Memoirs Of A Daddy: Wednesday, February 25th, 2026

Summary

The Toast Podcast Summary

Episode: Memoirs Of A Daddy: Wednesday, February 25th, 2026
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: February 25, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant, laughter-filled episode of The Toast, hosts Jackie and Claudia exchange personal stories, hot takes on pop culture, and relatable rants ranging from Valentine’s Day flower mishaps, Target theft confessions, and book recommendations, to the latest reality TV drama and celebrity business news. The signature banter of the Oshry sisters keeps the episode fresh and entertaining, even as they dive into deeper moments of sisterly nostalgia and discussions on honesty in influencer culture. This episode's recurring threads are the messiness of modern relationships, the changing dynamic of adulthood and sisterhood, and a keen eye for what’s trending—both good and bad.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Valentine’s Day & The Flower Fiasco ([01:16]–[04:12])

• Claudia recounts the drama of not receiving flowers from her husband, Ben, on Valentine’s Day, only to discover he ordered them last minute after being reminded at Jackie’s.
  • “Imagine. How many years have we been together? 15. No, not a single flower. And then he had to overcompensate...$700 on flowers that I threw out two days ago. So, like, that's dumb.” — Claudia [02:36]
• There's a running joke about the fiscal irresponsibility of last-minute flower purchases and the extra cost of same-day delivery.
• Partners' “honesty” in public stories: Claudia laments trying to protect Ben on air, only for him to reveal the unvarnished truth on his own podcast.

Memorable Quote:
“I make my bones on, like, making fun of Ben. So, like, sometimes I try to protect him and just, like, not everything needs to be shared. And in his defense, he was like, well, I assumed you were just going to tell the story on the podcast. Like, no, I protected you. You didn't protect yourself.” — Claudia [03:08]

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2. Target Adventures & the Self-Checkout “Tax” ([04:43]–[07:02])

• Claudia’s solo trip to Target: She shares the joys (and minor crimes) of shopping at Target, describing how the weekday store is “like a daycare,” filled with moms and kids.
• Self-checkout confessions: Claudia admits not scanning every item, positing that missed barcodes are the “tax” Target pays for not hiring enough cashiers.
  • “That's the tax of making me self-checkout... At this point, I'm a cashier; I want benefits, I want health insurance, I want this onesie!” — Claudia [06:28]
• The pair riff on the modern absurdity of self-checkout systems, joking about deserving employee benefits for unpaid labor.

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3. The Kips Bay Design Show & Aspirational Culture ([07:29]–[09:47])

• Jackie and her husband’s outing to a design show in Palm Beach—how inspiring (and a little discouraging) it is to see beautifully designed homes compared to their own.
• Discussion of whether such events increase a home’s value and how designers each take over a room in a mansion for the showcase.

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4. Book Recommendations, Reading Goals & “Memoirs of a Daddy” ([09:47]–[16:00])

• Claudia and Ben’s Reading Challenge: Claudia hopes to start a “reading night” tradition with Ben, buying him “Remarkably Bright Creatures” at Target. Mixed reviews from Jackie.
• The sisters discuss the limitations of big-box store book selections (the “Goodreads Hot 100”), gateway reads, and the struggle to read books piecemeal.
  • “If you're really only reading it every Saturday, then you don't like it.” — Jackie [11:35]
• Sisterly book swapping:
  • The appeal of couples or families who swap and discuss books is “elite living,” with a wishful tone for their own relationships.
• Margo’s insight on reading: “She likes reading over TV shows because, like, you know what the character is thinking.” — Claudia [16:32]

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5. Sisterhood Memories & Nostalgia ([16:38]–[20:10])

• Claudia tells a touching story about their sister Margo crying on a trip, sad that “we’re not always going to be doing this”—prompting live fact-checking via phone call with Margo ([19:04]).
• A bittersweet acknowledgment of growing up, life changes, and how “life is different now,” but shared trips and togetherness are still cherished.

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6. Pop Culture Riffing: Social Media Moments, Broadway Life, and the Fame Drug ([20:22]–[24:50])

• The hosts discuss Monica Lewinsky and Dylan Mulvaney’s viral TikTok soundbite, Team USA’s use of their catchphrases, and how even celebrities ride social media trends.
• Deep dive into the realities of Broadway acting: the exhaustion of post-show stage door duties for actors like Daniel Radcliffe and Ben Platt.
  • Claudia: “It looks like the worst job ever. You make no money, and it is so hard...And then, you have to do stage door. I respect Ben Platt just waving and walking away.” [22:24]
• Both hosts compare the addictive nature of fan appreciation (from their own live shows) to why fame can become physically and emotionally addictive.

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7. Medical Bill Woes & Healthcare Rants ([29:59]–[33:04])

• Claudia shares a cautionary tale: After her daughter’s ER visit, she follows internet advice to ask for an itemized bill—only for the new bill to triple! ([30:00])
  • “...Whoever started that lie on the internet, that you should call for an itemized bill, you owe me.” — Claudia [31:12]
• Jackie relates with her own confusing post-childbirth billing saga, underlining the general dysfunction of the US healthcare system.

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8. The “Call Her Daddy” Memoir Bombshell ([33:45]–[47:00])

• Headline: Sophia Franklin, co-creator of Call Her Daddy, announces her memoir, Daddy Issues, about her fallout with Alex Cooper and their meteoric podcast rise.
• The hosts dissect the cover (“Mean Girls Burn Book vibes”), the clever branding, and speculate on the behind-the-scenes drama.
• Recounting the infamous contract disputes, the Spotify $60M deal, and the personal/professional betrayals.
  • “So they were really paying for the inventory as well. The $60 million was for future episodes but also past, like, the archive. And I think that's where Sophia really felt robbed.” — Claudia [42:04]
• Anticipation for the memoir’s potential TV adaptation, and curiosity whether Alex Cooper will ever “respond” with her own tell-all.

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9. Podcasting Trends, Flops & Celebrity Podcast Satire ([47:49]–[51:08])

• Critiquing the new “Friends Keep Secrets” podcast by Lil Dicky & Benny Blanco: “There was a video going viral of Benny Blanco, like, farting into his microphone and his feet up on the couch...The cream’s going to rise.” — Claudia [47:54]
• The sisters reflect on the podcast gold rush, noting that even unlimited resources can’t buy good content or audience love.

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10. Kim Kardashian’s Energy Drink & Celebrity Brands ([52:08]–[56:08])

• Kim Kardashian is announced as a co-founder of caffeine-free energy drink Update. The hosts express “influenced but exhausted” skepticism about the parade of celebrity startups and energy beverages.
• Brief sidebars on the booming alcoholic beverage industry (818, Sprinter), business decision gossip, and the impact of celebrity partnerships.

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11. Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2026 Nominees ([59:06]–[63:53])

• Run through of newly announced nominees, including Mariah Carey, Phil Collins, Lauryn Hill, Oasis, Pink, and Shakira.
  • Playful speculation of who might do tribute performances (e.g., John Legend for Pink), and jokes about the ceremony’s party aspect.

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12. Summer House Spinoff & Reality TV Analysis ([64:10]–[75:43])

• Details on Bravo’s plans to expand the Summer House franchise to new locations; debate over which US hotspots fit the show’s formula.
• In-depth recap of current Summer House drama—Amanda and Kyle’s relationship woes, Sierra, Jesse, and Wes’s tangled dynamics, and opinions on reality relationship etiquette.

Notable Take:
“Jesse showed women everywhere who he is last season. Whoever he dates next...what happens to you is on you.” — Claudia [74:42]

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Most Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “That's the tax of making me self checkout...At this point, I'm a cashier. I want benefits, I want health insurance, I want this onesie.” — Claudia on Target [06:28]
• “If you're really only reading it every Saturday, then you don't like it.” — Jackie [11:35]
• “It looks like the worst job ever. You make no money, and it is so hard...And then, you have to do the stage door. I respect Ben Platt just waving and walking away.” — Claudia [22:24]
• “Whoever started that lie on the internet, that you should call for an itemized bill, you owe me.” — Claudia [31:12]
• “So they were really paying for the inventory as well. The $60 million was for future episodes but also past, like, the archive. And I think that's where Sophia really felt robbed.” — Claudia [42:04]
• “The cream’s going to rise. Right. I don’t foresee this being the next Joe Rogan.” — Claudia on celeb podcasts [48:23]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Valentine’s Day Story/Flower Fiasco: [01:16]–[04:12]
• Target & Self-Checkout Confessions: [04:43]–[07:02]
• Design Show & Aspirational Culture: [07:29]–[09:47]
• Book Recommendations & Reading Aspirations: [09:47]–[16:00]
• Sisterhood Memories with Live Call: [16:38]–[20:10]
• Broadway Rant and Social Media Soundbites: [20:22]–[24:50]
• Healthcare Billing Fiasco: [29:59]–[33:04]
• Call Her Daddy Drama & Memoir: [33:45]–[47:00]
• Celebrity Podcast Flops: [47:49]–[51:08]
• Kim Kardashian’s Update Drink: [52:08]–[56:08]
• Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees: [59:06]–[63:53]
• Summer House Expansion & Recap: [64:10]–[75:43]

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Tone & Language

The tone throughout is witty, candid, and thoroughly conversational, with the sisters bouncing between relatable real-life stories, clever pop culture commentary, and the affectionate ribbing that has become their signature style.

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For New Listeners

This episode of The Toast encapsulates what longtime fans love—personal chaos, pop culture knowledge, sisterly warmth, and a deep sense of community with “the toasters.” Even without ads, intros, or outros, it’s a ride through everything you don’t want to miss from the news, your group chat, and your own Target receipt.

Transcript

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Good morning, girlies. It's the toast.

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It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

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It's your favorite show.

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The best five things you need to know.

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We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast.

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They sound amazing.

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Welcome back to the Toast and happy. Why are such a hard time this week? Tuesday, Wednesday, Happy Wednesday. It is hump day. Don't forget to have someone you love. And speaking of somebody that I love is Jacqueline Foley. Hello, Ms. Phillip. Thank you so much for taking the time to join our show.

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Of course. I always take the time. You actually like I'm someone who doesn't take the time.

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I know I'm not. We're not like a guest based show. So like sometimes fun to welcome people

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to the show to pretend that I'm your guest. Yes.

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And you do have like, sort of like multiple sides to you and it's like kind of like a new guest every day.

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Really? I feel like I'm so, like rock solid. You know what I mean?

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Very dynamic.

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Thank you so much. You have multiple percentages. I have multiple rocks in my solid. So if I was your guest, like, what would you want to be interviewing me about?

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I wouldn't because I want to talk about myself and something that happened to me.

[B]

So maybe I should say welcome to the toast.

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Oh, so you know you're stealing my.

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Thank you, Claudia, for joining us today. Claudia, tell us about yourself.

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Well, I want to talk about what

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it's like to be turd self.

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I want to talk about something that happened yesterday Valentine's Day.

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Okay.

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The flowers.

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Yeah.

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What?

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You were saying it like something, I don't know, like. Like you were about to tell me a story.

[A]

Well, you kind of don't know.

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I don't know what happened in your house.

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I told the story on the toast yesterday that, like, Ben also told on his podcast and his version was like, oh, slam dunk on Claudia. Like, okay.

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So obviously I also can't believe that if we hadn't just happened to mention this, like, stupid flower thing that you would never know that he said that on Good Guys. Yeah.

[A]

So. Yeah, right. Because I don't listen to their show. So I told a story, if you're not familiar with this saga yesterday that, like, on Valentine's Day we were at Jackie's house and Jackie off flowers and I yelled at Ben for not getting me flowers, but turns out they were at home and we just weren't home. And they were very beautiful and I had to apologize. And then Ben went on his podcast Saying that when we were at your house and Zach sent you flowers, it reminded Ben that he didn't get flowers. And so we went into the other room in that moment, ordered flowers, and then they were there when I got home. And, like, obviously I knew that, like, I was trying to protect my husband, like, by trying to make him look good. He's, like, disgustingly honest. So, yeah, the man forgot to get me flowers. Imagine. How many years have we been together? 15. No, not a single flower. And then he had to, like. And then this is just, like, where you're going to piss me off, because I am all about, like, fiscal conservatory ness. And because Ben went so nuts and didn't get flowers, he had to then over compensate. So instead of, like, a normal person getting, like, three dozen roses, he got seven. It was 700 on flowers that I threw out two days ago. So, like, that's dumb.

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Yeah.

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So not only are you forgetful, but you're also irresponsible. Like jail twice, two life sentences.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, guys, I know it wasn't, like a big, oh, look dirty. Like, I knew I was, like, really sweet.

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I, I, you know, like, I lay

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it all out here on the podcast, like, to a point. Like, I'm trying to protect my family.

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Like, I had. No, I just want you to know I really, I bought what you were selling.

[A]

Yeah. And, like, I. I make, like, my bones on, like, making fun of Ben. So, like, sometimes I try to protect him and just, like, not everything needs to be shared. And in his defense, he was like, well, I assumed you were just going to tell the story on the podcast. Like, no, I protected you. You didn't protect yourself. Like, I can't help you there.

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Your protection ends here.

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Oh, yeah, no more Secret Service.

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Also, I'm sure the florist, like, has upcharges people who ordered, like, who forgot flowers, and they definitely have extra flowers that they know there's going to be people who need them same day.

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And you could charge, like, 3x for delivery.

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You can literally charge 3x. That is a desperate person you're talking. You.

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Yeah, Lish. Extremely desperate. And the funny thing was that Ben has started to, like, not keep Shabbat, but on Saturdays, he's been turning his phone off to, like, be more present and, like, connect with the Lord, and I think it's great. So Valentine's Day was on a Saturday, and he had to use my phone behind my back. Like, not on my phone. I'm using my minutes to call the floor.

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Watch how he, like, didn't know his credit card number.

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Put it on my credit card.

[B]

Probably went into your Apple Pay, thousand percent.

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Thousand percent. So that's what I get for try and protect my husband. Duly noted. Won't happen again.

[B]

Okay. Well, thank you for your honesty though. You were dishonest with us yesterday.

[A]

I wasn't dishonest. I like, wanted to share a funny story, but I don't need to lay.

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No, I understand.

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I hate this whole, like, you have to like, lay your whole life out online to be an authentic influencer. Okay, I'm not.

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No. But it's been 24 hours.

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And I told the truth.

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And she told the truth.

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Yeah. So that's what.

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Because you also could have continued being dishonest. Yeah. And said, yeah, but now I look like a fool.

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Oh, I don't think so. I don't think so. Not today.

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She's nobody's fool.

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This foolishness ends here.

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Yeah.

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I also went to Target yesterday. Now I know what I'm going to say.

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Like, this is not that it's an amazing, magical place.

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It was such an amazing, magical place. And it was justly ruined by the fact that I had to pee. So I was like rushing through it when I really wanted to be leisurely. And it's funny how like day not Target on a weekday is like a daycare. There were kids everywhere. Like, I guess if you're like a single. Not a single. Sorry. A stay at home mom or you're like home with your kids. Like, you're just gonna go to Target.

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Yeah.

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You're gonna put them in the cart and you're just gonna wheel around for fun. I was like playing with kids. I felt weird not having a kid there. Like, I went by myself.

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Like, for some me to do music class.

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They should do music class. Like they have a Starbucks. They need to open like a little gym or. Yeah, one of those gym places. It was so magical. Like, I loved. I haven't gone to Target for convenience these days. Like if I'm ordering for Target, Target online has the best delivery. You get same day delivery, Target Instacart. I know, but you pay an upcharge on Instacart. Target website delivery Target Circle. You could shop from the store locally and it comes directly.

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You could also like pick up and then get like one of the best spots.

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Parking spots. Yeah, Sometimes I park there when like I'm not picking up and assume me. Okay, cuff me up.

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Wow. First she's lying, now she's stealing the law.

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Oh, and I did steal because I went to target. And I had a card of about a hundred things. I spent. Yeah, I spent $400. I needed so many things and it was self checkout. So I did my best. I did my best.

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Realize you've been through that.

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I did my best knowing that, like, I probably wasn't scanning, like, each thing maybe correctly. And I just thought, like, that's the tax of making me self check out. Like, I had multiple items. Like, I bought like, like 10 onesies. Like baby onesies because we needed new pajamas. And I was scanning them all. I didn't hear the beep every time. And I just thought, self checkout tax.

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I tried. Yeah, like, and that's the place you

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should be playing paying me. I'm your employee now.

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That's the price of them no longer paying cashiers. Like, you're losing it on the self checkout.

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And at this point, like, I'm a cashier. I want benefits, I want health insurance. I want this onesie.

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You're the checkout girl.

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When I was watching out, like, homes.

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Yes.

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I work in the market as a checkout girl. When I was walking out, like, I

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heard a beat and.

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And I said self checkout tax. And I kept walking. Nobody stopped me.

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Okay.

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I spent $453. Like, I'm good.

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So Target. You heard all that? Do what needs to be done.

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I'm a big fan, but there are improvements to be made.

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Okay.

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And I like how they all have Starbucks. A lot of them have ultas now. I love that they should put a daycare or something. Like, they would make bank.

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Yeah, bank. I hear the mamas like to go. The reals mamas, you guys.

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It was jam packed with kids. Like, I felt like the only person there who didn't have a kid with me. And I felt weird.

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Missed out.

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No, I felt like, inappropriate. Like, it's like if I went to, like a music class without a kid.

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Yeah, it's weird.

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So it was amazing. I got some great stuff.

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Oh, good. I'm sorry for. Of course. I'm so happy for you. Zach and I took a field trip yesterday. We went to this design show in Palm beach that's like a really big.

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Everyone's talking about.

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Everyone's. Everyone's talking about it.

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Have you been to Kips Bay? I'm like. I'm like, the movie theater. That's what it's called in the city, the Kips Bay.

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Well, the neighborhood is called Kips Bay,

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but nobody goes there unless they're going to the movie theater.

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Yeah, well, unless you just Graduated college.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Nobody my age goes Skips Bay unless you're going to the movie theater.

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Yeah.

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Or the fairway next door.

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And it was so cool. Spritz was a sponsor, so we were just like the belle of the bar.

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You were kind of like the big wing.

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Yeah, that's my beverage. Yeah. Anyone want to sit? Yes. We donate and we vlogged, so I'm not going to, like, spoil everything of what we saw, but it was seriously sickening. Like, really cool, talented stuff.

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I would find, like, an event like that upsetting because then, like, I have to go home to my house that looks nothing like this. Fair. Fair.

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Yeah. But the fair thing was, like, so cool. So it's in a house, all these designers, you have to be, like, selected. You get a room to design, and everyone does their own thing with it. They do their big one, of course.

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That's pretty cool.

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They literally put in new toilets if you get a bathroom.

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And then what do they do with that house afterwards?

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They leave it. It belongs to the own. Like the owner who lent his house out, he then gets the house.

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Who was the owner of the house?

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I don't know.

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But then, was it like a mansion?

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Yeah. And this time it was like two houses. It was like a mansion on the intercoastal and across the street, a cottage. Like, the guests.

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So cute.

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So cute. And every room is so different, though. So I wonder if, like, if it's annoying. No. Or it's like, maybe there's a couple rooms that they wind up just, like, taking some stuff down. This is a lot to live with all the time. But, yeah, you get like, a free, insanely decorated house.

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And I wonder if that, like, increases the value of your home kind of How? Like, you know, oh, this home was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, but this

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home was designed by 20 different.

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It was a part of the big festival.

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Yeah. Zach and I were discussing in the vlog, but I just thought that was so cool.

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That is really cool.

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And they also do one in New York and Dallas. Really? Yeah.

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Like in a New York City apartment or a house.

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I feel like in an apartment that's New York City.

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Yeah.

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Really cool.

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Love that. Look at us. Just, like, expanding our interest.

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I haven't, like, done something culturally that wasn't like the movie. The children's museum.

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Yeah. Or the housemaid. Yeah.

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Going into the aquarium. You know, like, every. We do a lot of cultural stuff, but it's always, like, for kids, like, Frost Science. Like, I haven't done some. A cultural activity, like, for Just an adult self. And it was very cool. Like, oh, everyone's doing cool stuff. Love that happen for you guys.

[A]

Well, speaking of culture, you know what else I got at Target?

[B]

What?

[A]

And I would love to get your take on this. So Ben has been keeping Shabbat great, and he said he wants, like, a Shabbat book because he gets so bored and a book would happen. He, like, refuses to do a Kindle. He thinks it's, like, not the same. So when I was at Target, I'm like, let me find a book for Ben that I think he would be interested in. And in the past, when I've tried to get him to read, I've gotten memoirs. He did, like, Rich Paul's memoir. But other than that, like, it hasn't stuck. So I'm like, let me go.

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Fiction.

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So I was reading, like, a bunch of covers, and I got him. Have you read Remarkably Bright Creatures?

[B]

No, I haven't.

[A]

Okay. So I had heard of it.

[B]

I've heard of it too.

[A]

And it. Like, what? What?

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No, I just can't believe that's what you got for it.

[A]

Wait, why?

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Like, first of all, it's like, you know, part of the similar, like, crawdads of, like, literary fiction.

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Popular.

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Yes. And I think Dana and or Rebecca read it, and it was not recommended.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because if it were, there was Marine

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Life on the COVID and Ben loves marine life. And then I was reading the back, and it's like a thriller. Somebody goes missing. And then she also works in an aquarium, which is Ben's dream, to work at an aquarium.

[B]

Okay. I think Ben wasn't for me.

[A]

It wasn't for me.

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Like, it's a book that I should have read because it's, like, you know, good reads. But it did not come recommended to me. In fact, it was not recommended to me.

[A]

Okay. But I think that might still make it a candidate for Ben. You and Ben are very different.

[B]

And I like. I like what you're doing. Yeah.

[A]

I tried. And, you know, books at Target, it's not Barnes and Noble. I feel like it's like airport books. It's just the pot. Mel Robbins was all over the place and, like, a bunch of cookbooks, which I was gonna get for bed. So I was limited. Like, I couldn't find, like, niche books. It was just the Goodreads. Hot 100.

[B]

Yeah. It's a Good Reads. Hot 100. Let me know how it goes. I endorse this message.

[A]

He plans on only reading on Saturdays, so it'll be, like, a couple of months Before.

[B]

Well, if he loves it, he will read it on Sunday as well.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And Monday and Tuesday until he finishes it. Because that's what a good book does. If you're really only reading it every Saturday, then you don't like it. Yeah.

[A]

And you. I can't pick up a book and then, like, days later or weeks later pick it up again. I have forgotten the entire thing.

[B]

And it just means I didn't like it.

[A]

Like, really. Yeah.

[B]

If we're being real, if we're being honest. Because if I loved it, I can't put it down.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

That's the thing about books I'm about to read.

[A]

So I'm hoping that Ben's book will get me to. I haven't read it.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

And I did it more so for myself. Like, I would love to. We have a TV schedule, you know. Tell me, like, Tuesdays.

[B]

Yeah. Last night was a light load.

[A]

Right. So I'm thinking, like, we are in a heavy schedule with tv and, like, on the nights now, Tuesdays have opened up. Like, on the nights like, that maybe we could read. And I thought if Ben had a book, maybe I would then pick up my Kindle.

[B]

That's so cute. And that's really goals. Like reading in bed with your partner

[A]

and then, like, putting on moisturizer.

[B]

And then also, like, you've both read each other's books so you could, like, talk about them.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know who does that? My friend does that with Sam. Sam and Ben.

[A]

Yeah. Well, they're both, like, really smart. Smart. But, like, in a book, sway. Like, we're all smart.

[B]

I think Dana and Josh probably do that. Like, he recommends a lot of books to her, and, like, sometimes she'll even, like, make them for the redheads. They, like, swap books.

[A]

That's like elite living. That is living on a different planet than the one we're just. We just zoom scroll.

[B]

We just swap phones, share memes.

[A]

No, I want to get to a place where, like, we're moisturizing and reading.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In bed.

[B]

And then, like, Ben, like, will take off his glasses.

[A]

Yes. It's such a scene. Right. His and her sides of the book. They're both hides the sides of the bed, they're both reading. She takes out her cream of moisturizer. She's like, rubbing her elbow, and they say, like, did you know Winston Churchill? Yada, yada. Like, I just want to know things.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Goals.

[A]

Yeah. We'll get there.

[B]

We'll see.

[A]

No, like, that's really okay. Resolution.

[B]

Resolution is you and Ben Reading. Well, you're on your way. He asked for a book.

[A]

We're halfway there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have to want.

[B]

I'm not there. We're not there. All right, you'll be there. Actually, there was a book I wanted Zach to read, and he endeavored to read it over the course of multiple years.

[A]

Oh, multiple years.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He didn't like it.

[B]

It was Bad Therapy by Abigail Schreier. I thought it was, like, really insightful and he enjoyed what he read over multiple years. Does he talk?

[A]

Does he reference it ever?

[B]

Like, no, but, like, every time we go somewhere, he brings it.

[A]

Oh, my God, that's so fucking cute. That's actually better than if he had finished it.

[B]

Yeah. Even when we were dating, like, he would always, like, bring a book, like if we went on a trip or something.

[A]

Wow. Deeply relate to Zach in that way. Because it's a book is also, like an image thing. It's obviously nourishing the mind, but also having everyone around, you know, like, yes, I read.

[B]

Yeah. But like, he would always, like, wanna. He would always bring a book on the trip, and it was always the same book. Cause he never actually read it. And that's hilarious. Now that book is that book for him.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

Got it. Like his go to his marriage.

[A]

But.

[B]

Well, the book that he wants to read next.

[A]

What was the book for? What was the first book?

[B]

I think it was the one with the orange cover. It was like the Art of War. No.

[A]

How to not Give a.

[B]

Like, subtly.

[A]

The Art of Not Giving a. The subtle. The subtle Art of Not Giving.

[B]

Maybe that one. Something like, people who don't read own

[A]

a copy of that book. Because the funny thing, I think, like,

[B]

that's the one you start with. Yes.

[A]

Because I've been like, talking like, for years with Remy Bader about how, like, I actually think she would love to read. Especially when she became really famous on Tick Tock. It was very bad for her mental health. And I was like, if you take a couple hours a day off your phone to read, I think it would be really good for you. And you love, like, all the shows and everything. Like, books are shows and I've been dying. And she was like, the one book she has, and she's like, okay, I'm gonna read it. She's always posting about this book, the Orange Subtle Art of Not.

[B]

People think you need to start with that. If you start with it, you will never gonna continue. Just start with Colleen Hoover. Okay.

[A]

Colleen Hoover is the gateway book.

[B]

Yeah, I. I think Verity is the gateway book.

[A]

Okay. I think that's a great recommendation for me. The gateway book was recommended by you. It happened one summer when I read that book. I was like, oh, I didn't know that books were like this. I didn't know we were reading, like, rom com books. Like, yeah. And then also, Seven Husbands is a gateway book. It's just a little long.

[B]

No, but that is really good.

[A]

That's why. That's when I read books. I'm like, oh, this is what books are. I was. My whole mindset on books was school.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Literature, boring. We have to, like, find double meaning and everything. Is it a pencil or a penis? Like, I was like, this sucks. I didn't realize, like, that books were just TV shows and TV shows are books.

[B]

Yeah. And we could just read for fun. But you know what Margo said once, Like, Margot. Yeah. Like, a cute, insightful thing she once said when she talked about when she was the first one in the family reading, and she was. She needs.

[A]

She gets credit there.

[B]

She gets really, like, annoyed with me, don't she?

[A]

When we were on tour, she, like, would bring a Kindle. And it was such a vibe killer. I'm like, can we go out?

[B]

Yeah. And like, when we would go on family vacation, up until, like, I started reading, like, she would always, like, be in the bath reading, like, so she read first.

[A]

Okay. By the way, 100%.

[B]

And she said that she likes reading over TV shows because, like, you know what the character is thinking.

[A]

That's very insightful.

[B]

Isn't that cute?

[A]

It's not cute. I knew what I thought you were

[B]

gonna say, but I just thought it was cute.

[A]

She, like, you know the cutest thing Margot ever said? Do you know what it is?

[B]

She wants to be a mom and a cheerleader. Oh.

[A]

When you would ask her when she was a kid what she wanted to be, she would say, a mom and a cheerleader. No, you're gonna remember it, though. Like, we were in la.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. So you don't remember.

[B]

I. I'm not. I'm not there.

[A]

So we, like, took a sister's trip. Remember we stayed at the Mr. C Hotel and they had the two really small beds and we had to share two small beds. Margo started crying one day and we were like, what's wrong?

[B]

Where were we? When she.

[A]

In the hotel room, sitting on the tiny bed. Okay. We must have been, like, getting ready or something. And she started, like, tearing up, getting upset. We were like, what's wrong? And she couldn't explain it. And she was like, just like, makes Me sad. Like, we're not always going to like, be doing this. Like I'm. I'm literally going to cry, like, talking about it. It was so sweet. She was like, like, we're not all just like gonna be like sisters like this. Like, it was very, very sweet.

[B]

Oh my God. I don't remember. I didn't know that that had happened.

[A]

You don't remember that?

[B]

I feel like we need to take a sister's trip to LA with her.

[A]

I was so, like, impacted by it. Like, that's so cr.

[B]

You know, it's not really like congruous with the way I think she feels about us. So maybe she misses us.

[A]

It's a cry for help.

[B]

Maybe she misses us.

[A]

It is a cry for help.

[B]

I think we should take a sister Strip to LA and sit on and share Mr. C. Beds. We have to share. Okay. We have all have our room. No, no. Like to share.

[A]

I do. I love sharing rooms. That's my dream. Like us all being in. I know what Margot was saying.

[B]

Like.

[A]

Yeah, it was such a girly moment. We were getting ready for something. We were like having. We went to like chiconis for dinner. It was like so fat. It was like a fabulous trip. I don't. We don't like, do that. Like, we don't know.

[B]

And she's right because we used to

[A]

be like a unit.

[B]

A unit. We used to do every, like every Saturday night. It's like, what are we? Like, we're going out with our friends, but we're all going. Like we're just like one group, every vac kid. Like, we were always going on trips and this and dinner and this and that. And it's obviously not like that anymore.

[A]

Yeah. And so she was kind of like speaking truth about what the future would hold.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, everybody went on and like grew up and did their own things and made new friends, got married. Like, it was very.

[B]

It was mostly just like married with kids. Because it's not like we like made new friends and ditched our sisters.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We're always just.

[A]

Life is different now.

[B]

Life is different now. It was very sweet and we were. That. That was like, really. When we were in the Steens, she

[A]

literally said, it's not always going to be like steeny vibes. It was really sweet.

[B]

I mean, it's. It isn't always.

[A]

I wonder if she like, am I making this up?

[B]

No.

[A]

I think for the second day in a row we have to call Sachi.

[B]

Okay. But like, tell her we're recording.

[A]

I will, of course.

[B]

And also like, I feel like it's a little personal. So she might like say she never said it, but like know that she did. Just like Olivia and Bryan. Right. But know that she.

[A]

Hi. Are you on the toilet? Okay, I won't show you, but we are recording and I wanted to ask you if you remembered something or if I'm making this up because, you know, I do sometimes I make up memories.

[B]

Hey, Sachi, do you remember when we

[A]

took a sisters trip to LA and we stayed at the Mr. C Hotel? Of course. And you said. Yeah. And you said the cutest thing ever.

[B]

Okay, I probably don't remember that.

[A]

But what? Like we were all like sitting in the room like getting ready or something and you were like, you got upset and we were like, what's wrong? You like couldn't explain what was wrong. And you basically were just like, it's never, it's like not always going to be like this, like steamy vibes, the four of us, like. Oh, I do remember saying that. Okay, good. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't making it up. Oh, I was ahead of my time there. Yeah, that. Because you were right. Thank you.

[B]

And she wants to go to la.

[A]

Oh, do you want us to plan a trip, the four of us? And we could stay at the Mr. C Hotel and stay in tiny beds again. I think now at this point there

[B]

allows you to do better than Mr.

[A]

C. But yeah, I would love to.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Enjoy your poop.

[B]

She would love to. You. You would want to do that.

[A]

You would want to do that.

[B]

I'd love to do that. Do you miss us?

[A]

Of course. And I will see you Friday.

[B]

Yay.

[A]

Yay. Love you. Love you. Maybe we do like a staycation.

[B]

Like one night, a trip to la. That's really cute. She's so cute.

[A]

That's actually just when you think she's gonna zig.

[B]

It's so true.

[A]

She zags.

[B]

She zags back to her sisters.

[A]

We are like the best. Who wouldn't zag to us like, we're the best.

[B]

I know. That's how we feel.

[A]

There aren't two more charitable.

[B]

Everyone's using our sound.

[A]

Monica Lewinsky.

[B]

Team usa.

[A]

Team usa.

[B]

But Monica Lewinsky, Monica Lindsay and Dylan

[A]

Mulvaney, like, when I say we have range, that's what I'm fucking talking about.

[B]

Everyone's using the same day. The men's hockey team, it was men's and women's. Oh, right. Men's and women's.

[A]

And that was the official Team usa.

[B]

They had all the men's and women's hockey team together. And then they said, we are two of the most fabulous. Whatever.

[A]

I just. Social media manager.

[B]

She.

[A]

Well done.

[B]

Because it was like two teams. So we are two of the most. Yeah, Crush it. I don't even know the sound.

[A]

We are two of the funniest, generous, charitable people. And I know us, like, offline.

[B]

And then Dylan Mulvaney.

[A]

The fact that we have so many haters genuinely blows my mind to this day.

[B]

What were Dylan and Monica up to?

[A]

I think Dylan's on Broadway and Monica went to see the show. And then, you know, you go backstage, you, like, content. Oh, you know what? That just reminds me. I saw a video of Daniel Radcliffe. You know, he's on Broadway as well. Did you feel like everyone's on Broadway?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, Jake Shane is on Broadway. Jake Shane, Whitney Leobitt. And Daniel Radcliffe's like, of course, in, like, a critically acclaimed and, you know, part of it being a Broadway actress. And I just want to say, I never want to be on Broadway, please. Unless it's the role of, like, we're making a full replies. Reprisal of hairspray. Do not come. Do not come knocking on my door. It looks like the worst job ever. You make no money, and it is so hard. And then when the show is over, you have to do the back door. So you leave the stage door. You can't just, like, finish a hard day of work, get in the car and go home. You have to go out, sign playbills, take pictures, and so many videos. I'm always seeing, like, oh, my God. You know, Jesse was so nice and Whitney was so mean. Like, you know, they say, like, Daniel Radcliffe, like, literally put on his puffer coat. It was like the blizzard ran out. People didn't even see him because he put his hood on and he just thought he was, like, a staff member who worked there. And the comments were like, oh, my God, like, you didn't come to the stage door. You hate your fans. Oh, my God, I could never. The fact that Broadway actors and actresses have to do a whole performance after, like, after doing that, have to go outside and take a picture with every single person and sign everything, single playbill. Or else you're like, not like. Or else you hate your fans. Oh, my God, I hate that. I could never. Yeah, that sounds like, just to stand outside. Everyone's filming you. You're exhausted. And if you don't do it exactly right. Because the Broadway folk, like, they take that back door stage thing, like, so seriously. And I forget who it was that, like, didn't do it, like, oh, the person who hates his fans the most. Ben Platt. Ben Platt was like, I'm not doing it. Like, he literally, like, was like. He walked out, was, like, waving. And I just want to say I respected that.

[B]

Yeah. That's. I. I don't take issue with that.

[A]

No, me neither. The fact that, like, so many Broadway people, like, they just. They just do it. Like, you have to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When I'm sure all you want to do is go to sleep.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No. Daniel Radcliffe said, not today.

[B]

I won't use that again. Spent. No.

[A]

Mean I have enough. Yeah, of course. Court adjourned.

[B]

Um, let's get into the stories. Right. Because that's the job we're here to do.

[A]

Much like those Broadway actors.

[B]

Right. And we love the Back Door.

[A]

Okay. We love the Back Door title. You actually.

[B]

You said, like, I just wouldn't go to sleep. You would love it. Remember when we used to do Jizno?

[A]

I would.

[B]

That was seriously. I actually. Ben Platt. Because that was the high of a lifetime.

[A]

So true. When we did Jizno and, like, certain venues like the Beacon, when literally, they put up barricades, there were so many toasters, like, wanted to take a picture of us seriously.

[B]

It's a drug I can understand.

[A]

And I want you guys to know, like, we knew that people were outside, so we had, like, a whole presentation. Like, we told everyone to get in the car, to take our stuff. We can't be carrying, like, bags. I said, take my jacket. Like, I wanted to be. I had, like, a red solo cup, because I see, like, cool people, like, drinking. And we were going to our after party, and I walked out, and I was, like, surprised. I was like, oh, you guys, for me, I was like, oh, that's so sweet. Let me take some pictures. Like, oh, autograph. Yeah, you have a Sharpie. We. When I tell you, it was like, that's how people, like, die from fame. Addiction. Like, I understand how you then become addicted to heroin, like, because there is no high quite like that. The fact that we didn't become drug addicts after that is insane, 100%.

[B]

And I have no sympathy now for Daniel. I agree. Except for Back in the Blizzard. But, like, seriously, that moment of adoration, like, it's addictive. Yeah.

[A]

I feel like it would actually make you want to get up and go to work. Yeah.

[B]

That's what you do it for.

[A]

It looks fabulous. It looks alluring. And I could tell you, as somebody who's done it, it feels more than that. Like, yeah.

[B]

So when you see people, like, getting paparazzi, like, leaving, like, Kimmel or whatever, and there's, like. Like, when there's two barricades and it's

[A]

civilized, you're not being, like, in. When I see those episodes of Kardashians where they go to, like, different countries and people like, storm, that is horrible. I'm talking about barricades where they have police officers. Yeah. That look.

[B]

And you're just, like, walking, like. Yeah.

[A]

No one's touching you. You're just getting photographed, and you, like, look the way you want to look. Yeah. We need to get paparazzi more. We should just, like, hire someone to follow us around.

[B]

Yeah, we should have, like, we need paparazzi at those. When we did that, you know.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Call paparazzi for the next time we should do it.

[A]

Just. No. Soon, like, we're both sort of, like, free to do it.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah. A couple months. Give me a couple months. You know, some things to do.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

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[B]

Thank you. Turt Masion.

[A]

I tried to write this in the family chat, but, like, there was a lot going on and nobody answered me. So remember, like, two, three weeks ago when it was a Monday? It was a Monday after the super bowl and I wasn't on the show, so I had to take root of the emergency room. He's totally fine. I didn't want to talk about it then because I was, like, scared. But he's completely fine. And I got a bill. I Got a bill, like, a couple of days later. Of course, you know, they don't miss a beat. And it was $3,000. And, you know, I've heard forever, like, it's. You know, I'm Erica, and I read the fine print so you don't have to. And they always say, like, if you call the hospital and ask them for an itemized bill, they will send you one. That's almost always, like, half less. They overcharge people because people don't ask for itemized bills. You get charged for things that you don't do. And I've never done it before. And I was like, sure. Like, I don't want to pay this bill right now. So I called. The lady was so lovely. She said, yes, you will receive it in about 10 days. I got it yesterday.

[B]

Less.

[A]

So the original bill. Let me just get you the exact amounts.

[B]

Okay? Okay.

[A]

The original bill was $3376. And the bill that I got yesterday was $8446. So whoever started that lie on the Internet, that you should call for an itemized bill, you okay.

[B]

Oh, my God. You know what? I'm dealing.

[A]

And that's what I get for, like,

[B]

you know what I'm dealing with right now? What? When I gave birth and then I'm checking out of the hospital, they're like, we'll mail you a bill. I was like, no, I want to pay it now because if you mail me a bill, I'm never gonna. I don't. I don't.

[A]

What about insurance?

[B]

Like, they already did my insurance. Like, whatever.

[A]

I would pay when you leave. Like a hotel.

[B]

Yeah. And I literally am wearing a diaper, carrying a baby, and I'm like, here, charge me. I don't want a bill. I'm not gonna pay it. Right. Don't look at my mail.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I can't get my bill. Like, I. Yeah, yeah. But I want. Okay.

[A]

This y. Magnanimous of you.

[B]

Bleeding postpartum day after I gave birth, I paid my bill so that they would leave me the alone.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

They call me every day with a charge.

[A]

What?

[B]

Every day I have missed call. But I don't get it because I have my screen calls on, and I don't have their numbers here, so I never even see it. That I have an outstanding balance. I'm now getting mail from the hospital that I owe them money.

[A]

They undercharged you?

[B]

No. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. But, like, I. What happened in between when I left right now? Unless, like, my insurance didn't cover as much as they thought it would. Sounds like a you guys agreed.

[A]

Agreed.

[B]

Sounds like a you problem because I spent a couple grand on my way out the door. I'm done.

[A]

That's big of you.

[B]

Like, what?

[A]

Yeah, my hospital bill for Ruby was just about a thousand dollars, which I was shocked by.

[B]

That's really. These people on these. Their bills, they're crazy.

[A]

No, that's why. That's why I did the itemized thing, because I could. It's kind of like fake, you know, they just make up prices.

[B]

No, they just make up prices. I. We had to go to the hospital over the summer one time, and so I've been just getting bills from that, which I paid and then another bill. Like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

At 45. What?

[A]

Yeah, right. So that's just something I'm dealing with. And thanks to that girl on Tick Tock who started the fake rumor.

[B]

I know this isn't going to be like, a new statement or anything, but, like, the health care system is broken.

[A]

Broken. I mean, I watch a pit, so I know how broken it really is.

[B]

Like, it's really broken. Like, I paid my bill. Like, what are you calling me about? No, I didn't do any new work.

[A]

I can't believe you paid your bill.

[B]

Like, I know, but that's how much I know myself. Where it's like, if something comes in the mail, like, that's so funny because,

[A]

like, that wasn't even an option for me. Like, the bill.

[B]

I was like, who wants my card?

[A]

The bill just comes, like, later. That's crazy.

[B]

I don't roll like that.

[A]

No, I didn't even. There wasn't, like, a desk with a credit card machine. Like, I don't even know where I

[B]

would have done that on checkout.

[A]

There wasn't a checkout. They just gave me papers, and they were like, someone. Your credit card. A couple.

[B]

Crap.

[A]

She went shopping on the Real Realtors,

[B]

and now I'm getting, like, my bill.

[A]

Yeah, that's funny.

[B]

Okay, let's get into the stories, because I still haven't done that yet.

[A]

Oh, my God. Sorry. I just saw the clock. Sorry.

[B]

Our first story are kind of two of our favorite categories of news, podcast, drama, and memoir news.

[A]

You guys, I was not prepared for this cover. She released something. Sorry, Can I tell the story? I am so now. Yes.

[B]

Maybe I should say who she is. Sophia Franklin is writing a memoir about the Call Her Daddy fallout. So Sophia Franklin, the co creator of Call Her Daddy, announced this morning that she is writing her memoirs specifically about what happened in 2020 with her podcast Call Her Daddy, that she started with Alex Cooper. And the fallout from that, that memoir is called Daddy Issues. And the COVID as Claudia was just about to say, was not what she expected.

[A]

I mean, it's a picture of Sophia and Alex, like, probably from 2018, like an early picture of their friendship. And Alex's face is, like, crossed out. It's like cut out. It's giving that scene in Mean Girls. This girl can't be trusted. She is a ugly slut. Like, the COVID is insane. The title is Daddy Issues, which, you know, we love to criticize a memoir title. I think it's a great title. It seems like Sophia has not really leaned into, like, the daddy branding because when she launched her first podcast after leaving Call Her Daddy or like, being booted, whatever, I think a lot of people thought she was gonna do something daddy like, as well, whether it's like single father or whatever. And she totally, like, didn't lean into the branding at all, which I do think was a mistake. And so now it feels like she's going like, full force with it. I feel like she's gonna put in her Instagram bio co creator of the Caller Daddy podcast. Like, because now I went on the website, her bio, it says Sophia Franklin, lives based in New York City and is a co creator of the Call Her Daddy podcast. Like, now she's like, taking credit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where recently, like, she wouldn't have.

[B]

Yeah. The way you describe the COVID So I think that the. The format of it is like, looks feels a little funny, but like, it does feel like Mean Girls Burn book. And when I see this book, I'm like, I feel like this will be turned into a show, like, because we.

[A]

She should sell the rights.

[B]

She should sell the rights. This would be like such a great show and this would be like the piece of material that they need to go out and make a show.

[A]

And the funny thing is that while it was like the biggest story ever and Alex made that one YouTube video after that, the girls never talked about it. Like, when Alex has ever been like, like interviewed or like, even alluded to it, she, like, has a boundary up where she won't talk about it. So actually I believe that a lot went on behind the scenes that people still don't really know about. I think there's like, actually a lot of meat for both girls to talk about. It seems as though Alex is. That's like a no go for her.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, it. It's sort of buried and she's moved on and won't be going there. But I think it's very hard for Sophia to take that same route because, like, she's sort of the injured party.

[B]

Yeah, Sophia, like, talked about it in podcasts and stuff. Like, she goes on other. She's been on this show. Yeah, she goes on other shows. And, like, we'll talk about. Especially when, like, the $60 million Spotify deal happened. But it seems like from the description of this book, that there's a lot more that happened. And I think by the time Sophia was ready to tell her story, like, people had moved on. And it's like. Like, hard to just, like, start screaming and be like, wait, what about.

[A]

And people being like, you're still talking about that, right?

[B]

And so I think she's talked about it a little bit, but that there is more. And I think this book is also about, like, her healing journey. And I think we're gonna, like, read more about, like, why she. Like, there was months before she even put out her first video. Like, I think she was, like, paralyzed.

[A]

Yeah. I think she went from, like, first of all, they had such quick success. Like, they had the number one show in the world, like, above Joe Rogan, and it hadn't even been a year yet. So to go from being, like, an unknown person to that level, I think is traumatizing. Like, nobody can hand handle that. And then overnight, like, you're the devil. Your man is the devil. Like, an entire barstool, everyone, like, coming for you, making merch about you, making fun of your looks, making fun of your family. Like, she got it so bad that she's really. So. A lot of people were like, make a video, Make a podcast. Do something. She didn't come out with Sophia with an F for, like, months. I agree. I think, like, she was probably. And I'm sure she'll talk about this, like, really in a bad spot, mentally.

[B]

Yeah. I think that that is what a lot of this book is going to be about. It says the memoir will delve not only into her time on Call Her Daddy, so probably, like, the rise too, which is also just interesting.

[A]

Very interesting. If you ever go back and watch their vlog. Oh, my God, they were crazy.

[B]

They were so crazy. They were so funny.

[A]

They were magnetic. Like, it's. It's no shock that they were as successful as they were as quickly as they were, because they were magic together. They were just crazy. Like, living in New York, doing what, whatever they wanted.

[B]

Like, it was insane. So she said. But it will also talk about the emotional and physical result of her Fallout with Cooper, feelings of betrayal and learning how to reinvent herself. She said the decision to write the book was one I came to on my own six years ago. I was reeling from an experience I didn't understand. I needed to grow up and be free of ego as much as humanly possible. She said. For her, losing call her daddy also meant the loss of her friendship with Alex.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Everything that we had been working toward and planning for the last year and a half, a year to year, was suddenly not the plan anymore. And Alex thought we just needed to stay with this company and do what Dave was saying. I found out later that Alex and Dave 1000% had this relationship that I was not aware of and not a part of. I thought Alex was my best friend, sister, and we were not hiding anything. There's no way in hell I would speak to our boss without you. That would be crazy. And I don't think that went both ways. That's what Sophia had said in 2023 to Rolling Stone. But then I think the impetus for this book, at least in the, like, video that Sophia posted yesterday, is like, like the documentary. So Alex had her documentary on Hulu. It came out last year.

[A]

Call me Alex.

[B]

Call her Alex. And they talk about, like, the inception of the show and the falling out a bit briefly. And I think that the way that now the story is told is Sofia's now. Like, I don't think so. Hold my beer.

[A]

Well, I think it's been very convenient for Alex to repackage how the story went because Sophia hasn't spoken about it. So she thought maybe, like, she was safe to put her own spin on it. Like, enough time has passed. Sophia's moved on, started her own show. Like, we're not going back there anymore. So when it came time to, like, have an official retelling, she could have, like, you know, I think she just

[B]

probably glazes over, you know, just like, we wanted this, we were getting paid this, we were the biggest show in the world. Dave is in the documentary saying that they were paying a lot of the salaries at barstool. They were locked into a three year contract, and two years into that deal, they became the number one podcast listened to by women. And they deserved more money. And they did.

[A]

Yeah, they did.

[B]

And he made them a deal that Alex said, like, we couldn't refuse and if I do it for one more year, we get the ip. And she thought that was a great deal.

[A]

And Sophia didn't want to take that deal.

[B]

No.

[A]

Or they didn't tell Sophia about the deal.

[B]

No, Sophia didn't want to take that deal. From what I remember, and this is just my memory, they were each offered half a million 500. They were making $60,000, like 70,000 bonuses, like merch. And so all in all, I think they were making like a hundred or two hundred thousand dollars a year when

[A]

they had the number one podcast in

[B]

the world, which is insane because, like,

[A]

Joe Rogan makes, like, $30 million a year.

[B]

No. And the math was coming out that, like, their episodes were generating a million dollars for the business.

[A]

Yeah. They got, like a million downloads an episode. That's fucking crazy.

[B]

Or maybe they're. Maybe they were generating $100,000 per episode. Something insane. Like more than their yearly salary in one episode.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So then the deal that we had heard was that they were each offered $500,000 to continue the show for one more year at barstool. And then they would have their ip,

[A]

a little piece of merch. Right. Like a percentage of their merch sales, like little things.

[B]

But the salary was $500,000.

[A]

And Sophia said that wasn't enough.

[B]

Sophia said that wasn't a good deal. And then Alex said, met with Dave. Met with Dave and said, I'll take that deal. And she got Sophia's 500, 000.

[A]

Oh, so she got a million.

[B]

Yeah, she got a million for that year.

[A]

Oh, that's kind of crazy. I didn't know that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's how I remember it. And if I'm wrong, just let me know.

[A]

Yeah, that was such a crazy time.

[B]

And then she did it for one year, and then she got the show, and then the next year, she got 60 million from spot.

[A]

Right. And Spotify. And I'm sure Sophia will talk about this. The Spotify deal was $60 million, like, for Alex to continue exclusively releasing on Spotify, but also for the back catalog. So all the episodes that Alex did with Sophia that were extremely valuable, like the MILF Hunter. Right. That was like, they had, like. I don't know, they had, like, a lot of sagas, like famous episodes, like, people go back and luck.

[B]

Yeah, Right.

[A]

Things people would go back and watch. So they were really paying for the inventory as well. The 60 million was for future episodes, but also past, like, the archive. And I think that's where Sophia was, like, really felt robbed, where it's like, well, okay, you're selling her voice, like, her actual voice work her stories. This time she got arrested. The time she accidentally did meth, like, that got sold to Spotify, and she didn't make any money from that. Like, that's really crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm sat for this book, and I want Alex's side, too. Alex is like, you know, I get it. Because, like, it's murky, and Alex is so moved on, and I do feel like, like, the success of Call Her Daddy now is all Alex. Like, she. Like, you cannot. And I think that that's really something. Like, she's probably insecure about not people being. Like, you took the success of two people and made it all your own. You can't deny that. Like, how far Alex has come is all Alex.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, she is a marketing. She knows what the fuck she's doing. So I think she's hesitant to go back there because she doesn't want it to undercut her current success, which is fair. But I do think the early days and, like, the whole saga, like, I don't think people know, like, how wronged Sophia was.

[B]

Yeah. They thought she was just, like, being greedy, stupid, and, like, letting her man, you know, write the terms and, like, that he wanted their podcast. I think he was just, like, trying to lend his girl business sense to her because they had something that they didn't know what to do with.

[A]

Right.

[B]

They were so underpaid. It's a joke.

[A]

And even 500,000 is, like, it's not enough.

[B]

It's not like, 1% of what they make.

[A]

If they had been a unit and, like, continued to negotiate either with Dave or left, and they didn't have the ip, but they could have started another podcast at that height. Like, there were options for them outside of it. But it seemed like there was things going on between them in their friendship that, like, Alex didn't want to be with Sophia anymore.

[B]

And it seems like that Sofia didn't know about it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, that one person's like, this friendship doesn't serve me. This is toxic. And, you know, we're not. Because Alex said in her documentary, like, it's a situation where what it seems on the Internet is not what it said was. Like, in my life.

[A]

I believe that.

[B]

I feel like Sophia thought they were best friends.

[A]

Yeah. Like, roommate sisters, lovers for life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So I would. Would I. I don't know if this will encourage Alex to speak up. I feel like Alex is never gonna go there.

[B]

Like, that's hard. And I'm sure she, like, felt like she covered it in her documentary and box checked.

[A]

We're good.

[B]

That's that on that.

[A]

Yeah. And she. When she went back to the barstool office, they were like, do you talk to Sophia? I think that, like, she thought she was really opening up. Up a lot there, and, like, she covered her bases. But I would. I would really love to hear, like, a rebuttal.

[B]

And I feel like we have heard Alex's side, like, even when she put out that video, when it all went down, and then she was like, you know, telling us, like, see you guys.

[A]

See Wednesday.

[B]

She shared her side in the roof and everything. Yeah, the roof. So it's really, like, Sophia's side that hasn't been heard. And I don't really think Alex will respond to it.

[A]

It.

[B]

But I think maybe Sophia's sharing her side will show people things that they didn't think. And at the time, they thought she was just being, like, a stupid girl being, like, used by her boyfriend. Right. And I don't think that's what happened.

[A]

I don't think so either.

[B]

And, like, yeah, it was, like, kind

[A]

of like a tragedy.

[B]

It's a tragedy.

[A]

Her and her man, like, her man being like, oh, I wish I never helped these two.

[B]

Like, he was, like, was ruined.

[A]

He was a very successful executive at hbo, so he, like, worked in media. He knew the scene. He knew that, like, his girlfriend was getting robbed by this company. So he was like, yeah, sure, let me help you and your friend. The friend ends up, like, cutting a deal. Dave decides, like, not only is Sophia my enemy now, but her man is and was selling merch about him. He ended up losing his job, like, years later. I don't think it had to do with this, but, like, kind of like a very sad story.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For him, like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I think he's happy now. I think he's married.

[B]

And they, like, broke up.

[A]

Yeah, they broke up.

[B]

I mean, I don't really know how a relationship can, like, and it's just like.

[A]

But they did stay together for a while after. I'm curious if she'll talk about him in the book.

[B]

She has to.

[A]

I know, but I think she's like, I. I don't actually don't know this. Like, I just have a feeling like, maybe she feels like I dragged him into this, like, media storm once before. Like, let me let the man have

[B]

peace, but if it's for justice, maybe we can let the man have justice.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

You know? Yeah, I think she has to break. Otherwise, he stays. Like, he really can't get worse. For him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For suit man, the book doesn't come

[A]

out till November, so, like, okay, talk to you then.

[B]

Yeah, talk to you then. That's a really long time.

[A]

It's unfortunate.

[B]

You can buy it on Saturday for Ben. It could be his Saturday book. I think he will it.

[A]

I think you would like it too.

[B]

Oh, and title name. What do we rate it?

[A]

It's very good.

[B]

It is very good. Now, it's not Memoirs of a Daddy,

[A]

but I also think she talks about her upbringing. I believe she was raised by a single mom, so there's also, like, daddy issues. Of course. Call her daddy, but then also your father, I think. I think. Don't quote me on.

[B]

But I also want to say, like, if this were bought, like the name of a show. Daddy Issues, it's a slay.

[A]

Yeah. No, I think it has real potential. I. I imagine part of. Of her motivation for writing a book was having it be optioned, because that's, like, a thing now. You write a book and before it even comes out, somebody buys the rights to it. Because we're, like, big into book adaptations, and I'm sure when the idea was floated to her, that was, like, a huge part of it.

[B]

Somebody should buy the rights before it even comes out. Like, this will be a great show, period. Because it's an insane story. It's an insane story. I can't believe it hasn't been, like, fictionalized already.

[A]

It's so true. Like, the roof scene in. And it ends with us. The roof scene and dad James during

[B]

COVID But they went to get got together on a roof during COVID Are you guys not mad about that?

[A]

I'm cracking up. I didn't even realize it was a roof in Covid.

[B]

That's a roof in Covid. It was three strangers who were, like, sheltering, who were two.

[A]

I thought was just Alex at the meeting or Alex and Sophia.

[B]

Alex and Sophia and Dave and so hilarious. They were all quarantined in different places, and they got together from three different places.

[A]

Call the COVID police.

[B]

I think we need some retroactive cancellations.

[A]

Agreed it down. It's only right. It's only fair.

[B]

It's only fair. Are you ready for our next story, which is some more podcasting news?

[A]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[B]

Lil Dicky and Benny Blanco have a nude podcast. Yeah. And it's.

[A]

It's bad.

[B]

It's.

[A]

There was a video, like, going viral of Betty Blanco, like, farting into his

[B]

microphone and his feet up on the cow. His bare feet.

[A]

Yeah. The thing is, what I love about this industry is, like, the cream's going to rise. Right. I don't foresee this being the next Joe Rogan. Call her daddy the Ovon. And I know, you know, a running joke is like, don't give men podcast mics or they should make podcast equipment more expensive.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I've seen it. I see a lot. Anytime, like there's a stupid podcast that people comment, like tariff podcast.

[A]

It's like funny. But I actually like that it's such like an, a low lift accessible medium because, like, anyone can do it. That means anyone can be successful at it. So it's really talent based. Right. So these are two people with, you know, unlimited money for clips, editors, set building, audio engineers, and at the end of the day, if it sucks, it sucks no matter how much money or status you have. And I love that. Like, I love to see successful people fail. So I'm excited.

[B]

You know what's so interesting about this? Also, Lil's wife is a co host, the third co host, Kristen.

[A]

Does Selena, like, make an appearance?

[B]

I'm sure that she will, but their podcast, and it's called Friends Keep Secrets, it's, It's produced in partnership with Jay Shetty's podcast. Oh, and now that I'm thinking about it, remember when Selena and Benny went on Jay Shetty's podcast and it was like really great for Benny and like, I forgot that that's where I landed with Benny. Like, oh, this is like very cogent, like emotionally intelligent, romantic. Because then I just saw like this Farta palooza. Yeah, but going back before Farta Palooza, like, oh, he actually should have a podcast.

[A]

Right. He seemed like very smart and had. I forgot nice things to say.

[B]

I forgot. That was like, I guess a very fleeting feeling that I had when I saw.

[A]

It's funny that he went into business with Jay Shetty. Been like really overwhelmingly a positive thing for him.

[B]

Yeah. But it's like, doesn't he produce every major song?

[A]

This is just a hobby. This is not a money making venture. Benny Blanco is just fine yet.

[B]

But it's like, this is a very time consuming hobby. Like, why does everyone want to do this?

[A]

People don't think it's time consuming.

[B]

That's why.

[A]

But it's, I guess if you have like unlimited resources and you don't need to book your own guests, edit your own episodes, make your own clips, like have any part in it other than sitting down for 60 minutes. Most people who start podcasts are very involved in, no matter how resources they have, are very involved in the strategy of the podcast. But if, like, if someone's producing it for you, you literally just show up once a week for an hour. Fine. Like, that's, I think, what Amy Poehler does, you know? Like, she has a great team around her.

[B]

Yeah. But I could also see why, for Amy Poehler, like, starting a podcast is the next logical step in her career. Do you know what I mean?

[A]

Like, no, actually, if I was Amy Poehler, like, I wouldn't have done a podcast. But that's why I'm wrong.

[B]

What would you do? Like, more shows and movies?

[A]

Well, first of all, I don't think she needs to do anything. I think, like, there are a couple of things that I don't think is the devil's work.

[B]

Work, too.

[A]

Of course I'm talking about financial. Right. So, like, now it's like, what are you interested in? I don't know.

[B]

I. I.

[A]

When she started a podcast, I was like, okay, like, kind of, like, corny, you know?

[B]

No, but a comedian starting a podcast, like, yeah, makes sense. Yeah. Like, you have stuff to say.

[A]

But I don't think of her so much as a comedian. I think of her more as, like, Tina Fey. Right.

[B]

Comedy.

[A]

Yeah, but, like, they're writers. Yeah, they do comedy, but, like, they're writers. They're producers. They create. Like, they're more like bts.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So if. If Tina Fey started podcast today, I'd be like, okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know. It didn't seem like an obvious choice for me.

[B]

I feel like Tina Fey is about to start a podcast.

[A]

Oh, really? It would. It would seem like she was just copying Tina.

[B]

It's, like, not her. Because I remember when she said she hates when, like, celebrities, like, have work outside of their acting thing. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's kind of mean, but it's like, yeah, it was mean, but it's like, oh, I'm not talking about you, you, or you.

[A]

Yeah, Right. Like, meanwhile, Once Upon a Farm just, like, got acquired or went public or something for, like, like, over a billion dollars. Right.

[B]

Not enough.

[A]

Not enough.

[B]

It's not enough money. Give them more money. I agree. Like, what a sleigh.

[A]

Yeah. And actually, when I was at Target yesterday, I was in, like, the baby section. All the pouches were, like, out on the shelf.

[B]

Not refrigerated.

[A]

Not refrigerated. It's. I mean, I. Now I'm shelf stable. I'm used to just refrigerated, because once upon a farm, I think that's really crazy.

[B]

Yeah, it's crazy to think about shelf stable.

[A]

Like, would you eat a piece of fruit that was sitting on.

[B]

Well, dried fruit would sit on the shelf. Oh, so there are ways of like, I mean, it's not like there's nothing wrong with it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But like, fresh.

[A]

Fresh is best.

[B]

Fresh is best. Are you ready for our next story? A little fresh news. Kim Kardashian is joining energy drink brand Update as a co founder. So Kim Kardashian has taken a new brand under her entrepreneurial belt. She is now the co founder of the. The Parazine thine powered energy drink brand Update, founded in 2022 by Daniel Solomons. So Update is an energy drink that does not have caffeine, does not have alcohol, and it's an energy drink.

[A]

I'm suffused by this, like, Update. I know that Kim is like, constantly working. That's like her thing. Right. Meanwhile, like, skims is like, enough to pay the bills and then some. Like, she's a billionaire many times over because. Because of Skips. Like, okay. Like, I'm just like, I'm fatigued by this. Like, I got it with Kylie too, when Kylie did Sprinter, which was just so inauthentic.

[B]

Like, but to me, this tells me. This seems to tell me that Sprinter is a success. This looks like sprinter. It feels like Sprinter. Now Kim wants a sprinter.

[A]

I've never seen anyone drinking a Sprinter.

[B]

No, me neither. But that's like, look, the Sprinter.

[A]

Yes, they do.

[B]

So it makes me feel like, oh, being in the beverage industry is a success for the girls. Eight, one, eight two. Yes. Because what is. What does this do?

[A]

Is she.

[B]

So she had an Update once and she said, oh, my gosh, I have to get involved.

[A]

Although I heard something about 818 from somebody really in the know, but they had gotten like, an acquisition offer for like, under a billion dollars. I think it was like 750 million. And they didn't take it because they, you know, the Kardashians are obsessed with the BA alien and that was the number that they were going for. And now the value, like, and that was at the peak of the company. It's kind of like on. Not on its way down, but it's has stabilized. And so I actually don't think, like, all in all, that was a good decision.

[B]

That's crazy. I feel like there has to be more to that story.

[A]

Well, it's just what I heard from someone, like, in the know.

[B]

Update.

[A]

Yeah, Update. Like, okay.

[B]

She said she first discovered Update three years ago. She said immediately aligned with how I think about wellness and energy.

[A]

Yeah. I saw this video she put out and, like, my eyes just rolled so far to the back of my head. Said, I'm sure it's a good brand. Like she does her vet rigorously. Yes. In energy. Energy drinks are so bad for you, but for a lot of people, they're so necessary. So I feel like a lot of our, you know, a lot it's a trend now. Like, you know, better energy. I feel like we have a lot of like Neuro Government Mints, one of our sponsors. Like it's a very trendy thing now to try and find like caffeine alternatives, beverage, sugary drinks alternatives. So she's on the. On trend. I'm sure it's good, but it's just like an eye roll. Wait, it's like enough.

[B]

I'm a little influenced. She said I'm someone who moves at a really intense pace space but still prioritizes focus, balance and what I put in my body. Same for me. I would say the energy category can feel loud. And Update offers something different, a more intentional approach designed for sustaining energy. It became part of my routine very naturally.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I think it's, you know, you look at the success of like Celsius, literally the biggest brand and Celsius is so good. It's crap. Like the stuff inside of it.

[B]

Like not as crappy as the other Red Bull.

[A]

No, Celsius was like a better alternative to Red Bull. So we're all, all trending upward. Right. And so this is just a very on trend.

[B]

I need to see a picture of Daniel Solomons.

[A]

Yeah, I was saying the same thing. A nice Jewish man for.

[B]

For Chloe.

[A]

Yeah. Or for Kim. Was she dating Lewis Hamilton?

[B]

Oh, yeah. She's not interested in Daniel Solomons, but for Chloe. I love it.

[A]

He's so cute. Yeah.

[B]

Should. Should he be businessman of the week?

[A]

But he hasn't done anything.

[B]

He roped Kim into being a part of this.

[A]

I'm sorry, you don't go from the CEO of Hermes and MGM grand to like some random.

[B]

I need to know more about, like his personal.

[A]

If Daniel Solomons comes across our desk one more time in an organic way, then he could be bmotw.

[B]

Let me, like, look, I'm not willing

[A]

to give up on Axel Dumois yet. I'm still waiting for my birthday.

[B]

Maybe look at his ex account. Like, does he. Has he been to a Kelly Clarkson concert recently? Like, what's he up to in his personal.

[A]

If Daniel Solomons has been to a Kelly Clarkson concert, then yes, he could be businessman of the week. Week.

[B]

I have to look at his link. See, I looked.

[A]

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[B]

Our next story, the Rock and Roll hall of fame. 17 nominees for 2026.

[A]

I know that we, like, never, like, know who they are, so.

[B]

Well, we know some of them. Okay, should I start with ones we know or just go in order of this list?

[A]

In order.

[B]

The Black Crows.

[A]

I've heard of them.

[B]

Jeff Buckley.

[A]

Oh, my God. He wrote Hallelujah. My favorite song.

[B]

Mariah Carey. Okay.

[A]

Rock and roll queen.

[B]

Phil Collins.

[A]

My God, we were just talking about him.

[B]

Melissa Etheridge.

[A]

Lesbian queen.

[B]

Lauryn Hill, Queen.

[A]

Oh. For my favorite movie. Okay, now I'll be knowing everyone.

[B]

First of all, Billy Idol. Not Billy Joel and not Billy Armstrong.

[A]

Right? Not American Idiot. Okay.

[B]

Billy Crystal. Yeah, Right.

[A]

Not any of the Billies that we know.

[B]

The Idol one.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

In six I N X s. In six, I'm gonna say.

[A]

Oh, in six. Okay. I don't know them.

[B]

Iron Maiden. I used to have a shirt.

[A]

Oh, yeah, of course, the shirt.

[B]

Yeah. Joy Division slash New Order. Love that. New edition. That sounds familiar.

[A]

No, it doesn't.

[B]

Oasis Tell Ben. Oasis. They sing wonderful.

[A]

Anyway, here's Wonderwall.

[B]

Anyway, here's Wonderwall Pink.

[A]

Oh, my God. Wait, is there gonna be there? Because I know Taylor Swift performed at the induction for someone. Will you still love me tomorrow? So I imagine there's like a party ceremony where people sing. We get covers, like, very. Like when someone gets honored at the Kennedy center and, like, everybody shows up to cover their music. Sick. Which I know is painful for the person sitting there. So I hope we get, like, Pink. And I feel like Kelly Clarkson would show up to sing for Pink.

[B]

You think so? Are they that close?

[A]

They're not very close, but they're musicians who respect one another and their joint cover of. That's all I know so far.

[B]

That's all I know.

[A]

And Pink is wearing, like, AirPods as earrings. Is one of, like, that YouTube video is most watched in my.

[B]

You know who I feel like will show up for Pink as a tribute. Cute. Who's just showing up? I think it's such a good call, but I don't think you're gonna get.

[A]

Who?

[B]

John Legend.

[A]

Is that a good call?

[B]

It's just like, he just shows up.

[A]

He is a kind of the tribute guy.

[B]

He's like the go to guy.

[A]

The go to, like, tributarian.

[B]

Yeah, he's very, like, tribute fine with everyone. Yeah.

[A]

And he, like, covers, like, a wide range of music. I think people really respect him in the industry, so that's a good call.

[B]

Anyway, here's John Legend.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Like, when in doubt, John Legend. Like, no one's gonna be mad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No one's gonna be, like, so freaking excited. Yeah. It's just a safe choice.

[A]

Yeah. I like that.

[B]

Sade.

[A]

Oh, we're not done with the list.

[B]

No, there's Sade.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Shakira.

[A]

Oh, baby, when you talk like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's the thing I love about the Rock and Roll Music hall of Fame. It's like even rock and roll, not just to be, you know, anchored by the boundaries of genre, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That Luther Vandross dance with my father again.

[B]

And who will show up to tribute him?

[A]

Who was just talking about him?

[B]

You?

[A]

Oh, no, I thought they were talking about him in, like, one of the Real Housewives. Maybe I'm making that up.

[B]

Oh, who? Luther Vandross.

[A]

I don't know. Maybe.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Because we were just talking about Luther Vandross. Oh, because Cher said Luther Vandross instead of Martin Luther when she announced at the Grammys that Sia and Kendrick Lamar won.

[B]

Oh, that's funny.

[A]

Bring Cher.

[B]

Bring Cher.

[A]

That's why we were just talking about Martin Luther.

[B]

Luther Vandross.

[A]

Yes. Thank you.

[B]

But you just sang that song.

[A]

Because we were just talking.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

Dance with my father again.

[B]

That's beautiful. But didn't Ruben Stutter singing on American Idol?

[A]

Probably, and I love that.

[B]

So he should do the tribute.

[A]

Okay, sure.

[B]

And I was saying. We were just talking about Ruben Stutter.

[A]

Yes, we were, but you're off base. Like, we were talking. Okay. Three.

[B]

Okay. We talked about. I just. I thought we were, like, more simpatico than we are, that's all.

[A]

You're not simpatico with the facts right now. Like, we were told I sang that song because of Cher.

[B]

When I said who should tribute him, we were just talking about him. I meant the person who we should. We were just talking about the person.

[A]

I thought you meant we were just talking about Luther Vandross.

[B]

No, I meant we should. We were just talking to the person who should tribute.

[A]

Yes, Ruben Sender did sing that. Not chilling.

[B]

Chilling. And when he comes on our podcast where we interview people.

[A]

Oh, and I just want to say the name of the podcast is Namesake. Yeah. Yeah. Write it down.

[B]

It's beautiful.

[A]

Yeah. You don't even need to write it down.

[B]

And maybe it's like a miniseries, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like a moment in time. I don't think we can, like, go on forever.

[A]

No. Oh, my God. I could see us, like, starting to dread it.

[B]

And Wuang Clan. Now, these are nominees. Oh, so some of them have already been nominated.

[A]

Oh, so you don't automatically get in.

[B]

No.

[A]

Sucks.

[B]

Yeah. So they have to work for it.

[A]

Okay. Start. Get to work.

[B]

And maybe you have to be nominated, like, multiple times, you know? Yep. But good luck to the candidates. Go off Kings and queens.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[A]

I'm trying to think of what movie I'm quoting. Oh, it's Friends.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

When, like, Phoebe's just, like, good luck to you. Sorry. Continue.

[B]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Little Summer house programming news. Because the summer house world is about to get even bigger as truly original plots. Next steps.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

So as we know, Summer House is spinning off into the city, but they are also looking for summer houses of other locations. They are trying to, like, like, build out the summer house.

[A]

They are currently kind of what Jersey Shore tried to do with Florabama Shore.

[B]

Yeah. They are currently searching for locations for new iterations of Summer House itself. The show has a very specific architecture in terms of its narrative. So finding that is what we're Endeavoring to do. There are actually two potential places that we're looking at. So once we find a place where the architecture is correct, we'll begin the casting process.

[A]

Didn't they do this Martha's Vineyard?

[B]

Yeah, they did. So you need a. They said you need a place that people go on the weekends, then come back to their own city life. And it has to extend over a summer in order to make the storytelling compelling. It can't be a week or 10 days. That won't work.

[A]

I only know, like, what people do in the Tri State area. So I know Nantucket. I know the Jersey Shore, which obviously they cannot do. I know the Hamptons. So people who live in, like, other parts of the country, like, chime in. Where do people go on the weekends in the summer?

[B]

Well, first of all, they could do the Jersey Shore. It was.

[A]

Good luck to you.

[B]

Good luck to them. But, like, it's slayed.

[A]

No, but I actually would find it, like, disrespectful.

[B]

Yeah, but they could do, like, Jersey Shore. Tom's River. Like, they could call. Yeah, Jersey Shore. What is the one?

[A]

Long Beach. Long Branch?

[B]

No, but also, like, Long Island Beach.

[A]

You know what they should do?

[B]

What's that one called? Long Island Beach. Long Beach Island. Thank you.

[A]

Okay, but if they're really looking for, like, niche, they should do deal. Like, Monmouth County. That's where, like, a lot of, like, very wealthy people go over the summer. And it's like, it's not a real place. They should do deal.

[B]

They should do Nantucket.

[A]

They should. Even though that's not. You don't go back. You have to fly to Nantucket.

[B]

That's true. You don't go on the weekends.

[A]

And why are they obsessed with the whole going back on the week thing?

[B]

Because I think that they don't. They like this format for some.

[A]

I think it's like, a flaw in the format is that people always have to go back to the city. And that's why I've always felt that they should cast people who can work from anywhere. And after Covid, like, a lot of these people could have worked from anywhere. So they're all, like, in the house all week. Like, having to work. Like, that's more interesting, I guess.

[B]

But it would be a lot of There can't party. Like, I mean, I guess that's why

[A]

Jersey Shore was so good. Like, you're stuck in the same house with the same people.

[B]

But I guess they're not trying to recreate Jersey Shore. They're limiting into the weekends where like, everyone gives everything that they have. Have they get to like. I think the format, like, works for.

[A]

I think it's a flaw.

[B]

I think. No, I. I think that it's good for this show. Like, there's Jersey Shore. There's a. How there's real world where people live in a house together. And then there's this.

[A]

I think in Texas, there's like a lot of lake towns that people go to. Like, remember on real houses of Dallas, they would go to Brandy and Stephanie's lake house.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like, what's that?

[B]

Yeah. Or like in la, where do people do they go to?

[A]

Tahoe, Santa Barbara, but not for the week. There's not like a culture where you have like a summer house because like LA's it's always summer, I guess because

[B]

the city is where you really have to get out of the city. Other people don't. They have pools. Even if they live in an apartment. Like, their apartment building has pools amenities in New York, like, you need to touch grass. Literally.

[A]

Yeah. And I think it's similar in like Austin and Dallas where there are a lot of like, lake towns nearby.

[B]

Interesting. Yeah. Where people go every weekend. But I do think, like down the shore, Long Beach Island.

[A]

Yeah. You're gonna get the most characters in Jersey.

[B]

Yeah. But that is like anywhere where New Yorkers go. Yeah.

[A]

So I'm saying, are they just continuing to do the tri State area?

[B]

They didn't say.

[A]

And I'm curious.

[B]

I think that's interesting. I'm open and I watched a lot of Summer House. I didn't finish the episode. It was a. Whatever episode. They had like a singles event for Ben, the Australian. Lindsay came. She came to the event. Her and Ben are like, flirting.

[A]

Is that her first?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

Where is she?

[B]

And then she came to the.

[A]

I'm like, more inclined. I'm so over summer House. I just want to say sorry until, like, it's like bopping so hard. Everybody's like, I need you to watch it. I haven't really heard much.

[B]

You don't need to watch it right now. Nothing's really happening except like, Jesse asked West if he could hook up with Sierra.

[A]

Oh, and what did he say?

[B]

He was like, shook. And he said in front of all the other boys too. And I think, like, west is feeling like, no, that's really like. Jesse and Sierra are in bed together every episode. Like, cuddling, recapping, like being best friends. So their closeness, like, wouldn't they.

[A]

Wouldn't even.

[B]

They couldn't even be possibly closer. Like, who Cares if they kiss at this point. They're literally so close.

[A]

Yeah. Like, Jesse's a crazy person.

[B]

Jesse is a crazy person. But I also feel like Wes, like, after the way that he went about his business, like, he's not allowed to stand in the way. I know that, like, technically it's bro code, whatever, but, like, he just can't stand in the way.

[A]

I think if he said yes, it would really hurt Sierra's feelings.

[B]

Oh, true. But I don't know why Sierra doesn't love Jesse back. Like, they are so.

[A]

Well, I hope she doesn't love Jesse back because, like, seriously, this girl needs to learn her lesson. Like, she needs to stop hooking up with.

[B]

Well, maybe that's why she doesn't love her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Back. But I think she, like, does love him back. They're very, very.

[A]

But if she is gonna hook up with someone, like, it should be Carl. Like, honestly, his desperate plea last summer was so sad. And he's, like, the only one. Like, while I don't find him attractive or think he would be, like, a good partner for, he's the only one who's, like, not a. Like a dick. Like, he's the only one actually looking

[B]

for a relationship, though. Jesse says he's looking for a relationship.

[A]

Oh, please.

[B]

Yeah, please.

[A]

I actually can't take him.

[B]

Yeah, but it's like, you had one last summer, and you.

[A]

And it was a great one.

[B]

You loved her. So, like, what? No, you weren't.

[A]

So you're not.

[B]

You were not serious.

[A]

What was the other thing I was gonna say? Oh, so, yeah, I'm not watching somewhere else. Although I did see, like, a big conversation. Maybe it was a week or two ago about, like, Amanda smoking pot, which I thought, like, actually might have been interesting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can you explain it to me?

[B]

So, yeah, so Kyle, of course, you know, in the wrong capacity, shares with the group, the boys, because Amanda wasn't there hearing the conversation until she, like, walked in. That.

[A]

That's not good.

[B]

Like, he's talking about intimacy issues in their relationship and that Amanda smokes pot every night that she has for two years. So it's like, they don't really get down because, like, she. She's high every night. And when would they be able to do that? Which was just, like, really disrespectful that he shared that with this bunch of, like, randos, including some new people.

[A]

Was Amanda upset? Because is that, like, was he, like, was he misrepresenting, like, that She's.

[B]

Did she disagree? No. So she then hears, like, she Walks into the conversation, she can tell they're all talking about her. So she now knows, like, they were talking about her and like their sex life, which is so, so not so like. Yeah, he thoroughly. He was drunk when he said it, but he like, it ruined their week. They didn't talk all week. The next weekend they had to have a big fight. Right. He apologized in front of the whole table for having said that to everyone. But Amanda's like, you still haven't apologized to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Going about it wrong. But then the next week they were talking and she was like, you act like I'm at high every night, but I don't smoke until I take the dogs out. So that's like after 10. Like you can hang out with me before that. But not denying that she doesn't. That she smokes every single night and

[A]

that doesn't leave room for intimacy. Yeah, well, obviously, like she's running away from him. So like the pot is not really the problem. It's like, why am I smoking this pot? Oh, because I don't want to be with you. Like. Yeah, yeah. But bringing it up in front of everyone, that's really bad.

[B]

Yeah, it was just like they just keep.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

One another. What were they up last?

[A]

Did they introduce anybody new? Cuz I remember there were new girls.

[B]

Two new girls, Bailey and Levi.

[A]

Is there like a makeup girl?

[B]

A makeup girl?

[A]

I saw this girl on my tik tok when they announced like new people, she was like, yeah, it's me. And she was like doing her makeup. She was like a tik tokker who does makeup.

[B]

It wasn't Bailey. This is not a. None of them are tik tocker who does makeup as far as I know.

[A]

What tick tock Did I say?

[B]

Oh, Dara. We just met Dara.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

She is an influencer.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

She is very beautiful. Yeah. She just came to west, invited her to the singles event as everyone had to bring a single. So he was like, we used to hook up and I'm bringing her because it didn't work out or whatever. And someone thought that was we. Amanda was like feeling like you're bringing her around to like hook up with her again. Like in front of Ciara. Don't do it. But I don't think that's the case. And I do.

[A]

In front of Ciara. I thought we've moved on from that.

[B]

No, I know, but if he's bringing someone who he like has he. He can't hook up with anyone in the house.

[A]

Why?

[B]

He just can that's just.

[A]

No, I don't agree. We're talking about Sierra and Jesse hooking up.

[B]

But Sierra's injured party. She could do what she wants.

[A]

No, I'm sorry. People are allowed to break up with other people and then still hook up.

[B]

But no, even. But even last summer, like, when he was like. And last summer he was in jail. Fine.

[A]

He had to act right. But, like, he's allowed to live.

[B]

I don't know if they're going to. Like, they say he's on probation.

[A]

No, I'm sorry.

[B]

Like, he's out of jail.

[A]

I'm sorry. He didn't even do anything that.

[B]

Out of jail. He's on probate. Last summer he was in jail. This summer he's on purpose.

[A]

Last summer he was in jail because he got famous and gave a really weird article interview and broke up with Sierra. He was allowed to break up with Sierra, but he wasn't allowed to talk about it. And so, yes, you're in jail and you have to act right for a summer. The cuffs are off. I'm sorry. Like, this is ridiculous.

[B]

But anyways, I don't think him and Dara are. He said in his interview he's like, I'm friends with a lot of my exes. Like, they're really cool people. That's why I like them to begin with. Like, it doesn't mean we can't have, like, a friendship. And I think based on the previews, she has something going on with someone else in the house.

[A]

Okay, good, good.

[B]

But, yeah, she seems. She seems cool. We didn't get to know much of her yet.

[A]

Got it. Okay. Because I had seen a tick tock.

[B]

And then, boys, we have Ben, the Australian, who was also the Bachelor of Australia.

[A]

Oh, he was on the Bachelor.

[B]

He was on the Bachelor.

[A]

Oh, you're kidding.

[B]

And he's really cute, and I think he must be, like, so charming. Charming. Because the way they talk about him. Oh, my gosh. Kj who's also really cute. He's a friend of West's.

[A]

I think I met him in the first episode. Skateboarder.

[B]

Skateboard model.

[A]

Yeah, whatever.

[B]

Skateboarder slash model. And I think that's it for the boys right now. All right. Plus the usual suspects, but no, last night, like, nothing really that major happened. Just like Wes, Jesse, Kenny hook up with Sierra. And then I think, like, Wes is going to identify like, that he still has feelings for Sierra.

[A]

Okay. I. I kind of am rooting for them. You are? Yeah. Like, they were like a real couple. And, like, the fact that he just got famous, like, so quickly, I think really messed with his head, and he handled it like an extremely immature man would do.

[B]

And then we need, like.

[A]

And I, like, I give Grace because I do feel he was like. Like, I don't. I believe his feelings for Sierra were really genuine.

[B]

Yeah. But his, like, desire to meet girls that watch.

[A]

I could. I could get him thinking, like, this is only gonna happen to me once. And. And I could see, like, somebody who

[B]

was, like, right person, wrong time.

[A]

He's not, like, the smartest guy ever. Like, I could see some, like, him making a mistake like that.

[B]

That.

[A]

And if she wants to forgive him, like, I'm. I'll allow Grace for that, but if she doesn't want to forgive him, I allow Grace for that, too.

[B]

Oh, okay. Very interesting. Yeah.

[A]

Because I felt like at the time, like, they were a really nice couple. Like, and I felt like it was

[B]

real, but now, like, Jesse is kind of in the way.

[A]

I think Jesse is a crazy person. Like, nobody should be with him. He's crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you didn't see what he did to Lexi last summer and want nothing to do with him, oh, my God. I would never be with someone like that. Like, honestly, what he did to Lexi was borderline evil. Like, I.

[B]

Like you didn't.

[A]

You literally forced her into a relationship and then did not protect her on tv. Like, yucky.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Any girl who sees that is, like, yeah, that's my man. And, like, whatever happens to you is on.

[B]

You gaslit her into thinking, like, you and Sierra are brother and sister, and now you want to kiss your sister.

[A]

Jesse showed women everywhere who he is last season. Whoever he dates next.

[B]

People didn't.

[A]

What happens to you, you is on. You.

[B]

People don't see it that way.

[A]

Okay, fine. So you date him. See what happens.

[B]

Yeah, no, I. I'm with you. He's crazy, and he keeps saying in his confessionals like, he's looking for a relationship.

[A]

Liar.

[B]

He wants something serious. And west is the one who doesn't want that.

[A]

Wrong. Because Wes. Wes can be tied down by the right woman.

[B]

You think so?

[A]

I do. Jesse's crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe I will start watching, even though it sounds like my opinions are, like, not going to be liked.

[B]

Yeah, I'll let you know when it, like, picks up a little bit.

[A]

I'm sick of my opinions not being liked. You know what I mean? Like. Like.

[B]

Yeah, I don't.

[A]

Why is whatever I think about a show, like, always the hot take?

[B]

I just feel like we really.

[A]

We're elevated.

[B]

We see Beneath the surface.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Maybe because we're like, in the industry. Like, and we know we have extra,

[A]

like, life experience colors our opinions. I'm just, like, sick of it. People like G, once again, Jackie and Claudia with a bad take. Like, what show are you guys watching? Like, I feel crazy.

[B]

Yeah, maybe I won't watch. But that's it. That's your show.

[A]

Yeah, it was a good one. That's our show.

[B]

We did it.

[A]

It for you.

[B]

For you.

[A]

Thank you guys for listening to the Toast. The Millennial morning show where we deliver the fastest stories that you need to everybody. I like how we've become the Millennial morning show again. Like our episodes. We are a morning show now.

[B]

We're so early now. I like that. Yeah.

[A]

I think, like, of course we want to be earlier when we were in our 20s, like, we couldn't be the morning show. Like, I'm sorry. But now I feel like we're back. We're sitting at a desk. Like, we're back to being a morning show. Yeah, we haven't like, really taken that on yet and digested that. That it's just a commitment.

[B]

It took us a while to shed it. We literally changed the name of the show.

[A]

I know. Go back.

[B]

No, no. I think, like, this was so freeing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

And like, some days we can't be

[B]

the morning and we are like, just the toast.

[A]

Like. Yes, But I.

[B]

We're the toast of the town.

[A]

I think it's exciting that we've sort of reverted back to the original form of our show.

[B]

Like sitting at desks, being dropping in the morning and being news based and factual. As always.

[A]

As always, thank you guys so much for listening to the trust in the line I'm running. Sure we deliver The Fastest Friday, YouTube watching us on YouTube subscribe, Spotify and Stitch Republic Radio place down to we are.

[B]

Love ya. Bye.

[A]

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