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Good morning, millennials.
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Welcome back to the toast and happy Wednesday. It is hump day. Don't forget to hump someone you love and speak of somebody I love. Hello, Jackie. How are you?
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I'm good. First hump day in the par g new studio. Pns.
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Should we hump the new furniture like you had suggested?
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Yeah, I think we should christen it. It deserves a christening, right?
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It's a christening of sorts. Are you first?
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Oh. Oh, goodness.
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B
Let me put on my favorite song. Fat Juicy Wet by Bruno Mars.
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No, unfortunately, as much as I want to, I can't have the furniture because I don't want to take the autofocus on the new camera off of my.
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Right, sure. Excuses, excuses.
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Yeah, I wouldn't want to disturb the new technology. So, unfortunately, I can't hump publicly, though. You guys know how that thrills me.
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Without technology.
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Without technology. Shout out to the camera and the counselor. One of the best children's books ever written. And I'm not just saying that because I wrote it, but. But it comes back into the rotation, like, every once in a while. You know, how we cycle through books, and every single time, I'm like, this is fire flames, and it will bring a tear to the eye.
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I didn't write it. And I also think it's one of the greatest children's books ever written. Although you guys know how I feel about children's book. Looking at them with a fresh adult eye. A lot of them don't stand the test of time. Like, a lot of them are pieces of shit. Teaching our children, like, poor values.
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No, teaching our children to dull their shine. That's a.
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Correct. The rainbow Fish.
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Rainbow, correct. But also, like, pout, pout fish. I didn't like pow pow fish vibe either, which is actually crazy because it was recommended to me by Dana, and we're aligned on everything in this world. But, like, for business, should it be called?
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It really makes you think, like, what are we teaching our children? Which is why it's so important to just plop your kids in front of the TV and make them watch the toast if you want them to grow into adults who are cool and funny.
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You know, it's really sweet. So true. Also, a lot of toasters who have had babies, like, since I've published my book, so it's been, like, a year and a half. So a year and a half worth of. Of little toasters. They have now come to the book. They're like, oh, I bought it because, like, we were buying children's books and they're like, it's so good for so. For so many people, it's like their first time reading it when they do have their child. And I. I love hearing from everyone. Never gets.
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Yeah, we're kind of like. We're kind of like two published authors. A lot of people don't know that either.
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I feel like as much as we can make mention of it, we do. You know, it's worth.
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It's worth mentioning.
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Yeah, we are two published authors, which is, like, so low key. We are always, like, bragging about our beauty and our wits and our charms, but not so much about our literary accomplishments.
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I feel like I really don't talk about my beauty or my charm, like, as often as I should, given how much beauty and charm I have.
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You don't think at the end of every episode when you encourage people to say that we're beautiful, stunning, and wickedly talented, that that's. That.
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That's what, you know, kids these days call affirmations. I look, this is me in the morning, in the mirror every morning. I am beautiful. I am stunning. I am wickedly talented. I'm beautiful. I am stunning. I'm wickedly talented. And let me tell you, that shit works.
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I was watching the Rachel kirkconnell interview on Caller Daddy last night, and she said something like two times about being, like, beautiful, smart, and blank. And I was like, oh, it's giving toast.
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To be honest, I had heard once that she was a toaster. Yeah, I think she told me that.
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That doesn't feel incongruous. She came to the Spritz party and that. Yeah, she did say that when she came to the Spritz launch party and we were like, what, us?
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Yeah. I don't know if she, like, still keeps up every day. And we are going to talk about her interview on Call Her Daddy. There's actually a lot to talk about today. I watched the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills last night. Well, actually, I watched it this morning, as did you, Rachel. You're saying Kirk now?
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You know what? I'm just going to try a bunch of different stuff, and we'll probably settle on Rach. But I still don't have a grasp. Alex was pronouncing it different than Kirk. I think she was saying Kirk Connell. Yes. Last yesterday. So I'll go with that.
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I say Kirk and L, and I just feel like it's right.
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A
Yeah. I don't know how we all got so confused. It's not really a confusing name.
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B
It's kind of like a very normal name, it's giving Irish, like, you know.
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What I think it is? I think it's the extra A in her name that's preemptively throwing you off.
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From pronounce thousand percent. I think that you're looking at letters differently when you're reading her name.
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It's true. You start to second guess yourself. You're like, are things pronounced and spelled the way I think? No.
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We're both, first of all, wearing white pants, which is just crazy for both of us. I guess neither of us are on our periods. But you are also wearing my pants. And I think we should talk about the thievery that occurred.
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A
Yeah. So when you came in December, you had sent a bunch of stuff to the house, some new clothes, and I opened all your packages and put it away in your new wardrobe. And when I was doing that, I had my eye on some things. Now, of course, I would never, like, preemptively swipe, but they went into your closet. You wore them while you were here. And I couldn't stop thinking about these pants. So I went and I took them. And what I like about these pants is, in person, they look really bad on me. Like, if. If we're one to one, like, you could see the outline of the pockets. I think you could see my underwear is too dark. Like, really, they look terrible. They're too long. They make my hips look like they look like shit. But I think they're perfect for the show.
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B
Yeah, I wouldn't say that. They're, like, the most flattering pants I ever bought, which is why I, like, didn't give you a hard time when I saw you were, like, rifling through my things. But they're pants, you know, Sometimes you just need pants.
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It's true. And the other day I wore them with a bodysuit, which actually kind of solved a lot of those issues I was talking about. But today, the way I'm wearing them, they look terrible in person. But I think with our new chairs, it's actually kind of perfect, hopefully.
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So. Yes, first hump day. First Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap. A lot of firsts happening on today on this beautiful Wednesday in our Gargie Parji new studios. As always, this is week one, a work in progress. Tweaks are still being made. I love that we have so many audio and video technicians who listen to our show, and suddenly everyone's a critic, you know, but we, you know, we're making updates every day. I've had some more soundproofing done, so just know, like, We. We know, like, there's still things to be done, like, you have to shove down our faces.
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We are getting there. We did a major troubleshooting session yesterday and this morning ran multiple tests.
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B
Yeah. Scored 1600 being taken. Yeah.
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A
It's giving standardized out of 2400.
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So we'll see how today every day is just kind of like a little bit of a test run. We don't have the luxury of doing a weekly podcast. We. We can work out all these kinks in a week. We have to work them out in a matter of hours. And so it'll be a couple more days before I think we really hit everything perfectly and we'll be in an artificial new groove. But I already feel like, you know, vast improvements have been made, and I appreciate all the positive feedback and.
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Yeah, me as well. Me as well.
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Me as well.
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Retweet, sis.
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Oh, huge.
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So many different ways to say me as well.
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So many huge things happening for me.
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A
Yesterday I saw Ms. Manny's.
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B
Oh, yes, of course. Ben and I attended, like, you know, in this line of work, we attend a lot of fabulous events. Trips to the Cape, clam bakes, things of that nature. And most of the time, it's, like, geared towards me. You know, it's like beauty events and, like, fashion. No, this event was designed for Ben, and he was literally taking notes. He wants to. So Hellman's Mayonnaise had, like, a big party to celebrate their new super bowl commercial, which I don't know if it's out yet.
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Actually, we have a story about super bowl commercials, so if you have something to say, put it in the book.
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Whatever. Ben was having the time of his life. Like, seriously, there was so much free food, and it was like, is that Cats's deli? Like, famous Jewish style deli?
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So Ben was kosher meat.
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It's. It's not kosher, but he ate a hot dog. Yeah, Ben just sort of like Ben had said me. Actually, we had a disagreement about this on the way home. He was like, I feel like having non kosher meat at a place like that, like, is fine. Like, it's basically kosher.
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I understand what he's saying, but I just want to say I feel like the hot dog is probably kosher, because even it's not.
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Okay. So we literally met the. We met the owner. So Ben ate the hot dog, and we just assumed it was Hebrew national. Like, even in, like, the. Any place who eats anything other than a Hebrew national, we like, as people who are kosher, we are always eating hot Dogs, because every. Everyone use. Unless you're making your own. And so Ben was eating the hot dogs. He thought it was totally safe. And then we met the owner, who was so nice, and Ben, like, had so many questions for him. Ben wanted to get pickle sprouts.
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Oh, my goodness.
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In Katz's Deli, which is a great idea. And I was asking him, like, you know, and he must get this question all the time because he's like, a Jewish guy about, like, kosher. And he was like, no, I know.
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Everyone says it's kind of a shonda.
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So it's a kosher style deli, although the meat is not kosher. So that was Ben's, like, an opening for him, because, like, I already ate the hot dogs, and he ate them in earnest. He thought that they were kosher. So, you know, Ben just then sort of, like, threw religion to the wind and had a pastrami sandwich, and he said it was the best pastrami sandwich he had ever had in his life.
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Can I ask, what's kosher style if nothing about it is kosher?
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Yeah. Like, it has Jewish roots.
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Oh, okay, cool. So nothing about it is kosher.
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It's a common misconception. A lot of people assume the famous Katz's Deli on the Lower east side in New York is kosher. It's not. It's kosher style, which. It means nothing.
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Okay.
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I thought it just means the owners are Jewish.
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I thought kosher style meant the meat is kosher, but the kitchen, it's not. Dairy and meat, like Pastrami Queen is kosher meat. Un kosher kitchen par.
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Actually, I think the kitchen is kosher. Pastrami Queen just doesn't close on Chavez.
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Oh, right.
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So they can't be officially, but a lot of religious shoes I know would still eat Pastrami Queen. Like, it's kosher.
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I guess I don't ask questions you don't want the answers to. That's why I never ask if the French onion soup uses beef broth at any restaurant.
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Well, because I don't want to get into the weeds.
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I don't want to know. I just want to.
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What are you, like Carmen Sandiego, investigating things like, it's none of your business.
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Yeah. So he shouldn't have asked once. He already ate it.
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Yeah. And then afterwards, I went to a holiday, kind of like a very Jewish evening for my friend Alicia, who's getting married. And, like, they had a microphone. They were like, if anybody wants to say anything, it was like all the Girls together, like. And then, like, people started, like, getting up, and I was like, oh, my God. I've, like, known her. I'm, like, one of the people who's known her here the longest. Like, I didn't prepare remarks, so just sort of, like, winged it.
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I feel like people really do expect you to speak. Speak in situations like that, because, like.
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The public speaker, I'm the personality hire, you know?
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Yeah.
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And so. And this happens to be one of my oldest friends, so I'm like, you know what? I just sort of, like, threw caution to the wind. I was like, fuck it. You know? And I literally. I gave such a. I think. And my friend. Best friend Alicia, whose wedding. I mean, whose bridal shower was. Her mom's a toaster. She listens every day, so she'll give me feedback.
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Okay.
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I think Esther, the mom would also corroborate. Like, it was probably one of the best speeches ever given. Like, I kind of love doing it, you know? You think so much when you have, like, a paper in front of you and you just want to get the words right where I was just really speaking from the heart. Oh. And I just made so many funny jokes. Like, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. And it was the first time I've ever really, like, spoken off the cuff.
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Yeah.
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I kind of have a talent for it.
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The turd burger dress.
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The turd dress, yes. Thank you. Yes.
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You want to know something so funny? You know, one of my favorite scenes in any movie is that scene from the Wedding Ringer. When they go to a wedding. Kevin Hart and Josh Gad. And the groomsman rips up his speech. You know how some people do that? It's like a. You know what? I'm going off book. Like, I don't even care about these words. That's, like, my favorite scene. And then he gets, like, so flustered, he starts quoting Hitler. Do you know who the actor is.
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In that scene who plays the grooms in.
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Yeah, yeah. Or the groom. I forget which one.
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Let me think.
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It's so close to home. Claudia.
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It's so close to home.
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Yeah, it's so close to home. Are you ready? Josh Peck?
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You're kidding me.
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No, you have to watch.
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Kidding me.
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You have to watch it. Have you seen that movie?
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Have you spoken to Josh about that?
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No, I just remembered it right now because the last time I told this story about, like, that's my favorite scene when the groom rips up the speech, people were like, that's Josh Peck. And I didn't realize because at the Time that I watched it, like, they weren't the good guys yet.
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They were the bad guys.
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A
They were the bad guys.
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Oh, my God. No, I did not know that. That's the crazy thing about Josh is, like, he's Ben's best friend. He obviously also has this, like, weird former life of being, like, a huge Disney star, but he's also, like, a very successful actor. Like, when I was watching the Mindy Project, one of the girls in who's, like, a nurse, she's, like a receptionist. She has a boyfriend who she's, like, always referencing. And, like, one episode, we finally meet him, and he's like. He's like a crackhead. And it's Josh. Like, it was.
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Seriously, should we go to Crime DB.
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I think we would be genuine. And he's in a new movie with Diane Keaton all about summer camp.
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Okay.
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He was telling me about it. I think it came out. I think we should watch it.
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Josh Peck movies and TV shows. Like, this is what we would do for anyone. So we shouldn't not do it just because we know.
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Obviously, Oppenheimer comes to mind.
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Snow Day. Do you remember that movie from when we were kids?
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Of course I do.
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Max Keeble's big move. Oh, my God, he is on the poster.
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Not Max Keeble.
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Max Keeble. He's out. He's one of three on the poster. That is so.
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You should know all this crazy.
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I know. No, but there's just so many things. Ice Age. Oh, he's got Ice Age money. Okay.
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Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. I didn't know we were doing Ice Age. Wow. Good for him.
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And then, I mean, a million other things, but those are the ones that are, like, part of our DNA, except for.
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And the crazy thing is, is that I don't even know if, like, Josh knows how. Growing up, like, nobody was a bigger fan of Josh Peck than Ben Safer. I think sometimes Ben, like, will be in the shower, like, pinch himself that he's best friends with Josh Peck. Like, Ben was really shaped by that show. And I think as, like, a heavier kid, he really saw himself in Josh. And if you were to, like, sit down in therapy and, like, talk to Ben about, like, his influences, like, he would. It would be Josh from Drake and Josh and the fact that that's his best friend, like, Ben has seriously girl bossed so close to the sun.
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No, it's true. That would be like me hosting a podcast with Miley Cyrus.
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Miley.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And you hosting a podcast with Joe.
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Jonas, which, honestly, like, I Don't feel like is the craziest thing ever.
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No podcasts like that come about. I mean, look at good guys, but, like, you know, where the influencer and the A list celebrity come together and make magic.
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It's so true. What would me and Joe's podcast be called? Camp Turd Turd Rock. Turd Rock probably right.
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Yeah, that's the one.
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Yeah, that's the one. What would you and Hannah's be called?
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Best of both Worlds. Oh, my God. Like, perfect. Sorry. Snitch. We need the trademark.
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A thousand percent. I think Hannah probably owns the trademark.
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A
Where's Snitch? Have you seen her recently?
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Who is Snitch? In this world? We do. We know someone named Snitch?
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Our sister, Satchel Margot. She's out skiing.
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B
Globetrotting.
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A
Yeah. Have you seen her recently?
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B
I haven't. And, like, skiing is, like, something we do, you know, as a family. We go every year. We didn't go this past year. And so obviously she's, like, mad at us about it, so she's decided to, like, recreate our trip. She texted me yesterday, like, I'm at the vintage room, which is, like, where her, Ben and I, like, got wasted and, like, did apres ski. I'm like, oh, cool.
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She's, like, sending pictures of our favorite runs to do.
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She's like, yeah, like, just Utah spots.
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I'm like, yeah, okay, but you're not with your family who loves you, right?
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B
It should hit poorly.
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A
It's not according to stories. It's not hitting poorly.
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B
It's really upsetting. Like, when you come to the realization that, like, life goes on without you.
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A
No, it's so true. But I feel like she. She had to have come to that realization because we're all kind of just, like, sad, you know? What is she going to do? She needs on from us. Yeah, it's just, like, sad.
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B
Well, at least we have each other.
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A
And our party, new studio, and our pianists.
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B
Yeah. This is so important to, like, just be grateful, you know, for what you do have.
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A
It's true. It's true. We miss you, Smash, if you ever hear this.
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And what we do have is five amazing stories. The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap.
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We have to get into the stories because, like, most of my evening was dominated by television, and I need to talk about it. So without further I'm available. I'm available without further ado about our little sister who left us. It is time for the it is time for the fast five stories that you need to know and the Fast.
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A
Thank you, Churt.
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B
It's just been, it's been an honor, really, truly an honor working with you.
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A
Yes. Well, our first story is the big news of the day because Rachel Kirkconnell has sat down for an interview with Alex Cooper on Call Her Daddy. The episode premiered last night and she is sharing her side of what happened in the relationship after not having speak spoken ever since Matt James like posted his very confusing Instagram photo and caption that we've spent the last two weeks trying to dissect. Now we have all the answers.
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B
And I want to say I'm like two parts of me. I'm like, obviously I'm like a Gossip Girl, like, you know, drama mongering. So I wanted like the tea. So I was like a little disappointed because it was kind of like a nothing burger. But I'm also thrilled that like she wasn't in a worse situation than we like and maybe like the Internet. I don't know how we got to this place where we thought it was going to be so crazy. Maybe because his post was so bizarre, he kind of like played himself into making this a big story and like making himself the villain. So I'm glad that it wasn't that. But how did we get here? We're like, I don't know what I thought she was gonna say, but I.
- [21:48]
A
Was just like, oh yeah, the craziest Part of this story is what happened after they broke up and how he posted Max three hours after they broke up. He knew she was on her way to the airport, getting on a plane. And he also knows that her phone does not connect to airplane wi fi. She said ever since she downloaded some vpn, she can't connect to airplanes. So funny. He, like, obviously would know that about his travel partner. They just spent the last three weeks going to London. So he posted that as she's taking off. She sees it as she's taking off. Her friend text, her rage, and then no service for 12 hours. So she hadn't told anyone yet because she was just, like, crying and in shock because basically they were having a very normal time on their trips. They were in Japan and just started to get, like, irritated by each other, as you do when you're with. When you travel up their butt, like, cabin fever. And that small fight turned into a larger fight that he. Not a fight, but a larger conversation about the issues in their relationship that then he ended the relationship. Her flight. She was set to leave right then anyway, which makes you wonder if he was just, like, waiting for that, planning it, like, maybe knew a few days before. But what, you're gonna make her move her flight. It's weird when you're out of the country. So she just took her bag, left, went to the airport, was just, like, crying and upset, and he posted that not even three hours later. So she said, like, if he hadn't posted that, like, he did, and that blew every. She didn't even have one day of peace. She didn't even get to tell her family or her friends in her own way. If he hadn't done that, she wouldn't, like, then be on Call her daddy talking about what went wrong in their relationship. But they started talking from the beginning, like, the Bachelor. What made her go on the Bachelor? How she wound up on the show. Her friends put her up for it. It was, like, not serious. But then she saw Matt was the Bachelor, and she was like, oh, like, I would like to meet him. And then she instantly connected with him on the show. They famously did not get engaged on the show, which she said she was, like, totally fine with. He said that to her off camera.
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B
And by the way, at the time, I didn't think it was so crazy. Obviously, they had their, like, big scandal. But also at the time when the Bachelor was, like, really popular, it was kind of this annoying thing that, like, these couples who, like, really had a lot of potential but didn't want to get engaged would have to, like, break up. The proposal became this almost, like, burden in the franchise. So the fact that they were able to find a roundabout way to, like, still be together and, like, have a normal relationship, and we figured they would get engaged in, like, a year, I actually thought that was a kind of nice for them. Obviously, the circumstances that brought them there were terrible.
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A
Yes. And to me, they always seemed younger. Maybe, I don't know, the same age as everyone, but they just seemed young. So I was like, okay, they're not ready for an engagement. And that's also. You're just taking it seriously. So then they got together after the show. She said in that time, they were so happy. Like, just good conversations, having fun. Like, all good. And then the controversy happened with the old photos of her.
- [24:25]
B
Right.
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A
And Matt broke up with her even though their relationship had been all good. She said he was feeling a lot of pressure, and she has a lot compassion for him in that moment because he was feeling a lot of pressure from people he didn't know. People he did know to break up with her because that was just, like, a really crazy moment. It was after blm, and I'm sure everyone remembers the great Southern belle.
- [24:45]
B
Southern. What are those parties called?
- [24:47]
A
Old south party.
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B
Oh, yeah. Right, right, right.
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A
No, and, like, the serious cancellation of Rachel Corkana, like, that was one of the biggest ones. It was out in our world. It was happening the entire season that the show was airing probably from halfway through the season. And what was so crazy is they were getting closer and closer, and everyone knew that she had this scandal. And it was like, is he.
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B
Was he going to choose her?
- [25:09]
A
Like, are we going to watch this live on after the final rose? And it was just so crazy. And he broke up with her because he felt like that was the right thing to do and he didn't want to let people down. But then they were still talking a little bit, and they wound up getting back.
- [25:22]
B
They were deeply in love.
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A
Yeah. So they got back together because they missed each other and they liked each other. And when their relationship started again, there were so many power imbalances that what I took away from the episode were the reasons why their relationship didn't work out in the end. First of all, when you come off of a show like that, he's sought out by 40 women, and the whole time she has to fight for him. He's not fighting.
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B
There's already an imbalance.
- [25:48]
A
And she said, I think a lot of couples deal with that coming off of the show, and especially for when the male is the lead, I feel like when the woman is the lead, it's just different. Men and women dynamics.
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B
Like, a woman is always on a pedestal. Like, yeah, no, but, like, it's fine.
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A
But I always feel like women in general are like, they have to get the man to propose him. Even we talk about Taylor and Travis. She's the most powerful woman in the world, but at the end of the day, she's just waiting for him to make the. Like, that's just gender dynamics. But then it's compounded when someone is the bachelor. So coming off of that, she's been proving himself to her. She's always the one who has to, like, tell him how much she likes her. And then they come into the real world, and there's a little bit of that. Plus, the world hates Rachel and the world loves Matt. And so she's constantly feeling inferior in their relationship and so insecure. And so she touched on how that year, the first year of their relationship was really hard for her. They would, like, go to places and events, and it's like, Matt James and Rachel. Like, everyone loves Matt James and, like.
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B
And she was like this villain who everyone's like, she's undeserving of him.
- [26:45]
A
Yeah. And that she's this bad person. And like, I think.
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B
Right.
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A
I think that when she got broken up with and canceled at the same time, I. And she seems like someone who can Very sensitive. Sensitive and anxious and. And depressed. I have to imagine that was the hardest moment of her life, period. To be heartbroken. The world hates you. Telling you you're this terrible person.
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B
As if getting canceled isn't the worst fucking thing on the planet.
- [27:09]
A
But you just.
- [27:10]
B
Then your man leaves you.
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A
You got broken up with by a guy who you never even had a bad moment with yet, because you're just in the early days of a blossoming, beautiful relationship. So, like, I feel like that must have been so hard for her. And they just kept on going with the story until, like, what's next? What's the next? But I'm kind of, like, focused on that because I think that set the tone for their whole relationship, where she constantly just didn't feel good enough. And she would have to say to her about herself in the interview, no, like, Rachel, you are good enough. She just, like, was talking. Talking so negatively about herself in the interview. I feel like she's never really forgiven herself for the things that happened and why she was canceled. And it just, like, affected her confidence, her. Her place in her relationship. And it was Just an imbalanced way. And so all of those things plagued her throughout the relationship to the point where at the end in Japan, she can't even pick a restaurant for them to go to because she's so nervous about disappointing him. And maybe he in some ways put pressure on her to be this person. But she never said that. She kept saying, he said the restaurant was fine. Who cares?
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B
Right? So the restaurant thing I think everybody's talking about and it's like, well, Matt's the villain because he made her feel bad, even though she's expressly said the whole time, I was so insecure, yes, it was me.
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A
I think it all stems from those original issues that never got solved. And she would say, and there were moments of fights that they had that clearly he wasn't showing like compassion and wasn't being immaturity. Yeah. And that's just like, okay, not, he's not a perfect boyfriend. He's not a perfect person. I was a good boyfriend. And I feel like people in the comments are like, labeling him with like these.
- [28:41]
B
Yeah, I've seen a lot of like.
- [28:42]
A
I don't like that. Nothing. I. Not. I'm not a trained professional. I would never label anyone. The only vibe I got from him based on what she was saying is like, he's a little robotic, like a little unemotional. She would be going, say she was having a hard day emotionally. He would give her space to go through it, process her feelings, and then they would talk about it. And Alex was like, is that what you want? And she was like, no, actually, like, I would have liked to be comforted and have someone to talk to and feel supported. So I just feel like emotionally he couldn't give her what she.
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B
I feel like if you just like follow him on social media, like you could receive that. That he's very unemotional and very like, yeah, robotic.
- [29:14]
A
So on an emotional, like communication level, they're not good partners for one another. But I think all those other factors from the outside contributed to how she felt in the relationship. It felt like she was like very insecure. And then she also didn't, I feel like never wanted to make him upset. And I think also she is tendency to have like people pleasing tendencies. And then he is the sort of person where it's just like, it's, it's. The more you like are trying, the more he's like, why are you trying so hard?
- [29:47]
B
I also think when you compare it to other like successful bachelor couples where the male is the lead, you know, going into the real world, and then becoming public figures is just, like, a part of your job. And I feel like it was very much kind of like the mat show and the. Even when the male is the lead, like, male reality stars, they do sort of, like, fizzle, and naturally, like, the girl becomes, like, you know, a big influencer and. Yeah, and she did sort of, but, like, it was very much the Matt show.
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A
And I also just.
- [30:13]
B
I think is what you're saying is, like, reflective of the. The. The dynamic of their relationship.
- [30:17]
A
And I feel like at first it was because she was, like, canceled, so she was just, like, glad to be with him and go to things with him. But in the last few years, she is actually very pargy content. She's a very good content creator because she is originally a graphic designer, so she's actually talented in the field of content creation. And she just never, like, branched out and did her own thing as a passive consumer. Like, I follow her, and it's like, why isn't she on tripping with Tarte? Why isn't she doing these things?
- [30:43]
B
Yeah, we know, like, Matt's things, right? Like food and fitness, Lululemon. What are her. What was Rachel?
- [30:47]
A
I never got to explore that because that initial moment was taken from her. Where you do typically go out and crush it as an influencer.
- [30:56]
B
Yeah.
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A
And then I feel like, because she lacked the confidence to, like, get back out there, because she never fully, like, moved on from this thing, even though it feels like from the outside, it's like, oh, well, people have moved on and you guys are together and you made it work. So, like, I think we're all moving forward. But to me, I know people are now, like, taking away from this. Matt is toxic, and Matt is a bad boyfriend.
- [31:14]
B
They're using big words. Emotionally manipulative abuser. Like, I think it's important that we refrain from using those terms because they start to lose their meaning. When everybody who's not the best boyfriend ever is an abuser, then there are people who actually abuse, and you're like, oh, wait, no, this is abuse.
- [31:30]
A
Yeah. The thing is, she's talking in the interview like someone who has suffered from verbal abuse. And my takeaway is that that was from the cancellation. She was so verbally abused by the media, the country, the influencers. Everyone, like, wore this girl down, and that's why she talks so negatively about herself. And that's. That's my personal takeaway that this is more of a referendum on cancel culture and what it does to a person.
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B
Wow.
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A
Even four years Later.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Than it is on Matt James himself. Even though they would have an argument and she would go into the argument upset with him and then she would leave the argument just hoping he wasn't upset with her. Like, yeah, that's not good boyfriend. It's not a good boyfriend. But listen, people get in fights in their relationships all the time. If you had a window into every single relationship, all of you people in the comments would be saying breakup. So you have to remember, like, it's two people. People have arguments in relationships. She is speaking as kindly about him as she can. And then ultimately, at the end of the day, he just didn't see her as his wife and future partner. Now is that.
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B
Which, by the way, was the undercurrent of their entire relationship. With each year that went by, we were like, why aren't these people who are so deeply in love getting engaged?
- [32:35]
A
And she hasn't sussed out whether it was really like her and him being incompatible or he has all these hang ups because his parents talked about it.
- [32:44]
B
On his season of the Bachelor.
- [32:45]
A
That's also why he didn't get engaged on the Bachelor. Like, he definitely has that. And then also maybe he was feeling like she wasn't right for him, but what? Even the perfect girl. And it seems like she couldn't have done more to try and make the relationship work. She loves him so much. So much so, like, that picking the best restaurant for his content, like, was so overwhelming to her.
- [33:04]
B
That's like the real tragedy and the saddest part of this, because you see her, she's such a nice girl and all she wanted was like, to love and be loved. And he made it so hard. Like, that was the real takeaway. It's like, he's not a bad person. He's just like kind of not a good boyfriend. And he's very specific type of person. And they certainly weren't like a person, like a love language kind of match. But she's just somebody who really wanted, I think asked for very little.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And received even less in return.
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A
Get that.
- [33:30]
B
That's what's really sad.
- [33:31]
A
And then I also think there are common themes in their story. Just about, like, girls who are ready to be engaged at two years start to get a little curious and then impatient and the guy doesn't do it. And I think a lot of times, like, everyone gets across the finish line. You know, it takes some time. I feel like people think that you just like, wake up, get engaged.
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B
No, no.
- [33:49]
A
You've got to put those ducks in Motion. It's a dance. But sometimes you can do all the right steps and the right moves and it's still a no. And you have to move on. And then you're grieving. Like the person, the relationship, your best friend, your time, your future that you think, maybe in a year from now I'll be getting married and starting to have kids. And instead it's like, maybe in a year from now I'll meet someone.
- [34:12]
B
Like, to me that's the greatest crime Matt James committed was allowing this like really lovely, young, beautiful girl full of potential to like sort of waste away under your care. You knew, you knew you have your own issues. Like four years to steal from a woman. It's actually a crime. Like it should. It should be punishable by jail. Like it's one of the worst things you can do to someone. Especially somebody who's been vocal about wanting to get married and have kids. Like in a perfect world, we could all take our time. But that's not how science works. Like we all are on our own journeys at our own clocks. And like to really steal that from a young woman is. It's to me. And I don't see people talking about this like that's his biggest crime. That's what he's most guilty of. Jail.
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A
Yeah. That's like so sad. I see like I feel like in my personal life and then also just you hear stories like you hear these things happening and that's what is so sad. Like starting over at this age when you were very excited about.
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B
And by the way, she's still young but like, you know what I mean?
- [35:08]
A
Yeah. No, but you were.
- [35:09]
B
It's prime years you wasted.
- [35:10]
A
And also it takes time to meet someone to confirm that that's the right person to get married, to start having children to get over your ex first.
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B
Yeah.
- [35:18]
A
Like so I think that's also something that she's really grieving. But it was just kind of sad to see this person who's just been so beat down by the world and she's such a beautiful girl. Not that, you know, if she weren't beautiful, it wouldn't be sad, but like.
- [35:35]
B
She would deserve it.
- [35:36]
A
Okay. But she's exceptionally beautiful and yeah, she doesn't even see herself that way.
- [35:42]
B
Yeah.
- [35:43]
A
That she's so sweet and kind hearted. This person doesn't have like a mean bone in their body and that was. It's just a very sad situation. I don't think Matt James is the devil. I think the way that the.
- [35:56]
B
No.
- [35:56]
A
He posted the breakup was, was Very wrong and unkind. And she said she has spoken to him since and he regrets that. And that is what it is. Like, that's the story.
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B
Also, I also feel like, because it's so fresh, like, it's great that we got the tea in a matter of days, but, like, things like this really require time to heal. I feel like you could tell in a lot of the things that she was saying. Like, still very much like wanting people to think well of him and not wanting to, like, drag him, which is a really lovely thing to do for somebody you loved for so long. And it's nice to see. But I do think, like, if there was more there, we would not get it at this stage. Like, it was almost too soon to do, like a big tell all because you're still very much like, in a. In a phase of mourning. You haven't even remotely started healing yet.
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A
Yeah, I agree. I feel like I could see in the future, like, her sharing more nefarious behavior from him, but in this moment, it sounded like she didn't want to make him out to be a villain. And I think that was also her lack of confidence. Maybe she'll see it differently as her confidence grows. She keeps saying, like, maybe I missed it. Maybe this was wrong. I shouldn't have done this. Like, it was. She was just blaming herself for so many things. And so, yes, maybe in time as she can see it more clearly in hindsight and also can build her confidence back up.
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B
Right.
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A
That more she will share more and maybe see some of these situations a little differently.
- [37:20]
B
Yeah, that's like, this is like one of the situations where, like, once she's on the other side of it and she ends up in, like, a good relationship, which I have faith that she will. She will. It'll really be such a stark difference. Like, she will see what it's like to be loved by somebody, like, without conditions, without time limits, with just like, open. And hopefully that's the type of relationship she'll find herself in. And that I feel like for so many girls, when they get out of those relationships where they're just not being treated like the queens that they need to be. And it's not until somebody really treats them so normally and well that you realize how bad you had it.
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A
Yeah.
- [37:50]
B
You've just come to sort of expect this type of treatment.
- [37:52]
A
Yeah. Also something that she said that I thought was kind of red flag, but then it wasn't followed up with was they were talking about, like, the food element in the relationship and, like, the content Creation. He's a food creator. Like, she would always, like, pick the restaurants, and she, like, always wanted to do a really good job for him. So he had something to post about. And she said every meal that they went to in their relationship, they were filming miserable experience. She said, every meal. And I would. I would have just been like, every single meal. And if so, like, that's weird that you can't go to one.
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B
Yeah.
- [38:23]
A
Restaurant. What if you like a restaurant that's, like, not that cool and you just, like, going there?
- [38:27]
B
Or what if you just want to.
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A
Go and post about?
- [38:29]
B
Do you know how many meals I've been to looking like a rat? Like, what if I don't want to film?
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A
Yeah.
- [38:34]
B
And by the way, I'm literally married to most annoying food content creator on the planet. But, like, there are rules, right? It seems like she just had no say. Like, he was very much in control of every part of the relationship. And by the way, some people like being in. In relationships like that where there's very much, like, a person in control, person making decisions, whether it's the man or the woman. Some people really do like that. And some people find comfort in not having to, like, you know, think about a million things. Like, yeah, he booked the flights. Like, some people like that. And it seems like that's the type of partner he was. And if he had given her just, like, a little bit more respect and, like, love, she would have been okay.
- [39:10]
A
With it because she just loved him so much. That's the thing. He broke up with her.
- [39:15]
B
Right, Right, right.
- [39:18]
A
So that's the story on their relationship. Crazy. Like, it's kind of actually not. It's kind of what you expected. It's like the relationship ran its course. But to me, I just got sort of hung up on at the time when he, like, dumped her on live television and, like, didn't have her back in that moment, even though he knew her as a person, you know, like, do you think she was a bad person this time that you were falling in love with her?
- [39:40]
B
Right.
- [39:41]
A
So that he didn't defend her. I was like, how can she forgive him? Like, how do you.
- [39:44]
B
How can they recover?
- [39:46]
A
And instead. Instead it was like, it wasn't. She forgave him. She never held that against him, she said, ever it was. But the person that made her into, like, she was not healed. And it's hard.
- [39:58]
B
Exactly what you said, like, that they entered into, like, the full part of their relationship after the breakup on tv, like, in just a really bad spot. So, like, they got off on the. Really? Like a bad foot.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And they never corrected it.
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A
Yeah. Because I think. Well, I think he wasn't helpful in helping her, like, heal and grow, but also she needed to do that, too. And I don't. I don't even know. She didn't even say that on the episode. I don't know if she realized.
- [40:22]
B
No. A lot of people are just, like, surmising that from her performance on the interview. You just, you read people. And she's not reading as somebody who's, like, overly confident or she's reading as somebody's very sensitive and very soft spoken and has sort of been. I don't like to use this phrase, but like, beaten down a little bit into, like, this sort of shell of a person that's.
- [40:43]
A
Yeah, I said she's been beat down by the world. I would. I would say that. And I don't know what she was like before she went on the show. It'd be interesting to hear from, like, her family, her friends, like, just to know. But I feel like she's probably always been, like, relatively soft spoken, but to make like. I think she just never forgave herself. And you can't live like that. And so I. It was sad.
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B
Sad. Yeah. That's the takeaway, I think.
- [41:10]
A
Yeah. For everyone. But I. I think there's. It's easy for people and it's funny. The people who are, like, so quick to, like, be like, Matt James is terrible. It's like, what were you saying about Rachel four years ago? You just like, whichever way. The wind.
- [41:22]
B
With the wind. Yeah. It's so true, you know? Yeah.
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A
Are you ready for our next story?
- [41:27]
B
Yeah.
- [41:28]
A
It's about a big podcast fan because Travis Kelsey has revealed that Taylor Swift listens to New Heights every week.
- [41:36]
B
They talked about Taylor a lot on this episode of New Heights.
- [41:38]
A
Yeah. Travis Kelsey revealed on Wednesday's episode of New Heights how often Taylor listens to the show. She. He said she listens every week. He told their intern Brandon. So Brandon was talking on the show because apparently Taylor paid him some high compliments, like, about his work on the show. And he said, like, you can't tell me nothing ever again. Like, it's over for you. He said she was very complimentary of the show. She gave us some creative compliments. Let me be very clear. You can't tell me for the rest of my life. This is what intern Brandon said. He said, I'm going to be obnoxious. Like, do you know who you're talking to? I was very appreciative of it. When somebody of that creative caliber pays you a compliment, you're like, oh, true.
- [42:16]
B
I don't know why. Like, he said.
- [42:18]
A
He said he plans to be a complete narcissist from here on out.
- [42:22]
B
I, I. And you would do it, too. I don't know if, like, if you had asked me, do I think Taylor listens to every episode, I think I would have said yes. Like, she seems like that type of partner. Like, really supportive.
- [42:32]
A
Yes. But it's just crazy.
- [42:35]
B
She's also busy. Like, who has the time?
- [42:37]
A
Yeah. And it's just crazy when you think about, like, our husbands never listen to our podcast.
- [42:41]
B
Oh, you know what? I didn't even think of that in this moment. Yeah, you're right.
- [42:44]
A
You don't listen to your husband's weekly or.
- [42:47]
B
That's true. That's so true.
- [42:48]
A
Every episode. You don't.
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B
Every single one. Yeah, but actually, let me tell you, I don't.
- [42:53]
A
When you and Ben were dating, if he had a weekly podcast, you would listen to every single episode.
- [42:59]
B
Let's not forget, Taylor and I are in different boats. You know, she's trying to get engaged. I got it. Like, I'm chill. I guess maybe if Ben had, like, started a podcast while we were dating, I would listen. Yeah. For, like, first of all, it's a good insight into, like, you know, oh, he's talking about this movie he likes. I could be like, oh, I love that movie too. I would say Cheat Sheet. It's a cheat sheet.
- [43:14]
A
It's a cheat sheet. Also, like, what is. Is there anything, like, nefarious? He's saying, like, I need to know. It's a window into his mind, which, when you're dating someone, that's all you want. I do think Travis and Taylor are engaged now, but still, like, until you're, like, sat up, married for 10 years, like, you can't get comfortable. You've got. Yeah, you take.
- [43:35]
B
We just had dinner with Ben's parents, and, like, they love the good guys. They listen every week, and they're always, like, bringing up, like, that was so funny when Josh said this. And let me tell you, I have no idea what they're talking about. I literally. I was at dinner the other night, I was just like, oh, my. That was so funny. I just, like, nod my head and nobody asked. I know Ben knows that I don't listen, but I think, like, his parents really sweetly assume that I probably do. And they're like, how funny was that? I'm like, they are so hysterical, those good guys. Like, I'M just actually playing a part.
- [44:01]
A
That is so funny.
- [44:02]
B
And yes, I haven't listened probably since like, the. When they first started releasing. I would, like, listen, just make sure they weren't saying anything crazy. And then they got like, a good. So now I don't need to listen. Like, they're fly Butterfly.
- [44:12]
A
Right, Right. So it actually is not surprising that she does listen to every episode. But yes, certainly that is commitment. But she listens to. It seems like she has a lot of time for content because she listens to every album under the sun. To know all the lyrics to every word, to sing along at award shows.
- [44:30]
B
It seems like.
- [44:30]
A
Do they watch a lot of television? Travis has said they watch Love is Blind. Like, if you got.
- [44:34]
B
She reads a lot of.
- [44:35]
A
Watch a lot of stuff. She reads a lot of books too.
- [44:38]
B
Because I think she also, like, got to a point in her life where she didn't want to only write music about her own life. So she started referencing, like, great novels and movies and TV shows. Like, everybody knows Death by a Thousand Cuts is about that random movie with Gina Rodriguez on Netflix. It was actually really good. Oh, clean. Excuse me.
- [44:52]
A
Everyone knows that the Great War is about Matthew and Mary. Mary from Downton Abbey.
- [45:01]
B
I don't believe you.
- [45:03]
A
That's.
- [45:03]
B
What. I make that up.
- [45:04]
A
I've told you that before, and you didn't believe me, by the way.
- [45:06]
B
I've never heard that. Now I need to.
- [45:07]
A
Okay, I made that up. Or heard it in a dream. I don't want to be corrected. Just like Long Live is about Joe Jonas. What are you seeing?
- [45:19]
B
I don't know. Maybe it was ego swinging. Maybe it was her. They didn't have any infidelity.
- [45:22]
A
Oh, you're not, like, Googling? Is this about this?
- [45:25]
B
No. All that bloodshed, Crimson clover. Aha. Sweet dream was over. My hand was the one you reached for all throughout the Great War. Always remember tears on the letter. I vowed not to cry anymore if we survive the Great War. No, there are definitely parts.
- [45:38]
A
And he went to the great. He went to World War I, which at the time was called the Great War. Cause they didn't know there would be World War II.
- [45:44]
B
Oh, I. I googled Great War, Downton Abbey. Not realizing Great War is like. Is also a thing. Okay, yeah.
- [45:49]
A
Great War is a historical thing. Isn't that funny to think about, though?
- [45:53]
B
In the Downton Abbey Reddit Great War from Taylor Swift, Midnight is allegedly inspired by Matthew and Mary. Is there a source to confirm this? Wait, seriously? People are just, like, questioning it. So you didn't make it up because I'm seeing it elsewhere.
- [46:06]
A
It's definitely swirling.
- [46:09]
B
I love that. I could see it.
- [46:11]
A
Just like Champagne problems is about seven husbands dropped your hand while dancing.
- [46:15]
B
That's a theory.
- [46:17]
A
I like it.
- [46:18]
B
Me too. No, you could definitely tell. Like, sometimes I'm like, oh, I read this book. When you're listening, she totally reads. Like, the swirly books.
- [46:25]
A
Yeah. Like, it ends with us.
- [46:28]
B
Totally love that movie.
- [46:32]
A
So then the other takeaway from this story is that Taylor is in the podcast app.
- [46:37]
B
I wonder what else she's clicking around.
- [46:38]
A
Our big ugly faces.
- [46:40]
B
I mean, I don't know how you can miss us. We do so many episodes.
- [46:43]
A
Like, it's true. Unless she, like, only subscribes to new heights. She go, it's in her homepage.
- [46:47]
B
Or unless, like, Travis, like, puts it on like a. Like a video file and just sends it to her. Like, she doesn't actually open the app store.
- [46:53]
A
It's actually harder to listen to. That way it's easier. They make it so easy on Apple podcasts. Or Spotify.
- [46:58]
B
No, and by the way, too be clear, she's watching it. Like, let's be real. On YouTube.
- [47:01]
A
Totally. If I'm listening to something on Spotify, a podcast, then when I get in my car, it's playing from the same place I. That's like a life hack.
- [47:10]
B
Yeah. Do you think Taylor, like, pays for Spotify? She gets a free account. Like, how does that work?
- [47:15]
A
Interesting.
- [47:16]
B
When you bring billions of streams to actually make you subscribe.
- [47:21]
A
I don't know.
- [47:22]
B
Just a thought.
- [47:23]
A
They shouldn't make us subscribe. We bring billions of streams, bullions, thousand percent. Are you ready for our next story?
- [47:31]
B
What number?
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A
Three.
- [47:33]
B
Yeah.
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A
It's your fate. Least favorite kind of news. DUI news for Smallville star Tom Welling, also known as.
- [47:40]
B
And I need people to stop calling him Smallville Star. It's Charlie from Cheaper by the Dozen.
- [47:44]
A
It's Cheaper by the Dozen. Star Tom Welling from hero to zero, arrested for a DUI in the parking lot at Arby's. According to police.
- [47:54]
B
Not the Arby's. I missed that small but vital detail.
- [47:57]
A
According to police records obtained by TMZ, he, the 47 year old was arrested in Arby's parking lot in Eureka, California, just after.
- [48:05]
B
Eureka.
- [48:05]
A
It's okay. How would you pronounce this city? Y R E K A.
- [48:11]
B
Wait. Y R E K A. Yeah. Eureka. I would. Yeah.
- [48:18]
A
Just after midnight on Sunday where local police department picked him up for allegedly driving under the influence. His blood alcohol level was reportedly at or above 0.08. That's what it means to get a DUI, but I don't know what his actual was.
- [48:33]
B
Also, I'm like, obviously, I'm never one to, you know, try and help someone in a dui, but, like, he was in the parking lot, so didn't go anywhere.
- [48:41]
A
He must have driven there. Maybe they, like, got it.
- [48:45]
B
Maybe they pulled him over in the parking lot.
- [48:47]
A
Like, yeah, like, maybe the Arby's people were like, there's a drunk guy getting into his car.
- [48:51]
B
Because it sounds like he hadn't, like, had the opportunity yet to drive.
- [48:55]
A
He didn't get drunk at Arby's, so how did he get to, by the way?
- [48:58]
B
What is it just one Arby's in the middle of nowhere? Maybe there were, like, other facilities. A liquor store, a bar.
- [49:03]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [49:05]
B
Chili's. They serve alcohol.
- [49:06]
A
They do. Maybe had an Chili's.
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B
Where do you think? By the way, I found out a fun fact this morning. Where do you think Chili's originated? Like, if you had to guess, what, U.S. city.
- [49:20]
A
Houston.
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B
It's actually an amazing guess. It's Dallas.
- [49:24]
A
Oh, wow. I didn't know. I just didn't know that I deserve points.
- [49:27]
B
I don't know if what I would have said.
- [49:30]
A
What are you. What would you have said?
- [49:32]
B
I don't know. I feel like it was started in an airport. Like, I don't know. I don't know.
- [49:36]
A
Like, what's your association? Like, Tri Airport. No, it's not Tri State at all.
- [49:40]
B
No, it's airport.
- [49:42]
A
There's airports everywhere.
- [49:43]
B
Maybe Florida.
- [49:44]
A
I thought that's what you might say.
- [49:46]
B
Yeah. Just a fun fact I saw on Facebook.
- [49:48]
A
I. I love fun facts from Facebook.
- [49:50]
B
I'm, like, constantly getting targeted with, like, the most turnt AI news. Like, it's like, Bravo AI generated news.
- [49:56]
A
Me too. It's all these on Facebook, clickbait things about Paige and Craig.
- [50:00]
B
Yes.
- [50:01]
A
And, oh, we have the same Facebook account. That's fine.
- [50:03]
B
Oh, right.
- [50:04]
A
And it's like, Madison lacroix speaks up against Paige, and, like, you can't even click anywhere to read what Madison lacroix allegedly said.
- [50:12]
B
It's muckraking at its finest.
- [50:15]
A
It is. Are you ready for our next story?
- [50:18]
B
Oh, wait, back to Smallville. Can we just talk about it really quickly?
- [50:20]
A
Shame on you. Do better, Tom.
- [50:22]
B
Shame on you. Obviously. But, like, could this be more cliche? Like, you not only you played Charlie. What was her last name in the movie? Like, he was Charlie.
- [50:30]
A
Like, Charlie.
- [50:31]
B
Classic American name. Right.
- [50:33]
A
Cheaper by the dozen. Let me see the Family name Baker. Baker, Charlie Baker.
- [50:40]
B
Like, he was just this all American football star. He was so hot. And then he also had this career as the Smallville guy, which we never watched. But he was like this young heartthrob playing like a neighborhood kid who becomes like Superman or whatever. And for like him to end up in a dui, like, it's seriously entail as old as time. Like, be a little less cliche. Charlie Baker, honestly.
- [50:57]
A
Yeah, but it's cliche for a reason.
- [50:59]
B
Right now.
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A
Are you ready for our next story? No.
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B
Is it our next story? That's brought to you by my absolute favorite TV show, the Flip Off.
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A
Yes.
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B
So we've got something super exciting to tell you guys about the premiere of HGTV's new buzzy series, the Flip Off. You don't wanna miss it. Christina Haack, Tarek El Moussa. Sort of American royalty heroes. Royalty. They were married, the king and queen of flipping shows. And then they got divorced. And now, after 10 years of history, drama, and new marriages, the exes are ready to face off to prove who's the best flipper around in the Flip Off. So Tarek and his new wife, who we all know from one of our favorite TV shows, Heather Ray El Moussa, are entering a flipping competition against Christina. And the goal is to flip the house of the biggest payoff. So it's HGTV at its best. You know, stunning transformations, competitive banter, but also some deeply raw and at times uncomfortable personal moments. So it's not all glamor. It's really real and really captivating. We're gonna see Christina and this moment went viral. I don't know if you guys saw it. Christina and her now ex husband, Josh hall, they were still married at the time, having this, like, literally terrible exchange in a car. It was so awkward. And then Christina goes and, like, tells Tarek about it. Like, it's very layered, these people. So we have all the drama, but also the heart of the series. Their design, chops, eye for style, and did we mention guest appearances? Each week, notable celebrities like Amanda Smith from Selling Sunset, Heather Dubrow from Orange County Housewives are showing up. And the most surprising, Christina's second husband and stead, who's just one of our favorite people to talk about, he will be on the show as well. And all these guests will be judging the competitions to determine the best weekly win. So mark your calendars, get ready for the Flip Off. It's must watch tv. And the reunion of Tarek and Christina is just the cherry on top Tune into the premiere Wednesday, January 29th. That's tonight at 8, 7 Central and see who wins in the first of its kind competition you don't want to miss. Today's episode is also brought to you by Fay Nutrition. If you have promised yourself that in 2025 you're going to be eating better, but you have already found yourself failing, there's nothing wrong with getting some help to meet your goals. And that's why we're excited to partner with Fay. So if your relationship with food could use an upgrade, Faye is a revolutionary program that connects you with your own personal registered dietitian, making expert nutrition guidance accessible and affordable for everyone. So whether you're looking to help, you know, looking for help, losing weight, improving your general health, managing a health condition, Faye has a dietitian that's right for you. And the best part is that all dietitians on Faye accept insurance. With over 700 insurance plans accepted, so you'll likely pay $0 out of pocket if you're tired of one size fits all diet plans. Generic nutrition advice. If you. A lot of people, I think like struggle with different conditions like hormone imbalances, there can be a lot of things that you would need a nutritionist for besides like the obvious. If you want to, you know, lose weight, get in shape, that's great, but there's a million reasons. So dietitians on Faye are going to work with you on a one to one basis to create a customized program tailored to your specific needs. It's much more than a diet plan. They focus on clinically proven methods to improve your relationship with food. Instill positive long term habits. 93% of FA clients report an improved relationship with food. 85% reach their target weight. And a third party study showed that clients lost 2.9 more weight with than when working with a dietitian through Fay compared to comparable weight loss programs. So achieve lasting results with the help of registered dietitian through Fay. Listeners of the toast can qualify to see a registered dietitian for as little as $0 by visiting Fay Nutrition. F A Y nutrition.com toast that's faynutrition.com toast fay nutrition.com toast and make sure to use that link so they know that we sent you.
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A
Thank you. Tay Nutrition.
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B
You're unbelievably welcome.
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A
Our next story is a bit of a think piece because a woman has gone viral on TikTok after slamming period piece actors for having botox and lip fillers. So it's a very interesting debate. Are period actors allowed to look like they've just stepped off a Hollywood red carpet, according to one impassioned tick tocker. No, they can't. A tick tocker went viral in which she disrespectfully stated that actors cannot star in a period piece if they've looked like they've had Botox and lip fillers done. She doubled down on her opinion in the caption writing, like, you should never even get past the audition.
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B
You know, I happen to agree with her, but I don't know if it's specific to period pieces. First of all, like, if you're gonna be an actor who emotes and your face doesn't move, that's just beyond, you know, contradictory.
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A
Oh, well, that's a sign.
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B
But I hear what she's saying. I hear what she's saying. Like, in the modern world, like, we look different than women in the 30s did. And that's because a lot of us do preventative Botox filler. Now, I think there is a way in which you, you can look at someone and say, oh, my God, they have a ton of filler and Botox. And then you can look at someone and be like, oh, I didn't realize. And they could have it. So I think, I don't think her blanket statement applies here because some actors, like, have it and we wouldn't even know. You know, maybe like a little bit of lip filler, that's allowed. But I agree, like, having these sort of like, Instagram model looking people being in a Downton Abbey, like, is confusing.
- [55:32]
A
Yeah, no, the lip filler is. When you can see it, like, that is confusing. I also feel that way about natural breasts, if I may.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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A
And I also talk about the breasts. I do feel like it really enhances the piece when it, the people do look authentic. I remember when, even when I watched 1883, like, the girly who totally looks like an Instagram girly, but she's also just gorgeous. Like, she had a hairy armpit. And that is true to the time, authentic. And so I am kind of with this person now. I don't think that, like, everyone needs to now be screened for Botox and filler. It's like, no, no, no, pass. Can I tell, do you look like someone from this age? But then it also comes down to hair extensions. Another one, girl.
- [56:13]
B
Exactly what show she was referencing?
- [56:15]
A
Acrylic nails.
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B
Oh, a thousand percent.
- [56:18]
A
Yeah. There are a lot of modern day things, but then makeup, makeup in general, they had. But that's makeup.
- [56:23]
B
Right? But then it's also like, on the costume department to find those things. Like, when you think about Game of Thrones, I remember when there was that one water bottle in the background of Game of Thrones, and everybody talked about it, like, that's how committed the show was to being, like, super authentic, like medieval times or whatever. You didn't see any of that. It was natural titties, you know, hair that looked. It was long because I have extensions, because, like, girls didn't cut their hair back then. Like, it was very authentic. True to the time.
- [56:47]
A
I think that it is an enhancement to the show when you have people who do look true to the time. And I think that period pieces that want to be taken really seriously should aspire to that.
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B
I agree, and I don't think she's wrong.
- [57:02]
A
But then there's, like, Bridgerton, which is not a period piece that wants to be taken seriously, in my opinion.
- [57:06]
B
Okay. Bridgerton.
- [57:07]
A
Bridgerton likes being a modern take. Like, even just everything about it is modern.
- [57:15]
B
Yeah, that's true. I don't think they're trying to be, like, completely, you know, London, 1800s or whatever. It is, like, authentic.
- [57:22]
A
Yeah. No, they're not. They use modern music that's set to orchestral instruments. Like, I think that they like that. So I'm not even considering Bridgerton here because it is like a. I wouldn't.
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B
Call it a period piece.
- [57:34]
A
Yeah, no. And there are a lot of things about it that are obviously ahistorical. It's like a utopian historical fiction. Like, that is what it is. But 1883, Downton Abbey, game of Thrones, like, those ones. And they are very serious, and they get a lot of acclaim for awards. I. I feel this. As long as you can't tell that it's filler or Botox, I think. Yeah. No extensions.
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B
No, the titties is a really good point.
- [57:58]
A
Yeah. That's another one.
- [57:59]
B
You know, everybody was dripping low, like, back in the day.
- [58:02]
A
Yeah. And even if it's not a nude scene, like, you see it in people's clothes, in their silhouette.
- [58:06]
B
Yep.
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A
So just something to think about.
- [58:10]
B
And I think it could be good for women in Hollywood to not have to keep up with this impossible standard.
- [58:13]
A
Yeah. Especially as they make more and more recreations. This actually could be setting people free.
- [58:19]
B
Thousand percent from the shackles of beauty standards.
- [58:22]
A
It's true. Let's. Let's rewind.
- [58:24]
B
Yeah.
- [58:25]
A
And it is always interesting.
- [58:26]
B
I wish that I could rewind to.
- [58:27]
A
See what people truly looked like back then. How they styled their hair, the clothes that they wore without A modern spin on it.
- [58:35]
B
That's one of my favorite things is, like, all these, like, random, like, history accounts that either, like, through AI or like, restore old video footage to see what people on the street looked like. And when you take the elevator in one of these old buildings in New York, you get to, like, as you go up, you see what New York looks like on this particular street as the time evolves. And you see people, too. And like, literally, like, girlies, like, were different looking.
- [58:56]
A
Yeah. They. The way their hair dried was different. Like, they didn't have flat hair. How come we all have flat hair now? What's that?
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B
I feel like we've had this conversation too about a lot of. I don't think suffered from acne. Like, the. Not only the air was cleaner, but, like, the. They weren't putting so much on their face. Chemicals.
- [59:14]
A
Yeah. Maybe they had more freckles without sunscreen.
- [59:19]
B
Right.
- [59:19]
A
It's just very interesting to think about. I remember one show I was watching last year. I forget which one. Like, they. There was a baby in the show and they brought out a baby bottle, which. But it was like one from 150 years ago. It was like this little glass boat. And it was just so interesting. It must have been an actual, like, historic. That's accurate and it's interesting.
- [59:39]
B
Yes.
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A
We're here to learn. We are here to learn.
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B
Thousand percent.
- [59:44]
A
So I'm with this girl and so what? She said it harshly.
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B
So what?
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A
Listen up.
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B
Wow. I didn't know they were having these types of conversations on Tick Tock. I'm obviously on the wrong side of tick Tock because my tick tock is, like, brain dead. I've never heard, like, anybody having, like, good intellectual conversations. That's on me, though. That's on my algorithm.
- [60:00]
A
Okay, well, just talk loudly about how you want more historical factoids on your tick tock.
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B
I wonder if people with Botox should be in period pieces.
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A
Good job. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? A little sports news.
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B
What's going on in the sports world?
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A
And I do feel like this is a kickoff to a theme of conversations we're going to be having for the next two weeks, which is super bowl commercials. So super bowl ad prices top $8 million as a surge fuels Fox sales. So unfortunately, Turdi, we can't get a Super bowl commercial this year. There's always next year. Okay.
- [60:33]
B
We can start fundraising today, but I guess that's. That is hopeful for, like, the future of cable. I feel like even big cable moments in the last couple of Years, like, big award shows. Like, it's all going down. Super bowl is, like, the only thing that's going up and that has not been taken over by a streamer. Yeah.
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A
The executive vice president of sales at Fox Sports said the super bowl is the only place where you can aggregate legitimate scale with one commercial.
- [60:57]
B
Yeah.
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A
It's not like any other thing. Like, one people. In that moment, 40 million people will see your commercial. And if it is a successful commercial, it will continue to have impressions online as people talk about ripple effect. Like, it's very true. I do think it's worth the money. It's how a new brand can make a splash. If you just, like, do no other paid advertising for the year, save up, get a Super bowl commercial, and it's how the old mainstays stay relevant. Protect the throne.
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B
No, it's so true. It's my favorite.
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A
Like, on.
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B
Me and Ben were just talking. We were like, what should we do for the Super Bowl? We could do xyz. And I'm like, I don't like going to super bowl parties because, first of all, like, I like football. I'm not like other girls. I actually want to watch a game. And two, I feel like when you're at a Super bowl party during the commercials, people, like, go and talk and are loud. Like, you do what you would normally do during a commercial break. And it's, excuse me, I'm trying to watch.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I'm so cool. Like, I really care about football. Like, I really need to be locked in these. You guys probably listening. You guys don't understand because I'm not like you.
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A
No. And you're such, like, a media magnate that you need to see all the commercials. You're an advertising for me. Big wig.
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B
This is work for me.
- [62:06]
A
She's Don Draper when she's watching the Super Bowl.
- [62:10]
B
So, yeah, we're just gonna have, like, a low key super bowl at home.
- [62:12]
A
I agree. We were just thinking, because when we hosted people to watch a game on Sunday, we're like, what are we doing for the Super Bowl?
- [62:18]
B
Right?
- [62:18]
A
And I agree. I don't know if I want to have a lot of people over because then I'm like, like, cooking all day. Like, on Sunday, towards the end of my cooking expedition, like, I was broken. Like, I couldn't do another thing. I had a loaf of sourdough that was proofing all day, and I couldn't even be bothered to shape it. And so I put it in the fridge, and it's still in the fridge. I have to throw it in the garbage.
- [62:36]
B
Yeah.
- [62:37]
A
I couldn't do another thing. That's not what I want to do for the Super Bowl. I agree. I just want to watch it like I would any other football game and.
- [62:41]
B
Like, appreciate it a thousand percent. It's also just, like, enjoyable, like, because I'm not like other girls. Like, I enjoy it, so I want to watch it.
- [62:49]
A
Yeah, you're so.
- [62:50]
B
I don't know if I mentioned you're so. Yeah. Okay. Did I mention that I'm, like, really into football?
- [62:55]
A
I feel like you've, like, alluded to it before.
- [62:57]
B
Right.
- [62:57]
A
But it wasn't clear.
- [62:59]
B
I don't like to brag because, like, all these guys are like, wow, turning. You're so cool. Like, it's. It's annoying, you know?
- [63:05]
A
Anyways, commercials are going for $8 million. Some of them are starting to come out. The Hellman's one that you alluded to. It is out there. It's Joe and Schmo from Blow.
- [63:14]
B
Harry and Sally. Okay. Yeah. I didn't know if it was out because, like, I was under embargo. Not me knowing about this for, like, two weeks.
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A
And a special cameo from Sydney Sweeney in the commercial.
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B
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
- [63:24]
A
So that's one. Looking forward to it. I'm not the type to watch them before. I want to have no experience.
- [63:30]
B
No, it ruins it.
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A
Yeah, I. That's one part of this whole thing that I would pull back on. Like, I don't like when brands show us the commercial before. It's the element of surprise is fab.
- [63:42]
B
No, I mean also, like, they do, like, lead up campaigns. Like, I know that Uber Eats is doing something with Matthew McConaughey because now they're running like, a Matthew McConaughey commercial that teases, like, coming soon, February 9th. It's like. It's a commercial.
- [63:53]
A
Yeah, but they spent a lot that I don't like.
- [63:55]
B
I know.
- [63:56]
A
If you spend money, give it to me on something, like, you'd want to show it to the world every day.
- [64:01]
B
It's just. It's becoming a lot. Like, it's. You get the four hours of the game, you get the commercials. Like, that's all you get.
- [64:07]
A
Yeah. And you don't get.
- [64:08]
B
I don't like to give attention to, like, people who are doing too much. You know, it's true.
- [64:12]
A
You have to walk the line.
- [64:14]
B
Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was on last night. And to be honest, I'm actually getting so over this current plot line. And I'm glad it appears that we put it to bed last night. But they took it, like, one episode too far. Like, I've now been listening to, like, Kyle and, like, defend her actions and Dorit being mad.
- [64:29]
A
Her.
- [64:30]
B
Like, I've listened to it the entire season thus far. Like, I haven't heard one other thing. The episode. Parts of the episode that I found really enjoyable were, like, you know, Garcelle and Sutton, like, really not letting Kyle get away with a singular mishap. Like, when she invited them all out to lunch to apologize, even though, like, she wasn't doing it to apologize. She was doing it to, like, rattle rally the troops. Sutton was like, well, so what are you apologizing for? Because she did say it in a weird way. Like, I'm not sorry for what I said. I'm sorry for how I said it. But I mean, what I said, but I didn't say it in the way that I wanted to. So I actually appreciated Sutton being like, you called us here. Just, what the fuck? Like, what are you. What are you sorry about?
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A
Yeah, and she's just like, all of it. It, like, which.
- [65:03]
B
Right.
- [65:04]
A
Say it right.
- [65:04]
B
Which part? Which one?
- [65:05]
A
And so I appreciated Sutton, like, making. Trying to get the apology to be real in earnest. But then also, then Erica comes in, and she really is, like, such a. A compassionate friend because she was like, everyone here has been through a divorce. Like, you're at your worst. So you didn't act 100. Like, Garcelle writing in whole email to CIA, like, cut the lady some slack. And then I feel like, okay, cut the lady some slack. However, when she said that Kyle also needs to cut Dorit some slack because Dorit is going through the same thing. And because she can't do that for Dorit, why should we do it for her? However, we should still do it for her because that's called being the bigger person. Is.
- [65:40]
B
And I know that we got, like, some resolution. I know we got resolution. And, like, technically, this is put to bed. But, like, what Kyle was saying in her side interviews about how, like, she can't believe she can't be friends with both PK and Dorit, like, and Jet, something she's going to have to, like, deal with. Like, are you fudgeing serious? Like, and I wish that Dorit would bring up the fact that she has not spoken to Mauricio, like, since they got divorced, because that's what girls do. Like, that's just normal protocol. And the way that Kyle's acting, like, this is such an inconvenience, and it's going to be so challenging and so Unexpected that she would have to only stay, you know, Dorit's friend and not PK's in a very contentious divorce. Like, why she acted like this is her first time on planet earth.
- [66:15]
A
Yeah. I don't know why that is so hard for her and why she is really two faced in her confessionals and with the girls. Because with the girls, like, she keeps saying girls, girl. Of course. Like, of course. And then in her confessional, she's just like, well, PK's been a better friend to me. And, like, as if it's not like, blanket, I have the woman's side, period.
- [66:36]
B
If I'm Dorit and I'm watching that, like, her confessionals are undoing any ounce of goodwill she's earning on that beach.
- [66:40]
A
I completely agree.
- [66:42]
B
So it's like, that's. That's such frustrating show, like TV to watch.
- [66:44]
A
Yeah.
- [66:45]
B
Then we're like, we're making resolution.
- [66:46]
A
Just wait for the reunion.
- [66:48]
B
So, honestly, I'm so ready to stop talking about these two. I don't know what. What, like, comes next, but I. I can't deal with these two anymore. Like, Kyle's seriously egregious. And Erica, every, like, does make good points. I think that she's right. Like, I wish everyone would lay off, but when she's, you know, going in on the argument between Dorit and Kyle, I think she gives Kyle, like, a little too much.
- [67:07]
A
Yeah, Grace.
- [67:09]
B
But I agree, like, her reminding everybody to, like, give this person grace is helpful because I. I don't. And I need that reminder. But when it comes to Dorit, like, Kyle's so fucking wrong.
- [67:17]
A
No. And because Kyle won't give Dorit an ounce of grace, and then we're expected to give that to Kyle, and that's just confusing. She wants what give.
- [67:28]
B
Let's talk about that. Like, nasty things Sutton said at Kyle's house when Dorit was telling everybody about Jaguar Jagger, whatever his name is, asking if her and her dad. His. His dad were getting divorced. And Sutton just, like, completely cut her.
- [67:40]
A
Off and was like, let's get on the bus.
- [67:43]
B
Yeah.
- [67:43]
A
Yeah, that was weird. And I do think it is, like, a Sutton issue because then they flashback. And by the way, whoever is working the flashbacks this season deserves a raise.
- [67:54]
B
Kyle obviously, like, snubbed an editor once who never forgot, and now this editor is like, oh, this is my opportunity to destroy this woman. They're pulling footage that I haven't seen in years. They are not that Denise thing.
- [68:07]
A
Not only are they pulling the obvious moments, and I'm glad they Keep pulling the moment last season where Dorit says to Kyle, I'm having this feeling of, are PK and I gonna make it? Is this how this ends? And then you also see Kyle saying, dorit never inferred. Told me that they had issues. They continue to show that, and that is so important. But then they just start flashing back when nobody was, like, holding anyone's feet to the fire. Sutton with the robbery, which I would have completely forgotten.
- [68:32]
B
Oh, my God.
- [68:33]
A
Same about how her designer was stuck at customs.
- [68:36]
B
Yep.
- [68:37]
A
And she does have a pattern of just being, like, very Sutton focused in emotional moments, which isn't a good trait.
- [68:47]
B
No. But this editor, like, they are seriously doing the lord's work. My. The most frustrating thing that Kyle did this episode was like, she called that lunch. Which I love that everybody knew what the lunch was like. They were just calling her out. But she said she called lunch because we really. She needs to have a referendum on how we all, you know, communicate. Like, with somebody going. And it's like, well, now that it's happening to you.
- [69:07]
A
Right.
- [69:08]
B
You need to have a referendum. But when it was Denise. But when it was Erica with flashback.
- [69:11]
A
Editor showing us that Kyle party line, apparently the entire time she's been on the show, which is something I never talk about. It's not like, the most interesting thing that a person could say is that, like, when something is happening in your personal life, we're going to talk about it. That's what we do.
- [69:24]
B
She said, like, now that it's out there, that we have to talk about it. So now the rules change because your thing is out there.
- [69:28]
A
Right.
- [69:29]
B
And I actually don't see, like, how she's not self aware enough to see how hypocritical that is. Like, you look so stupid.
- [69:34]
A
Yeah. And Denise is right. It's like, no, I don't. How about, no, we don't.
- [69:38]
B
Yeah. Well, now Kyle agrees with Dorit. I mean, with Denise.
- [69:42]
A
And there have been so many things that have happened in their world that never came up on the show. Like some of the Mauricio rumors that were so squashed so early on. Like, yeah, you would be a terrible person for bringing up.
- [69:56]
B
Never bring it up. Dorit's financial issues.
- [69:58]
A
The woman chasing Dorit around in the Bahamas. Bahamas at the pool. And they were filming for that. Nobody brought it up. Which, like, you can have some respect for some of the things that people are going through privately. Not everything needs to be excavated on the show. But Kyle didn't go for that in the past.
- [70:14]
B
No. And Kyle Just has a history of, you know, her mantra is, like, you know. Well, it's out there.
- [70:19]
A
Yeah, well, it's out there. Kyle. A lot of. And Morgan Wade, like, a lot of things are out there.
- [70:24]
B
Right. I just can't deal whenever she talks about Morgan Wade being like, my sexuality is being questioned. It's like, that's actually not what happened. You came on the show with a.
- [70:33]
A
Girlfriend you kissed in the music video.
- [70:35]
B
Right. And then you said on the reunion that you were confused about your sexuality.
- [70:40]
A
Yeah. And it's like, she does deserve, like, space to figure things out. But then why bring her on the show? And that's the thing.
- [70:49]
B
You get no space when you make it a storyline you can't. You want. You expect nobody to say, like, who's this lesbian lover of yours?
- [70:56]
A
Matching tattoos. No.
- [70:57]
B
And that's why, like, Garcelle, like, actually, like. Yeah. Are you a lesbian or not? It's like, such a simple question which nobody would ever ask her if she didn't have her girlfriend and her music video on the show last season.
- [71:07]
A
Right. I wouldn't know who Morgan Wade is.
- [71:10]
B
Right.
- [71:11]
A
So, yeah.
- [71:13]
B
It seems it wasn't a revolutionary episode.
- [71:15]
A
No, not at all. I'm already forgetting everything that happened. It seems like the next half of the season, a lot is going to go down between Sutton and Dorit. Did you see the previews?
- [71:25]
B
I didn't actually. I didn't watch the previews for next week.
- [71:28]
A
That's what I'm gleaning.
- [71:30]
B
Sutton, at least it's something different.
- [71:32]
A
Sutton is at the center of things. Well, of course she is, because she keeps inserting herself and wanting to be in on the drama. Like, I'm sure.
- [71:38]
B
Yeah.
- [71:39]
A
She finally got herself inserted into the drama. Congrats.
- [71:44]
B
Well, that's Real Housewives. I feel like there's nothing else. Really. Where the hell is Kathy?
- [71:48]
A
I was thinking that too. She's usually there for the big group moments. I miss her desperately.
- [71:54]
B
Need her. But other than that, that's the show. That's the Toast.
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A
The Turks.
- [72:01]
B
Anything else?
- [72:02]
A
No, that's all for now.
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B
Thank you guys so much for listening to the Toast, the Monday morning show. We deliver the fastest ways you need to Every Monday on YouTube. So you're watching us on YouTube? Please subscribe this video. Thumbs up. We're also available as podcast. And our podcast can be found so at Spotify Town to be.
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A
Love ya. Love you. Bye.