangs out with Kim, and he films, and I think he, like, makes a nice paycheck from that, but it's, like, not enough. He's like, he's a part of a family sometimes.

[Jackie]

He needs a wife. He needs.

[Michelle]

Farmer needs a wife.

[Jackie]

Like, someone I like a nice Jewish girl, like, in her 30s. Like, like, that's what he needs.

[Michelle]

Oh, and honorable mention.

[Jackie]

They could have more kids.

[Michelle]

Yeah. And Scott seems like a really great dad. Like, he loves being a dad.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

He slowed down his life. He doesn't, like, party so much anymore. His life really lends itself to, like, family and kids.

[Jackie]

If anyone, like, knows Scott, like, set him up with someone like Hamish. Please.

[Michelle]

Please. Like, someone really just nice and normal.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And also, like, beautiful and, you know, cool. Because he. Those things are important to him. But, like, also. Hey, Michelle.

[Michelle]

Wife, Honorable mention. When they were doing the Julia Fox thing, which was interesting to see, like, how that went down. Like, Kim obviously doesn't care, but Courtney called Kim to ask if they could use Julia Fox, and she was like, oh, we're doing Let me play. Which is like, a libido gummy. And Kim, as a joke, was like, oh, you're gonna have mom and Corey be in the campaign. And let me tell you, that would have been such a better campaign. Like, that Julia Fox thing was a flash in the pan. Like, I don't even remember it. It wasn't, like, like, memorable at all. That would have been hilarious.

[Jackie]

The Julia Fox thing was so weird to me. Like, why were they acting like Julia Fox is the only person who could be the face of this campaign? Like, as if she's, like, the face of libidos and the biggest name. Like. Like, not that they shouldn't have had her because of the association, but it's like, why are they. Like, we have to Like.

[Michelle]

Like, her name could have been thrown in, but it wasn't, like, the end all.

[Jackie]

Be all like, that. We have to get Julia.

[Michelle]

No, you have to get Chris and Corey.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And when we. She did the campaign, we wondered if, like, Kim was there.

[Michelle]

Was.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

It's just so. So random.

[Michelle]

Yeah. And I would have liked to see Chris and Corey. Like, Kim's such a businesswoman. Like, even her joke idea was amazing.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

I loved it.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

I just thought. I thought it was. Maybe I'm being dramatic. Like, I thought it was such a good episode. I was enjoying it. I never wanted it to end.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It was definitely more akin to the good old days. But it's also because of, like, the. The premise of the house.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Because a lot of this stuff for the upcoming season, like, it was packaged very, like, titillating.

[Michelle]

But it's not. Things I'm, like, dying to know.

[Jackie]

Right.

[Michelle]

I just find, like, the actual details of their dynamics of their businesses, like, I find that really interesting.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But it really feels like they're less close than ever. It just feels like a bunch of strangers. And that's why now when they insult each other, it's like, you actually. I actually can't say that because you don't know me like, that.

[Michelle]

It's so true. And it's almost like when housewives pick up cameras, and you could tell that, like, none of them are friends with each other and they haven't seen each other on the break. Like, it's so boring. Like, we want real friends. It kind of feels like they now only see each other when they film.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But it's like, they used to be able. They used to always, like, barb with each other and, like, sameing stuff. They would literally, like, slap each other, but they're so close that it's like, that's sisterly. But now when you don't.

[Michelle]

When Chris and Courtney slapped each other, like, that was real most recently.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But, like, now when Courtney's, like, saying something insulting to her sister, it's like.

[Michelle]

Okay, like, the outfit thing.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

Like, we get it. I actually love that for you. Like, yeah, you shouldn't have to wear heels anymore. Like, you've worked hard enough in your life. You've worn enough heels. I actually. I was with her 100% until she was like. And my sisters. It's like, okay, well, let everyone do their own thing. Like, don't be judgmental and rude. And she's just the type of person is, like, not to be judgmental. But then she, like, Says something judgmental.

[Jackie]

But it's like, here's a perfect example. When they went to Japan and Kim was like, you look like clowns. And, like, she was, like, making fun of their outfits, which is exactly what Courtney just did. But at that time, they were, like, close. They're on a trip together. Like, we can just, like, talk shit to one another because we also have the love, like, to balance it out.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Here you just sound mean being a bitch. Yeah.

[Michelle]

Yeah. She sounded so mean. Even though Kim looked nuts at that dinner. She did. How is that comfortable? Like, and I know that they're. They're at family dinner, but they're also filming. So I understand being in full glam. I understand not wearing pajamas like you would to your family's dinner, but a corset, capris and wedges, like, that was insane.

[Jackie]

Yeah. It's not even about, like, comfortable, because I don't think she ever expects to be comfortable. But it's like, it also, like, wasn't appropriate cute or appropriate, like, the vibe, like, for backyard. Like, let's, like, just for the occasion. Chloe looked amazing.

[Michelle]

So did Kylie. Like, I just really wanted more Kylie. She looked so great. She'd even talk.

[Jackie]

I know.

[Michelle]

Whatever. Give us nothing.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that was fun.

[Michelle]

It was really fun. Let's dive into our final segment of the week, which is Queenie and Weenie of the Week, where Jackie and I like to take a look back at the week, perhaps at a glance, and deliver two awards, Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week, where we're diving out two awards, Queen of the Week, and we need the week. Just like, it's pretty obvious. I really don't want to explain it again, but, like, I always find myself in this trap where I have to explain it. Yeah, please, Queenie, let us know.

[Jackie]

My Queenie is the last minute edition. She's an eternal Queenie. And I don't think she's ever actually been Queenie of the Week on this show. And everything, everything about her is Queenie, like, in nature. And that is Susan Boyle.

[Michelle]

Oh, I thought you were gonna say Bridget.

[Jackie]

Oh, she's always a Queenie. Was that your Queenie?

[Michelle]

No, she was an honorable mention, but I forgot this has kind of been a crazy week. You know, I've been through a lot this week. You know, mere seven days ago, I was returning home from my trip to la. So in that spirit. And not seven, five. Oh, my God. In that spirit, I'm making the great city of New York my Queenie. Let me just tell you New York at Christmas. What a sight. Oh, it's so pargy in New York. It's crisp. I'm like, I'm a little cold when I leave the house. We're going on walks. The leaves, like, it's such a party time. And it took me leaving and go into that shithole to appreciate what I have. And let me just use this also as a reminder to let everyone know the New York City mayoral race is coming up. And it's kind of like a futile effort, but, like, I'm literally begging you not to vote for Zoran Mamdani. Like, I know you're going to, and I know, like, he's going to win, but, like, I just want to have been on the right side of history. And, like, in a year, like, I'm going to play this clip and you know what I'm going to say? I fudgeing. Told you, bitches. Okay, now, Weenie of the week. I've been looking forward to weenie of the week all week. I actually had so many contenders.

[Jackie]

There's one for me that rises above all other weenies.

[Michelle]

And that, let's say it on three. One, two, three.

[Jackie]

Ben Simmons sister. From the moment she opened her mouth, her mouth on TikTok this week, week, it was weenie behavior. Something that from the minute she opened.

[Michelle]

Her mouth, a weenie popped out. Like, it was just so loser.

[Jackie]

Something that could not be eclipsed by other weenie behavior without being commemorated in this moment.

[Michelle]

Selena Gomez was in a true, like, second place honorable mention for me. But honestly, it's too simple to just give her.

[Jackie]

She's gonna do it again next week. So you could do it.

[Michelle]

Yeah. We have so many opportunities. But I don't know when we're gonna talk about Ben Simmons random sister ever again.

[Jackie]

No.

[Michelle]

So it had to be a turt, like, cemented in stone.

[Jackie]

It did. And I know I wrote down on my thing, like, we need Olivia Simmons. I know in a month her name's Olivia, I think.

[Michelle]

So I wrote, Ben Simmons, sister.

[Jackie]

I know in a month I'm gonna say, who is that?

[Michelle]

Oh, are you still writing them down?

[Jackie]

Just today I did, just to organize my thoughts. No.

[Michelle]

Like, remember how you were writing down all of our winners and queens?

[Jackie]

No, I'm not still doing that because I sometimes lose my pen.

[Michelle]

That's a good reason to not write something down.

[Jackie]

You don't have a pen, so I'm gonna keep tabs in my pen. But you know what? I will add the date for this one. What's today?

[Michelle]

The 24th.

[Jackie]

Okay. I actually technically have mine from last week too. That's all she wrote.

[Michelle]

Thank you guys so much for listening to the toast of Monday morning show. We deliver the fastest stories you need to know every Monday through Friday you do. If you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give us video thumbs up. Also podcast or podcasts we found so it's Spotify tune stitcher public video places we'll be listening to podcast leave a five star view about a beautiful sounding a weekly town today we are.

[Jackie]

Love ya. Bye.

[Michelle]

Oh, wait, are you gonna say bye?

[Jackie]

Like, I mean, yeah, a bigger.

[Michelle]

Make it like a big deal.

[Jackie]

Yeah, bye. I just, I don't know, I feel like I'm gonna be back like tomorrow. Okay. You know what I mean?

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

It's not goodbye, it's see you later, you know, patreon.com. oh yeah, definitely. You'll see me again this month on Patreon for damn sure. And next month too. I love you guys dearly. Have fun without me. Be good.