Nicolandria Incorporated: Wednesday, May 6th, 2026

Summary

The Toast — "Nicolandria Incorporated" (Wednesday, May 6th, 2026)

Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Date: May 6, 2026
Podcast: The Toast by Dear Media

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Episode Overview

This Wednesday episode of The Toast brings Jackie and Claudia's signature blend of pop culture commentary, reality TV deep-dives, candid life updates, and their “Dear Toasters” advice segment. The main theme centers around reality TV relationships—especially the so-called "Nickelandria" from Love Island—and the shifting tides of public opinion, alongside rapid takes on Kim Kardashian’s law journey, legal skirmishes in celebrity land, and Summer House drama. Jackie and Claudia also share personal insights on work, motherhood, and boundaries, wrapped in their witty, irreverent banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Midweek Banter and TV Catch-Up (00:03–04:40)

• Jackie starts by lamenting her children’s late bedtimes and how she missed Summer House (“...my new co-sleeping adventures…” 00:51).
• Claudia notes the Summer House episode was dull, but teases some related news for later.
• The duo jokes about trends in “Dear Toasters” submissions, shifting from “is my husband gay” to “is my husband a pedophile or a sex offender.” (“I can't handle. I actually can't handle it.” – Jackie, 01:48)
• Jackie’s update: speed-listening to “The It Girl” for their Redheads book club episode. No one truly loved the book, sparking a discussion about book club dynamics and even attempts at manufacturing “cancellation” for buzz. (“Kind of going off the beaten path, you know, in trying to court a cancellation for ourselves.” – Jackie, 04:04)

2. Nickelandria Love Island Deep-dive (04:40–12:16)

• The conversation shifts to Love Island’s Nickelandria (Nick + Alandria), a couple the hosts have long believed to be fake.
• Claudia describes shifting fan sentiment, especially after a Vulture expose and TikTok comments vindicating skeptics. (“...the Nickelandria truthers are being sort of vindicated...” – Claudia, 05:58)
• Jackie: “Nickelandria is a business. Anyone who talks about it like it's a relationship...how could you be so naive?” (06:25)
• Both hosts see themselves as “captains of the Nickelandria truther ship,” recalling they were called racist for doubting the relationship because of the couple’s racial dynamics.
• Sounding off on Love Island editing, post-scandal reactions, and the power (and perils) of “reality fandoms.”
• Jackie’s favorite word (usury) gets a tangent, and Claudia returns all roads to Love Island.

3. Modern Hate, Love, and Social Media (12:16–16:13)

• Jackie and Claudia muse on the mechanics of “hate-watching,” Twitter subcultures, and comment-section echo chambers.
• Claudia: “It's more interesting to hate.” (11:16)
• They acknowledge their own off-mic kindness—“There are not two nicer, kinder, more generous girls...it's actually shocking that we are Nickelandria truthers because, like, we do believe in love.” (Claudia, 11:31)
• Dissecting the producer-driven nature of Love Island storylines: “They literally only coupled up because it was their only way to stay on the show. Like, seriously, how dense are people?” (Claudia, 11:58)

4. FAST FIVE STORIES — News & Pop Culture Round-up (21:11 onwards)

Story 1: Kim Kardashian Delays Bar Exam (21:11–25:53)

• Kim Kardashian is not retaking the bar until at least 2027 after multiple failed attempts.
  • Jackie: “This was meant to be a hobby, really. She has...eight other careers.” (22:14)
  • Claudia: “She has to pass… She’s made it her whole personality.” (21:36)
  • Both reflect on ambition, sunk costs, and why Kim, a billionaire, keeps at it.

Story 2: Blake Lively & Justin Baldoni's Legal Spat (26:13–30:19)

• No money changed hands in the lawsuit settlement; Blake may recoup legal fees.
• Side note about Blake Lively’s possibly controversial Met Gala attendance and the "reality" of Met Gala invites.
• Affirmation that industry icons (e.g., Sarah Jessica Parker, Blake Lively) maintain relevance and status.

Story 3: Travis Kelce’s Anticipation for Wedding Moment (31:51–36:10)

• Discussion of a heartfelt moment on the New Heights podcast featuring Rory McIlroy:
  • Rory to Travis: “Whenever you're sitting at your wedding, you have all of the people in a room from, like, it's so amazing…” (32:11)
  • Travis: “I can't wait.” (32:48)
• Claudia explains her general animosity for Rory; spirals into comments on sports loyalty, LIV Golf, and hypothetical “would you sell out?” scenarios.

Story 4: Lizzo Refuses to Settle Lawsuit (41:29–45:14)

• Lizzo, accused by dancers of creating a toxic workplace, pledges to fight in court:
  • “She said the truth will come out.” – recapped by Jackie (42:57)
• Claudia lists Lizzo among (successfully) “canceled” celebrities and notes the particular irony when someone’s downfall is the antithesis of their brand—“It’s the Ellen of it all.” (45:14)

Story 5: Summer House Recap; Wes & KJ Text Drama (50:48–58:53)

• KJ reads, on-air, an apology text from Wes Wilson during Watch What Happens Live:
  • Jackie: “It's weird that KJ hadn't read it before...you're really going to read this live on television?” (53:18)
  • Claudia: “I honestly thought it was really unnecessary and rude.” (54:05)
• The episode’s central drama is recapped; hosts critique both the overblown reaction to West’s missteps and the “post-Scamanda Ball” editing style.

5. Dear Toasters Advice Segment (58:53–69:53)

Notable Scenarios:

• Registered Sex Offender Grandpa:
  • “It’s giving: no is a full sentence.” – Jackie (59:57)
• Reading Husband’s Journal Entry about Unhappiness before Proposal:
  • Both agree: it’s irrelevant to current happiness, and journal privacy matters. “Sorry you didn’t like what you saw, but he obviously was just working through stuff.... Don’t make trouble.” – Claudia (61:32)
• Boyfriend Hooked Up with Stepsister Pre-Parents’ Marriage:
  • “I think it’s disgusting, and I do think it’s a deal breaker.” – Claudia (66:00)
  • The hosts debate “ick culture” and the boundaries of step-sibling relationships, jokingly referencing Clueless.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Nickelandria’s PR relationship:
  • Jackie: “...Nickelandria is a business. Anyone who talks about it like it's a relationship...how could you be so naive?” (06:25)
• On cancel culture:
  • Claudia: “It’s the Ellen of it all. Like, you can't have a show about kindness and be the nastiest bitch on the planet.” (45:14)
• On Kim’s priorities:
  • Claudia: “I'm definitely destined for goodness, like, for good. I will try to a point within, like, reason.” (24:19)
  • Jackie: “That's probably the difference between me and her and I. Kardashian.” (24:26)
• On ambition after motherhood:
  • Claudia: “My personal experience with motherhood has been like, it drained me of any ambition, and I love it.” (37:47)
  • Jackie: “There's no more worthy job in the world [than motherhood].” (40:04)
• On Summer House drama:
  • Claudia: “It just felt like kj, like, was just a little too excited to, like, I don't know, expose his friend when in the. At the end of the day, West's text was actually quite lovely.” (53:05)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:47: Start of main chat; Summer House and TV talk
• 04:40: Transition to Love Island/Nickelandria drama
• 12:16: Segment on social-media discourse and “hate-watching”
• 21:11: Start of Fast Five stories (Pop culture news round-up)
• 50:48: Summer House recap/Wes & KJ text phenomenon
• 58:53: Dear Toasters (advice segment)
• 59:17: Major “Dear Toasters” question — sex offender grandfather
• 61:22: Note on reading husband’s journal
• 65:22: Dating dilemma—boyfriend’s stepsister hookup
• 69:53: End of episode

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Episode Tone & Style

Light, irreverent, and conversational, but with pointed critiques and candid admissions. Always self-aware and ready to poke fun at themselves, the hosts balance sharp pop culture takes with vulnerability about motherhood, career, and identity.

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TL;DR

Jackie & Claudia deliver a hallmark episode of The Toast—full of reality TV theorizing (especially around the Nickelandria “truthers”), quick-hit pop culture news, and crowd-sourced advice. They delve into the irrationalities of both fandom and cancel culture, muse on what it takes to “give up,” and offer compassion (and wit) to listeners with everything from legal woes to uncomfortable family secrets. The episode is a blend of tea, therapy, and sisterly chatter: “Different strokes for different folks.”

Transcript

[Jackie]

Good morning, girlies.

[Claudia]

It's the toast.

[Jackie]

It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.

[Claudia]

It's your favorite show.

[Jackie]

The best five things you need to know.

[Claudia]

We'll start your day off.

[Jackie]

Swirly.

[Claudia]

It's the toast.

[Jackie]

They sound amazing.

[Claudia]

Welcome back to the terst. How you durst? It's Jerst.

[Jackie]

It's just interesting. Terse. Done. The worst day of the week, I guess. Is it. Is it the worst day? No. No.

[Claudia]

What's today? Wednesday. Not. Not even close. I would say. I would argue it's the third best or. Yeah.

[Jackie]

And the third worst.

[Claudia]

Correct. Right in the middle.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Well, happy Wednesday. Did you watch Summer House last night?

[Claudia]

I did.

[Jackie]

I actually did not watch Summer House last night due to my new co. Sleeping adventures. I had.

[Claudia]

Well, that's fine.

[Jackie]

The boys down with me and I was like, you know what? It's 9:30. I'm gonna like pretend to fall asleep with them and I'm gonna go to sleep with them.

[Claudia]

So it really doesn't even require a recap. It was such a boring episode. We do have deer toasters today. So that'll be at the end of the episode. But let me say this. What. What do you.

[Jackie]

We also, in our fifth and final story, there is like Summer House news. So if you wanted to like, share your thoughts on the episode, which please, by all means share them.

[Claudia]

I actually really don't have thoughts on the episode. I have a couple of thoughts on. Watch what happens live.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that's in our fifth and final story.

[Claudia]

All right, so you know what? I'll just wait. So negative thoughts. We also have stirs the tersters. And you know what's so funny? We go through. It's actually not funny. We go through eras. Like people writing in, like, is my husband gay right now we're in the era of my. Like, there's two. Is my husband a pedophile or a sex offender? Like, stop. I tried not to choose.

[Jackie]

I can't handle. I actually can't handle it. It's like, it's such a vibe killer to say.

[Claudia]

But like, what do you do if you're going through your husband's nightstand and you find like a secret hidden camera? Like, not. It's not set up, but like, he owns a hidden camera.

[Jackie]

I can't. I. I can't.

[Claudia]

Honestly, I would choose that one.

[Jackie]

And I don't like, know this person, so I can't assume their intentions. Like, what if it's a bird watching camera and he likes to sneak it in the trees to get footage of the birds. Like, I don't know. Or, you know, he's a pedophile. A sex offender. Of course. Of course.

[Claudia]

Like, it's probable.

[Jackie]

Or a snake. You know, maybe he's just spying on you to get, like, get information. I don't know. I don't know these people. Okay? It's just too much for me. It's too much on my shoulders.

[Claudia]

Well, I tried to choose, like, a good mix of, you know, both sex offenders while also, you know, in law, drama.

[Jackie]

Classic, classic stuff.

[Claudia]

That's so Dear Toaster. So we have that. We'll do a little bit of Summer house recap. How was your day yesterday, Ms. Foley?

[Jackie]

Oh, my God. My day was so busy. When it was done, I was like. But then it never ended because the children, like, never went to sleep until I went to sleep with them. But I was, like, driving around town, like, speed listening to the redheads book. The it girl. Like, to finish it in time for the episode. We recorded the episode yesterday. It's actually a great episode. And I feel like it's gonna be a little surprising that not everyone loved the book. Nobody in the group loved the book.

[Claudia]

Well, it seems like nobody loves the redheads, and so you're all speed listening to it the day before. So obviously you're not gonna like a book that you're, like, speed listening to half reading.

[Jackie]

I was the only one who. Who did that. Everyone else, like, Margot dedicated her weekend to read the book. Yes.

[Claudia]

She was very stressed last minute about it. Like, everyone is coming at it with, like, a negative.

[Jackie]

Not at all. I love Allison Pataki. This is my fifth read by her.

[Claudia]

I mean, they're coming to the redheads, like, with a rushed attitude. And I'm sorry, I'm taking it personally. Like, that's my favorite book. And if you guys didn't like it, like, that's a you problem, not a book problem.

[Jackie]

It wasn't like I didn't like it. My rating was favorable, but it wasn't Marjorie Post. Like, it didn't slay for me. I found all of us had, like, a lot of issues with, like, the book and the character. And it was actually, I think, surprising, considering you would think this was, like, such a win. But that's the thing about the redheads. Like, you can't put us in a box. You never know what's going to happen next. Also, a fun fact about the redheads is now we're, like, actively trying to get canceled, because that would sort of, like, solve our problem here. So we're Kind of going off the beaten path, you know, in trying to court a cancellation for ourselves.

[Claudia]

Well, good luck with that. Let me just say this. Leave me out of it, okay? I want no part of the redheads cancellation. And I'm sick. I'm sick from this news.

[Jackie]

I'm just that we didn't like the. That we didn't love the book.

[Claudia]

Sick.

[Jackie]

Why you didn't love Next to Heaven. It happens. Different piece of garbage. Different strokes for different folks.

[Claudia]

Oh, speaking of different strokes, I don't know if you heard, but we're like kind of getting canceled for our Jeff Lauren Bezos, Nicole Sanchez take.

[Jackie]

Hey, I knew I was, you know, manifesting a cancellation somewhere. What's.

[Claudia]

Yeah, wrong show. What's a T show?

[Jackie]

What's a tea?

[Claudia]

Oh, you know, just not people not liking our takes. And to that I actually felt like

[Jackie]

we were so mid on it.

[Claudia]

Like. No, I think that if. If you don't come out and say, like, Lauren Nicole Sanchez Bezos should kill herself, like, you're not going hard enough. That's what people want.

[Jackie]

Oh, no, I don't believe that. Unfort.

[Claudia]

I don't believe that either. Although there is. And I was telling you about this this morning. I was watching this, like, dissertation on Nick from Love island, and it hasn't happened fully yet, but I do feel like the tides are changing a little bit on, like, public discourse on Alandria and Nick. Because if you're a nickelandria truther, which you and I have been from literally the moment they met, literally the first episode, we know that this is a fake relationship. It's just extremely convenient. It's a well executed PR relationship, but, like, we have seen through it from day one. And now with this Vulture article, people are starting to. And also Sierra comes up on my tick tock a lot, and she's just an influencer. She never talks about Love Island. She does, like, a lot of, you know, gratitude, journaling and trips to the cape and the comment sections. Like, it's actually been wild to watch them do a complete 180. Because at first the comments were literally just like the worst things ever. And now they're like, oh, I always liked you, or, oh, everyone was wrong about you, Sierra. Oh, like this comment. If you never hated Sierra, like, seriously, so finicky. Like, everyone's just flip flopping all over the place. And now, you know, the nickelandria truthers are being sort of vindicated, especially with Nick and his relationship with Sierra. Like, that was your girlfriend. You had sex with her and Then she got kicked off the show and you never spoke to her again.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that was wrong. But right now I'm just, like, hung up on the fact that, like, you guys are carrying on a fake relationship. For whoms? Like, michelangerea is a business. Anyone who talks about it like it's a relationship. I like, I. I love that. I don't know how you could be so naive.

[Claudia]

Nickelanges. It's literally Nickelandra incorporated. It is.

[Jackie]

And it's like, I don't understand why Alandria is a part of Breaking down. He is. Just because she's. She doesn't need anything or anyone. She's in a category all of her own. Like, and I would like for her to find, like, real love. And if they. I mean, I can't even say, like, if they're in a relationship because they're so obviously not. Because even the. The couples on the show that were so into each other on the show have petered out. So what does that say about the couples that faked it till the end?

[Claudia]

They're so. What do you mean, faked it to the end? They weren't even in a relationship till the last episode.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Yeah. It's just. I can't even be like. And if they are together, like, why would they be together?

[Claudia]

I just need to reaffirm, like, that you and I are captains of the nickelandria truther ship. Because, like, you know, we've seen it now with, like, Amanda Batula.

[Jackie]

Things change.

[Claudia]

Everybody's like, I never liked her. We have got on record. I just can't wait for, like, the actual truth to come out. And we were pioneers and we got. We got a lot of hate. Like, there's a lot of the nickel. Andrew Truthers were like, there were some serious allegations. Like, you were called racist. Like, what? He can't love Alandria. It's like, are you kidding me? She can't love him. Like, are you guys stupid?

[Jackie]

You're racist.

[Claudia]

Yeah, like, it was. Seriously, it's hard out there for a nickel Andrea Truther. It is.

[Jackie]

And I just, like, sometimes we take a hard position. I'm, like, proud. I'm like, you know what? We wrote it out. It was hard. This is so obvious to me. Like, I don't even feel proud or, like, I said the hard thing. Like, this is so obvious. It's clear as day.

[Claudia]

Absolutely.

[Jackie]

My favorite word that took me years to learn how to pronounce. Usery.

[Claudia]

Usury.

[Jackie]

Usury. I always thought I was

[Claudia]

Claudia Usury.

[Jackie]

U S U R Y Isn't that a word? That's easy.

[Claudia]

That's a good one.

[Jackie]

Users.

[Claudia]

Loser. Us.

[Jackie]

Loser. Sneeze.

[Claudia]

So all roads lead back to Love Island. Kind of living for that Vulture article. Like the. Yeah, it's sent through the industry.

[Jackie]

She didn't go hard enough.

[Claudia]

No. And she was also just, like. She was also calling him just, like, dumb. Like, he just goes with the wind, like.

[Jackie]

No, but she also picked him for, like, the masterminds for the list.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

A million girls would kill for that spot. 30 people chosen.

[Claudia]

Nick, question mark. Yeah, Olendria was obviously busy and she said my stand in can come. Does that work for you guys?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Yeah, that's definitely what happened.

[Jackie]

She was.

[Claudia]

Put Amaya on that list also.

[Jackie]

I feel like the Amaya truth is starting to come out. Not that there's anything, like, really wrong. Like, she's a lovely girl, but the fact that. So sweet that she won Love island just to, like, stick it to someone for something that happened, like, six weeks past previously on the show. When, like, a lot of other things were happening that didn't need to happen, you know?

[Claudia]

Yeah. That was such a wild season.

[Jackie]

And, like, the fact that Brian. Whomst Brian, like, and someone from Casa Amore won the show is insane.

[Claudia]

They need to put some systems in place to make sure something like that never happens again. The fans have too much power on that show. Yeah, but that fans are not smart.

[Jackie]

That was the fans, like, trying to game the system, you know? Like, you think Ace and Shelly are gonna win?

[Claudia]

No.

[Jackie]

These randos, literally. That's why I have issues being a part of, like, the Love island community. I have issues.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I very much. Like, I set up permanent residents on the outskirts of the community. Like, I don't want to be a part of them. I don't think they're smart. They're the scariest group of people on the planet. No.

[Jackie]

And it's like, it's bad when the audience gets too much power and it's bad when the islanders get too much power where then they send Jeremiah and Hannah home.

[Claudia]

Oh, my God. Jeremiah and Hannah.

[Jackie]

I'm not. I'm still there.

[Claudia]

So. Yeah, that's what I saw my morning scroll this morning. Just like a changing of the tides.

[Jackie]

That's always exciting.

[Claudia]

And it's so funny how personal your timeline is because I was telling you yesterday about the heated rivalry guys, how, like, everybody hates one and not the other. And the people in our comment section were like, claudia, that's not true. We love them both. We love them both. We love them Both. And I must be on, like, gay Twitter because the gay community hates the straight one, I'm telling you. And all the girls in our comments were like, we love them both. Really? I see him getting ready to filth on Twitter every single day, and I never even watch a show. I don't know why would we serve this content?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

But I think I must be just on gay Twitter.

[Jackie]

Or they just, like, know that you loved, like, the haters pitting people against one another. Yeah. And that, like, you love the hate. Hate, hate.

[Claudia]

I. I literally do.

[Jackie]

It's just like, I don't love the hate, but, like, it's interesting to have an opinion.

[Claudia]

It's more interesting to hate.

[Jackie]

I know, but that's bad. But even though, like, we love, love, love, you know, as much as we talk so much, like, it's so true. There are not two nicer, kinder, more generous girls. And I know us, like, offline.

[Claudia]

It's true. And because I know us offline, like, I. And I know how really sweet and genuine we are. Like, it's actually shocking that we are Nickelandria truthers because, like, we do believe in love.

[Jackie]

That's why we're Nickelandria Truth.

[Claudia]

No, I know, but I could see us also getting swept up in the nickelandrea of it all.

[Jackie]

For a minute, I actually was like, I was like, oh, this is fun. And then production, like, put them together, sent them to that remote date when they both were getting eliminated, and they gave them a chance to be together and they said, no, thanks. So, like, I moved on.

[Claudia]

No, they literally only coupled up because it was their only way to stay on the show. Like, seriously, how dense are people?

[Jackie]

No, like, I was down to clown. And they both said they weren't into it like, that.

[Claudia]

They made out and they were like, I'm good. Yeah, I don't need to do that again.

[Jackie]

So that was, like, all I needed to see.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

All right.

[Claudia]

I feel like we should dive in. We kind of have a lot to do.

[Jackie]

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[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Thank you. Turd away.

[Claudia]

Wait, I wanted to tell you something. Yeah. I'm like annoyed. Why? I really was trying to get that Walmart Mahjong set for 80. Did you see it? Sold out. But you know what? They have one. I don't want to say where it is. At a Walmart in New Jersey that, like, I'm actually gonna drive to.

[Jackie]

Oh, really? I looked. You can't get it online. My local.

[Claudia]

You can't get it online. My local did not have.

[Jackie]

Maybe. I guess I saw where it is. It's not close, but I could take a trip. Road trip.

[Claudia]

Yeah. It comes with such a cute bag. I don't love the racks, but. And. Or the mat. But to get tiles in a bag for 79. Like, I have to go. Honestly, you know what? I'm doing it.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Maybe I'll try and go and then.

[Claudia]

Wait, I want. Oh. Happy birthday to our Satchel. Our little sister's birthday is today, and I don't miss Satchel.

[Jackie]

Oh, my God. You want to hear the funniest thing? So yesterday on the redheads, I was telling Margot, we were talking about her birthday, obviously, because that's what's happening in the redheads community. And I had told her, like, my birthday gift will actually be there on her birthday. And I bought it, you know, sort of last minute, but I had to wait for it to, like, sort of come across my desk. Like, I didn't know what to get her. And then the perfect thing, I sort of arrived on my Instagram. And she was like, I feel like I know what you got me. And I already bought it for myself. And I was like, what? She's like, Hunsy G Burberry Experie. So, yes, I got her two swimsuits from the Huns of G Exper. And she had already bought one, but she bought. I bought her two. Like, two different colors, and she got a different color, so she has three. And she can return when she doesn't like. And that just means I slayed.

[Claudia]

It's true.

[Jackie]

That's how you do Satchel.

[Claudia]

Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, Mrs. Satchel. Happy birthday to you.

[Jackie]

We love you, Satchel. The place looks great. It always does.

[Claudia]

Well, it always does.

[Jackie]

I love her.

[Claudia]

I know.

[Jackie]

I love little Sachi. Let's just go home and call her, okay? Call it a day. Also, you guys, shower her with love today. Tell her her work outfit is adorable, and just be sweet to Sachi. Okay?

[Claudia]

Be sweet to Sachi.

[Jackie]

Bsts.

[Claudia]

Oh, I thought of a new acronym this morning.

[Jackie]

Okay.

[Claudia]

And I'm going to start using it. PETA

[Jackie]

Parchee.

[Claudia]

No, P I T A M.

[Jackie]

Please.

[Claudia]

Can I show you?

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Pain in the ass. I gotta love that.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Peter, Peter, Peter.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our first story? In no particular order, Kim Kardashian makes a difficult decision in her law journey after multiple failed bar attempts. So reports are saying now that Kim has skipped the February bar exam, no plans to try again in July. The tests are offered twice per year. You get two tries per year. Sources are saying that she will not try again until 2027.

[Claudia]

Okay, like, listen, you know, John F. Kennedy Jr. Famously had to take it a couple of times. I just want to say, first of all, she has to see this through and she has to pass. Like, there's no option. There's no. Yeah. I mean, she's made it her whole personality. She's literally missed out on, like, hours and hours of her family and her children for this test. It means she has to.

[Jackie]

That's how I feel. Like. But I just want to say on the John F. Kennedy Jr. Point, like, he has no. He had no other options in life other than to take the bar, become a lawyer, and, like, follow that political path. Like, for Kim, this was meant to be a hobby, really. She has.

[Claudia]

It's become more trouble than it's worth.

[Jackie]

She has eight other careers. Like, John F. Kennedy would have had no career.

[Claudia]

No, I mean, she has to do it not because of her career, but

[Jackie]

because of the time she's already put in. Other times she's already put in.

[Claudia]

And we know her obsession with, like, proving people wrong. We got a lot of flack for, like, skirting. She was. Got a lot of flack for, like, skirting the system because she didn't go to law school. She did, like, the internship, and so

[Jackie]

maybe she needs to go to law school.

[Claudia]

I just want to say some of the dumbest people I know have passed the bar. Like, is she okay? It's because she didn't go to law school.

[Jackie]

Yeah, I guess now that.

[Claudia]

Tutors.

[Jackie]

That she's trying to do law school, like, vis a vis tutors. But most people go to law school and then pass the bar. They dedicate.

[Claudia]

No. And Jackie, most people go to law school and then actively work at a law firm during. As, like, a paralegal and shit. During those years that, like, passing the bar is not even hard.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah. But trying to pass the bar while also an actress, running skims, an influencer, a celebrity.

[Claudia]

Like, she can't fail again. Like, she literally can't fail again the next time she takes it. So maybe she knows that she has, like, a really busy next couple of months and that if she were to take it, she wouldn't pass. But, like, she needs, like, just for her public image. Like, she's obsessed with proving people wrong. She's obsessed with what people think about her.

[Jackie]

At this point, I don't even feel like she's proving people wrong. Like, it's really just her versus herself versus the bar exam.

[Claudia]

Like, no, she has a lot of criticism, not from us, but, like, from the Internet.

[Jackie]

No. At this point, no one is, like, critiquing her harder than herself. Like, no one is more invested in her. She has to prove to herself that she can do this. It's really not about what people are saying. Everyone sort of moved on.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I just don't understand, like, working that hard if you don't have to.

[Jackie]

Yeah, she has to pass because, like, then it would make every hour that she spent, like, really irrelevant. Yeah. And that's a big pill to swallow because we've seen her on the show. She's studying on set breaks, and she's, you know, spending days.

[Claudia]

Birthday parties. Yeah.

[Jackie]

But if it were all that, to fail, if it were me personally, I would.

[Claudia]

You would cut your losses.

[Jackie]

I would cut my losses. But, like, that's why perhaps, like, I'm not destined for, like, great. Greatness beyond greatness, and I'll just have, like, an ordinary life.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I'm definitely destined for goodness, like, for good. I will try to a point within, like, reason.

[Jackie]

That's probably the difference between me and her and I. Kardashian.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

And I'm okay with that. That's the thing. Like, I'm okay with goodness. That would. That would be beautiful. To have some goodness.

[Claudia]

She needs to team up with Mike from Suits because he used to, like, take the LSATs for people and just. It's just a formality at this point. She's not going to be anyone's real lawyer, so just.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And then also. Yeah. When she passes the bar, like, then what?

[Claudia]

I don't know.

[Jackie]

I guess she can, like, be more effective in her criminal justice reform, but it's like, she has the people who do that you don't have to do.

[Claudia]

She has lawyers. Right.

[Jackie]

I don't know. I just feel bad. She's sort of, like, in a rough spot. Definitely.

[Claudia]

I bet she wishes she never started this stupid journey.

[Jackie]

It has been so many years at this point. Yeah. Like, so many hours. Yeah. Yeah. Awkward.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But I just want, like, if. I just want her to know, like, it's okay to Give up. And I do think in general, like, sometimes it's okay to give up.

[Claudia]

Yeah. Oh, agreed.

[Jackie]

Not all the time. You know, don't be a giver upper. But no one would ever accuse you of that. But, like, it's okay once in a while to just give up.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

But she never will.

[Claudia]

And, like, the Internet won't either, because, like, I forgot about this, but now I'm remembering that she didn't pass. And it's still something, but, like, if they keep reporting on it, like, it won't. The Internet and the media won't let people forget.

[Jackie]

Like, it won't.

[Claudia]

They won't let this quietly go into the night.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I wonder why. This was like, a report via TMZ of source saying, so I wonder, like, where this came from.

[Claudia]

And, you know, TMZ is a Kardashians outlet of choice. Right.

[Jackie]

So why did they, like, wake up and say, like, let's let TMZ know Kim's not taking the bar again this year?

[Claudia]

I have no idea.

[Jackie]

But I guess they felt the world needed to know.

[Claudia]

Well, thank you.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Our next story, some more legal news. Blake Lively made no money in the Justin Baldoni settlement, but the legal fight is not quite over yet.

[Claudia]

Jeez.

[Jackie]

No money change, chance in the settlement between Blake and Justin, but the legal fight is not quite over. Lively still has a pending motion for attorney fees and damages in connection with Baldoni failed defamation suit against her. Yeah, because if you sue someone and you lose, you have to pay their bills. And I. And did you see that the legal bills are up to $60 million?

[Claudia]

I did see that.

[Jackie]

That's fudgeing crazy.

[Claudia]

I mean, when you think about all the people who were deposed, like, Sony, like, this was so big. It's interesting that the settlement was $0. Like, I guess they all just agreed to cut their losses. And, like, it was only going to get worse for both of them. So

[Jackie]

especially a federal trial would have been insane.

[Claudia]

Huge. Like, what a waste of the federal courts's times, honestly.

[Jackie]

But, like, it would have been every day. Pictures, quotes.

[Claudia]

It would.

[Jackie]

It would have been bad for both of them. Like, and it makes complete sense that no one had to pay anyone to just end this.

[Claudia]

Well, did you see, like, Lively's mechanic drama? I actually feel bad for her.

[Jackie]

I did. We saw that headlines yesterday on the show. Like, Daily Mail.

[Claudia]

No, no, no, no. Something else. Like, so rumors were kind of swirling in a formal capacity that she, like, wasn't invited because you. To get to the Met Gala. It's like, you have to come with a brand or a designer. She wore Versace and then Versace posted on her Instagram. Their Instagram, you know, Blake Lively wearing atelier. So I think a lot of people assumed like she was at the 100, you know, her $100,000 seat was paid for by Versace. But then Vanity Fair came out with like the official list of attendees and invitees and she wasn't on it. So people were like she showed up uninvited when actually then do Maximo reported today, confirmed that she was actually a guest of Anna Wintour. And I guess Anna can white invite whoever she wants at her discretion.

[Jackie]

Of course she can.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And they are like old school. She's like an OG Mechala.

[Jackie]

I. I saw that people were saying she wasn't invited. I did not believe it for one second. She's an OG and a swirly. She can go. It would be like saying Sarah Jessica Parker wasn't invited to the Met gala.

[Claudia]

Correct.

[Jackie]

She is the Met gala.

[Claudia]

Was she there?

[Jackie]

She was not there. Oh, I don't know.

[Claudia]

Andy must have been devastated.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah, he missed out. Unless they're sticking it to the Bezos's maybe. Which the Bezos is really noticed. Yeah. From their five hundred million dollar yacht. Yeah.

[Claudia]

They were bummed.

[Jackie]

SJP wasn't there either.

[Claudia]

I could see like Laura Nicole Sanchez loving Andy.

[Jackie]

You think so?

[Claudia]

Yeah. She's just a girl.

[Jackie]

I don't know. But if she loved Annie, like, I feel like she's sort of like not in Andy's worlds.

[Claudia]

Well, I feel like actually at one point she would have been great because before she was Mrs. Bezos, like, she was still like a real hustler, gal about town and married to a very wealthy. I mean, comparatively, he's a popper, but pretty wealthy. She could have been like a potential cast mate for Beverly Hills. She actually would have been good in her former life.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Yeah. But I.

[Claudia]

But alas, she had other plans for herself.

[Jackie]

Yeah. She dreamt bigger. She dreamed it. What's it called? What's that saying?

[Claudia]

Dream it and it will be or whatever. She treat like she believed she could. So she did many to make like an inspirational quote with like a picture of that. Yeah. And that quote.

[Jackie]

She believed she could.

[Claudia]

So she. And she. And she literally did.

[Jackie]

It's so true.

[Claudia]

It's such a good quote.

[Jackie]

She's such an inspiration.

[Claudia]

It really is.

[Jackie]

Kim needs a little of that to believe that she can pass the bar.

[Claudia]

And she will.

[Jackie]

I think like if she took the bar twice a year. Every year for the rest of her life, she would eventually pass the bar, right? Just, like, she would have the questions by accident.

[Claudia]

Yeah. But like on Kardashians, when she, like, went to a hotel and spent the weekend away from her kids and was, like, getting massages, like, all this. She's seriously so funny. Like, why is she doing all that?

[Jackie]

I don't know.

[Claudia]

I know the massages, like, that was.

[Jackie]

She's like, in, like.

[Claudia]

Didn't she miss someone's birthday party?

[Jackie]

Like, constantly in conference rooms? Like, stressed to the nine. She, like, threw her back out with her index cards. She threw her back out studying for the test. She said she couldn't sit. Like, the stress of it. Just stop. Enjoy your life. Like, life is short. Don't spend it studying for the bar if you don't need to become a lawyer. It's true.

[Claudia]

Like, you're literally a billionaire. Like, you have the privilege of not having to do all this. Like, so why are you doing it? Why are you on a Hulu set filming a turn show with Sarah Paulson even though my new vocal. Same. Have you seen that video? Jackie Pattaya?

[Jackie]

Yeah. What is that?

[Claudia]

When Kim's doing press for All's Fair with Sarah Paulson, who's like, literally her best friend in the world, they're doing press with this very. I want to say she's like. Well, she has a really thick accent and they're in the UK and she's asking Kim, like, cute questions about, like, UK culture. She's like, you like a jacket potato. And she's saying jacket potato, which is just a baked potato. And Sarah Paulson, like, understands, but Kim is like. She literally has no idea what the woman said. So she's like a jack potato. You never had a jack potato. And then Sarah Pulum's like, kim, yeah. You've never had a chicken potato. It's the best clip ever.

[Jackie]

That's funny.

[Claudia]

And they can't stop laughing. Like, they get. And then Kim's like, oh, a baked potato. Yes. Sour cream cheese. Once she understands, it was really funny.

[Jackie]

Yum. A baked potato is yummy.

[Claudia]

Doesn't do it for me.

[Jackie]

I'm not surprised.

[Claudia]

A fried potato is more my spoon.

[Jackie]

Like a French fried dairy.

[Claudia]

Correct.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Some cute news. Travis Kelsey says he can't wait for this element of his wedding to Taylor Swift. So on new heights this week, Travis and Jason.

[Claudia]

Oh, wait, I missed this. I'm like, I'm kind of blushing.

[Jackie]

It's actually. It's gonna be A hard one for you to swallow because their guest guest was Rory McElroy. And it was actually Rory McElroy who said the cute thing.

[Claudia]

So impossible. It's literally. You have the. You read it wrong.

[Jackie]

Just wait. It's really cute. Give, like, hold space. Okay. Because McElroy, who won the Masters again this year, was discussing the honor of hosting the tournament's annual Masters Champions Dinner. When he mentioned the nuptials, he said, travis, you'll feel this this year. Whenever you're sitting at your wedding, you have all of the people in a room from, like, it's so amazing. It's. To have all these people in the same room from your childhood, and it's surreal. It's unbelievable. The only thing that I can compare it to is your wedding day because it's like, all of this collection of people in the same room. It's, like, wild. And Travis replied. I can't wait.

[Claudia]

Stop. I like this story got significantly less cute when you told me Rory McElroy was involved.

[Jackie]

Like, but it's a sentiment to think about, like, everyone that you know in your life, they probably, like, they're never going to all be together. They don't know each other, but, like, they are at their wedding. That's, like, really beautiful. Makes you, like, can justify spending all that money. Yeah, you know, I like.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I'm really excited. I'm just trying to, like, move past the Roy Mackerel.

[Jackie]

Right. Like, why do you hate him so much?

[Claudia]

It's a good question.

[Jackie]

Was there a something? Well, how does Ben feel about him?

[Claudia]

Like, hates, because it's like, you're always rooting for an American and he's, like, always winning. It's annoying. It's, like, why people hate LeBron. Like, it's just because he's good.

[Jackie]

I understand.

[Claudia]

Also, your faves are never gonna win because, like, he's always over here winning.

[Jackie]

Have you seen, like, this stuff about live golf drama?

[Claudia]

What, they're, like, over?

[Jackie]

Yeah, it's, like, over. They, like, defunded it.

[Claudia]

Oh, man. You're seriously, like, five years late. I'm cracking up. Yeah, they, like, merged.

[Jackie]

No, they merged. That's different. But then there were still players, like, living. But, like, the Saudis aren't funding live golf anymore. It's, like, done.

[Claudia]

Oh, so all that for nothing and all.

[Jackie]

Not really.

[Claudia]

Well, the people who, like, stood their ground and didn't take $500 million deals just for, like, this whole thing to be over in a few years. Like, you should have taken the money.

[Jackie]

No, I feel like the opposite. They look like sellouts.

[Claudia]

Well, I often think, like, what I would do in a situation like that, because I love, genuinely love money more than anything in this world, but I am, like, a deeply, unfortunately scrupled person. So if I knew that, like, this $100 million. But it has to be like, these are people who, like, $100 million is a lot, but they also have $100 million.

[Jackie]

They probably have 30 million, and they're okay.

[Claudia]

So, like, no, I would take it.

[Jackie]

Like, I triple your net worth.

[Claudia]

I like to think that I'm better than that. But, like, in actuality, I'm really okay. I'm tripling my net worth. I have a family.

[Jackie]

Like, I don't think that you would.

[Claudia]

Well, I know, because you wouldn't let me. No, but I think that if I were born in a different family, I would have.

[Jackie]

I know you. I, like, know us offline, and I just know you. You wouldn't do it.

[Claudia]

I'm. I would love to have a second home one day.

[Jackie]

Like, okay, so it'll be a smaller home.

[Claudia]

Great.

[Jackie]

I just. I know you, Turdsville. But anyways, I look forward to getting the whole situation explained.

[Claudia]

Oh, but then do I have to, like, go to Saudi Arabia?

[Jackie]

I don't know.

[Claudia]

Like, do you have to go to. I didn't think about that part. I thought, like, they would just pay me in the US but if it

[Jackie]

involves travel, there might be, like, tour stops.

[Claudia]

There might be Riyadh Comedy Festival where all those comedians were, like, getting canceled.

[Jackie]

Would you have done that?

[Claudia]

No, because you have to go.

[Jackie]

Yeah, they said, like, bring the N Log Tour to Riyadh.

[Claudia]

No, as, like, a chesty Jewess. Like, I'm not going to Saudi Arabia. Like, sorry, I'm just not okay.

[Jackie]

So scrupled.

[Claudia]

Scared. We're so scared, if I'm being honest. But, like, if the money was just wired and I had to just participate in, like, Saudi activities in the States. Oh, it's on.

[Jackie]

Okay. Okay. So that's where you draw the line. Yeah.

[Claudia]

If I have to physically go, I can't.

[Jackie]

That part I don't know. I don't know where this. Where the tourist stops are for Liz.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

Well, anyways, like, hopefully it's in this season of full swing because I don't want to wait till next year to understand what happened. But I do think net Net, like, it's not good for the live players. I think they look like idiots.

[Claudia]

They get insane guests on that New Heights podcast. Like, it's wild.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Leonard, like, and People who've never done a podcast before in their life. Leonardo DiCaprio sitting down, being like, what is this?

[Jackie]

I kind of want to listen to it because it's like, it's really hard to do, like, remote podcast interview, like, and have a great interview.

[Claudia]

So there are a couple of podcasts that are just absolutely slay the remote game. I don't know if. Oh, you probably didn't see this, but this tick tock kind of went, like, viral of a girl being like, I cannot believe that Jackie and Claudia live in different states. Like, and it was one of the best, like, feelings ever for me. This girl was like, wait, did everybody know this? They're not in the same room. She was like, but it looks like it too, because she watches. She doesn't even just listen. She watches.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

I don't know of a higher compliment, honestly.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that's really great. So I would put us in the category of, like, slaying the remote.

[Claudia]

The greats. Absolutely. It's new heights. They do a really good job. No lag. I don't know a single other podcast

[Jackie]

I'm trying to think that slays remote

[Claudia]

podcasting, but we don't do interviews. They do. That's really impressive. It's impossible to do a zoom interview. It's miserable.

[Jackie]

Good guys must do pretty good on remote. They have our setup.

[Claudia]

They do. They copied us. Yeah.

[Jackie]

So.

[Claudia]

But they're, like, still in the TNN family.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So CNN crushes remote podcasting. We should become a network for remote podcasters.

[Claudia]

That's kind of a good idea.

[Jackie]

It is. It's very niche.

[Claudia]

Except that, like, I have no ambition these days. Like, I. I was just talking about this. I am so leaning in. Actually, I was just playing mahjong. And, you know, a lot of my friends are moms. Some of them are full time moms, some of them are working moms. And one of my friends was talking about, like, you know, she's kind of feeling like she wants to leave the workforce. She's three kids. I'm like, do it. Like, I'm so toxic. Like, like, my personal experience with motherhood has been like, it drained me of any ambition, and I love it. And I feel like at first I was like, wait, no, I have. Was I kind of fighting that feeling. That's why I did the Masked Singer. Like, I was fighting the feeling. I was like, no, no. Because I've always been like, we have to go. We have to be here. We have to do this. And now I'm leaning in, like, a little Too hard. I keep like, pulling out stuff and like canceling. Like, but, but like, I just don't want to work. Like, I just want to do the minimum to pay my bills, which is showing up and doing the show.

[Jackie]

Yeah, no will do this.

[Claudia]

I will. Don't worry, guys. Like, I will never not do.

[Jackie]

This is the perfect amount, you know, and running the toast and everything that comes with it. It like, because it gives you that creative outlet which I think if you didn't have as a mom would be hard for someone like you who's so creative.

[Claudia]

Y.

[Jackie]

But it allows you to really be like a full time mom outside of this. But I think you'll also get to a phase where right now it's like, you still think, I know I should do that. So you say yes and then you cancel. But in a couple of months you'll be at a place where I know I need to say no to every.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

So it's just sort of an awkward phase.

[Claudia]

Yeah, it is. It's transitional. So if you see me at an event and then they like cancel, like, that's why.

[Jackie]

No, I also, I'm in a place where it's like, I keep thinking, like, in three months or in six months, like, my life is going to look completely different. I'm going to have my shit together. I can do this, that, and the other thing and then those things roll around. I'm like, no, I can't.

[Claudia]

Of course I can't. Am I crazy?

[Jackie]

What was I thinking? And it's been that way for four

[Claudia]

years because I went to, I hosted like a fireside chat with, with the moderator, Rosalie Andrew Medine. And I was talking about this and she's like, OG Hustler blogger girl. And I was like, no, I literally have no ambition. And like, and I love it. Like, and I. And I, I want to talk about it because I feel like that happens to women. And you're just like, you're supposed to. You're not. You're supposed to. You're supposed to feel bad and you're supposed to think, well, that's wrong because, like, I can't lose my career is good. Yeah. And it's like, well, yeah, but it's okay if you don't want to. Like, it's absolutely okay. And then she was just like.

[Jackie]

But also it's like, it's worth mentioning. It's not to like, sit around, meet bon bons all day. It's to like, be a mother, you know, which. There's no more worthy job in the World.

[Claudia]

It's to be a mother and eat at the same time, holding space for two things and sit around. Absolutely. Because I'm not getting back on the floor. My back is still really bad. Like, yeah, I have an icy hot on. Now I'm in hell.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So then what did she say?

[Claudia]

Oh, she was like, oh, that's so funny. A total opposite for me. Like, the second I gave birth. And she said it was because she had girls, maybe. And, like, she's like, the girls gave her, like, this insane, intense ambition, like, to go achieve. And I was like, oh, opposite for me. Slide.

[Jackie]

Oh, I guess, like, because maybe you want your daughters to, like, see what a woman can do.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And whereas, like, I'm prepping my son to have just, like, a. A concubine. Like a wife. No. Like, literally, I make be. Do everything. Like, we had that meeting in Florida. I sent Ben to meet you. Like, I just want to be home. Like. And you know what? I'm. I'm finally, like, leaning in. I'm like, that's good. Like, it's good. I just. It was. It's so polar opposite who I was before I had a baby. So it's like, it's been a transition, and it was a tough one to swallow, but now I'm, like, telling all my friends. I'm like, you should quit. Like, you should literally quit.

[Jackie]

You're like, Emily Blunt.

[Claudia]

Absolutely.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Good advice.

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

Are you ready for our fourth story? Lizzo is speaking out about her lawsuits. She said the truth will come out in court. So Lizzo is not backing down from her legal issues. In fact, she's leaning all the way in, saying she's ready to take the stand and let the truth speak for her itself. She sat down with CBS News host Gail King for an interview that aired on Monday, and she made her stance clear. She's not settling, not hiding, and definitely not scared of what might come out in court. She said she is not scared of story.

[Claudia]

The the truth.

[Jackie]

So backstory. A group of her former dancers claimed she created a toxic work environment, accusing her of sexual harassment, weight shaming, and putting them in uncomfortable situations on tour. Lizzo says when she first got hit with the lawsuit, her reaction was simple. It's not true. But she didn't go firing back publicly right away, explaining that she felt a responsibility to keep it measured because of what she represents to fans. Still, don't get it twisted. She's fighting this thing all the way through. Despite having the option to settle. She says that's not happening. Calling that the easy way out and insisting she's standing firm because she believes the claims against her are flat out false. She doubled down on denying specific accusations, including fat shaming allegations, while acknowledging the case is ongoing and limiting how much she can say, oh, classic. Let me do, like a huge interview and let you know that I'm in the middle of my lawyer and speak about it. She also, Gail asked her if she would testify if it goes to trial. Lizzo didn't hesitate. She said absolutely, adding that she would look fabulous doing it. She said the truth will come out.

[Claudia]

So, you know, a couple of weeks ago, we were having the conversation about people who have, like, actually successfully been canceled. Remember Matilda Jerf? We need to add Lizzo. We should start a list because for the most part, I feel like cancel culture is just like, it's a part of the ecosystem we live in. Like, you have to have it in order. But there's some people who it genuinely wipes out. And I feel like Lizzo is one of those people. I don't know if you even know this, but she, like, still very actively and frequently releases music.

[Jackie]

No, I didn't know that. But, like, is the music good?

[Claudia]

Because it's all like, all of her music is just good, like radio hits.

[Jackie]

Right? But, like, if she's releasing bops, like,

[Claudia]

you can't stop the bops, it's a little bit dated. I think a lot of her music is like that, like, self love anthem over and over and over again, which is, like, feels a little. I feel it's also why, like, what's her name? Meghan Trainor is, like, struggling a little bit. It's just like a corny old style of music that people aren't, like, drawn to anymore. But, you know, every now and then, even Meghan Trainor has a hit. I just feel like Lizzo really can't get arrested. I feel like when we talk about people who have been successfully canceled, we don't talk about Lizzo. But she really has.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I do think it's more so like, the people, because sometimes you get canceled by, like, the industry and they won't. They won't touch you. But, like, people still like you, you know?

[Claudia]

Right. Other times, by the way, people like that do find their way back into the industry because if you have a huge fan base who, like, wants to see you in movies or whatever, the industry does often come crawling back. Sometimes the industry refuses to cancel someone and the people are like, are you serious? We don't want to see this rapist In a movie. Stop.

[Jackie]

Yeah. So sometimes, like, the industry, they still props it up, but, like, nobody's watching their stuff, buying their stuff, whatever. Like, it's kind of giving Balenciaga.

[Claudia]

Right.

[Jackie]

And I do feel that way about Lizzo. The fact that she's on CBS News with Gail King, like, if she were an actual, like, person, I feel like

[Claudia]

the industry actually has also sort of let her go. You don't see her, like, performing at award shows or, like, like doing gigs. Like, I think the audience and the industry has sort of like, they were gonna wait to see what happened with the trial. And then we also just like, like,

[Jackie]

everyone stopped caring, you know?

[Claudia]

Yeah.

[Jackie]

She's also a pop star. Like, you can't really stop for too long of a time.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I think it was a combo of both.

[Jackie]

But I also think it's like, what the allegations are against term is so the antithesis of her, and it's so the antithesis of her brand that, like, if she doesn't, if those things are not true about her brand, she has no brand. Like, she has nothing.

[Claudia]

It's the Ellen of it all. Like, you can't have a show about kindness and be the nastiest bitch on the planet. You can't be a body positive queen who's calling all your dancers like, yeah, so jvn, you can't be like, you know, the feelings person and then the evil person. Yeah, yeah, you can't do both. And I think those are, like, a lot of really effective cancellations is when we find out that your real Persona is the polar opposite of who you

[Jackie]

everything built yourself up on. So it's like, take those things away and you have nothing. Whereas sometimes someone, like, turns out to be like a diva or whatever, but it's like, oh, they never seemed, like, super nice. That's not why we like that. We like their music, whatever.

[Claudia]

Correct.

[Jackie]

So this child should be interesting. I mean, you know, if the truth is on her side, then she deserves justice. But I do think, regardless, like, it's kind of bananas that it's going to trial.

[Claudia]

Don't you find it's bananas? I would agree. I find that as well. At the end of the day, when people, when somebody, like, rides so hard for themselves, like, like, I, I, I am inclined to believe her only because she had an opportunity to settle. She didn't. She's, you know, doing press. So I do believe her. But, like, why would a dancer lie about it, you know? Like, I don't know. It's a tough situation.

[Jackie]

Yeah, it is. Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Thank you, Turts.

[Claudia]

You're welcome, jerk.

[Jackie]

Our fifth and final story that will lead into the little Summerhouse recap is that Summer House's K.J. dillard reads Wes Wilson's post, reading an apology text to him live on air on watch what happens live last night.

[Claudia]

So let me tell you that I didn't find last night's episode of Summer House even, like, remotely interesting. What was the central.

[Jackie]

What happened?

[Claudia]

Well, it was at the very end where Lindsay had her second annual Freedom dinner. She was being so funny. She brought up with Kyle, like, again, he, he's going on tour. Do you think that's good for your wife? You claim you want to start a family and everyone's just sort of piling on. Kyle, Amanda's just sitting there and Kyle. This happened all at the last 30 seconds. So the driveway fight that's been teased happens next week because Carl and him get up and whatever. It's not even a fight between Carl and Kyle. It's a fight between Lindsay and Kyle. And he just looks at Amanda and he goes, you. It was really crazy. And the whole table, everybody gets up. West picks up his chair and moves it next to Amanda and like, just like sits next to her. Amanda's like, smiling. She's like, not even affected. But before that, like, like, literally nothing happened. I'm actually trying to think, yeah, it was just like, whatever on Watch happens live. So I happen to actually really like kj. I did not like what he did on watch what happens live. And let me tell you why. And it's funny that this is the story because, like, that was my main takeaway. First of all, he was whispering on watch happens live. I could not hear anyone else. Jamie Lynn Sigler was talking at a normal volume. I had to increase the volume every time KJ spoke. So the question was because, you know, he had made a couple of tweets that, like, you know, Wes never apologized him, like, you know, centering himself. And so Andy was like, by the way, have you heard from West? And KJ was like, actually, yes, he texted me after the reunion, but, you know, I had such bad anxiety. It's literally like I haven't even opened it. It's been unopened in my phone for the last week.

[Jackie]

Yeah, this is what he said. He said I didn't even look at the message. I was a bit scared to look at it. I still haven't looked at it. There's only one unread message in my inbox and it's his. So then Andy, then, like, Andy asked,

[Claudia]

but then Andy was also like, you don't have to. Because it really was like an invasion. KG was more than happy to do it, which, like, that's your friend. And I know Wes has made a lot of mistakes, but it's kind of like what we say about Jesse. Like, if that's your best friend, like, of course you can hold him accountable, but you don't have to, like, leave him out to dry.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And it just felt like kj, like, was just a little too excited to, like, I don't know, expose his friend when in the. At the end of the day, West's text was actually quite lovely.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

This is what the text, it was so personal and it really should not have been read.

[Jackie]

And it's like, it's weird that KJ hadn't read it before because it's like you don't know what's in there and you're really going to read this live on television.

[Claudia]

They went to an audience Q and A, and Andy said, read it and if you don't want to share it, you don't have to, but if you want to, you can. And so he read it and then said he wanted to share it.

[Jackie]

This is it it. I wanted to thank you for your articulation and kindness yesterday, despite being hurt. I've been off social and I think I lost touch with how much hurt there was. I'm incredibly sorry. Also sending you love in regards to your mental health. You shared a lot yesterday and I know it mightn't carry much weight now, but I'm always rooting for the best for you. I know it will take some time, but whenever you feel like you're ready, lunch or a phone call would mean a lot. In the spirit of healing. No need to respond. Take your time. After he shared the text, KJ admitted that it hurt to review that. He said it just hurts because it's like, like me and him were so close.

[Claudia]

I mean, as terms, in terms of like, how apology texts can go. That's a pretty stellar one, if I'm being honest. So the reading of it on tv, I just feel. I honestly thought it was really unnecessary and rude. And I felt like Andy regretted asking KJ to do that. And so he said, like, you don't have to. But KG was, like, genuinely more than happy to. I don't know, I just didn't like it.

[Jackie]

Like, no, it's a bad look. I. I especially, like, you came on

[Claudia]

the show as KJ's. As West's friend.

[Jackie]

They have prior history.

[Claudia]

Prior history. Are they both from St. Louis, or like, they have something? I don't know. I just. It was icky. It was mean and, like, not me here. Defending West. Like, Wes is on his podcast with Sophie Cunningham. Like, I saw CL this morning, business as usual, just talking about the reunion and the leaks. Like, in a very, like, sober way.

[Jackie]

He talked about the reunion. He said it was, like, just very dark form of therapy. You know, there's never really a situation in life where. Where you are exposed to hearing, like, how much about your actions, like, affect everybody. So, like, it's just a lot. But, you know, time will start to heal. And the reunion, this is just the first step, which is true. And as much as, like, they did a bad thing, they did do a bad thing. Like, everybody else making it about them being, like, so affected. It's just a lot, you know? And, yeah, I feel like with Scandal, that happened a lot. The two of them had been together for, like, 10 years, and Lala and everybody, like, making the moment about, like, their podcast and whatnot. And everybody was so mad because they were, like, deceived for a very long time. Him and Ariana were together for 10 years. They were hooking up during the season. Like, it was. The deception was insane. Like, deep psychopathic levels. You could never trust these people again. I do believe the timeline of Amanda and West. I think they had, like, a month or so where they were lying about it because they were trying to figure it out. And, like, why do you need to tell someone? Like, I understand they shouldn't have lied. I understand why they did, but that's not what they should have done. And just. It's just everyone just doing, like, the most and, like, being so hurt. Like, just stop.

[Claudia]

Well, Jesse Solomon was, like, breaking my heart on last night's episode, because, you know, I'm telling you, he's in, like, his sad boy era. There's just, like, a. There's a brokenness inside of him. And last Night. He was like, you know what it is? It's like, I just feel so lonely and I think I'm like, trying to fix that with these relationships. And I keep going after the wrong people, like Sierra, but there's like a brokenness inside of me that I need to fix. It was quite self reflective. He also brought everyone to this camp.

[Jackie]

Well, you know who would have been there for him?

[Claudia]

Lexi. He brought everyone to, like, this camp where, like, you know, kids with cancer can go and, like, spend the summers with their siblings. And it was so cute. They all were like, volunteering. It was actually, like, so sweet. I. I forgot that about Jesse, that he had cancer. And it was just like, I don't know if he went to this camp, what his connection was, but it was really sweet. That is really the big banner moment from the episode is that, you know, they do a beach day and everyone's talking about everyone. Mia and Amanda are sitting on beach chairs just talking about, like, you know, it feels like Sierra and West are like kind of moving quickly back to something because, you know, they had that double date or like, it's just like. And they're talking about how, you know, he needs to be so different. And Amanda's like. And like, she's such a special type. This is what I meant to say. Like, Sierra's such a special type of girl. Like, he has to do a complete, like, you know, 180 lobotomy, like, to be right for her. And if he doesn't, like, you don't understand. Like, I ride for Sierra. Like, if Sierra said to me, like, we're cutting off west, like, I would never talk to west again.

[Jackie]

Bad.

[Claudia]

Yeah, it was really crazy.

[Jackie]

Yeah, that's what's crazy about this season. It's just like watching how far she digs this hole for herself.

[Claudia]

And the editing is now you can tell, like, this is so post Scamanda Ball editing. Because everything, every time Wes does something, they cut to Amanda. Every time Amanda, like, they're being really funny about it. And like the. Just the. The music, like when she said that, it was like, oh, okay. Yeah. But it wasn't like a crazy episode. Okay, well, the big driveway fight happens next week. And I don't even know why Carl and Kyle would be fighting because Kyle gets so upset at this dinner. They're having dinner in the house because everyone's attacking him for, like, DJing and not being, like a real. And I get like he can't articulate his emotions. But. But now knowing what we know, he's Basically saying like, oh, you're all coming at me for like not being a family man, but like, she doesn't even want to have a family with me. Like, we're not in a real marriage. Like, this is fraudulent. But instead he just says you to Amanda. And so everybody's like, girl, are you okay? So he storms out and Carl chases after him, trying to calm him down. And then I guess next week we'll see, like, him calming him down turns into a fight between the two of them. I have no idea.

[Jackie]

Yeah, no, it's crazy what the like, reaction would have been to Carl Kyle this morning had Wes Mandeval not happen because, yeah, that's a horrible thing to say to your wife.

[Claudia]

Of course. And it was just that the way he said it also was like extreme. It was like you.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Like, it was like he meant every syllable and every.

[Claudia]

Every consonant.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

So chilling.

[Jackie]

Yeah. Now everyone's like, yeah, you.

[Claudia]

All right, let's dive into Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment where Jackie and I try to help back and you know, how about our community if you guys ever need advice and you think, you know, what would those savvy young things over at the toast think? Well, you can write us an email, dear toasters, gmail.com or head over to our website, the toastpodcast.com to get your submission read online. Of course, we always keep it anonymous and we'll do our best to help you. Ready, Jacks?

[Jackie]

I'm ready, Turt.

[Claudia]

Dear Toasters, I. This is an emergency. Please help me. Here's some context. My husband and I have an 11 week old daughter. My husband's grandfather has been in prison for five years for sex crimes against a teenager, a teenage relative. He's up for parole this week. My husband and his family believe he is innocent, but he was convicted on multiple counts and has already been denied parole twice. If he's released, he. He will move in with my in laws and be a registered as a Tier 3 sex offender. This means a registered sex offender could be living in the same home where our daughter would normally go for holidays, parties, sleepovers. And my husband's family is acting like this is not a concern. How do I keep my daughter safe in this situation?

[Jackie]

Like, no, it's.

[Claudia]

It's giving. No contact. I'm sorry, you'll have to go. You'll have to go somewhere else for the holidays.

[Jackie]

It's giving. No is a full sentence.

[Claudia]

Yeah, I don't think you need to explain yourself. It's nice that they believe he's Innocent. And let's say, worst case scenario, he is like, you did everything you can to protect your daughter. Like, you shouldn't feel bad about that for one second. Like, good. Good day, sir.

[Jackie]

It's. It's going to be a no from me. You could have Christmas at your house. Invite your in laws.

[Claudia]

Of course everyone's welcome.

[Jackie]

Except not grandpa.

[Claudia]

Granny?

[Jackie]

Old Grandpa.

[Claudia]

No.

[Jackie]

Kindly no. Yeah.

[Claudia]

Oh, and your husband's gonna have to get on board real quick.

[Jackie]

Oh, yeah.

[Claudia]

This needs to be like, you can't even negotiate.

[Jackie]

Not even like, okay, we'll stay for like an hour. And he never's like, it gets my lap.

[Claudia]

No, it's not. Oh no. You'll host at your house. You can go to your families. Just take a vacation. I don't give a. Okay.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Yeah. No, that was an easy one.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

Hey, girlies. I need advice on what to do. My husband and I moved into a new house and while unpacking some boxes, I found a bunch of old notebooks. While flipping through them to see if they were anything important, I found that one. One that appeared to be a journal that my husband kept. The last entry was about how unhappy he was in our relationship. The entry was dated two months before he proposed. We've been now married for two years. We have a six month old. Things between us have been good. But I was really sad and surprised to read that just two months before he proposed. He was so unhappy. It makes me feel icky about the proposal. Do I bring it up? Do I let it go since things seem fine and he has not written in it since. I don't want him to be angry that I read his journal in the first place. Thanks.

[Jackie]

Irrelevant.

[Claudia]

Irrelevant. Of course, given the date. And also like, you're really not ever allowed to be mad at something someone wrote in their journal because people are allowed to have thoughts.

[Jackie]

Yeah.

[Claudia]

And you reading it and I, I believe you when you say it was an accident.

[Jackie]

Sure it wasn't. No, I, I, like, of course it was important. Like, you knew and you knew immediately it was a journal. And then you went to the last entry like, please be honest with us,

[Claudia]

girl, we see you, we see you. It's fine. Yeah. Don't lie to us. Okay. Lie to your journal. So you can't be mad when you read someone's journal because first of all, that's such a invasion of privacy. It's like one of the most invasive things you can do. Sorry you didn't like what you saw, but he obviously was just like working through stuff because he did decide to propose, and now you have a family, and, like, you say, it's all good. Don't make trouble.

[Jackie]

It's like, I'm sure at one point I was like, also, like, issues that you have before you're engaged, like, dating issues. Like, they. Some. Most of them, like, work themselves out,

[Claudia]

you know, as you thought in college, being, like, this guy and it was Ben. Like, you know.

[Jackie]

Yeah. No, but, like, the issues that you have at present, whatever they are, they're actually, like, different issues usually than, like, what it. At least for me, like, than the things when you were dating. And so, like, you guys are a whole new family or a new couple. Like, it's really irrelevant. And sometimes you, like, some things can be solved when you do, like, decide to commit to somebody, you know, and, like, propose and, like, start a life and start a family, and, like, some of those other things get washed away. Like, it's literally irrelevant.

[Claudia]

Yeah. And like, you. What are you gonna say? Hey, I was reading your journal.

[Jackie]

I'm sure if you mentioned it to him, he might not even remember what you're talking about. He.

[Claudia]

And, like, he. I. I gather that he's not a person who, like, continuously and frequently journals. So he was just, like, going through it. He had, like, a rough couple of

[Jackie]

months, and he journaled like, he had a hard day. So, like, he wrote something out because you had to fight or something. Like, irrelevant.

[Claudia]

Irrelevant.

[Jackie]

Agree.

[Claudia]

Jackie's right. Like, premarital relationship issues, barring, you know, like, cheating. Like a serial cheater. Like, they work themselves out.

[Jackie]

Like, if you found out that two months before you got engaged, like, Ben was, like, struggling in your relationship, like, what would that mean to you today?

[Claudia]

I don't know.

[Jackie]

But, like, it doesn't change where you're at today.

[Claudia]

Let me actually think. If Ben, like, had written a journal. No, it would have been fine.

[Jackie]

Well, you're also, like, you're very.

[Claudia]

I'm so emotional.

[Jackie]

Yeah. You're very intense and sensitive. Yeah, I'm very, like, rational, pragmatic. Yeah. And so, like, even though if something I'd heard, I'm like, I won't let it. If rationally I shouldn't, you know?

[Claudia]

Yeah. And sometimes for me, when emotions are involved, like, ration has no place.

[Jackie]

Yeah. But, like, no, seriously, that was 10 years ago. If you found out that two months before, he was just, like, having, like, a bunch of feelings. Things.

[Claudia]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Jackie]

I guess it would be, like, sort of disruptive because that's so against your narrative. Like, it's so against, like, the story

[Claudia]

of your relationship, we tell ourselves.

[Jackie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I can understand why, for you, that would be disruptive, but I

[Claudia]

don't know the story of this girl's

[Jackie]

relationship, and a lot of people, like, you know, like, bumps along the way, so I don't think that it should be that disruptive. But you know what I think for you, don't it?

[Claudia]

I can be.

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Claudia]

Okay.

[Jackie]

Thank you. That would be, like. That would be weird to find out because he, like, proposed so soon, so it was like. No, of course.

[Claudia]

It was a whirlwind romance. What are you talking about? It's perfect. All right. Our third and final. Hey, girlies. So I've been dating my boyfriend for about nine months now. Everything has been fabulous. He's 100 a p. Job. Sure. We just ran into our first problem, and I'm not sure if it's a deal breaker or not. His dad and stepmother had a backyard barbecue over the weekend, and this was the first time meeting his side of the family. After dinner, my boyfriend, his brother, and his stepsister and I changed into swimsuits. We had drinks by the pool in the hot tub. After a few drinks, his brother made a joke about my boyfriend sleeping with the stepsister years ago. I was shocked and grossed out. The next day I asked him about it, and he explained that they were in college and it was one drunk hookup. I'm still extremely grossed out, but I don't know if this is breakup worthy.

[Jackie]

Help. That's just, like, so unfortunate because, like, it's not breakup worthy. It's not really like, that he hooked up with his stepsister.

[Claudia]

Well, I need to know when the parents got married. Is this a stepsister who you lived in the same house with and grew up with, or, like, when you guys were both grown in college, like, your

[Jackie]

parents started dating and so you guys met and like, yeah, maybe for a minute you're like, oh, our parents get married, and then, like, we. You know.

[Claudia]

Yeah, but. Or did you guys go to, like, middle school together and sleep in the same house?

[Jackie]

Yeah, of course. Course.

[Claudia]

But if that's the case, I just want to say, if that's the case, that's a deal.

[Jackie]

Disgusting. But say it's not. Say it's like, their parents met when they were in college. So they met.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I have to say, I think it's disgusting, and I do think it's a deal breaker. I really do. And I know it's hard. I know it's hard to get a boyfriend. And so like, we have to be. Like, I think people are too into ick culture and deal breaker culture. So I try to be, you know, a little strict with my deal breaker cards. But I'm handing you a deal breaker card. Like, I think, think in no world is this normal. Sorry.

[Jackie]

I need more backstory and information because it's like.

[Claudia]

Like, I actually have decided I don't want more backstory and information because I think this is icky.

[Jackie]

Like, it is. It's uncomfortable. Of course it's uncomfortable. It's not ideal. And, you know, if they did do this, they should have never told anyone and took into their graves the fact that the whole family knows that. Like, this is very uncomfortable.

[Claudia]

No. And now you have to. Every family event, you're gonna be around a girl that your boyfriend slept with. Like, I'm sorry, this is wrong and bad and deal breaker. Her.

[Jackie]

Yeah. I don't know. Sorry. What if, like, he's really.

[Claudia]

Well, unless he's wealthy, then the one you know he's not?

[Jackie]

I don't know.

[Claudia]

It's only been nine months.

[Jackie]

Maybe you could, like, find other reasons to break up with him. You know, like. Like, start, like, making a list.

[Claudia]

I just feel like sleeping with your sister is a pretty good reason. I feel good about that.

[Jackie]

We all loved Clueless. Okay.

[Claudia]

Different.

[Jackie]

Not at all. They actually grew up, like, siblings.

[Claudia]

No, they never grew up in the same house when. No, no.

[Jackie]

But he used to come over as the brother.

[Claudia]

Very unnecessary. Like, plot twist was like, why couldn't he just have been, like, an intern for the dad? Why did he have to be the dad's ex wife's kid? Right. That's what it was.

[Jackie]

Yes.

[Claudia]

Yes.

[Jackie]

But he, like, came over, you know, a week every week, like, as her older brother. You know, it was a brotherly relationship.

[Claudia]

He should have just been the neighbor who had, like, an interest in law.

[Jackie]

Yeah. And I guess it's like, if you're gonna do this, it has to be your person. Like, if they're gonna have sex, the two of them, like, they need to get married because then it's fine. If they got married and their parents are married. That's just, like, a cute, funny story.

[Claudia]

Cute. Yeah.

[Jackie]

But you can't just do it to have sex. Like, and look at, like, that was really stupid. So it's not even just about the icky that he did that with his sister. Like, that was such a stupid move to have sex with someone that is going to be in your family for a long time.

[Claudia]

And when we talk about, like, siblings. No like, step, whatever. There's only one right way to do it. And if you've ever seen the movie, because I said so. Mandy Moore starts dating Gabriel Mock, who has, like. Oh, you know who his dad is. The guy who's in prison from seventh Heaven. What's his name? Whatever. He plays Gabriel Mokstad, and Diane Keaton is Mandy Moore's mom. And so the two of them start dating, and so their parents end up getting set up. The kids have to be first.

[Jackie]

Okay, but, like, say the parents were first. In the movie, the parents are meeting, so they are, like, bringing everyone together.

[Claudia]

Your boyfriend's son. Yeah. Okay. It's actually. It's not bad. It's not bad.

[Jackie]

It's not bad. However, if they just, like, had sex once and then both went on their merry way and brought product. No, Those two need to get married now.

[Claudia]

Yeah. I just want to go back to Clueless really quickly because there are so many ways in which it would have been, like, completely fine if not better, because here I have another.

[Jackie]

Well, it is based on Jane Austen, so.

[Claudia]

Oh, they were always getting freaky with their cousins.

[Jackie]

Yeah, probably.

[Claudia]

Okay. I have a million alternatives.

[Jackie]

Of course, I think we were honoring the text.

[Claudia]

It could have been, like, the neighbor, because, you know, Cher's mom passed away. It's like, maybe it was like. Like, the neighbor's mom was, like, best friends with Shara's mom. So, like, they were like, siblings, and they grew up sort of like, like, siblings, neighbors. The mom, they still live next door. And he also wants to become a lawyer, so he started working for Shar's dad. Shara's dad started, you know, seeing him like a son. The son he never had. I just feel like. Like, there was a million ways I could have done it. Yeah.

[Jackie]

No, they didn't want to, is the thing. They didn't want to because, of course, all those things would have been easier.

[Claudia]

You're right.

[Jackie]

But they wanted a little brother loving Hollywood is sick, and we've been trying to tell you.

[Claudia]

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[Jackie]

Love you bye.