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Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast.
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It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.
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It's your favorite show. The best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off.
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Swirly.
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It's the Toast.
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They sound amazing.
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Welcome back to the toast and happy fry.
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Yay. Fry, yay. Fry dairies. We did it, you guys. First week of the new year in the can.
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I think a lot of people look forward to the first Monday in May. Personally, it's always going to be the first Monday in January.
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For me, the Monday in January, because.
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That means we're back.
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Yeah.
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Depending on where the New Year's falls. Like, we're always just taking off until that first.
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Until that first Monday.
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In a couple of years, the first Monday, like, will be January 2nd, and that will be the worst January 2nd on the planet.
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I agree.
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I just feel like that year one of us needs to get pregnant. So, like, we're on maternity leave.
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Yeah. No, but like, the beginning of the new year is always gangbusters. This week has been so much fun.
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We've been busting the gangs.
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We've been busting the gangs. You're here with me. We're together. Redheads came out last night like I said that it would. Nature is healing.
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Amen to that, sister.
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How are you doing?
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I'm doing well. How am I doing? What did I do last night? What'd you do? I watched the most upsetting documentary, the Perfect Neighbor. Do not watch it.
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I'm not gonna watch it. I was gonna ask, like, do I need to hear about, like, are you gonna tell us about it? I don't.
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So it was. It was an interesting feat in documentary making because it was the first documentary I've ever seen without any interviews, without any experts. The entire thing was comprised of police body camera footage. Like, they told the whole story. It was about this like, crazy woman who, like, lived in this really cute neighborhood with a ton of different kids who were always playing out in the yard, always playing in different yards. It was like this real community and she was this curmudgeon and anytime the kids would be like, even remotely within distance. And she's a renter, by the way.
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I've heard this story.
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It was like a two year long. So they literally show all the body camera footage of every single time she called the police on these like, lovely kids. Every single time. And everyone in the police elder, everyone in the neighborhood knew about this crazy curmudgeon she fudgeing end up killed killing one of their moms and the mom was just like such a fudgeing real one. I was just very upsetting and like they were showing us a lot. I don't want to talk about it actually really upset me.
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I was crying about it. Like it really upset me.
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I was crying.
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Protect your peace.
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Yeah, I know. I didn't know. I was just like looking for something to watch until Traders because Traders was on it.
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9:00Pm that's not going to work.
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Yeah. I'm going to have to get back on our screener shit, you know.
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Oh yeah. We should get wait. I think we do get screen.
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Yeah, I know because I was waiting.
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Up till 9 about screeners. It's been so long because I want to watch like the Valley Persian style.
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I fell asleep at 9:07 so like no. But I will be watching all three episodes of Traders by Monday. So you. If you came here looking for the.
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Traders recap, we said Monday and we did. We wanted to give everyone the weekend.
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To watch it but still stay and enjoy this episode. We're have a grand old time. And then your Traders episode comes out on Monday.
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Yes. I did something craz DC last night. Crack. Crazier.
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Meth crazier.
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I started a book for fun.
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That's insane.
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That's insane. Like not for the redheads, just for fun, to lull myself to sleep. And I chose a book that I had already purchased in my library but never read. Like I was okay.
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Frugal.
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Yeah, like giving economical, like frugal thing that I bought.
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That's my influence.
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Something new.
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That's my influence on you.
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It's not the new Ellen Hildebrand, but a Ellen Hildebrand called Swan Song. And the way she just is right in. She really takes the edge off with books.
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There are like a couple of authors who are like trendy and viral and everybody reads their book that comes out. And I find that more often than not, like it's not worth the hype. But Ellen Hildebrandt, like, is that for a reason? Not all of her books are the best books ever. A couple of her books are the best books ever. But all of her books are good.
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She stays winning 1000. An author you can trust.
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And there's so few things, so few institutions that are trustworthy these days and.
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Like who she is as an author, like is congress with the who she is in real life, the books that she writes. You know, sometimes you can't find your smutty author and it's like, oh, no, not even that.
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I can't read if you have a favorite author. It is imperative that in order for them to remain your favorite author, you never see a picture of them. It just ruins the fantasy smut. Or not. Like, it's true. Like, it's just. It's none of our business. And you know that little flap on the book where they put the author photo? The industry needs to get rid of that. Like, it's just so much of book writing is fantastical. Unless it's a biography, in which case you're on the COVID Like, get rid of author photos. Authors should be a completely blind industry.
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I agree. Speaking of favorite authors. Not to, like, sour the mood again.
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Who did you start beefing with again?
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No, my favorite author passed away. Sophie Kinsella.
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Oh. We never reported on that because it happened over the break. That was really sad. She was very young.
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Yeah. She had brain cancer. She's my favorite author. Short Confessions of a Shopaholic series, amongst other, like, swirly novels that everyone would love. And so in her honor, you should pick up a Sophie Kinsella book. She was seriously one of a kind.
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And, like, her influence on this podcast in indirect ways, like, knows no man. Men like you are the reason I left Finland.
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We love Confessions of a Shopaholic movie spawned from our love of the book, which she wrote. And that movie, like, wasn't appreciated in its own time. People weren't ready for it.
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Well, it also is a movie about, like, excessive spending and wealth, and it hit the theaters, like, the day the market crashed.
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2008. It was bad.
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So Isla Fisher, like, was robbed of her Oscar because of the financial crisis.
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And it's such a shame because there are so many books in the series that are all amazing and hysterical, and.
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They would have gotten the movie adaptation.
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And we would have had amazing movies for life if that movie came out at the right time.
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Yeah.
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But maybe now people, like, can watch and appreciate it.
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I miss the days where books were, like, very rarely adapted into movies and TV shows. Now it's, like, the only films and movies that come out are adaptations, and it's just. It's not good. But I feel like back in the day, when things got adapted, they were, like, chosen. It was special, and they were created with, like, a lot of thought and care.
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And they were created. They weren't just selected. Not created. Like Gossip Girl. Oh, my God.
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Yeah. They became so big. Twilight. You forget that they were based on books.
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Hunger Games.
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Hunger Games, yes. Something Borrowed. Literally the best adaptation of all time. Harry Potter, also an adaptation. Yes. I forgot about that. But I Feel like the books are as big as the movies. Whereas, like, sometimes the movies or the media, like, eclipse the actual book.
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Game of Thrones.
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Yeah, Game of Thrones. Like, who? I actually know one person.
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The show is bigger than the books at this point.
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Much too good for children. Let's do anything. What'd you do last night?
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Oh, you started my book. I edited the Redheads. It was a very intellectual evening for me.
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Whatever the opposite of intellectual is. Like, that's what I did.
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Yeah, but we're gonna have some change going on at the Redheads in order to set us up for success.
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I mean, okay. Not to be, like, make everything about me. I've been telling you for years to hire an editor, Jackie. So you're very me like that. Like, you're so passionate about it. You refuse to let go of any delegate.
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I'm very, like, hands on with the redheads. And one, we're going to have help editing. But two, another thing that I floated past the girls that they were not about video. No, we do record video, but, like, we don't have that big of an audience where, like, we can really be splitting it.
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Right, right.
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You know. Right.
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I guess. But if you want to have a bigger audience, like, you do that through video, just.
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Oh, that's true. No, but we, like, have video if we wanted to do clips or stuff. But it's just, like, it's not pargy and we just, like, you're all in different places.
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It's hard to do video when you're all not in the same state.
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Yeah, we all, like. It's just.
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Okay, but what's the other thing?
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No, so usually I host the show, I do the outline, I do the db. Like, I choose the questions, and then I move the show along for every single. Only when I became pregnant did the girls start doing the recaps, like, summarizing the book that they chose because I was running out of breath and, like, so it, like, necessitated change, which was a good thing. Now everyone just does, like, the brief description.
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I feel like when you choose the book, like, you should get a little bit more homework for the episode.
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So it used to be your homework was that you have to do the summary for anyone who didn't read the book or, like, just to remind us all of what happened in the book. Now I'm like, I think the person who chose the book should lead the episode.
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Okay.
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Choose the questions. I'll help, like, move us along. But, like, you should be the discussion leader if you chose the book. I was editing Last night, I'm like, I'm sick of hearing myself. And I just, I feel like switching it up will just make for and.
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Inject new life into the redheads. Yeah.
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The girls were like, no, but you're so good at it. I'm not, like, really that great at it. And I think you are. I think, I think they could do it. So we are gonna try that. And then we're also gonna have a set date. We always, like, talk a week before the episode. Needs to come out and be like, when can everyone record it? These girls are so busy. We're all so busy. So I think we all sing. So now it's gonna be like the first Monday of the month or, like the Monday before the episode. We record at 3 o' clock every single time. Don't put anything on your calendar that.
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Will make it easier.
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Yeah, the decks. And that gives us then four days to edit. So major change coming to the redheads because we've got, like, it's necessitated.
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I know that was hard for you. Yeah, I'm glad.
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What's hard for me?
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Just, like, offloading, changing.
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No, it's not hard for me. It just never really occurred to me. Like, it was working for so long, and then the last few months, it's not working. We can barely get an episode out. So change is coming to the redheads. It's never too late to become a redhead. Redheads always pops off in January because everyone has, like, New Year's resolutions to read more, right? To, like, do more intellectually stimulating things. And let me make it easy for you. Join the redheads. We read a book a month, and then we do a hysterical podcast episode.
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That'S, like, definitely the cadence at which I'm now reading. If I'm lucky, one book a month.
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You should join the redhead.
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I should.
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I know.
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I, I, I pick and choose the redheads. Like, and also the good thing about the redheads is, like, yes, you can stay tuned every week. You can also just go read a book that you guys have read and then go listen to the episode, which I've done a million times.
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We've read. Not to be crude. 69 books. I feel like we should just, like, end it now.
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Yeah, right.
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I just want to say 69 books is so many books.
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So many books. There was a year that I read 60 books. Like, that's insane.
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That is insane.
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I really had no life.
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Oh, my God.
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Do we have a story today about dibs?
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No.
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You know, Kelsey Ballerini's dog died.
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Oh, I didn't know his name was Dibs. And it's not a story, but I did see that he passed.
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So sad. I feel like a lot of people were following along on that journey and not to, like, genuinely make everything about me, but obviously I felt, like, really.
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Tied to the story.
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Yeah, like, her story was a little bit different than mine, but, like, her soul dog, the dog that she, like, had her most of her adult life, got cancer and then, like, he actually lived with cancer for a year or two. And I feel like on the heels of I sit in parks and then her soul dog dying, like, I just want to make a PR prediction. I do feel like Kelsey Ballerina is going to get pregnant, like, in a year. That's what happens. I'm just saying.
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Yeah, but I think, like, regardless of the dog, like, she's.
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No, no, the dog. No, not regardless of the dog.
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And she like, said in her song, and she's a woman of a certain.
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Age, regardful of the dog. Not regardless. Like, the dog is a huge key player.
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Okay.
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I'm telling you, you heard it here first.
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I feel like that's like saying, you know, Claudia Ashley is going to podcast this year. Like, okay.
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No, it's not. Like. No, it's not.
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Okay. Here's what would be, like, the more.
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Oh, my God, it's so quiet.
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What's the word?
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Oh, girl, you're talking to the wrong person. I don't know.
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What's the word? Like, less predictable.
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Okay.
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Will Chase be the father?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's. Yeah.
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Cool.
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PR prediction. I love that PR prediction. What are the stories today? It's Friday. We have Queenie and Weenie of the Week. I'm really excited for mine. So many people came to mind when it came to weenie.
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Yes. Starting out the year in a weenie like manner. But. But it's never too late to change your year.
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Actually starting a year out in a weenie like manner, it's kind of a good place to start because it's only up from here. You can only become Queenie.
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You don't think, like how you spend the early days of the new year or how you're going to spend your year. That prophecy, it could go either way. Yeah.
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I did want to say something. You know, I've seen a lot of what, like what people are saying online and I kind of wanted to talk about it, if I may.
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You want to address the rumors?
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No, not necessarily address the rumors, but just, like, speak on something, if I could.
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Oh, I love that.
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So, you know the top comment on our YouTube yesterday was that we have too many ads. Like, dedicating 30% of your show to ads is insane. Now I just wanted to like very quickly set some expectations for everybody because we're so. Especially me. I'm so mindful of like the minutes to ads ratio. Yesterday's episode was 50 minutes long, 5o. And the amount of ads we had ran about 7 minutes and 30 seconds. And that's actually not 30%, it's about 15. Actually, I think it's 12. Excuse me. And just so you know, like a standard episode of TV that we all watch without complaining has about 30% of its time being ads. So we're like way under the industry standard. And I just didn't appreciate like people coming for my bag. So I'm always mindful of it. You don't need to be.
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I didn't appreciate it either. I felt like yesterday's episode, I didn't even notice that it was shorter.
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Like it's insane when we put out an episode less than an hour. Like the vitriol that's sent our way. Like, would it be better if we put out a longer episode that like runs on and is boring?
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We're just sort of like dragging.
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We said what we said.
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Yeah, I didn't feel like there was anything left to be said yesterday.
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Me neither. And when I finished, I was like, things we did that I didn't even notice.
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I actually looked at the time and I was like, oh, I guess it's earlier than I thought. Sometimes that happens. Are we not allowed to like have a 50 minute episode?
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But like podcasts are roughly 45 to 60 minutes. That's what like average podcasts do now. Of course we are not average.
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If you want to come for ads to content ratio, like you can't start with us.
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Do not. But if we are coming to. If we are coming for ads to content ratio, like there is a conversation to be had. Not about us.
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Yeah, no. And then like once you talk about everyone else, like then you can talk about us. Like right. Per usual. Like we like to start at the top of the.
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Yeah, I just like, I did the math cause it was pissing me off. So yeah, it's 15%. That's what our episode was yesterday. And in a 30 minute TV show. Okay, if you wanna know. Cause I asked chad. In a 30 minute TV show, commercials typically make up about 8 to 9 minutes. That equals to roughly 27 to 30% of the total runtime. Yesterday's episode had 7 minutes and 30 seconds of advertisements, which is 15% of our episode. So we are about half the media average for our tiny little Instagram show. Okay. So take it up with David Ellison. Okay. Not me.
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Thank you.
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Pick it up with Ted Sarandos.
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Do you know the viral.
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Pick it up with Bob Dylan. What's his name? Bob Iger.
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Do you know the viral sound from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City? The rumors and nastiness.
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Yes.
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What's so funny about watching the show, like from years ago was I don't know what the viral moments were. And it wasn't until the reunion when Andy was like, let's address the rumors and nastiness. And I was like, oh yeah, that is hysterical. Yeah.
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And it's Meredith who says it and she has like a little bit of like a lip impediment. Rumors, like a.
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And a British accent.
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Well, that's so Meredith.
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The rumors. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. She's a little lit when she said it.
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Who isn't?
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And she also is now coming out with a card game called the Rumors of Nastiness.
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Love that.
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Yeah, Hysterical stuff. So you wanted to address the rumors and nastiness?
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Yeah, like I just don't appreciate that because that's something I'm really mindful of. And I listen to other podcasts. Oh, and that there's an amazing button, like on tv. Like there's not a button.
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It's not a button. It's more of a procedure that is sort of imperfect where you have to like scroll.
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Yeah, but no, not if you're watching something live. Like you can't.
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Like you can't hit the ff.
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Yeah, I don't appreciate that. Like we don't monetize our YouTube. Like we're really mindful.
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Yeah, I agree.
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And I love you guys and I just want you to know, like, I love you more. Let the mouse go when you say you love me. No, I love you more.
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Who sings that?
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Miley.
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Leave it to Miley.
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One of the meanest things you've ever said in the history of this show. We might have a walk off. How could you? How could you do this?
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Me? What I more so meant was you and Miley do not have the same register.
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I actually disagree.
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You think you like you and Miley. Like there are some artists who you should sing their songs. Cuz like you have this. You're in the same key.
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So I'm glad you brought that up. People. I am in the same key with Barbara Shand, Leah, Michelle and Lady Gaga. Underrated. Like I Sing every single one of Lady Gaga's songs. Sickening.
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Oh, I love that. So not Miley. So that's all I was saying.
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Wow. Stepped right into that one. And Miley, obviously.
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Yeah.
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When you say you love me. Yeah. No, it's not. It's not. No. Like, I could do it. Love you more. It's not bad. Obviously it's better than whatever you could do.
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I didn't even mean to be so shady.
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It's just naturally like in your bones. Yeah. Shabbat shalom.
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Shabbat shalom. I'm gonna have Shabbat with my swirls tonight. Yeah, Shabbat with the swirlies.
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Hopefully you leave that toxic energy at the home.
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Hopefully you sing in your key when you do the blessings.
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This fucking bitch. There are a couple of things. Like you could attack me for water off a duck's back. You're fat, you're ugly, you're dumb. And sing. Because I know they're not true, right? But I'm so, like, my singing voice is so personal to me, you know? And it's sort of this thing that I like, I'm kind of shy about, if you will.
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So you agree. You think you're really shy.
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I mean, I said the other day, like, yeah, I'm shy. That's what everyone says. I mean, like, she's so shy.
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And you were saying that in earnest.
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Yeah, I'm shy.
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Earnestly, I agree.
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And you know what? Fine. Yeah, I'm shy, okay? Because when you're not shy, there's so much pressure on you. Like, when I go to a dinner party, it's like, dance, monkey, dance. Do you know how many times I've gotten up in front of a dinner party and just started singing? Because people are like, you sing, you have this thing and it's like, well, I'm not gonna be the shy girl. Like, so, you know. Yeah, I'm shy. If that's what it takes for everybody to leave me the alone, I'm shy.
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Finally, an admission. It only took three days. It only took all week.
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I said it three days ago.
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Yeah, that's true. Do you feel too shy to get into the fast five stories?
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Yeah, okay, I'm shy. I don't want to do my work, okay? I just want to be shy. Because shy people get away with. They're like, oh, she's shy. She was not rude. She's shy. But me, it's like, well, she's not chatting, so she was obviously being a. I'm shy, okay? I want everyone in the world to Know, I am shy. Stop asking things of me. Like, there's just so many big requests. When you're not a shy person, nobody asks. You are shy. It. And they ask less of you.
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No, but it's still problematic because I do a show. Whatever.
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Everybody has their own shit.
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If you do. If you're a showman, how are you shy? And I'm like, I'm just talking to my sister.
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I just want to say, like, I'm shy. Officially shy. Stop asking things of me. I'm not your entertainer. I sometimes feel like the bearded lady.
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In greatest become shy late in life.
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Not about late in life. I think I've become, like, a little bit more closed off. Like, not to be, like, so annoying. Like, the more famous I've become famous, it's actually a burden. And I know what, like, all those bitches were saying now. Like, fame is toxic. It's not toxic, but it's very hard to operate. Like, it's hard to go to, like, music class or, like, mom stuff. Like, when you're just, like, a famous person, you're like, what is she doing this music class? You know what I mean?
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Yeah. She should be up there shaking that.
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Well, that's for damn sure. Like, if all this doesn't pan out, I do know what I'm doing.
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Interviewing for Fisher Price.
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No, no. I will be starting, like, my own in the city. It's called, like, little Maestros. Like, one of the Juliet and Ella. Like, I will be doing one of those.
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Okay. And it's gonna be called Koji's Corner. That's so cute.
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Oh, so cute.
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But that's like your Aunt Alias.
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Yeah.
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And so you're bringing, like, anti vibes to the class for sure.
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That's it.
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Okay, well, I'll sign up.
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If anybody asks, I'm shy.
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You have a customer for life in you. In me?
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Yeah. And I know you, like, are very, like. What's that? Whatever the opposite of thrifty is. So I'm looking forward to doing really well in my next career.
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Cha ching, cha ching, Cha Ching.
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Koji's Corner.
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Are you ready for the past five stories that you did?
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We're having so much fun.
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We are. But I know you only have so much band with being so shy. And so I want to just get you while you.
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It's so true.
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You're bet before your social.
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But I'm being mindful of the minutes.
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Before your social battery runs out.
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Yeah.
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Do you have a social battery?
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Do I have a social battery? Of course I do.
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You have A battery.
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Yeah, but I have a social battery.
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But it's not, like, don't need batteries to play.
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It's not that I, like, lose, like, battery talking to people. It's like I lose the will to live talking to people. Do you know what I mean? So it's not that I have no energy to talk to people. It's that I just, I really can't.
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Okay.
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Like, I. I have, like, my threshold for socialization. So it's not a social battery. It's a social threshold. Like, I can't. Okay, so when people like my social battery, I'm like, yeah, me too. But it's just like, I don't want to be here anymore. I. I physically can. I just, like, genuinely don't.
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Is. And is it like you're at 100 and you could take this social battery somewhere else?
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Oh, yeah, to my family. I know. Like, see, with you guys, when I say at your house, everybody's, like, going to bed. I'm like, wait, we're not hanging out. I have unlimited social battery for, like, key people.
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You have unlimited familial battery. It's regenerative.
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Yeah. And also look at the few key friends.
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They don't train you.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Mark.
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Safe. Yeah, for now. But keep coming for my singing and we'll see where that lands you.
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Without further ado to do, here are the fast five stories that you to do need to know, and the Fast.
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I recently placed an order from Container Store, like in the last month when I just need to like, organize my room because I have like so much stuff in my room being postpartum and like, oh my gosh, everything. The clouds parted, the sun rose. I got some such cute, like, wooden baskets. I got a garbage can because I just have so many water bottles.
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Thank you. Turtle help yet. Welcome our first story, an update in the story of the week. Celebrity mom group drama. Mandy Moore is speaking adjacently about the issue.
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Meghan Trainor is speaking directly to the issue. Although I didn't really understand her TikTok, I just want to say so I.
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Had to watch without sound.
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Oh, that's so funny.
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You want me to saw her typing? Yeah, I need to hear the sound because I was like in an app trap and this couldn't play it while.
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I'm going to her TikTok. It's just a great reminder to everyone listening to our show, like, you can follow me on TikTok @GIRL WITH no Job. Okay, ready? So Meghan Markle Trainor made a tick tock. She's like typing on a computer. The text says, me finding out about the apparent mom group drama. It's a Meghan Trainor song called Still Don't Care. So we see she's using that as a promotional opportunity, which we respect. This is a business.
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This is the biggest story in the country right now.
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And it's probably one of, like, the biggest, most mainstream things to happen to Meghan Markle Trainor in a while.
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She's been doing well for herself. I just want to say no.
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She has, like, a really nice career longevity for sure. She's had a huge boost with TikTok. But in terms of, like, big mainstream things that everyone's talking about, you can.
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Pay for this kind of viral moment. I saw also her husband Juni Cortez was saying something. Everyone should get in on this. Capitalize on this. Mandy Moore took to Instagram to rave about Hillary Duff's husband Matthew coma. So, like, she's throwing her weight behind the Coma Duff side of things v. Tisdale. And everyone's just sort of falling into place. And it's very much clear Tisdale v. The women. And it's very much again, don't let them gaslight you. They're talking about this celebrity mom group.
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Yeah, everyone's addressing it in their own way. Some people are taking it as an opportunity to promote, which is great. It's hard to get attention as a woman in media these days. And also Mandy Moore then, like, you know, Mandy Moore was one of the most famous people to have lost a lot in the California wildfires. And it is the one year anniversary. And the thing that she posted did yesterday about Matthew Coma was that like, he's such an amazing person. I believe that he like provided a lot of housing for Mandy and her family when they were displaced. So it's like, well, now we've brought up the fires, so.
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And also I wanted to address because people are saying that the reason why the women fell out with Ashley is because when the fires were happening, she was insensitive, perhaps tone deaf, as Matthew Coma said, because she was posting like about her new house that she's building and like making about the house that she has. Na, na, na, na poo poo.
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You don't have a house, but I've got a new one.
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While other people are losing their houses. Now I just want to say I do feel like you can read into that and you only read into that and see the negative in that when you already didn't like the person. Yeah.
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But also I don't actually think that that's. That like there are two. I think, you know, these grown women can hold space for two truths. Like many more lost her house and Astrotizzle has a new house. Like two things. And as of Thanksgiving they were all hanging out. So that's almost a year after the fires. Like, I don't know. I don't. I think now it's like, well, in hindsight, like she was posting about. No, no.
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But I also think like, when you already don't like someone, like you find fault in everything that they post and you could see that and be like, she's tone deaf as opposed to like, if it was your best friend and you love her and she's just like doing her thing and posting, you're not like, like, yes.
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Looking into it that deep, it's just like, oh, she's got a nice house. That's nice.
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Yeah.
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So the crazy thing is like, now that all these women have responded, it's like clearly confirmation that this story was about this particular mom group. And the fact that Ashley not only wrote so many articles about it, like died for the attention, got the attention, backtracked and then lied and said it was not about this particular mom group is so lame. And it's such a. I don't know what she was expecting from this. Like, she was really like begging for the. She was posting about it a lot. She wrote this article. She got, you know, some traction from it. Wrote another one. Like, I don't know what she expected, but the outcome has so not been pro. Ashley. It's really got to be a bad day at the Tisdale French household.
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I just would love to see what the mom group chat is saying right now.
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Well, if anything, it's been, like, the biggest validation on them kicking her out. Like, yeah, they had a bad feeling about her before. I can only imagine how they're feeling about her now.
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Yeah, they're probably cackling.
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Yeah.
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So that's the latest. I do feel like this story is. Is dying. Yes.
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And now that, like, everybody's, like, using their own music to promote, like, I'm officially done with the story, but I had fun up until today.
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Yeah, me as well.
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Yeah. Then the husbands got involved. Like, it just. It's over.
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Yeah. And it's okay, but thank you.
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Don't cry because it's over. Like, genuinely smile because it happened.
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Yeah.
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And just a reminder, like, it is okay to leave your toxic mom group, which is why I will no longer be a part of the show. This is.
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This is toxic mom group.
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You literally told me I had a bad singing voice. Like, this is my Hillary Duffman anymore. Toxic friend group.
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But you said that you have unlimited capacity.
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It was speaking, like, more generally for family relationships. Yeah, I was talking about Zach, my husband.
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Yeah.
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That's why when I go to your house, like, I want to hang out.
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You're going there to see him.
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Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And he knows that, too, when you say you love me. No, you guys wanted the episodes to be longer. Okay. No, I love you.
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Remember when people used to complain that we sing too much? I'm glad that that stopped. Is.
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I don't read our, like, comments. I don't. Actually, I do, but, like, I guess maybe I do, so I don't know that they.
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No. Like, people used to complain, like, in the comments, like, every day singing.
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I'm so glad we shed those.
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Either you've accepted it or you've moved.
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On, and we're all better because of it.
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For To a musicless podcast. We are better.
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A joyless podcast.
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That was never happening.
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That was. We used to get that all the time.
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I imagine when we added a theme song every day to every episode. That was when they had to.
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We officially shook off.
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Yeah. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Zach? Bryan has a new album, and he's singing about chicken fry.
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Oh, okay, here we go. I don't even know this because I don't keep up with losers.
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Zach Bryan isn't holding back on his new album called With Heaven on Top. So he has some songs he has 25 songs with. Yeah, it's like, grammatically weird. With Heaven on Top of. I'm sure if we heard the song that it's about, like, right.
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It's like A Beautiful Sunday with heaven on top.
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Yeah, it's like, totally.
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Yeah. You should listen to it. Nah, I like my version better. With a beautiful Sunday with heaven. Yeah, like chocolate sprinkles in heaven on top. Give me a cherry with heaven on top.
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25 songs seemingly shedding some light on his feelings toward his ex girlfriend.
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We don't care.
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Chicken fry. Lapaglia.
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We actually don't care about your feelings. That's what's so fun.
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And life with his new wife and decision to get sober late last year. Late last year. So that's like a month ago.
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And also, how is he already writing about his marriage? Got married last week late last year.
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Maybe it was the year before. Maybe it's been a year and a week.
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Okay, so what did he say about Ms. Lapogs?
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So he has a song called Skin Taking after. Okay, Sabrina, Ms. Breen. And he takes aim at her, promising to, quote, take a blade to my old tattoos in order to drain the blood between me and you. He said, quote, I'm taking a blade to my own skin, and I ain't ever touching yours again. I'm sorry, this sounds like Sabrina. How do tattoos take to your skin? Does your higher ground ever sink in? Do you love people just to win when it's over?
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Okay, yeah. Like, she took the moral high ground, I guess he's saying, because she refused to, like, be a victim of his abuse. Like, okay, you got her. Yeah, the way.
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And then he, like, then he said, do you still talk on all your friends? Need to take it all to the chin this time. Stone cold sober.
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I forget who it was that said. And it was. I really wish I could attribute this quote to the person who said it because, like, I guess, what's the big secret? Like, oh, she talks about her friends to her boyfriend. Like, okay, who doesn't? Like, I literally talk about every person in my life, and it's just like, if I love you, I'm talking about you. Like, I forget who said it. It was like, yeah, when somebody leaves a room, like, we are talking about you. Like, it's human nature. It could be bad. It could be good. That does not mean we don't Love you. Like, we're just talking about.
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Who said that.
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I don't know. It was so brilliant. I feel like it was like Maya Angelou or something.
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I've not heard that one. But I do agree.
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And does anyone know what I'm talking.
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About between her and all her friends? And then she, like, didn't have her friends anymore and maybe spoke poorly of them because they weren't her friends.
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Right. And she was like, in this crazy ass relationship. Like, I just. There's. I don't even know if there's anything he could say that I would be like, you know what? I feel that. Or, you know, he's. I see his side.
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Yeah. Well, I wonder how the album is. I'll have to ask Margot Washre.
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Yeah, one thing about our sister Margot, she's like an extremely. You know, you have like, a couple of friends who, like, randomly, like, listen to Chris Brown.
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Like, that's Margot and Zach Bryan.
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Yeah, Margot doesn't listen to Chris Brown. That would be way worse. I just want to say she listens.
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To Zach Bryan and she's not afraid to show it.
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There's some things you have to listen to in secret. And I get it.
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Like, but she doesn't even. And so I think that's like, more respect.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So let's see if she likes the album.
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I'm sure it's good. Like, no one's saying he's not a good song maker. He just also is like, an abuser. Holding space for two truths.
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Bad guy.
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Bad guy.
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Are you ready for our next story?
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Time's flying so fast When I'm with you.
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It's some music news because it appears as though we have to go to the Houston Rodeo.
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Who's performing? I've actually always wanted to go. I've been to the Fort Worth Rodeo. They had no, like, famous singers there, though.
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Kelly Clarkson and Rascal Flats.
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Flats? You're kidding. Wait, when is it?
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The rodeo is a series of dates in 2026. Like, March 2, March 3. And it's like different artists perform on different days.
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We are obviously going first of all, because that's like a fun family thing to do.
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Rascal Flats perform.
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Should we do, like, Houston week for the toast?
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Rascal Flats perform March 4th. Kelly Clarkson's March 14th. Okay, so we can't stay for 10 days, but, like, right, we are seeing.
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Rascal Flats perform before, like, at a concert. So maybe we just go for Kelly.
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Okay. March 2nd is Riley Greene.
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Oh, I've seen him before. I don't think but if we go.
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For Rascal on March 4, the next day is Russell Dickerson.
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Okay. Also really good.
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And the next day is Lizzo.
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But a fun. No, a fun fact about me is I've never seen Kelly Clarkson before on Live. Isn't that crazy?
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That is crazy. You haven't lived. No, I know.
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And like, I've seen Russell Dickerson. I've seen Rascal Flats. I've seen all that Riley Greene. So I need to go see Kelly.
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Okay. And if we go to Kelly the day before her, Shaboozy, your favorite. And the day before him is Chris Stapleton.
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Oh, we're obviously going to that.
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Yeah. And that's like a three day run.
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Oh, my God. So fun.
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This is very exciting.
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Yeah, we actually, like, we're always like, we should go. And then.
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Okay, let me just like, think. So it would be March, the middle of March.
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You have somewhere to be?
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No, no, I'm available.
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I am also available.
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Okay.
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Let's just make sure it doesn't coincide with, like, Passover, you know?
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It doesn't.
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That would be bad.
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Passover's beginning of April. Okay.
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No, we're going.
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Watch out, Houston, guys. Here we come.
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Hold us accountable. Should we do. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
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Okay. From the rodeo.
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Well, of course we'll do podcasts, like, for the days that we're there. And anyone. Of course, a Kelly Rascal come on the podcast. Oh, maybe that's where we get Kelly. Let's take an rv. You know, it's my dream because I love that movie RV with Robin Williams and Cheryl Hines and JoJo. Let's do it. Like, let's all load up in an rv. Who would drive the rv, though?
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My husband's a good driver.
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Okay, but Jackie. But like, RV is not.
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No, he can, like, we've.
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He would need to spend the next two, three months, like, getting his RV license. Yeah.
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Okay. I'm open to.
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But then it's not fun for your husband. So we could, like, have a driver. But then there's like, this is like, random guy in the car with us, you know?
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Okay. I'm putting Houston in to see how long the drive is.
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I just want to say every good podcast, like, I.
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Okay, so it's 16 hours. But I think that, like, we drive eight hours one day. Like, stay somewhere overnight.
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I guess it's just like 16 hours. We're not driving. We're not in a car. We're in, like a playground.
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Like, and if we break it up to two days, how do people.
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Well, to Be clear. We also could break it up into like, five days and, like, stop and see places, you know, if you wanted to.
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Okay. That's a misery.
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Remember when the Beermans did that on don't be tardy? Oh, man, this is my dream. As long as I get the bed in the back and you guys sleep in the bunk beds, of course. No, I'll be much thinner by March due to the zepbound, so I might be able to take one of those bunk beds.
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Imagine the kids.
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No, I'm telling you, it would be amazing.
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Car seats.
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Do you need a car seat?
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Yeah.
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Okay. That's like, not as fun. It takes up, like, a lot of space.
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No, no, it's fine. Like in the front, they sleep in a car seat. Oh, yes. Sleeping at night. No, we're gonna sleep in a hotel. Remember we just said we're gonna stop.
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Okay. And like, should we also wrap the RV and like, the toast? Because now we're driving cross country. Like, this is a promotional opportunity, I guess.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Just an idea. I really think we should, like, is there like a company that does this sort of stuff for you? You know what I mean? Probably, like, plans it out, like, if, like, that would be helpful.
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Luxury RVs.
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Oh, yeah, of course. It's got to be Lux, just to be clear.
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Okay. Luxury at this point.
A
Like, let's just take a jet, you know, if we're going Lux.
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Oh, right. Luxury. Every. And do they come with drivers?
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Yeah, I'm the more I think about this plan, like, we obviously need a driver and what's going to be playing on, like, the screens the entire time? Of course. Rv. Have you ever seen rv? It's the best movie. Like, yeah. Oh, my God. I'm like, so excited. Just the idea of, of road trips.
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Never looked this good.
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No, I'm telling you. And I've ended up on, like, Tick Tock, where people, like, do RV tours. Or they're like selling RVs, and they're like, here's our luxe model with like the 14 inch platform or whatever. And let me tell you, like, these ain't your grandma's RVs, okay? Like, they're. They've got plasmas, they've got wi fi, they've got, like, reclining chairs. I'm telling you, I could see you're getting excited.
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I'm open to it, but I don't know, like, how do I entertain kids in the car for like eight hour stretches?
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Oh, my God, like, music games, like I Spy, like, so many games.
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8 hours of I spy.
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No, like, Kayla would love it. I'm telling you.
B
Okay, I'm open.
A
And like, let's. What's like, one thing between. We could leave from here, obviously, because it's closer. We leave from here to Houston. Like, one thing in the middle that we, like, absolutely need to see.
B
So there's a couple things. Like, first of all, we would, like, be driving through the Panhandle. So, like, we could also stop in like, northern Florida, like 30A, which is beautiful. I don't know if you've seen.
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Okay, I don't need to leave Florida. Like, go to see more Florida.
B
Like, it's literally different. But New Orleans.
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Oh, my God. We got it.
B
But, like, actually, I feel like New Orleans might take us out of our way a little bit. Houston really is the easternmost part of Texas. I didn't even realize that works for our trip. It's right there.
A
That really works for our trip. We pass through, like, what, Like Louisiana.
B
We pass through. So we drive up Florida to the left.
A
What about the Grand Canyon? Is that anywhere nearby?
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No, nowhere nearby. Yeah. No, it's really Louisiana.
A
To how many a state park? I've never been to a national park.
B
Like, we could hit a little bit of Alabama and Missouri, Mississippi. Okay, so like Mobile, Alabama.
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Oh, my God. You're kidding me. Mobile, Alabama. I'm not even joking. You know what I'm about to say?
B
No.
A
Oh, my God. Ready?
B
But I. Somewhere else that we actually have to go.
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Just hold on. We have to go to Mobile, Alabama. So I could literally do this. I stepped off the bus in Mobile, Alabama. The sun was slowly setting on the bay. It was six o' clock on a summer Friday afternoon. Shabbos was an hour away. We walked around the town wondering what to do. Cause Shabbos is no time to be feeling blue. But then I saw a man who looked the same way too. I was quite relieved to find a fellow Jewish.
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One, two, three.
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I asked the man I saw how many Jews in this town? Whoa. He said to me There used to be a Minion around. Whoa. Then one of us passed away and we've been feeling down but now it seems as though another Jew has been found Won't you stay with us 4 Shabbos Minion Man? Won't you stay with us 4 Shabbos Minion man. There's another verse, but, like, I won't bother you guys with it. Do you not know Minion Man?
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I do a classic song from the owners to shave off time on the trip. But the other, of course, Like, I'm.
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Over here, like, envisioning dreams for our trip, and you're over here trying to shorten it.
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Yeah. Like, if we flew to the top of Florida.
A
Oh.
B
And then started our drive, like, from Tallahassee.
A
Is that better?
B
Yeah, we would.
A
What about Seaside?
B
Yeah, that's like.
A
Okay, so I have some friends we should visit in Seaside. The Reeds.
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That's what I'm saying. That's what I said. 30A the panhandle. Okay. That's why I said, like, when we drive through, like, we actually should stop there. It's very pargy.
A
Okay. So we'll spend a week at my friend the Reed's house. They have a sick house, and they're always inviting us.
B
So, like, we'll go and the other.
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And then maybe they'll come with us. Oh, my God, this is so fun.
B
The other place that's on the way is Pensacola.
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Jackie, we have to go on this trip. She's from Pensacola. That's not much bigger than Maysville, if you guys know that. One time I auditioned for a long SVU episode, and it was in my monologue, and I obviously didn't get the part because I was obviously too beautiful for it because I needed someone really ugly, like an actual bridge troll.
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Okay, I.
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We have to go. And I have to stand outside the Pensacola sign and, like, do the monologue. I'll have to find the script in. In my email somewhere.
B
And I have another idea for how we could.
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I don't want to talk about this anymore because I know we're not going to do anything.
B
Make me. Like, this is enticing. Just because we set our resolutions, like, make more money.
A
Oh, okay.
B
Shows along the way to an area that, like, we have no plans to otherwise.
A
And then the RV is an expense.
B
And because we're not touring. Because we're not, like, touring artists.
A
No. Yes.
B
But that's always our thing. Like, we always say if we go somewhere, like, we should do a show.
A
To pay for the trip. Yeah.
B
Yeah.
A
Let's start. Mobile, Alabama. We're huge in Alabama, by the way. I've done, like, a ton of stand up in Alabama, like, all over.
B
So we should do a show in Pensacola. And then I also saw Lake Charles. I like the name of it.
A
Okay. Charles.
B
Lake.
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Choo Chee.
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Like, choo choo.
A
Okay. So can't wait to never do this. But it was fun to envision.
B
I feel like if it's meant to be, it will come together, you know.
A
If, like, if the stars align.
B
Yeah. If the Houston Rodeo reaches out and is like, we would love to have.
A
You, but we could, like if somebody dropped out, we'll do a live podcast instead of like, you know, and maybe.
B
One of us could sing.
A
I wonder which one.
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Are you ready for our next story?
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Our next story, Khloe Kardashian reveals how her family handles money splitting costs.
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Oh yes.
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So Chloe took to her podcast to talk about how the girly split costs on certain items and their philosophy around like sharing and paying for each other. So she said me and my sisters do not vent mow each other but we always take turns. Turns. She said I would never go with one of my sisters and expect for them to always pay. We always rotate. It's just never really a thing because everyone's really respectful with each other. She said she recently footed the bill when for Kim with their kids, they like her kids and Kim's kids all needed like new shirts for spirit day and they have this like little shop and that only accepts cash. So Chloe didn't like Kim didn't have any money. So I was like I'll get it for you, it's nothing. And she was like I'll pay you back, just tell my business manager to get you the money. And she's like Kim, it's fine. We're Good. I didn't get it back. But later she was like, oh, let me buy this for you since you got me that stuff. She said, we're always aware of someone else spending money. I think we're, dare I say, normal in that regard.
A
So when I heard Chloe was talking about how her and her sister split expenses, I was, like, extremely excited. Shirts for Spirit Day did not come to mind. I was more so thinking, like, chartering jets. No.
B
And it's like, when they go on a trip, I imagine they split the trip, but, like, if. If it's Kim or Kylie's plane, they're footing the bill for the plane. How does that factor into stuff? Right.
A
I was like, the things that normal people don't buy. Like, normal people do buy shirts for Spirit Day. That's more so what I was, like, looking for clarity on. And also, like, when you're at that level of wealth, does everybody split things equally or is it still, like, well, Kim's a billionaire and, like, Courtney's not. Like, I was really, like, more curious about that. And I would never expect them to tell us, but she's, like, opening the door and giving us nothing.
B
Well, I feel like it 1. It all comes out in the wash, too. I feel like oftentimes, I would imagine, like, someone's planning a trip, like, they want to take their kids to the mountains. We're going on this trip. Does anyone want to come? And everyone sort of, like, tags along. Now, I imagine if you're always tagging along and you're never, like, doing your own trip for your own trip, then, like, you might not continue to get invited. If people feel like they're always paying for you. But I'm sure it's, like, akin to normal families, just on a much bigger scale.
A
Yes.
B
Like, I've never Venmo'd you.
A
No.
B
For anything. No.
A
But we do sell one another for, like, bigger stuff.
B
Yeah, we do sell one another.
A
Yeah. Not that much.
B
Not really. It's more also just, like, you get the next thing.
A
Yeah. Yeah.
B
I actually can't recall the last time I zelled you.
A
I can recall the last time I zelled you because I'm me, but also because it was just so recently on New Year's. For our hair.
B
For our. Okay. Yeah. And. But I didn't ask you to.
A
No, but Jackie had someone. You were the one who, like, coordinated ever. Someone coming to, like, do all of our hairs. Then you paid for everyone's hair, and I was like, well, no, don't pay for everyone. I'll Pay for mine and some else. You know, like a little. Little J.
B
That was very sweet of Koji. I didn't ask. I was happy as you do it.
A
Cuz I'm not. Like, I'm mindful of finances, but I'm not disgusting. Like, I'm. Oh, I'm never going to leave people being like, oh, she didn't pay her. She, like, I'm generous, but I'm just, like, having a nightmare fit about it when I get home, you know?
B
Yeah.
A
Like, I'm paying for everyone and then crying about it.
B
Yeah.
A
You know what I mean? Like, I don't think anybody's ever described me as, like, not generous or cheap. Except for Ben, because he's the one who, like, here's how I truly feel.
B
You know that you were just telling me this morning what, you think she's going to pay me back how you truly feel?
A
I literally, like, yeah. Because at the beginning of the year.
B
Like, yeah, you want to start rocket money. You want to start on the right foot and be financially mindful.
A
Yes. And I was being, like, a little nutty. Like, at the end of last year, Like, I moved apartments. Like, my rent is much more. Like, I'm just like, more. I'm like here, like, just like, spending money. Like, like, when am I going home? I don't know. Like, I'm just being nutty.
B
Yeah. That's why we have to go on tour.
A
Yeah. Right? Of course.
B
Everything will be better after the tour.
A
The rv.
B
The RV tour. Yeah. That would be hysterical.
A
We'll be. When we don't do it.
B
I'm open.
A
I'm just like, reverse psychologizing in you.
B
No, I'm open to it. Like, for the kids, you know, because obviously an RV doesn't sound like my idea of a good time. I get motion sickness. I don't like to travel backwards or sideways. Like, I'm gonna have to be sitting shotgun next to the driver in the jump seat.
A
Yeah.
B
But, like, if it's gonna be a great experience for the family and for my kids, like, I will be open to it.
A
I'm so excited.
B
Are you ready?
A
I'm gonna start, like, whispering to your kids, like, tell your mom you want to go. Because then, like, if they're like, we want to go. See ya. It should be like, okay, yeah.
B
Then I'll plan the best RV trip ever.
A
Yeah.
B
You won't even have to plan it. Great.
A
Works for me. Guys, come here.
B
Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Kendall Jenner is addressing the rumors that she's a lesbian.
A
Oh, I thought you were saying she's addressing the rumors that, like, her plastic surgery. No.
B
Yeah.
A
She said she's never had anything done except for baby Botox in her forehead. No filler, no nose job. She said, no lip. No lip. That was really crazy. And she said she's never had a nose job. Like, Bible on my life, I've never had a nose job. She said that she took Accutane and.
B
There are, like, grew her lips.
A
There are theories that Accutane shrinks your nose. Like, people have said that. Like, there's no medical data that proves that. But a couple people, like, I took Accutane, I swear to God, like, my nose got smaller. And she said that's what happened to her.
B
I can believe that Accutane is extremely powerful and potent.
A
Yeah.
B
And, like, strong. Strong. So I could believe that. Lip.
A
Lip. I'm curious about. She said no fillers. Yeah. But so what is she saying about her being lesbian?
B
Yes.
A
I forgot that people think that. I haven't thought that in a while.
B
She's breaking her silence on the rumors that she's secretly gay.
A
I'm cracking up.
B
She went on in your dreams podcast.
A
That's also where she said the plastic surgery that.
B
Oh, okay. And she talked about the gay rumors. She said, there's this whole side of the Internet that thinks I'm a lesbian. She confirmed that she is not gay, but that she would have no problem coming out if she were. She said, I understand that coming out is not an easy thing for anybody if not most people. And I'm not saying that's an easy thing, but knowing and I can speak for myself here. It's so funny. All the copy, like, all the different.
A
Don't cancel me. I know it's hard. I did this.
B
I don't think everyone. It's different. But if I can speak on my own experience. She said, if I can speak for myself here and knowing myself, I think at this point in my life, I'd be out if I was. She acknowledged that she knows coming out is not an easy thing to do. She's just saying. I'm just saying that knowing me and knowing how I'd want to live my life, I would. I'd have no problem. Being that she reflected on the narrative that she's hiding this thing from her fans. She said, I've seen really up things that are like, it's bad for business. And I'm like, what? How? I don't understand it all to say, as of today, I am not gay. I don't think I will be, but I'm not closing doors to experiences in my life.
A
Okay. I mean, that's like, one way to throw people off. If you are like, I. I know that people thought that because, like, there are a couple of things about her that's not like, typical girl. You're like, I'm a nerd and like, I like horses. But I don't think that. I haven't thought that for a while. I do know that people think that it's not that big of, like, a corner of the Internet. Like, a couple of years ago, people thought it, like, it's really not huge. It's like she's acting like gaylord. You know, like, people do. Like there are.
B
I do feel like people sometimes think that about her. And I do think it's because. And she said this too. She's not, like, public in her relationship, so you never really see her, like, loved up with a guy. I don't know why people immediately then think that she's gay.
A
But I guess also compared to her sisters, who are, like, oddly traditional in the sense of, like, having kids, and she's the only one who doesn't have kids. Maybe that's why. I don't know.
B
No, but it's been a while that this is just. But I, I. First of all, I believe her because that's what she said. And yeah, all of her reasons, like, if she were gay, she would come out. There are a lot of people in her industry who are. And it doesn't affect.
A
Yeah, I feel like what she's saying without trying.
B
Also, her dad is trans.
A
Right. Right. I feel like what she's.
B
It's a welcoming space trying to say.
A
Like, without being insensitive, because like I said earlier this week, like, there are, you know, people. But for the most part, like, I feel like we've evolved past, like, you know, gayness. Like, it's like, like it's the least big deal.
B
Like, especially in, like, certain industries and in Hollywood, specifically parts of the country. Like, it' not the big deal that it once was.
A
Right. And like, coming out, I think these days is. Looks a lot different than it did like, 10, 20 years ago. And I think that's kind of what she was saying. So, yeah, I didn't really wonder if she was les. But she's not cool.
B
She's not. But it's also like, she didn't close herself off too. Interesting to know. Well, she can't, you know, all the different.
A
I do also think, like, if you are really deep on, like, the gay lore. Like, there's. There is.
B
She's involved.
A
There could be. Because she was a part of. A lot of people forget because so much has happened in pop culture. But, like, Kendall briefly was in Taylor's girl gang, like, via Gigi and then Cara Delevingne. Like, there was, like, a lot of les Energy pulsing through that and Kendall.
B
Then, like, ending on bad terms.
A
Now, of course, it has to do with her sister, but, like, you could. If you were a theory person, you could look into her involvement in that group as well.
B
I agree. Maybe the group got a little Leslie. Yeah.
A
And then it was, like, weird. And they couldn't, like, talk to each other, and then they all stopped being friends, you know?
B
Yeah. Because. Are you a. A gaylord truther?
A
I am not a gaylord truther. However, I'm not. I'm not at all. Like, Taylor's, like, literally been telling us for years she, like, loves dick. Like, she loves guys. She couldn't have more boyfriends. Like, I do think her friendship with Karlie Kloss. That's the only thing for me that I feel like, is a little curious. Like, maybe they did fall in love. And, like, it was so fast, so furious. There are a lot of lyrics that point to there's dress. Yes. There's a lot of Karlie Kloss, but maybe it was just, like, a crazy friendship. I don't know. That's the only thing. I'm, like, a little like. Well, but for the most part, no, I don't. And I don't think you could be like, Taylor. You could be, like, engaged to Travis with, like, while being a lesbian. I don't.
B
No. Or bisexual.
A
Oh. Except I did see. Because I end up on the craziest parts of the Internet. I did see what gaylor says about Travis. Because to me, like, if you ever thought Taylor was a lesbian, Travis, like, everything's over now. Well, Travis is gay.
B
They say. Excuse me. You're being so binary.
A
Okay, I'm shy and I'm binary. Sure.
B
What? They say Travis is what?
A
Travis is gay. And you know Ross, his roommate who, like, looks just like him. Sorry, not his roommate. His friend who looks just like him. That's his boyfriend. The gaylord says, I don't know.
B
Ross.
A
Oh, yeah. He's, like, there all the time. Okay, you've definitely seen him. He is Travis's roommate and lover.
B
And Taylor's lover is whomst.
A
I don't know who they say she's currently dating. You know, there was the fiddler in her band.
B
No, I don't know about the fiddler.
A
Yeah, there was a fiddler. She played the fiddle that Taylor loved back in the early. This is what this is. And I don't think this at all.
B
Female fiddler.
A
Yeah, I think her name was Emily and they were like, really close and Taylor was like on the trajectory. I think it was like the Fearless era. And, you know, management saw what was going on and they sent that fiddler packet and she was literally never to be seen again. She literally vanished. And that's what Gaylords people say. I don't think that. I'm just letting you know what they think.
B
Thank you for letting us know about.
A
The fiddler on the. On the tour.
B
The fiddler on the tour. Well, thank you, Kendall, for clearing that up. It's also just like, funny to. When people, like, address like really, like, obscure Internet rumors about themselves, it's like they see these things.
A
Not only that, but a lot of celebrities will go out of their way to address, like the most random niche, not like the thing, you know. But that's not what we're actually saying. What are people wondering about, Kendall right now?
B
I actually think that this sort of floats out there.
A
So every now and then.
B
Cool that she addressed it.
A
Shall we dive on to Queenie and We of the Week?
B
Yes, we shall.
A
Queenie and we of the Week is our weekly segment we do every Friday. It's sort of the last thing we leave you with on Fridays to sort of wrap up the week, take a look at the week at a glance, and we deliver two awards. Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week. They're pretty self explanatory. If you did something amazing this week, you might be Queenie of the Week. And if you did something kind of lame this week, you might be Weenie of the Week. And don't take it to heart, it is what it is. Now I think we should just sort of get the weenie out of the way because we obviously both have the same weenie. Say it on three. One, two, three. Ashley Tisdale French. Now, her writing. Like, she might not have. She might not have been Weenie of the Week if she hadn't then released this. The pr. I'm a registered Democrat. This isn't about the celebrity group. It's about a different group of friends. Like, that huge. Like, she saw obviously, like the. The wind changing and like, tried to. It's. She got. She wanted attention and she got it.
B
And I want to give an honorary mention to Haley Duff.
A
Yeah.
B
Who said, screw sisterhood.
A
Yeah. Yeah. That's weenie like, too. Not as big as Ashley.
B
No, no. Ashley did it on a bigger scale.
A
Yeah.
B
Haley just hit the, like, button. Her finger could have have slipped.
A
Yeah. I do wonder what Vanessa Ann thinks of all this.
B
She's so far past it.
A
I don't know. She's like a mom and.
B
Yeah, and I bet she has a mom group and a phone. I'm a friend of Ashley's. I'm sure she's texting Hillary right now. Like, isn't she the worst?
A
Well, everyone now, they're like, you know when somebody's getting, like, their feet held to the fire, now they're, like, going back through their history, looking through, and people are like, well, why aren't Vanessa and Ashley friends? They were friends. They're both moms. Like, you would think that they're at similar life stages. So people are sort of pointing that out.
B
And I just want to say, like, I'm not taking up for anyone in this situation. Like, I don't feel we have no stake. Everyone's done some wrong. And I don't even know necessarily that, like, I would enjoy this mom group either. Maybe I would find them to be toxic, but I wouldn't write two articles about it and cause them to, you know, dislike me even further.
A
It's always interesting when somebody really, like, strategically tries to do something PR wise and it flips on them so completely. Reminds me a lot of, like, when Joe Jonas and Sophie Turner got married. Like, I mean, excuse me, got divorced. I feel like he tried to do something and it ended up really flipping.
B
Yeah. A little different because he, like, tried to do it, like, covertly, so we can't even. Yeah.
A
Ashley was so obvious.
B
He didn't leave his fingerprints on it.
A
We just assumed.
B
But yeah. Yeah.
A
Weenie. Oh, no, that was weenie. Queenie, do you want to go first or second?
B
My queenie. I'll go second.
A
Okay. My queenie. I feel like I've made her my queening so many times, but it just cannot be, like, like overstated how much joy Alex Earl continues to bring to me as a woman in media. And also, she's like, drop dropping hints that she's launching something.
B
Oh, what do you think? Give a PR prediction.
A
So she said she's launching her company. She just said a company. She said that a couple of weeks ago. And then she posted on her Instagram a picture of her doing a photo shoot, which we're being led to believe is for the company she's wearing like, little to no makeup. And I'm just putting it out there. I believe it's a skincare company and I think everybody pretty much thinks that. That because she's, like, you know, vulnerable about her skin, she shares a lot, and she's made so many things go, like, hella viral. Do you know what Medicube is?
B
No.
A
Okay. I didn't know about it either. It's now the biggest, number one selling skincare brand on Tick tock. And her facialist had recommended it to her. These wipes, like, these pads cleared up her skin. She's very influential in the skincare space for young women. So I do believe, like, an Alex Earl skin care line is coming. I don't know what it's going to.
B
Be called, but I like that it.
A
Feels like road, but yes, exactly. Sorry. And she's my queenie, obviously, because of, like, her behavior over New Year's. It's a little bit delayed, but I couldn't let the week go by without honoring her with that title.
B
And we did discuss it this week. Yeah, my Queenie of the week. Always a queenie. Was Queenie. Like, this week, a lot of queenies. This week, a lot of queens. Kylie. Kylie at the Critics Choice Awards.
A
Wait, I'm so glad you brought that up.
B
Timothy may be my queenie for acknowledging his partner of three years who's given this. This, him this foundation and who he loves. But Kylie for being his partner three years, who's given him that foundation that he loves.
A
Also, quickly, honorable mention for Weenie Minji.
B
Oh, I kind of like that better. I don't know why I don't feel inclined to pile onto Ashley Tisdale. Like, I think that you should leave your toxic friend group and never and.
A
Just go and just shut up.
B
They should never see you again. We should never know about it. Like, but I'm not, like, so fervent in my dislike. Like, there was weenie like, behavior exhibited.
A
So you want to change your Amanda C for you?
B
I think I do. I. Because I feel like the weeniness is consistent. It's overt. It's troll like behavior. It's more nefarious. Whereas Ashley tissue, like, I don't know, something about it makes me sad.
A
Yeah, that's fair. I'm really glad you brought up Kylie because I needed to say something and I feel like I can't believe people haven't said this. I see it happen a lot with celebrities who own brands, and I've seen it with Kylie a couple of times. You know, she makes her quarterly tick tock promoting the brand. And you know there are allegations like, you don't use your own products, whatever. And she's like, here's my five step lip combo. And she did like this insane lip combo. It actually looked amazing. And it was like, well, she obviously knows her own products. She's opening the products and every single one of them is in the box. Like it's a new one. And I think this happens a lot with people who are just making promotional content for their brands. With celebrities a lot we get like, Haley, like, you don't use road and it's like, well, every time she uses road, it's like she's squeezing that lip peptide all the way out because she's used it so much. I feel like I've never thought that she doesn't use road. Kylie open. Opened every single brand new.
B
Where was it filmed?
A
In her car.
B
Car is where you have used goods. I was thinking like, if it's in her office, maybe she just like grabbed new ones. I'm gonna film this video.
A
No, I need celebrities to. If they're making content with their own stuff. I notice it a lot.
B
Do you think she wanted to show us the packaging?
A
No, because it was like off camera she was just like, and this is the lip liner. But she's like taking it out of the box. Like, well, if you love it so much, why is it still in the box?
B
Well, no, I think she does love it, but she probably grabbed a new one like it. She probably. There's probably a, a good reason why she did it. She do that off camera, uses it. But yeah, it should feel more authentic. Yeah, Authenticity is the name of the.
A
Game to the social media managers. The brand managers for celebrity owned brands make sure that you're like, but maybe.
B
She'S authentic in the fact that like I pretty much use a new one every time.
A
Yeah, just like squeeze out half the bottle so it looks like you're using the face wash. You know, even if.
B
You are using the face washing, you just, just did this because it's. Of course.
A
And we're on set.
B
Let's say we're on set. It's a set and part of the act is that you use it often.
A
I'm surprised, like, social media users aren't more discerning. I see it a lot. I'm like, girl, throw the box away. We're on to you. And I do feel like Kylie uses a lot of her own products. I do, I do.
B
They're great products.
A
They are good. But like, you Know, people often think.
B
I'm wearing a bit of Kylie today on my lip, I, like, cobbled together three different lip liners because none of them were sharpened. And this is.
A
I have a sharpener here.
B
I found a sharpener in my drawer. My life has changed.
A
That's our show.
B
That is our show. You know what? I have metered parking today, so I've actually gotta go. Oh, wow. So even if you wanted us to, like, dilly dally for the sake of it, Robocop is gonna get me. I've never used a meter before. Very yucky experience.
A
I know you're not chronically online, so I do want to tell you that metered parking is actually, like, it's got phobic. I don't know if you know that.
B
Tell me everything. I actually. I feel that, you know, you feed.
A
The meter, and when the meter is running out, it says, I'm hungry. Okay, so that's like fat phobic language. Kind of how, like, you can't use a manhole. It's a person hole or whatever.
B
Skinny people get fed and hungry as well. I thought it was fat phobic because you have to walk and find one.
A
What if people can't walk? Fat phobic.
B
No, it's like.
A
But what. What. What about walking? Fat people can too.
B
It's just like. Like exercise.
A
Like, it's that people exercise.
B
It's just harder.
A
Fat phobic language. I don't appreciate that.
B
I think what you said, that feed me, I'm angry, is fat phobic.
A
That's not real, is it 100% real?
B
Well, I'm with you guys. I think we should end metered parking. I did it today. I did not enjoy the experience. They don't take Apple Pay. I had to put my credit card in. It was wet. It was wet inside. My car came out wet.
A
It probably rain, but okay.
B
Yucky.
A
That really is gross. Where'd you wipe it?
B
Like, I put it back in my wallet.
A
Okay, like in your Chanel wallet. Why not just wipe it on your Amazon set? Hermes that you're not wearing an air maze.
B
But thank you for thinking my wallet's Hermes.
A
Oh, is that the one I got for you for your birthday?
B
No, it's the one I got for myself that I, like, couldn't stop telling you about. Should I show everyone?
A
No.
B
Okay.
A
It's really, like, in this economy, Jackie, people can't afford rent. That's like, what everybody says when they don't like your TikTok. They're like, I literally can't afford five.
B
Groceries would be excited for me. I haven't bought myself a new one. New wallet in 10 years. I loved my old one. It was just like a little pocket. But my lifestyle has changed since becoming like a mother, and I just have more things. So I was really excited. Like, it was a point of pride that I bought myself a new wallet.
A
But people can't afford to buy groceries, so you should kill yourself. That's literally what people say on TikTok. Like, I. I mean, I literally can't afford to afford to buy groceries. So it's like, what this has to do with, like, this girl's forever 21 haul. Like, it's just the comment people say now.
B
It's sort of like Wendy's.
A
Yeah, it's like Bean soup theory. That's what they call. Call it.
B
Okay, tell me.
A
Bean soup theory is like, I'm making a video about how I love bean soup. And it's like, well, I can't eat beans. It's like, well, okay, we don't give a. It's like, what about me isms? It's like, that's the culture now. It's bean soup theory. That's. I mean, I can't afford to buy groceries, but I'm happy that you took a trip to Hawaii.
B
So we shouldn't talk about our RV trip?
A
No. Yeah, you can't talk about anything because, you know, someone. Someone somewhere is suffering.
B
Yeah. So I guess we can't talk.
A
Talk.
B
I have to end the show. The meter is up.
A
Thank you guys so much for listening to the Just the Line morning show. We deal the fast five stories in each and every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So watching us on YouTube, please stop this video. Thumbs up also available. Podcast Podcast. Spotify Public places podcast about a beautiful about a. Sounding about how wickedly talented we are.
B
Love you. Bye. Leave a message.
The Toast – "Rumors and Nastiness": Friday, January 9th, 2025
Hosts: Jackie & Claudia Oshry
Published: January 9, 2026
This episode of "The Toast" is a classic Friday catch-up, brimming with the duo’s signature mix of pop culture tea, sisterly banter, and lively audience engagement. Jackie and Claudia discuss everything from heartbreaking documentaries and viral celebrity drama to changes in their book club podcast, reflect on internet rumors, and dive into the week's pop culture headlines. The episode is titled "Rumors and Nastiness," a nod to both Real Housewives lore and the recent wave of online rumors and listener feedback directed at the hosts.
"It was the first documentary I've ever seen without any interviews...it was comprised of police body camera footage." – Claudia [01:24]
"She was seriously one of a kind." – Jackie [04:35]
"The amount of ads we had ran about 7 minutes and 30 seconds. And that's actually not 30%, it's about 15. Actually, I think it's 12." – Claudia [11:51]
"You think you and Miley...there are some artists who you should sing their songs, because you have this...you're in the same key." – Jackie [15:45]
[Segment Intro ~20:48]
"When you already don't like someone, you find fault in everything they post..." – Jackie [26:45]
"He just also is, like, an abuser. Holding space for two truths." – Claudia [32:41]
"At this point in my life, I'd be out if I was." – Kendall Jenner (as paraphrased by Jackie) [50:49]
On Book Adaptations:
"I miss the days where books were, like, very rarely adapted into movies and TV shows. Now it's, like, the only films...it's just not good." – Claudia [05:29]
On Internet Critique:
"I just didn't appreciate, like, people coming for my bag. So I'm always mindful of it. You don't need to be." – Claudia [11:28]
"If you wanna come for ads to content ratio, like, you can't start with us." – Jackie [13:10]
On Sister Dynamics and Fame:
"When you're not shy, there's so much pressure on you...Dance, monkey, dance!" – Claudia [17:07]
"I've become, like, a little bit more closed off...Fame is toxic. It's not toxic, but it's very hard to operate." – Claudia [18:22]
On Shabbat RV Planning:
"We walked around the town wondering what to do, 'cause Shabbos is no time to be feeling blue..." (Claudia singing "Minyan Man") [38:44]
On Celebrity Brand Promotion:
"If they're making content with their own stuff...throw the box away. We're on to you. And I do feel like Kylie uses a lot of her own products." – Claudia [61:44]
[Segment begins: 56:27]
"She wanted attention, and she got it." – Jackie [57:16]
As ever, the episode is a mix of sharp pop culture insight, playful teasing between sisters, callback humor, and warm encouragement to listeners (“Protect your peace!” and “It’s never too late to become a Redhead!”). The fast-paced banter and inside jokes cater to loyal listeners while serving up just enough context for new ones. Far from shying away from criticism, the hosts confront it head-on, blending transparency with comedy and a dash of self-aware shade.
This episode is quintessential Toast: a blend of real-time commentary on internet culture and celebrity rumors, meta-reflection on podcasting itself, and the sisters’ ever-evolving personal/professional lives. Whether you’re here for the book talk, the Real Housewives references, the Kardashian tea, or just to laugh at an RV trip that’ll never happen, "Rumors and Nastiness" captures all the chaos and charm Toast listeners expect.
For more, catch the full Fast Five stories and Queenie/Weenie awards between 20:48 and the episode’s end!