Podcasting in 4k with Danielle Carolan: Thursday, November 20th, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Toast — "Podcasting in 4K with Danielle Carolan"

Date: November 20, 2025
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Guest: Danielle Carolan

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Overview

This lively episode of The Toast features a conversation between Claudia Oshry and influencer-podcaster Danielle Carolan (“Gals on the Go”). The two dive into foodie preferences, southern roots, their careers as content creators, navigating internet drama, and offer a passionate, critical recap of the 2025 CMA Awards. With Danielle's background in podcasting and her relatable “comfort creator” status, the hosts deliver an episode that's part catch-up, part industry insight, and part pop culture commentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Welcoming Danielle: Full Circle Moments

• Danielle’s Relationship with The Toast: Claudia recalls Danielle’s first appearance years ago, noting how it brought “college aged listeners” to the show and cemented Danielle’s influencer legacy.

  • “We have so many toasters who started their journey… from you.” (01:03 — Claudia)

• UGA & Southern Fame: Nostalgic talk of the University of Georgia, Athens, and how Claudia was treated “like royalty" at UGA, poking fun at their “famous alum” status (Jet vs. Claudia).

• Food takes and Fast Food: Dives into their food preferences—both admit to being notoriously picky eaters, and bond over ARFID (Avoidant/Restrictive Food Intake Disorder).

  Claudia (02:42): “I think McDonald’s is better than everything... to me, McDonald’s deserves a Michelin star.”

  Danielle (03:15): “Literally the same as you... Pasta, chicken, rice. Oh my God, yes.”

Timestamps:

• 00:03–01:36: Danielle’s intro, Toast first appearance, UGA stories

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2. Influencer Origins and Creator Careers

• Platform Growth: Danielle’s main platform is YouTube (“500,000, not growing”), but she now makes most of her income from podcasting, echoing Claudia (“podcasting is the mothership”).
• Influencer vs. Content Creator: Both unpack the shift in terminology and social perception.
  • “I just won’t get on board with [content creator instead of influencer]. Like, okay, yeah, there are bad influencers... who gives a fuck?” (14:50 — Claudia)
• Respect for the Craft: Danielle shares that having guests on her own podcast gives her anxiety, relating as both guest and host makes the process smoother.

Timestamps:

• 13:22–15:42: Platform priorities, influencer terminology, “comfort creator” discussion

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3. CMA Awards Deep-Dive: Awards, Snubs, Systemic Issues

• Both hosts critique the recent CMA Awards—calling out perceived injustices in nominations and wins, especially around Lainey Wilson’s multiple victories.

• Industry Politics: Discussion centers on how awards bodies “over-correct” for long-standing genre sexism, now to the detriment of fairness.

  Claudia (20:17): “Lainey Wilson… doesn’t deserve half the awards she gets. I feel like country has a real issue with women and not giving women, like, the credit they deserve. I feel like they're trying to undo all of that by just giving it to Lainey Wilson.”

  Danielle (21:55): “She was a great host. Like, can she just be the host?”

• Morgan Wallen & Diversity: Criticizes the genre's reluctance to award certain artists (e.g. Morgan Wallen for controversies, Shaboozey for diversity), tackling how political correctness and image management can overshadow merit.

• Personal Picks: Both suggest “You Look Like You Love Me” (Ella Langley & Riley Green) deserved its Single of the Year win, and Danielle subtly reports on the “awkward” nature of artist relationships behind-the-scenes.

Timestamps:

• 19:55–27:00: CMA Awards recap, Entertainer of the Year controversy, insider gossip

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4. Internet & TikTok Dramas

• Hair By Chrissy saga:

  • Explains the viral saga of Hair by Chrissy's $4K influencer hair appointments gone wrong, internet hate/cancellation cycles, and the blurred lines between business, content, and personal responsibility.

    Claudia (50:05): “If you're a person who spends $4,000 on, like, an internet hair experience and it doesn't go the way you want... you're not a sympathetic victim to me.”

• Skincare for Kids:

  • Debates modern “skincare for kids,” referencing Shay Mitchell’s new line and the viral backlash—ultimately coming down on the side of indifference and pointing out social media’s role in amplifying micro-dramas.

• New York Influencer Wars:

  • Both feel detached from the recent “New York influencers are boring” drama on TikTok; Danielle notes her support for other content creators who were impacted, calling the spark video mean and “jealous-wenchy.”

Timestamps:

• 45:59–55:37: Hair by Chrissy drama, TikTok cycles, influencer criticism
• 30:42–33:07: Skincare for kids/Drunk Elephant discourse
• 39:44–41:13: New York influencer drama

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5. Personal & Candid Moments

• Food & ARFID: Mutual commiseration over ARFID and picky eating, including a running joke about only eating "chicken, pasta, and rice."
• Therapy & Journaling:
  • Both discuss boundaries and honesty in therapy—admitting to occasionally lying or holding back from their therapists.
• College memories & Gals on the Go:

  • Danielle reflects on meeting her "Gals on the Go" co-host Brooke in-person as a teen, and how both ended up at UGA, tying into their dynamic as a podcast duo.

    Danielle (63:05): “I was 14. I think she was 15... Now I feel like if something happened like that now... it would be, like, 'no, no, no, no.' But this is precious.”

Timestamps:

• 03:23–05:36: Food pickiness, ARFID
• 35:09–39:36: Journals, privacy, therapy
• 62:32–63:46: Danielle & Brooke’s friendship and podcast origin

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On micro-celebrity at UGA:

  “Honestly, so cool. I never felt more famous than I did when I went to UGA.” (01:53 – Claudia)

• On fast food love:

  “To me, McDonald’s deserves a Michelin star.” (02:42 – Claudia)

• On awards politics:

  “I feel like country has a real issue with women... now they're trying to undo all of that... just giving it to Lainey Wilson.” (20:17 – Claudia)

• On influencer titles:

  “There are bad influencers like there are bad accountants, who gives a f*ck?” (14:50 – Claudia)

• On the Hair by Chrissy saga:

  “You think you’re going to cancel Hair by Chrissy? You’re not. She has survived worse than this.” (48:39 – Claudia)

• On internet drama:

  “The girl who made the video was clearly mean and jealous… Her video was really mean spirited, like she gave off jealous wenchy energy.” (40:53 – Claudia)

• On the therapy experience:

  “Sometimes every now and then, I lie to my therapist because I’m too embarrassed.” (37:17 – Danielle)
  “If you’re thinking about [therapy], you should do it. But I don’t think… if you don’t go to therapy, that’s bad—it’s not.” (38:58 – Claudia)

• On the Gals on the Go friendship:

  “We met up at the mall. Our moms... sat in the food court. Now we do a podcast.” (63:08 – Danielle)

• On hosting live shows:

  “If you’re not gonna make it worth people’s money... it has to be worth your time.” (62:09 – Claudia)

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Other Highlights

• Disney Cruises as content fodder: Danielle recaps her recent Disney cruise; Claudia admits she’d theoretically enjoy a cruise (“tailored to my interests—all buffets and swimming!”) but couldn’t handle not being able to “go.”
• Accent/Linguistic quirks: The pair joke about their regional pronunciation differences (“Orange, water, y’all”) and Florida/Georgia cultural quirks.
• Therapy honesty: Both admit to strategic honesty and sometimes lying to their therapist to avoid embarrassment.
• Podcast Live Shows: Candid reflections on what makes for worthwhile podcasting live events and the pressure to “put your whole gal on the gussie” (62:21).

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Important Timestamps

| Time | Segment | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 00:03–01:36| UGA stories, Toast legacy, first appearance | | 02:42–03:44| Fast food debates, picky eating, ARFID | | 13:22–14:50| Influencer career origins, shifting social terms | | 19:55–27:00| CMA Awards breakdown and industry politics | | 30:42–33:03| Skincare for kids, Shay Mitchell TikTok discourse | | 39:44–41:13| NY influencers “boring” TikTok drama | | 45:59–55:37| Hair by Chrissy $4K extension scandal, TikTok cycles| | 62:32–63:46| Danielle & Brooke’s friendship and podcast genesis |

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Closing Thoughts

This episode embodies The Toast’s trademark blend of internet-literate humor, “inside baseball” pop culture analysis, and sincere girl chat. Claudia and Danielle’s chemistry and shared history made for an episode full of relatable anecdotes, industry insights, and plenty of quotable moments—sure to delight new listeners as well as longtime “Toasters.”

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your host. It's your favorite show. The best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off. Swirly. It's the Toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to the Toast and Happy Thursday. And might I say go dogs, because today is coming co host is not only a Georgia native, a Swirly, a gal on the go, she's also a co host. Almost five years in the making. Well, no, 13 years in the making because. Well, first of all, it's Danielle. Caroline. Welcome to the toast. Danielle Carolan.

[B]

Thank you so much. You said my name correctly. Of course. I love the way you and Margo and Jessica.

[A]

How do people say your name?

[B]

Caroline. I'm like, where's the. I.

[A]

You know what? I was talking to Ben this morning and he was like, danielle Carolyn. I'm like, no, it's Carol Ann. Actually. Actually, your second time on the toast. A lot of people don't know that.

[B]

It'S my second time on the toast. The first time I was literally in college and I was here for a weekend.

[A]

But do you know how many people tell us that they, like, came to the Toast for the first time for your episode and, like, stuck around? We have, like, so many toasters who started their journey on the toast from you. Like a lot of our youth, our college aged listeners.

[B]

Our youth will let me tell you, your youth is still going. I'm getting girls that are actively at the University of Georgia texting me this morning. Wait, are you the one on the Toast today?

[A]

My God. Go tool.

[B]

Go dogs. We also have to talk about the fact that a year or two ago we were both in Athens with Stella.

[A]

I have been to uga.

[B]

No, but Claudia, what's the funniest thing is, like, you were like royalty there that day. I. We were all. I was there too. Like, with us.

[A]

You're like the most famous alum. At least the most famous alum that I know. You and Jet.

[B]

Jet, Yes, I know. I saw a lot of people thought it was going to be Jet.

[A]

Imagine Jet, my co host. No pookie just yet. That would be hilarious.

[B]

Hold the pookie. Hold the boogie. No, no. It was so funny though, because I remember being like, oh, like, like Claudia was like back so stage and I just like popped in for a second.

[A]

Honestly, so cool. I never felt more famous than I did when I went to uga. They love you. Not me being huge in the South.

[B]

Huge in the South. And you also, like did the Greek Grind thing, right? You hosted Greek?

[A]

Yes. Okay, so like, and you did it like, like eight years ago? Yeah, I hosted Greek Grind, which I think is like this big deal. I had no idea what it was. And I had a great time. Like, it was super fun. I made like, a couple of jokes that people did not like about Chick Fil A. Like, everyone was so sensitive. I'm like, okay, sorry, it's not that good. You don't like, like. No, no, it's good. It's like, it, like it's chicken nuggets. What's not to like?

[B]

Of course.

[A]

But like, McDonald's is also good. People act like Chick Fil a is so much better and different. If there's anything out here that's like, different, it's raising Cane's. Like, they're different. I love, like, Chick Fil a is just like fast food. It's delicious. I love fast food. It deserves a Michelin star. But like, what's so different than Wendy's? You know what I mean?

[B]

So you like McDonald's better than Chick Fil A?

[A]

Okay, so I have a very complicated relationship with fast food in the sense that, like, yes, I'm toxic. And I think McDonald's is better than everything. And it's crazy that people, like, want to go out and like, go to like, the world's most famous omakase. And I'm like, but have you gu. Ever tried McDonald's? Like, to me, McDonald's deserves a Michelin star.

[B]

Well, you're like a plain eater, right?

[A]

Extremely plain. Yeah, me too. Claudia, are you.

[B]

I'm so picky. I do not eat seafood. I do not eat sushi. I don't like a lot of sauces.

[A]

Do you like ketchup? Only ketchup. See, I don't like mustard.

[B]

No mustard. Oh, really? No mayo.

[A]

Ew, yucky. No mayo.

[B]

Wait, so do you like chicken salad?

[A]

Yuck, same. Oh my God. I don't like any of those salads. I don't eat tuna salads. I don't eat chicken salad. I don't eat egg salad. What do you eat?

[B]

Like, literally the same as you. I feel like, like pasta, chicken, rice. Oh my God, yes. No, when you talk about that, I'm like, yeah, which we also.

[A]

We never met another arfid. You know, we have an eating disorder. It's called arfid. Acute Restrictive food something disorder. Wait, that disorder? Yeah.

[B]

Do people, like, make it like. I try not to make it a.

[A]

Problem, but then of course, because I don't want people talking about you. They eat this. I'm like, no, no, just leave me alone. Everyone's like, should we share tapas? I'm like, no, I'm getting my own. Like, this. Probably the salmon or the chicken and, like, leave me alone. Yeah, I eat salmon.

[B]

Oh, I was gonna say you eat seafood.

[A]

Well, just salmon.

[B]

That is so.

[A]

Have you eaten salmon? No. I've recently been trying branzino. No, let me tell you, it's. Salmon is, like, kind of crazy. Branzino you would like. It tastes like nothing.

[B]

Okay, but here's my thing with that. I'm like, I would just rather get the chicken.

[A]

Well, of course, but sometimes, like, you've got to switch it up. And let me say, restaurants don't put their whole, like, restussy Restusy into the chicken. The chicken, I feel, is an afterthought. It's never, like, no restaurant's, like, known for their chicken. Except French yet. Have you been to French yet?

[B]

No.

[A]

You gotta go. You gotta get the chicken and the mashed potatoes. Like, that's. But I feel like it's an afterthought for a lot of restaurants. Like, just, you know, they throw the.

[B]

Roast chicken on the menu.

[A]

Whereas, like, branzino's kind of like, everyone's, you know, Milo. Like, they're known for their branzino. Yeah. Oh, my God. Wait, you know you talked about the specials, right?

[B]

And how you don't care about the specials.

[A]

I did talk about the specials.

[B]

I sent that to my boyfriend because I saw the clip, and I was like, ryan, this is me. Like, I hate the special. I don't want to hear specials.

[A]

I know when they come over, I, like, feel so awkward because I know it's, like, an important part of their job, and I know they work hard on, like, memorizing it. But, like, seriously, don't, like, don't even bother.

[B]

Do not bother.

[A]

I've never ordered a special in my life. Unless, like, matsu sticks are special. Yeah.

[B]

No, it's like, if there's a pasta.

[A]

I always feel like I'm being, like, kind of sophisticated when I order a mozzarella stick. Really? Yeah. It's just like, oh, okay. Cheese.

[B]

I, like, feel like I'm at a bowling alley. I think you're probably right, but, like, obsessed. Because I'm always getting the mozzarella sticks. Like, the simplest thing on the menu.

[A]

Yeah, of course. Oh, my God. I've never met somebody who has the same, like, exact. Like, I know a lot of picky eaters, but, like, people aren't as Picky. Like, everyone says they're a picky eater. I'm like, well, if you're eating like an espa salad, like, you're not a picky eater. Yeah, I am a truly picky eater. And so I've never met somebody who has the same.

[B]

Will you eat in a suave salad?

[A]

Never in my life. Okay.

[B]

I actually would. Crazy.

[A]

Okay. Like egg and tuna. That's a really crazy.

[B]

Oh, maybe I'm thinking of something else.

[A]

Definitely. Nice salad. Yeah, no, you don't.

[B]

I'm thinking of like a hard green beans and the lettuce and it's good. That's French. Like haircut. Ver. I don't know.

[A]

Oh, no. Yeah, I definitely eat that.

[B]

I'm a plane eater, so I know what I'm talking about now.

[A]

You were supposed to be on the toast three years ago. The drama, the drama. You were supposed to be on the toast two years ago. And literally the day you were supposed to be on is the day that I got hit with will, like, go down in history as one of the craziest weekends of my life. The norovirus, which, if you don't know the norovirus, like, consider yourself so lucky, but just know it's coming for you. It's the annual stomach bug. And I feel like that particular year it was really crazy. It hit my household in such a sort of crazy way because, like, we were really drunk on Saturday night. And then Sunday, Ben woke up being like, I'm sick. I'm like, well, you just hung over. And Ben loves to say that, like, he's sick when he's just hungover and he's like, crapping his pants. And I'm like. And I'm like, how much did you drink? And I really did not believe that he was sick until Monday morning when it hit me was that.

[B]

Were we doing it on a Monday, maybe?

[A]

Well, I know I did the show Monday morning and I got home and I fell asleep and I'm like, why am I falling asleep in the middle of the day? I'm not feeling right. And by that afternoon, like, I, like, had taken up permanent residence in the bathroom. And then Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday was like you and a couple of co hosts. And so I've been meaning to get you back on ever since that day, but honestly, I feel triggered by your presence because it just reminds me of that horrible, like, 72 hour bug that I had. I feel healed enough and I'm so glad you're here.

[B]

I'm here to rewrite your story. Your norovirus story.

[A]

Let's rewrite history. Her.

[B]

Her story.

[A]

You're here on a perfect day. We need to talk about the CMA Awards. And you're a country gal.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You're a podcaster. And what I've learned. I love to have different guests from different backgrounds, but it's so much better to podcast with somebody who podcasts for a living, because it's just. It's an art, you know?

[B]

No. And I. I really wanted to come here and make your job as easy as possible, because I know that feeling. Like, Brooke and I do not have guests on a lot because we just, like, it literally gives us a pit. But maybe at some point when we're having babies, like, we'll have to do this.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

But it makes me so anxious. Like, I actually hate it. So I was like to make Claudia not hate her job today.

[A]

I absolutely love that.

[B]

I'm here for that.

[A]

I actually wanted to have you on because I said this to Margo, like, a couple of weeks ago, and she was shocked. I said, margot, do you know, like, Danielle, Caroline is my comfort creator?

[B]

What?

[A]

I watch everything, and I've always followed you because you came on the toast and, like, you're friends with Margo, and, like, I followed you in a personal way. And I have come to, like, seriously sit back and just enjoy your content so much. I know you work really hard on it, so I just wanted you to know, like, I'm watching, and I'm always buying your shit.

[B]

Especially you text me a lot for this.

[A]

I'm like, where's that dresser from? I literally bought your dresser. And obviously, I'm not buying a lot of clothes right now because I'm just, like, sort of in, like, a precarious, you know, like, we're in between situation. But, like, when I was skinny, I was, like, always, like, Margot asking. Yeah. Where she got that? Like, I'm.

[B]

Are you calling me skinny? Like, no.

[A]

You're literally so skinny. I'm always buying your stuff. Like, I'm loving your content, I have to say. Like, I just wanted to bring you on to let the toasters know if you're in desperate need of a new comfort creator. That's what the kids say. Comfort creator.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm always watching your shit. And I've been loving your new series where you show all the, like, because you do a lot of, like, get ready with me a lot of day in the life, Go to bed with me, wake up with me. And I think a lot of people wonder. It's like, well, where you got out of bed to set up the camera, and now you're getting out of bed, and you're like, yep, I got out of bed. And you show us, literally, you setting up the camera, you getting in bed to get out of bed. And it's some of my favorite content. It's so real.

[B]

Danielle, thank you. And it's so funny because when I filmed those, I didn't know I'd eventually be showing them. Of course, they're cuter, the bloopers. But it's so funny. I was getting comments like, wait, so this is a lie? I'm like, do you fucking think I'm going to bed with the camera on?

[A]

That would be insane and, like, kind of weird and a waste of energy.

[B]

A waste of energy. That's so weird. So thank you so much. I was just like, I just have all these clips.

[A]

So funny. I love it. And you went on a Disney cruise.

[B]

I went on a Disney cruise. And I'm actually so funny because initially I was going to come on, like, a little bit ago, and it was going to be after the cruise, and.

[A]

I was like, I did have to dine. El has been so flexible. I did have to move because Jackie went, you know, one week past her due date, and I had to cancel a couple of people. So I appreciate you being.

[B]

No, I was actually happy because I feel very, like, ready today where I was good. I was coming off of, like, a Disney cruise, which I would just love. You would never do a cruise.

[A]

So I've never been on a cruise. Although I do feel as though cruises are tailored to my specific interests. Like, I know it's a lot of buffets. I know it's a lot of casinos. I know it's a lot of swimming. I fucking love to swim.

[B]

You love to swim.

[A]

I just don't know if I would, like, enjoy being in a vessel with so many other people.

[B]

You know, I really can't see you, like, just knowing, like, I know you and then I know Margo so well. Like, I feel like you guys. Brooke and I have this phrase, like, team go. Like, I feel like you guys are team go. Like, as soon as you're. It's time to leave an event, like, you're ready to go.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You couldn't leave the boat, by the way.

[A]

That's an amazing call. I love that. Team go. Yeah. Brooke Steele, Team go. I. I will leave a place, like, when I'm done. Ben always says, like, when I'm done, I'm fucking done. That applies to an event it applies to a person. It applies to a TV show. Like, when I decide I'm done with something, like, you will never see me again. But it does take me a while to get done, you know?

[B]

Yeah, no, of course you're polite.

[A]

Yes. I'm Team Go.

[B]

I love that you're Team Go. And I just feel like. Cause Brooke is very Team Go. And I feel like there were times, even on the cruise, she's like, oh, my God.

[A]

It's limiting, even though it's huge. So I've never been on a cruise, but I think I would be shocked at the vastness, like, the bigness of it and what makes a Disney cruise different. And this is not sponsored anything.

[B]

I just know I wasn't sponsored. No, no. I just really went for fun.

[A]

I feel like it was, like, a great commercial because I was like, oh, like, that looks nice.

[B]

I would go back with kids, like, bring Ruby one. Oh, my God. It would be so cute.

[A]

Oh, my God. Like, I don't think I could do it, honestly. It's hard enough having a kid on land.

[B]

Like, oh, well, yes. In that sense, yes. But, oh, my God, like, it is so cute. Like, imagine, like, being at Disney World, which you've been, I think. Yeah. And then you go and you're on a cruise, and they're playing the soundtracks in the bathroom.

[A]

Yeah. Well, if you love Disney, like. Yeah, but I don't, like, love Disney. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. By the way, are you dating Disney adults? I am not one.

[A]

Okay. Your content was giving Disney adults. I just want to let you know. I know. That's so cute. I think she, like, loves Disney.

[B]

No, I. I just. When I think Disney adult, like. Like, I'm getting messages from people like, what do the carpets look like on decade? Oh, you know, like, I'm not there.

[A]

Yeah, right, right.

[B]

You know what I mean? But I do. I love Disney. I've gone every year with my family in December because it's very, like, magic.

[A]

And you're from Florida.

[B]

I'm from Florida from Tampa, Florida.

[A]

Excuse me.

[B]

Florida.

[A]

Florida.

[B]

Florida.

[A]

How do you say the fruit? O, R A N G, E. Orange, orange, orange. And then this is sparkling.

[B]

Water, water, water, water. I love y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

Y' all's accents.

[A]

I love, like, the y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Why did you decide to go to uga?

[B]

Because I wanted out of Florida, which is so crazy, because now I'm like, I want to move back, like, one day, not tomorrow. Like, I. I feel like I will wake up one day and be like, I'm done.

[A]

I'm going home.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I'm going home.

[A]

I.

[B]

But no, I really wanted seasons I never saw leave.

[A]

Yeah, no, I will tell you because, like, my sisters moved to Florida and, like, there's so many things about their life that, like, is better. Yeah. But they don't have the seasons. And I'm telling you, the seasons are everything.

[B]

They're everything. It's just everything's more magical. Like Central Park. Like, I am. So you probably see so my content. You're like, this girl is so obsessed with, like, romanticizing.

[A]

I do too, because I'm from the city, but I'm always, like, going to Central park and shit. Like, the corny thing is corny for a reason.

[B]

Right? Like, it's good for a reason. Especially this time of year. Like, January, February.

[A]

I'm trying to be tough. Agreed. Ooh.

[B]

Like, I need to be in Florida.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Florida.

[A]

Florida.

[B]

Florida.

[A]

How does Taylor say it in the song? Florida, Florida.

[B]

And now, like, wherever I go, I'm like, I'm going to Chicago. Chicago.

[A]

That's funny.

[B]

I'm annoying.

[A]

You're a big swiftie.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, not as big as, like, I feel like I can.

[A]

You, like, enjoy her music?

[B]

I very much. Like, I went to four ERAS tours.

[A]

Like, I'm there.

[B]

Like, I just. Oh, my God, I'm so excited for a documentary.

[A]

Let me ask the question about, like, because you're an influencer and you do a lot of stuff, like, for work. How many of the ERAS tours did you go to that were free and how many did you pay for?

[B]

I paid for all of them.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I was invited to go. I think you went to the Tangle Teaser.

[A]

I did.

[B]

I was out of town.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And then I was also invited by lacroix to go in Miami, but I. I had already been to four or three, and I was like, I think I'll get hate. So I didn't go.

[A]

Yeah, right. Remember when people were, like, getting hate for how many concerts they went to? The Internet is seriously the worst place on the planet. I went to four ERAS tours, three of which I paid for my own one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like you paid and. Yeah, of course. And then, like, it was. It was in New York. She did three shows in New York. I was going to one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then they were like, do you want to go to the one the night? So I'm like, yeah, I wasn't going to pay for the same.

[B]

Why not?

[A]

And let me tell you, the one that was sponsored was probably, like, 45 times less fun.

[B]

I heard this.

[A]

Yeah. Like, it's not all it's cracked up to be. It's a free concert for sure. But like, now let me ask you another question because you've been doing like the Internet game for so long. So long. And what was your first, like when you first started making money? Was it blogging or was it Instagram?

[B]

It was YouTube. YouTube's like my main. Was. Is my main platform. So I was getting like, interesting. I was getting paid like $500 to post like a random necklace.

[A]

Right, right, right. And so now, like that, the landscape has changed. Where do you make most of your money? Is a tick tock or Instagram? Yeah.

[B]

Are you the same? For me, podcasting.

[A]

Podcasting is like. And you also podcast too. So for me, like, podcast is the mothership.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it feeds everything else.

[B]

Yeah. That's cute.

[A]

And like, so when I wake up, like, I have to feed the podcast and that. That will do everything else.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, true.

[A]

Like, what would you consider your full time job?

[B]

I do need to feed the YouTube, but I only post once a week.

[A]

But where's Instagram? Every day?

[B]

Instagram. I would if I. Oh, that's so scary. YouTube. Mothership.

[A]

Yeah. How many subscribers you have on YouTube?

[B]

500,000. Ish.

[A]

Slay. That's a lot.

[B]

Thank you. But like, not growing, like, it's just.

[A]

It's answer though. I feel like, I feel like this era, like nobody grows, like, except for tick tock. Like, the platforms are sort of established.

[B]

Do you feel like, I mean, you probably talk about this all the time, but just like, you know, even five years ago, saying you're an influencer now, like, now I feel so much more comfortable, like, saying it.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like I talk about this, right? I talk about this all the time. How, like the word influencer has become sort of like a hot button word.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

And nobody wants to be an influencer now they say, like, I'm a content creator and it's like, well, it's only because, like, I just won't get on board with that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, okay, yeah, there are bad influencers. Like, there are bad accountants. Like, who gives a fuck? And I feel like everybody's just like, so quick to jump on the hater influencer bandwagon when it's like a job that's dominated by women. Like, they would never say that, like, about firefighters.

[B]

You know, they would literally never say it about firefighters.

[A]

Now I know firefighters, like, save people's lives, so that's not a good analogy. But you don't need it.

[B]

You're putting on fires. Like, hey, you need fashion emergency.

[A]

Right? I just, like, hate that I don't consider myself an influencer these days. I really consider myself a podcaster.

[B]

Yeah, I try to say that.

[A]

Yeah. I just. But I don't. Like, like the influencer. Hater.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

You know what I mean.

[B]

I used to say I'm a YouTuber because, like, influencer isn't a word.

[A]

Right, right, right.

[B]

Like, I feel like when I came on the Toast, I wonder what I said.

[A]

Probably, I don't know.

[B]

YouTuber, Instagram.

[A]

I consider you, like, a true content creator because you make content on all platforms.

[B]

Content creator.

[A]

And today your co host.

[B]

I am my official inaugural co host moment.

[A]

Now. It's a great day because I do want to talk about the CMA Awards. So, Danielle Carolan, I have a question for you.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Are you ready for the Fast Five?

[B]

Yes, I am.

[A]

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[B]

No, it's. I thought like, oh, we're gonna make her host and then she just won't win anything.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is that crazy to think so?

[A]

I know everybody's so sick of me. Like, after every award show, I come out on here and I give a speech about how I'm literally the biggest Lady Wilson fan ever. But she doesn't deserve great. She doesn't deserve half the awards that she gets. And I feel like country has like, a real issue with, like, women and not giving women, like, the credit they deserve. Like, for so many years, it was like Miranda Lambert and Carrie Underwood nominated every year. They never gave it to them. So I feel like they're trying to, like, undo all of that by just like randomly giving it to Lady Wilson. And they sort of like refuse to give Luke Combs or Morgan Wallen an award every year. It's like Literally every year. Especially Morgan Wallen. And, like, you could say what you want. So don't nominate him. Like, was he there? I don't think so.

[B]

They don't show him.

[A]

I know. And so, like, I think because he's problematic, they don't want to give him awards, and that's fine. But then they really shouldn't nominate him. They shouldn't because, like, he released an album this year. He did a stadium tour. Like, he's obviously the entertainer of the year. And I love Luke Combs, and I feel like some years are his years.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But, like, it was Morgan Volunteer.

[B]

It totally was, like, that 20 cigarettes song. Like.

[A]

How viral all of his songs. Like, it's just annoying. So I just hate when people, like, aren't. Aren't honest.

[B]

No. And, like, they choose when they want to, like, be a good Samaritan.

[A]

Agree.

[B]

That's where, like, it's just. It just doesn't make sense.

[A]

That's how I felt last year about Shibuzi. Whereas, like, they also have a problem with diversity. And so, like, here is a black artist who, like, literally was the song of the year. Bar song.

[B]

So good.

[A]

And, like, going out of your way to not give it to Shibuzi when it was so clear that he should have been. I think it was like, new artist. And it's like, okay, well, now. Now I'm feeling like you're racist. Honestly.

[B]

Yeah. Now it's feeling opposite of what you're trying to do.

[A]

So, like, I don't understand their thought process on so many. And I know, like, country artists talk all the time about how it's so political and, like, you have to do this and you. And that's why, like, Lainey Wilson was hosting. Like, you have. So I just don't like that because it should be a meritocracy. Like, who was the best song? What was the best person?

[B]

No, I know, and it was interesting. I don't know if this was about Lainey Wilson. When she was expect accepting, like, her second award of the night, she said something like, and for all of you women eating cheetos at home, stop pitting people against each other. Women. She said women against each other.

[A]

So I'm like, shit, okay, well, maybe she's talking to us, but I don't know.

[B]

No, but we're not pitting women against each other. No.

[A]

We're just pitting women against. Against the men.

[B]

No, but I'm wondering if that, like, what that's about. I mean, is it about overtime?

[A]

Yeah, maybe it is. But, like, because there is, like, a lot of. Everybody has something to say when she wins. And I think if any of the other people had won, like, I mean, I personally would have had nothing to say if Luke Combs won, if Chris Stapleton won, if Morgan Wallen won. I'm not, like, a huge Cody Johnson fan, but, like, Cody Simpson.

[B]

You mean Cody Simpson.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not a huge Cody Simpson fan.

[B]

I'll never forget that.

[A]

I'm having literally ptsd. It was so funny, like, But I understand the hype. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So I guess, like, am I. Am I the problem? Because I only have a problem with the woman.

[B]

No, it's so funny. I literally text Margo immediately because sweet Margo was at the cma.

[A]

Yes. Margot. Shout out to our sister, Margot.

[B]

Sister for crushing.

[A]

She interviewed. She was on the red carpet. She was interviewed.

[B]

She looked sick.

[A]

Shout out Satchel.

[B]

I had no idea she was, like, doing all those interviews to do.

[A]

I literally called her yesterday when she was, like, walking into the awards. I'm like, where are you and what are you doing?

[B]

Yeah, What?

[A]

She's like, I'm at the CMA's. I told you I was going to Nashville. I'm like, you didn't tell me you were going to the CMA's. Hosting a red carpet.

[B]

No, she did not.

[A]

Not her. Making a TikTok with Jordan Davis.

[B]

George Davis. Forgetting all these other names.

[A]

Like, I was shook.

[B]

Yes, that's who it was.

[A]

Dustin Lynch.

[B]

It was. I was really excited for her. But I texted her immediately. Like, she was still, like, in the award show. She FaceTimed me as she's walking out. She was like, I'm so fucking pissed because I texted her, like, not, like, sweeping. Yeah, yeah. And again, it's like, obviously love Luke, but, like, like, you said, it didn't have to be Luke. Like, no. And I'm not.

[A]

I'm not. This type of person is mad because, like, my artist didn't win. Like, I can understand if Chris Stapleton had won. I can understand if Morgan Wallen had won. But, like, seriously, what is. And. And it's like, I hate saying it because. And I know this is so repetitive and I apologize, but, like, she is wonderful. Like, And I actually thought her performance last night was sick.

[B]

No, I love her music.

[A]

Hang tight, Honey is one of my favorite songs. Like, she's killer. So I actually feel like giving her these types of awards, like, takes away from that because now it's just giving, like, checked box.

[B]

And also, she was a great host. Like, can she just be the host?

[A]

Agreed. She was great. Loved her outfits.

[B]

The montage in the beginning where she sang with all the artists.

[A]

Love.

[B]

That was incredible. Incredible.

[A]

But, like, now. Now it's giving.

[B]

Like, I think she feels it too. Like, I would be like, fuck, yeah.

[A]

Like, please don't give it to me. No, I.

[B]

Seriously, I. She must be feeling that way right now.

[A]

Single of the year. The nominees were 4 by 4 by youy, by, of course, Lainey Wilson.

[B]

Great.

[A]

811 Oklahoma by Luke Combs. Am I okay? By Meg Maroney. I Never Lie by Zach Topp. You look like youe Love Me by Ella Langley and Riley Greene. And that was the winner. And I agreed that absolutely should have won. It is so.

[B]

It's my comfort song now.

[A]

I ship these two so hard. And I know that there's a very sordid past between them. Like, I believe they, like, hooking up when the song was being written.

[B]

Had to have.

[A]

And he's just, like, major fuck boy. And then Sachi was explaining to me that, like, he was spotted after his romance with Ella Langley. With Megan Maroney.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And which is just crazy because Megan Maroney and Ella were friends.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Which is, like, kind of not cool of Megan. And now he's, like, dating some, like, you know, Instagram model. He just is, like, he's exactly what you think he's gonna do. There's, like, this really handsome young Southern guy who gets famous.

[B]

Like, no, for sure. Like, he's incredible. It was also so funny when they. They won, like, two awards last night.

[A]

So I was like. And I think that they hate.

[B]

No, they were hugging awkwardly. Like, oh, my God. It was just awkward. Megan's there.

[A]

Despise each other.

[B]

I also do feel like Megan is, like, a really kind person. So I feel like there was just, like, a little mix up.

[A]

Yeah, maybe it was just, like, a little bit of confusion.

[B]

Wait, do you know Megan went to Georgia? She was in my sorority.

[A]

You're kidding. What sorority were you in?

[B]

Kappa Delta.

[A]

And you guys have, like, a hand sign. Yeah. What is it?

[B]

I'm sure when you went to Georgia.

[A]

That'S not a sign.

[B]

It's K and D. But, like, the triangle has to connect.

[A]

Is that it? Like, I don't have nerves in my left thumb.

[B]

It's a whole thing.

[A]

I can't, like, move my left hand.

[B]

You had to be there.

[A]

Yeah. Right. So just good for you. Like, seriously, I'm a toast, you know?

[B]

Yeah. I love it. Well, thank you for trying.

[A]

Album of the year, Megan Maroney's. Am I okay? Cold beer and country music. Zach Top F1 trillion by Post Malone. My album of the Year, I'm the problem. Morgan Wallen. And then the winner, Lainey Wilson's Whirlwind. Like, seriously, just stop. Like it. Like, for me, I think we all have our own albums of the year. Mine was personally F1 trillion, I think.

[B]

Do you think you should have won?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, that's fair.

[A]

I'm reasonable enough to admit, like, just because it's my choice doesn't. I mean, I'm the problem by Morgan Wallen was obviously the album of the year, but not according to these people.

[B]

No, it's. That one was. I didn't even know the name of her album this year. I'm not even going to lie.

[A]

Song of the Year, which I don't know how it's different from Record of the Year was also you look like youe Love Me by Green. And then Female Vocalist of the Year went to, shockingly, Lainey Wilson, Kelsey Ballerini, Miranda Lambert, Ella Langley, Megan Maroney and Lainey Wilson were all the nominees. Now, in terms of that group, I actually feel like that's a good she. Yeah. Pop off.

[B]

I wanted Ella Langley. I'm in an Ella Langley.

[A]

Yeah, right. Me too.

[B]

Or Megan. Was Megan Rooney.

[A]

Yes, yes. But, like, I don't disagree with her winning. Do you know what I mean? Fair.

[B]

Because vocalists is just like, literally their vocals.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I don't understand some of these.

[A]

So then you go to Male Vocalist of the Year, and it's like, okay, well, there's Female Vocalist of the Year and Male Vocalist of the Year. And then those two winners, like, who's better? And that's the Entertainer of the Year, right?

[B]

Yeah. It's like, so that's giving away.

[A]

So Male Vocalist went to Cody Johnson. The nominees were Luke Combs, Cody Johnson, Chris Stapleton, Zach Topp, and Morgan Wallen. Like, okay, I don't know how you don't give it to Morgan Wallen or Luke Combs. Like, sorry, they're the biggest artists in the world. They play the same stadium sizes as Beyonce. Say, as Ed Sheeran, as Taylor Swift. Like, what are we talking about?

[B]

It literally makes no sense. I, like, actually felt so bad for Luke because l goes to all the shows.

[A]

I know. And he always shows up. He's such a good sport. He does his performance. Like, seriously, she's pregnant with bangs. Like, it's disgusting.

[B]

She's pregnant with bangs. That's hard to pull off.

[A]

She posted on her story. I think maybe it was on her close friend story. Sorry, Nico. To, like, be putting that there. She was like, I'm thinking of cutting bangs for the CMAs. And I literally responded to her, and I said, don't you dare. And she was like, really? I think I'm gonna do it. I'm like, oh, yikes. Okay.

[B]

Awkward.

[A]

I was so wrong. I just want to put it out there. They weren't okay. I thought there was gonna be, like, fringe bangs.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. No, it was, like.

[A]

It was side bangs, which I got side bangs when I was in the seventh grade, like, right before my Bat Mitzvah. I can tell you, I don't think I've ever been happier in my whole life. Like, what I thought, you know how, like, you think your haircut's gonna do something for you, and then it doesn't. Yeah, it did exactly what I thought it was gonna do. And I was so skinny in my Bat Mitzvah, I had, like, the tiniest arm.

[B]

What was your theme?

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

Sorry. This is, like, a whole look.

[A]

It's kind of like a trauma. I've talked about it extensively on the Patreon. Cause everybody does, like, kind of, like, similar themes. There's, like, kind of corny ones. Everybody's like, Broadway or Candy Bar. Margo's was Candy Bar.

[B]

Like, that's cute.

[A]

And I don't know why, with my bot Mitchell, like, we went, like, more abstract. It's not something that, like. It's not a theme. Do you know what I mean? Like, people do, like, movies, Hollywood, sports. Like, I can't explain it. Like, my theme was colors, which is not a theme. And it was, like, all branded. Like, Color Me Claudia.

[B]

Oh, okay. Color Me Claudia was the theme.

[A]

Yeah, but, like, colors.

[B]

Saying colors is, like, random, but Color Me Claudia.

[A]

It was, like a pride event. Honestly, it was so weird.

[B]

You were. From day one.

[A]

And I liked. I felt like we had the idea, like, when we were doing the planning meetings with the party planner, and, like, somebody mentioned it, and, like, we just ran with it, and it was like. And I didn't like it from the second, and, like, I was just too afraid to say something, and, like, it got. It just went off the rails, and everybody was, like, loving. And I was like, okay, I guess we're, like, fucking around, doing colors.

[B]

Like, what did you wear? Like, a colorful.

[A]

I wore a yellow dress, actually. It was ysl. Like, a sleigh.

[B]

Ysl. And how old are you when you.

[A]

So let me tell you. So we went to. Oh, you're from Florida. Do you Know Neiman Marcus. Last call at Sawgrass Mall. It's literally, like, the most insane. You have to, like, rifle through racks and racks and racks. But it's, like, designer stuff. Like, it's almost like kind of like a TJ Maxx. So we found this $1,500 YSL dress for $50. Okay.

[B]

I would like that, too.

[A]

Yeah, we still have it. Like, it was iconic.

[B]

Oh, I need to keep it.

[A]

And then Vocal Band Group of the Year. For the first time ever, Old Dominion did not win the Red Clay Strays. They're like, this new band. I never heard of them until last night. Really? I had no idea.

[B]

You've heard them because people are using their sounds on, like, Instagram. Like, I, for one, recently. Like, it's really calming. Good, chill vibes.

[A]

Okay. I mean, I liked their performance. I had no problem with it. Although I was really happy that Rascal Flats was nominated. And I feel like if they ever had a chance to win, it would have been this year when they did their, like, revamped album. They did their tour. So I was rooting for them.

[B]

I was wondering if they'd win just for you.

[A]

You're right. The rest of the awards, I don't really care about. I'm all sad to say. Like, I'm just like, the Country Awards haven't been doing it for me recently, because they're just lying.

[B]

No, I know. It was better, though. I actually went to the ACM Awards, which was really, really fun. But I feel like. Like, the awards are, like, really heavy hitting at CMAs. Like.

[A]

Yeah. So, okay. Compared to, like, pop music.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which are, like, the Grammys, the ACMS or the CMAs.

[B]

I've heard it's the CMAs. Even though AC.

[A]

Please.

[B]

I want to go back.

[A]

I think it's the CMAs, too.

[B]

I think it's the CMAs. Like, I think Margo, like, told me that. I was like.

[A]

I think Mar told me that, too.

[B]

She's like, well, CMAs are, like, kind of like the Grammys.

[A]

I forget which ones I've been to. I think I've been to both. They literally do a car. We've done the Toast Carpet, which is so much fun. I think that was cma.

[B]

So cool.

[A]

And then it just went to something in Dallas, which I think was the ACS.

[B]

ACMs are in Dallas.

[A]

Oh, okay. Okay. Right outside of Dallas.

[B]

Yeah. Like a Frisco.

[A]

Frisco. I was gonna say Fresno. Yeah, Fresno. Okay, next up. I wanted to talk about this with you. We talked about it. Last week, like, Shay Mitchell launching this, like, skincare line for kids. And there was a lot of, you know, backlash. She went on the Today show and Jenna Mishager was peppering her with, like, kind of.

[B]

She was.

[A]

She was being. It's not like, an investigative show, and I feel like it's kind of soft. Usually you go on and, like, talk about, like, your garden. So I was shook to see her kind of hammering the point. And Shay Mitchell had amazing answers, and it kind of made me change my opinion on it. What I had said last week was that, like, you know, skincare for kids, while it's nice because kids are gonna use skincare, might as well give them something safe. I just, like, I don't hate Shay Mitchell. I hate the world, you know, I hate that, like, this is what kids are into.

[B]

I heard you say this, and I actually. I think it's fine. Like, I. I was in for it, so. But you've changed your mind now.

[A]

My thesis is I don'. Like, their kids doing crack, like, for real. Put on your skincare mask. Like, I'll survive. And hearing her talk about it, like, Jenna Butch was, like, kind of peppering her, and Shay was just, like, very light about the whole thing. I'm like, yeah, like, seriously, who gives a fuck? And, like, no, kids are into skincare, and kids always copy their parents. And I think about the toys we had growing up. We had, like, fake makeup palettes. Some of them even had, like, real gloss, which was like, Vaseline or whatever. But, like, it's always been a thing.

[B]

Always been a thing. And, like, this is better than makeup, in my opinion. It's not Drunk elephant.

[A]

Do you remember? Right, that's exactly what I was gonna say. Do you remember on TikTok, like, a year or two ago, all these kids were going viral for their drunk elephant skincare? And then all these estheticians were, like, the ingredients. Drunk elephant. While the packaging looks like it's for kids, it's actually really advanced, harsh things. So you know what? Like, I don't give a fuck.

[B]

No, even I don't use a lot of drunk elephant because it's, like, really, like, concentrated, right?

[A]

No, it's like it's real ingredients. It's not just crap. Oh, it's terrifying to me. This feels like Claire's. I feel like if Claire's was still open, they would sell fake face masks with, like, panda eyes and, like, ears.

[B]

They would totally do that.

[A]

I don't give a fuck.

[B]

I'm here for it. I think it's the Cutest thing. I actually feel so bad that she was getting so much hate.

[A]

I know.

[B]

But, like, here we are. She crushed it on her interview.

[A]

Although one of the points she made I didn't really agree with.

[B]

Okay, what was it?

[A]

She was basically like that babies. You know, we do skincare from birth.

[B]

Skincare from birth.

[A]

And it's true. Babies love massages. And you are supposed to keep their skins, like, super. Like, we're always lathering Oscar Baby Johnson and Johnson. Like, but that's, like, for, like, medicinal reasons. And you don't do that forever. You just do it, like, while they're a baby. Okay.

[B]

Cause I was just like, that's weird.

[A]

No, that was just, like, a bit of a stretch. I agree with all of her points. I'm like, all right, calm down, calm down. That one's a little. She looks very pretty, though, Honestly.

[B]

She made me want to do a pony.

[A]

She made me want to buy her skincare. Her skin looks insane.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

So, okay. Jenna Bush Hager. Jenna Bush Hager's making a lot of news recently.

[B]

I saw the Minky Kelly.

[A]

That video was weird.

[B]

She's getting someone at. Is it abc? Yeah, someone's telling her to go in NBC. Sorry. They're telling her.

[A]

Then I saw Minky Kelly, I think yesterday. It was on the Drew Barrymore show talking exclusively about her boyfriend.

[B]

That is so fucking annoying.

[A]

So maybe she. I would be pissed. Oh, my. Wait. I just figured out who you look like. Like, and it's a compliment. Normally, I. I don't like telling people.

[B]

I only get told one person, so I'm curious.

[A]

Grace Van Patten from Tell me Lies?

[B]

No, I'm obsessed.

[A]

You talk like her, too. Who do you get told?

[B]

Ariana Madx.

[A]

Oh, when my hair's, like, 1,000% Ariana Matic, which is also a compliment.

[B]

No, I'll take it, but love.

[A]

Oh, Ariana Addicts. Yeah, that's. That's maybe better than mine. Mine is also, like, you look like her, but a lot of your mannerisms, too, I think. Like, your tone of voice.

[B]

Like, more like low.

[A]

Yeah. Like monotone a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I.

[B]

Thank you, Claudia. I'm the same. I, like, have to stop myself from telling people cause they get offended.

[A]

That's why I always say, who do people tell you you look like? That's one of my favorite questions. I do love the celebrity doppelganger game, although it's a minefield.

[B]

Who is your. Who do people tell you? I was skinny Victoria Fuller.

[A]

Yeah, of course. When I'm skinny Victoria Fuller. It depends on my weight. When I was in high school, I got told all the time that I looked like Snooki.

[B]

Oh, my God. And Joey must love that.

[A]

Well, I got told I looked like Snooki because, you know, when Snooki was.

[B]

Filming, you do I see it in the face.

[A]

When Snooki was filming Jersey Shore, she was chubby. And then, like, halfway through the journey, she, like, went on a crazy weight loss run and got so skinn. When she got skinny, nobody told me I looked like Snooki anymore, which was just hurtful. And then as I grew up, I get Victoria Fuller. When I'm heavier, I get Beanie Feldstein, which I don't love. I can't lie. I don't get any ones that, like, are complimentary. And I've also gotten Ricky Lake. Like, seriously, just kill me.

[B]

Not you saying heavier. I was dying at Jared Freed's thing.

[A]

I'm the problem. Not me saying heavy.

[B]

Heavy. It is so true that one cuts like, that's tough.

[A]

This dick story broke my heart. Khloe Kardashian, like, told this horrible story, and I feel like when it comes to Lamar Odom and, like, us looking back on that relationship, I feel like he gets a very, like, positive retelling.

[B]

We all look back on. Sympathetic.

[A]

Yes. We look back on it harduliciously, if you will.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

And it's like, not. And things like this remind us of that. So. She had some particularly challenging moments in her marriage to Lamar Odom. And on her podcast, she shared for the first time that Lamar Odom burned all of her journals, which were memorializing years of her life. And he burned them in front of her while. While they were together. Odom was, quote, convinced that I was taking notes and sending them to the government or something. Crazy. That is so sad. I don't journal. Do you?

[B]

No.

[A]

But I know, like, you put your whole heart into it, and then it's. You're doing it, obviously, because it feels good. But I think people really do it so that, you know, 20, 30 years later, you can go back and read, like, what you were going through to burn someone's journal. Like, I can't think of anything more evil, honestly. And I know that at the time, he was. It says he was paranoid. He was obviously on drugs and, like, you're not yourself and you're, like, in this. But seriously, like, that's. And that's not something. You can, like, break someone's jewelry and, like, buy them a new one. You can't this is so evil.

[B]

Like, it's literally a movie scene.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like the fire.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Flaming.

[A]

Yes. When you think of, like, the, like, seriously, like, something so mean.

[B]

No. And it actually. You're so right. They are giving him this, like, sympathetic edit or empathetic whatever.

[A]

No, Both. And like, yeah, he was just on. And remember, she was, like, giving him his stuff back, and it was like, it's last week. Yes. Make it sweet.

[B]

And I was like, a.

[A]

And it's nice that they do that. I think they care about him. But, like, things like this remind me, like, it actually, like, no.

[B]

And now she doesn't journal anymore.

[A]

She said, stop. That's so sad.

[B]

She was like, I can't draw anymore because she probably thinks someone's gonna burn it. It's like, ptsd. That's really upsetting. I would also. That's just so vulnerable.

[A]

Sometimes we get, like, Dear Toaster submissions about people who read their partner's journals and they find out things that they obviously didn't want to hear. And, like, what do they do now that they have this information? And I just want to say I wanted to use this story as just a platform to remind someone. If you're thinking about reading someone's journal, like, don't fucking do it.

[B]

No, it's their internal thoughts. It's literally their intrusive thoughts.

[A]

I know. And it's like, it is crazy to, like, put your worst thoughts to paper.

[B]

No, I would literally never.

[A]

I think if I journaled, I would, like, lie to my journal. No.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I had a salad for lunch today, and I'm feeling really good. I would lie for sure. And I think some things, like, belong in your brain. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

100 sometimes every now and then, I lie to my therapist because I'm too embarrassed.

[A]

Do you?

[B]

Every now and then, like, a little fib.

[A]

Okay, interesting. Can you. You don't mind sharing, like, what's the last lie you told your therapist?

[B]

Like, that's a good question.

[A]

Do you do in person or zoom therapy?

[B]

Zoom. But, like, it won't be, like, something to make me sound better. Like, it wouldn't be like, you know, she said, like, I'm telling her everything. If there's, like, a situation, it's more like I feel like there's certain things I keep out because I'm like, eh, she doesn't need to know.

[A]

Okay, now let me ask you a question. When you talk to your therapist, and it's something that involves. And I feel like, do you talk a lot about like your job or.

[B]

Yeah, it just depends on the week. It's like, oh, it's like shitty comments.

[A]

How do you explain what you do for a living? Especially when you first started therapy?

[B]

No, it was definitely, like, scary because my last therapist was, like, older. Then she retired, she lost me.

[A]

She gave up on you.

[B]

But this therapist, she is, like, younger, so she kind of, like, knew it already, which was also kind of scary for me too.

[A]

Right. Did she follow you?

[B]

She didn't say. But then, like, she actually did say she saw me on someone else. Like, she. I was on her feet.

[A]

I was like, oh, that's so crazy. I always think about that. I don't do therapy. And anytime I've ever thought about, like, starting. Yeah, well, I would be like, well, how do I explain what I do for a living? Because most therapists. And I think I would. I would seek out an older therapist. That's just more my vibe.

[B]

You would like that.

[A]

And I think, like, I would just be confusing to them.

[B]

I think you think that, but it is so amazing.

[A]

I think they also don't care.

[B]

They. They seriously love here. Like, you would just feel 10 pounds lighter.

[A]

The thing is, I'm not anti therapy at all. I think it's amazing. I also think not. I think we got to a place where it was like, everyone needs therapy. Like, even if you're in the best place ever, like, therapy for everyone.

[B]

And it's expensive. Let's be real.

[A]

I don't think everyone needs therapy. I don't think that I need therapy.

[B]

No, it's. If you were thinking about it right then I think it's good.

[A]

Yeah, if you're thinking about it, you should do it. But I don't think. I think for a while I was like, well, if you didn't go to therapy, that's bad. It's not.

[B]

No. Oh, my God.

[A]

I don't think it's bad.

[B]

It's not true. If you have. You're also so close with your family and your sisters, you have that.

[A]

So what I always say is that I don't have a hard time communicating and identifying my own feelings. And I have. I'm very blessed that I have a lot of people in my life who I feel extremely comfortable, like, opening up, like, the worst parts of myself too. So I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that I am about not needing therapy.

[B]

No, I. I think you're in a good. It's more of like, if someone's ever thinking about it, I'm like, you should just try it.

[A]

Do it.

[B]

Yeah. Like, yeah.

[A]

So, well, total, like literally 180, but reminded me I wanted to talk to you about something, which reminded me. So what we're going to do, our next story is like a little bit of TikTok drama.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But we talked extensively on the toast about that whole New York influencers are boring thing.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What did you make of that? As a New York influencer? Influencer, did you think that person was talking about yourself?

[B]

No. Not at all.

[A]

Okay. I didn't think so either.

[B]

I didn't think because, like, the way they describe. I was like, no, it's not about me. I was like, I think I commented something people like, no, that's not about you. Like that.

[A]

Okay, well, that's what Jackie and I were saying. Like, but the funniest part of that whole New York influencer thing was people being like, this is mean. Like, how could you say that about me? It's like, well, we weren't talking about you.

[B]

Right. Yeah. I don't think I ended up saying it, but I was like, if I were to comment, like, I know someone would be like, girl, it's not you.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It actually made me so sad because I love those girls. Like, I love Bridget and Danielle and like, like, whoever, whoever they were, they were talking about, about it made me sad. I understand what people are thinking. I understand that they're like, you know, it's boring. It's not relatable to see someone wake up for Pilates and then go make a coffee, then don't walk.

[A]

Right. Right.

[B]

That's my opinion. Because I like, I'm like, wait, but I want to watch. Because when Bridget wasn't posting, I was like, I miss her content.

[A]

Right, Right. Like, that's the type of content you choose to consume.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like you felt the same. No.

[A]

Or what? I was enjoying watching, like, just the dumpster fire. Because that's just like, of course, when you're, like, entertaining, when you're involved, it is entertaining. I hate that. I thought that the girl who made the video, like, was clearly mean and jealous.

[B]

So jealous.

[A]

It's so funny. Like, I hate. I was just talking about this yesterday. When somebody makes a point and then you, like, attack the person who made the point, not the point that they made. It's like, you don't have anything to say. So I literally just did that. But, like, I just did think her video was really mean spirited. Like, she gave off, like, jealous wenchy energy.

[B]

She wanted the views.

[A]

Having said that, like, Yes, I heard what she was saying. It is like the same people doing the same thing.

[B]

Oh, it's so fair.

[A]

And the thing is, I follow all those girls. It's not for me. Like, that's not. I'm brunette and like, I just, like, I don't live there. Like, you know, I mean, but they're nice, well meaning girls. And it's like, well, just because you have a mean thought about like a. That's what I feel like TikTok is. So every time somebody thinks they have like a crazy thought, they like make a video on it. Sometimes they like give it a name. Be like the Influencer theory.

[B]

Where do you think you get the worst comments? Like, where are you the most same?

[A]

TikTok has an anti Semitism problem for sure. And it's so unregulated and it's so easy to make fake accounts. Instagram takes a lot of good precautions. Like if I block you, then they give you the.

[B]

The feature.

[A]

Block any other accounts that this person makes. They somehow know that like this person. And so much of the hate is anonymous. So I. Instagram is amazing. Like that.

[B]

Agree. TikTok. So scary. But some people say they hate Instagram. They think.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, I think it just depends. I think we have Instagram followers. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, we're a little bit more millennial. Well, me, sorry, how old are you?

[B]

I'm Gen z, technically, I'm 27.

[A]

Oh, that's amazing.

[B]

But I feel closer to millennials, if that makes sense.

[A]

Do you like being 27? How do you feel about your age?

[B]

I love being 27. I like it better than 27. 26. Interesting. I remember when I found out how old you are, I thought like, I was like, oh, we're closer in age than I thought.

[A]

How old did you think I was? Older or younger?

[B]

Well, this was like a while ago, but I thought you were like 30 when we met. Because you're so mature, very sophisticated.

[A]

I get that a lot.

[B]

Successful.

[A]

And I was very sweet.

[B]

It made me excited.

[A]

People tell me they think I'm old all the time. Like, I try not to be offended.

[B]

No, it's literally non. Like, people actually say that to me a lot too. I don't know.

[A]

I would have thought you were like, honestly 25.

[B]

Oh, you thought I was younger because.

[A]

I associate you with college.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. Very smart to align yourself with a youthful institution.

[B]

Go Zwugs. Go Zwugs. No, and I, I'm definitely one of those, like, I definitely ride too hard for Georgia sometimes. I get hate about it. But I don't care.

[A]

Are you wearing red today for any reason?

[B]

I like how I look on camera in red.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And go dogs.

[A]

Yes, that's a good reason.

[B]

And go dogs because we're hopefully going to SEC championship. Hopefully.

[A]

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[B]

Aw, yeah.

[A]

Anyone who is following the hair by crispy drama, we have to talk about it. Let's explain it from the beginning. So if you guys don't know, I mean, I've Known hair by Chrissy since the don't be tardy for the party days. Okay. She's like this. She's a hairdresser, but she's really, like a content creator.

[B]

She's a personality.

[A]

She used to do these, like, big. She reminds me of Jay Z Styles, Jesse Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. But she's based in Phoenix and she does, like, all this influencer hair, like, insane extensions, long curls with a long, like a big barrel curling iron. She used to do the Biermanns all the time. And I remember thinking it's so crazy that Ariana and Brielle would, like, fly from Atlanta to Arizona to get their hair done and then fly back like these girls, and then all these influencers would literally fly to get their hair done.

[B]

It's crazy.

[A]

She became like, a famous influencer herself. And she has this huge salon, and it's kind of this, like, very niche part of the Internet now. But I just want to say, like, if you watch Bravo in the early, like, you knew Chrissy's origins.

[B]

No, that makes sense. And I feel like she invented the Mormon curls.

[A]

Yes. So that came from her. When Jesse came on, I was like, oh, she was definitely studied from the hair by Chrissy school of hair, for sure. So then a couple of years ago, Chrissy's, like, always getting canceled. By the way, this is not Chrissy's first cancellation, but she is getting canceled because this girl made, like, a testimonial video being like, I got the hair by Chrissy. And you can go to her salon. She has, like, a ton of other stuff, stylists. But you can go to a salon and get, you know, your hair blown out, or you can pay extra to get it done by chrissy. Oh, it's $4,000. Just a cheap 4,000 for extensions. The whole yada. And by the extensions are very expensive. I don't know how much they cost because I don't have extensions. But I do know it's in the thousands the sew in, so you're paying more. But still in the realm of what I would, I imagine, like a hair by Chrissy, like, full head cost maybe like 2000.

[B]

Yeah. Did you see there was a price breakdown?

[A]

Oh, was there?

[B]

So it was like 2900 for Chrissy service, and then it was like 50 for the conditioner.

[A]

Oh, I did see that. That's really crazy to charge for conditioner.

[B]

That's insane.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because, you know, they're probably getting, like, gifting from.

[A]

And I just want to say I believe it was Mil Bond conditioner, which is.

[B]

It was.

[A]

It was mil bond, which is what I use. And that made me feel good. Yeah.

[B]

Like, fuck yeah.

[A]

So this girl made a video being like, I got the 4K, $4,000 hair by Chrissy Experience. It was horrible. I never saw Chrissy. She barely touched my hair. And the thing is, if you're gonna make, like, a hate video about Chrissy, it's gonna take off the Internet, especially TikTok. Like, they hate this woman Chrissy. They start calling her Hair by Crispy because all the hair looks, like, fried and crispy, which unfortunately, like, I hate when somebody slays with a mean nickname. Like, but that was a slay Good. Unfortunately, now the video has 30 million views of her. Like, I'm telling you, people are obsessed with Hair by Chrissy. And now it started this whole back and forth between Chrissy. Chrissy's trying to prove her, you know.

[B]

You know, she's definitely, like, bouncing back. Like, she's trying to bounce back. I'm like, what are we doing?

[A]

I'm telling you, Hair by Crispy is like a little cockroach. You cannot. She would survive nuclear war. I'm telling you. You think, like, you're going to cancel Hair by Chrissy? You're not. She has survived worse than this, and she will survive. I'm telling you, people love your hair.

[B]

No, And I do have mad respect for that.

[A]

Have you ever gotten your hair done by Chrissy?

[B]

No, but she DMed me in 2018 because I saw her name. I was like, why do I.

[A]

She's been around forever.

[B]

Yes. It was probably around the time the Beermans were going to her when I was living in Georgia.

[A]

Oh, totally. You were like a dream clown.

[B]

That's what Brooke said. Brooke's like. She's like, perfect.

[A]

Yes. A young southern belle who needs extensions.

[B]

Yes. I was like, bleach blonde, but no extensions yet. She was ready to fry my hair. She messaged me. She kept going back and forth. I was looking at our messages. She offered to fly me out. Oh, I didn't do it. Because I was like, no.

[A]

I'm just like.

[B]

I mean, Athens. Yeah.

[A]

Like, it is kind of crazy to fly to get your hair done.

[B]

But I'm so glad I didn't, because who knows what trajectory I would have gone on.

[A]

Your life would have been so different, so different if you had gotten extensions by Chrissy.

[B]

So different. But I was kind of like, so.

[A]

I'm really cool, so I want to say something that I feel is not going to be popular, but that's what I do here.

[B]

That's what we do here.

[A]

While it's, you know, wrong that she paid for the Chrissy experience and got the Chrissy didn't get Chrissy and got charged for shampoo and conditioner. For sure, for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure. If you are a person who spends $4,000 on like an Internet hair experience and it doesn't go the way that you want.

[B]

Are you.

[A]

That's not shocking. Like, not that I'm saying that you deserve at all what happened to you, but like, I don't know, it's. It's hard. You're not a sympathetic victim to me. Like, if you were sort of, you paid that much and we need, we need to be smarter than that. Do you know what I mean? We all need to use the Internet is. It's easy to get swept up in. But like, I think a little personal accountability needs to be taken here.

[B]

100%.

[A]

Like, you knowingly paid $4,000 for like a hairstylist who you found on Tik Tok and like, who does influencers and like, has had many cancellations. Like, yeah, I'm sorry that that happened to you. But like, what lesson have you learned here today?

[B]

No, even like celebrity hairstylists, like, you know, here in the city, like I, you know, they charge like a thousand.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

So I'm like 4,000 smackaroon.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And now I guess, was she in Arizona or Cuz now she has other salons, apparently.

[A]

Oh, Chrissy.

[B]

Yeah, apparently. Someone.

[A]

Let me tell you something about Chrissy. She's a businesswoman.

[B]

Yeah. She's making merch.

[A]

Is she? Oh yeah, she's making hair in 4K merch.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Which I, she's trying to like, make a moment. I agree. She's trying to make like a moment off of this scandal. But you know what? She probably, she has experience. Like, while these scandals are like tough to go through, they ultimately do, you know, rising tides rise. All shines, as we like to say. Yes, all press is good press. We're talking about Chrissy on the toast. Like, I think she knows that while the only way out is through and you will come out kind of bigger and better.

[B]

I wonder if she's like in the comments or if like it's her team that's telling.

[A]

She's a lot of people who work for her.

[B]

No, I mean, I understand what the girl was saying about like, if there's 10 different people touching your hair, like the color is going to look different.

[A]

It's not going to be match yeah.

[B]

Which is crazy. But I feel like I would know going into the price I have. We've all been there. When you're at a store and you're going to buy something, you're like, oh my God, it's way more than I thought.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But with hair, I'm like, if it's four, they got to tell you before.

[A]

Yeah, Well, I imagine you said it was 2900.

[B]

2900 for the Chrissy service.

[A]

Right. Which is what she knowingly paid for. Now everything on top of that, like the shampoo, the conditioner, the tax, the tip, everything like that.

[B]

Oh, so yes, she knew about the 2900.

[A]

Hopefully she knew she was going to pay. Pay 3000. Yeah, minimum. She ended up paying for it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But she ended up paying four.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm just saying, like, I don't know, you're not a sympathetic victim to me if you're like getting Internet hair for $3,000. Yes. It ended up being four. But like. So you were paying three?

[B]

No, 100. I do. I need to go back and watch the video. Was she like being super negative or was she kind of like giving her experience?

[A]

No, no. Maybe the hate.

[B]

No, no, no, no, she was being negative. Yeah, she was like, I have to rewatch it.

[A]

Share my crispy, like, oh, so, so okay.

[B]

So she was asking for it because he was just like, here's my experience.

[A]

No, I actually heard the craziest video. Do you remember? I hate to like slander. Like this famous, famous LA facialist.

[B]

Oh, I see that video. Victoria with the serum.

[A]

Yes. You guys, you have to be really careful. She got like a permanent like 10 degree burn on her face from a serum that a facialist, like a famous LA facialist used on her. And then the facialist was like, oh, I'll fix it for you. So she went and micro needled the scar. The girl has a permanent scar on her face.

[B]

They charged her to fix it.

[A]

Yeah, it's right, right, right. She spent like $30,000 on this whole thing. It' shape of a pea on her cheek. It's like white.

[B]

Like you can see, it's like where she clearly put the drop. Like, oops, that's not right.

[A]

Insane.

[B]

I literally canceled my facial yesterday because I was like, I'm going on the toast and I don't want my chemicals.

[A]

No, these little things, like, you have to be really careful.

[B]

No, it actually terrified me and I, I've like gotten gifting from that brand before. Like, I've seen it all. Yeah, you too.

[A]

What type of extensions.

[B]

Do you have sew in hand hair extensions?

[A]

Do you mind discussing. Are you wearing them right now?

[B]

I. I don't mind at all. Very open. They're sewing extensions. They're from Covenant Main, and they are amazing. Like, my hair is not damaged, in my opinion. I do like, a boot. They're sewn. Yeah. I'm literally there every time I go, like, you know, you're like, I'm getting my extensions bumped up.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I don't do that. He takes them out every single time and puts them back in. So I am there for about six, seven hours.

[A]

And I'm sorry, I don't know. I don't dye my hair, so I don't know if this is a terribly rude question. Are you a natural blonde? No, you're not. What's your. Right, like, is your root that your real hair color?

[B]

Yeah. So it's, like, not as dark as yours.

[A]

No. But it's like a light brown.

[B]

Yeah. Like, if. If I were to let it grow is brown. Yeah.

[A]

Would you ever go back to brown?

[B]

I. I tried one time, like, right before college, and it turned, like, red in the sun, and I was like, ooh, that's doesn't look good on me. I get a lot of comments. You probably get comments too, like, telling you to do something different. I'm like, are you trying to sabotage me? What do you think? Should I try it?

[A]

So I think that there is a pipeline of girls in their 20s who are blonde forever. Like, you don't even know that they're not real blonde, who then, like, for some reason, go brown and never go back. I feel like a great example of that is Danielle Burns.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When we were young, she had platinum blonde hair. It was so. She had three strands of hair. It was so bad for her hair. She stopped dyeing it, I think, to, like, take care of it, and then ended up looking so much better. Like, it's saying that she was ever blonde. I feel like even though the blonde really works, I actually thought you were blonde.

[B]

Love.

[A]

Do you ever, like, take a picture of yourself and ask Chat GBT to change a color for you?

[B]

No, I should.

[A]

Okay. You know what? Actually, hold on. So I have this app, because. Come over here. I'm gonna take a picture of you. Cheese. Cheese. So cute. And then you can change the hair color and it uses AI. It's a good way to, like, test.

[B]

No, I. Because, well, you know, obviously we love Hailey Bieber here.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And she did that. If anyone can make me do it, it's her I'm just like. I feel so. Like, I just haven't not been blonde in so long.

[A]

Okay, hairstyles. How do I change?

[B]

I do, like. Like, I. I think there's a pipeline where you're like, bleach blonde. And then I went to, like, a darker route.

[A]

Okay, let's go to brown, let's say.

[B]

I'm so curious. I'm so scared.

[A]

Okay, that's, like, not brown enough. Hold on.

[B]

I need, like, almost like a. Like a I don't even know what kind of brown.

[A]

You know what?

[B]

No, really? Can I see?

[A]

Let me look dark. Hold on. I'm gonna go darker.

[B]

That is literally my new hairstylist.

[A]

Okay, what do you think of that?

[B]

Oh, that looks nice.

[A]

Is this good at that? I can send you this picture. Yeah, this is like a chocolatey brown. I don't know. I just feel like it's kind of a rite of passage, like a canon event. You have to let a young girl dye her hair blonde, and then, like, there comes a time where it's like, like, no, no, I'm brunette. Although I don't really feel that way about you.

[B]

I'm so. And also, like, for gals on the go, like, Brooke needs to be brunette. I need to be blonde.

[A]

It's so important that you have two different color hairs when you have a two female hosted podcast. I completely agree.

[B]

No, you. You literally. Halloween costumes, they do. Jackie and Claudia.

[A]

When people. When I like, a clip of us goes viral and people don't know us, they'll always be like, well, the brunette girl is wrong.

[B]

Shut up.

[A]

Or they'll be like, I agree with the redheaded girl. It's helpful. It's important to be able to differentiate. And I fear if we had the same. Same color hair, they'd be like, okay, well, the fat girl, like, that's what I'm afraid of. So Jackie can never dye her hair brown.

[B]

You also, like, you are not fat.

[A]

Like, no, I'm. I'm breastfeeding. I'm breastfeeding everyone. I just feel like I need to, like, have a sign on my forehead that says, I just had a baby. You know what I mean?

[B]

I just, like, forget you just had a baby sometimes. You're so, like, chill about it.

[A]

So real, you guys.

[B]

Like, you're just like, one of the girlies.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, and then you, like, have a child. I can't believe it.

[A]

Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Which does apply to you because it's about college football. Well, it's about a person who's college football?

[B]

Oh, yes. Yes, I'm ready.

[A]

Bill Belichick is going by again for his relationship with Jordan Hudson. Again. He was spotted. They're always going to, like, weird places together. But I do believe this takes the cake because. Because we forget she's so young. Okay. She was a part of a cheer competition and her 75 year old boyfriend came to support.

[B]

I have so many questions.

[A]

So she won a national cheerleading competition in 2021. She competed for a team called Code Black, which is a competitive cheerleading team based in North Carolina. The competition, competition occurred days after the Tar Heels played. So he was in town.

[B]

Go Tar Heel. No, I'm kidding.

[A]

I'm so confused because I know she's really young, but she's not in college and she's 24. And I watched. Right. I watched cheer on Netflix. So I know that there is no, like, there's no competitive cheerleading after college. Which is why, like, so many of these, they go to like junior college and then college. So they could perform for like six years.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

But after you graduate college, there is no career for a, for a cheerleading athlete. So how does a 24 year old compete and cheer?

[B]

Two things she's doing.

[A]

Is it just like recreational, like a local, like a local league or is she in college?

[B]

I need videos. Like, I was trying to find because.

[A]

Did you see her hair at the competition? She had like hardcore cheer hair.

[B]

It's giving. Like my mom did my hair.

[A]

Yeah, it's giving. She's wearing a bump. It look like it's huge.

[B]

So crazy.

[A]

And it's a really legit looking competition. And look, there he is. Like, not a.

[B]

What is he wearing? Like a shaggy sweatshirt? Okay. Yeah. I also feel so bad for the man because, like, patriots riding that high, like crushed it. And then we had to just do college football.

[A]

There's only one place to go. And I feel like kind of a lot of people from that era of like iconic patriots, like, went downhill. Like, sorry, Tom Brady, the roast, Giselle having a baby with another man. And like, you're just over here being a freak, getting roasted on Netflix. Like, I feel like he's kind of had a bit of a downfall. Gronk stays killing it.

[B]

I believe I saw Grunk stopped when he needed to.

[A]

He stopped when he needed to. I think saw him on the Masked Singer. Like, love that journey for you. I feel like he's done a good job and everybody, like, loves watching his relationship with Camille on TikTok. Like, that's actually. I don't, I don't include him in the downfall. I don't either, but it's not looking good for Bill.

[B]

It's not looking good for Bill. I just. I, I. I have, like, seriously so many questions. Like, I need to know what they talk about. I know they were, like, hot mic'd that one time, and, like, she's, like, telling him what to do, and, like.

[A]

So I forgot about that. What was that? Like, CBS this Morning?

[B]

It was some interview. And, like. Or they were, like, talking about, like, his show. He was his book. Yeah, something about that.

[A]

And she, like, stepped in as his publicist.

[B]

I didn't realize she was 24. I thought she was, like, my age.

[A]

Yeah, no, and it's like, you know, she's young, but he's also really old, so she could be 30 and it would be weird. But no, he's. She's literally not even 25. Her frontal lobe is not fully developed.

[B]

But, like, I think they do, like, care about each other. Whether it's platonic or romantically. I just, like, don't. I, like, need to know? Like, did she have to convince him? Like, please, babe, like, come to your competition?

[A]

No, I think he's, like, naturally supportive. That's the vibe I get, which is good.

[B]

Then if she's.

[A]

Honestly sounds like a great boyfriend. Yeah.

[B]

He's like. And like, oh, my God, that's.

[A]

What do you think they talk about?

[B]

I, like, literally don't know. Like, I feel like she's, like, trying to be a coach. She's like, did you want. Yes, you did Chad Powers.

[A]

I did watch Chad Powers, although I didn't watch a finale, so don't tell me what happened.

[B]

Yeah, you need to hold on to it because there's no more episodes, right?

[A]

No, it was kind of quick. How many episodes were there? Only, like, six.

[B]

I was so upset.

[A]

I really enjoyed it, though.

[B]

So. Good. And then they filmed in Athens. They did a Georgia game, I think it. Or was that finale? Sorry.

[A]

The school that they play for is South Georgia University. That's a fake school, right?

[B]

Yeah, it's like a fake school, but then they went to go play Georgia. I'm like, how do they get. Get the license? Like, I don't understand. But yes. And my friends were at that game. It was a real game. They filmed.

[A]

Oh, I love when they do, like, movies and TV shows filming, like, the Entourage movie. Like, actually filming at the Golden Globes. I love that.

[B]

Yeah. Like, stuff like that is so cool to me.

[A]

It's just fun.

[B]

It's fun. It's real. It's like, those aren't extras. Those real people.

[A]

You meet your boyfriend in college?

[B]

I did. At a bar. He came right up to me.

[A]

He was a student as well.

[B]

He was a student as well. He was in a toxic.

[A]

You're giving so much crazy van patent right now. Like, talking about college.

[B]

You, like, need to stop telling me that someone's gassing me up.

[A]

How many years have you guys been in together?

[B]

6. And you're like, why, aren't you engaged? No.

[A]

No. You just moved in together.

[B]

We did just move in together, which. Oh, my God. You talking about the food processors of a. Ben is like me with Ryan's blender.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Just to make a lot of smoothies every morning.

[A]

And I'm like, what greens? What does he like?

[B]

Bananas, strawberry, a little water. But it's.

[A]

I. Of course. And it's so many parts. Does he clean it well?

[B]

No, I'm cleaning it. He just, like, rinses it. Doesn't clean it well.

[A]

No. Ben doesn't even put it in the sink. He puts it next to the sink with context. It's actually so offensive to women. Like, I. I can't. Even though we have. I hate to say, like, we have been using the food processor a lot because we're starting to, like, make purees for the baby. So, like, so cute. That doesn't. Like, Ben hasn't been using it personally. Oh. Like, we've just been. I got it out of the box because I needed to puree some carrots, which is, like, so hard. You know, I'm an amazing.

[B]

How's decorating your new apartment going?

[A]

It's going really well, actually. So funny. So when I was talking to Margo, I'm like, no, you don't understand. D. Caroline's, like, my favorite comfort creator, and she's like, you know, you literally decorated all of our apartments because you, your interior designer, Sierra did Margo. And then Margo's apartment looks so good. I'm like, wait, Margo, give me that girl's number. Like, you're extremely. I know you're an influencer, but you're extremely influential.

[B]

Thanks, Claudia. Of course. Nice. I'm so. I, like. I want to see more home decor from you, please.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yes. I really love when you post about, like, little things.

[A]

Don't you feel like it's so.

[B]

I know it's vulnerable. It is.

[A]

I know it's, like, so stupid. But there are certain things, like, I'll post about if you don't like it. Like, I don't care. But, like, my House. Like, my house is my safe haven.

[B]

No, that's fair.

[A]

And so if I'm going to post it and you're going to be like, you should move. I mean, even when I shared my nursery reveal, somebody was like, you. A lot of people were like, the crib is not centered on the wall, and you need to move the carpet. And you know what? They were right. But, like, so annoying.

[B]

No. And you definitely have to be ready for that, because all people tell me you need wire covers on your. I'm like, you. Like, I can't.

[A]

Wires are so annoying.

[B]

So sorry. I'm saying the F word so much.

[A]

Do you curse on your pod?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. What days do you release your episodes on?

[B]

Wednesdays.

[A]

That's a good day.

[B]

Yeah, it's a good day.

[A]

And you guys do a lot of live shows.

[B]

We do a lot of live shows. Like, there's. I mean, you know, they're so fun. I went to yours.

[A]

They are so fun. So fun.

[B]

They're so fun. They're definitely take a lot out of you. And, like. Because we really, you know, want to make people tickets.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. I think, like, for a while, we got to a place where every podcast had a live show, and I just don't think that's necessary.

[B]

No.

[A]

And if you're not gonna make it worth people's money, especially our listeners, I think we're a little bit older. A lot of them have kids, so if you, like, get a sitter, it has to be worth your. Your time. So I appreciate that you put your whole gal on the gussie into your live shows.

[B]

Thank you. Yeah, we tried to not do, like. We tried to make it, like, segments and different than the show. Like, I like how you guys did the surprise song at the end. Like, you have to do something where it's like, you don't get on the podcast. Like, you have to absol.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Yeah. But we're not. We're not touring right now.

[A]

Now. Do you and Brooke ever fight? We get asked this a lot. No. I know people who work together.

[B]

We are just so honest with each other. So one might think, no, we don't fight. We don't fight. It's very much so, like, oh, I don't agree with that. Okay, well, can we find a compromise?

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

It's very. Like, we're both in therapy, so I.

[A]

Feel like both of us, very healthy.

[B]

Communicators, very healthy communicate. Like, also, I have known her literally since I had braces when I was 14.

[A]

How did you guys meet?

[B]

In Florida. She, like. We didn't even, like, say where we lived at the time, but she could, like, tell where I was. And she was like, hey, I'm gonna be in Florida. And we met up at the mall. Our mom.

[A]

That's so fucking cute. You were 14.

[B]

I was 14. I think she was 15. And we met up at the mall.

[A]

It's cute. Now I feel like if something happened, like, that happened now, and you were, like, meeting someone on the Internet, it would be like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. I feel like now, because now we know the Secretary Parker of the Internet.

[B]

Okay, yes. Sorry. I thought you meant that.

[A]

This is so precious. And so, like, you told your mom, you were like, I'm going to meet this girl from the Internet. And your mom was like, I have to come.

[B]

Yes. And her mom was like, I'll be there, too. And then we just, like, sat in the food court.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And then we just. It's actually so crazy. Crazy. Like, she ended up going to University of Georgia. I was torn.

[A]

She did?

[B]

Yes. She went to uga, too. But, like, I just go hard for the football.

[A]

Right, right, right, right.

[B]

But she, like, she is, like, the reason I'm there, because I was touring all the schools. I was touring Alabama. Like, I knew I wanted to go in the south. And obviously when I toured there, she was already there, and she showed me a really fucking good time.

[A]

Wow, that's so cute.

[B]

I know. I'm, like, so obsessed. It's so fun. We, like, go to Georgia games together.

[A]

So your podcast is called Gals on the Go. You drop episodes every Wednesday. Be sure to tune in.

[B]

You guys, so nice of you.

[A]

Follow Janelle. I love your content. I have to say, if you're in the mood for, like, you know, peaceful party energy, vibes, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, Danielle Carolan, thank you so much for being here. It's been a pleasure to sort of close the circle on this.

[B]

This was so nice to, like, chat with you. I had so much to say.

[A]

You crushed the past.

[B]

Did I do a good job?

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Of course. No, you did not do a bad job. Absolutely not. I feel like you were, like, really? I feel like I talked a lot.

[B]

No, and I do, too.

[A]

So I just want to say I am getting, like, a little bit of hate during this maternity leave because people like Claudia, you have to let the guests talk. And, like, I'm really trying. I got a lot of hate with my episode with Zandra, but, like, she, like, I got nervous for her, so I just, like, talked for her. I do the same thing and I feel the space. I just got that with also Suzy Weiss and I'm like always aware of it and I'm trying. So, guys, I'm reading your comments. Thanks so much. I know.

[B]

No, I'm reading the comments too. And I'm sorry I'm not Joey. I'm sorry I'm not Joey. But you know what? I hope I did okay.

[A]

He is going to love that you said that.

[B]

I. I am a new fan of him now.

[A]

Oh, my God. He's everything.

[B]

I should have brought my get.

[A]

Me and Ben want to become his manager. Like, we're like, you are going to be a star.

[B]

We needed like a resurgence for Joey.

[A]

Oh, my God. He didn't love that. Well, you guys, thank you so much for listening to the Toast and Millennium morning show where we deliver the fastest series you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe and give this video thumbs up. We're also available podcast anywhere. Podcast can be found on Spotify, Tune, Stitch, Republic radio box, all the places we'll visit a podcast. Find us the Toast. Leave a five star review about a beautiful, stunning and wickedly talented we are. Love ya. Bye.