National Toast Day: Thursday, February 27th, 2025

Summary

Podcast Title: The Toast
Host/Author: Dear Media
Episode: National Toast Day: Thursday, February 27th, 2025
Release Date: February 27, 2025

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Introduction

On the February 27th, 2025 episode of The Toast, hosts Jackie and Claudia Oshry celebrate National Toast Day while diving into a myriad of contemporary topics. From personal projects to notable celebrity news, the episode is a blend of light-hearted banter and serious discussions, all delivered with the hosts' characteristic humor and insight.

Launching Their Musical Journey

The episode kicks off with Jackie and Claudia sharing exciting news about their foray into music. They announce the "executive decision" to upload their theme song to Spotify, marking the beginning of what they believe will be a "beautiful musical journey" for them.

Claudia Oshry [01:19]: "We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast."

Jackie Oshry [01:25]: "We have our own official artist page. I did the whole thing."

They discuss the potential of releasing original music covers and highlight their preparedness with an artist page, a producer, a songwriter named Becca, and a distribution channel. This move signifies their ambition to expand The Toast brand beyond podcasting.

National Toast Day and Chili Day

Transitioning to the day's significance, the hosts acknowledge National Toast Day and its coinciding celebration with National Chili Day. They humorously critique the proliferation of national days, labeling them "the lowest form of human communication" yet recognizing their impact on social media and content creation.

Claudia Oshry [02:10]: "It's National Toast Day, which also coincides quite poetically with National Chili Day."

Jackie and Claudia engage in a playful discussion about a Lifetime-sponsored short film titled "It All Happens on National Margarita Day", sponsored by Chili's, pondering whether it's a spoof or a genuine project.

Celebrity News: Tragic Losses

The conversation shifts to somber news as the hosts mourn the untimely deaths of beloved celebrities.

Michelle Trachtenberg

Michelle Trachtenberg, known for her roles in Gossip Girl, Harriet the Spy, and Euro Trip, was found deceased at the age of 39. Claudia shares her personal connection to Trachtenberg, expressing deep sadness over her loss.

Claudia Oshry [25:03]: "She literally raised us from like Harriet the Spy up until Gossip Girl."

Jackie adds her reflections on Trachtenberg's impact, highlighting her vibrant personality and the void her passing leaves in the entertainment world.

Gene Hackman and Betsy Arakawa

The legendary actor Gene Hackman, along with his wife Betsy Arakawa and their dog, were found dead in their New Mexico home. While the police have not ruled out foul play, suspicions lean towards carbon monoxide poisoning. The hosts express their disbelief and sadness over Hackman's passing, reminiscing about his illustrious career.

Jackie Oshry [33:00]: "He really."

Claudia Oshry [33:25]: "She looks different. She really did it all."

They pay tribute to Hackman's memorable performances and lament the loss of such an esteemed actor.

Space Endeavors: Blue Origin's All-Women Mission

Shifting gears to a more upbeat topic, Jackie and Claudia discuss Blue Origin's upcoming mission, which features an all-women crew including pop icon Katy Perry, journalist Gayle King, and Lauren Sanchez, Jeff Bezos's fiancée. They delve into the implications of billionaires' participation in space travel, debating the motivations behind such ventures.

Claudia Oshry [34:07]: "All these billionaires, it's the space race, they're all getting up there doing their thing."

The hosts critically analyze Jeff Bezos's involvement, suggesting that his motives may be more about maintaining status than genuine passion for space exploration.

Claudia Oshry [36:49]: "He wants to be a billionaire. He does it for really, like, shallow reasons."

Hollywood Glamor: Oscar Nominees' Luxury Gift Bags

The episode continues with an exposé on the lavish goodie bags awarded to Oscar nominees. Jackie and Claudia list the extravagant items included, such as home renovation services, luxury resort stays, wellness retreats, and high-end skincare products.

Jackie Oshry [39:30]: "Oscar nominees this year will receive an array of luxury products and services including a complimentary home renovation project management from Mason Construction."

They humorously speculate whether these perks extend to all nominees or exclusively to actors, highlighting the disparity between different roles within the industry.

Animated Parenting: Peppa Pig's Mummy Pig is Expecting

In a lighter segment, the hosts share delightful news for the younger audience: Mummy Pig from the beloved animated series Peppa Pig is expecting her third child with Daddy Pig. They discuss the significance of such milestones in animated shows and its positive impact on young viewers.

Claudia Oshry [46:12]: "Mummy Pig is expecting baby number three with Daddy Pig. So it is."

Jackie and Claudia appreciate the show's role in exemplifying healthy family dynamics, using it as a tool to discuss real-life parenting challenges.

Reality Television Recap: Bravo's Summer House

The latter part of the episode is dedicated to a detailed recap and analysis of Bravo's reality show Summer House. The hosts dissect the interpersonal dynamics, focusing on conflicts such as the tension between Kyle and Paige, and the introduction of new cast members like Emerald and Danielle.

Claudia Oshry [51:11]: "Paige questioning that, like, never stop asking why."

Jackie and Claudia critique the power imbalances within the cast, especially highlighting Kyle's influence and its impact on other members' actions and relationships. They delve into the complexities of maintaining friendships and professional relationships on reality TV, emphasizing the challenges faced by members like Paige who stand up against unfair treatment.

Claudia Oshry [55:13]: "She is powerful."

The discussion extends to the broader implications of such reality shows on viewers' perceptions of relationships and personal boundaries.

Closing Thoughts

As the episode winds down, Jackie and Claudia touch upon the upcoming schedule of television shows and podcasts they plan to explore in future episodes, maintaining their blend of humor and critical analysis.

Claudia Oshry [67:05]: "He's not a worthy adversary for her."

The hosts conclude with enthusiasm for upcoming episodes and reaffirm their commitment to delivering engaging and insightful content to their listeners.

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Notable Quotes:

• Claudia Oshry [01:19]: "We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast."
• Jackie Oshry [01:25]: "We have our own official artist page. I did the whole thing."
• Claudia Oshry [34:07]: "All these billionaires, it's the space race, they're all getting up there doing their thing."
• Jackie Oshry [39:30]: "Oscar nominees this year will receive an array of luxury products and services..."
• Claudia Oshry [46:12]: "Mummy Pig is expecting baby number three with Daddy Pig. So it is."
• Jackie Oshry [51:11]: "Paige questioning that, like, never stop asking why."
• Claudia Oshry [55:13]: "She is powerful."
• Claudia Oshry [67:05]: "He's not a worthy adversary for her."

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This episode of The Toast encapsulates Jackie and Claudia's ability to balance celebratory announcements with thoughtful discussions on current events, celebrity news, and popular culture, all while maintaining an engaging and relatable tone for their audience.

Transcript

[Claudia Oshry]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's your favorite show.

[Jackie Oshry]

The Fast 5 things you need to know.

[Claudia Oshry]

We'll start your day off swirly. It's the Toast.

[Jackie Oshry]

I sound amazing. I do sound amazing.

[Claudia Oshry]

If you're not swirling your finger in the air when you hear, we'll start your day off swirly. I don't know.

[Jackie Oshry]

Living life to the fullest.

[Claudia Oshry]

1,000%. Welcome back to the toast. Hey, Jacks, how you doing?

[Jackie Oshry]

Hey, Claire. I'm good. Happy to be back at the Toast with you. We've got a lot to do today. I'm, like, very excited for a lot of things to talk about. Watch Summer house last night.

[Claudia Oshry]

Me too.

[Jackie Oshry]

Endeavored to watch a little more lib. Didn't happen. Really.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

It happened happen in a meaningful way devoid of meaning.

[Claudia Oshry]

I, too, have a lot of things I need to cover. I actually wrote them down and a little note on my phone. Okay. One Summer House. Obviously, we both watched. Not us like, being the main characters. That's one, two. I wanted to update everyone. Jackie and I have made the executive decision to upload our theme song to Spotify.

[Jackie Oshry]

I really, like, I pushed and pushed because I need it on repeat.

[Claudia Oshry]

It has on its way. Two to five business days, they say. So just monitor that. We'll let you guys know. Your kids can listen to it in the car. And I do think that this is the beginning of, like, a beautiful musical journey for us because now that we have, like, and we have our own official, like, artist page, I did the whole thing. So once we have our own page on Spotify, like, what's stopping us from releasing original music covers? Things of that.

[Jackie Oshry]

We have an artist page. We have a producer.

[Claudia Oshry]

We have.

[Jackie Oshry]

We have a songwriter. Becca.

[Claudia Oshry]

We have a distribution channel. Like, what. What are we doing?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, we also. We have original songs. We've been working on our songwriting for years.

[Claudia Oshry]

I keep running away with you to dance with your heart. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

We'll have to go back to that episode to hear this original song that we wrote.

[Claudia Oshry]

So that was the first thing. The second thing was. I don't know if you know what today is.

[Jackie Oshry]

Do you know Thursday is February 27th? Did we say, like, something like a year ago? Remind us.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no, no, no.

[Jackie Oshry]

The day before February 28th.

[Claudia Oshry]

No.

[Jackie Oshry]

What is it?

[Claudia Oshry]

It's National Toast Day.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, my gosh.

[Claudia Oshry]

Which also coincides quite poetically with National Chili Day.

[Jackie Oshry]

We're living in a simulation now.

[Claudia Oshry]

I think that, like, national days are, like, the Lowest form of human communication.

[Jackie Oshry]

They're the of content.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Like, when I was a social media intern, my job was, like, literally making graphics for, like, National Margarita Day.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, when you work in social media, national days, like, are your.

[Claudia Oshry]

Are your bread and butter saving grace?

[Jackie Oshry]

There's nothing better than a National Margarita Day.

[Claudia Oshry]

And the websites that, like, what's the word I'm looking for? Aggregate all the days. So, like, you could just pull up, be like, all right, what should I do for work today? Oh, it's National Lemons Day.

[Jackie Oshry]

National Muffins Day.

[Claudia Oshry]

But it is National Toast Day. And if we're not going to acknowledge that, like, who will?

[Jackie Oshry]

That's so true. And if we're not going to acknowledge a National Chili Day, like, literally, who would?

[Claudia Oshry]

Right?

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I did want to acknowledge the space that we are in and, you know, kind of honor the national calendar in that way.

[Jackie Oshry]

By the way, speaking of National Margarita Day, did you see that Lifetime is doing a sponsored movie with Chili's, and it's called, like, It All Happens on National Margarita Day.

[Claudia Oshry]

Is it a spoof or.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's like, it's like a real movie about, like, two people who connect at Chili's on National Margarita Day. Unless, like, what I saw was a parody, but there was scenes filmed.

[Claudia Oshry]

I feel like it's a way to make news, but. And they probably did film a bunch of stuff, but I don't think there's a feature film, like an hour and a half long movie that was made.

[Jackie Oshry]

Claudia, watch. I'll be home for National Margarita Day on Lifetime. Presented by Chili's. Celebrating National Margarita Day at the local Chili's is the highlight of the year. But when a big city developer threatens a town. Hold on. I'm agreeing to their terms. Threatens a town Holiday tradition. X's Liz Maria Menounos and Sam Tay Diggs must team up to stop him.

[Claudia Oshry]

Star studded again. Are we sure this isn't a really elaborate marketing campaign?

[Jackie Oshry]

Who knows how long the movie actually is? 15 minutes. Okay. It's a short film.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's a short film, but that's a lot.

[Claudia Oshry]

I like that.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't hate it.

[Claudia Oshry]

I would like it.

[Jackie Oshry]

And maybe if it's good enough, like, it would get the extended version. I'll be for National Margarita Day.

[Claudia Oshry]

Unfortunately, this year I will be home for National Margarita Day. I will not be able to celebrate.

[Jackie Oshry]

When is National, Margaret? Is it not Cinco de Mayo?

[Claudia Oshry]

It's an amazing question. I don't know why it would. Oh, speaking of you being amazing. We have to issue a correction from yesterday's episode. Karen Huger was on her fourth dui, not her second.

[Jackie Oshry]

Even worse.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. So that really makes sense. Why. And I. I believe she was booked yesterday. Like, she's literally in prison.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. No, she can't be stopped from drinking and driving. So maybe some time in the slammer would put things into perspective for her.

[Claudia Oshry]

And then when she leaves and she's fresh out the slammer, I'm coming back home to Ray. Do you think Ray is going to, like, stick it out? It's hard to have a partner in prison.

[Jackie Oshry]

He's going to stick it out. She has, like, rode with him through some tough times for him as well.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's very true. That's very true. I forgot about those dark years where they had to move out of the Potomac zip code.

[Jackie Oshry]

And she was there for him. So if he leaves, like, seriously despicable. And it's like, he didn't leave for the first three DUIs. So like, you've always said, now you've.

[Claudia Oshry]

Developed a moral compass. No, No, I don't think so.

[Jackie Oshry]

And seriously, Ray, like, you should drive her.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, that's the other thing. I hate to blame Ray because it was Karen's fault, but, like, a woman should never be driving herself at night.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And he should know, like, she likes to drink and drive. Maybe I'll drop her off and pick her up.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, he's supposed to be there, like, as a guardian angel. He's an older gentleman, so, like, he knows better. He's wiser.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, he didn't do his part.

[Claudia Oshry]

I definitely blame Ray, and that's. That's the toxic Karen Huger Stan in me.

[Jackie Oshry]

And think about, like, what she might have been driving away from. Maybe it was Ray.

[Claudia Oshry]

The way we've totally flipped on DUI is like, they're the most despicable thing. And now we're like, well, what were they? What were they running from?

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. Well, just you, because you take a really strong stance. Not that I'm, like, pro, by the way.

[Claudia Oshry]

Not that I would ever. Because, like, I barely drive, but if I ever. You got a dui. I don't know how I could show my face on this podcast.

[Jackie Oshry]

You could never show your face again.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I have no plans to drink and drive. But that's also, like, one thing that will, like, guarantee you guys I will never. Because I couldn't face the public backlash.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, you would lose all credibility.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. You guys would stop listening to this podcast, and I actually would agree with You?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

All right, so that's good. Like, one thing you can count on is I'm not gonna drink and drive. Mostly because I really don't drive much. Like, and if I am in a car, Ben's driving and you live in.

[Jackie Oshry]

The city, like, it's not so hard. Yeah, it would be hard for me. Sticks, you might not be talking such a big game. Everyone get an Uber.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no. And I. I've been, like, in places where, like, you're drinking and it's so hard to get home. And, like, not that I understand, but, like, I see how somebody could make such a bad decision because it's not so easy in New York. Like, it actually would be harder for me to drink and drive myself home than it would be, like, drink and take a taxi. Drink and take an Uber. Drinking, like, literally, hail a gypsy cab. Like, there's a million ways she's softening. I'm not. I'm not at all.

[Jackie Oshry]

You said I could see how it could happen.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's not what I said.

[Jackie Oshry]

Karen's changed you.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's not what I said.

[Jackie Oshry]

She broke the Matrix. Really?

[Claudia Oshry]

She did. She's like, one of the few people who like it. She put me in a tough spot.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I'm sorry for you. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm sorry for Karen. She's literally in jail.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, sorry for the divider that she hit. I'm sorry for the person who had to clean it up and build a new one. And.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, like. And the reckless abandon which she acted with, you know, I'm sorry for a lot.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Well, we actually have a lot of news today. A lot of stories broke yesterday, so.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God, yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And we're gonna talk about Michelle Trachtenberg, which is so sad. But there's also another developing celebrity death news. I don't know if it's a story, but I did want.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, of course. I feel like vomiting. That man is like.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I think a lot of people maybe don't know who Gene Hackman is. And I don't know if I would know. He's a 95 year old actor, so he's like, a little bit before our time. But if you guys know Jackie and I, you know how much Gene Hackman means to us because we are obsessed with quoting his line from our favorite movie starring Sigourney Weaver and Jennifer Love Hewitt and Gene Hackman called Heartbreakers. And right before he has a heart attack, he says, I feel like vomiting. And we say it all the time.

[Jackie Oshry]

We say it all the time. We love that. Movie. And if you've been around for a while and you do your homework, it was definitely a toast movie of the week during COVID So hopefully you've watched it and that you all have a warm spot in your heart for Gene Hackman and are affected by the news today.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. So just wanted to make a cultural reference. A toasty reference.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Very, very sad news today.

[Jackie Oshry]

Vomiting when I saw that.

[Claudia Oshry]

1,000%.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's a bit of a disturbing story. We'll get into the details in the fast five. But this is not the fast five.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, this is not. This is a pre fast five banter where it really goes down.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Also yesterday, Brutus got a haircut. My baby boy, like, never misses an appointment. He's good. But his groomer said, like, he. He needs. He seems a little stressed.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, okay. Well, did Brutus get my. You know, I sent out PR boxes. Did you get.

[Jackie Oshry]

I did. Bruno got your PR package.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. Because I am a brand ambassador for a pet wellness brand called Wagwell, and I actually feel like Bruno is kind of my target demo. He has a very high stress life.

[Jackie Oshry]

He does.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I think between the skincare products, the supplements, the treats that are made, you know, with really premium ingredients, I think if Bruno could post about my PR box, I would appreciate that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, you think that would move the needle just a little Sales.

[Claudia Oshry]

Bruno's highly influential.

[Jackie Oshry]

He is highly influential because he's the type, like, he's very brand loyal. He doesn't use a lot of different products. And, like, when he hones in on what he likes, like, he will use it forever.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's so Bruno.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like Sunbeam heating pad, high bar.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, well, I'll have to get him on his wag. Well, because, like, he was very stressed. Very tight in the neck.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. You can let him know, like, I know that the box was, like, delivered and. And signed for, and he did post about it sitting by the door, and he didn't post about it. So.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, that's. You want to know why? He got right into everything before he could take an aesthetic photo.

[Claudia Oshry]

Sure.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's classic.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, you know, it's 50° in New York, so I was going to say, even though it's National Chili Day, like, I actually can't really make a chili.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's not a chili day for you.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's not.

[Jackie Oshry]

I made homemade tomato sauce last night and hamburger with Italian seasoning, which is just meatballs. But if you've been following along, it's really funny. It's just a funny bit.

[Claudia Oshry]

And why have you decided to, like, torture yourself in making your own sauce when, like, Rao's exists?

[Jackie Oshry]

I thought I. I thought I told you this when my friend Sam and Ben were here.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know. And, like, it was really good and, like, maybe for a special occasion.

[Jackie Oshry]

So much so that Rao's doesn't taste the same. And that's why, like, every time I now make tomato sauce, like, I'm not doing it happily, I'm cursing them forever, making me homemade tomato sauce, because I can't go back.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, you know, I meant to call you. I don't know how long ago it was, but you gave me, like, just in case for a rainy day, if anything ever were to happen, a little bit of sourdough starter. And I thought when I had gestational diabetes, that, like, that would be the time where I. Because you said that, like, it's, like, literally the only thing you can eat, like, when you.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, it's, like, the only way you could have a piece of bread that has zero sugar.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I obviously don't have gestational diabetes. Thank God. Thank God, thank God. But I did just take a look at the sourdough starter this morning, and it's black.

[Jackie Oshry]

So, yes, if you leave discard in the fridge for a while, it can get black on top. Some people, you could just, like, take that off and still move on forward with it, but I know you probably won't do that, but are you feeling.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. By the way, can I.

[Jackie Oshry]

You can. And then start feeding it. Are you gonna start feeding it?

[Claudia Oshry]

No. So should I just leave? No. Should I just leave it black?

[Jackie Oshry]

Just leave it then. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Until. And then, you know, I'll bring you a little more next time I see you, just in case. And then you could swap out.

[Claudia Oshry]

I almost threw it out. It looked like mold.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, that's, like, what it is, but, like, it's not. It's not bad yet. I don't know that I would go with black, but I'll bring you fresh kumza.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you feeling sourdough curious?

[Claudia Oshry]

No, not at all. I was cleaning out my fridge, curious, and, I mean, I saw this way, black liquid.

[Jackie Oshry]

If you're not.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, it makes me think of you, and it's in one of the little containers of baby food jars, and it's just like, oh, my family's in my fridge. Hey, guys. I, like, wave to you every time I open the door, but just know.

[Jackie Oshry]

I could bring you the same thing again in a month. I think Ben should get into sourdough, actually. Not for your sake. You'll be flour all over the kitchen. But like for his life.

[Claudia Oshry]

No Ben and powders, because, you know, he takes his AG1 every morning. I find little green, like mountains of powder all over my house. I can't take it. So. No. And two, not only like the powder, but the sheer amount of utensils required to get a loaf in the oven. I just know he's bad out for it. That. What's that bread with the dough.

[Jackie Oshry]

Whisky.

[Claudia Oshry]

The dough whisk like that would become the bane of my existence. The scale, the basket. I'm not interested in all the accessories.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, you need a lot of things. You need to keep them clean. They're not dishwasher safe. No.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Never mind.

[Claudia Oshry]

Thank you. You'll hear.

[Jackie Oshry]

Stick with wild green.

[Claudia Oshry]

1000%. Like, I. I just. I can't. I can't go there right now.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I saw Wild Green had something Wild Green. Not that this is a. An ad, though. They are. A sponsor has frozen fresh pasta, which, like, I don't want to start making my own pasta. It's just not something I can take on. But I want fresher pasta.

[Claudia Oshry]

Hop to it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Hence Wild Grain.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Like, it's just. I know, like, homemade wares are so much better for you. They taste so much better. Like, I'm so tired, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. The more you do it, the easier it gets. But I do understand, like, that's why, like, tonight just might be a factor meal.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like all our brand mentions in.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's so true. And this is like, not. None of it is sponsored.

[Jackie Oshry]

None of them are sponsors today. That's.

[Claudia Oshry]

But when you live as authentically as we do and you integrate all your sponsors into your everyday life, it's such a seamless, synergized community.

[Jackie Oshry]

It is. So maybe we should get into the actual sponsors for today's episode. And we must.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

The Fast 5 stories that you need.

[Claudia Oshry]

To know and the Fast 5 stories you need to know, you do. By the way, maybe because that was Samantha's song. I actually made a TikTok about it this morning and people were like, coming at me in the comments, being like, this was my favorite. And I agree. I actually think in terms of, like, what song I liked the most, Samantha's was. But in terms of what I thought would be the best theme song, Becca's was. I love Samantha's song.

[Jackie Oshry]

I love Samantha's song. It was my number one until, like, Becca's song, like, really was growing on me. And like, Becca's song was exactly what we needed, like, just four lines, the top of the show. Like, Samantha's song had, like, a chorus, but it's a song. I mean, I was saying, like, can we put Samantha's song at the end of the episode? But then it's just, like, too many songs.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I got a bunch of suggestions now, especially now that we're gonna have a Spotify profile. Like, we should just record it and release it as a song. Like, buy it from her.

[Jackie Oshry]

Agreed.

[Claudia Oshry]

And we can use it. Are you ready for the fast? Because that's the best part of the song. The fast. Five stories you need to know you do. Brought to you by. Right?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. We'll have to talk to Samantha.

[Claudia Oshry]

We'll chat offline with Sam. Yeah, it's a garage morning with Jackie. Like, it was really good. Like, it was a hard choice.

[Jackie Oshry]

It was. It really, really was.

[Claudia Oshry]

And my friend called me this morning, and he was like, I can't stop singing the song. And I said to him, and tell me if you feel this way, but you live in Florida and I live in New York. But it does feel like everybody in New York is singing that song. Like, I'm telling you, I just. Everywhere I go, they're, like, singing it.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's always in my head. It's always in my house. Like, it's always in my heart. And it's always in my heart. It's true. And then it's always in my feed because, like, everyone's enjoying it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct. Girly swirlies gather around every day with us. And you know what I was thinking about this morning?

[Jackie Oshry]

What?

[Claudia Oshry]

The next Jizno Live podcast that we do where we have our own song. Like, and I think the next Jizno we've decided that we're gonna do is in December. So, yeah, we have a whole ass year for people to, like, listen to the podcast, learn the song, love the song when we walk out to that song. Because you know that's gonna be our new walkout song. Like, Sorry, Invincible by Kelly Clarkson. You've gotten the boot. That is a moment I cannot wait for.

[Jackie Oshry]

A moment like this.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, that's very exciting. I just think we need more music. And, like, now that we've, like, we've cracked, like, no, seriously, the hardest part.

[Claudia Oshry]

Is getting a Spotify profile.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, no, I really think, like, toast tunes the original songs, like, everything. It's time to really dig in to our musical self.

[Claudia Oshry]

Side.

[Jackie Oshry]

We haven't been musical enough up until this point.

[Claudia Oshry]

We have not.

[Jackie Oshry]

So now without further. Here are the stories.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. And the stories are brought to you by State Farm. Thank you, State Farm, for sponsoring today's episode of the Toast. We know that the toasters can agree nothing feels better than a personal win. Like when you get your final piece of furniture delivered to your apartment, your home really feels complete. Maybe you hit a personal record in a new run or a workout. Whatever it is that you define as a win, it calls for celebration. And do you have any idea who's cheering right beside you? Jax?

[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

That they can't take her seriously.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. It was actually one of the funniest concepts. Like, me and Ben were cracking up so hard. It was so funny.

[Jackie Oshry]

That is really funny. I remember that episode.

[Claudia Oshry]

Hysterical.

[Jackie Oshry]

We're gonna get into the stories, but something that's developing and will probably come out after we wrap today. Classic is that the Jeffrey Epstein lists are, like, set to be released today. Some names and flight logs. The new attorney general Pam Bondi said, like, Thursday. They're dropping names.

[Claudia Oshry]

She didn't say before 10:30am Eastern time, though, which is disappointing because, like, I. Like, we could have been first, and now we're gonna be last.

[Jackie Oshry]

However, like, even if they came out at this point, like, during the show, I need a minute to, like, read, like, see what I'm to read. Yeah. People to break it down.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Sometimes when news breaks on the toast and it's, like, really, like, dense.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Especially if it's a legal.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, that's how I felt about Karen Huger yesterday. Like, I wish I had time to process before I had to, like, give my opinion.

[Jackie Oshry]

Wanted me to shelf it.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no. You know, also my favorite thing is getting live breaking news. Like, when I. Because I'm over here, I'm unplugged.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I got my ads.

[Jackie Oshry]

If the list. I'll tell you that the list breaks and then we'll, like, talk about it in depth tomorrow. Sounds good.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. Yeah, but, like, I feel like if the list breaks, like, immediately, like the first, like the biggest, like three or five people, like, they'll do the work for us. The Internet.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Have you been seeing, like, the odds makers?

[Claudia Oshry]

You're kidding. You can bet on who's going to be on the flight.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, yeah. Who's going to be, like, the. Like the top now, do you think?

[Claudia Oshry]

So being on a flight log, it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Made news because now the number one person that people are suspecting would be on it is Jay Z. Oh, for sure. Yeah. It's not like. I know he's definitely got stuff going on, but I. I never, like, fully associated him with Epstein.

[Claudia Oshry]

With Epstein specifically. No. Me neither. But do you think that somebody being on a flight log is an automatic, like, admission of, like, pernicious. I don't know if that's the right word. Like, peculiar pedophilic behavior?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I think one flight, maybe two. It depends how far apart they are. I think maybe you. Maybe you gotta, like, people hit your ride all the time. And people love to pick up other.

[Claudia Oshry]

Rich people on their planes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Friends was. You know, that's how the. There will be people who are back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Like, take me to Bill Clinton. Yeah. And then there will probably be people that. It's like, a little suspicious, but not as much, you know, So I think there'll be degrees. But just because you're on it once, like, it's really unfortunate.

[Claudia Oshry]

I agree. But that's the same way I feel about, like, all those getty images of, like, Ghislaine Maxwell. Different celebrities. Like, when you're a celebrity, like, and you're around really wealthy people, like, yeah. You go on each other's planes, you take pictures at events. It's not an admission of, like, oh, I knew you were a madam and you were hiring hookers for.

[Jackie Oshry]

But the flight log will also say where they went. So if they just got, like, a ride home from the Super Bowl. Oh, that's different.

[Claudia Oshry]

If you're going to and fro. To and fro from. What do they call the island? Little pedophile Island? Pedophile island. What's like, the colloquial term for it?

[Jackie Oshry]

Epstein Island.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, yeah. If you're going to and fro. Epstein island, and you're not even coming back with so much as a tan, I'm suspicious.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. So that's why you need to, like. But there will be. Hopefully it goes in order of frequency.

[Claudia Oshry]

Do you know? Yeah. Hopefully whoever's, like, doing the stats will release, like, stats. You're the most famous people, but here are also the people who went the most times, the most frequent riders.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. No, like, don't put in alphabetical order. I want frequency. The Alphabet sell sort by amount.

[Claudia Oshry]

If you were to take a look at my outfit, you would assume that I'm wearing a set, right?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Isn't it crazy that I'm not? I just happen to have this shirt and these pants that, like, look, they're the same material. Are they in color? No. My pants are from Revolver. My top is from Avara.

[Jackie Oshry]

Interesting.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know. I feel like I'm hacking, like, the Spanx Air, right? Air essentials.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I feel like I'm walking around, everybody's like, oh, cute set. I'm like, you don't even know it's not a set. You don't even know the ingenuity that went into picking out this Luke.

[Jackie Oshry]

Wait, speaking of Luke's, I dropped a Patreon vlog yesterday.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God. The worst kind of Patreon vlog.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, but I was having fun. I think people really enjoyed it, and it was like, no, I'm talking about.

[Claudia Oshry]

Sorry. The audience loves it, and that's why we do it. To be the creator of the vlog is one of the worst experiences. It's a tr. It's. Well, it wasn't a try on vlog. Jackie was sharing all, like, the new clothes she got for spring, but.

[Jackie Oshry]

And all the, like, the new stuff I'm liking and, like, my new style and just taking you guys on, like, a style journey. And the only thing that was treacherous about it was, like, cleaning up my closet after I pulled out everything I bought in the last.

[Claudia Oshry]

Putting it back on through them on.

[Jackie Oshry]

The floor to try on the next one. Next one. So that was the hardest part. But it's a really fun fashion vlog, if you are into that sort of thing. Patreon.com Toast.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, fashion girl.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. So, like, now should we get into the stories?

[Claudia Oshry]

I guess it's really sad. I like. I know we have to talk about Michelle Trachtenberg, but I actually was somebody who really was impacted by her work. I know a lot of our listeners were like, I really loved her and I feel really sad. So I'm definitely procrastinating.

[Jackie Oshry]

But yes, I agreed. I like loved her when I've seen her and then like seeing everything. All of these tributes to her just reminds me so much of how fantastic she was and also like the kind of person she was. We didn't know or anything, but the things that people are writing about her are just like, so above and beyond in terms of how like electric and full of light she was and personality. And so this is just really sad. But here are the details because Michelle Trachtenberg, the Gossip Girl, Harriet the Spy.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, that's the other thing. Now everybody's like sharing their favorite things. Like I, when I think of Michelle Trachtenberg, I know she was in a lot of things, but now that I'm like looking at her career as a whole, she literally raised us from like Harriet the Spy up until Gossip Girl. She was in Euro Trip. Ice Princess is my favorite fucking movie. Like she really did it all.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes. She was found dead in New York City on Wednesday at 39 years old. A source told People that in the year prior she was, quote, really down emotionally. She had also been dealing with health issues. She told friends she was struggling. The source says she was really, really sick and open with those in her circle about how much she was struggling physically. They claimed that she looked pale, gone and very thin. Yes. In the most recent photos of her, both on her Instagram and also like professional photos, she does look very thin and very pale. Around 8am on February 26, police responded to a 911 call at 1 Columbus Place in New York City. The NYPD confirmed to people upon arrival they discovered a 39 year old female unconscious and unresponsive. They responded to location and pronounced the victim deceased. Criminality is not suspected. Also, she had recently undergone a liver transplant.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. So I think that if you looked at her social media in recent years, you could tell that she physically looked different. Whether, you know, she was struggling with illness or something wasn't clear. And so I didn't know until yesterday that she had recently undergone a transplant for a new liver. So it's just, it's so sad because she was so young and like really so full of talent. And I think she really.

[Jackie Oshry]

She really.

[Claudia Oshry]

Left her mark on a generation of young women that I would include myself in and I just rewatched Gossip Girl. So she's, like, very present. And I don't know. I just. Sometimes when a celebrity dies, like, it really hits you. And this is just terrible.

[Jackie Oshry]

Especially it was so shocking because I guess I personally hadn't, like, kept up with her in the last few years. I didn't even really know she was so unwell. Like, some people.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, I did pass, like, due to.

[Jackie Oshry]

Sickness or drug use or whatever. Like, you see the signs leading up. They did.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, they're publicly kind of deteriorating.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And. Or they're up and then they're down, and they're up and down. And for me, like, she's just been so quiet for the last few years that, like, this came out of nowhere for me.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, agreed. And I. I don't think about her a lot, so when I saw her name in the headlines, I'm like, oh, what's she up to? And it certainly wasn't expected to see deceased.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So sad. Blake Lively posted a tribute.

[Jackie Oshry]

Jenny, I think Kim Cattrall, like, every.

[Claudia Oshry]

Jenny Momson.

[Jackie Oshry]

What's her name?

[Claudia Oshry]

Taylor Momson, Jenny Humphrey.

[Jackie Oshry]

Jenny Humphrey, everyone that she's ever worked with. And, like, I'm sure, you know, anytime someone passes, people are going to say something nice, but just something about the way people were talking with her about her. Like, she just seemed like a really special person. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And a fun fact about Michelle Trachtenberg is she dated, like, my absolute celebrity crush when I was in high school. And I. I don't know if I really knew that she was a New Yorker. Like, I associate her with New York because of Gossip Girl, but the fact that she still lives in New York, so she was obviously, like a galabout town town at the time. And. And when I was in high school, there was a basketball player on the Knicks called Danilo Gallinari. He was Italian. I don't think he spoke a lick of English. He was so fucking hot.

[Jackie Oshry]

Nowhere.

[Claudia Oshry]

And he no longer plays. But, like, he had a couple of years in New York where he was, like, pretty good. So he was kind of just like a.

[Jackie Oshry]

He was. He was guy about town. I don't even remember.

[Claudia Oshry]

So hot. No, he was good. He was good. It wasn't, like, amazing, you know? And they dated, and she was, like, the only celebrity or, like, woman I ever saw him date. And then I ran into him at the Faina, like, years ago, and I asked him to take a picture. And I was, like, actually being a freak, the way I was obsessed with this man. And she dated him. I believe there's like, one photo of them together. And I loved that for her, like, slay. It was such, like, a New York moment. And she was a queen for that. She was a princess and ice princess. And I really. I wish her family well. She was a Jewish queen.

[Jackie Oshry]

I didn't know or didn't remember that she's Jewish.

[Claudia Oshry]

I mean, Trachtenberg. Like, we went to camp with her.

[Jackie Oshry]

Michelle. Yeah, no, now that I think about it, of course. But I. When I think of, like, Jewish celebrities and actresses, like, I never thought of her.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. I need to find that picture of her and Danilo Gallinari just to, like, feel something again.

[Jackie Oshry]

I was so printed out.

[Claudia Oshry]

I was so jealous at the time. But it also, like, because I'm crazy, gave me hope because, like, she was a brunette Jew. Like, that's obviously your type, too. That's obviously your type. Now I can't even find one photo of them together. Maybe they were just spotted together.

[Jackie Oshry]

It doesn't matter.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Bleacher Report. Gossip Girl star Michelle Trachtenberg dating Nick Stanilo Gallinari. According to New York Post report, she was 26 and he was 22. Oh, a younger man. Oh, no, it was real. I guess they were never even spotted together. That's really crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

So it's just your imagination?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I guess I, like, AI generated, like, a photo in my head because there was one, like, specific one in mind. But I guess, I guess not.

[Jackie Oshry]

Your memory playing tricks on you once again. And then our next story, which is also sad news, is that legendary actor Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa and their dog found dead in New Mexico home.

[Claudia Oshry]

So was the dog dead? I. I was. I wasn't getting, like, clear.

[Jackie Oshry]

So no one's, like, spelling it out completely because they say, like, Gene and his wife and dog and the dog were found. Or like, Gene and his wife found dead with dog. I don't know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. And so was the dog there or was the dog also dead?

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know exactly. I'm feeling like the dog was dead. And also, how long were they dead for? Like, did you know?

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. And I think a lot of people, because the police say there was no foul play.

[Jackie Oshry]

Suspected.

[Claudia Oshry]

Suspected. Which is so crazy when two people are found dead. I think a lot of people are just jumping to the conclusion that they died of carbon monoxide poisoning, which happens a lot. Like, if you're in the same house, which I do think would also take out a dog.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes. Okay. That is so is a.

[Claudia Oshry]

Because how, like, it is suspicious by nature. You're both dead. He's 95. She's in her 60s.

[Jackie Oshry]

So like three. Yeah, but.

[Claudia Oshry]

So, yeah, if it's not foul play, but you're both found dead. I actually think people jumping to that conclusion is a pretty safe assumption. Yes, very common. It's more common than you would think.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's really crazy if that's what happened.

[Claudia Oshry]

And that's actually a great reminder to you and everyone. Check out your carbon monoxide alarm things.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, a good. Let you know when they're like, not functioning.

[Claudia Oshry]

Just check on them.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. Well, they were found dead in their New Mexico home. Santa Fe county police discovered the bodies of the two time Oscar winner, the classical pianist and one of their dogs while performing a welfare check. They did not provide a cause of death or say when they may have died. His daughter suspects carbon monoxide poisoning as well.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, wow. I feel like vomiting.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, that's crazy.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I'm sure his breadth of work, like, goes far beyond that one line in Heartbreakers, but he was 95, so I didn't see a lot of his work.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, so he's known. Best known for his role in the French Connection, 1971. Then he also starred in Bonnie and Clyde. Heard of it? Young Frankenside. Heard of it. Night Moves, Bite the Bullet, Superman. Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven, which earned him and his second Academy Award and Royal Tenenbaums a classic.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, I can't believe they didn't put Heartbreaker in there.

[Jackie Oshry]

I guess that really proves, like, oh, they're disgusting. Sorry. How do they not put that in there?

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, I don't know. It's disgraceful and shows a real lack of taste.

[Jackie Oshry]

It also must, like, his other movies must be so amazing that they outrank Heartbreakers. Think about that.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's what I was saying. Like, he's so accomplished that Heartbreakers doesn't even crack the top 10. Yeah, that movie is so good.

[Jackie Oshry]

It is. Watch Heartbreakers in honor of Gene Hackman today.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. Support. And it's just. It's such a fabulous film.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Let me see if he's in anything else that, like, we like. Because I do feel like we know him from other stuff.

[Claudia Oshry]

He has a very familiar face, but when I saw his face, I automatically knew. I'm like, that's my boy.

[Jackie Oshry]

I feel like vomiting.

[Claudia Oshry]

Vomiting. I do. I feel sad. Lots of death today. Those are like the worst stories to cover.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, they are. So now we can move on to something a little more extraterrestrial.

[Claudia Oshry]

Extraterrestrial.

[Jackie Oshry]

Katy Perry, Gail King and Lauren Sanchez will be flying into space on Jeff Bezos's Blue Arch and next mission.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, wait, I, I didn't know any of this. I didn't know when you. I didn't know where the sentence was going because you said extraterrestrial and then you said Katy Perry.

[Jackie Oshry]

So I'm like, oh, her song, she's amazing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, yeah, that's funny, Jackie. Good job. And then I'm like, wait, Gail. Lauren, I did not know where the sentence was going from the moment you started.

[Jackie Oshry]

I love that. Keeping you on your feet.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. I love when you read a story that I like. Usually I know what we're going to talk about. Or I've seen it on social media. I haven't even heard this story. And I need to know how the three of these women got connected.

[Jackie Oshry]

So Blue Origin, which is Jeff Bezos aerospace company, is sending an all women crew into space on its next flight, including singer Katy Perry, Gayle King, and Lauren Sanchez, his fiance. The company on Thursday announced the six people flying on the NS31 mission sent to launch in the spring of 2025. Okay, so like months away. I love the short lead time. Thanks, Jeff. The crew also includes Bahamian American aerospace engineer Asia Bow, civil rights activist Amanda Wen, and film producer Carrie Ann Flynn.

[Claudia Oshry]

I just want to say, like, if all these like, you know, billionaires, it's the space race, they're all getting up there doing their thing and they're all like, I'm taking the first cancer patient, I'm taking the first dog. Like, and so like, I could see somebody say, I'm taking the first podcaster and sending me an invitation, right? The way I would never go on Blue Origin. Like, it just gives like the janky vibes, that kind of Spirit Airlines energy. Like, I don't know, it's low key. Kind of a crazy thing to do. I would soon go on Virgin. I would obviously go on SpaceX. Like, they're obviously best in the biz. And then I think I would go Richard Branson. Like, he would be my last Jeff Bezos. I don't know why his, his airline. He, like, he did it for the wrong reasons, right? He wants to, like, keep up with Elon. He wants to like, be a billionaire. Like, be buff and like, yeah, I'm going to space too. He just does it for like, really, I think shallow, vapid reasons. And I think that it kind of gives submersible energy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Ooh, I understand. I see, like, why you think that and I don't not think that. However, like, we have to remember that Jeff Bezos, like, is a nerd. And, like, this is what nerds get off on. Like, the fact that he has all this money in the world. Like, what does he want to do? He wants to go to space because he's a nerd. Also because he's like, I don't think.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, I think he's a nerd who's really interested in a lot of nerdy things, not including space. Until he saw how much attention the other billionaires were getting. And he's now, like, in this era of his life where he's doing things for attention, right? He doesn't, like, go to Amazon every day and, like, innovate. Like, he gets on his boat. He wants to be a celebrity. He's hanging out with celebs. He's buffing up at the gym, like he's thirsty. And so I think that this was a really insincere project that he took on. Not for the love of space travel. You could see when the other billionaires talk about space, like, there's this curiosity there. He's doing it for really, like, shallow. He wants attention.

[Jackie Oshry]

For him also. No, like, this is a hobby. Like, he sends people up to space, like, for sport and then also, like, for his ego. But we're just, hey, want to go to space today? Because we can. And also, I feel like these things are a little misleading because when I hear this, I'm like, oh, like Katy Perry's going to the moon, like, right?

[Claudia Oshry]

And she's putting on a spacesuit and.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, orbiting throughout, taking a rocket. They're leaving the orbit and they're coming right back down. Like it's not, you know, a multi day.

[Claudia Oshry]

Still crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

But. Yes, but now these things are so much more commonplace just to, like, take a trip to outer space. Space.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm so uninterested. Again, no one has offered me a ride and it probably never will. But if it. If I ever got an invitation, like, the way I would never go, I think it's seriously the stupidest thing.

[Jackie Oshry]

And also, of course, like, if a podcaster is going to space, like, it will be Joe Rogan, because he loves space.

[Claudia Oshry]

Not only that, like, if a podcaster is going to space, like, that's the one that crashes. Like, I just know it.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's not gonna be you. Like, and there's so many podcasters who are into space and, like, we're not. We kind of like clown on this. So I don't think we have to worry about what to do. Getting invited. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I'm just saying, like, I could see someone being like, I could see Brian getting a seat and being like, do you want to come?

[Jackie Oshry]

That I could see that.

[Claudia Oshry]

And no, I don't like, don't ask me. I'm not going.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, it's unclear if it's just the crew is. It's just like the passengers are all women or like everyone operating the rocket as well are also women. Like if it's fully woman, I think it's. And they're all women and they're all.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like trying to do these Brit. Not branded, but like categorized.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like taking the, like break a record.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Women.

[Claudia Oshry]

All, all dogs.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oldest, youngest, fattest, Skinny.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. No. Okay, maybe I would go as the fattest, but like, it's just lame. It's really. The space race is giving like dick measuring contest. And Jeff Bezos for some reason is giving me like small a stick energy. Like he was last to the, to the race. He is doing it for the wrong reasons. Like, I don't think he know like, nerds have a lot of different interests. His was clearly tech and I don't think like he's into space. I think he does it because he wants to keep up with everyone.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think every nerd is into space.

[Claudia Oshry]

You painting with a broad brush? Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Not to stereotype, but I think like every nerd is into the galaxy. Yeah, I do.

[Claudia Oshry]

Let's ask Kendall Jenner.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's totally like, are aliens real?

[Claudia Oshry]

She totally like takes like a private plane and like goes to Area 51. Area 51 being like, wait, did you guys hear that? She's such a nerd.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's such a nerd. And nerds love space. They just do.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. It's kind of like you have to.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Our fourth story?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Inside the six figure goodie bag given to the Oscar nominees.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, this is always good.

[Jackie Oshry]

This is always fun. So Oscar nominees this year will receive an array of luxury products and services including a complimentary home renovation project management from Mason Construction. They will also.

[Claudia Oshry]

Wait, that's insane.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's insane. They will also get a stay at a five star resort in the Maldives.

[Claudia Oshry]

Wow.

[Jackie Oshry]

The night in one in one of the hotels starts at $3,000 a night. They will be getting a four night stay.

[Claudia Oshry]

$12,000.

[Jackie Oshry]

You will also get a five night luxury wellness retreat in Sri Lanka.

[Claudia Oshry]

Wow.

[Jackie Oshry]

They will also be getting a stay at the Cotton House Hotel, five star in Barcelona.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, so lots of trips.

[Jackie Oshry]

Lots of trips. Then they're also getting cosmetic surgeon specialties.

[Claudia Oshry]

That they would want.

[Jackie Oshry]

Then they're also getting like all the luxury skincare, all of that product. The full range of miage skincare. Estimated cost more than 500. L'Oreal Paris is also contributing Miyaj M.

[Claudia Oshry]

IAG and what was the second one? Paris.

[Jackie Oshry]

L'Oreal Paris are also contributing a selection of hair care to the swag bags. Danicero will supply their D22 tonic and then a bunch of other, you know, the crap too. But there's a lot of non crap in here.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And so are all nominees getting the same bag? Like from the audio mixer to the supporting actor?

[Jackie Oshry]

That's a great question. Does the audio mixer get this bag?

[Claudia Oshry]

Does the audio mixer get the home renovation? Because that's. I've heard, you know, every year they. They share this and it's always like really luxury trips and products. But I've never heard of a free home renovation.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, it's also like.

[Claudia Oshry]

And does best documentary international short get right.

[Jackie Oshry]

And like, he probably wants it more.

[Claudia Oshry]

He needs the free one more.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Also, the gift back is subject to tax laws, so some celebrities don't cash in on all the items offered to them.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, I wouldn't either. Like, sometimes it's like when you win a car that if you want a car on a TV show, it could seriously put you in jail. Like how bank you could bankrupt you. Oh, yeah. I would only accept the things I plan on using.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Oh my God, the list. Like, the whole list is so, so long. Like an ancestry DNA kit, body contouring procedures.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, I'd cash in on that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Carmen nuts air roasted cashews. Yummy. Nah, just like a lot of shit. Like it's still a gift bag with their shite, but like it's also multiple.

[Claudia Oshry]

Trips bag from an event. You like, think like you're walking out with like a. Like a tote. And this is not a. I'm sure it's not even a physical gift bag. Like, it's not at the event or.

[Jackie Oshry]

There'S like cards in like come to Sri Lanka.

[Claudia Oshry]

They probably deliver to your house in like a party basket.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes. So congrats to the nominees. It pays to be nominated.

[Claudia Oshry]

I guess.

[Jackie Oshry]

Now I know why people get so upset when they don't get nominated. Because they're not getting a home renovation.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. And that's why they always say, like, it's truly an honor to be nominated because it is. That's half the battle.

[Jackie Oshry]

It is.

[Claudia Oshry]

Damn, that's crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

We get into the fifth and final story, still no Epstein list. But I just saw something about the Gene Hackman death. There were actually three dogs in the house. One passed away with them, two others survived.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, that's really crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Just something to keep in mind as we learn more.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's so sad.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Our fifth and final story is some big news for the kids. Big news in the kid community. Mummy Pig, Peppa Pig's mother is pregnant.

[Claudia Oshry]

I heard she's knocked up.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's expecting baby number three with Daddy Pig. So it is.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's all good.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's all within the wedlock. And fellow pregnant mom Kylie Kelsey broke the news. So this is just like.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, is that like a partnership?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Cute. Sweet news. The star of Peppa Pig is expecting her third baby with Daddy Pig. Sharing the news exclusively on Kylie's podcast. Not gonna lie.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's really funny.

[Jackie Oshry]

The couple is of course already parents to daughter Peppa and son George. And so the show. This is from Peppa Pig the Show, the kids.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know, I know.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But for anyone who doesn't know and like, the show has been on for a really long time and it's Peppa and George, Mommy pig, daddy pig. You never consider that, like, they're.

[Claudia Oshry]

They're still in, like, the. The phase of growing their family.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Mommy pig still got it right.

[Claudia Oshry]

And you'd love to see, like, a healthy marriage keeping the spark alive. It's really sets a good example for kids. And I do think that if you are, like, a young family where you have to, like, explain to your kids that, like, mommy's pregnant and, like, not. Not the birds and the bees, but, like, the. The beginnings, you know, this is a fabulous tool for that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I feel like, so often, like, family shows, like, the cast is set in stone.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. They're just like, they're these fictional families that exist exactly how they are.

[Jackie Oshry]

They don't really age. Especially, like, does Bluey get old cartoons? Like, it's just like, there's. They don't exist in time.

[Claudia Oshry]

I am so shocked that you chose this as a story only because Meghan Markle posted on social media yesterday, and I thought for sure, like, you were burned.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I. I watched a video, and there was, like, nothing to say about it, so I was curious if you were going to choose it. And, like, you had some theory that you saw.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I actually didn't watch the video, so that's why I didn't choose it.

[Claudia Oshry]

It was just a montage of clips. You. You didn't miss anything. Okay. So, I mean, I prefer Peppa.

[Jackie Oshry]

This is big news in the community, and I agree with you. Like, it will be helpful for families that are growing. But for some reason, like, I just. I didn't know that Mommy Pig was, like, still getting down, shaking that thing.

[Claudia Oshry]

For Daddy Pig late at night. Mommy pig's on all fours. Oink, oink. Bitch, get over here.

[Jackie Oshry]

Bing bong, Bing bong.

[Claudia Oshry]

You didn't know she was throwing it in a circle like that?

[Jackie Oshry]

I didn't know she's throwing that cooter for Daddy Pig.

[Claudia Oshry]

And you know what? It's really inspiring as somebody who's building my own family and, you know, you worry, of course, like, what's gonna happen to my marriage?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

You think, like, my marriage has been this way for eight years, and is it going to change? Will I stop being the priority? That obviously is, like, my biggest fear. Like, will Ben like the baby more than me? For sure. And it's nice to see, like, a. A really healthy example of. Of a good, all American family. Even though I believe they're British.

[Jackie Oshry]

They are very British. And I'm sure you've also seen, I think, like, back in the day, we reported on this that, like, American kids are starting to speak who love Peppa Pig and watch it all the time, are developing a British accent, which I think is good.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, there's. I have no issues with that. And you know who would love that? King George. Maybe Peppa Pig.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. She's like.

[Claudia Oshry]

Is the 1776 reincarnated spirit of King George who lost it all.

[Jackie Oshry]

And the son is named George.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, my God.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm telling you, Peppa Pig is a Colin colonizer.

[Claudia Oshry]

I was gonna say it's giving colonization.

[Jackie Oshry]

It is. But that's a topic for another day. Today we celebrate the Simcha.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. But Peppa Pig is canceled. Get her colonizing fat ass out of here.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And then the. The Kylie Kelsey bit is actually cute too, that they partnered. Yeah. The announcement.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's a good partnership.

[Jackie Oshry]

And I think they're a big Pepper household. In our house, we call our peppers.

[Claudia Oshry]

But of course you do. Cogers and peppers.

[Jackie Oshry]

Pepper spinkers.

[Claudia Oshry]

Peppers. And that's. You guys have the Peppa Pig Tony, right?

[Jackie Oshry]

Tony is how we got into Peppa because it pops off, like, really early in the beginning.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, yeah. I. I've been there for. And we all dance so nice. When I think about, like, how I won't have to invest in technology like that because, like, I am a Tony, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, do you know that there are Tonys and someone told me to do this. And this is a. I did know this. There are Tonys that are called creative Tony's where you can record stuff. So like, if you're traveling or something, you could.

[Claudia Oshry]

Good morning, girlies.

[Jackie Oshry]

So we could put our song on a Tony and then play it for the kids. But it's also nice, like, say you're traveling and you want to tell them the night story. You would. You could record yourself. Put it on a ton. They put it on like, it's actually a brilliant idea. This is the best use I've seen.

[Claudia Oshry]

Agreed. I'm gonna get like one of those creative Tonys and just be sitting in the studio all day. I like being alone too much. You dance with you.

[Jackie Oshry]

By the way, we should record something for. We should record like one kid's episode.

[Claudia Oshry]

And then a whole hour long episode.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like 25, 20, 25 minutes. Like, that's for the children.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's gonna be hard not to curse for 25 minutes.

[Jackie Oshry]

We could edit it. We could edit it. It.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, true, true.

[Jackie Oshry]

And that way we could send it to people and they could put it on the Tony and that way we'll never age. Out of toast fans.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, I love that. That's actually brilliant. Like, thinking for the future.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. That's how we're going to capture new audiences. Coachers, tell the marketing team, me and you. Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

Olivia, should we dive into Summerhouse? Recap.

[Jackie Oshry]

We should dive.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, so new episode of Summerhouse. Obviously, like, the big thing is Kyle versus Paige, which I am obsessed with, by the way, because I feel like Kyle gets away with so much. And, like, sort of a lot of the Summer House castmates, especially people who have been on for a while, it's just sort of the. It's just like, this accepted thing that you have to, like, suck Kyle's ass. And I love to see Paige questioning that, like, never stop asking why.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Also, Kyle seems to be, like, an annoying person. Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

And he's not. He's not someone you want to champion. Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

And I think that, like, Paige, like, and a lot of people just, like, put up with him because, like, they love Amanda and, like, that's her husband. You would do that for any friend. But, like, once he gives her cause to unleash, like, now we are hearing what she really thinks, and it's fascinating.

[Claudia Oshry]

So before that, we meet the new man, Emerald, and we also see Danielle, which was. She was like, I've missed so much. Like, seriously, it's been one weekend you've missed.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right? Oh, my God. When she was, like, the house feels different. Like, literally, it was three days that you missed. You might as well be a cast member. Like, you're here.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. You've missed just as much as Imrule.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. And then, like, you're in a confessional, like, you're on the show.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. That was disappointing.

[Jackie Oshry]

There was so much made of, like, her decision to leave. The fact that she has a confession, like, she's on the show.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And is she. It was unclear because she just, like, showed up, like, one day. But is she staying the weekend or. She's visiting?

[Jackie Oshry]

I think if she were visiting, she's.

[Claudia Oshry]

Kind of giving, like, senior who graduated who comes back for sure.

[Jackie Oshry]

But if she were visiting, she would come to, like, a party or a pool day, not be the first one in the house setting up.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, she's there for the weekend for sure.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. And that July 4th party, I just feel like there's. I said this last week, but I feel like it was actually really obvious this week, the growing divide between, like, the younger castmates and the older ones, because, like, they shut down the party. It was still light out, and then, like, everybody gets in bed. But, like, all the young people are on the couch, like, still drinking, hanging out Lexi and people, like, giving Jesse. I've seen so much Jesse Solomon hate.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Because he said a couple things in last night's episode that were, like, incongruous. And, like, I love how all in he is on Lexi, but, like, if you want to be all in on someone, like. Like, you wouldn't even look at another girl. Like, the way that he feels about her, like, agreed. It shouldn't be hard at all. Like, duh, we're exclusive. Like, I couldn't even look at someone else. Like, especially. She's so, like, wonderful, and they're so cute together. So the fact that he had pause about, like, wait, you really think that we're gonna dive in like this so quickly and, like, literally share a room and see each other every day? And you would talk to another. Are you crazy?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. I didn't think she was being unreasonable and asking that, but I'm saying I'd seen a lot of, like, negative Jesse Solomon before that. Now I'm like, well, you're not serious. Like, at first, I was such a champion. I'm like, yes. Like, go get married. Who cares if you're going so fast?

[Jackie Oshry]

And she.

[Claudia Oshry]

But the fact that she just said, like, if you're gonna get to know me, like, let's just get to know each other, I don't think that's unreasonable at all.

[Jackie Oshry]

Not at all. I liked that she said that. That she's not going to be, like, a doormat and just, like, so glad that Jesse's looking my way. And also, she doesn't have to be that way because, like, you know, she's her. She's her. So if anyone can say, like, I'm glad that she's saying it. And also, she's right about the Instagram comments. Like, they're in it. Once you're in a relationship that was inappropriate.

[Claudia Oshry]

Of course they are. And, like, like, it was funny. And, like, he did it for, like, a bit. Like, I think he left one comment, and people loved it. So it was just, like, something he.

[Jackie Oshry]

Did for the fans comment once. Then people thought he was, like, with Amanda. So then he, like, kept doing it because it's like.

[Claudia Oshry]

And then people started shipping him, and it was like, kyle's the worst. Like, look at this nice guy. It was funny and cute. But, like, no, if you are actually seeing someone. If Ben was, like, leaving comments, like, and she didn't even say, stop leaving comments. She was like, just change your words a little bit. To like, you look beautiful in that dress.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I thought nothing she said or requested was even remotely unreasonable. I thought she was actually really, like, measured in her requests and the fact that he, that's where he lost me. Because up until this point, people were like hating love bombing Jesse. Like, who cares? It's cute. Now I'm like, no, this is weird.

[Jackie Oshry]

And I didn't like that the girls didn't agree that he should stop. They were kind of like, oh, that's weird that she said that. Like, no, it's not. It's.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, it's not at all.

[Jackie Oshry]

They should have been like, yeah, you know, it's time to change your comments if you're going to be seeing someone. So I thought that that was weird that they couldn't see that. But that also like, like, speaks to this issue that we always have where like, people in the house, like, don't know how to function around a relationship and they just want everyone to just be like, acting single all the time while being in a relationship. And things change when you're in a relationship. So I would say, like, and I was saying this last week, I think that's like one of the downfalls of them moving so quickly is Jesse doesn't have enough time to change. Like, when you, when you slowly progress into a relationship, you dial back things slowly, you realize. But like, to go overnight, like, I have a girlfriend, I have to change every single thing about my life. Like, that's hard for a man.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like an immature guy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Because they're like, why should I change? Like, but when it's a slower progression, you don't notice how much you're changing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Now I want to talk about IM Rule because I like that they're bringing in someone who is young, who is single, who is hot. But like, people who non stop talk about how much sex they have. I was like, okay, so you're a virgin.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Sex parties, it's like so many. Like, okay, that's like, what, that's what you have to. Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

And that conversation between him and Wes about like, what are people from Bangladesh called?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And he was like, Bengali. He was like, oh, sweet. Yeah, I love that. Like, yeah, okay. You love that. Okay, that's awesome. He said, oh, yeah, like Bengali tiger. I love that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, as if Imrule made it up. Like, I love that. He's like, that's just the word.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And then also it's like, yeah, it's fun to have a single guy in the house. But when we just heard you had Sex with two and a half girls in one day. Like, nobody in the house wants to get with you?

[Claudia Oshry]

No, not at all. But I don't. I don't think that's why he was brought.

[Jackie Oshry]

Why I want, like, I want Jesse's and Wes who, like, come in and connect with girls, but if all the girls, like, that's not a suitor. Someone like. No.

[Claudia Oshry]

He's, like, I think, meant to be, like, a social person where it's like, they're supposed to be going out, throwing parties, inviting people. That's how we got to know, like, so many random castmates, like, friends who come over. And I think that's more his thing.

[Jackie Oshry]

I just feel like guys who come into the house who don't have any sort of, like, romantic potential with any girl just get forgotten.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. Yes.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, even, like, think about the people who announced Kyle, of course, like, is with Amanda, but he's not like, a. Even Carl and Lindsay now that Carl's.

[Claudia Oshry]

Just, like, at the party doing the scavenger hunt. Although I do want to say I.

[Jackie Oshry]

Want to get that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Actually, that made me like him a little bit. Like, because it is an awkward thing. Like, she's doing this household thing, and what are you gonna do? Sit in the corner and cry? So the fact that he not only participated but took it really seriously, I actually, like, liked that so much.

[Jackie Oshry]

Me too. But that's next week, right?

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, is it?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I mean, not me. Thinking of the previews.

[Jackie Oshry]

That was the preview for next week. And I agree. When I saw him, like, leading the charge, like, running, like, the running. I'm like, okay, I like that. And what's also so funny is, like, they keep being like. Like, if Lindsay and Carl can be at the same table in the same house, like, so can Wes and Sierra. I know that they were engaged, but, like, Wes and Sierra's situation was, like, more heartbreaking than Lindsay and Carl's. Yeah, because I guess, like, by the time Lindsay and Carl broke up, they kind of hated each other. Wes and Sierra broke up when, like.

[Claudia Oshry]

She still loved him, still in love with him. And I. I know because I remember seeing a preview, like, down the line, there's, like, you know, more drama with Sierra and, like, Jesse Solomon flirting or something. And I really hope Sierra stops dating guys in the house because I feel like on winter house, like, with the Austin stuff, and then that bled into summer house with Danielle and Lindsay, like, she dates, like, the single Bravo guys and expects something different than what we're going to get from these, like, 40 year old bachelors. And it's heartbreaking to see because you. You champion her so much because she's really sweet. She's just looking for love, and she's so looking in the wrong places.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's really true. Like, in hindsight, Austin and West are just, like, the same kind of guy that are, like, having fun. They're not bad guys. They're not serious guys, especially at the times that she's meeting them. Like, Wes came on a reality show for a million things, like, to be all of it. Like, the fact that he's interested in watch parties. Like, he just was not there to get married. And so, yeah, to, like, keep seeking out the same thing and then being, like, so disappointed in the. Doesn't work out. Yeah, it's. It's time to try something different. I agree.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I want to say, like, I was a big hater of Weenie west like, during the reunion, like, we coined the term Winnie West. I've moved on. I think he adds a lot to the show. I think he's really funny, and I think we're, like, less and less because the. The cast is, like, really starting to separate into two groups, like those that get into bed and those that, like, hang out and party and go out and drink. And Wes is, like, a core, a cornerstone of keeping that young group alive. So he's a real necessary part of the show. He's a good reality star. Like, that hot dog thing was hilarious. Like, they're. They're doing, like, it's good. It's good. And I've seen so much hate for, like, the new young cast members. Like, the Bravo fans do not like the young girls. The young guys like, so this Lexi and Bailey, Lexi, Jesse, and Wes, like, they don't like this sort of new generation of stars coming in the house. And I disagree. And, you know, I'm such a hater when new people come. I'm always like, go back to the originals. Like, I'm so stubborn. I think that Bravo has actually done a very good job of keeping the show. Like, you have to cycle people in and cycle people out, and I think they've done a great job. And even though Bailey doesn't work out, Lexi's great.

[Jackie Oshry]

Lexi inspired choice.

[Claudia Oshry]

With Wessie and Jess being last season, Jesse and Wes last season, I think Lexi will stick around. So for so long, they couldn't keep a single guy in the house. Like, when you think of all the people who came in and out, it was so hard to find guys. Lexi is a fabulous addition. I think that they're doing like what they couldn't do with Vanderpump rules. I think they're doing it quite well. I'm surprised to see so much hate.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I agree. Some people just like don't like change and maybe those young people like make them feel old. But yeah, that's what a summer house is. And I do think right now, like it all works together. Even though they're like more split, there's interconnecting story.

[Claudia Oshry]

It works.

[Jackie Oshry]

So it totally works. I also like, I have page about west that I've moved on and I like seriously couldn't stand him. But he's like taken his victimhood, you know, like he's, he's gotten like hate and now it's time to move on. You're not just gonna hate someone forever. He said something really funny. Last night was just like, do you think that Danielle's gonna say something to Jesse and Lexi about moving too quickly?

[Claudia Oshry]

Lol.

[Jackie Oshry]

So that was just like, yeah, I'm ready to move on. Like he made a mistake.

[Claudia Oshry]

He did his time.

[Jackie Oshry]

He did his time. Like, what am I gonna hold on to it?

[Claudia Oshry]

We need to talk about Paige and Lindsay. Like being friends and shopping together. For me, it's all we've ever wanted. It was really beautiful to see. And I love, and I just, I love so many things about it. Like I loved this anti role that Paige like immediately fell into and just the whole thing made me so happy. And I just love this season of life for Lindsay. Like we liked Lindsay before we were like Lindsay apologist. But she's always been like somebody you had to defend and be like, yeah, she's crazy, but. But this era of her life so suits her. She's so beautiful, like carrying and looking and it's just a joy to watch.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I agree.

[Claudia Oshry]

I loved it.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's blending really well. Like even if she doesn't want to stay in the house the whole weekend, like seeing her in the city.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yep.

[Jackie Oshry]

Then there was the rooftop party. I can't believe we haven't even spoken about.

[Claudia Oshry]

I can't believe how everybody shows up to these things. Like a rooftop summer party, like packed with people such like, you know, Paige was seriously dying not to go. Just like looks so horrible just to watch this 47 year old man DJ for like a beverage company that he like uses like a knife and like stabs everybody with. I couldn't believe everybody showed up. Like, that's so nice. And that's kind of what Paige was alluding to because she like, you Know, she puts up with this bullshit. She does things she doesn't want to do. She makes no money off of this company.

[Jackie Oshry]

None of them do. You would think none of that. The cast members have, like, even, like a small percentage, 1% of lover boy because they're hawking it every single week. They're drinking it, they're making it look good. They have all zero. They've not made zero cent.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I think for Paige, who has really steadily gone from being like a reality star to, like a true celebrity and a really influential person, like, when you. She's also. She just did like a huge campaign with, like, Malibu Rum or something. Like, she gets paid for this. And so maybe it's starting to bother her a little bit more. Plus, the text messages were just like, are you fucking kidding me? I loved everything she said. And then we didn't like the spritz and the Craig of it all. But beyond that, it's like. Like, are you kidding me? Like, how. How dare you even say one crossword to me after all I do for you and I never complain.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And that's really the expectation from Kyle that everyone will keep doing this and like that for nothing. In the beginning.

[Claudia Oshry]

Solomon wearing a Lover boy hat the whole episode.

[Jackie Oshry]

He didn't want anyone doing anything else. But, like, it's been years now. Like, people are able to do other things like that, but that you would still be like that rigid while you give militaristic. But really people. And they're on a show that's, like, about alcohol and they can't work with.

[Claudia Oshry]

Other alcohol drink anything else.

[Jackie Oshry]

Jason to Paige. So, like, Hannah and Craig, who are not on the show, can't do a partnership. And that is. So they talked also about Hannah on BFF's pod when she said that, like, she got fired from the show because Kyle got her fired because she had done a ad with another brand deal.

[Claudia Oshry]

Truly. Yeah. And that's kind of been like the go. Like, she had said that. And the Internet knew that that partnership she did, I believe it was. Was with Truly was like a big part of him trying to get her fired. And his favorite thing, Kyle, like, every time he gets accused of that is like, what are you talking about? Like, how does Q score? Everybody knows how does Q score? How does Q score? How does Q score? And when your reality star, like Bravo, does, like, focus groups and testing and they get. You get like a likability score. And if people really like you, that's your Q score, it goes up, it goes down. Having a Negative Q score obviously, like, sucks, but it doesn't mean that you get fired. Like, people need to be disliked. People need villains. So Kyle's flawed, Like, reason why I didn't get her fired. She had a bad Q score. So did Lisa Rinna for many years. And, like, you're a necessary part of the show.

[Jackie Oshry]

Would have had a lower Q score than west after the reunion. Right, and so he should just be fired. No, it's more interesting to keep him on.

[Claudia Oshry]

He uses that metric like he thinks people doesn't don't understand it. So, like, well, she had a low Q score. Of course she got fired. Actually, a low Q score is. Not everybody can have a high Q score. That's a boring show.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, it's a sign of interest.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right, Exactly. Controversial. You're a little radioactive. So he loves to use that when it's actually not true. And so it's just kind of crazy because the thing he's being accused of with Hannah from years ago is exactly what's happening now with Craig and Spritz. And Craig is not even a cast member on this show.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I understand. First of all, Paige being like, don't crawl up my ass for things other people did. I like that. I agree with her completely. Like, I hate when people are mad at you for something somebody you know did. Like, bitch, get off my ass. This isn't me. Especially with how much I fudgeing do for you. And I don't say anything about it. So now that you brought it up, let's talk about it.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, but also, like, not only what everyone does for lover boy, which is like, insane, and for them, but that he does nothing for anyone else. Like, I don't follow him, but does he ever talk about Giggly Squad? Does he ever talk about page was like 20? Does he ever talk about her ads on Live? Like, probably not.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. It's so true when she said, when have you ever supported anything I've done? It's so true. Think about all the things they do. They're writing a book, she has a podcast, she goes on tour. She's a huge Amazon Live contributor. She does a ton of fashion stuff. Like, when have you literally ever even, like, left a nice comment like, you don't support, but I have to be over here doing like, millions of dollars in advertise free advertising for you and your company just for you for me to get yelled at for one thing that my friend and boyfriend did that you don't like. She's so justified in being activated. Like, and I need her to go harder.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, no, she's so activated. Like, she's just saying everything and. And it probably things that were like, obvious truths but she would never say. Because of Amanda.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. There's a lot of complex dynamics. One Amanda, but two, you know, Kyle being like the OG castmate, I think he, like, he's not a producer by any, but he definitely has, like, if there's a hierarchy, he's at the top of it. He works with production, like, on getting people cast so he has power that other people don't have. So you have to, like, walk this line with Kyle and, you know, being his friend and his adversary while also trying to maintain your job. So for. And I feel like in the beginning, like, the work is twins and Steven, they were all trying to say that, but, like, they all just got fired, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

But now there are all these other castmates who are like, the. Paige is not gonna get fired. Like, she can say whatever the she wants.

[Jackie Oshry]

Paige is not gonna get fired. And I feel like for Paige, she's not scared of getting fired. And that's why she will say whatever.

[Claudia Oshry]

She's powerful.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because I'm sure at some point, if she leaves the show or the show leaves her, like, she knows that she's gonna be. She has all this stuff off of the show. I wouldn't be surprised if she left on her own accord. So to not care.

[Claudia Oshry]

She is power.

[Jackie Oshry]

She doesn't need to care and she doesn't need the show.

[Claudia Oshry]

But his. His sort of the imbalance of power gives him room to act certain ways. And that's why people put up with a lot of the that he does. Whereas if it was any other regular cast mate, like imagine Danielle and her fashion app.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Coming at Paige. I can't believe you're doing Amazon Live.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's how. That's what it is.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

So why can't she say that but Kyle can.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right.

[Claudia Oshry]

This isn't a lover boy sponsored show.

[Jackie Oshry]

They're not getting paid by lover boy.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct. So that unless you're an employee, Carl.

[Jackie Oshry]

They're being good friends or being above and beyond every single party, every single.

[Claudia Oshry]

Episode, and they're still getting yelled at.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. It's insane.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's insane. Paige is so justified. Like, I. I too faced. You think I'm too faced? I'm so ready.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's time. And I'm actually grateful to Spritz and Craig for bring the conversation to the four.

[Claudia Oshry]

I also love to see Paige and Hannah having each other's back so much because I feel like. Because of that, like, power imbalance when Hannah got fired, you still have to, like, walk a certain line because Paige was still trying to keep her job, and that's her best friend, and she wants to defend her to Hannah. I mean, to Kyle. But then also, you know, Amanda's her best friend, and now I feel like Paige is at a real point where, like, she can defend her friend so wholeheartedly without giving a fuck because she has nothing to lose.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And that must feel really good, like, for Hannah, too. And I love that Hannah is still being talked about on this show. Like, you just know she lives for it. Like, they tried to destroy her life. They almost did. They almost did. And, you know, she just lives for this.

[Jackie Oshry]

That is so funny.

[Claudia Oshry]

It really is. It's kind of a phoenix rising from the ashes type of story, which you'd love to see.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Justice being served.

[Claudia Oshry]

So the big kerfuffle is next week between Kyle and Paige. And let me tell you, Kyle is not a worthy adversary. Like, he. Paige is so intellectually. Like, she's a good fighter.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

She uses her words well. She doesn't fight a lot, so when she does, she's mad.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

He is not a worthy adversary for her.

[Jackie Oshry]

No. I think he can store down and says, I'm done. Classic.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. He can barely string two words together. Like, I'm so looking forward to the verbal annihilation that will occur of Kyle Cook.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's gonna be fun to watch.

[Jackie Oshry]

So we'll see you next week.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes, we will. Tomorrow is the last episode of the week. We've got Queenie and Weenie. We've got Southern Charm. Recap. And then the new episod episodes of Love Is Blind, I think, released tomorrow. So we'll have the weekend to watch them, and that will be Monday. I feel like we're watching so much TV these days. Yeah, it's like that season of the year where a lot of shows are on.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, our shows. Don't forget Southern Charms on tonight. I know you forgot.

[Claudia Oshry]

Excuse me. Rewind the tapes. I just said tomorrow we have Southern Charm.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, you did?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, I missed it. I was having my Southern charm persecution complex.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes, you were. And I just want you to know, like, it is now in my brain as a part of our weekly schedule. Like, it won't be forgotten.

[Jackie Oshry]

And now that, like, Southern Charm is, like, so, you know, white load prevalent.

[Claudia Oshry]

I thought you were saying Paige and Craig, too.

[Jackie Oshry]

Paige and Craig, of course. We. There's just intel coming in from all the different all.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's so true.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. So I will be enjoying my Southern charm this evening.

[Claudia Oshry]

That is our show. Thank you so much for listening to the Toast of Millennium morning show where we Deliver the Fast5 stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe me this video. Thumbs up. We're also available as podcast and where podcasts can be found so that Spotify juices your public radio. I already cast talks all the places I'll be listening podcast. My notes are totally five star review about a beautiful sounding and wickedly talented. We are.

[Jackie Oshry]

Love ya. Bye.