Nothing Will Ever Be The Same Again: Thursday, May 15th, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast - "Nothing Will Ever Be The Same Again" (Thursday, May 15th, 2025)

Hosts:

• Claudia Oshry
• Jackie Oshry

Episode Overview: In the poignant and heartfelt episode titled "Nothing Will Ever Be The Same Again," hosts Claudia and Jackie Oshry navigate significant personal and professional changes as Claudia prepares for her maternity leave. The episode encapsulates their sisterly bond, reflections on their podcasting journey, insights into personal projects, and engaging discussions on current pop culture events.

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1. Farewell and Maternity Leave Announcement

The episode opens with Claudia and Jackie expressing mixed emotions about Claudia's upcoming maternity leave. Claudia shares her excitement and apprehension about stepping away from the podcast temporarily.

• Claudia Oshry [00:45]: "It's the last day of school, because we are breaking for summer."
• Jackie Oshry [09:33]: "I'm excited for you to be here because then we get to talk about those sorts of things."

They discuss the transition period, announcing that upcoming episodes will feature guest co-hosts while Claudia is on leave. This change marks a new chapter for "The Toast," highlighting their adaptability and commitment to maintaining content quality.

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2. Teasing Future Guests and Content

Claudia and Jackie build anticipation for future episodes by teasing upcoming guest co-hosts. They hint at exciting personalities from various media backgrounds who will bring fresh perspectives to the show.

• Claudia Oshry [02:15]: "Just know like, this person will be discussed on the toast today, and then she also will be co-hosting with Jackie next week or the week after next."
• Jackie Oshry [03:18]: "So not to jump the gun. And we're going to miss you. Eternity."

This segment underscores their proactive approach to ensuring the podcast remains vibrant and engaging during Claudia's absence.

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3. Personal Life Updates and Becoming Aunts

The hosts delve into their personal lives, particularly focusing on their son Charlie and the impending arrival of Claudia's baby. They discuss the dynamics of becoming aunts and the changes it will bring to their lives.

• Jackie Oshry [18:03]: "And also, I'm going to expand my role as an auntie."
• Claudia Oshry [19:00]: "I have to step back a bit."

Their conversation highlights the balance between personal growth and professional responsibilities, emphasizing the supportive nature of their relationship.

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4. Claudia's Children's Book: "Camber and Counselor"

Claudia introduces her upcoming children's book, "Camber and Counselor," sharing insights into its inspiration and development.

• Claudia Oshry [12:25]: "It's loosely based off of our own life. The main character is inspired by one of Jackie's sisters, who is not me, which is Loki."
• Jackie Oshry [13:07]: "She represents all women."

The book is described as semi-autobiographical, highlighting themes of friendship and personal growth, and is currently available on Amazon.

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5. Pop Culture Discussions

a. Summer House Recap

Claudia and Jackie provide their unique take on the latest episodes of "Summer House," offering contrasting perspectives on the show's developments and character interactions.

• Claudia Oshry [04:03]: "I was team Lexi, like, and now I'm team Jesse."
• Jackie Oshry [31:44]: "To Harry and Meghan, who are like these, you know, royal outsiders 1000%."

They analyze the interpersonal drama, particularly focusing on characters Lexi and Jesse, and their evolving relationships within the show.

b. Sports Commentary: Knicks Game

The hosts briefly discuss a recent Knicks game, touching upon player injuries and team dynamics.

• Claudia Oshry [05:50]: "The Knicks just need to lose. Win one more game."
• Jackie Oshry [06:05]: "They don't know how to operate as not the underdog."

This segment showcases their ability to seamlessly integrate varied topics, maintaining an engaging flow.

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6. Fast Five Stories

Claudia and Jackie delve into five major news stories, providing their commentary and insights. Notable topics include:

a. Prince Harry and Meghan Markle Supporting Brooklyn and Nicola

• Claudia Oshry [30:06]: "They are part of this way."
• Jackie Oshry [31:44]: "Do not be like these people."

They discuss the reported dinner meeting aimed at supporting family members amidst familial disputes, critiquing the advice Harry and Meghan might offer.

b. Rihanna's Return to Music

• Jackie Oshry [34:19]: "The message is going to be good."
• Claudia Oshry [41:03]: "It's like Josie and the Pussycat subliminal messaging in the music."

Anticipation builds around Rihanna's first song release in three years for "The Smurfs" soundtrack, highlighting its potential impact.

c. Justin Bieber's Financial Troubles

• Claudia Oshry [44:00]: "Justin has really squandered his own fortune."
• Jackie Oshry [46:58]: "I'm sure people around him are enabling him."

They explore the details of Bieber's reported $8 million debt to former manager Scooter Braun, discussing the implications of his financial mismanagement.

d. HBO Max Rebranding Back to HBO Max

• Claudia Oshry [61:12]: "They're gonna guess if you..."
• Jackie Oshry [63:24]: "We have spots available."

Expressing frustration, the hosts criticize HBO Max's rebranding decisions, emphasizing the confusion and inconvenience it causes for users.

e. Additional Tales from the Entertainment World

Further discussions touch upon various entertainment news, including legal disputes and celebrity interactions, showcasing their knack for dissecting complex narratives.

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7. Summer House Recap and Final Thoughts

In the concluding segments, Claudia and Jackie offer an in-depth recap of the latest "Summer House" episodes, discussing character dynamics, conflicts, and resolutions.

• Claudia Oshry [69:10]: "I don't agree with either."
• Jackie Oshry [73:40]: "It's such a fifth and final story. It's easy fodder though."

They debate the authenticity of relationships within the show, particularly spotlighting Lexi and Jesse's interactions, and express anticipation for the upcoming reunion episode.

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8. Emotional Farewells and Looking Forward

As the episode nears its end, Claudia and Jackie share emotional farewells, reflecting on their podcasting journey together and expressing hope for the future.

• Claudia Oshry [75:23]: "I've got a lot to pine about. I've got a lot to think about. Love ya."
• Jackie Oshry [75:43]: "Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye."

Their heartfelt departure underscores the deep bond between the sisters and leaves listeners with a sense of closure as Claudia embarks on her new chapter.

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Notable Quotes:

• Claudia Oshry [10:09]: "You can't control it."
• Jackie Oshry [21:28]: "I have a really hard time, like, being present."
• Claudia Oshry [32:12]: "Masculinity isn't our core concern."
• Jackie Oshry [54:27]: "This is now being team Taylor mean being team Baldoni."

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Conclusion: This episode of "The Toast" serves as a heartfelt goodbye from Claudia Oshry as she steps away for maternity leave. Throughout the episode, Claudia and Jackie blend personal anecdotes with insightful commentary on current events, maintaining their signature engaging and candid style. Listeners are left with a mix of nostalgia, anticipation for future episodes, and well-wishes as Claudia embarks on her journey into motherhood.

Transcript

[Claudia Oshry]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's your favorite show.

[Jackie Oshry]

The best five things you need to know.

[Claudia Oshry]

We'll start your day off. Swirly. It's the Toast.

[Jackie Oshry]

I sound amazing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Welcome back to the Toast and happy Thursday. That actually. I don't know what it feels like, but it doesn't feel like. I know it's technically, like, a Friday for you.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's a Friday for me. It feels like the last day of camp. I'll see you next summer. I'm counting the days.

[Claudia Oshry]

We've been living 10 months for two.

[Jackie Oshry]

And we're gonna be living 10 months for two again.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's so true.

[Jackie Oshry]

We're breaking. I guess it's last day of school, because we are breaking for summer.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. So even though it is Thursday, today is Jax's final episode in the studio this week. Because tomorrow's episode is going to be Ben and I. It kind of worked out perfectly that the last epis episode of before my maternity leave would be Ben.

[Jackie Oshry]

And I need to hear from the two of you, send you off a big farewell. I have a personal matter to attend to tomorrow, so I can't do the toast. But I agree, like, there's something very.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I'm gonna cry, like, full circle.

[Jackie Oshry]

About you and Ben saying goodbye. Sending off together.

[Claudia Oshry]

Cause I'm leaving on maternity. I literally tried to spell maternity, like, on my phone the other day. Texting. It's a word that's no longer in my vocabulary. Because maturity. Yeah. Is the current. What Merriam Webster needs to update her website.

[Jackie Oshry]

The Maternity takeover. So this is our last episode of Pregnant. Podcasting publicly in person together tomorrow, you and Ben, and then we're off next week. And then I'll be back with Jackson Friends after Memorial Day.

[Claudia Oshry]

Can you tease one person who's being. Who's Jackson frenzying with you? Not the first.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, no. I was going to say the first person, but it's not. That's the first person I'm recording. Oh, I was going to tease. I don't know how to tease this, but one of the people that I'm recording with, you and I have been talking about all morning having nothing to do with the fact that I am recording. I forgot her.

[Claudia Oshry]

Is that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, yeah. Not us. We're gonna find ourselves at the center of a lot of drama.

[Jackie Oshry]

Maybe over the course of this episode, when we talk about the things that interest us, you'll understand what we've been talking about all morning.

[Claudia Oshry]

Just know like, this person will be discussed on the toast today, and then she also will be co hosting with Jackie next week or the week after next.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, exactly.

[Claudia Oshry]

So we're making waves. We're kind of at the epicenter of all things pop culture. Nothing new here.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. So I think that's a really exciting tease. And then I would say the other co hosts. So interesting. So many people in media. So many different media publications.

[Claudia Oshry]

Moguls.

[Jackie Oshry]

Two men.

[Claudia Oshry]

Two men. Okay. I know one who you don't know how to mouth. Like, what are you saying?

[Jackie Oshry]

It's three letters.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, mogul. Okay. Way to give it away. Yeah. Two minute media. Two men in media.

[Jackie Oshry]

And then the person that I just discussed. It's a four day week.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's a four day.

[Jackie Oshry]

And then another woman in media in a major way.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. Wow. You kind of have like an amazing setup for your New York week. I forgot.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I. I'm telling you guys, I have really cast a wide net. I'm so excited to talk to all these folks and it's going to be really great. So not to jump the gun. And we're going to miss you. Eternity. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, and everyone, it's still about and they're gonna miss me so much.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, you're gonna be so missed. But you will be so fed.

[Claudia Oshry]

Vigils will be held in my honor.

[Jackie Oshry]

But it is still about you this week. And I'm just gonna stop talking about what's happening when you're not.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no, I'm thrilled. I'm excited for the toasters and all the new guests like that are going to be coming and taking my place. And everyone's gonna be like, we need more Jackson Blank.

[Jackie Oshry]

You don't Jackson Blake.

[Claudia Oshry]

You need more Jackson Claire.

[Jackie Oshry]

That would also have been a good name for the five weeks without you. Jackson Blank.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, it's just kind of very open ended.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Like, I actually love that you guys.

[Claudia Oshry]

Can'T see, but rodeo's in the studio today. Do you see him? Make sure he's not like doing anything bad, right?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, we would hear it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

He's not. You have to trust your boy.

[Claudia Oshry]

Anybody want him on camera?

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, he'll make his way.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Make way, make way.

[Claudia Oshry]

The way that I'm going to knew is where you are, where you are. How are the stories today? We have Summer house recap, which I almost didn't watch, but I watched this morning and I'm glad I did. It was kind of a titillating episode and so many people are like flip flopping sides. I was Reading the Toasters in, like, the Facebook group.

[Jackie Oshry]

I need to start going.

[Claudia Oshry]

I was team Lexi, like, and now I'm team Jesse. Now I was team Jesse. Now I'm team Lexi. Really. I'm feeling more steadfast in my take than ever.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know. I'm just trying to hold on to the piece of me that likes Jesse at all as a person.

[Claudia Oshry]

I left that piece behind this morning. Yeah. No, I really. And then I saw a clip of him, like, being caught in a lie on Watch Happens Live. I'm like, this person's like a full blown liar.

[Jackie Oshry]

Damn.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Oh, we're wearing our new merch. Hope everybody was able to get what they wanted. Jackie and I are wearing two out of the three new T shirts that we dropped. They are one size, and let me tell you, I have worn them when I was, like, so skinny and it looked amazing. And obviously I'm like a big moose now, and I still look amazing. These shirts are so versatile. You can wear them for any phase of life. They are available@shop toastmerch.com in addition to tote bags, hats, phone cases, shopmerch.com to.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's all there. It's all available. And if it's sold out, it's available for pre order, so.

[Claudia Oshry]

Ch.

[Jackie Oshry]

Check it out.

[Claudia Oshry]

Check it out.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I'm glad that we did watch Summer House. We had a successful transfer last night, so I had to watch my program. Good, good, good, good, good. But then I wanted to watch Watch what happens live because I did watch my screener for. Because I watched on my computer. I was too lazy and I couldn't figure out the hotel TV to get off channel New York One. So I couldn't watch Watch what happens live.

[Claudia Oshry]

New York One has a chokehold. Oh, I did watch a Knicks game. That's why I couldn't watch Summer House.

[Jackie Oshry]

Ugh.

[Claudia Oshry]

And it's like the Knicks just need to lose. Win one more game. Like, just. Oh, and last game, not last night, the one before last, their best player got injured with his Achilles. Like, he's out for the season. So it was sort of a layup.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, but didn't a Celtics player get injured? Isn't a Celtics player out?

[Claudia Oshry]

That's what I said.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, the best. I thought you meant the Knicks.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, like, the Knicks were. Were poised to win.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, they're coming off of a win loser.

[Claudia Oshry]

The best player from the other team.

[Jackie Oshry]

They don't know how to operate as not the underdog.

[Claudia Oshry]

But Ben is so excited because they're coming back. They're Coming back. And I think I'm gonna go.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, maybe you should go.

[Claudia Oshry]

I think it's kind of crazy to go, like, nine months pregnant.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, you're a crazy woman.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know.

[Jackie Oshry]

And you love your man.

[Claudia Oshry]

I do.

[Jackie Oshry]

Do anything for him.

[Claudia Oshry]

I do. And I want him to be happy. And he was like, okay, so how much should we spend? He was being so crazy.

[Jackie Oshry]

What is the cap per ticket?

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, who are we asking, right?

[Jackie Oshry]

He.

[Claudia Oshry]

In this situation, he is you.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, in most situations, he is me.

[Claudia Oshry]

I was like, I. I was like, I don't know. Like, you have to show me. But I'm not spending a lot of money to get a crap scene.

[Jackie Oshry]

You. You, as much as you don't want to spend a lot of money, you won't sit in a shitty seat.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. And I was seeing, like, a bunch of people I know, like, socially were at the game, and they had, like, mess seats, and I, like. They were like, we paid, like, $4,000 for our seats. I'm like, I'm not doing that.

[Jackie Oshry]

You're not. You wouldn't go to 4, 000 per ticket? No.

[Claudia Oshry]

Are you crazy?

[Jackie Oshry]

You go to 3,000?

[Claudia Oshry]

No.

[Jackie Oshry]

Would you go to 2,000?

[Claudia Oshry]

Now, I don't like talking about money, because obviously this sounds crazy. There are people who can't pay their bills. But, yes, for Ben, as a gift for, like, him being really one of the most amazing husbands anyone could be during the course of this pregnancy. Like, not an area complaint. Well, I. I do the golf and, like, the mess food that you don't want and the smells. But beyond that, yes, I can commit $5,000 total to this gift for Ben. But the thing is, we're gonna end up not going because the $5,000 is not gonna get you that's.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's not gonna get you what you want.

[Claudia Oshry]

Timothy was at the game last night solo, sitting courtside at the Celtics. At the Celtics game. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Kylie named code of Boston TD Garden. I feel like Kylie went back to the beach.

[Claudia Oshry]

She's literally Kristen Cavallari back to the beach. I also think she went back to the beach.

[Jackie Oshry]

Or she's just, like, posting delayed, delayed, which I think she also does, But I think she went to Turks and Kigos. Like, came to New York to be with Timothy for the night, flew right back and went back to Turks and Caicos with Kendall. With Kendall. I don't know. She's kind of all over the place.

[Claudia Oshry]

To be a jet setter.

[Jackie Oshry]

I know.

[Claudia Oshry]

To have a jet to set up.

[Jackie Oshry]

I hope she comes back. We Miss her.

[Claudia Oshry]

We do. New York felt electric.

[Jackie Oshry]

It wasn't the same.

[Claudia Oshry]

Been raining ever since she left. New York is crying for Kylie.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's true. Maybe she'll come back for the next game. I think she had fun.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. Well, you should go.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking it through, and if. You know, I love watching games on tv. It's so fun. I love television.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. If any brands. I know that you guys have all been really shy about the hookups. If any brands wants more, I will ask you to give Turdi a suite.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

The Brunson boys, maybe they didn't want to do it because, like, who are these nobodies?

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

But for Turdi, makes sense. The queen. The queen is coming.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. What else can I tell you?

[Jackie Oshry]

So last Jackson Claude before we go, like, the show will never be this way again because, Turdy, you will change.

[Claudia Oshry]

This is the last time we will podcast together as sisters, remote or otherwise, where only one of us is a mother.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

And how does that make you feel? You feel like I'm encouraging a little bit on your mama's face?

[Jackie Oshry]

Not at all. I'm excited for you to be here because then we get to talk about those sorts of things, which I love, you know, but it's like, I can only, like, sneak it in here and there when you're not interested. It's not like it just doesn't work that way. So I'm excited to dive more into that space with you and to hear your takes on it. I think everybody is so excited to hear your takes on it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. I feel like I'm definitely thinking through a lot now, like, what my, you know, digital footprint, my identity is going to look like as, like, a content creator, podcast, or comedian influencer who's now a mom. Obviously. Like, it can take over your whole being, and I'm not really, like, wanting to do that. I think sometimes, like, you can't control it. Right. And I feel like I've talked about, like, other people who I think do a good job of, like, balancing both. Like, I don't want. I don't want to be like. Like, everybody's like, all she does is talk about, like, being a mom, but I also don't want to be the one person that's like, why don't you ever talk about being a mom? You know, it's like, a balance. Obviously, women are so critical of other women, so I'm looking forward to everybody critiquing me for, like, how I embrace this new era. Of my life. I don't have a chip on my shoulder about it or anything, but we'll see. We'll see how it goes.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think you should just let nature take its course. Don't overthink it. I think it will come really natural to you, whatever the path is.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

You know what I mean. I don't think you have to make a plan. I think.

[Claudia Oshry]

Should I pack a snack?

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, always.

[Claudia Oshry]

Always. That's kind of the quarter center. Motherhood.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And you're probably going to be hungry, but I think it will be a natural next step for you. I do. And you shouldn't. You shouldn't worry, so.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no, no. I feel like also at this stage of pregnancy, like, you're so bored. Like, all you do is worry about things that are, like, are not real issues.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, I'm. I was so worried about my junk drawer. I don't know if you saw, like, kind of like, re. I reorganize my junk drawer, which was a big moment in my house, and the way that, like, that junk drawer wait on me for, like, a week, you know, you just, like. You have nothing to do but just like, worry about stuff.

[Jackie Oshry]

I understand.

[Claudia Oshry]

When you're pregnant without other kids.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Obviously when you're pregnant, like, with a toddler, like, you're.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I know. I, like, brought out my keyboard from the seller and started to practicing piano in my last few weeks.

[Claudia Oshry]

You did?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. It was so bored. I wasn't leaving the house because of COVID Uhhuh. And that's funny.

[Claudia Oshry]

When you said keyboard, I thought like, a Dell computer keyboard.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I brought my piano keyboard. I got it for Zach for his birthday years, like, when we started dating, and I was watching so much TV in my pregnancy, and, like, I couldn't watch anymore. Like, I was sick of everything, sick of laying there. I was like, I want to use my brain now. So I brought up the keyboard.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm dying.

[Jackie Oshry]

I learned arabesque.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I got some coloring books. That was.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's good.

[Jackie Oshry]

That was when I wrote the first draft of Camber and Counselor.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's a beautiful full circle story, Jax, Right? Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's available on Amazon now. I wrote the first draft when I was in my final weeks of pregnancy. Maybe a children's book is waiting to pour out of you this week.

[Claudia Oshry]

I. I already have one. It goes like this. There once was a girl named Turdi.

[Jackie Oshry]

I thought you were gonna.

[Claudia Oshry]

She was really flirty.

[Jackie Oshry]

I thought you were gonna say, it's the first day of Camp. My bags are tightly packed.

[Claudia Oshry]

I would have, except I could not remember how the book started. Thank you. It's the first day of camp. My bags are tightly packed.

[Jackie Oshry]

My duffel trunk and pillow are all neatly stacked.

[Claudia Oshry]

We bump and we bend up curves, bends and hills.

[Jackie Oshry]

The winding camp roads gives me goosebumps and chills.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, the fact that people continue to write children's books when the best one ever has already been written. Like, seriously, lay down your pencils.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's so true.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's not necessary. We've got this.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's so true. And if there are any toasters out there who don't know that Claudia and their sisters were sisters. And Daisy Jones. And the six ends with her after everyone's died getting back together with him. And I wrote a children's book, and.

[Claudia Oshry]

It'S loosely based off of our own life. The main character is inspired by one.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's a biography.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's autobiographical. It's semi autobiographical. And the main character is based loosely off of one of Jackie's sisters, who is not me, which is Loki. One of the most disgusting parts. But we will just, like, yeah, get rid of it. Because I know that the sequel is.

[Jackie Oshry]

About a camper named Trudy.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, it's such a cute name for a little, like. And the camper's obviously, like, chubby, like Trudy.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's just, like, coming in, and she's coming in second summer. And so it's very dynamic.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. But how will things shake out?

[Jackie Oshry]

Our camper is always there.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

To be a supportive friend.

[Claudia Oshry]

And the camper and the counselor. In the book, the counselor's name is Counselor Snitch. What is the camper's name?

[Jackie Oshry]

It's a great mystery.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, she's nameless.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's nameless in the book. But I know her name because she.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, I like that she's nameless because she kind of represents all women.

[Jackie Oshry]

She's all of us.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, but you know her name. Are you gonna share it?

[Jackie Oshry]

Maybe in a future book.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, Secrets revealed.

[Jackie Oshry]

But I think you guys could guess her name.

[Claudia Oshry]

Jackie. Is it Jackie? She has red hair.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's Jax.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's Jackson. Trudy.

[Claudia Oshry]

Jackson, Trudy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Trudy and Jax. They're a great duo in the kids space.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct. Kind of picking up where Max and Ruby left off.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's like a little bit of the plot of the sequel. I don't want to give too much away. It has not been written yet. Maybe towards the end of this pregnancy, inspirational strike.

[Claudia Oshry]

The rest is still unwritten. I take him so over that song. No.

[Jackie Oshry]

She can do no wrong Natasha.

[Claudia Oshry]

I didn't say I was over Natasha. I said it was in the song.

[Jackie Oshry]

This song could never. This song can never be bad.

[Claudia Oshry]

The second wave of, like, younger people finding it and, like, younger, older people, like, reliving. Like, I've hated every minute of it. And I want the song to be.

[Jackie Oshry]

Done every time I hear it in an organic way. Like, if it came on my shuffle or something, thrilled to hear it for me.

[Claudia Oshry]

Maybe it's like a constant reminder that not us, but society excluding us. Let Natasha Bedding feel down. And they, like, forced her to just keep performing the same old song as if she doesn't have other music. That is so unbelievable. They told me, girl, to get your way, you gotta be a. They say the guy won't get the girl if he's not filthy rich. You stop with little changes till you don't know who you are. Surround yourself with friends who only call you a superstar. Like, oh, yeah, those will never know. What's that album called?

[Jackie Oshry]

Recovery.

[Claudia Oshry]

We will recur. Like.

[Jackie Oshry]

But when I hear Circle back.

[Claudia Oshry]

When I hear Unwritten, I think of just the. The lost potential.

[Jackie Oshry]

When I want to circle back to something that you said in your diet tribe, which was that it was not us. No, it was not us.

[Claudia Oshry]

We are responsible for.

[Jackie Oshry]

Supported everything she did thereafter. You guys didn't.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. Okay. You guys didn't. I. We are excluded from that narrative. But you know who else is excluded from that narrative? I wonder if you're gonna know what.

[Jackie Oshry]

I say, like, supporting Natasha.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm supporting Natasha Bedingfields. Other work outside of Unwritten. You're not gonna know. It's like. It's like a niche me reference.

[Jackie Oshry]

I am.

[Claudia Oshry]

I am. Yeah. It's like it's a person whose name we don't know.

[Jackie Oshry]

What do you mean?

[Claudia Oshry]

My favorite movie of all time. Like, do you know what I'm gonna say?

[Jackie Oshry]

Not the Other Woman.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, close, though. Something Borrowed. Oh, where?

[Jackie Oshry]

And they use.

[Claudia Oshry]

They end the film. Like, finally, she steals her. Spoiler alert. She steals her best friend's man. She's picking up his dry cleaning. Like, she. Her and the friend are never going to be okay. But she got the guy and she don't give a fuck, you know? And she's picking up a dry cleaning. It's like a perfect day in New York and they're walking away, and it's like I have to keep reminding myself I'm not like anyone else. So the person who scored Something Borrowed, Jax and Claude are not responsible for holding Natasha Bedingfield back from reaching her fullest potential. But now she's out here just, like, making Tik toks to the same song.

[Jackie Oshry]

And it's ashamed of yourselves.

[Claudia Oshry]

You should be ashamed.

[Jackie Oshry]

Also, like, if you want to knock on her song, things that are overplayed. Like, I would go more Pocket Full of Sunshine. I would not. I think Unwritten is par delicious. No matter how many times I hear it is more annoying.

[Claudia Oshry]

Agree to disagree.

[Jackie Oshry]

You like Pocket Full of Sunshine more than Unwritten.

[Claudia Oshry]

It doesn't attack me. I actually didn't. When you were saying her other songs, I'm like, what song is she talking about? I literally forgot about. You're thinking of it from the movie. No, no.

[Jackie Oshry]

Actually, no. I just feel like when I see that on ticks or unreals.

[Claudia Oshry]

Squirrel.

[Jackie Oshry]

Squirrel.

[Claudia Oshry]

I never see it.

[Jackie Oshry]

If I. And also someone did, like, a couple remixes of Unwritten.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. No, they've been there.

[Jackie Oshry]

Unreal.

[Claudia Oshry]

They're resuscitating Unwritten.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm here for it.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm over it. And that's the kind of duality and complexity you can come to expect from the Toast podcast.

[Jackie Oshry]

Maybe when you're changed, the next time we podcast together on the Toast, we'll agree on that. Maybe. Maybe because you're gonna be so changed. She's changed for the better.

[Claudia Oshry]

First smile. That's never. Today's a toast. June's kind of day.

[Jackie Oshry]

I mean, we have to get it all out now. Even though we are recording a Patreon after this, so it's technically not our last episode together.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's true.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, and next week, there's Patreon episodes every day. So if you're missing our girls, head over to patreon.com the toast because we've been working overtime to keep you fed.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

And keep you satiated.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. So it's Jackson Claude every episode. So, like, if you're a Patreon member for the next two, three months, like, you're completely fine.

[Jackie Oshry]

You're completely fine. Like, every time you're missing us, there will be a Patreon for you.

[Claudia Oshry]

And we've been, like, putting in work overtime to make sure that the scheduled content gets released. So that's patreon.com toast.

[Jackie Oshry]

But this is our last pre fast five banter where we're so different from one another and we are the people that we are. Because I'm also going to expand my role as an auntie, and I don't know how that's going to change me.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, let me Lock my iPad. I'm so glad you brought that.

[Jackie Oshry]

I haven't been a new auntie in two and a half years.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, I did want to talk about that because obviously everyone knows, like when you look up auntie in the Webster's dictionary, like my face is there. I've. I've been like one of the most committed, devoted and really hard working aunties this world has ever seen.

[Jackie Oshry]

And I just want to say before I had kids, I was the number one auntie.

[Claudia Oshry]

And so that era of my life, I don't know if you've talked to your kids about it, like, is gonna.

[Jackie Oshry]

Change anti coaches is not going to be the codes that you. That you know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. Which is why I've been like making plans. Like I took the kids swimming. Like, I just want them to know, like, auntie's leaving and she's coming back. But not in the way that you think that they've grown, that they've grown accustomed to. And do you think that will be a difficult adjustment for all my nibblings?

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, here's the beautiful thing about the circle of life because while they, while they are losing a bit of their auntie, they are gaining a cousin.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

And like it's like I don't think Michaela even noticed that I was, that I was slipping because I gave her cousin and that was even better than what I was doing. So I think they're going to be so excited about the new addition that they're not even a. Notice that coaches hasn't slept. I don't know, just is tired.

[Claudia Oshry]

I think coaches, like presence is so almighty. Like, like, yes, I'm giving them a cousin. Sure. But like, I don't know, I think that they'll like, if you notice any like behavioral issues like, or any differences in their moods or scheduling. Like, I would say, like there's a major change happening in their life. Auntie Cogers is kind of taking a step back.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, I would say for Charlie it's going to be the biggest change for him because he won't be the baby anymore. But he had the longest run as the baby.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Chasing after those kids.

[Jackie Oshry]

So I'm excited for him that he doesn't have to like that he's not the youngest anymore. But like, I think he loves being the baby.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, you know, it's interesting how people act when they're on bottom and then they're on top. Do you think Charlie will be a benevolent leader?

[Jackie Oshry]

I think so.

[Claudia Oshry]

Me too.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think so. He's seen a lot in his Time.

[Claudia Oshry]

You don't think he'll be like, a Sheena Marie Shea, like, finally gets accepted to the cool crew and, like, turns on the ones that brought him there?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, Charlie has seen a lot. He's seen a lot of different ways of it being done, and I think he knows what he wants to model, and I think that's good boy behavior.

[Claudia Oshry]

Got it. So not Charlie Shea.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, he'll be modeling good boy behavior. Trust me, GB Big. If not, come tell his mama.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, you know I will.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, but they're going to be so excited.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, it's so exciting. Just, you know, I'm. I'm, like, being annoyingly like, this is my last.

[Jackie Oshry]

You know, Like, I feel like if we don't. It's weird.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no. Not even with the podcast. Like, at home, Like, Ben. Like, this are, like, last. Whatever. I'm, like, I'm being so dramatic. Even though, like, I low key still have time left. Like, I need to chill.

[Jackie Oshry]

You might have another Taco Tuesday, most likely.

[Claudia Oshry]

Even though Taco Tuesdays really do give me really bad acid reflux, so I actually can't. But I'm just being so dramatic. This is our last time in the car. Like, no, we'll be driving to the hospital. Like, I'm really being so, like, commemorative.

[Jackie Oshry]

I feel like if we aren't commemorative on this episode, like, it will be weird and it will pass us by. We'll be like, oh, my God, that was kind of like a major one. And it's like everyone else is going to be like, oh, my God, last Jackson Cladden. Like, I feel like we really need to be present in this moment, even though that's so not like us.

[Claudia Oshry]

Sounds like you're saying we need to acknowledge the space that we're in.

[Jackie Oshry]

We do need to acknowledge the space that we're in. Consider it acknowledged and, like, do a little manifestation of the manifest.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

You know what I mean? I have a really hard time, like, being present. Present.

[Claudia Oshry]

But I don't think manifest is the right word.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, no, it's not. But I do think manifesting more would help me be more present.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, perhaps if you started. That was, like, a practice in your everyday life.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because it's like, I'm saying all these things about how it's the last one.

[Claudia Oshry]

But, like, are you. Are you living that? No, she's not. It's just any other so inauthentic.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm. No, I'm trying. Like, I feel like if you speak it, you will be it. Okay, so it's better than not commemorating anything. Do you feel like.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's like, I could tell you recently hung out with Lauren Bostick.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, my God. Well, thanks for spoiling my guest. Oh, it's fine.

[Claudia Oshry]

Wait.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

Is she your guest for when?

[Jackie Oshry]

Who knows?

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. Sorry, my bad. But that's not who we were talking about.

[Jackie Oshry]

Who we were talking about at the beginning of the show. Yes. I've been hanging out with Lauren Bostic once. Yeah. But we text too.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

And we're both not big texters, so it's like.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's all the radiation, the fact that.

[Jackie Oshry]

We, like, do it for each other.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right, Right. You take that risk. That's really sweet.

[Jackie Oshry]

We take that risk.

[Claudia Oshry]

Huge. Huge.

[Jackie Oshry]

But, yeah, I'm trying to be present. Like, I don't know what more to tell you, and I feel like you're not present, but you're not trying to be more. So it's not an issue.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. If I knew what on earth we were talking about, like, I would be able to respond to that heinous accusation of me not being present.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know. I just feel like it's like, when. Like, we should be so much more, like, aware that it's the last. Right. But I don't feel it in my bones. I'm just like. I know it in my head.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. Like, I seriously, I. I can't follow this conversation.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because you're not present.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct. Okay, fine. You got me. I'm not present.

[Jackie Oshry]

Does it feel like the last two? Like, do you really feel.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's not my last. I have to work tomorrow. Is it last with you?

[Jackie Oshry]

No.

[Claudia Oshry]

Because there's something about podcasting in person, especially in this new studio. Like, this isn't real. I. And I know these episodes have actually been performing so well. Like, numbers wise people love when we're together. I feel like every day, three people are listening. I'm like, I don't even. Like, these episodes feel fake. Every time we put out our regular episode, it's like, oh, my God, everyone's gonna listen and critique. And it's, like, very high stakes. These feel like we're cosplaying podcasters. I don't know why.

[Jackie Oshry]

In our room, like.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, giggling. Yeah. Making videos on Facebook, putting them in.

[Jackie Oshry]

A box to go to legacy box one day. I agree.

[Claudia Oshry]

So that's why I'm just like, maybe that's why I'm not feeling present.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, your presence is a gift. True, always, eternally one that we will miss.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, yeah, she's kicking me out already.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because if we're Being present in this moment. It is our last episode together.

[Claudia Oshry]

And can I tell you something that I find really exciting about maternity leave? Like, obviously I'm gonna miss everyone so much, but as like the nosiest alive. What I loved about your maternity leaves is that I invited all these people to come co host. And they are people with successful YouTube channels, successful podcasts, successful businesses, and like, everybody online, like, makes himself seem so big deal. Big deal. I'm so famous. I have so many fans, followers, and it's interesting to see who comes on the podcast, like, increases numbers, you know, who actually, like, has fans, not just, like followers. And so, like, I was nosy and like, literally one of my favorite activities was, like tallying up the numbers at the end of the week. And I feel like I've said before who crushed it, but like, honestly, Shannon, Shannon brings. Brings peeps. And then you would have someone. It was like a huge podcast and you're like, oh, that's a huge.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because everyone's on vacation, right?

[Claudia Oshry]

So it's like a fun. Like, if you're a nosy, curious person.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like me, well, that will be there for you to run the data on the various media moguls.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, no, when I have like a nap break, I'll be running the data. Yeah, you can find me in our analytics department.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's really not that hard, but yeah, yeah, yeah. So now, without further ado, are you ready to wrap up the final fast five of Jackson Claude as we are?

[Claudia Oshry]

I am.

[Jackie Oshry]

Jackson Claude, as we are. Without further ado, dad, do it is time for the Fast 5 stories that you need to know.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Thank you, slash turt.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're welcome.

[Jackie Oshry]

Our first story. Two couples who we talk about at length on the toast have reportedly allegedly come together and join forces as a foursome as a support system. Prince Harry and Meghan's secret mansion summit with Brooklyn and Nicola to share trauma of toxic family feuds.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, this does sound like a made up British tabloid story, but let's pretend.

[Jackie Oshry]

It'S in the sun, so could be correct.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

But apparently Prince Harry and Meghan are secretly supporting Brooklyn and Nicola amid their family row and had them over for dinner last week. The foursome dined at the Sussexes in Montecito just days after Brooklyn's dinner skipped his dad's 50th birthday.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

A source familiar with the events that Harry and Meghan were very empathetic and very kind to them both. Harry was fully aware of the situation and offered Brooklyn his unwavering support. As someone who has been through similar.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay, so the headline was a little misleading. Sounded like they took like a trip to a castle. I'm like, so they had dinner together. And you know what? I actually think that's entirely possible. Especially because, like, I could see because we know David is like a huge monarchist. He literally was like one of those people who waited in line for seven hours to touch the queen's casket. I guess they like leave the casket out and stuff.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Like, as a rando. Not even as he didn't use his special treatment.

[Claudia Oshry]

And he cried and he was like taking pictures of people. So he obviously is like team Royal. And so I could see as like an extra knife to, like, his family. Him and Nicola having dinner with like, Harry and Meghan, who are like these, you know, royal outsiders 1000%.

[Jackie Oshry]

I just want to say if this is true and we have to, like, operate as if it is for the sake of conversation. This is the worst idea I've ever heard for Brooklyn and Nicola. Like, to go to, like, be on the outs with your family and then go seek advice from people who actually, like, burned theirs to the ground. Like, do not be like these people.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. Maybe that's what they, like, maybe they're looking to go. No contact.

[Jackie Oshry]

No.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. Which a lot of people.

[Jackie Oshry]

Stop it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Turn around. Which is what a lot of people do with, like, in laws they deem to be toxic.

[Jackie Oshry]

No.

[Claudia Oshry]

And Harry and Meghan have sort of paved the way.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. Plenty of people have in laws they deem to be toxic. And they don't take it to the level that Harry and Megan did.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no, of course not. But it is like a popular thing now. It's like more like tick tock. I know you don't know but it's like if something in your life, like a person in your life doesn't serve you, like we're going no contact. Right?

[Jackie Oshry]

Fine. I'm fine with no contact. What Harry and Meghan did was not no contact.

[Claudia Oshry]

It was a lot of contact.

[Jackie Oshry]

It was a lot of, A lot.

[Claudia Oshry]

I thought the story you were going to talk about is that they went to another concert.

[Jackie Oshry]

It was going to be my next part like B. Because them going to another concert like isn't headline news. Except that he was wearing a hat. And we'll get to it. But I just need to say to Brooklyn and Nicola like you're hanging out with the wrong people. Like you should either be just taking a break from your family, that's fine. They're toxic and narcissistic allegedly. So yeah, you want a break but like to go get seek advice from these two. This is what they are what not to do. They are how not to break from your family.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm in agreement. There is a way to like obviously I'm always on the side of like we have to make things work. Families, family. Sometimes you get to a point where like you can't with a certain family member. And so Harry and Megan obviously got to that point and I think the way they did it was not the best. And so if, if, if Brooklyn and Nicola are looking to go no contact with the Beckhams which would make me so upset. Like that's not what I want. I don't know if like they're being, you know, led by the greatest of leaders.

[Jackie Oshry]

They can go no contact. I, I would endorse that because it's not working. And they really try. They, they for the last year they support, they were at everything. Like I can say they really gave it their all. And if you want to take a break from them and not speak to them, that's fine with me. Don't do what those two did and do not take advice from them.

[Claudia Oshry]

Or it's just like fancy British people having dinner.

[Jackie Oshry]

Why would Nicola, she's like so gorgeous, so young.

[Claudia Oshry]

You know what she want to go.

[Jackie Oshry]

Eat dinner with some 40 year olds and their kids.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. They are like in complete different life stages, different ages. I don't know how these four Brooklyn.

[Jackie Oshry]

Might be interested in having dinner with Harry. Like fellow prince of the country, a bunch of expats. Yeah. But I'M sorry, Nicola. Like, what is she doing there?

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm sorry. I think this is really a horrible idea, and I hope it's false, but I also. If it is false, I just want to give credit to the person who made it up. It's funny because it's historic.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, they did also go to a concert. They saw James Taylor, which is, like, seriously Ben's favorite artist. I've seen fire and I've seen rain. What a versatile taste in music they have. Like, I wonder if, like, we know Megan loves Beyonce. Maybe Harry loves James Taylor. Like, because, like, I don't know anybody who's, like, a big James Taylor and Beyonce fan. They're entirely different generations and genres.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I feel like that's the bridge that they, like, straddle in their age bracket. I don't know why I'm making them to seem so old today.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, but they are, like, you know.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, you have, like, 40s taste, and some of it is, like, the young, cool stuff. And also, like, Megan is a friend of Beyonce's.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. I think Megan loves being famous, and I. That's a part of her. Like, I actually really relate to in the same way how she had to, like, tell everyone in her caption, like, thanks, Beyonce and team for having us. Like, she wants everyone to, like, bitch, I'm famous. I'm connected. I can get seats at whatever, you know, events you can't get seats at. So I actually really relate to her in that way. I don't know if James Taylor tickets are particularly hard to come by or backstage passes. I'm sure he was thrilled to meet them. But obviously the headline here is the fact that Harry's at another concert wearing another hat. And not only is it, like, obviously pointing to some sort of hair situation, he also has bad taste in hats. This one's like, a real emo beanie that I feel like the men on the hills used to wear, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, I don't like his outfit either. Like, if we're just criticizing his style.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't like him. If we're just criticizing his Persona, it's.

[Jackie Oshry]

Not as if the hat ruins an otherwise fab outfit. So I think, all together, it works because it's a bunch of weird stuff put together.

[Claudia Oshry]

I mean, well, the thing is, with hair plugs, when your situation was so dire for so many years, like, we're gonna know. So you don't. Like. I know that when you get hair plugs or I don't know what the right word is these days, a transplant for the first couple of weeks you have like, sprouts on your forehead, like buzz. Well, yes, but you also, like, it's a little bloody and it's like, it's so obvious. So you do have to cover it up if you leave the house. So it could be that he's in the covering up stage. I don't know why they insist on doing public events the house.

[Jackie Oshry]

Because they never leave my post the pictures. They. We. They never post pictures.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, but also, like, if he were to come out and have a full head of hair in six months, like, that would be like me coming out with red hair. Like, it's obviously a change. So.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, maybe he'll come out and he'll be open about his struggles. That's kind of his M.O.

[Claudia Oshry]

I think that would be like, one of the best things he could possibly do for himself and his brand.

[Jackie Oshry]

Would you give him a chance? Yes, if he said, like, I've been struggling with hair loss, like, and we know even started like a, a hair loss platform. Like how he's very big in the mental health space.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like a Rogaine or you mean like a better help?

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, yeah, like a telehealth for hair health.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, he's totally an investor in, like, Hymns because you know that company, like, you can get like, Rogaine or Minoxidil.

[Jackie Oshry]

Telehealth for hair health.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's actually.

[Jackie Oshry]

I think it's actually a good idea. He would be a great spokesperson because obviously he walks the walk and the mental health space is so crowded at this point. And I think you can't even play employees.

[Claudia Oshry]

Wait, did you see what you just reminded me? It's kind of how, like, oh, we talked about it on the shows, how Amy Schumer is an investor in that telehealth company that helps women with like, weight loss, drugs. And she was like, I've had the best experience. I invested in this company. And yeah, I'm on Manjaro Obsessed. And it's like an endorsement for the telehealth company. That's definitely a possibility and that would actually be a good business move for Harry.

[Jackie Oshry]

So here's the. I don't think it's what's happening. I don't think it's a possibility, but I think it's what should happen. And maybe even if he went to Turkey and he had no plans of being open about it, maybe this will reach him and just let him know, like, I think there's money here.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I like how saying, like, going to Turkey is obviously it's now code for, like, getting hair transplants. And I think if you have unlimited resources, you do it outside. You don't need to go to Turkey. Like, Turkey is just for, like, regular folk who want access to, like, really top tier medical care at a much more affordable price. But, like, there are amazing people in the States. They're just incredibly pricey, I think.

[Jackie Oshry]

I've not heard of them.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, I don't think Harry would need.

[Jackie Oshry]

To go to Turkey.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like, I know a couple of people who've gotten hair plugs like wealthy men, and they did in America that.

[Jackie Oshry]

You know that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, who do.

[Claudia Oshry]

Who.

[Jackie Oshry]

Hit me with the.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Ew.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I'll just text it to you.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. Just to just.

[Claudia Oshry]

And not to be annoying. Like, it is. Juicy.

[Jackie Oshry]

Is it a famous person?

[Claudia Oshry]

A little bit.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

And then this one.

[Jackie Oshry]

Juicy.

[Claudia Oshry]

And they were all done in America.

[Jackie Oshry]

Wow. Stateside plug. Okay, so he didn't have to go to Turkey. That's.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's what I'm saying. You don't actually have to travel unless you're just looking for a deal.

[Jackie Oshry]

A good hair plug at a good price.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. Because what you get for the price in Turkey, you would, like, seriously, like, have to go to Mexico for here and, like, get risk infection, you know, like one of those turn.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, they do a nice job there.

[Claudia Oshry]

And. And the medical care is, like, so luxurious. They, like, the cost of your procedure, includes your flights, includes, like, luxury recovery suites, hotels for your family. Like, it's really. I watched Darcy and Stacy. I know you don't know who that is. It's a TLC show and they went to Turkey to get, like, completely new faces, and they took us on the journey. So I know a lot about Turkey.

[Jackie Oshry]

Got it. I saw a girl once go to Turkey for medical care. For, like, a nose job. No, she just, like, wanted to run all those expensive tests on herself.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, a medical workup.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah, a medical workup.

[Claudia Oshry]

Also, they're, I think, known for their teeth as well.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you ready for our next story? Rihanna will release her first song in three years for the Smurf soundtrack. So Rihanna shared the news along with a trailer for the film on Wednesday, which also features snippets of the song. But her new song is called Friend of Mine. It will drop tomorrow as part of soundtrack the for the Smurfs movie, which is starring John Goodman, James Corden, Nick Offerman, and Sandra O. I think a.

[Claudia Oshry]

Lot of people, like, weren't expecting this. Finally getting music from Rihanna. And I just seen this all before. We panic to remember some of the best songs ever made have come from the troll soundtrack. I got that sunshine in my pocket. Got that good song in my feet. We hate Justin Timberlake, but we love that song also. It's broken and it's Beautiful by Kelly Clarkson.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, that's. And that's just trolls. Every animated movie worth its salt these days has an original song that's popping Oscar worthy. I think. I'm not worried for one second. The fact that actually, this is for the Smurfs. I think I might like it more than if she was just, like, dropping a rogue single. Yeah, it's called Friend of Mine. I think the vibes are going to be good. The message is going to be good.

[Claudia Oshry]

And that's like, the cool thing about being a billionaire, like, not from music, like, from her own business is, like, with the music, she can do make choices that feel right to her. Obviously, she's in, like, her mom era, so her kids are gonna want to watch us. And that's mom's song.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

How cute.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And it's like, maybe they weren't listening to her and. But they only listened to the Smurfs, and so she's gonna get inside the TV and be like, clean your room.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's literally Josie and the Pussycat subliminal messaging in the music.

[Jackie Oshry]

It is. I love celebrities who become parents and then give back to the community with pargy content. Like Fall Out Boy doing the Spidey soundtrack. Like, it's just really fun for everyone.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's really crazy because It's. It's like 10 years in the making waiting for a Rihanna song. I have no doubt that it's gonna be good. One, because it's Rihanna, and two, like, something about the troll soundtrack in particular.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, why do you keep saying trolls?

[Claudia Oshry]

Is it not trolls?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, it's Smurfs.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, that's why I keep saying trolls.

[Jackie Oshry]

I thought you just said it once to, like, just say that trolls has good music.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, I'm so sorry. Okay, Okay. I obviously got my caricatures confused.

[Jackie Oshry]

You're six letters.

[Claudia Oshry]

I thought she was releasing on the troll soundtrack. I'm like, well, the track record of troll songs going number one, the proof is there.

[Jackie Oshry]

Got it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Okay. I don't. I know less about the Smurfs discography. I apologize.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's okay. Well, now we're gonna know more.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

So I'm excited. We'll see it. We'll hear it tomorrow. Maybe you and Ben could do a little live listen interpretive dance to a friend of mine by Rihanna.

[Claudia Oshry]

You got it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Clap them Cheeks from the forthcoming Smurf Sound soundtrack. Are you ready for our next story? Speaking of music, word on the street. Justin Bieber owes his former manager Scooter Braun millions of dollars for a tour loan. So this is very interesting because Justin still owes his former manager Scooter millions of dollars despite parting ways with him nearly two years ago. An independent audit conducted by Price WaterhouseCoopers.

[Claudia Oshry]

And why, like who put them up to this?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, I thought it was TMZ based on the way that I read it.

[Claudia Oshry]

But no, I think once Pricewater has Cooper's involved. Yes, someone like the government, like who's auditing.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, so here's like the story. So this accounting for firm PwC, that's.

[Claudia Oshry]

What you guys know them from the Oscars? They do all like the tallying.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

After Ernst and Young got fired after Moonlight Gate.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. So over a period of six months, found that Justin owes Scooter more than $8 million per documents obtained by TMZ yesterday. The audit was reportedly completed in April. Source tells Page Six the money owed stems from a loan that Scooter made to Justin over debt accrued during his canceled tour in 2022. His justice tour.

[Claudia Oshry]

You guys remember he started that tour.

[Jackie Oshry]

Justin canceled the justice tour in the middle of the tour. But he had gotten an advance from.

[Claudia Oshry]

The tour production, Live Nation.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, whichever one it was. And he had to pay it back and he couldn't pay it back. And Scooter lent him the money in a tough time.

[Claudia Oshry]

And they say he couldn't pay it back because he is while, yes, incredibly successful, especially for a musician. I think at one point his net worth was like somewhere around $300 million he was spending. And he also had a bad business manager like he, like he. It is believed that he completely tore through his $300 million.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, he sold his music catalog for $200 million in 2022.

[Claudia Oshry]

We talked about that and we were like, that's kind of weird. It's a little early to sell your music. And now it seems like in the timeline of events that's being painted is that he was pretty much broke.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yet TMZ reported last October that Justin was considering suing his financial managers for allegedly squandering 300 million dol fortune. An insider told Page Six exclusively at the time though that his spending habits were to blame because they were out of control. He spends an eye watering amount per month. At one point, he couldn't even get a credit card. They said Justin, surrounded by a lot of people that do not have his best interests at heart.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, I believe that. Especially when you think about like how young he was with so much money and how many like people around him just like wanting a piece of that. And then the Scooter brought of it all makes sense because his sort of breakup with Justin Bieber was like the biggest deal ever. Scooter Braun did go on to like sell his company to a Japanese company for like almost a billion dollars. So I feel like the 8 million, like he could live without. Like maybe we just call it space.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like if you lent your friend 800 and they were going through a hard.

[Claudia Oshry]

Time and then like you end up winning the lottery or something, just like, leave it alone.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I don't know if Scooter is trying to get the money back, but I think Justin has like been saying and even trying to prove that like his teams and people around him stole from him and it's like, actually no, Scooter gave you money.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, it actually, it could have been both because it sounds like he did have like poor business managers and.

[Jackie Oshry]

Well, yeah, but to protect him from himself.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, that's the other thing I worry about because, you know, they say road is valued at almost a billion dollars now. And I did see on Tick Tock so like take this with a grain of salt that they're shopping it around to like hopefully get bought. It's incredibly successful. And so while I love that for her, I do hope she, you know, protects what's hers.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm sure that she will. I'm sure she's the only one who has control of the credit cards.

[Claudia Oshry]

Good.

[Jackie Oshry]

And maybe he could do what he wants with his money, but certainly not with hers. Especially now that she's a mom. Like I don't think she would. She knows what she's doing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

TMZ's report on Wednesday also claimed that his business manager, Lou Taylor found the 20 million figure to be an accurate and claim that actually Scooter had been overpaid in commissions by $26 million.

[Claudia Oshry]

So then Taylor like is somehow involved. If you guys remember her name, she was a kind of a bad faith actor in the whole Britney Spears conservatorship then situation.

[Jackie Oshry]

Company Hybe conducted its own audit and found he was actually owed a million dollars, but reportedly waived that amount. Okay, so per tmz, Justin reportedly felt that Scooter's audit was done corruptly, which led to hybe hiring PwC for the audit, which resulted in the Grammy winner actually owing $8 million oh, okay.

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, you know what? I'm then inclined to believe PricewaterhouseCooper because they were hired by Scooter and their results don't help Scooter. No.

[Jackie Oshry]

There, the result.

[Claudia Oshry]

He was trying to close 8 million.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. No, he was trying to show. No, actually, you owe me a million dollars. I didn't steal from you. And then they come in and I actually, you're owed 8 million.

[Claudia Oshry]

I got it. Yeah. Well, if anybody wants to loan me $8 million, I am available.

[Jackie Oshry]

So will you pay it back?

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no, no. Just. It's new. It's. No. How about no, that's a loan. More so as a gift.

[Jackie Oshry]

A gift. I agree. Which it has been a gift. In Scooter's case. I do think, like, Justin has really squandered his own fortune. Fortune.

[Claudia Oshry]

I agree.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm sure people around him are enabling him. I'm sure they're spending his money, but he is there as well. And, like, they take advantage of him and he doesn't help himself.

[Claudia Oshry]

Personal accountability is important. I agree.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. As long as, like, Haley and. And Jack are, you know, covered or.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Jack's college fund is intact.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Well, that's road.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct.

[Jackie Oshry]

But it's crazy when we talk about Justin being like this. Just like, totally down on his luck. Broke individual. We've seen videos. I want to say an alleged drug addict.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

But that's like Haley's husband.

[Claudia Oshry]

I know.

[Jackie Oshry]

It feels like two different people.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. And it's funny how we keep each other. Like Haley's a mother. Like, we keep saying that. And like, I forget Justin's a father too, you know?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But the videos of him in the last few weeks are really bad.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, but they seem fine.

[Jackie Oshry]

Claudia.

[Claudia Oshry]

But she keep, like she's posted.

[Jackie Oshry]

Him too, seems fine.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. I don't know. I. I don't know.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't know. But I think that we cannot begin to understand.

[Claudia Oshry]

I agree.

[Jackie Oshry]

That world.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, you know, I found something really interesting totally separately, because a lot of people think that, like, Justin Bieber's somehow involved in the Diddy case. And that's not what I'm saying, but it just reminded me of Diddy because I've ended up on Diddy talk. And I'm glad because it, like, it needs to be widely distributed. But do you know that Cassie, long after they had broken up, filed a civil suit against him and they settled out of court, she got $30 million from him. And a part of that is obviously signing an NDA. She wasn't allowed to ever speak. But because this is a federal indictment, like civil suit, NDAs don't apply. So she not only got her $30 million, but she also got to speak her truth. Love that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Love that for her.

[Claudia Oshry]

You love to see women in business.

[Jackie Oshry]

When people say Justin's a part of the Diddy case, like, like not the case necessarily. Like, he just is a. Like, people think he might have been one of his victims.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. Just given the timing, Justin's age at the time, people he was hanging out with, there's, I'm sure, like there's conspiracy theories with more proof, but that's pretty much.

[Jackie Oshry]

But when we say other people would be part of the Diddy case, it would be like they were accessories.

[Claudia Oshry]

Attending the freak offs. Yeah, no, I meant Justin as a victim. And that's why he's currently having this like, public Britney moment. Because it's a deeply hurtful part of his past. There's no proof of that, but it's just a connection people are making.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't think that it's so far fetched.

[Claudia Oshry]

Me neither.

[Jackie Oshry]

But it's important to remember that he would be like a very tragic victim of what happened.

[Claudia Oshry]

Correct.

[Jackie Oshry]

So that's really sad.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are you ready for our next story?

[Claudia Oshry]

Is it about Justin Baldoni, like, Lively and Taylor Swift?

[Jackie Oshry]

No, but it could be. Because I honestly don't want to talk about what I had chosen.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, great.

[Jackie Oshry]

I was just like, honestly overwhelmed when.

[Claudia Oshry]

I, I saw, I know, the Blake Lively thing yesterday.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, and then like, Salma Hayek was at dinner with Blake last night. Did you not see that? My girl watch.

[Claudia Oshry]

Even though I'm on cell talk.

[Jackie Oshry]

You're on Sal talk.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, I did not hear that.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. Can you explain?

[Claudia Oshry]

I can.

[Jackie Oshry]

Thank you.

[Claudia Oshry]

So some, some documents were published by Justin Baldoni's lawyers yesterday. And obviously people read them and they were referencing Taylor Swift. So immediately people, you know, did their thing. And essentially he submitted documents and is alleging that Blake Lively, when the scandal started blowing up, not only, like, extorted Taylor Swift, but like, threatened and blackmailed her. Basically, the lawyers alleging that they have a really legitimate source that said Blake Lively asked. Threatened. Asked Taylor to like, speak out on her behalf while everyone was coming for Taylor. I mean, excuse me, for Blake. And if she didn't then threaten to like, release personal text messages from the last 10 years of their, you know, personal friendship. That's what's being alleged. And it's apparently this, like, really legitimate source who knows this stuff.

[Jackie Oshry]

So then their text messages could be subpoenaed.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right. And so Taylor then was subpoenaed earlier this week. Her team released a statement being, like, she didn't work on the movie, she didn't work on the score. Yeah, they licensed her song My Tears Ricochet for the trailer. But, like, she was busy being on one of the biggest world tours. Like, this has nothing to do with me. Please excuse me from this narrative. So it's gotten really messy with Taylor, and I think anytime. Like, I think it's a strategic thing because anytime Taylor gets brought up, this. The lawsuit gets brought up again in.

[Jackie Oshry]

A major way on this show.

[Claudia Oshry]

On this show in a major way. And it's really always in favor of Justin Baltoni. Because even though at first I really didn't believe any of the things they were saying about Taylor and Blake, like, these two have not been spotted together in a really long time, so I don't know what's true. And at first I was like, there's literally no way. There's no way. But if Blake did, like, even remotely threaten Taylor, like, Taylor's out.

[Jackie Oshry]

Oh, I was gonna say, where are you?

[Claudia Oshry]

Then where am I? Oh, I don't know. That would. That's such crazy behavior.

[Jackie Oshry]

How does this affect Turdy? Is anybody asking these questions?

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't know. I don't know. Because this whole time, I've really felt like so much of the Taylor rhetoric is, like, blown up. Like, what the does this have to do with Taylor Swift? And I'm sorry. I just never took Taylor as, like, one of those friends. They have painted it up until this point that Taylor, like, is staying away from Blake because she doesn't want, like, the stain of a, you know, a scandal on her record. And I'm like, that's really lame. Like, your friend is your friend. And I didn't believe Taylor to be that type of person, but now it seems like she's just mad at Blake for doing something to her. Like, that's different than, like, you know, is. What's the word I'm looking for?

[Jackie Oshry]

And distancing.

[Claudia Oshry]

Distancing yourself from. Afraid it was like having a public.

[Jackie Oshry]

School be mad at someone. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I'm like, if you're distancing your friend from having a public scandal, like, you've had public scandals. That's really lame of you, Taylor. I never thought that that was the truth.

[Jackie Oshry]

I didn't think so now it seems.

[Claudia Oshry]

Like she has a legitimate gripe, and I'm like, well, if that's the case, but this is all coming from Justin Baldoni, like, What do we know? The thing is, we will know if these two are never spotted together ever again. Like, something happened.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

But Blake has been taking time off from, like, public events. Taylor hasn't been seen in a couple of months.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm sorry.

[Claudia Oshry]

No.

[Jackie Oshry]

Blake's been everywhere.

[Claudia Oshry]

Sorry. I guess that's true.

[Jackie Oshry]

Likes, everywhere. She's only Salma dinner last night. She's at only recently. Stood up and talked.

[Claudia Oshry]

Only recently.

[Jackie Oshry]

I feel like she's doing simple favor.

[Claudia Oshry]

Press her and Taylor's, like, blackout dates didn't overlap. Like, Taylor was being really public and Blake was not. And then Taylor went, you know, on vacation. I don't know where she's been the last couple of weeks slash months. And Blake did time 100. Now, like, I feel like they.

[Jackie Oshry]

Fine.

[Claudia Oshry]

So if there's a time, like super bowl or whatever, like things that they would be doing together that they're not doing, then I will say something happened.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay. But if Blake threatened Taylor, which I think would be, like, the seriously the.

[Claudia Oshry]

Stupidest thing she could do.

[Jackie Oshry]

Could do.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, that's your dragon. You want to piss off your dragon, they'll burn you.

[Claudia Oshry]

My dragon?

[Jackie Oshry]

Your dragon. So, like, say, Blake Byrne, Taylor, where do you stand?

[Claudia Oshry]

Well, obviously, Sam Taylor, because that's so lame. Like, anyone threatening your personal text messages. Like, as a public figure, like, your privacy is the only thing you have as a friend. But as a friend who, like, we know, like, what does Taylor value most? Really? Her privacy. And, like, the people she keeps close to her. And Blake has withstood every friend from the last 10 years. The girl squad. Everyone has come and go, but Blake has been tried and true. And they're so close, like with the kids and the music. If that's devastating.

[Jackie Oshry]

Do you think it was Ryan from Blake's phone? No.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's funny.

[Jackie Oshry]

You don't. Don't you want to blame the man?

[Claudia Oshry]

Thousand percent.

[Jackie Oshry]

Then you don't have to deal with these conflicting feelings.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, no. My feelings are as such. If Blake did this, she's so wrong for that. And, like, I'm Team Taylor 100. Taylor should never be her friend again.

[Jackie Oshry]

This is now being team Taylor mean being team Baldoni.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't think it does. I'm holding space.

[Jackie Oshry]

Enemy of your enemy is not your friend.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't think in this case, no. But again, these are all documents allegations being made from Justin Baldoni.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And for their part, Blake's attorney spoke out to deny the claim that Justin's attorney made about the actress's friendship with Taylor.

[Claudia Oshry]

The thing Is this is very easily deniable. Go to dinner. Like, I will be settled. You two go to dinner. Give me a blurry paparazzi picture at a. At a restaurant in Philadelphia. Like, go to dinner. And we're good.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

This is easy to figure out if it's true or not because Taylor would never talk to her again if it was true.

[Jackie Oshry]

Just to say the letter that they sent to get Taylor subpoenaed said his lawyer said that they have a source who is highly likely to have reliable information alleged to them that there is evidence of Lively's lawyers pressuring Swift's lawyers. Okay, so lawyer to lawyer.

[Claudia Oshry]

Lawyer. Not Ryan to Taylor.

[Jackie Oshry]

Ryan to lawyer.

[Claudia Oshry]

Ryan to lawyer to Taylor to lawyer.

[Jackie Oshry]

To release a statement of support for the actress amid the legal saga. If they refused, Lively was willing to leak their text messages in what he called extortionate threats. There is no evidence of the claims yet, but the lawyer said their subpoena seeks to obtain these communications.

[Claudia Oshry]

A legal letter.

[Jackie Oshry]

And by the way, they would have that correct.

[Claudia Oshry]

So this, this to me seems easily.

[Jackie Oshry]

Provable for in a year and we'll have forgotten him. There's so many other things we're waiting on. We're like, okay, we'll just bookmark that trial. No, no, I mean, even in this trial, like so many he said, she said. It's like, okay, jury's out until the jury's in in March 2026. So we need to keep a list of things we're waiting for returns.

[Claudia Oshry]

I think the Taylor one is something we'll remember. Like, this is like remind. It's a personal connection.

[Jackie Oshry]

Please remind us.

[Claudia Oshry]

Please remind us.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, that's not good.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Yay.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

Booking. Dad. Yeah. Wow.

[Claudia Oshry]

I like that.

[Jackie Oshry]

You can let me. Oh, dirty.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

I beg to at the top of the episode because I didn't have my usual ad turned and so I said, let me do one. Yeah, sure.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, sure.

[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

I can't breathe. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

She goes sage green because she has touches of sage green in her apartment. I don't know if you knew that about her.

[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

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[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

What are you nuts?

[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

Great.

[Jackie Oshry]

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[Claudia Oshry]

Thank you. I was gonna pass out, laid it slayed 25 seconds over. But we're fine.

[Jackie Oshry]

It was worth it. I had fun.

[Claudia Oshry]

It was worth it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Our fifth and final story is a little rebranding news that means a lot to us because HBO Max will live again. Max will be changing its name back to HBO Max after two years ago changing its name from HBO Max to Max.

[Claudia Oshry]

So they started as HBO Go, and then they were HBO now, and then they were HBO Max, and then they were Max, and now they're back to being HBO Max. And I remember we reported that they were going from HBO Max to Max. That that was a mistake because hbo, like, people die for recognizability like that. And while yes, Max offers a wide variety of shows that were never on hbo, it's most popular for streaming the White Lotus. Things that are actively on hbo. Game of Thrones. Like, I don't know why they ran from it. And obviously they don't either because they're going back and normalize, like, undoing something. You know, I feel like people, they spend so much money on rebrands. Like, oh, we can't. We can't. Even though it was a mistake. Like, no, clearly it was a mistake. Good on you for like, acknowledging it.

[Jackie Oshry]

Okay, I just want to say good on you for nothing. Stupid. This is so stupid that they ever went to Max and.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes. Not only that. I don't know if you remember this. I only remember it because I was cleaning out my apps on my TV recently and I saw it was a different new app. Yeah, I just deleted HBO Max.

[Claudia Oshry]

They made you download something new.

[Jackie Oshry]

Are we gonna have to download something new again? You're so stupid with your bad shows. One more wrong move and everyone's gonna know it's true. We already know.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah, they're gonna guess what if you.

[Jackie Oshry]

Make me download one more app? I'm not gonna do it.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's actually.

[Jackie Oshry]

I can live without the white lotus. I could live without success.

[Claudia Oshry]

We had the blue app, and then they made us get the purple one.

[Jackie Oshry]

And we had the black, and I was happy with the black.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, if they make us Redownload another app, which I don't know why you can't change your logo without having a whole new app that. I didn't even think about that. Jackie, that's a really good point.

[Jackie Oshry]

I want to see heads roll at HBO hq. I want heads on a spike. I want the name of the person who pushed this through, and I want them pushed out the door. And then I will think about downloading the next app, but not without accountability for all the upheaval you've caused in my life. Well, we just are supposed to applaud them for seeing what a third grader could have seen.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh my God, it's like a new show. Are you smarter than a Max executive?

[Jackie Oshry]

Yes.

[Claudia Oshry]

I'm cracking up. No, you're 100, right? Like normalized.

[Jackie Oshry]

You're giving them so much grace and they don't deserve it.

[Claudia Oshry]

I am.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's textbook.

[Claudia Oshry]

Textbook. And this episode's brought to you by Hulu, so you guys can eat my ass. Okay.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. They would never do something so foolish.

[Claudia Oshry]

Innovative. Yeah, they would never. No, but I mean, like, Max could never do something as innovative as sponsoring the toast. But I challenge you.

[Jackie Oshry]

We have spots available.

[Claudia Oshry]

We actually.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'll give you an extra 25 seconds if you change it. Don't make it.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, we won't. We don't give idiots extra 25 seconds.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's true.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh my God, I'm cracking up. No, you're right. Not me being so nice. Like, good on you. I just feel like sometimes people, like, make a mistake that's so obvious. But like, they did it in such a big way. They're like, well, we can't backtrack, you know, we can't undo this. You can.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, but I feel like they're not even saying, like, we're sorry, Right?

[Claudia Oshry]

They're just being like, haha, oops. Yeah, they put out a tweet of that Marnie quote, like, okay, make fun of the girl who, you know, tried something new.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's like, no, make fun of the idiot who's an idiot.

[Claudia Oshry]

Make one of the billion dollar company who couldn't see what, as Jackie put it so eloquently, what a third grader could say.

[Jackie Oshry]

Make fun of the billion dollar company that can't hire someone with two brain cells.

[Claudia Oshry]

Damn.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, I'm sorry. That was crazy. You think you're going to slip that into the fifth and final? I don't think so.

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't think so. It's such fifth and final story. It's like fodder though.

[Jackie Oshry]

You know, yeah, it's rebrand.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's the elk of the final story.

[Jackie Oshry]

Fifth story was made for a thousand streaming news.

[Claudia Oshry]

Streaming. Rebrand news.

[Jackie Oshry]

Streaming and. Or rebrand news.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's true. It's true. Let's dive into the summer house recap, which was last night's episode. The final weekend in the house. Lexi just like shows up and she's changed her mind. And I live for it. And I feel like some people. What I had seen people saying, which I found really disappointing, was like, they were so team Lexi up until this point. But like last night was like, clearly Lexi getting exposed as some sort of liar, whereas I had a totally different experience. Like, like Lexi's valid in saying, like, we just had a whole conversation breaking up. Sierra didn't come up. Once you go up to recap with everyone and suddenly it's all about Sierra and then they're parsing out. They obviously had a conversation about Sierra this week at the US Open and they are describing it entirely differently. And I just want to say for everyone saying, like, everyone, Lexi's so crazy, yada yada, like, Sierra has been like a thorn in their side of their relationship and they're finally doing better. And I don't know if they went to the US Open together, but like, like taking pictures with a girl who's not your girlfriend, who's like, like, I think it's still inappropriate behavior on Jesse's part and I know that's like not cool of me to say, like, what, Like Sierra didn't do anything? No, Sierra didn't do anything. But like, you're obviously in a new relationship. You've been accused of being super flirty with this girl and I know you care about your friendship with her, but like, do you think it's appropriate when you're like in a relationship to be taking pictures and like hanging out solo with a girl who you said you wish you had hit on last summer.

[Jackie Oshry]

What's crazy is I agree with you and like that now would be the time to just like have more back boundaries between the two of them. Just because she is like this sticking point. That's not even what Lexi said. What she said was like, literally last weekend she was yelling at you, calling you two faced loser. Like, couldn't give two shits about you. She's mean to us and she's been meaning to Mel Summer and that's his best friend. And I don't know how that's not a bigger issue between all of them that like everything's about Jesse and Sierra. And it's like, wait, what about Wes? But he's just so happy to not be yelled at that he's not gonna start complaining. But. So she's like, as your partner, like, this was a person who was mean to you two days ago. And then I. And it upset you, and it hurt you, and you said, I dislike you, like, them. And then to see you with them, it does make you look like a liar. And I'm in protective mode of, like, we're. Like, we're not about this person right now. So then I have to flip a switch because you just did. But, like, that's not how most people.

[Claudia Oshry]

Operate a thousand percent. And so it's either, like, one of these two people is lying, and, like, their version of the truth is just so different. And so I don't know who I'm inclined to believe. But it's not Jesse. Right? Like, this is a person who has been dishonest with Lexi all season long. And then last night on watch happens live, like, literally, he was asked kind of a harmless question. It was like, wes, did you feel any type of way seeing Jesse, like, drunk mad that Lexi was allegedly flirting with you? And Jesse was like, I never said that. And both Andy and Wes were like, yeah, you did. It's literally on camera. Like, we're not mad, but, like, why are you lying? Like, it was such a random thing to lie about that I'm like, I'm not inclined to believe you as a truth teller.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. I think that when Lexi and Jesse talk sometimes, and I think this happens in a lot of relationships, like, where she says one thing and he hears another thing, so then he tells the group what he heard, but that's not what she said. And I felt like her reaction last night, like, really? Unless she's a complete sociopathic liar, in which case I stand no chance against her.

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

I'm just watching it. And she's like an actress for the ages. But her reaction to when Kyle brought up Sierra and she was like, wait, was genuine. She was. She wasn't even, like, putting on. She was just confused. Like, what about Sierra? Like, what does that have to do with anything? And then at the table, like, I felt like nothing that they said. She never for one second looked guilty or like, oh, my God, I can't believe you told them.

[Claudia Oshry]

She got, like, caught in some sort of. Like, she didn't.

[Jackie Oshry]

Right. So I'm with her. I think she's been more consistent than Jesse. I trust her version of events more than Jesse's. What I do want to know. And I'm sure she could answer the question if I get a chance to ask her, is she said over the summer she caught him in a lot of little lies. Now, of course, there's Toe gate and Sierra Flirtgate, but I feel like there were other things during the week, other, like, just little omissions that she had noticed that she's also talking about. And I just would like to know, like, some examples and even whether or not he got a manicure is irrelevant.

[Claudia Oshry]

And I don't think she was saying that he didn't get a manicure.

[Jackie Oshry]

She was just feeling. She felt when you ask someone a question and they tell you something and you can't believe them, that's not a person you should be with. And, like, now she knows that.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

I feel like also people will probably try and make something of the fact that she either should have broken up with him after season. No, no. Like, not like, I feel like you could say that it was a little, like, thirsty.

[Claudia Oshry]

So that's what people had said, like, team Lexi. But it seems like she just wanted the relationship to run its course the entire season. And the second the show ends on the last weekend, she's breaking up with him, which, no, I don't agree with either.

[Jackie Oshry]

I don't agree with that. I understand why she didn't want to lead him on all weekend and then break up with him next week. I also understand why she didn't break up with him on a Thursday. Like, we are doing a show. We have been the main storyline. And, like, let's just put it together. And when everyone is involved in the house sometimes, like, yeah, you don't want to have conversations in front of everyone. But like, this. This dinner table conversation needs to happen.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

When it's a game of telephone, it's like, let's all sit down and talk. And I can hear what you said about me and you can hear what I think about you.

[Claudia Oshry]

No. And like, Lexi feels so alienated from the girls. She blames Jesse for that. Jesse feels like Lexi's a liar and hates Sierra. And, like, Lexi and Sierra, like, really have never talked. This is long overdue. And I like that she came in kind of guns blazing, like, defending herself because it kind of is her again, against everyone. Like, they. There are insides. But the girls like Jesse.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And they like Sierra. And if it's turning into Lexi versus Sierra, which more and more offline, it is like this during the season, I think you could say, well, they are not having no issue but they clearly have an issue. There's clearly, like, this underlying tension. And then the rest of the year, like, it gets bigger and it's gonna blow up at the reunion. And she said, don't talk about me and all this stuff. So I think it all does need to be said out in the open. And I think Lexi's handling herself really well for someone who's coming in season one, kind of friendless.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Bailey got so cut out, I literally forgot about her. She.

[Jackie Oshry]

At least she has Lindsay and Gabby, but they're not gonna speak up to defend her because they have no idea.

[Claudia Oshry]

They barely know her. But, like, she's really on an island of her own.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. And I think that she's handling herself well, so I feel bad for her. I do think that she really liked Jesse. And something that people say that bothers me. It's like, this was always fake. They have no. Where's the chemistry? Where's. I've never seen two people so obsessed with each other. Like, from the minute they met, it was like, sparks flying.

[Claudia Oshry]

Agreed. I don't. I don't agree with a lot of what people are saying.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, are we watching the same show? They can't keep their hands off each other 1000%.

[Claudia Oshry]

The other thing I wanted to say is I felt like everybody was, like, really being dramatic and not understanding Lindsay's Instagram post at all. Like, I did not think it was weird. And, like, yeah, it was this major moment for her. She wasn't even talking so much about the breakup. She's talking about all the things she's accomplished in the year since. And how, like, a year, if you told her, you know, this is the worst day of your life, but in a year from now, you're going to be so happy pregnant. Like, literally filling your dreams. Like, everybody. Carl's so butthurt. Like, and everybody was, like, gassing him up. Like, it was weird. Like, it really. I didn't think it was so weird.

[Jackie Oshry]

People who weren't being, like, Carl about it were just being so shady towards her. Like, Amanda. Like, I read your. Your book.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yes. So shady.

[Jackie Oshry]

Don't be rude.

[Claudia Oshry]

Agreed. Like, this is a monumental moment. And I don't know, like, Lindsay at this point can do no wrong for me.

[Jackie Oshry]

She can do no wrong for me, too. But also, like, she is. Is pregnant. I do think that she has a.

[Claudia Oshry]

She's feeling reflective.

[Jackie Oshry]

See, to have a long Instagram caption. It's not like she's always been short and sweet and chose today to write a novel. Like, I think she. That's the type of social media user that she is. She's being reflective. Like, what's. And it happened to fall on a Friday. Like, I'm sure if it happened on a Wednesday, she would have. She didn't meet, like it. To post it an hour before coming into the house, but that's how it.

[Claudia Oshry]

Shook out no one. Also, even when she was like, making her speech, it wasn't even derogatory towards Carl. It was like, we're both better off. Like, it's good. I don't know. They were like, really looking for something. There wasn't anything there. Yeah, Like, I was like, what's the big deal?

[Jackie Oshry]

You just let her, like, be. And she let her be. She's so funny. Like, I was never. You're not funny. So I'm never gonna be on your side.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I mean, Carl rolling up in his mobile. Mobile bar. Excuse me.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

I literally burped. It wasn't even. So his mobile bar. That was like a low for humanity.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. But at least like, that truck looks good compared to $10,000 a month for the next.

[Claudia Oshry]

They should continue doing the truck. Yeah, it's a nice truck.

[Jackie Oshry]

Yeah. Keep the truck go around. It's not liquor, so you don't need a license. It's like a little ice.

[Claudia Oshry]

Ice cream truck. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

Everyone wants a little refreshment in the summer.

[Claudia Oshry]

A thousand percent of my spot. Park it outside of Surf Lodge.

[Jackie Oshry]

Here you are, Claudia.

[Claudia Oshry]

Here you are.

[Jackie Oshry]

That's like me at the beginning of the show trying to manifest and be present, be present.

[Claudia Oshry]

Here you are, near.

[Jackie Oshry]

Now I need to go to soft bar to become present.

[Claudia Oshry]

You're kind of like a target demo. You don't drink.

[Jackie Oshry]

The thing is, I'm the target demo and I wouldn't want to go. That's a problem.

[Claudia Oshry]

You couldn't get Jackie within 100ft of software.

[Jackie Oshry]

Not even because it's Carl's. Like.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, I know. Well, for like. Well, yes, because it's Carl's, but also because it's a terrible idea.

[Jackie Oshry]

Who would I go with? Who would go with me if I even go?

[Claudia Oshry]

Right.

[Jackie Oshry]

Nobody wants to go there with kids.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's true.

[Jackie Oshry]

They shouldn't. Honestly, if it's. It's a bar because it's soft bar. Obviously they don't serve alcohol. They shouldn't allow kids in. Right, right.

[Claudia Oshry]

It's supposed to be like adult elevated experience. Yeah.

[Jackie Oshry]

It's very problematic, this soft bar, to put it mildly. Yeah.

[Claudia Oshry]

So I think we probably have one.

[Jackie Oshry]

More episode next week's. The season finale and then the reunion.

[Claudia Oshry]

Which I've heard was great. So it's been a good season and for everyone.

[Jackie Oshry]

And also, don't forget on the season finale, we're gonna get, like, Paige and Craig.

[Claudia Oshry]

Oh, yeah. But for everybody being, like, enough Lexi and Jesse, like, honestly think you're like, what the hell would we be talking about, Kyle? Sperm. Like, it's the only thing that happened this season. Like, they're the only people who brought it.

[Jackie Oshry]

No, it's really true. What would have maybe would have done something Imrule. It's time to talk to Emeril. I should have him on for Jackson Blank.

[Claudia Oshry]

It would just be a silent episode.

[Jackie Oshry]

But, like, I do look forward to hearing from Emeril at the reunion. Like, I do need to. I hope he's not here next season.

[Claudia Oshry]

No, he's. Jackie's not.

[Jackie Oshry]

But we do need to close the book on Emerald.

[Claudia Oshry]

A thousand percent. They cut him out of last week's episode. You know, he was in the house.

[Jackie Oshry]

He was.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. I saw, like, people putting it together on social media. Like, he was fully in the house.

[Jackie Oshry]

Why cut him out?

[Claudia Oshry]

I don't know. It's like, more work. Like, I literally don't know.

[Jackie Oshry]

Maybe they didn't want to pay him. That pricey.

[Claudia Oshry]

So true.

[Jackie Oshry]

The editor's work was probably more pricey.

[Claudia Oshry]

So crazy if they didn't want to pay him. Oh, my God.

[Jackie Oshry]

Like, to me, he's up there with Benji on the side stick of, like, horrible reality tv. That warms my heart.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. Like, sometimes you just have to, like, kind of look away or, like, squint.

[Jackie Oshry]

But, like, it's so bad. It's good. So bad that it's good.

[Claudia Oshry]

That's our summer house recap. That's our final pregnant podcasting in public, in person, together.

[Jackie Oshry]

Final. This era of Jackson Claude podcasting in this era, this time.

[Claudia Oshry]

Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. You were bigger than the whole sky.

[Jackie Oshry]

You are more than just a short time. This one lasted pretty long. This error.

[Claudia Oshry]

Yeah. I got a lot to pine about. I've got a lot to think about. I'm never gonna meet what coulda been, woulda been, what should have been you. Love ya.

[Jackie Oshry]

Bye.

[Claudia Oshry]

Tears, Tears.